There's a big hullabaloo about this Christmas song being banned by certain radio stations. This is only the latest in a very, very long list of things that are/have been censored. Is it partly due to me being an old grumpy fucker or has the world finally gone mad? Historical statues being knocked, , certain movies not being screened any more, fear of even speaking out with any sort of more traditional opinions.... Where does it end?
Any of this overly PC nonsense boil yer bloods or is it just me?
No, boils my blood too. I hate censorship when it comes to art and especially hate retrospective censorship like this. A piece of art or a song is a great glimpse into the past, whether those attitudes are right or wrong now is irrelevant in my opinion.
Are we going to go after HP Lovecraft for example? Shakespeare? Is Robinson Crusoe a racist book? Why isn't there a version of the Bible that caters for non binary communities? Literally the world can fuck off. There's a generation out there waiting to be offended.
Exactly! Art is of its time and whatever way it can be interpreted now should be considered completely irrelevant. In some state in America this year they put an end to an annual screening of Gone With The Wind. Now, the film isn't to my taste but it's regarded as a classic. Blazing Saddles will be next.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on December 05, 2018, 04:48:35 PM
Are we going to go after HP Lovecraft for example?
As horrible as it is, I can't help but laugh every time I see the name of his cat
It drives me nuts as well, and I thoroughly enjoy people like Owen Shroyer, Paul Joseph Watson, Gavin McInnes and pals eviscerating the absurd censorship and protest culture that seems to be swamping the west, as far as the highest echelons of society. Being masculine, having conservative opinions, even who or what you vote for is now under intense scrutiny, to the point of intimidation and 'shaming'.
Could you imagine anything from pulling Christmas songs to free pass immigration policies, or even the bullshit about Trump existing even ten years ago? This 'lemon', Don Lemon on CNN, for example. This fucker can't report on anything without inserting 'institutional racism' or 'rape culture' (whatever that means) into the discussion. And he's one of the lead anchors! The sad thing is, people lap this cunt up.
I don't envy university students with the capacity for critical thinking, must be a grim existence.
We are talking about a handful of radio stations out of thousands upon thousands. It's not news worthy in the slightest but with the interwebs nowadays we are exposed to a constant stream of nonsense. Of course it's an over-reaction and it's hilariously absurd but do we really need to highlight every little PC upset that happens?
I'd argue it's pure click-bait and most online media outlets will push this insignificant "news" to maximise traffic to their sites because they know it gets everyone riled up.
(https://i.imgur.com/hKcL3oN.png)
If you click into links like that, you are just as much as a fool as the ones demanding these songs to be removed.
Just don't let them hear the first line of little drummer boy :laugh:
Quote from: The Butcher on December 05, 2018, 05:14:23 PM
We are talking about a handful of radio stations out of thousands upon thousands. It's not news worthy in the slightest but with the interwebs nowadays we are exposed to a constant stream of nonsense. Of course it's an over-reaction and it's hilariously absurd but do we really need to highlight every little PC upset that happens?
Yes, we probably do need to highlight it. By letting the whingers censor all around them is the only thing absurd imo.
What about historical statues being destroyed or removed from public?
What about movies being banned?
Wasn't there something recently about some kids books being banned. Something as innocent as fuckin Enid Blyton or some such.
Books being banned!!! Fairly sure that features prominently is lots of sci-fi dystopia novels.
So, yes, I think it's very important to highlight the actions of the mentally handicapped, which is being allowed to happen .
This is one of the biggest problems of social media coming into fruition. It gives people who shouldn't be listened to a global platform to shout 'racist' at anyone who disagrees with them. All well and good until folks start to discuss this nonsense in a serious fashion and give airtime and further exposure to it.
Seen a thing on Facebook recently where an entity has suddenly decided they are non binary or gender fluid and went bat shit crazy when their university issued their student card and had them marked as female! To be fair to the college they said they'd look into it, but they posted it as an outrage all the same.
If that's how you identify yourself that's fine, just give the world a fucking minute to catch up would you? Instead of waiting for the fight or argument at every juncture.
I'm in, lads. I fucking detest this super PC shit. It is an unfortunate side effect of everybody having their thoughts on public display.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jerry-seinfeld-political-correctness-will-800912 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jerry-seinfeld-political-correctness-will-800912)
Avoid tabloid journalism and things fall back into their proper perspective pretty quick. The latest one was the enormous media storm about what the HSE was supposedly introducing re banning its staff from using pet names when addressing patients. Ran like wildfire through the Irish media, no one seemingly bothered by the "According to the Daily Mail..." sentence in most of the articles, until finally someone who actually knows what a "primary source" is decided to have a look:
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-pet-names-hosital-4374213-Dec2018/
So, what really gets my goat is folk who seem to dedicate most of their social media energy to sharing these tabloid reported non-stories only in order to express their indignation about them. It's absolutely retarded.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 06, 2018, 09:34:38 AM
Avoid tabloid journalism
This. Whether in print or on screen, purging tabloid sewage from your life is fundamental to mental health. The distorted World view portrayed by the cunts has a tenuous grip on reality, at best. The political chaos engulfing Western democracies should be more alarming than someone who gets upset over the sign on a toilet door, yet they seem to command disproportional amounts of screen time in relation to their respective potential impacts.
It's
almost as if all this nonsense was a convenient distraction.
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 05, 2018, 06:19:30 PM
Wasn't there something recently about some kids books being banned. Something as innocent as fuckin Enid Blyton or some such.
Books being banned!!! Fairly sure that features prominently is lots of sci-fi dystopia novels.
So, based on something that maybe happened, we don't know where or in what context because there's no source given, you're pushed to using three exclamation marks and comparing to dystopian sci-fi novels. Noise, so much noise.
The state of modern journalism is absolutely atrocious. There are people out there writing great stuff but they're getting harder and harder to find when "news" articles consists of collecting what a few people wrote on Twitter. It's pure content over quality
Quote from: Trev on December 06, 2018, 10:20:29 AM
The state of modern journalism is absolutely atrocious. There are people out there writing great stuff but they're getting harder and harder to find when "news" articles consists of collecting what a few people wrote on Twitter. It's pure content over quality
Absolutely. The Twitter thing is a massive peeve of mine. Twitter is fine but it has no place embedded in news. That slyly plants the seed that an uninformed opinion is as valid as that of an expert, diluting the value placed on insight and accuracy, that it doesn't matter what opinion you get, once you get an opinion.
Quote from: Juggz on December 06, 2018, 10:07:50 AM
It's almost as if all this nonsense was a convenient distraction.
Well said, Juggz
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 06, 2018, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 05, 2018, 06:19:30 PM
Wasn't there something recently about some kids books being banned. Something as innocent as fuckin Enid Blyton or some such.
Books being banned!!! Fairly sure that features prominently is lots of sci-fi dystopia novels.
So, based on something that maybe happened, we don't know where or in what context because there's no source given, you're pushed to using three exclamation marks and comparing to dystopian sci-fi novels. Noise, so much noise.
I'm not submitting a thesis, so go on out of it with going to the effort of sourcing it. You also state that it'd be 'absolutely retarded' if I was to put up a link to it.
And surely a man as supposedly learned as you, would take issue with books etc being banned?
Supposedly indeed.
Anyway, I don't think putting one's head in the sand is the right thing to do. And it's not all tabloid stuff. At least I don't think so. Today FM and newstalk, while maybe not to everyone's taste, are surely above that level, and this has more than permeated into their content. So it's clearly something prevalent.
Of course I'm against books being banned. But if some random primary school in Something-shire, UK or Whatever County, US decides to ban some books (something which has been happening since time immemorial), I'm not going to bemoan the decline of western civilization over it, despite how desperately the tabloid reporting it wants me to.
Newstalk reported that HSE story exactly as reported (in the most skewed way imaginable) by the Daily Mail. If no "primary source" is given with a story, that story ain't worth shit. The primary source in the HSE story, for example, being the actual 112 page report the half a sentence the tabloids decided to twist for profit appeared in.
"According to the Daily Mail, pet names like 'dear', 'love', 'girls' and 'lads' are to be banned on wards - with patients only to be referred to by their first name."
https://www.newstalk.com/HSE-rolling-out-new-guidelines-to-prevent-pet-names-for-patients
And just to insist on it, now compare to the primary source:
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-pet-names-hosital-4374213-Dec2018/
Look, I'm no fan of the media so I'm not even going down that route. That's a different argument altogether to what I'm complaining about.
The point I'm talking about is the censorship of art. Now, that term can be used loosely when referring to that shitty Christmas song but how long til Fairytale in New York is banned. I'd argue it should have been banned years ago for being so annoying but I digress.
If songs are being taken off the radio, that's a symptom of the larger issue. What next?
After your last post I did a quick Google of banned books. I didn't have time to read an article but there was a list which includes Catcher in the Rye, The Great Gatsby, To Catch a Mockingbird. Now these may or may not be banned anywhere but my point is, are these books safe in the future?
I'd argue that ignoring the problem now could be detrimental in the future.
We live in a time where Apu is being written out of The Simpsons for being a "racist stereotype" :(
It's all gone a bit National Enquirer these days. A real pain to have to meticulously source and fact check everything we see hear or read.
I don't watch the news, I only read the sport in the papers and I stay a mile away from 99% of websites.
I question the real motivation behind any news that I do happen to come across but it is tiring, and that is why I spend my time on music forums.
:'(
The Apu thing..Different thing surely? There's a gulf of difference between a large racial group taking issue with their portrayal because it reinforces a stereotype and some confusion over what sign to put on a bathroom door. I'd be fairly fucking offended if one of the main characters in a TV show for 25 years was a thick Irish alcoholic.
I really don't want to get into this discussion because any time we have it things go south quickly - I'm left leaning but do kind of get the "people are far too over sensitive" thing some of you are getting at.. but I do think it's hilarious that the ultra right wing/edgelord/Gavin McInnes brigade are just as easily offended when people see them as a bunch of cunts.
Fanaticism and intolerance on either extreme does noone any favours.
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2018, 11:47:00 AM
I'd argue that ignoring the problem now could be detrimental in the future.
It's already detrimental. The concept of physical ownership of anything is vanishing, spurned for the instant fix of streaming. It's handing the ability for instand cencorship to the media companies who control what they make available to their customers. When you can't source a physical book or CD or DVD anymore, are you really going to trust Spotify or Netflix or Amazon or Youtube/Google to remain impartial and permit content which their owners find objectionable? We can't send enough of our data into their clouds quick enough. The digital age will make censorship easier than ever in an era when it has never been easier to directly access and manipulate people at an individual level. Create outrage/remove content. Easy peasy.
But it's not even happening on a grand scale or across multiple countries, you'd swear a vast majority were banning these books/songs etc left right and centre! That's not the reality. Plus you can never fully censor something, especially with the internet age so I'd argue these books/songs are safe in the future. Don't be caught up in the internet whirlwind. There's a balance to be had but unfortunately media sinks to the lowest common denominator and highlights the extremes for the masses to feed the beast. The example there is perfect, Newstalk quoting Daily Mail, shows how desperate they are to get a piece of the click-bait market.
I couldn't give a fiddles what songs are banned by an insignificant ultra liberal radio station, same goes for a ultra right Christian US radio station.
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2018, 11:47:00 AM
Look, I'm no fan of the media so I'm not even going down that route. That's a different argument altogether to what I'm complaining about.
The point I'm talking about is the censorship of art.
There is a polarization of positions underway. It would be an unjustified exaggeration to say that the media are orchestrating this, but at the very least they are intentionally feeding it in order to cash in on it. I'm not suggesting anyone go to the hassle of checking the primary sources for all stories. But we can at least check to see if a story links to one or even quotes directly from one. That whole HSE thing, not a single quote from the report in the Daily Mail article, and yet it was cited as a source by dozens of other "news" sites. I've seen this over and over again from media sources in Ireland, the UK, the US, France, and others.
Anyone who fears an increase in censorship is a prime click-bait target for any story exaggerating tales of censorship. On the whole, there is nothing to worry about for those books or for x, y, z album or movie or whatever else. In the immediate, there are real things to worry about, things that endanger the future of all books and all their writers and all their readers in a much more definitive manner. And, strangely, the voices harping on about censorship are very often those downplaying the more concrete problems of resource availability and resource purity (including in that the water we drink and air we breathe).
No story which panders to the market-research-identified biases of its readership can be trusted, whether that be in The Sun or The Guardian or wherever. Pandering of that type should be the very definition of "tabloid". So maybe political correctness is going mad. But on the other hand, the political class has already gone completely fucking bonkers and is taking the planet with them in order to pander to their financial backers... many of whom are major share-holders in the media.
Quote from: Juggz on December 06, 2018, 12:17:06 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2018, 11:47:00 AM
I'd argue that ignoring the problem now could be detrimental in the future.
It's already detrimental. The concept of physical ownership of anything is vanishing, spurned for the instant fix of streaming. It's handing the ability for instand cencorship to the media companies who control what they make available to their customers. When you can't source a physical book or CD or DVD anymore, are you really going to trust Spotify or Netflix or Amazon or Youtube/Google to remain impartial and permit content which their owners find objectionable? We can't send enough of our data into their clouds quick enough. The digital age will make censorship easier than ever in an era when it has never been easier to directly access and manipulate people at an individual level. Create outrage/remove content. Easy peasy.
This is also a good point. Thankfully, I think hackers will always be one step ahead when it comes to free distribution of content - they always have been (for better or worse). It will remain up to the individual to decide whether they want to dig a little deeper to get at something that hasn't been pre-filtered for maximum bingeability/viewer etherization.
Quote from: The Butcher on December 06, 2018, 12:24:20 PM
I couldn't give a fiddles what songs are banned by an insignificant ultra liberal radio station, same goes for a ultra right Christian US radio station.
1. I fully agree.
2. Is it outside the bounds of possibility that it could happen on mainstream radio?
3. At what stage do you think censorship has gone too far? If at all.
Interesting to be reminded in the film Bohemian Rhapsody that the video to "I Want To Break Free" was banned on MTV back in the 80s, supposedly because it was perceived as promoting transvestism. We all seem to have survived and then recovered from the Tipper Gore years, the Mary Whitehouse years, etc., just fine though. There'll always be someone complaining about something, and always others pushing back against their complaints. I don't think there's any need for those not actively engaged in the pushing or pulling to be losing their shit over it like it's the end of freedom as we know it. Is there?
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2018, 01:15:14 PM
2. Is it outside the bounds of possibility that it could happen on mainstream radio?
Sure weren't we talking about RTE doing this to Deicide years ago recently? Similarly many of us are no doubt old enough to remember "Relax" by Frankie go to Hollywood being banned from radio and TV because it was explicitly about gay sex and that didn't stop it going to number 1 at the time
Ya, totally valid points in the last coupla posts. Maybe I'm being paranoid. I just think it feels different in this environment.
I do think a lot of percieved outrage at either end of the spectrum is made worse by tabloid media coverage, and agree with a lot of the sentiment in this thread, not going to reiterate it but the points on the move to streaming vs. censorship are interesting and what classes itself as news. I would consider myself fairly left leaning but again this is based on an americanised two-tier scale being foisted on us by every fucking media source online. I am anti-censorship of art 100% but then you get people creating art purely as a reaction to that, which is interesting but goes into being offensive for it's own sake. And then on into Poe's law and nobody can tell what's ironic art or someone's genuine personal belief anymore.
Tangentially related but:
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2018, 11:15:33 AM
Anyway, I don't think putting one's head in the sand is the right thing to do. And it's not all tabloid stuff. At least I don't think so. Today FM and newstalk, while maybe not to everyone's taste, are surely above that level, and this has more than permeated into their content. So it's clearly something prevalent.
I always assumed they would talk about anything that will hold a consumer's interest to have higher numbers for advertisers, and this topic is proven, through easily gathered online stats, to keep people engaged. People love arguing about their morality and there's a clique nature to the whole thing so the news on it is easily attractive to people. Pour out stories and opinion on it, keep people arguing/engaged, sell the figures to advertisers. I'm sure the hosts on the radio feel they are doing something different but no matter what way you look at it, that's how it falls.
I mean everyone in this thread surely knows that no media can be trusted at face value, and the prevalence of debate on this in general is purely because outrage sells no matter what "side" you're on.
Gavin McInnes is hardly an 'extremist'. I enjoy the man on YouTube, even though some of the guff he comes out with is trolling in its base form.
Farcisist rather than fanatic I'd have thought.
I'm right leaning, but one criticism of the beacon bearers on that 'side', i.e you tubers like McInnes or Steven Crowder, as far as Tucker Carlson in Fox News, they never or almost never pit their wits against anyone who is even close to being their intellectual equal. The Tucker Carlson show researchers in particular find the most idiotic rhetoriticians from the left to be disemboweled on live TV.
Mighty entertaining all the same.
There is a thread on the NWN forum listing various right leaning BM labels that have been blocked by PayPal. Most of the labels I'd never even heard of so I can imagine the massive impact their records' messages must be having on youth culture, hehe. It's cuntish, though, as Darker Than Black are black listed and they are one of the strongest labels for proper anti-social black metal around. I don't like the idea of having Big Brother deciding what bands/books/art is safe for me to be exposed to. On the other hand, perhaps driving underground forms of culture back underground will have unforseen positive implications for the future of the artform?
Sure this is it. Won't they be only too happy to have to go back to selling cassettes in exchange for unused stamps sent through the post in well-worn envelopes!
Could be fun to tape trade!
Check out stephen Byrnes tweets regarding Fairytale Of New York. How can someone feel "that" hurt over the use of a word. Really is scary how people get triggered now.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on December 06, 2018, 12:08:44 PM
. I'd be fairly fucking offended if one of the main characters in a TV show for 25 years was a thick Irish alcoholic.
:laugh: seriously?
thats what the majority of us are.
How many years was Jim McDonald in Coronation Street? :P
I remember a video popping up on youtube and it was a young people going back and looking at old television show and being offended by jokes in them. One show was Friends.
People go out of their way to find things to get offended over, they want to be offended.
I stopped using Facebook a few months ago and all that stuff has magically disappeared off my radar. Online outrage is pointless and meaningless and not worth getting worked up about, I've realised. The real world tends to be more of a rational place in which to operate.
It's like a Tommy Tiernan joke where he was saying "I was watching the news and they were saying AAAAH THE WORLD IS FUCKED THE WORLD IS FUCKED", then I went outside and saw everything was okay, it wasn't fucked.
Regarding the xmas songs people got offended by.. I'm surprised one in particular wasn't flagged
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
Just like the ones I used to know..
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QuarrelsomeLoneCollie-poster.jpg)
Aul Liam Neeson in a spot of bother!
For acknowledging he had racist thoughts in a moment of stress and felt ashamed of them subsequently. Are they upset he felt ashamed? Have we gone full circle yet?
Totally bizarre thing to come out with in an interview in fairness, but I think that in context of what he was saying it made a sort of sense. But that's just handing the twitterati a stick to beat you with ::)
Quote from: Juggz on February 05, 2019, 06:18:18 PM
For acknowledging he had racist thoughts in a moment of stress and felt ashamed of them subsequently. Are they upset he felt ashamed? Have we gone full circle yet?
They have their one line and that's all they need.. public apologies will be needed, retweets of said apology, a movie about how an Irish man and a black man overcome their differences and become besties etc
The journalist who wrote the article didn't do it for revenue stream though... she just had to get the truth out there as accurately as possible. That's what she says anyway and it being the number one clickbait of the week is purely coincidental :laugh:
Not quite PC, but what the actual fuck is the world coming to?
http://www.ladbible.com/community/weird-man-wants-to-sue-his-parents-for-giving-birth-to-him-without-consent-20190204?fbclid=IwAR16idbpLid3oRui3O1P3c0qc7xaEEC1dxlDWQMiVmOFwgGDdTMEpZ6W9NA
Never too late for them to go at him with a coathanger
Quote from: Wiseblood on February 05, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
Never too late for them to go at him with a coathanger
The governor of Virginia shares your views. :)
Quote from: Wiseblood on February 05, 2019, 07:26:29 PM
The journalist who wrote the article didn't do it for revenue stream though... she just had to get the truth out there as accurately as possible. That's what she says anyway and it being the number one clickbait of the week is purely coincidental :laugh:
Well, it's not like she forced him to come out with an unprecedented admission at this late stage in his career, is it? :/
The response to it really does show how the constant flow and availability of "information" really has done absolutely fucking nothing in terms of helping people grasp the notion of context.
I really think religion left too fast. When someone transgresses these days it illicits the same level of vitriol as someone who went against the church in the 50s. People created an arbitrary set of values and now follow them with the same conviction.
It's an artifact of our religious indoctrination, sure, but it extends beyond that into how kids are taught almost everything. There is no place really for rational thought in formal education, there never has been. Otherwise you wouldn't get young lads willing to climb out of trenches certain to catch a bullet, strap on a suicide bomb or the means to manipulate people to vote against their own interests. When everyone is up-in-arms over a couple of inflammatory sentences, it's much easier to also be up-in-arms than to make the effort to do some further research and understand that which you're supposed to be against. When constant outrage over inconsequential fluff is a constant and repeating part of your day, it allows for greater crimes to be overlooked and handily forgotten, this isn't lost on those who don't want you thinking too hard.
Quote from: Juggz on February 07, 2019, 08:21:54 AM
It's an artifact of our religious indoctrination, sure, but it extends beyond that into how kids are taught almost everything. There is no place really for rational thought in formal education, there never has been.
They have copped on to some of the things religious organisations knew for centuries. Get involved in education (younger the better) because people are less likely to buy your bullshit later in life. Make sure you have a good handle on the press, check. Get entwined with the state, yes again. Thoughts counting as much as actions reminds me a lot of the notion of sin. The Liam Neeson thing is an example of that. Having shitty thoughts right after your friend got raped is not the same as acting those thoughts out and kicking lumps out of someone for being black.
The whole Liam Neeson furore has been depressingly predictable. He's guilty of articulating (perhaps not particularly well) some fairly normal thoughts that we all have in reaction to extreme situations. It does however qualify as a massive brain fart, and you would have imagined that someone in the public eye might be a tad more astute in their commentary, or at least anticipated the inevitable backlash.
He should have kept it to himself for his own sake, but we're getting closer and closer to a 'two minutes of hate' scenario the way that things are going.
Comedy is being gelded, social media is a career killer for high profile people with a deviant (read conservative) opinion and nauseating overgrown adolescents like Owen Jones and his sickening Guardian column calling anyone he disagrees with a 'nazi'. Better off just staying indoors with some tunes, a pot noodle and a wank lads.
Jeremy Clarkson's response to nonsensical accusations of homophobia was priceless "I'm not homophobic, I enjoy watching lesbians on the internet".
I remember being a young kid and telling jokes at school in the 80s like why do Jews have big noses? Cause air is free. Or how can you spot a Jews house? Toilet paper on the washing line.
Tell them now, you'd be arrested. Granted there's not many Jewish people in norn iron. Suppose could just replace Jew with Scott or Ballymena man.
My memory is hearing the jokes before ever knowing of the supposed reputation of Jews for being misers, since - precisely - it was pretty much alien to Irish culture at the time. I heard about the Scots' reputation for stinginess but don't remember hearing jokes of the same kind about them.
The point being, the Jew jokes couldn't be funny unless someone took the pains to first explain to you that Jews had this supposed miser reputation. Bit of a definition of how unfounded prejudices spread for you there.
But yeah, a crying shame you wouldn't get away with such quality humour these days! :/
In fairness, I laughed out loud on a train platform reading them. We had tonnes of them in school, there were jokes about everyone, religion, skin colour, mothers, fathers, sisters, nationality, nothing was safe. Just stupid dumb shit that I'm sure repeated in every schoolyard throughout the world except with a difference in the butt of the joke. The amount of Paddy jokes we haven't been privy to, I'm sure, is monumental. Is it better to just be blasé about it or are they as sinister as some would lead us to believe? Or is it simply human nature? God knows, I'm sure a debate on it would end up going around in circles.
Well, when we were in primary school, minorities were pretty much non-existent, but jokes about Jews, Ethiopians, blacks in general, etc., trickled down to kids from adults who, presumably, got them from Roy Chubby Brown or similar. Today, in Ireland, minorities are much more visible and, well, so is genuine racism among our generation. Is that causal or is it a correlation? Who knows, but it is what it is.
Just riffing on memories of hearing and re-telling those kind of jokes... a part of childhood I haven't thought about in a very long time! It would have made more sense if we'd been telling jokes about people from Bray. Missed opportunity! But yeah, wouldn't want to be arresting anyone or suspending kids from school over it, but hopefully more of today's kids get a broader cultural perspective so they're able to contextualize jokes as just that; jokes.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 12, 2019, 05:23:11 PMbut hopefully more of today's kids get a broader cultural perspective so they're able to contextualize jokes as just that; jokes.
That's a whole lot of hopeful tbh :-\
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 12, 2019, 01:20:33 PM
I remember being a young kid and telling jokes at school in the 80s like why do Jews have big noses? Cause air is free. Or how can you spot a Jews house? Toilet paper on the washing line.
Tell them now, you'd be arrested. Granted there's not many Jewish people in norn iron. Suppose could just replace Jew with Scott or Ballymena man.
Change it to Cavan people, you'll be fine.
Cavan man rings up the Anglo-Celt to ask about putting a death notice in. Guy tells him it's a tenner per word. He thinks about it and tells the other guy to put in 'Mary Duffy's dead"
The guy at the Celt, not being from Cavan's a bit shocked about this, and says to him, "You can't do something that short, tell you what, I'll give you an extra three words for free."
Cavan man thinks about this and replies "Mary Duffy's dead. Hay for sale."
I don't think kids these days go in for it, it was definitely so much more accepted and 'in the air' when we were young. We didn't even think of it in terms of acceptable or not. The only difference in the South was that one Protestant kid that you had in class..he'd suddenly dissapear when it came time for religion class. I remember we saw a black man in Drogheda when we were very young, we nearly jumped out of the car to have a closer look. Life is massively different now.
Cavan man calls the guards. 'My house has been broken into officer. They went into me living room and fleeced the place, television, sofa, everything gone. Then they musta gone upstairs, took me bedside lamp and the bed. And to make matters worse, I had a grand stew simmering in the kitchen and one of the durty cunts took a shite in the pot. I had to throw the half of it out..'
The auld lad used to tell jokes about the Scots when I was a chap, one quality one I can remember -
'Why do double glazed windows sell so well in Scotland?'
'So the kids can't hear the ice cream van'
Racist bastards
How does every good racist joke start?
With a look over each shoulder.
Quote from: Pedrito on February 12, 2019, 08:52:30 PM
I don't think kids these days go in for it, it was definitely so much more accepted and 'in the air' when we were young. We didn't even think of it in terms of acceptable or not. The only difference in the South was that one Protestant kid that you had in class..he'd suddenly dissapear when it came time for religion class. I remember we saw a black man in Drogheda when we were very young, we nearly jumped out of the car to have a closer look. Life is massively different now.
Cavan man calls the guards. 'My house has been broken into officer. They went into me living room and fleeced the place, television, sofa, everything gone. Then they musta gone upstairs, took me bedside lamp and the bed. And to make matters worse, I had a grand stew simmering in the kitchen and one of the durty cunts took a shite in the pot. I had to throw the half of it out..'
Maybe they've just realised that,completely aside from any race element, these jokes are just shite anyway?
Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 13, 2019, 09:19:50 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on February 12, 2019, 08:52:30 PM
I don't think kids these days go in for it, it was definitely so much more accepted and 'in the air' when we were young. We didn't even think of it in terms of acceptable or not. The only difference in the South was that one Protestant kid that you had in class..he'd suddenly dissapear when it came time for religion class. I remember we saw a black man in Drogheda when we were very young, we nearly jumped out of the car to have a closer look. Life is massively different now.
Cavan man calls the guards. 'My house has been broken into officer. They went into me living room and fleeced the place, television, sofa, everything gone. Then they musta gone upstairs, took me bedside lamp and the bed. And to make matters worse, I had a grand stew simmering in the kitchen and one of the durty cunts took a shite in the pot. I had to throw the half of it out..'
Maybe they've just realised that,completely aside from any race element, these jokes are just shite anyway?
You from Cavan by any chance? Depends on your sense of humour if theyre shite or not. Certainly, the one I wrote is about as crap as they come.
The jokes are shite, but we are middle aged men. They are funny if you're a kid and starting to develop a sense of humour.
I still enjoy the odd bum and willy jokes myself if I'm being honest. Have to be careful at any work party with after a few pints, my levels of juvenile retardedness know no bounds.
On a somewhat related note, how shit is a lot of modern comedy, when the punchline of the night is a Donald Trump joke or one related to institutional racism. It's almost the equivalent of a bum and willy joke at this rate. Any of those comedy specials on the BBC, or god forbid, the likes of Saturday night live..woeful stuff. As predictable as a Japanese train..just wait and it will definitely come, right on cue. PC culture at it's finest..only a select few topics and people can be attacked.
I agree. There's a lack of creativity in much of today's comedy, but that's probably always the case. Interestingly, I was listening to an interview with Stuart Lee last night and he was saying that there were alt-right types complaining that the Edinburgh Fringe festival was far too lefty and that right wing comedians weren't getting a look in and were being unfairly overlooked. It turns out that nobody gets invited to that event. Comedians book a venue, show up and then perform to whoever decides to show up. I found that very interesting. I think that the lefty humour that endlessly makes fun of Trump (we get it, he's retarded) is fairly redundant but then again, if all the right has to offer is shock and outrage, well that's equally unappealing to me. I tend to like non- political comedy as it has far more scope for creativity and can really surprise you. James Acaster is a recent enough discovery for me and his absurd, but not too absurd (!), style cracks me up. I think the problem is that, like most creative pursuits, 90% of comedy is total and utter diarrhoea.
The whole "haha Trump is an idiot!" thing in comedy got very old, very fast, but then the same thing happened when Bush was in office too.
I'm the same and tend to stick to non-political comedians these days, stuff like James Acaster, David O'Doherty, Nick Helm
Yep, politics is literally the lowest common denominator, a sign, for the most part, of a complete lack of creativity or individuality. As for left or right comedy...well that goes back to my original point. Predictable, uninspired etc etc.
A good comedian is a good comedian regardless of his political affiliations. You couldn't get more left-wing than Stewart Lee and he's a genius. Bill Burr does stuff which, I presume, is lapped up by the alt-right, but he's class too. There seems to be a new breed of comedian around, taken from within the ethnic minority groups, and they can get away with lots of stuff white comedians wouldn't. Loyiso Gola springs to mind, very funny and not easily placeable left or right.
Lee and Burr are very good, big fan of both, but they were doing their brand of comedy long before the current influx of wagon jumpers got on the scene. There are always shining lights, but I'm more referring to the type of comedy that just goes straight for it. Like a checklist of shit that every other b list comedian is talking about. I'm sssentially just talking about shit vs good comedians I suppose. Shit comedians in the past used love throwing around the race laden jokes. It became more sex based in the 90's an onwards. There were also the Bill Hicks clones. Right now it's the Donald Trump/racially insensitive schtick. Yadda yadda yadda, god be with the days etc...
Other bands don't like his band, so boo hoo and a quick "All I ever wanted was a troll-free scene" :laugh:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/imagine_dragons_frontman_reacts_to_corey_taylor__more_artists_trashing_his_band_it_has_added_to_the_depression_ive_dealt_with_since_youth.html
He does come across as the sandiest vagina
Never even heard of this band.
Shit band, deserve all the hatred and bullying they receive.
John Boyne, the author of The Bot in the Striped Pyjamas, has a new book out which features a transgender character has had to shut down his Twitter because of the backlash he has received, for writing an article rejecting the term cis. The long and the short of it being he identifies as a man, not a cis man.
"I don't consider myself a cis man; I consider myself a man... I reject the notion that someone can force an unwanted term onto another."
I think that's a perfectly acceptable standpoint. As a gay man, he's faced enough hardship I imagine, and he's all for trans rights etc so I don't know what they're complaining about.
I'm not on Twitter myself but just picking one of the comments that seems to be the over-riding thinking... "John is not trans therefore this isn't his story to write."
Lord help us!!
Nonsense. It sort of defeats the whole point of fiction. That said, I read A Ladder to the Sky, and while I have enjoyed everything else I have read by him, I thought this book was really poor. Badly written, half baked characters, glaring plot, an appallingly clumsy denouement in one of the sections- oh no, I am now dying, I can't believe this is happening etc- primary school level writing. The only thing holding it all together was a mildly diverting storyline, but it was ultimately shite. Though how anyone might find it offensive, other than to the art of storytelling, I'm not really sure.
I just despair. I know it might be easier to just not let this stuff annoy me by ignoring it but fuckin hell, it's a world gone mad.
Never having been on Twitter and no longer being on Facebook really helps. All the mad shit evaporates :laugh:
I've actually eliminated that kinda stuff from Facebook through clever use of blocking/deleting. I should probably avoid The Journal too!
Quote from: Emphyrio on April 18, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
John Boyne, the author of The Bot in the Striped Pyjamas
Science fiction is it?
:laugh:oops. Might be something to that though...
"Are you guys going skiing?"...hahahaha
A little terrier among the sparrows.....
https://youtu.be/j693_xvdGTI
When morons collide.
Absolutely. Total Plonkerville.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 12, 2019, 01:20:33 PM
I remember being a young kid and telling jokes at school in the 80s like why do Jews have big noses? Cause air is free. Or how can you spot a Jews house? Toilet paper on the washing line.
Tell them now, you'd be arrested. Granted there's not many Jewish people in norn iron. Suppose could just replace Jew with Scott or Ballymena man.
I heard the saying about Cavan people :laugh:
I seen Danny Baker's in a bit of bother. Granted it was very fucking short sighted but I genuinely don't think he thought 'ill post a picture of a monkey because the baby's black and sure black people look like monkeys and everybody will think it's hilarious and light hearted.'
Ah he's a prick and probably did think it was edgy to make a little rascist joke out of it. Fuck him and fuck the people making a massive deal out of it.
No, I think he just made a jock of himself. He's usually all working class, man of the people, type talk.
Twas very stupid out of him to be fair.
Yep it was..dope. Watched an interview by Owen Jones this morning. The epitome of a wankbag
Watched that Andrew Neil interview with Ben Shapiro earlier, utterly embarrassing. Spends most of it trying to say Neil is a leftist before storming off after going on about how popular he is
Always enjoy Andrew Neil in fairness. He smashed Owen Jones another night. Shapiro an odd little character. He can be strangely convincing at times but he's got some very staunchly conservative views on gun control, Israel and the like.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-48213813 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-48213813)
"One was so incensed she took her bag back to the store with "shame on you!" and "paper, not plastic!" written in capitals in black marker pen."
:laugh:
I'm all for reducing the use of plastic packaging but that's fucking sad.
Passive agressive little wanker
A back patch
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/goatmoon-patch-gets-guy-kicked-out-of-maryland-deathfest-show-he-says/?fbclid=IwAR0t08jTQ9J3RyUuvM9Zv1PnfZPrlYXeu-62yK3Epl0MNMUIHFqiNMj4Crg
Never heard of this band but thought it might fit this thread somewhat, full retard stuff.
https://twitter.com/eyehatethou/status/1117955057297907713
Haha yeah, I saw that the other day. Such embarrassing carry on from the supposed good guys. Fucking twats.
Cringe.
They're joking.
Joking or "joking"?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 27, 2019, 09:19:29 PM
Joking or "joking"?
I'd have thought the former (they're wind up merchants on social media) but I'm sure you've already made your mind up.
Are you sure or are you "sure"?
Thought it may have been a joke; most of the sympathetic responses don't seem to get the "joke" either though.
Speaking of the perpetually offended, I see Gemma O'Doherty is back protesting at twitters hq here, just before her account is lifted from suspension. Again.
https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1139224273216856065?s=09
Just had a look at that, read what she was saying, saw what everyone else was saying about her, realised she's fucking nuts and so are all the cunts losing their shit about her, closed Twitter, took a deep breath, realised I have half a century at the very most left on this planet and decided I have enough to be doing to keep my pants up and my cock hard in the next few years than worrying about a bunch of basket cases typing angrily into the black nothingness of the world wide web, where your silent cry echoes for all eternity, with no response, alone, helpless, far from grace, a veritable purgatory, a vacuum, a void. Listening to way too much Slayer lately.. :abbath:
Wonderfully said.
What you all reckon on what Jo Brand said? Bit of over reaction but I get the point if it was a politician or non comedian saying it about someone else then people would really be losing their shit.
Either way, a police investigation is utterly retarded and complete waste of time and resources.
I'm offended by you making me look up the context to this myself.
Way over the top reaction. She's the most unfunny fat fuck ever, the joke wasn't particularly funny but it was a joke. Ironic it's Farage getting so bent out of shape, the smug fucker, with the shit he has come out with.
She's a comedian and it was said on a comedy show. Also, from the context, she was also criticizing the whole milkshake thing as being pointless, which it is.
I don't mind Jo Brand at all. Wouldn't watch a whole show, but I'm very much not her target audience.
I've actually gone from disliking her to finding her quite amusing in recent times. Totally agree with Chris's post above, and as for Farrage playing the victim? Well that is funny enough on its own.
Q, I and A have been added to LGBT it seems. I'm all for equal rights but is this whole thing not going too far? U.L. are looking to introduce "Rainbow" housing where members of the above community would have housing specifically for themselves. I would have thought that self-segregation is the opposite approach they should be taking.
Give a G an inch and he'll take yards.
:o :o :laugh:
Comedian tells tame Edinburgh Fringe joke, people get upset.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49395718
That joke is as inoffensive as it gets!
Those bastarding cunts can fuck off. Cunts.
Quote from: 101_North on August 20, 2019, 07:36:36 AM
Comedian tells tame Edinburgh Fringe joke, people get upset.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49395718
Jesus wept. Saw Jerry Sadowitz there, dread to think what they'd make of him.
The amount of times I've started typing replies to things on this thread and give up in the end because it's utterly pointless putting the effort into these utter cunts.
I give up.. on everything
It was a tourettes advocacy group that complained, they are just trying to drum up publicity on the back of the fringe festival. But yeah, utter nonsense, the joke was a pun and never even mentioned tourettes. I actually preferred another joke in the top 10. Something to the effect of "So someone stole my antidepressant pills, well I hope they're happy now.".
Quote from: Scáthach on August 20, 2019, 11:25:08 PM"So someone stole my antidepressant pills, well I hope they're happy now.".
I feel attacked :abbath:
But how do you think the big pharma companies feel, they're just trying make an honest billion from people's misery? God help any of these "I'm offended" types if they saw a Jimmy Carr show!
As you said yourself, it was an advocacy group drumming up some publicity. In the end, everyone wins: more people know about them and more people know about the comedian too, whatever his name is :D
Jasper Carrot (remember him!) had a bit about people getting offended by his jokes about Alzheimer's. "I never received so many envelopes!" :laugh:
:laugh: That's brilliant. There was a Frankie Boyle joke recently saying I think the Irish must be enjoying watching brexit, it'd be nice for them to see Britain go through a famine for once. I loved it, half the audience did also, the other half, not so much. I do enjoy a comic that plays with the boundaries of what's "acceptable", providing it's not just cheap shots or punching down.
Frankie Boyle is still the king of comedy for me, you've gotta wind people up or it's not even funny. That Jimmy Carr bit about "how pissing in the shower ruined his school trip to Auschwitz" though, that's heavy, but it seems it is the American comedians that get stronger backlash from the fukking PC brigade.
New Dave Chapelle's "Sticks and Stones" is brilliant. He just touched the Michael Jackson subject and the media is already roaring...
And that said, people will overlook paedophilia for Michael Jackson's music, that's how good the guy was.
I think this fits here!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-49661970
I dunno, the main reason seems to be a wholly pragmatic one: they want to be able to recruit more women firefighters. Also, it's Fireman Sam, who gives a fuck :/
Haha, my sentiment exactly.
Fucking hate Fireman Sam in fairness. As I imagine does anyone who's been a parent in the last 15-20 years.
Fair enough :laugh: - I have kids and don't care much for him either
New version of Monopoly coming out where women earn more than men for passing go, guess they're trying to say that they either need help to win, or are just bad with money
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/and-finally/new-ms-monopoly-game-sees-women-get-more-money-for-passing-go-than-men-38487285.html
Fuck me
I wouldn't even kiss ya mate.
Your loss, fat boy
XXxX
Quote from: Trev on September 11, 2019, 02:58:57 PM
New version of Monopoly coming out where women earn more than men for passing go, guess they're trying to say that they either need help to win, or are just bad with money
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/and-finally/new-ms-monopoly-game-sees-women-get-more-money-for-passing-go-than-men-38487285.html
That's a genius idea. It will appeal to women and liberals while winding lads up and (like now) get a lot of free publicity :laugh:
Yeah, to be fair they're great at repackaging the same game over and over and still selling a shitload. I've three different Monopolys in the house and no idea where they even came from!
I have never played Monopoly, and I'm in my mid-40s. Do I win?
Quote from: Pentagrimes on September 11, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
Fucking hate Fireman Sam in fairness. As I imagine does anyone who's been a parent in the last 15-20 years.
That Norman Price is a right cunt.
So apparently the Brits awards are considering getting rid of the best male/female catorgery cause its offensive to non-binary people like Sam Smith. He wants to be referred to as 'they' instead of he.
Maybe I've finally become that old man who just doesn't understand the world anymore. Am I being a dinosaur by saying I think this is fucking ridiculous? He's got a willy and an y chromosome and hasn't had any tranny ops. He's a bloke who's probably gay (and there's nothing wrong with that )
Ah yeah, it's mad as fuck but I'm possibly in the dinosaur camp too. It matters fuck all to me as I have zero interest in The Oscars. Actually, making it some kind of gender battleground might make it interesting.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on September 23, 2019, 06:28:17 PM
So apparently the Brits awards are considering getting rid of the best male/female catorgery cause its offensive to non-binary people like Sam Smith. He wants to be referred to as 'they' instead of he.
Maybe I've finally become that old man who just doesn't understand the world anymore. Am I being a dinosaur by saying I think this is fucking ridiculous? He's got a willy and an y chromosome and hasn't had any tranny ops. He's a bloke who's probably gay (and there's nothing wrong with that )
No you're not out of touch. He's a fucking self centred asshole who became famous blatanltly ripping off Tom Petty in a way that wasn't even slightly subtle. All the rest of it just strikes me as a culture that has become extremely sick tbh. A couple of months footing turf down the bog would sort a.lot of it out.
TRANSGENDERISM: when a fetish is allowed to become a civil rights movement
To be honest, I'm surprised the question of male/female categories in the arts hasn't been phased out earlier in the name of equal rights. Although, as anti-anti-PC I am (because there's a safe 90% or so chance that any anti-PC statement will be retarded), it's true that what may come out of this in today's world is one catch all category (ciswomen plus all non-canonical, let's say, identifiers) versus a "cismen" category.
Which will open up another line of bullshit. If it's mostly straight white men that win ..OMG THE PATRIARCHY etc etc
Every year someone representing a letter of LGTWTFBBQ etc will need to win to show 'diversity' and 'inclusivity' and whatnot.
I have literally no idea why someone would want to get rid of their willy. Are they using it wrong? Did it not grow properly?
The amount of quality time I've spent tearing away at my flute over the years, and even better, putting it into warm moist holes, has been some of the best I've spent. Of course I won't be telling the grandkids all about it on my death bed, but it's certainly made life a whole lot more bearable and indeed enjoyable.
Quote from: Pedrito on September 24, 2019, 05:37:40 PM
I have literally no idea why someone would want to get rid of their willy. Are they using it wrong? Did it not grow properly?
And neither do I. I can understand what it is to be gay as it is an attraction to someone. I'm attracted to females so it's the same premise. So there is an understanding there.
I don't want to be a female hence I don't have that understanding. But that dosent mean some people do feel totally trapped and feel they should be another gender. If you're a fully formed adult capable of making reasoned decisions and want to transition then that's your perogrative. As with anything people who abuse (not saying you are) transgender people (or gay or black etc) are only sad cunts who dont have the balls to better their own lives.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 25, 2019, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 24, 2019, 05:37:40 PM
I have literally no idea why someone would want to get rid of their willy. Are they using it wrong? Did it not grow properly?
And neither do I. I can understand what it is to be gay as it is an attraction to someone. I'm attracted to females so it's the same premise. So there is an understanding there.
I don't want to be a female hence I don't have that understanding. But that dosent mean some people do feel totally trapped and feel they should be another gender. If you're a fully formed adult capable of making reasoned decisions and want to transition then that's your perogrative. As with anything people who abuse (not saying you are) transgender people (or gay or black etc) are only sad cunts who dont have the balls to better their own lives.
And none of us will probably ever understand the mentality of someone going through that.
It must be a horrible position to be in to grow up believing you are the wrong gender. I think in the past it was treated with disdain and overly negative. Now with the whole OTT acceptance of everything with no logical thinking it's almost a case of people being pushed to go full in without thinking it through or getting the appropriate help first. All evidence points to their being a serious mental health issue surrounding it but they don't want to say that as it might hurt feelings, yet they will push for better understanding and help for mental health issues!!!
The suicide rate of transgender people is quite high but it's even higher for those who have gone through gender reassignment.
All the shit you read about parents putting kids on certain medication now because the child says they want to be a girl.. a young undeveloped mind says something and grown fucking adults (who's brains clearly stopped developing when they were 2) just go straight into it because it's cool to be open minded/accepting etc etc
If a kid says they want to change gender then it should be handled appropriately. If not then you should be sterilised and your kids taken from you as you are clearly not fit to have a fucking clue.
If a grown adult wants to go through the process, it is their prerogative however it should be the correct way (which I believe if you go down the right route there is a lot of therapy involved and a long process before getting to the final stage.
But unfortunately as I said above the suicide rate after the operation is even higher. I can only suggest that it's remorse after going through with it and or realising they still feel the same way regardless of their genitalia.
Yeah I was obviously messing around. I totally agree, it should be the person's own adult decision. Anything else is child abuse pure and simple. Cutting pieces off children, changing their entire bodily makeup, it's crazy that it's even a debate. More power to anyone who wants to do it as an adult, god knows what state they are in to get to that place, but we should treat them with compassion and understanding. I also know there are other cases out there whereby someone might be born without a clear sex(don't ask me to get the wording rifht here) and I understand that that is complex and should be approached as such. But taking a perfectly formed little boy or girl, filling them full.of drugs and cutting or adding bits onto them is Josef Mengele stuff and nothing will convince me otherwise.
I know a woman who works with transgender people throughout the process and after and some of her stories are incredible and certainly not all negative. I just shut my mouth and listen to her speak and it's fascinating stuff. Something she says time and time again is that a lot of the politicization of the issue is something a lot of the people she works with want no part in. They have enough on their plate and other priorities that they would put first. What's very clear is that the process is not just something someone wakes up in the morning and decides to engage in and there is a lot of drop off in terms of going through with operations etc. Complex stuff.
If the rate of suicide among post-op transgender people is higher than that of pre-op, that surely implies that there's a far deeper issue at play than mere gender identity. There must be some profound psychological damage at the heart of these cases and perhaps the gender confusion is more of a symptom of that breakdown rather than the cause of it? Who knows what the fuck hardship these people are going through to arrive at the quite extreme conclusion that they need to have a gender realignment, despite it being presented by the far left as just another option on the menu of personal identity. To allow kids to toy with such dangerous ideas must constitute neglect. As said above, adults are free to make adult decisions but in this instance I think they need a lot of psychological help and guidance to make sure they are making the right choice. It should be kept far away from the innocent realms of childhood.
Definitely a psychological quagmire/labyrinth
Quote from: Pedrito on September 25, 2019, 12:45:01 PM
Definitely a psychological quagmire/labyrinth
Totally.
First off you should be an adult to make these decisions. If you're a child then if you want to talk about it, get counselling/advice etc no harm.
If you as a child, want to take any medication or undergo a procedure for it, you should, in my view be told to go and shite for yourself.
I was in no way fit to make life altering decisions when i was under 18.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 25, 2019, 12:53:10 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 25, 2019, 12:45:01 PM
Definitely a psychological quagmire/labyrinth
Totally.
First off you should be an adult to make these decisions. If you're a child then if you want to talk about it, get counselling/advice etc no harm.
If you as a child, want to take any medication or undergo a procedure for it, you should, in my view be told to go and shite for yourself.
I was in no way fit to make life altering decisions when i was under 18.
A lot of it is from when you are young trying to fit in.. except for a lot of us it might be clothing/hair etc Not life altering things like trying to change your sex. It seems to me at least that being one of the letters in long list of ]LGTBBQ letters is deemed as cool right now so everyone wants to jump on board and out do each other. Being gay is probably boring now to the cool kids.. you gotta be non binary liquid solid snake in the process of going trans so you can live your best life..
Fuck it im out!
Quote from: Aborted on September 25, 2019, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 25, 2019, 12:53:10 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 25, 2019, 12:45:01 PM
Definitely a psychological quagmire/labyrinth
Totally.
First off you should be an adult to make these decisions. If you're a child then if you want to talk about it, get counselling/advice etc no harm.
If you as a child, want to take any medication or undergo a procedure for it, you should, in my view be told to go and shite for yourself.
I was in no way fit to make life altering decisions when i was under 18.
A lot of it is from when you are young trying to fit in.. except for a lot of us it might be clothing/hair etc Not life altering things like trying to change your sex. It seems to me at least that being one of the letters in long list of ]LGTBBQ letters is deemed as cool right now so everyone wants to jump on board and out do each other. Being gay is probably boring now to the cool kids.. you gotta be non binary liquid solid snake in the process of going trans so you can live your best life..
Fuck it im out!
I highly doubt people are trying to change sex to fit it. Maybe they are but i doubt it. Or maybe i'm picking you up totally wrong.
One of the lads I work with was telling me that his younger sister and her pals are obsessed with their sexuality and were taking the piss out of one of their mates for being straight. The rest of them all proclaimed to hold various positions on the bi-gay axis or were trans this and fluid that. That's purely anecdotal and may not be representative of most young people but with the current buzz around these so-called issues it's possible that there is an element of truth to it. Maybe it's considered dull and boring to be merely straight when you have this entire new world of sexual possibility open to you and maybe there's a bit of peer pressure around it all, too. I imagine, for most of these kids, it's a phase they'll pass through.
Definitely in liberal circles of adolescents these days, being a "straight cismale" has to be the uncoolest option going. In that sense, the obsession of our generation with not being gay and labelling other people as gay, "outing" as a negative, has simply flipped around. The obsession with genuinely not giving a fuck what manner of consenting adult(s) you or anyone else fucks from one day to the next to the point that any kind of labelling is redundant has yet to catch on and doesn't look likely to any time soon.
The trans issue with young kids is a worrying manifestation of that incapacity to let things flow, to let go of the urge to define. A modern libertine movement is what's needed. I'll volunteer to be the 21st century Marquis de Sade, minus the rape and paedophilia, naturally.
J.K Rowling strikes again
https://www.thejournal.ie/jk-rowling-transgender-twitter-5116833-Jun2020/
I have to say, I've always had time for her as she usually has plenty of cop-on. She's not deliberately controversial like that other one, what was her name?
She's not wrong!
I agree with her too. She doesn't come across like a lunatic, she makes a lot of sense even outside this issue and she's not afraid to speak her mind.
TRANSGENDERISM: WHEN A FETISH IS ALLOWED TO BECOME A CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT
I'm all for live and let live, but this issue, I think, has gone into the realms of the farcical.
Isn't she the one who got offended here and decided she just had to make a big deal about it? I mean, it was a) an opinion piece, and b) in a media outlet that very few have heard of. We all could have gotten through our week without having to think about it if it weren't for her, so for that alone fuck her and her lack of self-control.
It's also an issue that the media have decided to highlight the fact that she offended some people while disregarding the fact she had an equal or greater amount of support for her comments
The issue is that she has a wider reach than the original outlet and she decided to make a big deal of it. She got her way. Well done; now everyone is talking about it.
Just one of a number of reasonable opinions which are now taboo and in some instances criminalised.
If you object to a tranny taking a shit in the cubicle next to your seven year old daughter in a restaurant, you're now a bigot.
There's a huge supply and demand problem with Nazis and the left. They can't find many bona fide Hitler disciples so they will label anyone with contrary opinions as one.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 02:04:19 PM
Just one of a number of reasonable opinions which are now taboo and in some instances criminalised.
If you object to a tranny taking a shit in the cubicle next to your seven year old daughter in a restaurant, you're now a bigot.
There's a huge supply and demand problem with Nazis and the left. They can't find many bona fide Hitler disciples so they will label anyone with contrary opinions as one.
Using derogatory, bigoted language like "tranny" is just A1 but somehow you feel slighted because people think you're bigoted... right.
I don't care if people who are men want to deny reality call themselves women and vice versa. I couldn't care less, why should I? However, I'm not going to deny biological realities, and if that's bigoted, then call me a bigot. You can't just alternate between one gender and another, unless you have found a way to change chromosomal make-up. I mean, can I identify as Chinese? As a 12 year old? No, but I can become a woman? Right...
Fine, maybe I shouldn't say 'tranny', thanks for pulling me up on that. Can I say 'gender dysphoria sufferers'? Or is that bigoted too?
Anyone remember when the word "tranny" used mean radio?
You mean the wireless?
Possibly around the same time as wireless. I'm 90% sure it was a thing.
Most trannys would eventually be wireless. No?
:laugh:
I'm here all week folks. Stay 'tuned'.... :laugh:
It's odd that the woman whose books probably did more to engender and foster this generation's obsession with a primitive view of good vs evil, social justice and identity politics is now feeling the repercussions of that which she released into the world. I don't see anything wrong with what she's saying, though I can see how the way she's saying it will prove offensive in certain quarters. That said it doesn't take much to get them lunatics up in arms about anything anyway.
There's a narrative at the moment that masculinity is under attack, though I would argue the opposite. Fenininity is what is under attack from all fronts. The dehumanising influence of porn, the expectation that women should be all things a man is and on top of that be mothers, lovers, amazing wives etc etc. Women are portrayed as these incredibly violent, capable sex objects in Hollywood movies, kicking 20 men's heads in at a time.
Then we have this, for want of a better word, 'assault' on what a woman actually is. It's not good enough to strip them and make them feel bad about how they look, how they perform in bed, how they dress, their 'emotions', but now, having fought for equality for so long, they are now told that pfff none of that matters anyway because anyone can be a woman. Everything that makes you a woman is just a feeling that myself or Caomhaoin or Black Shepherd can have, and just by deciding or feeling like I'm a woman I'm immediately allowed to be a woman.
I have no problem AT ALL with someone wanting to change sex when they're an adult..more power to them, but what is happening now is a kind of militant attack on the idea of femininity and also on womanhood itself. It's no surprise that a lot of it comes from a leftist mindset, man is just material, no spirituality, no meaning to anything, mechanisms, cogs in the machine to be changed and replaced for the collective good.
I also wouldn't be of some opposite right mindset, women in the kitchen all that horseshit before some twat starts saying that. Ideologies on all sides are an afront on what it is to be human, to be a person with feelings, nuanced, intelligent. There is room for everyone. Black, white, trans, whatever, but trying to ram stuff down people's throats is not the way. If you feel strongly about trans stuff well fair play but attacking people, silencing them etc, ESPECIALLY people who fought for women's lib, gay rights etc. is just so fucking counter productive.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 07, 2020, 02:57:39 PM
Then we have this, for want of a better word, 'assault' on what a woman actually is. It's not good enough to strip them and make them feel bad about how they look, how they perform in bed, how they dress, their 'emotions', but now, having fought for equality for so long, they are now told that pfff none of that matters anyway because anyone can be a woman.
I get this. Except, in the matter at hand, we're dealing with the opposite case; people born women (i.e. people who menstruate) who identify as men. It seems to me that the possibility to account for nuance is the primary victim in all of these topics.
Quote from: CaoimhinYou can't just alternate between one gender and another, unless you have found a way to change chromosomal make-up
And you can roll things like this out all you wish, like as if you actually have any level of experise in the field...but I'm sure we'd all find it very entertaining if you were to try explain all the various syndromes of sexual chromosome anomalies that exist; there's around a dozen of them. Taken all together, more than 1 in 500 births are concerned. These people have more options open to them today, more counselling, more of everything that makes it easier for them to grapple with their biological reality. Sure, things can get out of hand with the PC crowd, and they get hysterical and whatever, but jesus, there is also pure unadulterated ignorance on the other hand which we're still struggling to crawl out of as a society.
People who menstruate :laugh:
Genius.
Thankfully this nuttiness doesn't seem to be catching on to a great degree in Ireland, or at least I'm utterly oblivious to it if it is which is good enough for me.
Pedrito nailed it there with his common sense, or at least, that's the stance I'd take on it too. I get what BSC is saying above but I think that the current shift in attitude toward general acceptance of alternative lifestyles and the support available to people who suffer from these challenges show that the war is largely won for them.
For the ultra PC heads to continue to rage on in their loony language wars is where it all starts getting kind of meaningless to me. There is an element of control around their constant mangling of the language, twisting meaning into unrecognizable shapes and attempts to dominate and murder every narrative that is simply irritating as Hell.
But is it all just online hot air? I dunno.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 07, 2020, 03:13:20 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 07, 2020, 02:57:39 PM
Then we have this, for want of a better word, 'assault' on what a woman actually is. It's not good enough to strip them and make them feel bad about how they look, how they perform in bed, how they dress, their 'emotions', but now, having fought for equality for so long, they are now told that pfff none of that matters anyway because anyone can be a woman.
I get this. Except, in the matter at hand, we're dealing with the opposite case; people born women (i.e. people who menstruate) who identify as men. It seems to me that the possibility to account for nuance is the primary victim in all of these topics.
The same would apply in the opposite sense too and there´ s plenty of room for nuance, we live in socities that allow these debates to happen, in fact one could argue that the issue gets far more airtime and far more media dedicated to it than other more pressing issues. In terms of nuance, that also would have applied in the other thread about BLM too, but ideologies take over as usual, in terms of what I was arguing: 2 wrongs don´ t make a right. There´ s no problem changing your sex, fire ahead, it´ s surgery. Again, though, the ` feeling´ that you´ re a man or woman is quite simply not something that can be quantified. It´ s like the ` feeling´ I get that people are discriminating against me. That´ s when you look at things like laws or science or god forbid biology, or the statisctics that you brought up relating to African Americans in jail. There´ s a movement towards transgenderism, it´ s a big topic of discussion today, will it be the same in 100 years? These are all perfectly relevant questions. Personally, as I said, I really don´ t care, I think I have an issue more with the way things are argued than anything else. Once these issues get sucked into the ideological, political realm, they´ re used as sticks to beat the enemy with and the claims and counterclaims start to get absolutely ridiculous.
Deleted, no more of this back and forth.
Impulse control, Caomhaoin!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 07, 2020, 03:25:21 PM
Thankfully this nuttiness doesn't seem to be catching on to a great degree in Ireland, or at least I'm utterly oblivious to it if it is which is good enough for me.
Pedrito nailed it there with his common sense, or at least, that's the stance I'd take on it too. I get what BSC is saying above but I think that the current shift in attitude toward general acceptance of alternative lifestyles and the support available to people who suffer from these challenges show that the war is largely won for them.
For the ultra PC heads to continue to rage on in their loony language wars is where it all starts getting kind of meaningless to me. There is an element of control around their constant mangling of the language, twisting meaning into unrecognizable shapes and attempts to dominate and murder every narrative that is simply irritating as Hell.
But is it all just online hot air? I dunno.
I ` heart´ you too :laugh:
We need that Care emoji from Facebook, maybe Abbath holding a heart instead of an axe? Maybe a transgender Abbath..fuck it I´ m open to anything.
Scahleh!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
Deleted, no more of this back and forth.
Impulse control, Caomhaoin!
Ah fuck and I was just about to quote you. Regarding the both sets of genitalia, there is one in the town where I live. Looks like a man, dresses like a woman. There are around 8000 people in the town so statistically, 1 in 8000 has this issue. ;-)
I think Pedrito speaks the most sense here on this one. Live and let live, and don't find nitpicky ways to attack people online, trying to foster a sense of discontent or victimisation by picking at the subtle nuances of the language used. Not everybody has to agree with everything just because it is seen as PC, and this is why I find the far left as abhorrent as the far right. Everything has to be taken to the extreme all of the time, and all arguments online are inevitably dragged through the ditch of politics, race and gender these days.
It doesn't seem very clever to me to try to appear to be advocating harmony while attacking anybody who can be in the slightest way seen as a potential detractor.
Harmony is the last thing on the agenda of the far left and far right. Total mind control is the name of the game.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
EDIT: Not going to quote Kev if he's deleted his post.
- I'm not an authority on sexual chromosome anomalies, but genetic engineering is part of my day to day, so I can understand papers on it when I read them.
- Down syndrome isn't an anomaly of the sexual chromosomes, I'm talking specifically of the dozen or so sexual chromosome anomalies. Taken all together, they account for about 1 in 500 births. Klinefelter syndrome is one, there are about a dozen others that have been discovered so far.
- The most important thing to bear in mind in dealing with gender is that gender transitioning is the rule. Two facts to blow you away: during embryonic development, we develop an arse before we develop a mouth, and for the first few weeks we all develop as females, in a X-chromosome dependent manner. In males, one gene (called SRY) on the Y-chromosome is activated about five/six weeks in to determine development of the male genitalia and prevent development of the female genitalia. If this activation didn't happen, we would all carry on developing as females. But, all sorts of things can go wrong here: you can have XY but SRY doesn't activate properly, XY but the Y is missing SRY, XX but with an either active or inactive SRY on one of the X, and other even more complex variants. Not to mention syndromes which are from anomalies in other genes than SRY; this is just the easiest case to explain, since it's central to the "normal" male development.
But even in the most chromosomally speaking "normal" cases, there are cascade effects the activation (in XY males) or non activation (in XX females) of SRY implies in the medulla and elsewhere in the brain where any number of things that we are not really close to understanding could be happening. So, for this reason, people who
are specialists in that area, generally keep an open mind when it comes to how people identify sexually, since this is something intimately related also to communication between the genitalia (whatever they may be) and the brain, again things which we know a bit about, but frankly not very much. It's an extremely complex issue that we're only just beginning to study properly. For example, some say there's a higher incidence of genital dysphoria in people with Klinefelter, but there haven't been enough cases to really conclude one way or the other.
In short, this is absolutely the opposite of anti-science political whatever. This is science saying, "Look, this is way more complicated than we thought, so if someone is saying they feel like a certain gender, then maybe there's a biological cause we can find, but if we can't then maybe there's a neurobiological cause we don't even know how to look for. If it's the second case, then there's nothing we can say about it, so you'll have to deal with it as a society." And that is exactly what we have to do, with a minimum of hysteria and scare-mongering, preferably.
The majority of us don't care tbh, nobody really has an issue. It's the idealogues who are creating the hysteria and asking us to change all sorts of things like gender pronouns and our fairly straightforward way of checking if someone is male/female i.e. do they have a cock or pussy etc. Everything you have detailed above all sounds very interesting but you even say so yourself a lot of it is speculative and deals with very rare cases. So lets hope science can provide more answers and maybe lets not foist debatable information on small kids that have enough to manage without trying to figure out if they're really a woman even though they have a willy and little plums.
Sure look at Eoin McLove; he identifies as a man even though he's got no willy.
I'm the living embodiment of this important issue and even I think it's retarded.
:laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 07, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
EDIT: Not going to quote Kev if he's deleted his post.
- I'm not an authority on sexual chromosome anomalies, but genetic engineering is part of my day to day, so I can understand papers on it when I read them.
- Down syndrome isn't an anomaly of the sexual chromosomes, I'm talking specifically of the dozen or so sexual chromosome anomalies. Taken all together, they account for about 1 in 500 births. Klinefelter syndrome is one, there are about a dozen others that have been discovered so far.
- The most important thing to bear in mind in dealing with gender is that gender transitioning is the rule. Two facts to blow you away: during embryonic development, we develop an arse before we develop a mouth, and for the first few weeks we all develop as females, in a X-chromosome dependent manner. In males, one gene (called SRY) on the Y-chromosome is activated about five/six weeks in to determine development of the male genitalia and prevent development of the female genitalia. If this activation didn't happen, we would all carry on developing as females. But, all sorts of things can go wrong here: you can have XY but SRY doesn't activate properly, XY but the Y is missing SRY, XX but with an either active or inactive SRY on one of the X, and other even more complex variants. Not to mention syndromes which are from anomalies in other genes than SRY; this is just the easiest case to explain, since it's central to the "normal" male development.
But even in the most chromosomally speaking "normal" cases, there are cascade effects the activation (in XY males) or non activation (in XX females) of SRY implies in the medulla and elsewhere in the brain where any number of things that we are not really close to understanding could be happening. So, for this reason, people who are specialists in that area, generally keep an open mind when it comes to how people identify sexually, since this is something intimately related also to communication between the genitalia (whatever they may be) and the brain, again things which we know a bit about, but frankly not very much. It's an extremely complex issue that we're only just beginning to study properly. For example, some say there's a higher incidence of genital dysphoria in people with Klinefelter, but there haven't been enough cases to really conclude one way or the other.
In short, this is absolutely the opposite of anti-science political whatever. This is science saying, "Look, this is way more complicated than we thought, so if someone is saying they feel like a certain gender, then maybe there's a biological cause we can find, but if we can't then maybe there's a neurobiological cause we don't even know how to look for. If it's the second case, then there's nothing we can say about it, so you'll have to deal with it as a society." And that is exactly what we have to do, with a minimum of hysteria and scare-mongering, preferably.
So like a biological or sexual synaesthesia? The latter sounds kinky so we'll go with that. Very interesting anyway.
Sexual Synaesthesia, great band name. Debut album, The Colour of Climax.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 02:39:39 PM
I don't care if people who are men want to deny reality call themselves women and vice versa. I couldn't care less, why should I? However, I'm not going to deny biological realities, and if that's bigoted, then call me a bigot. You can't just alternate between one gender and another, unless you have found a way to change chromosomal make-up. I mean, can I identify as Chinese? As a 12 year old? No, but I can become a woman? Right...
Fine, maybe I shouldn't say 'tranny', thanks for pulling me up on that. Can I say 'gender dysphoria sufferers'? Or is that bigoted too?
They're not denying reality. There's a difference between your biological sex and the gender you feel you are. What else compels someone to put themselves through the phycial hell that is gender realignment?
I can't get my head around it, doesn't mean that other people don't feel it. Just like how I'm not attracted to guys, doesn't mean other guys aren't.
Actually, yeah, you're free to identify as Chinese if you want to. You're free to get balls deep into their overarching culture and the minutiae of their day to day life. You can even move there and become a citizen. You were born in Ireland (I'm assuming), you're Irish, but you may feel "fuck it, I feel like I'm Chinese". And I nor anyone else can deny how you feel.
I don't know, but how about 'transgender'?
Quote from: Ducky on June 07, 2020, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 02:39:39 PM
I don't care if people who are men want to deny reality call themselves women and vice versa. I couldn't care less, why should I? However, I'm not going to deny biological realities, and if that's bigoted, then call me a bigot. You can't just alternate between one gender and another, unless you have found a way to change chromosomal make-up. I mean, can I identify as Chinese? As a 12 year old? No, but I can become a woman? Right...
Fine, maybe I shouldn't say 'tranny', thanks for pulling me up on that. Can I say 'gender dysphoria sufferers'? Or is that bigoted too?
They're not denying reality. There's a difference between your biological sex and the gender you feel you are. What else compels someone to put themselves through the phycial hell that is gender realignment?
I can't get my head around it, doesn't mean that other people don't feel it. Just like how I'm not attracted to guys, doesn't mean other guys aren't.
Actually, yeah, you're free to identify as Chinese if you want to. You're free to get balls deep into their overarching culture and the minutiae of their day to day life. You can even move there and become a citizen. You were born in Ireland (I'm assuming), you're Irish, but you may feel "fuck it, I feel like I'm Chinese". And I nor anyone else can deny how you feel.
I don't know, but how about 'transgender'?
Ah ya but he still won't be chinese.
😂
Look man, I meant ethnically Chinese, but whatever. We see the world from opposing points of view, your perfectly entitled to your opinion, but you, Chris, Owen Jones and Chris Cuomo are unlikely to ever convince me, and clearly vice versa.
Sher look, it's only a bit more diversity, just of opinion, in the rich tapestry of humanity. That's what you lads are all about I thought.
Quote from: blessed1 on June 07, 2020, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: Ducky on June 07, 2020, 08:35:28 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 02:39:39 PM
I don't care if people who are men want to deny reality call themselves women and vice versa. I couldn't care less, why should I? However, I'm not going to deny biological realities, and if that's bigoted, then call me a bigot. You can't just alternate between one gender and another, unless you have found a way to change chromosomal make-up. I mean, can I identify as Chinese? As a 12 year old? No, but I can become a woman? Right...
Fine, maybe I shouldn't say 'tranny', thanks for pulling me up on that. Can I say 'gender dysphoria sufferers'? Or is that bigoted too?
They're not denying reality. There's a difference between your biological sex and the gender you feel you are. What else compels someone to put themselves through the phycial hell that is gender realignment?
I can't get my head around it, doesn't mean that other people don't feel it. Just like how I'm not attracted to guys, doesn't mean other guys aren't.
Actually, yeah, you're free to identify as Chinese if you want to. You're free to get balls deep into their overarching culture and the minutiae of their day to day life. You can even move there and become a citizen. You were born in Ireland (I'm assuming), you're Irish, but you may feel "fuck it, I feel like I'm Chinese". And I nor anyone else can deny how you feel.
I don't know, but how about 'transgender'?
Ah ya but he still won't be chinese.
If he's got a tiny dick he might qualify.
:laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Chinese mickey hi 5's!
horse piss (Mare Liberum) , Swyer Syndrome, between angels and insects (incest)
not red not blue but royal purple
keeping the 'human resources' sweating away in a dualistic reproductive slave race, keep the goy chasing rainbows as it were
Lay off the mushies lad
Lay of the lad, lads.*
*unless you like a bit of lad, in which case fire ahead.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 07, 2020, 09:33:26 PM
Lay of the lad, lads.*
*unless you like a bit of lad, in which case fire ahead.
I was trying to point out they've been messing with human biochemistry for centuries using all sorts of plants and animal byproducts, it's kind of interesting to read about if you like history. Ok some of it heads close to conspiracy territory, but we're living in odd times so why not anyway.
There's a strong case that Swyer Syndrome is Nature's default, and people with strong masculine or feminine traits are in fact the anomalies, but were bred as a society-constructing caste.
I never used to say 'lad' before I worked with a, eh, person, from Carlow. I tried not to say it but my defences were breached after the 10,000th time he said 'well laaaaaaad'.
Soz
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 09:43:05 PM
I never used to say 'lad' before I worked with a, eh, person, from Carlow. I tried not to say it but my defences were breached after the 10,000th time he said 'well laaaaaaad'.
Soz
If 'ordinary' people say a thing it's usually a bad thing. This applies to posh people equally. Sometimes I have to catch myself too, either using too many long words in smalltalk, or more recently using 'fuck' 'fucking' 'cunt/cuntish' 'godforsaken' multiple times a sentence. It might be the ageing process.
Quote from: mugz on June 07, 2020, 09:40:01 PM
I was trying to point out they've been messing with human biochemistry for centuries using all sorts of plants and animal byproducts, it's kind of interesting to read about if you like history. Ok some of it heads close to conspiracy territory, but we're living in odd times so why not anyway.
I'd be interested in a book recommendation or two. Intentional and unintentional experimentation with plants and its subsequent "co-evolutionary" effects are pretty fascinating. Speaking of the mushies, McKenna's Food of the Gods is perhaps way off in the specifics of its over-arching conclusion, but the general idea of it - that additions and subsequent subtractions and so on of psychotropic (in the general, it could equally be hormone-altering) elements to the diet -, there's something about that that clicks with an intuition, a gut-feeling, in precisely the strictest sense.
What we all seem to be forgetting in all this is that a black man with a huge phallus literally saved us all from mass hysteria during the Coronavirus lockdown. Sitting with baited breath for the next meme to arrive gave us all something to live for. And in an interesting twist he's now identifying a middle aged Chinese lady.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 09:17:18 PM
Lay off the mushies lad
I honestly think if we got everyone in the world at once and gave them a right strong dose of mushies, it would be the beginning of the end for a lot of the world's problems.
Or Yokes might be even better. Get Trump, Varadkar, a Mexican, and an Asylum Seeker in Direct Provision, give them all a yoke and let them have at it for the evening together. Or the head of BLM and some KKK wizard and give them 2 each. 2 good ones, youtube for tunes and they would probably sort it all out before the comedown got going in earnest
MITSUBISHI - THOSE WERE THE DAYS
LAD
I honestly dread to think what tunes either Trump or a KKK wizard would want to put on YouTube on yokes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOYZaiDZ7BM
😂
fucking lol :laugh:
Edit: Can't get the picture out of my head
Would ye believe, I know people who enjoy that song without the influence of drugs. Fuckin weirdos.
Rednex is a hell of a drug
I like it for its perfectly 90s oddness, as much as I like 90s pop, a fair portion of it, not all, was memorable for being terrible. Actually not even terrible just really odd.
JK Rowling's been an interesting one. And a far more palatable figurehead for 'contentious' trans views than shitty Graham Linehan. What intriguing about Rowling is that she's traditionally been a figure of veneration for a lot of those that are on the shrieking imbecile end of things, so it's almost like the village chieftess is being ousted, here. I try not to follow social media, but it's very telling how vicious some of these folk are being towards a reasoned, intelligent woman who is coming from a decent place. It's been a rather ugly reflection.
It seems, more than anything, that she's raising questions. It also seems like questions are becoming a genuine no-go area for that are-they-really-that-big-off-the-internet group of people my generation (29) and younger that I could but won't use any number of overused, nauseating terms to describe.
I wouldn't have believed myself capable of saying it a few years ago when the world also seemed much simpler to me, but there's definitely a status quo of needing to be as identikit liberal as possible whereby you fall into herd allegiance, don't bother asking questions yourself and react with vitriol when someone like a JK Rowling does start rocking the boat a bit.
My friends and relatives would have all grown up with the auld Harry Potter - not the best written but still quite a story - and I'd know people myself whose reaction over the last few days would have been "Can't believe JK Rowling is having a go at transgender people now, what an idiot." They don't even stop to question why they feel that way. They don't really stop to mull over her views that much. It's just as simple to them as "She said trans is bad, and trans means freedom and love and that's good. So JK Rowing not good."
It's farcical.
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/
At last someone had the guts to take a stand on this issue and it would be a woman. Fair play to her. She'll be dragged through the muck by these lunatics for it.
Inquisitions and witch hunts, if we look at history, all appealed to right think and convoluted codes and norms as to how one should act and think. Just look at how complicated the churches got, taking a very general and universal message and converting it into a whole hierarchy of saints and bishops and sins and penances, a corruption of all that was natural and instinctual.
In similar ways we are being dragged into a 'debate' that the vast majority of us know, by instinct, to be complete nonsense, a 'debate' shrouded in terminology and language that is purposefully obscure and complex and impossible to get right, the pronouns being a perfect example of this. What better way to shut people down and not allow them to talk openly and freely, than calling them out or shutting them down everytime they commit the SIN of incorrent utterance.
We are in the world of the priest again. They take different guises and appeal to different 'hidden knowledge' but the desired outcomes are the same. They target the child, it's purely cultural, the science is extremely weak and speculative, and the massive increases in 'dysphoria' are reflected in other worrying trends amongst teeneage girls, especially, like self harm, depression etc. John Haidt's data on those issues is very revealing: https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/1083018993991077888?s=20
So, no, this isn't some paranoid outburst by Rowling. She is being attacked and hounded by groups with very specific political goals in mind. It's an attack on the woman, it's self hatred turned up to 11 and the outrage and finger pointing does absolutely no good for those who are truly affected by these issues.
'The current explosion of trans activism is urging a removal of almost all the robust systems through which candidates for sex reassignment were once required to pass'.
So, I always think about child abuse here in Ireland when it comes to these matters. People didn't understand it and wilfully looked the other way. I have a close friend, like a brother to me, who went to a boarding school where there were 6 child sex predators amongst the staff. One priest was convicted in his 70's, around 10 years ago, of 74 counts of rape, molestation etc of adolescent boys. It got so normal in this school, it was such an open secret, that kids would joke that X priest has been sent away on 'retreat' and we won't be seeing him again probably. Kids would say it to their parents who told them they were imagining things and not to be inventing stories. The untold damage done to kids of my generation and those before has been swept under the carpet to a degree, and yet society never learns. We get swept up by these sorcerers,
and every generation they reappear in some different guise.
Fantastic essay there, by Rowling. The online intimidation tactics from these 'woke' activists is sickening.
Tremendous pair of posts there, but you put them on twitter and it'll be 'shut up bigot'.
To the barricades, men!
I was reading a tweet there. Some young lad, poor little lost soul with green hair, asking this question:
'So, if I'm, like, with a trans person who defines as a woman but has a penis and asks me for oral/anal, does that make me gay?'
And the answer was: 'No(cue a long biblical post about how it's really a woman etc etc).
:laugh:
Welcome to the Madhouse!
Sucking female cock ain't gay, you bigot!
I won't have sex with a woman UNLESS she has a cock. :abbath:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Can just picture some big hairy farmer of a lad with the little twinky. 'Yeah I'm a fucking woman now get your lips around my clit'.
You've never seen Chyna naked, then?
That X-Punk ruined that video.
Sunny didn't look great in hers either, kinda wish I hadn't bothered with that yin.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 11, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
I was reading a tweet there. Some young lad, poor little lost soul with green hair, asking this question:
'So, if I'm, like, with a trans person who defines as a woman but has a penis and asks me for oral/anal, does that make me gay?'
And the answer was: 'No(cue a long biblical post about how it's really a woman etc etc).
:laugh:
Welcome to the Madhouse!
Oh for fuck sake the poor bastard :laugh:
Actually edit: Defines as a woman but wants to bum him? hmmmmm
Quote from: Pedrito on June 11, 2020, 11:34:01 AM
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/
At last someone had the guts to take a stand on this issue and it would be a woman. Fair play to her. She'll be dragged through the muck by these lunatics for it.
Inquisitions and witch hunts, if we look at history, all appealed to right think and convoluted codes and norms as to how one should act and think. Just look at how complicated the churches got, taking a very general and universal message and converting it into a whole hierarchy of saints and bishops and sins and penances, a corruption of all that was natural and instinctual.
In similar ways we are being dragged into a 'debate' that the vast majority of us know, by instinct, to be complete nonsense, a 'debate' shrouded in terminology and language that is purposefully obscure and complex and impossible to get right, the pronouns being a perfect example of this. What better way to shut people down and not allow them to talk openly and freely, than calling them out or shutting them down everytime they commit the SIN of incorrent utterance.
We are in the world of the priest again. They take different guises and appeal to different 'hidden knowledge' but the desired outcomes are the same. They target the child, it's purely cultural, the science is extremely weak and speculative, and the massive increases in 'dysphoria' are reflected in other worrying trends amongst teeneage girls, especially, like self harm, depression etc. John Haidt's data on those issues is very revealing: https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/1083018993991077888?s=20
So, no, this isn't some paranoid outburst by Rowling. She is being attacked and hounded by groups with very specific political goals in mind. It's an attack on the woman, it's self hatred turned up to 11 and the outrage and finger pointing does absolutely no good for those who are truly affected by these issues.
'The current explosion of trans activism is urging a removal of almost all the robust systems through which candidates for sex reassignment were once required to pass'.
So, I always think about child abuse here in Ireland when it comes to these matters. People didn't understand it and wilfully looked the other way. I have a close friend, like a brother to me, who went to a boarding school where there were 6 child sex predators amongst the staff. One priest was convicted in his 70's, around 10 years ago, of 74 counts of rape, molestation etc of adolescent boys. It got so normal in this school, it was such an open secret, that kids would joke that X priest has been sent away on 'retreat' and we won't be seeing him again probably. Kids would say it to their parents who told them they were imagining things and not to be inventing stories. The untold damage done to kids of my generation and those before has been swept under the carpet to a degree, and yet society never learns. We get swept up by these sorcerers,
and every generation they reappear in some different guise.
this is proper fucken insight right here
you lose if you're swayed by the mindcontrol, and you lose if you
know what's really going on and all the rest of them are just herd-types.
funnily enough you also lose if you view reality as eternal logic gates where it's always your reaction which counts.
I see the Larry Snotter brats are all predictably aligned in their renunciation of Rowling's compassionate, reasonable and emotionally intelligent piece on the trans debate.
Spas.
She should tell them to suck her cock. Their woke little brains would get all scrambled :laugh:
Chris is sensibly avoiding these piranha infested waters ;)
Convinced my fiancee that Fawlty Towers would be in the firing line as a sort of watershed moment of the sheer buffoonery of this carry on, yesterday, when Mighty Boosh, League of Gentlemen etc were pulled from streaming services for blackface characters.
https://news.sky.com/story/fawlty-towers-episode-pulled-from-streaming-service-due-to-racial-slurs-12005118
Wonder what's next. Whilst you're always going to be able to nab this stuff somewhere on the internet, it's made all the more real by the fact that unless you still have boxsets, you don't really own any of this stuff that those great cultural arbiters - the BBC - have now decried to be unsuitable to modern, nuance free living.
Quote from: Airneanach on June 12, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
Convinced my fiancee that Fawlty Towers would be in the firing line as a sort of watershed moment of the sheer buffoonery of this carry on, yesterday, when Mighty Boosh, League of Gentlemen etc were pulled from streaming services for blackface characters.
https://news.sky.com/story/fawlty-towers-episode-pulled-from-streaming-service-due-to-racial-slurs-12005118
Wonder what's next. Whilst you're always going to be able to nab this stuff somewhere on the internet, it's made all the more real by the fact that unless you still have boxsets, you don't really own any of this stuff that those great cultural arbiters - the BBC - have now decried to be unsuitable to modern, nuance free living.
if they've done fawlty towers you can see the monty python films up next
Only ze cutting edge humours vich depict ze Trump having ze orange face unt being a silly Nazi vill be permitted. Unt if you do not laf at zis, zere vill be consequences!
The real shame of it is that churlish barstoolers with just enough motor function to thumb their way into online comments have the patent on this PC gone mad shit, because it's a position that I foresee more and more people being buoyed into. At the pace we're currently going - commercial decisions and all - more people will invariably have their own watershed moment where it's their favourite show, their favourite album, their favourite cultural artefact that they've tied nostalgia too. Good ones, too. Not X-Pac dressing up as Mark Henry.
It'll eventually reach the other extreme end of the PC gone mad brigade. Together they form two sides that fail quite a bit to make a whole. Rash decisions of cultural arbitration are being made to appease them whilst the ordinary majority sit in the middle, torn between bemusement and quiet alarm. Sounds dramatic, of course, but this is a discussion off the back of a handful of shows being wiped from a handful of streaming services. So there's reason to believe it's a slope we're going down, and I'm not sure anyone has any real idea how or when we're meant to hit the breaks.
We're all headed for the barstool if my kids are coming in to a world where watching fucking Ru Paul's Drag Race is considered more acceptable to the head than a well written comedy.
Quote from: Airneanach on June 12, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
Convinced my fiancee that Fawlty Towers would be in the firing line as a sort of watershed moment of the sheer buffoonery of this carry on, yesterday, when Mighty Boosh, League of Gentlemen etc were pulled from streaming services for blackface characters.
https://news.sky.com/story/fawlty-towers-episode-pulled-from-streaming-service-due-to-racial-slurs-12005118
Wonder what's next. Whilst you're always going to be able to nab this stuff somewhere on the internet, it's made all the more real by the fact that unless you still have boxsets, you don't really own any of this stuff that those great cultural arbiters - the BBC - have now decried to be unsuitable to modern, nuance free living.
Fawlty Towers is one of my favourites!
It sounds like it might be just given a warning:
"The Germans is still available to view on Britbox, which is part-owned by the BBC, with a message saying it "contains some offensive racial language of the time and upsetting scenes". It is also on Netflix, carrying a warning about "language, [and] discrimination"."
Also says that repeats of it on BBC have been edited since 2013. So maybe an edit.
Please; no reading the details! All copies and all masters of Gone With The Wind and Fawlty Towers have been utterly destroyed by order of the one world government, that's what's happening and that's all I'll hear of it!
I don't think censorship is ever a good idea, but sections being edited out or beeped over has been with all of us all our lives. Bullshit becomes baloney, Sky edits a line out of Star Trek in UK broadcasts because it predicts a united Ireland, and so on. If there was a "fuck" in an episode of Fawlty Towers, they'd edit that out for a 7:30 showing too, speaking of "watershed" in that sense we've all known since we were kids.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 10:25:05 AM
Please; no reading the details! All copies and all masters of Gone With The Wind and Fawlty Towers have been utterly destroyed by order of the one world government, that's what's happening and that's all I'll hear of it!
I don't recall bemoaning the extent to which it was pulled, rather was using the opportunity to further along a valid debate.
Had no idea about that Star Trek thing, though and just had to look it up. Amazing!
I'm not having a go at you, although your bet with your girlfriend is rendered moot by the fact that the episode has been censored on the BBC since 2013. Not much of a prediction to make yesterday!
Poor Marilyn Manson had to deal with this in the 90s and look what he's become now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 10:34:44 AM
I'm not having a go at you, although your bet with your girlfriend is rendered moot by the fact that the episode has been censored on the BBC since 2013. Not much of a prediction to make yesterday!
I foresaw it making the news, pretty much. There was a certain inevitability about it. It's that classic British thing of being a much loved institution that's aged to bits.
Thankfully we didn't bet on it...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 10:25:05 AM
Please; no reading the details! All copies and all masters of Gone With The Wind and Fawlty Towers have been utterly destroyed by order of the one world government, that's what's happening and that's all I'll hear of it!
I don't think censorship is ever a good idea, but sections being edited out or beeped over has been with all of us all our lives. Bullshit becomes baloney, Sky edits a line out of Star Trek in UK broadcasts because it predicts a united Ireland, and so on. If there was a "fuck" in an episode of Fawlty Towers, they'd edit that out for a 7:30 showing too, speaking of "watershed" in that sense we've all known since we were kids.
Reminds me of the last time I was on a flight, watching a film. They're heavily overdubbed like this and it's hilarious. There was an instance of a character exclaiming "Jesus Christ!" changed to "Judas Priest!".
Wait 'til someone remembers Blazing Saddles.
Quote from: Carnage on June 12, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
Wait 'til someone remembers Blazing Saddles.
People have been talking about almost nothing else on social media the last couple of days. Blazing Saddles was never likely to be broadcast at 7:30 on the BBC, besides which it is explicitly an anti-racist movie which was co-written by Richard Pryor and provides its own contextualization by making a constant mockery of the white racists depicted in it. You might as well say, "Wait 'til someone remembers half of Chris Rock's stand up material."
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: Carnage on June 12, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
Wait 'til someone remembers Blazing Saddles.
People have been talking about almost nothing else on social media the last couple of days. Blazing Saddles was never likely to be broadcast at 7:30 on the BBC, besides which it is explicitly an anti-racist movie which was co-written by Richard Pryor and provides its own contextualization by making a constant mockery of the white racists depicted in it. You might as well say, "Wait 'til someone remembers half of Chris Rock's stand up material."
the odd thing is that chris rock's shtick is ageing really badly despite being fairly 'now', whereas blazing saddles despite being unbelievably 1970s in good and bad ways is still an ok watch, and sort of actually a pretty clever film in some ways despite being very 'then'.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: Carnage on June 12, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
Wait 'til someone remembers Blazing Saddles.
People have been talking about almost nothing else on social media the last couple of days. Blazing Saddles was never likely to be broadcast at 7:30 on the BBC, besides which it is explicitly an anti-racist movie which was co-written by Richard Pryor and provides its own contextualization by making a constant mockery of the white racists depicted in it. You might as well say, "Wait 'til someone remembers half of Chris Rock's stand up material."
I haven't seen it mentioned once in terms of this issue, but is the suggestion then that the likes of Little Britain, Fawlty Towers et al. weren't lampooning those attitudes? Because that just isn't the case.
I have no idea about Little Britain, but the suggestion with Fawlty Towers is only that certain words aren't suitable for broadcast at 7:30pm. It's political correctness gone mad! :/
As I said, I don't agree with censorship, but choose your battles; I don't see any difference between this "what's okay to show pre-watershed?" censorship and exactly the same type of it we've always had. Throwing up arms like as if this represents some kind of qualitative shift in censorship norms for broadcasting (as opposed to private viewing) is just not justified by the facts at all.
Had a feeling so looked it up; Fawlty Towers was originally broadcast at 9pm, i.e. at the watershed line, meaning that even back in 1975 it wasn't considered appropriate viewing for an earlier more general audience.
It's political correctness gone mad!
Late 90’s MTV?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nNms9sTxeuc
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 01:08:16 PM
As I said, I don't agree with censorship, but choose your battles; I don't see any difference between this "what's okay to show pre-watershed?" censorship and exactly the same type of it we've always had. Throwing up arms like as if this represents some kind of qualitative shift in censorship norms for broadcasting (as opposed to private viewing) is just not justified by the facts at all.
Moving the discussion away from the show at hand and bringing it into the broader arena of broadcasting ethics and evolving tastes, there's the potentiality for there being a huge difference, though. Post watershed viewing simply puts a program behind an adult curtain as a forewarning of content. Removing a show entirely from your on demand service directly stymies the public's access to a previously widely available work and in doing so it suggests a certain level of cultural revisionism at the behest of any number of people who may theoretically be offended.
It's not a massive deal, of course, if you can still go out and buy the boxset. And there's another discussion within that when decisions like these take place and remind people that they don't actually fucking own anything anymore, such is the nature of streamed content. And, ultimately and somewhat cynically, at the end of the day it's commercial decisions made by corporations and not Nineteen Eighty-Four,
mann, but regardless it does seem to be a more emergent strain of this kind of censorship that - let's face it - is only going to get stronger.
The Mighty Boosh and League of Gentlemen have been removed entirely from Netflix in recent days because of perceived objectionable content. Even taking all the provisos above into account that
is still different from the show originally airing after dark on BBC Three because Noel Fielding said tits and bollocks and fanny fuck.
I appreciate too that tastes can work the other way, of course. A reefer on TV would have been sacrilege a few decades ago. Now there's a frankly unbearable number of sitcoms about how whacky and cool stoner culture is! :P
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 01:08:16 PM
Throwing up arms like as if this represents some kind of qualitative shift in censorship norms for broadcasting (as opposed to private viewing) is just not justified by the facts at all.
Except it is justified though. Seriously lad, it's an entirely reasonable opinion to voice, especially in the context of a thread titled "The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade". The trend that has developed over the last few days would tend to suggest that a number of streaming platforms are now pulling content that may contain outdated racial depictions or attitudes, regardless of the context. Guaranteed by this time tomorrow, another few shows will have suffered the same fate. And where's the consistency here? If we're going to pull the German episode, what about the shifty, workshy Paddy depicted by David Kelly in another episode? Just pull the entire show so.
Pulling the Cork on the flags boy..... :abbath:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0612/1147040-cork-gaa-to-confiscate-confederate-flags-from-fans/
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 12, 2020, 02:45:43 PM
Pulling the Cork on the flags boy..... :abbath:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0612/1147040-cork-gaa-to-confiscate-confederate-flags-from-fans/
State of us in the photo in that article. I always hated that wild west shit that was a hangover from 80s poverty Ireland where we'd just grab anything with red on it and wave it around at the hurling. The yanks, the Danes, the Swiss. They're all represented in that shot :laugh:.
Black pudding is still safe, ya?
Quote from: John Kimble on June 12, 2020, 02:42:42 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 01:08:16 PM
Throwing up arms like as if this represents some kind of qualitative shift in censorship norms for broadcasting (as opposed to private viewing) is just not justified by the facts at all.
Except it is justified though. Seriously lad, it's an entirely reasonable opinion to voice, especially in the context of a thread titled "The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade". The trend that has developed over the last few days would tend to suggest that a number of streaming platforms are now pulling content that may contain outdated racial depictions or attitudes, regardless of the context. Guaranteed by this time tomorrow, another few shows will have suffered the same fate. And where's the consistency here? If we're going to pull the German episode, what about the shifty, workshy Paddy depicted by David Kelly in another episode? Just pull the entire show so.
It hasn't been pulled, and Gone With The Wind hasn't been "erased" as I actually saw some conservative commentators claiming yesterday. For broadcast at 7:30pm, one episode is to have some offensive language edited. Gone With The Wind is to be rebroadcast, intact with some contextualization.
Here's a truth to bear in mind: if what is actually happening is bad enough to merit disapproval, then any source which is wilfully exaggerating and distorting what is actually happening is doing so to manipulate you. I can live in a world where "nigger" is a faux-pas word on television; I'd prefer not to live in this world where blatant lying is a common and transparent practice, but people don't even bother to check anymore. Stick to what is really happening, as far as you have heard it, follow it up if that is easy to do; no one is expecting perfect knowledge on a given topic, but a bit of effort in this day and age when we know full well how invested left and right leaning tabloid media are in manipulating us.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 12, 2020, 02:45:43 PM
Pulling the Cork on the flags boy..... :abbath:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0612/1147040-cork-gaa-to-confiscate-confederate-flags-from-fans/
Still be plenty of Japanese Rising Sun Flags at the games to even things out. Up the Rebels boy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
Some funny ones in this list, regarding film censorship and the reasons for it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 03:07:57 PM
It hasn't been pulled, and Gone With The Wind hasn't been "erased" as I actually saw some conservative commentators claiming yesterday. For broadcast at 7:30pm, one episode is to have some offensive language edited. Gone With The Wind is to be rebroadcast, intact with some contextualization.
Here's a truth to bear in mind: if what is actually happening is bad enough to merit disapproval, then any source which is wilfully exaggerating and distorting what is actually happening is doing so to manipulate you. I can live in a world where "nigger" is a faux-pas word on television; I'd prefer not to live in this world where blatant lying is a common and transparent practice, but people don't even bother to check anymore. Stick to what is really happening, as far as you have heard it, follow it up if that is easy to do; no one is expecting perfect knowledge on a given topic, but a bit of effort in this day and age when we know full well how invested left and right leaning tabloid media are in manipulating us.
Oh for fuck sake, where do I start? (To be fair, maybe I didn't articulate my point well enough). First of all, when I meant pulled, I wasn't specifically referring to just one episode of Fawlty Towers, it was kind of an all-encompassing statement covering stuff that definitely has been pulled (see Little Britain), stuff that's been edited or under review, and other material that is likely to fall under one of these categories. I don't have any inclination to watch Gone with the Wind anytime soon, but should I wish to do so, I'd rather not have to do so with the benefit of whatever form of contextualisation the broadcaster deems necessary. I'm also fully aware that should I wish to do so, there are other ways available to access this material...but why should I have to when I'm paying a streaming subscription. I'm 40 years of age, so I do remember a time when there was real, actual oppressive censorship in this country...see Life of Brian, the Exorcist, Playboy, etc...so you really don't need to patronise to me what exactly constitutes censorship in it's truest form. Nor do I need the condescending little explainer/pep talk re: fact checking and research. What I'm getting at is what Airneanach more eloquently stated as "Moving the discussion away from the show at hand and bringing it into the broader arena of broadcasting ethics and evolving tastes, there's the potentiality for there being a huge difference, though. Post watershed viewing simply puts a program behind an adult curtain as a forewarning of content. Removing a show entirely from your on demand service directly stymies the public's access to a previously widely available work and in doing so it suggests a certain level of cultural revisionism at the behest of any number of people who may theoretically be offended."
And if we're going to be pedantic about things, then UKTV themselves stated" UKTV has temporarily removed an episode of Fawlty Towers, The Germans, from Gold's Box Set". Regardless of whether it's temporary or not, removed or pulled...it's the same thing really, but it's clearly not the same thing as editing material so it can be shown before the watershed.
As I said elsewhere, if you don't like what your streaming subscription company are doing (and many even liberal critics have had a go at Netflix over this tokenism, which is what it is, as I said earlier; corporate tokenism), then cancel your subscription and let them know why. The broadcasting companies who have been doing the censoring have always been paid, incidentally, so it's not like that is new. What's new is that we're more demanding. In the past, the BBC could have just stopped doing reruns of something and no one ever would have been the wiser. So, if you want a "wider" conversation, then the nature of content providing has followed a jetspeed evolution compared to "censorship", and all this hoo-ha is much more a product of evolving media consumption than evolving social norms, which as far as I can see are trundling along at much the same pace they have been over the last 100 years.
So now a media service that we want to shovel shit into our brains on demand makes a token corporate gesture, and we lose our shit, even though the technological advances which allow for that media service to exist mean we can pretty much watch whatever we want from a multitude of sources. I dunno, you really think you've got your finger on the pulse going mad over what a corporation decides you can't access at the touch of button A rather than button B on your infinite horizon to mass media consumption??
Again it's not ruining anyone's life, but it is a potentially dicey signifier of where on demand content distribution and cultural gatekeeping could be headed more and more. It's a perfectly valid discussion to be having.
You've made a lot of decent points but the browbeating over freaking out over this, do your research etc is getting to be somewhat pedantic.
Jesus. OK, so to bring it closer to home, seeing as this is a metal forum...presumably if you had paid money to go see a band at a certain venue, and due to some tenuous connection that had been established between that band, or a member, or a former member, and say some right wing ideologies, the venue had decided to pull the gig entirely. You'd be entirely OK with that because, of course, you could just go see them on another tour at another venue. Or you could just watch them online. Or listen to one of their albums. I think it was mentioned on another thread, specifically aimed at yourself, about over-complicating a fairly straight forward issue. Like, fucking hell, you'd know you're working in academia because reading one of your posts would bring on a massive migraine. I'm just referring to a platform, broadcaster, whatever, bowing to some real (or even imagined) external pressure to bring its content in line with what is perceived to be culturally acceptible. And doing so without any consistency of approach. Don't be such a fucking twat lad, some people just want to discuss, you know, stuff.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 04:12:39 PM
As I said elsewhere, if you don't like what your streaming subscription company are doing (and many even liberal critics have had a go at Netflix over this tokenism, which is what it is, as I said earlier; corporate tokenism), then cancel your subscription and let them know why.
I'm not going to do that. Why? I'm not that bothered. Bothered enough to take a few minutes out of my day to write a post about it on this forum but it's not a personal crusade. Are you actually like this in your day to day interactions with real people? Like if your missus came home from Lidl and told you about some bad experience she had with another customer in the car park, do you start quoting Hegel at her?
Anyone ever seen the spike Milligan sit com Curry and Chips? You'll never see that on telly. Spike blacks up and plays this indian who is half Irish. The theme tune is Danny boy but in an Indian style
"Ooooh Danny boy...the popadooms are calling"
The first joke is about a guy talking about day time saving and if they sent them back to Africa they'd get an extra hour of light. There's another guy who was called a racist because he "called a wog a coon."
Ah John:) Class.
I took a picture of my young lad after getting his hair cut today, he looks like a little hitlerjugend recruit. My first instinct was to try to use it to somehow trigger Juggz (great poster, nothing personal) and Chris (who is normal in the flesh).
Perhaps I'm the sad bastard.
If you have people exaggerating the source story, you can't have a discussion, so it's good to make sure everyone has the basics straight, that's all.
On demand content provision is headed more and more where TV has already been; getting as many people as possible watching stuff for as many hours as possible. Amplifying the cultural significance of TV and acting like it's more important than its corporate significance, well, I mean, we've all seen TV right? You think it has our cultural well-being in mind? It's product, pure and simple.
A concert venue gives about as much of a shit about one band that may lose it customers as a streaming service does about a show or two it can jettison for profit. Where there is a cultural investment in the artistic merit of the content, that would be a different matter; a gallery or a museum, for example. And, honestly, if I could see the band live next door only five minutes later, no, I wouldn't care too much, but I may decide to try to avoid the cancelling concert.
If you're not that bothered, then why get this bothered? Netflix and chill man! I'm just saying that from my point of view, censorship is not where the world is changing in the most significant way to be concerned about. Okay? You don't have to agree, but there it is. If my missus came home and told me about a bad experience she had at McDonald's, I'd ask her what the hell she'd been doing at McDonald's, no need for Hegel.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
If my missus came home and told me about a bad experience she had at McDonald's, I'd ask her what the hell she'd been doing at McDonald's, no need for Hegel.
Agreed, burger king have those addictive chilli cheese bites.
Tell you wor, though, next thing you know we won't be able to watch Del fall through the bar in case it upsets someone!
Quote from: John Kimble on June 12, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Like if your missus came home from Lidl and told you about some bad experience she had with another customer in the car park, do you start quoting Hegel at her?
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Whenever my wife tells me stories like that, I start quoting things from the bible and it drives her up the fucking wall
I just got kicked out of my house by the housekeeper, she can't work with the young lad. She's from Ecuador and it's my house (well, when I pay off the mortgage) and she used her Hispanic housekeeper privilege to send us to the boozer.
She just said 'please leave' and I just did it. Take a knee for large caomhín!
Quote from: The Butcher on June 12, 2020, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
If my missus came home and told me about a bad experience she had at McDonald's, I'd ask her what the hell she'd been doing at McDonald's, no need for Hegel.
Agreed, burger king have those addictive chilli cheese bites.
Actually, a better example would be if she came home and started complaining to me that McDonald's had stopped doing the McRib in order to go completely halal.
Agreed in return though, in the distant past when I went to such places, Burger King definitely did a better job of making their food seem good.
You do yourself no favours lad. Like black criminals.
And I like you.
I fancy a kfc right about now
Why would I be seeking favour here? The general discussion forum here keeps us coming back because people don't do themselves any favours, but at the same time no one is quite far enough out one way or the other for things to descend into pure hysterics, only just enough to get a few sparks going :abbath:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 12, 2020, 05:05:35 PM
I just got kicked out of my house by the housekeeper, she can't work with the young lad. She's from Ecuador and it's my house (well, when I pay off the mortgage) and she used her Hispanic housekeeper privilege to send us to the boozer.
She just said 'please leave' and I just did it. Take a knee for large caomhín!
there's sitcom levels of dynamics going on here!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 05:21:22 PM
Quote from: The Butcher on June 12, 2020, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 04:55:14 PM
If my missus came home and told me about a bad experience she had at McDonald's, I'd ask her what the hell she'd been doing at McDonald's, no need for Hegel.
Agreed, burger king have those addictive chilli cheese bites.
Actually, a better example would be if she came home and started complaining to me that McDonald's had stopped doing the McRib in order to go completely halal.
Agreed in return though, in the distant past when I went to such places, Burger King definitely did a better job of making their food seem good.
BK in Ireland is apparently better than a lot of other countries due to them using only Irish beef.
Of all the places I've had a quick and nasty burger (and there's been many), BK is pretty decent.
I am of the honest opinion that the XL Bacon Double Cheeseburger from BK is the actual King of Burgers. Ate three of them once and I was shitting grease after it. Worth it though for the taste.
They are amazing. I'm off bacon and cutting way down on red meat so I was going for their meat free burgers before the lockdown. Not bad at all, I have to say.
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Back on topic, I was thinking earlier about the action films of the 80s and 90s and their slightly misogynistic and at times racially questionable ethics, and how we all like to watch and laugh at them rather than thinking about how they may be potentially offensive to certain groups of people. You know, just take them as of their time and enjoy them for what they are. Will we get there with the racial stuff any time soon I wonder? I don't think black people in general couldn't look at a lot of this tv stuff being pulled at the minute and just take it with a pinch of salt, no more than say the Irish hardly give a fuck at how they have been portrayed in movies over the years. Well some of them probably do, but they can cop the fuck on.
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2020, 04:55:14 PMI'm just saying that from my point of view, censorship is not where the world is changing in the most significant way to be concerned about. Okay? You don't have to agree, but there it is. If my missus came home and told me about a bad experience she had at McDonald's, I'd ask her what the hell she'd been doing at McDonald's, no need for Hegel.
Again, I can only point you towards the thread title here if you can't see where I'm coming from. It's a bit like criticizing someone in the Pet Peeves thread for posting a pet peeve. I'm not positing for one second that censorship is the most significant concern of our time. It's not even in the top 100 of my current concerns, and certainly well short of how many hours kip will I get tonight with three young kids, will the three remaining beers in the fridge get me through this evening, have I deleted my internet search history recently, or is the green bin being collected tomorrow. I mean, I could equally argue why on earth should I be concerned about some American cop killing a black lad but, you know, perspective yeah?
And it was Lidl by the way, not McDonald's...but yeah, I'd bet you'd chew the fucking ear off her regardless, you sanctimonious prick :laugh: :laugh: (the emoji indicates no malice on my part, BTW)
Oh and lads, Burger King?? Ffs, absolute muck. The fucking state of their chips. McDonald's is also muck, but it's tastier muck than BK, and def hits the spot on occasion. Anyone who works night shifts, a Big Mac at 3am is the absolute business.
It's like Steve Hughes says about being offended; it's entirely subjective. To me, the perpetually offended around here are the very ones bumping this thread every time they see others offended! That said, all this PC stuff is very silly, very shallow, very pointless really. Whatever about blackface and African-Americans, when I see Irish people get up in arms over having the piss taken out of them in some intended-to-be humorous way, I'm just wishing someone would strip them of their passport tbh!
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They are amazing. I'm off bacon and cutting way down on red meat so I was going for their meat free burgers before the lockdown. Not bad at all, I have to say.
can you give me a quick run down on the meat free burger
It's one of those plant-based burgers, tastes and has the same consistency of a regular burger to me. I was skeptical beforehand but it'd be my go-to when I go there next.
It's Always Sunny is currently in the process of being ethically cleansed as well.
There is a certain irony in coming here to be annoyed by others getting offended, I agree. But fuck em, a sense of humour is vitally important and I feel like a lot of what is going on now regarding censorship is being pushed by people who are simply lacking a sense of humour and an inner monologue and I'd like to say fuck em let em at it, but it's shaping the world in which I live in ways I'm not fond of in principle.
Here is a mildly humorous anecdote: I was at home one halloween night and to get into the spirit of things, I painted my face entirely black (not minstrel style) for answering the door to the trick or treaters. Lo and behold the first 3 kids to the door happen to be black. All they said was "whoa you're scary!". You see they never thought it was racist because they knew me anyway, they just thought the obvious. Continually bringing racism to the fore of everything will surely only perpetuate it instead of consigning it to the history bin and moving on.
That said, the Irish lad in Braveheart fries the head off me. :(
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I know how you feel.
Even nostalgia isn't what it used to be!
Quote from: astfgyl on June 12, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
It's Always Sunny is currently in the process of being ethically cleansed as well.
Fuck sake. And maybe it's just me, but I actually don't find "blackface" racist and those that do are just whingebags.
And while what's happening isn't necessarily the Oxford dictionary version of censorship, let's call a spade a spade, it is. If you want to over-analyse it or rationalise it, fair enough.
As an aside, The Catcher in the Rye was at one point the most studied and simultaneously banned book in America.
As another aside, as it was mentioned earlier, is Huckleberry Finn banned?
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Quote from: astfgyl on June 12, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
It's Always Sunny is currently in the process of being ethically cleansed as well.
Fuck sake. And maybe it's just me, but I actually don't find "blackface" racist and those that do are just whingebags.
And while what's happening isn't necessarily the Oxford dictionary version of censorship, let's call a spade a spade, it is. If you want to over-analyse it or rationalise it, fair enough.
I don't think blackface is racist either. It's only done as a parody, not as an affront. I actually doubt Al Jolson felt racist at all when he was doing it, and even if it can be seen as racist, I don't think he was doing it as an affront to black people. We have to look at ourselves in this as well. I bet nobody here who is Irish gives a shit about how we are portrayed in the media, unless the acting is bad, and equally only thick cunts believe media stereotypes about people, and prefer instead to take each person on their own merits regardless of what they think they know about them as a race. Say I go for a pint with some German lad for example and who knows he might even be funny once before the night is out. People need to open their fucking minds a bit. So some cunt dresses up as an irish farmer or a leprechaun or a famine victim or something equally stereotypically Irish? So fucking what! He might still be grand to watch the match with or he loves the same tunes as me or whatever. We need to be focusing on the things we have in common with others rather than the things that divide us all. The fucking nitpicking mindset seems to be the rule these days.
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Sure look, even Jolson himself is taking the knee these days..
Look, we can dress it up all we want, we can cancel subscriptions and talk til the cows come home, but if we're honest, we all know this cancelling/banning/deplatforming, whatever you want to call it is insidious, nasty shit. Fawlty fucking Towers for fuck sakes. Sickening, weak, nasty worms of people who want to tell us all how to think and feel. It's the same type who asks you to please stop cursing in a bar. No I'm an adult I'll talk whatever I want after a few pints. Fuck Off!
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Quote from: Pedrito on June 12, 2020, 11:56:42 PM
Look, we can dress it up all we want, we can cancel subscriptions and talk til the cows come home, but if we're honest, we all know this cancelling/banning/deplatforming, whatever you want to call it is insidious, nasty shit. Fawlty fucking Towers for fuck sakes. Sickening, weak, nasty worms of people who want to tell us all how to think and feel. It's the same type who asks you to please stop cursing in a bar. No I'm an adult I'll talk whatever I want after a few pints. Fuck Off!
I fully agree with you on this.
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They're trying to fight racism using segregation, do these people not understand how fucking ridiculous that concept is :laugh:.
It would be funny if it wasn't representative of how weird things are actually getting.
No fuck it, it's still funny :laugh:
Such an odd, illogical backwards step. The cult of self ain't a healthy place to be.
I actually know a white lad who says he identifies more as a black person. Is that racist? The fact that he sees the two as different at all, I mean.
Can we put an end to it all now by simply saying nobody can be referred to by colour at all and it's all just left so we can move on? Like with true equality we end up referring to no one at all as anything at all. No more BLM, no more White lives matter too, no more LGBTQ+ and no more male female. No one gets referred to as trans so anyone who is trans doesn't get to use it as a stick to beat people with, they just have to get on with it and receive no attention for the switch and nobody gets to say I'm white or pink or brown or yellow or green or anything else because even if they do happen to be in the minority with that, making reference to it will only foster the sense of there being differences between us all. A fella won't even get to be gay or straight, he won't even be a gender it's just a person put their non gender specific mickey into someone else in some way and that's it. And religion as well fuck it leave no stone unturned, everyone just does their own thing around that too without promoting any aspect of it because that could be seen to be excluding anyone who isn't the same. And so on
Sounds fair.
We watch the news report and "today a human did a thing to a human, some other humans are looking for a human and anyone who saw one is to contact them and we can't say where they were because that might be construed as being a bit geographical locationist, so if anyone saw a person in a place, get on to another human of any organisation because we want to be inclusive with who can be contacted in the event of a human doing a thing to another human anywhere" ??
Next thing we know the fucking transhumans kick off.....
I dunno, everyone just needs to cop on. A lot.
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It's about reminding young people that they are part of a wide and diverse society and that respect isn't a god given right, but a two way street. It's something earned. Trying to brainwash everyone into not seeing things like race or sexuality is not only unrealistic, it's weird, because there isn't anything actually wrong with these things. It's even ok to be a straight white male, believe it or not. There seems to me to be a strange combination of narcissism and self- loathing at play among the perpetually offended. It's a really unhealthy outlook to have. They need to read some Jordan Peterson and take a bit of responsibility for themselves, raise their own self esteem a bit and not worry so much about other people's opinions, either real or perceived. A good healthy dose of reality will help. And a good honest job with lots of heavy lifting.
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I understand the problem completely. Being in a state of constant offence at things that are beyond your control is an unhealthy way to live. Being so upset by a joke that you demand someone needs to lose their job is an unhealthy way to live. Realising you have a minimum amount of control over those around you (though why a normal functioning adult would want to have such control is another issue, I'm sure) but that you can actually effect some positive change in your own life by taking certain measures and changing your perspective on things is a more mature and healthy approach to your existence that will benefit you in many ways, not least of all in terms of your mental health. And as I've said countless times before, avoiding often malignant environments like Facebook and Twitter is a good place to start. Clean your bedroom, innit.
I don't subscribe to your world view, or from what you have shown of it on this forum. It's too pessimistic for me. I'm possibly too stupid for such grand musings anyway, and I'm fine with that. I'm happy to take stock of the simple things in life because that is what works for me, basically.
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I find that line of thinking pointless and counter productive on a personal level, which is what we are discussing here. Ignoring so called 'deeper levels' (deeper levels of what?) and focusing on your daily reality, as in the reality of day to day existence that most people agree on like work life, family life, paying bills, exercising, hobbies and interests etc, there is so much you can do to improve your own perception of the world. It's about making specific choices and sacrifices to improve your own state of mind regardless of the matrix or whatever you think is operating behind the scenes, as that stuff is beyond the grasp of most people anyway. I don't think you even need to be hugely radical in your lifestyle changes either, you can vastly improve your life with small, incremental compromises that lead in a better direction. Choosing the victim mentality is a dead end road. You will never achieve any sort of self satisfaction if you spend your life blaming the world around you for how bad everything is in your own life. Some stuff is out of your control, certainly. But there's plenty of stuff you have control over if you choose a slightly- and I mean very slightly- more proactive mindset.
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Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 23, 2020, 08:08:05 AM
Being so upset by a joke that you demand someone needs to lose their job is an unhealthy way to live.
And on that note, if you can get someone sacked for having a different opinion to you, you are neither a victim, nor oppressed. Something most of the folks viewing themselves as such fail to realise.
I wholeheartedly agree with that upward striving notion though. Find things to fight for, rather than against. Do something to fill the world with more of what you want to see, instead of trying to rid it of the things you want to see less of.
While being on the watch for an outside threat, don't forget to actually be what you are trying to preserve. Something along those lines. Seems like a far healthier state of being to me anyway.
That's it, Bigmac. There's a lot wrong in the world, there's too much for most individuals to be able to tackle in any meaningful way. But you can choose your own mindset and choosing the victim mindset is probably very satisfying in the short term but it's not much of a life philosophy. Most people aren't really looking at the bigger picture anyway, even the virtue signallers who pretend to be concerned about every issue doing the rounds, so if you can get your immediate environment looking and feeling reasonable then you're on the right track. Positivity and creativity can have a knock on effect and inspire other people around you as well. Showing people simple ways of making improvements is more likely to inspire them rather than screaming endlessly about how oppressed you are.
I can see how Peterson helps a lot of individuals by telling them what they should do, and I've nothing against that per se. But he certainly exacerbates the wider situation by telling just as many individuals how they shouldn't feel. Just not very wise, but very biblical.
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Having read the 12 rules thing ages ago, there were a few parts I liked, but it all seemed like common sense to me, wrapped up in some sort of newer package for modern times. Hardly groundbreaking, so I found it hard to understand the associated worship.
It also seems he's been unable to take his own advice, and fell on chaotic times. If I was selling someone a product, and it failed whilst I was demonstrating it, I wouldn't expect them to buy it.
Right so.
Quote from: Bigmac on June 23, 2020, 09:26:42 AM
Having read the 12 rules thing ages ago, there were a few parts I liked, but it all seemed like common sense to me, wrapped up in some sort of newer package for modern times. Hardly groundbreaking, so I found it hard to understand the associated worship.
It also seems he's been unable to take his own advice, and fell on chaotic times. If I was selling someone a product, and it failed whilst I was demonstrating it, I wouldn't expect them to buy it.
I think he has been inspirational for many people by trying to redirect their focus towards positive personal change. Simple as that. He has fallen on chaotic times, as you say, but that's ok, he's only human. I think it's a testament to his own message of human weakness actually. Everyone struggles. It's how you try to wrestle with that throughout your life, which is important. Dunno, I was half joking when I mentioned him earlier as I knew he'd wind people up and I don't really want to derail the conversation, but as with any message being given, you take what works for you and the rest falls by the wayside.
I wonder how much of it is that in the last decade or so, opportunities open to younger people have been either closed off, the road to "success" has been lengthened hugely or it's just noticeably not as "fruitful" a pathway as it was for their parents...the bootstrap pulling no longer works the way it used to, frustrated that they feel they have zero control over major aspects of their lives in terms of financial well being, getting a secure roof over their heads and staring into the abyss of a gig economy with zero job security or pension etc etc...they begin to head down into these social avenues where they feel or sense that they have a greater control over? Part of the reason why we are witnessing some obsessively going deep down into this rabbit hole with bizarre/negative outcomes?
I don't mind Petersons ideas around personal responsibility at all, the concepts he brings up all seems fine on a surface level and might boost a minor % of the population which would be great but applied against the backdrop of an economy that seems increasingly set against us plebs as time goes on, I just don't think it's the antidote, in fact I think there is no silver bullet unless we can find a way to use the internet to our advantage as a collective when it comes to political change to improve our quality of life and quality of outcome etc. Probably for another thread.
Very valid points there, yep. I still don't think the solution being chosen is going to yield positive results for anyone but your assessment of the causes has some sense to it.
He's not infallible, and there might be some pseudoscience in there but apart from the common sense approach to self improvement, much of his appeal is his willingness to provide a vocal alternative to the neo-NKVD destroying all opposition of thought on the far left.
I enjoy him immensely, but he's a fan of Jung so he's unlikely to hold up as much of a scientist, granted. As Andy says, take from him what works for you, and millions have done to their benefit.
Does he possess the intellect of Zizek or Foucault? Maybe not, but he's a shite sight more accessible and relatable to the man on the street than those two.
Did he not disappear for months then turn up in a panopticon in Russia rattled from gear or is that someone else
Speaking of Zizek, the much touted Peterson vs Zizek debate was an interesting one. Zizek was much more accessible and relatable during the opening speeches (Peterson, not for the first time, just went off on what seemed like an improvised ramble), but then during the discussion, aul sniffles totally abandoned that pragmatic focus and went off on his hifalutin references and concepts. The whole thing ended up being a non-event as a result.
As Butcher hinted at above, when your schtick consists of telling everyone that they can improve themselves just by tidying the bedroom of their lives, well, there's only so far that can go within a system structured such that not everyone can succeed at that game. It's the same American dream angle I criticized in the 200 page thread about nothing; the American dream is built on the fact that it can't work for everyone. Rather, those who do get it to work for themselves do so, ultimately, to the detriment of many others, whether or not they are conscious of it. Rather than Peterson representing an opposition to the "cult of the self", most of his detractors would say that he just represents a more classical, "conservative" denomination of that same general cult.
All that said, someone falling off the wagon doesn't detract anything from the value of their work, so anyone having a pop at him over that really isn't worth the time of day. But... you will find that his followers are a hotbed for precisely the kind of "if you're in the shit, it's your own damn fault" mentality that explains why, in general, we treat drug addicts more like criminals than people who are ill.
So is it a form of misdirected rage with people taking their frustration at a system that is rigged against them out on ordinary civilians rather than the government? Is there consolation to be derived from having a voice, regardless of how insane a voice that is, as they howl into the void? It's nutty however you slice it.
A lot of this meaningless and 'the system is rigged against me' stuff, especially in the West is complete horseshit though. If you took a job only in Starbucks or McDonalds and stuck at it for a number of years. If you saved, put money away, stopped spending on needless bollox, analysed your bills, found the cheapest ways to educate yourself, stopped boozing and doing drugs etc etc etc then you could build up a fairly comfortable and enjoyable life for yourself. Would you be doing what you love..maybe not. But satisfaction and success is in the eye of the beholder. I know people who cone from places that make Dublin look like paradise on earth. Where abductions and murders are a part of everyday life. The mere fact that we get to lounge around writing drawn out paragraphs upon paragraphs about it should tell us all we need to know about taht, and trust me I'm as guilty as anyone with it. You can spend your life moaning, yes some people are born into squalor and degredation, plenty make something of themselves. It's far from perfect but this idea that we have no control over it is defeatist nonsense that a day's work in the bog would cure most of us of.
You've just reformulated what I said but with a positive rather than negative spin on it.
QuoteIf you saved, put money away, stopped spending on needless bollox, analysed your bills, found the cheapest ways to educate yourself, stopped boozing and doing drugs etc etc etc then you could build up a fairly comfortable and enjoyable life for yourself.
As I said, a fairly comfortable and enjoyable life isn't possible for everyone; there isn't enough comfortable housing for everyone, for starters.
I'm absolutely not moaning about my lot in life, and I don't get the impression that anyone here is, but the point - the point that Peterson doesn't address afaik - is how to move towards a better society in a more insightful way than just pushing every individual to bootstrap themselves up. It's similar to a point I made about government policy regarding coronavirus measures; part of the role of the government is to predict that many individuals won't do what is best for society if left to their own devices, and so, for the sake of society, you have to think of something more robust.
The idea of working in Starbucks or McDonalds for years and years is a picture of hell for a large part of humanity, and rather than saying "Tough luck!", I think we should be quite glad that, as docile as the average person can be rendered, we're not actually
that docile. In a way, you couldn't really pick any two better examples of corporations where the sense of alienation and awareness of the abuse of selling one's own labour for less than it is worth must be practically visceral on a daily basis for the ground staff. Apologies for the direct references to Marx there, but whatever we might think of his specific elaboration of the idea, he at least looked at the economic and psychological misery of the average exploited "have-not" worker and got to thinking about potential societies in which it wouldn't have to be a necessary and integral part.
So, while there are arguments to be made for each individual having control over their own situation, there is much less of an argument to be made for all individuals having control. If you think about that situation from a position of world leader (whether political or financial or masonic or whatever), either you have to re-engineer policy to change the lot of whatever "random" sample of individuals remain on the necessary lowest tier, certainly disturbing all other tiers in the process, or else you endorse the current policy which has set things that way. And given that, whoever they may in reality be, those world leaders are all on the highest tier, it's hardly surprising which option the majority of them choose.
From my perspective, every time someone responds to the current situation with an appeal to individual responsibility, they're really just missing the bigger picture which is that what is best for society is unlikely to emerge from individual responsibility within a system where the most universal sign of achievement is extraneous material possession.
You´ re going for the melodramatic again with the ` economic and psychological misery of the average exploited "have-not" worker´. In Starbucks? McDonalds? I think that´ s very much in the eye of the beholder. You could choose to see it all that way or you could go to work everyday with a smile on your face, put in a decent effort, likely get a promotion, and have some money in your pocket at the end of the week. Now, we´ re talking about manual work here. It´ s not easy, but standing in an air conditioned premises, serving coffee, getting tips, in a generally positive atmosphere is far from the worst job that anyone could do. I have never encountered anyone shouting or threatening staff in all my years walking into a Starbucks. Nighttime Macdonalds is another kettle of fish entirely. I get your arguments, I´ m certainly not entirely opposed to elements of them but a little bit of perspective wouldn´ t go amiss.
I´ ve personally worked in hotels and restaurants: hall porter, kitchen porter, waiter, bar staff, security, call centres, the bog, I spent a summer picking strawberries as a young fella. I think of all the jobs that I see that can be the most brutal are usually of the fruit picking variety and we now have temprorary seasonal workers brought in from abroad to take care of that. Back breaking work. The likes of Starbucks or Maccie D´ s would be far more manageable, and I would add that any kitchen work is tough, be it some fancy arse spot, a vegan spot or Maccie D´ s. It´ s all the same slog.
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QuoteApologies for the direct references to Marx there, but whatever we might think of his specific elaboration of the idea, he at least looked at the economic and psychological misery of the average exploited "have-not" worker and got to thinking about potential societies in which it wouldn't have to be a necessary and integral part.
What are these potential societies and what form do they take? And I´ m geniunely asking out of interest. (Please do not say Venezuela, Cuba, former Soviet Union, China, Vietnam or your post will be automatically deleted) :laugh:
What are these potential societies and what form do they take? And I´ m geniunely asking out of interest. (Please do not say Venezuela, Cuba, former Soviet Union, China, Vietnam or your post will be automatically deleted) :laugh:
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You need to get out onto the bog, smell the heather, a nice ham sandwich and a flask of tea to get your mind off all that stuff. That kind of thinking is only tying yourself up in knots.
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Quote from: Pedrito on June 23, 2020, 03:48:44 PM
You´ re going for the melodramatic again with the ` economic and psychological misery of the average exploited "have-not" worker´. In Starbucks? McDonalds?
Soul-destroying corporatism is in the eye of the beholder? Perhaps. But I think there is a strong objective case to be made for an observation that has been made since the 19th century (this time by FN rather than KM, you'll be glad to hear); the most wasted resource on earth is the human mind. What I was trying to get across, and mugz has put it perfectly just two posts above, is that I think anyone working in McDonald's or Starbucks incapable of contextualizing their shiny-happy-suddenly-eco-aware workplace within the global society it's emblematic of, who just go through it with a smile, shouldn't be seen as a positive sign of human resilience and optimism, but as a symptom of the kind of engineered docility that is worked into the economy. So, sure, it is possible to work at McDonald's and be happy, but that itself is a crime to the potential of the human mind, from my point of view. And yeah, that's a melodramatic perspective... but it's also uncompromising, which is what it has to be, because uncompromising is what
they, the multifarious Koolade factory owners, are.
In short, the way I see the world today, if your first port of call for improving things is prodding individuals to just buck up, then you're 100% playing the game that has been imposed from above. I've regularly worked 16 hour days for days straight to get past particular obstacles and arrive where I am now (which, financially speaking, is nothing at all to speak of), but it would be ludicrous for me to tell everyone to do that, because the reason I had to do it is precisely because there's very little room at the top (edit: I should say middle, as I'm still several obstacles away from the "top" and will likely never make it there), but loads and loads and loads of room at the bottom, all of which has to be occupied in order for things to work. That's the fact of the matter.
Ok all great points and I´ ve certainly felt like a cog in the wheel at many stages throughout my life. The Nietzschean perspective is by his own admission reserved for the few as opposed to the masses. I´ m not so sure he was pushing everyone towards it. So we have hierarchy, an that certainly has it´ s ills..a society somewhat similar to ours in which money and wealth is really the true freedom. Or else we have a society where everything is equally shared and it raises the obvious issue of competition, and the lack of competition not pushing people to overcome and better themselves, the very point Nietzsche was making. I think you´ ve hit the nail on the head saying there is plenty of room at the bottom and very little at the top, though it could be argued that at least one has a path to the top, despite all the obstacles, whereas in societies where everything is equal, that is supposedly anulled?
I´ m still waiting for this type of society that could solve all these ills. I´ d actually love to live in one like it. Does it exist? And don´´ t say Norway either with their low population and endless resources or Switzerland with their banking system and Nazi gold :abbath:
You can't have a society where everything is equal. Everything is not equal. But you can have a system where achievement isn't measured above all else by owning stuff. And by (let's just run with controversial vocab) purifying the mental/spiritual state of the broadest common denominator, you lift the mental/spiritual state of the exceptions. One way of reading those parts of Nietzsche is that the exceptions are a function of the mass, meaning that the nature of the former is informed by the nature of the latter. Pride in national athleticism is a decent example here; it stems from a few exceptional individuals, who will be all the more exceptional depending on the average level of athleticism in the national population, and what it encourages the mass towards is something that is of good mental and physical benefit to both the individual and the whole. But you first, as was the case in, say, the Greek city-states, need a society, and therefore a mass, which has athletic health as an integral built-in social value. Now compare to competition within capitalism under the powerful influence of consumerist marketing; the mass, more than anything else, is encouraged towards possessing more, they are literally surrounded by cues to consume and this is what they aspire to (in other words, marketing works). And what kind of exceptions rise up from this mass? Well, just look around at what passes for a cultural and/or intellectual elite today compared to even 30 or 50 years ago and compare to how we regard celebrities (more than ever of whom are famous literally only because they were made famous in order to increase the number of celebrities) and their lifestyles.
You can't lift the mass by prodding individual members of it. It requires engineering, vision, a shift in perspective away from chastising individuals in the lowest tiers and towards something, well, grander.
Lads, your dystopian versions of reality are so far from my own experience that it's hilarious. It's like you are describing some other distant planet. What's the gravity like over there?
I can't even make an argument as we are describing two distinct and utterly irreconcilable realities. No wonder you find all this PC horseshite legitimate. If my experience of life was as bleak as all that I'd be equally deranged I'm sure.
My sympathies to you both.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 23, 2020, 05:46:11 PM
Lads, your dystopian versions of reality are so far from my own experience that it's hilarious. It's like you are describing some other distant planet. What's the gravity like over there?
I can't even make an argument as we are describing two distinct and utterly irreconcilable realities. No wonder you find all this PC horseshite legitimate. If my experience of life was as bleak as all that I'd be equally deranged I'm sure.
My sympathies to you both.
I don't think I could possibly enjoy life any more than I do! :laugh:
And I don't care about the PC stuff either. But that's the thing; I genuinely
don't care about it. It's all local phenomena, local in space, local in time, and reaction to it is almost universally just as local and misguided and over-wrought. I'm wrestling in the mud here, but I've no vested interest (and I know I'm not the only one in these discussions in that boat) in who wins; just enjoying it for what it is! Attempted psych-outs included ;)
For someone with no vested interest in it you have fairly heavily contributed to the discussion :o
I simply can't buy into the argument that people who are happy or content only actually think they are but really they are miserable because the power structure yada yada yada... fucking meaningless nonsense. It's impossible to make any kind of point against such insincere, invalid arguments. A waste of oxygen from all sides really.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 23, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
can't buy into the argument that people who are happy or content only actually think they are but really they are miserable because the power structure yada yada yada
Ah, yeah, I see how you got that from what I said. It's not exactly what I intended. People who think they are happy are happy; what I was saying is that the tendency towards docility that allows them to be (genuinely) happy, despite being exploited for someone else's profit, all the while helping to sell a product that is ultimately harmful to humans and the planet, is abused by the owners of corporations, abused by the architects of consumer capitalism. Folk disgruntled with the least well-off in society would, imo, do better to focus on that level of things rather than encouraging them to jump into the machine to be ground up, so to speak :P. It is, in fact, an optimistic view of the possibility of a much better, cleaner, healthier, more mentally stimulating, less docile society. But it's one that I don't believe can be brought about by any method sold by the likes of Peterson, Pinker, Harris, all of the 'IDW' aimed at "individual" improvement. All they're selling is how to up your game within the current game, which is a game I personally know how to get on just fine with. But I can still imagine much, much better games. That's where I'm coming from.
Yeah but that's an entirely separate argument. We are operating within this particular structure. They are offering a way to deal with that for people who may be struggling within it. I mean, would it be better for them to say, just sit there in your despair and wait for a massive revolution to come and fix all the problems that exist in society and reconfigure the way it is structured so that you'll be on a more even footing? That is about as helpful as mugz's tangled web of misery that he has woven for himself. Who does it benefit?
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Nice act.
I think Tangled Web of Misery is the name of Mgla's next album actually :abbath:
We've had people to help the individual along their way since the 50s. As far as I can see, none of the 'IDW' folk address the deeper societal questions, some because they actually think that the structure we have today is the best we've ever had/could ever imagine, if only every individual would just play its part. Their solution, Pinker's for example, from what I've gathered from him, would just be to lift everyone up, but up in purely economic terms, also known as consumer terms. Apart from any subjective moral disagreement with that goal, I personally don't think it's environmentally sustainable to go in that direction, yet I don't hear those guys stating loud and clear what I think anyone with true insight should be stating at this point in history; we need to drastically reduce consumption, re-engineer society, find fulfillment in something other than possession, and measure our progress by how many of the worst off we can lift to that place: let's get started!
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You're boiling every facet of existence down to your position in the social pecking order, as if your bank account somehow equates directly with your level of happiness. That truly is a grim and meagre assessment of the multifaceted experience of living. To get such a mean level of pleasure or inspiration from the best things in life- music, books, food, sex, relationships, work, responsibility, mental stimulation and growth- is the thing that I find appalling but I don't spend loads of time worrying about who has what or where I stand on the social ladder. I just get on with being. If what you are offering is the flipside of my philosophy, then I think I'm on the right track.
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I'm in agreement with Pedro and McLove. Working in McD's or wherever might seem like a soul sucking job to some but if people are content (not docile) about it, credit to them. Not everybody should be the type to question all around them. Otherwise nothing would get done, or you end up like Mugz haha. Society would fall apart if we were all to question the status quo in philosophical terms. It's great for a debate or a thesis but it's miles away from important in reality. At least in Ireland, everybody has access to improve their lot, even within this supposedly cruel and unfair society.
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No Tayto crisps.
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Quote from: Juggz on June 23, 2020, 08:06:14 PM
No Tayto crisps.
So there is an upside to the elimination of humanity after all.
Reading back here and my view is similar to what Pedrito and McLove are saying as well. I have a severe problem with mistrusting everything I see outside of my own bubble, but that is ultimately unimportant as long as I can get on and have a level of joy in my own existence. I go to work, my kids go to school, me and my wife are in good health. My job isn't great, isn't shit either. It all boils down to how I perceive it. I have a small few proper good friends instead of a thousand acquaintances and none of us offend each other while constantly ripping the shit out of each other in the most offensive possible ways. I don't go in for any philosophy but my own at the end of the day. I read things and they influence me sometimes or set me off thinking sideways about things. I don't like the way everything is gone militant far beyond the point of common sense. The differences between us all are to be celebrated and perhaps we may even learn something from each other or just revel in the pointlessness of empty shite talk and there is beauty in that. We can look for the beauty in it all or we can look for what is bad in it all. I firmly believe in live and let live as a general rule and if someone is on a buzz I just can't get on with, I just don't bother with them because it gives me the bad vibes if I do bother. I really don't care about them at the end of the day. The people who are offended constantly by things must really be craving validation from those whom they are offended by and fuck sake get a life, get your own life and try to live to enjoy it.
This is the word of no one in particular. Thanks be to god etc
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Everybody deserves to be treated equally. It doesn't matter if they are black, brown, yellow or normal.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 23, 2020, 09:36:32 PM
Everybody deserves to be treated equally. It doesn't matter if they are black, brown, yellow or normal.
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Wait, what about the red lads..
Quote from: astfgyl on June 23, 2020, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 23, 2020, 09:36:32 PM
Everybody deserves to be treated equally. It doesn't matter if they are black, brown, yellow or normal.
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Wait, what about the red lads..
Ah, the old Rockstars. They were a good buzz.
Quote from: mugz on June 23, 2020, 06:53:26 PM
I'm appalled anyone finds this realm 'happy'. but I'm not surprised. I'll be glad to go. When you're dead you don't have to compromise. I'll probably end up in hell with Jordan Peterson.
Used to think like that myself. The world is just set up so fucking wrong it would drive you round the bend.
But you can make yourself happy by weeding out all the shit from your life and help people or create something or just enjoy simple things. You've only got one shot at it. Don't fuck it up.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 23, 2020, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 23, 2020, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 23, 2020, 09:36:32 PM
Everybody deserves to be treated equally. It doesn't matter if they are black, brown, yellow or normal.
:laugh:
Wait, what about the red lads..
Ah, the old Rockstars. They were a good buzz.
They were grand actually. I'd forgotten about those
So we were talking about menial labour earlier and a perfect example has arisen in relation to the new mayor of Dublin Hazel Chu.
Her parents immigrated from Hong Kong in the 70´ s to an Ireland booming with employment opportunities one would imagine. Both parents worked 2 jobs to send both their kids to college, in kitchens. 1 shift in a kitchen in a day is tough enough, I can´ t imagine 2. I´ m sure they had plenty of horrible days, but they kept plugging. The odds were stackd against them and they overcame...is this not a life well lived?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Chu
Nah, it's affirmative action taken to the extreme /s
Quote from: Pedrito on June 23, 2020, 10:14:36 PM
So we were talking about menial labour earlier and a perfect example has arisen in relation to the new mayor of Dublin Hazel Chu.
Her parents immigrated from Hong Kong in the 70´ s to an Ireland booming with employment opportunities one would imagine. Both parents worked 2 jobs to send both their kids to college, in kitchens. 1 shift in a kitchen in a day is tough enough, I can´ t imagine 2. I´ m sure they had plenty of horrible days, but they kept plugging. The odds were stackd against them and they overcame...is this not a life well lived?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Chu
Just bear in mind that if everyone at the bottom worked as hard as them, the main thing that would change is that you'd just have to work twice as hard again to scrape your way out of it. The exceptional individuals will always exist. Their existence is not evidence that society is structured in the best possible way to provide the best experience of life to the most amount of people, which of course is a presumably unattainable ideal, but it's a worthy vector. In today's global society, that vector isn't even on the radar.
I'm not having a go at people who do menial labour at all, but what McDonald's and Starbucks (I didn't choose the examples) represent isn't something which may or may not be soul-sucking in the eyes of some people; it is one of many embodiments of something that has been doing its best to suck the soul out of our culture and society for decades, as well as sucking the heart out of our global resources, and if you scrape just a little more into where those resources are often coming from, it's more than just figurative souls that are getting extinguished. I know, melodrama, but that's kind of my point; we have to be docile towards an exploitative structure in order to put up with everything we know - even if we quarantine it to the periphery of our awareness - they will stoop to in order to make a buck and push us, through tools of mass psychological propaganda, to desire and consume as much as we can. Which part of that is not what is actually happening in the world today? I hold in great suspicion any "thinker" of political, economic or social issues who doesn't see that as a situation which can and should be confronted head on and who isn't promoting open discussion of how to migrate to something with very different implications for how we inhabit and exploit our environment and its resources, including the human ones.
If we just pay them better for doing the menial shit will that fix it?
QuoteFordism is "the eponymous manufacturing system designed to spew out standardized, low-cost goods and afford its workers decent enough wages to buy them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordism
No, in other words.
Hypothetical question...the kid in kindergarten cop who said 'boys have a penis, girls have a vagina.'...
Is that transphobic?
I worked in mcdonalds as a teen and similar to retail, customers are generally ok with about 10% being absolute asshats. It looks like some day these jobs will be eradicated as they implement more and more self serving kiosks...goodbye to what little bargaining power these fast food staff had ->
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2018/06/07/mcdonalds-add-kiosks-citing-better-sales-over-face-face-orders/681196002/
There's also this, chap sets up vending machine shops with no staff, monitors via CCTV ->
https://www.smh.com.au/business/small-business/spotting-a-slot-in-the-market-led-to-australias-first-vendingmachineonly-shop-20170201-gu34m0.html
But let's just keep plugging!
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 23, 2020, 11:35:23 PM
QuoteFordism is "the eponymous manufacturing system designed to spew out standardized, low-cost goods and afford its workers decent enough wages to buy them."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordism
No, in other words.
What do you make of the idea of a society without a hierarchy?
Quote from: Giggles on June 23, 2020, 09:33:11 PM
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Everything is
Apparently so, because the makers of the game have banned this card from the 10th june, 26 years later. Along with some others.
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Yeah man, we get it. Boring.
Travellers just drove onto site and robbed a con saw in front of the whole site. I just had to remind myself that they are the real victims. Kumbaha my lord, kumbayah!
I'm just going to kick back and enjoy all these woke points that will surely roll in.
Fuckin pikeys.
I got that wrong, didn't I?
Your PC points will be transferred to my account.
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Was the word 'Pikey' introduced to Ireland by the film 'Snatch'? Or has it always been used in the west? It was always 'knacker' 'round our way, but that, confusingly, is used to describe anti-social hoody wearers from deprived areas.
I always liked the Polish word for those types of people, 'dres'. Literally 'tracksuit'.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 24, 2020, 10:22:54 AM
Was the word 'Pikey' introduced to Ireland by the film 'Snatch'? Or has it always been used in the west? It was always 'knacker' 'round our way, but that, confusingly, is used to describe anti-social hoody wearers from deprived areas.
Ya, knacker is mainly used for a scumbag down my parts too.
This thread seems as good a place as any to put this:
https://thisinterestsme.com/tools/journal-comment-generator.php
QuoteTHE FEMINISTS WANT A CASHLESS SOCIETY, SO THEY HAVE ULTIMATE CONTROL AND SURVEILLANCE ON YOUR SPENDING.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The fear of women is strong in this one
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 24, 2020, 10:22:54 AM
Was the word 'Pikey' introduced to Ireland by the film 'Snatch'? Or has it always been used in the west? It was always 'knacker' 'round our way, but that, confusingly, is used to describe anti-social hoody wearers from deprived areas.
I always liked the Polish word for those types of people, 'dres'. Literally 'tracksuit'.
I think you're right about Snatch, I never heard the term 'pikey' used much in Ireland before the film was released. And definitely in Cork, the term knacker was pretty much used to describe what are elsewhere known as chavs, scumbags, scrotes, etc, as well as Travellers. I can remember them being referred to as tinkers as well, which means I'm really showing my age.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 24, 2020, 09:33:01 AM
Yeah man, we get it. Boring.
Travellers just drove onto site and robbed a con saw in front of the whole site. I just had to remind myself that they are the real victims. Kumbaha my lord, kumbayah!
I'm just going to kick back and enjoy all these woke points that will surely roll in.
bit of a paradox really. If we refer to them as belonging to a particular ethnic group it's racist, yet they have ethnic minority status so to not refer to them as such is to ignore their rich heritage as the true knights of the road.
So when we are feeling sorry for them and their plight they are members of the traveling community, but if we are talking about anything that might be construed as negative, they are no one. Hope that clears it up.
Quote from: mugz on June 24, 2020, 07:10:19 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 23, 2020, 10:00:08 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 23, 2020, 06:53:26 PM
I'm appalled anyone finds this realm 'happy'. but I'm not surprised. I'll be glad to go. When you're dead you don't have to compromise. I'll probably end up in hell with Jordan Peterson.
Used to think like that myself. The world is just set up so fucking wrong it would drive you round the bend.
But you can make yourself happy by weeding out all the shit from your life and help people or create something or just enjoy simple things. You've only got one shot at it. Don't fuck it up.
my neighbour's wife is dying of blood cancer; even if you win at the game of life, you still lose. that's the real kicker- it's a game of winners and losers where everyone loses.
Yup were all gonna die. See when there's something you can do absolutely nothing about it's redundant spending anytime worrying about it. Spend your energy on something you can alter.
Energy is only an imaginary construct placed in front of your eyes by the evil lizard overlords of the 196th dimension to fool you into thinking that your illusory experience is happiness. Don't be fooled. Smash the system and don't forget your proper pronouns.
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 24, 2020, 10:31:06 AM
This thread seems as good a place as any to put this:
https://thisinterestsme.com/tools/journal-comment-generator.php
QuoteTHE FEMINISTS WANT A CASHLESS SOCIETY, SO THEY HAVE ULTIMATE CONTROL AND SURVEILLANCE ON YOUR SPENDING.
This is good fun.
We could have used Apple's 120billion Euro to invest in the rental market if it weren't for the shinners and their feminist agenda.
Edit: This PC nonsense is going too far and we only have the green party and Brendan Howlin to blame.
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Kim Kelly virtue signaling on pitchfork
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/ulthar-providence/
With Lovecraft himself, the true horror was what a racist, anti-Semitic shitbag he was, but here, that wyrd atmosphere is conjured in good faith, and conducted with blackened grandiosity
This kind of thing has cropped up on a few review sites of late, predictably enough I suppose. Kim could probably do with addressing some of her own past affiliations before taking the moral high ground.
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Quote from: John Kimble on June 24, 2020, 05:27:12 PM
Kim Kelly virtue signaling on pitchfork
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/ulthar-providence/
With Lovecraft himself, the true horror was what a racist, anti-Semitic shitbag he was, but here, that wyrd atmosphere is conjured in good faith, and conducted with blackened grandiosity
This kind of thing has cropped up on a few review sites of late, predictably enough I suppose. Kim could probably do with addressing some of her own past affiliations before taking the moral high ground.
Hilarious, though I can't remember any anti-semitism in his stuff, his characterisations of Afro-Carribbeans is, shall we say, dated. She's okay with the cocks all over the album cover though yeah?
The Kim Kelly Klaw strikes again.
Interesting twist on the Reading stabbing attacks last week. 3 of the men killed were gay. Was fairly brushed over in most reports. Strange world we live in.
https://youtu.be/FX8u9-asJpA
Or the 'fake noose' thing with NASCAR quickly swept under the carpet.
There was a widely reported FBI investigation...?
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Widely reported? It was mentioned, briefly, by CNN and BBC and then disappeared from the headlines. They made a song and dance about it for days before it was proven to be bullshit. The investigations findings were published in the most trite, matter of fact way because it doesn't fit the BBC narrative, with little fanfare. 'Ah sure, easy mistake to make lads'.
There is a huge supply/demand issue on the left with Nazis and the KKK. A door pull which resembles a noose? Teddy Roosevelt? Robert the Bruce? Winston Churchill? Mount Rushmore will be defaced, I'll put 50 quid on it.
Also, the White Lives Matter banner at the soccer the other day. Even the PFA lad (who is black) said whilst being interviewed that it was inoffensive and people can do what they want, the police (why they were involved in the first place is preposterous) said there was no crime committed. Of course, the BBC twisted yer mans words completely, the anchor was visibly struggling to make it sound as if he had been outraged.
And as for the premier league lads doing the Kapaernick and replacing their names on their shirts with Black Lives Matter? Alice in Wonderland boyz.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 07:43:26 AM
Widely reported? It was mentioned, briefly, by CNN and BBC and then disappeared from the headlines. They made a song and dance about it for days before it was proven to be bullshit. The investigations findings were published in the most trite, matter of fact way because it doesn't fit the BBC narrative, with little fanfare. 'Ah sure, easy mistake to make lads'.
There is a huge supply/demand issue on the left with Nazis and the KKK. A door pull which resembles a noose? Teddy Roosevelt? Robert the Bruce? Winston Churchill? Mount Rushmore will be defaced, I'll put 50 quid on it.
Also, the White Lives Matter banner at the soccer the other day. Even the PFA lad (who is black) said whilst being interviewed that it was inoffensive and people can do what they want, the police (why they were involved in the first place is preposterous) said there was no crime committed. Of course, the BBC twisted yer mans words completely, the anchor was visibly struggling to make it sound as if he had been outraged.
And as for the premier league lads doing the Kapaernick and replacing their names on their shirts with Black Lives Matter? Alice in Wonderland boyz.
Now the guy who ordered the £700 banner has been sacked from his job at an international company who make gas turbine engines for breaching "various policies and procedures".
The world is a shitshow boizzzzzzz.....
Wrongthink is a shortcut to the dole queue it seems.
He said he wanted to draw attention to the murders in Reading, but they found old tweets or Facebook posts of his where he used the word 'Paki' (I'm not condoning that, ugly stuff) and photos of him with Tommy Robinson(they really hate him, don't they?), and that was probably the pretext for him getting the bullet.
Most of us have probably said worse, way worse in private at some point in our lives, but if it's on the internet, the NKVD will find it and liquidate you for anti-revolutionary sabotage.
The spoof has gone through the roof.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
He said he wanted to draw attention to the murders in Reading
If he's as much of a cliché as he comes across, he may have been whistling a different tune had he known they were gay (that's a joke btw)
With the NASCAR thing, I said widely reported (meaning reported in many sources, not a measure of "airtime") because I learned of the whole thing when I saw in a couple of places the news of the FBI saying there was nothing to it. Prior to that, I hadn't heard of the story at all. I spend very little time per day looking at the news though; just seems to drive people nuts! :abbath:
Some people are just perpetually offended :laugh:
As a fan of motorsport, I was aware of the story long before it hit mainstream news (it's only bad news which makes the mainstream media when it comes to motorsport) and the reasoning behind the initial line of thought is quite logical when you know the details. I recall seeing the FBI announcement in the same non-specialised media as the initial story so I wouldn't say it had been brushed aside at all. The mainstream covered it to conclusion.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 24, 2020, 09:09:00 PM
Interesting twist on the Reading stabbing attacks last week. 3 of the men killed were gay. Was fairly brushed over in most reports. Strange world we live in.
https://youtu.be/FX8u9-asJpA
Google news search results for "Reading stabbings gay":
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&biw=1536&bih=750&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALeKk01UCLgzly7E4PgMlmwjho-5yxW_Yw%3A1593076157685&ei=vWn0XumoKcWOlwSzh4zoAQ&q=reading+stabbings+gay&oq=reading+stabbings+gay&gs_l=psy-ab.3...8412.9477.0.9654.9.8.0.0.0.0.175.685.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.0.0....0.p77sx_6McAY
Doesn't seem to be a shortage of sources reporting that angle prior to this video being published. A couple referring to them as members of the "LGBTQ community" but most refer to them as "gay men." In terms of peddling agendas, it's interesting how 'perpetually offended' Murray and the host admit to being towards the notion of an LGBTQ community, to the point that Murray takes it upon himself to speak on behalf of the dead by saying they "weren't" members of it but were rather "gay men." Unless he has some kind of proof that they pointedly didn't want to be identified with it, then he's way beyond the pale there.
Also, the "erased" Gone With The Wind is already back:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/hbo-max-brings-back-gone-with-the-wind-with-added-context
Quoteit's important that classic Hollywood films are available to us in their original form for viewing and discussions.
In case anyone is wondering why I'm quoting from Fox, I'm now reflexively sourcing from right-wing sites when posting in this thread; it was either that or add trigger warnings to posts ;) :abbath:
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't (have proof) but I guess what he's getting at is that they shouldn't be lionised by pink news et al if they don't know whether or not they align themselves with that community. A lot of gays shun that whole ideology, or better put, that collectivism, the pride stuff. So maybe the burden of proof is on them? A gay friend of my Mrs puts it quite succinctly - 'Just because I'm a homosexual doesn't mean I have to go in for all the peacock tails and flags everywhere'. Quite.
Murray annoys the fuck out of the left because he's a highly eloquent conservative, but he's also a homosexual, making attacking him slightly trickier. Like Peterson, he's far from infallible. Nevertheless, he makes pertinent points about the direction of Europe and it's future, as unpalatable as his perceived ethno-centricity may be.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 25, 2020, 10:47:31 AM
Also, the "erased" Gone With The Wind is already back:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/hbo-max-brings-back-gone-with-the-wind-with-added-context
Quoteit's important that classic Hollywood films are available to us in their original form for viewing and discussions.
In case anyone is wondering why I'm quoting from Fox, I'm now reflexively sourcing from right-wing sites when posting in this thread; it was either that or add trigger warnings to posts ;) :abbath:
What about all the other cancelled stuff? Is that still cancelled? Or is everything fine now because 'GWTW' is back on HBO?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't (have proof) but I guess what he's getting at is that they shouldn't be lionised by pink news et al if they don't know whether or not they align themselves with that community. A lot of gays shun that whole ideology, or better put, that collectivism, the pride stuff. So maybe the burden of proof is on them?
Two wrongs don't make a right Kev. You can't rectify the possibility that someone else is speaking incorrectly on behalf of the dead by doing so yourself.
QuoteWhat about all the other cancelled stuff? Is that still cancelled? Or is everything fine now because 'GWTW' is back on HBO?
What does the story say? That Gone With The Wind, widely claimed to have been "erased" by an apoplectic conservative media, is back on HBO. Nothing more, nothing less.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 25, 2020, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't (have proof) but I guess what he's getting at is that they shouldn't be lionised by pink news et al if they don't know whether or not they align themselves with that community. A lot of gays shun that whole ideology, or better put, that collectivism, the pride stuff. So maybe the burden of proof is on them?
Two wrongs don't make a right Kev. You can't rectify the possibility that someone else is speaking incorrectly on behalf of the dead by doing so yourself.
QuoteWhat about all the other cancelled stuff? Is that still cancelled? Or is everything fine now because 'GWTW' is back on HBO?
What does the story say? That Gone With The Wind, widely claimed to have been "erased" by an apoplectic conservative media, is back on HBO. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think you're getting too caught up with the GWTW angle, specifically. It's the larger attack that myself and others were referring to.
I'm not getting caught up with anything, just relaying that what HBO said they were going to do since day 1 has now been done. The only wider point is that all the hyperbole surrounding specifically GWTW being erased or censored or whatever (and there was no fucking end to that specific hyperbole, gnawing away at people's sanity) was now demonstrably just that; pure hyperbole. The other instances are other instances. The knack is being able to separate things along some kind of continuum rather than constantly conflating the world into binary camps.
That's sensible Chris, but the majority of your posts would place you firmly in one camp, in opposition with the other. I'm equally guilty of this.
Your 'special report' about GWTW has its implications, surely you see that? 'Look, there is no censorship, it's back'. I'm glad it's back, but the vast majority of the victims of this virtual 'book burning' are still banned from streaming sites. Google basically putting news sites out of business for wrongthink, YouTube demonitizing right-wing commentators like Sargon of Akkad (is he even right wing? He's a liberal, although it's all far right now apparently), it's a multi-faceted, widespread concerted attack on anything considered even remotely offensive by the left, or a specific loudmouth fringe of the left which everyone seems scared to death of. Seriously, fuck these crybabies, nobody is forcing them to watch or read anything, yet the rest of us have to tolerate censorship. Fuck that!
What I see is people unwilling to engage in any level of nuanced reasoning and just conflating everything that even appears to go in a certain direction. The majority of my posts here place me firmly in one camp because the majority of people posting, the very raison d'être of this particular thread, is rooted completely in a camp which endlessly conflates things in one direction. If there was a thread here where people were constantly conflating anything slightly right leaning with fascism, then my posts there would seem to place me in "your" camp (I've been accused of this on Twitter for taking academia peers to task for some of the conflating nonsense they post).
At no point in the whole HBO/GWTW story did I ever see HBO suggest actions that, if properly read and taken at face value, could have been construed as reasonably objectionable. So what's interesting, to me, is how the story was knowingly twisted and weaponized by some and just not at all properly investigated - despite how unbelievably accessible the real narrative and primary source was - by many, many more. Even on here people were relaying the propaganda point about this illusory "erasing" being extra-terrible since the black actress had won an Oscar for it (didn't see so many of those same people mention the fact that at the ceremony she had to be sat separately to her co-actors since segregation was still in force at the venue!). The GWTW story is also more interesting than Boosh or Little Britain, etc., because it's the most high-profile international one; the story, either in its true or hyperbolic form, was relayed all over the globe. Personally, I think what HBO did is what should be done; no censorship at all, but if a network thinks something may be objectionable, then fine, stick a warning on it and, where possible, give viewers the option to explore the reasons for that warning a bit deeper.
I don't agree with the trigger warnings or what have you, but it doesn't bother me to any great degree.
Is there a justification for the censorship, and it can't be construed in any other way, of Little Britain etc, short of regurgitating the mealy mouthed press releases from Netflix? How patronising is it to black people that the mere existence of some comedian dressed up as a black woman, forcing the creators to retroactively to apologise? It's as if they are vulnerable children who must be shielded from the worst excesses of the white man.
They have plenty of experience of the excesses of the white man, no?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 12:08:30 PM
Is there a justification for the censorship, and it can't be construed in any other way, of Little Britain etc, short of regurgitating the mealy mouthed press releases from Netflix?
Being by nature anti-corporation, I tend to err on the side of suspicion when it comes to them (that's where my real bias is ;) ). My (impossible to prove) belief is that HBO and Netflix ultimately took action
only because they thought it would be good for their revenue. But relatively, I think HBO did this in a particularly good way (stimulation to open discussion), Netflix in a particularly bad way (brushing the supposed source of a need for discussion under the carpet). I don't think censorship solves anything at all, ever. But I don't think it's useful to elevate Netflix to the status of censor. They're a corporation; they do profit at the expense of whatever else they can get away with without endangering profit, and that's the ball that needs our eyes on it more than what specific "content" they don't peddle. Their responsibility in "binge" TV culture is something with the potential to do far more damage to the well-being of our species.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 12:08:30 PM
I don't agree with the trigger warnings or what have you, but it doesn't bother me to any great degree.
Is there a justification for the censorship, and it can't be construed in any other way, of Little Britain etc, short of regurgitating the mealy mouthed press releases from Netflix? How patronising is it to black people that the mere existence of some comedian dressed up as a black woman, forcing the creators to retroactively to apologise? It's as if they are vulnerable children who must be shielded from the worst excesses of the white man.
Interviewer: "So Matt, have you heard that Little Britain has been pulled from TV?"
Matt Lucas: "Yeah, I know!"
Quote from: Juggz on June 25, 2020, 12:18:26 PM
They have plenty of experience of the excesses of the white man, no?
Their ancestors did. Racists exist, no doubt aboutit. But I don't see why the current generation of, generally speaking, non-racist western societies should be held responsible for the actions of people who looked like them in the past, or why they should apologise for it. They certainly shouldn't be given carte blanche to get historical revenge in South Africa as is happening right now.
If it were to be the case, the Swedes should apologise to the Germans for spearheading the Protestant side of the apocalyptic 30 years war, the conquering Arabs to Coptic Egyptians, the Mongols to the Jin Chinese, sure why not the descendants of Assyrians to the descendants of their neighbours for enslaving and attempting to wipe them out? I mean, how far can we go back in history for grievances? Not being smart, but history can provide any 'group' with a gripe against someone. So maybe group think is a bad thing.
I'm not denying the existence of racism, but white people dont have a monopoly on atrocity, and other varieties of white people suffered as much as anyone else.
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Juggz on June 25, 2020, 12:18:26 PM
They have plenty of experience of the excesses of the white man, no?
Their ancestors did. Racists exist, no doubt aboutit. But I don't see why the current generation of, generally speaking, non-racist western societies should be held responsible for the actions of people who looked like them in the past, or why they should apologise for it. They certainly shouldn't be given carte blanche to get historical revenge in South Africa as is happening right now.
If it were to be the case, the Swedes should apologise to the Germans for spearheading the Protestant side of the apocalyptic 30 years war, the conquering Arabs to Coptic Egyptians, the Mongols to the Jin Chinese, sure why not the descendants of Assyrians to the descendants of their neighbours for enslaving and attempting to wipe them out? I mean, how far can we go back in history for grievances? Not being smart, but history can provide any 'group' with a gripe against someone. So maybe group think is a bad thing.
I'm not denying the existence of racism, but white people dont have a monopoly on atrocity, and other varieties of white people suffered as much as anyone else.
You can't really believe this whole thing is about historical racism, surely?
Depends on how you define historical. I don't believe there are racist systems or underhanded policies in place to keep the black man down, at least not in the west. The American welfare system has led, at least to an extent, the 75% single parent family rate amongst blacks, and the statistics bear out that this leads to negative outcomes. Redlining, segregation, widespread racism, all that stuff is cold in the grave for 50 years. Black people are over represented in pop music, sport etc, in fact most icons from those industries are black. Who is holding them down, oppressing them?
I understand the Floyd killing was the spark for this conflagration, but the culprit is in jail, rightly so. He's now some kind of martyr for justice and equality, despite being a career criminal, a habitual scumbag who once held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly during a robbery. He was killed in a horrible way, but it doesn't make him a saint. The overwhelming majority of blacks killed are killed by other blacks, not by the police or imaginary mobs of roaming white supremacists. Blacks are also over represented in the police in the US. Are they a collectively racist force, or just the white ones?
One 'person of colour' was shot dead by the police in the UK in 2019, and that was the London Bridge cunt who had it coming. And in solidarity they start wrecking the gaff about something that happened 4000 miles away?
As something of an aside, I've been hearing about the supposed real motives behind the BLM organisation. I can at least understand the concept of defunding and/ or dismantling the police, even if it's something I disagree with, but what exactly does dismantling the nuclear family mean? I don't get the concept on any level. Can someone with a brain please explain this to me.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
Black people are over represented in pop music, sport etc, in fact most icons from those industries are black. Who is holding them down, oppressing them?
I wonder how far back into the past people have been making that argument? Jesse Owens was the world's most decorated athlete following the 1936 Olympics, is it impossible then that he was oppressed? Besides segregation still being in force, only the white Olympians were invited to the White House to be congratulated. The movie Green Book is all about how iconic success status and even explicit segregation can co-exist hand-in-hand; the early black stars of blues, jazz and rock'n'roll (where they were, for obvious reasons, also over-represented) knew all about this too. One of the triggers behind another excess of the anti-racism backlash, the whole cultural appropriation debate, derives from the perception that African-American culture is "respected" at a much higher rate than African-American well-being or democratic power. Had segregation not existed in the lifetimes of some of these people, and in the lifetimes of almost all of their parents or grandparents ("ancestors" is a not-so-subtle way of trying to add unwarranted distance), whereby none of its socio-economic remnants would exist today, then probably there'd be no problem with blackface, for example.
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QuoteWe disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
Depending on what way you look at that, it's either a call towards something like Plato's Republic (also more or less what's depicted in Brave New World) or something like McKenna's archaic revival, as this pertains to the family and the community (in this vision, the major part of human conflict is traced back to masculine possessiveness over their offspring, something which is cancelled out in more promiscuous, "non-nuclear" communities; none of the men know which kids are theirs, so they cast their energy more diffusely into the protection of the community rather than just their own offspring).
Edit: I'm not saying BLM are advocating a full-on archaic revival and return to a supposed earlier orgiastic psychedelic lifestyle, but the idea of the basic unit of society being shifted to "community" rather than "family" nods in that direction. It was also the general mentality behind basically all the hippy communes of the 60s and 70s.
Ah right so. Horseshite. Just as I thought.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 25, 2020, 01:30:58 PM
Depends on how you define historical. I don't believe there are racist systems or underhanded policies in place to keep the black man down, at least not in the west. The American welfare system has led, at least to an extent, the 75% single parent family rate amongst blacks, and the statistics bear out that this leads to negative outcomes. Redlining, segregation, widespread racism, all that stuff is cold in the grave for 50 years. Black people are over represented in pop music, sport etc, in fact most icons from those industries are black. Who is holding them down, oppressing them?
I understand the Floyd killing was the spark for this conflagration, but the culprit is in jail, rightly so. He's now some kind of martyr for justice and equality, despite being a career criminal, a habitual scumbag who once held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly during a robbery. He was killed in a horrible way, but it doesn't make him a saint. The overwhelming majority of blacks killed are killed by other blacks, not by the police or imaginary mobs of roaming white supremacists. Blacks are also over represented in the police in the US. Are they a collectively racist force, or just the white ones?
One 'person of colour' was shot dead by the police in the UK in 2019, and that was the London Bridge cunt who had it coming. And in solidarity they start wrecking the gaff about something that happened 4000 miles away?
I'd define historical as the kind of stuff you brought up back there for some reason. Personally, I don't believe racism was purged from Western societies when legislation finally prevented it being legal to discriminate openly. It is naive to think that. It's a lot better than it used to be but I've seen it and I've heard it, even from friends and work colleagues. I'd also say that, as a result, there is merit to the protests, especially if you're on the receiving end of it. Let's be honest, it exists still, even if not publicly, and it was not being addressed.
Yes, Floyd was a scumbag but he was an unarmed and restrained scumbag whose demise was captured on video for everyone to see. He's not the first black guy to be killed by a white cop, certainly not the first to be killed under questionable circumstances but, like Rodney King, it was all captured on video and it is impossible to obfuscate what happened. He's the focus of this wave by chance. However, it really doesn't take much digging to find lots of other incidents of a similar nature where the victim was not a criminal which did not end with a prosecution. To me, at least, we're experiencing outbursts based on a continual flow of incidents rather than this specific one, even if he is the poster boy.
When you say black people are over represented, do you mean as athletes and performers or as executives and owners? What's your opinion on Kaepernick not being able to find a job? Do you think a white player would have been frozen out in the same way?
Hey, let's not forget, the King of Rock 'N' Roll is a white guy despite black guys creating the genre ;)
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
Ah right so. Horseshite. Just as I thought.
A lot of serious study over the last hundred or more years points towards the deterioration of community as a tangible entity as being heavily responsible for much of the discontent and accompanying mental health issues at the individual level in western society. The "protestant values" which place family ahead of community have taken over the west via capitalism (which is said to have grown out of these same "protestant values"). There are some classics of sociology that deal with this directly; Durkheim and Weber specifically on the "protestant values" thing.
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Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 01:42:00 PM
As something of an aside, I've been hearing about the supposed real motives behind the BLM organisation. I can at least understand the concept of defunding and/ or dismantling the police, even if it's something I disagree with, but what exactly does dismantling the nuclear family mean? I don't get the concept on any level. Can someone with a brain please explain this to me.
The nuclear family is in itself seen as oppressive to a 'progressive' society, as it is the foundation for traditional values and the like.
The mere existence of happy, white, nuclear families is seen as an attack on the multicultural and LGBT mindset, so needs to be destroyed in their eyes.
Ultimately, finding a partner, having kids, and living a happy life based on a traditional mindset is seen by them as a form of white supremacy.
And once you make a group of people feel shame about even reproducing, the consequences are clear.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 25, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
Ah right so. Horseshite. Just as I thought.
A lot of serious study over the last hundred or more years points towards the deterioration of community as a tangible entity as being heavily responsible for much of the discontent and accompanying mental health issues at the individual level in western society. The "protestant values" which place family ahead of community have taken over the west via capitalism (which is said to have grown out of these same "protestant values"). There are some classics of sociology that deal with this directly; Durkheim and Weber specifically on the "protestant values" thing.
Those protestants, up to no good as usual
Quote from: Bigmac on June 25, 2020, 03:35:13 PM
The nuclear family is in itself seen as oppressive to a 'progressive' society, as it is the foundation for traditional values and the like.
The mere existence of happy, white, nuclear families is seen as an attack on the multicultural and LGBT mindset, so needs to be destroyed in their eyes.
Ultimately, finding a partner, having kids, and living a happy life based on a traditional mindset is seen by them as a form of white supremacy.
And once you make a group of people feel shame about even reproducing, the consequences are clear.
Amazing. This could be almost word for word a 1950s McCarthyite take on what "communism" is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3yDSeaH9CB7anHbLy_DrPrVlbxMdAC50mPjQdqDnGklwPyucNguTvXSrA
The machine read some of my comments and fed me this. Of course the guy could be a capitalist plant, but what he says is pretty funny in light of current events.
I've always enjoyed that Yuri Bezmenov interview.
It's hard to know what to make of him, but it seems he met a dodgy end, so it lends some credence to his musings.
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Well his proposed solution at the end serves to perpetuate the idea. The idea isn't to get one ideology or the other to actually work, just to have it boiled down to two distinct opposing sides and set them off against each other until they destroy their own place from the inside out.
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This is fucking retarded. Non-white people exempted from wearing masks in Oregon.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kron4.com/health/coronavirus/oregon-county-issues-face-mask-order-exempting-non-white-people/amp/
Chris, quote me Kierkegaard to justify this;)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 25, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
Ah right so. Horseshite. Just as I thought.
A lot of serious study over the last hundred or more years points towards the deterioration of community as a tangible entity as being heavily responsible for much of the discontent and accompanying mental health issues at the individual level in western society. The "protestant values" which place family ahead of community have taken over the west via capitalism (which is said to have grown out of these same "protestant values"). There are some classics of sociology that deal with this directly; Durkheim and Weber specifically on the "protestant values" thing.
If that's what they are getting at then are choosing the most combative and convoluted way of getting their message across. Saying 'dismantle the nuclear family' as a way of meaning 'we need more community focus' is unclear to the point of absurdity.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 25, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
Ah right so. Horseshite. Just as I thought.
A lot of serious study over the last hundred or more years points towards the deterioration of community as a tangible entity as being heavily responsible for much of the discontent and accompanying mental health issues at the individual level in western society. The "protestant values" which place family ahead of community have taken over the west via capitalism (which is said to have grown out of these same "protestant values"). There are some classics of sociology that deal with this directly; Durkheim and Weber specifically on the "protestant values" thing.
If that's what they are getting at then are choosing the most combative and convoluted way of getting their message across. Saying 'dismantle the nuclear family' as a way of meaning 'we need more community focus' is unclear to the point of absurdity.
Agreed.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 25, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
Ah right so. Horseshite. Just as I thought.
A lot of serious study over the last hundred or more years points towards the deterioration of community as a tangible entity as being heavily responsible for much of the discontent and accompanying mental health issues at the individual level in western society. The "protestant values" which place family ahead of community have taken over the west via capitalism (which is said to have grown out of these same "protestant values"). There are some classics of sociology that deal with this directly; Durkheim and Weber specifically on the "protestant values" thing.
If that's what they are getting at then are choosing the most combative and convoluted way of getting their message across. Saying 'dismantle the nuclear family' as a way of meaning 'we need more community focus' is unclear to the point of absurdity.
Where is the 'dismantle the nuclear family' quote from out of interest?
It's on their website.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 25, 2020, 03:49:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3yDSeaH9CB7anHbLy_DrPrVlbxMdAC50mPjQdqDnGklwPyucNguTvXSrA
The machine read some of my comments and fed me this. Of course the guy could be a capitalist plant, but what he says is pretty funny in light of current events.
Everything he says here is an echo of discourse that was already mainstream in the US via Sidney Hook, James Conant and ultimately McCarthy beginning in the 1940s, taking form initially through the purges of "communist" university staff and then spilling over into the media and elsewhere. The calls for an overhaul of education are identical, and in the US they have always been applied.
From where I'm looking, the difficulty of the ideological battle between freedom of thought and totalitarianism (i.e. in a system built conceptually on the idea of freedom of thought, how do you combat a thought system that supposedly wishes to eradicate freedom of thought without in the process undermining that core concept of freedom), the battle that James Dewey grappled with unsuccessfully up until his death, was ultimately defused by the totalitarianism of the cult of a self that is defined by the set of commodities each individual accrues and identifies themselves (their "self") with. Peterson's fantastical idea of "cultural Marxism" is just another echo of the same phantom against which the necessity for self-assertion, grounded in the notion of "freedom of thought", is again shored up. Ideologically I don't see that really anything essential has changed, but the means, the media (as in, plural of medium) through which any and every side are communicated are more liquid, some would now say gaseous, than ever; meaning ungraspable. If the medium is the message, then the message is now ungraspable. But consumer capitalism embraces all of it, feeds on all of it, as it always has.
It's almost like all of our major cultural and social discourse has a built in cognitive Dissonance.
I've never liked "the medium is the message", much preferred Watts (via Raw) "The menu is not the meal. Or again," the map is not the territory".
Saying different though complementary things, but I'd be with you that "the map is not the territory" resonates on a deeper level.
Conant had some incredible examples of conceptual dissonance in his speeches around the war-time mobilization of Harvard during his presidency there, stating in not so many words that, because they were free, it could not be left up to individual young male students to decide whether to enlist and go to war, only the state could make that decision for them. I spent about 6 months last year trawling through the 30s - 50s archives of the NYT, and some of the ideological cartwheels the militant anti-communists would go through are just incredible. It was a particularly good moment in modernity to be doing it too, since it highlighted really to what extent discourse (or at least visible surface discourse) hasn't changed in all that time. And what makes it even more difficult to get to the bottom of is that the present day research on that era is almost without exception undertaken by someone who has either a pro- or an anti-communist bent which you have to uncover (sometimes much easier than others) before you know how to take what they're trying to tell you. Riddles wrapped in mysteries communicated by political salesmen.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
It's on their website.
Is it this:
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
Disrupting the requirement for it sounds less harsh than dismantling it altogether :)
Well it's kind of strange wording. I mean, simply saying we are aiming to build stronger communities that look out for each other makes a lot of sense. In fact, it's a sentiment that seems to ring true across the spectrum of politics, but when it comes from the left it's considered communism by the right, and when it comes from the right it's considered insular and nationalistic by the left! I'm not really sure what that has to do with the nuclear family, though, particularly when you consider the strides western countries have made in terms of the acceptance of gay culture- and the arguable over-correction there too in terms of the over-emphasis on gay culture and the various interconnected elements of such in every aspect of life these days from shops pointlessly displaying rainbow flags and the gayness of tv and media- not a big issue, but certainly a remarkable one. Gay couples can adopt kids, live where they want, work where they want etc. so to make out like BLM are fighting for some distant utopia when half of what they are supposedly struggling for is already the world they live in makes me scratch my balding head in confusion. Just my view on it. I'm sure I'll be told I'm wrong and that I am blind to the real power struggle behind the illusory one being presented by the puppet master etc etc... I am just about intelligent enough to make sense of existence as I see it without adding extra layers of intrigue :laugh:
Marxist waffle. It'll never happen, not in this old world.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 26, 2020, 10:00:09 AM
Well it's kind of strange wording. I mean, simply saying we are aiming to build stronger communities that look out for each other makes a lot of sense. In fact, it's a sentiment that seems to ring true across the spectrum of politics, but when it comes from the left it's considered communism by the right, and when it comes from the right it's considered insular and nationalistic by the left! I'm not really sure what that has to do with the nuclear family, though, particularly when you consider the strides western countries have made in terms of the acceptance of gay culture- and the arguable over-correction there too in terms of the over-emphasis on gay culture and the various interconnected elements of such in every aspect of life these days from shops pointlessly displaying rainbow flags and the gayness of tv and media- not a big issue, but certainly a remarkable one. Gay couples can adopt kids, live where they want, work where they want etc. so to make out like BLM are fighting for some distant utopia when half of what they are supposedly struggling for is already the world they live in makes me scratch my balding head in confusion. Just my view on it. I'm sure I'll be told I'm wrong and that I am blind to the real power struggle behind the illusory one being presented by the puppet master etc etc... I am just about intelligent enough to make sense of existence as I see it without adding extra layers of intrigue :laugh:
Yeah the community stuff you mention makes sense to me too. The text on their website sounds graaaand to me, but 'dismantle the nuclear family' sounded like they were coming for me :) but looks like a case of Purple Monkey Dishwasher :)
Haha true. There's a fair bit of purple monkey dishwashering flying about on both sides. I think there is a sensible middle ground where good ideas can be hashed out if we can let go of ideologies a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bg2bixhQd8
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 25, 2020, 11:53:56 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 25, 2020, 03:49:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3yDSeaH9CB7anHbLy_DrPrVlbxMdAC50mPjQdqDnGklwPyucNguTvXSrA
The machine read some of my comments and fed me this. Of course the guy could be a capitalist plant, but what he says is pretty funny in light of current events.
Everything he says here is an echo of discourse that was already mainstream in the US via Sidney Hook, James Conant and ultimately McCarthy beginning in the 1940s, taking form initially through the purges of "communist" university staff and then spilling over into the media and elsewhere. The calls for an overhaul of education are identical, and in the US they have always been applied.
From where I'm looking, the difficulty of the ideological battle between freedom of thought and totalitarianism (i.e. in a system built conceptually on the idea of freedom of thought, how do you combat a thought system that supposedly wishes to eradicate freedom of thought without in the process undermining that core concept of freedom), the battle that James Dewey grappled with unsuccessfully up until his death, was ultimately defused by the totalitarianism of the cult of a self that is defined by the set of commodities each individual accrues and identifies themselves (their "self") with. Peterson's fantastical idea of "cultural Marxism" is just another echo of the same phantom against which the necessity for self-assertion, grounded in the notion of "freedom of thought", is again shored up. Ideologically I don't see that really anything essential has changed, but the means, the media (as in, plural of medium) through which any and every side are communicated are more liquid, some would now say gaseous, than ever; meaning ungraspable. If the medium is the message, then the message is now ungraspable. But consumer capitalism embraces all of it, feeds on all of it, as it always has.
I'm sure if I followed that rabbit hole I'd find what he says was certainly already old news in 1984
Yeah, consumer capitalism will feed on anything, even to the point of selling us communism to make a buck. I feel a lot of what goes down in general regarding pushing one ideology or another boils down to simple consumer capitalism and you've hit the nail on the head with that assertion.
Even the likes of BLM is mass marketed to the point where the initial idea gets swallowed up along the way and someone somewhere is making money off it, even in indirect ways where things like gun sales or similar go up. The rainbow movement is more mass marketed shit shoved down all of our throats as well and even the supporters of these movements fail to see that they are simply being marketed to, however altruistic their aims seem to be on the face of it. "Look, it's rainbow themed shampoo. I'm washing my hair for equality!" I'm not particularly singling out those two groups either, they are just the most obvious two at the moment off the top of my head.
Bill Hicks was discussed a bit in the comedy thread, and whatever one may think of his being funny or not he was absolutely bang on about marketing. Not that he was the first or last to see how truly insidious it is.
Hicks' politics were basically imported wholesale from Chomsky; "Chomsky with dick jokes" he was once nick-named. So, once again, but this time with a link, set aside the time to get through this monument* of media analysis if you're interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuwmWnphqII
*Again, disclaimer, I'm not saying it represents absolute truth or anything like it, but as a time-capsule presentation of topics ranging from media and marketing to media and propaganda to media and censorship, there's nothing really more comprehensive out there, and you'll be stunned at the revelation of just how little things have fundamentally changed.
Yeah I'll give that a watch. Probably take me a few goes but I'll take more of it in that way
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Quote from: mugz on June 25, 2020, 05:04:56 PM...but those things are old now and of no consequence.
In a lot of ways, we're all old now and of no consequence, but at least I'm trying to help in what limited ways I can.
What the utter fuck are you on about?
How are we all old now?
What about people who aren't old?
What about people who are older than other people but still aren't particularly old?
Who exactly are "we"?
What about those that are of consequence?
What the fuck does that even mean?
How are you trying to help?
Again, what the fuck does that even mean?
Are you referring to volunteering for meals on wheels? Or just emptying the bins at home? Or posting vague shite masquerading as profound statements on internet forums?
Dialectics...Bezmenov...Stoichkov...Hegel...Djemba Djemba...stuff...words etc
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It's not that I don't like what you're saying, it's more your inability to articulate a single coherent thought. Whatever. Maybe what you're saying is so incredibly profound it literally transcends comprehension.
And just so you know, I've been quoting Berkovitz before it was fashionable to listen to him.
Sorry, I meant Bezmanowski
Quote from: John Kimble on June 26, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
And just so you know, I've been quoting Berkovitz before it was fashionable to listen to him.
Is it fashionable to listen to him? I'll probably never do it again. I did enjoy that one short video but it's nothing I haven't thought all by myself while not swallowing it hook line and sinker at the same time. Like I see a lot of things but I'm still none the wiser and that clip is no different. I'd go away thinking what is the point of him saying any of that, that the objective of the enemy is to create chaos and then sowing it in at the end by saying the only way is to fight back against it all, creating more chaos and just adding fuel to the fire inherent in the idea.
Like he is interesting but also pointless
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Quote from: mugz on June 26, 2020, 10:27:19 PM
well, what if everything is, by design, slightly interesting but ultimately pointless?
I think it is all ultimately pointless, but not by design. It can be all pointful as well if I choose to experience it thus. We are back to the meaning of life thread here again though
It's all just more stuff, innit?
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Quote from: mugz on June 26, 2020, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 26, 2020, 10:33:20 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 26, 2020, 10:27:19 PM
well, what if everything is, by design, slightly interesting but ultimately pointless?
I think it is all ultimately pointless, but not by design. It can be all pointful as well if I choose to experience it thus. We are back to the meaning of life thread here again though
I'm making the point that the by design aspect is the interesting part, as it takes you away from the meaning of life thing (try not to kill/rape anyone/thing), and back to more mundane questions about academia,books,culture,information etc, but actually not mundane at all.
It would be more fun to look on it all from a "by design" aspect, but humans are not that clever and there are too many factors at play for any one entity or organisation to be taking stock of it all and pushing any agenda in particular. I think we are in a state of pure unadulterated chaos and not even those pushing it have a handle on any of it
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It's funny how that works out; that I'm also fully comfortable with being entirely wrong, and going on instinct for the most part and I arrive at the conclusion of chaos while you arrive at the idea of some sort of intelligent design. I honestly don't think that humans are that smart.
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I'm calling myself out here and honestly admitting that I don't know what nihilism actually entails
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Not actually a huge fan of Pie myself, but I saw this attack on cancel culture and said to myself, "I know just the bunch of lads who'd love this!":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5TVLEaqqdI
"A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
Co-signed by a lot of people who are not known for agreeing with each other.
https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/
Personally, I still think Rowling's recent furore-triggering tweet was a gratuitous, counter-productive, and therefore moronic move on her part. Her own subsequent letter came across mainly as saving face; always make sure to save some traumatic event in the bank to be deployed when you fuck up, folks, no matter how tangential it is to the subject at hand! Similarly, her mentioning Trump, and his mention again in this collective letter, is also a gratuitous and, I believe, ultimately counter-productive move, but hey, thought I'd share it anyway, just as a document of stuff that's happening at the moment.
"The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted." 100% accurate.
So, because she opened her mouth instead of keeping her opinion to herself she got a battering. In my opinion she did no wrong but that'd be treading old ground.
Excellent article btw.
Your BFF Chomsky even signed the letter.
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 08, 2020, 12:01:55 PM
So, because she opened her mouth instead of keeping her opinion to herself she got a battering. In my opinion she did no wrong but that'd be treading old ground.
She decided to mock a headline the media outlet of a humanitarian group put on an article about measures for improving global menstrual health and hygiene. In terms of choosing your battles, it was a royal and moronic fuck up.
Yeah, Chomsky and Pinker both; as I said, lots of people who are not known for agreeing with each other.
Meh, I'd much prefer people to utter their opinions, whether I happen to agree with them or not, or even on topics that bear little or no relevance to me personally. She's A1 in my book, despite indirectly making that Daniel Radcliffe midget someone I have to suffer through in otherwise decent movies/TV.
I've no problem with her having or even expressing her opinion. But the context she chose and, as a writer, especially the language and tone she chose, was an invitation to a shit-storm. So that's what she got. It's just she came out way more covered in shit this time than she was expecting. No sympathy; it was a stupid and immaturely executed move for someone of her intelligence.
Did she do it knowingly to court controversy? Most likely. Did she know she'd be lambasted? Probably. By and large I couldn't give a fuck about the whole Trans thing, it doesn't affect me in my day to day goings-on. Sure, words she chose and the way she put them across were, perhaps, a little derogatory but the the un-PCness of it all was absolutely refreshing. I think I enjoyed that aspect of it all the most. I'm just glad that someone in her position, in this day and age, isn't afraid to speak out on things, consequences be damned.
She came out with some awful shit though. She spoke her mind, but freedom of speech isn't under threat, dunno why that's being celebrated.
Nemtheanga hasn't signed it. I guess he must be a Nazi after all.
Quote from: Ducky on July 08, 2020, 01:05:09 PM
freedom of speech isn't under threat
In academic circles at least, that's not entirely true.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 08, 2020, 11:41:56 AM
"A Letter on Justice and Open Debate"
Co-signed by a lot of people who are not known for agreeing with each other.
https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/
Personally, I still think Rowling's recent furore-triggering tweet was a gratuitous, counter-productive, and therefore moronic move on her part. Her own subsequent letter came across mainly as saving face; always make sure to save some traumatic event in the bank to be deployed when you fuck up, folks, no matter how tangential it is to the subject at hand! Similarly, her mentioning Trump, and his mention again in this collective letter, is also a gratuitous and, I believe, ultimately counter-productive move, but hey, thought I'd share it anyway, just as a document of stuff that's happening at the moment.
A very well put together letter, excepting as you say, the mention of Trump. The point could have been made in a much better way without it, as now it could be construed as politically driven. I agree with everything else they said.
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Maybe she did know what the result would be, that she would be shouted down by the moral majority and in doing so, would highlight the ridiculousness of the current situation to the many who feel as she does regarding freedom of expression? Maybe.
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I found the letter captured a lot of my own thoughts about the current situation regarding what is and isn't ok to say in public. I don't care who signed it to be honest. I'd be in as much agreement if you were to say the same thing here.
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It's funny how in the writing of that open letter, those people have their own "them" as well. I wonder how it feels to be "them" and also fear "them"?
That thought is following from a comment I read in the theories thread, but it has me thinking do they know they are them?
The thing I find so interesting about the whole Rowling situation is that she can't really be cancelled. She still owns the entire HP property, she can't be fired, she has so much money that she probably lives in her own bubble anyway so she probably doesn't care if she is socially ostracized and she can't have her platform taken away as she's just too famous.
She has true Fuck You Money, it's kind of funny to watch all of these social activists complain because they've finally come up against someone who's life they can't ruin.
God, that must fuckin annoy em. 😂
What did she say that was wrong though? It really urks me that in the face of so much scientific study over 100s of years, a jumped up bunch of ideologues decide that anyone who dares question a movement based on social construct deserves to have their lives or reputations ruined.
Well said
Quote from: Blackout on July 08, 2020, 09:28:40 PM
It really urks me that in the face of so much scientific study over 100s of years, a jumped up bunch of ideologues decide that anyone who dares question a movement based on social construct deserves to have their lives or reputations ruined.
Has it ever been otherwise, anywhere, anytime? If one takes on a mission within a game, one should really try to learn the rules first. It's no good choosing to play as a wolf if the game calls for a fox. A general rather than a specific comment.
If the wolf decides it wants to transition into a fox is it still a wolf? Are those my feet?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 08, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
If one takes on a mission within a game, one should really try to learn the rules first. It's no good choosing to play as a wolf if the game calls for a fox.
Just a thought but have you ever considered immortalising some of your musings on a piece of distressed wood? You could get yourself a nice little cottage industry up and running and supply exclusively to, say, Meadows and Byrne.
😂
Quote from: John Kimble on July 11, 2020, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 08, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
If one takes on a mission within a game, one should really try to learn the rules first. It's no good choosing to play as a wolf if the game calls for a fox.
Just a thought but have you ever considered immortalising some of your musings on a piece of distressed wood? You could get yourself a nice little cottage industry up and running and supply exclusively to, say, Meadows and Byrne.
That's okay, I already have a sweet little money spinner ghost-writing platitudes for Dr. Jordan Peterson. His 12 Rules for Life will soon be available as wood signs though, you'll be happy to know:
(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.657642838.7416/gbra,5x7,1000x1000-c,0,0,675,900.u2.jpg)
Cool, do you have anything with the lobster stuff he does?
"Consider the lobsters of the sea, how they organize into hierarchies: they protest not, they cancel not; and yet I say unto you, that Hitler in all his glory was no more authoritarian than one of these."
Sung to the strains of 'Under the Sea' from The Little Mermaid?
Fuck you that got instantly stuck in my head!
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Washington Redskins are to change their name and logo, as it's deemed offensive to Native Americans. This, in spite of 90% of that group not being offended by the name or the word. BBC of course try to spin it as being a progressive move, on closer inspection it's clearly because Nike, Amazon and others withdrawing distribution and sponsorship. I fail to understand why theses companies take it upon themselves to be offended on behalf of other people.
Incidentally, Native Americans have more reason than most to feel aggrieved about what happened to their ancestors, but if they largely don't give a shit about the team name, I wish these woke companies would just fuck off with the morality arbitration.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2020, 03:31:11 PM
I fail to understand why theses companies take it upon themselves to be offended on behalf of other people.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/90/4f/4c904f37fb31d6c2e1a540657c7cd1ff.png)
There's a decent enough chance they'll gain customers out of it, and a very low chance they'll lose any. And all they have to do is not advertise via one venue for a couple of months. Win-win-win!
It didn't get mentioned here, but Netflix recently defended keeping that Polish 50 Shades of Grey type movie '365 Days' in stock, against what sounded like (haven't seen it myself) well-founded claims of the film glamorizing non-consensual sex. Why would they defend glamorizing rape from some crappy Polish movie but jettison The Mighty Boosh? Simply because viewers = $$$. 365 Days was and still is clocking up hundreds of thousands of views world-wide... I'm guessing The Mighty Boosh had been watched by approximately no one in the lead-up to the decision to toss it. Morality and offense ain't got nothing to do with it for these guys.
These naive college student protesters seem to be unaware they are doing the bidding of big business whilst waving hammers and sickles and yokes around.
Asgtyfl, any yokes? I'm on holidays now, might as well...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2020, 03:58:53 PM
These naive college student protesters seem to be unaware they are doing the bidding of big business
Big business will capitalize anything it can. It's not their bidding that people protest, but as the satirical saying goes, capitalism "would sell the rope with which it is to be hanged."
I mean the principal beneficiaries of the screeching has been big corporations, I don't mean they are doing it consciously.
I've been considering what you were getting at about the Netflix 'purge' recently and you've definitely got a point, with the example you've made with 365. Cash is king.
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In terms of how big business functions to turn things to their advantage, it doesn't make the blindest bit of difference whether the protesters are 100% genuine, 100% naïve, or 100% "compromised".
No, the bottom line is the same, but if they could see the paradox of a Marxist cult lining the pockets of umbrellacorp, perhaps they might pause for reflection.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2020, 03:31:11 PM
I fail to understand why theses companies take it upon themselves to be offended on behalf of other people.
As said already it's all about the money these companies care no more about Indians than the banks and other businesses care about gay people when they fly flags during pride month it's just publicity stunts to get more customers under the guise of pretending to care.
Sponsors to the CFL have threatened to pull funding if the Edmonton Eskimos don't change their name soon. I doubt the majority of Eskimos even realize that the team exists and if they did they wouldn't give a fuck.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2020, 06:08:15 PM
No, the bottom line is the same, but if they could see the paradox of a Marxist cult lining the pockets of umbrellacorp, perhaps they might pause for reflection.
Quotecapitalism "would sell the rope with which it is to be hanged."
This
is that paradox. The claim behind this satire is that there is nothing you can do while living in a capitalist society, up to and including directly attempting to destroy capitalism, which it won't find a way to capitalize on. They don't need to pause for reflection because it has already been theorized; this observation is part of the theory of any "Marxist cult".
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2020, 03:31:11 PM
Washington Redskins are to change their name and logo, as it's deemed offensive to Native Americans. This, in spite of 90% of that group not being offended by the name or the word. BBC of course try to spin it as being a progressive move, on closer inspection it's clearly because Nike, Amazon and others withdrawing distribution and sponsorship. I fail to understand why theses companies take it upon themselves to be offended on behalf of other people.
Incidentally, Native Americans have more reason than most to feel aggrieved about what happened to their ancestors, but if they largely don't give a shit about the team name, I wish these woke companies would just fuck off with the morality arbitration.
I'm actually surprised Snyder is going ahead with this, because he is the sort of person who has consitently given zero fucks about what people are sensitive about. The man even boasted about profiting off cancer patients.
I would not be surprised if he changes the team's name to the Landover Redskins, just as one big Fuck You.
Or the Washington Snyder is the Bests.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2020, 03:31:11 PM
As said already it's all about the money these companies care no more about Indians than the banks and other businesses care about gay people when they fly flags during pride month it's just publicity stunts to get more customers under the guise of pretending to care.
Reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LLawRT5Ec
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Reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LLawRT5Ec
That entire argument, trope for trope, can be mapped onto the Nazis' condemnation of interwar Berlin; godlessness, libertinage, banking. It's one of the aspects you won't find disagreement on between the mainstream and apologist narratives; both sides appropriating it with pride, but for very different reasons. You'd have to wonder whether flirting with another world war is a good idea, but I think a lot would relish the thought, especially a certain variety of those in the opposite camp to "godlessness."
what's war anyway? if it were just a genetic cultural and chronological cleansing then I'd be all in favour. more likely we're too degraded for a big war to refresh anything.
they can get more for less via cultural abuse, like the past 5 months show.
Stumbled on this after stimbling upon Robert Downey Jr on Joe Rogan discussing Tropic Thunder.
Fantastic flow chart at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1ISlncjCbU
:abbath: if you are a woke spastic you are probably a 14 year old girl or reside in that space mentally.
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 16, 2020, 11:37:23 AM
Stumbled on this after stimbling upon Robert Downey Jr on Joe Rogan discussing Tropic Thunder.
Fantastic flow chart at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1ISlncjCbU
those people are still in the game, even if they seem to be on the rational side. to ration is to apportion or divide, so the division is reasonable vs unreasonable, oldschool comedians vs shrieky millennials, but it's still kind of a game, and your moves are still within that game.
Mugz, look, you clearly look through a different prism of life than I do. I have zero interest in questioning things the way you do. Quite frankly, it seems miserable to do so. This "game" you speak of... No interest. All I wanted to do was put up a video of funny people giving out about supposed limits of how funny they can be, due to a vocal minority of retards. I'm happy to give out about the retards and move on. Life is too short.
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 16, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Mugz, look, you clearly look through a different prism of life than I do. I have zero interest in questioning things the way you do. Quite frankly, it seems miserable to do so. This "game" you speak of... No interest. All I wanted to do was put up a video of funny people giving out about supposed limits of how funny they can be, due to a vocal minority of retards. I'm happy to give out about the retards and move on. Life is too short.
there's merit to that approach
At least there was in the golden age of the late 90s. A place we all wish you'd fuck off back to.
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 16, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Mugz, look, you clearly look through a different prism of life than I do. I have zero interest in questioning things the way you do. Quite frankly, it seems miserable to do so. This "game" you speak of... No interest. All I wanted to do was put up a video of funny people giving out about supposed limits of how funny they can be, due to a vocal minority of retards. I'm happy to give out about the retards and move on. Life is too short.
I too would personally find that exhausting, but to each their own.
It brings to my mind that Alan Watts shtick where he's on about peace of mind and how to live your life, with the crux of it basically just boiling down to "Look, I can have the stick up my ass and break everything down, or I can just smile and go with it." That's flowery nuance - he was as much an entertainer as anything else - but I know where to implement that kind of shit out there in the fetid ranks of social discourse.
Being contrary made me miserable, so I choose not to. You can bring just about anything down with ugly language. And you can fit under just about any manhole cover, ready to pop out with a riposte on how you're looking up to scumbags, being played by a game etc.
Being Woke looks so mentally draining and joyless.
This is probably old news to some but one of the advantages of taking a brief social media hiatus is how much crap you miss out on...
Absolute fucking cringe
https://youtu.be/YdsmxzaHtSQ
And yes, I'm fully aware this is no more or less sincere than Netflix removing certain shows from their line-up, but fuck me, the sheer insincerity on display here is mind-blowing. And considering these are actors, surely they could have faked it a little better than this. Aaron Paul deserves special mention here for astonishing levels of cringe.
Nothing worse than an actor acting when they're supposed to be being sincere. Cringe indeed.
I've been down a Kémi Séba rabbit hole the last couple of days. He's hugely critical of the mainstream recuperation of Black Lives Matter, has some really powerful speeches some of you would really dig...but they're all in French, unfortunately. He's a bit of a mad bastard, a modern day "back to Africa" style Malcolm X, all about crushing the remnants of colonialism rather than demanding a "better", more "integrated" place within the neo-liberal west, massive support across all of Francophone Africa and beyond. Keep an eye out for him in the obituaries in the near future!
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In their latest Overwatch update, Blizzard removed McCree's noose spray. The guy's a gunslinging cowboy cliche, his sprays include wanted posters, etc, but I can see why they removed the noose.
But that's not good enough for people though. Because Brigitte (Swedish character) and D.Va (S. Korean character) have police themed skins for their characters, and those aren't getting removed.
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Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 16, 2020, 03:14:41 PM
At least there was in the golden age of the late 90s. A place we all wish you'd fuck off back to.
I know I'm very annoying and a bit thick, but even though you seem like someone I'd never have anything in common with, if you were being mugged on o'connell street, and being attacked in a club, I'd stand up for you. If you needed a lend of a guitar or a cable or needed a book I'd help you out.
We all have more in common with each other than not, even if you guys still love music and I merely used to love music. It's still more relatability than you'll get with the majority of Irish society these days. The horror of modern Ireland is so much that I'm choosing to interact even though most don't get what I'm at, and it's hard to find the right balance between conspiracy ramblings and music info.
I choose death.
That was fucking cold :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Like Trondheim in deepest December 😂
Two very different pieces, but both excellent wee reads:
Serious:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/19/its-the-powerless-who-suffer-when-free-speech-is-threatened
Humorous:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/19/restaurant-no-shows-are-people-i-can-really-sink-my-teeth-into
Both v good. The first one really says something. Conspiracies of silence indeed.
What's the take on The Shelbourne statues being removed? I think it is ridiculous again but that seems to be the way of things. Guess it's all just another facet to this gem of a new normal we're all buzzing off.
The interesting part in this I think is that the Irish Georgian Society is kicking off now over planning permission and it should be a bit of fun if they are to be reinstated.
Stupid, stupid shit.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 29, 2020, 08:12:57 PM
What's the take on The Shelbourne statues being removed? I think it is ridiculous again but that seems to be the way of things. Guess it's all just another facet to this gem of a new normal we're all buzzing off.
The interesting part in this I think is that the Irish Georgian Society is kicking off now over planning permission and it should be a bit of fun if they are to be reinstated.
The "I Take Responsibility" video, what a horrible load of shit. It's disgustingly insincere. 1. You think they could have learned the script, 2. For people who pretend for a living they should have been far more convincing and 3. This is a vile insult.
As for the Shelbourne Statues. What's going on with this, there is a lot of destruction of historical elements? What are thinking, "if we don't like it we'll destroy it"? It's a very dangerous thing to do. You can't erase history, and if it comes to a stage where all aspects of history are gone this old adage about not learning from history could really assert itself to bite them on the arse. It's moronic and dangerous.
I'm with Glenn Loury, John McWhorter and their ilk on these issues. Inspiring men who want to effect real change that flies in the face of this virtue signalling shit and emphasises personal responsibility as a way forward.
Having supported the Shelbourne Hotel in an IT capacity during the late 90's, through part of the period when they endorsed slavery, I would like to formally issue an apology for my actions at the time which I did not realise were harmful. Having now seen the error of my ways, I would like to travel through time and not remove the staples from that Laserjet 4 printer which, I now realise, was probably used to promote slavery in ancient Egypt.
I used to be with it...
They are actually beautiful statues and really stood out on the street. Fuking warped nonsense. I really hope they get reinstated. Who the hell came up with this bullshit?
Pathetic, insincere virtue signalling shit of the worst kind. Bsndwagoneering of the most obvious variety. Fuck off.
Quote from: Juggz on July 29, 2020, 09:40:28 PM
Having supported the Shelbourne Hotel in an IT capacity during the late 90's, through part of the period when they endorsed slavery, I would like to formally issue an apology for my actions at the time which I did not realise were harmful. Having now seen the error of my ways, I would like to travel through time and not remove the staples from that Laserjet 4 printer which, I now realise, was probably used to promote slavery in ancient Egypt.
That raises a question. We all laugh at ancient Egyptian slavery related offence being taken, but it's a no-no and also defensible to be offended when it comes to Black slavery in the U.S.
What is the time limit before it's not offensive any more? Vikings? Ancient Rome or Greece? How many generations removed before we don't feel personally offended by, or apologetic for, something historical?
Also you may be able to atone for your offensive actions in the past by going back in there and putting staples back into the printers. There is a popular train of thought among the general public which proposes that two wrongs do in fact make a right.
St. Patrick was a fucking slave, time to get rid of binge drinking and shifting as many yank birds as you can without puking in Temple Bar so.
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Quote from: Juggz on July 29, 2020, 09:40:28 PM
Having supported the Shelbourne Hotel in an IT capacity during the late 90's, through part of the period when they endorsed slavery, I would like to formally issue an apology for my actions at the time which I did not realise were harmful. Having now seen the error of my ways, I would like to travel through time and not remove the staples from that Laserjet 4 printer which, I now realise, was probably used to promote slavery in ancient Egypt.
That raises a question. We all laugh at ancient Egyptian slavery related offence being taken, but it's a no-no and also defensible to be offended when it comes to Black slavery in the U.S.
What is the time limit before it's not offensive any more? Vikings? Ancient Rome or Greece? How many generations removed before we don't feel personally offended by, or apologetic for, something historical?
Also you may be able to atone for your offensive actions in the past by going back in there and putting staples back into the printers. There is a popular train of thought among the general public which proposes that two wrongs do in fact make a right.
Time travel is even beyond Tony Iommi, never mind me. The staples will stay removed and that printer worked like a bastard when I left. It will always be so. Sabotaging their current printers would be fruitless, now that the Shelbourne Hotel is sound.
Quote from: Pedrito on July 29, 2020, 10:17:31 PM
They are actually beautiful statues and really stood out on the street. Fuking warped nonsense. I really hope they get reinstated. Who the hell came up with this bullshit?
Hotel management apparently came up with the idea.
I find all of this behaviour odd and frightening. The issues and ideas behind all of it are fine but the actions demonstrate all the worst facets of the fascism they purport to be against. It just tribe VS tribe, no common ground, no mature discussion.
At the very least, I now know what very little there is to know historically about the statues. Architect who chose them was a mason, unsurprisingly given the era. An Alan Moore style masonic vista of Dublin would be well interesting.
Beautiful statues artistically. Along with St.Patrick, I'd be happy enough to see them replaced by something representative of Gaelic traditions, but since we can be guaranteed no one has even considered that, a very silly thing to take them down like that. Shelbourne management seems to be totally out of touch with the nature of its own clientele if it thinks any of that set give a shit about such things. Quite the opposite if anything. Honestly can't see what they have to gain from it, in much the same way I thought it was easy to see what Netflix had to gain from their moves.
They get their consciences washed clean, before going back out amongst the filthy masses to spread their selfless message of pure virtue.
It's to be admired really.
It is interesting the statues were chosen by a mason though, since this whole global movement boils down to a debate about symbolism, the thing which was of arguably supreme importance to the masonic enterprise. The statues may not "mean" anything to us today, but it can be safely assumed they had great meaning to the architect. Hence my Alan Moore remark (it's a reference to From Hell, for anyone who may not know).
That whole architectural breakdown in From Hell was amazing in fairness. Was it From Hell that talked about the goddess Diana being worshipped in London way back in the great beyond and that the 'sacrifice' of the modern Diana of Wales was far from an accident but in line with some masonic symbolism etc etc. Maybe it was a Moore.interview?
Anyway, yeah, the owners of the Marriott are...guess. The Marriott group. A big fuck off American corporation that doesn't realise the sick irony of it's cultural imperialism in its complete disregard for the history and architecture of our beloved city. These faceless fuking vampires. We all hate slavery, we don't need to be coddled though.
Ah, well if it was a Marriott decision, that makes a lot more sense.
I guess what I meant is that, superficially, the statues were taken down by people who knew nothing about their history, for the reason that, on the surface, they are statues of slaves, two of whom are black. The Georgian society and others defending their presence based on their aesthetic, cultural, and historic importance are advancing that this aspect of slavery is just part of the artistry, nothing more, and that this should be obvious since it hearkens back to ancient Egypt rather than recent history. But, in fact, there's quite a good chance that if anyone had access to the deeper history of the statues, to whatever ritualistic masonic reasoning led to the choice of ancient Egyptian iconography for a Dublin hotel, it could easily turn out to be something even more sinister! In that respect, it actually makes it potentially one of the most intriguing results of the statue toppling malarkey...just don't expect to hear it discussed anywhere.
People are trying to cancel Buzz from the Melvins now for appearing on some right wing podcast.
My politics are pretty left leaning but I love this idea that anyone slightly conservative is a nazi, it's like saying anyone left leaning wants to round up the kulaks :laugh:.
Ewww emmm jeeee. Hawving cawnveursations is, loik, sew dangerous!
Cancel culture is the perfect term for it. It's great how they've unwittingly parodies themselves again with that one. A petulant, me me me, edit reality to suit my moral complex term.
To be honest the only thing that genuinely fucks me off is that this kind of shit gives real fascist, racist fuckheads plenty of ammo and a big ol' platform to shoot it from. The intelligent far right have become extremely adapt at leaning the lingo first and twisting it around, embellishing minority extreme views to make them appear as the norm.
How many ordinary people now associate anodyne terms like equality and women's rights with toxic movements of reactionary censorship whereas a lot of all those base terms really mean is...not being a prick?
They'll take that to the disenfranchised and play on their fears. Nothing new there, though.
I see what your saying but I'm not sure if the far right have had to employ much twisting considering the nature of cancel culture, constant offence-taking over bizarre micro-aggressions, online shaming, intersectionalist line drawing and any other of the reason-phobic tactics being employed by a small, aggressive and loud faction of the far left. Their bizarre philosophy is at best ludicrous, and at worst, pernicious.
BLM and Antifa are handing the far right a present wrapped in a bow.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 08, 2020, 09:12:17 AM
I'm not sure if the far right have had to employ much twisting considering the nature of cancel culture.
Twisting of discourse, no. Twisting of who identifies with that discourse, yes. Just look at what Trump is doing with Biden right now, directly associating him with every far left position he can muster, like defund the police, anti-God, etc. Almost none of it is true, but to the average American it seems plausible, and that's enough. The broader point still stands though, that the extremists are occupying the left discourse in a way that isn't happening in the right; it comes across very plausible that all the left really believe all the stuff antifa shriek about; it doesn't at all come across as plausible that all conservatives are fascists. And so, it's a vicious circle, since otherwise "moderate" lefts trying to peddle the latter discourse end up looking like...shrieking antifas
Give me a few names of reasonable centre left commentators to check out. I find I'm listening to the same stuff too much lately.
Yeah Black Shepard's explained it a bit better, there. One of the fundamental raison d'êtres of the far right is to combat the left. All of it. To do that it needs a groundswell of public support which it's historically garnered through emotional drumming on people's fears and insecurities. The easiest way to do this is to take some of the more extreme iterations of the left and sell it back to society as if it's an accurate representation of your average leftist think tank/voter sample.
No, they don't need to tart up some of the ideologies or mentalities the real wallopers espouse, but they do pass this off as a simulacra of what the left is about. And it's horseshit. It's just not the reality of the situation. The silent majority are invariably quite moderate, so they're less likely to make themselves known. Have you any idea the amount of people who associate the left with dyed in the wool communism? Your average right leaning American would see the Nordic model of democratic socialism as selling your soul down the red river styx.
The left have been at it for years, too, of course. It's a huge reason why 2016 happened. Your average Republican certainly does tend to be somewhat...conservative...but their voter base extends to a huge amount of fairly moderate people. But in Hollywood - in culture - they were the buck tooth fag baiting rednecks for decades.
It's only recently the far left - through online zealotry - have gifted the right with a similarly potent weapon of misappropriation. They finally have something that's a little more up to date than McCarthyism or falling back on scripture or "Well they're just snooty college hippies."
BLM and Antifa are both decentralised movements. How much they've been hijacked or how much they've been misrepresented - and you can be sure it's a combination of both - is another debate - but they literally just mean 'black lives matter' and 'anti fascist'. I'm a strong agree on both those sentiments.
Hang on, by that reasoning the entire raison d'etre of the far left is to combat the right! I think the raison d'etre of the far left is to combat everything from fascism to capitalism to, lately, being white heterosexual and male, having any kind of concern over the teaching of gender issues to children and any of a multitude of baffling brainfarts that somehow equate with oppression.
The far right is noxious for its own reasons but let's not pretend that the far left have the moral high ground here.
Far middle or fuck off!
Black Lives Matter "laterally means" black lives matter?
Antifa "literally means" anti fascist?
I assume you're either taking the piss or on the koolaid.
I think both of those organisations, centralised or decentralised, have more than proven that they represent far more than their reasonable handles suggest. What has looting, defunding the police, taking over entire blocks in cities which have resulted in murders, burning down businesses etc got to do with improving the standard of life for the average African American? What has cancelling anyone with a philosophy not far left of centre, harassing venues and record labels, cancelling gigs by bands with the most tenuous of links to right wing bands got to do with being anti fascist? Seems kind of like the opposite to me. Total oppression, total control- that's the game.
Whether that shit is being forced from the left or the right, I'm completely against it.
But anyway, we are back on the roundabout. Give me a few decent left commentators to check out who aren't "shrieking antifa" muppets.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 08, 2020, 01:53:57 PM
Hang on, by that reasoning the entire raison d'etre of the far left is to combat the right! I think the raison d'etre of the far left is to combat everything from fascism to capitalism to, lately, being white heterosexual and male, having any kind of concern over the teaching of gender issues to children and any of a multitude of baffling brainfarts that somehow equate with oppression.
The far right is noxious for its own reasons but let's not pretend that the far left have the moral high ground here.
Far middle or fuck off!
Black Lives Matter "laterally means" black lives matter?
Antifa "literally means" anti fascist?
I assume you're either taking the piss or on the koolaid.
Take a step back. I never said the far left had the moral high ground. I find some of the extreme manifestations you're describing loathsome. I'm just offering the perspective that these manifestations are nonetheless extreme and nonetheless a minority share, grossly over-represented by the amount of racket they make. Something their political opponents are only too happy to capitalise on.
And sure, one of the main - I didn't say entire - raison d'etres of the far left is combating the right as well. I agree with this. Jesus, even combating the middle. I'm not so right on as to be blind to this.
The attack on white hetero males has completely jumped the shark, for me. Doubtless there's plenty of dubious stories we can link each other exemplifying this, but again it's an extreme minority that's been blown way out of proportion. White hetero males also fantasise a victimhood complex when the castle walls start changing around them. I can't say I've ever woken up, personally, felt the balls between my legs and thought to myself "Oh for fuck sake, still there. What's my role in today's society?" I'm sure for some it's a genuine problem, though.
On that last point, I'm simply illustrating that behind these two movements are fundamentally agreeable sentiments. I think black lives matter. I'm antifascist. I'm simply aligning myself with the plain English root of both movements whilst acknowledging that the public perception of them has been knackered by extremist hijacking and subsequent over-representation. Something exemplified in your rather hostile reaction to me basically just saying I'm not a racist or a nazi.
I'll admit, the point stands better with just the BLM movement. Antifa by design is more deliberate and militant in its intentions. But if fascism was a wolf at my door, I'd be fairly militant about it, yes.
Anyway, you're smart, our own middle ground is likely huge and I don't want to harp on so I'll leave it there.
I didn't intend to be hostile, so apologises there. I think we generally agree with each other even if I think the terms anti fascism and black lives matter have been completely hijacked by the organisations that use them as to be inseparable from those movements.
You might be right about the victim complex of white males, but I think that that hard line attitude against that section of society is maybe a bit less marginal than you're letting on, at least in certain circles.
Sure look it. Still waiting on some recommendations by the way
It's absolutely less marginal than the (spot on in some things he says, not everything, but) poster implies , although it might depend on your geographical location. Not a bit of it here in Spain for example. I think if we ignored the Americans for a while you wouldn't get cringe spastics like that London Black Militia (idiotic on so many levels), or Trump acolytes like meself. Hard to pull off.
The words 'Black Lives Matter' are grand to most tight thinking people, however it's an exceedingly clever nom de guerre in the sense that, in disagreeing with them (and I do), the implication is that black lives don't matter to you (they do, but sure lookit they've snookered me with wordplay, bamboozled me with fancy talk).
As for Antifa, they don't know what fascism is in most cases, if they did, they'd see the comical irony in their own behaviour. No threat from fascism in the dictionary definition of the world in 2020, although that might get the 'racist' redefinition to stop us normal folk laughing at the shriekers making tits of themselves by constantly misusing the word.
The Hill seems to do its level best to be bias free. So, somewhat annoying accents aside, it's a decent enough place for US event commentary.
Nice one. I'll check it out. Was on the verge of thinking there must be no reasonable voices left on the left the way you were leaving me hanging there. So close to calling everyone on the left a bunch of commies!!! :P
Tim Poole would have been considered a reasonable voice on the left at one point, but the global shift in political categorisation has him firmly on the right (but no more right than you are, Andy, so a centrist in the real world). He's embracing the bollocks off it now as his YouTube channel has exploded in popularity.
I'm in an echo chamber myself when it comes to what political commentary I choose to consume, and it's a dangerous game to play. I'm actually thinking less, because Tucker Carlson, Alastair Williams, Candace Owens, Fleccas, Gavin McInnes etc are soothingly giving me the reassurance I crave, and poke fun at what I consider to be idiots. But maybe they are not? I'm not even certain. Another thing that draws people to non-left commentators is that they seem to have a sense of humour that is sorely lacking on the other side.
This is it. I find the commentators I've been listening to a lot are really easy on the ear because they say exactly what I feel, but have a better understanding of current events and are far more articulate. But maybe there are plenty of people who will challenge some of these ideas in a way that I find equally reasonable and I should be hearing those voices as well. It's easy to just fire on Glenn Loury and enjoy listening to the man, and I have done just that for hours since discovering him a while ago. I'd like to hear him discuss the BLM issues with a non maniacal voice who will still challenge him and, thus, put me in a quandary :laugh:
I could give you left equivalents of all those folk, but they would most likely strike you as already too far left for you, because they are painfully obviously biased...just like all the above mentioned are. It's natural, it happens. One thing that's striking about The Hill, from the admittedly little I've watched it, is just how annoyingly, pain-stakingly tedious it can be to analyse something in an unbiased way. On the one hand, on the other hand, but seen from this angle, yet I can see where the others are coming from...when it's explicit like that, woah, it's almost exhausting. Applying the pinch of salt needs to become an almost intuitive reflex, then you can take news from anywhere and skim off the unfounded nonsense on first hearing, be it left or right skewed.
Of course. I want to hear people with opinions, but I don't want to listen to the party line.
I don't see why it should be considered the only those with a "left wing" perspective are to be the ones easily offended. It's not as if conservative or right wing types arent ever pissy or sour and moany cunts that go around with a hump on their shoulders. They are some of most hysterical and over reactive types that you can possibly meet whose politics in many cases amounts to nothing more than an exhibition of pure red in the face crankism.
Offended in the sense that mountains are made out of molehills, the left are definitely saltier. The Jussie Smolliet thing, the CNN/Celebrity outrage was comical, especially after it came to light that he is a lying, conniving piece of shit trying to cash in on being black and a homosexual. Or when Don Lemon, Meryl Streep and pals accused Trump of mocking some reporter who had a withered hand due to his mother taking thalidomide during pregnancy. He wasn't mocking him at all, but you'd swear he'd interned the homosexuals or something. The media, which leans left more often than not, and hates Trump, blows the leaves to fever pitch.
Of course, conservatives can be just as pissy and petty on an individual level, but when it comes to the collective, well, Chris can explain the Borg/GULAG crowd better than I can. Steven Crowder for example has made a living out of being a shouty, outrage monger on the right, but he's not your common or garden conservative.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 09, 2020, 06:10:19 PM
Offended in the sense that mountains are made out of molehills, the left are definitely saltier. The Jussie Smolliet thing, the CNN/Celebrity outrage was comical, especially after it came to light that he is a lying, conniving piece of shit trying to cash in on being black and a homosexual. Or when Don Lemon, Meryl Streep and pals accused Trump of mocking some reporter who had a withered hand due to his mother taking thalidomide during pregnancy. He wasn't mocking him at all, but you'd swear he'd interned the homosexuals or something. The media, which leans left more often than not, and hates Trump, blows the leaves to fever pitch.
Of course, conservatives can be just as pissy and petty on an individual level, but when it comes to the collective, well, Chris can explain the Borg/GULAG crowd better than I can. Steven Crowder for example has made a living out of being a shouty, outrage monger on the right, but he's not your common or garden conservative.
Erm... How was he not mocking that reporter? Stop watching Fox lad.
He does that arm flail thing all the time, it wasnt aimed at his disability, a blind man could see that. What do you think he was doing? Watching him at home, slapping his thigh, shouting 'ha ha, his mother took thalidomide, his arm is all over the place ha ha ha'? If you think that, you've caught the auld derangement syndrome.
Fox is as bad as the others in terms of bias, but you can't deny, the left leaning networks will amplify, exaggerate and just make up stuff in its absence to discredit Trump. He's not without his faults, which is an understatement ,but come on, lad.
All the sides of the media do the same thing as far as I can see. Common sense seems to be a thing of the past and all forms of media seem to be tools for manipulation (as they pretty much always have been, in fairness). I don't lean right or left myself, but I think some good ideas come from both sides and there is a common ground to be found for anyone who wants to see sense. The problem with that is that not a lot of people seem to want to see sense and instead are ripe for all sorts of radicalisation.
Word.
The Fox character assassination of Biden is not far off the levels of anti-Donald shit they complain about and mock from their competitors.
As I mentioned earlier, and as Andy said, it's very easy to become mired in a loop of YouTube videos and op-eds which you will nod along in agreement to, and write off the other side as pretentious windbags, cranks or clowns who just make stuff up. I can't imagine Ducky or Chris being able to tolerate Breitbart or InfoWars (Chris, just for the laugh, watch one of those Owen Shroyer videos, you'd be best buds), whilst the thought of reading Vox or the Guardian, journalists like Laurie Penny or Owen Jones, without having written it off as bullshit by simply reading the headline is almost anathema to me, like wearing a Rangers jersey or something.
Unless you genuinely believe Sandy Hook, amongst christ knows how many other things, was a hoax, then xomparing - as though they were on equal footing but on differing sides of a spectrum - InfoWars with The Guardian (clearly flawed as it is) is ludicrous.
I don't know if Trump intended to mock that reporter. I would think him capable of it, though. Also, before the impersonation, he did say, "You gotta see this guy respond...", 'see' being the operative verb. And, in the Fox vid trying to wash his reputation, it's telling that the video excerpt in which he most closely reennacts the same gestures is not an instance prior to the accusing incident but rather a few months after; Fox build to that one, then bounce back in time to show the original clip. Funny how they needed to wait around for a few months to gather the material needed to exonerate him on that score, no? Not conclusive, but certainly has an air of orchestration about it:
https://youtu.be/CsaB3ynIZH4
I didn't directly compare infowars to the guardian. Again, which you know perfectly well, and, sigh, off on the daft wee laddie retort train again(for which there was absolutely no need for, as I wasn't being in the least bit argumentative but hey, that's your patter). I also never said I believe everything they say, just in a matey way, asked you to check out a video of a hyper freedom warrior who would exasperate the bejesus out of you.
You are fake news.
That's also a facetious claim, you can't possibly know for certain if he made that gesture before the one in question, unless you have recorded footage of every live event that he has spoken at. There are other sources related to this which I'll provide forthwith. EDIT forget it, my crystal ball tells me you will rubbish any conservative source (as I suppose you have every right to), so I'll leave you off to research the issue further yourself.
Fair dues for saying you don't know either way.
Out of curiosity, why would you consider him 'capable of it'? Has he mocked other people with disabilities, or is just a throwaway remark based on your dislike of the man? I mean, anyone is 'capable' of it in theory. I'm sure if we both said, with 100% honesty, the five worst things we've done in our lives, more than a few eyebrows would be raised, and that's putting it mildly.
Skip the InfoWars thing then; your sentence addressed to Ducky and me read like a comparison between X and Y to the right and Z and W to the left.
QuoteThat's also a facetious claim, you can't possibly know for certain if he made that gesture before the one in question, unless you have recorded footage of every live event that he has spoken at.
The Fox video I posted has dated clips; the least similar ones are from before the fact, the most similar - the one they build to - from after the fact, meaning it is logically worthless as defense since it could have been staged for precisely that purpose. Elementary.
QuoteOut of curiosity, why would you consider him 'capable of it'? Has he mocked other people with disabilities, or is just a throwaway remark based on your dislike of the man? I mean, anyone is 'capable' of it in theory. I'm sure if we both said, with 100% honesty, the five worst things we've done in our lives, more than a few eyebrows would be raised, and that's putting it mildly.
Trump in rally mode is capable of doing and saying just about anything he thinks will garner approbation from the crowd; he's capable of it as a narcissist. The guy thinks he's hilarious and needs that to be constantly reinforced. Certainly, that's how he plays his rallies. I get your "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" thing, but in the circumstance it carries about as much weight as "if you haven't recorded a better album yourself, you can't have an opinion." Trump is being critiqued as a President (and I don't mean that in a utopian naïve way either).
Let's just agree that he's an absolute legend and leave it at that
He is funny, although the comrades will never admit it :)
He's not remotely funny. He's hateful.
CHY-NA...it comes from 👌CHY-NA👌
I love his videos about Biden ;D
Yeah, how can something so wrong feel so right 🤣
Best thing the democrats can do is keep him wrapped up in cotton wool and under no circumstances have him humiliate himself in a debate. Not being a total geebag like Hilary and not being Trump could well be enough to get him over the line.
I cant wait for the debates.
I don't think there will be a debate, Trump would eat him alive. The DNC said they want tax returns or something in return for the debates. Fuckin' spoilsports.
Sure Biden hasn't a clue what's going on anyhow.
You know uh ya hey man you know the thing 😄
If they introduced live fact-checking he'd have a harder time eating Biden alive. Or just talking, for that matter. That said, Biden puts his foot in it just as much as Trump, unfortunately in a way that revolts rather than thrills his voter base.
He's also a dirty auld fucker.
Who would do the fact checking, though, you and HuffPo? You can prove anything with 'facts'!
Anyone with access to the sources Trump claims to be citing when he says whatever pops into his head.
Granted, but finding a person without opinions and biases about the man one way or the other would be your principal issue.
You'd need snookers once he drops that freedom bomb 'fake news'.
I was hardly suggesting one person did it, more like an independent body engaged for the purposes of the debate, an adjoint to the arbiter.
It's all much of a muchness, good luck finding an impartial arbitrator, there is no such body or individual that would be accepted by both sides, so it's a null set.
A lot of things he says are easily proven to be lies though. We all have access to a lot of information these days, he doesn't seem to realise this.
One thing that annoys me about him is his BS which has an element of truth to it, like Obama creating the family separation law at the border. There's a kernel of truth in that, but he can't help but embellish it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2020, 03:12:16 PM
One thing that annoys me about him is his BS which has an element of truth to it, like Obama creating the family separation law at the border. There's a kernel of truth in that, but he can't help but embellish it.
What has Trump said exactly? And what is the truth in it? :)
After he ended the policy of separating kids from their parents (migrants) at the southern border, he said that (when he rescinded the law) that in fact Obama had created the law. There was separation, but no law to oblige the practice, and it was less widespread.
Stupidity really, and that's coming from someone who likes the man.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2020, 05:11:53 PM
After he ended the policy of separating kids from their parents (migrants) at the southern border, he said that (when he rescinded the law) that in fact Obama had created the law. There was separation, but no law to oblige the practice, and it was less widespread.
Stupidity really, and that's coming from someone who likes the man.
My understanding was the separation that started under the Trump Admin was different to previous admins (which was very rare) due to the fact that Trump started sending parents to Federal Prisons as part of his zero tolerance policy and children were sent to detention centres and then either settled with relatives or foster homes.
Is that your understanding?
Trump signed the practice into law where there previously hadn't been one. He then rescinded the law, realising most people weren't going to tolerate the horror stories of kids being taken from their families in every case. No such law existed under Obama, although the practice did occasionally occur.
So the ending of the law (fair play for holding his hands up) was soured a bit by him claiming (dishonestly) that he ended an unjust practice legalised by the previous administration. He should have said 'that was wrong, but look, I've held my hands up and I've sorted it out'. He couldn't resist the sugar and spice of being the even bigger hero by bullshitting. But sure as annoying as it is, the way the left react to it is daft as well.
My position is Trump is not that bad. The issue is, his enemies are unwilling to give him even a modicum if the credit he deserves for his achievements by either rubbishing the context, or 'yeah, maybe, but what about Tom, Dick or Harrying' it. He does talk shite. He also has gotten plenty done for the good of his country. Some people might do well to widen their horizons on the subject.
In other words, a perfect example of something that can be objectively fact-checked.
No one denies he is not a BSer.
I have my doubts whether you would accept anything positive related to him without trawling through Vox or Washington Post, desperately looking for a way to debunk or discredit it.
There are plenty of blind Trump supporters who would do the same to 'debunk' what I've just said there about the familial separation.
Dates on which laws are ratified are objective facts. Whether Biden is on record as supporting 'Defund the police' too, same with cherry picked statistics (% of positive cases rather than % of population example). If candidates were called on such things ("Earlier you said X, but our fact checkers show no record of X being the case. Can you correct or else rescind please?"). In achievable epistemic circumstances like that, Trump would crumble. Biden would take some flak too, but Trump would be almost wholly disarmed.
Not everyone is as reasonable as yours truly though.
Wholly disarmed is overstating the issue, and it just demonstrates your fundamental (I'm loath yo day hatred but it's not too far of the mark) dislike of Trump that you would say that. No everything he says is bollocks, and perhaps of you spent some time looking into his claims about black employment, wage increases, more women in his cabinet than any other president (despite being a misogynist...) you might come to the conclusion that he's not the arch bungler and arch villain you persistently portray him as.
I don't think he's an arch-bungler at all. I think he's an arch-charlatan ;)
By the way, it's my belief that Trump would crush Biden in a debate has less to do with fact checking (a presidential campaign doesn't rely solely on that), and more to do with the fact that Biden is often incoherent and gives the impression of already being in his dotage, low energy and confusion ooze out of him.
Trump is a billy big bollocks who can work a crowd like Andy can a guitar or his Mickey. T'would be lambs to the slaughter.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 11, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
I don't think he's an arch-bungler at all. I think he's an arch-charlatan ;)
He's delivered on as many of his promises as one can expect, and has been blocked from delivering the majority of the balance. What's the criteria?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2020, 06:48:16 PM
Trump signed the practice into law where there previously hadn't been one. He then rescinded the law, realising most people weren't going to tolerate the horror stories of kids being taken from their families in every case. No such law existed under Obama, although the practice did occasionally occur.
So the ending of the law (fair play for holding his hands up) was soured a bit by him claiming (dishonestly) that he ended an unjust practice legalised by the previous administration. He should have said 'that was wrong, but look, I've held my hands up and I've sorted it out'. He couldn't resist the sugar and spice of being the even bigger hero by bullshitting. But sure as annoying as it is, the way the left react to it is daft as well.
My position is Trump is not that bad. The issue is, his enemies are unwilling to give him even a modicum if the credit he deserves for his achievements by either rubbishing the context, or 'yeah, maybe, but what about Tom, Dick or Harrying' it. He does talk shite. He also has gotten plenty done for the good of his country. Some people might do well to widen their horizons on the subject.
So it sounds like he just flat out lied with regard to "Obama creating the family separation law at the border"? Or what is the kernel of truth you mentioned?
I'd be honest and hold my hands up that I don't 100% understand that situation. But I watch his press conferences a lot these days, and the amount of lies and misinformation is unbelievable IMO. He's only ever a few minutes from saying something that is objectively wrong. And I probably miss loads too as I don't understand things such as above.
The kernel of truth is that he did end the policy. But the thing about Obama creating the law was shite, although it wasn't an unprecedented phenomena (kids being taken away from their parents).
What was funny actually was at the beginning of the whole COVID thing I wouldn't have really sat and watch him live, but started in lockdown. And he'd say something in relation to testing or some technology or something America had achieved (nobody thought possible, unimaginable etc :) ) and I'd be like, oh that sounds really cool / that could be a game changer and then google it and discover it was all rubbish ha. He got my hopes up a few times!
It's crazy that someone can just stand in the White House and say false things that we all know are false, that most standing beside him know are false and it's all fine. I think by now in most jobs you'd be told not to bother coming back tomorrow!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2020, 08:20:15 PM
The kernel of truth is that he did end the policy. But the thing about Obama creating the law was shite, although it wasn't an unprecedented phenomena (kids being taken away from their parents).
Ah I get you sorry.
Yeah I guess he just likes to point at Obama. Sure Obama left him with no COVID 19 tests :) He's a gas man.
That's the long and the short of it, he's a bullshitter born and bred, and after a while, no matter how sound or industrious, a bullshitter will eventually exhaust your patience and trust. Trump has been very industrious, but the faux pas and the crocks of shite burn holes in the goodwill he deserves for the good work he has done.
I'm just looking back at the last 4 or 5 American Presidents and which one of them wasn't a total bullshit artist? Obama? Give me a break! Weapons of mass destruction Bush and Predator Clinton. Joe Biden in the White House or The Donald? Jesus what a choice :laugh:
The democrats only had to not choose another certified plum duck...And they even fucked that up.
I used to get some laugh out of that spoof website 'whitehouse.org' taking this piss out of bush. The 'patriotic posters' were something else :)
https://images.app.goo.gl/SXPkdQUGbtDQwfma8
It's amazing how narratives change. Bush in the past few years suddenly became acceptable, even celebrated by democrats, despite him being ridiculed constantly as president..weird
Quote from: pete on August 11, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
It's crazy that someone can just stand in the White House and say false things that we all know are false, that most standing beside him know are false and it's all fine. I think by now in most jobs you'd be told not to bother coming back tomorrow!
You have just described every president in US history the only difference today is the public have easy access to information with the internet. 15, 20+ years ago most of what the presidents said would have to be taken at face value. It's kinda similar to how people are waking up to just how biased and one sided the media is because they have the ability to research what they say instead of accepting it as fact.
Quote from: Pedrito on August 11, 2020, 09:46:53 PM
It's amazing how narratives change. Bush in the past few years suddenly became acceptable, even celebrated by democrats, despite him being ridiculed constantly as president..weird
The one and only reason for that is because he jumped on the anti Trump bandwagon.
Exactly
Ha true but Trump brings it to another level. Press conference incoming now. Let's see how many minutes he can make it without lying ha!
I did laugh at "kung flu".
Chinkenpox!
Kungflu might not be the most PC term in the world but it's entirely accurate. Countless deaths, a world in lockdown because of one country's hubris. And yet the attention is constantly diverted to Trump. Says everything about the state of the world at the moment and the manipulation that is taking place.
A bit of the problem is that the deaths aren't countless. The exacting nature of the counts lends itself nicely to putting the shits up everyone. Easiest way to get people to do what they are told is to make them afraid and then they are ripe for the manipulation.
There is great crossover between this thread, the Trump vs. Big Tech one, the Coronavirus one and the Are we all fucked one. That tells a bit of a story in itself, depending on how one wishes to look at it.
200 new cases. I cannot hack another shitty lockdown.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2020, 08:36:37 PM
That's the long and the short of it, he's a bullshitter born and bred, and after a while, no matter how sound or industrious, a bullshitter will eventually exhaust your patience and trust. Trump has been very industrious, but the faux pas and the crocks of shite burn holes in the goodwill he deserves for the good work he has done.
Trump has been very industrious. Trump has had a lot of failed businesses. His "University" for one was an absolute sham:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-59556/
Jesus he must have grabbed your pussy aswell? It's Sunday, take a day off, go for a walk
What's Sunday got to do with it? What's more accurate is you and Caomhaoin was to gobble the Donald. From your posts you have mindlessly sycophantic. That said I haven't read that all, it gets boring.
Quote from: livingabortion on August 16, 2020, 02:25:25 PM
What's Sunday got to do with it? What's more accurate is you and Caomhaoin was to gobble the Donald. From your posts you have mindlessly sycophantic. That said I haven't read that all, it gets boring.
Did you not get the memo? You can defend Trump to the hilt on here, but if you say anything bad about him (especially if you have a source!) you need to go for a wank and have a can to relieve your wokeness and stop being such a crybaby.
Quote from: Ducky on August 16, 2020, 02:42:23 PM
Quote from: livingabortion on August 16, 2020, 02:25:25 PM
What's Sunday got to do with it? What's more accurate is you and Caomhaoin was to gobble the Donald. From your posts you have mindlessly sycophantic. That said I haven't read that all, it gets boring.
Did you not get the memo? You can defend Trump to the hilt on here, but if you say anything bad about him (especially if you have a source!) you need to go for a wank and have a can to relieve your wokeness and stop being such a crybaby.
Pretty much. Raise a point about one of trumps failings and its you're a commie, woke, snowflake etc. Fairly nauseating tbh. You can debate points without resorting to name calling.
Hit the road soyboy
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 16, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
soyboy
Speaking of adolescent manners of expressing oneself :-X
Da, Comrade
You're a right little edgelord aren't ya.
A what?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 16, 2020, 03:35:48 PM
A what?
Well i googled what a soyboy was so knock yourself out.
Like a bunch of oul women chatting around the washing line..must have that University story a year ago. Change the record ffs
And while you're at it have a look at the thread title. Remind you of anyone?
This simultaneously pulling on the reins and spurring is an interesting tactic :laugh: :abbath:
Guilty as charged :laugh: you're such an edgelord :abbath: :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
There'll be no revolutions won if ye give up this easily lads :P
Quote from: Pedrito on August 17, 2020, 06:00:17 PM
There'll be no revolutions won if ye give up this easily lads :P
If there's a point to discuss fire ahead. If it just descends into name calling I'm a bit long in the tooth for that carry on.
Agreed. You called Kev an Edgelord in fairness :'(
Quote from: Pedrito on August 17, 2020, 10:29:20 PM
Agreed. You called Kev an Edgelord in fairness :'(
I did. In response to being called a soyboy. I'm ashamed for even engaging.
Was reading something about goats earlier and the author of the piece said that most people don't use the term "Billy Goat" anymore, as it's seen as a derogatory term. I'm amazed to think that any of the goats felt offended by the term, or that people can get offended on behalf of other species. Either way it's amazing.
The looks you get if you call a ghost a Spooky Cunt are not good, believe me.
It's amazing what one can't say these days. I do like to stir the pot a bit at times though by saying things that could be construed as offensive but in other contexts. Was in work lately talking to someone about the problem of direct provision centres and saying it's a pity no one could come up with some sort of Final Solution. Or there is a Nigerian young lad playing on the young fella's hurling team and I keep talking about how good he is and describing him as like the big fella up front or the lad from the estate near the fire station but never saying he is black and none of the other parents will say do I mean the black lad no matter how descriptive it gets.
Still no closer to an answer to the goat question either, though as Billy Goats are pretty much the G.G. Allin of the farmyard, I suspect it is the people who are getting offended on their behalf.
I believe they prefer William Goats, unless you are a close friend.
Adele getting grief for cultural appropriation. She wore a bikini with a Jamaican flag and had her hair in some Afro type yoke. I'd be more bothered how chavvy she looked.
Adele would have to cover Cannibal Corpse for her activities to even register with me.
She has lost a lot of weight, Chris, that's not going to happen anymore.
Was it the result of having her entrails ripped out through, well, y'know? Cos otherwise...
If I may - and only if I may - I'd like to point out a bright spot at the logical endpoint of cultural appropriation hysteria. Starting with international football, it will become unacceptable to wear for'in jerseys, soon to be followed by the hysterical screech of "YOU'RE NOT FROM SALFORD!!! HOW DARE YOU APPROPRIATE MANCHESTER CULTURE?!?!?" directed at some poor, confused pleb as he tries to decide between Frosties and Coco Pops in his local Tesco.
I want to see some of that.
:laugh:
Quote from: Juggz on September 01, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
If I may - and only if I may - I'd like to point out a bright spot at the logical endpoint of cultural appropriation hysteria. Starting with international football, it will become unacceptable to wear for'in jerseys, soon to be followed by the hysterical screech of "YOU'RE NOT FROM SALFORD!!! HOW DARE YOU APPROPRIATE MANCHESTER CULTURE?!?!?" directed at some poor, confused pleb as he tries to decide between Frosties and Coco Pops in his local Tesco.
I want to see some of that.
Already happened, seen people at a match speaking something other than English being screamed at for being "fucking tourists ruining this club!!", while they happily cheer for the eleven men of all different nationlites on the pitch
Regarding the Adele case, it looks like it was just an excuse for all of the BBW to lash out at her for losing weight. For years these cunts looked up to her and her whiny bitch music.
It just seems a weird thing to be giving out about. Suppose I'll get abuse for my pink Hawaiian shirt next.
Quote from: Emphyrio on September 01, 2020, 03:52:13 PM
It just seems a weird thing to be giving out about. Suppose I'll get abuse for my pink Hawaiian shirt next.
And you'll deserve it. :laugh:
Nah man, it's a thing of beauty. Even has parrots on it.
Antiflattened :laugh:
Mr Grey Tracksuit: a soy-cuck's nightmare :laugh:
https://youtu.be/slhqWiLI_rc
I love the way RTÉ report these rallys. "Anti Mask Rally"..... "Attended by 500 people".... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/jlsSEkRHDv0
See you Saturday @2pm boiz..... :abbath:
https://m.facebook.com/events/s/time-for-change/3275445815869395/?ti=as
Class. Love when Irish people start getting rowdy, wouldn't know what could happen :laugh:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 08, 2020, 07:54:21 AM
I love the way RTÉ report these rallys. "Anti Mask Rally"..... "Attended by 500 people".... :laugh:
See you Saturday @2pm boiz..... :abbath:
https://m.facebook.com/events/s/time-for-change/3275445815869395/?ti=as
Sometimes it nearly looks like RTE have some sort of pro-government bias. Either that or the same lad who values the drug seizures is counting the attendance at these protests. Actually, no not him, it's his arch nemesis who underestimates everything
Always be aware that RTE is based in the heart of South Dublin, Donnybrook. Self interests and looking after eachother is what it's all about.
Remember their reporting on the water protests? That was ridiculous but apparently it worked so well and the right pockets have been lined, that they are using it again now against the anti lockdown protests.
There will always be paid Gov shills online with the Anti-protest narrative. Seems to work too.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2020, 03:24:28 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 08, 2020, 07:54:21 AM
I love the way RTÉ report these rallys. "Anti Mask Rally"..... "Attended by 500 people".... :laugh:
See you Saturday @2pm boiz..... :abbath:
https://m.facebook.com/events/s/time-for-change/3275445815869395/?ti=as
Sometimes it nearly looks like RTE have some sort of pro-government bias. Either that or the same lad who values the drug seizures is counting the attendance at these protests. Actually, no not him, it's his arch nemesis who underestimates everything
Simon covetous Coveney has a brother that's one of the heads of programming at RTÉ. Its a small world ey?
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2020, 03:24:28 PM
Sometimes it nearly looks like RTE have some sort of pro-government bias.
This was a sarcastic joke though, right? I mean, RTE have always had a pro-government bias!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 09, 2020, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2020, 03:24:28 PM
Sometimes it nearly looks like RTE have some sort of pro-government bias.
This was a sarcastic joke though, right? I mean, RTE have always had a pro-government bias!
And are largely funded by the government so aren't going to bite the hand that feeds.
Quote from: Juggz on September 09, 2020, 04:03:31 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 09, 2020, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2020, 03:24:28 PM
Sometimes it nearly looks like RTE have some sort of pro-government bias.
This was a sarcastic joke though, right? I mean, RTE have always had a pro-government bias!
And are largely funded by the government so aren't going to bite the hand that feeds.
Ah yeah it was a joke. It's to be expected that they would report things as they do. Much like Newstalk ignoring the existence of Denis O'Brien over the years.
RIPJKROWLING trending there over her transphobic book which doesn't have a transsexual, but a cross dressing character. Amazing.
Jesus. Saw people yesterday commenting that she is literally a nazi. I'm puzzled as to which word they understand the least. Literally or nazi?
These fucking dopes are like a plague. What the fuck is after happening to everyone?
I'd nearly read the thing out of spite for them all. Nearly meaning not any actual chance.
And there's a whole bunch of them who've now decided Harry Potter doesn't belong to her anymore, it belongs to them instead. :laugh: The fans are doing their best to rival the Kpop cultists for the most fucked up fanbase.
Quote from: Scáthach on September 16, 2020, 06:16:18 PM
Jesus. Saw people yesterday commenting that she is literally a nazi. I'm puzzled as to which word they understand the least. Literally or nazi?
Jews and blacks with the wrong opinion, most glaringly Candace Owens, are routinely called Nazis.
The misuse of the word 'literally' deserves a place on the pet peeves thread. I heard a girl describe her hangover in the following terms once, 'I was literally hanging'. Just swinging from the gibbet she was.
Shame that wasn't literal.
I can't think of a better reason to buy that book than to piss those cunts off.
Yeah I hope the book does really well so they can feel more bad than they already do. Or would that feed them a bit more?
I think these people hate themselves so much that they actually thrive on looking for outside sources to blame for how bad they feel.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 16, 2020, 09:38:24 PM
I heard a girl describe her hangover in the following terms once, 'I was literally hanging'. Just swinging from the gibbet she was.
Perfect description for that desolate hangover. That one true bastard of a lifetime one.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 16, 2020, 06:04:56 PM
RIPJKROWLING trending there over her transphobic book which doesn't have a transsexual, but a cross dressing character. Amazing.
Can't be arsed looking up what's going on with Rowling, but I'm guessing similar to the hounding Graham Linehan got for disagreeing with hormone therapy for teenagers?
She posted this and triggermania ensued:
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1269382518362509313?s=20
Quote from: Carnage on September 16, 2020, 10:50:18 PM
She posted this and triggermania ensued:
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1269382518362509313?s=20
I've sailed the 7 merry seas of Pornhub, X-Hamster, etc and never EVER seen a dude menstruating. Wtf?
I saw a dude stick a jam jar up his ass and it cracked open up there with lumps of blood dropping out. Does that count?
(cunt didn't even flinch - legend) :abbath: :laugh:
I'm delighted she had the guts to say those things. Look at the advances for women, it's only been really around half a century and these lot are trying to undermine it and take it away. The world has gone through a total revolution, indeed you could include the majority of humanity in that revolution I suppose, but most especially women have come into the world in ways that nobody could have imagined 100 years ago. The moaners are always looking at the glass half empty, but seeing young women being able to work and live incredible and productive lives, women from all backgrounds, races etc etc, maybe, just maybe things are actually improving despite all the attempts to sell us the opposite narrative.
Just again though, in case it wasn't clear already, "people who menstruate" but don't wish to be called women are women by birth who identify as men, which somewhat puts to bed the whole reasoning about this undermining women's rights; how is it not an embodiment of another right women now have, notably to live as a man if that's how they experience their being??
In other words, if Rowling doesn't believe and doesn't want to accept the whole trans schtick, then her comment in that tweet can only be read as an attack on a minority group of...women!
The thing about the trans debate is, these activists have created absolute morals and values on something that isn't an exact science. Not only that, but their values are constantly shifting so even if you're 'woke' this week, next week your opinion could be outdated and then they'll hang you.
Even 10 years ago the 'progressive' stance on these sort of issues were people who 'didn't do labels', now you're expected to have an encyclopedic knowledge on constantly evolving labels and if you don't you're a bigot, lgbt wasn't good enough, now you have pansexuals, demisexuals, non-binary, gender fluid etc. Like for fuck sake they invented the term 'cis-gender' because they didn't want to use the term normal to refer to someone who thinks they were born in the right body.
These activists want to make hate laws about this shite when they can't even make up their own minds.
That's not even taking into account conversations they blatantly ignore, they want to talk about oppression and discrimination of trans people but don't want to acknowledge that trans people nearly universally all suffer from mental illness and over half of them attempt suicide at some point in their lives.
I genuinely do sympathise with them but I'm not convinced that being trans isn't a symptom of mental illness. Even if the world was kind and adapted to suit them and no one ever treated them differently or badly, I'm not exactly sure the depression these people suffer from would magically disappear.
There was a story last week about a woman in America who is getting in trouble for pretending to be black but I don't see the difference, if someone can identify as the opposite gender then how is race any different, why are we drawing the line there?
Shifting sands for sure. I'm not certain why they are lumped in with homosexuals, having gender dysphoria doesn't necessarily dictate sexual preference.
I watched a debate on Good Morning Britain with the usually repugnant Piers Morgan, a transgender, George Galloway and a professional activist, and the only one with an issue with the book (remember, the protagonist dresses in a woman's coat and hat in order to avoid detection, nothing whatsoever to do with gender reassignment) was the activist, accusing her of 'whipping up hatred' et al. It's hard to believe that this can be a sincerely held belief. The cunt hadn't even read the book!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 17, 2020, 07:03:06 AM
Just again though, in case it wasn't clear already, "people who menstruate" but don't wish to be called women are women by birth who identify as men, which somewhat puts to bed the whole reasoning about this undermining women's rights; how is it not an embodiment of another right women now have, notably to live as a man if that's how they experience their being??
In other words, if Rowling doesn't believe and doesn't want to accept the whole trans schtick, then her comment in that tweet can only be read as an attack on a minority group of...women!
What's a woman though? That's a sincere question.
You can experience your being all you want but you don't have a cock..end of.
As a man wiser than myself once said, sure it's all a load of shite.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 17, 2020, 09:20:04 AM
As a man wiser than myself once said, sure it's all a load of shite.
Case closed.... (bualadh bos)..... ::)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 17, 2020, 07:30:22 AM
the usually repugnant Piers Morgan,
Finally something the right, left and centrists can agree on
I think he's lovely.
Well, speak of the devil:
https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2020/09/judith-butler-culture-wars-jk-rowling-and-living-anti-intellectual-times
I know some of you will find an interview with Judith Butler very difficult to read, but since you have her in large part to blame for lots of the ideas you despise, it's worth seeing what she has to say on the subject today. Read it to the end or don't read it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 23, 2020, 11:56:43 AM
Well, speak of the devil:
https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2020/09/judith-butler-culture-wars-jk-rowling-and-living-anti-intellectual-times
I know some of you will find an interview with Judith Butler very difficult to read, but since you have her in large part to blame for lots of the ideas you despise, it's worth seeing what she has to say on the subject today. Read it to the end or don't read it.
Listen very carefully. There are two genders...
Men, and people who are not men.
This was my introduction to the name Judith Butler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s8_zUyESlE&t=15s&ab_channel=CalvinWinestead
And that was my introduction to the name Derrick Jensen! Seems an interesting fellow.
The Butler quote he gives is from Undoing Gender; I'd say you can find it easily on libgen, if context is something that interests you.
Cheers, I'll have a gander.
Speaking of context, I think this is the full talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5IEnrQyqc&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=DeepGreenResistance
Was reading on his wiki there that he wrote a whole book on anarchism and violation but that the publisher pulled it. He should release it online.
Yeah I'd definitely give that a read if it were made available.
I don't know where I'd stand on the whole anarcho-primitivist view, but I suppose I'd share his ecological outlooks given I enjoy self sufficiency.
I think Keith Woods does a good job here speaking about the anarchism of Butler versus the anarchism of Jensen, based on that clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27TXMvGDqJM&t=720s&ab_channel=KeithWoods
Unless you know Butler and Foucault's philosophies better than he does, and yet somehow still agree with his conclusions, then I don't know how you could conclude that he's doing a good job, since he talks in only the vaguest of generalities. I've never heard of Keith Woods before, but I dropped by his Twitter page and was hit by several "libtard" memes within the last 24 hours. Despite his big talk, I don't really think that makes for a good spokesperson for "transcending" anything!
Yeah I wouldn't be as familiar with their doctrines as he would, but even realising there's a split in anarchism between the Liberal individualist type of Butler, and the kind of anti-State but pro-collectivist/tribal ideas of Jensen are all new to me, so I enjoyed it for imparting that much at least.
He's a bit of a mixed bag, I've enjoyed some of his videos on third position ideas, as I had never considered anything beyond the left/right, capitalist/communist paradigm, but he's definitely a bit of a rascal.
If you want the historical context, which he doesn't give, then it's Bakunin's collectivist anarchism versus Proudhon's "libertarian" anarchism. But, for me, even that is a question of interpretation. Like when I read Proudhon, I didn't read him as a libertarian at all, and the fact that libertarians look to him as something of a godfather came as a surprise to me. But yeah, Bakunin is definitely worth reading; his interpretation of the garden of Eden story must have been dynamite at the time: "Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds."
Just reading through his wiki now. What an absolute mad lad, and a Bathory descendent, if legend is to be believed.
I'll pick up something of his to have a look at. Seems like quite the character.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 23, 2020, 11:56:43 AM
Well, speak of the devil:
https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2020/09/judith-butler-culture-wars-jk-rowling-and-living-anti-intellectual-times
I know some of you will find an interview with Judith Butler very difficult to read, but since you have her in large part to blame for lots of the ideas you despise, it's worth seeing what she has to say on the subject today. Read it to the end or don't read it.
She finishes up with this:
AF: What do you think would break this impasse in feminism over trans rights? What would lead to a more constructive debate?
JB: I suppose a debate, were it possible, would have to reconsider the ways in which the medical determination of sex functions in relation to the lived and historical reality of gender.
*Judith Butler goes by she or they
Essentially a whole load of nothing, an impossible conversation really and one which she most likely would set the rules for. The article is just a whole lot of word play, a kind of intellectual fencing that she is capable of doing ensconced in her academic ivory tower.
And yet she's smugly dangerous, pushing experiments on small kids and legalization of pedophilia. Jesus something really bad must have happened for her to end up like that.
I'd also add that women's toilets by their very nature are meant to be exclusionary. It's the very idea behind them. A 'safe space' where the sex that gets pregnant, has periods and pisses differently can do their thing in peace. The idea that everyone should be invited into them for a tour, just stick on a dress and waltz around with their cock hanging out goes entirely against the whole concept. We can relativise anything intellectually, but there exists a practical, pragmatic side to all of this too which gets left out of the conversation. Maybe the answer is the 3rd toilet. Maybe the answer is 2 more for kids to keep them away from creeps because god knows there were plenty around when I was young.
Did someone mention legalising paedophilia?
https://youtu.be/yuUutL6bhM0
Quote from: Pedrito on September 23, 2020, 05:45:47 PM
I'd also add that women's toilets by their very nature are meant to be exclusionary. It's the very idea behind them. A 'safe space' where the sex that gets pregnant, has periods and pisses differently can do their thing in peace. The idea that everyone should be invited into them for a tour, just stick on a dress and waltz around with their cock hanging out goes entirely against the whole concept. We can relativise anything intellectually, but there exists a practical, pragmatic side to all of this too which gets left out of the conversation. Maybe the answer is the 3rd toilet. Maybe the answer is 2 more for kids to keep them away from creeps because god knows there were plenty around when I was young.
I mean, as it stands, any man who feels so inclined could do his utmost to look like a woman and sneak into the ladies toilets in order to get close enough to women to assault them. It's still assault, and it would still be assault if s.he claimed she was identifying as a woman that day/week/month/lifetime. These scenarios are pure alarmist fart, if you ask me. And, whatever about whatever it is you're referring to "experiments on kids", Judith Butler (who's not someone I agree with philosophically) is no more pushing for the legalization of paedophilia than Ozzy Osborne was pushing kids to suicide.
What's your take on the article then? You stuck it up without really saying why. I don't tend to agree with her. She has said plenty of outrageous nonsense over the years. The assault argument is far below the main argument anyway. The main argument is the reason for exclusion.
Why is the male toilet not ok? We could argue pure alarmist fart about transgenders getting attacked in male toilets too. We could argue pure alamrmist fart about a man who supposedly is a woman. It's all pure alarmist fart. But they want access to one jacks to get away from the other. Maybe the 3rd toilet is the way? It probably is, though I'm sure economics will come into that. An extra toilet for .0 whatever portion of the population. Ideally it would exist, but it's still not good enough argument for women having to concede their space.
If you honestly think that there's a higher chance of a transgender woman assaulting a woman in a ladies toilets than a transgender woman being harassed/assaulted in a men's toilets, fair enough. Personally, being a man and knowing men, I find that almost impossible to believe, but I have no kind of data or whatever.
"I think we are living in anti-intellectual times, and that this is evident across the political spectrum. The quickness of social media allows for forms of vitriol that do not exactly support thoughtful debate. We need to cherish the longer forms."
And let's remind ourselves of two things on that: JK got herself in all this trouble because she just couldn't manage not to scut out a "quip" on Twitter, and that Judith Butler doesn't have an account at all, so it's not just your typical empty sentiment. Sure, many who look up to her do have accounts and do scut out shite non-stop, but there's as much wisdom in those three sentences as there were in the entire Harper's letter, for those who are receptive to it.
I liked the sentence. She has others that I'd be extremely wary of though. She's right about Rowling for what it's worth(in terms of twitter vomit), it's entirely unnecessary, but that's the way of the world right now.
I'm pretty sure you'd be right to be wary about them! Being wary isn't the problem; the problem is people dismissing based on hearsay, based on snippets, which are often delivered without context to make them sound as shocking as possible. Jensen, in that video, for example, removed the quote he used from its context within an essay about psychoanalysis (which has always been obsessed with incest) and presented it to make it sound like she was saying, "incest is grand." And why did he do that? To get a rise out of some trouble-makers, except now it's out there on video, and lots of people who will never take the time to check out the full argumentation it comes from have had their minds made up for them. That's anti-intellectualism, pure and simple, just as much as the crap the liberals come out with.
Jaysus that boiled my blood absolutely rotten, that slut would have been the first one tied to a post at Salem! Cheers, nice to have a human emotion other than frustration with the way work is at the moment:)
The response to yer wan Ginsbergs death is gas altogether. You'd swear she was Jesus V.2.
Any of you seen the story in the news yesterday about the gardai warning of a dangerous teenage girl being released in to the public, people have posted the court documents online and it turns out it's actually a biological male who identifies as a female, but the gardai and media never originally released that info. The whole trans debates going to get interesting...
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-issue-alert-around-the-country-as-homicidal-teen-to-be-released-39558022.html
What in the fuck? Lunacy
Reg: What?
Stan: I want to be a woman. From now on I want you all to call me Loretta.
Reg: What!?
Stan: It's my right as a man.
Judith: Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
Stan: I want to have babies.
Reg: You want to have babies?!?!?!
Stan: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
Reg: But you can't have babies.
Stan: Don't you oppress me.
Reg: I'm not oppressing you, Stan -- you haven't got a womb. Where's the
fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?
(Stan starts crying.)
Judith: Here! I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually
have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the
Romans', but that he can have the *right* to have babies.
Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to
have babies, brother. Sister, sorry.
Reg: (pissed) What's the *point*?
Francis: What?
Reg: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies, when he
can't have babies?
Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Reg: It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.
Quote from: ldj on September 25, 2020, 04:28:37 PM
Any of you seen the story in the news yesterday about the gardai warning of a dangerous teenage girl being released in to the public, people have posted the court documents online and it turns out it's actually a biological male who identifies as a female, but the gardai and media never originally released that info. The whole trans debates going to get interesting...
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-issue-alert-around-the-country-as-homicidal-teen-to-be-released-39558022.html
It's a horrifying, appalling story on every level. There's some background on this extremely dangerous and disturbed individual here (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/teen-who-vows-to-kill-set-to-be-back-on-the-streets-within-weeks-38653835.html), and more in the court report here (https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/e363c19e-6e79-4e35-a3fe-d5e8dee785fe/2019_IECA_109_1.pdf/pdf) (PDF). Some of the press stories mentioned reporting restrictions, but it still hard to understand the failure to report facts stated in court. As things stand in this country right now, this person's crimes are reported as a "woman's crimes" and, if detained again, they will be held in a women's prison just like this sexual offender (https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners/).
But of course this kind of thing just "never happens" (and if it does you won't hear about it), and there are no problems at all stemming from Ireland's sneaked-through laws on self-ID.
She wants to rape and murder with her big female penis. I knew we should never have let them out of the kitchen.
It's kind of hilarious though. So far is the extent of social justice warrior reach to find this fairly acceptable.
First thing I would be doing if facing a long sentence is declaring myself to be a woman.
WW3 is sounding sweeter by the day.
Quote from: Blackout on September 25, 2020, 05:36:18 PM
It's kind of hilarious though. So far is the extent of social justice warrior reach to find this fairly acceptable.
First thing I would be doing if facing a long sentence is declaring myself to be a woman.
That's a fucking great idea!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 25, 2020, 05:41:28 PM
WW3 is sounding sweeter by the day.
The Conflict of Nations is the game for you!
Actually, they keep spamming Twitter with their ads, but the amount of people losing their shit (because of the concept of a WW3 sim rather than the ads being everywhere) is insane. Over a fucking cheap war video game. Bet these people are the type to play GTA by doing no crime whatsoever, stopping at red lights, and generally tut tutting at people blowing stuff up.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 25, 2020, 05:35:20 PM
She wants to rape and murder with her big female penis. I knew we should never have let them out of the kitchen.
I take it she still has her penis? I can't quite understand how if I said she's not really a woman, I'd be called a transphobe and a terf by the twitter mob and be worse then Hitler.
On another forum I was on somebody was asking for advice cause they were thinking of starting a relationship with a trans woman but was worried what to do about telling his family as they were a bit concervative.
The general advice was 'tell them you're going out with a woman.... because you are.'
I wonder if it's kinda like the '28 days later has zombies' in it's debate.
Cause they are Zombies. You fucking Zerfs.
Latest on that story above: Teenager in custody charged with threats to kill two people (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teenager-in-custody-charged-with-threats-to-kill-two-people-39562763.html)
QuoteMs Kardashian was "very anxious she be detained in a prison facility for females, as she identifies as a female," Ms Finan told the court.
^ what believing the "just be kind" voices has led to.
There's a mugshot of 'her' doing the rounds on social media, looks like the fucking joker :laugh:.
What is with these idiots? They ascribe all these societal and cultural characteristics to 'whiteness', it's such deeply inaccurate racist bullshit.
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Think about how complicated the simple ideas of Christ became once these types got hold of them. You take an idea and analyse it into the ground, apply a tonne of 'intellectual' and impenetrable explanations to it and you're left with nothing but air, nothing that gives life but everything that restricts and hinders it.
The martial arts is another great example of taking something very much real and practical and over thinking it to the point of stripping it of all its meaning..see styles such as Aikido, Nin Jitsu etc. I spent plenty of time in classes listening to extravagant explanations on pressure points,chi manipulation, all sorts of nonsense bollox that served to cloak everything in myticism and deep explanations, hidden knowledge etc. Thankfully, in the last 20 years BJJ, MMA etc came along and tore the bollox out of the industry.
And this whole 'whiteness' and race studies genre is the very same thing. You take an idea and drag the absolute bollox out of it. Something that is in fact quite a simple concept to understand and layer it up in denser and denser layers of meaning. And like the martial arts there's definitely 'something' to it, but the constant talk of 'conversations' and perspectives is just more of the same completely impractical, unrealistic juju that infested the church, infested martial arts and I'd imagine many other 'disciplines'. But guess what? It's an industry too. And people live off it and have whole careers based on it, do doctorates in it. So there's a lot more at stake with these people than a 'search for the truth'. But that's the part they always fail to leave out.
Man, it's such an exhausting load of crap. Bringing everything back to ethnicity and skin colour is so utterly reductive. Indoctrinating people to view themselves (and everyone else) first and foremost through the prism of their race, seems like a massive backward step.
I suppose the question is, are there enough sensible people in the world to see through this bollocks. It's niche, nutty thinking that has currency in certain quarters and has been pushed by the mainstream media, but I can't imagine many rational people take it seriously. It's far too divisive and damaging.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 26, 2020, 11:53:26 AM
What is with these idiots? They ascribe all these societal and cultural characteristics to 'whiteness', it's such deeply inaccurate racist bullshit.
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Is this stuff new to you? This is just a review of the basic tenets of "life is easier when you're white", as presented humorously by many comedians, including Louis CK, for example. I get you don't agree with it, but it seems odd to post a review of the fundamentals as if it was news.
I didn't realise it was a parody, although it has all the hallmarks of one. My point is that the tenets of whiteness they espouse are essentially those of post enlightenment England. You couldn't substitute Russian for white, for example, Spanish either. It's Protestant work ethic, individualistic etc. But these clowns view these characteristics through the prism of race, which is a) preposterous and b) a bit fucking condescending if you are a black European embedded in the culture .
Sometimes I don't know how seriously to take your naïvety.
The idea that life is (generally, probabilistically, statistically, all those concepts that seem to cause so much comprehension trouble for conservatives) easier when you're white is so banal that it can form the premise of a sketch and everyone - everyone - will get it, regardless of how much their own personal white life might suck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87LGmm1M5Is
Haven't you ever heard of the concept of "playing white"? It was a pretty big thing in the county you're so fond of referencing, South Africa. Coloureds (i.e. mixed race) who were sufficiently pale could "play white", as in essentially renounce the trappings of their cultural background and blend in and try to get further ahead than they would otherwise have been able to had their skin colour "better matched" their ethnicity. That is how literal, merely skin-deep "whiteness" has historically come into play, whether your cultural background is Russian or Spanish or whatever; the less "ethnic" your skin colour is in the US, the less likely you are to be labelled as anything other than simply "American", i.e. not African-American or Asian-American or Native-American. Historically, in many countries, if you wanted to get ahead and you could pull it off, there was an advantage in playing white. That is telling, no? All other things being equal, is there still a net overall advantage in being or playing white? I don't know. Pretty hard to quantify I imagine, but the sentiment among non-whites (again, talking in the most superficial, skin-deep terms here) certainly seems to be that, yes, overall, ceteris paribus, there is. And if there is, then "playing white" involves - to a lesser or greater extent - abandoning the trappings that would belie the effort.
Nicely put, and quite accurate (although I haven't referenced South Africa to the extent that you are implying, but anyways), I think you are overlooking the issue I'm bringing up, the observation of 'whiteness' and 'white' characteristics, as if they are innate racial traits.
If a superficial, pseudo-academic report on 'blackness' were released, how do you think it would be perceived? Poorly, and correctly so. 'Race' is an accident of birth, it cannot be bought, sold or altered. It has no bearing on anything. Culture on the other hand, does. It's idiotic to view anything from a 'race' perspective. I sympathise with whites in SA because they are being persecuted, not because they are white.
Read the chart that this 'think tank' (ha ha) has published regarding whites in the US. It's completely imbecilic. Fucking race baiting bullshit.
They deleted the chart you're talking about following criticism...so I'll do your work for you ;)
(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/07/NINTCHDBPICT000596076146.jpg)
(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/07/NINTCHDBPICT000596076148.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1kzxCYS.gif)
*that last one's a joke...just in case*
Minus that chart, the rest of the article is very standard stuff. As truly badly thought out as that chart was, it doesn't delete the fact that the dominant "game" in the US is one that has been historically easier to win if you're white, and impossible to win if you don't at the very least espouse and demonstrate standard Western values, such as being a Christian, openly expressing faith in God, having a wife and kids, and so on. A native American who openly lived according to native American traditions would never be taken seriously, for example. Since "the American dream" is so easy to conceptualize as a game, it's all really a question of what handicap you start out with and what you have to do to compensate. For many, this would involve shedding any cultural aspects that don't "fit". Like, could an Asian person rise high up in politics or institutional academia? Sure, but not if they were openly Buddhist (random example).
Well, the west is the best, I don't see the issue in others imitating it.
Sure this is the ultimate irony right there; debating moral values with a pagan metal fan who's defending traditional Catholic and, even more specifically, Protestant modes of living. I love the west, but I prefer the archaic west personally ;)
You're putting words in my mouth there kid. :abbath:
The west is the best, of the options available. Flawed as it is, it's better than Tehran or Bombay, Caracas or the artist formerly known as Rhodesia. Can't you accept that? You and your mates like that tit who wrote 'white fragility' (bound insanity) can't just leave well enough alone.
The auld Latvian pagan tribal lifestyle is a bit before my time.
The "options available" are not limited by what is currently in practice in the world. The liberal moral "west" of today was unimaginable between 30 and 100 years ago, depending on which country where it's currently the standard status quo you look to. We should go tripping together some time man! :laugh:
The pansies in charge 'west side' (with the exception of Dūda in Poland and yer boy in Hungary) were unimaginable n'all, but sure didn't Rangers sign Mo Johnstone and didn't the Serbs vote in the worlds biggest wanker in Vucic (people like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis, you can't trust people Jeremy) so nothing surprises me anymore lad.
I'm quieter on the nippy sweeties, so a few of them on top of the mushies, otherwise Interpol will be after one of us, especially if a pint is involved :)
Quote from: ldj on September 25, 2020, 04:28:37 PM
Any of you seen the story in the news yesterday about the gardai warning of a dangerous teenage girl being released in to the public, people have posted the court documents online and it turns out it's actually a biological male who identifies as a female, but the gardai and media never originally released that info. The whole trans debates going to get interesting...
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-issue-alert-around-the-country-as-homicidal-teen-to-be-released-39558022.html
The Joker is right....
https://gript.ie/photo-barbie-kardashian-irelands-homicidal-girl/
Christ..
You'd certainly need a few pints.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine
The Joker is right....
https://gript.ie/photo-barbie-kardashian-irelands-homicidal-girl/
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Slight change of pace here, but if Black Lives Matter so much why isn't everyone trying to save all the black lives being needlessly lost in Africa every day of the week through starvation? The PC brigade could do with having a bit of a think about that instead of getting on their knees for the black criminals shot by the cops in the US. The situation in the US has so many facets to it and yet the world hunger situation has the solution staring us in the face. Feed them. The major difference I see is that there is no profit in it so that must be why that one isn't getting rammed down our throats, or indeed the throats of those dying of starvation.
Top 5 billionaires in the world wouldn't even feel a dent in their balance to solve that one, but instead use their influence to "save" us all from the likes of racism and that other thing I always bang on about.
Just some thoughts. Back on topic the easy solution for the Kardashian thing there is to put it in the women's prison. In solitary confinement.
Shuuuush Nazi!
Next up... Holocaust denying!
Quote from: astfgyl on September 27, 2020, 09:01:08 PM
Slight change of pace here, but if Black Lives Matter so much why isn't everyone trying to save all the black lives being needlessly lost in Africa every day of the week through starvation? The PC brigade could do with having a bit of a think about that instead of getting on their knees for the black criminals shot by the cops in the US. The situation in the US has so many facets to it and yet the world hunger situation has the solution staring us in the face. Feed them. The major difference I see is that there is no profit in it so that must be why that one isn't getting rammed down our throats, or indeed the throats of those dying of starvation.
Top 5 billionaires in the world wouldn't even feel a dent in their balance to solve that one, but instead use their influence to "save" us all from the likes of racism and that other thing I always bang on about.
Just some thoughts. Back on topic the easy solution for the Kardashian thing there is to put it in the women's prison. In solitary confinement.
Yeah because relief aid to African countries hasn't been a thing for decades. And advertisements for charities don't exist, no siree. Those guys on the street trying to sign you up for donations? Hmm, doesn't fit your narrative so let's just casually ignore all the efforts and put down people that are striving for change in another place that needs it.
George Floyd was a petty criminal, doesn't mean the cop was allowed to be his judge, jury and executioner, now does it? Breona Taylor - not a criminal. You know, I'm not arsed trawling the internet to find all their names because the information is freely available, but most of the black people shot by white police weren't criminals or engaging in activities that warranted lethal force.
Probably various interconnected reasons why the people in different African countries aren't a focus for BLM, such as the fact that the countries that are in poverty are pretty much all black, from top to bottom so that particular issue of division is not relevant; the fact that in these countries there are other pressing issues to face such as the immediate dangers of your family starving to death, your kids being recruited into or killed by illegal paramilitary groups; surviving civil wars; living in a hostile natural environment and the massive levels of corruption in many of these places. Just pointing out the obvious.
Plus, there are countless charity organizations operating there to try to build schools, houses, educate the people and teach them how to farm and trying to provide clean water and basic medical care.
It's an entirely different kettle of fish for a million reasons. That said, I'm against the BLM organisation as it seems to be more harmful and regressive in terms of solving whatever issues face African Americans. I think that telling young black men (because they seem to be the ones most caught up) that they are victims, that first and foremost they are black, that that is the most important aspect of their identity, can only cause more damage. They need their Jordan Peterson to tell them, no! First and foremost you are an individual, you have certain responsibilities to live up to, society has certain reasonable demands to make of you and you will only improve your position if you actively choose to. That is not to say racism doesn't exist or that the system isn't rigged against them in certain ways, but they can still be inspired to become more. Telling them that they are essentially hated by everyone, looked down upon and seen as pathetic, violent and criminal must be incredibly dehumanizing. But that is the self- crippling message being put forth. And I'm not sure it's reflective of the outlook of most modern white Americans.
All that said, America seems beyond repair, or a very long way from it. Left v right 4 life!
I agree with what should be the core message of the BLM movement (as in, cops shouldn't be killing black people), when these activists, whether its BLM/Trans activists/SJW's start getting into stuff like cultural appropriation and other forms of identity politics I bow out.
Laurence Fox launching a new political party:
https://news.sky.com/story/laurence-fox-controversial-actor-launches-political-party-to-fight-the-culture-wars-12083457
Quote"The people of the United Kingdom are tired of being told that we represent the very thing we have, in history, stood together against."
So unusual for a conservative political party to have such a blind view of history, no?
Unrelated to him, because obviously he's from a very privileged background. But I do think working class people in the UK and US feel abandoned by left wing politics, which has resulted in Brexit and Trump.
I have family in the Valleys in Wales where I visit regularly, a very working class area where the mines used to be, these are predominantly white areas where there's no industry, career prospects, tourism etc, I see a lot of these people I know sharing stuff like 'All Lives Matter' and I genuinely don't believe they mean it to be racist, more out of ignorance, these people are living in near poverty yet everywhere they turn in the media they are being hammered with this message that white people are inherently priveliged and they're thinking 'How the fuck am I privileged'.
It doesn't help that this type of identity politics is generally peddled by people from a middle class background with a university education. We have people from privileged backgrounds lecturing people from working class backgrounds how privileged they are, it's only natural they're going to get pissed off.
Middle class twats with a University education will do all they can to set themselves apart from the great unwashed. This is just another fad in a long list of ways that snobs use to say that they're better and you're less.
Indeed the whole concept of restricted speech has deep roots in middle class culture and snobbery. The way you talk, your accent, the fact you still eat meat instead of avocados, your children not going to privileged, twatty cunt schools where they become bilingual and don't only speak the tongue of the common guttersnipe. In Ireland it can be Gaelscoils and private schools, here in Spain the fancy fuckers speak English with their kids at home, often in the street. Just a nice subtle way to say 'you lot are filth'.
Then we have food. You go to somewhere like Richmond in London, it's all farmer's markets and avocados, vegan whatever and rich women strolling around combinihg clothes that peasants wear in other countries with a Chanel bag. Fusion fashion and that bed head look that all these middle class girls seem to go in for..it would be outrageous if it wasn't all so utterly predictable.
And now in Hollywood it's cool to have non-gendered children. Charlize Theron is at it, that spanner that married Prince Harry too. And low and behold, I'm starting to see it with a girl/woman I know who fits all the above stereotypes, her posting pics of her little girl wearing boys clothes etc etc. Again, entirely predictable. It would be funny if she wasn't so utterly brainwashed by this shite.
And the BLM stuff, the refugee stuff. It's all so predictable. But these people don't have to put up with the consequences in their airy fairy middle class neighbourhoods. They get to prance around universities and farmer's markets and get served by underpaid immigrants who are expected to smile and be grateful when they ask them where they are from, and 'oh my god we went on holidays there..so beautiful!' Yeah, fuck off!
Y'all play your role in left wing politics' migration away from its (socio-economic) fundamentals when you refer to liberal movements as "Marxist", etc., when they are clearly absolutely nothing of the sort. No accident that this is done; it's very much an intentional strategy to undermine core socialist theory by identifying it with things it barely even references. See how much Peterson floundered like a buffoon when he ill-advisedly decided to tackle the Communist Manifesto. Of course, it didn't matter, because essentially none of his followers will ever engage with it themselves. "Marxist" to them is like "fascist"; a label which means "I don't need to explore this for myself, it's necessarily horseshit."
But yeah, the "left" is also internally fucked, no doubt about it.
It's difficult to see any resolution between left and right when farmers markets are one of the contentious issues.
'Left wing' politics has been hijacked by neo-liberals and the elites and used to flog more stuff, stop us talking in certain ways and generally control us. It's no fluke that every big company now has its own Lgbtq section and diversity hiring practices, but it's all just with one end goal in mind: 'flog more shit'.
As long as they keep rubbing the backs of the outrage merchants though, a blind eye is turned to the more outrageous shit that they engage in: sweatshops, all that sneaky legal stuff they get away with, money in the Bahamas, monopolisation etc.
I see Spotify workers are losing their shit over Joe Rogan at the moment. They certainly don't lose their shit at all the musicians off whose backs they are earning on average $100k+ working in their fancy headquarters in NY. Pure, unadulterated hypocrisy all of it. They have no problem ripping off millions of musicians' work worldwide, paying a pittence for the work, but they'll come out in force if a lad has a discussion over why a girl should be called a boy. Cogs in the machine.
I thinking you're referring to 'cultural Marxism' rather than Marxism per se. The beautiful thing about that title is not that it's accurate, it's that it pisses left wing yobbos off to an amazing extent :)
Right. No one, neither liberals nor the right, cares about the workers, as per usual. So by insisting that liberals be called "communists" or "Marxists" of some declination ("cultural Marxists" or whatever made up term is catchy enough to stick), conservatives and libertarians ensure that conflations are easily drawn and appear credible. And of course, the liberals are usually happy enough to adopt these labels, because it gives them some sort of semblance of intellectual credibility. And all the while? The real proles get nothing and the economic left loses its platform absolutely. "Lexit" (leftist Brexit) had some great arguments, for example, but there was absolutely no room for it between the liberal ex-Erasmus crowd on the one side and UKIP on the other, so UKIP are who the workers heard more than anyone else, and the liberals then blamed the "retarded and racist" working class for the vote not going their way. In other words, true "Communists" or "socialists" or "Marxists", in the core economic sense, have no voice anymore.
Well when all Labour politicians are going to the same schools and Universities, most of them studying the same degrees as their conservative counterparts in Oxford and Cambridge, how can there be any distinction? That's old news. Champagne socialism it's called. It's essentially what a lot of this outrage culture is anyway. The idea that these social climbers give a fuck about some black/white/purple/green person living on a council estate is beyond a laugh. Them people were sold out decades ago. The dole and social housing a perfect way to buy them off and not have to create work for them. So, call it what you like, the terminology doesn't really matter because it's neither marxism nor fascism but just plain old simple politics.
Meanwhile, millionaire footballers kneel about a cause that is going on thousands of miles away, while up the street there are no factories, no jobs, lawlessness, homelessness, drugs, abuse, etc etc etc etc. A total sham.
"all" no. But certainly enough of them to explain the successful concerted sabotage effort to get rid of Corbyn.
Absolutely. A fella I know here is Marxist, in that he believes sincerely in Marxist doctrine, a socialist in the truest sense. He's completely bewildered by people conflating that ideology with the social causes celébres, identity politics, this generation's version of champagne socialism.
I don't claim to understand Marx fully, but from what my limited capacity has garnered, I disagree with. That and it has been a disaster wherever and whenever it's been implemented, the inevitable apathy, corruption, shortages etc. Still, it deserves a certain degree of respect as an ethos, and there is no reason whatsoever for shoehorning all the other bullshit in with it.
I do enjoy calling my political enemies 'commies' or 'Marxists', even though the accuracy of the label is usually quite a ways away from 100 %. But sure, s'all in the game yo.
The point about 'cultural marxism' has nothing to do with housing for the poor or poverty in general, factory workers, nothing of the sort. The 'cultural marxism' term refers to an attack on free speech and speech control that is going on in the States and now on a wider scale, throughout the western world. Whether it's correct to call it 'marxism' is a whole conversation in itself, but the fact is that much of this way of thinking, this weaponising of speech control, the shutting down of people with views that do not conform to the agenda these people defend, it's coming from sectors that are often self-defining as marxists. BLM has a huge 'marxist' undercurrent to it, it is written all.over their website, many of their leaders talk about it etc. So, this Marxism has about as much to do with Karl Marx as Trump has to do with a 'fascist' Hitler or Mussolini.
Quote from: Ducky on September 27, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on September 27, 2020, 09:01:08 PM
Slight change of pace here, but if Black Lives Matter so much why isn't everyone trying to save all the black lives being needlessly lost in Africa every day of the week through starvation? The PC brigade could do with having a bit of a think about that instead of getting on their knees for the black criminals shot by the cops in the US. The situation in the US has so many facets to it and yet the world hunger situation has the solution staring us in the face. Feed them. The major difference I see is that there is no profit in it so that must be why that one isn't getting rammed down our throats, or indeed the throats of those dying of starvation.
Top 5 billionaires in the world wouldn't even feel a dent in their balance to solve that one, but instead use their influence to "save" us all from the likes of racism and that other thing I always bang on about.
Just some thoughts. Back on topic the easy solution for the Kardashian thing there is to put it in the women's prison. In solitary confinement.
Yeah because relief aid to African countries hasn't been a thing for decades. And advertisements for charities don't exist, no siree. Those guys on the street trying to sign you up for donations? Hmm, doesn't fit your narrative so let's just casually ignore all the efforts and put down people that are striving for change in another place that needs it.
George Floyd was a petty criminal, doesn't mean the cop was allowed to be his judge, jury and executioner, now does it? Breona Taylor - not a criminal. You know, I'm not arsed trawling the internet to find all their names because the information is freely available, but most of the black people shot by white police weren't criminals or engaging in activities that warranted lethal force.
Yeah you're right, they even had Live Aid and all. No protests as such though about the injustice of it all beyond a few crusties here and there. Where are the corporations pointing to the plight of people of all colours who are starving and stuck in abject poverty. As an aside, does it count if black cops shoot black people at all?
And yes I was being facetious. My point is that with all of the injustice in the world that the worldwide response to the US situation is a bit media driven more than anything we on this side of the world might really feel about it all. It's the corporate sponsored cause du jour and suits the virtue signallers. The same massive corporations going on their knees for the BLM could put their money where their mouths are and actually do something for someone. Supporting this one doesn't actually cost them anything that's the major difference there. Sure people are allowed protest for BLM against public health recommendations without condemnation, yet when 15,000 lined up in london the other day to peacefully protest the lockdown they were flogged by the cops and detained without charge. See any hypocrisy there?
I think the real problem with most things is the uneven distribution of wealth more than any black/white or left/right thing. The other stuff is all a consequence of wealth. And not just material wealth, spiritual wealth and health are also unevenly distributed not just between different parts of the world but also within countries such as this one and so many other western countries. The haves and have-nots thing is most of what I feel is wrong with everything. All the other shit just feels like an exercise in destabilisation to keep everyone's eye off the ball.
The delicate flowers of Trinity's Historical Society have pathetically revoked an invitation to Richard Dawkins:
Spiked - Now they've No Platformed Richard Dawkins (https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/28/now-theyve-no-platformed-richard-dawkins/)
TAC - Wokeness Comes For Dawkins (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/wokeness-comes-for-richard-dawkins-sarah-haider-live-not-by-lies/)
Pathetically is right! They missed out on a fine opportunity to say they cancelled his invitation because he's morphed into a blithering idiot over the last 20 years.
Dawkins is indeed a human caricature now - without the imagination to sound engaging on much of anything outside his immediate academic field - but the actual reasoning from Bríd O'Donnell to rescind the invitation sounds equally ludicrous:
QuoteShe added the society "will not be moving ahead with his address as we value our members comfort above all else".
- https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/trinity-college-historical-society-rescind-richard-dawkins-invitation-over-authors-stance-on-islam-and-sexual-assault-39568028.html
God forbid feeling uncomfortable by words and ideas in a collegiate society. It's not the end of the world, I realise. He's still got plenty of platform available to him, and they're merely exercising their freedom to revoke their own platform to him. But we're still clearly beyond parody on some of this stuff.
What I hate most about it is that in terms of agreeing with people, it's pushing me into the same side of the Venn diagram as some absoloute weapons. I'm sure others here have plenty of experience with this too, recently. I guess that's ultimately a healthy thing, though, as you really shouldn't find yourself pinned by your jocks to either the right or left side of the wall exclusively - for all those terms can mean now in terms of culture and identity politics. Mugs game, that.
To be perfectly honest, I'm more surprised to discover that he had been invited in the first place. Whatever about being emotionally offensive, some of his tweets over the last few years have been nothing short of retarded.
Such as?
Ah, the safe space generation strikes again. Isn't part of the point of going to college to prepare oneself for the big bad world? Instead they learn to be perpetual children, firmly attached to mummy's apron strings for life. Pathetic indeed.
If he was allowed hold views on Christianity in traditionally Christian societies, then I see no reason he can't have an opinion on Islam. Fuck these SJW cunts. You give them a taste of even the tiniest sense of power and they start lathering at the mouth. Everyone else has to suffer because they couldn't hack it in secondary school.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 29, 2020, 12:31:20 PM
Such as?
I'll let him lay it out for you himself:
https://www.richarddawkins.net/2014/07/response-to-a-bizarre-twitter-storm/
If you can find a shred of genuine intelligence in there, let alone - god forbid - wisdom, please scrub the shit off it and present it to us, because I'm at a loss.
How anyone, in 2020, thought Dawkins would have anything of interest left to say about anything is the surprising thing here. That the invitation ended up being revoked - agree or disagree - is not surprising at all, and that's where the towering instance of stupidity lies in this case; with the initial event programmers.
I don't know anything abbot Dawkins's tweets because I think Twitter is a waste of everyone's time but I would love to hear him talk on evolutionary theory. The religious stuff... well, whatever. It's only interesting to me from an evolutionary point of view, I'm not so excited about religion-bashing a I've heard it all a million times. Cancel culture, however, can get fucked. It's inexcusable, weak carry on.
I see Hank Azaria will no longer voice Carl now because it's cultural appropriation. I mean don't bury Hank, bury The Simpsons. It has been dead for decades.
Fuck sake, those tweets are pathetic and utterly pointless beyond stirring up controversy. He should be far above that shit.
If he had left it at the first tweet with the X and Y as examples it was no big deal beyond being a very obvious point to make. All he did was give ammunition to people who like feeling offended and so now it is painted as some sort of endorsement of paedophilia and date rape. Not his finest hour although I always thought he was a pain in the hole so fuck him anyway. I like how he said learn how to think at the end of 2 of the most asking-for-it tweets ever.
Retarded is exactly the right word, fucking hell.
Even on religious topics I've found him very boring. No openness to any sort of discussion. That said, he doesn't deserve to be cancelled by sneaky cunts.
Couldn't he have used better examples than peados and rapists?
Like punching an old lady in the face is bad, repeatedly punching her and breaking her entire face and stealing her pension is worse.
It really puts punching grannies in the face into perspective.
Quote from: Blackout on September 25, 2020, 05:36:18 PM
It's kind of hilarious though. So far is the extent of social justice warrior reach to find this fairly acceptable.
First thing I would be doing if facing a long sentence is declaring myself to be a woman.
https://www.thejournal.ie/limerick-court-case-teenager-5217824-Sep2020/
Barbie Kardashian :laugh: Fuckin quality!
On the Dawkins thing I think whether he's a prick or not is irrelevant tbh. The fact our universities are shutting down debates on any subject...in a debate club, is a problem.
It's scary to think the people who will be running our country in 20/30 years time are being told they can shut down any discussion by using the words 'This offends me'.
That's it exactly. Being offended is hardly the end of the world and the man, if he sticks to evolutionary theory, had so much of interest to impart.
If it was the university shutting it down, that would be something. It's the debating club itself taking the decision. Rightly or wrongly, but there's a world of difference.
Wrongly.
Cancelling him was bad. Booking him in the first place was worse. And if you think that's a defense of the former... :abbath:
I disagree. 'Shutting down' anyone for debate because of the possibility of offence is anti-intellectual and stifles the capacity for individuals to make up their own minds. There are dozens of so-called 'intellectuals' and 'academics' whom I find loathsome and of limited, if any, merit, but who am I or anyone else to 'cancel them'? Whether it's (In my opinion) morons from Mike Isaacson to deluded anti-historians like Irving, let them speak. They'll stimulate debate either way.
Stalin would have approved if the smelly auld cunt was still around.
Quote from: ldj on September 30, 2020, 05:34:01 PM
On the Dawkins thing I think whether he's a prick or not is irrelevant tbh. The fact our universities are shutting down debates on any subject...in a debate club, is a problem.
It's scary to think the people who will be running our country in 20/30 years time are being told they can shut down any discussion by using the words 'This offends me'.
Yeah bang on. I said I thought he was a pain in the hole as well but it certainly should be irrelevant. Even pains in the hole can have interesting things to say and provide as much food for thought as the folks we like to listen to. The world is becoming more polarised by the day and that can only be a bad thing for us all.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 30, 2020, 07:30:06 PM
I disagree. 'Shutting down' anyone for debate because of the possibility of offence is anti-intellectual and stifles the capacity for individuals to make up their own minds. There are dozens of so-called 'intellectuals' and 'academics' whom I find loathsome and of limited, if any, merit, but who am I or anyone else to 'cancel them'? Whether it's (In my opinion) morons from Mike Isaacson to deluded anti-historians like Irving, let them speak. They'll stimulate debate either way.
Stalin would have approved if the smelly auld cunt was still around.
Surely the society that booked him are within their rights to cancel that invitation? What's lamentable, as I said at the outset, is that they gave such a predictable reason rather than taking the opportunity to state, "Upon closer inspection, we see that this man hasn't said anything of interest in over 10 years and as such doesn't meet our standards." Pity!
Not knowing anything about the Dawkins cancellation situation, is it safe to assume it's woke students cancelling the event cos they don't agree with his opinions? Like, is that the long and the short of it?
Dawkins has himself "cancelled" the entire domain of Islamic scholarship, and explicitly so, let's not forget.
Flamin' Allah!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 30, 2020, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 30, 2020, 07:30:06 PM
I disagree. 'Shutting down' anyone for debate because of the possibility of offence is anti-intellectual and stifles the capacity for individuals to make up their own minds. There are dozens of so-called 'intellectuals' and 'academics' whom I find loathsome and of limited, if any, merit, but who am I or anyone else to 'cancel them'? Whether it's (In my opinion) morons from Mike Isaacson to deluded anti-historians like Irving, let them speak. They'll stimulate debate either way.
Stalin would have approved if the smelly auld cunt was still around.
Surely the society that booked him are within their rights to cancel that invitation? What's lamentable, as I said at the outset, is that they gave such a predictable reason rather than taking the opportunity to state, "Upon closer inspection, we see that this man hasn't said anything of interest in over 10 years and as such doesn't meet our standards." Pity!
So you're in a roundabout way defending them but the point is they DID cancel him from what I've read. Maybe I'm wrong? If he's shite all well and good but they didn't book him or cancel him with any of that in mind. As such I don't get the roundabout defence of it. Is it wrong or is it right to cancel people because they hurt your feelings? Well maybe it is at times, but not for the fannypad reasons these arseholes give these days. I could get why cancelling some guy pedalling hate speech might be cancelled, but now, people who are clearly not of that ilk are getting labelled with it. What needs to happen is for these people to start suing the fuck out of groups that start throwing labels like racism at them. As it is these pricks are given a rein.
QuoteIs it wrong or is it right to cancel people because they hurt your feelings?
That's really the most interesting question that could be asked here, if you think about it "beyond" the surface. There's a much more interesting conversation to be had that goes past the same old knee-jerk reactions of "Cancel!" "OMG those snowflakes cancelled!" Personally, I don't think "cancelling" people helps in encouraging the public towards better thinking, not at all. But then I think that Dawkins has been truly awful over the last 10 to 15 years for the same reason; he arms assholes with pithy logical quips but doesn't do anything to provide the intelligence needed to contextualize them. That's not better thinking, that's idiots with splatter guns. Nor was he being invited to "debate", since in any case he's not too keen on debate himself, so there was no opportunity for this to be like a Buckley vs Chomsky, or Buckley vs Baldwin affair (Buckley got around back in the day!), or even Russell vs Copleston. In fact, I'd recommend having a read of that last debate and trying to imagine Dawkins being anywhere near capable of such a balance of poise and precision, if even he deigned it worthwhile to engage with his opponent. Dawkins has literally lost the plot; he's wantonly offensive and thinks he has intelligence on his side in doing so (see again his own blog defence above). So, yes, cancelling is "wrong" in the sense that it's bad for collective intelligence. But Dawkins is "wrong" for precisely the same reason. So two wrongs don't make a right, but it is worth, I think, noting that Dawkins would have brought nothing worth hearing, more offense than intelligence, with no real opponent in front of him as challenge to balance things out, unless he was going to buck an over 10 year trend, which at his age and rigidity of thought seems highly unlikely.
That they wasted an opportunity to lay all this out is regrettable; that too was a wasted opportunity for getting people to think more deeply. "We have cancelled Dawkins because we can't find trace of true intelligence in his communications in the last 10 years, only offensiveness. We're not interested in giving a platform to gratuitous offense, all the more so if it has lost any foothold in intelligence. What is there to be gained?"
Also, that tweet incident I posted his blog defence to, that's one of the reasons the Hist gave for cancelling. Y'all were up in arms before even being aware of what it contained! I'd imagine that's the case with most people knee-jerk going on about SJWs gone mad. Objectively, some of the things he's said about Islam are just as devoid of intelligence; just an asshole being a smart-arse. The guy has become an idiot; an offensive, blinkered idiot. That's what's getting lost here behind the reflex of reacting the same way to every circumstance rather than investigating case by case. If you had someone coming to a dinner party, invited by someone who was no longer coming, and then you read that rape / paedophile thing, wouldn't you consider asking them not to come?? I would. Who needs that shit?
I'd agree with almost everything you say there. Why invite him in the first place though? It just seems like these societies/groups etc.want this attention. They enjoy the cancelling element of it. Honestly, I've always found Dawkins' arguments to be almost childish in their simplicity, I never got the hype with him. The tweets are dense. BUT, what is the reason for the cancelling? That's the key question. I would personally say he's not worth listening to in the first place, and, despite that, this event was set up with the express intention of later cancelling it. Maybe I'm way off the mark but it's far from an innocent mistake on someone's part.
The reason for cancelling was apparently a handover of leadership in the Hist: previous chair invited him, current chair botched the cancelling. I imagine the two are from quite different sets within the Trinity student body!
A good solution to the whole thing would be if instead of him simply being disinvited and that being the end of it, he could be replaced by someone with a similar type of argument and let the actual debate continue, just without him as the face of it. That is of course dependent on there being that other someone handy at short notice.
He wasn't being invited for a debate, just a talk.
Ah well that's a bit different then. Who was he replaced by? A debate would be a completely kettle of fish and I misunderstood from the outset what exactly he had been disinvited from.
I suppose as well that in this day and age with the way things are, he should have thought a lot harder about how to frame his arguments if he wants to be speaking at things.
He should get off the religious topic because it's played out and gong nowhere. He should get back to the science which is where he is impressive.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 30, 2020, 07:30:06 PM
I disagree. 'Shutting down' anyone for debate because of the possibility of offence is anti-intellectual and stifles the capacity for individuals to make up their own minds. There are dozens of so-called 'intellectuals' and 'academics' whom I find loathsome and of limited, if any, merit, but who am I or anyone else to 'cancel them'? Whether it's (In my opinion) morons from Mike Isaacson to deluded anti-historians like Irving, let them speak. They'll stimulate debate either way.
Stalin would have approved if the smelly auld cunt was still around.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 30, 2020, 08:21:58 PM
Surely the society that booked him are within their rights to cancel that invitation? What's lamentable, as I said at the outset, is that they gave such a predictable reason rather than taking the opportunity to state, "Upon closer inspection, we see that this man hasn't said anything of interest in over 10 years and as such doesn't meet our standards." Pity!
Quote from: Pedrito on September 30, 2020, 10:22:20 PM
So you're in a roundabout way defending them but the point is they DID cancel him from what I've read. Maybe I'm wrong? If he's shite all well and good but they didn't book him or cancel him with any of that in mind. As such I don't get the roundabout defence of it. Is it wrong or is it right to cancel people because they hurt your feelings? Well maybe it is at times, but not for the fannypad reasons these arseholes give these days. I could get why cancelling some guy pedalling hate speech might be cancelled, but now, people who are clearly not of that ilk are getting labelled with it. What needs to happen is for these people to start suing the fuck out of groups that start throwing labels like racism at them. As it is these pricks are given a rein.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 09:22:47 AM
QuoteIs it wrong or is it right to cancel people because they hurt your feelings?
That's really the most interesting question that could be asked here, if you think about it "beyond" the surface. There's a much more interesting conversation to be had that goes past the same old knee-jerk reactions of "Cancel!" "OMG those snowflakes cancelled!" Personally, I don't think "cancelling" people helps in encouraging the public towards better thinking, not at all. But then I think that Dawkins has been truly awful over the last 10 to 15 years for the same reason; he arms assholes with pithy logical quips but doesn't do anything to provide the intelligence needed to contextualize them. That's not better thinking, that's idiots with splatter guns. Nor was he being invited to "debate", since in any case he's not too keen on debate himself, so there was no opportunity for this to be like a Buckley vs Chomsky, or Buckley vs Baldwin affair (Buckley got around back in the day!), or even Russell vs Copleston. In fact, I'd recommend having a read of that last debate and trying to imagine Dawkins being anywhere near capable of such a balance of poise and precision, if even he deigned it worthwhile to engage with his opponent. Dawkins has literally lost the plot; he's wantonly offensive and thinks he has intelligence on his side in doing so (see again his own blog defence above). So, yes, cancelling is "wrong" in the sense that it's bad for collective intelligence. But Dawkins is "wrong" for precisely the same reason. So two wrongs don't make a right, but it is worth, I think, noting that Dawkins would have brought nothing worth hearing, more offense than intelligence, with no real opponent in front of him as challenge to balance things out, unless he was going to buck an over 10 year trend, which at his age and rigidity of thought seems highly unlikely.
That they wasted an opportunity to lay all this out is regrettable; that too was a wasted opportunity for getting people to think more deeply. "We have cancelled Dawkins because we can't find trace of true intelligence in his communications in the last 10 years, only offensiveness. We're not interested in giving a platform to gratuitous offense, all the more so if it has lost any foothold in intelligence. What is there to be gained?"
It turns out that The Hist has been exposed as being "complicit in racism," as having "caused great harm, inflicted great harm," "platforming racist individuals," and even "perpetuated systemic racism towards" their own members. Cancel The Hist! Dawkins dodged a bullet there, nearly becoming associated these dreadful racists.
Well, actually they exposed themselves as having committed all that racism in a statement (https://www.facebook.com/TheHist.Trinity/photos/a.10151547120424199/10160334525679199/?type=3&theater) following the unfortunate death of some guy on another continent by cardiac arrest exacerbated by heavy drug intoxication. Guess their guilty consciences just got too much for them.
But can they really think they can even begin to make amends for their past crimes with such laughable gestures as replacing Dawkins with Dr Ebun Joseph (https://twitter.com/EbunJoseph1), and expect the rest of the world to just shrug and let them continue on as The Hist with such an appalling legacy forever hanging over them? Burn it down, trample the ashes into the dirt, it is the only way to expunge the evil of the past.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 09:32:57 AM
Also, that tweet incident I posted his blog defence to, that's one of the reasons the Hist gave for cancelling. Y'all were up in arms before even being aware of what it contained! I'd imagine that's the case with most people knee-jerk going on about SJWs gone mad. Objectively, some of the things he's said about Islam are just as devoid of intelligence; just an asshole being a smart-arse. The guy has become an idiot; an offensive, blinkered idiot. That's what's getting lost here behind the reflex of reacting the same way to every circumstance rather than investigating case by case. If you had someone coming to a dinner party, invited by someone who was no longer coming, and then you read that rape / paedophile thing, wouldn't you consider asking them not to come?? I would. Who needs that shit?
Explicitly disinviting Dawkins for his views or past tweets would be one thing, but they didn't really do that. They did refer to "harmful statements" by him without specifying what they were (that I see), or exactly what kind of harm they supposedly caused. The society actually apologise for having caused "discomfort" and "distress" themselves with the invite. "The comfort of our membership is paramount" - Jesus wept.
I did like this from some lad on Facebook: "I am so glad you cancelled the invitation to Richard Dawkins. This is a man who has consisently attacked Christianity and the Bible. He has consistently called Christians stupid and deluded. At last, people are realising that anti-Christian hatred must not be given a platform."
Richard Dawkins Deplatforming & The Hist's Cultural Revolution (http://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2020/09/28/richard-dawkins-the-hists-cultural-revolution)
World's oldest student debate club disinvites Richard Dawkins to protect the 'comfort' of its members (https://www.thecollegefix.com/worlds-oldest-student-debate-club-disinvites-richard-dawkins-to-protect-the-comfort-of-its-members/)
All you're doing is posting right wing tabloid opinion pieces. And they can't have done their research too well:
Quoteor 'The Hist' as they like to brand themselves now
It's been called the Hist, and their counterpart the Phil, for decades and decades!
As you consistently insist on reposting articles from a pseudo broadsheet with a tiresome leftist agenda, bit of the auld pot calling the kettle a person of colour there mon p'tit!
His views on Islam and sexual assault were explicitly referenced in the society's statement. You would have had to go to a primary source to get that though, sorry.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 08:13:52 PM
His views on Islam and sexual assault were explicitly referenced in the society's statement. You would have had to go to a primary source to get that though, sorry.
I didn't see any statements on the society's pages. Apparently there is one on the auditor's personal Instagram page, but that seems to be private right now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 07:59:23 PM
All you're doing is posting right wing tabloid opinion pieces.
Something a bit more highbrow so:
Judith Butler on the culture wars, JK Rowling and living in "anti-intellectual times" (https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2020/09/judith-butler-culture-wars-jk-rowling-and-living-anti-intellectual-times), posted a while back.
A couple of responses to Butler's drivel:
Unherd.com - The intellectual shabbiness of Judith Butler (https://unherd.com/2020/09/the-intellectual-shabbiness-of-judith-butler/)
Feminist Current - Judith Butler resurfaces to remind the world she is a fraud (https://www.feministcurrent.com/2020/09/27/judith-butler-resurfaces-to-remind-the-world-she-is-a-fraud/)
The Guardian - Feminists like me aren't anti-trans – we just can't discard the idea of 'sex' (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/30/feminists-anti-trans-idea-sex-gender-oppression)
Schweizer Monat - How «woke» activism took over universities and descended into street riots (https://schweizermonat.ch/how-woke-activism-took-over-universities-and-descended-into-street-riots/) - haven't read this yet, but it's by Heather Heying, so it should be interesting.
I mean, here's the point quite simply put: responses to this cancellation, both right here and in those tabloid opinion pieces, have been both uninformed and unintelligent, which really just proves my point about neither cancelling nor Dawkins and his ilk or defenders particularly being of any use to making society more rational and intelligent. If cancelling is bad for the mind, which I believe it is, then critique of cancelling should be nothing short of brilliant and exemplary. Fat fucking chance!
Are you just dumping links or do you have a point you want to formulate?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 08:24:26 PM
I mean, here's the point quite simply put: responses to this cancellation, both right here and in those tabloid opinion pieces, have been both uninformed and unintelligent,
And yet, this is only your opinion. You seem to hold your own view in a much higher regard to pretty much anything or anyone else...
Personally I don't care about Dawkins, you're probably right that he's been talking shite for years, I don't actively follow him so I wouldn't know.
My problem is that conversations in academic circles are being shut down just because they may upset or offend and this idea is spreading to real life, problems like religion, gender, race relations are incredibly complex subjects with extensive biological, sociological and political histories yet there's no discussion allowed to be have, either you are 100% on board with the prescribed doctrine or you're basically a nazi who deserves to have your life ruined.
Add to that, their values are incredibly inconsistent, for example, under the 'woke' ideology you're expected to be a feminist as well as pro-LGBT (fair enough), but you're also not allowed to criticise Islam.
How the fuck can you be a feminist and pro-LGBT and also not be allowed to criticise Islam, their views on women and gay people directly contradict each other :laugh:.
Quote from: ldj on October 01, 2020, 09:02:27 PM
How the fuck can you be a feminist and pro-LGBT and also not be allowed to criticise Islam, their views on women and gay people directly contradict each other :laugh:.
Yusra Khogali from black lives matter who is openly racist is an Islamic lesbian. It's no different to all the people that labelled the Islamic travel ban in the US a few years ago as racist but now they remain silent over what is currently being done to Muslims in China.
I think the issue there is one of blinkered ideology, and that can cut both ways, but those inconsistencies you point out, the sacred cows that can't be tackled in certain quarters, only serve to hinder any sort of real progress. Use a bit of clever marketing- Black Lives Matter, Anti-Fascist Action- and your organisation becomes beyond reproach. Until people begin to see through the sloganeering, of course.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 01, 2020, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: ldj on October 01, 2020, 09:02:27 PM
How the fuck can you be a feminist and pro-LGBT and also not be allowed to criticise Islam, their views on women and gay people directly contradict each other :laugh:.
Yusra Khogali from black lives matter who is openly racist is an Islamic lesbian. It's no different to all the people that labelled the Islamic travel ban in the US a few years ago as racist but now they remain silent over what is currently being done to Muslims in China.
I just googled Muslims in China and read about the "re-education camps"! Madness.
The point is that to learn and develop there has to be genuine dialogue and fair engagement with ideas. If a society hosted someone like Ibram X. Kendi or Robin DiAngelo, people whose ideas are IMO causing real social harm by way of divisiveness and resentment, I would go and listen to them and seek to learn something from the experience. Butler too. Maybe they would be more nuanced than expected, or maybe they would be as bad as their reputations suggest. Either way, something learned.
If it was someone who had expessed completely unacceptable views, like Peter Tatchell or Anjem Choudary, I might object or protest on the basis of what they had said, or, y'know, just not go.
Here, the total privileging of feelings, the mere possibility of hypothetical discomfort from the presence of someone at a debating society, led to the cancellation of an invite to a noted scholar (whatever one may think of Dawkins). That is not going to lead to students learning anything positive. Quite the opposite, in fact.
It is a capitulation to emotionalism, and pure intellectual and moral cowardice.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 01, 2020, 09:27:22 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on October 01, 2020, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: ldj on October 01, 2020, 09:02:27 PM
How the fuck can you be a feminist and pro-LGBT and also not be allowed to criticise Islam, their views on women and gay people directly contradict each other :laugh:.
Yusra Khogali from black lives matter who is openly racist is an Islamic lesbian. It's no different to all the people that labelled the Islamic travel ban in the US a few years ago as racist but now they remain silent over what is currently being done to Muslims in China.
I just googled Muslims in China and read about the "re-education camps"! Madness.
You would think something like that would be front page news on every newspaper yet it's been going on for a while now and not many people are even aware of it. The first main stream coverage I saw about it was on RTE last night.
The Uighurs (which my phone wanted to autocorrect to Hobbits!)? That's been big news for weeks now. Even unbearable John Oliver did a 20 minute piece on it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 11:41:22 PM
The Uighurs (which my phone wanted to autocorrect to Hobbits!)? That's been big news for weeks now. Even unbearable John Oliver did a 20 minute piece on it.
It's been news for a while now. Sunday times had a great piece about it months ago. It's a stain on the planet what's going on there. You can add the camps in North Korea to that list too.
Quote from: kamen on October 01, 2020, 09:37:12 PM
The point is that to learn and develop there has to be genuine dialogue and fair engagement with ideas. If a society hosted someone like Ibram X. Kendi or Robin DiAngelo, people whose ideas are IMO causing real social harm by way of divisiveness and resentment, I would go and listen to them and seek to learn something from the experience. Butler too. Maybe they would be more nuanced than expected, or maybe they would be as bad as their reputations suggest. Either way, something learned.
If it was someone who had expessed completely unacceptable views, like Peter Tatchell or Anjem Choudary, I might object or protest on the basis of what they had said, or, y'know, just not go.
Here, the total privileging of feelings, the mere possibility of hypothetical discomfort from the presence of someone at a debating society, led to the cancellation of an invite to a noted scholar (whatever one may think of Dawkins). That is not going to lead to students learning anything positive. Quite the opposite, in fact.
It is a capitulation to emotionalism, and pure intellectual and moral cowardice.
Perfectly put.
Quote from: kamen on October 01, 2020, 07:54:26 PM
Well, actually they exposed themselves as having committed all that racism in a statement (https://www.facebook.com/TheHist.Trinity/photos/a.10151547120424199/10160334525679199/?type=3&theater) following the unfortunate death of some guy on another continent by cardiac arrest exacerbated by heavy drug intoxication. Guess their guilty consciences just got too much for them.
Not to derail everything but I'm gonna have to pull you up on this. Yeah, he just had a cardiac arrest there, nothing to do with having someone (or someones) lean on his fucking neck for 8 minutes? Get ta fuck.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 11:41:22 PM
The Uighurs (which my phone wanted to autocorrect to Hobbits!)? That's been big news for weeks now. Even unbearable John Oliver did a 20 minute piece on it.
Well it's been going on for over a year now (maybe even longer) and lot of people still aren't aware of it yet they could tell you about Trumps taxes. If it was happening in the West I have no doubt the media would make it a priority to report on everyday.
Even shitty RTE has covered it for months, it just hasn't made the evening news until now. But then, if you're relying on the evening news to know what's going on in the world, you're bound to be missing out on anything that isn't deemed "spectacle" enough:
https://www.rte.ie/news/uighurs/
The snobbery of that last statement is absolutely incredible.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 12:48:49 PM
The snobbery of that last statement is absolutely incredible.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 01, 2020, 09:50:52 PM
You would think something like that would be front page news on every newspaper yet it's been going on for a while now and not many people are even aware of it. The first main stream coverage I saw about it was on RTE last night.
It has been front page news in newspapers; I'm just responding to what was said, but sure if you can't get offended on behalf of someone else in this thread, where can you, eh Kev? ;)
I just mean if I said that to my auld fella he'd tell me to fuck off out of his house!
If you said to your aul fella that RTE was a shit source for news? All of a sudden stating that obvious fact is snobbery? The tiniest bit of coherence in your views would go far lad. People who follow the news, who read newspapers...I don't know how they wouldn't have been aware of the Uighurs story, that's all. Like these fucking FB posts you see all the time, "You won't see them talking about X in the mainstream media", where X is invariably something I've seen reported in a mainstream newspaper.
It has been covered but it's also a sign of how fucked journalism and media has become that clickbait thrash media takes precedence over what are effectively the modern equivalent of concentration camps. They haven't quite started burning them and they took the chimneys out for PR reasons, but it's the same thing. That Donald Trump or some kneeling millionaire athlete takes precedence over this says all we need to know about how twisted and perverse the media has become.
No, the part about 'if you rely on the evening news...' which a lot of your working class darlings do, so I think you practically define the champagne socialist and their innate snobbery.
We've all seen Network, right? 1976 that was made, the guts of half a century ago. The media has been a perverse PR machine since the get-go! If you want to know what's happening, you need to know to scratch the smallest bit, and where to scratch, and where not to scratch: if the media who are frothing at the mouth to gasp about some individual arrested for organizing an anti-confinement event aren't reporting on events impacting millions of Muslims in China, it's up to the individual to review the channels they get their news through.
Stop being a spa Kev. The chap's own words were; "you would think something like that would be front page news on every newspaper." Well, it has been heavily covered for months in newspapers:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/uighurs?page=1
https://www.nytimes.com/topic/subject/uighurs
Hundreds of articles going back over a year.
Again, I took umbrage with your haughty tone and dismissing your mates in the overalls from the factories who 'rely on the evening news'. You made a good point apart from that.
It's playing the man not the ball but sure lookit.
Stop frothing at the mouth.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 02, 2020, 12:45:21 PM
Even shitty RTE has covered it for months, it just hasn't made the evening news until now. But then, if you're relying on the evening news to know what's going on in the world, you're bound to be missing out on anything that isn't deemed "spectacle" enough:
https://www.rte.ie/news/uighurs/
:laugh: Sorry yes I forgot RTE was a global broadcaster with an audience of what 4 billion.
Lads it's been reported for fucking months. Even gobshytes that I work with who haven't a clue on fuck all really have heard about it. Move on already.
Lads, page 56 and I'm struggling to keep up. Who's winning the argument?
"China in human rights abuse shocker"
Could surely stick that as the headline 365 days of the year and find a different story to stick under it. It seems to me that there is a certain acceptance that sure China will do what they will do and most just shrug and forget it before settling into more of the proverbial American Gladiators.
There shall be no winners in any of these threads. It just doesn't work like that.
Has anyone here had their mind changed about being PC or feeling offended during the course of this thread? Or anyone changed their views on Trump in the other one? I'd be amazed if there was even one.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 02, 2020, 02:57:38 PM
:laugh: Sorry yes I forgot RTE was a global broadcaster with an audience of what 4 billion.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. But if you're aghast at not hearing about it until now, then I'd suggest the best thing to do is reconsider your news sources. Saying that, I don't think anyone is obliged to be up to speed on everything that's happening globally and don't see anything "wrong" with only getting your world info from the evening news; all I said was that, those who do that, are bound to miss out on what isn't deemed worthy of the spectacle that is TV, especially so in the case of RTE whose international news coverage is particularly weak. I'd imagine Channel 4 and the BBC have been talking about it for months.
My point from the very beginning was we had all the outrage and were bombarded with news articles day after day over the Islamic travel ban in the US (just to use this as an example) yet we have concentration camps operating in China and the media are not even giving it a fraction of the coverage they gave the travel ban nor are the "Perpetually Offended Brigade" screaming from the rooftops about it like they did about the travel ban back in 2017. I have know about these camps since September of last year and from what I have read they have been around for even longer than that. I didn't find out about them from the MSM.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 02, 2020, 04:02:20 PM
Lads, page 56 and I'm struggling to keep up. Who's winning the argument?
I think the people who were complaining about the Perpetually Offended have become the Perpetually Offended.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 02, 2020, 04:05:29 PM
"China in human rights abuse shocker"
Could surely stick that as the headline 365 days of the year and find a different story to stick under it. It seems to me that there is a certain acceptance that sure China will do what they will do and most just shrug and forget it before settling into more of the proverbial American Gladiators.
There shall be no winners in any of these threads. It just doesn't work like that.
Has anyone here had their mind changed about being PC or feeling offended during the course of this thread? Or anyone changed their views on Trump in the other one? I'd be amazed if there was even one.
Is it a draw?
Quote from: pete on October 02, 2020, 04:29:19 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 02, 2020, 04:02:20 PM
Lads, page 56 and I'm struggling to keep up. Who's winning the argument?
I think the people who were complaining about the Perpetually Offended have become the Perpetually Offended.
I must get on in this sweet sweet offence. To Twitter!
Well Chris is right that you can find the info if you're prepared to look for it. Breitbart constantly report on the 'Kill the Boer' stuff dripping out of the mouths of powerful government figures in SA, but many people will refuse to accept anything they report.
Conversely I refuse to accept anything the BBC or Guardian write, all these dirty little fingers stuck in eager ears lads, probably worsening the situation.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 04:34:32 PM
Conversely I refuse to accept anything the BBC or Guardian write, all these dirty little fingers stuck in eager ears lads, probably worsening the situation.
BBC is nowhere near the awful level of the guardian. A little biased yes but they still engage in factual reporting. The guardian has fallen into the trap that instantly makes me turn away from any news source. When the headline of an article is obviously biased either left or right it's time to stop reading said news source.
I dunno lad, I can barely stomach their reportage on anything else bar rugby and soccer.
Calling riots with dozens injured as peaceful because it was BLM? Nah kid.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 02, 2020, 04:05:29 PM
Has anyone here had their mind changed about being PC or feeling offended during the course of this thread? Or anyone changed their views on Trump in the other one? I'd be amazed if there was even one.
It's about as effective as arguing on Facebook I try to avoid it especially on here but we all have our moments of weakness.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 04:41:41 PM
I dunno lad, I can barely stomach their reportage on anything else bar rugby and soccer.
Calling riots with dozens injured as peaceful because it was BLM? Nah kid.
Sure ya like what ya like. I dont get my news there anyway. Point was there still more fact based than the guardian.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 02, 2020, 04:25:10 PM
My point from the very beginning was we had all the outrage and were bombarded with news articles day after day over the Islamic travel ban in the US (just to use this as an example) yet we have concentration camps operating in China and the media are not even giving it a fraction of the coverage they gave the travel ban nor are the "Perpetually Offended Brigade" screaming from the rooftops about it like they did about the travel ban back in 2017. I have know about these camps since September of last year and from what I have read they have been around for even longer than that. I didn't find out about them from the MSM.
Well, if that was your point, it's still a terrible point. Foreign policy actions by the US President are always going to be more spectacle news-worthy than internal policy actions by the Chinese...especially when that President is a reality TV star. Welcome to earth, the year is 2020.
Let's get back on track here with a question that's bugging a lot of people:
If the little lad with blue hair sucks a trans woman's dick does that make him gay?
I'm still up in the air about it all.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 02, 2020, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on October 02, 2020, 04:25:10 PM
My point from the very beginning was we had all the outrage and were bombarded with news articles day after day over the Islamic travel ban in the US (just to use this as an example) yet we have concentration camps operating in China and the media are not even giving it a fraction of the coverage they gave the travel ban nor are the "Perpetually Offended Brigade" screaming from the rooftops about it like they did about the travel ban back in 2017. I have know about these camps since September of last year and from what I have read they have been around for even longer than that. I didn't find out about them from the MSM.
Well, if that was your point, it's still a terrible point. Foreign policy actions by the US President are always going to be more spectacle news-worthy than internal policy actions by the Chinese...especially when that President is a reality TV star. Welcome to earth, the year is 2020.
No point in even trying to argue with someone who thinks China has no responsibility for the pandemic and thinks the media had no part in fuelling the riots in the US.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 02, 2020, 05:43:32 PM
Let's get back on track here with a question that's bugging a lot of people:
If the little lad with blue hair sucks a trans woman's dick does that make him gay?
I'm still up in the air about it all.
He's just like a bi sexual. Greedy. One or the fucking other.
So that's settled.
If Hunter Biden took millions off a Russian billionaire, flew around in his father's jet making deals and was put on the boards of Ukranian oil companies despite being a drug addict, does that make him gay or just cis gender curious?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 02, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on October 02, 2020, 04:05:29 PM
"China in human rights abuse shocker"
Could surely stick that as the headline 365 days of the year and find a different story to stick under it. It seems to me that there is a certain acceptance that sure China will do what they will do and most just shrug and forget it before settling into more of the proverbial American Gladiators.
There shall be no winners in any of these threads. It just doesn't work like that.
Has anyone here had their mind changed about being PC or feeling offended during the course of this thread? Or anyone changed their views on Trump in the other one? I'd be amazed if there was even one.
Is it a draw?
It's a draw so far yeah. In the beginning it seemed like there were two opposing teams though...
Quote from: mickO))) on October 02, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
No point in even trying to argue with someone who thinks China has no responsibility for the pandemic and thinks the media had no part in fuelling the riots in the US.
And with me? :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 02, 2020, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on October 02, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
No point in even trying to argue with someone who thinks China has no responsibility for the pandemic and thinks the media had no part in fuelling the riots in the US.
And with me? :)
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:laugh:
Nice play. And Kev will be thrilled too; we can get back onto the poor Boers! :laugh:
That kaffir can't wait for the owners of vacant land to be dispossessed! Just like Chris and his mates:)
Serbs, Boers, White Namibians...re-educate their skin colour and religion!
My uncle lived in SA for a bit. Said it was a fair dicey place to be white
And yet I know a black South African and he is sound as a brown trout.
https://youtu.be/e-X1X766vAY
Yeah but you can't be racist if the victim is white lad, get with the times! Chris will be on shortly justifying it with guardian articles forthwith!
A Zaffir barman where I used to drink at home was in tears when Mr Terre'blanche died
He could never return to the place where he was born, too much affirmative action and Chris
Mind you don't cream yourself fantasizing over the plight of the poor whites in 1986 SA lad!
Sure they got power the ANC and they are deliberately persecuting the most productive section of society, but they are white so who cares.
Come ahead Chris. I think we all admire your intellect and your ability to construct and argue with all the LGBTBLACK books you've read.
Stop being the smarmy greasy fucker lad. It doesn't suit you.
Leather Nike isn't here nigger
That went downhill quickly.
Edit - fuck this forum, not worth it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 03, 2020, 04:36:20 PM
Stop being the smarmy greasy fucker lad. It doesn't suit you.
Not being smarmy, just encouraging you to contextualize things properly. You're either attempting and failing terribly at humour, or else you have swallowed massive doses of total bullshit. That Spitting Image song was written by white people in 1986 to justifiably rip the shit out of white people shoring up apartheid. And then you reference grief over the (admittedly horrific) death of someone who fought
against the end of apartheid because he was explicitly a white supremacist, even after that stopped being "fashionable" in SA.
So whichever it is, failed humour or mangled mind; cop on.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 03, 2020, 07:59:17 PM
And then you reference grief over the (admittedly horrific) death of someone who fought against the end of apartheid because he was explicitly a white supremacist, even after that stopped being "fashionable" in SA.
He put out some great records in his time :P
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If anything, the experience in SA should show white folk how it feels when the shoe is on the other foot. It doesn't make any of it right though. Racism is a silly concept anyway, we should be celebrating the fact that we are all different but there is something in human nature that makes us all feel that we should be belonging to something or other. Personally I think it's ridiculous to be drawing distinctions on skin colour. That's why I think the whole BLM thing is a bit shit because it is playing up to the difference. It has probably set society back a lot of years by highlighting the fact that having a different colour skin makes a difference. I don't identify as white for example, I'm just me. I also don't give a flying fuck what colour anyone else is. They are either sound or they are not, end of. So if say Sunni and Shia muslims want to kill each other over some shit, well that's mock and they could do with copping on. Same with colour or any other line we want to draw to define ourselves. I've been brought up all my life in a country with endemic racism towards the English, but if I meet an English person I judge them the same as any Irish cunt. I said myself a while back here that I was racist against Travellers because of x/y/z but even that is not really true because I know several of them that are the solid finest. So I think the same of the SA thing as the US thing, it just highlights the stupidity of oppression because of colour. Left/Right is the same situation really. Or Tipp/Kilkenny or Jews/Everyone else or whatever other two things we can come up with. These things are simply an affront to individuality and why are we not all above it?
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1009/1170417-thailand/
Really enjoyed this story. Some Yank who thinks they can say whatever they feel flinging allegations around about slave labour without any proof to back it up. Well he picked the wrong country. I can't help but feel there is a happy medium to be struck in between these poles. The idea that you can be called everything under the sun and the person defaming you just gets away scot free constantly is not my idea of a civilised society. Would like to see more people called up on their bullshit in this way.
Reminds me of Morello accusing that restaurant of not paying their staff properly cause they wouldn't let him in haha
https://loudwire.com/tom-morello-slams-seattle-5-point-cafe-being-turned-away-restaurant-fires-back/
Champagne socialist secretly despises the working class shocker
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/09/darren-grimes-police-investigation-david-starkey-interview/amp/
This is fucking retarded. This lad under investigation for something Dr.Starkey said whilst being interviewed by him?! It's like the DDR (which would make some chime with delight if it were) only stuffier and with less job and gaff security. Fuck off.
As much as I despise that sort of censorship and don't see anything wrong with the interview being broadcast, Dr.Starkey should know better than to be saying it in those terms. If he had made the same argument with a different choice of words he wouldn't be in the position he is in. I think he should be learned enough to know better than that, much the same as Dawkins with his comments.
It's a pity, but that's the way it is and these lads are walking into it. Stripping him of his job and titles is not the way though.
I'm a big fan of Starkey but that 'so many damned blacks' was toe-curling, cringeworthy guff. I don't think he meant it as it came across, but it was poor from the big lad. He got the high hard one for his troubles.
The point is the lad who interviewed him is the one looking at jail time if he's charged and convicted! That's Stasi stuff. As pointed out by his lawyers, it's an obscene waste of money and police resources. Nuts, and it's just getting worse.
Ah yeah I'm in full agreement with you there. It's as if everyone has forgotten the teachings of history.
It's not so much the fact of having interviewed him, as the fact of having published the material that has him under questioning:
Quoteafter publishing a podcast in which Dr Starkey said slavery was not genocide because there are "so many damn blacks."
Not really surprising for the publisher of something to face questions over its content, fairly par for the course actually. His options at time of publishing would have been to edit out the comment; explicitly condemn it, either live or in the edit; and so on. Quite possibly nothing will come of it, but independent of whether it's a waste of money or not (I mean, a majority of everyday legal proceedings could fall under that category), in his position as publisher, it's really not unexpected that he come under charge, and it's something that has happened myriad times in the west, again, most often historically, driven by conservative quarters.
Is that the norm, for the publishers to answer for the opinions of the interviewee? Can they use a quick disclaimer to avoid that? Seems a bit heavy handed to me but if it's the usual way of things then maybe they should all have known better, Starkey for saying it and Grimes for not expressing the fact opinions therein are not his own. Even at that, it's a bit much.
Publishers, broadcasters, etc., always answer for content.
That's not me approving of that norm, just pointing out that it is the norm.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 11, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
Publishers, broadcasters, etc., always answer for content.
Did the interviewer of that rapper who said all that anti-semetic guff have to 'answer' for the content? I can't recall a similar incidence and certainly not one becoming a police matter as this has.
The charge itself is a complete misnomer in any case, 'stirring up racial hatred'. How? Starkey only stirred up hatred against himself. He said something which was politically incorrect, end of story.
What was the context of the quote? It seems so utterly ludicrous. Did it make any sort of sense in the wider context of the discussion or what?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 11, 2020, 12:32:39 PM
What was the context of the quote? It seems so utterly ludicrous. Did it make any sort of sense in the wider context of the discussion or what?
He was disputing that slavery equated to genocide.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 11, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
Publishers, broadcasters, etc., always answer for content.
Ah ok. I always feel that when folks are going to be controversial, they should do it within the rules of the game and keep the inflammatory language to a minimum. If that is the norm then they are the rules and slipping up on the language to express the opinion is regrettable as it kills the debate. Much like the anti-mask crowd as in I feel like they would make their point a whole lot better if they followed the distance and mask rules while doing it. Not getting into the rights or wrongs of their point, just that they make an easy target by choosing to do it as they do. This seems to be similarly poorly thought through, and given the existence of editing software, the interviewer might have asked him to re-phrase the comment. Maybe Grimes just wants his 5 minutes, as I'd never heard of him prior to this.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 11, 2020, 12:35:34 PM
He was disputing that slavery equated to genocide.
A tough sell in itself without the language used. Debate killed there by the misstep.
A thorny subject to be sure. Still an unbelievably spasticated comment but maybe I'll give the interview a listen at some point.
He's an eminent historian and his TV shows are excellent and accessible. He's fond of a pint at debates and interviews, I can't think of any other reason for a cultured man with a supreme command of the English language to come out with such an idiotic comment.
He's not short of a bob so he'll be grand, but the very public eviscerating if his character and destruction of his career is too much. He wrongly presumed that by being emphatic talking to Darren Grimes, talk radio or whatever it is, would keep him safe from the mob.
In conclusion, considering the world we live in, and with all the other absurd shite the police in the UK are being obliged to do, he should have known better.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 11, 2020, 12:30:55 PM
Did the interviewer of that rapper who said all that anti-semetic guff have to 'answer' for the content? I can't recall a similar incidence and certainly not one becoming a police matter as this has.
Which interviewer? The YouTube channel? In about the same time it took you to make that supposition, I was able to find out that the YouTube channel in question published the interview accompanied by an explicit disclaimer. Maybe Grimes did the same, maybe he didn't. If you really care about the comparison you drew, you can find that out for yourself.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 11, 2020, 12:30:55 PM
The charge itself is a complete misnomer in any case, 'stirring up racial hatred'. How? Starkey only stirred up hatred against himself. He said something which was politically incorrect, end of story.
He didn't say something that was merely "politically incorrect." He said something which, even minus the word "damn", is devoid of logic and apt, as such, only to fuel rhetoric, such as that which you hold, that black communities today are exaggerating their historic lot. To this end, his apology was worse than the initial statement, because it only confirmed this. Whatever happens to his life and career now, he invited it in, once in the heat of the moment, a second time in toff-nosed "cool" reflection.
Black communities are exaggerating their historic lot? That's a stretch, but that's your patter.
Equating slavery to genocide (and focussing only on the Atlantic slave trade) is a fallacy, in real terms, regardless of his choice of expression. Were Barbary pirates equally culpable of the charge? Or the Arabs whose trade was on a far grander scale?
How can a comment which has been panned by all sides 'fuel rhetoric'? He expressed himself poorly, but his position is, for all intents and purposes, correct. Genocide is defined as the, or the attempted, destruction, of a racial or ethnic group. Surely slavers (who dealt with African middlemen) would be biting off their collective nose to spite their face if they intended on the destruction of the black 'race', whatever that is.
And quelle surprise that your are dancing with glee ata man losing a decades long, stellar academic career for a stupid comment because you find him distasteful. Your neo-stasi buddies have done him up like a kipper so why wouldn't you be?
Yeah?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 11, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
Black communities are exaggerating their historic lot? That's a stretch, but that's your patter.
Equating slavery to genocide (and focussing only on the Atlantic slave trade) is a fallacy, in real terms, regardless of his choice of expression. Were Barbary pirates equally culpable of the charge? Or the Arabs whose trade was on a far grander scale?
How can a comment which has been panned by all sides 'fuel rhetoric'? He expressed himself poorly, but his position is, for all intents and purposes, correct. Genocide is defined as the, or the attempted, destruction, of a racial or ethnic group. Surely slavers (who dealt with African middlemen) would be biting off their collective nose to spite their face if they intended on the destruction of the black 'race', whatever that is.
And quelle surprise that your are dancing with glee ata man losing a decades long, stellar academic career for a stupid comment because you find him distasteful. Your neo-stasi buddies have done him up like a kipper so why wouldn't you be?
Yeah?
Not dancing with glee; just couldn't care less what becomes of him. Remarking that he invited what is happening upon himself is not "dancing wtih glee." You, on the other hand, are lamenting his lot. I'm honestly unmoved by it. And if tomorrow he is completely exonerated, I'll remain unmoved.
I respect Starkey, and it saddens me somewhat that he's now far more famous for his controversial comments on the telly and the internet than he is for his considerable scholarship. His four parter about Henry VIII, his Anne Boleyn biography etc are consummate pieces of work. It's not the first spicy thing he has said, presumably it'll be the last.
But the bigger picture is that he has been cut to pieces despite apologising, yet another casualty in a culture war which has no meritorious endgame. He apologised, what more do they want? I wonder if they are aware that he is a homosexual? Being Vietnamese didn't save Andy Ngo so I guess that doesn't matter.
If we take him at face value here, then he doesn't understand what he should be apologizing for, since he boils it all down to the use of the word "damn." Though of course, his audience in that medium is fellow conservatives. All things considered, I call "mauvaise foi":
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/september-2020/the-day-i-was-cancelled/
Another piece to add to the madness....
https://www.dailydot.com/irl/blm-button-no-tip-receipt/
I'm torn between the idea that these folks should know better and the idea that their personal political views should be their own to express provided it doesn't interfere with the execution of their duties. Like the waitress is allowed to express a certain view without fear of repercussion, why should the customer not have the same freedom even when expressing the opposite - albeit less popular - opinion?
He was a twat for putting it on his FB....
Yeah that's how I'm leaning as well. The only sticking point for me is would he be the same level of twat if he was virtue signalling for BLM on his FB? He could have simply not tipped and been done with it I guess.
The whole thing is a mega-shitshow. Top to bottom, left to right.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on October 12, 2020, 02:29:57 PM
He was a twat for putting it on his FB....
2020 summed up: Felons getting murdered to the left of me, twats getting cancelled to the right; here I am, stuck in confinement with you.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 12, 2020, 03:15:45 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on October 12, 2020, 02:29:57 PM
He was a twat for putting it on his FB....
2020 summed up: Felons getting murdered to the left of me, twats getting cancelled to the right; here I am, stuck in confinement with you.
I'd tell 2020 to fuck off only for the fear of 2021 being actually fucking worsen.... :abbath:
Bit of a bad thing to say but thank christ the Armed Response Unit didn't mistake it for a real gun, a lot of people in this country would have creamed themselves if a black guy got killed by the Guards :laugh:.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40063517.html
Can you fucking imagine the uproar. Wholly unjustified, which would be copped by most but still there'd be some knobs somewhere saying it was racist. Could flip it and say black man attacks white gardai, maybe?
Have the sides of Left and Right been flipped lately?
Leftists looking for more oppression, Righties looking for more freedom? Sometimes, because other times it seems the other way round. Have traditionally had a centre-left outlook myself, but would be loath to ally myself with either side of the coin these days. Especially since I keep finding myself agreeing with the right so often lately. Anyone else find themselves thinking along those lines the last few years? Not so much in this country, thankfully, but just as a general outlook.
I'd traditionally have considered myself a bit left of centre too. And similarly, I now find myself agreeing with more right leaning policies. I don't know if that's more due to me changing or the world around me. I'm no political expert either, of course.
Good point about whether it's oneself or the world changing. There is a train of thought which says one gets more conservative with age, so there is that to consider as well. It might be a case of youth equating to a desire for change and upheaval of the old ways, regardless of what it is they are railing against.
I'm in the same camp. It seems the centre right are saying the things the centre left used to say.
When I was first in college I joined the socialist society, because they were playing RATM and giving out loads of free stuff at their booth, and the probably the whole teenage rebel against the mainstream cliché. Went to the first meeting and they were going on about wanting to ban Coke from campus, can't remember why exactly, might have been something to do with workers in South America.
My suggestion of not banning it because that takes peoples choice away of whether they want to buy it or not didn't go down well and I was asked to leave, politely by the head guy, being screamed at for being a fascist by another. Never felt much affinity or sympathy to the hardline left since then
Yeah, the left are barking mad.... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/n_awsp7QZuE
Quote from: Trev on October 14, 2020, 10:40:44 AM
When I was first in college I joined the socialist society, because they were playing RATM and giving out loads of free stuff at their booth, and the probably the whole teenage rebel against the mainstream cliché. Went to the first meeting and they were going on about wanting to ban Coke from campus, can't remember why exactly, might have been something to do with workers in South America.
My suggestion of not banning it because that takes peoples choice away of whether they want to buy it or not didn't go down well and I was asked to leave, politely by the head guy, being screamed at for being a fascist by another. Never felt much affinity or sympathy to the hardline left since then
There is really no shortage of reasons for wanting to take a pop ("Eh, where's me washboard!?") at Coca-Cola and their relentless, ubiquitous marketing machine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Coca-Cola
Finding ways to essentially "take people's choice away of whether they want to buy it or not" has been Coca-Cola's marketing MO for about 80 years now! :laugh:
I once had the pleasure of going into the Sin é for a quick pint and ending up in a full blown argument with a gang of feminists. Started when they came in to watch a video about the Riot Grrrl movement and I, in my thickest Tipp accent combined with jeans and Chelsea shirt, asked them what they were watching.
Them: "It's about the Riot Grrrl movement, you wouldn't understand"
Me: "Well, yeah I don't understand. That's why I'm asking. Is it a sort of feminist thing, or a musical movement, or sort of a combo?"
To each other: "Fuck sake, there's always one"
Me: "That's not very fair, I was only showing an interest while I'm being subjected to it here having my pint. I was only wondering if it was a
feminist thing"
Them: "Well yeah it is in a way, but not really. it's more about the empowerment of the female and the political and musical movement around it"
Me: "Ah, right. Any of the bands any good?"
Them: "You wouldn't have heard of them"
Me: "Sure try me, I have a fairly keen interest in all sorts of music"
Them: "Look, you obviously haven't a clue, so piss off with yourself"
Me: "Well, I think that militant feminism is no better than chauvinism in its' own way. Shouldn't we be striving for equality rather than
dominance? Is this a militant thing?" red rag to the bull
Token soft bloke stands up
Him: "look man, you can see you're not welcome, so why don't you just go back to wherever you came from"
Me: "Fuck off, Token"
Them: "You're an ignorant pig, what are you even doing in here?"
Me: "Having a pint, and trying to take an interest in this video ye are putting on"
Them: "Well you've been told you aren't welcome, so why don't you just fuck off with yourself?"
Me: "Yeah, you're right. No point trying to discuss it with ye fucking dykes anyway" - Uproar
I left at that, to a volley of abuse about how I was a thick fucking culchie and who the fuck let me out of the farm etc.
All in all, a sad story about trying to have a discussion with the militant wing, and my own weakness in falling down to their level after about 5 minutes of it. Sort of a microcosm of how I see a lot of the world working today.
Did ya get de roide?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 14, 2020, 11:09:36 AM
There is really no shortage of reasons for wanting to take a pop ("Eh, where's me washboard!?") at Coca-Cola and their relentless, ubiquitous marketing machine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Coca-Cola
Finding ways to essentially "take people's choice away of whether they want to buy it or not" has been Coca-Cola's marketing MO for about 80 years now! :laugh:
Eh, I just thought they could throw a few posters on the vending machine and shops instead, let people make their own minds up, and not be such aggressive cunts. And its not like the alternative companies are squeaky clean. Never went through in the end anyway
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on October 14, 2020, 11:53:33 AM
Did ya get de roide?
Token looked like he might have been up for it, but I had to meet my wife in a few minutes
Quote from: Trev on October 14, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 14, 2020, 11:09:36 AM
There is really no shortage of reasons for wanting to take a pop ("Eh, where's me washboard!?") at Coca-Cola and their relentless, ubiquitous marketing machine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Coca-Cola
Finding ways to essentially "take people's choice away of whether they want to buy it or not" has been Coca-Cola's marketing MO for about 80 years now! :laugh:
Eh, I just thought they could throw a few posters on the vending machine and shops instead, let people make their own minds up, and not be such aggressive cunts. And its not like the alternative companies are squeaky clean. Never went through in the end anyway
You're kinda putting your finger on the core of the problem here though, that's what I'm getting at; the left was not originally centered on freedom of choice, and so on. That's libertarianism. The left was originally about a resource based, economic leveling out of the playing field. It's just that, as it happened, historically, the opponents of the left also happened to be extremely fond of censorship, so that got thrown into the mix, but contingently. The problem, as the left see it, is that corporations sanitize their image in the west, whereas behind the scenes they're the real "aggressive cunts". Hard to know how to tackle that, but it is pretty ironic to go against one of the inventors of, basically, mind-control marketing with the argument "let people make their own minds up."
In short, there's nothing inherently "unsocialist" or "not left" in wanting to strip a corporation of a given marketplace, even if that constitutes a trivial slight to people's supposed "freedom of choice." It sounded like you were trying to make the point that these people were idiot socialists because they were trying to remove people's freedom of choice, but it doesn't hold up.
Pretty sure UCD managed a democratically voted Coke ban at some point, no? Tyranny of the majority! :P
Ah no, I meant more they were aggressive cunts because they essentially told me to fuck off because I was a fascist, without succinctly explaining their viewpoint or trying to explain their aims
Token 😂
The leader of the frente obrera in spain, a doctrinaire Leninist is horrified by all the social justice bullshit being lumped in with his politics. He has a point, and the man on the street in 2020 will view socialists and social justice warriors as interchangeable.
Liberals in the true sense of the word have little or nothing to do with 'progressives' but the same thing occurs there.
I dislike socialism as an ethos, but it's deserving of more solemnity and respect than all that other blue haired shite.
Quote from: Trev on October 14, 2020, 12:57:31 PM
Ah no, I meant more they were aggressive cunts because they essentially told me to fuck off because I was a fascist, without succinctly explaining their viewpoint or trying to explain their aims
They obviously never had to endure a childhood of TK Lemonade and Dunne's Stores brand piss, otherwise they'd have been praising the lawd for Coca Cola's monopolising.
TK wasn't bad. The shite you get in Lidl and Aldi these days though, it's strip paint!
Mace cola, now that was the absolute lowest of the low. The amount of flower pot holders we had around the house, made from the bases of the bottles. Jaysus.
It was all Country Spring around our way, the orange was decent, the cream soda was an abomination
3 litre of american cream soda and a day in the bog go hand in hand in my childhood memories
Cream soda will do that to you alright :o
I was mad for the cream soda in my early teens. 3l bottle, some Pringles, a C90 of MoP and RtL, and all nighters of Space Marine or Warhammer. Thems was the days!
Some capitalism is just a beautiful thing I'm sorry. Obviously not all of it but my jesus an ice filled coke from McDonalds when you're dying of a hangover. I'd vote Reagan, Trump, whoever you want in for a big refill of that. Saved my life many's the times and I haven't eaten a McDonalds in about 10 years at least.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 14, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Some capitalism is just a beautiful thing I'm sorry. Obviously not all of it but my jesus an ice filled coke from McDonalds when you're dying of a hangover. I'd vote Reagan, Trump, whoever you want in for a big refill of that. Saved my life many's the times and I haven't eaten a McDonalds in about 10 years at least.
Nothing wrong with capitalism but only when it works for everyone. As in there should be no tax breaks for big business. If we pay income tax of 25 to 40 percent business should pay that too. And pay that tax in the country where the product or service is provided. Unfethered capitalism is rife with bleeding the working and middle class dry.
Country Spring lemon and lime all the way. Christ I drank gallons of that stuff back in the day. And fuck cream sodas.
The Spanish government announced there, in the middle of a pandemic, that in this country's version of the football pools, from now on, at least half of the matches will be for women's footer.
Pigs from Podemos is grunting shocker!
What's the story with the history teacher in Paris being decapitated? Was it because he showed a cartoon of Allah? Or am I confusing causation and correlation?
You're confusing Allah and Mohamed. You can't get much more cancelled than beheaded anyway.
Ah twas only Mohammed? Should only have had his left eye gouged out so.
Horrific thing to happen. All the same, a very odd thing to present in class to 13 year olds, not really old enough to process why the cartoon is even supposed to be humorous. At the very least, he should have known he was putting his job on the line, as much as he would have been had he shown a cartoon of a naked Jesus flirting with a cameraman to the same age group (there's still a huge Catholic population in France). The state some non-religious people get themselves into over gender theory potentially being introduced in school, you can just imagine the headspace of a practicing Muslim whose 13 year old comes home saying their teacher was showing them pictures of Mohamed naked. In terms of ill-thought out decisions, it objectively goes way beyond Charlie Hebdo's act of drawing and publishing the cartoons in a weekly that is explicitly marketed to politically savvy adults.
Have you any links that give the context of what the lesson was about? I wouldn't know where to look re French media. Like, was the teacher going for a taking the piss thing and so asked the Muslims to leave or was it a serious lesson but he realised Muslims would probably take it the wrong way?
If it was a serious lesson, 13 is plenty old. We're supposed to do lessons in primary on world religions. The only part of teaching religion I enjoy is the debate aspect.
Yeah, an odd thing to do, but fuck these insane cunts chopping heads off over it. If they are that upset about something so trivial they should cut their own stupid fucking heads off.
I hate the west. I hate their loose morals and godlessness. I hate their liberal ideas and openness to diversity. I think I'll move to the west! Nah fuckhead, stay were you are, thanks.
That's kind of it in a nutshell. In theory, multiculturalism sounds great but it does come with its own problems.
And if you grow up here but hate it and wish to live under Sharia law then fuck off to one of those ridiculous countries and leave the normal humans to it.
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 17, 2020, 11:22:42 AM
Have you any links that give the context of what the lesson was about? I wouldn't know where to look re French media. Like, was the teacher going for a taking the piss thing and so asked the Muslims to leave or was it a serious lesson but he realised Muslims would probably take it the wrong way?
If it was a serious lesson, 13 is plenty old. We're supposed to do lessons in primary on world religions. The only part of teaching religion I enjoy is the debate aspect.
It wasn't a lesson on religion, it was in a kind of civic education class. I think 13 is too young to even properly process the choice of "I'm going to show some things which may be offensive to Muslim people. If you would like to leave the class now, you may." That's a lot to unpack when you're 13, both in terms of peer pressure, curiosity, etc. Given the nature of the images, there was a very high chance some would stay behind who would in fact be shocked by what the teacher was showing them.
I mean, it's a weird one. Since I'm watching The Sopranos at the moment, the parallel that comes to mind is, if I insulted a mob boss' wife in front of people I knew were in with him and then I got shot over it, you wouldn't necessarily say I deserved death for an insult, but you would say I was asking for it*.
I do agree with Andy though too, and anyone in any way involved should have the book reefed at them.
*I was totally asking for it, but witness protection in France is going great so far and I think the MI username change really helped.
I think you're doing the youth a disservice. Just coming at it from my situation, I see fairly indoctrinated 10 year olds, whether Catholic or Muslim. And that's great in a sense cos it leads to good debate. E.g I did a lesson on the solar system, leading to the big bang which led to a discussion on creationism. This stuff should be encouraged. Why is anything Islam-related totally off limits? If you're so precious about it, as the baulde McLove says, fuck off back to Sharia-land.
I would expect 10 year olds and 13 year olds to be able to debate against ideas they don't hold. That should be encouraged, and that is a daily occurrence in French education since everyone is taught evolution, for example. I'm talking about putting the onus on 13 year olds to separate themselves from their peer group based on a warning of something that they, probably, have never actually experienced first-hand, stirring curiosity which would then have to be inhibited at a totally abstract moral level. To my mind, that is far more in the region of why we don't give 13 year olds the vote than why it's good to encourage kids to defend their beliefs, because some things are genuinely complex to process, and are a question of elective action not just talk. It was sheer madness, if you ask me, though if anything that only makes his end all the more lamentable.
Why do all sand niggers grow moustaches?
Coz they wanna look like their mother....
If I was at school and the teacher said to people they could leave the class, there'd be nobody left. Any excuse for us to get out of class, and if there was any body who did really want to stay, they'd leave as well as they would get picked on for being a swot or gaylord.
These kids getting 6 months off from school. And then not having to do exams and grades given to them, never had it so good.
I heard some oul one on the radio recently talking about all the stress the students went through this year between Covid and the leaving cert. What fucking leaving cert?? I nearly crashed the car! The fact that everyone was playing along and acting like teenagers have had a rough year was so far into the realm of fantasy it was almost beyond belief. Almost every single evening this summer when we were out walking we saw scores of school kids drinking cans on their six month summer holiday. Stress, my hoop!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 17, 2020, 11:13:39 AM
Horrific thing to happen. All the same, a very odd thing to present in class to 13 year olds, not really old enough to process why the cartoon is even supposed to be humorous. At the very least, he should have known he was putting his job on the line, as much as he would have been had he shown a cartoon of a naked Jesus flirting with a cameraman to the same age group (there's still a huge Catholic population in France). The state some non-religious people get themselves into over gender theory potentially being introduced in school, you can just imagine the headspace of a practicing Muslim whose 13 year old comes home saying their teacher was showing them pictures of Mohamed naked. In terms of ill-thought out decisions, it objectively goes way beyond Charlie Hebdo's act of drawing and publishing the cartoons in a weekly that is explicitly marketed to politically savvy adults.
The man was decapitated and you are essentially saying that he was asking for it. Quelle surprise.No catholic is going to attack you with a machete for 'heresy', nor would a Protestant unless you were in 1640's Scotland.
Islam is the only religion that cultivates this kind of barbarity. I hope the perpetrator took one one in the balls before he received the coup de grace.
He was asking for something. What he did, as a teacher, dividing his pupils among themselves along religious belief lines, is inadmissible. He should have been harshly disciplined; he might still be alive today! What happened to him is also inadmissible, and I hope they're able to bring justice against more people than just the killer.
And I mean literally dividing, as in splitting. It's mind boggling for an experienced teacher to do that, and totally unnecessary to the needs of stimulating debate. Personally, I'd have had him suspended on the spot, and I say that as a teacher.
Muslims often are told by their parents to leave class if the topic offends them. Did the teacher not just tell them they could leave if they wanted? The teacher did nothing wrong as such. And Muslims already seek to be "divided" if it's a touchy subject. Something as abhorrent as the origins of Halloween 🎃 even
And again, that's kinda what it boils down to. They move to a western society and then also seek to have their own way, within that society.
I have an Iranian and an Algerian in my class and there is no way I'll adapt my methods in any way to accommodate them or their sensibilities. The Iranian girl is sound, and her Dad went blind recently from drinking methanol whilst in his home country, but the other lads mother is a bit of a whinger when it comes to 'religion'. Not a hope would I do anything for her , simply because she's a Muslim and she doesn't like x y or z. You don't like it here? Fuck off back to Tangiers and the 'poverty wherever Mohommeds plough tills the soil'. (Unless you have gulf oil)
The teacher designed a class that relied, unnecessarily, on showing the pupils a somewhat lewd cartoon of a figure that is sacred to some of them. May sound conspiratorial to say, but, in France, had it been something that excluded Jewish kids, the teacher would have been fired. Though he'd never have considered it, for that reason.
Does that not make them the snowiest of flakes, then?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 17, 2020, 03:10:58 PM
The teacher designed a class that relied, unnecessarily, on showing the pupils a somewhat lewd cartoon of a figure that is sacred to some of them. May sound conspiratorial to say, but, in France, had it been something that excluded Jewish kids, the teacher would have been fired. Though he'd never have considered it, for that reason.
You've spent 99% of your posting about this barbarity criticising the dead teacher and barely lip service to the zealot who cut his head off.
Do you do the same for the 100's of birds sexually assaulted by Muslims in Cologne or the overnight destruction of Mälmo by belligerent immigrants laughing their arses off at EU immigration policy?
I'm startled and alarmed at the insanity of an alliance between the left and Islam. Why? They hate women and homosexuals and will kill you for showing a picture of a paedophile conquerer masquerading as a 'prophet'.
I'd agree with Black Shep's argunent that kids that age can't be expected to decide about these issues. I'd also apply it across the board to them supposedly being able to tell if they're another sex or if they want to cut their willies off too. Time to bring back some old school common sense though I fear that horse has long since bolted.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 17, 2020, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 17, 2020, 03:10:58 PM
The teacher designed a class that relied, unnecessarily, on showing the pupils a somewhat lewd cartoon of a figure that is sacred to some of them. May sound conspiratorial to say, but, in France, had it been something that excluded Jewish kids, the teacher would have been fired. Though he'd never have considered it, for that reason.
You've spent 99% of your posting about this barbarity criticising the dead teacher and barely lip service to the zealot who cut his head off.
Do you do the same for the 100's of birds sexually assaulted by Muslims in Cologne or the overnight destruction of Mälmo by belligerent immigrants laughing their arses off at EU immigration policy?
First remark: the zealot is dead. I have repeated three times that I hope his death isn't the end of the justice.
Second remark: "the same" doesn't apply in the Cologne case. That was unprovoked assault on citizens.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 17, 2020, 03:21:15 PM
I'd agree with Black Shep's argunent that kids that age can't be expected to decide about these issues. I'd also apply it across the board to them supposedly being able to tell if they're another sex or if they want to cut their willies off too. Time to bring back some old school common sense though I fear that horse has long since bolted.
Yeah but why teach them to respect Islamic doctrine in a western country? Rational people should have no respect for it. It's medieval at best, and cowering in fear because the police and politicians are afraid to call a spade a spade and act? Fuck me. I'm pissed off about the Celtic result (slightly happier knowing that Eoin jumped, had that 'thank fuck' moment and then had it ripped away by VAR), but still. This is Sparta! I mean Europe!
So it was provoked (in your opinion) so that means he must shoulder part of the blame? In France? Fuck that.
What should we do, grant the cunts a caliphate?
You've already started arguing mainly against your own strawmen, so I'll leave you to it.
Strawman meaning Islam? I disagree.
I've been reasonably coherent, you've been predictably apologetic. If you'd like to point anything out to the contrary, on y va.
The difficulty in discussing any issue with you is that you lack the humility to give ground when you are contradicted or bested in debate (arrogance, it might be called), so I'm not sure why I bother.
The difficulty in discussing any issue with you is that you invariably go off on any number of tangents which have no bearing on the details of the issue at hand. I'm not playing a "blame" game, I'm somewhat beyond that. What's important, what matters, is how these things are dealt with on an institutional level. We all know full well here in France that offense to Muslims and offense to Jews is treated in a diametrically opposed manner, none more acutely than the Muslims themselves.
"Hey class, today we're talking about free speech. But first, to stir some debate, I'm going to quote a couple of Dieudonné's jokes that are based on the premise that the holocaust was a hoax. If any of you kids think you might be offended by that, you can leave the classroom now."
"Hey class, today we're talking about free speech. But first, to stir some debate, I'm going to tell some homophobic jokes that got their writers in hot water. If any of you kids think you might be offended by that, you can leave the classroom now."
Sackable offences, instantly. But a cartoon of Mohamed naked? A closed meeting between the teacher in question and someone from the education authority. G'wan the égalité.
Hi, holocaust denial is a fringe, discredited load of shite, that's a total false equivalency. The issue at hand is Muslim extremism and it's incompatibility with western society. That's as clear as day. Maybe you and Eric Hobsbawm see it differently, but the man on the street certainly doesn't.
Assimilate or fuck off. It's that simple.
And yet again it's the teachers behaviour and not the bloodthirsty muhammadan you choose to critique. Fuck sake lad.
There's nothing to "critique" about the murder, ffs! It can only be condemned, and in the strongest possible terms. As someone living and teaching in France, it is interesting, yet entirely predictable and understandable, that a teacher would think they could get away with this on the institutional level. It's a problem here. It's been discussed at length here. You wouldn't get away with it in the UK.
'Get away with it'?
What kind of society do you wish to live and love in if that's your precís? The teacher did nothing wrong, absolutely nothing. You fail to see the wood from the trees, and it's typical of intelligent brainwashed individuals like you.
The guardian is saying what you are posting here almost verbatim. There is no place for jihadis to exist in Western Europe without resistance. Would you be as philosophical if a Muhammad loses his head tomorrow in retaliation? I doubt it.
Hate crime!
I think you're definitely overstating the fault of the teacher here. Irrespective of a case of poor judgement, the fallout is on a completely other level. I think Kev is right is pretty much all he's put across here.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 17, 2020, 04:52:48 PM
Would you be as philosophical if a Muhammad loses his head tomorrow in retaliation? I doubt it.
Now, that's a strawman!
In the UK, a teacher wouldn't get away with "Muslims, leave the class now if you like, we're about to do something unnecessary to your education but that will probably offend you." In France, a teacher would, and did, get away with that. It's problematic in society here, this is just one manifestation of it.
That must have stuck in the craw after VAR gave you the high hard one :)
My brother in law to be, Pat the Spa couldn't even reply further than 'that Pickford is half a knacker anyway'
🤣
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 17, 2020, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 17, 2020, 04:52:48 PM
Would you be as philosophical if a Muhammad loses his head tomorrow in retaliation? I doubt it.
Now, that's a strawman!
In the UK, a teacher wouldn't get away with "Muslims, leave the class now if you like, we're about to do something unnecessary to your education but that will probably offend you." In France, a teacher would, and did, get away with that. It's problematic in society here, this is just one manifestation of it.
Why do you keep harping on about the teachers behaviour? Was it a bit spicy? Maybe. I often give clips round the ear and I've been in my job for 6 years.
An Islamic extremist beheaded a lad.
'Yeah but the teacher was being problematic'
You'll find no one with a brain to back you up kid.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 17, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
That must have stuck in the craw after VAR gave you the high hard one :)
My brother in law to be, Pat the Spa couldn't even reply further than 'that Pickford is half a knacker anyway'
🤣
Disgraceful offside decision. Not even going to entertain that particular conversation! Not til I've had a few beers anyway
Some header out of DCL.
You did a Razor Ruddock hatchet job on Chris there by the way...
'Stretcher, he can't continue; his day is done!'
Do you just see all the words in a paragraph at the same time and arrange them with the order and meaning you want??
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 17, 2020, 05:13:56 PM
Do you just see all the words in a paragraph at the same time and arrange them with the order and meaning you want??
You've been taken out. Talk to the medical team,
'We recommend an internet ban for 6 months and a further 6 months of de-education and no contact with Marxist idiots or their books for 12 months. Yokes once a fortnight.
Dr. Caoimhín
Dr.Cocaine, would you like to give a second opinion here?
A recommendation of a bottle of whiskey, slab of Guinness and 3g's of speed. But even that might not be enough.
I'll throw in a fistful of mushies too....
Down with the Moslems.... :abbath:
If Jesus was a mushroom, maybe Mohamed was 3g of speed!
Yeah but he'll say that Jameson is better than 16 year round of islay because of workers communes or something. Glens voddy and Mitsubishi's from 2002 (remember them? Fucking hell)
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 17, 2020, 04:55:35 PM
I think you're definitely overstating the fault of the teacher here. Irrespective of a case of poor judgement, the fallout is on a completely other level. I think Kev is right is pretty much all he's put across here.
The chances of yer man saying 'yeah you are right' or words to that effect are in the millions to one. Never has, never will Limrik nigga :)
If I'm overstating anything, it's the fault of the institution. Who are my employers, incidentally.
Let Big Winston spell it out for you
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
A man was beheaded for showing a picture. Could he have used his brain a bit more and chosen to talk about it rather than show it? Probably. Did he deserve to have his head hacked off him by some scumbag lunatic? No. End of story.
I've only read about it on here, but it sounds fucking ridiculous. If the man was beheaded for showing a picture, there is something gone entirely wrong with things. Yeah he should have known the consequences would be bad, but fuck..
Quote from: Pedrito on October 18, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
A man was beheaded for showing a picture. Could he have used his brain a bit more and chosen to talk about it rather than show it? Probably. Did he deserve to have his head hacked off him by some scumbag lunatic? No. End of story.
Could the French government have taken the opportunity after the Charlie Hebdo killings, after the Bataclan killings, etc., to really address the question of why it is so easy in France to radicalize young muslims? Yes. And if they don't take that opportunity now, will this be the end of the story? No.
France is a country where there is a law (which even Jewish academic Chomsky famously opposed in the 70s/80s) making expression of doubt about essentially any aspect of the holocaust illegal, punishable by law. France is also a country which completely glosses over its own crimes of colonization, the biggest part of which occurred in majority muslim nations (and the French grip on those countries is far from released). Colonization is taught first and foremost as a positive influence over the countries where it happened.
You're a young muslim in France, the state constantly tells you colonization was good for your people, but never tells you about all the crimes they committed while they were at it, information which is freely available to you and endlessly discussed in your circles. Your favourite comedian is the subject of a state organized witch-hunt, banned from television, banned from touring, banned from YouTube, banned from Facebook, taken to court repeatedly, because his idea of liberty of expression involves making fun of Zionism. Literally at the same time, the state is defending - under the banner of liberty of expression - the right of some cartoonists to make fun of you. Of course, there are subtleties involved, but since the average late 30s well-educated westerner is apparently incapable of grasping them, why should we expect youths in their late teens or early 20s would either?
This isn't the end of the story because, depending on how the state treat this in the mid- and long-term, it's more likely to make things worse than better. And I can pretty much guarantee that the current government will deal with it in a way that makes it worse.
In other words, radicalizing young Muslims in France is like shooting fish in a barrel, and the government endlessly arm those who do the radicalizing. We can content ourselves to simply describing the surface of the situation, but that won't help us out of it.
Yes it's no coincidence that these attacks are happening in France. I don't know the full reason why but my suspiscion has always been that it is somewhat different to the attacks that have happened elsewhere i.e. it has more to do with France's past in North Africa and colonialims than the ISIS led stuff alone..it's not just hatred of the west and Islamic as such, there's something deeper at play, combined with just pure backward retardation and criminality. Hence my point could be turned on its head. The man doesn't deserve to die, but knowing that this stuff is in the air, he chose the worst possible way to go about making whatever point he was trying to make. So 6 and one and half a dozen of the other and more to come because nothing is changing anytime soon by the looks of things.
If it is a particularly french problem, the killing of people over cartoons, could the french perhaps ban religious cartoons of any type and neatly sidestepping the argument of only banning ones of that prophet?
I remember being fascinated by a leaflet in the church as a kid which said "Jesus Saves" and on the back, "but Aldridge scores on the rebound" Can't remember what it was about but it seemed pretty funny to me as a young lad.
Free speech etc...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 18, 2020, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 18, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
A man was beheaded for showing a picture. Could he have used his brain a bit more and chosen to talk about it rather than show it? Probably. Did he deserve to have his head hacked off him by some scumbag lunatic? No. End of story.
Could the French government have taken the opportunity after the Charlie Hebdo killings, after the Bataclan killings, etc., to really address the question of why it is so easy in France to radicalize young muslims? Yes. And if they don't take that opportunity now, will this be the end of the story? No.
France is a country where there is a law (which even Jewish academic Chomsky famously opposed in the 70s/80s) making expression of doubt about essentially any aspect of the holocaust illegal, punishable by law. France is also a country which completely glosses over its own crimes of colonization, the biggest part of which occurred in majority muslim nations (and the French grip on those countries is far from released). Colonization is taught first and foremost as a positive influence over the countries where it happened.
You're a young muslim in France, the state constantly tells you colonization was good for your people, but never tells you about all the crimes they committed while they were at it, information which is freely available to you and endlessly discussed in your circles. Your favourite comedian is the subject of a state organized witch-hunt, banned from television, banned from touring, banned from YouTube, banned from Facebook, taken to court repeatedly, because his idea of liberty of expression involves making fun of Zionism. Literally at the same time, the state is defending - under the banner of liberty of expression - the right of some cartoonists to make fun of you. Of course, there are subtleties involved, but since the average late 30s well-educated westerner is apparently incapable of grasping them, why should we expect youths in their late teens or early 20s would either?
This isn't the end of the story because, depending on how the state treat this in the mid- and long-term, it's more likely to make things worse than better. And I can pretty much guarantee that the current government will deal with it in a way that makes it worse.
In other words, radicalizing young Muslims in France is like shooting fish in a barrel, and the government endlessly arm those who do the radicalizing. We can content ourselves to simply describing the surface of the situation, but that won't help us out of it.
Terrorist scum out. I find it bizarre that you immigrate somewhere and expect the gaff to accommodate you.
You and doctor Chomsky can shite on all ye want. Assimilate or fuck off.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 18, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
If it is a particularly french problem, the killing of people over cartoons, could the french perhaps ban religious cartoons of any type and neatly sidestepping the argument of only banning ones of that prophet?
I remember being fascinated by a leaflet in the church as a kid which said "Jesus Saves" and on the back, "but Aldridge scores on the rebound" Can't remember what it was about but it seemed pretty funny to me as a young lad.
In Ireland we voted blasphemy out of our constitution quite recently. So, where would this whole thing stand in Ireland?
We're talking about different things here. Theory, reality and then some sort of community spirt or human kindness level.
I think the teacher was naive from a purely survivalist, 'self defence' point of view. He should have known some gobshite would want to decapitate him for what he did. That's reality.
On a theoretical level he should be able to say what he wants but the reality of the situation is that their country is plagued with these lunatics that are only waiting for any chance to cut someone. On a human level, I don't personally see the reason for a teacher to be pushing the buttons of kids in his class who come from a certain tradition. Again, in no way does he deserve it. A stern talking to and maybe some time off, but, again, why not something less polemical, why that picture when there are kids in the class who will be sensitive to it? Is that how bridges are built?
But, ultimately we're talking about culture clash. A country that has always pushed the boundaries of speech and ideas which has certain people living in it that are completely opposed to their values, who think they can decapitate people in the street for saying things they don't agree with. There's something wrong with that picture.
It's not about banning cartoons. It's about not celebrating liberty of expression when it's clear as crystal that it doesn't exist for everyone.
Yeah I'm all for free speech and all but even I would know better than to be showing around a cartoon like that, given the precedent set there for reactions to such.
Of course anyone rational whatsoever would see the reaction is unjustified, but it exists and so for now I guess folk will have to live (well...) with it. I would be of the opinion that those who wish to live in a foreign country do their bit to assimilate into the culture of that country. If I go to an Islamic country and they have customs, I would be expected to follow them.
That's not what I meant. Liberty of expression doesn't exist in France. Had a teacher done any level of equivalent thing with respect to Jews or gays or blacks, he would have been suspended or fired the next day. Any French person who takes a second to imagine that hypothetical situation knows it. Had the same thing happened to this teacher, he could well still be alive today. Instead, the institution said he had done nothing wrong, and everyone in the "cité" and "banlieu" Muslim communities knows it wouldn't have gone down that way if the shoe were on the other foot. It's not anodyne that the murderer (and he is nothing more than that) addressed his crime personally to Macron.
Ah I see. I was sort of getting at that with the initial suggestion of not taking the piss out of any of the religions by using cartoons with a sort of goose/gander idea, but if it is that way for everything except Islam then that isn't fair either, especially given the reputation these lads have for taking extreme umbrage with it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 18, 2020, 08:02:19 PM
1) Had a teacher done any level of equivalent thing with respect to Jews or gays or blacks, he would have been suspended or fired the next day.
2) Instead, the institution said he had done nothing wrong
1) That's speculation. Those groups don't take offence the same way as Muslims. I doubt a rabbi would be teaching people to go out and scalp a fucker.
2) Did the institution say he did nothing wrong purely because of the outcome or because they genuinely believe it. If the latter, then it wasn't a case of a singular teacher gone rogue, doing something totally against the ethos he was working in, and if that institution believed he was in the right, I'm sure many institutions would be in agreement. Surely learning institutions are where we should put more value in, over governments who have to be more guarded in what they say.
It's not speculation. It's based on my knowledge, over the last 11 years, of how the law is applied. A teacher, in any circumstance, presenting material that may be offensive to Jews, gay people, etc., would be sanctioned immediately. Your rabbi/scalping comment is indication you don't get my point.
You said the teacher was wrong. The institution said the teacher was not wrong. Maybe you're wiser than those folks so.
Or maybe you're just getting bogged down in nonsense when the point is illustrated simply below.
"An Islamic extremist beheaded a lad.
'Yeah but the teacher was being problematic'
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 18, 2020, 08:27:47 PM
It's not speculation. It's based on my knowledge, over the last 11 years, of how the law is applied. A teacher, in any circumstance, presenting material that may be offensive to Jews, gay people, etc., would be sanctioned immediately. Your rabbi/scalping comment is indication you don't get my point.
Two in a row!
You are no match for this lad Chris
He's saying it's not an even playing field for Muslims in France. Taht they can't wear a burka in public etc. But it's not the same thing. Gays don't tryband live by another law. Most religious people keep things secular these days but (some)Muslims are trying to have their cake and eat it. Is the Burka just a piece of clothing or is it a way to subjugate women. French law says the latter. That's why freedom of expression is not a viable argument. So let's not confuse things here.
If the woman wants to wear a burka is it ok? And no I can't see myself ever agreeing with beheading as a form of protest.
Come on, to fuck. It's a horseshite argument! These are the actions of a severely brainwashed or simply insane human being. There can't be too many normal non- radicalized Muslims who can view a beheading for such a trivial misdemeanor seriously. If your religion is so fragile that any minor infraction against it results in war, then please, please, please remove yourself from civilized society. Either fucking jihad yourself or get out of the modern, civilized world. It's that bloody simple. How any rational person can take this shit seriously, and view the victim of this inexcusable crime as the problem needs to remove their head from their woke rectum.
I know a couple of the Islam boys in town here and I can't see any of them going along with that either. The radical lads in this case are basically the creationists of their buzz. Most people in the world are actually pretty rational. The burka thing was only me saying it should be freedom of choice was all
I was referring to the whole argument.
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 18, 2020, 08:33:26 PM
The institution said the teacher was not wrong. Maybe you're wiser than those folks so.
Haha, such naivety to think that they were motivated by wisdom! If only we lived in that world. Sorry, it's all of you who know French politics and current affairs better than me, my bad; the state's hands are white as driven snow, and there are no vested interests or bad faith at play which run deep to the heart of French collaboration and Françafrique, my bad, my bad.
Your post yet again shows every cunt that you are as ignorant as you are arrogant. You make no points, just chanting what you read on the guardian. G'wan and fuck off lad.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 18, 2020, 09:50:17 PM
I was referring to the whole argument.
Ah right, my mistake
Ah come on lads, your tête-à-tête is great entertainment. Don't ruin it by turning sour
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 18, 2020, 10:07:37 PM
Your post yet again shows every cunt that you are as ignorant as you are arrogant. You make no points, just chanting what you read on the guardian. G'wan and fuck off lad.
I have read nothing on the Guardian about this. Why on earth would I, fluent in French and living in France for over a decade, turn to the fucking Guardian to learn about a murder in France? Gombeen talk. Emphyrio is arguing his side well, which is no doubt why you are in awe of his mysterious powers. But while what the teacher did does boggle my mind as someone who teaches and has lived in France through several Islamist tragedies and the enormous force of censorship of similar humor touching other "minority" groups (including the firing of one of Charlie Hebdo's own longest standing cartoonists in 2008 under accusation of anti-semitism), it is only to be expected that when you have a teaching body running into the tens of thousands, errors of judgement may occur. What is problematic is the institutional response. The institutional response when it comes to Islam is nothing like the institutional response when it comes to Judaism or the gay community, etc. I think you just can't really understand the ubiquity of, especially, the Jewish and Muslim "questions" until you've lived here. It certainly came as a total shock to me how much space they both respectively occupy in the press, in political discourse, though of course with totally different tones: WWII Nazi collaborationism is dealt with from a place of total shame, but colonialism with utter and far-reaching denial of wrong-doing (hence my mockery at the idea of the French institution knowing and/or admitting to what wrong-doing really is). The echoes of all that reverberate down the decades, and are amplified within the Muslim community by simple things like censorship of African origin comedians who mock zionism but defense under the flag of "liberty of expression" of French comedians who mock Islam. Both should be defended, neither should be censored. Maybe I'll repeat that, so that even the thickest skulls get where I'm coming from and understand how far from that France really is; Both should be defended, neither should be censored.
All things considered, I don't think there is any other country in the western world where more fertile conditions for radicalizing young muslims have been historically established and are currently maintained. Maybe I'm wrong on that one, but I don't think so.
You are wrong on that one, as you are on most yin's.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 18, 2020, 10:36:19 PM
You are wrong on that one, as you are on most yin's.
Okay, so tell me which country and/or countries are more favorable to the radicalization of young muslims, you who complain about me just saying stuff with supposedly no backing.
Jaysus H Christos man. Would you drop the incessant need to always be right. :laugh:
Your life will be so much easier.
Chopping someone's head off (murder) is never right under any circumstances. Ever!
Don't care how marginalised those Moslem fucks are in France. They can stick their shitty backward religion up their shitty arses while they're at it too.
The only mistake France made was allowing the shitheads to follow them back to France.
Swear to gawd.... how anyone in this day and age, with all the information we have at our fingertips, lets religion dictate their lives is beyond me.
If yon Moslems want to be stuck back in the middle ages, let them. Don't be expecting the rest of us to follow suit or be dictated to because of their backward ways and religion.
Touchy cunts..!
Radical Islam is a cancer, particularly malignant in France. We can stand around forever looking at scans and saying, "Yes, it's definitely cancer that's causing the damage." Or, we can think about how to prevent the cancer occurring and, in keeping with the most up to date research in medicine, work with society to help it heal itself, since the strategy of cutting it out has limited success long term. But, yes, it's definitely cancer, well done everyone.
It's a cancer that's preventable by them not being dickheads. And yet we're expected to bend over backwards to accommodate them?
It wouldn't be reciprocated in a Moslem country for us, that's for sure.
"Us"? Who's "us"? Has there been an Islamist attack in Ireland that I'm unaware of? Or are you still on a "we're all one with the universe" buzz from your trip? ;)
'Us' as in Westerners.... :abbath:
Good honest to goodness white people.
The non-beheaders.... :abbath:
Can't we all just get along?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on October 19, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Can't we all just get along?
Of course.......
except for the Moslems.... :abbath:
The French equivalent of the Home Secretary has just announced that they're going to be rounding up an unqualified number of individuals who (translated quote) "don't necessarily have anything to do with the current inquiry but to whom we wish to send a message."
In other words, the plan is to let the police rough up a few dozen Muslims against whom they have no lawful charge but who have been critical of the French government while not being white. Glad to see the government here are learning from the past.
Fucking hell. Let's change their dark ages attitude by reintroducing some version of the Spanish Inquisition.
One would think with all of the supposed enlightenment in the world (radical Islamic warriors excluded) that we wouldn't be heading back to medieval times. Yet here we are. Rational debate is the new heresy. I wonder what the message will be? Thumbscrews.. broken on the wheel..?
Now, on the other hand it could be that these lads set to be rounded up are known radicals and though they might not have anything to do with this particular instance, it might be a sort of prophylactic to round up the known agitators, perhaps?
Quote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2020, 03:46:56 PM
on the other hand it could be that these lads set to be rounded up are known radicals
Some of them no doubt will be, otherwise they'd never manage to sell it to the electorate. This way, they keep the right happy by seeming to go beyond what is necessary, without losing the nominally left, by having including a few indisputably justified targets. They've also announced that they'll be dissolving several associations too, whose total members number up into the tens of thousands. Can a fella get some generic Orwell quotes up in here?
Yeah, I was just looking at both sides of the argument. I think the notion of rounding up folks before they have actually done anything is a tough one to go along with. Fair enough if some criminal investigation brings them into focus and is dealt with in proper fashion, but the rounding up first and asking questions later is very WWII and seems rather unpalatable to say the least. This will surely end in the further radicalisation of those who may have been sitting on the fence.
Here https://gript.ie/if-jacinda-ardern-were-irish-shed-be-called-far-right/ is an interesting look at the left/right switch thing I was getting at a few pages ago.
I'm not well versed in NZ politics, but on the face of it she sounds like the sort of centre-lefty I thought I was. Would have to dig in a bit more but an interesting perspective for sure.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2020, 04:22:20 PM
Here https://gript.ie/if-jacinda-ardern-were-irish-shed-be-called-far-right/ is an interesting look at the left/right switch thing I was getting at a few pages ago.
I'm not well versed in NZ politics, but on the face of it she sounds like the sort of centre-lefty I thought I was. Would have to dig in a bit more but an interesting perspective for sure.
Don't really see the connection to this thread, but a new absolute rag to add to the list now anyway! Quickly looked up the immigration and tax figures they quote; either just pulled out of the air, or deployed behind the smoke and mirrors of dancing between one presentation for New Zealand, another for Ireland.
https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/living-in-nz/money-tax/nz-tax-system (don't forget to mentally divide NZ$ in half to roughly get to euros)
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/tax/income_tax/how_your_tax_is_calculated.html#
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/what-we-do/our-strategies-and-projects/supporting-refugees-and-asylum-seekers (can't see how many "demands" they get, but they settle around 1000 a year, and their annual immigration - rather than just asylum - numbers are roughly double Ireland's)
Gript are garbage, wouldn't trust them with anything. Alt right light shite generally, also got stung lately for hiring/being involved with a firm that came from the ashes of cambridge analytica too - cue a shit ton of deleted fb & twitter posts and "we don't know what you mean"
Well the connection to this thread is based on how most of it becomes a left v right discussion no matter which new topic is introduced, and I was talking a bit back about how the sides seem to be flipped by the media more often than not these days. I'm unsure about gript media myself and what their agenda might be so I did say I would have to look deeper, but NZ politics is pretty low on my list of interests and I was more using the article to illustrate my earlier point. I actually refused to use something else from gript in another thread a while back because it was the only source I could find for certain figures I needed to back up some other shit I was saying. Maybe the only point in the left/right switch there worth taking heed of is the gender one then? Which is minor but I'll take it in the attempt to use it to back up my ideas.
And however bad gript might be, they surely can't have stooped any lower than The Journal's fact checking exercise a few days ago, which belongs in the covid thread but has to be as low as I've seen anything outside of the red-tops stoop to. And yet The Journal is seen as being an honest and impartial version of things. It's a real minefield, the old media.
Gemma O'Doherty offends me. I can't think of anybody worse to stand up for the cause of freedom than her.
I think that this whole "far right" boogeyman is yet another term up there with "incel" or "feminazi" etc. Used as an insult for morons with the inability to debate coherently .
I agree about the labelling of everything as "far right" now. It is very poor stuff. Basically anyone who disagrees with anything is now "far right" and that is enough to be labelled with to stop most people listening to somebody. Funnily enough it seems to me that it is those labelled as the left who seem the most totalitarian in nature, when in my mind that was the right wing thing. Ah fuck it I never truly went in for either side anyway so fuck em all.
The thing that gets me about O'Doherty is simply how annoying she is. Back when she was taking the case against lockdown I agreed with the idea, that the erosion of freedom had to be unconstitutional somehow, but how I sighed when she and Waters became the faces of it. I knew it was doomed. In fact their involvement in speaking for freedom hurts the cause more than helps in any way. Really annoying.
The Kun Aguero incident with the lineswoman, thankfully didn't go too far. I read some horrendous reports using words like grope and other overly sexualised words for what was a sportsman putting his hand on the shoulder/neck of the official. If he'd done it to a man, he could easily have been given a yellow card or whatever also, so there is that side to it. But because it's a woman, something quite innocuous in the heat of battle is turned into some seedy, sleazy narrative.
And it begs the question..if that's the way it's going to be then maybe we'd be better off keeping the sexes separate in terms of football and sport in general. If every little non-incident like it results in a sportsman getting their name dragged through the mud, then maybe the best option is to completely mitigate against it and not have her there in the first place. I'm sure that would draw the ire of every snowflake walking this good planet, but maybe it's time to get off the fence here. I remember Jordan Peterson making the excellent point that workplace mixing of sexes was so new in terms of humanity in general that we're really only going through a very new phase with all of these things. In fairness the official herself doesn't seem to have kicked up a fuss about it which, at the very least, is reassuring. And just to be very clear, I'm completely in favour of having her there, but I see a massive need for some old fashioned common fucking sense also.
What a ridiculous turn of events. Rules say you can't touch match official, isn't always applied, happens all of the time with players and officials, usually light hearted in nature, card if not. Nothing to see here and move on. All those fucking dopes saying how evil it was make me feel sad.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 21, 2020, 05:07:24 PM
Gemma O'Doherty offends me. I can't think of anybody worse to stand up for the cause of freedom than her.
She is just another Alex Jones / David Icke shill put in place to make anyone who even questions the narrative seem crazy.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 21, 2020, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on October 21, 2020, 05:07:24 PM
Gemma O'Doherty offends me. I can't think of anybody worse to stand up for the cause of freedom than her.
She is just another Alex Jones / David Icke shill put in place to make anyone who even questions the narrative seem crazy.
A shill or a useful idiot? Personally, I don't think she's mentally stable enough to be a shill, in the strictest sense. But a better useful idiot for the maintenance of the status quo you will not find in Ireland.
Supposedly her husband went off with some young one and she just lost the plot. From what I've seen of her I'd find her hard to take her in any way seriously. Another public figure that seems to get the most cool headed of people worked up into a tizzy when just ignoring her would be the easiest and most effective approach.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 21, 2020, 10:12:40 PM
The Kun Aguero incident with the lineswoman, thankfully didn't go too far. I read some horrendous reports using words like grope and other overly sexualised words for what was a sportsman putting his hand on the shoulder/neck of the official. If he'd done it to a man, he could easily have been given a yellow card or whatever also, so there is that side to it. But because it's a woman, something quite innocuous in the heat of battle is turned into some seedy, sleazy narrative.
And it begs the question..if that's the way it's going to be then maybe we'd be better off keeping the sexes separate in terms of football and sport in general. If every little non-incident like it results in a sportsman getting their name dragged through the mud, then maybe the best option is to completely mitigate against it and not have her there in the first place. I'm sure that would draw the ire of every snowflake walking this good planet, but maybe it's time to get off the fence here. I remember Jordan Peterson making the excellent point that workplace mixing of sexes was so new in terms of humanity in general that we're really only going through a very new phase with all of these things. In fairness the official herself doesn't seem to have kicked up a fuss about it which, at the very least, is reassuring. And just to be very clear, I'm completely in favour of having her there, but I see a massive need for some old fashioned common fucking sense also.
Nah. If that was the case she (and a top class linesman btw) wouldnt have had the chance the officiate in the premier league. Why shouldn't she get the chance. Fuck the idiots who make a meal out of it.
Exactly my point. I agree completely. Thankfully the story seemed to be quashed, but disturbing none the less. Again, the media. Bastards.
Regarding O Doherty, useful idiot seems more like it than shill. Watched her video with the old man and the mask. There are 2 versions going around and the first looks like she is bullying the poor fucker and the second full one which was posted to sort of exonerate her makes her look like a right condescending shite. She even does good badly. Anyone who speaks to old folks like 2 year old kids seems like a shite to me. Ok my wife works in dementia care, so there is a use for it at times but in the general run of things treat people as you want to be treated, and unless you have some sort of fetish, baby talk is not the way.
She doesn't really get me worked up into a tizzy as such, it just offends my sensibilities somewhat when the public face of certain opinions I have myself is her. That court case she and Waters took might have been something good for us all if they weren't so mock.
https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/home/582521/its-an-abuse-that-can-destroy-your-soul-and-sense-of-safety-longford-mother-aneta-safiak-on-the-hate-crimes-she-has-endured.html
Horrendous. These people are fucked in the head. I get that people are aggrieved with the government and the system but it's one thing talking on a theoretical level, but others just can't seem to stop acting like tramps. I suspect plenty Irish people have questions and certain gripes about the way things have gone in the country in recent memory. The question of immigration is certainly one that requires constant discussion, if not to safeguard those who emigrate from other countries also.
There's also an aspect of a country retaining its traditions etc etc...but this stuff? I get that the Brits for example might want sovereignty and to be free of the EU..fine, no problem, but these types seem to always twist the narrative to suit their hate filled vomit.
Horrendous. Poor woman. I always scoffed at this idea of 'the welcoming Irish'. Yes, plenty of lovely people around, but an equal amount of pure scum, and you could apply that spectrum to any nationality. But I still can't help but feel that these people are a bottom feeding minority of fanatics and the less airtime that is given to the them the better for everyone. Am I wrong in that? Maybe..hard to know.
A bottom feeding minority who resort to actual thuggery, but gorged on rhetoric from the kind of commentators that are all too regularly quoted as paragons of wisdom by certain folk here.
Give me a fucking break, Chris. There's an equal amount of retards on the left who are scumbags and believe that in their self righteousness they are free to intimidate and destroy all and sundry. I'm sure they are happy to justify their own cuntish actions by quoting your very own heroes, too. The simple fact is that scum is scum, no matter what their politics are.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 22, 2020, 09:20:21 AM
https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/home/582521/its-an-abuse-that-can-destroy-your-soul-and-sense-of-safety-longford-mother-aneta-safiak-on-the-hate-crimes-she-has-endured.html
Horrendous. These people are fucked in the head. I get that people are aggrieved with the government and the system but it's one thing talking on a theoretical level, but others just can't seem to stop acting like tramps. I suspect plenty Irish people have questions and certain gripes about the way things have gone in the country in recent memory. The question of immigration is certainly one that requires constant discussion, if not to safeguard those who emigrate from other countries also.
There's also an aspect of a country retaining its traditions etc etc...but this stuff? I get that the Brits for example might want sovereignty and to be free of the EU..fine, no problem, but these types seem to always twist the narrative to suit their hate filled vomit.
Horrendous. Poor woman. I always scoffed at this idea of 'the welcoming Irish'. Yes, plenty of lovely people around, but an equal amount of pure scum, and you could apply that spectrum to any nationality. But I still can't help but feel that these people are a bottom feeding minority of fanatics and the less airtime that is given to the them the better for everyone. Am I wrong in that? Maybe..hard to know.
Pure knacker scum. There is nothing political about what they are doing, they are just total braindead cunts.
That Longford story...Christ. It's Irish people copycatting certain unsavoury UK elements.
I have reservations, strong ones, about uncontrolled migration, but that kind of intimidation is sickening. It's extremely un-Irish. I had, wrongly, obviously, believed we were a relatively benign country for Eastern European's to come to.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 22, 2020, 10:24:10 AM
Give me a fucking break, Chris. There's an equal amount of retards on the left who are scumbags and believe that in their self righteousness they are free to intimidate and destroy all and sundry. I'm sure they are happy to justify their own cuntish actions by quoting your very own heroes, too. The simple fact is that scum is scum, no matter what their politics are.
Except in fringe individuals with more or less no real platform, there is nothing on the left to compare to the kind of widespread dehumanizing terms like "swarm", "invasion", "parasite", etc., with the notable exception of how a lot on the left speak of the police. The police, however, can be considered to be generally better prepared to deal with scum than random immigrants. One rhetoric punches down, one punches up. Take your pick.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 22, 2020, 11:07:13 AM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 22, 2020, 10:24:10 AM
Give me a fucking break, Chris. There's an equal amount of retards on the left who are scumbags and believe that in their self righteousness they are free to intimidate and destroy all and sundry. I'm sure they are happy to justify their own cuntish actions by quoting your very own heroes, too. The simple fact is that scum is scum, no matter what their politics are.
Except in fringe individuals with more or less no real platform, there is nothing on the left to compare to the kind of widespread dehumanizing terms like "swarm", "invasion", "parasite", etc., with the notable exception of how a lot on the left speak of the police. The police, however, can be considered to be generally better prepared to deal with scum than random immigrants. One rhetoric punches down, one punches up. Take your pick.
I'm with McLove on this . Despite protests to the opposite you sometimes display a certain 'look the other way' approach when it comes to certain sections and certain attitudes. The above is a perfect example, where the killing of police doing their jobs, the complete demonisation of hundreds of thousands of honest people who go about their work to the best of their abilities is torn to shreds because of incidents like the George Floyd case. Yes it's horrendous what happened but the disregard for all those others doing the right thing is a similar approach that these racist arseholes take when they blame everyone for the actions of the few.
I would include cancel culture and other tactics of the far left with these horrendous freaks who go around stoking up reeentment against people from certain backgrounds and minorities. It's the same thing all of it. Scum are scum. Discussing theory and ideas is not the same as the reality of fanatics both on the left and right acting out their rage. Or maybe that's the way I read your posts? I'm open to correction, and I'm not 'having a go' per se, rather pointing out the similarities.
What about anyone who doesn't toe the party line getting branded as a Nazi, a homophobe, a misogynist, an Islamaphobe... A TRANSPHOBE! Horseshite of the highest order and that's the mainstream you're looking at there.
What's irritating is that despite people who might read certain commentators you have an issue with openly criticising the knacker behaviour of those retards, you can't help jumping up on the high horse and wagging your finger. Surely this is something all reasonable people can agree as being completely beyond the Pale.
You just have to look at the Spanish civil war to see how extremes on both sides lead to total chaos. I'm sure there are plenty more examples. The middle badly needs to start speaking up more instead of being drowned out by the schoolyard tactics of tehe left and right. The issue right now, however, is that the left's tactics have been absorbed into the mainstream to such an extent as to almost be classed as normal. In other decades the right held the middle ground. Silencing, shaming, accusations with no evidence..the battle for common sense needs to happen quickly or we're fucked.
Again we return to the cesspit of social media where moderation gets you nowhere, but it's become the new town square so that's where ideas get howled out.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 22, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
That Longford story...Christ. It's Irish people copycatting certain unsavoury UK elements.
I have reservations, strong ones, about uncontrolled migration, but that kind of intimidation is sickening. It's extremely un-Irish. I had, wrongly, obviously, believed we were a relatively benign country for Eastern European's to come to.
Not to tar all Dublin taxi drivers with the same brush, because plenty of them are great human beings, but I've been audience to some of the most insane racist rants ever as a passenger in a taxi. I told one lad to pull over that I wasn't listening to his shite for another second. It's like anywhere. The Spanish are the warmest, nicest people ever, but you get the same lad or lady everywhere..wankers, small minded cunts spewing venom. And Ireland, my jesus...I can t imagine it's plain sailing for anyone of colour in our beautiful country. Them lads that ride the rickshaws around Dublin.
I've seen them attacked on a few separate occassions in Dublin city and the venom and abuse hurled at them by horrible Dublin gutter rats. Would make your blood boil. But, and it's a definite huge, but, for all of that bad shit, I think there are so many welcoming and really good, fair people around that actually go out of their way to project the complete opposite of that. So..a work in progress. Can't let the scum drag us down. Drown them out. They'll always be there but we just got to rise above it.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, Pedrito, but if you've read anything by Jordan Peterson or Douglas Murray, then you are in league with those racist gutter rats who have never seen a book, but are also avid readers of their work. You are LITERALLY a Nazi.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 22, 2020, 11:21:09 AM
What about anyone who doesn't toe the party line getting branded as a Nazi, a homophobe, a misogynist, an Islamaphobe... A TRANSPHOBE! Horseshite of the highest order and that's the mainstream you're looking at there.
What's irritating is that despite people who might read certain commentators you have an issue with openly criticising the knacker behaviour of those retards, you can't help jumping up on the high horse and wagging your finger. Surely this is something all reasonable people can agree as being completely beyond the Pale.
I think I've been quite consistently critical of silly label branding, particularly "nazi". There is a definite and undeniable type of conservative rhetoric whose clear aim is to get the hard-done-by natives to blame their lot on anything other than the real cause. You may say that on the left, there's a tendency to get the same types of people not to take responsibility for themselves and blame others too, but again, there is a distinct difference between the blame targets, which isn't a justification in toto, but is meaningful in terms of real world physical consequences, nonetheless.
Anyway, you're both right to tone me down a notch; certain elements of that story touched a nerve I guess.
A lot of that old shite takes place in the larger towns and cities where the scumbags have a bit of safety in numbers going on. About 10,000 around the area I live in. Plenty of Eastern Europeans, Blacks, Syrians, English and whoever else but because the town is small everyone seems to integrate after a while. The syrian lads are the latest group around and as usual everyone is a bit iffy at first and giving out about the mosque they built but then a few lads get to know them and after a while they all just get on with it, working with them and living beside them. My own young lad hangs about with Irish English Polish Latvian Nigerian and Syrian lads and they don't give a fuck what colour or nationality they all are. They only care if they want to play soccer or hurling or not. I honestly think that's to do with the size of the town and the fact people's attitudes in general have softened up over the years. The extreme left and the extreme right are both wrong, no matter which ideologues they use to back up their thick views. Unfortunately those who shout the loudest seem to get the most attention these days but I think anyone who really has a brain will fall somewhere in the middle, and that is the vast majority but they don't really shout about it so no one notices them. And like every group in the world anyone can find, some lads are not sound and some are, regardless of where they come from.
Read that Longford story there and it is sickening. How anyone can be so stupid as to make a target of a woman like that to make themselves feel better about their own rotten life is beyond me. They must have no inner monologue to be able to carry on with that and not go home and cry themselves to sleep for the awful piece of shit that they are, and no political ideology can possibly excuse it. What does get my curiosity going is wondering what it is these idiots think that they are achieving by picking on her. What is the actual source of their anger?
They're just twisted, there's no reasoning it out. There's plenty of them around but thankfully as an adult you can decide to cut them out of your life for the most part.
I was reading in the paper a while back about Iraqis, Pakistanis and Poles and what have you playing hurling at various levels (hon the lads!), who gives a fucking shit? Fair play, I think it's brilliant. A buddy of mine is extremely thankful for the Nigerian fanny being responsible for this new generation of Irish footballers coming through, and I couldn't agree with him more. That's integration, and 'race' which nobody has any control over (although if one can identify as a woman...), is totally irrelevant. Respect the culture, behave and integrate, at least to some extent, and there are absolutely no grounds for complaint.
Sustainable numbers are a given.
I've already been called a Nazi once this week :)
Quote from: Pedrito on October 22, 2020, 12:40:31 PM
They're just twisted, there's no reasoning it out. There's plenty of them around but thankfully as an adult you can decide to cut them out of your life for the most part.
Yeah thankfully. It's easy to fall into for some folks though. Sure I posted something in another thread that I'd sourced on twitter and in my innocence didn't know that it was tied into some hateful cunts because I'd never heard of them. I've tried to be careful since but I can see how one might fall down the rabbit hole. The old algorithm has a way of pulling people in and polarising them. Saying that though, common sense surely has to kick in and I often say it but that is the reason I scratch my itch on here as it isn't the echo chamber that most of the rest of the web is. Now I think of it, the "web" is a great name for it, but it is down to ourselves not to be of the mindset of the flies.
Regarding culture, who wants to see the homogenising of societies worldwide? I wouldn't want to think that I'd visit Paris and it be the same shit as visiting Warsaw or London or Dublin or wherever. There is beauty in diversity and it is to be celebrated not demonised. So I want Ireland to feel Irish and that shouldn't see me labelled as right wing or anything else. I don't want other countries to feel Irish if I go to them or what is the point of it. So integration is a good thing and that is what I was getting at talking of the young fella and his pals.
This mightn't make sense but it's something that keeps popping up in my head again and again..
So I went onto O'Doherty's twitter there..jesus fkn christ. Honestly, I need a shower after that. But it kind of confirmed something to me. I always had a feeling that Ireland would actually display way more of this right leaning stuff, than just about anywhere else if given time. We're a very nationalistic people, and I would include myself in that, but it was only a matter of time before that rebel spirit and love of our own was subverted by EU policies, immigration policies etc. I wondered how Sinn Féin, for example, would balance the whole 'Ireland for the Irish' stance with the modern world of migratory populations etc. And the crazy thing is that that nationalistic vibe which actually advocates highly left leaning policies, being greatly influenced by Russian/Marxist ideals would be flipped on itself by this new world we are living in. As of yet SF, for example, seem to have avoided any of it but one would wonder how long a wholly nationalistic party can hold back the current mood in the western world which is very much set up against nationalism and traditionalism.
Just to be clear, I'm not taking sides here or saying one is right or the other is wrong..that's actually by the by in many ways. I'm simply riffing on an idea and feel free to pull it apart.
What I'm more getting at is the shift from what was the 'good' in our country i.e. nationalism, traditionalism, Irish, GAA, Brits out, rebellion, roguery and anti-establishment, and very much pro-freedom values to this modern set up of lads like Leo and Micheál tightly ensconced behind an ultra tight PR machine whole implementing EU directives to the letter. A new 'good', yet something that has come upon us rather than having been decided by us. Again, I'm as much a proponent of the EU as the next lad. It has given me a life, a job in another country, ot has so much going for it. Yet this tide, and these Gemma O'Dohertys...is this a fringe reaction or what is it? How do we answer these accusations she's throwing around of the Irish being cancelled out, when she is appealing to something that was the driving force of our society for so long..the need and desire to be Irish and free etc etc. It feels like so many things have been flipped on their heads in recent times that it's hard to make sense of it all.
Am I making any sense here? And before anyone says anything..fuk Gemma O'Doherty. What a horrible yoke she is.
I imagine that sort of existential crisis must be true of every country in the EU. Europe is an old continent, each country has its own particular history, however intertwined that may be with its neighbour. It's a strange compilation of unique cultures that are yet bound by the common thread of, what? Christianity? I'm not sure what Italy has in common with, for example, Norway. Not much on the surface, and it might only be that each place identifies as being proudly European. Brainfarting here myself.
The EU has brought brilliant opportunities and has done Ireland well, no doubt about that. We are a prosperous country now, a desirable one I'm sure, and we have the freedom to move around a vast landmass unimpeded to chase work, chase skirt, whatever it is you're after. That's all fantastic. But what is the greater cost? How much of our own sovereignty has been sacrificed for that?
There is probably an entire thread's worth of discussion on this topic.
Bit early to come up with a response but ya, very interesting question. Interesting enough for its own thread for sure. It's, again, the way a few of us would be or have been self-confessed left of centre leaning and yet the left in society no longer seem to represent us, yet Gemma et al are a horrible bunch. I don't really see any politician or party represent where I am, politically speaking.
I agree with O'Doherty on a few issues, mainly immigration (I don't think her stance is extreme, at least judging from what I've read) but so many of the remarks she comes out with are so moronic that it is almost impossible to identify with her. There is fertile ground for a reasonable, alt-light (not a typo) alternative but she is certainly not it. Her piss poor performance in the elections she has stood for demonstrate this.
Pete is right about the hyper sanitised Pro-EU government with the tight-as-a-drum PR machine. It's not what we are used to. I have little time for Sinn Féin's politics outside of the nationalist/cultural side of things but they were the people's choice, and maybe they should have been given a go. It was quite unpalatable seeing the scramble to form any kind of coalition to keep them out, formed between arch-enemies 'for the good of the country'.
Brain farts all round this morning :)
You express shock at what happened to that Polish woman, and then say you agree with O'Doherty's views on immigration. Right.
Give me a fucking break.
Controlled immigration, not uncontrolled immigration. That's O'Doherty's position. What is the issue with that? If I read anything which is extreme, I would condemn it unequivocally. I have a kid with a polish woman and I live in a foreign country, so I'm hardly for 'sending all dem fukkers home', which is moreover crystal clear from several of my posts.
Holding this quite reasonable position has nothing whatsoever to do with expressing an opinion on disgraceful thuggery and intimidation.
Which, as usual, you know perfectly well, but pretend not to.
Why do you do this?
O'Doherty's position on immigration is intimidation, demonization, and persecution of immigrants themselves.
Is it? I haven't read her espouse anything like that. Of course I'm open to being educated, and try not to wheedle what I've stated as some kind of defence of a repugnant individual, as is your wont.
Did you read the story about the Polish woman?? It's an O'Doherty story at base.
She said 'Irish people are becoming a minority in their own country'. It's not an original comment, it's something she's gotten from various European commentators vaguely on the same political wavelength as she is. It might have some merit (as a factual observation, as opposed to the possible implicit message) in Mälmo, plusiers d'arrondissements in Paris, and certainly in many Lancashire towns, it's a completely bogus claim in Ireland.
Nevertheless, it doesn't necessarily amount to your analysis of her position. Nor can she be held accountable for scumbags behaving like scumbags.
She's a tit, a dim-witted attention seeker, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. 'Controlled immigration' is neither unreasonable nor extreme. Her twitter feed, conversely, is spasticated, as is the vast majority of what she says about false flags, her Wuhan coronavirus bullshit etc.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 24, 2020, 01:45:59 PM
Is it? I haven't read her espouse anything like that. Of course I'm open to being educated, and try not to wheedle what I've stated as some kind of defence of a repugnant individual, as is your wont.
I've been following that bint on social media for a while. What Chris said is totally accurate. She's a vile creature who demonizes foreigners all the time. Also people who have called her out getting multiple harassing calls from patriots. Sometimes after said bint called for it.
Yeah, she's so much in favour of controlled immigration that she loses her bin at a Lidl ad that had the utter audacity to have a Brazilian lad in it. Which once again led to a torrent of abuse for that couple, like the Polish woman, and she couldnt give a fuck about it
Or go marching with signs saying "Ireland for the Irish", definitely sounds like someone with a nuanced view of immigration policies
I get what Kev is saying but I decided to focus in on her a little and she's all racist jibber jabber. A headbanger with none of the nuance required to discuss movement, immigration, identity etc in an adult, open and progressive way. Again, the centre ground needs to be fought for. My previous point was on how we might strike a balance between the old and new world we live in. That takes thought, cool heads etc.
I just read there that she used to write for the independent? Granted, it's gone downhill rapidly over the last 15 years, but she must have been taking it all ways to get that gig!
No. She is a knob even if there is some semblance of something worth thinking about in what she says. No matter what she might be saying she is entirely the wrong face of it. It is because of the likes of her that nobody really gave any consideration to the constitutionality of lockdowns for example. Wanting to be free is now labelled as Far Right by 99% of people who see her as the poster girl for it.
The extremists need to be kept out of rational discussion.
As a matter of interest, what is the general feeling here about Tommy Robinson? I find him far more agreeable than Gemma, past associations aside.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 24, 2020, 03:23:05 PM
As a matter of interest, what is the general feeling here about Tommy Robinson? I find him far more agreeable than Gemma, past associations aside.
I'll get my coat :laugh:
I've never heard of him, what is his buzz?
It was bait on the end of my hook for Chris principally, but he's like the anti-Christ for the left over in the UK.
He's anti-Islam for the most part, he used to be leader of the EDL. He's been in the slammer for basically fuck all aswell. His is an interesting story.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 24, 2020, 04:36:35 PM
...he's like the anti-Chris
Fixed that for you by the sounds of him. Will check him out though for the craic, although I find the EDL tag off-putting.
He's disavowed them since. Still, he'll have to eat any criticism he gets for it.
O'Doherty more or less (as in, she has tweeted and spoken about it at some points in recent years) believes the view that mass immigration is a Jewish elite organized conspiracy to depurify the white race. This is why her illegal publication of a photo of school children caused a stir; because one of the children of immigrants in the photo she reflexively referred to as Irish, since he was white, was no more Irish than some of his unwhite classmates. I.e. you can be seen as Irish if you're born in Ireland to immigrant parents if you're white, but not if you're not white. You indicated in the direction of the same thinking when you expressed surprise at Polish (i.e white) people being subject ti racism in Ireland. Well, yes, the average anti-immigration mind is that superficial, so that's understandable. If anything, the racism this Longford woman is undergoing is a result of what some would say was her being a "race traitor" by attacking O'Doherty for instrumentalizing her kid's incidental (with respect to Irishness) skin colour.
'The average anti-immigration mind is superficial'
The arrogance, the inflated self-esteem behind some of your remarks is startling.
Was your entire post designed to slip that in there?
Fuck sake ladín
The average mind is superficial, full stop. If it weren't, politics in general would have a very different surface!
I would like to think I'm above all that superfi.... fuck sake those foreign polski cunts are after going 1 nil up vs the boys in green and our boy McGoldrick is after being pure robbed of a peno there!!! I'll be having this out big time with piotr and mateusz at work tomorrow
Edit: But I won't even bother getting into it with the neighbour Abayomrunkoje. Sure that nigerian bollix smoked 3/4 of the joint last time we were sessioning together..
Therein lies a lot of the problem. A right wing nutjob can have a coupla very valid points, and they are, but their other crap dilutes it all. Then when someone says but point x and y should appeal to most people as being common sense, which it is, but coincidentally, people in the vein of BSC, completely bypass the sensible points of view, and go straight for the low-hanging fruit of yer wan being a daft bitch, which she is.
She is a spa, and her iteration of "policy" is completely bizarre, but underneath her spa-ness there are elements there that need to be taken into account through the prism of a non-spa.
Kev said he agreed with O'Doherty "on immigration". I have spoken about nothing besides her takes on immigration. It's hardly my fault she has bat-shit notions on every issue she touches, along with a mean-spirited and reckless way of expressing them. I'm guessing Kev didn't really know the extent of her actual views on immigration, but that's why it's not a good idea to say "I agree with [known crazy person] about X" unless you know everything they have ever said about X, because a safe assumption is that a lot of it will be crazy! Is this not all obvious??
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 24, 2020, 09:19:02 PM
The average mind is superficial, full stop. If it weren't, politics in general would have a very different surface!
You are well read and you are clearly highly intelligent so resorting to such banal generalisations points to some kind of re-education process. Somebody monitor this lads library card!
However, point taken. I agreed only with one sound byte she made, I was ill informed as to the extent of her extremism.
Her way of describing immigration is, of course, daft. But a normal person can see past a lot of the nonsense of her language and put their own nuance on it. I know Kev is a bit slow, being from Kilkenny and what not, but even he wouldn't take her opinions and, more importantly, the way she voices them as being correct.
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 24, 2020, 09:59:34 PM
Therein lies a lot of the problem. A right wing nutjob can have a coupla very valid points, and they are, but their other crap dilutes it all. Then when someone says but point x and y should appeal to most people as being common sense, which it is, but coincidentally, people in the vein of BSC, completely bypass the sensible points of view, and go straight for the low-hanging fruit of yer wan being a daft bitch, which she is.
She is a spa, and her iteration of "policy" is completely bizarre, but underneath her spa-ness there are elements there that need to be taken into account through the prism of a non-spa.
Yeah I agree, the fully polarised dopes are taking the debate away from the more reasonable. There are many fully valid and reasonable debates to be had around immigration, integration, national identity and lots more besides but the noise created by idiots at both ends of the scale really clouds the shit out of it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 24, 2020, 10:22:33 PM
However, point taken. I agreed only with one sound byte she made, I was ill informed as to the extent of her extremism.
I have had problems like this myself a lot. But being from Tipp it's only fair I enjoy seeing a Kilkenny cunt suffer
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 24, 2020, 10:24:42 PM
Her way of describing immigration is, of course, daft. But a normal person can see past a lot of the nonsense of her language and put their own nuance on it. I know Kev is a bit slow, being from Kilkenny and what not, but even he wouldn't take her opinions and, more importantly, the way she voices them as being correct.
A normal person would learn to ignore her completely and form their nuanced views from sane sources.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 24, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 24, 2020, 10:24:42 PM
Her way of describing immigration is, of course, daft. But a normal person can see past a lot of the nonsense of her language and put their own nuance on it. I know Kev is a bit slow, being from Kilkenny and what not, but even he wouldn't take her opinions and, more importantly, the way she voices them as being correct.
A normal person would learn to ignore her completely and form their nuanced views from sane sources.
So, unless a sane source comes out with, "Controlled immigration should be considered". What's the difference whether the source is a mentalist or anybody else? Would you then say that any and everything out of her mouth is rubbish? Or are you....yet again... reaching the low hanging fruit of her being a bint overall makes everything she has to say automatically null and void?
Quote from: astfgyl on October 24, 2020, 10:28:39 PM
Yeah I agree, the fully polarised dopes are taking the debate away from the more reasonable. There are many fully valid and reasonable debates to be had around immigration, integration, national identity and lots more besides but the noise created by idiots at both ends of the scale really clouds the shit out of it.
Ain't that the bloody truth.
The phrase "playing the ball and not the man" is very important these days as we all try to wade through the mire
I'm just baffled why there's any defence of her coming from you Emphyrio. Of course a sane source can advocate for controlled immigration, but that doesn't mean we have to give the benefit of the doubt to every nutter who expresses that view either, does it? In fact, people letting O'Doherty get a foot in the door because of x,y, or z view she holds that they agree with is precisely why we hear so much of her shite. Don't get your angle here at all tbh. Nobody sane should be lending any credence to anything she says by saying, "but she's right about controlled immigration." No, she's not right about controlled immigration if she thinks uncontrolled immigration is a Soros orchestrated Zionist conspiracy. That's the ball!!
Ah come on man, of course he is saying that she might have a point we could consider around controlled immigration but we are smart enough to leave the zionist shit out and talk about it as the moderates that we are
As I say, she is a mentalist. But anybody that comes out with anything along the controlled immigration line is automatically labelled a racist or something very, very akin. Unfortunately it takes a high profile person to even bring it into the realm of the RTE News layperson.
I suppose it's similar to the rise of Trump and right wing in America. While there is a very needed discussion, Gemma and her polar opposites are the only ones that will get air, but the majority that fall somewhere in between are largely unheard. The problem being, any mention of controlled immigration raises the hackles of what Kev would call lefties.
All the more reason people need to know not to mention such nutters in the same breath as their own views.
I work with a lad who, although a mate, is very wary of talking to me now because he thinks I'm a Nazi over a whole host of issues, the most recent being the Polish abortion situation.
Gemma is a crank, a poor mans Katie Hopkins, but it's not inconceivable that she can be right about something. Chris and Marx, the synapses might snap faster than mine, I'm from Kilkenny, but I detest their worldview. Doesn't mean they aren't absolutely right about the odd thing.
Well as I've often said, me own young lad and his pals are a shining example of the fact that there is fuck all wrong with immigration. We do however live in a small town so the effect is not the same. Take that to a city and multiply it by 100 though and then you end up with isolated pockets of immigrants away from the wider communities they have ended up migrating to and there is the problem. Dublin is a shining example of this. No one Irish in Dublin knows anything about the Syrian communities there because those communities are large enough to afford themselves the opportunity to be insular, but everyone in the small town I live has gotten to know the immigrants because the pockets are so small that they have no choice after a while. So yeah maybe control the immigration to being dribs and drabs from any particular community and the solution presents itself.
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 24, 2020, 10:59:30 PM
As I say, she is a mentalist. But anybody that comes out with anything along the controlled immigration line is automatically labelled a racist or something very, very akin. Unfortunately it takes a high profile person to even bring it into the realm of the RTE News layperson.
I suppose it's similar to the rise of Trump and right wing in America. While there is a very needed discussion, Gemma and her polar opposites are the only ones that will get air, but the majority that fall somewhere in between are largely unheard. The problem being, any mention of controlled immigration raises the hackles of what Kev would call lefties.
Herein lies the frustration of the silent majority and the reason for the likes of Brexit and Trump because there is no voice for a majority swathe of very mild mannered, middle ground people who have certain questions about certain policies that have been forced upon them out of nowhere.
Again, I can't state it enough, the middle needs to be reclaimed. Am I a nazi, absolutely not. Do I think kids should be operated on and have their penises removed..absolutely not. Do I like hot, sexy Polish, African, Latina, Asian, Monegal, Mayo, anything with a pulse women and welcome them to my shores for procreation and fiddling..absolutely. Do I wonder if open borders and the constant stream of over and back of populations across borders is completely healty as evidenced by Covid..yeah I wonder it, I'm not completely against it but I wonder if it needs a touch of controlling.
So, where's my representation, with my mild mannered, happy go lucky, but don't be forcing your commie gender bending shite down my throat views on things attitude, to things..just a touch of representation please, it's all I'm asking, a nuanced conversation and not the same PR machined fucking tripe that I'm meant to swallow religiously without gripe or dissention. I won't be marching or burning shit in the street and maybe that's why nobody is representing me, because I don't go on like a fukin bipolar child-adult retard, screaming about shit constantly..my means of protest limited to just turning off the TV whenever I hear these wafflers and their completely transparent, to anyone with half a braincell, read from the same hymnsheet day in day out ad nauseaum, sanitised in bleach so as not to get themselves in any bother, keep the fukin ship afloat politics, without ever making a go of anything that might actually make a deep impact on society, drivel, while the general joe on the street has no voice and is supposedly represnted by a press, that has all the protection in the world, and which is supposed to speak for Joe, but is only now interested in absolute bollox clickbait shite, gobshites like Gemma O'Doherty, Donald Trump and any other oul caricature they can find to stir shite at monumental levels. A good batin with a hurl would sort a lot of it out but we can't allow that anymore unfortunately.
Bringing a salty tear to me eye there Pedro.. I feel you
Well said Pedro. As an aside, tis grand to wake up not hungover as expected.
Is a Monegal bird half Mongolian half Letterkenny??
Good man Pete:)
The boys in Napoli not taking kindly to the lockdown there, fair play to them for not accepting everything meekly, the auld rowing with the police though. I always wonder how much of that carry on is fuelled by genuine rage at a perceived injustice and how much of it is just the adrenaline rush of running battles with 5-0.
The lack of going to matches and other general social outlets is surely a strong contributing factor to their rage. The video I watched showed them refusing to turn violent against the cops, who in turn broke their lines and peacefully accompanied the marchers along their route. There were of course other videos of tear gas being fired at running protesters, and I'm unsure as to which came first.
I'm of the opinion that peaceful protest will achieve more than violence, but there is a counter argument that violent protest gets more people to sit up and take notice.
Quite a large number of police departments over yonder have had substantial budget cuts in the wake of the protests (of which a good portion were and are violent). Giving into it just encourages cunts more. Baton charge them!
Quote from: Emphyrio on October 25, 2020, 11:04:23 AM
Well said Pedro. As an aside, tis grand to wake up not hungover as expected.
That gin n tonic tipped me over the edge 😂
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 25, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
Quite a large number of police departments over yonder have had substantial budget cuts in the wake of the protests (of which a good portion were and are violent). Giving into it just encourages cunts more. Baton charge them!
I don't doubt for a minute that the video I watched is the exception. In fact the only comparable situation I have seen is some of the BLM protests where the cause was so politically acceptable as to allow the cops to stand off without media criticism. I think giving in to peaceful protest might set a precedent for both sides and ultimately a more favourable outcome where the will of the people is not ignored or beaten to a pulp. Maybe then the violent elements involved in such demonstrations would be somewhat policed by their own side and weeded out that way. These chaps in Naples have seen the effect of draconian restrictions on their livelihoods and basic rights to work and gather socially and it is understandable that they won't want to go through it again. So I think as long as the protesters don't strike first, I would disagree with the notion of baton-charging them but I think a large police presence would have to be maintained in a peacekeeping capacity to prevent things like destruction of property and the like.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 25, 2020, 11:20:23 AM
Is a Monegal bird half Mongolian half Letterkenny??
Half mongoloid, half Donegal yep.
I wonder who would perform such a heinous act..??
https://www.loudersound.com/news/dark-mark-vs-skeleton-joe-is-the-gothic-death-disco-you-never-knew-you-needed
Can we take a moment, in light of yesterday's latest chapter in the absurd Corbyn story, to have a pop at those who literally ape offense only in order to shift political tides?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6oOj7BzciA
All Burzum content now being deleted, with bans imposed, by Facebook. Looked this up when I saw 'nar marratuk' saying he'd had a couple of 24 hour bans over posts from years ago:
https://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=148791
October 31st... there's something significant about that date... is it April Fools Day?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 31, 2020, 06:00:57 PM
October 31st... there's something significant about that date... is it April Fools Day?
It's the new Christmas by the looks of it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 31, 2020, 05:29:50 PM
All Burzum content now being deleted, with bans imposed, by Facebook. Looked this up when I saw 'nar marratuk' saying he'd had a couple of 24 hour bans over posts from years ago:
https://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=148791
I just got 3 day ban for posting burzum stuff, well it might have been Fanisk that clinched it
I've attempted to post one of the instrumental songs from Burzum's new album once, haven't been banned but the post was taken down and I was put on "Allert status" for a year since. Absolutely unjustifiable...I had no tags, nothing, just a link. It reminds me of when Frank Zappa got the "Parental Advisory" sticker on his instrumental album "Rumble".
On a more serious note, Glenn Greenwald has announced his resignation from The Intercept after having his article criticising Biden censored by the news outlet. I wonder what he'd written, he's got a nose for big scandals. It will probably surface after the elections...
Whole interview with him on Joe Rogan up on youtube. The fuking Stazi are back.
Quote from: O Drighes on November 01, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
I've attempted to post one of the instrumental songs from Burzum's new album once, haven't been banned but the post was taken down and I was put on "Allert status" for a year since. Absolutely unjustifiable...I had no tags, nothing, just a link. It reminds me of when Frank Zappa got the "Parental Advisory" sticker on his instrumental album "Rumble".
On a more serious note, Glenn Greenwald has announced his resignation from The Intercept after having his article criticising Biden censored by the news outlet. I wonder what he'd written, he's got a nose for big scandals. It will probably surface after the elections...
He posted it: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored
and his resignation email back and forth:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-editors-showing
Doesn't do him any favours IMO.
I read that and while the editor seems very thought out in his review of the material, the simple fact is that he isn't allowing the article to see the light of day. Tonnes has been written about Trump, untold amounts of garbage, hyperbole, conflation, taking his words completely out of context...the list is endless. The article is looking to shine a light on very serious accusations, very shady dealings involving the son of quite possibly the next president. The 2 million dollar payments, his involvement with Russian and Chinese interest groups absolutely merit a light being shone on them and moreso by a, very much left leaning, investigative journalist. As it is, the story is stalled, Twitter pulling down a perfectly good story by the NY Post during the week...and it all raises the question why? Ok you might hate Trump(childish as that type of attitude is) but take him out of the equation for a minute..and that's the problem. Nothing can be looked at without the spectre of Trump looming over it, and that's a major issue. It deserves to be investigated properly but it's being supressed by all these interest groups..massively powerful corporations etc. There's something seriously wrong when so many resources are being directed in this way.
To be fair, even Tucker Carlson has started backing away from it..... It might just be nonsense :)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7qq2trfyVWJQAgPq5Pft3b?si=YzFqHXTvSIimhk973m5Uxw
For anybody who has Spotify, I'd recommend Sam Harris' new podcast episode, for an almost completely objective take on the election, the two candidates and the political climate over there at the moment.
Everything they say about Trump here is pretty much spot on in my opinion, and leaves little room for being of the opinion that he's any good whatsoever or worth defending when it comes to anything.
That's a little hyperbolic.
Fair enough, it probably was. But I agree with pretty much all of what the two lads are saying in that podcast and to me, it all sounded well argued and articulated.
Harris is very persuasive and not usually overtly partisan one way or the other, which is very, very rare when it comes to Trump.
Did you listen to any of it?
Listening now there. I'll report back.
Edit : Harris makes a few good points, but while talking about 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' claims that he is a malovelent sociopath and 'lies more than anyone else in human history', 'extreme pathological narcissist' and the rubbishing the 'hardcore' Trump supporters at the beginning is quite condescending. That kind of language is not defensible and is itself an example of what these two are accusing Trump of. Harris calls him obese, ugly, and insinuates his diet is poor and that his energy levels can't be natural. I do t understand what is so compelling about this kind of discourse.
The undeniable points that they make would be much better argued if they didn't seem to be consistently on the cusp of shrieking, particularly the host. 'He's like an extra-terrestrial, he's a cult leader, he forces people to accept his fantasies'. 'The man has never spent a moment in reflection or silence' This is all retarded.
'The things that make Hitler worse than Trump are actually virtues'? Seriously? That's a very, very daft remark.
'Having Trump as president is like having a mentally ill person in a family. Over time everybody becomes mentally ill'. What?😂😂😂 'I had clinical depression, it's like having a photo of the dear leader'😂😂🤣 This guy is an absolute moron.
I'll plough on for another bit but this is very painful listening for anyone who isn't already vehemently against Trump. So incredibly unbalanced and hyperbolic, and I don't believe they are arguing anything at all well.
I'm wondering how many of the small businesses owners and home owners & their families who had their properties and vehicles smashed up by ANTIFA and Burn Loot Murder will vote for Trump?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 30, 2020, 03:25:06 PM
Can we take a moment, in light of yesterday's latest chapter in the absurd Corbyn story, to have a pop at those who literally ape offense only in order to shift political tides?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6oOj7BzciA
This is the one I haven't been able to wrap my head around since it began.
It seems like there has just been a pile-on on Corbyn and everyone ran with it to get him out? I've read through a number of articles making allegations and to me it seems to be the most blatant load of absolute bullshit I've ever seen. Vague doesn't even begin to cover it.
Anyone with more knowledge on the situation want to explain it? I want to find out why I've got it wrong if so.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 30, 2020, 03:25:06 PM
Can we take a moment, in light of yesterday's latest chapter in the absurd Corbyn story, to have a pop at those who literally ape offense only in order to shift political tides?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6oOj7BzciA
Ah. He must be a self- hating Jew, just like Bernie and Finkelstein.
It's all the same thing. The Corbyn character assassination is no different to the Trump assasssination. Whatever way you lean politically, whatever you think of either personally, in an age where bullying has supposedly become a hangable offence, it's actually worse it's become. Grown adults having hissy fits and throwing their toys out of the pram about public figures, it's pathetic. Is it because we all feel like we have no power over our lives or what is it? We used be able to blame the divil for everything wrong in our lives, I suppose something had to fill the vacuum. Sad stuff.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 02, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
It's all the same thing. The Corbyn character assassination is no different to the Trump assasssination. Whatever way you lean politically, whatever you think of either personally, in an age where bullying has supposedly become a hangable offence, it's actually worse it's become. Grown adults having hissy fits and throwing their toys out of the pram about public figures, it's pathetic. Is it because we all feel like we have no power over our lives or what is it? We used be able to blame the divil for everything wrong in our lives, I suppose something had to fill the vacuum. Sad stuff.
It all boils down to social media imo
Quote from: Pedrito on November 02, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
It's all the same thing. The Corbyn character assassination is no different to the Trump assasssination. Whatever way you lean politically, whatever you think of either personally, in an age where bullying has supposedly become a hangable offence, it's actually worse it's become. Grown adults having hissy fits and throwing their toys out of the pram about public figures, it's pathetic. Is it because we all feel like we have no power over our lives or what is it? We used be able to blame the divil for everything wrong in our lives, I suppose something had to fill the vacuum. Sad stuff.
Well, it's a bit different, in the sense that in the large Trump's party have been behind him, whereas Corbyn's lynch mob contained as much Labour as it did Tory. Sanders would have been assassinated in the same across the board way had he been successful in his candidate bid.
That's not accurate. There is a lengthy list of republicans who do not support or endorse Trump, many are vocal in their opposition.
There is even a list on Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign
That's still a minority, still a collection of individuals. Corbyn had the Labour machine itself conspiring against his electoral campaign, in myriad ways. Stuff like the anti-Semitism thing, but also much more cogs level stuff like this:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-saw-inside-how-labour-staff-worked-prevent-labour-government/
Quote from: Pedrito on November 02, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
It's all the same thing. The Corbyn character assassination is no different to the Trump assasssination. Whatever way you lean politically, whatever you think of either personally, in an age where bullying has supposedly become a hangable offence, it's actually worse it's become. Grown adults having hissy fits and throwing their toys out of the pram about public figures, it's pathetic. Is it because we all feel like we have no power over our lives or what is it? We used be able to blame the divil for everything wrong in our lives, I suppose something had to fill the vacuum. Sad stuff.
...more say he rose again and joined the twitter army..
Those Ulster unionists, fine folk!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/uk-peer-sparks-outrage-after-calling-kamala-harris-the-indian
He's in fine form, when Varadkar was Taoiseach, he also referred to him as the Indian.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 09, 2020, 05:34:46 PM
Those Ulster unionists, fine folk!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/uk-peer-sparks-outrage-after-calling-kamala-harris-the-indian
Fuck me, you'd think he'd have a bit of common sense. He said he didn't know her name, what a pity he didn't have The internet to check when he was tweeting .
Suppose Obama was that negro in the white house
The first one, I believe.
Michael is some lad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wc1xeTUjW8
Quote from: Giggles on November 12, 2020, 08:49:38 PM
Michael is some lad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wc1xeTUjW8
He is indeed.
He's about as funny as a kick to the gonads of a testicular cancer patient.
Another cnut that needs a flogging.
Unfunniest lad alive..awful. Actually he's tied with that other geebag who does all the Dublin GAA stuff..Rory's stories is it? Cat
Quote from: Giggles on November 12, 2020, 08:49:38 PM
Michael is some lad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wc1xeTUjW8
I can't stand that spa. One of my buddies put him on, nearly shat himself laughing and I had no idea why. Ball of fuckin' shite.
He's from Galway (as am I), lives nearby because I see him around the place in that car often where I live. Maybe it's the west of Ireland humour that factors in a small bit whether people find him funny or not. The odd video I've got a laugh out of but it's gas to hear the polarising opinions on him as I've mates who can't fuckin' stand him either.
Deftones are cancelled! :laugh:
https://www.nme.com/news/music/deftones-guitarist-stephen-carpenter-believes-the-earth-is-flat-2815813
Fuckin hell.
I'd love to see Eddie Murphy do this type of stand up nowadays. He'd be arrested now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c1x0MBLKlrk
Dunno if this story will turn up in English somewhere, but a famous black French actor Omar Sy has been accused of racism for doing a sketch where he imitates black singer Aya Nakamura. He's being accused of playing to the court, i.e. leaning into clichés in order to make white people laugh. He was openly supportive of the French wing of BLM, built around a separate case here of a guy who died in police custody a few years ago.
https://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/omar-sy-accuse-de-racisme-apres-une-parodie-de-doudou-d-aya-nakamura-20201124
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 24, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Dunno if this story will turn up in English somewhere, but a famous black French actor Omar Sy has been accused of racism for doing a sketch where he imitates black singer Aya Nakamura. He's being accused of playing to the court, i.e. leaning into clichés in order to make white people laugh. He was openly supportive of the French wing of BLM, built around a separate case here of a guy who died in police custody a few years ago.
https://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/omar-sy-accuse-de-racisme-apres-une-parodie-de-doudou-d-aya-nakamura-20201124
I hope Aya Nakamura will react to this and back Omar. Although she has every right to be offended too, I would think.
It's the usual Twitter brigade being offended on Aya's behalf, isn't it? Is he getting so much flak that he'll be pulled from his job over it? Or even, bother from the law?
What's the racial/political climate over there like now after the jihad shenanigans a few weeks ago?
Nah, there'll be no official flak at all; it's not like some white producer is going to drop him...although, that would be peak woke!
Aya hasn't said anything herself yet.
So( :laugh:), if anything, it's good ol' publicity for our man Omar. Result!
Phuck sake hai.... is nothing sacred any more? Fuming here.... :abbath:
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/1124/1180237-carlow-school/
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2020, 08:25:43 PM
Phuck sake hai.... is nothing sacred any more? Fuming here.... :abbath:
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/1124/1180237-carlow-school/
There are so many facets to the wrongness there I'm almost blowing a wrong fuse trying to figure out what about it fries the head off me the most
The sentence that said that their tight clothes were distracting the teachers is a bit disturbing.
Poor girls. That's the fucking Catholic guilt in action right there.
Anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU9zZxvrAro
https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5bv3x/penguin-random-house-staff-confront-publisher-about-new-jordan-peterson-book
"During a tense town hall, staff cried and expressed dismay with the publishing giant's decision to publish 'Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life.'"
The mind boggles. Talk about embodying the cliché your adversary casts you as!
QuoteFour Penguin Random House Canada employees, who did not want to be named due to concerns over their employment
then...
Quote"I'm not proud to work for a company that publishes him," a junior employee who is a member of the LGBTQ community and who attended the town hall told VICE World News.
Well Boss, if you're such an advocate of Pride... oh wait, you were Just Following Orders... for money and personal security. No precedent for that in history whatsoever.
Maybe it's time we went back to burning books altogether for fear they might contain something we disagree with. Oh the hypocrisy is so strong I'm just going to Stonewall it all from here on in.
I've never read any of Peterson's work but I have to say I'm tempted now before it ceases to exist
The gas thing is there is nothing remotely alarming or sensational in his books :laugh:
I suppose that with Donald 'Literally Hitler' out of the White House the oul blue hairs need a new (old) target for their endless neurotic vitriol :-X
Quote from: astfgyl on November 25, 2020, 01:50:33 AM
I've never read any of Peterson's work but I have to say I'm tempted now before it ceases to exist
I've not drank in a good while now, but when I was regularly on the batter, I awoke one morning to find I had puked over the side of the bed, directly onto my copy of 12 Rules for Life. I'm not sure if there was some kind of symbolism in seeing "An Antidote to Chaos" covered in the previous nights semi digested kebab.
What I'm trying to say is, I have a spare copy if you want it.
Quote from: Bigmac on November 25, 2020, 09:54:50 AM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 25, 2020, 01:50:33 AM
I've never read any of Peterson's work but I have to say I'm tempted now before it ceases to exist
What I'm trying to say is, I have a spare copy if you want it.
But if ya take it off him, you'll have to clean it yourself. :abbath:
Quote from: Bigmac on November 25, 2020, 09:54:50 AM
What I'm trying to say is, I have a spare copy if you want it.
:laugh: :laugh:
McLove does a good cleaning service I believe. ;D
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2020, 08:25:43 PM
Phuck sake hai.... is nothing sacred any more? Fuming here.... :abbath:
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/1124/1180237-carlow-school/
Turns out it was a loada bollox. Girls were just asked to dress appropriately i.e. pe clothes not fashion contest attire.
Made the school out to be awful creeps. And us creeps need protecting.
QuoteOne parent said her daughter was told not to wear leggings or tight tracksuit bottoms
Leggings are acceptable sports gear no? Imagine how pissed off you'd be if your teachers were giving you shit for wearing tight clothes. It's not like they're walking around the school with their tits hanging out.
According to the discussion on the radio this morning, the school has a standard PE uniform and that was what the issue was about. The "male teachers" bit wasn't even in the original message - seems it was added later by someone wanting the story to blow up. Then he had some kid from the Secondary Students Union of Ireland (when the hell did they get unionised?) on and she was huffing and puffing about how this has been happening to women throughout history, spouting the usual cliches, and then when pressed on it, she hadn't even talked to any of the students in the school.
Any excuse to make another petition, I guess.
(//)
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3aza43/fans-tell-us-why-they-want-to-cover-up-their-harry-potter-tattoos
:laugh: cunts
Who the fuck gets a Harry Potter tattoo?
Quote from: Pedrito on November 26, 2020, 06:52:17 PM
:laugh: cunts
Who the fuck gets a Harry Potter tattoo?
I've actually got one 😂
Quote from: blessed1 on November 26, 2020, 07:04:41 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 26, 2020, 06:52:17 PM
:laugh: cunts
Who the fuck gets a Harry Potter tattoo?
I've actually got one 😂
I know a tattoo studio I'll be swerving next time I'm in Galway. :laugh:
I hope it's of Hermione's minge?
Harry Potter is class and anyone who doesn't think so can go fuck themselves 😁
I do enjoy Harry if I'm being honest. There's a reason it sold. The films are great too. Tattooing his face on the inside of my leg is where I draw the line though :laugh:
Teach your children feminism!
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/1123/1179902-how-to-teach-children-about-feminism/
Fuck off
:laugh:
Do yiz think it's a bad idea to have a discussion with children about gender roles?
Quotemen are becoming more aware of what it is like to be valued and evaluated on their appearance. 85% of patients of hair restoration procedures in 2020 were men according to the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery,
I think this is a pointless fucking statement. Of course 85% were men, because women generally don't go bald.
Yes it is a bad idea. Women are women and men are men. Fanny does some work better than you or I. Fanny also does other jobs very poorly because of fannys constitution.
I told my kid that his mothers attempts at lifting weights are futile and that SHES A CHOIRBOY COMPARED TO ME. A CHOIRBOY!
Can you give a better example of what you're talking about?
I don't agree with what you've said (or at least, my understanding of what you've said) and here's an example of my own:
A friend of mine works at an organic farm. One day there was a lot of digging to be done and when she volunteered to do it, the guy in charge looked at her and said "Nah, we usually leave the digging for the lads, there's work inside you can do that will be easier". She was having none of it so she grabbed a shovel and surprised them by showing that she was just as capable at shovelling shite than any of the lads there.
Now, whenever there's digging to be done, she's one of the first to be asked because "she's better than most of the other lads and she doesn't whinge and moan about it like they do".
So the lad in charge obviously had his own gender roles in mind: digging for the lads only cos the girls wouldn't be good at it. Or who knows, maybe his judgement could have been based on personal experience, maybe he had girls digging before and they weren't great at it? But still, isn't the whole point of feminism to give everybody an equal chance, regardless of their gender?
I'm curious if you've asked other women for their opinion about what they think about this kind of stuff being taught to kids?
Kids should be taught as few "ideologies" (i.e. as few -isms) as possible. Teach them about equality, teach them that a woman who's spent her life working the land could eat a gym boy for breakfast, teach them all that and more, just don't call it "feminism". Don't call it anything, just do it.
The wife cuts the grass. I'm all for equality.
Quote from: Giggles on November 29, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
I'm curious if you've asked other women for their opinion about what they think about this kind of stuff being taught to kids?
I highly doubt he has.
Agreed with what has been said above though. Seemed like the main point being made in that article makes basic sense i.e. teach kids about equality. Labelling it feminism in this context though seemed a bit off, but then again the missus and most of the female friends I have would say this is indeed the core idea of feminism in their mind.
Fanny makes dinner.
Quote from: Giggles on November 29, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Can you give a better example of what you're talking about?
I don't agree with what you've said (or at least, my understanding of what you've said) and here's an example of my own:
A friend of mine works at an organic farm. One day there was a lot of digging to be done and when she volunteered to do it, the guy in charge looked at her and said "Nah, we usually leave the digging for the lads, there's work inside you can do that will be easier". She was having none of it so she grabbed a shovel and surprised them by showing that she was just as capable at shovelling shite than any of the lads there.
Now, whenever there's digging to be done, she's one of the first to be asked because "she's better than most of the other lads and she doesn't whinge and moan about it like they do".
So the lad in charge obviously had his own gender roles in mind: digging for the lads only cos the girls wouldn't be good at it. Or who knows, maybe his judgement could have been based on personal experience, maybe he had girls digging before and they weren't great at it? But still, isn't the whole point of feminism to give everybody an equal chance, regardless of their gender?
I'm curious if you've asked other women for their opinion about what they think about this kind of stuff being taught to kids?
This is quite the made-up story.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 29, 2020, 12:30:35 PM
Kids should be taught as few "ideologies" (i.e. as few -isms) as possible. Teach them about equality, teach them that a woman who's spent her life working the land could eat a gym boy for breakfast, teach them all that and more, just don't call it "feminism". Don't call it anything, just do it.
Yeah that's pretty much it. Keep the radicalisation to a minimum and just teach kids how to accept that everyone is different in different ways and all have an equal chance to be good at something.
Let them know that the women's tennis needs to be 5 sets and that the women's football needs the rule change that prevents them from picking it straight up off the ground. (joking and not joking there but it still seems that equality doesn't quite equal equality)
Women's football is horrible. It's like camogie, nobody cares.
I'd have to have actually watched it to confirm but I'm aware of the rule difference. Also the young fella playing under 12s vs mixed teams and he isn't allowed to tackle the girls and they can pick it up off the ground but the boys have to rise it up proper so where is the equality in that or indeed the feminism? Well actually the feminism is there because they see fit to put them on an imaginary equal footing while also making it easier for them. Sort of like affirmative action. The whole equality thing is a mess, but anyone with a brain knows enough to treat the opposite sex with a bit of respect. In a lot of ways we were farther ahead 20 years ago than we are now
Quote from: Blackout on November 29, 2020, 05:11:07 PM
Quote from: Giggles on November 29, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Can you give a better example of what you're talking about?
I don't agree with what you've said (or at least, my understanding of what you've said) and here's an example of my own:
A friend of mine works at an organic farm. One day there was a lot of digging to be done and when she volunteered to do it, the guy in charge looked at her and said "Nah, we usually leave the digging for the lads, there's work inside you can do that will be easier". She was having none of it so she grabbed a shovel and surprised them by showing that she was just as capable at shovelling shite than any of the lads there.
Now, whenever there's digging to be done, she's one of the first to be asked because "she's better than most of the other lads and she doesn't whinge and moan about it like they do".
So the lad in charge obviously had his own gender roles in mind: digging for the lads only cos the girls wouldn't be good at it. Or who knows, maybe his judgement could have been based on personal experience, maybe he had girls digging before and they weren't great at it? But still, isn't the whole point of feminism to give everybody an equal chance, regardless of their gender?
I'm curious if you've asked other women for their opinion about what they think about this kind of stuff being taught to kids?
This is quite the made-up story.
I freely admit that the story as I have told it, was not written 100% word per word as it was told to me. It has been modified somewhat for the purpose of displaying it as easily digestible text on an internet forum, as opposed to the roundabout manner in which it was originally delivered to me. I hope it wasn't written too "story like" for you, and you still managed to understand the point of it, regardless of if you believe it or not.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 29, 2020, 10:15:22 PM
I'd have to have actually watched it to confirm but I'm aware of the rule difference. Also the young fella playing under 12s vs mixed teams and he isn't allowed to tackle the girls and they can pick it up off the ground but the boys have to rise it up proper so where is the equality in that or indeed the feminism? Well actually the feminism is there because they see fit to put them on an imaginary equal footing while also making it easier for them. Sort of like affirmative action. The whole equality thing is a mess, but anyone with a brain knows enough to treat the opposite sex with a bit of respect. In a lot of ways we were farther ahead 20 years ago than we are now
That does sound like a mess alright. Is it really necessary to have that ball rule for the girls? How can they ever be expected to do it properly if they simply don't have to? Are the girls allowed to tackle the lads? Or are the different genders just not allowed tackle each other?
No the girls can bust the lads if they are strong enough and all the parents cheer them for it, but if the young lad gives the shoulder the ref blows it up. I don't mind it tbh, it's funny seeing the young lads getting done but it sends a mixed message when the equality is forever being hammered into the kids.
Quote from: Blackout on November 29, 2020, 05:11:07 PM
Quote from: Giggles on November 29, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Can you give a better example of what you're talking about?
I don't agree with what you've said (or at least, my understanding of what you've said) and here's an example of my own:
A friend of mine works at an organic farm. One day there was a lot of digging to be done and when she volunteered to do it, the guy in charge looked at her and said "Nah, we usually leave the digging for the lads, there's work inside you can do that will be easier". She was having none of it so she grabbed a shovel and surprised them by showing that she was just as capable at shovelling shite than any of the lads there.
Now, whenever there's digging to be done, she's one of the first to be asked because "she's better than most of the other lads and she doesn't whinge and moan about it like they do".
So the lad in charge obviously had his own gender roles in mind: digging for the lads only cos the girls wouldn't be good at it. Or who knows, maybe his judgement could have been based on personal experience, maybe he had girls digging before and they weren't great at it? But still, isn't the whole point of feminism to give everybody an equal chance, regardless of their gender?
I'm curious if you've asked other women for their opinion about what they think about this kind of stuff being taught to kids?
This is quite the made-up story.
It's very believable, actually, especially the bit about her whinging less.
I've worked a lot of festivals where you'd have women in the crew in various roles and guess what? They were among the most capable on site, always, and did as much of the heavy lifting (I mean that literally) as any of the lads. Electricians, carpenters, riggers, engineers. Their gender had no bearing on their ability, which is the main message of that, however it's framed.
The "biological realist" arguments on these things are based on very shaky foundations tbh, as there seems to be a lot more variation between individuals than along any gender lines.
I would like to see real world studies that women in manual jobs would be more capable than a man based on physical traits as well as longevity. Its all very well saying biology is irrelevant but scientific evidence is always going to trump Anecdotal.
Neither of us have stated that women are hands down more capable than men at manual labour.
If it makes my story any easier for you to believe, I can point out that they were all volunteers who work the odd day every couple of weeks. It's not like she went in, grabbed a shovel and suddenly outbested a bunch of lads who do it for a living. But that's all irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
I have no doubt that on paper, men come out on top in these situations.
I'm just saying in terms of real-world application, I haven't seen it actually making much of a difference to the job at hand and I think it's funny that you jump to the conclusion that there's no way a woman could possibly be outperforming a man and so that must be made up.
I said I require scientific evidence uninfluenced by ideology. Your evidence - whether you like it or not - is anecdotal.
Your 'requirement' is a bit of a strawman argument though that nobody was getting into here. You didn't believe a guys story about his mate, then made it about scientific evidence after another lad backed his example up with another.
Yung Zeppelin summed it up in everything he said there, particularly:
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on November 30, 2020, 02:08:56 PM
I have no doubt that on paper, men come out on top in these situations.
I'm just saying in terms of real-world application, I haven't seen it actually making much of a difference to the job at hand.
and...
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on November 30, 2020, 02:08:56 PM
it's funny that you jump to the conclusion that there's no way a woman could possibly be outperforming a man and so that must be made up.
Which you did.
The subject was regarding manual labour jobs. At no stage did I say there was no way a woman could outperform a man at anything.
Steve Hughes (slaughter Lord, mortal sin, nazxul) on triggernometry. A show I've only dipped in to occasionally but liked whatever I've heard.
https://youtu.be/0Mqh38JlrP4
Plenty of metal references as well as the usual straight ahead woke slaughter!
Ex Footballer Dion Dublin is a retard. He said this today to the BBC after Millwall fans booed the kneeling down shite-
'They don't agree with taking the knee, which means they are racist. They don't agree with Black Lives Matter; that says they are racist to me.'
What a spastic.
He was always a gimp.
It's laughable all these goons calling for the fans to be banned for BOOING.
Yeah but hauld on Kev now, ye can't be booing a solemn and sincere show of solidarity like thon.
It's hardly surprising outta Milwall fans either. Another set of goons.
This endless obsession with race is so unhealthy. It's a backwards step.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 05, 2020, 06:24:54 PM
Ex Footballer Dion Dublin is a retard. He said this today to the BBC after Millwall fans booed the kneeling down shite-
'They don't agree with taking the knee, which means they are racist. They don't agree with Black Lives Matter; that says they are racist to me.'
What a spastic.
Ah jaysus did he actually say that and does he not realise if he did say it that he is probably 10 times more racist than the lads he is condemning?
I thought it was a touch of class from the Millwall fans. Looking around twitter I see a good few black people agreeing with them too.
The Dahl family have come out and apologised for remarks made by the man himself in 1983. "There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity, maybe it's a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews."
The poor Jews get an awful doing.
Cancel the cunt, tear up all his books, find any statues or waxworks of him and tear them down, ban all films based on his works and deny he ever existed from here on in. That should be a reasonable enough response. Then 20 minutes taking the knee to remind ourselves how virtuous we are.
Forced apologies on behalf of dead people for relatively meek comments taken totally out of context and era.
Amazing
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 06, 2020, 05:19:58 PM
Forced apologies on behalf of dead people for relatively meek comments taken totally out of context and era.
Not quite sure how 1983 and 1990 can be "out of era" for the comments in question...? From what I read this morning (albeit in passing), the apologies, for what they are, were slipped into backpages on the official website, but have been amplified to front and centre by the media.
1983 and 2020 are clearly different eras, and those remarks would barely have raised an eyebrow at the time, which you know perfectly well.
No obstante, and regardless of where they were 'slipped in', only a committed Stalinist re-education advocate like vous would try to explain this shite away.
Why have Jews always had a hard time? Is it the Jesus thing? They Shylock stereotype? Or the weird hairdos?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 06, 2020, 05:45:03 PM
1983 and 2020 are clearly different eras, and those remarks would barely have raised an eyebrow at the time, which you know perfectly well.
Statements are from 1983 and 1990, but in either case this just isn't true. Those remarks would have and did raise eyebrows at the time. He was, in fact, asked himself to apologize for the remarks, but refused. Which is his right, and takes nothing away from his works.
There's nothing being "explained away", but it simply is true that anti-semitic remarks have been considered beyond the pale for a very long time, especially in the UK and US.
They are wildly different eras in the sense that communist style show trials by social media are an almost daily event now, and even the dead aren't safe from the mob. Do you think they'll dig up Martin McGuinness' bones soon and string him up á la Cromwell in 1660 until he apologises for the dodgy stuff he came out with in 1985? They might.
You simply cannot compare this bloodthirsty hysteria to the early 80's. I'm not saying prejudice was accepted or acceptable but by and large, people had what they and I considered to be more important on their minds and to deal with than a vaguely 'offensive' comment. It was the commies who shuffled you out in front of a camera, pointing guns at you until you apologised, not the free world.
Unfortunately with all the pansies and crybabies with media to socialise and virtue to signal in 2020, that's no longer the case.
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2020, 06:05:13 PM
Why have Jews always had a hard time? Is it the Jesus thing? They Shylock stereotype? Or the weird hairdos?
Being successful in business and flourishing in Europe bred envy, resentment and eventually hatred. The killing Jesus didn't help, of course.
The Spanish crown borrowed heavily from them in the 1490's and instead of paying them back, just fucked them all out of the country. There are even worse examples from earlier in European history, and of course, the later atrocities we all know about.
Just stupid....if he was still alive his reaction would probably be suck my dick..its my view so fuck you....so what's the point in apologising on his behalf?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 06, 2020, 06:28:37 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2020, 06:05:13 PM
Why have Jews always had a hard time? Is it the Jesus thing? They Shylock stereotype? Or the weird hairdos?
Being successful in business and flourishing in Europe bred envy, resentment and eventually hatred.
I thought there would have to have been more than that to it, without actually having gone and researched the area myself. Seems a silly reason. I mean, they don't go around beheading folk.
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
The Dahl family have come out and apologised for remarks made by the man himself in 1983. "There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity, maybe it's a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews."
The poor Jews get an awful doing.
You left out the next sentence of that quote, which would fairly amp up the controversy of it I reckon for many.
"... I mean, there's always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker like Hitler didn't just pick on them for no reason."
Edit: double post
Quote from: Nazgûl on December 06, 2020, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 06, 2020, 01:28:08 PM
The Dahl family have come out and apologised for remarks made by the man himself in 1983. "There is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity, maybe it's a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews."
The poor Jews get an awful doing.
You left out the next sentence of that quote.
"... I mean, there's always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker like Hitler didn't just pick on them for no reason."
I did, because anything Hitler/Jew related is too obvious.
Quote from: The Heretic on December 06, 2020, 06:32:24 PM
so what's the point in apologising on his behalf?
I'm guessing money,
Wasn't Enid Blyton a bit racist too apparently? Loved those books as a kid.
Quote from: Blackout on December 06, 2020, 08:40:06 PM
Wasn't Enid Blyton a bit racist too apparently? Loved those books as a kid.
I did too, and I remember my auld lad telling me she hated kids. Maybe he said yids, who knows?
Orwell didn't like the shirt lifters either.
Who gives a shit?
Quote from: Blackout on December 06, 2020, 08:40:06 PM
Wasn't Enid Blyton a bit racist too apparently? Loved those books as a kid.
She was. And work "cleaning up" her children's books began in the 1980s.
A lot of the revisions were chucked as they didn't sell.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 06, 2020, 09:17:33 PM
Quote from: Blackout on December 06, 2020, 08:40:06 PM
Wasn't Enid Blyton a bit racist too apparently? Loved those books as a kid.
She was. And work "cleaning up" her children's books began in the 1980s.
Damn I should have kept mine because my gran gave me hers and I'd say she had bought them way before the 80s. Might be worth something now.
Haha! I have an Enid Blyton gollywogs book on the shelf. Don't tell or I'll be cancelled. I'd best just hide it behind Mein Kampf.
Quote from: Scáthach on December 06, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
Haha! I have an Enid Blyton gollywogs book on the shelf. Don't tell or I'll be cancelled. I'd best just hide it behind Mein Kampf.
Just apologise to the twitterati. Be grand
Loved a bit of Eynid when I was a kid too. Never picked up on anything except they were all a bit posh espically peter from the secret seven who deserved to get his head put through a wall.
Five find outers where her best group. Could have kicked the shit out of the famous five and secret seven at the same time.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 06, 2020, 06:21:42 PM
It was the commies who shuffled you out in front of a camera, pointing guns at you until you apologised, not the free world.
Have to say, I am constantly bemused by the cognitive dissonance that must be at play every time you - a self-identified right-wing conservative, resident in what was a full-on right-wing conservative dictatorship until the late 70s - turn to the commies as your illustration of censorship!
Lads, I can't keep up. Who's winning, Commie Chris or the Mexican Fuhrer??
Che versus Pinochet!
1975 isn't technically the late 70's.
I was including transition; there wasn't an election until 1977.
Splitting hairs, your signature dish!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 07, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
Splitting hairs, your signature dish!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 07, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
1975 isn't technically the late 70's.
Not seeing the plank in your own eye, yours! ;)
Yeah but what I said was fair enough though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 07, 2020, 01:21:59 PM
Yeah but what I said was fair enough though.
:laugh:
Spain wasn't part of the "free world" until it had a) re-legalized free political association (1977), and then b) actually held a free and fair election (later in 1977). That's why I had 1977 in mind when I said "late seventies", but if you prefer, I'll say "mid-seventies" instead to mark the actual day when Franco died and the nation apparently transitioned overnight to being El Dorado! :abbath:
Quote from: Scáthach on December 06, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
Haha! I have an Enid Blyton gollywogs book on the shelf. Don't tell or I'll be cancelled. I'd best just hide it behind Mein Kampf.
George, the main character inthe Famous Five was a girl who preferred to be a boy. She was as woke a character as any you'll ever read.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 07, 2020, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 07, 2020, 01:21:59 PM
Yeah but what I said was fair enough though.
:laugh:
Spain wasn't part of the "free world" until it had a) re-legalized free political association (1977), and then b) actually held a free and fair election (later in 1977). That's why I had 1977 in mind when I said "late seventies", but if you prefer, I'll say "mid-seventies" instead to mark the actual day when Franco died and the nation apparently transitioned overnight to being El Dorado! :abbath:
Yeah that's all true but they weren't re-educating people or all that other nefarious commie carry-on at that stage. It was obligatory for women born before his death to have the prefix Maria on their Christian names though. Oppression of a sort, but would you rather have been a citizen of Franco's authoritarian regime (which you could leave) or Big Brezhnev's workers paradise (which you couldn't leave)?
Quote from: Pedrito on December 07, 2020, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Scáthach on December 06, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
Haha! I have an Enid Blyton gollywogs book on the shelf. Don't tell or I'll be cancelled. I'd best just hide it behind Mein Kampf.
George, the main character inthe Famous Five was a girl who preferred to be a boy. She was as woke a character as any you'll ever read.
But what was her/his pronouns?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on December 07, 2020, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on December 07, 2020, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Scáthach on December 06, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
Haha! I have an Enid Blyton gollywogs book on the shelf. Don't tell or I'll be cancelled. I'd best just hide it behind Mein Kampf.
George, the main character inthe Famous Five was a girl who preferred to be a boy. She was as woke a character as any you'll ever read.
But what was her/his pronouns?
Not sure ahe had any, think she was just a carpet licker tbh
Who was it that said......
THERE'S 33 GENDERS...........
MEN WOMEN AND 31 TYPES OF QUEERS.......
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quare amount of Queers alright
Can Commie Chris confirm this..?
Quote from: Pedrito on December 07, 2020, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Scáthach on December 06, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
Haha! I have an Enid Blyton gollywogs book on the shelf. Don't tell or I'll be cancelled. I'd best just hide it behind Mein Kampf.
George, the main character inthe Famous Five was a girl who preferred to be a boy. She was as woke a character as any you'll ever read.
Plus, Timmy who self-identified as a canine, and his/her/its friends never once kink-shamed. Very woke indeed. :laugh:
This Hungarian politician identified as anti LGBTQ, but he has now resigned after being caught at a 25 man orgy during lockdown :abbath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtdl7KI3X9o&t=1s
Quote from: Giggles on December 07, 2020, 11:46:44 PM
This Hungarian politician identified as anti LGBTQ, but he has now resigned after being caught at a 25 man orgy during lockdown :abbath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtdl7KI3X9o&t=1s
In fairness, a 25 man orgy would be some craic.
My 19yo niece started university last year. She was telling me there was students going around introducing themselves like, " Hello, my name is John, my pronouns are he, she and it.".
I told her if John introduced himself like that in my day his adjectives would be battered, bruised and burst.
She thought I was joking.
I'm too old for this shit.
Did you go to the university of hard knocks?
The same principal as wearing red or white or any colour apart from black boots when I played soccer or hurling was grounds for an ankle cruncher or snakey pull.
Only fags wear black boots now it seems. Or homophobes, I dunno, it's all very confusing.
Jon Bon Jovi is the latest one to cop out and make a balls of Fairytale Of New York:
QuoteThe original verse, written by Shane MacGowan and Kirsty MacColl reads:
"You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old sl*t on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy faggot
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last."
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But Bon Jovi has changed it to:
"You're a bum, you're a braggart
You've lost all your swagger
And the word around town is you ain't much in bed
You're a squirrel cause you're nuts
You're a kick in the gut
Happy Christmas, my arse
I'll be glad it's our last."
I thought the Ronan Keating version was bad.
Oh dear. Someone give Jon back his dentures...
Jesus wept. Bon Jovi covering it word-for-word would have been bad enough.
In a similar vein - this retrospectively reviewing films etc. with modern day lenses. Some woke fucker of a critic online reviewed the BluRay release of "Freebie & The Bean" and stated that if it wasn't for all the racial epithets in the film that it might be good and, as such, it should not have been re-released for modern-day consumption without dialogue edits. It was made in 1974 for fuck sake (not to mention that it's an excellent movie).
What pisses me off most (and this may already be covered in the thread) is the selective nature of this cancel culture. If you're going to call out one thing then you have to call out everything. You can't sit there smugly taking pot shots at Ryan Adams or whoever finds themselves currently in the height of shit (Chris D'Elia maybe?) for their past indiscretions and yet in the same breath call Jimmy Page "a hero" - which a friend of mine did recently.
Bowie is another one. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of the Thin White Duke but a cursory scanning of his (and Page's) late 1960s/early to mid 1970s life will leave you with some difficult questions to ask yourself.
Or you know, just gloss over that bit and wear your Aladdin Sane shirt to the next protest march.
Don't worry, the hardcore woke have long since thrown Page, Bowie, and anyone else you used to think protected up on the same pyre with the likes of our good friend Sutcliffe.
Hardcore woke :laugh:
You mean half the picks on the internet... :laugh:
The empty vessel woke crowd haven't called out Bowie etc, if they had, we'd ALL have heard it. Jaysus, there'd be no avoiding it sher.
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 09, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
The empty vessel woke crowd haven't called out Bowie etc, if they had, we'd ALL have heard it. Jaysus, there'd be no avoiding it sher.
Actually Bowie has been called out a bit about relationships with minors in the 70's. Just saying.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 09, 2020, 12:25:01 PM
The same principal as wearing red or white or any colour apart from black boots when I played soccer or hurling was grounds for an ankle cruncher or snakey pull.
Only fags wear black boots now it seems. Or homophobes, I dunno, it's all very confusing.
I was the first on my team to play in white boots. The white Adidas predators. And as you said every spud picking cunt in mayo tried to give me a snakey hit. I loved it though. Made me play better knowing some prick was out to get me.
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 09, 2020, 03:27:00 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 09, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
The empty vessel woke crowd haven't called out Bowie etc, if they had, we'd ALL have heard it. Jaysus, there'd be no avoiding it sher.
Actually Bowie has been called out a bit about relationships with minors in the 70's. Just saying.
Not by the baying hordes, though. Nor would they anyway, as he veered pretty closely sexually to the LGB crowd.
You'll be cancelled for leaving the T out of that acronym Eoin lad, even though it doesn't belong there.
I don't even entertain that nonsense as they keep adding letters.
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 09, 2020, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 09, 2020, 12:25:01 PM
The same principal as wearing red or white or any colour apart from black boots when I played soccer or hurling was grounds for an ankle cruncher or snakey pull.
Only fags wear black boots now it seems. Or homophobes, I dunno, it's all very confusing.
I was the first on my team to play in white boots. The white Adidas predators. And as you said every spud picking cunt in mayo tried to give me a snakey hit. I loved it though. Made me play better knowing some prick was out to get me.
Soccer might have been slightly more forgiving but any kind of pony tails or coloured boots on a GAA pitch in the 90's was basically hanging a sign on yourself saying 'I'm a homosexual, please assault me'.
My GAA club used to have a sign stating 'no coloured boots, no frosted hair'. Amazing.
Pink and blue boots used to bug the shit out of me just watching on the telly,I've come to the conclusion that life's too short!
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 09, 2020, 04:24:51 PM
I don't even entertain that nonsense as they keep adding letters.
I've also seen them adding numbers too.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 09, 2020, 04:27:28 PM
Soccer might have been slightly more forgiving but any kind of pony tails or coloured boots on a GAA pitch in the 90's was basically hanging a sign on yourself saying 'I'm a homosexual, please assault me'.
My GAA club used to have a sign stating 'no coloured boots, no frosted hair'. Amazing.
Pink and blue boots used to bug the shit out of me just watching on the telly,I've come to the conclusion that life's too short!
I had long-ish hair when I played schools and club hurling back in the 1990s. Combined with my nascent beard and a paunch that has been hanging off me since I was about 11, it looked like "LA Woman" era Jim Morrison badly reincarnated to take 45s on a pissing rain Wednesday afternoon down in some provincial school pitch.
I never got any hassle for it, but this was back before helmets were compulsory so any lad in a Cooper or Mycro helmet would have to think twice about calling someone with long hair a queer. They'd end up with a permanent centre parting - helmet or no fuckin' helmet.
The only bit of slagging I ever did get was from one of the lads who coached the club I played for. He used to make the same joke every week; "The camogie team trains in the hall, love". Every week, sometimes twice a week.
His wife was having an affair with an 18 year old glass collector who worked in the club bar and he himself got caught trying to rob the bingo money so I didn't really get too upset about it.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on December 09, 2020, 05:09:17 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 09, 2020, 04:27:28 PM
His wife was having an affair with an 18 year old glass collector who worked in the club bar and he himself got caught trying to rob the bingo money so I didn't really get too upset about it.
If ever a paragraph summed up small town Ireland that's it right there 😂
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 09, 2020, 04:27:28 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 09, 2020, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 09, 2020, 12:25:01 PM
The same principal as wearing red or white or any colour apart from black boots when I played soccer or hurling was grounds for an ankle cruncher or snakey pull.
Only fags wear black boots now it seems. Or homophobes, I dunno, it's all very confusing.
I was the first on my team to play in white boots. The white Adidas predators. And as you said every spud picking cunt in mayo tried to give me a snakey hit. I loved it though. Made me play better knowing some prick was out to get me.
Soccer might have been slightly more forgiving but any kind of pony tails or coloured boots on a GAA pitch in the 90's was basically hanging a sign on yourself saying 'I'm a homosexual, please assault me'.
I played soccer, football and hurling (yes hurling exists in mayo, standard was shyte and I used to play during the summer for ardfinnan in tipp as the ould lads from there so was miles ahead of mayo people) in the 90's.
I got dogs abuse every training session and every game. Fucking queer, homo, hippie, cut your hair etc etc. Didn't faze me one bit. You learn to give it back. If someone said "Cut your hair ya ___________" I'd go "I'm still waiting for your old lady to come round and cut it, its being fucking weeks. I must have fucked her too hard last time". I'd love to be 12 and do it all again.
I did not have long hair as a young fella, but I do remember getting loads of slagging over a surfing t shirt I had at training once, rip curl or something, I think it belonged to my brother. I was bemused at all the 'surfing USA' stuff at first, I had no idea it was even a surf brand. And the first lad to turn up with red boots? Jaysus he got called all kinds of queers for the entire session, and he was a big boy aswell. Those hot shoes were quickly retired :)
JBJ: you are a wanker of the highest proportions...
https://youtu.be/KB9vvxYocW0
Absolute trash.
More AOR I would say....
I like it. It sounds really authentic.
Ah yeah I'm only slagging it's fairly deadly now to be fair.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 10, 2020, 08:08:18 AM
JBJ: you are a wanker of the highest proportions...
https://youtu.be/KB9vvxYocW0
Wtf. Just....WTF.
I'm offended by all of the easily offended people. What a circle of shit. I wish I felt more zen about it all.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 10, 2020, 08:08:18 AM
JBJ: you are a wanker of the highest proportions...
https://youtu.be/KB9vvxYocW0
https://www.irishpost.com/entertainment/the-pogues-agree-bon-jovis-fairytale-of-new-york-cover-is-the-worst-thing-to-ever-happen-music-199681
The PSG and Istanbul players walking off the pitch because the match official referred to some black coach as 'the black guy' and it being plastered all over the BBC, non-stop interviews with him, calling it a 'historic moment in the fight against racism'.
Because he was called 'the black guy'. No epithets, no abuse, 'the black guy'. What should the official have said?
Welcome to Dystopia my friends.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 12, 2020, 05:55:33 AM
The PSG and Istanbul players walking off the pitch because the match official referred to some black coach as ‘the black guy’ and it being plastered all over the BBC, non-stop interviews with him, calling it a ‘historic moment in the fight against racism’.
Because he was called ‘the black guy’. No epithets, no abuse, ‘the black guy’. What should the official have said?
Welcome to Dystopia my friends.
I dunno man, how about calling him by his bloody name? How's that for a wild stab in the dark. Learn people's names is the moral here really.
Ya, I think in this case it was poor judgement out of the 4th official. Even if he didn't know his name, he'd surely have known he was an assistant coach. You can get crucified for poor judgement these days, of course.
My initial reaction would be that it sounds like poor judgement too, although John Barnes had this to say on the matter (a man who experienced a lot of racism during his own career):
"Barnes wrote: "Its NOT racist to describe the offender as the black one! We are telling people to call us black ... he doesn't know his name, there are 6/7 coaches standing together all Turkish ... 1 is to be sent off, the ref says which one THE BLACK ONE what else can he say to let the ref know? Why can't you describe a black man as being a black man?"
He added further context to it too by rejecting the claim that the official could have simply pointed him out, given there was 6 coaches, 15 feet away all wearing the same tracksuit.
John Barnes has always come across as well -spoken and sensible so if that was his take on it, I'd fully agree with him.
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on December 12, 2020, 11:57:54 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 12, 2020, 05:55:33 AM
The PSG and Istanbul players walking off the pitch because the match official referred to some black coach as 'the black guy' and it being plastered all over the BBC, non-stop interviews with him, calling it a 'historic moment in the fight against racism'.
Because he was called 'the black guy'. No epithets, no abuse, 'the black guy'. What should the official have said?
Welcome to Dystopia my friends.
I dunno man, how about calling him by his bloody name? How's that for a wild stab in the dark. Learn people's names is the moral here really.
I doubt very much he knew the lads name. I am a football fan for 30 years and I've never heard of him.
In any case, totally infantile to walk off the pitch, ridiculous. Nothing remotely racist was uttered.
Yeah I don't see the racism here,. I see it in the same context as referring to somebody as "the ginger haired lad" or "yer wan with the blue top". Purely for identification purposes, no hateful motive involved.
The "n word" in French is "nègre", which I guess "negru" sounds very close to. That's probably what kicked things off and then they absolutely got blown out of proportion. It's being said now that the black fella in question was collectively referring to the arbiters (all Romanian) as "gitans" (gypsies) from the beginning of the match, which is a clear slight.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 12, 2020, 03:39:20 PM
The "n word" in French is "nègre", which I guess "negru" sounds very close to. That's probably what kicked things off and then they absolutely got blown out of proportion. It's being said now that the black fella in question was collectively referring to the arbiters (all Romanian) as "gitans" (gypsies) from the beginning of the match, which is a clear slight.
Oh my gawd! Did you just use the
B word?
I noticed that myself, the veneer is slipping!
If they were speaking French, then yeah it might have been construed like that initially, but it's been made clear that he said 'the black guy', nothing more. How the players walking off like a bunch of virtue signalling pansies is being labelled a 'historic moment in the fight against racism' (BBC headline, of course) is a complete slap in the face to actual victims of racism.
And as for all the fagets and crybabies condemning the Millwall fans for being sick to the back teeth of a quasi-religious ritual at their fucking football stadium week after week after week , je dis le meme chose, putain.
The level of silliness all round is breathtaking. What was wrong with the Kick it Out campaign was it too inclusive or something?
"That lad there"
"Which lad?"
"The lad with the nostrils wider than the other lads"
"What lad?"
"The lad who has hands with palms that are paler than the backs"
"Which lad?"
"The lad who seems to have very white teeth and eyes"
"What lad?"
"The black lad"
"You racist cunt"
I was having a bit of fun with some other parents at the young fella's hurling games during the year. There's a young Nigerian fella up front and I kept describing what a great game he had but describing him in every possible way that didn't mention he was black. I'd say "that big fella up front had a great game" or "the fella from (name of estate) played out of his skin" or "The tall lad did really well up front" and every one of the other parents hadn't the foggiest who I was on about until I said the black lad and then they'd be like "oh right, yeah he did" but they would all have a sort of guilty look about them.
Good fun.
They get paid the equivalent of a house that most middle class people break their backs trying to pay off all their lives, every fucking week, and they're too soft to be called the 'black lad' or the blue lad or the blonde lad or the potato head Irish lad..shower of cunts. The privilege of it it all would turn your stomach.
Only Fools and Horses...... 8)
https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/lifestyle-opinion/i-watched-only-fools-horses-19429327
"I was approximately 30 seconds into the episode when I gave up hope"
Sums up the attention span of most people nowadays unfortunately....
Sounds like a wan who needs her arse pinched.
How do these types get anything done, I wonder.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 14, 2020, 06:44:57 PM
How do these types get anything done, I wonder.
Well, just take a look at what they consider to be something to do!
I hope nobody paid her for that vacuous shite.
Great auld show, I always watch a few episodes at the Christmas. The episode she's referring to, I hope its the one where Rodney has the Chinese girlfriend who Del calls 'Shanghai Lil' (😂😂😂😂😂), and I hope her face scrunched up accordingly, the daft lesbian.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 14, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 14, 2020, 06:44:57 PM
How do these types get anything done, I wonder.
Well, just take a look at what they consider to be something to do!
Indeed. I had that very thought. Maybe what I should have said was, how do these types get paid!
Wonder what she would make of the spike milligan sit com Curry and chips?
The first line is a factory worker talking about daylight saving and said if they send a few wogs back to Africa they'd save an hour.
Also remember the line " I would never call a wog a coon"
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 14, 2020, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 14, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 14, 2020, 06:44:57 PM
How do these types get anything done, I wonder.
Well, just take a look at what they consider to be something to do!
Indeed. I had that very thought. Maybe what I should have said was, how do these types get paid!
Ad revenue driven by clicks due to people sharing their articles on metal forums? :)
Touché!
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on December 14, 2020, 08:37:21 PM
Wonder what she would make of the spike milligan sit com Curry and chips?
The first line is a factory worker talking about daylight saving and said if they send a few wogs back to Africa they'd save an hour.
Also remember the line " I would never call a wog a coon"
Amateur league compared to Love Thy Neighbour:
https://youtu.be/B1dakp4FT0w
Had the radio on tonight and they'd actually edited Johnny Mathis - When a Child is born!!
It jumped from
"Waiting for one child"
to
"but a child that will grow up and turn tears to laughter,"
Removing the line
"black, white, yellow, no-one knows"
Unreal!!
When I was in secondary school UK Gold used to show "Love Thy Neighbour" intact at about 2pm in the day. It had a warning at the start but they left all the comments in it. It wasn't a particularly funny show unlike "Till Death Us Do Part" which Johnny Speight satirised racism with humour.
It is unfortunate that the people it was taking the piss out of held it and the main character, Alf Garnett, as torch bearers for a voice of reason in a world gone mad. Much like Harry Enfield's Loadsamoney and yuppies.
Sickened
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55330297
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 16, 2020, 01:23:05 PM
Sickened
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55330297
She's got that 'look' alright.
So it looks like the Blanch incident yesterday will continue our adoption of US style outrage and identity politics.
Bad state of affairs when even the gangsters are already moving out of Blanch.
Quote from: ldj on December 31, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
So it looks like the Blanch incident yesterday will continue our adoption of US style outrage and identity politics.
Well put!
What's this now? Why such an aversion to links!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/video-of-fatal-garda-shooting-of-man-in-front-garden-of-dublin-house-to-be-examined-1.4447683
He robbed or attempted to Rob a shop at knife point and then went on a 5 hour standoff with the armed Garda unit before lunging at them from what I believe.
Dozens of videos on social media today of hundreds of black youths/adults protesting and smashing some shit up, including a Dublin bus driving on the road.
Just like George Floyd shit but in windy wet West Dublin.
Knife in his hand, fuck him. Fair game.
I see the 'he was troubled/had mental health issues' bollocks has already been trotted out.
I lived out in West Dublin for a good while and it's depressing at the best of times. Great to hear our ghettoisation projects have worked so well. Who would have thought a complete lack of any foresight, planning and following EU directives to the letter would have led to gangs of 2nd generation kids pulling place to bits. As if it wasn't bad enough with a rare breed of local bred scumbags to contend with.
Videos going around of the 'protestors' kicking the shit out of passersby too.
https://streamable.com/6qwvzw
Fuck sake. It was only a matter of time before the ghetto project that was the celtic tiger came back to bite us. Pushing thousands of immigrants into areas that have nothing but houses was always going to result in disaster and now the bullshit begins.
It's actually amazing how the same method of shoving thousands of people out to suburban wastelands yields the same results on both sides of the Atlantic. Who'd have thunk it?
Imagine thousands of disenfranchised people trying to express their anger at their lot by banding together against the first available target. Sure it's definitely all about the lad who got shot isn't it
Well we had plenty warning from the UK and the dickheads runing the place thought they knew better as usual. Add to that every second twat trying to make a quick buck during the CEltic Tiger. Arrogance, hubris or just plain old being fucking thick. It's not the ordinary joe that wanted it though, forced upon us.
It's actually nuts how many times that tiger has come back and bitten us in the hole. Bitten everyone except those responsible. We use them to govern us as their punishment.
This shit has travelled from the US all of the way to our own doorsteps and we are too apathetic as a country to do anything about it. It won't be long until gun crime becomes very prevelant here.
Quote from: Blackout on December 31, 2020, 05:08:46 PM
This shit has travelled from the US all of the way to our own doorsteps and we are too apathetic as a country to do anything about it. It won't be long until gun crime becomes very prevelant here.
Yep, this shit happing now will invariably lead to the quickening of the Guards being armed.
Imagine, all those years with the Paramilitaries and whatnot, and it's this shit that will lead to an armed police force in this country.
Quote from: astfgyl on December 31, 2020, 04:42:30 PM
It's actually amazing how the same method of shoving thousands of people out to suburban wastelands yields the same results on both sides of the Atlantic. Who'd have thunk it?
Imagine thousands of disenfranchised people trying to express their anger at their lot by banding together against the first available target. Sure it's definitely all about the lad who got shot isn't it
It's not a matter of racism or systemic racism though. More likely a predictable and regrettable side effect of Ireland's culture of low level government corruption and white collar crime in general.
Having black people protesting about racist guards is at best ludicrous and laughable and at worst is likely to create more problems without solving any of the actual existing ones. In my view, at least.
I guess it's also a case of precedent. There have been less than a dozen shooting fatalities by gardai response units over the last 30 years or so, most of which - from what I can gather - involved a firearm-holding target or a target accompanying a firearm-holding target. In other words, while this shooting in Blanchardstown may not be entirely unprecedented (don't know where you'd find the data to definitively confirm), the historical norm for gardai response units when dealing with situations like this has not been fatal shootings. You can't actually draw any real meaningful conclusions from such low numbers, but looking at things with a hot head you can end up at, "white criminals only get shot when they have guns, this black guy got shot even though he only had a knife."
White guys generally drop their knives when there's a shitload of guns pointed at them.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 31, 2020, 06:59:28 PM
White guys generally drop their knives when there's a shitload of guns pointed at them.
You could almost say you'd have to be mad not to!
He slashed the person in the Spar. Attackd someone else. 90 minutes standoff with the guards asking him to drop his weapon and they shot him when he lunged at a Ban Garda. Beat his missus in the face with a hammer and attacked an elderly woman in the street all in the last few weeks. They couldn't shoot the cunt enough times.
Quote from: Pedrito on December 31, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
He slashed the person in the Spar. Attackd someone else. 90 minutes standoff with the guards asking him to drop his weapon and they shot him when he lunged at a Bean Garda. Beat his missus in the face with a hammer and attacked an elderly woman in the street all in the last few weeks. They couldn't shoot the cunt enough times.
Whether in street terms he "deserved" it or not, isn't relevant to how the justice system and its enforcement works though. Precedent, to some extent, however, is. Sure, he may well have even been wanting them to kill him at the point that they did, but even that wouldn't be relevant to evaluating what happened.
I wouldn't have been in the protests myself, but for anyone deciding to ignore what he'd done, there is a precedent there for saying, "a criminal in Ireland armed with a knife should not expect to be shot dead." From there, it's a small step for a human brain to explain it on some superficial detail, such as skin colour.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 31, 2020, 07:19:25 PM
I wouldn't have been in the protests myself, but for anyone deciding to ignore what he'd done, there is a precedent there for saying, "a criminal in Ireland armed with a knife should not expect to be shot dead." From there, it's a small step for a human brain to explain it on some superficial detail, such as skin colour.
Would you expect a criminal charging an armed guard with a knife/machete to get shot dead?
And there is precedent for it...
https://www.thejournal.ie/mark-hennessy-inquest-4974378-Jan2020/
I said this on here months ago, but all of those twats at the Irish BLM protests back in May/June are creaming themselves over this.
Quote from: Pedrito on December 31, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
He slashed the person in the Spar. Attackd someone else. 90 minutes standoff with the guards asking him to drop his weapon and they shot him when he lunged at a Ban Garda. Beat his missus in the face with a hammer and attacked an elderly woman in the street all in the last few weeks. They couldn't shoot the cunt enough times.
Pedro you're such a racist. Surely some cognitive behaviour therapy and a free gaffe should have been given to him.
Quote from: Pedrito on December 31, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
He slashed the person in the Spar. Attackd someone else. 90 minutes standoff with the guards asking him to drop his weapon and they shot him when he lunged at a Ban Garda. Beat his missus in the face with a hammer and attacked an elderly woman in the street all in the last few weeks. They couldn't shoot the cunt enough times.
This is the long and short of it. This No Justice, No Peace bollox that they're at now. Jesus wept. The guards used an escalating scale of measures, finally resulting lethal measures. Bar it being an unprecedented situation, it scarcely merits the inevitable enquiry that will follow.
Quote from: ldj on December 31, 2020, 07:26:04 PM
And there is precedent for it...
https://www.thejournal.ie/mark-hennessy-inquest-4974378-Jan2020/
Not really, no:
https://www.newstalk.com/news/garda-inquest-mark-hennessy-954695
QuoteThe Garda who shot Mark Hennessy has told his inquest he believed Jastine Valdez's throat was being slit and she was at "imminent risk of death."
And if that situation merited an inquest, then of course this latest one does all the more so!
Yes, and in much the same way, the Garda who shot him no doubt believed that he or his colleagues were at immediate risk of being stabbed.
Quote from: John Kimble on December 31, 2020, 07:47:14 PM
Yes, and in much the same way, the Garda who shot him no doubt believed that he or his colleagues were at immediate risk of being stabbed.
Yes, and that's certainly more pertinent than whether or not there was a 'precedent'.
The protests are absolutely without merit, but of course, the incessant self flagellating of the 'progressive intellectual' white man will undoubtedly bring race into it.
I wonder if Paddy Mulligan beyond in London got shot by the police after waving a machete in their faces, would the countless injustices visited on the Irish be brought out on to the street like a storm, irresistible in the face of historic prejudice, cultural destruction and anti-Irish sentiment, among other things? No, because it's not fashionable amongst the flat-white drinking coffee shop intellectuals this season.
'Precedent'. FFS.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 31, 2020, 07:19:25 PM
I wouldn't have been in the protests myself, but for anyone deciding to ignore what he'd done, there is a precedent there for saying, "a criminal in Ireland armed with a knife should not expect to be shot dead." From there, it's a small step for a human brain to explain it on some superficial detail, such as skin colour.
Well maybe it's time we started shooting more of these knife wielding lunatics and we'll have plenty precedent. We have spent 100 years without armed Garda in the country but it's only a matter of time now. I live in a city of 300k people in Spain and the idea that someone would even get halfway down the road after the Spar incident is unthinkable. There'd be no faffing around for 90 minutes either. And guess what? You could stroll around my area at any time of the day or night and feel safe. Women feel safe, old people feel safe, every foreign person I know, people from all colours and creeds, including myself thinks it's great. Kids run around the streets, play outside (covid somewhat an exception) until 10 at night. There's no soft touch here. You break the law and you'll suffer the consequences and it works.
Quote from: John Kimble on December 31, 2020, 07:47:14 PM
Yes, and in much the same way, the Garda who shot him no doubt believed that he or his colleagues were at immediate risk of being stabbed.
Yes, and the inquest will determine whether that almost certainly genuine assessment was accurate or not. Ireland is not a country where lethal force is taken lightly, and you shouldn't want it to be either. It's good that these inquests take place. The protests were premature, but that's the nature of these things; people already worked up look at the facts and (most likely incorrectly) conclude that race was a factor in the exceptional fact that a knife-armed criminal was shot dead by the gardai. Immanent danger is indeed the key justice factor here, not a shopping list of his crimes - that's not the country we're from, thankfully.
Should've shot him in the knee like they do in the films.
"Shopping list of his crimes"?
C'mon man, it's too soon for making jokes!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 31, 2020, 08:10:54 PM
"Shopping list of his crimes"?
C'mon man, it's too soon for making jokes!
Haha! 10/10! :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 31, 2020, 08:04:22 PM
Quote from: John Kimble on December 31, 2020, 07:47:14 PM
Yes, and in much the same way, the Garda who shot him no doubt believed that he or his colleagues were at immediate risk of being stabbed.
Yes, and the inquest will determine whether that almost certainly genuine assessment was accurate or not.
You must be confusing inquest with investigation, the primary purpose of an inquest is to establish the causes of violent, sudden or unexplained deaths, and the circumstances surrounding them. It has no remit in establishing whether the actions were bona fide or not, that's up to GSOC and Garda management.
You're right, investigation. I had inquest in my head from the Mark Hennessy diversion.
You've been watching too Bergerac reruns this Christmas methinks
Quote from: Pedrito on December 31, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
He slashed the person in the Spar. Attackd someone else. 90 minutes standoff with the guards asking him to drop his weapon and they shot him when he lunged at a Ban Garda. Beat his missus in the face with a hammer and attacked an elderly woman in the street all in the last few weeks. They couldn't shoot the cunt enough times.
How much of this is confirmed, incidentally? I've seen people on FB sharing a list which is literally just a text document that says, "From a friend in the guards" at the top by means of source. Some of the same people are saying Nkencho slashed the face of someone in the supermarket and are sharing a photo water-marked with the caption "THE BLOKE GEORGE SLASHED FOR DOING HIS JOB."
Since the papers mentioned only a punching and not a knifing, I did a simple reverse image search on it. Oh, look, what a surprise, "patriots" sharing BS to stir up anti-immigrant sentiment even more:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-fan-slashed-millwall-game-15744432
That article is almost a year old and is about a (white British) Everton fan having his face slashed during a brawl with (presumabably white British) Millwall fans.
What kind of a fuckin' eejit shares that?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 01, 2021, 07:01:53 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on December 31, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
He slashed the person in the Spar. Attackd someone else. 90 minutes standoff with the guards asking him to drop his weapon and they shot him when he lunged at a Ban Garda. Beat his missus in the face with a hammer and attacked an elderly woman in the street all in the last few weeks. They couldn't shoot the cunt enough times.
How much of this is confirmed, incidentally? I've seen people on FB sharing a list which is literally just a text document that says, "From a friend in the guards" at the top by means of source. Some of the same people are saying Nkencho slashed the face of someone in the supermarket and are sharing a photo water-marked with the caption "THE BLOKE GEORGE SLASHED FOR DOING HIS JOB."
Since the papers mentioned only a punching and not a knifing, I did a simple reverse image search on it. Oh, look, what a surprise, "patriots" sharing BS to stir up anti-immigrant sentiment even more:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-fan-slashed-millwall-game-15744432
I saw the video of him lunging with a knife at the garda. You love this narrative don't you..just come out and say it. It wouldn't matter what happened the Garda would be wrong. They're drumming this up now to make it George Floyd Irish style despite the fact that our guards only ever use lethal force in extremely rare circumstances. It has nothing to do with the lefty obsession with the States. It's West fucking Dublin where gangs of second generation kids are running the place..a kip of unbelievable proportions. And I lived there so I should know.
I'm not talking about a narrative. I'm talking about the fact that every time something bad happens involving any immigrant population in Ireland (not exclusively, obviously, but that's where we're talking about), there is a concerted effort on the part of certain self-proclaimed "patriots" to spread far and wide misinformation painting the immigrant population in question in the worst possible light, over and above what they may or may not have actually done. For example, photos of crowded immigrants standing at a bus stop being shared when the fruit pickers were flown over, which turned out to be months old and weren't at all signs that these Bulgarians were dirty COVID super-spreaders amongst us. Or, for example, a photo of a hospitalized man with his face slashed being shared with a water-mark caption claiming that he is somebody that in fact he very much absolutely definitely isn't.
So, in light of anti-immigrant misinformation tactics in general, and more specifically in light of discovering that in at least one regard it is already very much happening in this story too, my question was simply how much of the information being shared is actually confirmed. I.e. "he slashed the person in the Spar"; is that confirmed? Maybe yes, maybe no, but I haven't seen it in any official accounts yet. He "beat his missus in the face with a hammer"; is that confirmed? He "attacked an elderly woman in the street"; is that confirmed? The list headed "Friend in the guards" also contains those things, and also says he has 39 previous convictions, but some of the same sources sharing that list - to answer Kev's oddly obvious question - are the same "fuckin' eejits" sharing a photo of a hospitalized Everton fan from 2019 with a caption on it saying it's the manager of a shop in Blanchardstown.
Just to make it perfectly clear: it's absolutely possible that all of those things did actually happen - the guy had a knife and assaulted some people, so of course it's plausible he did a whole load of other heinous shit in his life too. The question is whether they really did though, and I'm asking because there's already some confirmed serious BS circulating.
There's always bullshit circulating. Just look at this absolute race baiter Dr Ebun Joseph jumping on the bandwagon. Again, the right and the left covering themselves in glory..arseholes the lot of them.
All that said, the Garda weren't outside his house because nothing had happened as is being reported by obviously distressed family members and friends. Something very serious happened for a response unit to respond in that way. I saw the video of the lunge. You spend 90 minutes trying to talk a guy down and then he lunges at a female Garda. Let the investigation take place, but I'm sorry, anyone brandishing a knife or glassing people or smashing them with hurleys or whatever your weapon of fancy, I'm no hard jaw but I've seen enough violence in my time to say that the minute you take a knife and probably a.machete out in public well then all bets should be off. That's my own way of seeing things. It might shock others but maybe they don't quite realise the absolute damage someone who is out of control with a weapon can cause.
Still none of which has anything to do with sharing non-confirmed information, some of which may well be misinformation intentionally put out there by the far right. Maybe I'm an exception in being bothered by opportunistic cunts intentionally trying to pawn a lie off as true in order to rope people into spreading their narrative though. Anyway, even though you're not addressing my question directly, what I'm gathering by your answers is that out of everything you related under the belief that they were true, only the lunging at the gardai with the knife is, to your knowledge, actually confirmed. Well, true or not, it is very much being used on social media to reinforce people in their beliefs that this is "just how these animals are" (mildly paraphrased from many things read on social media last night). Just another reason to really make a concerted effort to look for a solid source before even provisionally accepting something as true.
His younger brother said in an interview that the cops were called to the house many times over Georgie boy.
Thankfully no more than 5 bullets were wasted in his culling.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 01, 2021, 11:55:51 AM
His younger brother said in an interview that the cops were called to the house many times over Georgie boy.
Not quite what he said though, is it?
QuoteEmmanuel explained that his brother "was mentally ill" and said the family had previously called gardai "to come and check him out".
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6353607/family-george-nkencho-video-shot-dead-gardai/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 01, 2021, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 01, 2021, 11:55:51 AM
His younger brother said in an interview that the cops were called to the house many times over Georgie boy.
Not quite what he said though, is it?
QuoteEmmanuel explained that his brother "was mentally ill" and said the family had previously called gardai "to come and check him out".
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6353607/family-george-nkencho-video-shot-dead-gardai/
Yep, cops love calling round to houses to have the craic with various lads. They've nothing better to be at at all. Carry on....
Jaysus H Christos lad you waste some amount of time and effort trawling the internet to try and give yourself some crumbs of credibility. :laugh:
With a relatively simple story like this (compared to, say, an international conflict), it takes minutes to get an overview of what is confirmed to be true, what remains speculation or interpretation, and what is confirmed to be false. You could make it trying that out your New Year's Resolution!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-ombudsman-to-investigate-shooting-dead-of-man-by-garda%C3%AD-in-co-dublin-1.4447470
I hope the Spar manager's nose makes a full recovery.
I've already made my new year's resolution (I make one every year and unfortunately for you, it's to be an even bigger cunt this year.
:laugh:
:laugh:
Might be....
This seems completely open and shut. There isn't a huge amount of misinformation. It wouldn't even be a race issue except for eejits jumping on a BLM wagon that has now come to the fore, completely unnecessarily. You'd swear we have a history of shooting unarmed black people here. He was dangerous, he was armed, he was involved in a stand off and he made an attack. There are no ifs, buts or anything. It actually couldn't be simpler to comprehend.
Try telling that to all the faux outraged gobshites that were tearing it up in Blanch yesterday.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 01, 2021, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 01, 2021, 11:55:51 AM
His younger brother said in an interview that the cops were called to the house many times over Georgie boy.
Not quite what he said though, is it?
QuoteEmmanuel explained that his brother "was mentally ill" and said the family had previously called gardai "to come and check him out".
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6353607/family-george-nkencho-video-shot-dead-gardai/
This is the same lad that said in the interview I read that his bruddah was only brandishing a butter knife. I shudder to think what size the batch loaves are in the Nkencho household.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 01, 2021, 01:20:35 PM
This seems completely open and shut. There isn't a huge amount of misinformation. It wouldn't even be a race issue except for eejits jumping on a BLM wagon that has now come to the fore, completely unnecessarily.
Are you serious? The amount of anti-immigrant, anti-black discourse flying around social media over this is staggering. Not at all unexpected, since it's been there any time black kids got involved in any criminal activity since long before anyone in Ireland had even heard of BLM, but staggering nonetheless. All of that discourse is fueled in large part by a mix of so far unconfirmed details and confirmed bullshit. Suggesting it's only a race issue because of BLM folk displays literally unbelievable naïvety or wanton ignoring of anti-immigrant sentiment in Ireland.
And @KurtCocaine; get some fucking sleep man -
you're the one who initially quoted his brother FFS!
Calm down petal, jeez....
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 01, 2021, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 01, 2021, 01:20:35 PM
This seems completely open and shut. There isn't a huge amount of misinformation. It wouldn't even be a race issue except for eejits jumping on a BLM wagon that has now come to the fore, completely unnecessarily.
Are you serious? The amount of anti-immigrant, anti-black discourse flying around social media over this is staggering.
And @KurtCocaine; get some fucking sleep man - you're the one who initially quoted his brother FFS!
Social media, are YOU serious? Is that what you're trawling through to back up your "argument" or whatever it is? You persist in questioning totally pedantically, as is your wont.
I'll take a leap here and assume you can cook to a certain level. When you're cooking spaghetti bolognese. Do you pore over articles why spaghetti is the type of pasta used, instead of, say, fusilli. Do you research which type of tomatoes should be used. Is it a dilemma if you can't get your hands on fresh oregano and have to resort to dried oregano ??? ??? Do you have to do more research to validate that due a cold summer this year that shop-bought herbs will suffice this year as difference between fresh and dried is negligible.
I repeat, He was dangerous, he was armed, he was involved in a stand off and he made an attack. There are no ifs, buts or anything. It actually couldn't be simpler to comprehend. There are no minutae to discuss or labour over.
I'm not "trawling" through social media; misinformation appears in my feed. Misinformation also regularly appears right here on the forum, without me needing to "trawl" for it. Just because it stems from social media, doesn't negate its impact on how people think, quite the opposite (one of the main reasons social media is such a regular subject on traditional media).
You're putting out two arguments, and replying with respect to only one of them:
1) The fact that the guy ended up dead couldn't be simpler to comprehend, since he lunged at police, etc.
I can grant this, no problem, at the very least pending the findings of the investigation. So, put that one to bed.
2) That it wouldn't even be a race issue except for BLM band-wagon jumpers.
But this is just not true. Every crime committed by an immigrant in Ireland instantly becomes a race issue and is instrumentalized to stoke anti-immigrant sentiment, in a way that is neither trivial nor benign. I don't see what is the point in denying this.
I'm only arguing your number 1 point here. You're the one talking about point 2. And I'd be with Emphyrio in that regard. All the rest of it is noise from racists on the right and race baiters on the left. The simple facts of the case are what I'm intsrested in. I used shop regularly in that Spar. The idea that anyone of any colour is brandishing a knife and continues to do so for hours afterwards is simply horrific. These are areas with lots of young families living in them. There were more than likely kids in that shop yesteday and some fucking nutter is attacking the guy at the counter and pulling out a knife? Fuck that. Shoot him as quickly as possible and anyone else who does the same. I would say the same about any oul Paddy spudhead knacker that was acting the same way.
Ah here. Leave the spudheads out of it. We have enough on our plate.
I'd also add that I experienced unknown levels of thuggery all throughout my childhood and teenage years as I'm sure many Irish people have. The type of thing that simply does not exist in many many places in the world, even in third world countries. The Irish/British/American way of looking at the world seems to believe that this is just normal behaviour. It isn't. We are far too lenient in Ireland on anti social and scumbag behaviour. Whole estates up and down the country full of people are left to suffer a type.of silent intimidation because there's no rule of law when it comes to scum. And a lot of it falls at the door of apologists and anti system types who seem to rage agajnst anything done by the 'mainstream' and yet condone and defend outlandish acts of thuggery like this incident without even blinking. It's pure hypocrisy, and the only people suffering are those who have the misfortune to live in a semi detached next to the lad in this incident.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 01, 2021, 03:06:19 PM
Ah here. Leave the spudheads out of it. We have enough on our plate.
Never enough spuds on my plate in fairness.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 01, 2021, 03:02:16 PM
I'm only arguing your number 1 point here. You're the one talking about point 2. And I'd be with Emphyrio in that regard. All the rest of it is noise from racists on the right and race baiters on the left. The simple facts of the case are what I'm intsrested in. I used shop regularly in that Spar. The idea that anyone of any colour is brandishing a knife and continues to do so for hours afterwards is simply horrific. These are areas with lots of young families living in them. There were more than likely kids in that shop yesteday and some fucking nutter is attacking the guy at the counter and pulling out a knife? Fuck that. Shoot him as quickly as possible and anyone else who does the same. I would say the same about any oul Paddy spudhead knacker that was acting the same way.
The difference is that if it'd been, say, your average pasty, freckled scumbag who'd done it, you wouldn't have been reading the same kind of (as far as we know so far) totally speculated and/or fabricated details about his criminal past and the nature of what he did. Even the time-frame is being wildly exaggerated, anywhere from 90 minutes to 5 hours, all to amplify the fear of what could have happened to innocents; the alarm was raised around 12:00 midday, he was shot down at 12:35. None of this exaggeration is Chinese whispers; it's all intended to amplify anti-immigrant sentiment. Stop spreading it! The official account is piss easy to find; stick to it until something more concrete is confirmed. Also easy to comprehend, no?
CCTV footage has emerged of Georgie Boy's attempted robbery in the Spar the other day...
https://youtu.be/KlXnssHy3Y8
I sometimes wish we could truly appreciate something like Solzhenitsyn does for his black bread and fish head soup, Orwell for an auld snout in 'Down and Out...' or the holy grail of an egg in 'Angela's Ashes' and just be thankful for the small auld things instead of having 5 social media accounts and a (usually) ill informed, ostentatious view on every fucking cause celebre.
A dose of Russian army training where your phone gets shoved clean up your hole of you take it out, ever, would do most of us the world of good.
Poor little distraught Emmanuel giving a speech today wanting to 'find the fed' who killed his bruddah.
Sounds like the shit from across the pond. BLM bollox, welcome to Ireland.
The vid's on Grand Torino's page on FB....
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 01, 2021, 03:42:38 PM
I sometimes wish we could truly appreciate something like Solzhenitsyn does for his black bread and fish head soup, Orwell for an auld snout in 'Down and Out...' or the holy grail of an egg in 'Angela's Ashes' and just be thankful for the small auld things instead of having 5 social media accounts and a (usually) ill informed, ostentatious view on every fucking cause celebre.
A dose of Russian army training where your phone gets shoved clean up your hole of you take it out, ever, would do most of us the world of good.
Give Facebook the skip man, did it myself a few months and it's fucking great to be honest.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 01, 2021, 04:02:37 PM
The vid's on Grand Torino's page on FB....
No doubt it is. I hate the whole throwing milkshakes or eggs or whatever at people. Spend your time trying to change something rather than throwing a milkshake to inflate your own ego, but I did raise a chuckle when that idiot Torino got a doing.
Understandable, but a bit of a Streisand Effect there was to it also, since it only made him suddenly a somebody to a lot of people who previously had no idea who he was, including myself and, unfortunately, many more who were sympathetic to his brand of "thinking."
#JusticeForGeorgeNkencho trending on twitter at the minute.
So my guess is that people want to see better access to mental health services and improved urban planning to provide equal employment and education opportunities to those in a lower income bracket.
But no, of course it isn't that. Defund the Gardai!!! Fried fools everywhere.
Meanwhile in Nigeria, many Black Lives lost https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/06/video-of-nigerian-police-shooting-man-in-street-sparks-outcry and the corporate sponsors have fuck all to say about it... why don't these Black Lives Matter?? Because it isn't world news if you get fucking done by fellas the same colour as you. Wow, when I think about it a non-racist cop shouldn't give a shite about the colour of the perp and be an equal opportunities executioner, but now they have to treat black people differently? That's a bit fucking racist isn't it?
Did a search looking for EndSars corporate sponsors and got this: https://www.msn.com/en-xl/africa/nigeria/these-are-the-sponsors-of-endsars-protest-former-governor/ar-BB1aP4wp
Checked for BLM corporate sponsors and got this: https://builtin.com/diversity-inclusion/companies-that-support-black-lives-matter-social-justice
Equality abounds! Hmmm..
I'm about as left wing as they get, the lad tried to stab a guard, there is no discussion. Morons on fb trying to justify it with fake photos do not matter. The lad tried to stab a guard. End of.
I see a video of his brother speaking at one of these protests saying there was 35 gardai not 12 (even though in another video he says f**k the 12), that George was not tasered and that he fell down and then he was shot (again video shows different) From what I see it's noise from left and right, one side spreading lies about the actual incident, turning the heat up on the whole situation leading to more needless agitation (Outside Spar, in blanch etc) and the other side with the usual anti-immigration stance/rhetoric. Both sides feed into each other and shows how social media really isn't the place for any sort of decent discussion on this.
Quote from: lifeeternal on January 01, 2021, 07:07:52 PM
I'm about as left wing as they get, the lad tried to stab a guard, there is no discussion. Morons on fb trying to justify it with fake photos do not matter. The lad tried to stab a guard. End of.
Careful now, I don't think you're digging deep enough into the route cause of the whole thing. Get on the internet there, up to and including social media, and with a bit of research you'll find that the whole thing could have been avoided. You're oversimplifying the situation. It was totally because he was black.
Quote from: The Butcher on January 01, 2021, 07:23:02 PM
I see a video of his brother speaking at one of these protests saying there was 35 gardai not 12 (even though in another video he says f**k the 12), that George was not tasered and that he fell down and then he was shot (again video shows different) From what I see it's noise from left and right, one side spreading lies about the actual incident, turning the heat up on the whole situation leading to more needless agitation (Outside Spar, in blanch etc) and the other side with the usual anti-immigration stance/rhetoric. Both sides feed into each other and shows how social media really isn't the place for any sort of decent discussion on this.
This
Animals...
https://streamable.com/rh9bv2
Cabáistí. I'm just so confused as to what they're complaining about. There was a case for the George Floyd thing, do they see this as comparable?
Just saw a bit of the brother's speech.
"I want the guard terminated" (from his position, not in the Arnie sense, I presume)
"When we find him....." (Or maybe it is in the Arnie sense.)
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 01, 2021, 07:44:56 PM
It was totally because he was black.
No one
here has suggested that is the case, though, let's just be clear.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 01, 2021, 08:05:03 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 01, 2021, 07:44:56 PM
It was totally because he was black.
No one here has suggested that is the case, though, let's just be clear.
Sorry, it must have got lost in translation somewhere cos I was nearly sure you brought up the race thing and everyone else was purely on about point 1 you highlighted earlier. I do get lost in the mire of your arguments, however, so that's on me.
Nope, the race thing was part of the discussion long before I joined in. And what I said about the race angle response was this:
QuoteYou can't actually draw any real meaningful conclusions from such low numbers, but looking at things with a hot head you can end up at, "white criminals only get shot when they have guns, this black guy got shot even though he only had a knife."
Quotefor anyone deciding to ignore what he'd done, there is a precedent there for saying, "a criminal in Ireland armed with a knife should not expect to be shot dead." From there, it's a small step for a human brain to explain it on some superficial detail, such as skin colour.
Seeing that you are a reader, I know it's not beyond you to understand that in both of these instances it's a case of
thinking like someone else, the obvious implication of which is that it's
not what I personally think, otherwise I'd just state it.
Your first quote is very wishy-washy.
Your second, pure speculation.
Your third is irrelevant to the whole thing.
As Pedro had to do, Point 1 that you highlighted earlier is all anyone was really talking about. You were the one going off on a tangent for Point 2. For someone who didn't start the race angle, you sure ran with it.
What I ran with was all the pure speculation other people were bringing to the discussion [edit - bringing to the discussion as fact, being the key point]; previous convictions, hammered his girlfriend in the face, took hours to try to disarm him, etc.. I didn't bring any of that unconfirmed social media sourced stuff to the discussion, but I did call it out, after the fact, for what it was. If you lost track of the chronology of things, that's on you too.
My only source of information were a couple of news articles. I can make up my mind fairly quickly and I don't have the inclination to trawl for loads of information. There are actually more fun things to do with my time. Until proven otherwise, I'm happy to go along with the way the guards recount of the incident. And I'd bet I won't be wrong.
The only other material I saw was that clip of the brother's speech, which only furthers my belief that the guards were right.
Anyway, we've been here before. There are more fun things to be at for the evening.
I am also going along with the guards' account. And then there is the discussion here, which has involved things not mentioned at all, at least not so far, in the guards' account. Two separate things; the guards' account of the event, and the discussion here about the event. It is possible to accept the guards' account and at the same time disagree, with someone who also accepts the guards' account, about something which isn't mentioned in the guards' account, which they - not I - have brought up. You jumping into the middle of it and blaming me for discussing things I didn't bring up, well, there ain't much I can do about that now is there, and it's a pretty bad faith approach tbh.
Generally speaking, it is useful to be able to make these kinds of analyses.
You're well within your rights to question some of the hearsay things that have been mentioned. However, and you do it regularly, you run with dismissing those points and completely lose sight of the initial argument.
In short, most, including me, were only discussing Point 1.
These kids and their subculture is out of control. The Drill rap image, the machismo, the posing with machetes, there's something really not right about it all. We can dismiss it as just youth gone wild but it's gone way beyond that nowadays. Why did that lad feel like he can have a standoff with the Garda for 90 mins, why are his friends and family outside Blanchardstown station talking up all sorts of BLM defund the police nonsense, talking about terminating Feds and all sorts of pie in the sky nonsense. There doesn't seem to be any proper guidance or education being given to them, just this constant victim narrative that has poisoned them completely against the local native population. Some of the stuff I'm watching today and yesterday is shocking..Irish people in their own streets being called white bastards etc etc, people being attacked just for being white..madness. All in a country that was exporting millions of its own all around the world until very recently.
We have had 6 fatal shootings by Gardaí since 1998. In that time 16 Gardaí have been killed on duty. The idea that our Gardaí would take a life without considering every other option is a complete fanrication and borne out by those numbers. 6 in 22 fucking years!!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-involved-in-six-fatal-shootings-in-the-line-of-duty-since-1998-39919572.html
Anyone who is taking this shooting and twisting it into some anti-black narrative is guilty of the highest form of race baiting and should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. It is feeding a false narrative, with absolutely no basis in fact and it is being pushed by the same mé-féiners who ride the coattails of every controversy in our country to keep themselves in the public eye and keep their bank balances ticking over. No surprise oul useless Labour party hasbeens like Brendan Howlin were the first out of the turnstiles..a party that has changed its spots at every possible opportunity over the decades to keep themselves in their fancy middle class neighbourhoods. The Greens the same. McEntee, The mayor of Dublin, they should all be resigning for their stances in the last few days, painting a completely false picture of events based on everything but facts.
And Gran Torinos and these arseholes aside, why should normal, decent minded people be pushing back on this? Because it was only a matter of time with the culture these kids have bought into that this would happen and we are going to start seeing far more of it now. The Gardaí, for once though(and I'm far from a fan) deserve the benefit of the doubt and our respect for the above mentioned statistic. The idea that they chose this course of action for any other reason than they believed the guy was a risk to others is erroneous and I'd be extremely confident it will be shown to be that way in the coming investigation.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 01, 2021, 09:23:04 PM
You're well within your rights to question some of the hearsay things that have been mentioned. However, and you do it regularly, you run with dismissing those points and completely lose sight of the initial argument.
In short, most, including me, were only discussing Point 1.
But, as has been said, with respect to point 1, for the moment at least, there's nothing much to discuss! If a guard genuinely thought there was immanent danger, then he acted according to his training. Until something indicates otherwise, then that's what happened. That doesn't prevent understanding why African immigrant community people may tend to see it differently, or wondering why some people scoff at the speculation that he may have had mental issues yet swallow the equally speculative suggestion that he had 27 or 39 or however many previous convictions. Right?
Where are you getting the idea of this 90 minute stand-off from?? Any report I've read has said guards called at noon, guy shot at 12:35.
That Independent article Pedro linked above recalls that there was public outcry over the gardai shooting of McCarthy in 2000. He was armed with and fired several shots from his gun, and there was a public outcry. But apparently, according to most of you posting here, it's incomprehensible that there be a public outcry over this latest one where the guy only had a knife...? Have a think about that.
And, yes, I can say that and still, personally, decide to give the gardai absolute benefit of the doubt that they did what they thought was the right thing to do...since apparently all hypotheticals have to be spelled out in-triplicate.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 01, 2021, 09:50:06 PM
That Independent article Pedro linked above recalls that there was public outcry over the gardai shooting of McCarthy in 2000. He was armed with and fired several shots from his gun, and there was a public outcry. But apparently, according to most of you posting here, it's incomprehensible that there be a public outcry over this latest one where the guy only had a knife...? Have a think about that.
And, yes, I can say that and still, personally, decide to give the gardai absolute benefit of the doubt that they did what they thought was the right thing to do...since apparently all hypotheticals have to be spelled out in-triplicate.
The public outcry is that it is being framed as a cop kills black thing, not guard shots knife welding person thing.
I'm not really on social media anymore, nor was I being sent any videos of the incident or the protests surrounding it (aside from seeing whatever The Times had up of the BLM stuff)...so what I'm interested to know is what's the story with mentions here of regular people being called "white bastards" on the street and being attacked!? Is there proof of this and if so what the fuck is going on up in Dublin?
I did watch a video somebody posted here of a load of scaldy types outside a petrol station brawling. But to me I couldn't see how that correlated with the protests going on in town. Is this another case like in then U.S. where scumbags are getting involved in wrecking the place for the sake of it.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 01, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
These kids and their subculture is out of control. The Drill rap image, the machismo, the posing with machetes, there's something really not right about it all.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Quote from: Nazgûl on January 01, 2021, 09:56:20 PM
I'm not really on social media anymore, nor was I being sent any videos of the incident or the protests surrounding it (aside from seeing whatever The Times had up of the BLM stuff)...so what I'm interested to know is what's the story with mentions here of regular people being called "white bastards" on the street and being attacked!? Is there proof of this and if so what the fuck is going on up in Dublin?
I did watch a video somebody posted here of a load of scaldy types outside a petrol station brawling. But to me I couldn't see how that correlated with the protests going on in town. Is this another case like in then U.S. where scumbags are getting involved in wrecking the place for the sake of it.
There is this video I posted earlier in the thread.
https://streamable.com/rh9bv2
Quote from: Nazgûl on January 01, 2021, 09:56:20 PM
I'm not really on social media anymore, nor was I being sent any videos of the incident or the protests surrounding it (aside from seeing whatever The Times had up of the BLM stuff)...so what I'm interested to know is what's the story with mentions here of regular people being called "white bastards" on the street and being attacked!? Is there proof of this and if so what the fuck is going on up in Dublin?
Think this compilation has pretty much all the various bits footage:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FTJAPGlXH8LC/
Quote from: PedritoThe simple facts of the case are what I'm interested in.
...
It is feeding a false narrative, with absolutely no basis in fact.
Okay, it's Friday night, we're back in lockdown, the missus and kid don't get back until tomorrow, the film I was watching is over, and since confirmation bias is my research subject, I can always convince myself this is of broader use to me. Either way, I'm afraid I just can't in good conscience allow the above righteous indignation to slide, so here's a list, in order of posting, of everything that has been said here so far about George Nkencho and the events of 30 December 2020 which, as far as I can tell (i.e. no actual sources provided, but still time to do so if they exist), have "absolutely no basis in fact" and which are being used online now and over the last couple of days to "[feed] a false narrative."
Quote
He robbed or attempted to Rob a shop at knife point
- No official confirmation yet that there was an attempted robbery (circumstantially, seems most likely thing, but nothing confirmed yet so motivation for attack could be something else as yet unknown...or may even turn out to be related to mental issues).
Quotethen went on a 5 hour standoff
- False.
QuoteI see the 'he was troubled/had mental health issues' bollocks has already bern trotted out
- No available basis yet for either confirming or dismissing existence of mental health issues.
QuoteHe slashed the person in the Spar.
- Unconfirmed, but most likely false, as all official reports so far describe only a punch.
Quote90 minutes standoff with the guards
- Unconfirmed, but doesn't match times published in all major media.
Quotewhen he lunged at a Ban Garda.
- Can find no source to confirm there was a bean garda involved.
QuoteBeat his missus in the face with a hammer
- Unconfirmed.
Quoteattacked an elderly woman in the street
- Unconfirmed.
QuoteThere'd be no faffing around for 90 minutes either.
- Probable false premise.
QuoteYou spend 90 minutes trying to talk a guy down and then he lunges at a female Garda
- Probable false premise, plus see above as to source for gender of guard.
QuoteThe idea that anyone of any colour is brandishing a knife and continues to do so for hours afterwards is simply horrific
- Probable false premise.
QuoteWhy did that lad feel like he can have a standoff with the Garda for 90 mins?
- Probable false premise.
So, if there are verifiable sources for any of these, great; get in the habit of providing them, thereby also spreading a good habit.
For any of them which don't have a verifiable source; get in the habit of trying to trace back anything you hear to the earliest possible source you can reach, and if that's not a verifiable source, ask yourself what the nature of that source is, who is the source, what's their agenda, etc., etc. Sometimes, it may even turn out, as with the supposed photo of the manager with a slashed face, that it is total fabrication.
I'm definitely not immune to falling into this trap from time to time either, no human can avoid it, but you have to at least try to actively combat it; it can only benefit the acuity of your reasoning.
Yeah a fella getting shot by the gardai is always front page here and it is certainly newsworthy but just look at what social media is doing to the story on both sides.
We can be fairly sure he wasn't shot because of his colour as there is fuck all lads of any colour being shot by gardai to base it on.
It was inevitable that it would lead to some blm type of response because that's how it goes these days but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
I think the machine is radicalising the whole world by simply offering them more of what they want and letting the people take the bait. Algorithm drags more and more people into direct opposition day by day, solidifying very narrow points of view with little room for nuance and extremely resistant to being changed. And it doesn't even have to be doing it on purpose, it just wants more clicks and dutifully sends the people where they want to go to make themselves feel less empty. The natural reaction to that then is that everyone has at least someone to be in direct conflict of opinion with and then add in everyone being under restrictions so frustrated anyway and it's no wonder shit like this turns out like this.
Just start by taking responsibility for your own personal consumption and distribution - no matter how wide or limited that may be - of information. Demand reliable/verifiable sources. If you can't find one, there's a pretty good chance there isn't one, and what you've been hearing has been exaggerated beyond accurate recognition or was quite simply entirely fabricated in the first place.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 02, 2021, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: PedritoThe simple facts of the case are what I'm interested in.
...
It is feeding a false narrative, with absolutely no basis in fact.
Okay, it's Friday night, we're back in lockdown, the missus and kid don't get back until tomorrow, the film I was watching is over, and since confirmation bias is my research subject, I can always convince myself this is of broader use to me. Either way, I'm afraid I just can't in good conscience allow the above righteous indignation to slide, so here's a list, in order of posting, of everything that has been said here so far about George Nkencho and the events of 30 December 2020 which, as far as I can tell (i.e. no actual sources provided, but still time to do so if they exist), have "absolutely no basis in fact" and which are being used online now and over the last couple of days to "[feed] a false narrative."
Quote
He robbed or attempted to Rob a shop at knife point
- No official confirmation yet that there was an attempted robbery (circumstantially, seems most likely thing, but nothing confirmed yet so motivation for attack could be something else as yet unknown...or may even turn out to be related to mental issues).
An article I read a couple of days ago said it was an attempted robbery. Either way, he punched the Spar manager's face and then brandished a 'large knife', no doubt terrifying staff and customers in the shop.
Quotethen went on a 5 hour standoff
- False.
This was also reported in an article I read too, as have a few others here it seems, but what do we do? Sit back for two weeks and say nothing until the facts are all laid bare?
QuoteI see the 'he was troubled/had mental health issues' bollocks has already bern trotted out
- No available basis yet for either confirming or dismissing existence of mental health issues.
His brother, dear little Emmanuel, stated that the Guards had been round to the house 'to chat with George' a few times. Could be mental health issues (was he ever treated? Hopefully we'll find out), or he could have simply been a bad bastard.
QuoteHe slashed the person in the Spar.
- Unconfirmed, but most likely false, as all official reports so far describe only a punch.
Correct, but only a punch that required the Spar manager to go to hospital for treatment for his nose.
Quote90 minutes standoff with the guards
- Unconfirmed, but doesn't match times published in all major media.
The article I posted yesterday from The Irish Times did state a time of incident between 12pm and 12.35pm to the shooting. So going by that, it's 35 minutes.
Quotewhen he lunged at a Ban Garda.
- Can find no source to confirm there was a bean garda involved.
I myself have seen no mention of a Ban Garda so can't comment.
QuoteBeat his missus in the face with a hammer
- Unconfirmed.
"She was goin through the change bos!"
Quoteattacked an elderly woman in the street
- Unconfirmed.
She shouldn't have been out anyway. Cocooning..
QuoteThere'd be no faffing around for 90 minutes either.
- Probable false premise.
You raised this point already.
QuoteYou spend 90 minutes trying to talk a guy down and then he lunges at a female Garda
- Probable false premise, plus see above as to source for gender of guard.
Either way, it was still 30+ minutes and this guy still wouldn't lay his weapon down, even when multiple gus were pointed at him. Plenty of time to calm down and rationalise his impending doom wouldn't you say?
QuoteThe idea that anyone of any colour is brandishing a knife and continues to do so for hours afterwards is simply horrific
- Probable false premise.
Anyone, no matter what colour, who attacks staff or customers in a shop or wherever with a weapon has to know that he/she will be met with full force when the law arrives in my opinion.
QuoteWhy did that lad feel like he can have a standoff with the Garda for 90 mins?
- Probable false premise.
A couple of posters posted the same time frame. Big deal, you're just regurgitating here to prove your point.
So, if there are verifiable sources for any of these, great; get in the habit of providing them, thereby also spreading a good habit.
For any of them which don't have a verifiable source; get in the habit of trying to trace back anything you hear to the earliest possible source you can reach, and if that's not a verifiable source, ask yourself what the nature of that source is, who is the source, what's their agenda, etc., etc.
Yes bos. Anything you say bos. We hav all the time in the world bos. :laugh:
Sometimes, it may even turn out, as with the supposed photo of the manager with a slashed face, that it is total fabrication.
I'm definitely not immune to falling into this trap from time to time either, no human can avoid it, but you have to at least try to actively combat it; it can only benefit the acuity of your reasoning.
Jebus wept man. How long did it take you to trawl through all this bollox? :laugh:
If my missus and kid was away, the last,
the very last thing I'd be doing is spending my precious free Friday night trawling through posts on a forum to prove a point.
The film's over? Put on another one or kick back with a J and some tunes even....
So chatting bollox with lads on a Metal forum is considered part of 'research' nowadays, huh? Not a bad career at all at all.... 8)
And your attack yesterday on all the indigenous gingers of this country with your; "would we be this outraged if this was a freckly scanger?"
Well sure as shit a couple of hundred faux outraged 'friends' of Mr Freckles wouldn't have went on the rampage in West Dublin afterwards. Would they?
Quote from: astfgyl on January 02, 2021, 01:27:34 AM
Yeah a fella getting shot by the gardai is always front page here and it is certainly newsworthy but just look at what social media is doing to the story on both sides.
We can be fairly sure he wasn't shot because of his colour as there is fuck all lads of any colour being shot by gardai to base it on.
It was inevitable that it would lead to some blm type of response because that's how it goes these days but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
I think the machine is radicalising the whole world by simply offering them more of what they want and letting the people take the bait. Algorithm drags more and more people into direct opposition day by day, solidifying very narrow points of view with little room for nuance and extremely resistant to being changed. And it doesn't even have to be doing it on purpose, it just wants more clicks and dutifully sends the people where they want to go to make themselves feel less empty. The natural reaction to that then is that everyone has at least someone to be in direct conflict of opinion with and then add in everyone being under restrictions so frustrated anyway and it's no wonder shit like this turns out like this.
Very good post astfygl.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 02, 2021, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: PedritoThe simple facts of the case are what I'm interested in.
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It is feeding a false narrative, with absolutely no basis in fact.
Okay, it's Friday night, we're back in lockdown, the missus and kid don't get back until tomorrow, the film I was watching is over, and since confirmation bias is my research subject, I can always convince myself this is of broader use to me. Either way, I'm afraid I just can't in good conscience allow the above righteous indignation to slide, so here's a list, in order of posting, of everything that has been said here so far about George Nkencho and the events of 30 December 2020 which, as far as I can tell (i.e. no actual sources provided, but still time to do so if they exist), have "absolutely no basis in fact" and which are being used online now and over the last couple of days to "[feed] a false narrative."
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He robbed or attempted to Rob a shop at knife point
- No official confirmation yet that there was an attempted robbery (circumstantially, seems most likely thing, but nothing confirmed yet so motivation for attack could be something else as yet unknown...or may even turn out to be related to mental issues).
Quotethen went on a 5 hour standoff
- False.
QuoteI see the 'he was troubled/had mental health issues' bollocks has already bern trotted out
- No available basis yet for either confirming or dismissing existence of mental health issues.
QuoteHe slashed the person in the Spar.
- Unconfirmed, but most likely false, as all official reports so far describe only a punch.
Quote90 minutes standoff with the guards
- Unconfirmed, but doesn't match times published in all major media.
Quotewhen he lunged at a Ban Garda.
- Can find no source to confirm there was a bean garda involved.
QuoteBeat his missus in the face with a hammer
- Unconfirmed.
Quoteattacked an elderly woman in the street
- Unconfirmed.
QuoteThere'd be no faffing around for 90 minutes either.
- Probable false premise.
QuoteYou spend 90 minutes trying to talk a guy down and then he lunges at a female Garda
- Probable false premise, plus see above as to source for gender of guard.
QuoteThe idea that anyone of any colour is brandishing a knife and continues to do so for hours afterwards is simply horrific
- Probable false premise.
QuoteWhy did that lad feel like he can have a standoff with the Garda for 90 mins?
- Probable false premise.
So, if there are verifiable sources for any of these, great; get in the habit of providing them, thereby also spreading a good habit.
For any of them which don't have a verifiable source; get in the habit of trying to trace back anything you hear to the earliest possible source you can reach, and if that's not a verifiable source, ask yourself what the nature of that source is, who is the source, what's their agenda, etc., etc. Sometimes, it may even turn out, as with the supposed photo of the manager with a slashed face, that it is total fabrication.
I'm definitely not immune to falling into this trap from time to time either, no human can avoid it, but you have to at least try to actively combat it; it can only benefit the acuity of your reasoning.
Ah he was a great guy god rest his soul.
Knee fo' George....
I keep forgetting that Chris is the only one with the true story all the time. Must be amazing to be always on the ground at these events with the truthful reporting that we've all become used to in our media.
He's the only reason I come on this forum. And I really mean that. :laugh:
He's a good lad though.
I'm sure he's taking a knee for George as we speak.
Why isn't ANYONE asking the big question: Was George wearing a mask in the shop?
I think in this day and age, with everything we have learned from Covid, we can at least all agree that not wearing a mask would be grounds to be shot there and then.
If CCTV shows he wasn't, then this is a closed case.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 10:15:53 AM
I'm sure he's taking a shit for George as we speak.
Fixed that for you....
Quote from: Bigmac on January 02, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
Why isn't ANYONE asking the big question: Was George wearing a mask in the shop?
I think in this day and age, with everything we have learned from Covid, we can at least all agree that not wearing a mask would be grounds to be shot there and then.
If CCTV shows he wasn't, then this is a closed case.
What if it was a black mask?
Unless the CCTV images provided are in 4k resolution that all efforts to provide this valuable information would be futile.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
What if it was a black mask?
Typical for a white man to jump straight to colour.
I bet you only wear white masks you literal white supremacist.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 02, 2021, 10:32:58 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
What if it was a black mask?
Typical for a white man to jump straight to colour.
I bet you only wear white masks you literal white supremacist.
Well, my pointy hat is white after all. Colour co-ordination and all that.
How does every good racist joke start?
With a look over both shoulders.
I bumped into a lad I know this morning and he's an armed guard. I was asking him what he made of the Floyd Blanch scenario. He was saying it looks like it was legit and that proper protocol was followed. Their training teaches them to shoot to stop, not to kill. They use 9mm bullets which are designed to cause minimum damage, and three shots were fired indicating that your man didn't stop coming forward/ attacking with his knife even after being shot twice. Possible mental health issues with the dude so, again, seems more a shit combination of a person with ghetto disenfranchisement not getting the treatment he needs or possibly not taking medication.
I worry that reducing something like this to racism will benefit nobody. Not the family, not the black community, not the white community, not the guards who have to deal with the problems that these shit areas inevitably throw up. And it takes the focus away from the potential solutions- giving these communities proper amenities, education and the structures to set up businesses all of which might instil a sense of pride and reduce victim mentality which can only be cancerous.
The self-defeatist BLM victim mentality is so depressing. Constantly positioning your whole community as the underdog, revelling in that and not using it as a way to propel yourself out of it, worse- to brand those who do get out as sell-outs or Uncle Toms, must be fucking soul crushing. Teaching your kids that they are forever hated, even if things appear to be good, in actuality the racism persists beyond your perception! How the fuck is that supposed to motivate people? It's a kamikaze attitude and to see it begin to creep in here is worrying. The black community here are mostly decent people who want to get along so I hope we see some resistance to that way of thinking from the less polluted minds in those communities.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 02, 2021, 11:05:16 AM
I bumped into a lad I know this morning and he's an armed guard. I was asking him what he made of the Floyd Blanch scenario. He was saying it looks like it was legit and that proper protocol was followed. Their training teaches them to shoot to stop, not to kill. They use 9mm bullets which are designed to cause minimum damage, and three shots were fired indicating that your man didn't stop coming forward/ attacking with his knife even after being shot twice. Possible mental health issues with the dude so, again, seems more a shit combination of a person with ghetto disenfranchisement not getting the treatment he needs or possibly not taking medication.
I worry that reducing something like this to racism will benefit nobody. Not the family, not the black community, not the white community, not the guards who have to deal with the problems that these shit areas inevitably throw up. And it takes the focus away from the potential solutions- giving these communities proper amenities, education and the structures to set up businesses all of which might instil a sense of pride and reduce victim mentality which can only be cancerous.
The self-defeatist BLM victim mentality is so depressing. Constantly positioning your whole community as the underdog, revelling in that and not using it as a way to propel yourself out of it, worse- to brand those who do get out as sell-outs or Uncle Toms, must be fucking soul crushing. Teaching your kids that they are forever hated, even if things appear to be good, in actuality the racism persists beyond your perception! How the fuck is that supposed to motivate people? It's a kamikaze attitude and to see it begin to creep in here is worrying. The black community here are mostly decent people who want to get along so I hope we see some resistance to that way of thinking from the less polluted minds in those communities.
What he has described is exactly as I saw it on the WhatsApp video the other day. It all happened so quickly.
Nail on head McLove. The only people who brought race into the equation were the usual neanderthals on the right, but far more worringly our 'liberal' 'woke' media and politicians. They might feel they're doing some good here, extending some sort of hand of friendship across the racial lines, but it only serves to blur everything. A criminal should be dealt with the same be he black, white, asian whatever. We are not the US. Our Garda are unarmed and respond in this way only in the direst of circumstances. All the rest of it is simply giving liscence to those who wish to divide us and/or gain points in whatever idealogical argument they are so concerned about winning.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 02, 2021, 11:05:16 AM
I bumped into a lad I know this morning and he's an armed guard. I was asking him what he made of the Floyd Blanch scenario. He was saying it looks like it was legit and that proper protocol was followed. Their training teaches them to shoot to stop, not to kill. They use 9mm bullets which are designed to cause minimum damage, and three shots were fired indicating that your man didn't stop coming forward/ attacking with his knife even after being shot twice. Possible mental health issues with the dude so, again, seems more a shit combination of a person with ghetto disenfranchisement not getting the treatment he needs or possibly not taking medication.
I worry that reducing something like this to racism will benefit nobody. Not the family, not the black community, not the white community, not the guards who have to deal with the problems that these shit areas inevitably throw up. And it takes the focus away from the potential solutions- giving these communities proper amenities, education and the structures to set up businesses all of which might instil a sense of pride and reduce victim mentality which can only be cancerous.
The self-defeatist BLM victim mentality is so depressing. Constantly positioning your whole community as the underdog, revelling in that and not using it as a way to propel yourself out of it, worse- to brand those who do get out as sell-outs or Uncle Toms, must be fucking soul crushing. Teaching your kids that they are forever hated, even if things appear to be good, in actuality the racism persists beyond your perception! How the fuck is that supposed to motivate people? It's a kamikaze attitude and to see it begin to creep in here is worrying. The black community here are mostly decent people who want to get along so I hope we see some resistance to that way of thinking from the less polluted minds in those communities.
What he has described is exactly as I saw it on the WhatsApp video the other day. It all happened so quickly.
False
That video was in fact a deleted scene from the 2nd Blade movie with the perpetrator's face replacing that of Wesley Snipe's on faceapp. Get your story straight for fucks sake!!!!
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 10:09:26 AM
I keep forgetting that Chris is the only one with the true story all the time. Must be amazing to be always on the ground at these events with the truthful reporting that we've all become used to in our media.
Neither you nor Kurt even linked to a source for any of those claims (this was my main point about how to do your bit if you think everyone should "only be interested in the facts"), even though KC is now saying everything he read was in "an article." The article he linked me from the IT on NYE when I initially asked for a link to know what this whole Blanch incident was about, clearly states a timeframe of midday to 12:35, a punch, etc., etc., but then in his post directly after, KC went on to claim things not in that very article, and in fact every other unconfirmed claim was posted subsequent to that point. So the very first article I read, before knowing anything else about all this, had the proper account, and it was
after that article had been shared here that you all came in with other claims which didn't match that account and for which not a single source to back them up was provided. This is how bullshit spreads.
Have you actually seen any of the videos or are you just getting your story from The Guardian or whatever 'source' or 'article' you see fit. I'm not takking about articles I'm talking about twatty cunts who are trying to sell a line that this incident is somehow racially motivated. I talked about the 6 Garda killings since 1998. I talked about a standoff where someone was asked repeatedly to drop a knife in a neighbourhood where little kids and families and people who have to get up for work on a Monday morning have to endure this type of nonsense. You're the one dragging this out and trying to read more into it than needs be. It's an open and shut case as far as I'm concerned. If someone walks up my street here with a knife in his hand, I don't care if he's Buddha reincarnated I hope the police will deal with him appropriately. End of.
If he's muslim I'm sure they'll say it was the way he was taught history in school, if he's Irish they'll blame him getting bummed by priests, I don't care. You walk up the street threatening people with knives then you need to be put down somehow. The rest of it is the usual deflection tactics you enjoy so much.
None of the videos tell us anything about previous convictions, which you reported in emotionally charged and unconfirmed detail. I mean, I don't know why you're trying to dodge it; just try to avoid doing it in the future! You didn't hear those rumours by accident - it's bullshit fakenews, started with an agenda, spread unwittingly. Don't be unwitting!
Edit: I'll pull that back a bit - it's bullshit fake-news, as far as we know. Maybe, it will turn out these rumours are true, but for the moment, as I keep saying, I haven't seen one single reliable source provided as basis in fact for any of them. So, personally, I wouldn't be relating them as fact, since I have no way of verifying whether they are. We're not exactly talking about Mentat-level training ;) , just a slight, conscious effort of mental discipline.
The smarminess and ego behind some of your posts is frankly startling.
What single reliable source are you looking for here? Some woke bollox written in the Irish Independent or the Guardian that will polish this whole thing up to look like some poor disenfranchised black lad who just wasn't sure how to express himself so he did the only thing he knew how and lashed out with a machete? Because that's the kind of rubbish we're being fed here. I'll focus on the larger picture thank you very much and make up my own mind on these things. If you have 'reliable' sources I'd be very interested to read them. Fire them up for us all to see.
We were reacting to the snippets of news (Irish Times, etc.) posted in the aftermath that afternoon. Of course there was going to be some snippets of misinformation involved and no one here was deliberately telling lies or knowingly spreading said misinformation. It's the digital media age, get used to it.
Also, most of us had seen the few WhatsApp videos of the trail of cop cars following him back to his house. Then the actual stand off and shooting itself.
This lad was, by all accounts a bad bastard. And lo and behold his dear little bruddah Emmanuel seems a cunt too.
Should be locked up for threatening the life of a member of the Garda Síochána And nó doubt his/her family.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 12:15:26 PM
The smarminess and ego behind some of your posts is frankly startling.
But unsurprising.
I'm just after hearing that a house has been blown up in Blanchardstown.
!!!
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 12:16:22 PM
Some woke bollox written in the Irish Independent or the Guardian that will polish this whole thing up to look like some poor disenfranchised black lad who just wasn't sure how to express himself so he did the only thing he knew how and lashed out with a machete?
This is it, hang on there now until we have your opinion ready for you.
I can almost picture Chris typing away frantically even as I write this. I wonder what interesting comeback he'll.have for us all now.
While we wait, how's everyone's new year going?
Quote from: Bigmac on January 02, 2021, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 12:16:22 PM
Some woke bollox written in the Irish Independent or the Guardian that will polish this whole thing up to look like some poor disenfranchised black lad who just wasn't sure how to express himself so he did the only thing he knew how and lashed out with a machete?
This is it, hang on there now until we have your opinion ready for you.
Exactly that....
:laugh:
All good Pedro. Gonna have a sober day today, how bout you?
Somewhere in France a laptop is currently catching fire. :laugh:
Merde!
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 12:34:56 PM
I can almost picture Chris typing away frantically even as I write this. I wonder what interesting comeback he'll.have for us all now.
While we wait, how's everyone's new year going?
I just seen this as soon as I posted about the laptop. :laugh:
All good here Pierre. I'm on my way into town to spend my now dry and newly acquired €50.... 8)
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 12:34:56 PM
While we wait, how's everyone's new year going?
Pretty good actually, nice quiet start to it. Makes a change from so many years waking up in a heap on New Years Day. Hope yours is good!
Reliable source seems to be throwing up comprehension difficulty. How about, any source then, even if it's "I heard from a mate who read a tweet that said he hit his girlfriend in the face with a hammer."
It boils down to this; you're up on just as high a horse with respect to the BLM spin that's being put on this as I am with respect to the unconfirmed rumours you've related here. But, and this is the crucial part, going by the actual standards you've applied here as regards to what to believe (i.e. believing anything, even if it's not confirmed, because it fits a "larger picture" narrative), then why shouldn't the black community believe race was a determinant issue? Why should they not believe and relate unconfirmed, emotionally charged notions if that's exactly what you're doing? How high exactly is that horse??
It's neigh as high as your one. That's for sure.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 02, 2021, 12:45:17 PM
... then why shouldn't the black community believe race was a determinant issue?
There'll be no convincing them otherwise, unfortunately. Their minds are made up on that one.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 02, 2021, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 02, 2021, 12:45:17 PM
... then why shouldn't the black community believe race was a determinant issue?
There'll be no convincing them otherwise, unfortunately. Their minds are made up on that one.
:laugh: perfect
Just build a big wall around Blanch and leave them be. No one will miss the kip
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 12:49:31 PM
It's neigh as high as your one. That's for sure.
On fire today ye are :laugh:
Would you not donate that 50 euros to the 'save the poor starving kids in Clonee' fund, instead of using it for your own personal pleasure?
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 02, 2021, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 02, 2021, 12:45:17 PM
... then why shouldn't the black community believe race was a determinant issue?
There'll be no convincing them otherwise, unfortunately. Their minds are made up on that one.
:laugh: perfect
Facile, more like: There'll be equally no convincing the white nationalists that this guy wasn't just what they will say is yet another symptom of the inherent impossibility of integrating communities from different backgrounds, rather than, say, a failure of government (as you said yourself) to establish these communities according to proper guidelines, or - if it turn out to be the case - a failure to properly engage with warnings of mental health issues, especially in young people who were close to murder victims. You won't be able to convince those white nationalists of any of that. And I know you're reading this, and I know it's all going in on some level, even though you're refusing to engage with it, but all that insistence on supposed previous convictions is a core part of the false narrative that integration will never and can never work. So, go ahead, do what you like with all that, but that's what is going on, that is why you heard what you heard about Nkencho's supposed past, not by accident. Propaganda, pure and simple. Yes, BLM is propaganda too; but sure any old schmoe can recognize propaganda that's not aimed at him- or herself.
White Nationalists? There is a huge supply-demand issue with these mysterious characters. The demand is clearly there, as you prove with your bogeyman argument, but outside of an insignificantly tiny number of screwballs with zero influence in anything, they are extremely thin on the ground, particularly in Ireland. Of course, the post modernist take on the term puts anyone who leans to the right as a Nazi.
BLM and woke capitalism running the planet should be of more concern.
White nationalists? What in the hell are you talking about? I have no interest whatesoever in them clowns. AND we can always have excuses. I lived out there. There's loads of people with jobs and lives and families but as usual the scum drag it down because we allow them.to. There's zero reason for someone to be wielding a knife in the streets of Clonee other than being a complete degenerate. But we keep making excuses for them. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. Life was way worse in the 80's. There was real unemployment, we had the troubles etc. But nowadays? Get a job. Get your shit in order and let's stop making excuses for any of these thugs, be they black white or whatever, because that's what they're trying to do.
This is gone quare daft. Back to social media to inform myself.
Nationalists who are white, "patriots". White Irish people who are anti-immigration and anti-immigrant. There are lots of them, and their influence is large enough to be found right here, sometimes knowingly, sometimes not. Either way, what difference does it make whether one is taken in by a movement of a thousand or a million?? The bullshit turned up here; whatever size the movement, it is part of the narrative they put out there. And still not once engaged with the question of how that list of previous convictions came to you, or why it entered your mind as fact. You should recognize the source of that type of questioning of the self from previous discussions outside of this forum.
So if you are a nationalist and you are white, you are a 'white nationalist'? (everyone here knows what that expression means perfectly well, including you)
That is either wilfully dishonest, irresponsible or a completely dumb thing to say.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 02, 2021, 03:00:41 PM
There'll be equally no convincing the white nationalists that this guy wasn't just what they will say is yet another symptom of the inherent impossibility of integrating communities from different backgrounds...
Equating those who recognise the failures of diversity, to White Nationalists who would hate based on skin colour, is a bit much.
Diversity and proximity will always yield some sort of friction due to inherent differences in culture, customs, religion, history and the like. But if any time someone who is white brings this up, and is immediately called a racist, it's probably going to start making more actual racists.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 03:29:14 PM
So if you are a nationalist and you are white, you are a 'white nationalist'? (everyone here knows what that expression means perfectly well, including you)
That is either wilfully dishonest, irresponsible or a completely dumb thing to say.
To be honest, I'm not really sure what I'd call the kind of people who agree with the likes of Grand Torino, either in general or from time to time. I've a fair few in my extended family, who I've no wish to baldly insult, but they are anti-immigrant. So, I'll have to say it's a thing to say for lack of a better thing to say...closest to completely dumb!
I think the majority of people are willing to see what stems from the investigation, if any improvements can be made regards training protocols, deescalation attempts etc. My bro was in the Gards and he said the quality in terms of training/crisis situation handling between garda stations can be staggering. And yes - point towards mental health funding, resources for education, try revitalise these areas before they really go off the cliff and said communities should bind together to put pressure on government and local TDs to turn things around.
I'm sick of the extremes taking away from these common sense narratives or others trying to point to these extremes to negate the middle ground which the likes of twitter/facebook does very well in highlighting these crazy comments for people to get sucked in and continue to mindlessly engage on said sites (astfgyl had a good post on that side of things in this thread). I'll agree with BSC that it's important the facts are laid out and bullshit from both sides and the whataboutery gets us nowhere.
It's Orwellian to think that being wary of mass immigration is enough to be branded a white nationalist, as in, along the lines of the AWB, Combat 18, the LVF etc.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
It's Orwellian to think that being wary of mass immigration is enough to be branded a white nationalist, as in, along the lines of the AWB, Combat 18, the LVF etc.
I meant that they're nationalists, in the Irish sense, and also white, and also anti-immigrant.
Yeah, but you know what 'white nationalist' implies.
I'm finally having a look at this Grand Torino lad...Why am I not surprised that annoying shitbag John Waters is on loads of his videos. Seems like the simple mans Dave Cullen, aka Computing Forever.
I don't know, I find this kind of guff very hard to take seriously from Irish lads.
Quote from: The Butcher on January 02, 2021, 03:41:55 PM
I think the majority of people are willing to see what stems from the investigation, if any improvements can be made regards training protocols, deescalation attempts etc. My bro was in the Gards and he said the quality in terms of training/crisis situation handling between garda stations can be staggering. And yes - point towards mental health funding, resources for education, try revitalise these areas before they really go off the cliff and said communities should bind together to put pressure on government and local TDs to turn things around.
I'm sick of the extremes taking away from these common sense narratives or others trying to point to these extremes to negate the middle ground which the likes of twitter/facebook does very well in highlighting these crazy comments for people to get sucked in and continue to mindlessly engage on said sites (astfgyl had a good post on that side of things in this thread). I'll agree with BSC that it's important the facts are laid out and bullshit from both sides and the whataboutery gets us nowhere.
There's nobody here being extreme. Clonee and that area are not poor areas. This is a middle class/working class area with some ropier spots around it. I personally really didn't like living there because it is a suburban sprawl. That said, there is the world of green areas, there are sports clubs, cinemas, shops, the whole lot. One lad walks.down the street with a knife and suddenly the whole.area is an issue. YES, I didn't like it. Doesn't mean it's Baghdad.
'Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values. People tend to unconsciously select information that supports their views, but ignore non-supportive information'.
I would argue that trawling twitter for white nationalists is a perfect example of confirmation bias. I would argue that a Lord Mayor taking the unprecedented step to send condolences to a violent criminal's family in a police shooting incident, ONLY because of his background is condirmation bias.
I'm talking about the middle ground here, not some Gran Torino gonshitery or SJW nonsense. If someone, anyone, walks around my area brandishing a weapon, I don't want a Garda to hesitate because of skin colour or whatever factors will be pulled to pieces by the public after. We're all experts it seems in how to deescalate these situations, but there was a big team of professionals on the scene and you can bet the decision wasn't taken lightly. The idea that he was shot because of his skin colour is absolutely insulting tbh, especially when we look at the rareness of police shootings in our country and some of the rhetoric is completely out of control.
I found most of the white nationalist stuff while looking up your claims of previous convictions.
Where are Mugz and Ducky when you need them?
The voices of reason..
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 03:58:54 PM
'Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values. People tend to unconsciously select information that supports their views, but ignore non-supportive information'.
Confirmation bias is also having equal evidence (i.e. nothing concrete, nothing factual) to accept or reject that Nkencho was either a) seriously mentally disturbed, or b) a multiple violent recidivist, and accepting as fact the latter but poo-pooing the former.
Mugz sent me a PM once telling me not to engage with Chris (assuming I'd never come across him) because he was (and I quote) a mid level sociopath who has been terrorising three versions of this board for 20 years 😂
Poor Mugz
Is this Grand Torino lad a spoof? I'm watching a video of him talking to a very articulate white South African talking about the land expropriation issue there, and this lad Ronan is drawing comparisons to Ireland in a decidedly inarticulate way.
I'd be generally sympathetic with the views on abortion , controlling immigration etc, but this guy is like an annoying half pissed loud mouth down in the pub roasting the ear off ya.
Worryingly, looking at his bookshelf behind him, we have some of the same books, but just an Antony Beevor and Mr Nice that I can see...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 03:53:39 PM
Yeah, but you know what 'white nationalist' implies.
I'm finally having a look at this Grand Torino lad...Why am I not surprised that annoying shitbag John Waters is on loads of his videos. Seems like the simple mans Dave Cullen, aka Computing Forever.
I don't know, I find this kind of guff very hard to take seriously from Irish lads.
Especially seeing as the cunt Torino served in the British army. I see some of my friends spouting his nonsense. Very sad to see.
Which views? This kind of identitarianism is inevitable when you have this sudden spike in immigration, but he's so incoherent that it's hard to take him seriously.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 04:36:25 PM
Is this Grand Torino lad a spoof? I'm watching a video of him talking to a very articulate white South African talking about the land expropriation issue there, and this lad Ronan is drawing comparisons to Ireland in a decidedly inarticulate way.
I'd be generally sympathetic with the views on abortion , controlling immigration etc, but this guy is like an annoying half pissed loud mouth down in the pub roasting the ear off ya.
Worryingly, looking at his bookshelf behind him, we have some of the same books, but just an Antony Beevor and Mr Nice that I can see...
I listened to him for 20 minutes one time and turned him off. An absolute waffler of the barstool variety.
I'd wager he has a small core of listeners. The average joe on the street has no idea who the fuck that lad is and doesn't care either. And the average joe is who we need to be thinking about when throwing around wild allegations of deep rooted racism in Ireland etc when there is plemty of proof to the contrary.
That'd by my assumption. He has no idea how to engage with his audience, and he's a boring fucker. I hate abortion and policing speech etc. but nodding his head to everything O'Doherty says, uber deference to Waters and complete waffle fests...no thanks. I'll stick to Gavin McInnes.
Yep he's a spa. There were always people ripping on about that Paddywhackery, Ireland for the Irish, 'bleedin black taxi drivers' shite. I didn't realise people gave a fuck what they said. I always just think of them as backwards thicks. I'm not sure if too many decent minded people waste their time on such bollox.
I do!
So ignoring any possible previous convictions he may or may not have had, ignoring any robbery earlier in the day he may or may not have done, the one absolute verifiable fact is he lunged at a gard with a machete
Again, he may or may not have had severe mental issues, but at what point does that come secondary to him being a danger to society. For me, I'd say when he lunges at someone with a machete is pretty high up the list
Quote from: Trev on January 02, 2021, 05:09:14 PM
So ignoring any possible previous convictions he may or may not have had, ignoring any robbery earlier in the day he may or may not have done, the one absolute verifiable fact is he lunged at a gard with a machete
Again, he may or may not have had severe mental issues, but at what point does that come secondary to him being a danger to society. For me, I'd say when he lunges at someone with a machete is pretty high up the list
It wasn't just a machete. It was a butter knife that doubles up as a machete when police appear.
Lunging at someone with a machete is a sign of respect and a way to welcome people into your home in the favelas of Clonee. But you'd know that of course if you didn't spend all your time goose stepping around with that filthy tricolour of yours you absolute racist.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 05:16:33 PM
Lunging at someone with a machete is a sign of respect and a way to welcome people into your home in the favelas of Clonee. But you'd know that of course if you didn't spend all your time goose stepping around with that filthy tricolour of yours you absolute racist.
You talkin to me or Chris?
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 05:16:33 PM
Lunging at someone with a machete is a sign of respect and a way to welcome people into your home in the favelas of Clonee. But you'd know that of course if you didn't spend all your time goose stepping around with that filthy tricolour of yours you absolute racist.
I was in the middle of typing something similar and this popped up :laugh:
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 05:16:33 PM
Lunging at someone with a machete is a sign of respect and a way to welcome people into your home in the favelas of Clonee. But you'd know that of course if you didn't spend all your time goose stepping around with that filthy tricolour of yours you absolute racist.
You talkin to me or Chris?
Both of you :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
I hinted at this a good while back. Only a matter of time I believe with the poison that is spread by these lunatics on the far left.
Sure Adáilf was half potato, no?
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
I hinted at this a good while back. Only a matter of time I believe with the poison that is spread by these lunatics on the far left.
In my experience most people carrying a tri colour (outside a sporting event where Ireland are playing) are fucking numptys.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
Yeah, but the milkshake got shoved back in their face.
https://youtu.be/sssFGhS0tcI
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 04:25:14 PM
Mugz sent me a PM once telling me not to engage with Chris (assuming I'd never come across him) because he was (and I quote) a mid level sociopath who has been terrorising three versions of this board for 20 years 😂
Only mid-level? Geez, even when clinically diagnosing me he had to slip in some additional petty denigration! :laugh:
Milkshaking? Whas dah?
The only shaking I'd be doing is with my tongue in between Kelis' arsecheeks..
https://youtu.be/6AwXKJoKJz4
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
Yeah, but the milkshake got shoved back in their face.
https://youtu.be/sssFGhS0tcI
Paper beats rock.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
Yeah, but the milkshake got shoved back in their face.
https://youtu.be/sssFGhS0tcI
Glorious :)
A few of those guards were clearly itching to pummel those fagets.
'Under what section'
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 02, 2021, 05:35:34 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 04:25:14 PM
Mugz sent me a PM once telling me not to engage with Chris (assuming I'd never come across him) because he was (and I quote) a mid level sociopath who has been terrorising three versions of this board for 20 years 😂
Only mid-level? Geez, even when clinically diagnosing me he had to slip in some additional petty denigration! :laugh:
Apart from a few Ted Bundy PMs from Dark Stranger on MI, it was definitely the strangest one I've ever had.
'Mid-level sociopath' 😂
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 02, 2021, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
Would you consider every fanny dressed up in that black bloc shite to be a giant mincing queer also?
I hinted at this a good while back. Only a matter of time I believe with the poison that is spread by these lunatics on the far left.
In my experience most people carrying a tri colour (outside a sporting event where Ireland are playing) are fucking numptys.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
Yeah, but the milkshake got shoved back in their face.
https://youtu.be/sssFGhS0tcI
Glorious :)
A few of those guards were clearly itching to pummel those fagets.
'Under what section'
I'd say the Guards are even more Red Pilled now... :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 02, 2021, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 02, 2021, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:19:00 PM
Is waving an Irish flag around in public a 'milkshaking' matter these days? That's a serious question.
Would you consider every fanny dressed up in that black bloc shite to be a giant mincing queer also?
I hinted at this a good while back. Only a matter of time I believe with the poison that is spread by these lunatics on the far left.
In my experience most people carrying a tri colour (outside a sporting event where Ireland are playing) are fucking numptys.
:laugh: :laugh:
Right, it's drink o'clock and I bid you all a good Saturday evening. Even you leftie gobshites.... Xx
You'll be back with a few scoopíns on board, no doubt about it :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 05:57:11 PM
You'll be back with a few scoopíns on board, no doubt about it :)
Sin duda
I have a drinks zoom with mates at 8. Gonna get messy.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 02, 2021, 04:25:14 PM
Mugz sent me a PM once telling me not to engage with Chris (assuming I'd never come across him) because he was (and I quote) a mid level sociopath who has been terrorising three versions of this board for 20 years 😂
He sent me some decent ones as well and then got paranoid about the answers, thought they were somehow Masonic symbols.
Still think he was good craic around the board though, I didn't mind him at all.
What happened to ducky?
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 02, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
I have a drinks zoom with mates at 8. Gonna get messy.
New Year's was an 8 hour, 3 time zone zoom here; it got very messy but was great. After you click share screen, if you go to the advanced tab you can click to share audio, which means one person can act as DJ and it really fleshes out zooms as sesh substitute.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 02, 2021, 07:12:22 PM
Still think he was good craic around the board though, I didn't mind him at all.
Yeah I thought he was good fun too. If anything, just trying to make heads or tails of what he was getting at was a laugh.
Found myself typing the most bizarre phrases into Google.
Stenchy was online here a couple of days ago. He didn't post anything though.
I miss him, ha. Let's just say he was passionate about his music (and imaginary band).
Think someone mentioned this on this thread...
https://youtu.be/e1aBxdSoPjw
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 08:14:07 PM
Think someone mentioned this on this thread...
https://youtu.be/e1aBxdSoPjw
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_3_-UrhZH0&ab_channel=TheHopeCountyChoir-Topic
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 02, 2021, 07:14:14 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 02, 2021, 07:05:37 PM
I have a drinks zoom with mates at 8. Gonna get messy.
New Year's was an 8 hour, 3 time zone zoom here; it got very messy but was great. After you click share screen, if you go to the advanced tab you can click to share audio, which means one person can act as DJ and it really fleshes out zooms as sesh substitute.
Nice one. Getting on that right now.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 02, 2021, 08:14:07 PM
Think someone mentioned this on this thread...
https://youtu.be/e1aBxdSoPjw
I double dare them to do the same thing, only with Mohammed or Allah.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 02, 2021, 07:33:45 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 02, 2021, 07:12:22 PM
Still think he was good craic around the board though, I didn't mind him at all.
Yeah I thought he was good fun too. If anything, just trying to make heads or tails of what he was getting at was a laugh.
Found myself typing the most bizarre phrases into Google.
Lol yeah me as well!
Gardai showing themselves to be as disconnected from reality as I am by worrying about lies being spread in both narratives. There's just no reasoning with them!
QuoteAn Garda Síochána is "very concerned" by "lies" being circulated widely online by "fascists and racists" falsely stating that the dead man, who had mental health problems, had more than 30 criminal convictions.
In fact the 27-year-old had no criminal convictions at all.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-worry-over-nkencho-shooting-lies-39924798.html
Of course, natural disclaimer, it's not impossible that the communist BLM LGBTQ 5G COVID conspiracy has infiltrated to the highest levels of the police and they're lying about the criminal record. Only time will tell. I for one am absolutely shocked to discover that people have in fact been fabricating stuff to make a bad egg immigrant look even worse, it's so...unprecedented, I mean, how could anyone ever possibly have predicted that that might happen unless they paid the mildest amount of attention to similar events of the past?
What that article refers to as 'racial tension' is code for tension between the tracksuit wearing tricolour twirlers and the the limp wristed lispy poofs in the black hoodies.
Perhaps, but most importantly, what it refers to as "lies" is code for "lies".
T'would appear so.
I can't even remember who was at the other side of that discussion with you, literally everyone else had moved on from what Pedro referred to as "noise" on both left and right, but hey, you keep running with that baton.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 07:00:34 PM
Gardai showing themselves to be as disconnected from reality as I am by worrying about lies being spread in both narratives. There's just no reasoning with them!
QuoteAn Garda Síochána is "very concerned" by "lies" being circulated widely online by "fascists and racists" falsely stating that the dead man, who had mental health problems, had more than 30 criminal convictions.
In fact the 27-year-old had no criminal convictions at all.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-worry-over-nkencho-shooting-lies-39924798.html
Of course, natural disclaimer, it's not impossible that the communist BLM LGBTQ 5G COVID conspiracy has infiltrated to the highest levels of the police and they're lying about the criminal record. Only time will tell. I for one am absolutely shocked to discover that people have in fact been fabricating stuff to make a bad egg immigrant look even worse, it's so...unprecedented, I mean, how could anyone ever possibly have predicted that that might happen unless they paid the mildest amount of attention to similar events of the past?
In one sentence they berate people for sharing that he had convictions, without proof, while promoting the idea that mental heath issues played a role, without proof. Strange one. Unless I've missed it being confirmed somewhere.
With sourcing being so important, would they not tell us who these "fascists" are? Seems a bit wishy washy for an article regarding unsourced claims.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 03, 2021, 07:29:06 PM
but hey, you keep running with that baton.
The baton of "intelligent people should take ownership of and responsibility for the incriminating unconfirmed stuff they communicate to others"? You can be sure of it. People need to learn to recognize what has a high chance of being bullshit. It's really surprisingly easy. And if it annoys people to hear that, well, that's also part of human nature, to be accepted or overcome, as one wishes.
This video is blatant and unabashedly racist, yet YouTube does not take it down. The like/dislike ratio tells its own story, but it's outrageous shit like this is allowed on YouTube and calling a person with a penis and a wig a man on Twitter can get you the jail.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BYZ2XoaBO2A
Strange that the Gardaí would even release a statement of that sort. I've never seen anything like it released, EVER, for crimes committed in our country. We've hard Gardaí murdered intentionally by assassins and never once was the mental health of the murderer discussed. Obviously a directive from above and meant to placate a section of the community who are seen as different, as volatile..in many ways that is such a racist view of things, and it's the powers that be that are making the distinction and I think they're making a massive mistake.
You'd wonder who the victims are in all of this? Why are they so intent on making this different to every other crime committed in our country? Is he not considered Irish? Should the law be different because he is a different colour? I get Chris' obsession about details to a point but lets review the very serious details revealed in the article he linked above:
'Earlier he had twice been tasered by gardaí, as well as pepper sprayed, after he attacked a Eurospar manager and threatened gardaí with a knife during a 30-minute stand-off during which he was repeatedly asked to drop the knife he was brandishing'.
Is this ok behaviour or am I just out of touch or old fashioned or something? A Garda had to shoot someone. It's a big deal in our country it doesn't happen much and I've seen loads od rumours fly about in relation to previous 'big news stories' that were subsequently proved wrong as details emerged. That's my view of it all. Any attempt to sway this to some support for right wing nonsense can go fuck itself as far as I'm concerned as I believe the attempt to swing it towards a left wing narrative has already done enough damage as is.
John Carthy's mental health was absolutely central to the situation.
I'm also quite confused as to why, in an article that states that a direct threat was made by a member of the public against Gardai, that that the focus of attention is on an incorrect meme.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 08:04:45 PM
I'm also quite confused as to why, in an article that states that a direct threat was made by a member of the public against Gardai, that that the focus of attention is on an incorrect meme.
This is, in a word, just a thick thing to say.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 08:05:42 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 08:04:45 PM
I'm also quite confused as to why, in an article that states that a direct threat was made by a member of the public against Gardai, that that the focus of attention is on an incorrect meme.
This is, in a word, just a thick thing to say.
Do go on.
No, it doesn't merit any more than that. Pedro's points do though:
Quote from: Pedrito on January 03, 2021, 07:56:13 PM
Strange that the Gardaí would even release a statement of that sort. I've never seen anything like it released, EVER, for crimes committed in our country. We've hard Gardaí murdered intentionally by assassins and never once was the mental health of the murderer discussed. Obviously a directive from above and meant to placate a section of the community who are seen as different, as volatile..in many ways that is such a racist view of things, and it's the powers that be that are making the distinction and I think they're making a massive mistake.
You'd wonder who the victims are in all of this? Why are they so intent on making this different to every other crime committed in our country? Is he not considered Irish? Should the law be different because he is a different colour?
The reason that you don't get it is because you're downplaying the potential danger of racial tension. The gardai are not. Do you know better than the gardai what the racial tensions are like today [edit - in these communities you used to live in], in 2021, after, what, more than a decade of immigration?
To answer your hypotheticals, though not in the way you intended, no, he's not considered Irish by the anti-immigrant movement (soft, hard, in-between). He's not considered an Irish person with mental health problems; he's considered a multiple recidivist African "animal", which some believe is typical of all African immigrants (many more than you seem willing to believe too). It's different to other crimes because the perpetrator has been killed, so they have to treat it with extra care. After John Carthy was killed by police, an FBI team was brought in by the gardai to investigate...so it's totally normal for a case like this to be treated differently and with extra care which pays attention to whatever particularities are specific to it. In this case, racial tensions are one of those things. The gardai are doing their job now just as much as they were doing their job when they decided he had to be taken down. In the latter instance, that fit with how you see the world, so you applauded; in the former instance, it challenges how you see the world, so you doubt. Confirmation bias once again.
There are tensions of all kinds between different groups living cheek by jowl, and this has been the case for as long as history has been recorded. In the last decade, and amplified by the Floyd killing, however, if one of those groups happens to black, God bless and praise us, you'd need a brass ring piece not to shit yourself if you're on the other side of it.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 07:36:23 PM
In one sentence they berate people for sharing that he had convictions, without proof, while promoting the idea that mental heath issues played a role, without proof. Strange one. Unless I've missed it being confirmed somewhere.
They've already said, as the family have also confirmed, that he was known to them for some amount of time as someone who had mental health issues, so presumably from their house visits the police as an entity had first-hand experience of this.
Ok lads, does anyone here think this shooting was racially motivated? No.
Does everyone here know that the story will be distorted to fuck as it Chinese whispers its way around social media and word of mouth? Yes.
Will it fuel needless racial tension? Of course it fucking will.
It's really fucking annoying.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 07:36:23 PM
In one sentence they berate people for sharing that he had convictions, without proof, while promoting the idea that mental heath issues played a role, without proof. Strange one. Unless I've missed it being confirmed somewhere.
They've already said, as the family have also confirmed, that he was known to them for some amount of time as someone who had mental health issues, so presumably from their house visits the police as an entity had first-hand experience of this.
I hadn't heard of the police previously visiting.
It seems the family themselves had protection orders against him, as he posed a risk to their safety:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-had-to-shoot-george-nkencho-under-public-safety-protocols-wkg5vk6mf
QuoteOfficers say they had previously been called to deal with disturbances arising from his behaviour at the house in Manorfields. Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety.
I haven't seen that particular detail in any Irish sources.
What does mental health issues mean? When the guards are getting called regularly to a house because of unruly behaviour is "mental health issues" a polite way of saying violent scumbag? No doubt there are mental health issues at play whenever you have a violent person who creates regular problems within their household, but where's the line between the mental health issue and the scumbaggery?
If he happened to be off medication for scizophrenia, for example. then where does the blame lie? With the man? With his parents? With his carers? With his doctor? With the guards?
Again, having the whole thing reduced to "BLM- defund de pigz, ACAB etc" on one side and typical blanket anti-immigration attitudes on the other is a side show, a distraction from the issue.
But again, how do we draw the distinction between a sick person and a violent scumbag?
One of my good friends sister is a guard in that station in blanchardstown and this fella was well known to them and in her own words he was a scumbag and previously had been causing plenty of shit.
She said the last few days in there have been the worst she's ever experienced.
To make an obvious point, his having a criminal record is not a deal breaker for him being a scumbag.
Quote from: blessed1 on January 03, 2021, 08:47:02 PM
One of my good friends sister is a guard in that station in blanchardstown and this fella was well known to them and in her own words he was a scumbag and previously had been causing plenty of shit.
Ask her if the police are lying about him having no previous convictions then. Because if he was a scumbag who had previously caused plenty of shit, then it's also up to the police to explain why there were no previous convictions. Most proper scumbags I've known have racked up at least a couple by the time they're 27. If he had done anything even on the same spectrum as what got him killed, there should have been something official on record.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 07:36:23 PM
QuoteOfficers say they had previously been called to deal with disturbances arising from his behaviour at the house in Manorfields. Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety.
I haven't seen that particular detail in any Irish sources.
This is my whole point. They're walking on eggshells here when they shouldn't be. We're only being given a watered down version by the Irish media and we should all be well used to that by now. Wink, wink, read between the lines journalism. The Mayor of Dublin and Minister of Justice went out of their ways to send condolences to the family of a lad who was shot because he might have taken them hostage. Are we living in the twilight zone here?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: blessed1 on January 03, 2021, 08:47:02 PM
One of my good friends sister is a guard in that station in blanchardstown and this fella was well known to them and in her own words he was a scumbag and previously had been causing plenty of shit.
Ask her if the police are lying about him having no previous convictions then. Because if he was a scumbag who had previously caused plenty of shit, then it's also up to the police to explain why there were no previous convictions. Most proper scumbags I've known have racked up at least a couple by the time they're 27. If he had done anything even on the same spectrum as what got him killed, there should have been something official on record.
I'll ask my friend about that tomorrow.
And for what it's worth I do agree with everything you have said about the misinformation being spread around by both sides.
She did say that last year there was an incident where it took about 12 guards to restrain him as he was being extremely violent with them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 07:00:34 PM
Gardai showing themselves to be as disconnected from reality as I am by worrying about lies being spread in both narratives. There's just no reasoning with them!
QuoteAn Garda Síochána is "very concerned" by "lies" being circulated widely online by "fascists and racists" falsely stating that the dead man, who had mental health problems, had more than 30 criminal convictions.
In fact the 27-year-old had no criminal convictions at all.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-worry-over-nkencho-shooting-lies-39924798.html
Of course, natural disclaimer, it's not impossible that the communist BLM LGBTQ 5G COVID conspiracy has infiltrated to the highest levels of the police and they're lying about the criminal record. Only time will tell. I for one am absolutely shocked to discover that people have in fact been fabricating stuff to make a bad egg immigrant look even worse, it's so...unprecedented, I mean, how could anyone ever possibly have predicted that that might happen unless they paid the mildest amount of attention to similar events of the past?
As the old saying goes: YOU'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST (KNIFE WIELD IN PUBLIC) MISTAKE....
I'm being pedantic, but the guards can only charge, they can't convict anyone.
:-[
Quel Oncle Tom! Pais vrai, mon p'tit?!
😂😂😂
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 07:00:34 PM
Of course, natural disclaimer, it's not impossible that the communist BLM LGBTQ 5G COVID conspiracy has infiltrated to the highest levels of the police and they're lying about the criminal record. Only time will tell. I for one am absolutely shocked to discover that people have in fact been fabricating stuff to make a bad egg immigrant look even worse, it's so...unprecedented, I mean, how could anyone ever possibly have predicted that that might happen unless they paid the mildest amount of attention to similar events of the past?
So wait a minute, right wing loons who are spreading lies about this guy are bad (which is correct), but all of the left wing loons who are not only going on like the Gardai are a racist organisation hellbent on killing black people, but are spreading their own deceiving narrative totally aren't just as bad?
Dublin's own Lord Mayor Hazel Chu was actively spreading misinformation on her twitter account and reposting advice for the 'protesters' on how they should hide their identity, effectively promoting a riot. Ruth Coppinger attempted to swerve the narrative by saying he was brandishing a knife "but was unarmed otherwise". Brid Smith is also still contradicting the Guards version of events claiming there was no weapon despite the video evidence, why is it just the right wing loons that get called out on it?
Not to mention these are actual politicians with influence saying this stuff, not just faceless trolls online.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 03, 2021, 09:38:39 PM
:-[
Bit racist there from malcolm but we'll forgive him given the context of time and place.
But was unarmed otherwise!! :laugh:
What the fuck does "but unarmed otherwise" mean??? He wasn't in a tank?
Quote from: ldj on January 03, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
So wait a minute, right wing loons who are spreading lies about this guy are bad (which is correct), but all of the left wing loons who are not only going on like the Gardai are a racist organisation hellbent on killing black people, but are spreading their own deceiving narrative totally aren't just as bad?
No one in this discussion here has made claims from the unconfirmed "left" stuff that's circulating, so there was no need to address it in this discussion.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: ldj on January 03, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
So wait a minute, right wing loons who are spreading lies about this guy are bad (which is correct), but all of the left wing loons who are not only going on like the Gardai are a racist organisation hellbent on killing black people, but are spreading their own deceiving narrative totally aren't just as bad?
No one in this discussion here has made claims from the unconfirmed "left" stuff that's circulating, so there was no need to address it in this discussion.
This is a very complex issue. I'd imagine all angles and positions on this are worth discussing.
And particularly, why a close relative of a dead scumbag is allowed to publicly bay for the blood of a member of An Garda Síochána but yet more focus being paid to the fact some internet twat spread misinformation about said scumbag.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 03, 2021, 10:08:20 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: ldj on January 03, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
So wait a minute, right wing loons who are spreading lies about this guy are bad (which is correct), but all of the left wing loons who are not only going on like the Gardai are a racist organisation hellbent on killing black people, but are spreading their own deceiving narrative totally aren't just as bad?
No one in this discussion here has made claims from the unconfirmed "left" stuff that's circulating, so there was no need to address it in this discussion.
This is a very complex issue. I'd imagine all angles and positions on this are worth discussing.
And particularly, why a close relative of a dead scumbag is allowed to publicly bay for the blood of a member of An Garda Síochána but yet more focus being paid to the fact some internet twat spread misinformation about said scumbag.
This is, in a word, just a thick thing to say.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 03, 2021, 10:08:20 PM
This is a very complex issue. I'd imagine all angles and positions on this are worth discussing.
Did you just get sober all of a sudden? :laugh:
About the point you raise, the Indo article I linked has the gardai speaking directly to both dimensions you mention:
Quote"On the one hand, there were threats being made against the garda who fired the shots. On the other side, lies are being circulated about the man who died claiming he was a criminal when he was not."
What constitutes being a criminal? Serious question
Quote from: astfgyl on January 03, 2021, 10:36:24 PM
What constitutes being a criminal? Serious question
Every person accused of a criminal offence in Ireland is innocent until proven guilty. So, in strict legal terms, an individual can't be referred to as a criminal unless they have been found guilty of a crime. In strict legal terms...being, presumably, the ones the police are choosing to use here.
Grand I'm in the clear so if it's only convictions.
I haven't followed the story too closely since the initial reports and I'm sticking with leave it out on all sides because the only certainty at this stage is that it happened and the rest is only speculation, even what the guards are saying
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 07:36:23 PM
In one sentence they berate people for sharing that he had convictions, without proof, while promoting the idea that mental heath issues played a role, without proof. Strange one. Unless I've missed it being confirmed somewhere.
They've already said, as the family have also confirmed, that he was known to them for some amount of time as someone who had mental health issues, so presumably from their house visits the police as an entity had first-hand experience of this.
I hadn't heard of the police previously visiting.
It seems the family themselves had protection orders against him, as he posed a risk to their safety:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-had-to-shoot-george-nkencho-under-public-safety-protocols-wkg5vk6mf
QuoteOfficers say they had previously been called to deal with disturbances arising from his behaviour at the house in Manorfields. Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety.
I haven't seen that particular detail in any Irish sources.
Needed to respond to this again properly.
They're walking on eggshells here when they shouldn't be. We're only being given a watered down version by the Irish media and we should all be well used to that by now. Wink, wink, read between the lines journalism. The Mayor of Dublin and Minister of Justice went out of their ways to send condolences to the family of a lad who was shot because he might have taken them hostage. Are we living in the twilight zone here?
That Times article is interesting alright, precisely because - as Pedro says - it contains things claimed to have been said by police (I say claimed because it doesn't contain any direct quotes from the guards, unlike some of the Irish articles previously posted), which haven't appeared in Irish articles. Interestingly though, it's things which fall on both sides of how this story is being pulled, whereas if there was a motivated silencing going on in Irish journalism, we should expect anything new from foreign sources to contain mainly things from only the non mainstream Irish side.
Since it's behind a paywall, I'll post the text here, and then cancel the trial I started to access it:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-had-to-shoot-george-nkencho-under-public-safety-protocols-wkg5vk6mf
QuoteGardai 'had to shoot' George Nkencho under public safety protocols
Officers claim they feared stabbing or hostage situation as protest marches follow killing in Clonee
Gardai involved in the death of George Nkencho, who was shot in his mother's garden after lunging at officers with a knife, insist that lethal force was their only option as they feared that the 27-year-old could stab a garda or take hostages if allowed into his family home.
Minutes before the shooting, officers had tried to subdue Nkencho with pepper spray and a Taser gun.
The death on Wednesday led to criticism and demonstrations in west Dublin — including one outside Blanchardstown garda station yesterday — but garda sources maintain they followed procedure.
Gardai were called after Nkencho assaulted staff at a supermarket in Hartstown, a suburb near the Dublin-Meath border. One victim is said to have been punched in the face and others were threatened with a knife.
Nkencho, who had a history of mental health issues and threatening behaviour, was followed to his mother's home in Clonee by gardai. They say they repeatedly asked him to drop his weapon but he refused to do so.
Officers say they had previously been called to deal with disturbances arising from his behaviour at the house in Manorfields. Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety.
Nkencho did not live at the family home but had various addresses in Ireland and Britain. Some sources believe he was moving between properties in Ireland while others say he had returned from the UK to spend Christmas with his family.
After the shooting, some of the dead man's relatives met gardai from Blanchardstown and were told about the decision-making process used by officers at the scene. The force is continuing to offer counselling services to Blessing, the mother of the dead man. Counselling has also been offered to the officers involved in the incident.
Emmanuel Nkencho, the dead man's brother, said his family were devastated by the shooting. "My mother is heartbroken. I don't think she will ever be able to return to that house," he said.
The circumstances surrounding the incident led to protests that included members of the west African community in Dublin. These were organised on social media using the hashtags #JusticeForGeorge and #BlackLivesMatter. After one protest march outside Blanchardstown garda station on Thursday there were disturbances when a gang of youths attacked buses and motorists. A group of up to 150 people broke away from the main group and entered Blanchardstown shopping centre. They later blocked traffic.
Gardai were called to deal with multiple incidents in which members of the public and officers were threatened and intimidated. Security sources stressed that these incidents had nothing to do with the Nkencho family or friends. Some of those involved are thought to be members of a gang that has staged fights in Dublin city centre. Gardai made a decision not to deploy public order units in case it inflamed matters, but officers are looking at footage shared on social media to try to identify those involved.
Efforts are also being made to pin down the source of false information about Nkencho that was circulated on social media after the shooting.
Sunny Kalu, a member of the Nigerian community from Clonee, said that no one in the community condoned the disturbances that followed the shooting. "No one likes the narrative that is now emerging," he said. "People just want answers about what happened.
"Why didn't the gardai stop [George] when he was walking back to his house? There were 15 police officers at the scene. I just don't know why they couldn't pin him down." Kalu added that he did not believe the dead man's race was a factor in the shooting.
Gardai are preparing a policing plan for the dead man's funeral to ensure it complies with public health regulations.
One question from all this, which would be gathering volume much faster if race and false allegations of previous convictions weren't taking up so much space, is (and for the umpteenth time); what are we doing to address and deal with individuals with identified serious and potentially violent mental health issues in Ireland and other countries?
Just checking out the Twitter page of the (Irish) author of that Times article (https://twitter.com/johnmooneyst), and he has shared this tweet from earlier today:
https://twitter.com/TheDarkStatePod/status/1345720597024796675
QuoteReposting the Alt Ireland episode with @aoifegall which examined the rise of the Far Right in Ireland given the spread of online disinformation concerning the killing of #GeorgeNkencho
Quote from: astfgyl on January 03, 2021, 08:38:20 PM
as it Chinese whispers its way around social media and word of mouth
It's not a case of Chinese whispers. What has been disingenuously described here as "one incorrect meme", is in fact an orchestrated, multi-form misinformation campaign which was created from scratch; very different from rumours which get increasingly distorted. This is a lie created in easily shareable forms at point X and then communicated, in that same form, across the world. And you better believe that this story has already gone international among the right wing, including here in France. This shit is done, across the world, because it works, because it bears fruit. No amount of after-the-fact damage limitation or fact correction will wholly eliminate the antagonistic sentiment stoked by the initial emotional reaction stirred; it's neurobiological, it's real. The people who co-ordinate may not know the physiology of why it works, but they do know it works. Just, y'know, try to be aware of it next time something you hear via the internet gets your emotions up; that's when you're vulnerable to manipulation; that's where you get targeted. And that's the hard truth of it, aware or not, if you shared a lie about Nkonche, then you were either a direct or an indirect target of the people who created the content in the first place. It's real and it has consequences - if it didn't, they wouldn't do it. Groups like BLM are aware of this too, and certainly there are movements on the "left" who try to convince and manipulate by similar techniques...but no one here is a target for BLM, so you don't need to worry about getting duped by them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 11:57:23 PM
That Times article is interesting alright, precisely because - as Pedro says - it contains things claimed to have been said by police (I say claimed because it doesn't contain any direct quotes from the guards, unlike some of the Irish articles previously posted), which haven't appeared in Irish articles. Interestingly though, it's things which fall on both sides of how this story is being pulled, whereas if there was a motivated silencing going on in Irish journalism, we should expect anything new from foreign sources to contain mainly things from only the non mainstream Irish side.
Since it's behind a paywall, I'll post the text here, and then cancel the trial I started to access it:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-had-to-shoot-george-nkencho-under-public-safety-protocols-wkg5vk6mf
QuoteGardai 'had to shoot' George Nkencho under public safety protocols
Officers claim they feared stabbing or hostage situation as protest marches follow killing in Clonee
Gardai involved in the death of George Nkencho, who was shot in his mother's garden after lunging at officers with a knife, insist that lethal force was their only option as they feared that the 27-year-old could stab a garda or take hostages if allowed into his family home.
Minutes before the shooting, officers had tried to subdue Nkencho with pepper spray and a Taser gun.
The death on Wednesday led to criticism and demonstrations in west Dublin — including one outside Blanchardstown garda station yesterday — but garda sources maintain they followed procedure.
Gardai were called after Nkencho assaulted staff at a supermarket in Hartstown, a suburb near the Dublin-Meath border. One victim is said to have been punched in the face and others were threatened with a knife.
Nkencho, who had a history of mental health issues and threatening behaviour, was followed to his mother's home in Clonee by gardai. They say they repeatedly asked him to drop his weapon but he refused to do so.
Officers say they had previously been called to deal with disturbances arising from his behaviour at the house in Manorfields. Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety.
Nkencho did not live at the family home but had various addresses in Ireland and Britain. Some sources believe he was moving between properties in Ireland while others say he had returned from the UK to spend Christmas with his family.
After the shooting, some of the dead man's relatives met gardai from Blanchardstown and were told about the decision-making process used by officers at the scene. The force is continuing to offer counselling services to Blessing, the mother of the dead man. Counselling has also been offered to the officers involved in the incident.
Emmanuel Nkencho, the dead man's brother, said his family were devastated by the shooting. "My mother is heartbroken. I don't think she will ever be able to return to that house," he said.
The circumstances surrounding the incident led to protests that included members of the west African community in Dublin. These were organised on social media using the hashtags #JusticeForGeorge and #BlackLivesMatter. After one protest march outside Blanchardstown garda station on Thursday there were disturbances when a gang of youths attacked buses and motorists. A group of up to 150 people broke away from the main group and entered Blanchardstown shopping centre. They later blocked traffic.
Gardai were called to deal with multiple incidents in which members of the public and officers were threatened and intimidated. Security sources stressed that these incidents had nothing to do with the Nkencho family or friends. Some of those involved are thought to be members of a gang that has staged fights in Dublin city centre. Gardai made a decision not to deploy public order units in case it inflamed matters, but officers are looking at footage shared on social media to try to identify those involved.
Efforts are also being made to pin down the source of false information about Nkencho that was circulated on social media after the shooting.
Sunny Kalu, a member of the Nigerian community from Clonee, said that no one in the community condoned the disturbances that followed the shooting. "No one likes the narrative that is now emerging," he said. "People just want answers about what happened.
"Why didn't the gardai stop [George] when he was walking back to his house? There were 15 police officers at the scene. I just don't know why they couldn't pin him down." Kalu added that he did not believe the dead man's race was a factor in the shooting.
Gardai are preparing a policing plan for the dead man's funeral to ensure it complies with public health regulations.
One question from all this, which would be gathering volume much faster if race and false allegations of previous convictions weren't taking up so much space, is (and for the umpteenth time); what are we doing to address and deal with individuals with identified serious and potentially violent mental health issues in Ireland and other countries?
Is that not a Donald Trump argument?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 12:24:20 AM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 03, 2021, 08:38:20 PM
as it Chinese whispers its way around social media and word of mouth
It's not a case of Chinese whispers. What has been disingenuously described here as "one incorrect meme", is in fact an orchestrated, multi-form misinformation campaign which was created from scratch; very different from rumours which get increasingly distorted. This is a lie created in easily shareable forms at point X and then communicated, in that same form, across the world. And you better believe that this story has already gone international among the right wing, including here in France. This shit is done, across the world, because it works, because it bears fruit. No amount of after-the-fact damage limitation or fact correction will wholly eliminate the antagonistic sentiment stoked by the initial emotional reaction stirred; it's neurobiological, it's real. The people who co-ordinate may not know the physiology of why it works, but they do know it works. Just, y'know, try to be aware of it next time something you hear via the internet gets your emotions up; that's when you're vulnerable to manipulation; that's where you get targeted. And that's the hard truth of it, aware or not, if you shared a lie about Nkonche, then you were either a direct or an indirect target of the people who created the content in the first place. It's real and it has consequences - if it didn't, they wouldn't do it. Groups like BLM are aware of this too, and certainly there are movements on the "left" who try to convince and manipulate by similar techniques...but no one here is a target for BLM, so you don't need to worry about getting duped by them.
Yeah that back story is all fair enough about it being orchestrated and I don't disagree with it but even that will grow legs as it makes its way around so the Chinese whispers element still stands. Like any other story doing the rounds.
I still reckon the reason any of this shit gains traction in either direction is because the machine wants more clicks and it keeps feeding the masses who are spiritually starving and need the illusion of validation so they can at least pretend the gaping existential hole inside them is being even temporarily filled before moving forward to the next fad. Unfortunately then this situation is known and regularly exploited for political gains and furthering of agendas of all kinds. It's not nice.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 03, 2021, 10:08:20 PM
This is a very complex issue. I'd imagine all angles and positions on this are worth discussing.
Did you just get sober all of a sudden? :laugh:
About the point you raise, the Indo article I linked has the gardai speaking directly to both dimensions you mention:
Quote"On the one hand, there were threats being made against the garda who fired the shots. On the other side, lies are being circulated about the man who died claiming he was a criminal when he was not."
Yawn.
Yet again I'll ask, how is it that a lad can publicly call for the life of a 'fed' in this country and (thus far) get away with it? And how is it deemed less newsworthy (one mention in the article you provided) than some internet gobshite posting misinformation about a (totally justified) dead scumbag?
Headline should be:
"Hero Garda Downs Rampaging Knife Wielding Thug"
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-shooting-inquiry-will-look-at-graduated-use-of-force-1.4448355
Your own article from the Independent with the headline....
Garda worry over Nkencho shooting 'lies'
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-worry-over-nkencho-shooting-lies-39924798.html
Again, the headline should have been all about the life being threatened of a member of our national police force. Not a dead thug....
Quote from: Bigmac on January 03, 2021, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 03, 2021, 10:08:20 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 03, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: ldj on January 03, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
So wait a minute, right wing loons who are spreading lies about this guy are bad (which is correct), but all of the left wing loons who are not only going on like the Gardai are a racist organisation hellbent on killing black people, but are spreading their own deceiving narrative totally aren't just as bad?
No one in this discussion here has made claims from the unconfirmed "left" stuff that's circulating, so there was no need to address it in this discussion.
This is a very complex issue. I'd imagine all angles and positions on this are worth discussing.
And particularly, why a close relative of a dead scumbag is allowed to publicly bay for the blood of a member of An Garda Síochána but yet more focus being paid to the fact some internet twat spread misinformation about said scumbag.
This is, in a word, just a thick thing to say.
No one has the privilege of calling anyone here thick unless it's ivory tower Chris.
Chris 'if I want your opinion I'll give it to you' Carnage.
Rough night?
Shut up you tart.
Suggesting that the far-right, anti-immigrant recuperation of this story boils down to "one incorrect meme" is a thick - knowingly thick moreover - thing to say, coming from someone who actually spends time researching propaganda, albeit from a very particular angle.
Ah yes, the poor downtrodden black community of Ireland. Fighting their way through groups of brownshirts just to get to school, work and the shops each day.
Thankfully ANTIFA :laugh: are on hand to help with these awful atrocities faced on an almost daily basis.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 08:02:03 AM
Suggesting that the far-right, anti-immigrant recuperation of this story boils down to "one incorrect meme" is a thick - knowingly thick moreover - thing to say, coming from someone who actually spends time researching propaganda, albeit from a very particular angle.
Your 'word' of the week, is it?
The far-right at it again in the comments.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=394546905169549
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
The far-right at it again in the comments.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=394546905169549
Ah slave trade heavyweights Ireland. :laugh:
We're now guilty of being white in our own land ffs :laugh:
If ever an 18 Wheeler needed to come roaring up the road... :abbath:
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
The far-right at it again in the comments.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=394546905169549
Not surprising to see that theliberal.ie's "coverage" of this entire event boils down to sharing videos of immigrants losing the run of themselves. Were any of the "articles" (still never linked) where people say they read wild exaggerations of this story from that "news" site, I wonder?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
The far-right at it again in the comments.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=394546905169549
Not surprising to see that theliberal.ie's "coverage" of this entire event boils down to sharing videos of immigrants losing the run of themselves. Were any of the "articles" (still never linked) where people say they read wild exaggerations of this story from that "news" site, I wonder?
In fairness, there is quite a lot of them floating around.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 08:02:03 AM
Suggesting that the far-right, anti-immigrant recuperation of this story boils down to "one incorrect meme" is a thick - knowingly thick moreover - thing to say, coming from someone who actually spends time researching propaganda, albeit from a very particular angle.
Even Corona is in on the oppression....
https://youtu.be/pj3iIYa0TUM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
The far-right at it again in the comments.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=394546905169549
Not surprising to see that theliberal.ie's "coverage" of this entire event boils down to sharing videos of immigrants losing the run of themselves. Were any of the "articles" (still never linked) where people say they read wild exaggerations of this story from that "news" site, I wonder?
I don't know to be honest, the main articles I've seen are the Independent or that Times one, if I'm not mistaken, so I'm not sure what kind of content The Liberal has articles wise.
I could be wrong, but the "coverage" of most other publications seem to be dodging this on their "news" sites, so at last with this we have a full view of everything going on.
That reply was a bit thick.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 09:13:41 AM
I could be wrong, but the "coverage" of most other publications seem to be dodging this on their "news" sites, so at last with this we have a full view of everything going on.
I mean, I don't know to what extent some random, and more importantly nameless, guy standing on a corner talking about things he doesn't have full knowledge of (such as that, when the British slave trade was abolished, Ireland was more of an occupied colony than, say, Nigeria) actually constitutes "news", but, sure, I guess the main news sites aren't giving so much attention to the violence, while not completely ignoring it either.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 09:13:41 AM
I could be wrong, but the "coverage" of most other publications seem to be dodging this on their "news" sites, so at last with this we have a full view of everything going on.
I mean, I don't know to what extent some random, and more importantly nameless, guy standing on a corner talking about things he doesn't have full knowledge of (such as that, when the British slave trade was abolished, Ireland was more of an occupied colony than, say, Nigeria) actually constitutes "news", but, sure, I guess the main news sites aren't giving so much attention to the violence, while not completely ignoring it either.
Why shouldn't some guy spouting false shite with a microphone on the junction of a main road constitute news?
Same as a guy calling for cop's blood constitutes news.
Same as dopes posting false information on a knife wielding crim on the web constitutes news.
Some balance here Chris, please....
Yes, the brother of a guy killed by the police seemingly calling for violent retribution against the police is news-worthy.
No, a nameless randomer on a soapbox with a loose grasp of historical fact is not news-worthy.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 10:36:37 AM
No, a nameless randomer on a soapbox with a loose grasp of historical fact is not news-worthy.
Subjective I guess. With over 4,000 comments on that particular video, it would seem many think otherwise.
From the article previously posted by Blackshep:
'Nkencho, who had a history of mental health issues and threatening behaviour, was followed to his mother's home in Clonee by gardai. They say they repeatedly asked him to drop his weapon but he refused to do so.
Officers say they had previously been called to deal with disturbances arising from his behaviour at the house in Manorfields. Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety'.
Case closed.
Everything else is just noise. Some of our politicians should be absolutely ashamed of themselves trying to drum this into some sort of points winning exercise. Ambulance chasing tactics to seem more in with a certain community. An absolute disgrace that only serves to get peoples' back up and foster an unease between 'communities' that likely didn't exist in any physical format before that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 10:36:37 AM
Yes, the brother of a guy killed by the police seemingly calling for violent retribution against the police is news-worthy.
No, a nameless randomer on a soapbox with a loose grasp of historical fact is not news-worthy.
He's doing a great job of pissing off a large proportion of the honest hard working people of this country as was that silly bitch screaming at the 'whites' through the shutters of what I assume is Spar, the other day.
Way to make friends and influence people alright...
This is what's a hot topic here at the moment in Ireland but obviously not in Ivory Towers somewhere in France.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 04, 2021, 10:46:57 AM
From the article previously posted by Blackshep:
'Nkencho, who had a history of mental health issues and threatening behaviour, was followed to his mother's home in Clonee by gardai. They say they repeatedly asked him to drop his weapon but he refused to do so.
Officers say they had previously been called to deal with disturbances arising from his behaviour at the house in Manorfields. Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety'.
Case closed.
Everything else is just noise. Some of our politicians should be absolutely ashamed of themselves trying to drum this into some sort of points winning exercise.
The podcast I posted a link to above, it turns out, is the podcast run by the guy who wrote that article in The Times. He is of the opinion that some of our politicians should be absolutely ashamed, but also of the opinion that the far right false information instrumentalization of the story, at both the national Irish level and international level, is something to be taken seriously, as a recurring and ongoing phenomenon in its own right.
There's an awful lot of 'far right' about nowadays. They're pouring, just pouring out of the woodwork.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
The far-right at it again in the comments.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=394546905169549
I just watched that again, jaysus it's cringe. Have these people no handlers or anyone to guide them in the right direction?
The irony is, if this well spoken well intentioned African gentleman here in this video ever did get himself into a good position of wealth and power in this country he'd be gone outta the hood and soapbox city like a snot off a fingernail, never to return.
Even god isn't sacrosanct from these utter plebs....
https://youtu.be/KYxcT0xvKFg
The 'Far Right'. 'White Nationalists'. Using this vocabulary in completely unsuitable contexts is evidence of brainwashing.
Sure you probably don't even think Vox are far right Kev.
They are a conservative catholic party, nothing whatsoever to do with 'far right', which is just a hijacked word used by the left to discredit their political opponents without having to engage with them. Así de simple.
Having a negative view of illegal immigration and abortion is not extremist, and if you believe that it is, you're buying into the leftist herd think and not using your brain, it's just labelling and confirming your biases.
They wanted to make the gender violence law here in Spain to apply to both genders (not removing the law, just making the same avenues available to men) and the feminists here went absolutely spastic. FAR RIGHT! NAZIS!
For a man who demands more nuanced thinking from others, you are decidedly lazy in your approach to those who don't think like you do.
It's a real pity that it had to be a black fellow who was killed because it's galvanising both sides of a mostly nonexistent racial divide here. I say mostly because of course there will always be elements of that anywhere but the vast majority have no real interest in any of that shit. A sad situation we find ourselves in.
Same with the left and right thing how everything boils down to that divide which of course isn't half as apparent in every day life as it is on social media and the news. Sure look at ye two above this able to argue a point and still keep it good humoured while doing it. Real life is way more like that here than the shit we read and watch.
Don't be so sure it's good humoured, I'll be packing my Air Max, trackie bottoms with hot rock holes, moustache and enormous Irish flag for my next trip to Bordeaux :)
Don't forget to gel down your fringe!
My point was that what you and I see as far-right on the political spectrum are quite different things. Vox are an ultra-nationalist anti-immigration party; that doesn't qualify for your definition of far-right, but it does for mine. So, it's only natural that you don't see the principal Irish social media actors who spread the misinformation discussed at length above, and who happen to be ultra-nationalist anti-immigration types, #IrelandBelongsToTheIrish, as far-right either. And in France, where the lies on this story have been picked up and spread by ultra-nationalist anti-immigration types they are networked with, #LaFranceAuxFrançais, well, I guess you'll tell me that, from your point of view, they also are not far-right. The National Party, the Irish Freedom Party, Identity Ireland, etc., may not have much of a following now, but that doesn't mean they haven't been exploiting this event opportunistically to guide people towards them, and as I said pages and pages back, their low numbers - demonstrably - don't take anything away from their capacity to hoodwink. But since we're not at all on the same page politically, literally not even in the same book, you may not even see those parties as far-right for all I know, since they're really not so different to Vox, except that they're not quite clever or united enough yet.
Would the publications not just state that the misinformation came from those parties then?
It seems logical that if they had evidence of it, it would be no harm to name the source of the misinformation.
But if they didn't have evidence of it, it makes more sense to simply state "far-right".
Even the Dali Lama is considered far-right nowadays. You'd think he'd disappeared off the face of the earth the way the MSM have blanked him since he, quite rightly, pointed out that mass immigration benefits no one. Well, except for the elitist few who make serious dollar from the replanting of these poor unfortunate souls.
Equating being anti illegal immigration (none of the parties you mentioned are anti immigration per se, and it's an important distinction) to xenophobia and racism shows that it's the left that's being hoodwinked by a nefarious elite who are just laughing in your faces for being their pro bono acolytes and foot soldiers . I'd be interested to hear what a reasonable pro-illegal immigration argument pertains, perhaps you could enlighten us.
Leaving out the cranks and screwballs, what you refer to the 'far right' is nothing if the sort, and as I mentioned it's a label, like calling them lepers or what have you, and all people of good will should wrinkle their noses and wave away their stench ostentatiously like a particularly foul release of gas.
You've lived in Paris, there are certain suburbs that have been made into lawless ghettoes where you wouldn't dream of going (I wonder how haughty your stance would be if you did end up in one and got hands put on you), and similar situations are sprouting up all over Europe because of...? Being blanket anti-immigration is a non-existent ethos. But having concerns about enormous demographic changes through uncontrolled migration of god knows who from god knows where makes you far right? It makes you right, as in correct, and rational.
Eddie Izzard is the first cool tranny I've heard in ages. Ledge.
3000 word essay of meaningless waffle imminent....
😂😂😂 FFS😂😂😂
First genuine chortle of the day, sound 😂😂
Your brain after a convo with Chris Carnage....
https://youtu.be/xMnviJDZMuc
You're right. The real problem with the far-right, on the ground, is not so much that they're anti-immigration, but that they're anti-non-white-immigrants; this is exactly where rabble-rousing slogans like #IrelandBelongsToTheIrish and #LaFranceAuxFrançais really come from. I mean, if Hitler had only been anti-immigration, things would have been fine. But he wasn't; aside from being a war-mongering imperialist, he was very much anti-non-aryan-immigrant: #DeutschlandFürDieDeutschen!
And I'd been taking such care on previous days to write "anti-immigrant" too.
https://twitter.com/YanMacNP/status/1344398909305720838
Quote from: astfgyl on January 04, 2021, 03:07:59 PM
It's a real pity that it had to be a black fellow who was killed because it's galvanising both sides of a mostly nonexistent racial divide here. I say mostly because of course there will always be elements of that anywhere but the vast majority have no real interest in any of that shit. A sad situation we find ourselves in.
Skimmed through most of this discussion and this sums it up for me. Well, outside the Malcolm X quote which I ended up searching for and listening to the piece it was taken from as it seemed too good to be true.
And what some dope posts up on Twitter represents the people of Ireland how?
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 04:34:23 PM
Would the publications not just state that the misinformation came from those parties then?
It seems logical that if they had evidence of it, it would be no harm to name the source of the misinformation.
But if they didn't have evidence of it, it makes more sense to simply state "far-right".
Just to expand on this a bit.
The media assertions that the misinformation came from the "far-right", would be predicated upon them having evidence of the source.
If they knew the source, and as the "far-right" in Ireland consists of those three parties above, they would know it came from one of them. Even if it was an individual, the media would know the individual is "far-right" by their associations with one of those parties. So following that, the media must have the name of the party where the misinformation began, but haven't reported it. I can't see why they wouldn't do this.
The alternative is that they actually have no evidence of where the misinformation originated, but they need something to point a finger at, and "far-right" fits the bill. If they were to specifically finger one of those parties without evidence, I guess there could be legal ramifications, hence why they kept it broad.
So if that is true, then we have the national media accusing one side of the political spectrum of misinformation without evidence, and the original joke about "Communist/BLM infiltration" isn't actually far fetched.
I have no social media accounts anymore so I can't open that.
That may have a kernel of truth to it, but I'd imagine, and I'm speculating, that the numbers are of more concern than the colour of the skin.
Moroccans live in Spanish cities on large numbers, as do Romanians, with smaller but significant numbers of west Africans. The former two generate far more ire among the locals because of the behaviour and criminality a lot of them engage in. The black lads just hang around and sell bags of weed, at least the road from me in Lavapies.
People don't give as much of a shit about ethnicity as you think they do, and it's perfectly rational to become startled at massive demographic change with colonies of alien cultures and religions sprouting up in a density never before seen. It's not racism, although god knows what the word is supposed to mean now.
Protests in Drogheda today over the shooting.
You don't need a Twitter account to open a tweet.
The "far-right" in Ireland is also characters like Grand Torino who, as far as I know (which isn't very much), isn't linked to any of those parties himself, but who does have thousands of followers, and does come out with stuff like this:
QuoteThe piece of paper they have that claims they are Irish..
we will use it to wipe our arse.
Ireland will always belong to the Irish.
And there are also Irish 4chan users, which is another place both memes and the photo could have originated. Saying it came from the far-right doesn't mean it came from the press office of a far-right party.
Over the next few years, as SF begin to get more and more "progressive", a lot of their traditional supporter base could easily jump ship to parties like the Irish Freedom Party (who, on their webpage, are genuinely suggesting martial law for places like Clonee, Blanchardstown, Balbriggan, etc.), the National Party (one of whose youth wing members posted the above tweet), etc. If that happened, part of the reason would be liberals going too far with their nonsense, and part of it would be from people not taking seriously the possibility it could happen. It's even possible that the reason the lies were spread so fast even by a lot of absolutely not right wing people is because the idea there is a far right movement in Ireland that's orchestrating such misinformation seems like pie in the sky, as many of you keep insisting.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 04, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
Protests in Drogheda today over the shooting.
All masked and maintaining the correct social distancing protocol we hope?
Then they'd have simply stated it came from Gran Torino or 4chan.
I'm not saying there isn't a far-right in Ireland, just that the media have done themselves no favours by not naming the source of the misinformation, because it honestly seems they don't have any.
To then point the finger at one side without evidence, is surely a little concerning.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 06:40:29 PM
Then they'd have simply stated it came from Gran Torino or 4chan.
I'm not saying there isn't a far-right in Ireland, just that the media have done themselves no favours by not naming the source of the misinformation, because it honestly seems they don't have any.
To then point the finger at one side without evidence, is surely a little concerning.
They don't know where they originated from. That is extremely difficult to establish with any kind of accuracy. It will take a digital forensic investigation to trace back to their true first appearances on-line, or in mailing or private messaging circles. What they do know is what accounts have been sharing them without checking their validity. I know you're big into your conspiracy theories, so out of curiosity, what are you thinking? I can't buy that it was a left-wing black-propaganda (unfortunate term in the circumstances, I know), since it's fairly well established that even after being solidly discredited, the long term effects of misinformation remain skewed towards the slant of that misinformation. That leaves trolls, 4chan type trolls... but 4chan is basically a breeding ground for the far-right and...
high-level sociopaths! :abbath:
As regards the shooting. It's an unfortunate situation where a lad with mental issues gets killed. Dosent matter really what was going on in his head, he was a threat to people's lives so I find it reasonable for the force used. Now when the official account comes out that view may change. Do Irish cops have tasers? Like I know that sometimes doesn't stop people but just wondered were they used on him.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 04, 2021, 06:23:24 PM
I have no social media accounts anymore so I can't open that.
That may have a kernel of truth to it, but I'd imagine, and I'm speculating, that the numbers are of more concern than the colour of the skin.
I used to, until about six months ago, follow The National Party, Irish freedom party and Gemma and so forth. From my experience they are all about the colour of a person's skin.
I see nothing wrong in not wanting mass illegal immigration (which i dont think we have anyway) but to me, the followers of those parties are fucking wasters who instead of doing something to improve their own life, have to blame the black foreigner for the own ineptitude and their own prejudices.
Apparently a taser and pepper-spray were used to no avail.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 06:53:40 PM
Apparently a taser and pepper-spray were used to no avail.
Fair enough. Looks like they went through the protocols so.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 04, 2021, 06:40:29 PM
Then they'd have simply stated it came from Gran Torino or 4chan.
I'm not saying there isn't a far-right in Ireland, just that the media have done themselves no favours by not naming the source of the misinformation, because it honestly seems they don't have any.
To then point the finger at one side without evidence, is surely a little concerning.
They don't know where it originated from. That is extremely difficult to establish with any kind of accuracy. It will take a digital forensic investigation to trace back to its true first appearance on-line. What they do know is what accounts have been sharing it without checking its validity. I know you're big into your conspiracy theories, so out of curiosity, what are you thinking? I can't buy that it was a left-wing black-propaganda (unfortunate term in the circumstances, I know), since it's fairly well established that even after being solidly discredited, the long term effects of misinformation remain skewed towards the slant of that misinformation. That leaves trolls, 4chan type trolls... but 4chan is basically a breeding ground for the far-right and...high-level sociopaths! :abbath:
I would think that if they don't have evidence, they should have said they are concerned about lies being spread, rather than lies being spread by the "far-right".
The "far-right" skew seems to just add fuel to an already fairly volatile fire, so it makes it an irresponsible move by them. But it does beg the question how most of the national publications were told to skew their reporting in this manner.
As for conspiracies, the initial digital forensic information I can glean from it, is that it originated somewhere in the region of Bordeaux.
:laugh:
All discussion is utterly useless!
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds?utm_campaign=falcon&mbid=social_twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_brand=tny&utm_social-type=owned&fbclid=IwAR0JUyg4WekQfxJeaqsQ_WfiKEtch4ChOJtAAC5BikTyR1YknPR5GIvH1M0
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 04, 2021, 06:38:25 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on January 04, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
Protests in Drogheda today over the shooting.
All masked and maintaining the correct social distancing protocol we hope?
Don't worry I'm sure they will be suitably vilified by the national media. Tomorrow's headline "Covidiots". Can you believe the selfishness of them at a time like this?
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 04, 2021, 06:38:25 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on January 04, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
Protests in Drogheda today over the shooting.
All masked and maintaining the correct social distancing protocol we hope?
The virus doesn't target Black Lives Matter protesters. Did you not learn anything from the peaceful protests in the US last summer?
Gracias negrito!!
Very quiet.... Looks like the forum is exhausted from the Afro-Gate shenanigans. :laugh:
Quote from: The Butcher on January 04, 2021, 07:24:21 PM
All discussion is utterly useless!
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds?utm_campaign=falcon&mbid=social_twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_brand=tny&utm_social-type=owned&fbclid=IwAR0JUyg4WekQfxJeaqsQ_WfiKEtch4ChOJtAAC5BikTyR1YknPR5GIvH1M0
That's a good introduction to that book. In terms of how we reason, and how we (very poorly) revise our beliefs in light of new information, that whole psychological perspective explains perfectly why spreading misinformation is cost beneficial to interested parties, regardless of how solid subsequent refutations are.
For instance, people get it put in their head that Nkencho had 32 previous convictions (or whatever) and, unless immediately met with doubt or rejection, automatically work this into their psychological and social explanation for the global sequence of events. Then later, when they are told by reliable authorities (more reliable at least than the initial source) that he actually had
no previous convictions, they'll still end up telling themselves - with no basis whatsoever for asserting it - something like "Well, he'd probably done as many things that
deserved convictions but got away with it!"...or was let off, or whatever reason their brain will spontaneously invent so that their overall belief revision is as minimal and as economical as possible. It's why, if you're interested in the mechanics of reasoning, you kind of have to take as a starting point that one of the primary functions of your "mind" is to lie to you, heuristically, about the world. Since mentioned in another thread, this is also one of the core ideas in Nietzsche's The Joyful Science, la gaya scienza.
So many words.... so little shits given!
https://youtu.be/Wv1tMQGAdt8
Class tune.... 8)
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 05, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Very quiet.... Looks like the forum is exhausted from the Afro-Gate shenanigans. :laugh:
Off you go:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=148179683774556
What about the science of the orgasmic, dopamine drenched self satisfaction one gets from tying the knot of that post with those last two lines, implying a deep understanding of not-quite-inaccessible-but -a bit- yeah philosophy and a deft, elegant mastery of various evolutions of Latin.
Must be like keeping your hands away from your Mickey for a week, lashing 5 selfish lines of bonnie Prince Charlie up your hooter and having it away with your self!
And now, if you thought it was complex up until this point, read the cluster-fuck of first-person accounts this is about to become:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-s-sister-says-she-opened-door-to-him-before-he-was-shot-1.4450000
QuoteGloria Nkencho, will tell Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (Gsoc) investigators that her brother knocked on the door and she answered.
Ms Nkencho will tell investigators gardaí had surrounded her brother by this stage and that she asked them to leave him alone and said he had mental health issues. The sister was then ushered back inside the house by gardaí and the door was closed over but not shut.
...
Garda sources confirmed the sequence of events described by family members
QuoteGardaí had been called to the house on a previous occasion following a psychiatric incident involving Mr Nkencho.
Following this, Mr Nkencho's family had sought help from their local GP and the HSE. It is understood they were still waiting on the HSE to provide mental health supports at the time of the shooting.
The HSE was not immediately available for comment last night.
And, just to finish up, another fabrication - which should have been suspicious to anyone thinking about the situation with a cool head - put to rest:
QuoteVarious claims that Mr Nkencho either had machete or a butter knife are also false, gardaí confirmed. He was carrying a kitchen knife.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 05, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Very quiet.... Looks like the forum is exhausted from the Afro-Gate shenanigans. :laugh:
Off you go:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=148179683774556
If ever a few cracks of lightning needed to strike.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 05, 2021, 09:34:10 AM
What about the science of the orgasmic, dopamine drenched self satisfaction one gets from tying the knot of that post with those last two lines, implying a deep understanding of not-quite-inaccessible-but -a bit- yeah philosophy and a deft, elegant mastery of various evolutions of Latin.
If I thought it was inaccessible, I wouldn't recommend it to people as a starting point to Nietzsche. And since I know some of the people I'm discussing with here have actually already read it, well, it's no different to you dropping a mention to whatever history tomes you and some of the other forum history afficionados may have read which I would have no clue about.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 09:35:04 AM
And now, if you thought it was complex up until this point, read the cluster-fuck of first-person accounts this is about to become:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-s-sister-says-she-opened-door-to-him-before-he-was-shot-1.4450000
QuoteGloria Nkencho, will tell Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (Gsoc) investigators that her brother knocked on the door and she answered.
Ms Nkencho will tell investigators gardaí had surrounded her brother by this stage and that she asked them to leave him alone and said he had mental health issues. The sister was then ushered back inside the house by gardaí and the door was closed over but not shut.
...
Garda sources confirmed the sequence of events described by family members
QuoteGardaí had been called to the house on a previous occasion following a psychiatric incident involving Mr Nkencho.
Following this, Mr Nkencho's family had sought help from their local GP and the HSE. It is understood they were still waiting on the HSE to provide mental health supports at the time of the shooting.
The HSE was not immediately available for comment last night.
And, just to finish up, another fabrication - which should have been suspicious to anyone thinking about the situation with a cool head - put to rest:
QuoteVarious claims that Mr Nkencho either had machete or a butter knife are also false, gardaí confirmed. He was carrying a kitchen knife.
I smell a €5m lawsuit against the state coming up.
And it was bruddah Emmanuel that said it was a butter knife. Yo!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 05, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 05, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Very quiet.... Looks like the forum is exhausted from the Afro-Gate shenanigans. :laugh:
Off you go:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=148179683774556
If ever a few cracks of lightning needed to strike.
Or for the Garda to have consistency in their response to protests during level 5 lockdown.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-use-batons-and-handcuffs-to-quell-anti-lockdown-protest-in-dublin-1.4388742
Aaaaand we're off! :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 05, 2021, 09:34:10 AM
What about the science of the orgasmic, dopamine drenched self satisfaction one gets from tying the knot of that post with those last two lines, implying a deep understanding of not-quite-inaccessible-but -a bit- yeah philosophy and a deft, elegant mastery of various evolutions of Latin.
If I thought it was inaccessible, I wouldn't recommend it to people as a starting point to Nietzsche. And since I know some of the people I'm discussing with here have actually already read it, well, it's no different to you dropping a mention to whatever history tomes you and some of the other forum history afficionados may have read which I would have no clue about.
Still, felt good though, right? :)
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 09:44:22 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 05, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 05, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Very quiet.... Looks like the forum is exhausted from the Afro-Gate shenanigans. :laugh:
Off you go:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=148179683774556
If ever a few cracks of lightning needed to strike.
Or for the Garda to have consistency in their response to protests during level 5 lockdown.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-use-batons-and-handcuffs-to-quell-anti-lockdown-protest-in-dublin-1.4388742
This back in October when the lockdown stipulations were nowhere nearly as severe.
Our police force really are racist after all. Dayum....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 05, 2021, 09:43:22 AM
And it was bruddah Emmanuel that said it was a butter knife. Yo!
The brother has clearly proven himself an unreliable witness, but in any case that will be explained away (rightly or wrongly) by trauma.
The importance with the idea that it was a machete is the connotations of savagery it naturally evokes. Of course an African would wield a machete, wouldn't he? Well, yes, if you have a particular image of Africans in your head, it seems natural, even though you know he's been living in a suburban Irish neighborhood since he was 7, meaning that of all the blades he might have easy access to, "machete" would be fairly low down the list.
I'll give the Spanish peelers this, they just come in mob handed for whatever protest or dodgy situation, riot vans, alsations and way more manpower than is required. Very unusual for protests to get out of hand.
I wouldn't have shed a tear if they had got in amongst those feminists who just HAD to have their 'women's day' March whilst everyone else was inside wanking and watching YouTube.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 09:35:04 AM
And now, if you thought it was complex up until this point, read the cluster-fuck of first-person accounts this is about to become:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-s-sister-says-she-opened-door-to-him-before-he-was-shot-1.4450000
QuoteGloria Nkencho, will tell Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (Gsoc) investigators that her brother knocked on the door and she answered.
Ms Nkencho will tell investigators gardaí had surrounded her brother by this stage and that she asked them to leave him alone and said he had mental health issues. The sister was then ushered back inside the house by gardaí and the door was closed over but not shut.
...
Garda sources confirmed the sequence of events described by family members
QuoteGardaí had been called to the house on a previous occasion following a psychiatric incident involving Mr Nkencho.
Following this, Mr Nkencho's family had sought help from their local GP and the HSE. It is understood they were still waiting on the HSE to provide mental health supports at the time of the shooting.
The HSE was not immediately available for comment last night.
And, just to finish up, another fabrication - which should have been suspicious to anyone thinking about the situation with a cool head - put to rest:
QuoteVarious claims that Mr Nkencho either had machete or a butter knife are also false, gardaí confirmed. He was carrying a kitchen knife.
So what are you saying here? He shouldn't have been shot? 6 shootings since 1998 and they just got trigger happy all of a sudden? A kitchen knife can absolutely be the size of a machete, I have knives in my kitchen the length of Katanas. What's the game here? We need to apologise for saying machete instead of lengthy bladed knife? Smoke and mirror bullshit that has nothing to do with the wider issue at play here.
Also, just to add another element into this discussion. We have seen horrendous numbers of stabbings in the last few years in London in particular with the numbers of African or African heritage youth being incredibly high. Are we meant to bury our heads in the sand about that issue? Is it not reasonable to, in an adult way, draw some similarities and hope that we won't have the same issue in Ireland with a completely new and very distinct demographic coming of age in our city. The constant dismissal of any type of discussion on such topics as nothing more than 'white nationalism' or the likes, is simply painting over the cracks as far as I'm concerned.
And before you get up on your high horse and start pulling lumps.out of every little detail of this post, can you simply read the thing with a calm head and think about it before responding(Black Shep in partucular). The inability to discuss, to worry, to speculate, the silencing and shouts of racism etc does absolutely nothing to put normal, non racist, ordinary joe bloggs who want to live in a safe community's minds at ease. I would also add that I've talked to family members, lots of people back home in the past week, and nobody is roaring blue murder about black lads this and that. They're just shocked that a young lad has been shot and the reaction that it sparked and every one of them just want people to get the fuck along.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: The Butcher on January 04, 2021, 07:24:21 PM
All discussion is utterly useless!
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds?utm_campaign=falcon&mbid=social_twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_brand=tny&utm_social-type=owned&fbclid=IwAR0JUyg4WekQfxJeaqsQ_WfiKEtch4ChOJtAAC5BikTyR1YknPR5GIvH1M0
That's a good introduction to that book. In terms of how we reason, and how we (very poorly) revise our beliefs in light of new information, that whole psychological perspective explains perfectly why spreading misinformation is cost beneficial to interested parties, regardless of how solid subsequent refutations are.
For instance, people get it put in their head that Nkencho had 32 previous convictions (or whatever) and, unless immediately met with doubt or rejection, automatically work this into their psychological and social explanation for the global sequence of events. Then later, when they are told by reliable authorities (more reliable at least than the initial source) that he actually had no previous convictions, they'll still end up telling themselves - with no basis whatsoever for asserting it - something like "Well, he'd probably done as many things that deserved convictions but got away with it!"...or was let off, or whatever reason their brain will spontaneously invent so that their overall belief revision is as minimal and as economical as possible. It's why, if you're interested in the mechanics of reasoning, you kind of have to take as a starting point that one of the primary functions of your "mind" is to lie to you, heuristically, about the world. Since mentioned in another thread, this is also one of the core ideas in Nietzsche's The Joyful Science, la gaya scienza.
Genuine question, not taking the piss:
Do you ever think maybe you're exhibiting the same traits yourself?
I'm really not saying anything there, beyond filling in details from the official sources as they come.
Obviously a kitchen knife can be as dangerous as a machete. But just conjure up these two images side by side: "Nigerian with kitchen knife", "Nigerian with machete". Which is closer to being a racial stereotype??
Quote from: Pedrito on January 05, 2021, 09:58:55 AM
Do you ever think maybe you're exhibiting the same traits yourself?
Of course. But, as it happens, I'm not on here defending rumours spread by BLM folk. I'm being argumentative with people defending rumours spread by the opposite of BLM folk. That's just what's happening here on the forum. If Ducky were around, I'd have as many arguments against him if he were waving a "it was obviously a question of race!" flag. It used to happen in the Trump thread quite regularly. But we've no one like that anymore, which means that all of the positions presented here that are worthy of contesting happen to be stacked up on only one side of the debate. That's the deck as dealt here.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 10:02:33 AM
I'm really not saying anything there, beyond filling in details from the official sources as they come.
Obviously a kitchen knife can be as dangerous as a machete. But just conjure up these two images side by side: "Nigerian with kitchen knife", "Nigerian with machete". Which is closer to being a racial stereotype??
Nigerian with a knife is enough to get people worried and there is reason to be worried. Again, if we want to live in a new, 'multicultured' Ireland, then surely we should be concerned about why it hasn't worked in different instances in neighbouring countries. And the shutting down of a conversation or linking it all to racism has already shown been proven as being the absolute worst way to deal with any of these issues.
My take that no one asked for - I'm strongly opposed to the police shooting anyone, anywhere, should be an absolute last resort (may have been the case here) or in situations where there's an active terrorist attack in progress etc. I'd be opposed to the death penalty and generally opposed to police being judge, jury and in cases like this, executioner. There's a very good reason those are all kept as separate entities.
There's been a LOT of jumping the gun (wehay) on this, and a lot of false information pushed out. Fact of the matter is, the lad won't get a trial (or the rest of his life), the Gardaí who shot him will. We should be trying to keep this kind of thing as rare as possible because it's an absolute mess and a terrible outcome. The fact that it currently rarely happens should not be a reason to brush over it and just assume it's all above board. Hopefully the investigation will be thorough and fair.
I didn't see any reports whatsoever stating he had a machete. Two lads here did mention it though (machete) and bruddah Emmanuel with his butter knife quip. You're making this out to be a much bigger issue than needs be.
Things always get exaggerated in the immediate aftermath of any accident or crisis. Always have always will.
Couple of lads crash into a ditch outside town.
"There was ten of them in the car and they were doing 180mph in reverse when it happened."
Hence the saying; "When a mouse escapes from the zoo. It's an elephant by the time it arrives to your house!"
You're the one drawing this all out and you're the one making it a huge race issue when there isn't one.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 05, 2021, 10:11:13 AM
the shutting down of a conversation or linking it all to racism has already shown been proven as being the absolute worst way to deal with any of these issues.
I agree. I haven't said anything to disagree with that. The BLM folk obviously made it about race. But the #IrelandBelongsToTheIrish crowd just as obviously made it about race by depicting Nkencho has the untamable savage African machete wielding animal. Certain things that are too close to stereotypes should be flags that get you thinking, "Hmm, sounds just a bit too perfect to be true...could be bullshit...I'll wait and see before spreading this particular element."
It's not like this is the last politically exploitable thing that's going to happen in our lifetimes, so it is actually worth discussing in a general sense, beyond the particularities of any specific case.
I think you are reaching with the 'untameable African savage' sentiment. I'll agree that people may associate black Africans with machetes, principally because of the Rwandan genocide in the mid nineties, but the rest is a very 19th century, Rudyard Kipling-esque form of expression which does not exist in our era.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 10:22:08 AM
But the #IrelandBelongsToTheIrish crowd just as obviously made it about race by depicting Nkencho has the untamable savage African machete wielding animal.
Are they just parroting Pearse with that phrase? His address here states that:
https://celt.ucc.ie/published/E900007-006/text001.html
QuoteWe believe, as every Irish boy whose heart has not been corrupted by foreign influence must believe, that our country ought to be free. We do not see why Ireland should allow England to govern her, either through Englishmen, as at present, or through Irishmen under an appearance of self-government. We believe that England has no business in this country at all—that Ireland, from the centre to the zenith, belongs to the Irish. Our forefathers believed this and fought for it: Hugh O'Donnell and Hugh O'Neill and Rory O'More and Owen Roe O'Neill: Tone and Emmet and Davis and Mitchel. What was true in their time is still true. Nothing that has happened or that can ever happen can alter the truth of it. Ireland belongs to the Irish. We believe, then, that it is the duty of Irishmen to struggle always, never giving in or growing weary, until they have won back their country again.
Unfortunately now Ireland belongs to the EU and thus so, the globalist elite.
So much blood spilled for the few sand like trinkets of an imagined freedom.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 05, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
I think you are reaching with the 'untameable African savage' sentiment. I'll agree that people may associate black Africans with machetes, principally because of the Rwandan genocide in the mid nineties, but the rest is a very 19th century, Rudyard Kipling-esque form of expression which does not exist in our era.
Claiming a 27 year old has 32 previous convictions is tantamount to saying they are untameable. The words "savage" and "animal" have been rolled out quite frequently over the last few days. It all fits with the "we shouldn't be letting them into our country" vibe, as if Nkencho arrived at 7 years old, already the seed of what he would grow to be. It is precisely all very, very 19th century.
Savage and animal are words the tabloid press use frequently in fairness, just because this lad was black, the implication is hardly that he's a monkey or a bushman of the kalahari. Even within those 'irelandfortheirish' crowd, how many of them do you really think view black Africans in those terms?
And Ireland should be for the Irish, not the fucking EU, agreed on that yin KC.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 05, 2021, 10:49:36 AM
Savage and animal are words the tabloid press use frequently in fairness, just because this lad was black, the implication is hardly that he's a monkey or a bushman of the kalahari. Even within those 'irelandfortheirish' crowd, how many of them do you really think view black Africans in those terms?
I'd say (personal guess) a vanishingly small number may perhaps still see Africans as some kind of "sub-breed", so "animals" in that subhuman sense. But a lot genuinely do see them as savages, uncivilized, not only not fit for but by essence not capable of living in western society according to western norms of behavior. Savages, as the term was used academically surprisingly far along into the 20th century, not to mention the popular imagination. Nature over nurture is the interpretative lens, no matter how bad or traumatic the nurturing may have been.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 05, 2021, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 10:02:33 AM
I'm really not saying anything there, beyond filling in details from the official sources as they come.
Obviously a kitchen knife can be as dangerous as a machete. But just conjure up these two images side by side: "Nigerian with kitchen knife", "Nigerian with machete". Which is closer to being a racial stereotype??
Nigerian with a knife is enough to get people worried and there is reason to be worried.
I'd say they'd prefer to see a Nigerian with a knife than a Guatemalan with a gun.
Or a Syrian with sarin.
I think people are far more informed now than at any time in our history. Even 50 years, what am I saying, even 20 years ago Africa seemed like a dark, mystical place where regular tales of bloodshed constantly came out of. Now, I know lads who regularly travel there, there's way more riding between people of all shapes, sizes and colours.
If we look at the crucifying Bertie Ahern got for being divorced, the likes of the Bishop Casey 'scandal', the constant outings of gay lads like Michael Barrymore or the likes by the gutter media, none of it is anything new, but we've changed dramatically in a tiny space of time. I don't think it's (tabloid media) an honest reflection of how people genuinely feel.
Most people are just too busy to be thinking if a lad is into drill rap or if he's into drillin lads' arses. All that most people want is no hassle. The idea that a section of society might pose a risk or might display signs of not wanting to 'conform/adapt/get along' is the one thing that people might worry about and certainly if we look at our nearest neighbours, or plenty parts of mainland Europe, there is definite friction between 'groups' for whatever reason. We shouldn't want that and we should be very very vigilant and not being told to shut up by people who don't want to hurt peoples' 'feelings'. Better some hurt feelings than something far more serious.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on January 05, 2021, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 05, 2021, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 10:02:33 AM
I'm really not saying anything there, beyond filling in details from the official sources as they come.
Obviously a kitchen knife can be as dangerous as a machete. But just conjure up these two images side by side: "Nigerian with kitchen knife", "Nigerian with machete". Which is closer to being a racial stereotype??
Nigerian with a knife is enough to get people worried and there is reason to be worried.
I'd say they'd prefer to see a Nigerian with a knife than a Guatemalan with a gun.
Or a Syrian with sarin.
Is this a choice we have to or should be making? How about nobody has knives, we clamp down on thuggish and anti-social behaviour in all sectors of society and everybody gets out to work to try and make the country prosper. We look at the UK and the States as 'normal'. That amount of violence, be it knife, gun or physical should never be accepted as normal.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 05, 2021, 11:23:12 AM
The idea that a section of society might pose a risk or might display signs of not wanting to 'conform/adapt/get along' is the one thing that people might worry about and certainly if we look at our nearest neighbours, or plenty parts of mainland Europe, there is definite friction between 'groups' for whatever reason. We shouldn't want that and we should be very very vigilant and not being told to shut up by people who don't want to hurt peoples' 'feelings'. Better some hurt feelings than something far more serious.
None of the discussion
here has been about being told to "shut up by people who don't want to hurt people's feelings". It's been about not being led to spread misinformation by people who
do want to hurt people's feelings, their lives, their opportunities, etc., etc. "Send them back to where they came from!"
It's now gotten to the point where, rather than stopping for a moment and reflectively examining why one's own brain would initially have such an emotional explosion at an event not directly affecting any of us, and why it would try to draw reasonable conclusions from within that emotional explosion (I'd invite you to review your first judge, jury, and executioner style comment in this thread about this event), rather than doing that, we practically end up with denials of the very idea that symbols have a powerful impact over thought, the more iconic the symbols the better, and that therefore the manipulation of symbols (i.e. propaganda) can be and is used to voluntarily direct group-think. In other words, rather than accept that each and every one of us is susceptible to the power of symbol manipulation, let's just claim it doesn't exist. It's like epistemic sour grapes.
Out of curiosity, the 38 year old Irish man who stabbed Nkencho's 15 year old friend in the heart ten years ago, what kind of image of Nigerians do you think he had floating about in his head? One that's not potentially dangerous or is potentially dangerous to perpetuate?
Hadn't heard of this until now. Reading this:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/no-one-will-ever-be-jailed-for-killing-of-schoolboy-1.2622
QuoteHe was with some of them on Mount Eustace Crescent on Good Friday when words were exchanged between the group – five male black teenagers and five white girls – and brothers Michael and Paul Barry.
When one of the girls asked Paul Barry (38) for a cigarette and he refused, words were exchanged and a fight broke out. The Barry brothers came out of the exchange second best.
When the teenagers ran away, the brothers went after them in a 4X4, in the apparent belief one of the group had robbed Michael Barry's mobile phone.
When the Barrys caught up with the teenagers, another row broke out during which Paul Barry produced a knife and stabbed Toyosi in the heart.
It seems like the group assaulted the brothers over a cigarette, then the brothers pursued them under the pretense of a stolen phone. Obviously, no reason to stab anyone, but I fail to see where Nigerian comes into it.
This is all I've read though so perhaps there's more to it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 12:28:34 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 05, 2021, 11:23:12 AM
The idea that a section of society might pose a risk or might display signs of not wanting to 'conform/adapt/get along' is the one thing that people might worry about and certainly if we look at our nearest neighbours, or plenty parts of mainland Europe, there is definite friction between 'groups' for whatever reason. We shouldn't want that and we should be very very vigilant and not being told to shut up by people who don't want to hurt peoples' 'feelings'. Better some hurt feelings than something far more serious.
None of the discussion here has been about being told to "shut up by people who don't want to hurt people's feelings". It's been about not being led to spread misinformation by people who do want to hurt people's feelings, their lives, their opportunities, etc., etc. "Send them back to where they came from!"
It's now gotten to the point where, rather than stopping for a moment and reflectively examining why one's own brain would initially have such an emotional explosion at an event not directly affecting any of us, and why it would try to draw reasonable conclusions from within that emotional explosion (I'd invite you to review your first judge, jury, and executioner style comment in this thread about this event), rather than doing that, we practically end up with denials of the very idea that symbols have a powerful impact over thought, the more iconic the symbols the better, and that therefore the manipulation of symbols (i.e. propaganda) can be and is used to voluntarily direct group-think. In other words, rather than accept that each and every one of us is susceptible to the power of symbol manipulation, let's just claim it doesn't exist. It's like epistemic sour grapes.
No that's your discussion. I still stand by my original verdict. You brandish a knife in public, you need taking down. The interpretation of events and the surrounding connotations are completely separate, somewhat 'theoretical' and open to debate.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 12:58:31 PM
Hadn't heard of this until now. Reading this:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/no-one-will-ever-be-jailed-for-killing-of-schoolboy-1.2622
QuoteHe was with some of them on Mount Eustace Crescent on Good Friday when words were exchanged between the group – five male black teenagers and five white girls – and brothers Michael and Paul Barry.
When one of the girls asked Paul Barry (38) for a cigarette and he refused, words were exchanged and a fight broke out. The Barry brothers came out of the exchange second best.
When the teenagers ran away, the brothers went after them in a 4X4, in the apparent belief one of the group had robbed Michael Barry's mobile phone.
When the Barrys caught up with the teenagers, another row broke out during which Paul Barry produced a knife and stabbed Toyosi in the heart.
It seems like the group assaulted the brothers over a cigarette, then the brothers pursued them under the pretense of a stolen phone. Obviously, no reason to stab anyone, but I fail to see where Nigerian comes into it.
This is all I've read though so perhaps there's more to it.
Well one group was Irish and white and the other Nigerian so it's obviously racism...that's confirmation bias if ever I saw it.
This was your original verdict:
Quote from: Pedrito on December 31, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
He slashed the person in the Spar. Attackd someone else. 90 minutes standoff with the guards asking him to drop his weapon and they shot him when he lunged at a Ban Garda. Beat his missus in the face with a hammer and attacked an elderly woman in the street all in the last few weeks. They couldn't shoot the cunt enough times.
Hook, line, and sinker for the people who wanted those rumours to get around.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 05, 2021, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 12:58:31 PM
Hadn't heard of this until now. Reading this:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/no-one-will-ever-be-jailed-for-killing-of-schoolboy-1.2622
QuoteHe was with some of them on Mount Eustace Crescent on Good Friday when words were exchanged between the group – five male black teenagers and five white girls – and brothers Michael and Paul Barry.
When one of the girls asked Paul Barry (38) for a cigarette and he refused, words were exchanged and a fight broke out. The Barry brothers came out of the exchange second best.
When the teenagers ran away, the brothers went after them in a 4X4, in the apparent belief one of the group had robbed Michael Barry's mobile phone.
When the Barrys caught up with the teenagers, another row broke out during which Paul Barry produced a knife and stabbed Toyosi in the heart.
It seems like the group assaulted the brothers over a cigarette, then the brothers pursued them under the pretense of a stolen phone. Obviously, no reason to stab anyone, but I fail to see where Nigerian comes into it.
This is all I've read though so perhaps there's more to it.
Well one group was Irish and white and the other Nigerian so it's obviously racism...that's confirmation bias if ever I saw it.
Bigmac must have found the one article that didn't mention racist undertones to the words exchanged and ensuing scuffle. It's certainly not possible to conclude, as Bigmac has, that "the group assaulted the brothers over a cigarette" when the article you've just read actually says, "When one of the girls asked Paul Barry (38) for a cigarette and he refused, words were exchanged and a fight broke out.The Barry brothers came out of the exchange second best."
"Racist undertones":
https://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1212/358034-man-acquitted-of-murder-of-toyosi-shittabey/
"Racial undertones":
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-acquitted-of-murdering-nigerian-teen-toyosi-shittabey-28946808.html
"Witnesses have told the trial they heard racist shouts and screaming outside their homes."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30576939.html
In any case, it's about time someone brought up the connection between the two events; it's certainly more relevant to the case than, y'know, things that didn't happen at all. There was certainly zero overlap in the sources sharing the made up stuff and the sources talking about Nkencho's mental issues in the wake of the above murder, so I'm sure Bigmac wasn't the only one in the dark until today.
Never would have made any connection to a machete and it being a Nigerian stereotype until it was brought up.
Report I read said a machete, that's certainly what it looked like to me in the video doing the rounds, but I guess replace that word with "big kitchen knife" and I stand by my point. Although I've kinda lost track of where this discussion is now...
So the group of Nigerian teenagers were shouting racial slurs at the brothers? Like the slurs shouted at the folks in Spar on video recently?
I know this isn't what you're getting at, but the source of the "racist undertones" isn't explicitly stated in any of those articles (I think). Even the Wikipedia article leaves it ambiguous:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Toyosi_Shittabey
So to assume it came from whites against blacks, without it being explicitly stated, seems to be the bias Pedrito mentioned earlier.
There could be actual evidence though, so I'm happy to stand corrected if so. I just don't see it in the links you presented.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 12:44:52 PM
Out of curiosity, the 38 year old Irish man who stabbed Nkencho's 15 year old friend in the heart ten years ago...
Sorry, maybe you posted a link that I missed but where are you getting this from?
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 02:59:46 PM
to assume it came from whites against blacks, without it being explicitly stated, seems to be the bias Predrito mentioned earlier.
Sure, it's not impossible, but it does seem less likely that the African teenagers hanging out with the white Irish people started shouting racist slurs at two other white Irish people than the other way around, no?
There's a few links just above, Kimble. Or do you mean specifically something stating that they were friends? They played football together, just google the two names and you'll find a few results.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 02:59:46 PM
to assume it came from whites against blacks, without it being explicitly stated, seems to be the bias Predrito mentioned earlier.
Sure, it's not impossible, but it does seem less likely that the African teenagers hanging out with the white Irish people started shouting racist slurs at two other white Irish people than the other way around, no?
Not beyond the realms of possibility for sure, but I'm dubious about why any article can't simply state without ambiguity, that the racial slurs came from the brothers.
A rather simple detail that is tantamount to understanding the dynamics of what went on.
So to me, it seems very suspect not to do this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/racist-row-in-lead-up-to-murder-of-toyosi-15-court-hears-28943265.html
QuoteCounsel said one of the girls asked Michael and Paul for a light for a cigarette which resulted in a verbal row with racist undertones including the words 'Niggers' being used and Bobby Kuti took offence and threw a punch at the Barry brothers.
There we go.
You'd wonder why the rest didn't just say that.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 03:14:56 PM
There we go.
You'd wonder why the rest didn't just say that.
Reading around kinda quickly, it seems that back then also there was concern over the potential for inflaming racial tension if too much attention were given to that aspect.
Quote from: Trev on January 05, 2021, 02:56:58 PMI've kinda lost track of where this discussion is now...
It's not a discussion, it's an exercise in point-scoring.
Quote from: Carnage on January 05, 2021, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Trev on January 05, 2021, 02:56:58 PMI've kinda lost track of where this discussion is now...
It's not a discussion, it's an exercise in point-scoring.
Ah, I see the 'not a discussion/exercise in point-scoring' bollocks has already been trotted out! ;)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 02:59:46 PM
to assume it came from whites against blacks, without it being explicitly stated, seems to be the bias Predrito mentioned earlier.
Sure, it's not impossible, but it does seem less likely that the African teenagers hanging out with the white Irish people started shouting racist slurs at two other white Irish people than the other way around, no?
There's a few links just above, Kimble. Or do you mean specifically something stating that they were friends? They played football together, just google the two names and you'll find a few results.
Read your first line there again and tell me that doesn't sound like jumping to conclusions.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: Carnage on January 05, 2021, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Trev on January 05, 2021, 02:56:58 PMI've kinda lost track of where this discussion is now...
It's not a discussion, it's an exercise in point-scoring.
Ah, I see the 'not a discussion/exercise in point-scoring' bollocks has already been trotted out! ;)
Q.E.D.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 05, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 05, 2021, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 05, 2021, 02:59:46 PM
to assume it came from whites against blacks, without it being explicitly stated, seems to be the bias Predrito mentioned earlier.
Sure, it's not impossible, but it does seem less likely that the African teenagers hanging out with the white Irish people started shouting racist slurs at two other white Irish people than the other way around, no?
There's a few links just above, Kimble. Or do you mean specifically something stating that they were friends? They played football together, just google the two names and you'll find a few results.
Read your first line there again and tell me that doesn't sound like jumping to conclusions.
Guilty. I did presume that 10 years ago any Irish journalist writing "racial undertones" in regards to an encounter between white Irish and foreign black individuals would expect their Irish readership to understand that as being racism from the natives towards the foreigners. It could have turned out I was wrong, but the chances were fairly slim, but, yeah, I did jump to that conclusion.
The Indo taking the power of symbols to the other far extreme now by capping this story with a photo of Nkencho as a small child in front of a birthday cake:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/george-nkencho-family-gardai-opened-fire-even-though-they-knew-people-were-inside-the-house-39936928.html
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 06, 2021, 09:20:10 AM
The Indo taking the power of symbols to the other far extreme now by capping this story with a photo of Nkencho as a small child in front of a birthday cake:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/george-nkencho-family-gardai-opened-fire-even-though-they-knew-people-were-inside-the-house-39936928.html
They grow up (and die) so fast. RIP George.... XXxX
This is a decent read, doesn't shy away from talking about butter knives or feds either:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-shooting-racial-tensions-in-dublin-s-suburbs-1.4452459
Good read. Again it seems to come back to the class issue and a case of people being thrown into ghettos. The racism that apparently occurs at football games seems incredibly counter intuitive considering how many celebrated black footballers there are. I don't think football is racist in general but what is the reason for that kind of attitude to prevail in that environment, where you would expect a more open minded attitude to dominate?
They call the Old Firm fans '90 minute bigots', in the sense that during a match against their (in this case religious/ethnic) rivals, they tend to shout, sing or say things that they wouldn't ordinarily. I imagine the same would apply for other kinds of naughty outbursts.
Ah ok, so they are retarded :laugh:
:laugh:
Yeah I think I'm better off ignoring the news
Quote from: Necro Lord on January 11, 2021, 11:12:11 PM
Yeah I think I'm better off ignoring the news
You only realising that now.??? :laugh:
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210108-the-signals-we-send-when-we-get-names-wrong
Amazing 😂😂😂
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 12, 2021, 08:21:36 PM
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210108-the-signals-we-send-when-we-get-names-wrong
Amazing 😂😂😂
Ah for fuck sake just fucking get over it. So they are sending signals that they don't give a fuck. So fucking what?!
Just learn to not give a fuck in return says me ignoring my own advice. Sticks and stones and all that
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 12, 2021, 08:21:36 PM
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210108-the-signals-we-send-when-we-get-names-wrong
Amazing 😂😂😂
:laugh:
The saddest thing about this is that there's always been certain Irish people who give out reams about Brit journalists who can't pronounce Taoiseach and various Irish names.
Yeah sure imagine not being able to pronounce a word you've never seen before the imperialist cunts. And then they really stuck the devil in us all with that imperialist heavy metal music. And all they had to do was get a few names right.
I know a welsh fella who pronounces Áine as On Ya
Yeah, the lead singer from Skerries or wherever he's from must suffer extreme doses of unconscious discrimination!
I wonder what Stalin and the boys would have thought about 'wokeness'? At its core, their doctrine and this shite have nothing in common. The big lad would probably be as nauseated as the rest of us. Which is reassuring :)
Jesus, the feminists will give out about anything.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0111/1188926-seoul-sexism/
During the early stages of pregnancy, women were advised to hang up a small-sized outfit that they want to wear after giving birth to "motivate" them not to overeat or skip exercises.
"By not putting off household chores like cleaning and doing the dishes, it will help with maintaining your weight even without doing extra exercise," the Pregnancy and Childbirth Information Centre website said.
As their due date approaches, an expectant mother should prepare a few meals in advance for her husband who will be "unfamiliar with cooking", and ensure he has clean underwear, socks, shirts and handkerchieves to last him until his wife returns from hospital.
"Avoid causing inconvenience to your family by checking if there are enough toilet paper, toothpaste, toothbrush, soap and detergent," the website stated.
Woman executed yesterday for killing a woman and baby. The first thing people say is "oh the poor woman was mentally ill feel sorry for her". Idiots.
Did she kill yer wan cos she wanted the foetus or something?
Quote from: Blackout on January 13, 2021, 03:19:15 PM
Woman executed yesterday for killing a woman and baby. The first thing people say is "oh the poor woman was mentally ill feel sorry for her". Idiots.
I think it's more that she was a victim of intense sexual abuse as a child, that's what I saw reported anyway. The nature of the murder was fairly "mental" as well; strangled a heavily pregnant woman, cut the baby out of her belly, and tried to make out the baby was hers. And then, 17 years later, executed. Her execution will no doubt be a powerful deterrent to anyone who ever considers committing such an act themselves from here on out!
That last sentence was sarcasm btw. An utterly pointless execution, all things considered... such as y'know, the purported objective of capital punishment.
Don't think opposition to the death penalty reasonably comes under the umbrella of "PC gone mad" unless you're already down a path.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 13, 2021, 03:35:06 PM
Don't think opposition to the death penalty reasonably comes under the umbrella of "PC gone mad" unless you're already down a path.
I wasn't defending the death penalty you idiot, I am saying that the go-to auto-defence of women committing heinous crimes is "hur dur poor woman mentally ill".
I and plenty of people I know have had rough upbringings and never committed a crime in our lives nevermind the murder of a young woman.
The death penalty is not an effective deterrent, that's borne out. Its cunts who truly deserve it, like Jon Venebles, not being punished appropriately that brings people's blood to a boil and shouting for the return of hanging.
I'm not in favour of it simply because there is too much room for error. 'Living' in a horrible maximum security prison in the US with no chance of ever leaving is worse in any case.
From what I've seen in that 'worlds toughest prisons', prisons in Norway and Greenland would suit a hell of a lot of people better who still at liberty.
Quote from: Blackout on January 13, 2021, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 13, 2021, 03:35:06 PM
Don't think opposition to the death penalty reasonably comes under the umbrella of "PC gone mad" unless you're already down a path.
I wasn't defending the death penalty you idiot, I am saying that the go-to auto-defence of women committing heinous crimes is "hur dur poor woman mentally ill". This qualifies as "pc gone mad".
I and plenty of people I know have had rough upbringings and never committed a crime in our lives nevermind the murder of a young woman.
A woman has to be fairly legitimately touched in the head to hack a baby out of a dead woman's womb and try to pass it off as her own. I mean, some acts surely speak for themselves as far as mental stability goes.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 13, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Jesus, the feminists will give out about anything.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0111/1188926-seoul-sexism/
During the early stages of pregnancy, women were advised to hang up a small-sized outfit that they want to wear after giving birth to "motivate" them not to overeat or skip exercises.
"By not putting off household chores like cleaning and doing the dishes, it will help with maintaining your weight even without doing extra exercise," the Pregnancy and Childbirth Information Centre website said.
As their due date approaches, an expectant mother should prepare a few meals in advance for her husband who will be "unfamiliar with cooking", and ensure he has clean underwear, socks, shirts and handkerchieves to last him until his wife returns from hospital.
"Avoid causing inconvenience to your family by checking if there are enough toilet paper, toothpaste, toothbrush, soap and detergent," the website stated.
Must show this to the wife. She is getting away with murder
Quote from: Blackout on January 13, 2021, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 13, 2021, 03:35:06 PM
Don't think opposition to the death penalty reasonably comes under the umbrella of "PC gone mad" unless you're already down a path.
I wasn't defending the death penalty you idiot, I am saying that the go-to auto-defence of women committing heinous crimes is "hur dur poor woman mentally ill".
I and plenty of people I know have had rough upbringings and never committed a crime in our lives nevermind the murder of a young woman.
Ah c'mon. She obviously was suffering some form of mental illness. Normal people don't carry out crimes like that.
Yes plenty of people with tough upbringings don't carry out crimes like that. Why. Because they don't have a mental illness.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 13, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 13, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Jesus, the feminists will give out about anything.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0111/1188926-seoul-sexism/
During the early stages of pregnancy, women were advised to hang up a small-sized outfit that they want to wear after giving birth to "motivate" them not to overeat or skip exercises.
"By not putting off household chores like cleaning and doing the dishes, it will help with maintaining your weight even without doing extra exercise," the Pregnancy and Childbirth Information Centre website said.
As their due date approaches, an expectant mother should prepare a few meals in advance for her husband who will be "unfamiliar with cooking", and ensure he has clean underwear, socks, shirts and handkerchieves to last him until his wife returns from hospital.
"Avoid causing inconvenience to your family by checking if there are enough toilet paper, toothpaste, toothbrush, soap and detergent," the website stated.
Must show this to the wife. She is getting away with murder
Exactly, we fellas have it tough here in the west.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 13, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 13, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Jesus, the feminists will give out about anything.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0111/1188926-seoul-sexism/
During the early stages of pregnancy, women were advised to hang up a small-sized outfit that they want to wear after giving birth to "motivate" them not to overeat or skip exercises.
"By not putting off household chores like cleaning and doing the dishes, it will help with maintaining your weight even without doing extra exercise," the Pregnancy and Childbirth Information Centre website said.
As their due date approaches, an expectant mother should prepare a few meals in advance for her husband who will be "unfamiliar with cooking", and ensure he has clean underwear, socks, shirts and handkerchieves to last him until his wife returns from hospital.
"Avoid causing inconvenience to your family by checking if there are enough toilet paper, toothpaste, toothbrush, soap and detergent," the website stated.
Must show this to the wife. She is getting away with murder
I'd show it to the missus only she'd box the face off me if I did.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 13, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 13, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 13, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Jesus, the feminists will give out about anything.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0111/1188926-seoul-sexism/
During the early stages of pregnancy, women were advised to hang up a small-sized outfit that they want to wear after giving birth to "motivate" them not to overeat or skip exercises.
"By not putting off household chores like cleaning and doing the dishes, it will help with maintaining your weight even without doing extra exercise," the Pregnancy and Childbirth Information Centre website said.
As their due date approaches, an expectant mother should prepare a few meals in advance for her husband who will be "unfamiliar with cooking", and ensure he has clean underwear, socks, shirts and handkerchieves to last him until his wife returns from hospital.
"Avoid causing inconvenience to your family by checking if there are enough toilet paper, toothpaste, toothbrush, soap and detergent," the website stated.
Must show this to the wife. She is getting away with murder
I'd show it to the missus only she'd box the face off me if I did.
:laugh: that is exactly what I'd be getting
It's all in the tone of voice ye use.
Give it a go and report back.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 13, 2021, 04:59:51 PM
It's all in the tone of voice ye use.
Give it a go and report back.
:laugh:
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 13, 2021, 04:59:51 PM
It's all in the tone of voice ye use.
Give it a go and report back.
I'll let her finish the dinner first and then I'll tell her
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 13, 2021, 04:59:51 PM
It's all in the tone of voice ye use.
Give it a go and report back.
My tone would sound like a megaphone as it would be very far away through a megaphone.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/18/trans-woman-jailed-for-15-years-for-raping-another-woman-13921362/
Stretching it a bit now.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 18, 2021, 07:02:25 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/18/trans-woman-jailed-for-15-years-for-raping-another-woman-13921362/
Stretching it a bit now.
'She' should have her full sex change performed anaesthetic free in the prison showers.
Will the degenerate creep be housed in a male or female prison is the question? Should be thrown out of a plane, save the taxpayer some money.
So does he identify as a lesbian with a mickey or what exactly is going on there?
Lots of furious hand wringing over at Vox wondering how to react to this one.
Bullet to the head, bill the family for the lead Chinese style.
Which prison do trans woman go to? Does it depend if they still have their willy? What would JK do?
Fuck, just clicked on the article there. That's a bloke with long hair. He's still got his dick!!! Why referm to him as a she when he's blatantly a guy?!
You brute! Get out of the Stone Age. Men are women and women are men, you Nazi.
Couldn't give a fuck about it's sexuality but fair play to the judge for giving 15 years. The sentences for rape over here are way too fucking lenient.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 19, 2021, 05:54:46 PM
You brute! Get out of the Stone Age. Men are women and women are men, you Nazi.
Don't you mean TERF?
The TERFs killed the baby Jesus.
Had to look up terf. I was far better off not knowing.
......\m/.....
I see some dutch tart has made some gender neutral playing cards.
Talk about playing with a half deck.
I'd say there's still more decks of playing cards with Dutch tarts on them in the world than there are gender neutral ones, don't worry yourselves lads.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 19, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
I'd say there's still more decks of playing cards with Dutch tarts on them in the world than there are gender neutral ones, don't worry yourselves lads.
You're not wrong, ever see some of the postcards they sell in Amsterdam, right on the main street? Some filthy flange on display there.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 19, 2021, 06:54:54 PM
Had to look up terf. I was far better off not knowing.
They're getting rid of the Terf now i thought?
Quote from: Blackout on January 19, 2021, 08:36:01 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 19, 2021, 06:54:54 PM
Had to look up terf. I was far better off not knowing.
They're getting rid of the Terf now i thought?
Phasing it out real soon hopefully.
Speaking of decks of cards the brother had one with stills from animal farm on it when we were young lads. Iirc the mother caught him with it
I'm taking it's not the george orwell film :laugh:
Yeah. Some deck.
It was so far ahead of its time in terms of equality. Will we ever be so enlightened again probably not.
https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1348660070436007936
Food for thought re equality, although the responses from both sides are predictable. I think myself that an all-inclusive recruitment ad could do with being less exclusive in it's inclusivity.
Literally the next thing she says provides the rationale:
https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1348660071862034433?s=19
I.e. history suggests that enough men are guaranteed to apply already, no encouragement needed.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2021, 05:25:42 PM
Literally the next thing she says provides the rationale:
https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1348660071862034433?s=19
I.e. history suggests that enough men are guaranteed to apply already, no encouragement needed.
Gender and background more important then actual expertise in the law then? The correct legal term for that, Minister, is BULLSHIT.The second comment....
Some reactionary idiot was inevitably going to make that comment, so why not "Miller Jackson" with his 7 followers.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2021, 05:25:42 PM
Literally the next thing she says provides the rationale:
https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1348660071862034433?s=19
I.e. history suggests that enough men are guaranteed to apply already, no encouragement needed.
I did say the responses would be predictable!
You don't think then that saying something along the lines of "All qualified applicants are welcomed" covers it in terms of equality?
Quote from: astfgyl on January 23, 2021, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2021, 05:25:42 PM
Literally the next thing she says provides the rationale:
https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1348660071862034433?s=19
I.e. history suggests that enough men are guaranteed to apply already, no encouragement needed.
I did say the responses would be predictable!
It's not a response though, it's the second part of the initial tweet. It's what is called a "twitter thread"; a single post spread across several tweets due to number of character limitations.
None of this kind of thing is surprising anymore. This story from a few years ago was simply astounding
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.9news.com.au/article/bee004a2-30dd-4d94-ac5f-126eec7d6237
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2021, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 23, 2021, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2021, 05:25:42 PM
Literally the next thing she says provides the rationale:
https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1348660071862034433?s=19
I.e. history suggests that enough men are guaranteed to apply already, no encouragement needed.
I did say the responses would be predictable!
It's not a response though, it's the second part of the initial tweet. It's what is called a "twitter thread"; a single post spread across several tweets due to number of character limitations.
Indeed it is a twitter thread. And your response is still predictable. Do you think that in the interests of true equality she really needed to say that?
Would "All qualified persons are welcome to apply" really not cut it, or does everything have to be some sort of stealthy virtue signalling? Look how progressive we are. we employ (insert suitable minority group here).
I think as long as we treat anyone of any background as a separate group, the farther we will ever be from truly achieving equality. Any thoughts around that?
Of course! The narrative now is that white people are evil, white people suck, particularly white men, and if you disagree, you are a white supremacist and a misogynist. It's a confidence trick of gargantuan quality and efficacy.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2021, 05:45:25 PM
Some reactionary idiot was inevitably going to make that comment, so why not "Miller Jackson" with his 7 followers.
Why is he an idiot?
Because he can't even spell his own name. It's Jiller Macksnon, you Nazi!
What's she doing on Twitter anyway? If a minister communicates it should be done in a serious and thought out fashion. Things should be explained and not need cutting down to bitesize chunks for illiterate mongoloids. And before anyone mentions Donald Trump-fuck off!
Quote from: astfgyl on January 23, 2021, 06:06:25 PM
Would "All qualified persons are welcome to apply" really not cut it, or does everything have to be some sort of stealthy virtue signalling? Look how progressive we are. we employ (insert suitable minority group here).
I think as long as we treat anyone of any background as a separate group, the farther we will ever be from truly achieving equality. Any thoughts around that?
QuoteJust 23 per cent of solicitor applications and 31 per cent of barrister applications in the last round in June were from women.
So, all they're doing is trying to encourage more women
to apply. If they were simply going to choose any old woman who happened to apply, simply to meet a quota, then they'd have no problem with the fact that less
apply, would they?
Also, what you don't seem to realize, is that when it comes to Senior Counsel in Ireland, "diverse backgrounds" can mean literally anyone outside of a man who went to either Blackrock College or Gonzaga, etc., and then to Trinity.
I reckon though if a woman does get the job, after that tweet it'll be followed by constant allegations of only getting it because they were a woman and could undermine their work.
Whereas if it was just put out as something like astgjgyhjfyjl said and a woman still ended up in the position no one would bat an eyelid
This is it. Anything with a whiff of affirmative action or 'equalising' opportunity by the above means makes resentment and condescension inevitable.
Has anybody been required to do inclusivity or unconscious bias training? Kurt Bonnie Prince Charlie, take a look at what Chris and pals have planned for us in the workplace :)
https://youtu.be/WFtcgwvZSlM
Sign me up for the Sexism brainwashing session.
The examples of 'micro aggressions' are so dumb that there is no way a rational person could take them seriously.
Condescension is inevitable in Senior Counsel already. It's very much a boys club atmosphere. Rock Boys, moreover.
Christ on a crutch lads, ye are spouting some fucking childish, foolish drivel here.
In order to Qualify for senior counsel the applicant must have at least a dozen years as junior counsel under their belt, as such the scummy bloodcunts in the Dept. of justice know exactly who may apply for the post.
To my knowledge there are no "minorities" in acting junior counsel posts presently. there are a number of women.
Who gets the job is the person who has networked, cajoled, lobbied, slapped backs or sucked cocks the best during their time as junior counsel.
Its not who they are, its who they know.
Some of that is undeniable.
No disrespect to anyone in the legal profession here, but they are up there with the internal revenue (absolute cabal of gangsters here in Spain) as the biggest nest of fucking bastards going, regardless of what their privy parts look like. Hard to avoid dealing with either in life, mores the pity.
My sister is a lawyer, incidentally.
Is she good looking?
I might have a job for her.
Wit and discretion from this lad ☝🏻
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2021, 07:13:26 PM
Also, what you don't seem to realize, is that when it comes to Senior Counsel in Ireland, "diverse backgrounds" can mean literally anyone outside of a man who went to either Blackrock College or Gonzaga, etc., and then to Trinity.
I do realise that. I also don't think that being female should in any way preclude anybody from the job. Same goes for any other under-represented group. I believe in the ideal of true equality, where no one gives a fuck who or what you are and you either suit a given position through your qualifications or not and no one gets to be fucking special because there are less of them.
It's like when someone says that minorities are under-represented in governments etc, I think sure why wouldn't they be if things are fair? If a group makes up 10% of the population, it might be proportional if they only make up 10% of a typical workforce. All of this focus on diversity seems counterproductive to me. We're all human and differences are part of that. So fucking what if less women apply to that job, it's up to themselves to have the belief to apply, and it shouldn't be discouraged or encouraged, just let it happen.
All this equality shit has set us all back years by constantly pointing out differences and making distinct groups out of everyone. No need for it, shit was progressing anyway. Surely most of us are enlightened enough to think that people should be given equal opportunity without it being pointed out to us all the time. The whole world could do with taking the yokes, it would sort a lot out. I bet every one of us here has friends of different nationalities, religions, any of the 45 genders etc, so we already know all of this. Like there is only one judgement and that is are people sound or not. Personally, beyond that I don't give a flying fuck. People in positions like McEntee there should know better and simply point out that all are welcome instead of pointing out that some are more welcome than others.
I work for a company with over 80% female workforce. So fucking what? Do I think every day that there should be more blokes in it? No, I don't give a fuck once I have a job and get paid. I don't even feel like I'm in the minority, it doesn't make a fuck of a difference. I applied, I got the job, end of. Isn't everyone an equal opportunities employer these days and has been for years?
You're reading into it all skewed. Since there is a pretty damn well justified reason for believing that access to Senior Counsel is a boys club type affair (even Morrigan alluded to this above), women in Junior Counsel are less likely to apply...and so disparity continues. The word from above is that, no, it's no longer a boys club deciding, so please, women, apply; you do have as much of a chance. So, in fact, encouraging women to apply is the only way of saying that "all are welcome", because the default understanding is already that "some are more welcome than others". See?
If a certain ilk of person wasn't so keen to find offense at what they perceive to be overly "progressive" trends, then, indeed, no one would have batted an eyelid at this word of encouragement. Personally, I think parity in law and parity in politics are of particular importance, insofar as "representation" is of any meaning. You can't just compare wherever it is you work to the courts of the land, to the law-makers of the land, and especially not in Ireland (among other countries) where the law has been so absolutely deaf to women's plights for decades. If you really think about it, we actually are a country where we need things to be pointed out to us all the time, aren't we?
'The plight of women'. Ya. Most American women didn't want suffrage when it was granted, as there was a widespread fear of it being a prerequisite to being obliged to do military service. Being cannon fodder was and always has been a big, back slapping 'here we are now, all the lads' club too though, right?
King of the ludicrous non sequitur. Conversation is about historical reasoning for promoting gender parity in the Irish legal system, Kev brings up fear of US women being used as cannon fodder. Couldn't find anything "pertinent" from South Africa for this one, no?
You said it was a big boys club, which as far as I can tell is idle speculation.
I'm referring to your white knighting with the 'plight' of women. You mean, when a Ryanair trip was needed to have live dismemberment performed on the unborn? Or the 'slavery' of marriage?
Or the 'pay gap' (ha ha)?
I think it's pretty obvious that this Morrigan chap and I come from very different political poles, but he also takes it as fact that Senior Counsel and the inner bar in Ireland are an old boys club. Besides which, I have two classmates who work in the four courts, one male, one female, both of whom struggle because they went to some unknown Irish school in Bray rather than one of the private old boys schools, like Blackrock or Gonzaga, who explicitly promote each others careers, fight against reform to access to those schools, etc. It is well known, not idle speculation.
As for why it may be good to have gender parity before the law rather than letting only men decide, I think you do quite a good enough job illustrating why that is all by yourself.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 24, 2021, 09:14:52 AM
You said it was a big boys club, which as far as I can tell is idle speculation.
I'm referring to your white knighting with the 'plight' of women. You mean, when a Ryanair trip was needed to have live dismemberment performed on the unborn? Or the 'slavery' of marriage?
Or the 'pay gap' (ha ha)?
Well yeah I would include access to abortion, but you could throw in stuff like the laundries, or even more recent the complete shite made of maternity care during lockdown
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 24, 2021, 09:51:44 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that this Morrigan chap and I come from very different political poles, but he also takes it as fact that Senior Counsel and the inner bar in Ireland are an old boys club. Besides which, I have two classmates who work in the four courts, one male, one female, both of whom struggle because they went to some unknown Irish school in Bray rather than one of the private old boys schools, like Blackrock or Gonzaga, who explicitly promote each others careers, fight against reform to access to those schools, etc. It is well known, not idle speculation.
If the issue is that its full of Blackrock and Gonzaga lads, why not tweet that they encourage people from all types of secondary schools to apply
I have no idea what you are trying to say with gender parity before the law instead of letting men decide.
If anything, the law treats men more severely, considering they often receive harsher sentences than women for similar infractions.
The gender violence law in Spain is an ugly, sexist law favouring women and putting the shits up every male who has ever called a woman a naughty word. A friend of mine was arrested and faced a judge because after discovering his girlfriend cheated on him, he sent her a WhatsApp calling her all kinds of hoors, and this was deemed 'gender violence'. The case was dismissed, clearly, but the law stipulates court proceedings for any kind of aggression, verbal, imagined or otherwise but only if it is a man against a woman. No evidence required, a complaint is sufficient. The chap nearly shat himself. What about the plight of men, Kristoph? With the suicide rates, homelessness, mental illness and victimisation by criminals? White knight me you man hater! 🥺
I'll give your buddies in the Soviet Union their due, your Uncle Joe had women manning anti aircraft flak guns at Stalingrad and Leningrad. An astonished German landser commented in a letter home 'we couldn't believe our eyes when we saw the Russian women struggling to operate the guns. We pitied them as war is no place for a woman, and they died quickly and without resistance' (from Beevors 'Stalingrad').
I'm not saying women haven't been the victims of widespread injustice in the past. Everyone group has had their 'plights', and all are 'valid' unless you happen to be a Caucasian with a Mickey who prefers a bit of California Roll over a greasy chorizo.
Moreover, there are full on anti-white racist videos allowed by YouTube, but woe betide you if any other hue is taken to task in the same way.
As I alluded to before, men who stick up for themselves are now misogynists and white people who do similarly are tank gunners in the SS Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler.
This is also the only group who can be ridiculed, lambasted AS A GROUP, used in satire or comedy without any fear of repercussions.
Quote from: Trev on January 24, 2021, 09:58:15 AM
If the issue is that its full of Blackrock and Gonzaga lads, why not tweet that they encourage people from all types of secondary schools to apply
That would certainly be more amusing! :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 24, 2021, 01:07:17 AM
You're reading into it all skewed. Since there is a pretty damn well justified reason for believing that access to Senior Counsel is a boys club type affair (even Morrigan alluded to this above), women in Junior Counsel are less likely to apply...and so disparity continues. The word from above is that, no, it's no longer a boys club deciding, so please, women, apply; you do have as much of a chance. So, in fact, encouraging women to apply is the only way of saying that "all are welcome", because the default understanding is already that "some are more welcome than others". See?
If a certain ilk of person wasn't so keen to find offense at what they perceive to be overly "progressive" trends, then, indeed, no one would have batted an eyelid at this word of encouragement. Personally, I think parity in law and parity in politics are of particular importance, insofar as "representation" is of any meaning. You can't just compare wherever it is you work to the courts of the land, to the law-makers of the land, and especially not in Ireland (among other countries) where the law has been so absolutely deaf to women's plights for decades. If you really think about it, we actually are a country where we need things to be pointed out to us all the time, aren't we?
Not disputing the historical points there and some of the trends might take longer to die than others but there is no need to single out certain groups for encouragement because as I said at the beginning, that goes against what I see as proper equality. What happens if there are 75% women applying for it and the job goes to a man? Is that equality then? Or 75% men and the job goes to a woman? Does it really matter and does it really need to be said? Like why would someone want more women to apply if not to have a greater chance of giving the job to a woman.
We will all get a lot farther with the equality if we stop pointing out the differences all the time. Are there any of us here who treat women as a group worse than men? Probably not. Or minority groups? Same, probably not. So my thinking on it all is that if the regular people on the street come round to not caring who or what somebody is, it should sooner or later be represented in higher up positions. Might take a generation or 2 but all this push for equality is usually from groups who want to be treated more equally than others. It's divisive.
Couldn't find this last night, but it was doing the rounds last year. This is a man in late middle age talking about his secondary school, ffs, and to much applause from fellow alumni. Rock Boys for life! :-[
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZKt9R0UYAEDtNu.jpg)
:laugh: Go on the Rock Boys!
Actually having read that, I've changed my mind. I encourage any and all who are not Rock Boys to apply!
Fucking hell. Just got a bit of vomit coming up after reading that rock boy shyte.
There is something a bit sad in people who can't let their school years go and define their entire existence around those five adolescent years. Same with people who attend prestigious colleges and have to remind you all the time as if it somehow is a reflection on what a great person they are. Then again, whenever I see students wearing hoodies with their university logo loudly and proudly printed across the front I feel a strong urge to aim the car at the footpath.
That Rock boys thing is pathetic. What gimps.
So the rock boys don't actually RAWK? That's a bit gay.
Well, they "rawk" in the sense that they know they can literally get away with murder. I suppose I'll be told that's idle speculation too though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 24, 2021, 10:14:15 AM
I have no idea what you are trying to say with gender parity before the law instead of letting men decide.
If anything, the law treats men more severely, considering they often receive harsher sentences than women for similar infractions.
The gender violence law in Spain is an ugly, sexist law favouring women and putting the shits up every male who has ever called a woman a naughty word. A friend of mine was arrested and faced a judge because after discovering his girlfriend cheated on him, he sent her a WhatsApp calling her all kinds of hoors, and this was deemed 'gender violence'. The case was dismissed, clearly, but the law stipulates court proceedings for any kind of aggression, verbal, imagined or otherwise but only if it is a man against a woman. No evidence required, a complaint is sufficient. The chap nearly shat himself. What about the plight of men, Kristoph? With the suicide rates, homelessness, mental illness and victimisation by criminals? White knight me you man hater! 🥺
I'll give your buddies in the Soviet Union their due, your Uncle Joe had women manning anti aircraft flak guns at Stalingrad and Leningrad. An astonished German landser commented in a letter home 'we couldn't believe our eyes when we saw the Russian women struggling to operate the guns. We pitied them as war is no place for a woman, and they died quickly and without resistance' (from Beevors 'Stalingrad').
I'm not saying women haven't been the victims of widespread injustice in the past. Everyone group has had their 'plights', and all are 'valid' unless you happen to be a Caucasian with a Mickey who prefers a bit of California Roll over a greasy chorizo.
Moreover, there are full on anti-white racist videos allowed by YouTube, but woe betide you if any other hue is taken to task in the same way.
As I alluded to before, men who stick up for themselves are now misogynists and white people who do similarly are tank gunners in the SS Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler.
This is also the only group who can be ridiculed, lambasted AS A GROUP, used in satire or comedy without any fear of repercussions.
Conservatives are generally supposed to be anti-cosmopolitan, and yet you just can't help yourself reaching out all across the globe to find the juiciest anecdotes and historical anomalies to shore up your arguments against...what were we talking about again? Ah yes, Irish women specifically having been historically dealt a shit hand, and Irish men in positions of power, of their own accord, not really ever having done that much to redress the situation. But please, tell us more about these dismissed court proceedings in Spain, they sound fascinating.
Says the man with the most consistently unread posts in the history of the internet!
You didn't specify Irish women.
Also, I think you have a profound misunderstanding of the word cosmopolitan. Perhaps you mean multiculturalism. Neither make even the most rudimentary sense relative to your point, but sure, that's your patter
https://www.etymonline.com/word/cosmopolitan
https://www.etymonline.com/word/cosmopolite
It's a much more meaningful word than most think: "it faded in 18c. but was revived from c. 1800 with a tinge of reproachfulness (opposed to patriot)."
:abbath:
https://youtu.be/WmV9BZcxwMM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 24, 2021, 09:51:44 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that this Morrigan chap and I come from very different political poles, but he also takes it as fact that Senior Counsel and the inner bar in Ireland are an old boys club. Besides which, I have two classmates who work in the four courts, one male, one female, both of whom struggle because they went to some unknown Irish school in Bray rather than one of the private old boys schools, like Blackrock or Gonzaga, who explicitly promote each others careers, fight against reform to access to those schools, etc. It is well known, not idle speculation.
As for why it may be good to have gender parity before the law rather than letting only men decide, I think you do quite a good enough job illustrating why that is all by yourself.
My I enquire sir as to what "political pole" you, in your great wisdom, have decided I "come from" and as to what information you used to reach this grand and all-knowing decision?
The only thing that is "obvious" from the post to which you refer is the fact that I hold the dept. of justice in very low regard, an opinion which I think you will find is common across all political and social groupings.
Over-reach and unfounded conclusions on your part methinks.
with regard to the "old boys club", which I agree with you is as blatantly obvious as the nose on justice Wolfes face, the same club prevails in the civil service, ESB, Bord na Mona, county councils and any other body one can think of that the grubby little hands of the state has/had an involvement in, not forgetting of course the houses of the Oireachtas themselves. Just look at how senate seats are filled and the family dynasties which pollute Leinster House.
Also, lest we forget, Minister McIntee herself got elected a TD following the untimely and tragic death of her father who held the seat before her, thanks to the support of the old boys club in the county councils.
One cannot help but titter at the irony of her position and marvel at the arrogance she shows in how she uses it.
Equality indeed.
You have more than one post on the forum over the last couple of weeks and have said things I personally would never say, from which I - and anyone else who knows both my and your posts - can safely conclude that we come at life from different political poles. I don't know claim to know what yours is, it's just obvious it's different to mine. Nothing controversial.
Edit: :abbath:
Fair enough.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 24, 2021, 10:14:15 AM
Moreover, there are full on anti-white racist videos allowed by YouTube, but woe betide you if any other hue is taken to task in the same way.
On this note, I saw this today and found it hard to watch.
That little girl sitting on the edge of her bed, holding back the tears after being asked about the first time she realised she was white, is horrendous.
No surprise that the comments are turned off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lnTvwdoQFw&t=7s&ab_channel=RATMVEVO
Fucking Hell, that is grotesque.
Infuriating. De La Rocha is an intellectual infant, talking the typical junior cert level shite which is his limit. Bordering on child abuse with the questions that little girl is being asked. You'd swear she was some German League of Girls member who has just been told her Dad and brother were in the SS Einsatzgruppe and how she feels about it.
Howard Zinn is a Marxist, but he's also responsible for one of the greatest books on history ever written, and that quote they plucked from him is laughably misleading.
'Team White'. FUCK OFF. It's this total bullshit that breeds Poland 2015, Austrian identitarians and Dylan Roofe.
Cult behaviour, child abuse- nothing borderline about it, the promotion of self hatred and demoralisation based on skin colour, outright racism. It's outlandish and disgusting. How is it in any way progressive or productive beyond virtue signalling self flagellation? Sick.
I wonder how long it will take for those teens to come out as having been brainwashed. What sort of long term psychological damage is being done to young woke kids with this rubbish? It's unhealthy on a personal and societal level to be so negative and naval gazey.
People confuse things. They think religion was the problem in the past. It wasn't. It was just the perverts and degenerates that saw a loophole and infested the priesthood. They were there when the Nazis were around, they latched onto revolutions of all types. Russia, Cambodia, Germany, wherever you look they keep popping up. In many ways they are the true vampires of world history.
They find a way into every position of power in all generations and now in this generation it's very clear where they are focussed. The woke movement, the trans for kids thing, this whole anti white movement. And when we are all looking back in 30 years time asking why we didn't do something to stop it, their type will be moving into the new priesthood of its time, bringing their psychological assault to bear ALWAYS on kids, the weak. That video is fucked. Zack de la Rocha etc should be ashamed of themselves if they are attached to it.
Ugh. I'm more annoyed that I had to hear RAtM. Fuck you I'm not doing me homework.
Is it wrong that this popped into my head?
https://youtu.be/C9XQDofW17A
That De La Rocha interview, if memory recalls, is from a Japanese TV appearance from around 25 years ago. He does really show his intellectual immaturity by not referencing some irrelevant tabloid anecdote though, like a wiser man might have done.
The whole enterprise, as depicted in the video, seems like a rather ham-fisted attempt to answer James Baldwin's famous question (which was asked in the context of the USA of the 50s, 60s): "What white people have to do is try and find out in their own hearts why it is necessary to have a 'nigger' in the first place, because I'm not a nigger. I'm a man. But if you think I'm a nigger, it means you need it."
Yup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea3O3Ql2D44
There was a quote from every other band member at the end of the video too, but not from him. So either he wasn't available for comment, or didn't want to actively participate. Don't really know what he's up to these days, but he was always the one most involved in genuine grassroots activism.
Ya, round of applause for being 'involved in genuine grassroots activism'! The writers of the 'Gesetz über die Hitlerjugend 'and Ulster Young Loyalists drilling NCOs were involved in 'grassroots activism' too.
If you honestly believe any of the nihilists and child abusers involved in making this video have any idea who James Baldwin was, much less trying to answer his 'famous' (in reality obscure, perhaps famous amongst your sociology graduate mates,) quote, you are actively deluding yourself.
No offence, but quoting the 50's and 60's is in many ways very convenient and also misleading. My grandfather wasn't even my age in the 60's. Spain was a dictatorship, Russia was communist, German adults of our age had been involved in or lived through Nazism and WW2. Portugal was a dictatorship. Ireland was repressed, poor and controlled by a rampant clergy. Many countries that are now modern and world leaders were at stone age levels of development. Most of our grandparents didn't even finish secondary school, let alone even dream of university. The advances in terms of health, education, technology, the awareness of a world outside your town or province, the openness of borders and air travel. And none of that has an effect? A black person in America hasn't pushed on somewhat? Race relations haven't improved? Catholics and Protestants in NI don't, for the most part, have a somewhat different attitude to eachother or a desire for peace? People like those in the video are picking and choosing what they want to include in their messages. Yes, things were bad, but they're a whole lot better now and they continue to improe. The idea that some little child needs to be brutalised because of her black skin or her white skin and the sins of the long distant past is repugnant. And if you feel it isn't then maybe it's time to load up your car with semtex and drive it into the nearest protestant school or church you live near. Ridiculous.
What I was saying about De La Rocha was that he doesn't seem to be directly involved with this, and that may be because he was always the one more involved with genuine grassroots activism (containing no claim to that being positive or negative), which this project does not seem to be about. I wouldn't call whatever this thing is "grassroots activism."
The scene with the little girl is really weird alright. I wonder what her story is. You all seem damn sure, based on very little evidence, but personally I couldn't conclude. Maybe she's simply the unfortunate child of absolute weirdos. Maybe her story is that she realized she was white one day playing with just a friend when someone started bullying that friend and calling them a nigger. We just don't know, do we? The difference is that some don't care that they don't know; no reason not to leap to a conclusion!
In any case, I didn't say a single positive thing about it, but it does seem like a "ham-fisted" (not at all a compliment, though apparently this needs clarifying) attempt to respond to the kind of question James Baldwin was asking in the 50s and 60s...and the fact that I pointed out that he was speaking in a different era means that I already recognize that the difference of epoch is significant, but apparently I should have spelt that out too.
There is no justification for putting a child in front of a camera and causing him/her distress. Even if that bizarre performance is genuine on her part, although I'd be more inclined to think it's the narcissism of the parents at play, why would you use her anguish in such a cynical way. It's ugly,and the parents are doing their daughter harm just to further their own interests.
The teenagers are being groomed by a muppet so their parents have something to answer too.
And yes, before you all ask, Groomed By A Muppet is my new Jim Henson inspired Anal Cunt tribute band and we are available for Christenings.
That's a pity; we won't be christening our child, as it's a form of child abuse.
Even gamers aren't exempt from the perpetual bullshit.
Poor aul Ninja..... :-\
https://youtu.be/v008zIURUNI
Ah dear old genius George. Sadly missed....
https://youtu.be/7EMiSsxpP0E
Dunno who the fuck this lad is but he makes a good point:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1354887582920794113
That point being that the elites amplify identification based on superficial differences, like skin colour and ethnic origin, in order to keep the masses - comprised of all colours - divided amongst themselves? Indeed, but now where have I heard an albeit hamfisted version of exactly that same point recently...
Big Donnie's ❤️ Twitter account? :laugh:
Could have been: Those twigged on their media sources will now that Redfish, the uploader of the version of the vid astfgyl just posted there, is a Russian state-affiliated outlet! :laugh: :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 29, 2021, 08:33:01 AM
That point being that the elites amplify identification based on superficial differences, like skin colour and ethnic origin, in order to keep the masses - comprised of all colours - divided amongst themselves? Indeed, but now where have I heard an albeit hamfisted version of exactly that same point recently...
I think I was making a ham fisted version of that point back when George floyd was killed and it was all just kicking off. If trump said that as well then fair play to him. And if Biden starts saying it then it will still be a good point.
Didn't know about redfish, but not surprised in the least as if anything is followed back enough these days, the sources are nefarious, so I have to stick with playing the ball
Trump definitely didn't say it. It was, once again, the point being ham fistedly made in that apparently RATM endorsed video about "the fiction of whiteness".
Trump DID say it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 29, 2021, 12:29:49 PM
Trump definitely didn't say it. It was, once again, the point being ham fistedly made in that apparently RATM endorsed video about "the fiction of whiteness".
:laugh:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 29, 2021, 12:48:51 PM
Trump DID say it.
Trump said that class division had been historically and intentionally amplified by a wealthy elite and their lackeys in order to divide the lumpen proletariat and thus prevent them from rising up and toppling the real holders of power?
I guess I must have missed that tweet.
I didn't watch that RATM video. I had the impression from the reaction here that it was going to be some sort of white apologist thing.
Either way the chap in the video made a good point in what looks like the 1970s and it seems we haven't moved much on that since then.
It's a pity someone like the president of the US wouldn't say something similar. But that would be bad for business. It seems to me that in either capitalism or socialism that there is always a ruling elite who get to step on us ants and make laws and rules which don't apply to themselves.
I don't even know what the fairest way of doing things would be but neither of the main 2 philosophies seem to do the trick.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/29/black-lives-matter-nobel-peace-prize-petter-eide-norweigan-mp
A fiery but mostly peaceful Prize. ;D
Quote from: astfgyl on January 29, 2021, 01:39:29 PMIt seems to me that in either capitalism or socialism that there is always a ruling elite who get to step on us ants and make laws and rules which don't apply to themselves.
I blame the lobster DNA.
Is that another example of the carcination that nature is so fond of?
I wonder how subtly my thinking was influenced by the amount of times I've seen the quote from the movie Antz while searching the EatTheRich hashtag. I don't usually use that term
https://www.etsy.com/listing/892267551/in-this-house-we-believe-black-lives
BLM nominated for president he Nobel peace Prize.
Ah they're messing now.
Ya, that's mental.
The fool who nominated them said that the violence that they were involved in and the chaos they caused was really the work of the police or evil counter protesters.
How stupid and delusional do they think the general public is?
This other lad looking at 10 years in the slammer over some meme where he 'suppressed' voters rights, or tricked voters into thinking they could text in their vote. It was obvious to anyone of even the meanest intellect that it was a spoof, and if anyone was stupid enough to take it seriously, they must have been under 7 and therefore ineligible to vote.Ten years, even off you think what he did was criminal is nuts.
Chairman Mao sent lads off for ten years for similarly trivial bullshit like this.
https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/west-palm-beach-man-faces-federal-charges-for-voter-disinformation-campaign-in-2016-election
Quote from: astfgyl on January 30, 2021, 04:26:22 PM
https://www.etsy.com/listing/892267551/in-this-house-we-believe-black-lives
:laugh:
Sure Trump is nominated too, so all the nonsense balances out. In any case, the Nobel peace Prize is a crock, and even the scientific one is an out-dated relic at this stage, not representative of how science is conducted at all anymore.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 30, 2021, 06:16:46 PM
This other lad looking at 10 years in the slammer over some meme where he 'suppressed' voters rights, or tricked voters into thinking they could text in their vote. It was obvious to anyone of even the meanest intellect that it was a spoof, and if anyone was stupid enough to take it seriously, they must have been under 7 and therefore ineligible to vote.Ten years, even off you think what he did was criminal is nuts.
Chairman Mao sent lads off for ten years for similarly trivial bullshit like this.
https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news/investigations/west-palm-beach-man-faces-federal-charges-for-voter-disinformation-campaign-in-2016-election
This is one of the original reports from 2016:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/03/no-you-cant-text-your-vote-but-these-ads-tell-clinton-supporters-to-do-just-that/
Lots of people could have been fooled by that. 5,000 is the real number estimate. That's pretty big in terms of federal law. If you physically stole 5,000 ballot cards you'd be put away for a lot longer. Anyway, if you don't know yet that thousands of US citizens have been put away for longer and for objectively lesser wrongs, then I guess that explains why you think you need to look to Mao for a comparison.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 30, 2021, 07:28:25 PM
Sure Trump is nominated too, so all the nonsense balances out. In any case, the Nobel peace Prize is a crock, and even the scientific one is an out-dated relic at this stage, not representative of how science is conducted at all anymore.
Trump didn't start any foreign entanglements or wars, and you'd have to go quite a ways back in presidential history for the last one who didn't do that. There is at least a modicum of logic to that, whereas there is none to the Black Lives Matter nomination. Saying 'yeah but they nominated Adolf Trump too' is both lazy and unconvincing if you're attempting to justify the nomination.
Whether it's a crock or not, it's nevertheless coveted, and the symbolism of this latest madness is clear, and alarming. A penny for poor Seqouia's parents (black people, who's lives do matter) thoughts this evening.
Going back to Mackey, have you seem the meme? Only a complete idiot or maybe, possibly an infant would consider it to be anything other than spoof. Worth ten years in federal prison? The usual rags have at least tried to thicken the dough by claiming that he's a racist and he should be locked up for that even if this is meme business is a bit silly.
The Mao comparison. I've read a lengthy and thorough biography of the man, and let's put it this way. He went out of his way to get revenge on his enemies after he came to power, bullets or one way tickets for sod all. Do you want me to draw you a picture? Or am I a QAnon Don?
Please, give me a lesser offence which carries a lengthier sentence, without the false equivalency of the three strikes rule.
I posted the 2016 WP article because it contains various examples of the images that were spread around.
The WP link may not work for everyone. Here they are here:
https://fortune.com/2016/11/03/text-vote-hillary-clinton/
What they certainly aren't is "memes"
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 30, 2021, 07:52:06 PM
Trump didn't start any foreign entanglements or wars, and you'd have to go quite a ways back in presidential history for the last one who didn't do that.
Ya he didn't start any war but he ramped up drone strikes and then stopped the reporting of the figures of drone strikes so he's just like the pricks before him.
Which ones did he ramp up? Figures?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 30, 2021, 11:29:57 PM
Which ones did he ramp up? Figures?
More drone strikes per year than Obama. Then stopped the reporting of said figures. So another war winger prick. I'm in a hoop now. Another zoom beers. :abbath: But I will post the link tomorrow with the info. They're all the fucking same. Cunts the fucking lot of them.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47480207
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-have-bombed-yemen-more-than-bush-and-obama-combined-2020-10%3famp
Poor enough from the Big Lad alright.
https://twitter.com/ShantMM/status/1355262931672293376
Now there's some successful satire! :laugh:
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 31, 2021, 03:34:57 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47480207
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-have-bombed-yemen-more-than-bush-and-obama-combined-2020-10%3famp
We went through all this back in October, when Kev also didn't want to believe it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 31, 2021, 09:48:51 PM
Now there's some successful satire! :laugh:
I thought it was very well played. I did a scoot around on him then, and found this article which was a good read: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/12/the-lefts-culture-war-rebranding
Seemed like a nice and balanced perspective but I dunno his general opinion or what angle he usually comes from
https://www.amazon.com/AntiRacist-Baby-Ibram-X-Kendi/dp/0593110412
Read about this yesterday:
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) wants humans to stop using animal words as "slurs" in what it says is a "speciesist" and "supremacist" use of language.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7604624/peta-animal-name-insults/
And searching for the article I came across this:
"Animal rights group PETA says the word 'pet' objectifies animals, and we should stop using it. Instead, the group says, dog owners should call themselves dog 'guardians,' and pets should be referred to as 'companion animals'
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/animal-rights-group-peta-says-the-word-pet-is-patronizing-to-animals-and-we-should-stop-using-it
They really are a special case of stupid.
How long before that also applies to "Pests"?
Companion Pains in the Hole from now on
:laugh:
Really fighting the big fight there alright. I'm all for treating animals humanely (when I'm not eating them ::) ) but I'm not deluded enough to confuse them with actual humans. And I'm proud of that.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 01, 2021, 09:42:31 PM
Read about this yesterday:
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) wants humans to stop using animal words as "slurs" in what it says is a "speciesist" and "supremacist" use of language.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7604624/peta-animal-name-insults/
And searching for the article I came across this:
"Animal rights group PETA says the word 'pet' objectifies animals, and we should stop using it. Instead, the group says, dog owners should call themselves dog 'guardians,' and pets should be referred to as 'companion animals'
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/animal-rights-group-peta-says-the-word-pet-is-patronizing-to-animals-and-we-should-stop-using-it
They really are a special case of stupid.
I wonder how they feel a out pets in the house in general, the entire unnaturalness of keeping animals locked in apartments and having to wait til their owners get home to shite, taking them on airplanes etc? The name you call them is far from the worst thing that their 'psyche' could be experiencing if they want to go down that road.
QuoteIn a perfect world, all animals would be free from human interference and free to live their lives the way nature intended. They would be part of the ecological web of life, as they were before humans domesticated them. But the world that we live in is far from perfect, and domestic cats and dogs are not capable of surviving on their own, so it is our responsibility to take the best possible care of these animals. Please be assured that PETA does not oppose kind people who share their lives and homes with animal companions whom they love, treat well, and care for properly.
https://www.peta.org/issues/animal-companion-issues/companion-animals-faq/
As sensible as that sounds, you only ever hear about Peta when some celebrity decides to make a declaration on their behalf, or else when they come out with something ludicrous.
I hope nobody takes offence, and I can assure you it is not my intent to cause offence, when I say that the "people" who form the P part of PETA should be universally declared as a new form of animal vermin and be systematically exterminated in as inhumane a way as humanly possible.
Personally I'd like to see them disenboweled and hung by the neck with their own entrails but I'm sure everyone has their own favourite method.
I'm currently setting up a rival organisation to PETA with an aim to crush them under my foot like the little ants they are. My organisation is also called PETA but mine stands for Please Exterminate The Animals, the animals in question of course, being PETA (the other PETA).
What a bunch of bovine cunts they are.
Fuck them, and the horse they rode in on.
What about PETAETO.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Except The Tasty Ones.
Don't get me wrong now, I'm all for the proper treatment of animals, I work with animals all day every day and its in both the human and the animals interests, and in the interests of basic morality, that the animal is treated with respect at all times.
I've certainly a lot more respect for the animals than I do for them PETA fucktards.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9232451/Callum-Hudson-Odoi-slams-social-media-companies-monkey-emoji-not-deemed-racist-them.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490
Maybe it could be balanced out with a lily or a cracker emoji or just start using a white monkey instead.
I'm not a fan of racial abuse because it's mentally weak but surely at this stage people just need to get a thicker skin about it all and stop wasting their time on it.
It all reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A and I suppose that applies to me getting bothered by it as well
I'm also hoping it angers him into a decent performance vs Sheffield United later
Ya, that's a bit of a mountain out of a molehill. Chelsea wimps tho innit? 😀
They need something to distract us all from their rotten form this season. Looking at Hudson Odoi and the improvement in him and also Rudiger, some of the rest of the squad could do with a few emojis sent their way. What could we use for Havertz and Werner?
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/08/the-phallic-necktie-is-an-outdated-symbol-of-white-male-rule-in-new-zealands-parliament
The guardian is always good for a laugh. Whole world in shit, get those ties off
Ties have their origins with the Arabs to wipe sweat off their brows in the desert. So it's cultural appropriation on top of everything else.
No way, and here was me thinking they were just about mickeys. Really showing my whiteness here
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 10, 2021, 01:20:17 PM
Ties have their origins with the Arabs to wipe sweat off their brows in the desert.
As in, their kufiyah scarves or something more specific?
I couldn't tell you, my Irish tutor in UCC told me that, amongst other dubious things, like the American expression 'kibosh' coming from 'an chaip báis'.
Just read there that the French word 'cravate' comes from the Croat word 'Hrvat' (meaning Croat) when copying their military neckties. There you are now.
Church of Woke
https://youtu.be/iS6L0ffQxWA
It's 'Hers' not 'Hymns'.... :abbath:
What a hun XXxX :-*
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/gina-carano-mandalorian-controversy-twitter-1234905140/
She was straddling a fine line for quite a while. Anything with even a hint of antisemitism was never going to go down well. She should have seen it coming.
As an aside she's now free to straddle my line and go down well.
She'd break you in two!
Personally, I don't see anything either controversial or even particularly factually inaccurate about what she said here though:
Quote"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors...even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views"
All seems fairly level headed to me
Get in the queue bucko....
Quote from: Trev on February 11, 2021, 12:06:29 PM
All seems fairly level headed to me
Especially in the wake of Arnie comparing the Capitol invasion to Kristallnacht...which really was a fucking ludicrous comparison!
It was much worse.
Arnie was talking shit in fairness.
Looked her up after watching Deadpool a week or two ago and these were the headlines then as well. Don't see any controversy in what she said but it seems you can't even mention Jews now.
Got a laugh out of Beep/Bop/Boop.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 11, 2021, 12:15:42 PM
Quote from: Trev on February 11, 2021, 12:06:29 PM
All seems fairly level headed to me
Especially in the wake of Arnie comparing the Capitol invasion to Kristallnacht...which really was a fucking ludicrous comparison!
He did what?? Actually I don't think I want to know. I've been keeping off social media and all the various shitstorms that go with the last couple of weeks and I'm happy to stay ignorant over some of these things
The more correct allegory would have been the Beer Hall Putsch. Some are already calling the Capitol Hill riot the Beerbelly Putsch.
Hate to agree with Trotskyites but it's definitely closer to the mark!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 10, 2021, 01:20:17 PM
Ties have their origins with the Arabs to wipe sweat off their brows in the desert. So it's cultural appropriation on top of everything else.
Fairly sure I read somewhere before that the function of the necktie, worn with a collared shirt, is to cover the buttons of the shirt, which were thought to be unsightly at the time. Victorian thing I think.
https://academic.oup.com/hwj/article-abstract/doi/10.1093/hwj/dbaa003/5734672?redirectedFrom=fulltext
The McDonalds delivery service is called McDelivery but their drive through is just called Drive Thru, not McDrive Thru. It's PC gone mad.
"THE HEAD OF the Tokyo 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games organising committee is poised to step down after making sexist remarks. Yoshiro Mori will quit his post after saying that meetings tended to drag on when women were involved." :laugh:
Fuck sake 😂
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 11, 2021, 06:31:42 PM
The McDonalds delivery service is called McDelivery but their drive through is just called Drive Thru, not McDrive Thru. It's PC gone mad.
My pronouns are Mc and Daddy. This drive thru news hits me on the day I found out McDonalds is called 'Méqui' in Brazil. Lunacy altogether!
That's it, I'm calling Joe Duffy.
Wait till the 6ft 4" trannies arrive for the women's badminton at the next one. :laugh:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 11, 2021, 08:26:21 PM
Wait till the 6ft 4" trannies arrive for the women's badminton at the next one. :laugh:
I really hope this shit goes full whack and we have them competing in every woman's sport imaginable. It would be such an amazing spectacle.
Mayweathers next money spectale will be him becoming a TV and fighting Katy Taylor.
Quote from: Blackout on February 11, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 11, 2021, 08:26:21 PM
Wait till the 6ft 4" trannies arrive for the women's badminton at the next one. :laugh:
I really hope this shit goes full whack and we have them competing in every woman's sport imaginable. It would be such an amazing spectacle.
Mayweathers next money spectale will be him becoming a TV and fighting Katy Taylor.
She'd have more of a chance against Mayweather than McGregor had.
Quote from: Pedrito on February 11, 2021, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 11, 2021, 06:31:42 PM
The McDonalds delivery service is called McDelivery but their drive through is just called Drive Thru, not McDrive Thru. It's PC gone mad.
My pronouns are Mc and Daddy. This drive thru news hits me on the day I found out McDonalds is called 'Méqui' in Brazil. Lunacy altogether!
Jump Jump
The Mac Dad will make you Jump Jump
The Daddy Mac will make you Jump Jump
Kris Kross will make you Jump Jump
First thing came to mind. Wouldn't mind a burger this minute. From Burger King.
'Chestfeeding' 😂😂😂😂😂
I have nipples Chris, could you milk me?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-sussex-56007728
A true case of a child screaming, jumping up and down in a tantrum until it gets it's own way.
The world is gone to shit!
It all started in the 90's when British hospitals started taking down the 'offensive' Christmas trees and decorations... Or at least, that's when I first heard of 'the tail wagging the dog'.....
At least the Catholic Church would absolve you if you repented. Even Bloody Mary wouldn't burn a Protestant if they recanted their faith (except Cranmer and he took it like a man).
These people want to bathe in the blood of heretics. Social media posts, no matter when or in what context, are enough to have you thrown off a tall building if they contravene orthodoxy. Delete them all, citizens of good faith!
Delete.... :abbath:
Who is it here that loves The Guardian?
https://mobile.twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1359529602243297282
Surprised at that.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 12, 2021, 12:30:14 PM
Who is it here that loves The Guardian?
https://mobile.twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1359529602243297282
"Who is it here that loves Israel?" is an even better question 8)
My bet is no one.... but you never can tell 8)
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 11, 2021, 08:26:21 PM
Wait till the 6ft 4" trannies arrive for the women's badminton at the next one. :laugh:
South park's take on it
https://youtu.be/wxDaiyREBPw
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 12, 2021, 12:30:14 PM
Who is it here that loves The Guardian?
https://mobile.twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1359529602243297282
There are many countries that shit things happen in yet Israel is always the one that gets the flak. Nobody is stifled from discussing the transgressions of Israel. It's an international sport at this stage. That BDS bullshit wouldn't fly if targeted at any other non western country.
https://www.wnd.com/2021/02/university-blocks-research-transgenders-regret-switching-sex/
Freedom of speech lives on
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2021, 09:16:30 PM
https://www.wnd.com/2021/02/university-blocks-research-transgenders-regret-switching-sex/
Freedom of speech lives on
Quite a few things omitted from that account from an ultra Christian source, so might as well complement with the absolute polar opposite:
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/02/09/james-caspian-transgender-trans-bath-spa-european-court-human-rights/
The University is well within their rights to block a master's student from covering a controversial topic they think he is at risk of botching. I mean, it's a master's dissertation, a ten-a-penny master's dissertation; prove you can handle a more manageable subject first, and then go for the big one. Sounds like the guy was hiding a lot of his cards all along and only really cares about the buzz; he'd have finished his master's long ago and could be working on whatever he likes now...presuming, of course, he had the actual capacity for the work required.
And here's a list of academic studies on the subject:
https://scholar.google.fr/scholar?q=gender+transition+regret&hl=fr&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2021, 09:16:30 PM
https://www.wnd.com/2021/02/university-blocks-research-transgenders-regret-switching-sex/
Freedom of speech lives on
That's disgraceful. A very worthwhile research project, and a weak mob-fearing institution.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 14, 2021, 09:37:28 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2021, 09:16:30 PM
https://www.wnd.com/2021/02/university-blocks-research-transgenders-regret-switching-sex/
Freedom of speech lives on
Quite a few things omitted from that account from an ultra Christian source, so might as well complement with the absolute polar opposite:
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/02/09/james-caspian-transgender-trans-bath-spa-european-court-human-rights/
The University is well within their rights to block a master's student from covering a controversial topic they think he is at risk of botching. I mean, it's a master's dissertation, a ten-a-penny master's dissertation; prove you can handle a more manageable subject first, and then go for the big one. Sounds like the guy was hiding a lot of his cards all along and only really cares about the buzz; he'd have finished his master's long ago and could be working on whatever he likes now...presuming, of course, he had the actual capacity for the work required.
Yeah that site seemed a little biased to say the least but the fact that he wasn't allowed to touch the subject seems to be real enough.
The fact that other papers exist doesn't take from the point that he wasn't allowed to write about it, even with the reasons given. I think he could be judged on his work on its own merit. Or lack thereof as may well be the case.
I doubt I'd have read it anyway or heard of it other than his taking it further but I would be a small bit curious now to see how it turns out.
Maybe there's a case to be made that because it is so controversial that the university should stay out of it.
What's so controversial about it anyway? Surely it's to be expected that some who make the change will regret it, much like anything else.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/13/exclusive-universities-face-fines-part-twin-assault-cancel-culture/
Some good news for a change. Looks like a paywall but sign in with google for 24 hours free access
Quote from: astfgyl on February 15, 2021, 03:02:55 PM
the fact that he wasn't allowed to touch the subject seems to be real enough.
The fact that other papers exist doesn't take from the point that he wasn't allowed to write about it, even with the reasons given. I think he could be judged on his work on its own merit. Or lack thereof as may well be the case.
What's so controversial about it anyway?
It would have been a clinical study in psychotherapy using real human participants, not just some essay he was going to scribble out over a weekend. Even the most innocuous of psych studies require validation by an ethics committee, and if anything seems amiss, you're sent back to the drawing board. But, of course, Caspian himself has been completely hiding that entire ethics with regards to participants dimension of it. The guy is now being represented by groups called Christian Concern and Christian Legal Aid; it seems pretty clear he came at the subject already holding the drum he wanted to beat, and even his story about how his proposed subject supposedly "evolved" doesn't seem to stand up.
Aye, there is definitely a larger agenda here beyond his thesis. The names of his representatives give that away straight off. Even so, if he has the decade of experience that the story says he has, the likelihood of him doing much untoward with it was surely minimal enough.
I honestly don't even see how the subject is controversial. Like if he balanced it out with those who are happy with the change, it could be a grand bit of work.
Then again, if he is supported by the 2 christian groups it's unlikely he'd have been impartial. I'll be interested to see how he gets on if I remember it, or to see how the university responds to the accusation.
And I still have a feeling that if he was doing the thesis and focusing entirely on the positive aspects of the sex change, there would be less opposition. That's a hunch though, I don't generally pay much attention unless something seems ridiculous and if the story is taken at face value it does seem a bit dopey.
If you were the head of a university ethics board, would you give someone who believed in gay conversion therapy the university's stamp and approval to go out and interview gay people about whether they regretted coming out or not? You'd have to be fucking mad to trust them.
Fair enough point. I'm not familiar with his background but if he can't prove it's unbiased then fuck him I suppose.
Did he get the chance to produce anything before the refusal I guess is the next question. Or should he even have to balance it with positive stories?
https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1361370106283003907
Another beaut here. It's getting increasingly obvious that most of the world is lacking the inner monologue
Quote from: astfgyl on February 16, 2021, 03:09:41 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1361370106283003907
Another beaut here. It's getting increasingly obvious that most of the world is lacking the inner monologue
No primary source, zero attempt to provide any evidence that this may have actually happened. No idea who this "Rufo" character is, but anyone with a large audience relating something like this (whether or not it's genuinely true, which it may well be) in a format that is identical to hearsay is actually making people stupider and less critical, when what is needed across the board is precisely the opposite.
Why do you insist on sharing hearsay? I mean, it's not just you; this entire thread would be about 100 pages shorter if all the hearsay were removed, but still.
Got it from Glenn Greenwald who is usually fairly decent at avoiding the baseless claims.
Do you think it's far fetched? I don't.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 16, 2021, 03:43:14 PM
Got it from Glenn Greenwald who is usually fairly decent at avoiding the baseless claims.
Do you think it's far fetched? I don't.
I didn't say I think it's far fetched. Very little is far fetched these days. But that's got nothing to do with the fact that no evidence is provided for it having happened. The document itself presumably does exist, lots of things like it have been written, but the thing about the high school is presented as hearsay, and apparently that's not problematic even to Glenn Greenwald, which is perhaps indicative of how strongly his recent (understandable) anti-woke bias is working inside his head.
And yet, about half the brownies of this world want to be white, or if not, surrounded by them (whites). :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 16, 2021, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on February 16, 2021, 03:43:14 PM
Got it from Glenn Greenwald who is usually fairly decent at avoiding the baseless claims.
Do you think it's far fetched? I don't.
I didn't say I think it's far fetched. Very little is far fetched these days. But that's got nothing to do with the fact that no evidence is provided for it having happened. The document itself presumably does exist, lots of things like it have been written, but the thing about the high school is presented as hearsay, and apparently that's not problematic even to Glenn Greenwald, which is perhaps indicative of how strongly his recent (understandable) anti-woke bias is working inside his head.
Maybe he's not as discerning as when he founded The Intercept, which is a pity as I had him pegged as a decent enough source.
Must chase it down and see if there is another source
The actual school is named on it, which should make it easier to verify
Here is Greenwald's thread where many replies question the veracity of the claim
https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1361445768419287042
So from what I gather, the document is real and verifiable but the question of whether the school sent it out is yet to be answered.
This post from the author of the document gave me a good laugh while reading the replies.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CatGargler/status/1361470549554208772
Had to use the screenshot because I'm not signed in but still pretty funny shit. He must be living in a nightmare world.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 16, 2021, 04:41:44 PM
So from what I gather, the document is real and verifiable but the question of whether the school sent it out is yet to be answered.
That is the
only question. "Individual you've never heard of wrote some mad sounding stuff" isn't a story.
Ah it's not really. The discussion around how ridiculous an idea this scale of whiteness is and how the author gets away with being such a racist prick raises many more questions for the discussion forum here and was in fact the main thrust of my comment on the lack of an inner monologue more so than the school which allegedly sent it.
Imagine me as a white person making a scale of blackness for example. It would be a pretty racist thing to do and most likely get me banished to gab and parler forever.
Most of my posts in this thread are made to get the discussion going on how the once oppressed are doing all they can to become the oppressor and the fact that it is being presented in such a way as to seemingly be gaining mainstream acceptance is surely worth a few questions from a moderate type such as myself.
We get pure cunts in every colour but it's going in a direction where it's only okay to call out the white ones and the more discussion about that, the more likely that some form of sanity and a more egalitarian outlook can actually take hold. So let's assume the school never sent it but it's a real document from a chap https://afam.northwestern.edu/people/faculty/barnor-hesse.html#:~:text=Associate%20Professor%20of%20African%20American,847-491-3775 who is a published author and a fairly popular one at that. It still raises questions around why that's okay but other racist things are not.
Unless by whiteness, he doesn't mean anything pertaining to white people. I notice on his chart there's no place for just being okay with one's own skin and neither supremacist nor apologist.
So yeah, not the only question whether the school did or didn't
But you're right I never heard of the gombeen outside of that story doing the rounds and Greenwald doesn't seem to be able to verify it either so I take that point
QuoteThe discussion around how ridiculous an idea this scale of whiteness is and how the author gets away with being such a racist prick raises many more questions for the discussion forum here and was in fact the main thrust of my comment on the lack of an inner monologue more so than the school which allegedly sent it.
Imagine me as a white person making a scale of blackness for example. It would be a pretty racist thing to do and most likely get me banished to gab and parler forever.
And yet, just a couple of weeks ago, there were people sharing mad sounding pro-white race realism stuff on this very forum, much of which was specifically taking aim at mixed-race breeding, i.e. a scale of blackness.
Most every kind of mad sounding thing you can imagine exists out there somewhere; it becomes a story once it's being pushed on people. And if you're going to claim that that's what's happening, you should have evidence of it, especially if you're a journalist, like the person who wrote the original tweet, and
especially especially if you're Glenn Greenwald and you've built your entire reputation on being an investigative journalist who holds themself to a higher standard than anyone at, say, the NYT has ever been held to. That in itself is as newsworthy as anything else here; Revealed - Glenn Greenwald just as intellectually dishonest as everyone he has built his career on criticizing.
Be a bit disappointed in Greenwald given how he has sold himself.
Didn't see the pro white stuff you mention but one thing is as bad as the next when it comes to all that bollix. I feel the world has regressed badly with all the racism shit in the last couple of years and things like that chart getting a pass is entirely missing the point of unity that the world is painted as striving for
If it wasn't for the damn trains (potential crypto-fascist rhetoric) I'd identify as CIE (Comfortable In Ethnicity) white male.
Remind you of anyone?
Rush Limbaugh dead. Thinking of you Kev...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIbf6JqkNc
Great man. They say he made it all up but they would say that.
This is astounding.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/02/16/nyc-public-school-asks-parents-to-reflect-on-their-whiteness/amp/
How they come up with newer and more astounding horse shit never fails to amaze.
The algorithms are working well!
'White abolitionist'. To make the obvious point, change white for any other group (excepting perhaps heterosexuals) and thats you snookered.
Well, so far, the only outlets covering the "reportedly" story are, unsurprisingly, The New York Post, The Daily Mail, and some US outlet plastering homages to Limbaugh all over their site.
We were talking about it yesterday on here. Personally, I'd wait until the principal himself has his say, but hey, that's just me.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2021, 07:31:30 PM
This is astounding.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/02/16/nyc-public-school-asks-parents-to-reflect-on-their-whiteness/amp/
That's so spasticated it has to be made up. Although in this day and age...
Now now, you're an awful man for chastising the 'rubbish the source' argument when your fish and chip material of choice is on the chopping block.
I don't know what you expect him to say, he's spelled it out in his 'graph'.
Thankfully I'm all 8 on that scale.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 17, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
Rush Limbaugh dead. Thinking of you Kev...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIbf6JqkNc
He used to have a section on his show where he'd read out people who were gay and had died of Aids accompanied by hooter horns. And then play the song I'll never love this way again. So adios scumbag.
If that's true it's in awful bad taste. I've only ever heard of him in passing anyway. I see trump paid his respects to him.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 17, 2021, 09:39:27 PM
If that's true it's in awful bad taste. I've only ever heard of him in passing anyway. I see trump paid his respects to him.
I wouldn't know much about him either tbh. I have no problem with someone having conservative views but any time I heard anything by him it was hate filled bile. Aye Trump paid respects as Rush fawned over Big Donnie. Saw Trump stuck it to McConnell as well. McConnell vs Trump I'll gladly watch as McConnell is the snakiest of snakes.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2021, 08:11:17 PM
I don't know what you expect him to say, he's spelled it out in his 'graph'.
That's not "his" graph. There is the principal of the school, and then there is the university professor who drew up the graph and surrounding scale descriptions, and - wait for it - they're not the same person! :o
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 17, 2021, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2021, 08:11:17 PM
I don't know what you expect him to say, he's spelled it out in his 'graph'.
That's not "his" graph. There is the principal of the school, and then there is the university professor who drew up the graph and surrounding scale descriptions, and - wait for it - they're not the same person! :o
Physically no.. but..
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 17, 2021, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on February 17, 2021, 09:39:27 PM
If that's true it's in awful bad taste. I've only ever heard of him in passing anyway. I see trump paid his respects to him.
I wouldn't know much about him either tbh. I have no problem with someone having conservative views but any time I heard anything by him it was hate filled bile. Aye Trump paid respects as Rush fawned over Big Donnie. Saw Trump stuck it to McConnell as well. McConnell vs Trump I'll gladly watch as McConnell is the snakiest of snakes.
They're all rotten to the core in their own way. I watched a funny as fuck video yesterday of some chap from the Lincoln project being interviewed by some cartoon crowd on CNN, he got some roasting. It was on Greenwald's Twitter feed. I must dig it up it's a shining example of how rotten the US political situation is.
Did we get any response from the supposed black supremacist supporting school yet, now that it has gotten more coverage? Be curious to see if they deny it or try justify it if it is real.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 17, 2021, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2021, 08:11:17 PM
I don't know what you expect him to say, he's spelled it out in his 'graph'.
That's not "his" graph. There is the principal of the school, and then there is the university professor who drew up the graph and surrounding scale descriptions, and - wait for it - they're not the same person! :o
I'm referring to the author, not the principal, dummy! A cursory glance at the article makes it clear the principal is not the author.
He has refused to comment, unsurprisingly, as it's a rather indefensible load of racist shite.
Yeah but that crank off the radio tooted horns over dead homosexuals and that's way worse than attempting to 're-educate' schoolchildren along party lines.
The Chinese had a cultural revolution too, and that turned out class.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 18, 2021, 04:11:14 AM
Yeah but that crank off the radio tooted horns over dead homosexuals and that's way worse than attempting to 're-educate' schoolchildren along party lines.
The Chinese had a cultural revolution too, and that turned out class.
Not sure if you're having a go at me but to clarify I haven't been following that discussion in the thread. I was only replying about Rush. As to 're educating children. Fuck that. Leave children alone to play and learn proper education like maths and the normal subjects.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2021, 08:11:17 PM
I don't know what you expect him to say, he's spelled it out in his 'graph'.
The "him" I was talking about was the principal. It's not "his" graph.
I wasn't having a go at anyone.
Well, a sly elbow to Chris behind the refs back but he asks for it :)
How do people have the time to care about this shite...
:laugh: I was thinking the exact same fucking thing. Who gives a fuck about an by of these insane lunatics...
It marks the end of civilization as we know it, comparable only to Mao's cultural revolution. You mustn't be on Kev's mailing list if you don't understand the gravity of these events. You don't think the New York Post and the Daily Mail would waste their time on shite, do you??
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 18, 2021, 03:06:25 PM
It marks the end of civilization as we know it, comparable only to Mao's cultural revolution. You mustn't be on Kev's mailing list if you don't understand the gravity of these events. You don't think the New York Post and the Daily Mail would waste their time on shite, do you??
Those rags appeal to the people who care about the shite I was referring to. People without real problems and who jack themselves off over outrage porn.
When they come for your kids, you might not be in a position to brush it off boyz.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 18, 2021, 07:12:04 PM
When they come for your kids, you might not be in a position to brush it off boyz.
I don't have kids.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 18, 2021, 07:12:04 PM
When they come for your kids, you might not be in a position to brush it off boyz.
If your lot, broadly speaking, had had their way, they would have quite literally come for your kid. Remind yourself of that from time to time.
Better that than have him pilloried with white guilt and pro-mentally ill homosexual propaganda.
https://youtu.be/zJkVgGYm4xo
Needless to say the comments are turned off. Hit that Dislike button boiz and keep the YT fucks on their toes...
There's more dislikes than likes.
Anyone watch the last leg on channel 4? It's become very left leaning the past couple of years.
I remember the host telling the news story that some prime minister has picked his cabinet 50/50 male and female (essentially picking people at the very end over another cause of their gender) and the whole panel thinking this was amazingly brilliant.
Seems odd they think it was great since all the 3 presenters are all men. And white too.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 18, 2021, 07:39:42 PM
Better that than have him pilloried with white guilt and pro-mentally ill homosexual propaganda.
It's a poor replacement for Catholic guilt and pro-physically abusive homosexual hypocrisy, I'll give you that.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 18, 2021, 08:43:45 PM
There's more dislikes than likes.
Anyone watch the last leg on channel 4? It's become very left leaning the past couple of years.
I remember the host telling the news story that some prime minister has picked his cabinet 50/50 male and female (essentially picking people at the very end over another cause of their gender) and the whole panel thinking this was amazingly brilliant.
Seems odd they think it was great since all the 3 presenters are all men. And white too.
That show is dreadful and its shortcomings have been made all the more apparent with Covid and the absence of a live studio audience. The dead silences that follow every terrible joke are deafening. It's painful to watch.
Somebody suggested doing a drinking game, everytime they start a sentence with 'its like....'
take a drink.
Every time they make a joke about Trump having an orange face....
Or when acknowledge on screen one of the guests (who isn't a comedian) is funnier than Josh.
I remember watching one episode when they had Chris O'Dowd on absolutely locked and thought it was great, any other episodes I've seen since then has paled in comparison
Bee Vang, he of the Clint Eastwood movie, Gran Torino, has come out denouncing the film for its anti-Asian slurs. I'm not sure what came as a surprise to him after he read the script.
Just wait til the guy who played the sheriff in blazing saddles does the same...
From wikipedia
"Bee Vang is an American actor. He is best known for starring in Clint Eastwood's 2008 film Gran Torino as Thao Vang Lor. Before this role, he did not have any known acting experience"
Ungrateful bastard
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 18, 2021, 11:14:03 PM
Bee Vang, he of the Clint Eastwood movie, Gran Torino, has come out denouncing the film for its anti-Asian slurs. I'm not sure what came as a surprise to him after he read the script.
I presume whoever he told that story to laughed into his face
Unreal.
To be fair, it sounded ridiculous to me too until I read the context. He wrote a small article for NBC Think, and really he appears to just use the film to make a larger point about racism.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1258184
It would be hilarious to see a woke film about racists oppressing a minority but, so as not to actually upset anyone, the racists treat their victims with nothing but love and tolerance.
Nazis hearding trains full of Jews to a nice skiing resort.
Gran Torino 2 where Clint Eastwood expresses his hatred toward Asians by knitting them lovely jumpers.
Romper Stomper reimagined as a very sporting table tennis tournament.
Hard hitting stuff.
Table tennis is actually racist because you have to squint your eyes to see the wee white ball coming at you at speed.
Quote from: Nazgûl on February 19, 2021, 06:33:39 AM
To be fair, it sounded ridiculous to me too until I read the context. He wrote a small article for NBC Think, and really he appears to just use the film to make a larger point about racism.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1258184
I'm torn on this. Pointing out the racism towards Asians is fair game as it does exist, and I'd imagine that is because of the manoeuvres made by the CCP in geo political terms. Of course that doesn't excuse racism or the victimisation of normal people. There's a bit of sleight of hand going on in the article though where he seems to insinuate that racism all comes from "white supremacists" and "mostly white audiences" that I think smells of shit.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 19, 2021, 06:45:00 AM
Table tennis is actually racist because you have to squint your eyes to see the wee white ball coming at you at speed.
It's also hard hitting in a literal sense.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 19, 2021, 06:54:28 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 19, 2021, 06:45:00 AM
Table tennis is actually racist because you have to squint your eyes to see the wee white ball coming at you at speed.
It's also hard hitting in a literal sense.
That's white supremacy in action right there.
Quote from: Nazgûl on February 19, 2021, 06:33:39 AM
To be fair, it sounded ridiculous to me too until I read the context. He wrote a small article for NBC Think, and really he appears to just use the film to make a larger point about racism.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1258184
In other words, upon reading the script he thought Clint's character would be met by US audiences as a villain, aided by his racist slurs. Instead, he found that the audiences merely accepted the slurs as comic relief where he and his people were the brunt of the joke.
As he admits himself in the piece, certain Asian communities are notoriously racist towards people of African descent, but I'd say casual, garden variety racism towards Asians in the US has little to do with the CCP, which most know little to nothing about; the standard explicit vilification of the enemy in the collective US consciousness against first the Japanese, then the Koreans, then the Vietnamese did the real groundwork of ensuring that gung-ho stars and stripes flag waver types, and their offspring in turn, were highly likely to detest Asians on sight. Gran Torino kind of sets out to be an illustration of that. I guess the actor was just surprised that people found funny in the script what he thought was supposed to make them dislike Clint's character.
There's a lot of this type of stuff being discussed at the moment, for whatever it's worth. Baddiel has a new book out called Jews Don't Count which I happened to read a tiny extract of last night. He criticizes the woke collective lumping Jews, despite all the oppression an "obvious" Jew may meet in their life, in with the white-male-cis-het privilege group. Who knows where it'll all lead, but the chances of a pragmatic middle ground expanding thus reducing the extremes seems less and less likely.
A comparison can be drawn with the soundtrack to 'Romper Stomper', which contained songs ostensibly performed by some nazi punk band but were in fact created and sung by a Peter Pales and a studio band, a bunch of middle aged lefties, with the intention of acting as a warning against getting involved in extremist right wing ideology.
They were astounded, naively, when those songs had the opposite effect and are still cherished by skinheads worldwide.
I'm certain several people on this board who are not right wing in any sense or fashion could quote a few lines they were that ridiculous and catchy.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
A comparison can be drawn with the soundtrack to 'Romper Stomper', which contained songs ostensibly performed by some nazi punk band but were in fact created and sung by a Peter Pales and a studio band, a bunch of middle aged lefties, with the intention of acting as a warning against getting involved in extremist right wing ideology.
They were astounded, naively, when those songs had the opposite effect and are still cherished by skinheads worldwide.
I'm certain several people on this board who are not right wing in any sense or fashion could quote a few lines they were that ridiculous and catchy.
Can confirm they are ridiculously catchy and I say that as someone who abhors racism of any kind.
It also shows the dangers of that type of thing on the psyche of someone with less cop on.
"skin head, skin head , running through the night
Skin head skin head, looking for a fight".
Was that one of them?
The Romper Stomper soundtrack was brilliant. Such excellent songwriting. Got a good hoot out of the lyrics as a kid.
The lyrics are ridiculously bad :laugh: but still if you had decent lyrics on it ala sex pistols etc you would have a great punk album.
The principal of that high school seems like a bit of a progressive legend, to be fair:
https://nypost.com/2007/10/10/pushy-principal-gets-busted-at-his-school/
He declined to comment back then too. I guess he's just smart enough not to trust tabloids!
"Pugnacious Pedagogue" 😂
Female security officer so there's less outrage than usual.
That, and it was 14 years ago.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
A comparison can be drawn with the soundtrack to 'Romper Stomper', which contained songs ostensibly performed by some nazi punk band but were in fact created and sung by a Peter Pales and a studio band, a bunch of middle aged lefties, with the intention of acting as a warning against getting involved in extremist right wing ideology.
They were astounded, naively, when those songs had the opposite effect and are still cherished by skinheads worldwide.
I'm certain several people on this board who are not right wing in any sense or fashion could quote a few lines they were that ridiculous and catchy.
I used to regularly listen to that soundtrack. I was fully aware that it was "in character" and as such found much hilarity in imagining the carry on of the people who would listen to the likes of that and take it seriously. Same for anyone else I knew who watched the film or listened to the soundtrack. It was obvious that the characters were to be laughed at rather than looked up to.
That was where we were at all those years ago. Look now.
QuoteI guess the actor was just surprised that people found funny in the script what he thought was supposed to make them dislike Clint's character.
This is what I gathered too. For whatever the article is worth or not in terms of making a solid point, it goes to show that once again it's all about how this shit is reported. The article when taken at face value doesn't seem all that overblown a statement to make at all, compared to say how it looked here when somebody posted
"Bee Vang, he of the Clint Eastwood movie, Gran Torino, has come out denouncing the film for its anti-Asian slurs.", where it could easily be taken as being 'woke for woke's sake'.
There's a lot of posts in this thread that are highlighting supposed instances where the world is 'perpetually offended' by something, when in reality they are stories not worth giving two shites about, are being taken well out of context from the source, or sometimes straight up hearsay.
Don't worry, it has been remarked several times that this is actually nothing more than the tabloid outrage thread, but there's nowt to be done about it!
Fair enough. I came to the forum/thread late, so obviously missed that this was pointed out.
The irony is not lost on me either when I get offended at others taking offence to things I think there is no need for
Please, point it out as many times as you like Nazgul! Who knows, maybe there's a critical mass threshold just around the corner!
I thought the purpose of this thread was to point out instances of needless offence being taken but it just grew legs. The number of pages is indicative of how much fun it is, for right or wrong
I could have put up the article to give context, but McLove summmed it up nicely. Talking out of both sides of his gob.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 19, 2021, 01:44:05 PM
Please, point it out as many times as you like Nazgul! Who knows, maybe there's a critical mass threshold just around the corner!
Not while Kev still has arrows of truth in his quiver!
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 19, 2021, 01:53:07 PM
McLove summmed it up nicely. Talking out of both sides of his gob.
Except that in his article, the actor linked to this piece: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anti-blackness-asian-americans_n_5ed87ca8c5b6ea15610b5774
So, no, not really.
Ah jayziz, tis Friday, do you not get bored?
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 19, 2021, 03:06:31 PM
do you not get bored?
Almost never! :P
I am looking forward to a few cans later though; beyond the metal, it might be the only thing that unites us all here! :laugh:
I will be joining you.
https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf
The scourge of racist maths
I too am united by the love of cans
Thank fuck that article extremely long so I can ignore it 😀. By all means let me know a synopsis but at a glance it's deep into the realm of silliness.
I think cans 7 nights a week is the way to go when it comes to this toxic bollixology.
Big Donnie's ❤️ gone and I ain't interested annie mower.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 19, 2021, 03:19:14 PM
Thank fuck that article extremely long so I can ignore it 😀. By all means let me know a synopsis but at a glance it's deep into the realm of silliness.
No you're right, it is very silly stuff indeed. The thing that got me to look at it was the story that bill gates has been pumping money into the group behind the report. God knows why.
It has things in it along the lines of putting up your hand to answer a question is some sort of remnant of white supremacy and other equally ridiculous but probably well meaning tripe.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 19, 2021, 03:38:47 PM
I think cans 7 nights a week is the way to go when it comes to this toxic bollixology.
Big Donnie's ❤️ gone and I ain't interested annie mower.
Yep, 7 nights a week :)
Quote from: astfgyl on February 19, 2021, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 19, 2021, 03:38:47 PM
I think cans 7 nights a week is the way to go when it comes to this toxic bollixology.
Big Donnie's ❤️ gone and I ain't interested annie mower.
Yep, 7 nights a week :)
I'd do 8 nights if it was legal.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 19, 2021, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on February 19, 2021, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 19, 2021, 03:38:47 PM
I think cans 7 nights a week is the way to go when it comes to this toxic bollixology.
Big Donnie's ❤️ gone and I ain't interested annie mower.
Yep, 7 nights a week :)
I'd do 8 nights if it was legal.
I turned up for work one morning lately on one of the rare occasions I hadn't had any cans the night before and everyone was commenting on how fucked I looked and had I a rough night etc.
So I've made sure not to miss a night since
I nabbed a 30 day ban on Facebook for putting the words 'deep' and 'throat' together in a comment. I thought that was harsh until a mate told me she's gotten a ban for - I shit you not - calling her cat fat.
Each and every woke, snowflake-generation cunt needs to be kerbstomped.
:laugh:
How close were the 2 words?
A spell in a socialist gulag type camp would set them straight.
No chat out of you at all on the football thread Eoinín. Bad auld evening was it?
Fuck off you.
The brother-in-law blocked me on WhatsApp, but not quick enough, so you're getting off lightly compared to him, my nephews and various others :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 20, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
The brother-in-law blocked me on WhatsApp,
Proper order. He's probably the handsome brother too.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 20, 2021, 08:17:24 PM
:laugh:
How close were the 2 words?
2 characters closer than in my first post. Fucksake, I wasn't suggesting The Zuck should do it to a shotgun or anything.
He's the sisters man, he's from Galway and supports Liverpool, how handsome do you think he could be! He gets pure nippy over the soccer so it's excellent sport :)
Quote from: Carnage on February 20, 2021, 08:14:36 PM
I nabbed a 30 day ban on Facebook for putting the words 'deep' and 'throat' together in a comment. I thought that was harsh until a mate told me she's gotten a ban for - I shit you not - calling her cat fat.
Each and every woke, snowflake-generation cunt needs to be kerbstomped.
Our work is closed and most of us are working from home but I had to pop in just before Christmas.
On the door to the toilets there's an A4 page with the following written.
When entering the toilets call out
"I am entering the toilet, is there anyone there."
I thought this was funny so took a picture of it for my work colleagues to see on Facebook. Instantly I got a message from facebook saying I was on a warning for posting inappropriate material.
It's gone to shite, and worse it's gonna get. It's a shitshow anyway, but it's a handy way to keep in touch with people abroad, follow bands, etc. Otherwise I'd have given it the boot a long time ago.
Would love a MySpace type alternative. Keeping in touch with people abroad and music are the two reasons I have it. That and for having the odd perv.
I gave up looking at posts or commenting on facebook a long time ago. I just leave it open on my own profile page to use messenger with a few lads and that's as far as it goes. It was the life advice shit that put me off it. At the time I used to feel a compulsion to call out the lads posting it so I just left it off altogether
I still have FB, but mercilessly curated.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 20, 2021, 11:37:52 PM
I still have FB, but mercilessly curated.
Not on Gab yet? You'd love it over there
I got rid of it and Twitter a few months ago, I don't miss either. People have news now when you meet them which is nice.
I did admittedly keep my parler account open, but that was a wrongthink platform and the decision was made for me.
So the snakey vipers actually feel something?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0221/1198190-britney-spears/
Give it another 10 years they'll be at the same about this current cancel culture. 'Sorry I destroyed your career because I felt annoyance at something you said'. Egotistical snowflake cunts.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2021, 06:05:10 AM
I got rid of it and Twitter a few months ago, I don't miss either. People have news now when you meet them which is nice.
I did admittedly keep my parler account open, but that was a wrongthink platform and the decision was made for me.
Parler is back up though?
Dunno, I'm not arsed checking. It was/is a complete echo chamber.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2021, 10:35:06 AM
Dunno, I'm not arsed checking. It was/is a complete echo chamber.
Ah sorry, from your previous post I felt you wanted to keep parler it but it was taken away from you.
Quote from: Pedrito on February 21, 2021, 08:51:38 AM
So the snakey vipers actually feel something?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0221/1198190-britney-spears/
Give it another 10 years they'll be at the same about this current cancel culture. 'Sorry I destroyed your career because I felt annoyance at something you said'. Egotistical snowflake cunts.
It's a disgrace what happened her.
I was only talking about it last night with a friend and even when we were 14 or 15 we knew that what they were doing to her was messed up.
It's NOT okay to be WHITE.....
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1362774562769879044?s=20
Surprise surprise, that screwball Robyn D'Angelo is the 'brains' behind that.
'Try to be less white'. That is such a ridiculous statement that you'd imagine only complete fucking idiots would do anything other than tut, 'fuck sake' and move on.
Teach them that some cultures are better than others as a counterbalance. Sorted.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2021, 04:25:08 PM
'Try to be less white'. That is such a ridiculous statement that you'd imagine only complete fucking idiots would do anything other than tut, 'fuck sake' and move on.
One would hope...
A lot of ballbaggery going on here related to this Hasél character being locked up over his rapping lyrics, particularly in Barcelona.
This person is a tit and all his 'music' is bluster and infantile tough guy, beat people up crooning, but it's stupid to throw him in the jail for any number of reasons. He received a suspended sentence for assault which has been activated because of his breach of laws related to insulting the monarchy and glorifying terrorism.
That's dumb, they are making a martyr out of him, and giving every dreadlocked smelly knacker in Cataluña and beyond an excuse to act the bollocks and blend it with their curious strain of nationalism.
The right is confused how to react to it 😂
A trip in the back of a van and a few nice digs with phone books and the like that won't leave marks and let him off. Why do people have to complicate these simple equations?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/516229-youtube-chess-white-black-racist/
was funny enough, then
https://www.rt.com/sport/493243-anatoly-karpov-chess-racism/
was even more preposterous. A fuckin racist game of chess :laugh:
It turns out Sean Penn is a complete spa.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanPenn/status/1360396678029668353
See what happens when you "follow Satin".
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2021, 09:23:33 PM
It turns out Sean Penn is a complete spa.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanPenn/status/1360396678029668353
Well he married Madonna, so yeah.
But can we still tell racist jokes or is that not cool now?
Quote from: Carnage on February 21, 2021, 09:37:05 PM
Well he married Madonna, so yeah.Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2021, 09:23:33 PM
It turns out Sean Penn is a complete spa.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanPenn/status/1360396678029668353
Well he married Madonna, so yeah.
Poor Madonna has been oppressed by the patriarchy lately. It must be terrible for her. I have candles lit.
Quote from: hellfire on February 21, 2021, 11:27:11 PMIt must be terrible for her. I have candles lit.
Careful with that wax, Eugene.
CNN pissing certain people off. The comments... :laugh:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/1363307729209745410
Not sure why so many people are confused about the picture. The article is about nearathals and its a wax model of one?
So many "explain this picture" comments
Quote from: Crow on February 22, 2021, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: hellfire on February 21, 2021, 11:27:11 PMIt must be terrible for her. I have candles lit.
Careful with that wax, Eugene.
Yes! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 22, 2021, 10:55:09 AM
Not sure why so many people are confused about the picture. The article is about nearathals and its a wax model of one?
It appears that maybe it isn't, actually:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Gardemal_Ty/status/1363630457053708288
Certainly, from my experience of seeing reconstructions of Neanderthals, they weren't dark skinned, since in fact (even if your only experience is the bowl Thulean perspective) populations of African origin have less Neanderthal genes than populations of European origin.
Being offensive is not an offence
https://mobile.twitter.com/MerPolWirral/status/1363802799054684164/photo/1
That backfired a bit
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 21, 2021, 02:54:51 PM
It's NOT okay to be WHITE.....
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1362774562769879044?s=20
Coca Cola... :laugh: dipshits....
https://mobile.twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1362850199740297216
Elderly Asian man gets killed by a black lad. White nationalism gets blamed.... :-X
https://youtu.be/Y3A2yKhKJws
Black people cant be racist, if you didn't know that already that's a dime in GULAG in Chris' Korl Morx workers rainbow gender free utopia :)
It's German, so a hard 'a' Kev. Course, down your neck of the woods I guess the accepted pronunciation is closer to 'Kärl Märx', so anything else would sound soft ;) :abbath:
Saying 'Kärl Märx' in various Irish accents is going to keep me amused all afternoon now :laugh:
Try it in a John Mullane type Waterford accent. He has, for my money, the worst lilt in Ireland.
Except for when it's Korl Morx Stodt
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemnitz#Sprache
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on February 23, 2021, 01:19:45 PM
Except for when it's Korl Morx Stodt
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemnitz#Sprache
:laugh: :laugh:
That is a great piece of information!
Read all of that in German there, then I remembered that after 5 years of "studying" German in school the extent of my knowledge is to ask for directions to the train station, and if its not down the second street to the left, I'm fucked. Silly me.
luckily Marxism is also to the left so I got the general gist, kinda.
:laugh: Woka Cola
Ain't nothing "whiter" than blackface!
Ain't nothing "blacker" than whiteface.!
And yet, that woman isn't even "black"
The Coke stuff is all highly ridiculous, btw, but there is still a fundamental issue that the whole concept of "whiteness" that all these diverse parties are trying to grapple with is, it seems to me, not understood at all, not even abstractly, by everyone getting outraged by it and repeating the "replace white with literally any other ethnic or minority group...yadda yadda yadda."
I know people who take pride in having mush for brains don't care, but for everyone else, there is something in there to be grasped, and which in part explains why the whole discussion, from both sides, has become such a clusterfuck.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 09:31:34 AM
And yet, that woman isn't even "black"
Try telling that to those fawning over Kamala Harris.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 24, 2021, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 09:31:34 AM
And yet, that woman isn't even "black"
Try telling that to those fawning over Kamala Harris.
As in this guy's daughter?
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/screen-shot-2020-08-12-at-3-30-41-pm-1597260686.png?resize=480:*)
Man, it's one great pleasure having you scurrying around the internet to prove shit.
Don't ever change lad... :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 09:36:03 AM
The Coke stuff is all highly ridiculous, btw, but there is still a fundamental issue that the whole concept of "whiteness" that all these diverse parties are trying to grapple with is, it seems to me, not understood at all, not even abstractly, by everyone getting outraged by it and repeating the "replace white with literally any other ethnic or minority group...yadda yadda yadda."
You certainly have a point there. And like most things on here, I don't think any of us are actually outraged, but it's just the realm of the ridiculous that seems to be more prevalent and accepted. Lots of this PC stuff is pretty niche and wouldn't ordinarily even cross our minds or paths in the day to day but the Coke thing, while not a big thing, per sé, is a worrying sign of the times.
Certainly won't be buying Woka Cola anymore anyway.
Imagine being lectured on anything by Coca Cola?? The brand that brought mass diabetes to the world.
And that's all wokeness really is, a nice smokescreen for corporate to sit behind dining on the juicy meat while the rest of us beat eachother to death with the bones they throw us. We must be the most manipulated generation this world has ever seen. Even the ones who profess to be smart can't even see that they are only mouthpieces for these vested interests.
... :abbath:...
Quote from: Pedrito on February 24, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
Imagine being lectured on anything by Coca Cola?? The brand that brought mass diabetes to the world.
On the other side of that coin; imagine
this being the thing that drove you to "boycott" Coke. Absolute nonsense, left, right, and centre...pun intended.
I don't think anyone likes the idea of being lectured to by a brand, so I definitely see people boycotting Coke.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 24, 2021, 11:58:54 AM
I don't think anyone likes the idea of being lectured to by a brand, so I definitely see people boycotting Coke.
That's what I mean; imagine being so self-absorbed that, after all the decades worth of multifarious crimes to the planet, society, and the species committed by the Coca-Cola company, it would be a perceived insult to one's own ego that would tip it over to publicly declaring a personal boycott. But then sure, isn't that just another expression of the very human condition that really does unite all of us homo sapiens!
I love Coke, but I know who my massah is :laugh:
What I'm saying is we(as a society) are always obsessed with this superficial veneer, the dramatic story. And yet when we dig down we will discover the real shenanigans that aren't being addressed.
Let's take the whole 'racism' in Ireland debate lately. Supposedly we have a big issue with it, and of course there are assholes. That said, I've often heard of people being attacked in Donegal for coming from Dublin and the likes. My pont being that an asshole will always find a way, be it colour, county, gender whatever.
So if we look at 'racism' in isolation we might say we have an issue. But the we see that housing is a massive issue in Ireland. We look at other countries with similar populations and the same issues don't exist. Then you look at a figure like '1 in 4 politicians in Ireland are landlords' and you then you see why one narrative might being pushed to hide a much deeper issue. It suits them perfectly to allow this issue rage on in the media as long their own arses are covrered. Housing shouldn't be an issue in our country full stop. Neither should broadband access, education or transport but these things are allowed fester because they serve a certain portion of the population.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 12:05:08 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 24, 2021, 11:58:54 AM
I don't think anyone likes the idea of being lectured to by a brand, so I definitely see people boycotting Coke.
That's what I mean; imagine being so self-absorbed that, after all the decades worth of multifarious crimes to the planet, society, and the species committed by the Coca-Cola company, it would be a perceived insult to one's own ego that would tip it over to publicly declaring a personal boycott. But then sure, isn't that just another expression of the very human condition that really does unite all of us homo sapiens!
Oh totally, we get what we deserve.
And feminists can fuck oof too.... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/xgiLm9bCxrU
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 12:05:08 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 24, 2021, 11:58:54 AM
I don't think anyone likes the idea of being lectured to by a brand, so I definitely see people boycotting Coke.
That's what I mean; imagine being so self-absorbed that, after all the decades worth of multifarious crimes to the planet, society, and the species committed by the Coca-Cola company, it would be a perceived insult to one's own ego that would tip it over to publicly declaring a personal boycott. But then sure, isn't that just another expression of the very human condition that really does unite all of us homo sapiens!
"Be less white" is a racist statement to make. If any company where to come out with such blatant racism against black people with a "be less black" campaign, you and the rest of the "Wokeies" would instead be championing a "Cancel Coke" campaign along with the rest of the SJW loons.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu6oJ91XUAQCcJN?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 09:36:03 AM
The Coke stuff is all highly ridiculous, btw, but there is still a fundamental issue that the whole concept of "whiteness" that all these diverse parties are trying to grapple with is, it seems to me, not understood at all, not even abstractly, by everyone getting outraged by it and repeating the "replace white with literally any other ethnic or minority group...yadda yadda yadda."
I know people who take pride in having mush for brains don't care, but for everyone else, there is something in there to be grasped, and which in part explains why the whole discussion, from both sides, has become such a clusterfuck.
People are 'outraged' by it because it's racism, pure and simple, and asking that question with any other group other than whites or heterosexuals is a valid point. Why not just call it out for what it is?
If whiteness is such an incoherent concept, surely all other 'colours' are subject to that criteria.
There is no way you or anybody else would be philosophical about it if 'try to be less gay' or 'try to be less obviously transsexual' or whatever the case may be was extolled.
Be less white and more gay please....
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on February 24, 2021, 01:09:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu6oJ91XUAQCcJN?format=jpg&name=900x900)
:laugh:
Yo blud. How do you size the photo to fit the size of the page?
Asking for a friend....
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 09:36:03 AM
The Coke stuff is all highly ridiculous, btw, but there is still a fundamental issue that the whole concept of "whiteness" that all these diverse parties are trying to grapple with is, it seems to me, not understood at all, not even abstractly, by everyone getting outraged by it and repeating the "replace white with literally any other ethnic or minority group...yadda yadda yadda."
I know people who take pride in having mush for brains don't care, but for everyone else, there is something in there to be grasped, and which in part explains why the whole discussion, from both sides, has become such a clusterfuck.
I fully get that by saying whiteness, they mean something other than colour, but in the interest of not pissing people off they really need to come up with another term for what they actually mean.
Maybe you could explain what it is they do mean for those who see it as the racist term that it has become
I had this in another thread so pasting it over here where it fits
Anyway, this was also funny: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/coca-cola-racism-robin-diangelo-coke-b1806122.html%3famp
Especially when viewed in light of the second result when searching "racist coca cola"..
https://www.coca-cola.ie/marketing/sponsorships-and-partnerships/coca-cola-and-sari-on-pack-promotion
Cant have it every way, Coke.
Or can they?? https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/fanta-our-favourite-bright-orange-drink-with-a-dark-past-7f3224d23b6a
Should have given the race training its own product to associate with
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 24, 2021, 01:12:15 PM
People are 'outraged' by it because it's racism, pure and simple, and asking that question with any other group other than whites or heterosexuals is a valid point. Why not just call it out for what it is?
If whiteness is such an incoherent concept, surely all other 'colours' are subject to that criteria.
There is no way you or anybody else would be philosophical about it if 'try to be less gay' or 'try to be less obviously transsexual' or whatever the case may be was extolled.
I personally wouldn't call it "racism". I'd call it confused, and also confusing as a result. Confusing in the sense that it is confusing the general discourse, on both sides of what it is making a very blurry debate, rather than clarifying it. As has been pointed out, one of the major figures behind all of this stuff is Robin DiAngelo, who is white. And confused. Being white and confused, I personally wouldn't call her a "racist" towards her fellow white people. By the same token, I don't think all instances of blackface, for example, are acts of racism, and neither do you. And in that sense, it seems to me that a lot of the people who are outraged by this stuff aren't outraged because they feel they are the targets of what they would deem to be racism; they're outraged because they feel like some other group are getting away with something that they feel they're not allowed to get away with anymore. Hence all the, "replace 'white' with literally any other minority and see what happens" argumentation. Trump had authoritarian personality traits but wasn't a fascist, blackface on the whole is insensitive but not every instance of it is racist, and this entire critique of "whiteness" (qua physically embodied symbol of historic domination) schtick is highly confused and confusing but not racist.
Basically, I think people can hold themselves to a higher standard for their own discourse than simply turning criteria they otherwise consistently criticize back on the people who came up with those criteria at the first opportunity they get. In an important sense, in doing that, you're literally reducing yourself to their level in order to spite them. So maybe you succeed in spiting them; bravo. But then you've also reduced yourself to their level, the level you've spent so much energy criticizing, and that lowering of your own criteria should be of higher personal concern to anyone trying to elevate the discourse than scoring points. Especially against, as Pedrito has been correct to emphasize, as hypocritical an entity as Coca-Cola.
Again, it's the story of this entire thread; The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade... containing for the most part only tabloid outrage, i.e. a brigade whose bread and butter ($$$£££€€€) consists in perpetually amplifying shit for its audience to take offense at.
Dear God can you please make a point without a wall of text???
Answer this please in one sentence or less, if I said to my employees that they should "try to be less black", would you call that racist?
Quote from: Blackout on February 24, 2021, 03:41:39 PM
Dear God can you please make a point without a wall of text???
Answer this please in one sentence or less, if I said to my employees that they should "try to be less black", would you call that racist?
Did I miss the memo where I owe you something?
I've made my point, and the answer to your silly question is already contained therein, should you care to find it.
Coke already tried to be less black, as it happens..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola_Clear
The long answer above does make a fair point re whiteness, but just as blackface is not always racist, but now universally vilified in the media, I must insist on the same standards being applied to the term whiteness in the interests of fairness and in spite of knowing what it is trying to get at.
It's like how the words queer and faggot have taken on a meaning beyond their original intent. I know what they really mean but I don't use them for the most part (quare gets a pass if one is Irish) because they have become controversial. So while it was quite alright for frodo and sam to throw a few faggots on the fire, we try to avoid it nowadays. The term whiteness must now go the same way for better or worse.
Also readying my letter to Jacobs complaining about the racist undertones in their continued insistence on selling cream crackers. They must henceforth be referred to, and marketed as, cream caucasians. Crackerjack firelighters are also bang out of order.
Black pudding is racist so it'll be known as Pigs Blood Pudding. Meanwhile White Pudding will remain the same.
White is much better than black anyway.
Pudding that is.
Black is better than white.
So the wife says anyway.
:laugh:
I get that white people are evil Satanous creatures that should all be stripped of their possessions. White societies are especially evil. Can anyone here think of a country on the African continent in which they would like to live?
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 05:57:17 PM
I get that white people are evil Satanous creatures that should all be stripped of their possessions. White societies are especially evil. Can anyone here think of a country on the African continent in which they would like to live?
Why move to Africa when you've already got it here?
My point being that if white society is so terrible then where are all the better ways of doing things? Asia and the middle east only fare marginally better.
No, can't think of any.
And I did think pretty hard about it just now
I wonder in a way if the imposition of whiteness through colonialism has had much bearing on the fucking awful state of the place in the current era and can that be used as an example of the evil of whiteness rather than being any fault of their own?
Just getting that in there before someone else does...
In all seriousness I just can't understand the mental gymnastics - translated into huge word salads - people use to defend their ideologies in the face of what is pure racism. Why go to so much effort when deep down you know you're wrong?
I think the forum would soon die a death without it to be fair. It's the disagreements and arguments and defence of the indefensible that keeps it going over here in the off topic.
That and woke culture, which is a fucking goldmine
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 05:57:17 PM
I get that white people are evil Satanous creatures that should all be stripped of their possessions. White societies are especially evil. Can anyone here think of a country on the African continent in which they would like to live?
Botswana would be my top pick. High standard of living, amazing terrain. But even if countries like Botswana, Zambia, Malawi, and other absolutely perfectly inhabitable African countries you've presumably never met anyone from didn't exist, your point is vacuous; Africa was absolutely raped to hell by colonial countries, and only a very few of them managed to come out of independence struggles without still being in large part dependent upon, often because still owned to a broad resource based extent by private interests from, their "prior" colonial overlords. Look up some stuff about what is referred to as "la Françafrique" for example, and how all of those countries were more or less obliged to continue to bear the yoke of France through their attachment to the franc and private ownership of huge quantities of their resources.
But, yeah, Botswana, in a heart beat. Highly recommend it for a visit too.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 05:57:17 PM
I get that white people are evil Satanous creatures that should all be stripped of their possessions. White societies are especially evil. Can anyone here think of a country on the African continent in which they would like to live?
Botswana would be my top pick. High standard of living, amazing terrain. But even if countries like Botswana, Zambia, Malawi, and other absolutely perfectly inhabitable African countries you've presumably never met anyone from didn't exist, your point is vacuous; Africa was absolutely raped to hell by colonial countries, and only a very few of them managed to come out of independence struggles without still being in large part dependent upon, often because still owned to a broad resource based extent by private interests from, their "prior" colonial overlords. Look up some stuff about what is referred to as "la Françafrique" for example, and how all of those countries were more or less obliged to continue to bear the yoke of France through their attachment to the franc and private ownership of huge quantities of their resources.
But, yeah, Botswana, in a heart beat. Highly recommend it for a visit too.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 24, 2021, 06:38:52 PM
No, can't think of any.
And I did think pretty hard about it just now
I wonder in a way if the imposition of whiteness through colonialism has had much bearing on the fucking awful state of the place in the current era and can that be used as an example of the evil of whiteness rather than being any fault of their own?
Just getting that in there before someone else does...
:laugh: don't ever change man
Aren't Malwi and Zambiai two of the poorest countries in the world? I'd imagine you'd struggle to find someone to hire a professional pontificator there. I used to work with a guy from Malawi and he never shut up about what a hovel it is.
I'll give you Botswana. One country out of 54 doesn't change my point much.
At what point are countries responsible for their own misfortune? 20 years? 30? 100? Not to say that Europeans had any business there in the first place.
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 07:44:31 PM
Aren't Malwi and Zambiai two of the poorest countries in the world? I'd imagine you'd struggle to find someone to hire a professional pontificator there. I used to work with a guy from Malawi and he never shut up about what a hovel it is.
I'll give you Botswana. One country out of 54 doesn't change my point much.
At what point are countries responsible for their own misfortune? 20 years? 30? 100? Not to say that Europeans had any business there in the first place.
I actually meant its neighbour Mozambique. Long day. As I said, the Françafrique countries anyway, are still more or less semi-colonies, economically speaking anyway, so a notion of time before being responsible is, accordingly, semi-moot.
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 07:44:31 PM
At what point are countries responsible for their own misfortune? 20 years? 30? 100? Not to say that Europeans had any business there in the first place.
We got independence 100 years ago, and fucked it up royally. So I'd say about 70 years give or take.
Mozambique is another heavily impoverished country. These Françafrique countries you refer to number no more than 14 and have every right to tell the French to piss off at any time. Even taking your word as gospel (I don't) that leaves 39 countries that are plainly just mismanaged by their own native leaders.
My original point was that in an entire continent there are no better systems then the western one yet. White ideas being exclusively bad is absolute nonsense that doesn't bear out anywhere. These countries have autonomy and can solve their own problems. I find the notion that black people can't even stuff up without the aid of a white person ridiculous.
A shining example of that point is Rwanda. With the mineral wealth of that country the citizens should be living lives of absolute excess. They don't. The minerals (tungsten in particular) get smuggled out. Sold on the black market and the money used for assault rifles.
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 24, 2021, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 07:44:31 PM
At what point are countries responsible for their own misfortune? 20 years? 30? 100? Not to say that Europeans had any business there in the first place.
We got independence 100 years ago, and fucked it up royally. So I'd say about 70 years give or take.
Would have gone for the hundred myself.
The Transvaal and Oranje Frei Staat were not economically viable until the rand was discovered and Alfred Milner, Joseph Chamberlain and Cecil Rhodes decided to give the 'boojers' it right up the hoop, and they were run by 'Europeans', who, according to a British soldier writing in 1900, would 'shoot a nigger quicker than a dog'. Not exactly the white man marching on through a Protestant work ethic, even if I do have a soft spot for the Johann Afrikaner.
The various outright colonial adventures (the scramble for Africa) are at least partly responsibly for the disastrous century Africa went through, especially the 'citoyens' and their 'bataillions', no doubt about it.
Still, one can't piss and bleat about the murder and rapine of the Europeans indefinitely.
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 08:13:13 PM
A shining example of that point is Rwanda. With the mineral wealth of that country the citizens should be living lives of absolute excess. They don't. The minerals (tungsten in particular) get smuggled out. Sold on the black market and the money used for assault rifles.
Rwanda is, above all, a shining example of a country where colonial nations (in this case the Belgians and French) did everything they possibly could over the course of decades and decades, up and into the 90s at least, to ensure that the indigenous peoples were as divided amongst themselves as humanly possible, and thereby easy to manipulate and exploit, even following nominal granting of "independence." All of the Françafrique countries are corrupt as fuck, and they are kept corrupt intentionally by private and state level French interests.
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 08:13:13 PM
My original point was that in an entire continent there are no better systems then the western one yet. White ideas being exclusively bad is absolute nonsense that doesn't bear out anywhere.
What you're missing in your equation, overwhelmingly, is that "the western system" succeeded on a large scale only because of, initially, the rape and pillage of Africa, America, and Asia's resources, and then the ongoing subduing and exploitation of its peoples. Our comfortable western system still leans on the endorsement of corruption and effective workforce slavery in underdeveloped nations. This globe just ain't big enough for everyone to play at that game! Depending, subjectively of course, on the terms you choose, the case is pretty strong for saying that the "western system" is the worst one yet. For example, if you take overall human suffering and ecological destruction as criteria, rather than our own local human comfort level and material wealth.
Has there ever been a worse system for the planet than the western one? That's the question you should maybe prioritize.
Communism and Nazism were the two worst systems of governance I'm aware of. Still most religious rule would shit on those. Implying that African, Asian or any other countries can't recover from colonialism is nonsense. You seem to expect less of them, I don't. English people pillaged this place for centuries, I still live in one of the most fortuitous times and places in human history. Rwanda will be a horrid place to live until it changes.
The point remains. What wonderful wellspring of ideas can we tap into from else where? There is none.
Why didn't the Africans get it together and pillage Europe with their superior civilisations over the years?
They've been around longer so is it that they didn't do as well with advancing their own civilisation and missed out on the subjugation of the entire continents of Europe, Asia and America and even Australia due to their superiority of character and better alternatives to the western system ? Maybe so..
The best and fairest systems have never really won out in history so it's not a massive leap to imagine the Africans, Asians or Americans might have had something a bit less spiritually bereft up their sleeves, given time and a lack of white people.
Was reading a good bit about the aborigines lately and they had it pretty good for 20 thousand years or so before they got westernised, so it's not a crazy notion. Lucky fuckers didn't even have times or dates for the most part and wrote their history through songs, which, let's be fair, are at least as reliable a record as all of the thousands of years of written history that we have access to.
I guess then, alternatively, some can't make their rent this week and whitey's on the moon (or Mars, to keep it current), so was the western system such a bad thing after all? I guess it depends upon whether one can make the rent this week or not.
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 10:27:53 PM
Implying that African, Asian or any other countries can't recover from colonialism is nonsense. You seem to expect less of them, I don't.
All I'm implying is that it is exceedingly difficult to recover from colonialism for as long as the prior colonizers are doing their level best to maintain control of your resources, all the while stoking and fueling internal armed combat, and exerting massive power over who is in power. Nothing comparable happened to Ireland, beyond the Civil War that is.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 10:27:53 PM
Implying that African, Asian or any other countries can't recover from colonialism is nonsense. You seem to expect less of them, I don't.
All I'm implying is that it is exceedingly difficult to recover from colonialism for as long as the prior colonizers are doing their level best to maintain control of your resources, all the while stoking and fueling internal armed combat, and exerting massive power over who is in power.
Hello, 1845-1852 calling..... (amongst other things)....
The native Americans were highly divided before any decisive European intervention in their affairs, and their behaviour during the 7 years war was in many instances highly opportunistic and their treatment of surrendering soldiers on the opposing side to whichever one they were allied to was, well, unpleasant to say the least.
Yeah but they were ecologically aware and had dream catchers and cool names.
It's not to justify what happened to them. They were a comparably primitive group of societies who happened to get 'discovered' and 'pacified' by a more advanced one at a time when might was right, and the jingo drum could be beaten in public without hyperbole.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2021, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: hellfire on February 24, 2021, 10:27:53 PM
Implying that African, Asian or any other countries can't recover from colonialism is nonsense. You seem to expect less of them, I don't.
All I'm implying is that it is exceedingly difficult to recover from colonialism for as long as the prior colonizers are doing their level best to maintain control of your resources, all the while stoking and fueling internal armed combat, and exerting massive power over who is in power. Nothing comparable happened to Ireland, beyond the Civil War that is.
They can't even have an internal conflict without those pesky European's. In order to berate European style governance you need to infantalise other cultures and declare them incapable of change.
Moving on from Africa, the middle east, an extremely wealthy hellhole.
Quote from: hellfire on February 25, 2021, 01:56:16 PM
They can't even have an internal conflict without those pesky European's. In order to berate European style governance you need to infantalise other cultures and declare them incapable of change.
Moving on from Africa, the middle east, an extremely wealthy hellhole.
How is pointing out that countries like France armed even child militias to the teeth "infantalizing" other cultures? What do you think might have happened in Ireland if Britain had started arming gangs in the city centres to a higher level than the state army? The tools for change in Africa and the Middle East have been systematically and intentionally sabotaged by "the western system" arming up anyone who will get rid of any regime that is pesky to them, where pesky in short means "likely to take back autonomous control of resources". Look indeed at the Middle East, but preferably through the lens of a genuine history book.
:laugh: you're still implying that they are so fundamentally uncivilised that they have no control over their own actions. If the French gave Belgians tons of firearms would they descended into civil war?
Quote from: hellfire on February 25, 2021, 03:21:46 PM
:laugh: you're still implying that they are so fundamentally uncivilised
Well, hence my reference to city centre gangs already involved in violence at their own limited scale, France, Britain, the US, etc., have had a wilful knack of arming up specifically chosen uncivilized sorts with a track record for heinous crimes...child militias, for example. One would have to be exercising enormous bad faith, which you are, to imagine that any of the conflict that has torn apart these nations is a reflection on "them" where "them" is the population of a given country as a whole.
The original point remains and youve done nothing to challenge it. In order to carry your point (I assume you have one?) you need to fully commit to the racism of lesser expectations. Most political discussions with you carry on in the same way. Present a nonsensical argument, pick on an irrelevant detail, get proven right or wrong on that detail and then move on to more nonsense.
I see. Man behind computer decides the political history that many have made entire careers out of studying and disentangling is "nonsense" because he has come across the expression "racism of lesser expectations" somewhere. Far out man.
Racism isn't real. It doesn't exist.
IT'S JUST AN IDEA
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 25, 2021, 05:03:50 PM
I see. Man behind computer decides the political history that many have made entire careers out of studying and disentangling is "nonsense" because he has come across the expression "racism of lesser expectations" somewhere. Far out man.
Professional shit talker attempts to devolve everything he doesn't like into esoteric horseshit.
I really can't do anything about you taking history to be esoteric horseshit. It's pretty far out though.
David Starkey is fairly handy at the history. He'd probably get on great guns with Kurt Bonnie Prince Charlie, Hellfire and myself (because I'd be hanging on his every posh word).
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 25, 2021, 06:07:57 PM
I really can't do anything about you taking history to be esoteric horseshit. It's pretty far out though.
That's it. I don't understand facts. You are not talking about facts. You side wind and twist around every topic. Like every other imbecile you drag people down to your own level an beat them with your own experience.
I'm talking about neo-colonialism in Africa. That is a fact. You're saying that by suggesting neo-colonialism has an ongoing causal role in Africa's struggle for development, this is "racism of lower expectations."
Then you go on to say that it's the former, and not, say, "racism of lower expectations," that is esoteric horseshit. You're certainly on flying far out form!
Ah Jaysus Kristoph, Hellie was only pulling your leg.
Sure look at how all those nice Nigerian lads & lassies are doing so well with all their natural resources of oil, gas, tin, coal, etc....
All 240 of them and their families are doing great.
:laugh: well played Kurt. Any more communist meanderings Chris or will we call it a day?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 25, 2021, 06:31:03 PM
David Starkey is fairly handy at the history. He'd probably get on great guns with Kurt Bonnie Prince Charlie, Hellfire and myself (because I'd be hanging on his every posh word).
David Starkey would be welcome to share a bifta and cans on my pink leather recliner sofa set any day Caomhaoin. Organise it matey....
So mr potato head is just potato head now.
Harry Shearer has cancelled himself from his Dr Hibberd role. Amazing. Good thing it's been a disgrace of a show for 20 years.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 25, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
Harry Shearer has cancelled himself from his Dr Hibberd role. Amazing. Good thing it's been a disgrace of a show for 20 years.
White people are evil, white people suck, but 'appropriating' other cultures is a nicht nicht. What's a fella to do?
Quote from: hellfire on February 25, 2021, 07:21:59 PM
Any more communist meanderings Chris or will we call it a day?
Communist? Oh dear, so you're now a proud card carrying mush for brains too? Noted for future reference.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 25, 2021, 08:15:48 PM
Quote from: hellfire on February 25, 2021, 07:21:59 PM
Any more communist meanderings Chris or will we call it a day?
Communist? Oh dear, so you're now a proud card carrying mush for brains too? Noted for future reference.
Imagine the chuckle and dismissive head shake whilst that was being typed 😂
https://news.sky.com/story/mr-potato-head-is-no-more-as-classic-toy-goes-gender-neutral-12228877
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 25, 2021, 08:15:48 PM
Quote from: hellfire on February 25, 2021, 07:21:59 PM
Any more communist meanderings Chris or will we call it a day?
Communist? Oh dear, so you're now a proud card carrying mush for brains too? Noted for future reference.
Silence tard. Stay in France. Better you bleed their taxation than mine.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 25, 2021, 08:00:17 PM
So mr potato head is just potato head now.
Saw that earlier. What becomes of mrs. Potato head?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 25, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
Harry Shearer has cancelled himself from his Dr Hibberd role. Amazing. Good thing it's been a disgrace of a show for 20 years.
Hank Azaria did the same with Apu a few years back, though I think that was due to complaints. If all of the racial stereotypes in The Simpsons were addressed it'd be a vey short and short-lived programme indeed.
Yeah the Simpsons has long gone to shit to the extent that no one will notice. At least we still have all of the old good ones.
Will cletus be next for the racial stereotype chop?
Simpson's had gone to shit long before any nonsense about 're writing stereotypes out of it
Quote from: astfgyl on February 25, 2021, 08:59:46 PM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 25, 2021, 08:00:17 PM
So mr potato head is just potato head now.
Saw that earlier. What becomes of mrs. Potato head?
We always need to remember that these lot are filthy money grabbing whores. If it goes downhill Mr Potato Head will be back with a bang giving Mrs Potato Head a proper face full of spud mix.
Quote from: Carnage on February 25, 2021, 09:06:52 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 25, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
Harry Shearer has cancelled himself from his Dr Hibberd role. Amazing. Good thing it's been a disgrace of a show for 20 years.
Hank Azaria did the same with Apu a few years back, though I think that was due to complaints. If all of the racial stereotypes in The Simpsons were addressed it'd be a vey short and short-lived programme indeed.
I got the feeling from Hank that he was fed up of being trolled by these basement dwelling bumblefucks.
White is RIGHT... :abbath:
https://youtu.be/BYZ2XoaBO2A
Good man Ted.... :laugh:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/02/24/daisy-ridley-fires-back-ted-cruz-defense-gina-carano-mandalorian/6808630002/
BBC White guilting (again).....
Skiing is racist.... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/Ew80yHCRMjk
'Gaybourhood'.....
:laugh:
https://youtu.be/CeOsqBjc_2I
:abbath:
You're some wind-up merchant haha.
This is the news baby....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 26, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
'Gaybourhood'.....
:laugh:
https://youtu.be/CeOsqBjc_2I
Liberal wisdom
With some vocal training she could take up the vacant Iced Earth position.
Bikers 4e4..... :abbath:
https://youtu.be/bSuolqkixwA
She needs to up her game a notch if she wants to hit that Angel of Death scream by Araya. Poor dozy bitch.
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1365208101939523585
Quote from: pete on February 27, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1365208101939523585
This comment is all there is to all of it:
QuoteAbsolutely amazing marketing by Hasbro, I mean one tweet and boom worldwide coverage. Whoever came up with this has earned their bonus. People need to realise no corporation care about you or your feelings. Their sole reason for being is to enrich their shareholders. That's it...
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 26, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
'Gaybourhood'.....
:laugh:
https://youtu.be/CeOsqBjc_2I
Calm down, dear. That's no way to bag a husband.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 27, 2021, 12:41:52 PM
Quote from: pete on February 27, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1365208101939523585
This comment is all there is to all of it:
QuoteAbsolutely amazing marketing by Hasbro, I mean one tweet and boom worldwide coverage. Whoever came up with this has earned their bonus. People need to realise no corporation care about you or your feelings. Their sole reason for being is to enrich their shareholders. That's it...
So are we safe to say, whether you're anti-capitalist or anticensorship it's a cuntish move?
Although I'm not really invested in the story at all. I'll only get riled if they mess with He-Man. He's ripe for the picking, though.
I think he's already homoerotic enough as it is.
Pronoun-Person has a bit of a ring to it though if they fancy giving him a reboot
Rolls off the tongue alright.
Here's an odd one:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/prison-service-attempts-to-get-staff-facebook-group-removed-over-racist-posts-1.4493095
Current opinions as to what can be executed off the back of private social media content would have you believe that prison management could just go straight after the offenders in question with disciplinary action. Even more prevalent perspectives would have us believe that Facebook could, and would be only too willing to, slap bans on any of these offenders. It would seem that, whatever about something being wrong with certain screws, there actually is still something "right" with protection of speech in certain social media circles. Is it that there's a big difference in community guidelines between publicly and privately published content??
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 27, 2021, 04:21:34 PM
Here's an odd one:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/prison-service-attempts-to-get-staff-facebook-group-removed-over-racist-posts-1.4493095
prison management could just go straight after the offenders in question with disciplinary action.
This would be as far as I'd like to see it go. If it's a private group, should they not be allowed post whatever they want? They're all clearly like-minded. Facebook should only get involved if the group starts publishing stuff publicly. That'd be my opinion anyway.
In one of our work groups on Whatsapp, just a handful of the lads of us really, what we discuss wouldn't be suitable for public consumption. GDPR would have a hop off us too, probably, but because it's private I don't see a problem with it. Maybe others do, maybe they can also fuck off.
Whatever people think about free speech, and I do believe in it for the most part, I also thing privacy is something that should be respected.
"This film has outdated attitudes, language and cultural depictions which may cause offence today."
Sky vs. The Goonies.
Quote from: Carnage on February 28, 2021, 09:19:25 PM
"This film has outdated attitudes, language and cultural depictions which may cause offence today."
Sky vs. The Goonies.
What is it in the goonies that could cause offense now a days? Its not the Asian kid is it?
Wait, the Gonnies didn't have a black friend. Racist fucks.
Yeah, that and the truffle shuffle is probably fat-shaming.
It's The fucking Goonies though, for jaysus' sake. Star Trek IV gets the same 'warning'.
I meant to post about the Harry Shearer thing the other day when I read it but I must've been distracted by a shiny thing.
I read a report in the Guardian about it. Shearer has played Hibbert on and off for 30 years (along with other characters). At one point he was being paid $400,000 an episode - after the series had gone to the shit - and then threatened to quit when they had to take a pay cut to a mere $300k per episode. Imagine that... THREE HUNDRED GRAND times 20 plus residuals etc. per year to do lest than an hour's work a week. A lot of the Simpson's voice talent have sound booths in their own houses at this stage so they are literally phoning it in.
Anyway... I couldn't give a shit if he does Hibbert or not. But I presume that because he's not gay, German, a Protestant minister or a cat, Harry will have to give up those roles too?
Quote from: Carnage on February 28, 2021, 10:46:04 PM
Yeah, that and the truffle shuffle is probably fat-shaming.
It's The fucking Goonies though, for jaysus' sake. Star Trek IV gets the same 'warning'.
It's pretty old news at this stage. Here's a run down of the list, just to get them all out of the way in one go. Personally, I'll take a lip-service warning over any kind of edit any day:
QuoteSky, the Comcast-backed pay-TV broadcaster in the U.K., has added "outdated attitudes" disclaimers to a batch of films, including the original animated "Jungle Book," "Breakfast at Tiffany's" and "The Last Samurai."
Upon searching for Disney's "The Jungle Book" on movie service Sky Cinema, a description now reads, "This film has outdated attitudes, language and cultural depictions which may cause offence today."
A check of nascent streamer Disney Plus, whose content is also available on Sky under the companies' output deal, shows that that service already makes clear that films such as the original "Jungle Book" "contains outdated cultural depictions." As previously reported, Disney had the warnings in place around the 2019 launch of the streamer.
Altogether, some 16 films on Sky Cinema now have an attached disclaimer, including Disney's 1941 animated film "Dumbo;" kids' classic "The Goonies;" Christopher Walken's "Balls of Fury;" Eddie Murphy's "Trading Places" and sci-fi sequel "Aliens."
Other films include the original animated film "Aladdin;" 1939's controversial classic "Gone With the Wind;" Peter O'Toole's "Lawrence of Arabia;" Ben Stiller's "Tropic Thunder;" "The Jazz Singer" from 1927; Shirley Temple-starring "The Littlest Rebel;" Disney's "The Lone Ranger" and 1980's "Flash Gordon."
Quote from: StoutAndAle on March 01, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
At one point he was being paid $400,000 an episode - after the series had gone to the shit - and then threatened to quit when they had to take a pay cut to a mere $300k per episode. Imagine that... THREE HUNDRED GRAND times 20 plus residuals etc. per year to do lest than an hour's work a week. A lot of the Simpson's voice talent have sound booths in their own houses at this stage so they are literally phoning it in.
This always amazes me regarding the pay celebrities get. Granted that amount per episode is before tax but let's say they lose 50 % to taxes and agent fees, that's still a shit load of money PER EPISODE!! If you're earning that amount per episode would a drop in a hundred thousand really change your life?
Like some hollywood a listers can get 20 million a film. You'd think after a few you'd end up just doing it for free.
Neil diamond blacks up in the remake of the Jazz Singer. It was actually a funny scene if I remember cause the character forgets to paint his arms and gets chased by a few black gentlemen.
I'm watching all the Bond films currently. Never seen them before.
One presumes that these will come with a trigger warning sooner rather than later.
I really don't like this retrospectively whinging about films, etc. It appears as if SJWs don't understand context and time frames.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on March 01, 2021, 12:14:55 PM
It appears as if SJWs don't understand context and time frames.
You might be surprised how many people consciously or unconsciously take documents like Gone With The Wind to be sufficiently accurate reflections of reality. There are many who still today lean towards the idea that the global reality of slavery was closer to how it is depicted in that film than it was to, well, reality.
I think the trigger warnings are the lesser of two evils, it's better than straight up cancelling. I just hope over the next generation the silent moderate majority can speak up against the cry babies cos it seems the most vocal are on either extreme.
But ya, Bond is defo gonna start coming with warnings you'd imagine.
Agreed, I'll take a 5 second disclaimer, it's no skin off my nose.
The warnings are most likely a prelude to removing things with outdated attitudes. They will work for a while until some emotionally unstable freak complains that whichever show in question traumatised them.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 01, 2021, 12:35:39 PM
I think the trigger warnings are the lesser of two evils, it's better than straight up cancelling. I just hope over the next generation the silent moderate majority can speak up against the cry babies cos it seems the most vocal are on either extreme.
But ya, Bond is defo gonna start coming with warnings you'd imagine.
Yeah, I'll take the warning once they don't start editing content which I fear may be the next step. Back to the James Ferman video nasty era of the 1980s and 90s.
It has already started though. If you watch "Bottom" on Netflix now there's a decent chunk missing out of a few episodes and horrible re-dubbed bits for words that the BBC are afraid of their life we might hear. They've used a voice-over actor who sounds nothing like Mayall or Edmondson too.
Fuck the editing. Stick the outdated attitudes disclaimer all over anything as long as it's then left to us all to make up our own mind. No worse than the rating on something if left like that. I don't get the issue with something like Bottom anyway because the characters are supposed to be fairly unsavoury and outdated anyway so that's pointless.
Ah yeah, I'd rather the disclaimer than an edit. It's just annoying that something as seemingly innocent as The Goonies needs a snowflake warning.
Edits/cuts can fuck off eternally. Cutting Jenny Agutter's nipples out of An American Werewolf In London, for instance, is a war crime.
I also think cutting (or trying to) Trump out of Home alone 2 is a bit of a stupid thing. Cause where do you stop? How about the whole of Pulp Fiction and other films cause Harvey Winstein made them? They still show Naked Gun with OJ in it.
We don't want films to end up like the Star Wars 'special' edition...
It looks like hardly ever switching on the 49" is a good thing for me... :laugh:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 01, 2021, 03:34:24 PM
It looks like hardly ever switching on the 49" is a good thing for me... :laugh:
I'm sure there's one or several videos on these topics on that Memeology YT channel you seem to never miss an upload from ;)
For all you guys with young kids. We have the new alphabet... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/arGcCvh7tH8
S is for 'Social Services'.....
What does queer mean? Is it not a degrotery term for poof?
I think it's an all encompassing term for non- straight.
Depends on who you ask. A lot of gay and lesbian people don't regard themselves as queer, and a gay or lesbian bar won't be quite the same as a queer bar.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 02, 2021, 07:11:23 AM
S is for 'Social Services'.....
I'm sure the uploader of the video, who inserted their own captions like "Fag", "Jew", etc., would be a much better parent.
I really do think that, in your case, you might be better off reverting to the telly.
That video is like a battle between two equally hateful ideologies.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 02, 2021, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 02, 2021, 07:11:23 AM
S is for 'Social Services'.....
I'm sure the uploader of the video, who inserted their own captions like "Fag", "Jew", etc., would be a much better parent.
I really do think that, in your case, you might be better off reverting to the telly.
Nah.....
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 02, 2021, 10:35:49 AM
That video is like a battle between two equally hateful ideologies.
Pretty much. You have to wonder at the mentality of turning to the village idiot to help you find and identify an escaped lunatic.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 02, 2021, 07:09:32 AM
For all you guys with young kids. We have the new alphabet... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/arGcCvh7tH8
I'm going to bet long term and say that kid will be up on charges of patricide before he turns 21. That cult lady will wake up one day to him standing over her with an axe.
Wait till I introduce you guys to 'Desmond is Amazing'....
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 02, 2021, 10:20:38 AM
Depends on who you ask. A lot of gay and lesbian people don't regard themselves as queer, and a gay or lesbian bar won't be quite the same as a queer bar.
Queer is openly used by both gay and lesbian. 100% with the latter anyway. There are bands that use queercore or some stupid derivative as a label as well.
What's the difference between a gay bar and a queer bar?
Sounds like the start of a joke I know.
Quote from: open face surgery on March 02, 2021, 12:42:36 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 02, 2021, 10:20:38 AM
Depends on who you ask. A lot of gay and lesbian people don't regard themselves as queer, and a gay or lesbian bar won't be quite the same as a queer bar.
Queer is openly used by both gay and lesbian. 100% with the latter anyway. There are bands that use queercore or some stupid derivative as a label as well.
Lesbians may well be, on the whole, more queer leaning and queer friendly, but there's certainly a strong gay contingent that definitely isn't. Queer, from my understanding, relates more to gender than orientation, and there are plenty of gay bars where any kind of gender ambiguity would not be welcome.
Nazi gay bars?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 02, 2021, 01:40:57 PM
Nazi gay bars?
I saw a documentary years ago about a gang of Russian, Nazi gays. Your standard Nazi gang with a bit of man love thrown in. Before anyone asks it wasn't a porno.
How about the photo of the jockey, Gordon Eliot, sitting on a dead horse, while on the phone. The furore in the media is retarded. Sure, it's not the most appropriate thing ever, but the braying of the idiots is unreal.
At least he wasn't fucking it.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 02, 2021, 03:52:03 PM
How about the photo of the jockey, Gordon Eliot, sitting on a dead horse, while on the phone. The furore in the media is retarded. Sure, it's not the most appropriate thing ever, but the braying of the idiots is unreal.
Quote'I couldn't sleep last night'- Tracy Pigott says
Sounds pretty serious! :laugh:
Ah jaysus :laugh:
Who's the only 13st man to ever ride a Grand National winner?
Lester Piggott's cell mate.....
Gotta take the opposing view here regarding horse cunt. The arrogance of the fat, rich bag of human shite to show such disregard for a creature that one would assume he'd at the very least have respect for, if not affection, and blatantly showing his true colours is sickening. Fuck him.
Oh he's a cretin. And a handsy creep by all accounts. I just think that the amount of attention the whole thing is getting is mad.
I've no issue with these cunts being named and shamed.
Nor do I, I just don't see it as a story that should be running 3 days straight.
Maybe that's how the horse died 🤔
It's the race set's reaction I find the most hypocritically hilarious; the Ascot ladies do protest too much.
I only heard about it today so fair enough.
Ne'er a care for the horses when they're getting flogged. Only when some prick sits on a dead one. I've a couple of friends into "the horsing" and he's supposedly a dickhead of the highest order.
I've cousins in Longwood there, fairly near to his stables, and by all accounts the man is a horrible, snobbish, arrogant cunt, bloated with the fat of his own self importance.
That being said, where ya have live animals, you'll have dead animals, was he really doing any harm? As was mentioned above, one would imagine sitting on a live one is more harmful than sitting on a dead one.
There's more media coverage and general outrage over this shite than there was when the yank heroes were caught pissing on the body of an Afgan soldier.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 02, 2021, 08:08:31 PM
Gotta take the opposing view here regarding horse cunt. The arrogance of the fat, rich bag of human shite to show such disregard for a creature that one would assume he'd at the very least have respect for, if not affection, and blatantly showing his true colours is sickening. Fuck him.
Agreed.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 02, 2021, 09:37:29 PM
I've cousins in Longwood there, fairly near to his stables, and by all accounts the man is a horrible, snobbish, arrogant cunt, bloated with the fat of his own self importance.
That being said, where ya have live animals, you'll have dead animals, was he really doing any harm? As was mentioned above, one would imagine sitting on a live one is more harmful than sitting on a dead one.
There's more media coverage and general outrage over this shite than there was when the yank heroes were caught pissing on the body of an Afgan terrorist.
Fixed that for you....
Animal welfare, or lack thereof, in this country is pathetic.
There's many's a cnut I'd love to chain to a fence with a bowl of dirty water nearby and see how they like it. Absolute horrid bastards and how they treat animals. Particularly, dogs, donkeys and horses.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 02, 2021, 08:44:09 PM
Nor do I, I just don't see it as a story that should be running 3 days straight.
Maybe that's how the horse died 🤔
He made money breeding and abusing an innocent, beautiful creature then sat his fat inbred cunt ass on it after it had been ridden to death. Speaks volumes to the man's empathy and for the money he makes off these poor animals. I hope he and his clients die roaring.
Horses become very trusting very easily. Just like dogs. This makes them more prone to getting abused - particularly by a culture who breed with their own family members.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 02, 2021, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 02, 2021, 09:37:29 PM
I've cousins in Longwood there, fairly near to his stables, and by all accounts the man is a horrible, snobbish, arrogant cunt, bloated with the fat of his own self importance.
That being said, where ya have live animals, you'll have dead animals, was he really doing any harm? As was mentioned above, one would imagine sitting on a live one is more harmful than sitting on a dead one.
There's more media coverage and general outrage over this shite than there was when the yank heroes were caught pissing on the body of an Afgan terrorist.
Fixed that for you....
You'r an shocking shit-stirrer Kurt. ;D
I won't take the bait other than to say One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
I've worked around the horsey set for five years and I can confidently say that, with very rare exceptions, they're horrible, selfish, entitled, heartless cunts. But I've yet to meet one that would stoop to sitting on a dead one. So fuck that guy.
I don't think that out of all the people I know, that there'd be that many of them would want a picture of them sitting on a dead horse.
They're the worst, maybe only topped by the hunt crowd (dogs/horses/bugles/stupid fucking suits, as opposed to the lads who go shoot a deer once a year), who are thundering cunts without exception, whereas I have met the odd sound horse person.
You'll hear in the news every so often about how them coming under criticism is against "rural traditions", but the fact is the majority of people out the country hate the fucking cunts too.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on March 03, 2021, 09:17:33 AM
They're the worst, maybe only topped by the hunt crowd (dogs/horses/bugles/stupid fucking suits, as opposed to the lads who go shoot a deer once a year), who are thundering cunts without exception, whereas I have met the odd sound horse person.
You'll hear in the news every so often about how them coming under criticism is against "rural traditions", but the fact is the majority of people out the country hate the fucking cunts too.
Correct and right, as a born and bred country man I can confirm that the vast, vast majority of country people hate the sight of the hunty cunts.
Plastic protestant (no offence to protestants), wanna be brit fucking clowns.
"Rural traditions" my hole, sure most of them are townie cunts who put the horse box on the range rover for the weekend to dress-up and show-off with their equally obnoxious townie cunt friends.
They have no respect for man nor beast, they have no respect for property, they won't even gather the horse shite up off the road after themselves.
Fuck them cunts.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on March 03, 2021, 09:17:33 AM
They're the worst, maybe only topped by the hunt crowd (dogs/horses/bugles/stupid fucking suits
I would personally take up an interest in hunting if you could use those tossers as prey.
As has been said, I can also confirm that as a country person, everyone I knew hated those hunty fucks. The type of hate that you'd spit at the ground at the sight of them. The worst people ever.
Yep I'm a country man myself and I have the same contempt for that crowd as everyone else around here. The rural equivalent of the rock boys.
Delighted to see the universal hatred, lol, they were (and still are, I believe) the bane of the parish.
Tough oul gig trying not to upset paedophiles, but apparently they have feelings too..
https://www.radioinfo.com.au/news/%E2%80%98don%E2%80%99t-call-predators-pedophiles%E2%80%99-abc-tells-reporters-leaked-email
Might have pushed the PC-ness a tiny bit too far for a lot of people with that one.
Risk marginalising sex offenders. That would have been on a skit show ten years ago, now it barely raises an eyebrow. Startling.
I dunno man, my eyebrow was fairly raised at the idea. I'll be amazed if anyone here takes the same view as expressed in that story, but one never knows how far is too far when expressing support for an ideology.
Risk marginalizing, precisely, not sex offenders, if you read it. And it has raised plenty of eyebrows, it says again, even within the station itself.
Still though, such a leak was never going to end well, even if it makes absolutely fuck all difference to anybody's life outside of, where again? Ah yes, Tasmania. Gotta keep on top of what them devils be getting up to!
Risk marginalizing them in case it deters them from coming forward for re-education or what? I read it. In fact I only heard of it because some people were outraged at it.
And saying it doesn't make a difference to anyone outside Tasmania is like me saying BLM doesn't make a difference outside of the US or that the plight of the Uighurs makes fuck all difference outside of China. They don't by the way, but that doesn't stop the pages and pages of discussion on it.
First part there was responding to Kev, not you. This kind of stuff goes way back anyway, like way, way back. I'm sure you all remember NAMBLA, for example, from South Park if nothing else.
I actually don't remember that from South Park but I am aware that there are many facets to this discussion. If it is to be treated as a mental health issue, and there is a strong argument for that, does that mean that treatment for being a wrong 'un is on the cards and where does that start and finish. Leaving the outrage aside, is there actually a fair point behind that leaked email? It could be argued that there is, but I'd struggle with the idea from every angle I look at it. Given that it was a sexual assault support service who made the recommendation it has to carry more weight than a simply random statement in support of pedos and they obviously see logic to it. Then there is the notion that these people can be somewhat re-educated, when that doesn't seem to work with any other sexual orientation. Are they then good people if they admit they have a problem and seek help? I dunno it all raises more questions than answers.
As I was saying at the start, a tough gig for sure coming out in support (not exactly, but taking the gentle approach, maybe) of those with pedo tendencies.
You'd shoot a rabid dog. Should be the same for them animals. End of.
As a father myself, I would take the same view. I was just trying to see the logic behind that email/statement/idea/whatever.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 06, 2021, 02:26:50 PM
I actually don't remember that from South Park but I am aware that there are many facets to this discussion. If it is to be treated as a mental health issue, and there is a strong argument for that, does that mean that treatment for being a wrong 'un is on the cards and where does that start and finish. Leaving the outrage aside, is there actually a fair point behind that leaked email? It could be argued that there is, but I'd struggle with the idea from every angle I look at it. Given that it was a sexual assault support service who made the recommendation it has to carry more weight than a simply random statement in support of pedos and they obviously see logic to it. Then there is the notion that these people can be somewhat re-educated, when that doesn't seem to work with any other sexual orientation. Are they then good people if they admit they have a problem and seek help? I dunno it all raises more questions than answers.
As I was saying at the start, a tough gig for sure coming out in support (not exactly, but taking the gentle approach, maybe) of those with pedo tendencies.
Have you ever fantasized about killing someone?
Have you ever killed someone?
Is everything a bit clearer now??
Also, I couldn't care less about the story; call sex offenders pedophiles, call them what you want, nonces, whatever. What I was saying was that:
1: The story had nothing to do with not wanting to offend sex offenders.
2: Even if it was, there's nothing new about that, so it's not connected to any kind of modern progressivism or whatever.
3: It's an absolute micro-story from the other side of the world, and the kind of tabloid gold that is pure rot for one's mental welfare. People among my acquaintances who share non-event outrage-porn like this on social media have all long since been muted.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 06, 2021, 02:45:38 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on March 06, 2021, 02:26:50 PM
I actually don't remember that from South Park but I am aware that there are many facets to this discussion. If it is to be treated as a mental health issue, and there is a strong argument for that, does that mean that treatment for being a wrong 'un is on the cards and where does that start and finish. Leaving the outrage aside, is there actually a fair point behind that leaked email? It could be argued that there is, but I'd struggle with the idea from every angle I look at it. Given that it was a sexual assault support service who made the recommendation it has to carry more weight than a simply random statement in support of pedos and they obviously see logic to it. Then there is the notion that these people can be somewhat re-educated, when that doesn't seem to work with any other sexual orientation. Are they then good people if they admit they have a problem and seek help? I dunno it all raises more questions than answers.
As I was saying at the start, a tough gig for sure coming out in support (not exactly, but taking the gentle approach, maybe) of those with pedo tendencies.
Have you ever fantasized about killing someone?
Have you ever killed someone?
Is everything a bit clearer now??
No. If anything it's more muddled than before. And it isn't outrage porn, it's a point for discussion. You will be glad to know I didn't share it on social media either, unless the discussion board here counts. Do you personally think we should change the language around those with paedophilic urges, to separate them from those who act upon the urges, and should we encourage them, through the use of less inflammatory labelling, to come forward for help before the urges get too strong and they possibly become offenders?
Or in other words is it ok to think about riding children as long as one doesn't do it?
Those are the sort of points raised by a story like this, rather than it being mere outrage porn.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 06, 2021, 02:49:26 PM
Also, I couldn't care less about the story; call sex offenders pedophiles, call them what you want, nonces, whatever. What I was saying was that:
1: The story had nothing to do with not wanting to offend sex offenders.
2: Even if it was, there's nothing new about that, so it's not connected to any kind of modern progressivism or whatever.
3: It's an absolute micro-story from the other side of the world, and the kind of tabloid gold that is pure rot for one's mental welfare. People among my acquaintances who share non-event outrage-porn like this on social media have all long since been muted.
Would that not be a case of playing the man, not the ball? If you don't have any interest in the story, it's a bit unfair to just batter someone's opinion on the matter about said story. It's like unmuting one of those said acquaintances just to have a pop at em. Seems pretty pointless to me.
That's a point worth taking Emphyrio. What I do care about is the kind of over-arching reactionary bullshit that stories like these are used to fuel, and they're shared all across the globe to no other purpose.
Chris has a modicum of a point, but antifa have unfurled banners with the slogan 'no peado bashing', so there is an element of the left which does push 'inclusivity' to unacceptable extremes.
There are obvious comparisons to be made with 'would you say the same thing if it were racists' or any variety of -phobe, provided they don't go out bashing? It's an obvious leap, but murder, wanting to have sex with children and destruction of millennia old cultural norms are less bad than any form of prejudice against any one of the umpteen exalted groups in 2021.
You could very well be right. I didn't read the article nor have much interest in it, or maybe giving up online arguments for Lent has enlightened me 😃
**this is aimed at d'other fella. I've no problems having a hop off you Kev , Lent or not :laugh:
"Christians in Cyprus protest against Eurovision entry they say promotes satanic worship"
https://www.thejournal.ie/christians-cyprus-eurovision-protest-5373845-Mar2021/
This is more my bag of a Saturday afternoon. But I think all entries to Eurovision should be protested against.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 06, 2021, 03:10:39 PM
You could very well be right. I didn't read the article nor have much interest in it, or maybe giving up online arguments for Lent has enlightened me 😃
**this is aimed at d'other fella. I've no problems having a hop off you Kev , Lent or not :laugh:
The quare fella is like an over fed fish in the park pond, he's had plenty, but if a tasty morsel is thrown into the drink, he'll make his way over for a nibble regardless :)
Was my opinion being battered on it? I thought we were discussing it. OK, change of pace:
What do we all think of certain Dr. Seuss books being banned from sale on Ebay, but Mein Kampf is still available? I can see the, shall we say, old fashioned attitudes in the Dr. Seuss stuff and I'm not even arguing with that point, but is it more offensive or dangerous than Mein Kampf?
On second thought , let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place ...
Edit: Source: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-03-05/if-mein-kampf-can-sell-on-ebay-why-not-discontinued-dr-seuss-books
I just did a search for Mein Kampf on Ebay and it's sold out, so maybe that's been put paid to.
More corporate bullshit.
Yeah eventually there will be so many of the offended to pander to with the corporate virtue signalling, that there will be nothing left.
There wasn't any call for the books to be banned and they were among the lowest selling books by all accounts so I think there's less of a story in this particular case. I don't believe the books were offensive, just outdated, but I'm open to correction.
With the estate announcing they won't be publishing these ones anymore, there would prob be a small spike in demand, and then outrage addicted people of one kind would have slammed eBay, so they've decided to do this and get slammed by another kind of outrage addict instead. This way they look like heroes too.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 06, 2021, 03:28:22 PM
There wasn't any call for the books to be banned and they were among the lowest selling books by all accounts so I think there's less of a story in this particular case. I don't believe the books were offensive, just outdated, but I'm open to correction.
Ah they were outdated, that's not in question at all. I have most of them here and I admit they wouldn't be written like that nowadays. Might pick up a copy of Mein Kampf for the kids all the same now that Dr. Seuss has become a no-no. I'd be against this idea of book banning in general, it's silly. Just let those who may be offended not buy them and if the estate doesn't publish them well so be it but still allow the sale of 2nd hand ones. Lots of shit like Woke Baby allowed and there is an argument to be made against that stuff too, but sure fuck it, let em get on with it if they want to read that to their kids.
He did have some pretty racist cartoons under his belt outside of the kids books as well though. Hitler, I mean.
Banning books is clearly alarming, but Chris is right (every dog has its day!), the outraging in the right is just as bad as the left, it's just got more of a sneer to it. I was watching Michael Knowles today, and as clever as the man is, that is all he ever does, sneer at leftist outrage and bungle. Just switched the fucker off and did a 45 minute David Goggins work out. That lad will put manners on ya.
I fully agree that one side is as bad as the other once they get into extremes. There's loads of things that the Black Shepherd says that I agree with, but I do enjoy arguing the toss, knowing that he will come out in defence of most of the lefty stuff. I must go find some of the right leaning stuff to pick on for the craic, it's just that the leftist stuff is so much more popular in the media so it's easier to come across. I get a great kick out of the patriots on Gab for example. Some amazing stuff on there.
I do think there is something in the notion of the media promoting division between people in general as a sort of distraction from the owners of said media getting richer and richer and amplifying the real dividing issue, which is the inequality of the haves and the have-nots. Or if not the actual inequality, because let's face it, some people have no interest in getting on, the inequality of opportunity. There are whole continents of people who have fuck all and a very hard time getting it while the likes of me is distracted by a few books and the silliness of the corporate virtue signalling around that, while drinking my south american coffee and wearing my made in god-knows-where clothes. I think the movement towards actual equality is for sure obfuscated by the media with silly things.
Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder etc are so obnoxious, so biased, they are great entertainment for people like me in the same way that Tucker Carlson is, and a large part of that is down to how irritating they are for progressives.
I think even the not-too-far-gone lefties enjoy Gavin McInnes. He's gas in fairness.
McInnes, unlike the other cartoon characters you've listed there, reminds me of too many absolute spas I've met at various sessions over the years. I think he fancies himself to be something like the bastard son of Peterson and Burr, but Shapiro and Manning would be closer to the truth.
I wouldn't be au fait with those commentators. The only one I've seen of those listed there is Tucker Carlson. He can be quite a funny watch at times, but that might just be the head on him.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 06, 2021, 04:36:20 PM
McInnes, unlike the other cartoon characters you've listed there, reminds me of too many absolute spas I've met at various sessions over the years. I think he fancies himself to be something like the bastard son of Peterson and Burr, but Shapiro and Manning would be closer to the truth.
Maybe, but he does an absolutely spot-on impression of you:)
https://youtu.be/E3hKPe2uops
That actually isn't a million miles from the antics on here 😂
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 06, 2021, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 06, 2021, 04:36:20 PM
McInnes, unlike the other cartoon characters you've listed there, reminds me of too many absolute spas I've met at various sessions over the years. I think he fancies himself to be something like the bastard son of Peterson and Burr, but Shapiro and Manning would be closer to the truth.
Maybe, but he does an absolutely spot-on impression of you:)
https://youtu.be/E3hKPe2uops
You
wish there were leftist equivalents of you on the forum like that caricature ;)
See, when Burr takes off liberals, it's hilarious. The five minutes I lasted there were just tedious.
https://www.target.com/c/black-owned-or-founded-brands-at-target/-/N-q8v16?Nao=0
:laugh:
This will surely rid the states of racism
Black is slimming I heard.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 07, 2021, 09:54:19 PM
https://www.target.com/c/black-owned-or-founded-brands-at-target/-/N-q8v16?Nao=0
:laugh:
This will surely rid the states of racism
Buy, and then return everything... :laugh:
A new one on me: misogynoir (discriminating against black women where colour and race are both factors).
Lovely word. Where do I sign up?
Quote from: Carnage on March 09, 2021, 05:42:06 PM
A new one on me: misogynoir (discriminating against black women where colour and race are both factors).
So all these fucking ads on TV (Black man/white woman couples) are misogynoir? :laugh:
Sounds like an eau de parfum...
(https://i.imgflip.com/510hki.jpg)
Pepe Le Pew wears it, while he is busy promoting rape culture
Seeing as institutional racism is a common theme here, have a look at this little chart
https://twitter.com/karldeeter/status/1369298386466258952
Edit: Although I'm sure it's someone who doesn't really give a fuck getting a dig in at the government and president, and probably over something else at the heart of it, it's still a fairly skewed chart.
Papa John's, lol......
https://mobile.twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1368983057479393284?s=21
You'd swear she'd been overheard calling Stalin a poof by the NKVD...the sheer terror of being associated with 'bigotry' is so overwhelming for these spastics.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56371826
You should give all this up for Lent, Kev. Too many fuckin spastics out there. Unless/until I can become supreme ruler and deal with them all with an iron fist, I'm on a mission to ignore spasticity that appears on my radar.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 12, 2021, 12:35:55 PM
You'd swear she'd been overheard calling Stalin a poof by the NKVD...the sheer terror of being associated with 'bigotry' is so overwhelming for these spastics.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56371826
If only Bob Daisley was black, he might have finally got the credits he's due from the Osbournes now
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 12, 2021, 01:37:50 PM
You should give all this up for Lent, Kev. Too many fuckin spastics out there. Unless/until I can become supreme ruler and deal with them all with an iron fist, I'm on a mission to ignore spasticity that appears on my radar.
It's one of the headlines on the bbc site along with the finger wagging at Tucker Carlson over his comments about women in the army. I only read the sports there but even that is clogged with trannies blasting away the female competition in weight lifting and East African women having to train in secret etc etc.
Fucking annoying.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 12, 2021, 04:33:09 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 12, 2021, 01:37:50 PM
You should give all this up for Lent, Kev. Too many fuckin spastics out there. Unless/until I can become supreme ruler and deal with them all with an iron fist, I'm on a mission to ignore spasticity that appears on my radar.
It's one of the headlines on the bbc site along with the finger wagging at Tucker Carlson over his comments about women in the army. I only read the sports there but even that is clogged with trannies blasting away the female competition in weight lifting and East African women having to train in secret etc etc.
Fucking annoying.
What did the bould Tucker say about women in the army.
He said that America is feminising its army, making it a laughing stock with pregnancy suits etc.
Have the CNN take, just to further annoy Kev :p
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/11/media/tucker-carlson-mocks-military-women/index.html
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 12, 2021, 05:16:01 PM
He said that America is feminising its army, making it a laughing stock with pregnancy suits etc.
Tucker with his finger on the pulse of the nation right there. A nothing story.
He has a point though. The Chinese and Russians must be bursting their holes laughing at all this guff.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 12, 2021, 08:37:50 PM
He has a point though. The Chinese and Russians must be bursting their holes laughing at all this guff.
Why? They both have women in the military too.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/transgender-troops-600x400.jpg)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 12, 2021, 09:00:35 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 12, 2021, 08:37:50 PM
He has a point though. The Chinese and Russians must be bursting their holes laughing at all this guff.
Why? They both have women in the military too.
I mean the identity politics. If you read about Stalingrad from the German point of view, Antony Beevors' effort is an excellent starting point, you'll see why women in combat is not a good idea.
Stick them on the front line.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 12, 2021, 09:49:38 PM
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 12, 2021, 08:37:50 PM
He has a point though. The Chinese and Russians must be bursting their holes laughing at all this guff.
Why? They both have women in the military too.
I mean the identity politics. If you read about Stalingrad from the German point of view, Antony Beevors' effort is an excellent starting point, you'll see why women in combat is not a good idea.
I'm not saying anything about whether women should be in combat or not. I just don't see how he has a point. Russia was a trailblazer in terms of women in combat, as I guess you're implying. If they're bursting their holes laughing, it's more likely at the fact that a self-proclaimed patriot would go on air and mock the armed forces of his own country, regardless of the reason. That is something a Chinese or Russian person would find absolutely absurd and unbelievable. He is such an utter fucking tool.
I don't see it that he's mocking the armed forces per se, it's a critique (granted, not a very elegant one) of replacing ability with identity as the priority for selection.
Take the Navy Seals, for example. One of the most elite units in the US army, comparable with Spesnatz or the SAS. No woman has ever completed the training. It's simply above and beyond what females (and the vast majority of men) are capable of physically and psychologically. Now, these extreme standards are 'under review', because no woman has ever become a navy seal. This is a stupid idea, and you are smart enough that an explanation is not required. Women are not capable of achieving what men can in certain walks of life, no matter what the Spanish republican or soviet poster artists would have one believe.
As for the Soviets being trailblazers...they shot 16,000 of their own men at Stalingrad for 'cowardice', and they sent frail, underfed women out to dig tank traps and man unwieldy flak guns, almost all of which were swatted away instantly by battle hardened German soldiers. They sent men in waves without ammunition but with a generous ration of vodka against Finnish machine gun nests in the winter war, so the welfare of their soldiers and empowering women were far down the list of priorities.
All fair enough, but not really helping his "point"; on what basis does he claim that the Russians and Chinese would be laughing at the US? None. It's just his usual pseudo-jingoism; throw in a few fool-proof "communism" evoking terms to please the gallery, and away we go. People like him would be the real laughing stock to the Russian and Chinese powers that be; a guy who lines his own pockets by criticizing the state on television. And yeah, it's great that in the US you can do that, compared to Russia or China, but of course a tool like him - who has no genuine concern for the national interest, certainly not to any degree that would overtake his personal, pecuniary interests - obviously won't be capable of seeing that it's freedom to become rich off criticizing power that (implicit or explicit) authoritarian states see as the real weakness of the west. He's advertising what he sees as something that enemies of the state, as he sees them, will see as a weakness. The Russians and Chinese will be laughing that he's not in the gulag.
There's going to be a bit of offence taken over this lark. Poorly judged by police, but the law is the law apparently.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1370341605983449092
Crazy thing is, all the politicians are now trying to distance themselves from it all and showing no support for police. This will go down badly with all sides, given that cops can't allow gatherings and must enforce such but now also have to decide which peaceful gatherings are more dangerous from the public health perspective, which inevitably becomes a political position and now the politicians won't back them due to the sensitivity of the situation and the high emotions around it all. Not really the PC and whatever thread really but not worth its' own thread either
If it was peaceful, why did the Police need to "disperse". Covid restrictions?
Yeah covid restrictions. It's funny really that even something like this turns violent. It would almost send me to thinking that maybe people have the right to gather and in fact it's the police who are causing the shit at these protests. But then from the POV of the coppers, they are only following orders and applying the law as it stands. So it is the politicians who are to blame for using a hammer to crack a nut and that maybe life is a bit more nuanced than they think it is..
It is absolutely the gards that are causing the fuss at the protests.
Sure all you have to do is compare the recent Dublin protest, where they blocked the road to stop a peaceful march, causing all hell to break loose, to the recent Cork protest, where the protesters were allowed have their march, and the event passed off peacefully.
If one were cynical (which I am), one would be inclined to think the actions of the gards in Dublin were intentionally designed to provoke a response and in doing so, discredit the anti-restrictions movement.
Strong Womaaaan
https://youtu.be/URz-RYEOaig
Can't remember which thread this fella has appeared most, probably here. He's very eloquent and calm, in this interview anyway, and I looked at a speech he gave about his 12 Rules. Engaging and interesting also. He has his critics, well ,critic...here. Who would his direct counterpart be, if one was looking for balance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 14, 2021, 12:59:26 AM
It is absolutely the gards that are causing the fuss at the protests.
Sure all you have to do is compare the recent Dublin protest, where they blocked the road to stop a peaceful march, causing all hell to break loose, to the recent Cork protest, where the protesters were allowed have their march, and the event passed off peacefully.
If one were cynical (which I am), one would be inclined to think the actions of the gards in Dublin were intentionally designed to provoke a response and in doing so, discredit the anti-restrictions movement.
I'd be inclined to look at it the same way. It's funny how things are spun though. That vigil, while well intentioned, falls under the same public health risk as protesting against restrictions does. Really interesting to look at how politicians are reacting though, the skin changing cunts.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 14, 2021, 01:41:31 PM
Can't remember which thread this fella has appeared most, probably here. He's very eloquent and calm, in this interview anyway, and I looked at a speech he gave about his 12 Rules. Engaging and interesting also. He has his critics, well ,critic...here. Who would his direct counterpart be, if one was looking for balance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54
Verbose character assassination incoming...
I don't really go in for big debates on these things but from the clips I've watched today, I can't see anything I'd disagree with. I haven't watched the feminist put-down clips as that's just low hanging fruit but he is clearly able to back up his views.
In simple terms, he seems correct in what he's on about, but is there anyone on the opposing side who is more correct?
Y'know, I've never listened to Jordan Peterson, but it's something I must do. He seems like a polarising character.
Regardless of his politics his 12 Rules For Life book is really helpful if you ever find yourself struggling.
The closest he has to a direct counterpart (unfortunately, since he's half dead) is Noam Chomsky. I don't think Chomsky has ever directly addressed the gender pay gap though, not to any great extent. Why?
Possibly because, imho, the whole gender pay gap thing is a bit of a red herring. The real question is the wealth gap, and if you want to know more about that, you can listen to or read genuine economist experts like Joseph Stiglitz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCW1cJE73rU
Bending over backwards to debunk the gender pay gap, when you're not even bothered to make the smallest genuine effort to understand the most basic foundations of communism for a highly mediatized debate, just smacks of intellectual dishonesty. Middle and upper class and even super rich (actresses, etc.) women who bang on about the gender pay gap are no where near the real matters that need discussion for any kind of "improved" society. But if your argument back at them doesn't boil down to, "maybe there's a gender pay gap, maybe there isn't, but what really needs to be sorted out is the global wealth gap," then you're just as lost as they are (obviously this is a "socialist" perspective, not shared by everyone). The pay gap debate gets nowhere a) because neither side apply the same criteria, and b) because it's a debate theorized by two groups with ulterior motives - feminists and anti-feminists.
The gender pay gap is something that appears a fair bit, having given a very brief cursory skim over the Youtube clips. And based on those, he seems largely having to respond to criticisms of his observations. From what I see, he's a guest in most instances and people are simply trying to catch him out. I dunno, twas interesting listening to him while I was reciting the instructions to a passionfruit cheesecake anyway.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 14, 2021, 12:59:26 AM
It is absolutely the gards that are causing the fuss at the protests.
Sure all you have to do is compare the recent Dublin protest, where they blocked the road to stop a peaceful march, causing all hell to break loose, to the recent Cork protest, where the protesters were allowed have their march, and the event passed off peacefully.
You're absolutely a dope if you really believe that's the case. The Cork protest clearly didn't attract the same scumbag element as the Dublin one, and much as I don't like the guy, the organizer of the Cork protest Diarmad O'Cadhla, was very vocal in advance of the parade that he didn't want trouble. If the Guards were intent on provoking a reaction, they would have sent out a full public order presence rather than the fairly minimal one that was there. I suppose "provoking" is a fairly apt description of an unarmed police force drawing their batons when a firework is deliberately aimed at their heads? Clown.
Clear case in the UK of the politicians throwing the police under the bus, especially the mayor. Anyone who has ever witnessed the dynamics of a large scale gathering will attest that it only takes a minimal presence of trouble makers to infiltrate the crowd and spark off a riot. There were four arrests at that London vigil, a fraction of the amount arrested in Dublin. Hardly the disgraceful scenes that the politicians and media are so keen to depict. Very difficult time to be a police officer anywhere, tasked with policing a public health (not criminal) matter under legislation which they had no hand nor part in drafting, and which enjoys the support of probably most people but also attracts a sizeable minority of vocal critics.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 14, 2021, 04:19:29 PM
The gender pay gap is something that appears a fair bit, having given a very brief cursory skim over the Youtube clips. And based on those, he seems largely having to respond to criticisms of his observations. From what I see, he's a guest in most instances and people are simply trying to catch him out. I dunno, twas interesting listening to him while I was reciting the instructions to a passionfruit cheesecake anyway.
Yeah, but supposedly "observing" that there's no gender pay gap in the first place (and again, it all very much depends on the criteria chosen, and it's very complex to pull apart), as opposed to concentrating on where there are glaring, undeniable wealth and resource gaps...personally, that tells me pretty much all I need to know about an "intellectual".
Passionfruit cheesecake...jaysus, and me here starving at work! :abbath: :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 14, 2021, 04:28:23 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 14, 2021, 04:19:29 PM
The gender pay gap is something that appears a fair bit, having given a very brief cursory skim over the Youtube clips. And based on those, he seems largely having to respond to criticisms of his observations. From what I see, he's a guest in most instances and people are simply trying to catch him out. I dunno, twas interesting listening to him while I was reciting the instructions to a passionfruit cheesecake anyway.
Yeah, but supposedly "observing" that there's no gender pay gap in the first place (and again, it all very much depends on the criteria chosen, and it's very complex to pull apart), as opposed to concentrating on where there are glaring, undeniable wealth and resource gaps...personally, that tells me pretty much all I need to know about an "intellectual".
Passionfruit cheesecake...jaysus, and me here starving at work! :abbath: :abbath:
I dunno, to me he's using his expertise as a psychologist to explain some of the factors that lead to the gender pay gap, most of which makes sense. I don't think he needs to go into the economics of it, especially if that's not his area of expertise. To me, they're separate issues anyway.
More importantly, the cheescake should be fully set by now. Woo!
Quote from: astfgyl on March 14, 2021, 02:56:45 PM
Y'know, I've never listened to Jordan Peterson, but it's something I must do. He seems like a polarising character.
Whenever you see a Jordan Peterson video posted on Social Media, it is quite alarming how much his character is assassinated almost immediately. The comments are usually one paragraph posts that call him a misogynist or pseudo intellectual etc. These people have never watched his interviews nor have commented on any part of his lectures. They are simply too entrenched in their ideologies and unable to debate the man.
While that's probably true in fact, there is absolutely no difficulty in picking his actual arguments apart in detail:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
Before I read past this part...
"Then, try to restate your platitude using as many words as possible, as unintelligibly as possible, while never repeating yourself exactly. Use highly technical language drawn from many different academic disciplines, so that no one person will ever have adequate training to fully evaluate your work."
Is he referring to you or Peterson? :laugh: ;)
:laugh: :abbath: :abbath:
Ha Emphyrio, my thoughts exactly upon reading the first couple of paragraphs.. :laugh:
He's position in the gender 'pay gap' is straightforward. That is, sexism is not the principal or even one of the causes, and most of those who shout loudest about it, do not consider other (i.e the real) factors.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 14, 2021, 12:59:26 AM
It is absolutely the gards that are causing the fuss at the protests.
Sure all you have to do is compare the recent Dublin protest, where they blocked the road to stop a peaceful march, causing all hell to break loose, to the recent Cork protest, where the protesters were allowed have their march, and the event passed off peacefully.
If one were cynical (which I am), one would be inclined to think the actions of the gards in Dublin were intentionally designed to provoke a response and in doing so, discredit the anti-restrictions movement.
Reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os5RA_uT_Xc&t=37s&ab_channel=TheIrishInquiry
I've no idea who your man is, so can't be sure he's not a bit of a looper. It's a strange set of events all the same.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 15, 2021, 06:26:44 AM
He's position in the gender 'pay gap' is straightforward. That is, sexism is not the principal or even one of the causes, and most of those who shout loudest about it, do not consider other (i.e the real) factors.
He could not have been any clearer on the fact. So very tired of the JP debate as it always became a polarisation beyond anything that was actually being said.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 14, 2021, 07:27:38 PM
Before I read past this part...
"Then, try to restate your platitude using as many words as possible, as unintelligibly as possible, while never repeating yourself exactly. Use highly technical language drawn from many different academic disciplines, so that no one person will ever have adequate training to fully evaluate your work."
Is he referring to you or Peterson? :laugh: ;)
Remember they used have the headline quote on the old metalireland website? Sorry Chris man :abbath: :laugh:
Quote from: Bigmac on March 15, 2021, 08:32:10 AM
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 14, 2021, 12:59:26 AM
It is absolutely the gards that are causing the fuss at the protests.
Sure all you have to do is compare the recent Dublin protest, where they blocked the road to stop a peaceful march, causing all hell to break loose, to the recent Cork protest, where the protesters were allowed have their march, and the event passed off peacefully.
If one were cynical (which I am), one would be inclined to think the actions of the gards in Dublin were intentionally designed to provoke a response and in doing so, discredit the anti-restrictions movement.
Reminded me of this:
I've no idea who your man is, so can't be sure he's not a bit of a looper. It's a strange set of events all the same.
I saw that, too. Certainly an odd one. Speaking of police agitating, there are some very interesting videos doing the rounds of Dutch police and their peaceful manner in dealing with dangerous protesters. One here but loads and loads more. https://twitter.com/i/status/1371198153513267203
I think some of the police are enjoying it a bit too much. Not all are bad, but like any walk of life the herd mentality often kicks in.
Strong contender for most detestable tv pundit takes on forerunner for same accolade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 15, 2021, 04:45:28 PM
Strong contender for most detestable tv pundit takes on forerunner for same accolade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
Oliver is actually worse than Carlson but they are both fried fools. He makes himself look like a complete cunt there with that critique. Well no, not really more than he already was. Reminds me of the sort of Joe.ie Irishman that has become popular over the last decade or so. Got 8 minutes into it and couldn't be dealing with him any more. No wonder traditional television is dying.
John Oliver. Jubus wept, what a thoroughly annoying cnut.
Take out the laughter track and he seems like the the un-funniest, how-did-this-spa-get-this-job fool on the planet.
At least you can get a genuine laugh out of Tucker, especially when he used to have guests on.
Calls for Bill Burr to be cancelled (I hate that term) after making a joke while presenting at The Grammys.
After walking onstage to piano music to announce the Latino winners, Burr said, "Was I the only one that wanted to kill himself during that piano solo? I bought a suit for this. I thought I was going to be on TV. I'm such a moron. I'm losing so much money. I came here to meet Don Dokken, that was my first ever gig. He's not here. The feminists are going nuts. Why is the cis-white male doing all this Latino stuff."
Social media dwellers with 117 followers wonder "Why is Bill Burr even at The Grammys" - then it's pointed out to them that he's nominated for best comedy album.
"Bill Burr is the perfect example of why white men need to be kept in cages"
"Bill Bur is not funny. What he said wasn't funny. He said something triggering"
"Ban Bill Burr. Actually just ban white men. A disgrace"
Twitter spirals into a shit fit and hate hurricane when the righteous and innocent "discover" that Bill Burr's wife with whom he has two kids is, GASP!, a black woman. And that a white man marrying a black woman makes him even MORE of a racist.
Christ almighty.
I haven't heard what Bill Burr has said in retort - if anything at all yet - but you can bet your bollix it'll be good.
I found Bill's wife, Nia Hill's, response...
(https://i.imgur.com/bjmMO7z.jpeg)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Jesus fuckin christ. Some neck to then say oh but I wasn't talking about you or Bill.
Why isn't that cunt getting cancelled? He is backhandedly calling BB a racist and his wife a sex slave.
Such incomprehensible levels of retardation.
He represents the type of self loathing individual I detest. Constantly seeking approval from these ideologically entrenched dumb fucks. The type of man who would openly agree that "men r trash" to get that tiny morsel of approval from women he would have no hope of having a real life interaction with.
Somehow I don't think Bill will give a flying fuck about it. And rightly so.
Quote from: Blackout on March 16, 2021, 10:41:47 AM
He represents the type of self loathing individual I detest. Constantly seeking approval from these ideologically entrenched dumb fucks. The type of man who would openly agree that "men r trash" to get that tiny morsel of approval from women he would have no hope of having a real life interaction with.
I thought you were talking about Bill Burr there for a second, left me scratching my head!
Twitter makes me dislike people who I know I get on with great and respect in real life, and it's gotten much worse since the pandemic started and everyone's at fuck all else. People like to give out about Facebook and so on but Twitter is far worse for the absolute brain rot it seems to induce. I stick around for the music and the shitposting because there is genuine craic to be had and when it's good it's really good, but people thinking they can solve or even properly discuss real problems on Twitter are doing themselves no favours, and you just end up with spirals of nonsense like this. It is noise though, it's not real life. Yet.
Nothing wrong with what Bill Burr said there either, (it's fucking funny) doubt he's gonna go on the shitlist for that.
Quote from: Blackout on March 16, 2021, 10:41:47 AM
He represents the type of self loathing individual I detest. Constantly seeking approval from these ideologically entrenched dumb fucks. The type of man who would openly agree that "men r trash" to get that tiny morsel of approval from women he would have no hope of having a real life interaction with.
Yeah. That's pretty much it. There's a I-O-Rish Toymez "journalist" and "author" who puts up shit like "Where, oh where, do Irish men over 40 buy their clothes?" on Twitter and most of the men following reply answers that might as well read;
"I know yeah, right?! I'm a state and even more of a shambles since I hit 40. All men are a joke. I could only dream of buying you (and your jumper that my junior cert Geography teacher had in 1993) a pint of Guinness in some pub on Camden St. #ThisWeeksSJWCause"
Have some self respect for fuck sake.
Ah, I'd say Bill will have some fun with this on his podcast...and rightly so!
You'd swear these kind of woker than woke mooks were engaged in, excuse the pun, black propaganda for the far right :abbath:
Are the far right being blamed for these wokesters? Jesus they have their fingers in all of the world's problem pies.
He's trying to insinuate that the 'far right' (whatever that is) have agents provocateurs in amongst the left, and are responsible for this tempest of idiocy and cringe, because his postmodern pals and their 'lived experiences' could never be this dumb that they redden his face so prolifically:)
Particularly barbed this afternoon, Kev. Funny all the same.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 16, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
He's trying to insinuate that the 'far right' (whatever that is) have agents provocateurs in amongst the left, and are responsible for this tempest of idiocy and cringe, because his postmodern pals and their 'lived experiences' could never be this dumb that they redden his face so prolifically:)
Eh, no, I'm not insinuating that at all. I'm saying that this type of woker than woke idiot contributes to, for example, the middle-ground swing towards conservatism, sometimes hitting such extremes in their efforts that you'd almost swear they were working for the side they declare to be their enemies. But they're not, they're just idiots, useful ones at that; so twofold idiots!
Perhaps disappointingly, it looks like the spa is just a general purpose reply guy variant of idiot:
https://twitter.com/l0uFromDaBx/status/1371579680957022208?s=19
Quote from: StoutAndAle on March 16, 2021, 09:50:11 AM
I found Bill's wife, Nia Hill's, response...
(https://i.imgur.com/bjmMO7z.jpeg)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
What an absolute knob. He got his comeuppance lovely there.
'A white man having a non-white wife can sometimes be a sign of racism'.
I cannot understand this gimpery
Woke will eat itself.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 16, 2021, 04:28:50 PM
'A white man having a non-white wife can sometimes be a sign of racism'.
I cannot understand this gimpery
See above; it seems you were closer to correct than you wanted to be. Chap seems to be just a troll, not woke at all.
Reading back on the tweet now after it being pointed out that he's almost certainly a troll, it's daft that everybody here including myself took it at face value, especially the bit about the 'minority sex servant'. You actually can't tell nowadays if a statement that ludicrous is serious or not.
...I just had a sneaky look at his Twitter account, and now I'm confused again. He seems like a genuine OTT woke gowl if the rest of his tweets are anything to go on. I give up. :-\
Just avoid social media. Whether these muppets are woke dumb fucks or basement-dwelling trolls they offer nothing more than brain damage for the confused masses. Ignore it all if you can.
Certainly. I've mentioned it before but getting off Facebook was one of the best things I've done in the past couple of years. However it's sort of been replaced by this fucking Off Topic section. :laugh:
Quote from: Nazgûl on March 16, 2021, 07:28:22 PM
Certainly. I've mentioned it before but getting off Facebook was one of the best things I've done in the past couple of years. However it's sort of been replaced by this fucking Off Topic section. :laugh:
I got rid of all the social media too but there is no escaping this forum!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 16, 2021, 07:09:16 PM
Just avoid social media. Whether these muppets are woke dumb fucks or basement-dwelling trolls they offer nothing more than brain damage for the confused masses. Ignore it all if you can.
People where saying 10 years ago that we should ignore them and they're a "vocal minority". I disagree.
These woke/sjw types have very much had a huge effect on society as a whole with their seemingly anti-science stances and pervading ideology. So-much-so that laws have been changed in their favour and lives have been ruined by "Cancel culture". Trial by social media has taken hold in a vastly worrying way. It will take a serious upheaval of people saying enough is enough before anything will stop this from happening which I fear will never happen.
Absolutely, but if you want to avoid an aneurism from the stress of baffling and meaningless arguments, then stay away from social media. Will the world burn? Probably. But ignorance is bliss 8)
And yes, this thread as entertaining as it can be, is like a glimpse back into to maelstrom.
Quote from: Nazgûl on March 16, 2021, 07:01:32 PM
...I just had a sneaky look at his Twitter account, and now I'm confused again. He seems like a genuine OTT woke gowl if the rest of his tweets are anything to go on. I give up. :-\
Ah, I'm relieved in that case. Him being genuinely woke yet also fucked up enough to mix apologetics for teen grooming with expressions like "minority sex servant" is a much better story. What a seriously messed up brain! :laugh:
Ya, I went on a search this morning including a trip to his websote. I don't think he's a troll. He ran for election at one point. He's a retard.
Sometimes I wonder how long before the Inbetweeners is banned for being inappropriate.
Its funny as fuck mind.
https://www.rt.com/russia/518260-teenage-blogger-announces-relationship/
Have we found something we can all agree on? Unity beckons!
Fuck me. What would a 13 year old get out of being with an 8 year old, unless he wants to play with her Barbie dolls.
https://annemuch.medium.com/after-this-terrible-murder-all-men-need-to-take-a-stand-against-misogyny-by-being-nicer-to-me-bfa4a2c59326
iT's PoLiTicAl CoRrEcTnEsS g0nE mAaAaAaAaAd!!!1!!!
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2021, 04:46:48 AM
https://annemuch.medium.com/after-this-terrible-murder-all-men-need-to-take-a-stand-against-misogyny-by-being-nicer-to-me-bfa4a2c59326
iT's PoLiTicAl CoRrEcTnEsS g0nE mAaAaAaAaAd!!!1!!!
I'd she looking money? Profiting out of a death of someone one?
It's getting time to leave the internet. Jebüs wept...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56438842
'Olympig and she should wear pig ears because she's fat'
😂😂😂
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 17, 2021, 11:24:03 PM
Fuck me. What would a 13 year old get out of being with an 8 year old, unless he wants to play with her Barbie dolls.
Fuck sake! It just gets worse.....
So he's gay as well..?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 18, 2021, 06:31:42 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56438842
'Olympig and she should wear pig ears because she's fat'
😂😂😂
"Let's include fat people in this elite sporting tournament."
"What will we call them?"
"Olympigs" Genius :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 18, 2021, 06:04:37 AM
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2021, 04:46:48 AM
https://annemuch.medium.com/after-this-terrible-murder-all-men-need-to-take-a-stand-against-misogyny-by-being-nicer-to-me-bfa4a2c59326
iT's PoLiTicAl CoRrEcTnEsS g0nE mAaAaAaAaAd!!!1!!!
I'd she looking money? Profiting out of a death of someone one?
"Here's what you, as a man, can do to stop any murders like this happening ever again:
Share this post on your social media and text it to all your male friends, and your female friends so they know you're being a good ally. DON'T just use the stupid applause button, that does nothing. I only get paid by the number of page views. (Women should do this too.)
Pay the brave women who stand up to the patriarchy by posting pieces like this. My cashapp and Venmo addresses are in my bio.
Give me a better job. We all know that all the industries where I want to work (publishing and/or TV writing) are dominated by men who hog all the best jobs. Men in those industries should step down and let me have their job, without any stupid "proofreading tests" or "required experience" getting in the way this time. They wouldn't want certain Facebook messages to get leaked to their wife, would they?
Organise a 6pm curfew for men, especially the scary ones from higher risk demographics. You know the ones I mean.
Close your legs on the Tube."
:laugh:
'And then one day, Adolf Hitler rose to power'
These arseholes are pushing so many people right it's unreal... :laugh:
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 18, 2021, 07:57:27 AM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 18, 2021, 06:04:37 AM
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2021, 04:46:48 AM
https://annemuch.medium.com/after-this-terrible-murder-all-men-need-to-take-a-stand-against-misogyny-by-being-nicer-to-me-bfa4a2c59326
iT's PoLiTicAl CoRrEcTnEsS g0nE mAaAaAaAaAd!!!1!!!
I'd she looking money? Profiting out of a death of someone one?
"Here's what you, as a man, can do to stop any murders like this happening ever again:
Share this post on your social media and text it to all your male friends, and your female friends so they know you're being a good ally. DON'T just use the stupid applause button, that does nothing. I only get paid by the number of page views. (Women should do this too.)
Pay the brave women who stand up to the patriarchy by posting pieces like this. My cashapp and Venmo addresses are in my bio.
Give me a better job. We all know that all the industries where I want to work (publishing and/or TV writing) are dominated by men who hog all the best jobs. Men in those industries should step down and let me have their job, without any stupid "proofreading tests" or "required experience" getting in the way this time. They wouldn't want certain Facebook messages to get leaked to their wife, would they?
Organise a 6pm curfew for men, especially the scary ones from higher risk demographics. You know the ones I mean.
Close your legs on the Tube."
:laugh:
Trying to keep up, but that definitely seems like she's taking the piss.
Maybe it's confusing people because, while it seems like it's supposed to be satire, there's no animals.
And I can't find the Lee/Morris clip from Comedy Vehicle which would help folk along with that comment, so you either know or you don't know! :abbath:
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Maybe it's confusing people because, while it seems like it's supposed to be satire, there's no animals.
And I can't find the Lee/Morris clip from Comedy Vehicle which would help folk along with that comment, so you either know or you don't know! :abbath:
:abbath:
This bit? Or do you mean the in between "interview" part?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQAJFVV_h-U
Haha, cracks me up every time. I was thinking of the in-between interview bit, but that'll do nicely, cheers! :laugh: :laugh:
Could happily watch full episodes of the inbetween interviews.
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2021, 04:46:48 AM
https://annemuch.medium.com/after-this-terrible-murder-all-men-need-to-take-a-stand-against-misogyny-by-being-nicer-to-me-bfa4a2c59326
iT's PoLiTicAl CoRrEcTnEsS g0nE mAaAaAaAaAd!!!1!!!
Surely that's a pisstake?
Definitely. I think the issue is that she's not funny.
Quote from: open face surgery on March 18, 2021, 12:27:08 PM
Definitely. I think the issue is that she's not funny.
You dirty misogynist pig! ALL women are funny mmmk?
The only female comedian who ever made me laugh on a regular basis was Andi Osho.
I used to love seeing her hit the stage on Live At The Apollo.
@Caomhaoin
And #5
Oppression Bingo.... :laugh:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1372023838066741249
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/call-for-kerryman-to-be-renamed-pc-nonsense-says-healy-rae-1.4513758?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/call-for-kerryman-to-be-renamed-pc-nonsense-says-healy-rae-1.4513758?mode=amp)
Why are we paying politicians to think up shit like this.
Quote from: hellfire on March 18, 2021, 03:33:08 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/call-for-kerryman-to-be-renamed-pc-nonsense-says-healy-rae-1.4513758?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/call-for-kerryman-to-be-renamed-pc-nonsense-says-healy-rae-1.4513758?mode=amp)
Why are we paying politicians to think up shit like this.
Just saw that story, and healy rae's response was funny too.. "Should we start calling a manhole a personhole now as well?"
Can we change feminism to everyoneism? For equality nallda.
Why is this fag in off the ball wearing a Black Lives Matter t shirt? Just talk about the rugby with Drico with a nice Ben Sherman.
Hes a New Zealand fan.
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Definitely. I think the issue is that she's not funny.
You dirty misogynist pig! ALL women are funny mmmk?
I decided against calling her an unfunny cunt so I'm proud of myself. Baby steps.
For the record though, she's an unfunny cunt.
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Why are we paying politicians to think up shit like this.
Just saw that story, and healy rae's response was funny too.. "Should we start calling a manhole a personhole now as well?"
Aye it can be a bit silly alright. I used work for the fire service and one day there was the crew of a fire station where I worked at a training session. In the morning the trainer said "nice to see all the firemen this morning". And from the back comes "and firewomen" from 1 of the 2 women on the course. And to be honest I think she was right. Stuff like changing the name of the kerryman or woman's way or renaming a man hole I think is frankly ridiculous, but i have no problem of something like fireman going to fire person or whatever. Would prefer fireman or firewomen depending on who you're referencing. Fireperson sounds naff but probably encompasses it better.
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Why are we paying politicians to think up shit like this.
Just saw that story, and healy rae's response was funny too.. "Should we start calling a manhole a personhole now as well?"
Aye it can be a bit silly alright. I used work for the fire service and one day there was the crew of a fire station where I worked at a training session. In the morning the trainer said "nice to see all the firemen this morning". And from the back comes "and firewomen" from 1 of the 2 women on the course. And to be honest I think she was right. Stuff like changing the name of the kerryman or woman's way or renaming a man hole I think is frankly ridiculous, but i have no problem of something like fireman going to fire person or whatever. Would prefer fireman or firewomen depending on who you're referencing. Fireperson sounds naff but probably encompasses it better.
I look forward to meeting you someday. Shaking your hand...... and crushing it!
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Why are we paying politicians to think up shit like this.
Just saw that story, and healy rae's response was funny too.. "Should we start calling a manhole a personhole now as well?"
Aye it can be a bit silly alright. I used work for the fire service and one day there was the crew of a fire station where I worked at a training session. In the morning the trainer said "nice to see all the firemen this morning". And from the back comes "and firewomen" from 1 of the 2 women on the course. And to be honest I think she was right. Stuff like changing the name of the kerryman or woman's way or renaming a man hole I think is frankly ridiculous, but i have no problem of something like fireman going to fire person or whatever. Would prefer fireman or firewomen depending on who you're referencing. Fireperson sounds naff but probably encompasses it better.
I look forward to meeting you someday. Shaking your hand...... and crushing it!
Hah. I'll squat you like a fly. A gust of wind would bowl you over.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/call-for-kerryman-to-be-renamed-pc-nonsense-says-healy-rae-1.4513758?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/call-for-kerryman-to-be-renamed-pc-nonsense-says-healy-rae-1.4513758?mode=amp)
Why are we paying politicians to think up shit like this.
Just saw that story, and healy rae's response was funny too.. "Should we start calling a manhole a personhole now as well?"
Aye it can be a bit silly alright. I used work for the fire service and one day there was the crew of a fire station where I worked at a training session. In the morning the trainer said "nice to see all the firemen this morning". And from the back comes "and firewomen" from 1 of the 2 women on the course. And to be honest I think she was right. Stuff like changing the name of the kerryman or woman's way or renaming a man hole I think is frankly ridiculous, but i have no problem of something like fireman going to fire person or whatever. Would prefer fireman or firewomen depending on who you're referencing. Fireperson sounds naff but probably encompasses it better.
I look forward to meeting you someday. Shaking your hand...... and crushing it!
Hah. I'll squat you like a fly. A gust of wind would bowl you over.
Shurr'up ya big fanny.
"What's your name?"
"Amanda"
"I'm afraid I have to stop you right there."
:laugh:
Here's some Personowar for all you true Metalers...
https://youtu.be/Wi09WpOaisU
Going through a bit of a Beastie People, Soulja Person, and Fatpeople Slim buzz myself.
You're so cool. Just soooo woke, aren't you?
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Why are we paying politicians to think up shit like this.
Just saw that story, and healy rae's response was funny too.. "Should we start calling a manhole a personhole now as well?"
Aye it can be a bit silly alright. I used work for the fire service and one day there was the crew of a fire station where I worked at a training session. In the morning the trainer said "nice to see all the firemen this morning". And from the back comes "and firewomen" from 1 of the 2 women on the course. And to be honest I think she was right. Stuff like changing the name of the kerryman or woman's way or renaming a man hole I think is frankly ridiculous, but i have no problem of something like fireman going to fire person or whatever. Would prefer fireman or firewomen depending on who you're referencing. Fireperson sounds naff but probably encompasses it better.
I notice nobody is complaining about the terms binman. Sick to my teeth of all this equality horseshit. It stopped being about anything to do with issues affecting people and began trying to seem morally superior by picking holes in language.
The thing is, when more and more women begin doing these jobs, the language will naturally change to suit. There are plenty of women working as postmen (!) so most people will gradually see the absurdity of saying postman and will just naturally say postman or postwoman as it fits. Are there women queuing up to become milkwomen and binwomen? I doubt it, but as long as the ones who want to do the job aren't being unreasonably kept from doing it or paid properly then that's the only thing that matters.
Quote from: hellfire on March 18, 2021, 07:37:48 PM
I notice nobody is complaining about the terms binman. Sick to my teeth of all this equality horseshit. It stopped being about anything to do with issues affecting people and began trying to seem morally superior by picking holes on language.
Change all the job titles with man in them. The whole fucking outdated lot of them. Do we call an electrician an electrician man. Everything else 're man hole or names of things is ridiculous and should be left alone. That to me is equality gone berserk. Like some daft one a few weeks ago on about a deck of cards and why is the king higher and we should a have a new deck. Fucking kill me already.
Quote from: Bigmac on March 18, 2021, 07:30:48 PM
Going through a bit of a Beastie People, Soulja Person, and Fatpeople Slim buzz myself.
Plus-Size Person Slim, surely?
Which raises the hypocrisy issue: calling someone fat is akin to pogoing on a baby's face but it's fine to refer to someone as slim, as it's seen as positive.
Yeah but they changed man of the match to player of the match where only men are playing. Why? Oh yeah the trannies.
Surely they could have just added tran of the match?
I saw a tranny going round town the other day in a mini skirt.
I thought to myself; "He's got some balls!"
One more......
What do you call a Mexican tranny?
Señor Rita.
Not only are there more and more binwomen (well, the trend couldn't really go the other direction), there are even same-sex married binwomen!
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/married-bin-collecting-couple-kate-21913520
Although surely, going along with another trend of modernity, binmen/women are officially called something like "waste managers" or more likely "refuse collectors" these days, no?
I don't know what you'd call this lad
https://youtu.be/Nex2B7yFxYs
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 18, 2021, 07:45:08 PM
The thing is, when more and more women begin doing these jobs, the language will naturally change to suit. There are plenty of women working as postmen (!) so most people will gradually see the absurdity of saying postman and will just naturally say postman or postwoman as it fits. Are there women queuing up to become milkwomen and binwomen? I doubt it, but as long as the ones who want to do the job aren't being unreasonably kept from doing it or paid properly then that's the only thing that matters.
Thing is, it's gone beyond woman/man he/she. You'll have postbinary and postjedi next.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 18, 2021, 07:59:39 PM
Surely they could have just added tran of the match?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You could award it to the footballerette who does the best diving pirouette when their opponent comes within their five meter personal space zone.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/call-for-kerryman-to-be-renamed-pc-nonsense-says-healy-rae-1.4513758?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/call-for-kerryman-to-be-renamed-pc-nonsense-says-healy-rae-1.4513758?mode=amp)
Why are we paying politicians to think up shit like this.
Just saw that story, and healy rae's response was funny too.. "Should we start calling a manhole a personhole now as well?"
Aye it can be a bit silly alright. I used work for the fire service and one day there was the crew of a fire station where I worked at a training session. In the morning the trainer said "nice to see all the firemen this morning". And from the back comes "and firewomen" from 1 of the 2 women on the course. And to be honest I think she was right. Stuff like changing the name of the kerryman or woman's way or renaming a man hole I think is frankly ridiculous, but i have no problem of something like fireman going to fire person or whatever. Would prefer fireman or firewomen depending on who you're referencing. Fireperson sounds naff but probably encompasses it better.
I notice nobody is complaining about the terms binman. Sick to my teeth of all this equality horseshit. It stopped being about anything to do with issues affecting people and began trying to seem morally superior by picking holes in language.
I agree with both of the points there and there is a happy medium where we stop making such a big deal out of it. Like if a woman delivers the post then the postwoman delivered it and if a man puts out the fire then the fireman did it and the binwoman collected the bins. No big deal, no offence given or taken. That bartranny pulls a great pint fair play to them etc. Of course that's in jest as the point of being a tranny must surely be to transition to a different sex so they will still be the barman or barwoman at the end of it. Until transhumanism kicks in, that is. Then it will have to be the bartranny until we find out exactly what it is they have become.
I work with 15 women and one gay lad and I'm a straight man and between us all there is never a sniff of any of this shite and we all laugh at the whole offended culture without getting offended by it. No chauvinism, no feminism and none of the other 15 million ways to be offended. World just needs to cop on and simplify it all a lot.
Ya, it's very rarely an issue beyond the online world ,I find. People can test the waters of absurdity here first.
To be honest I think the majority of this shit happens on twitter with folk having him/her/it on their profile and thinking jk Rowling is the anti Christ, are actually a small minority when compared to real life people
In my last job (short lived thank god) I was told that if I offended someone I would be immediately dismissed. This was regardless of what I said or if I meant to offend. This is what happens when people do useless degrees with no value on the private market. Either academia or HR. Then they get to inflict their horseshit on everyone.
Did you get fired when you said you've been working like a 'n word'?
:laugh: I got a good chuckle out of that
Just saw this rather amusing tweet from Peadar Toibin which sums up a lot of the misdirection in the current era:
QuoteIreland locked down for 180 days.
Longer & more severe than any other European country.
1,600 people have died in our Nursing Homes,
Mass unemployment,
Collapse of incomes
Tens of billions of euro of debt.
And FG's Josepha Madigan wants to change the name of the Kerryman paper.
The Australian senate showing some common sense.
https://youtu.be/VcmzLvt00bA
Check it out USA......
Pity about their irritating sneery tone as I agree with the move. They kind of undermine themselves by being so smug, like children lording it over their opponents. But yeah, it's a reasonable step towards sanity.
Or perhaps a sensible sidestep around insanity...
"Fantastic stuff."
Journalism really is dead as a fucking dodo on both "sides" of the mainstream.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 22, 2021, 09:34:27 AM
"Fantastic stuff."
Journalism really is dead as a fucking dodo on both "sides" of the mainstream.
I don't think anyone has ever disputed that.
Could he speak even slower?
I also prefer my newsreaders to at least attempt to look to be nuetral.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 22, 2021, 07:32:31 AM
The Australian senate showing some common sense.
https://youtu.be/VcmzLvt00bA
Check it out USA......
Kind of fucks the whole free speech thing. As ridiculous as all of that talk is I don't think it should be banned.
I agree. Can't fight for freedom of speech through censorship.
Here is a slightly different take on the current state of affairs from a P.C. of all people. Sort of explains why they like kicking the fuck out of people, all that pent up anguish.
https://mattjohnsonauthor.com/2021/03/16/im-done
There is a response linked at the bottom which I find less agreeable, too. Interesting to see another perspective which I hadn't considered anyway.
Has anyone like an Ali G style person wanted to be identified as a different race because they identify with them? Is it not the same argument as the gender thing?
Is the question, "What are wiggas?"
Wait, hang on...wha??
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 23, 2021, 08:57:53 PM
Has anyone like an Ali G style person wanted to be identified as a different race because they identify with them? Is it not the same argument as the gender thing?
No joke, I know a white English lad who has said on many an occasion that he identifies more as a black man. He's fully white but due to his london upbringing he came more and more to feeling black. Sort of a mowgli style adventure for him. Other than that slightly odd quirk he's not the worst of them
Does he call a knife a knaaf and say blaad instead of bruv? If so, wide berth.
He does, and he also says he's sorry all the time. Not for that in particular but he says it so often that if ever came up he'd definitely say sorry for that too. Seriously every second sentence is how he is sorry. Other than that slight twist he's not the worst of them
Does he get stopped by the police a lot?
Don't you mean 'the feds'?
Unfortunately not that I know of
Has the shitshow that is Aimee Challenor and Reddit been mentioned yet?
I'd rather be black than English too.
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Has the shitshow that is Aimee Challenor and Reddit been mentioned yet?
What's that one about?
Kamala Harris: genius :laugh:
https://youtu.be/r1rSyLycYN0
Surely not?
Quote from: Makeshiftatomsmasher on March 24, 2021, 04:54:22 AM
Has the shitshow that is Aimee Challenor and Reddit been mentioned yet?
I wish I hadn't delved into that. Vile stuff.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-reddit-censoring-the-spectator-
Aimee Channenor m'lud.....
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Quote from: Makeshiftatomsmasher on March 24, 2021, 04:54:22 AM
Has the shitshow that is Aimee Challenor and Reddit been mentioned yet?
What's that one about?
She works for reddit. Any mention of her, including documented stories are met with a shut down.
She's been sacked.
What did she do?
She had her father act as her election agent, after he had be charged with abusing a child.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/12/green-party-failed-to-properly-investigate-child-abuser-report
She's a wee dote....
Did she not send tweets saying she imagined children having sex or have I drastically got that wrong?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 25, 2021, 10:30:42 AM
Did she not send tweets saying she imagined children having sex or have I drastically got that wrong?
Her husband did that.
They are all odious people by the sounds of it.
Why the fuck did he tweet that? That's the sort of stuff people do when you hack another person's account?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 25, 2021, 11:12:22 AM
Why the fuck did he tweet that? That's the sort of stuff people do when you hack another person's account?
I think he was outed on some Mums Net forum or something, and he posted up a load of tweets as some sort of justification.
There's a bit of a summary of it all here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlL25wTJUDk
A racial arsonist. Whatever about tucker carlson, it's a great description of so many folks in the media/public who should know better
Just had an amazing argument with a chap in the phone repair shop over 50 quid and lo and behold he says to me "you're a racist" when I called him a liar. Absolute prick of the highest order. Not a single word mentioned about any element of race before he blurted that out either. I says what the fuck has race got to do with anything and he says you Irish are all the same, racists.
So that's where we are at in rural Tipperary in 2021. Progressing nicely by the look of things.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 25, 2021, 04:56:16 PM
Just had an amazing argument with a chap in the money laundering shop over 50 quid and lo and behold he says to me "you're a racist" when I called him a liar. Absolute prick of the highest order. Not a single word mentioned about any element of race before he blurted that out either. I says what the fuck has race got to do with anything and he says you Irish are all the same, racists.
So that's where we are at in rural Tipperary in 2021. Progressing nicely by the look of things.
Fixed that for you bud. I've yet to see any of the gobshites in the three 'phone repair' shops in our town fix anything other than a broken screen.
Yeah to be fair it's more of a place where school kids go to buy vapes than a place where phones are repaired, and beyond a broken screen I don't think they do a lot either.
Thieving knob even had the cheek to call the gardai and say I was a racist, and they told him it was an offence to call me that, which quieted him down in hilarious fashion.
With all the progress that had been made in the world in the last half century, and the concerted effort online to drive us all backwards in that regard, playing that card really boils my fucking blood. Whatever about laughing at all that lark on social media, an actual gimp trying to use it in real life to deflect from his thievery has offended my sense of what is right in the world. Am I an SJW now? :(
When you gonna torch it?
:laugh:
I wouldn't be participating in that Asian hate stuff. Does the middle east count?
Report the cunt for it, turn the tables. Fuck him.
Quote from: Carnage on March 25, 2021, 05:51:36 PM
Report the cunt for it, turn the tables. Fuck him.
Sure he called the gardai on me at the time and they put him nicely back in his box there and then. When the lads were getting back into the squad, I says to them "racist? Some joke" and the guard says "that's the latest card, everyone's playing it". To be fair to the lads they thought it was laughable as well.
It would be funny to complain him for it but too much hassle. A bit of online indignation will have to do
Yeah, because violent psychopaths are not going to murder women or anybody else once they reevaluate their masculinity. This utter bullshit won't deter or change anyone or anything. There is a war on nature going on here. Allow women to legally carry pepper spray or tasers. That's how you make a cunt think twice.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0316/1204312-young-men-masculinities-violence-against-women/
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
Allow women to legally carry pepper spray or tasers. That's how you make a cunt think twice.
Showing your vast knowledge of the most common contexts in which violence against women occurs there. Wives and girlfriends should keep pepper spray or a taser in their pocket while cooking? Or under the pillow? Is that it? Ah sure, let's just get back to talking about how the women protesting in Ireland after the Everard murder were all hairy ugly wans who would never be at risk of assault because no man would look twice at them; proper daycently raised man talk like! :-[
Why should cooking be a 'normal' situation for a women to be in? That's Neanderthal thinking there.
:laugh: Jaysus ya, putting the poor woman in her place in the kitchen. Naughty.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 27, 2021, 11:06:44 AM
putting the woman in her place in the kitchen.
Yeah but that's fair enough though.
Ah there you go now Kev; Emphyrio's come along to ruffle your hair for you.
To be be fair, he picked out one element of your post to take away any value of your point, which is pretty much exactly what you had done with his post.
Anyhoo, Saturday is no time for contrarianism.
Chris is the David Goggins of contrarianism, several times a day, NO DAYS OFF
NOTHING GETS DONE BY BEING A LITTLE BITCH
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 27, 2021, 11:18:14 AM
To be be fair, he picked out one element of your post to take away any value of your point, which is pretty much exactly what you had done with his post.
No, I gave an example from the forum from just a few days ago which is a shining, almost caricatural example of the kind of "toxic" masculinity that is the target of the article he posted. And also put to bed the "solution" he suggested to violence against women.
You also showed your latent misogyny by implying women cooking is a normal state of affairs for wives and girlfriends!
Oops! Stepped in it!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 27, 2021, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 27, 2021, 11:18:14 AM
To be be fair, he picked out one element of your post to take away any value of your point, which is pretty much exactly what you had done with his post.
No, I gave an example from the forum from just a few days ago which is a shining, almost caricatural example of the kind of "toxic" masculinity that is the target of the article he posted. And also put to bed the "solution" he suggested to violence against women.
To say he said he found a "solution" is inaccurate. The pepper spray thing certainly wouldn't be any harm for women to have. Of course it wouldn't work in domestic circumstances. He didn't say it would. You, yourself, brought up the recent case in England, an example of where pepper spray may have been helpful. Who knows. I think you get too much mileage out of belittling points of view. It's actually very small-minded and probably unhealthy. But anyway, I'm not getting on this particular hamster wheel.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 11:30:32 AM
You also showed your latent misogyny by implying women cooking is a normal state of affairs for wives and girlfriends!
Oops! Stepped in it!
It's a normal state of affairs for anyone. But sure just keep waving goodbye to your brain.
Not for me, the bird cooks everything.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 27, 2021, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
Allow women to legally carry pepper spray or tasers. That's how you make a cunt think twice.
Showing your vast knowledge of the most common contexts in which violence against women occurs there. Wives and girlfriends should keep pepper spray or a taser in their pocket while cooking? Or under the pillow? Is that it? Ah sure, let's just get back to talking about how the women protesting in Ireland after the Everard murder were all hairy ugly wans who would never be at risk of assault because no man would look twice at them; proper daycently raised man talk like! :-[
My God you talk some shite. He was trying to say that carrying pepper spray may act as an equaliser if they come across a bad situation. As usual you took a fair point, ignored it, and started rambling anyway.
I wonder was it toxic masculinity when the going got tough when the Wehrmacht rolled in and had to be resisted, or at Flodden, Culloden or Ypres? Glyndwr, The Montrose, Prince Lazar, Harold Godwinson? Naw, it was fight and die so that others, principally the fairer sex, didn't have to.
Yeah but that was ages ago, right?
I don't know anyone who slaps his wife around, kidnaps and murders women or any other immoral, despicable sociopathic or psychopathic behaviour, but these people have always and will always exist. Blaming this behaviour on the natural phenomenon of 'masculinity' (all the while ignoring Muslim grooming gangs etc) is one of the worst, most egregious excesses of the postmodern lunatics. Disgusting is usually hyperbole, but it is understatement in this case.
Quote from: hellfire on March 27, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 27, 2021, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
Allow women to legally carry pepper spray or tasers. That's how you make a cunt think twice.
Showing your vast knowledge of the most common contexts in which violence against women occurs there. Wives and girlfriends should keep pepper spray or a taser in their pocket while cooking? Or under the pillow? Is that it? Ah sure, let's just get back to talking about how the women protesting in Ireland after the Everard murder were all hairy ugly wans who would never be at risk of assault because no man would look twice at them; proper daycently raised man talk like! :-[
My God you talk some shite. He was trying to say that carrying pepper spray may act as an equaliser if they come across a bad situation. As usual you took a fair point, ignored it, and started rambling anyway.
Stupid question, but did you even glance at the article Kev was purportedly responding to? That was where the ignoring of a fair point happened, fyi.
My main point was the stupidity of blaming anything on masculinity or any other naturally occurring, necessary phenomena and not on the real causes. Nobody excusing these behaviours, but these fanatics and lunatics have less of an answer than the title to a fucking meaningless college thesis with no basis in reality.
Let's all take oestrogen and grow fannies if you want to ride that bullshit.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 02:39:49 PM
I wonder was it toxic masculinity when the going got tough when the Wehrmacht rolled in and had to be resisted, or at Flodden, Culloden or Ypres? Glyndwr, The Montrose, Prince Lazar, Harold Godwinson? Naw, it was fight and die so that others, principally the fairer sex, didn't have to.
The rapes of German women by Red Army soldiers moving through the country at the end of world war II, the rape of Vietnamese women by American soldiers, the rape of Korean women by American and Japanese soldiers; they're examples of toxic masculinity, especially since they were committed with a sense of impunity, just like the sense of impunity that's accompanied the shameful garbage that's been uttered here, among adult men, recently. Scarlet for yer mas, so to speak.
Anyone reading this thread would think metalers are all sexist, racist bastards.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 27, 2021, 03:11:18 PM
Anyone reading this thread would think metalers are all sexist, racist bastards.
There's only one poster who thinks that. He's the type of person who thinks red army soldiers raping women = all men are rapists.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 27, 2021, 03:10:48 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 02:39:49 PM
I wonder was it toxic masculinity when the going got tough when the Wehrmacht rolled in and had to be resisted, or at Flodden, Culloden or Ypres? Glyndwr, The Montrose, Prince Lazar, Harold Godwinson? Naw, it was fight and die so that others, principally the fairer sex, didn't have to.
The rapes of German women by Red Army soldiers moving through the country at the end of world war II, the rape of Vietnamese women by American soldiers, the rape of Korean women by American and Japanese soldiers; they're examples of toxic masculinity, especially since they were committed with a sense of impunity, just like the sense of impunity that's accompanied the shameful garbage that's been uttered here, among adult men, recently. Scarlet for yer mas, so to speak.
You don't answer the question, obviously. Are plunder (an ugly German word adapted into English and rapine examples of toxic masculinity? I don't believe such a thing exists, but say for instance that I did, and not despicable behaviour of conquering soldiers, which wasn't always considered so, and in some places it still isn't. What exactly is the solution, bar stock answers of no more wars? I know two guys who fought in the Kosovo conflict in the late 90s and both are profoundly and permanently fucked up individuals as a result. Perhaps men being put in a mentally disintegrating situation like modern warfare is more to blame than their testosterone levels.
And for you to call others views 'shameful' is Brent-esque.
Quote from: Blackout on March 27, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 27, 2021, 03:11:18 PM
Anyone reading this thread would think metalers are all sexist, racist bastards.
There's only one poster who thinks that. He's the type of person who thinks red army soldiers raping women = all men are rapists.
Man who speaks exclusively in sweeping statements erroneously accuses another of making a sweeping statement.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 03:25:46 PM
You don't answer the question, obviously. Are plunder (an ugly German word adapted into English and rapine examples of toxic masculinity? I don't believe such a thing exists, but say for instance that I did, and not despicable behaviour of conquering soldiers, which wasn't always considered so, and in some places it still isn't. What exactly is the solution, bar stock answers of no more wars?
Wasn't proposing a solution, just presenting a war context example of what could be considered toxic masculinity, since your tired attempt to use war as a counter-argument was so off target.
Off-target, yeah?
You are implying that rapine and plunder are toxic but killing the enemy is benign? That's what I'd garner from you're non-answer to my question and 'yeah but...' rebuttal. It's confusing and frustrating dealing with you.
Well, if I was Russian after being brutalised for 3 years by the blond beast, god knows what the fuck I'd be, or anyone else would be capable of. Read David Ervine's book, and what he was on his way to do after Bloody Friday.
Thirst for revenge isn't a singularly male trait, and I suggest you refresh your knowledge and understanding of history, and without your post modern lens.
And if you aren't proposing a solution (apart from puberty blockers and pretending men are women), have you considered that it's dearth may suggest that perhaps the profoundly disrespectful and ignorant theory of Toxic Masculinity is bullshit?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 27, 2021, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: Blackout on March 27, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 27, 2021, 03:11:18 PM
Anyone reading this thread would think metalers are all sexist, racist bastards.
There's only one poster who thinks that. He's the type of person who thinks red army soldiers raping women = all men are rapists.
Man who speaks exclusively in sweeping statements erroneously accuses another of making a sweeping statement.
You really are pathetic mate.
Less of the ad-hominems now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 27, 2021, 02:56:32 PM
Quote from: hellfire on March 27, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 27, 2021, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
Allow women to legally carry pepper spray or tasers. That's how you make a cunt think twice.
Showing your vast knowledge of the most common contexts in which violence against women occurs there. Wives and girlfriends should keep pepper spray or a taser in their pocket while cooking? Or under the pillow? Is that it? Ah sure, let's just get back to talking about how the women protesting in Ireland after the Everard murder were all hairy ugly wans who would never be at risk of assault because no man would look twice at them; proper daycently raised man talk like! :-[
My God you talk some shite. He was trying to say that carrying pepper spray may act as an equaliser if they come across a bad situation. As usual you took a fair point, ignored it, and started rambling anyway.
Stupid question, but did you even glance at the article Kev was purportedly responding to? That was where the ignoring of a fair point happened, fyi.
I included the quote you objected to
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 03:51:14 PM
Off-target, yeah?
Off-target, because you answered your own question in your own post. Was it (per se) toxic masculinity? No, it was fight and/or die. Were there instances of what would be termed toxic masculinity involved? Well, yeah. Hitler's entire project was based on a "toxic" vision of masculinity, something which is actually highlighted by the "blond beast" term you use, since Nietzsche employed it laden with irony, but his sister sold it on to the Führer at face value. And there were plenty of elements of toxic masculinity among the allies too; the Red Army already mentioned; the fallout among shell-shocked US and UK (and other) troops, never taken care of, never given proper treatment, expected to just grin and bear it, that masculine expectation was also literally "toxic", in the sense that it led to an epidemic of psychological problems.
I don't go in wholesale for the toxic masculinity shtick at all, otherwise I'd have to burn half the books I own, but I do recognize pettiness and, yes, rancor when I see and read it, and I find some of it shameful, as in I don't know how the person expressing it isn't ashamed to do so. Adult men dismissively coming out with stuff like "those women are too ugly to ever have been the target of sexual harassment" - you say it's "Brent-esque" of me to call that shameful? Well, that's where I would say a shpade is simply being called a shpade.
Some fair enough observations there (at last!).
'Toxic behaviour' might get fewer backs up and fewer sad cases arguing the toss on the internet, and Bloody Alice, Mary Tudor and those horrible bitches on the guard towers at sobibor might not have their legacies sullied.
Globally speaking, this kind of finger pointing and collective shaming and persecution is only allowed against one group and it is 'haram' to apply similar treatment to other groups.
I know you'll have little time for Vox here in Spain (they have some profoundly laughable stances), but they suggested equalising the gender violence laws to be applicable to both genders, without detriment to the current protections already afforded to women.
You can imagine the reaction.
Why is that?!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 04:05:57 PM
Less of the ad-hominems now.
There's only so much common sense you can throw at someone but when they're so entrenched in their ideology, I prefer short and sharp ad-hominems. Constant analysis of word salads becomes tiring.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
Yeah, because violent psychopaths are not going to murder women or anybody else once they reevaluate their masculinity. This utter bullshit won't deter or change anyone or anything. There is a war on nature going on here. Allow women to legally carry pepper spray or tasers. That's how you make a cunt think twice.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0316/1204312-young-men-masculinities-violence-against-women/
Honestly though, if even you actually read the article in detail, I personally don't see anything particularly mad in it that needs to be referred to as "utter bullshit":
Quote...in a vignette which involved a woman being groped in a bar, there was less certainty. Young people were unsure whether she should have been wearing the short skirt that was described in the depiction, or perhaps should have protected herself better. While young people did not see this behaviour as acceptable, it was very much normalised and to be expected. Indeed, one of the key findings to emerge is the ubiquity of unwanted touching and sexual assault experienced by young women, which was reported by both men and women in the study. This was attributed to men's sense of entitlement, a wish to be funny, show off to the 'lads' or fit in with male peer group norms.
See, "violent psychopaths" isn't really the problem, they certainly don't account for the huge numbers of sexual assault that occur on a regular basis, and which, let's not forget (and this was the point I was originally trying to make), most often involve acquaintances of one degree or another of the victim, not someone who attacks them in a way that pepper spray or a taser would be likely to hand. But maybe I'm missing something here due to my post-modern lens (and sure wasn't it the bould Foucault himself said that every grid of analysis hides as much as it reveals ;) ). So what is it you found most offensive in this article in particular?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 27, 2021, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
Yeah, because violent psychopaths are not going to murder women or anybody else once they reevaluate their masculinity. This utter bullshit won't deter or change anyone or anything. There is a war on nature going on here. Allow women to legally carry pepper spray or tasers. That's how you make a cunt think twice.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0316/1204312-young-men-masculinities-violence-against-women/
Honestly though, if even you actually read the article in detail, I personally don't see anything particularly mad in it that needs to be referred to as "utter bullshit":
Quote...in a vignette which involved a woman being groped in a bar, there was less certainty. Young people were unsure whether she should have been wearing the short skirt that was described in the depiction, or perhaps should have protected herself better. While young people did not see this behaviour as acceptable, it was very much normalised and to be expected. Indeed, one of the key findings to emerge is the ubiquity of unwanted touching and sexual assault experienced by young women, which was reported by both men and women in the study. This was attributed to men's sense of entitlement, a wish to be funny, show off to the 'lads' or fit in with male peer group norms.
See, "violent psychopaths" isn't really the problem, they certainly don't account for the huge numbers of sexual assault that occur on a regular basis, and which, let's not forget (and this was the point I was originally trying to make), most often involve acquaintances of one degree or another of the victim, not someone who attacks them in a way that pepper spray or a taser would be likely to hand. But maybe I'm missing something here due to my post-modern lens (and sure wasn't it the bould Foucault himself said that every grid of analysis hides as much as it reveals ;) ). So what is it you found most offensive in this article in particular?
And therein lies the problem when in discussion with you Herr Kristoph. It's so hard to decipher exactly what is your point, because you will almost always drown your point in a sea of word vomit.
The violent psychos like the one who killed Everard must be a problem, considering it seems to have been the impetus for the article.
If you conclude a piece talking in soundbytes about 'conversations we need to have in primary school', challenging the structures of society and power structures related to men and women, sorry I can't engage. The implication is that women are better than men (they aren't), therefore men should adopt female type characteristics (they shouldn't)and resist their own nature. Hence I brought up war etc.
I am fully aware that men can act the bollocks, there isn't a man jack of us here who hasn't been a leering pest at some point. However, most women outside of scholastic bubbles, want a man in the traditional sense, not a fanny who talks about his feelings endlessly, forsakes assertiveness, aggression etc. You'll find those characteristics are not as disposable as you think.
The 'solutions' proposed are vague and waffly, and the 'empirical' data is thoroughly unimpressive.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 08:58:44 PM
If you conclude a piece talking in soundbytes about 'conversations we need to have in primary school', challenging the structures of society and power structures related to men and women, sorry I can't engage.
Okay, so that's one obstacle we don't share.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 08:58:44 PM
The implication is that women are better than men (they aren't), therefore men should adopt female type characteristics (they shouldn't)and resist their own nature.
And that in turn is a couple of implications I don't draw. Appeals to "nature" like that are very shaky. Again, it's exactly what Nietzsche was undermining in all his blond beast passages. After all, twas Fred said that mankind's unique characteristic among animals was precisely that its nature had not yet been fixed, that all cultural evolutions of the species had occurred through what he called "transvaluations of all values," and had we all remained at the stage of dominant blond beasts, we'd be at least as unintelligent as we would be "noble", in the sense that, say, lions are noble, yet nowhere near our (or many other species') intelligence. In short, for N, the capacity to "resist" its "nature" is the actual nature and particularity of mankind.
So, maybe that's all waffle, but any appeal to "nature" is not as solid as anyone ever making the claim seems to think. There's a Sopolsky documentary where he tracks what happens in a group of monkeys (can't remember the species) when only the dominant males get wiped out, it's worth a watch, because no one asked the males there to do anything, yet apparently their nature just changed with the social environment.
We have inhibitions to regulate our nature, which is unique among animals. It's another thing altogether to attempt to engineer society by extirpating characteristics of one or both genders. That's madness, fanaticism. The Covenanters in Scotland and Puritans elsewhere tried to temper society radically 350 odd years ago, and we can see it for the lunacy it was now, quite clearly.
What did Orwell say, the further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it? It's part of a wider assault on the fabric of millennia old norms and millions of years of evolution, forcing people to accept new language, attitudes and outright lies and anti-science at the barrel of a virtual gun. When you do that, you get resistance. My issue is not with the ideology itself existing (although I hate it, passionately), but it's mainstream now, being forced to accept lies about trannies having no advantage in women's sports, Biden saying there isn't a thing a man can do that a woman can't do as well or better. The latter is blatantly untrue yet society is being coerced into pretending to believe it.
Jesus said if the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
I'd nearly start going to mass again lads, just to reduce the craziness going on around me a degree or two.
As with the pro-life stance, I think a large part of where things have gone far beyond the control of traditional voices is precisely due to their emphasis on morality and, give or take a few exceptionally kind souls, lack of pragmatic action. The church, in the large sense, did fuck all to genuinely come to the durable aid of women in situations of undesired pregnancies, regardless of the cause. If anything, they showed over and over again how much they looked down on them. The same can be said of women's sexuality, and of sexuality more generally. The "sin" aspect of sex is still absolutely ubiquitous in our language; dirty talk, slut, whore, etc. As the secular culture around sex began opening up, starting in Europe and the US after the war, at every step of the way conservative voices (and their influence, which went far beyond their vocal supporters) condemned and doubled down on speech that evoked sin, promiscuity as an affront to "God". None of that, sorry to have to break it to you, was "truth". It is not "true" that a girl who sleeps around is worse than a guy who sleeps around, yet we live in a culture which has reinforced that idea for centuries, and in some corners continues to do so. What did conservatives try to do to counteract that fanatical, ideological lie? Sweet fuck all. And so, since every single one of us is a sexual being to one extent or another, and since we are the ones who create culture, obviously the mainstream culture slipped straight out of the hands of the conservatives, with their set of traditional lies, and into the hands of others, and what you would call their progressive lies.
You won't convince me that there are more "lies" propping up "liberal" society than there were "traditional" society. That just wouldn't be true.
I'm not a religious person, and I don't believe in infringing on anyone's personal liberties (I don't believe abortion is a personal choice, nor are minors capable of consenting to hormone therapy to artificially and permanently alter their bodies).
It'd be convenient for your narrative if I was a church goer, but you'll have to find another angle. The unfettered power of the church has been proven to be rank rotten long before Marx and Foucault started shiteing on. That isn't to say it should be suppressed either. You only have to look at how precious the church is in Poland, Serbia or Russia compared to Ireland precisely because it was outlawed under socialism.
Even if I were to defend the church, lies and fascism on the left are hardly justified because the 'other side' had their chance at hegemony. I'm no longer a social media user, but you can see lives and careers evisverated for 'wrong think', for questioning orthodoxy.
My kid told me yesterday that one of his teachers was blurring gender lines in his class, gender is an identity (if you research the man who coigned that expression, you'd be loath to ever use it again) boys should play with dolls etc. I'd nearly report the fucker. This is in a public school, and the young f'la is 8. Teach him the shit on the curriculum, let him socialise and keep the blue haired shit to yourself.
My "narrative" doesn't rely exclusively on the church, although the church is the original source for most of it in western culture. What I'm saying, your individual views on personal liberties notwithstanding, is that the conservative voices, the traditional voices, lost their grip on mainstream culture, precisely by being inflexible and doubling-down on gendered sexual condemnation just as society at large was opening up in that area. To use an utterly church-free illustration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPlEIryW8zA
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 27, 2021, 02:39:49 PM
I wonder was it toxic masculinity when the going got tough when the Wehrmacht rolled in and had to be resisted, or at Flodden, Culloden or Ypres? Glyndwr, The Montrose, Prince Lazar, Harold Godwinson? Naw, it was fight and die so that others, principally the fairer sex, didn't have to.
Yeah but that was ages ago, right?
I don't know anyone who slaps his wife around, kidnaps and murders women or any other immoral, despicable sociopathic or psychopathic behaviour, but these people have always and will always exist. Blaming this behaviour on the natural phenomenon of 'masculinity' (all the while ignoring Muslim grooming gangs etc) is one of the worst, most egregious excesses of the postmodern lunatics. Disgusting is usually hyperbole, but it is understatement in this case.
I love both sides of the Caoimhin vs BSC saga but I think this is a great post. I would in the past have considered myself a 'liberal'. But that side has lost the plot these days sadly.
I agree liberals have broadly lost the plot. But the traditionalists had equally lost the plot before them. As in the examples I've already given, it's still being revealed more and more today to what extent both powerful and everyman conservative figures were involved, at worst, in creating victims, and at best in silencing them, all in order to "conserve" the traditional order of things. That is the plot well and truly lost. The fact that more was not done earlier, from within conservative/traditional camps, may be just as responsible for the excessive liberal swing we're seeing now as that self same liberal swing has been said to be responsible for things like Trump getting voted in. What is needed, from both sides, is a more measured, more pragmatic, wiser way to respond to revelations of excesses.
It seems disingenuous to me, for example, to heavily imply that Muslim women are treated badly because of something that is inherently perverse in the Islamic tradition (so the argument often goes) while at the same time denying that certain traditionalist western views could have led to similar results. For a very long time, abused wives had little to no recourse, and the traditional order did almost nothing to change this. Is domestic violence more prevalent in certain cultures? Almost certainly yes. Is culture transmitted in part through education? Absolutely yes. I genuinely don't understand arguments to the contrary. Opportunities for dialogue were originally refused by traditionalists, when they were the mainstream. Now they are being refused by liberals. So, what's the solution? It's made difficult when the enormous machinery of the media has made a business model out of polarization via the stroking of demographically identified positions.
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 28, 2021, 11:40:10 PM
I would in the past have considered myself a 'liberal'. But that side has lost the plot these days sadly.
I know how you feel there. I would have considered myself to have certain leanings over the years but I can't identify with any of the positions these days. And like you say, I agree with points both of the lads make, but not consistently enough to take up a position on it. I have noticed lately how strongly the internet/media in general tries to pull me in one direction or another though. It was always there for those who wanted it, but something has changed in the last 3 or 4 years and it has gone into overdrive. Everything is oppositional now and everyone has a hill to die on or several totems to kneel before and it's pretty fucked up.
I've seen it in friends circles where they won't talk to someone who holds a different position on an issue. Well if u take that position you'll have no friends. Everyone disagrees on something. And existing in an echo chamber where u only hear views you like isn't good imo.
I've always considered that variety is the spice of life and how shit would everything be if everyone agreed all the time. Nothing wrong with a bit of verbal jousting and not taking everything personally, but try that on social media and it's the inevitable descent into madness. Really not representative of real life at all, except it's spilling over more often these days. Very little room for nuance in making statements all the time and having to hold positions. It's like no one can change their mind on social media, they have made a public stance and must maintain it.
The difference is you get cancelled these days for having a different opinion.
About that Nietzsche musing, how would you relate it to homosexuality?
There is no doubt that women in Islamic countries are worse off than in any even moderately civilised society, there can be no comparison while keeping a straight face. Churchill, whatever you think of the man, put it quite bluntly - 'The fact that every mohommaden woman must be the absolute property of a man, either as wife, child or concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until Islam ceases to be a great power amongst men'. Yet your common or garden 'feminist' (although I read that fewer than 10% of UK females consider themselves such) is far more concerned with the myth of unequal pay and other frivolous shite like being called 'love' or 'darling', or the strangest one, having a man hold the door open for them. Priorities, girls. The alliance between the left and Islam is more of a head scratcher than the Nazi-Soviet pact. The Saudi lads must think it's absolutely gas altogether.
Big Winston also said 'the fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists'. Maybe that's why those 'anti fascists' vandalised his statue. Roy Jenkins biography on the man changed my vaguely antagonistic view of him to one of admiration.
An interesting drinking game would be to match his daily intake scoop for scoop. Guaranteed messages to old flames and soiled bedsheets upon completion.
Or Guy Burgess' 10 bottles of wine and a pile of books while never leaving bed except to piss, and your food beside you pre-prepared over a weekend. It sounds both horrendous and really tempting at the same time.
Quote from: Ollkiller on March 29, 2021, 12:09:53 PM
I've seen it in friends circles where they won't talk to someone who holds a different position on an issue. Well if u take that position you'll have no friends. Everyone disagrees on something. And existing in an echo chamber where u only hear views you like isn't good imo.
Yep it's made, I don't think I agree with my friends on anything we have different politics, music tastes, football allegiances etc. The only common ground is a general hatred for humanity 😂
I watched Meeting the Man - James Baldwin in Paris last night. Just a 30 minute documentary filmed in Paris in 1970 or 71 by a couple of English guys who wanted to make film about him. It gets highly confrontational, and so is quite a challenging watch in places, but all the more compelling for that reason for anyone interested in the whole emancipation movement, etc.
Anyway, relative to certain recent discussions here, this part jumped out:
Quote
Interviewer: In a literal sense, you're writing for white people. Are you aware of that?
J.B.: I'm writing for people, baby. I don't believe in white people. I don't believe in black people either, for that matter. But I know the difference between being black and white at this time.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 29, 2021, 03:03:55 PM
I watched Meeting the Man - James Baldwin in Paris last night. Just a 30 minute documentary filmed in Paris in 1970 or 71 by a couple of English guys who wanted to make film about him. It gets highly confrontational, and so is quite a challenging watch in places, but all the more compelling for that reason for anyone interested in the whole emancipation movement, etc.
Anyway, relative to certain recent discussions here, this part jumped out:
Quote
Interviewer: In a literal sense, you're writing for white people. Are you aware of that?
J.B.: I'm writing for people, baby. I don't believe in white people. I don't believe in black people either, for that matter. But I know the difference between being black and white at this time.
Sounds interesting, where did you come across that?
I'd seen it mentioned somewhere, the documentary, and found a torrent for it on magnetdl
Quote from: Carnage on March 29, 2021, 03:13:26 PM
Sounds interesting, where did you come across that?
It's on Mubi currently - https://mubi.com/films/meeting-the-man-james-baldwin-in-paris
Ah right, thank you gentlemen.
I'm sure this'll be very impartial.
https://www.thejournal.ie/maternity-leave-councillors-5394847-Mar2021/
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 29, 2021, 01:20:58 PM
Yet your common or garden 'feminist' (although I read that fewer than 10% of UK females consider themselves such) is far more concerned with the myth of unequal pay and other frivolous shite like being called 'love' or 'darling', or the strangest one, having a man hold the door open for them. Priorities, girls.
Its a fucking minefield for men :laugh:
Hard to beat Larry
https://youtu.be/CyFSAzwLtPk
On topic op-ed from Sean Moncrieff:
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/sean-moncrieff-the-irish-are-in-danger-of-losing-their-superpower-1.4506330
QuoteWe are getting sucked into a binary view of the world: life isn't black or white; it's grey.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 30, 2021, 11:35:45 PM
On topic op-ed from Sean Moncrieff:
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/sean-moncrieff-the-irish-are-in-danger-of-losing-their-superpower-1.4506330
QuoteWe are getting sucked into a binary view of the world: life isn't black or white; it's grey.
Meself and the brother were talking about that the other night. Well he was telling me about it anyway. Must give it a squint
"Black on Asian crimes only occur because of our system of white supremacy that strips African Americans of their economic opportunities while taking respect and dignity away from Asian Americans. "
Someone actually said that.
These idiots would argue with you if you told them the rain was wet.
Conservatism is now counter culture, it cannot be denied.
Maybe Bismarck and the boys had the right idea with the balance of power in Europe to prevent any one side becoming too powerful. I'd favour the violent dismemberment and pacification route like what they did to France in 1870, but sure the next best thing is letting them chew their own arses off, which sure as your bollix they will.
I'll deny it: conservatism is not counter-culture. There's not really much counter-culture to speak of at the moment; liberalism may have become mainstream, but conservatism still wields massive power and influence, and has solidly established foundations around the world. Maybe the very few voices who try to walk a middle ground are the only counter-culture we have now. Not many of the mouth-pieces you reference would fit that description Kev.
I fucking weep for mankind. I agree though they will have to eat themselves sooner or later. The problem started this time when someone actually looked up the crime statistics and found that far more violence against Asians was by non-whites. So that quote is the twist of logic required to keep the narrative flying in the face of reason. And flying it is.
The only counter-culture nowadays is to try hold the middle ground when all around are being polarised.
On testosterone and the male psyche:
Hormones have functions. Testosterone's function is anabolic (constructive). It is the male hormone. Men have a tendency and desire towards results. A man is satisfied when his job is done. Women can be sustained on love and validation alone - men cannot. Men are internal animals, and to prove their existence, they need to show results which stem from the internal.
The Greek concept of Thumos is highly applicable here. In Homer's songs, Thumos leaves the hero's body in times of dire need to bring the hero back up. So; testosterone punishes man when he does nothing and rewards him when he shows his power.
Be powerful and you will be healthy. Be powerless and you will lose even that little power you had. Matthew 13:12
Explains soy unhappiness and the high trans suicide rates.
In the near future instead of Red Bull giving you wings it will be "Soy Milk gives you tiiits!"
And fuckers will lap it up, to like get in touch with their feminine side and stuff. Except the feminists, they are perfect just the way they are.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 31, 2021, 06:09:27 PM
Explains soy unhappiness and the high trans suicide rates.
Yes, in the same way that trees waving about explains wind.
That's also not what Matthew 13:12 says.
In the west, it's certainly counter culture in the sense that it's clearly silenced by the ones who wield power, that includes mainstream media, the majority of political clout and , crucially, the tech giants.
Your mate Stevie Crowder got himself cancelled earlier this week, for no discernible reason. That is to say, rather than give conservatives a martyr, they said he gave misleading information regarding COVID. Me hole.
Having right wing views on a college campus, even in Ireland, you might as well be a giant mincing homosexual with mixed race heritage in 1950's Mississippi. Wearing communist or homosexual or gender bending slogans and paraphernalia on campus is like wearing soccer jerseys in PE when I was a young lad. You'd be taking the risk of at the very least some fucker mouthing off at you if you had anything even suggesting you think men are not women.
So, yeah, I'd say it is, to some extent, counter culture. The underground!
And another thing, true liberals are in total opposition to pseudo-Marxism, 'progressiveness' and all the woke bullshit. I don't know why that term has become currency for describing these lunatics.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 31, 2021, 06:50:54 PM
In the west, it's certainly counter culture in the sense that it's clearly silenced by the ones who wield power
Britain: conservatives in power.
France: conservative leaning, police-state dreaming, islamophobes in power, nationalists with huge share of popular vote.
Norway: conservatives in power.
Poland: conservatives in power.
US: conservatives in power up until a couple of months ago, and so on...
Sure, in certain circles certain views are rejected, sometimes more strongly than they should be, but the conditions for it to be a "counter-culture" don't exist. We're in a new period, and the old labels don't fit. And conservatives bitching and moaning like as if they have it harder than a homosexual Afro-American in 1950s Mississippi are ridiculous, yet numerous.
British and Norwegian examples are spurious, they are 'conservative' in name only.
Why doesn't the label fit? Because you believe that or because you're loathe to apply it to your ideological opponents for fear of making them 'cool' somehow?
In any case, I'm not saying that conservatives have it worse than the gay Mexican in the south (Gods country, loved it there), but having those views and having the balls to express them in public, you can draw a parallel, if not an exact one.
Those corporations you hate have, to a man, adopted wokeism, not because they give a shit, but because they see which way the wind is blowing. They are a great weather vain for culture.
(I'm certain I've spelt weather vain poorly there)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 31, 2021, 06:37:22 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 31, 2021, 06:09:27 PM
Explains soy unhappiness and the high trans suicide rates.
Yes, in the same way that trees waving about explains wind.
That's also not what Matthew 13:12 says.
It's gospel nigga...
;D
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How is that remotely funny? That's the right wing equivalent of a joke about Donald Trump being thick. Pathetic.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 31, 2021, 07:57:14 PM
Why doesn't the label fit? Because you believe that or because you're loathe to apply it to your ideological opponents for fear of making them 'cool' somehow?
Why doesn't the label "counterculture" fit those espousing conservative views in the 21st century? Because they're not so much "countering" one culture with anything subversive or different. They're just continuing to represent one other, extremely well established culture, in a global system where the antagonistic combination of the two has been The Culture for decades:
Many western nations have conservative leaning governments and/or well-established explicitly conservative parties with significant voter share. No historical "counterculture" had such political strength behind it to begin with. This is a point they have to build to over time, and which they may never achieve.
Conservatism has a massive, powerful, politically influential, extremely well-funded, long-standing, established place within what is the mainstream western culture (Fox News, New York Post, The Sun, The Daily Mail...). Again, no "counterculture" ever had such a media machine behind it at its beginnings.
Conservatism never, ever went away to enough of an extent for it to now be considered a "counterculture," regardless of any progressive excesses (of which there are many, but none come close to the excesses of conservatives in the 1950s, let's be honest).
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 31, 2021, 09:25:18 PM
How is that remotely funny? That's the right wing equivalent of a joke about Donald Trump being thick. Pathetic.
Settle down Karen
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 31, 2021, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 31, 2021, 07:57:14 PM
Why doesn't the label fit? Because you believe that or because you're loathe to apply it to your ideological opponents for fear of making them 'cool' somehow?
Why doesn't the label "counterculture" fit those espousing conservative views in the 21st century? Because they're not so much "countering" one culture with anything subversive or different. They're just continuing to represent one other, extremely well established culture, in a global system where the antagonistic combination of the two has been The Culture for decades:
Many western nations have conservative leaning governments and/or well-established explicitly conservative parties with significant voter share. No historical "counterculture" had such political strength behind it to begin with. This is a point they have to build to over time, and which they may never achieve.
Conservatism has a massive, powerful, politically influential, extremely well-funded, long-standing, established place within what is the mainstream western culture (Fox News, New York Post, The Sun, The Daily Mail...). Again, no "counterculture" ever had such a media machine behind it at its beginnings.
Conservatism never, ever went away to enough of an extent for it to now be considered a "counterculture," regardless of any progressive excesses (of which there are many, but none come close to the excesses of conservatives in the 1950s, let's be honest).
Conservatism is counter, or contrary, to the dominant culture at the present moment, that doesn't imply that itself wasn't at one time THE culture. I'm pretty sure that even your pals in the sociology department would agree with that, albeit grudgingly.
We're arguing over a form of words like a pair jokers from SF/DUP now.
I mean, wouldn't a commited free marketeer in 1960s Soviet Union have been as counter culture as a doctrinaire Leninist in 1910?
You'd rather have a tooth pulled without even a tot of rum than accept this I fear :)
I just see the self-applied use of the term as conservatives' recently adopted persecution complex, something which is rich in extremis.
It's as rich as the traditional counter culture going full totalitarian dystopia.
Even you and kev are in the middle as things go these days
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 31, 2021, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 31, 2021, 09:25:18 PM
How is that remotely funny? That's the right wing equivalent of a joke about Donald Trump being thick. Pathetic.
Settle down Karen
Well I hardly find it distressing or triggering considering I think there's a lot of hullabaloo and nonsense around the gender and trans debate. I just think that as a joke, it is an utter failure. I thought Trump was an odd looking buffoon but that didn't make the endless predictable jokes about him any funnier to me because most of them had no skill or actual wit behind them. That supposed joke above isn't even making an attempt to use language in a clever or surprising way (you know, like a joke!) and is nothing more than banal virtue signaling barely dressed up as comedy. Bottom of the barrel stuff. It hardly warrants a single :laugh: never mind a flood of :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This is generally why I find political humour painful to watch. It's seldom more than a bit of weak propaganda for packs of dogs to howl at in unison.
I dunno man, maybe, it gave me a chuckle, who cares?
I think Bernard Manning is the funniest stand up comedian of all time, and you may well cringe out of your skin listening to him (You'd enjoy it either way just imagining Chris' reaction to the jokes). It's all objective.
@Caomhaoin
Please don't laugh at anything I post in future. It upsets too many people mate.
Ah no, just your poor attempts at humour, so that's only 95% of your posts.
Sure didn't big daddy Kev just give you the validation you were looking for with his response to your last shit joke... you don't need him to pat your head every time you drop a clanger, surely?
Jaysus we're salty this morning. Holy Thursday lads.
Oooooh saucy. Thank you for your kind critical comments my friend and trust me, I'll hold them dear to my heart and promise to become a better person from now on.
❤️XXxX❤️
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2021, 07:41:12 AM
(You'd enjoy it either way just imagining Chris' reaction to the jokes).
I can make that one easy for you: it'd be the same reaction as your missus' whenever you have sex - a series of increasingly bored sighs ;) :abbath: :abbath:
Oooooh, naughty!
:laugh:
Ohhhh, this is getting interesting.....
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2021, 09:24:44 AM
Jaysus we're salty this morning. Holy Thursday lads.
No more than usual.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 01, 2021, 08:17:48 AM
Please don't laugh at anything I post in future. It upsets too many people mate.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 01, 2021, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2021, 09:24:44 AM
Jaysus we're salty this morning. Holy Thursday lads.
No more than usual.
Ha, true enough. If you found a tenner on the footpath you'd complain about litter you whopper!
Yeah but I'd pick it up, so I'd be a moany cunt who gets results.
No doubt you'd shtick it straight in the aul Trócaire box too....
:laugh:
Let's forget our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream.
This from The Guardian... I remember when The Guardian wouldn't print anything spurious.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/31/tom-hanks-son-chet-criticized-racist-font-white-boy-summer
No one doubts Tom Hank's young fella is a fucking gowl but the people wetting themselves over this need to cop on.
Imagine the pearl clutching field day these internet dwellers have a metal festival.
No pics of the merch, disappointing. Hopefully it's not too expensive.
Fraktur font, which was used in Nazi Germany. It never existed before that sure!
They also used oxygen, water, krupps, BMW, Siemens etc. Laughable, absolutely pathetic 'journalism'.
Pity about those Fred Perry shirts, they identified my Kilkenny and SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler credentials.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 01, 2021, 01:24:06 PM
No pics of the merch, disappointing. Hopefully it's not too expensive.
It's shit. For reference;
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0555/6050/3452/products/WBS-TEE-BLACK-FRONT_600x.png?v=1617067329)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0555/6050/3452/products/WBS-TEE-BLACK-BACK_470x.png?v=1617067329)
It has about as much creative thought put into it as a pub in Temple Bar does for their merch.
Worse than the laziest of band merch, you could make a much better trigger top yourself.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2021, 01:31:23 PM
Fraktur font, which was used in Nazi Germany. It never existed before that sure!
They also used oxygen, water, krupps, BMW, Siemens etc. Laughable, absolutely pathetic 'journalism'.
Pity about those Fred Perry shirts, they identified my Kilkenny and SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler credentials.
See also;
What about that, The Guardian? What about that? Not so funny when it's one of your own. Picking on mentally deficient, millionaire's son, Chet Hanks like that.
(https://cdn.justwineapp.com/assets/producer/logo/samuel-smith.png)
(I am on the cusp of 5 days off and am RATTLING from coffee.)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2021, 01:31:23 PM
Fraktur font, which was used in Nazi Germany. It never existed before that sure!
They also used oxygen, water, krupps, BMW, Siemens etc. Laughable, absolutely pathetic 'journalism'.
Pity about those Fred Perry shirts, they identified my Kilkenny and SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler credentials.
No doubt our kung-flu friends will bang out some decent knock-offs. Fear not Komrade Kaomhaoin....
Quote from: StoutAndAle on April 01, 2021, 01:14:59 PM
This from The Guardian... I remember when The Guardian wouldn't print anything spurious.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/31/tom-hanks-son-chet-criticized-racist-font-white-boy-summer
No one doubts Tom Hank's young fella is a fucking gowl but the people wetting themselves over this need to cop on.
Imagine the pearl clutching field day these internet dwellers have a metal festival.
"Hey can you do them in that Aryan font?"
"Don't you mean Arial?"
"...no."
Racist font... my word, talk about head up hole journalism.
People should just use the same font on BLM shirts and there goes that ridiculously shit argument and the excuse for journalism that goes with it.
I was reading an article recently. It stated that there's 50% less proper journalists now than there was in 2001 and that they're on 50% less money now too. Said if it was any other profession that there would be an outcry.
Guess no one gives a shit about it nowadays because of all the bad ones, and there's many!
The Media today reminds me of that Rock bottom sketch from The Simpsons.
@Caomhaoin
Would you slip any of them a length, even after 10 pint Tuesday?
They have the right to remain fat, but they're dying. Even Ollkiller or Ducky, right on as they are, would decline an invitation.
I'm looking forward to the sequel, You Have the Right to Remain Retarded.
I see they are adding George Floyd to the stations of the cross on BBC. A violent criminal being lionised only because of the manner of his death, and convicting yer man Chauvin before his trial has concluded. People are obliged to pay money for this shite.
I wonder what the futuramanians will think when they sift through what's left of our civilisation. George Washington and Colombus statues in the bin, and this lad looking like a Demi-God. Cringe.
If he's not convicted, god knows what these malnourished black bloc assholes will do in round two.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2021, 06:12:39 PM
Would you slip any of them a length, even after 10 pint Tuesday?
They have the right to remain fat, but they're dying. Even Ollkiller or Ducky, right on as they are, would decline an invitation.
I'd do 6 of them anyway....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 01, 2021, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2021, 06:12:39 PM
Would you slip any of them a length, even after 10 pint Tuesday?
They have the right to remain fat, but they're dying. Even Ollkiller or Ducky, right on as they are, would decline an invitation.
I'd do 6 of them anyway....
😂
I actually laughed out loud at that. The last two comments are from your 5% material, in fairness to you. You're a bad man.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2021, 06:47:44 PM
I see they are adding George Floyd to the stations of the cross on BBC. A violent criminal being lionised only because of the manner of his death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scriptural_Way_of_the_Cross#Eleventh_station:_Jesus_promises_his_Kingdom_to_the_repentant_thief
I wouldn't think you really "get" Jesus though tbh, so maybe not surprising you didn't realize while typing just how, in fact, eminently fitting it is to pay homage to a dead criminal during the stations of the cross.
He's comparing George Floyd to Jesus now.
Drag Kids by Desmond is Amazing....
https://mobile.twitter.com/hausofamazing?lang=en#:~:text=The%20Haus%20of%20Amazing%20is,New%20York%2C%20NY
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 02, 2021, 05:16:22 AM
He's comparing George Floyd to Jesus now.
FYI, Jesus was crucified between two criminals, one of whom he told "I tell you, this day you will be with me in Paradise." Don't be embarrassing yourself in front of the other conservatives now ;)
What is your point?
That criminals who have been put to death in, literally, spectacular ways are an integral part of the Easter story, not something aberrant. And then, y'know, Christianity, forgiveness and all that. You may not like that they chose George Floyd, but the fact that they chose a "violent criminal" is absolutely in harmony with the biblical account.
They chose him because he was black and got killed by the police whilst resisting arrest.
I think the lads up with Jesus were not black. Not enough diversity or police, sorry.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 02, 2021, 09:26:11 AM
They chose him because he was black and got killed by the police whilst resisting arrest.
Ah, I get you; echoing Saint Peter, the father of Christianity, who cut off one of the arresting officer's ears while resisting the arrest of Jesus against Jesus' wishes? :)
I wouldn't have taken you for an evangelist, given your penchant for the the auld korl morxism.
Scooby Doo is less confused than you pal.
"Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common."
Acts of the Apostles, chapter 4 verse 32.
:abbath:
Funny that Comrade Lenin banned the whole thing!
It's not quite true that the bible was banned in the USSR, but the verse is one of many that explain why the traditionalists in Rome fought against the bible being translated into the vulgate.
Not officially banned, nor was religion, but de facto.
Right, just like it was by the Catholic church; de facto banned. It's a dangerous book, especially the New Testament...especially for conservatives! Sure Jesus was killed for being a radical!
The original victim of cancel culture!
Saw a few days ago that Chauvin has a slim chance of getting away with it. The amount of fentanyl in Floyd's system was way above what was necessary to overdose. Even if he got away with it he wouldn't be safe anywhere on the planet.
Quote from: hellfire on April 02, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
Saw a few days ago that Chauvin has a slim chance of getting away with it. The amount of fentanyl in Floyd's system was way above what was necessary to overdose. Even if he got away with it he wouldn't be safe anywhere on the planet.
He'd be safe plenty of places.
They'll have to throw the book at him though I'd say. Otherwise we're in for another 6 months of
Burn
Loot
Murder
Quote from: hellfire on April 02, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
Saw a few days ago that Chauvin has a slim chance of getting away with it. The amount of fentanyl in Floyd's system was way above what was necessary to overdose. Even if he got away with it he wouldn't be safe anywhere on the planet.
He had a high level in his system, not a fatal amount, plus you need to account for any tolerance he may have had. Plus opiod overdoses come on incredibly quickly, fenthynal even more so, when did he last take it before the incident?
Had he taken enough fentanyl for him personally to overdose, he wouldn't have been buying something in a shop just beforehand, he'd have been collapsed in a heap a few feet away from wherever he'd administered the dose.
Erra yeah, pure coincidence that he happened to have difficulty breathing to the point of death after a policeman knelt on his neck for 8 fucking minutes. Pure bad luck for Chauvin that a normally lethal drug decided to hold off on the lethality just in time to make him look bad!
He seemed quite frisky for a man who had just od'd.
It may have contributed to his death, but no more than that.
If you were on that jury, even if there was compelling evidence to acquit, you'd be scared witless to return anything but a guilty verdict. He has to be sacrificed to the zombies, guilty or not.
Ah he's guilty alright. Floyd being put on a pedestal is, of course, ridiculous but thems the times. There would be war if Chauvin was acquitted but I think there's enough clear evidence that he was definitely too heavy handed.
Whatever ones thoughts on everything that happened after that incident, how could you see it any other way than murder/manslaughter and total negligence of force. The video really does tell pretty much all of what you need to know. 8 minutes of that as somebody said above, the guy repeatedly saying he can't breathe and still, still he continued to kneel on his neck. Catch yourselves on, seriously.
Probably, but it'd still be interesting to hear what comes out in court. You never know.
He had 11 nanograms per millileter of fentanyl in his blood when analyzed, which police sources say is enough for a fatal overdose in a first time user. They also added that such an amount would have a street value of...one billion dollars!
It was stated that he bought cigarettes beforehand with the fake $20 bill, but he actually bought a banana which is kept quiet because of certain connotations.
Drug users regularly buy a piece of fruit with fake money because it's the cheapest thing they can buy to get as much real money in change to buy their drugs.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 02, 2021, 03:38:37 PM
It was stated that he bought cigarettes beforehand with the fake $20 bill, but he actually bought a banana which is kept quiet because of certain connotations.
Drug users regularly buy a piece of fruit with fake money because it's the cheapest thing they can buy to get as much real money in change to buy their drugs.
He bought both, and apparently not at the same moment, possibly due to being high (I've been there!). The video footage was shown for the first time during the trial a couple of days ago. So, as far as we know - but don't let that stop you - the banana aspect wasn't "kept quiet because of certain connotations", but rather because the clerk says it was the cigarettes that Floyd tried to buy with the fake note, which was arguably the trigger event that led to everything after.
The Clerk also says he was just happy, chatting to people. A large black man, off his tits on meth and opiates...I'm sure the other patrons were just floating on a cloud after that interaction!
Sure watch the video Kev:
https://nypost.com/2021/03/31/george-floyd-laughing-dancing-in-store-moments-before-death/
None of the other "patrons" seem particularly bothered by his presence at all.
It's a common phenomenon, everyone has it. When a psycho or druggie appears on public transport or a store, just pretend they don't exist.
Pretty much all the other patrons who come into close contact with him appear to be other black men and one black woman. I think you'll just have to accept that Afro-Americans from the same neighborhood won't have had the same biases or preciousness as you do, and just got on with their day, without it bothering their emotional state - as you implied above - in the slightest bit.
The cops had him restrained. And handcuffed. But Chauvin stays there for ages on his neck. He kept his knee on his neck for one minute 30 seconds after the paramedics arrived. Theres just no logic to it at all. To me it's manslaughter. Only he knows if he wanted to kill him. Why that technique is used to subdue anyone is beyond me. Way too easy to cause serious damage if you cut oxygen to the brain for any length of time.
Have to agree. No sense whatsoever in kneeling on a mans neck for any length of time.
It's very sad. Seeing the lad doing his little shuffle there in the video waiting to be served and knowing that he only has minutes of his life left.
White people, get to the back of the vaccine bus!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com/2021/04/02/vermont-is-prioritizing-bipoc-households-for-vaccines-thats-almost-certainly-unconstitutional/%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2QvirDfjlBAZuOuO3uNJrn9R0CUEH4tVARDlS7tGNIvtYZLWcBgn-GwTk%26amp
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 03, 2021, 01:59:54 PM
White people, get to the back of the vaccine bus!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com/2021/04/02/vermont-is-prioritizing-bipoc-households-for-vaccines-thats-almost-certainly-unconstitutional/%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2QvirDfjlBAZuOuO3uNJrn9R0CUEH4tVARDlS7tGNIvtYZLWcBgn-GwTk%26amp
There have been more well-off p...sorry, I mean white people vaccinated so far in Vermont than people of color, so this is primarily to redress that inequality, since people of color are still twice as likely to end up in hospital if infected. By opening up vaccination eligibility for them, they hope to achieve community immunity as quickly as possible, in order to better protect the most vulnerable, including among those who, for one reason or another, are less likely to go for vaccination themselves. Any white people in any kind of risk category by age, or by occupation or comorbidity regardless of age, are also eligible for vaccination. But yeah, poor white people :'( :'( :'(
Incidentally, how do y'all get so much "poor white people" style news? Is it through a specific mailing list? Or is there some kind of customizable app that allows anyone to feed their own personal fantastical persecution complex??
It's unconstitutional.
The only proviso is identifying as any group except white, so your point is null.
I can almost guarantee you, and even the writer for that bog roll media site put conditional disclaimers all over the place, that it's not unconstitutional, in the context of a health crisis that has to be dealt with at a population and not an individual level.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 03, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
I can almost guarantee you, and even the writer for that bog roll media site put conditional disclaimers all over the place, that it's not unconstitutional, in the context of a health crisis that has to be dealt with at a population and not an individual level.
Jaysus you can rarely see the wood from the trees. You are so indoctrinated, it's like interacting with a robot.
Better Cops....
https://youtu.be/beZ5w0wCGyM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 03, 2021, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 03, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
I can almost guarantee you, and even the writer for that bog roll media site put conditional disclaimers all over the place, that it's not unconstitutional, in the context of a health crisis that has to be dealt with at a population and not an individual level.
Jaysus you can rarely see the wood from the trees. You are so indoctrinated, it's like interacting with a robot.
From the article:
QuoteThat's Almost Certainly Unconstitutional.
Quotearbitrary, likely unconstitutional categories
In other words, it's almost certainly
not unconstitutional in the context of the health crisis, but they're watching their own editorial backs while relying on the type of person who reads their rag to gloss over the qualifiers. Oh look, you did.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 03, 2021, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 03, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
I can almost guarantee you, and even the writer for that bog roll media site put conditional disclaimers all over the place, that it's not unconstitutional, in the context of a health crisis that has to be dealt with at a population and not an individual level.
Jaysus you can rarely see the wood from the trees. You are so indoctrinated, it's like interacting with a robot.
Pretty much everything he said seemed rational and likely.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/vermont-vaccines-bipoc-people-front-line-opinion-2021-4%3famp
Yeah I read that one too.
It's contradicted by other articles that appeared on the first page of your google search.
QuoteWith a population of only 630,000 people, 94% of whom are white, there are only about 36,000 BIPOC people in Vermont.
Wow, didn't know that about Vermont. It really is going to make fuck all difference to the vaccine wait time for the average under 50, non-comorbid, non-occupational health risk white person then, isn't it? It's not like they were all going to get vaccinated within the next two weeks were it not for that pesky 5% non-white section of the population who are up first! And, in any case (where are you astfgyl?? this is your time to shine!!), the personal risk for anyone under 50 with no comorbidities is (c'mon astfgyl, where are you??), well, it's extremely fucking low is what I'm getting at, and any white people with comorbidities or an essential worker can already get vaccinated. If uptake among at risk BIPOC individuals in Vermont is low (which it is, very), then the best strategy to adopt to protect that community is to open it up to everyone and hope that you get high enough herd immunity numbers that way.
You are missing the point entirely.
It's a proposal to roll out healthcare based on race, which is a dangerous, ridiculous precedent to set.
You're assuming that I gloss over things, which is a projection of your own legion of missteps which litter this board.
Read the 14th amendment and the civil rights act, make up your own mind (if you can).
A pandemic calls for population level not individual level strategy. A pandemic calls for population level not individual level strategy. A pandemic calls for population level not individual level strategy. A pandemic calls for population level not individual level strategy.
The 14th amendment ain't got shit to do with this unless you don't get the above. All at-risk populations are being targeted, by whatever means deemed necessary. Not at-risk populations therefore have a civic duty to try to understand this broader interest and not be precious little bitches. That's all straight out of my own mind.
Previous little bitches. For pointing out that one jumps to the front of the queue by simply IDENTIFYING as any kind of person other than a white person. Anything. You see no issue with that?
But sure it's just to flatten the curve! Nothing to see here!
As Stone Cold used to say, 'Jesus Christ son'.
It's a vaccination strategy Kev, not the line for free ice creams ffs
Wait, so what you're saying is they put the vaccine in the ice cream? If course! It's so simple!
On the chocolate ice cream.
No jogging for you today lad.
It's all I have left!
Here, have a sip of this....
Maybe Chris, myself, yourself, Ollkiller etc should do a series of call out videos like the travellers, and settle our differences in the ring for charity.
As long as it doesn't go to BLM of course.
C'mon Chris, it's my chance to learn how to edit videos and your chance to literally SMASH THE FASH!
I'm in.
Training starts now!
*heads to fridge*
Get those protein shakes rollin':)
I don't particularly like the idea of the vaccine passport, but some of my boys losing their minds over it on YouTube is a bit embarrassing. As long as they agree to scrap the fucker once we are in a post Covid situation and don't start facial scanning or other unnecessary shite, I'd say grin and bear it. Nobody outside of the young communist militants in the sociology department are going to tolerate anything like the ridiculous system over in China.
Or have they been putting SOMA into my Barry's tea bags?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 06, 2021, 08:34:31 PMAs long as they agree to scrap the fucker once we are in a post Covid situation
Stggly posted a video on the coronavirus thread about a week ago which explained the new legisislation regarding the vaccine passports, and
if I remember correctly, it goes along the lines of: the WHO can declare a pandemic whenever it seems fitting to do so, and that means that another vaccine will have to be added to your passport.
That doesn't sound like they're in too much of a hurry to scrap it :-\
That's the worry, digital ID card by stealth.
That system in China is very dystopian sounding and probably will become a global thing in years to come. We will all be catalogued and filed away. Maybe I'm being pessimistic?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 06, 2021, 08:34:31 PM
I don't particularly like the idea of the vaccine passport, but some of my boys losing their minds over it on YouTube is a bit embarrassing. As long as they agree to scrap the fucker once we are in a post Covid situation and don't start facial scanning or other unnecessary shite, I'd say grin and bear it. Nobody outside of the young communist militants in the sociology department are going to tolerate anything like the ridiculous system over in China.
Or have they been putting SOMA into my Barry's tea bags?
They are losing their shit for good reason. It's bad enough having to have the whole social credit thing but the real kick in the teeth is having to get jabbed with shit into the bargain. Welcome to fuckin Dystopia. There will be no scrapping any of this no matter what. Why do you think the variants are being pushed already. No good jabbing you the once and that being the end of it. Just wait then until your income is tied to your social credit score and cash is a thing of the past. Florida is the test case for having none of this shit since last August, have a look at what happens without restrictions and jab passports.
And keeping it on topic, the reason this is all allowed to happen is because both the spectre of social responsibility and lockdowns to save granny are both "woke" and there are lefties the world over begging for it and the SJW idiots have been convinced that the ultimate social justice is to sacrifice your life to keep granny alive, albeit in some form of stasis locked in a nursing home and don't worry about the fact that she died of something else in the meantime while waiting for emancipation; at least it wasn't the bould covid.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 07, 2021, 12:08:33 PM
Why do you think the variants are being pushed already.
I just presumed they had really good agents!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 07, 2021, 12:12:24 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on April 07, 2021, 12:08:33 PM
Why do you think the variants are being pushed already.
I just presumed they had really good agents!
Yes, they are well ahead of the (flattened) curve!!
8)
Hank Azaria apologises for voicing Apu.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56731420
What a fucking pansy.
I don't know who is worse, this gimp for apologising, or the handicapped cunts who made an issue out of it in the first place. To the gulag with the whole lot of them.
Maybe we could get them to stop the lazy Irish stereotypes modern simpsons episodes seem to enjoy portraying.
Maybe he should also apologise for twenty years of shitty Simpsons episodes too
Bit of a joke really. Every character in The Simpsons is a stereotype of some description.
The vocal minority win again.
I wouldn't be so sure in this case. I think there may well be more people at this stage who want him to stop voicing Apu than there are people who still actually care about anything that happens with new or future episodes of The Simpsons.
This whole racism victim complex thing needs to stop. It's about time somebody just came up with some sort of final solution for the racially aggrieved and stuck to it.
Yeah, all this nonsense needs to be gassed.
The band Tuol Sleng have been targeted by American Cambodians who are offended by the bands name, which is a Cambodian death camp, and use of the artwork of one of its survivors as their album cover. Petition started as well as the Bandcamp being hacked and subsequently removed. A source called Asian News posted a pic of the band conveniently missing their black singer in an attempt to tar them as a pack of white racists. Pathetic. Great promo for a demo band though. haha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCgSICrlJaQ
https://scontent.fper5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/172715501_288221299544261_2594129818106777074_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=GCEgxJDH_r0AX9PC7JQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fper5-1.fna&oh=42f2551c00177fe529bde63ce2ce668c&oe=6098AF85
https://i.imgur.com/vgbp6Oe.jpg
Yep. I never heard of them until this drama kicked off.
I hear they're phnompenhal!
I can't imagine that they are losing much of their fan base, potential or current, by any of this.
The band VietCong changed their name to Preoccupations a few years back. Truly uninspired choice but that is slightly more understandable as they were a pretty big and fairly mainstream band.
Blacks are twice as likely to be shot by the police than whites in the USA, I read yesterday, but 100% of the outrage is for the former. Are police killings only wrong when the melanin count surpasses a certain threshold?
Asians aren't taking their fair share of bullets. They should *ideally* be at the mid- point between black and white but they just aren't pulling their weight.
American universities actively discriminate against them for having marks that are unacceptably high.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 14, 2021, 04:45:49 PM
Asians aren't taking their fair share of bullets. They should *ideally* be at the mid- point between black and white but they just aren't pulling their weight.
You're getting mixed up with Latinos. Asians just dodge bullets, Matrix style.
Robert Webb has pissed off the trannies it seems. Best if you're cis, not to get involved with them lot.
Surprised to hear that, I read his autobiography and he's not far off a wokeajahadín.
It was a podcast interviewer asking Webb about something he retweeted in 2018. Owen Jones decided to tweet that Webb had "crumbled" under pressure, when actually he just politely declined to go too far into the subject, having in the interim decided/realized that it's a subject become impossible to discuss reasonably.
Here's a hypothetical question. The BBC has a policy on panel shows that they have to have at least one woman on it (or a non all male panel).
What if Eddie Izzard is on it? Does that cover the female quota cause Eddie wants to be a she now?
The whole trans thing is confusing (although not as confusing as those who must be living it) and I feel if even asking questions I'm probably coming across as bigoted epically when I think the answer they give doesn't make sense or I don't agree.
Is a simple as this; if you find it confusing, then you're a transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic Islamophobe. What's there not to understand?
Am I racist though?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 15, 2021, 01:23:30 PM
Robert Webb has pissed off the trannies
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 15, 2021, 06:27:03 PM
The whole trans thing is confusing (although not as confusing as those who must be living it) and I feel if even asking questions I'm probably coming across as bigoted
Indeed, what is there not to understand?
I heard the Gadsaad or whatever his name is say 'the left denies gender science and the right denies climate change science'.
A lot of retardation and the common sense block outside of it seem to be drowned out.
What does the Far Right deny? Even more climate change science? Does the Far Left think transgender people were born as the gender they have transitioned to?
More at 11.
Down with that sort of thing
Heard on the radio today that Mattel, the makers of scrabble, are to ban the use of 400 words that they have deemed to be offensive, much to the annoyance of scrabble fanatics.
The list hasn't been made public yet but when it is I can only assume that much hilarity will ensue.
Time to buy 100s of scrabble boards before the woke version comes out. This could be the greatest investment since flappy bird.
Surely there's nothing to stop you using rude words...or is this a late April fools?
No April fools man, deadly serious.
These words will be removed from the official scrabble dictionary (which I think is printed by Collins in association with Mattel) and as such cannot be used in scrabble tournaments or by people at home who play by the rules, the relevant rule being that if a word is not in the official dictionary, that word is not permitted.
Meanwhile by the way, last year the word "ze" was deemed acceptable for use in scrabble by the Mattel wokery.
It is described as a non-binary pronoun which can mean either he or she, as in, ze went to the shop.
I shit you not.
"Mattel has refused to publish the list but the official word checker shows that the banned terms include epithets against black, Pakistani and Irish people."
Well, now I'm curious.
Has anyone uploaded the original scrabble word list to Pirate bay yet?
If you ever get a Q in Scrabble, then QI is a proper word. Easy 9 points at least.
500 words eh? Didn't realize there would be so many.
I think it's a great thing that they are banning words, there are too many "colourful" words anyway and it's very distracting. I think they should just outright ban words altogether, as showcasing your ability to speak words could cause offense to somebody who can't speak - especially to somebody who doesn't even exist.
I look forward to a grey future.
No colours.
No tastes.
No words.
No emotion.
Just grey.
https://7news.com.au/entertainment/games/scrabble-bans-long-list-of-words-players-are-no-longer-allowed-to-use--c-2593627
You got to have a set of balls to use the n word in a tournament. You could always use ginger which is an annogram of it.
Reminded me of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of6a394_Owg
If anyone called me a fenian, I'd give the only response possible; "And proud of it, tan!"
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 16, 2021, 11:54:39 AM
If anyone called me a fenian, I'd give the only response possible; "And proud of it, tan!"
I don't think you're in any immediate danger, not with that accent.
:laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 16, 2021, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 16, 2021, 11:54:39 AM
If anyone called me a fenian, I'd give the only response possible; "And proud of it, tan!"
I don't think you're in any immediate danger, not with that accent.
:laugh:
Éist do bhéal tusa! :abbath:
Ah still, it was funny!
Surprised this hasn't been posted here yet, gender expression and identity is now a protected characteristic under the hate crime law...how exactly do you make a hate crime law based around something someone 'feels' about themselves? It's totally up for interpretation.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/new-hate-crime-laws-to-cover-gender-expression-and-identity-1.4538795
QuoteUnder the criteria, which are designed to ensure "giving offence" is not criminalised, a conviction could only be arrived at if it was found a suspect deliberately acted to incite hatred, or at least felt it was likely they would incite hatred and decided to persist with their actions anyway.
The new hate-based offences include assault, coercion, harassment, criminal damage, threats to kill or cause serious harm and endangerment. If the hate-based element is proven, the sentence can be double that given for the same offence without a hate component.
Not following what's the bit that's "totally up for interpretation" here. If you assault someone because you don't agree with them identifying as X, i.e. if that is the reason for your assault, then it can now compound your basic assault charge. The general life law of "don't be a dick" should protect most normal folk from these changes to the law.
The part that's 'up for interpretation' is their gender identity, they might identify themselves as a certain gender but other people might not.
It's not just assaulting someone, it's 'inciting hate online'.
The point is if they're now recognising something as vague as gender identity as legitimate a characteristic as someone's race where does it end, will it soon be illegal not to recognise someone as the gender they think they are?
That whole alphabet brigade thing has gotten so ridiculous that the easiest way around it all is just to ignore its being a thing at all. I'll be leaving it to the folks who actually give a fuck about gender identity and best of luck to them, but personally I'm out and neither support nor oppose any of it. It just got too ridiculous like so many other well intentioned ideas
Ah yeah, it's complete fucking horseshit. Ignore!
I think they've even added numbers to some abbreviations to the lbgt handle.
Governments and the press are falling over themselves to keep up appearances, I doubt very many of them give a shit about it either. Most people outside the totally indoctrinated can see that the nonsense and hysteria, and, frankly, dumb arguments spewing out of the left about gender identity for what it is.
Just like Crowder and these lads trying to make out that climate change is just 'cyclical', more complete bullshit.
Maybe Chris' crowd had the right idea with Gulags. Ten years for talking shit.
That would make a man of any woman.
Out of interest is it more man to woman or vice versa?
There was a trans person in my first year of college, born female but living as a male, he was a bit odd but harmless enough, although because he just looked like a girl with short hair and didn't tell anyone it just led to some confusion regarding pronouns.
TBH, I'll call a person what they like, but a large part of the trans activism community just seem batshit insane and a lot of them aren't even trans people themselves, it's all these mental cases who live on twitter who have social media bios like 'she/they, BLM, ACAB, communist, onlyfans' :laugh:.
I would imagine level headed trans people are probably mortified by the behaviour of these lunatics.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 16, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
That would make a man of any woman.
They don't call it the Trans-Siberian Railway for nothing :abbath:
:laugh:
Choo-Choo.... :laugh:
Quote from: ldj on April 16, 2021, 06:52:12 PM
There was a trans person in my first year of college, born female but living as a male, he was a bit odd but harmless enough, although because he just looked like a girl with short hair and didn't tell anyone it just led to some confusion regarding pronouns.
TBH, I'll call a person what they like, but a large part of the trans activism community just seem batshit insane and a lot of them aren't even trans people themselves, it's all these mental cases who live on twitter who have social media bios like 'she/they, BLM, ACAB, communist, onlyfans' :laugh:.
We have a male to female transexual at work. In fairness he just does his work and doesn't seem to be out to start a political campaign. I just stick to the name whenever I'm talking to him. Fucked if I'm bothering with all that pronoun nonsense.
Pics?
Worked with a female to male recently (who had a boyfriend for added confusion!). He is dead sound and doesn't go on about it at all. I think the people going on about it are the usual gimps who can't breathe without banging on about whatever cause is currently en vogue. Boring cunts I think is the term.
Quote from: hellfire on April 16, 2021, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: ldj on April 16, 2021, 06:52:12 PM
There was a trans person in my first year of college, born female but living as a male, he was a bit odd but harmless enough, although because he just looked like a girl with short hair and didn't tell anyone it just led to some confusion regarding pronouns.
TBH, I'll call a person what they like, but a large part of the trans activism community just seem batshit insane and a lot of them aren't even trans people themselves, it's all these mental cases who live on twitter who have social media bios like 'she/they, BLM, ACAB, communist, onlyfans' :laugh:.
We have a male to female transexual at work. In fairness he just does his work and doesn't seem to be out to start a political campaign. I just stick to the name whenever I'm talking to him. Fucked if I'm bothering with all that pronoun nonsense.
Shouldn't that be She now they're a female? I imagine you'd be taken to the cleaners if you got that wrong.
Quote from: hellfire on April 16, 2021, 08:59:42 PM
Fucked if I'm bothering with all that pronoun nonsense.
Most people, myself, the 'Mexican Führer' included (the bird got a good chuckle out of that, nice one Andy) with a commission in Waffen SS Das Reich battle group, have no issue whatsoever in treating transsexuals with respect on an individual level.
The problem is the self appointed representatives and advocacy groups pushing all the science and reality denial and martyrdom have everyone walking on eggshells around the issue. The pronoun bullshit backed up by legislation and the threat of expulsion from social media etc is going to have the opposite of the intended effect.
If a man wants to act like he's a woman or vice versa, fire away. Society shouldn't have to bend over backwards to amend the English language and pretend to believe in the trans-doctrine simply to avoid hassle.
If it's got a dick, it's not a chick.
If it's got a pussy, I might not be too fussy!
I do wonder how many of the people screaming Trans women are real women would actually date a trans woman who still had her Wang.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 17, 2021, 09:53:19 AM
I do wonder how many of the people screaming Trans women are real women would actually date a trans woman who still had her Wang.
Shemale porn is very popular.
A lot of the madness is built up reaction to people having been dicks for the longest time about refusing, in the simplest scenario on the spectrum, to call a man living as a woman "she", or a woman living as a man "he", long before all the rest of the pronouns rolled in. Live and let live is a two way street, so I guess it's good to have living, breathing examples of bull-headed contrarianism on view, so that the relevance is still blatantly visible and can't be fobbed off as, "That changed ages ago, why are they still going on about it!?"
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 17, 2021, 09:53:19 AM
I do wonder how many of the people screaming Trans women are real women would actually date a trans woman who still had her Wang.
If they were simply real women, they wouldn't be partaking of the alphabet soup and we wouldn't be hearing about how we need to accept them for what they are.
They'd all be killed if they were simply accepted as being the sex they have transitioned to anyway. Where'd be the acronym and associated lifestyle in that?
Imagine it... "no, you're a woman now, end of, so fuck up going on about what you used to be". Like one of those gimps in the pub who bangs on about getting trials with Everton as a kid and they could have been this that or the other but now they are in the community employment with a history of drugs and mental issues and nobody would truly care or even judge them, if only they would fuck up about it.
Anyway, live and let live and I will call you whatever you want but unless you have something other than how you define yourself as a personality to speak of, it just throws you into the boring shite category and I can't be arsed.
Same shit with the racial crowd. Be any colour you like, just fuck up about it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 17, 2021, 11:09:17 AM
A lot of the madness is built up reaction to people having been dicks for the longest time about refusing, in the simplest scenario on the spectrum, to call a man living as a woman "she", or a woman living as a man "he", long before all the rest of the pronouns rolled in. Live and let live is a two way street, so I guess it's good to have living, breathing examples of bull-headed contrarianism on view, so that the relevance is still blatantly visible and can't be fobbed off as, "That changed ages ago, why are they still going on about it!?"
So 'yer one' in Edinburgh Airport a couple of years ago who wrapped up my two bottles of Ardbeg probably didn't appreciate it when I turned away and said "Thanks pal" after I paid her?
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 17, 2021, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 17, 2021, 11:09:17 AM
A lot of the madness is built up reaction to people having been dicks for the longest time about refusing, in the simplest scenario on the spectrum, to call a man living as a woman "she", or a woman living as a man "he", long before all the rest of the pronouns rolled in. Live and let live is a two way street, so I guess it's good to have living, breathing examples of bull-headed contrarianism on view, so that the relevance is still blatantly visible and can't be fobbed off as, "That changed ages ago, why are they still going on about it!?"
So 'yer one' in Edinburgh Airport duty free a couple of years ago who wrapped up my two bottles of Ardbeg probably didn't appreciate it when I turned away and said "Thanks pal" after I paid her?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 17, 2021, 11:09:17 AM
A lot of the madness is built up reaction to people having been dicks for the longest time about refusing, in the simplest scenario on the spectrum, to call a man living as a woman "she", or a woman living as a man "he", long before all the rest of the pronouns rolled in. Live and let live is a two way street, so I guess it's good to have living, breathing examples of bull-headed contrarianism on view, so that the relevance is still blatantly visible and can't be fobbed off as, "That changed ages ago, why are they still going on about it!?"
It comes down to whether you value truth or polite untruth more highly.
You're working in science, a man is a man down to his bones and his brain chemistry. He's got the XY. Even mickey removal and hormones can't change the fundamentals. I'd personally probably just say she to avoid hassle and tears, but it's bullshit, polite bullshit I'll grant you, to call a man 'she', no matter how many lines of oestrogen he sorts of a morning.
I'm working in brain chemistry, to be precise, and how that relates to behavior. And what you're saying only holds up within a very naive conception of both neurobiology and language. It's not at all a question of truth versus polite untruth, it's a question of science not having as many answers as would convenience certain people. We have no reason to believe that gender dysphoria, while probably influenced - as with addiction, schizophrenia, dementia, etc. - by environmental factors, doesn't also have a genuine neurobiological underpinning. So, imagine if someone's nervous system is genuinely making them feel like they belong to another gender (a simplistic analogy to phantom limb syndrome may help the imagination along), at a genuine neurophysiological level, is it merely a polite untruth to refer to them as he or she upon their request and based on how they dress, etc.? Folk used to think schizophrenia was demon possession!
Quote from: lifeeternal on April 17, 2021, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 17, 2021, 09:53:19 AM
I do wonder how many of the people screaming Trans women are real women would actually date a trans woman who still had her Wang.
Shemale porn is very popular.
Something you want to tell us...
We have no reason not to believe wouldn't hold up in court, I'd imagine.
So yes, I do believe it's untruth, because even if it is at a neurobiological level (I haven't seem any evidence that it is), it's still a fallacy on a physiological level. A woman is a woman is a woman is a woman. I mentioned that I wouldn't be overly bothered in saying 'she' to a transsexual person if they asked me to do so, but no further than that.
Pretending that the huge Shrek looking brute playing Olympic handball for Australia and pummelling the poor girls on the other teams isn't a man? Bend the language into nonsensically stupid knots at the barrel of a gun? No, thank you.
I don't think you're looking too far down the road with where this is going, or maybe you are and you're ok with it, but I've a feeling it's partly because you are loathe to give Dr Peterson any kind of validation whatsoever.
Peterson has nothing to do with a genuinely scientific analysis of the question. The point I was making is that, personally, I think a lot of the overboard element we're now faced with, as illustrated by the Webb anecdote there, is because of people being dicks for the longest time about something that was relatively easy to do; let a man live as a woman if that's how she feels, and refer to her accordingly. Were it not for the kind of people who just decades ago insisted God had created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve and that mental illness was the work of demons (not that these people have altogether disappeared), were it not for them with their dogmatic attachment to a biblical view of what is "natural" and what is "sinful", then live and let live, rather than live and damn to hell, would have been a lot easier for everyone to just get along with. In short, I think as a society we have the LGBTQ+ furore that we deserve.
Echos of that are sounding by BLM maniacs saying that they support the looting because they are 'owed' a colossal debt by society.
Sorry, you're not owed anything for simply existing.
I didn't say anything about being owed. Are black communities owed something? It could be debated. Do Nike as a moral entity deserve to have their shops looted? Absolutely.
What is owed and what is deserved are not the same thing. I don't deserve not to be able to have reasonable conversations about gender and sexuality, but as a society I do believe we deserve the attack we're under. We laid the groundwork for it with myth and fantasy, and now some of the same interested parties are calling upon science as defense. It is absurd and hilarious. Welcome to humanity!
Why are we conflating the institutional demonising of homosexuals in the past with fanatical trans activism in 2021?
In fact, I don't see why non-heterosexual groups are thrown in with sufferers of gender dysphoria at all.
LGB. Fine. Work away. Nobody cares, apart from the Muslims. Maybe you're best off not making a song and dance about it in Poland or Russia, but I doubt a single user of this board gives a solitary shite if homosexuals blast each other up the arse or not.
Trannies bashing girls in octagons and Aussie rules and their advocates turning into the NKVD and compelling speech and pretending to believe non-science is another kettle of fish entirely.
If 'black communities' (whatever that means) are owed reparations, what about me? That's a serious question.
Ah yes, you're right, they demonized homosexuals but were totally grand with transsexuals, my bad.
Maybe, but why are you lumping them in together?
All so many individuals the conservative right saw as unnatural sinners, vessels for the devil's work. And I'm talking as much about the evangelical movement in the US, still hugely powerful, as I am about a waning Catholic church in Europe.
You're not answering questions so much as making clear your position.
But surely if the Reichsführer SS can admit that the rights view on climate change are embarrassing, you might let the mask slip n'all a bit.
Yeah, but just as I think parroted and exaggerated appeals to the authority of science are counter-productive to altering views on climate change, so I think parroted and exaggerated appeals to a folk vision of science are counter-productive to calming the discourse around gender and sexuality and their place in society, education, etc. You didn't seem to get my point about the neurobiology of dysphoria; of course you haven't seen any evidence for it, because as a discipline, as far as I know, neurobiology has thusfar nothing to say about it, other than that it is a hypothetical possibility. E.g. exactly where addiction neurobiology was a couple of decades ago. Now the science shows that certain individuals have a latent proclivity to becoming addicts, and we know where that most likely happens and what kind of brain-environment circumstances are most likely to favour it. For example, alcohol gains in addictive potential when taken as a stress-reliever, because stress dysregulates the reward system. So, like I said, there is absolutely no reason to believe that gender dysphoria, and various other conditions, don't also have solidly biological underpinnings which we just haven't been able to study in-depth yet, both because it's a new question, and also because, unlike addiction, it would be almost impossible to model in animals in order to invasively analyze and alter brain activity.
Okay, blah blah blah maybe, but that's how real science works, and if you think that you or anyone you're echoing, by "addressing" the issue with talk like "a woman is a woman is a woman" or "it's still fact on a physiological level," are doing any actual good, then maybe we should chuck twenty years of addiction science too and go back to telling all the filthy winos and junkies to just sort their lives out. I think by not taking the neurobiology of (wait for it!) people's lived experiences seriously enough, we have only ever done a disservice by trying to shoehorn reality into our folk understandings. It could well be that many men who feel like women and women who feel like men have as much control over it as a sufferer of Parkinson's has over their trembling (that's also all in the brain) or an Alzheimer's patient over what they can or can't remember when they attempt to recall experiences. "You're a man, stop asking me to refer to you as she!" might then be as thick-headed a thing to say as "You're a man, stop shaking around like that!" Do you know? No, you don't, and neither does science, but that's the gist of the subjective reports, and that's a good enough starting point for taking it seriously, scientifically speaking.
I've actually been to the future and I've seen how this all plays out. I don't want to give anything away so all I'll say is, you're all going to be pleasantly surprised. Well, maybe not you, Chris, but everyone else. Pleasantly surprised indeed!
What happens to us in the future? What, do we become assholes or something?
We evolve into a species where every individual has both sets of genitalia, fully functional.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 17, 2021, 09:51:53 PM
I've actually been to the future and I've seen how this all plays out. I don't want to give anything away so all I'll say is, you're all going to be pleasantly surprised. Well, maybe not you, Chris, but everyone else. Pleasantly surprised indeed!
:laugh: :laugh: :abbath:
Me and you in the ring Chris.
Nothing personal.
Why is nobody onto the trannies and homos ONGs to make it impossible for him to get out of?
Kurt and Blackout vs Giggles and Juggz in an 'she's not a he' I quit match.
I'm chomping at the bit here.
A friend of mine works for Pietà House.
Iván Drago (me) vs 'Rocky' (road to Dublin)
Headgear
After I'm finished with the communists I'm calling out Pedrito and Open Face Surgery.
Ye are good, but I'm better.
Chris, if you ever meet me in the ring,and on the unlikely event that you win, illl agree with you.
You're main problem is that I will beat you to within an inch of your life on side of the ring
I am calllimg you out Chris
Looks like a tequila genocide.
Impressive you held on to the same train of thought for about six hours Kev! :laugh:
Das Méxican führer, he be's angwee... :laugh:
Let's do it for the laugh
If it's got a dick, it ain't a chick...
https://www.newsweek.com/im-nevadas-first-transgender-beauty-pageant-winner-1578389
Hardly surprising if the competition was held in such low resolution conditions!
They sure don't make 'em like they used to.
Crackin tune.....
(https://i.imgur.com/ZyDfa5V.jpg)
I'd certainly have a go at it, as long as she leaves her balls in her knickers
Yep, I'd definitely take it from behind.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 18, 2021, 01:26:08 PM
Yep, I'd definitely take it from behind.
For the manicured hands and nails on your back? :) :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 17, 2021, 01:59:33 PM
I'm working in brain chemistry, to be precise, and how that relates to behavior. And what you're saying only holds up within a very naive conception of both neurobiology and language. It's not at all a question of truth versus polite untruth, it's a question of science not having as many answers as would convenience certain people. We have no reason to believe that gender dysphoria, while probably influenced - as with addiction, schizophrenia, dementia, etc. - by environmental factors, doesn't also have a genuine neurobiological underpinning. So, imagine if someone's nervous system is genuinely making them feel like they belong to another gender (a simplistic analogy to phantom limb syndrome may help the imagination along), at a genuine neurophysiological level, is it merely a polite untruth to refer to them as he or she upon their request and based on how they dress, etc.? Folk used to think schizophrenia was demon possession!
I know a lad who has schizophrenia. A truly awful condition to say the least. He has delusions that various state and terrorist bodies are after him. At no point has anyone ever agreed with him and said "fuckin hell Chris that is actually ISIS outside the window". This is the only dillusion in the DSM that people are expected to play along with. Imagine telling anorexics the they are fat, OCD sufferers the their living space is contaminated......
Gender dysphoria isn't classified as a delusion, neither in the current DSM-V nor in the previous DSM-IV, before it was given its own subsection. It's almost like it's not the same as anorexia or schizophrenia.
Funnily enough, although it still remains no more than a simplistic analogy by any account, the most common cognitive treatment for phantom limb syndrome actually does consist in leaning into the illusion and giving the subject the impression that they do actually physically possess the limb they sense. Complex aul thing the brain, even more so the mind!
Wait, they're all coming to me now; multiple personality disorder too, one of the newer more effective treatments leads the subject to engage with their multiple personalities, distinguish them even more by giving them different voices, etc., and embracing them as part of their mental life rather than resisting or trying to silence them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 18, 2021, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 18, 2021, 01:26:08 PM
Yep, I'd definitely take it from behind.
For the manicured hands and nails on your back? :) :abbath:
Rrrrraaaaaarrrrrrrr..... ::)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 18, 2021, 03:33:46 PM
Gender dysphoria isn't classified as a delusion, neither in the current DSM-V nor in the previous DSM-IV, before it was given its own subsection. It's almost like it's not the same as anorexia or schizophrenia.
"Gender dysphoria is a diagnosis listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association to diagnose mental conditions. This term is intended to be more descriptive than the one that was previously used, gender identity disorder. The term gender dysphoria focuses on one's discomfort as the problem, rather than identity. A diagnosis for gender dysphoria was created to help people get access to necessary health care and effective treatment."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255 (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255)
My girlfriend has a hard copy of the DSM 5. I'm looking at the entry right now.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/delusion (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/delusion)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 18, 2021, 03:51:57 PM
Wait, they're all coming to me now; multiple personality disorder too, one of the newer more effective treatments leads the subject to engage with their multiple personalities, distinguish them even more by giving them different voices, etc., and embracing them as part of their mental life rather than resisting or trying to silence them.
You'd know plenty about multiple personalities. What do yo call someone who is immediately qualified to speak on everything that comes up on a metal forum? I know in a pub it's referred to as a bullshitter.
CBT also involves examining ones thought process. I believe the treatment you're referring to helps the sufferer stop feeling shame over what they can't change. It does not in any way encourage them to develop new personalities (don't think they can).
I said it isn't classed as a delusion, thanks for the textual confirmation.
Believing something that is not real is a delusion. I included it at the end for you. Try to keep up.
Delusions are one of the clinical diagnosis criteria for, for example, schizophrenia, in the DSM. They are not for gender dysphoria, neither in the current nor precedent editions of the DSM, though you know better than them when it suits you, of course. In any case, that was what I stated, and it stands. Multiple personality disorder is also not classed as a form of delusion, since the personalities are experienced as equally real. My point since the beginning is that different neuropsychological conditions have different symptoms, different causes, different associated subjective experiences, and - necessarily as a result of the preceding - different treatments. My other point is that genuine science is not on hand to shore up anyone's folk prejudices about how biology, physiology, or life in general works.
It is a mental disorder. Mental disorders make people believe things that aren't true. You are trying to split hairs regarding phrasing. You are an expert on something different roughly every three to five days. I imagine you would love to be seen as a genuine scientist, that is definitely a delusion. I could claim to be a scientist too based on different pieces of paper I collected from colleges, doesn't make it so.
Quote from: hellfire on April 18, 2021, 06:33:31 PM
It is a mental disorder. Mental disorders make people believe things that aren't true. You are trying to split hairs regarding phrasing. You are an expert on something different roughly every three to five days. I imagine you would love to be seen as a genuine scientist, that is definitely a delusion. I could claim to be a scientist too based on different pieces of paper I collected from colleges, doesn't make it so.
You come across as a very petty and somewhat bitter man. If you must know, I've been employed as a researcher in a lab for almost six years now. Half the time I post on here, even earlier today, I'm waiting on rotations of experiments to finish up. Five minutes here, ten minutes there, too short to really get into anything substantial, over the space of several hours.
That aside, I'm not splitting hairs. I'm presenting things as "the science" presents them. Go ahead, you've already looked up the criteria for gender dysphoria in your girlfriend's hard copy of the DSM-V (I only have pdfs, sorry to disappoint), so why not look up the criteria for schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder too? Pay attention to the details; it's no accident that one mentions delusions and another doesn't. It's also no accident that you won't anywhere find in it the sentence "mental disorders make people believe things that aren't true." Someone's extended nervous system (central, peripheral, endocrine system, etc.) could make them feel like they shouldn't have the genitalia they physically possess. In what sense would you class that feeling as "not true"? Phantom limb patients experience genuine pain which they can localize to specific sub-regions of a limb that is not there. But the pain is real, can be monitored, can even be treated with pain killers. In what sense would you class that feeling as "not true"?
Phantom limb syndrome wouldn't be a thing if people who had it didn't feel a limb that wasn't there. Anorexia would not be a thing if people who were underweight didn't believe they were fat. Some cases of depression makes people believe themselves unwortu of life. None of this is true.
Science has many areas and you don't get to speak for all of it. I am qualified in computer science but know nothing of assembly language. I don't get to make staments as if I were. No consultant psychiatrist would talk in the absolutes that you do. You spray hysterical horseshit 90% of the time, twist and turn on words and basically keep going until the other person gets bored of you. You are a particular type of moron that believes it is always right.
Let's just remind ourselves that all of this is over you not wanting to say she instead of he. And I'm precisely not speaking in absolutes; you're doing that. I'm speaking in hypotheticals and stating what it is that science can't (yet) state, but which people with folk visions of neurophysiology desperately want it to. Sorry, ain't how it works.
This is more about me believing that being in the wrong body is a mental disorder that should be treated accordingly. If science can't yet state it then don't present it as science. Get back to running those stool samples.
The fitting treatment being what?
Treated within the realms of mental disorders and not with amputations, augmentations and hormones. I think you copped that but intentionally misunderstood.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 18, 2021, 03:50:01 PM
Funnily enough, although it still remains no more than a simplistic analogy by any account, the most common cognitive treatment for phantom limb syndrome actually does consist in leaning into the illusion and giving the subject the impression that they do actually physically possess the limb they sense. Complex aul thing the brain, even more so the mind!
Is there any case of a man having his penis removed because he thought he was a woman , who then developed phantom penis syndrome following the amputation, only to be told the best treatment for his syndrome was to pretend he still had a penis, rendering the amputation ultimately pointless?
Poor bastard.
Fuck it I'm going to weigh in...
I think it is probably a physical disorder, as in the brain of someone born a woman who thinks they are a man is probably wired up wrong and there isn't much that can be done about it. So in that sense it is a mental disorder but does anyone know if mental disorders are actually physical in nature? I dunno, but with so little of the actual workings of the brain actually understood at this point it can't be ruled out that it's physical, much like having a short leg or similar. I don't think gay people choose to be gay any more than I choose to be straight or can do any more about it than I can do about being left handed, so it must be physical at the root of it even while being understood as a mental disorder. Then there are the current cultural influences which seem to lead many people to believe that what is not right in how they feel is connected to being born the wrong sex, and the solution (transgenderism) is in vogue, whether it is in fact the actual solution or not. I would like to know how many people change sex only to find that they still don't feel like their problem is solved even with all of the cultural acceptance that it entails nowadays and they still feel like they don't belong. It won't be none, surely. I feel sorry for them and if calling them he instead of she makes them feel better, then so be it. Shouting from the rooftops about how I should understand or care for their plight leaves me somewhat unmoved all the same. Live and let live, take the yoke and we will all be fine in the end. The victim complex so prevalent in every walk of life these days is boring as fuck and prevents any actual progress in attitudes.
That brings me to another thought I was having lately regarding homosexuality. Can it be the case that someone is sexually attracted to the same sex, but for love and companionship still feel the need for the opposite sex (or the other way around)? Or does love simply boil down to sexual attraction at the end of it? Like can a fella want to have sex with his missus but end up unsatisfied because it is the companionship of another man which would truly fulfill him but he won't want to ride him? Bit tangential but sure the conversation and the subject are fucked as it is so why not?
On the last bit, Astfygl, sure thats the norm. The majority of men want to bang their wives out of sexual lust but its the friendships with male friends where they get their companionship. This craic of 'my wife is my best friend' is mainly Hollywood stuff.
In the immortal words of Right Said Fred, don't talk just kiss, let your tongue fool around.
I also think all these trans things, homosexuality etc are disorders. Mental or physical I don't know. But a disorder and a type of deviancy for sure. Some of these things are harmful, some not. Heterosexuals wanting to engage in anal sex with their partners are also deviants in my book. Along with the bdsm crowd and similar fetishists. Its relatively minor stuff. But is part of the same book of sexual mis-wiring that includes gays, trans and whatever else. Thankfully most cases are benign and your Jeffrey Dahmers are rare.
Quote from: Grim Reality on April 18, 2021, 10:51:47 PM
I also think all these trans things, homosexuality etc are disorders. Mental or physical I don't know. But a disorder and a type of deviancy for sure. Some of these things are harmful, some not. Heterosexuals wanting to engage in anal sex with their partners are also deviants in my book. Along with the bdsm crowd and similar fetishists. Its relatively minor stuff. But is part of the same book of sexual mis-wiring that includes gays, trans and whatever else. Thankfully most cases are benign and your Jeffrey Dahmers are rare.
Do you geniunely believe that the "order" of nature is supposed to "wire" everybody to only be attracted to the opposite sex?
Do you actually believe that?
What's the gist of that logic then? Gaia hates the gays?
Quote from: hellfire on April 18, 2021, 08:39:25 PM
Treated within the realms of mental disorders and not with amputations, augmentations and hormones. I think you copped that but intentionally misunderstood.
In cases where there's some kind of dysregulation of the endocrine system, treating it as a "mental" disorder will accomplish very little, if anything at all. Not an easy thing to detect or verify either.
As I said, we can hardly be surprised at how militant certain factions of the trans and allies community have become in trying to dictate to the rest of society when there is still a vocal, largely uninformed discourse pretending it knows best and that they're all just mental and should be treated accordingly.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 19, 2021, 07:54:16 AM
In cases where there's some kind of dysregulation of the endocrine system, treating it as a "mental" disorder will accomplish very little, if anything at all. Not an easy thing to detect or verify either.
I'm studying organic horticulture at the moment, and naturally that entails looking at the effects of pesticides. I've been looking at a couple of studies on Endocrine Disruptor Pesticides like the one here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3138025/
But I've very little knowledge on how the endocrine system works. However looking at the first one listed in Table 1 for example, the effects are stated as:
QuoteSynergistic androgenic effects when combined with testosterone.
While the study here states:
QuoteLikewise, there seems to be a growing concern with regards to the relationship between endocrine disruptors and transsexuals as well as other gender minority populations.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5825045/
Concluding that:
QuoteFurthermore, a working hypothesis exists with regards to possible association of endocrine disrupting chemicals and transgender identity or other gender-related issues.
From your own experience with the dysregulation of the endocrine system (I'm assuming you'd know more than me), do you think pesticides could contribute to this? It's
very Alex Jones though, considering the shit he got about the gay frogs thing a while back, but there does seem to be something to it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 19, 2021, 07:54:16 AM
Quote from: hellfire on April 18, 2021, 08:39:25 PM
Treated within the realms of mental disorders and not with amputations, augmentations and hormones. I think you copped that but intentionally misunderstood.
In cases where there's some kind of dysregulation of the endocrine system, treating it as a "mental" disorder will accomplish very little, if anything at all. Not an easy thing to detect or verify either.
Which cases? It's a possible avenue being explored. Nothing more.
Treating it as a "mental disorder" has also been explored in depth, over decades and decades, but it was found to be generally unresponsive to psychotherapy, as with homosexuality. So then, drugs? But if drugs, why not hormones?
I'm not suggesting all or even most cases of gender dysphoria are related to dysregulation of the endocrine system. I'm saying that the science is still out on the neurobiology of the condition, and as such no one can yet say what is definitely the best way of dealing with it. I'm personally skeptical of puberty blockers for young children, even more so of surgical intervention in minors, but I know that there is absolutely not a compelling body of evidence to state that treating it as a mental disorder is the "best" way to go, and if anything the evidence rather goes in the opposite direction. Besides which, I highly doubt your conclusion that it is a mental disorder is based on any kind of science, rather than on your own cultural prejudices, as evidenced by your refusal to "bother" with something as simple as referring to someone you are capable of recognizing lives as a woman by "she". You hardly lend credence to your medical opinion with an attitude like that.
As things currently stand there is no known biological cause for it. The causes of homosexuality are pretty poorly understood too. So what were you just bleating on about?
To sum up, you've decided it's a "mental problem" and you've moreover decided it's of the type of mental problem where resistance to (as per, you say, schizophrenia) as opposed to acceptance of (as per dissociative identity disorder, which your vision of it is surely closer to) the mental content is the solution. And all this is based on what? The great history of successes with treating gender dysphoria and homosexuality as mental disorders? Oh wait, that was a total failure, largely because it placed "morality" (read "sin") concerns above individual well-being concerns. Do you care about the individual well-being of the transsexual you work with? Because it is possible to call her she and still be skeptical about other manifestations of gender theory. It might even help us get somewhere!
You've been squaking on about it as if it had a physical cause for about three pages now. It does not in so far as anyone knows. There are many illness's that there is no effective treatment for. That doesn't mean you go making shit up. As I also said I use the name to avoid pronoun drama. Your shit talk about endocrine systems, central nervous systems and brain chemistry was designed to have people believe that the causes were physical. As usual you hammer a point until it is proven wrong and then start off on another bullshit tangent.
I'm a neuroscientist; I and the entire community I work with believe everything has, if not a physical cause, then at least a physical correlate.
Try to wait until your theories are supported by facts and evidence before your next outburst. Presenting things as science when they are untested hypotheses at best does nothing but discredit you as a scientist. The constant walls of nonsense you put on here "might be this" or "could be that" only serve to misdirect every conversation we have here. That's a tactic employed by liars and not scientists.
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2021, 01:47:50 PM
Try to wait until your theories are supported by facts and evidence before your next outburst. Presenting things as science when they are untested hypotheses at best does nothing but discredits you as a scientist. The constant walls of nonsense you put on here "might be this" or "could be that" only serve to misdirect every conversation we have here. That's a tactic employed by liars and not scientists.
Dude, you have asserted - with no evidence or facts whatsoever to back it up - that gender dysphoria is "only" a "mental disorder." I have put forward that, since everything else from depression to autism to dementia to schizophrenia and on and on, have been found to often have physical neurobiological underpinnings, we have no reason to believe that gender dysphoria also doesn't, and especially not just because we haven't found them yet. That means that, for the moment, neither you nor I can assert with confidence for or against. You are the one proclaiming with certainty. Can you perhaps give me an example of some other "mental disorder" that is "only" that and has no physical cause or underpinning?
You want a scientific post-it to help you in future?
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." There, stick it to your fridge. Do you have evidence of absence of physical causes of gender dysphoria? No, you do not. Is there evidence for genetic factors and endocrine dysregulation factors playing a causal role? A little so far, yes.
You don't get to dictate how people who have gender dysphoria should be treated because you have decided that they "just" have a mental problem, especially since without knowing - or caring for that matter - about the fundamental nature of the "mental" disorder (delusional? dissociative? other?), how would you know if you were applying the appropriate "mental" treatment? You wouldn't, and that is most likely why the history of treating it as "just something in the mind" has been a failure. A failure. It is
your theory that has no facts or evidence to back it up, other than a kind of folk idea that men are men and women are women, and anyone denying their own genital identity must therefore be mental. Great, thanks for the insight, I'm sure it will be of great clinical use.
Quote from: Grim Reality on April 18, 2021, 10:51:47 PM
I also think all these trans things, homosexuality etc are disorders. Mental or physical I don't know. But a disorder and a type of deviancy for sure.
Not getting I evolved in any trans debate. I'll call anyone whatever the fuck they want to be called. Dosent put me up or down.
But care to explain how homosexuality is deviant behaviour. How do you come to that realisation. Is it a religious mindset or some other view.
It's not deviance for the lads and lasses doing it! In fact I'd be surprised if it wasn't just the norm
Didn't we debate the gender dtsphoria entry in the DSM V and the previous entry of gender identity disorder in the DSM IV? Is that manual used by surgeons? I also have no compelling evidence that unicorns don't exist. They don't exist because there is no evidence that they do. It is currently treated as a mental issue. Perhaps in the future it will be treated as a physical issue, no reason to jump the gun by a couple of decades. There could be a different cause entirely.
You're really clinging to your original horseshit again. How sad. More misdirection and throwing shit at a wall hoping some will stick. Back to your stool samples kid. If you do a good job the scientists might let you play with the microscope one day.
Although I have never analyzed a single stool sample in my life, nor would I ever be brought to (although my work does involve a lot of rodent excrement as a bi-product), it's quite telling that you deem it to be some kind of "lower" scientific occupation. Huh-huh, poo, huh-huh!
The issue isn't so much that you presume it is only a mental disorder. The issue is that you believe the solution is persuading these people's "sick" minds that they are in fact men because they have a penis or are in fact women because they don't. That is the kind of therapy that has historically failed, over and over and over and over again, to the extent that it seems highly likely that it is missing something fundamental. What that is exactly, we don't know, but thankfully the focus of therapy is no longer moralistically hell bent on "curing" sinners, much to your chagrin apparently.
Do you have one of those little guillotines for the mice?
They disturb me
No, they're no longer ethically approved. CO2 or cervical dislocation.
I don't regard people with mental disorders as sick or disgusting people. They have actual illnesses that can be debilitating or even fatal. You keep trying to dress up your nonsense in science and it doesn't work. You have made every effort to insinuate that science is on your side when that is simply not the case. You then lambast people on here (not just in this thread) for ignoring scientific facts. If you are going to do that try to ensure that what you are saying is true and not just something that popped into your head that day. Try to preface things with "I think" or "it could possibly be".
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 19, 2021, 03:12:08 PM
No, they're no longer ethically approved. CO2 or cervical dislocation.
Ah fair enough. I saw them in a lab parts catalogue and they freaked me out big time. The little decapitation bags were equally spooky. I reckon even the mice would choose the CO2 at a push
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2021, 03:16:45 PM
I don't regard people with mental disorders as sick or disgusting people. They have actual illnesses that can be debilitating or even fatal. You keep trying to dress up your nonsense in science and it doesn't work. You have made every effort to insinuate that science is on your side when that is simply not the case. You then lambast people on here (not just in this thread) for ignoring scientific facts. If you are going to do that try to ensure that what you are saying is true and not just something that popped into your head that day. Try to preface things with "I think" or "it could possibly be".
Did I misunderstand that you think people with gender dysphoria are a) sick and that b) the only cure for their particular illness would boil down to somehow bringing their minds back into alignment with the physical genitalia they were born with?
In my opinion people with gender dysphoria are suffering from a psychiatric condition and it is barbaric to try to treat it with harsh surgical and hormonal treatments. The suicide and suicide ideation rates after these surgeries are alarmingly high. The current wave of operating on the mentally unwell will look as barbaric as those doctors who were performing random operations on psychiatric patients in the 60s.
You must understand it is hard to take seriously any supposed concern you claim to have for suicide rates, etc., among this population in a discussion which you entered by proudly "mis-gendering" a trans-woman and stating that you're "not bothered" with something which that community holds in high importance. Whatever about operations, which I agree should always be a last resort, I still see no reason - or evidence - to believe that, whatever the nature of the condition (psychological, physical, a mix of both most likely), the correct solution would be to rid an individual of the idea rather than help them to accept, assume, and live it, which can and often is done without surgery of any sort. Again, the real problem is that you, and many like you, seem certain (based on no evidence forthcoming) that what is best for these individuals is that they accept genital reality, end of. Where is the evidence for this position which, furthermore, contributes to your lack of respect, albeit behind their backs, for their individual wishes?
Perhaps I overstated my level of concern. As far as I'm willing to go is to use the name. You don't really gender someone while talking to them directly. That's sufficient to not cause any upset. I was pointing at facts not expressing a heartfelt desire to fix them all. I had almost no opinion on the matter until they announced that the lunacy was being pushed on children.
Trans racial surgeries should be fun once they get going. The pre surgery whites and asians insisting on being referred to as black will really stir the pot. Or black people looking to be called cracker and having their mickeys shortened for some of that sweet privilege. Trans species could be interesting too. Or something out of the leftfield altogether like having all the fingers removed or getting the nose or ears took off or the teeth removed because one feels like they should have been born without them.
World will be fucking mad in 20 years, but I guess the same could have been said 20 years ago.
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2021, 10:23:23 AM
As things currently stand there is no known biological cause for it. The causes of homosexuality are pretty poorly understood too.
Some people really like cats.
Some people really like the colour blue.
Some people really like dick.
Simple as that, no?
Quote from: astfgyl on April 19, 2021, 05:51:00 PM
Or something out of the leftfield altogether like having all the fingers removed or getting the nose or ears took off or the teeth removed because one feels like they should have been born without them.
Not that left field at all...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S092493381600290X
Quote from: Giggles on April 19, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2021, 10:23:23 AM
As things currently stand there is no known biological cause for it. The causes of homosexuality are pretty poorly understood too.
Some people really like cats.
Some people really like the colour blue.
Some people really like dick.
Simple as that, no?
Yup, was just saying that they never really found a reason for it.
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: Giggles on April 19, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2021, 10:23:23 AM
As things currently stand there is no known biological cause for it. The causes of homosexuality are pretty poorly understood too.
Some people really like cats.
Some people really like the colour blue.
Some people really like dick.
Simple as that, no?
Yup, was just saying that they never really found a reason for it.
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Quote from: Trev on April 19, 2021, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on April 19, 2021, 05:51:00 PM
Or something out of the leftfield altogether like having all the fingers removed or getting the nose or ears took off or the teeth removed because one feels like they should have been born without them.
Not that left field at all...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S092493381600290X
Ah I'm fuckin years behind...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 19, 2021, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: Giggles on April 19, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2021, 10:23:23 AM
As things currently stand there is no known biological cause for it. The causes of homosexuality are pretty poorly understood too.
Some people really like cats.
Some people really like the colour blue.
Some people really like dick.
Simple as that, no?
Yup, was just saying that they never really found a reason for it.
(https://i.imgur.com/qBpGQIg.gif)
The old Satan and dick combo.
Gaahl's preferred vintage.
Not to stir the pot too much, but is there any need really to understand the cause of homosexuality or gender dysphoria? Like would that lead to a cure or something? Would these folks want to be fixed? I doubt it.
Would I want to be cured if there was a cure for cynicism, for example? No I wouldn't. Or if I could be fixed from left handedness, no as well. But the wheels turn slowly and it's probably more important that people learn to accept themselves rather than roaring at the world to accept them. We will all get there eventually if we take enough yokes.
Honestly I think we were more progressive 20 years ago in terms of acceptance of others and with basically all of the things in this thread. The only possible explanation that comes to mind is that social media has us all gone demented and as a species we were far better off when we were not all connected, or at least not as intensely so. I'd know fuck all about this PC and offended brigade if not for social media. It makes everything seem far more prevalent than it actually is.
Like here we are giving pages on about transsexuals and nearly all of us know about one or none of them and I get caught up in it all as much as anyone and we all know fuck all
❤️Happy Birthday 18❤️
Quote from: astfgyl on April 19, 2021, 11:26:28 PM
Not to stir the pot too much, but is there any need really to understand the cause of homosexuality or gender dysphoria? Like would that lead to a cure or something? Would these folks want to be fixed? I doubt it.
I agree with you. I've never in my life heard of people looking for a "cause" for homosexuality, or describing it as a disorder.
Especially coming from a group of lads who (I'm assuming the vast majority of us) grew up in a Catholic Ireland where we were actively encouraged by church, by law, and by society to
not be gay. How about that for disorder?
Yeah I thought it was just accepted that some people are different to others and as long as they are not hurting anyone by being themselves then what's the problem? This is why I think society has gone backwards in many ways.
As much as I abhor what the left has become synonymous with, I'm still a liberal in my own way.
It's all a social media distraction. The world keeps on turning.
Dawkins has had his humanist award revoked 15 years after the fact. Could have told them years ago that he was in fact a dick.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 20, 2021, 03:55:38 PM
Dawkins has had his humanist award revoked 15 years after the fact. Could have told them years ago that he was in fact a dick.
From my limited knowledge of him, I found him an interesting and intelligent fella. What has he done that you're not a fan of?
We went through all this *checks notes* 130 pages back man! :-X
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 01:43:18 PM
I'll let him lay it out for you himself:
https://www.richarddawkins.net/2014/07/response-to-a-bizarre-twitter-storm/
If you can find a shred of genuine intelligence in there, let alone - god forbid - wisdom, please scrub the shit off it and present it to us, because I'm at a loss.
Atheism is only another form of belief anyway so I always took him with a pinch of salt. That twitter thing he got into was regrettable and distracts from any possibly salient points he may have to make regarding humanity and religion. Then again I hadn't heard of him in years before he acted the maggot last year
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 20, 2021, 04:12:32 PM
We went through all this *checks notes* 130 pages back man! :-X
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 01:43:18 PM
I'll let him lay it out for you himself:
https://www.richarddawkins.net/2014/07/response-to-a-bizarre-twitter-storm/
If you can find a shred of genuine intelligence in there, let alone - god forbid - wisdom, please scrub the shit off it and present it to us, because I'm at a loss.
Ah yes I think I remember that business.
For an atheist he tends to get really worked up about religion as well.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 20, 2021, 04:12:32 PM
We went through all this *checks notes* 130 pages back man! :-X
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 01:43:18 PM
I'll let him lay it out for you himself:
https://www.richarddawkins.net/2014/07/response-to-a-bizarre-twitter-storm/
If you can find a shred of genuine intelligence in there, let alone - god forbid - wisdom, please scrub the shit off it and present it to us, because I'm at a loss.
The tweets aren't visible there but I can glean what it's about and ya, I wouldn't be able to condone what he's getting at.
The Simpsons parodied Morrissey and he's whinging about it. Another fuckin blouse of a fella.
He's lucky nobody cared about the Simpsons in 20 years.... until now.
Dawkins's points about religion and Islam are grand, take them or leave them, but he should stick to what he excels at, namely evolutionary biology. His pointless twitter posts don't detract from the excellence of Climbing Mount Improbable, which is the only book of his I've as yet read. Nothing explosive in it at all unless you are a creationist.
Evolution is God's way of refining her work and has worked perfectly well for 6000 years
Quote from: astfgyl on April 20, 2021, 04:20:20 PM
Atheism is only another form of belief anyway so I always took him with a pinch of salt. That twitter thing he got into was regrettable and distracts from any possibly salient points he may have to make regarding humanity and religion. Then again I hadn't heard of him in years before he acted the maggot last year
I think he wanted a church of atheism with him as pope.
JewTube CEO Susan Wojcicki giving herself the Freedom Of Expression award is akin to Gerry & Kate McCann giving themselves the Parents of the Year award....
https://youtu.be/xDcvPf78g1k
The like to dislike ratio on that is very satisfying.
Quote from: hellfire on April 20, 2021, 06:15:11 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on April 20, 2021, 04:20:20 PM
Atheism is only another form of belief anyway so I always took him with a pinch of salt. That twitter thing he got into was regrettable and distracts from any possibly salient points he may have to make regarding humanity and religion. Then again I hadn't heard of him in years before he acted the maggot last year
I think he wanted a church of atheism with him as pope.
Please let that be real
Quote from: Bigmac on April 20, 2021, 08:28:43 PM
The like to dislike ratio on that is very satisfying.
Especially since JewTube seem to 'monitor' that themselves quite well too....
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 20, 2021, 05:45:32 PM
Dawkins's points about religion and Islam are grand, take them or leave them, but he should stick to what he excels at, namely evolutionary biology. His pointless twitter posts don't detract from the excellence of Climbing Mount Improbable, which is the only book of his I've as yet read. Nothing explosive in it at all unless you are a creationist.
Agreed. His books are outstanding, I've read them all several times and will read them again, every time you read them you find something new to blow your mind. He has a grand flow to his writing and a great way of explaining very complex subject matter.
I see the American judicial system has chimped out.
25 minutes before the verdict was read out:
"She was just a kid': Protests held in US state of Ohio after police fatally shoot black teenager
The poor teenager in question was only trying to stab two people.
"Wooden even let us celebrate for one day!"
https://mobile.twitter.com/myamaileen/status/1384632485254991872?s=19
Seems like a reasonable verdict to me. Kneeling on someone's neck for 9+ minutes when he has already been cuffed and restrained is nothing short of murder. The circus around it is another matter.
If I had a choice of Derek Chauvin kneeling on me for 9.5 minutes or imbibing the amount of fentanyl big Georgie took prior to arrest, I know which option would have the greater success rate.
Mind you, I'd probably have not resisted arrest, thus making my chances of survival even higher.
RIP St Georgie..... :abbath:
Gone but never forgotten..... XXxX
Quote from: Emphyrio on April 21, 2021, 07:52:41 AM
25 minutes before the verdict was read out:
"She was just a kid': Protests held in US state of Ohio after police fatally shoot black teenager
The poor teenager in question was only trying to stab two people.
Bit messier than that; she may have been the one who called the police.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/20/989342784/16-year-old-black-girl-who-called-for-help-fatally-shot-by-police-ohio-family-sa
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 21, 2021, 08:52:35 AM
If I had a choice of Derek Chauvin kneeling on me for 9.5 minutes or imbibing the amount of fentanyl big Georgie took prior to arrest, I know which option would have the greater success rate.
Mind you, I'd probably have not resisted arrest, thus making my chances of survival even higher.
RIP St Georgie..... :abbath:
Gone but never forgotten..... XXxX
Does this not get tiring?
Gonna be hard to recruit new cops in the States from now on. Why would you bother?
Up against violent armed nutters on an almost daily basis and the threat of court and jail looms ominously over your shoulder for just doing your job. No thanks....
I don't think, even in the US, you'd pass screening, so no worries ;)
Ooooooh burn, bitch burn..!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 21, 2021, 09:19:44 AM
Gonna be hard to recruit new cops in the States from now on. Why would you bother?
Up against violent armed nutters on an almost daily basis and the threat of court and jail looms ominously over your shoulder for just doing your job. No thanks....
Nah it will be grand. They can still get their kicks by shooting white people, or if they happen to be in an ethnic minority they can shoot minorities.
The right verdict tbh. Completely excessive.
This is the first I'm hearing of this. Fuck the garda.
Ah yeah he done Floyd, simple as. Sure the 4 cops could have picked him up and put him in the back of the squad in no time instead of kneeling on his neck/back for about 10 mins. Ridiculous stuff really no matter what colour the perp. The doxxing of jurors and the statement about reaching the right verdict from the president weren't really needed all the same, given the evidence available.
I see Pelosi has thanked Floyd for being killed, as if he selflessly offered himself up jesus-style, rather than die while being arrested for a (honestly very minor) crime. The fella did indeed get done bad but the reaction and the beatification of him is something to behold. I think the narrative could be changed a bit from Saint George to Bad Derek, because the two opinions don't necessarily go hand in hand.
Quote from: open face surgery on April 21, 2021, 10:30:25 AM
This is the first I'm hearing of this. Fuck the garda.
Seriously?
Yeah. About time the Irish feds got popped.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 21, 2021, 08:45:41 AM
Seems like a reasonable verdict to me. Kneeling on someone's neck for 9+ minutes when he has already been cuffed and restrained is nothing short of murder. The circus around it is another matter.
He did it alright, no question. I bet the prosecutors are kicking themselves they didn't reach for murder one. I think they would have got it.
Much easier to create droids when you don't know who you are....
https://www.rt.com/news/469785-swedish-schools-drop-history-postmodernism/
Seems Tucker has some stuff he needs to work through! If stuck for time, skip to last 30 seconds or so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ayHFwKjOE
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2021, 02:49:04 PM
Seems Tucker has some stuff he needs to work through! If stuck for time, skip to last 30 seconds or so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ayHFwKjOE
Christ above. Police chief was talking perfect sense. Tucker seemingly doesn't like rational debate. I don't like your answer and it doesn't fit my narrative so I'll just cut you off.
There's been another police shooting a black kid. This time there's people actually saying the cop did the right thing as she was about to stab another girl in a shitty pink tracksuit. Ironically it was the girl who called the police who ended up dead.
Video up on twitter and it really was very quick.
#shittypinktracksuitlivesmatter
I wonder what will happen after all of these shootings. Will they reform the police and give them no guns? How do they fix the issue that is seemingly endemic? It's mad how much stirred up emotion there is out there now because of this.
Maybe they need to encourage more black people to join the police? Kinda like they did up in the north with encouraging Catholics to join the Psni?
It isn't going to be fixed any time soon. In fact, it may even get worse.
I really can't wait for George Floyd: The Movie to come out. Starring Tom Cruise of course...
That's really going to melt everyone's fookin bins.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 21, 2021, 04:33:21 PM
There's been another police shooting a black kid. This time there's people actually saying the cop did the right thing as she was about to stab another girl in a shitty pink tracksuit. Ironically it was the girl who called the police who ended up dead.
Video up on twitter and it really was very quick.
She did have a knife in her hand and was lunging at somone.
Speaking of which, whatever happened with the lad that got shot in Dublin a while back, has it all blown over?
Quote from: hellfire on April 21, 2021, 05:59:02 PM
She did have a knife in her hand and was lunging at somone.
A lot of people on twitter saying why didn't they use a Taser instead of being gun ho.
People pointing out tazers aren't totally accurate and if you miss then you don't get another go. Which by then that girl gets knifed.
People also think it would be safer to just aim for legs not realising the amount of arterties makes that very dangerous.
Some people watch to much TV.
I remember somone saying that police are trained to shoot at the torso as they have the best chance of landing. That was around the time the Gardai shot that lad in Dublin.
Yeah I think that's the same with the American cops. Legs move a lot and are a smaller target, which means missing and hitting Somone else.
Just wondering if a conversation about police shooting black people etc is really suited in a thread for moaning about the snowflake generation?
The question that'll be asked is whether a non Afro-American teen, on her own property, in a fight with two black girls, even if she was brandishing a knife, would have been shot on sight having called the cops about an incident at her home.
It's likely, on here at least, you'll be the only one asking that question.
Quote from: Carnage on April 21, 2021, 06:10:48 PM
Speaking of which, whatever happened with the lad that got shot in Dublin a while back, has it all blown over?
For the most part but there was another shitstorm on social media about two weeks ago because the lads 16 year old brother was caught driving with no license or insurance and the police ended up having a scuffle with his family because they were getting in their faces screaming "you murdered our brother", which obviously in the current world of social media means the Gardai are the second coming of the KKK because they didn't let an underage kid joyride in peace.
"Taking a knee and other forms of athlete protest to be banned at Tokyo Olympics"
https://www.the42.ie/protests-at-tokyo-olympics-5416604-Apr2021/
I'm all for anti-racism initiatives n that jazz but in football, taking a knee has lost all impact. It's probably about time sport became depoliticized again anyway.
Quote from: Emphyrio on April 21, 2021, 07:02:35 PM
It's likely, on here at least, you'll be the only one asking that question.
It is the question that will be asked though, especially by proponents of "unconscious bias." Personally though, I don't think a rich bitch teen wielding a knife at a couple of other girls, of any colour, in front of her residence in a well-to-do neighborhood would have been shot on sight. And from what I've learned about the US from TV and cinema, such occurrences are the most common thing in the world over there! 8) :abbath:
I'll let someone else deal with his nonsense today. I've done my bit last week.
Quote from: Emphyrio on April 21, 2021, 07:31:10 PM
"Taking a knee and other forms of athlete protest to be banned at Tokyo Olympics"
https://www.the42.ie/protests-at-tokyo-olympics-5416604-Apr2021/
I'm all for anti-racism initiatives n that jazz but in football, taking a knee has lost all impact. It's probably about time sport became depoliticized again anyway.
Banning protesting is opening themselves up to a total shitshow.
Oh for sure there'll be backlash. Par for the course at this stage. Stupid whiney cunts.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2021, 06:52:55 PM
The question that'll be asked is whether a non Afro-American teen, on her own property, in a fight with two black girls, even if she was brandishing a knife, would have been shot on sight having called the cops about an incident at her home.
There is always the context in everything. I would expect a gard called out to a domestic on a halting site or in some kip of an estate in clondalkin to naturally approach the situation differently to one where he is called out similarly to Dundrum or Terenure.
And then there is always perspective to consider. I'd imagine there are hundreds of violent incidents a day in the US involving police intervention. Bad White Cop is not out stalking the country picking off random innocent black targets willy nilly.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2021, 06:52:55 PM
The question that'll be asked is whether a non Afro-American teen, on her own property, in a fight with two black girls, even if she was brandishing a knife, would have been shot on sight having called the cops about an incident at her home.
Did you see the video? The girl with the knife had only got off one opponent on the ground when she leapt up and started going for the girl in the pink tracksuit. This was just as the cops were arriving. They hadn't much time to react, much less think I'd say.
As for a white girl attacking two black girls in a nice neighbourhood? You know full well that scenario is highly highly unlikely. In fact, next to nil. So we'll knock that one on the head, yeah?
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 21, 2021, 08:37:43 PMAs for a white girl attacking two black girls in a nice neighbourhood? You know full well that scenario is highly highly unlikely. In fact, next to nil. So we'll knock that one on the head, yeah?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2021, 07:51:26 PMfrom what I've learned about the US from TV and cinema, such occurrences are the most common thing in the world over there! 8) :abbath:
;)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2021, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 21, 2021, 08:37:43 PMAs for a white girl attacking two black girls in a nice neighbourhood? You know full well that scenario is highly highly unlikely. In fact, next to nil. So we'll knock that one on the head, yeah?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2021, 07:51:26 PMfrom what I've learned about the US from TV and cinema, such occurrences are the most common thing in the world over there! 8) :abbath:
;)
Oh right, I'm supposed to read all your posts on each page and answer collectively. Gotcha mista... ::)
Watching the video, I can't see what choice the cop had. Just arriving on the scene, seeing her lunging at someone else with a knife, he has to make an on the spot decision to stop her from potentially killing the other girl. She's moving so aiming for limbs isn't viable, you go for centre mass. Was four shots excessive? Probably. Split second, adrenaline fuelled decisions aren't always perfect but he probably saved pink tracksuit's life.
Her street skillz were good but they inevitably cost her her life.
Should be out drinking flagons of cider at that age. Such a waste of a young life and you have to think of the two girls she was fighting with too. Can't be easy watching and being a part of that for a mid teen, or indeed, anybody.
I'm waiting for the punchline...
Quote from: open face surgery on April 21, 2021, 08:08:15 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on April 21, 2021, 07:31:10 PM
"Taking a knee and other forms of athlete protest to be banned at Tokyo Olympics"
https://www.the42.ie/protests-at-tokyo-olympics-5416604-Apr2021/
I'm all for anti-racism initiatives n that jazz but in football, taking a knee has lost all impact. It's probably about time sport became depoliticized again anyway.
Banning protesting is opening themselves up to a total shitshow.
Agreed. A ridiculous move and one a lot of athletes will disobey I'd say.
As regards the girl getting killed. You carry a knife and threaten someone with it then I'd prefer the person with the knife getting shot than the innocent person getting stabbed.
You need to hold up your Colortrend card before making that sort of a statement.
Twice I've been threatened with a knife. The first time I was unaware of as I'd been battered beforehand (mugged outside McGonagles, aged 15). The second time I was fortunate enough that the cunt was pissed, so I kicked the everloving shit out of him 'til a local detective stopped me and sent me home.
I have no problem whatsoever with anyone threatening or attacking another person with a knife being killed. It's the act of a coward.
Quote from: Blackout on April 21, 2021, 05:18:00 PM
I wonder what will happen after all of these shootings. Will they reform the police and give them no guns? How do they fix the issue that is seemingly endemic? It's mad how much stirred up emotion there is out there now because of this.
I'm going to bet on absolutely nothing. If they do fuck-all after people going in and shooting up schools, primary schools sometimes, because "that's the way it is", then I really don't see anything happening here.
The gun problem is so massive and so engrained that it may never be sorted. It's great to sit in Ireland and think they should just ban gun sales. In practice over there it would be a nightmare. Even without selling new guns the whole country is flooded with them.
One thing you need to consider, and I don't necessarily mean agree with but just factor in, is that in America owning a gun for many people is as much a part of their identity as anything else. I think it goes deeper than merely exercising their right to own a gun; owning guns is part of what it means to be American. It has become an existential matter. So how do you unravel that? Mix in political ideology and you're truly fucked.
You'll never stop gun ownership in America. They should just sell handguns and shotguns. Assault rifles should only be allowed to rent at a gun range. Letting people own an assault rifle is crazy seeing as it's the weapon of choice in school shooting. Personally I don't think anyone should own a gun except for the reasons we have gun ownership in Ireland but as Andy said it's ingrained over there.
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Quote from: Ollkiller on April 22, 2021, 11:59:08 AM
You'll never stop gun ownership in America. They should just sell handguns and shotguns. Assault rifles should only be allowed to rent at a gun range. Letting people own an assault rifle is crazy seeing as it's the weapon of choice in school shooting. Personally I don't think anyone should own a gun except for the reasons we have gun ownership in Ireland but as Andy said it's ingrained over there.
Lots of republicans losing their assault rifles in unfortunate boating accidents lately, so the level of ownership is decreasing all the time. As for all the ammo, they had just gotten to the end of the stockpiles before the many unfortunate incidents
What's all that about?
Republicans fear that the democrat govt are coming for their assault rifles, so to lose them in a boating accident now saves the authorities the bother of coming for said guns.
Www.thejournal.ie/readme/cosmetic-surgery-ireland-5414737-Apr2021/%3famp=1
Soak it in lads, ya bunch of judgemental bastards. How dare you not have the preference of going after some wrinkly auld one.
Maybe this idiot ought to blame herself for her situation as all of that man-hate would cause a few wrinkles.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2021, 02:49:04 PM
Seems Tucker has some stuff he needs to work through! If stuck for time, skip to last 30 seconds or so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ayHFwKjOE
It really seems like people are cracking. This time it's Shapiro:
https://twitter.com/BeauTFC/status/1385082745437794304
He's a plank alright...
Quote from: Blackout on April 22, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
Www.thejournal.ie/readme/cosmetic-surgery-ireland-5414737-Apr2021/%3famp=1
Soak it in lads, ya bunch of judgemental bastards. How dare you not have the preference of going after some wrinkly auld one.
Maybe this idiot ought to blame herself for her situation as all of that man-hate would cause a few wrinkles.
Funnily enough, we watched Wild Things (always a great watch) over the weekend, and afterwards we were looking up to see what had become of Neve Campbell and Denise Richards, knowing only that the latter had married Sheen at some point. In the course of this search about, a lot of internet user comments were stumbled upon, and the ones about Richards in particular could essentially all be summed up in variants of "Used to be so hot but she got old as fuck" and "She aged terribly", etc., and all seemed exclusively to be from guys mutually back-slapping each other for their ability to identify and critique natural signs of ageing. Really absolutely pathetic stuff, on every level.
Quote from: Blackout on April 22, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
Www.thejournal.ie/readme/cosmetic-surgery-ireland-5414737-Apr2021/%3famp=1
Soak it in lads, ya bunch of judgemental bastards. How dare you not have the preference of going after some wrinkly auld one.
Maybe this idiot ought to blame herself for her situation as all of that man-hate would cause a few wrinkles.
I know a lad in Waterford who prefers older women. He has almost no interest in women closer to his own age or younger.
Reply @2806
Push your nose back in Pinocchio....
Once you go slack, you never go back.
The older the fiddle the sweeter the tune, or so im told 💨
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 22, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: Blackout on April 22, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
Www.thejournal.ie/readme/cosmetic-surgery-ireland-5414737-Apr2021/%3famp=1
Soak it in lads, ya bunch of judgemental bastards. How dare you not have the preference of going after some wrinkly auld one.
Maybe this idiot ought to blame herself for her situation as all of that man-hate would cause a few wrinkles.
Funnily enough, we watched Wild Things (always a great watch) over the weekend, and afterwards we were looking up to see what had become of Neve Campbell and Denise Richards, knowing only that the latter had married Sheen at some point. In the course of this search about, a lot of internet user comments were stumbled upon, and the ones about Richards in particular could essentially all be summed up in variants of "Used to be so hot but she got old as fuck" and "She aged terribly", etc., and all seemed exclusively to be from guys mutually back-slapping each other for their ability to identify and critique natural signs of ageing. Really absolutely pathetic stuff, on every level.
Just had a look there and I still would. Along with so many more of the same vintage.
The point is, ITS OK TO HAVE A FUCKING PREFERENCE. Some Men don't like older women, that is perfectly OK not "bcoz patriarchy".
It's like the older pervs who go on tinder then bitch about the young girls not replying to them. It because you're too fucking old and you don't look like you have a large bank balance.
No matter what your social leanings, looks will always be a huge factor when choosing a partner.
Quote from: Blackout on April 22, 2021, 07:13:13 PM
It's like the older pervs who go on tinder then bitch about the young girls not replying to them. It because you're too fucking old and you don't look like you have a large bank balance.
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Would it help if I posed in front of a yacht?
Quote from: Emphyrio on April 22, 2021, 07:21:46 PM
Quote from: Blackout on April 22, 2021, 07:13:13 PM
It's like the older pervs who go on tinder then bitch about the young girls not replying to them. It because you're too fucking old and you don't look like you have a large bank balance.
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Would it help if I posed in front of a yacht?
It's getting on the yacht with the girls in question that may cause issues.
Quote from: Blackout on April 22, 2021, 07:13:13 PM
The point is, ITS OK TO HAVE A FUCKING PREFERENCE. Some Men don't like older women, that is perfectly OK not "bcoz patriarchy".
It's like the older pervs who go on tinder then bitch about the young girls not replying to them. It because you're too fucking old and you don't look like you have a large bank balance.
No matter what your social leanings, looks will always be a huge factor when choosing a partner.
Of course it's okay to have a preference, sure it's silly talk to say otherwise. Of course for some the preference is anything breathing. Saying some woman is gone old looking is pretty obvious if one simply waits long enough, and saying some age worse than others isn't exactly a big deal either, just as saying I'd give them one for old times' sake isn't the end of the world. We really are in the age of getting worked up over nothing.
Quote from: hellfire on April 22, 2021, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: Blackout on April 22, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
Www.thejournal.ie/readme/cosmetic-surgery-ireland-5414737-Apr2021/%3famp=1
Soak it in lads, ya bunch of judgemental bastards. How dare you not have the preference of going after some wrinkly auld one.
Maybe this idiot ought to blame herself for her situation as all of that man-hate would cause a few wrinkles.
I know a lad in Waterford who prefers older women. He has almost no interest in women closer to his own age or younger.
Yeah I know a lad the same, Mary Kennedy of nationwide fame is his ideal woman, the cunt is mad about her.
I also worked with two brothers a few years ago who were stone mad for fat women, and when I say fat now I mean morbidly obese like, one was married to a woman that must have been 30 stone and the other lad had a string of women on the go each one of which was heavier than the last.
I'm not judging like. Horses for courses, There's someone for everyone, and that type of thing.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/what-will-new-gender-neutral-toilets-in-schools-look-like-1.4545084
I don't really have an opinion on this being right or wrong but I do think it will ruin a bit of the experience for all sexes
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on April 22, 2021, 10:42:49 PM
Quote from: hellfire on April 22, 2021, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: Blackout on April 22, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
Www.thejournal.ie/readme/cosmetic-surgery-ireland-5414737-Apr2021/%3famp=1
Soak it in lads, ya bunch of judgemental bastards. How dare you not have the preference of going after some wrinkly auld one.
Maybe this idiot ought to blame herself for her situation as all of that man-hate would cause a few wrinkles.
I know a lad in Waterford who prefers older women. He has almost no interest in women closer to his own age or younger.
Yeah I know a lad the same, Mary Kennedy of nationwide fame is his ideal woman, the cunt is mad about her.
I also worked with two brothers a few years ago who were stone mad for fat women, and when I say fat now I mean morbidly obese like, one was married to a woman that must have been 30 stone and the other lad had a string of women on the go each one of which was heavier than the last.
I'm not judging like. Horses for courses, There's someone for everyone, and that type of thing.
Fat women are like mopeds. Great fun to ride but you wouldn't want your mates to see you with one.
They're both pretty good fetishes to have. The competition for older and fatter women would be considerably less fierce.
Came across a funny one on that oasis of calm known as twitter: Racist Gardening....
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1385545412371755009
As I thought it was merely some cabbage on twitter, I was gonna ignore it but it was televised on channel 4. Another crybaby.
That YUMMY CLICK REVENUE :-*
You'd almost admire the effort and lengths people will go to to give out about something.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on April 23, 2021, 12:58:30 PM
That YUMMY CLICK REVENUE :-*
Yeah I got sucked in, it was too funny not to. Some of these lads actually have to be trolling, surely? Talk about fulfilling the stereotype of the offended crowd though
Oh yeah, wasn't a criticism of yourself at all! Just a nice little boost for Channel 4. Someone retweeted saying "The Tories are going to win the next UK election, aren't they?"
I reckon it's mostly people have realised they can make careers out of it in media, academia and politics.
To be fair if I thought I could make a few bob out of coming up with the most ridiculous and tenuous links to racism, I'd give it a go myself. The racist chess where white always goes first was another classic. Too easily solved with bright blue and red pieces though.
LMFAO someone at the (((BBC))) is in trouble. I bet they expected that black guy to be the usual 'all whites are racist'.
The BBC got a black police (Brandon Tatum) officer on to discuss Chauvin's convictions, they clearly weren't expecting the truth bombs and ended the interview prematurely.
Hahahaha, check the interview out if you can...
Quote from: astfgyl on April 23, 2021, 12:51:56 PM
Came across a funny one on that oasis of calm known as twitter: Racist Gardening....
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1385545412371755009
Heritage seeds are often not patented, so you can allow a crop to go to seed and legally save them for next year, meaning you don't need to constantly reinvest in buying seeds.
Many non-heritage varieties, hybrids and the like, are patented and considered intellectual property, so it's illegal to save or swap them, meaning you have to keep on buying them from some large multinational who hold the rights to it.
Just a piss poor attempt at using 'racism' to line more corporate pockets.
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Quote from: astfgyl on April 23, 2021, 12:51:56 PM
Came across a funny one on that oasis of calm known as twitter: Racist Gardening....
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1385545412371755009
Heritage seeds are often not patented, so you can allow a crop to go to seed and legally save them for next year, meaning you don't need to constantly reinvest in buying seeds.
Many non-heritage varieties, hybrids and the like, are patented and considered intellectual property, so it's illegal to save or swap them, meaning you have to keep on buying them from some large multinational who hold the rights to it.
Just a piss poor attempt at using 'racism' to line more corporate pockets.
Connotations of heritage are fucking racist, and racism is bad, so if I don't use the heritage varieties I will be helping to end systemic racism in the US, and helping the black and asian communities to take pride in their heritage while doing my bit to avenge the death of George. And there's free shoes! Onto the fucking knees with me then. Mexican people are also sound and oppressed while we're here, fuck the police as well and follow the science, wear a jonny even when you're not fucking somebody wear it to bed and all. Piss in it throughout the day until it busts out all over your legs. I know it makes no sense but it's the latest thing to signal for and it makes others feel at ease who might otherwise feel nervous, scared, or simply unsure of themselves by making me feel bad in their stead. Of course I have no way of knowing who is feeling unsure of themselves or what pronouns they need in their lives right now, so I just bust a jonny full of piss all over my legs several times a day and everyone feels so bad for me that they are busting pissy rubbers of their own in solidarity with me, and the smell is everywhere like worldwide everywhere. It's gone viral there's riots and everything is piss and everything is ruined and now we are moving on to jonnies full of shit and I don't even know who I am anymore
But at least the heritage is going out of gardening so everyone's a winner
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I could never in a million years have predicted the direction that was going to take.
Quality!
Top marks.
:laugh: 10/10
Jajajajajajaja :laugh:
The aul Excalibur musta been in full flow last night.
Sounds like my granny in her final days.
The Treasury Department of America has lost the plot. In honour of George Floyd they are going to print his portrait on all new counterfeit $20 bills.
:laugh:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 25, 2021, 09:10:26 PM
The Treasury Department of America has lost the plot. In honour of George Floyd they are going to print his portrait on all new counterfeit $20 bills.
I used to think I was bad. You're rotten to the core.
Looks like Melinda Gates was secretly using iMacs all along :laugh:
Either that or Bill wasn't using his.
Can't say I blame him
Tidy settlement incoming. Fucking euro millions she's won there, and could have cashed in at any time.
Jordan Peterson comes up in this thread often, and before today I'd never looked at him so I watched a quick video of him banging on about honesty to try get a feel for his buzz and overall, whatever he was saying, I was really disappointed with his squeaky voice. Just an observation, I've no idea why I expected anything different and I've no opinion on him one way or the other as of yet.
Your post is very LGBT
Quote from: astfgyl on May 04, 2021, 09:14:07 PM
Jordan Peterson comes up in this thread often, and before today I'd never looked at him so I watched a quick video of him banging on about honesty to try get a feel for his buzz and overall, whatever he was saying, I was really disappointed with his squeaky voice. Just an observation, I've no idea why I expected anything different and I've no opinion on him one way or the other as of yet.
And to push it a bit further, as he has stated himself, he sounds like Kermit the Frog.
He's also worse than Hitler and almost as bad as Donald Trump.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 04, 2021, 09:18:45 PM
That/it's post is very LGBT
Fixed that for you. I'm very particular about my third person possessive adjectives so try to keep up. (aieee, I had to edit it, it's the third person possesive adjective and I had it put in the second person. "Your" is second person. I don't know who I am any more :'()
Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 04, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
He's also worse than Hitler and almost as bad as Donald Trump.
Oh great. I must listen to what he is saying next time instead of focusing solely on the sound of his voice. It was his perceived level of evil that made me consider finding out what he might have to say in the first place
If you're expecting anything inflammatory or outrageous you'll be massively disappointed.
No nothing like that really interests me the inflammatory for the sake of it stuff. It's the common sense approach that kills everyone.
My favourite thing I know about Jordan Peterson is that time his grifter daughter made him eat only red meat for ages until he nearly died. Fascinating stuff
Jordan Peterson was a dissenting voice in the ever-growing safe spaces colleges have now become. Looking at the state of some of the colleges now and he wasn't wrong. Anyone - with the exception of perhaps Sam Harris- who has been in a debate with him has lost very badly (open to correction). Its tough to debate him without having a keyboard and pages of worthless word-salads to rely on.
He made an absolute fool of himself "debating" Zizek. Not that Zizek was particularly great, but he was better than a high school book review that sounded like it was based purely on skimmed cliff notes. Unsurprisingly, it's not one you see shared very often.
For all the anti-Peterson rhetoric I see thrown about, the fact of his importance and influence on a vast number of people remains unchanged. Whether you agree with him or not, or believe he is a monster or a charlatan, he seems to be getting through to a massive number of disenfranchised people who are finding meaning in their lives through his, dare I say it, positive message. And he is like a gateway drug into a world of fascinating online discussion and discovery. That alone is to be applauded. People need to use their time on the Internet in better, more productive ways and the likes of Peterson, Harris, Michael Schermer, Brett (and Heather) and Eric Weinstein in their respective shows, Lex Fridman, Joe Rogan, Glen Loury etc. are, rather than just wildly trying to bring their perceived cultural opponents down, are offering alternative views and interviews with a wide array of interesting people. That's my experience at least. Peterson recently introduced me to Iain McGilchrist and I'm slowly (very slowly) inching my way into his vast thesis on the divided brain. The amount of fascinating people I have discovered trough my own YouTube adventures over the past few years is astonishing. I have discovered all sorts of interests I never knew I had so when I see these attacks on Jordan Peterson, who as far as I can tell from the hours I've spent listening to him speak, is all about improving yourself, your prospects and the lives of those around you, alarm bells ring.
Why are the left so threatened by him? Is it because he is encouraging people to think for themselves, to act for themselves and not to give in to lunatic woke ideology? That might make the masses harder to control and direct. Dunno, just a thought.
The attacks are so vicious and personal too. "Hur hur he nearly died".
Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 05, 2021, 11:13:25 PM
so when I see these attacks on Jordan Peterson, who as far as I can tell from the hours I've spent listening to him speak, is all about improving yourself, your prospects and the lives of those around you, alarm bells ring.
Why are the left so threatened by him? Is it because he is encouraging people to think for themselves, to act for themselves and not to give in to lunatic woke ideology? That might make the masses harder to control and direct. Dunno, just a thought.
The answer couldn't be any more visible though; why do the left feel, I wouldn't say threatened, but rather incensed by Peterson? The guy who single-handedly disseminated his strawman idea of "Cultural Marxism" to the entire western world (an achievement of sorts, granted), which everyone in the know suspected was based on absolutely no knowledge of Marxism, which he then went on to very successfully prove in his debate with Zizek? The guy who has endlessly echoed the trope of "socialism" - as opposed to just run-of-the-mill-can-take-many-appearances totalitarianism - has killed 60 million? Why do the left not like that guy??
From what I can tell, though, he is as concerned about the lunatic fringe on both sides. Maybe the far right hate him as well, I suppose their voice isn't as culturally prominent so you would have to dig to find it. The Cultural Marxism stuff that he talks about is almost a side show (you will argue a clever one, I'm sure, which may be true) to his valuable message. That's my take on him. The ideological battles are less valuable to me than his discourse on meaning and the powerful symbolism of religion. That's fascinating to me, and many more it seems, and opens up avenues of exploration to people. That's his value, essentially. He is asking people to stop and think for a minute.
Firstly, I was just giving you a very obvious reason why the left dislike him, a much more obvious one than some kind of conspiracy where they secretly don't want to allow Peterson to get people to think. Their problem with him is that what he calls "thinking" can't really be all that great shakes, since when he "thinks" about the left (socialism, Marxism, etc.) what he comes out with is often uninformed sweeping statement nonsense. Zizek (again, I'm no great fan) totally caught Peterson off-guard (again, largely because Peterson didn't arse himself preparing) by being just as critical of liberal wokeness as Peterson, but happening to also have the knowledge to separate that brand of wokeness from vacuous, right-wing stroking labels like "Cultural Marxism" and "Postmodernist neo-Marxism", or whatever.
Asking people to stop and think for a minute is laudable, but leading by example is even more laudable, and that's where Peterson really falls down. People who tend to agree with him also tend not to be informed enough about his classic targets to notice that he's often making stuff up on the spot and not genuinely "thinking" at all. As a result, while he may have helped X number of individuals sort their lives out - which is again laudable - he also definitely stoked the flames of division and helped poison the discourse by arming people even less knowledgeable than him with a bag of nonsense tropes which they promptly used their keyboards to often aggressively relay around the globe. Net effect of Peterson has not been increased "thinking" at all, from what I can tell.
I suppose you might have to separate Internet warrioring with those on an actual quest for personal growth. Of course there will be people who use his terminology to win whatever transient Internet argument is currently blazing, but by that logic, the ones who are actually gaining something real from what he says are less likely to be getting involved in Internet spats. Maybe? It seems to me that if his message is getting through to people, then getting away from the likes of Facebook and Twitter would be a solid first move to make. I'm not really interested in having a circular argument about his merits or demerits. I think we've all been there.
I've said many times, if his book 12 Rules For Life genuinely helps some people get back on track, great. What's a pity is that he became famous enough to be a person people might find first when in need of getting back on track, and it was his cultural marxism schtick that initially made him famous. Personally, I don't see the appeal, and find it somewhat amusing that someone like Blackout can, in the same sentence, champion Peterson while blanket dismissing his critics as dressers of worthless word-salads. I would tend to say that that in itself is fairly symptomatic, since there is no more literally, etymologically worthless word salad in today's marketplace of ideas than "cultural marxism." The only people it appears to mean something to are those who will instantly perceive those words to mean "cultural evil anti-western thing" and have no interest in finding out whether that is accurate or not. Not that Peterson came up with cultural marxism, people far worse than him did, but he did bring it to the world, and that made the world a stupider rather than a more thoughtful place.
Saw this one earlier.
Left in 1991 - Fuck you I won't do what you tell me.
Left in 2021 - Fuck you, just do what you're told to.
Bit simplistic and probably confined to a certain section as I know plenty of lefties who don't fit the bill that way but I found it a bit funny considering I have made a similar point myself several times on here.
Must find one for the right for balance though, because I'm neither. It was the comment about Peterson encouraging some folks to think for themselves reminded me of it. Still can't comment on the man himself but I'm glad I have missed the stuff the 2 lads are on about. It sounds like a sideshow
As for cultural Marxism, I haven't a fucking clue what it means. Is it some reference to the homogenisation of modern culture or such like?
I forgot he was the originator of the cultural Marxism thing, an annoying and, as far as I can tell, meaningless trope that other Internet right wing people have been repeating. As some of ye have illuminated, probably not really his fault or his main thing.
I don't go in for him, his work never did anything for me, but admittedly I've only watched some videos and talks by and about him, not read his book. I imagine that for the left he is another character in a tiresome ongoing online culture war, a protagonist for anyone 'anti-woke', an issue which itself is so unbelievably tiresome. This is obviously reductive, and again, not necessarily his fault. His ideas obviously just appealed to one group of people over another.
Making 'wokeness' (which as far as I can tell is what Cultural Marxism means) the central issue of the left is the greatest success of this online right; no longer are we arguing about fair distribution of wealth and resources, or access to health care or education and fairness in the way people are treated no matter who they are (yes, even straight white lads, despite what some people think). Instead, we argue about pronouns or some shit.
Never deep dived on philosophy like some of ye have, but I watch some Contrapoints. I recommend her channel on youtube. Absolutely from a left perspective, may as well know that going in if ye're to check it out.
The Contrapoints video on Peterson is absolutely delicious. I find her a bit much to take most of the time, but a rigorous and humorous critique of his work delivered by a trans woman is so rich with irony it's hilarious in and of itself.
Quote from: Blackout on May 05, 2021, 11:15:58 PM
The attacks are so vicious and personal too. "Hur hur he nearly died".
Fair point. I'll clarify I don't wish the man ill health, that would be deranged.
The event just has an element of extreme high farce to me, given the context of who he is (successful and respected intellectual and philosopher), who she is (daughter, but could be anyone in the genre of 'child/sibling/spouse/ex-partner of the actually relevant person who is using their proximity to sell whatever dumb product they have'), what the product was (an all meat diet to own the woke snowflakes) and the outcome (not good).
Obviously, it's great he's recovered from that. I believe it was pneumonia so possibly even unrelated to the diet, but it can't have helped and the point is that the whole thing was like an elaborate dark sketch.
Came across this article by Alex Mell-Taylor who's some sort of trans activist if the photo on his article is anything to go by.
Anyway, it's about white supremacy online clothing stores. I had just started reading and I noticed a very snazzy hi-top red sneaker emblazoned with an Iron Cross on the ankle part of the shoe.
It just didn't look right so I zoomed in on the image and saw it was a photoshopped cross on the shoe.
I Google Lens(ed) the sneaker and it led me to a stock pair of red sneakers.
What's the deal with journalists and writers these days and lying and deceiving their audiences?
People actually pay to read these articles...
Don't fecking lie to them...
https://aninjusticemag.com/inside-the-hateful-world-of-white-supremacist-fashion-ded82bd2ccec
It's because demand for Nazism far outstrips supply. They have to fight the foe regardless of whether it is there or not.
A stupid idea to doctor a photo, but you're kinda wilfully missing the wood for the one very obviously photoshopped tree. For example, here are some quotes from the merch sites actually linked:
https://will2rise.com/elements/pages/about/
QuoteAt Will2Rise, we go out of our way to make sure all products and designs are created by those who share our values and identity. All products are made in Eastern Europe, so not a single hand touches the production that is not of like mind.
QuoteAll items are made by people of European descent, meaning all money goes into the pockets of our own, in return, keeping our people employed and helping families.
QuoteWe work to bring you top quality nationalist apparel. ... For our people, made by our people!
Have a peruse here:
https://www.homelandandfamily.com/shop-bolt
So, there's one image that's been doctored, but otherwise all the actual content of the article itself seems to be legit. I mean, yeah, who cares? Let people buy and wear whatever ridiculous slogan t-shirt they want; they won't look any more or less idiotic than folk wearing "I drink and I know things" t-shirts, but your critique is still fairly weak, and the "foe" identified demonstrably
is there, even if it's probably not a foe actually worth identifying.
Using misinformation of any kind to further their point brings everything into question. Simple as. Christ.
Can't wait for my summer collection of t-shirts and caps to arrive 8)
Quote from: open face surgery on May 10, 2021, 11:19:06 AM
Using misinformation of any kind to further their point brings everything into question. Simple as. Christ.
Yeah, but Sherlock there with his Google lensing...there's a credited link to the original (not stock) photo underneath! :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 10, 2021, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: open face surgery on May 10, 2021, 11:19:06 AM
Using misinformation of any kind to further their point brings everything into question. Simple as. Christ.
Yeah, but Sherlock there with his Google lensing...there's a credited link to the original (not stock) photo underneath! :laugh:
I clicked that link too smart ballix. Either way the 'author' is a sly underhanded gobshite for putting the image there in the first place, and right at the start too.
Nah, the author just should have expected this reaction to the illustration from defenders of the faith.
Defenders of the faith? Another subconscious turn to the dark side there, Chris. JP is rubbing his hands in delight.
And it's yet another one that works perfectly as a J.Priest reference too! Not to be confused with J.Priestley, of course *swoon*
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 10, 2021, 12:23:16 PM
Nah, the author just should have expected this reaction to the illustration from defenders of the faith.
Your arguments are getting thinner than a trannys hairline lad.
"Defenders of the faith". That description is dripping in irony.
If you clicked on the image credit link provided by the author but only told us about your elaborate and pointless wild goose chase, was that being underhand or covering up a silly mistake? Personally, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;)
Quote from: Blackout on May 10, 2021, 12:54:09 PM
"Defenders of the faith". That description is dripping in irony.
Watson enters, stage right.
You're about as enlightening and funny as cancer.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 10, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
If you clicked on the image credit link provided by the author but only told us about your elaborate and pointless wild goose chase, was that being underhand or covering up a silly mistake? Personally, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;)
The photo and the link provided bring you to exactly the same place. Why would I bother typing that out?
Edit: Just to placate you Herr Kristoph....
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 10, 2021, 12:43:47 PM
And it's yet another one that works perfectly as a J.Priest reference too! Not to be confused with J.Priestley, of course *swoon*
If I was less retarded I'd find a picture of The Trve JP dressed head to toe (Head 2 Toe, remember that!?) in black leather S&M gear. But I'm not less retarded, unfortunately. I'm exactly this retarded.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 10, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 10, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
If you clicked on the image credit link provided by the author but only told us about your elaborate and pointless wild goose chase, was that being underhand or covering up a silly mistake? Personally, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;)
The photo and the link provided bring you to exactly the same place. Why would I bother typing that out?
I just find it pretty amusing over all. Imagine if you and those of your leaning put even half as much time into trying to source, say, the fabricated, socially toxic BS that was being spread in the aftermath of the Nkencho killing as you put into sourcing whether a particular runner-boot existed! Of course, sourcing that toxic BS did genuinely require bending over backwards, reverse google searching, forum scraping, etc., whereas in this case all that was actually required to discover the picture was photoshopped was to click on the image credit link provided by the author as part of the piece.
Yet, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall any condemnation of those hidden sources behind the Nkencho xenophobia stoking BS to match this characterization of someone who photoshopped an item of footwear:
Quotea sly underhanded gobshite
Reason to pause for reflection perhaps??
Is that website promoting the nationalist stuff not a bit like the Guaranteed Irish logo anyway? I didn't look at it, just going by the quotes
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 10, 2021, 02:33:52 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 10, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 10, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
If you clicked on the image credit link provided by the author but only told us about your elaborate and pointless wild goose chase, was that being underhand or covering up a silly mistake? Personally, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;)
The photo and the link provided bring you to exactly the same place. Why would I bother typing that out?
I just find it pretty amusing over all. Imagine if you and those of your leaning put even half as much time into trying to source, say, the fabricated, socially toxic BS that was being spread in the aftermath of the Nkencho killing as you put into sourcing whether a particular runner-boot existed! Of course, sourcing that toxic BS did genuinely require bending over backwards, reverse google searching, forum scraping, etc., whereas in this case all that was actually required to discover the picture was photoshopped was to click on the image credit link provided by the author as part of the piece.
Yet, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall any condemnation of those hidden sources behind the Nkencho xenophobia stoking BS to match this characterization of someone who photoshopped an item of footwear:
Quotea sly underhanded gobshite
Reason to pause for reflection perhaps??
Emmanuele's on his first rap already I read a few weeks back. Ping!
Some gobshites on the internet being knobs, I doubt they were writing articles for a subscription fee either?
Quote de Herr Kristoph: Reason to pause for reflection perhaps??
Unfortunately I don't get paid for the education I provide here. More's the pity... 8)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 10, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
If you clicked on the image credit link provided by the author but only told us about your elaborate and pointless wild goose chase, was that being underhand or covering up a silly mistake? Personally, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;)
This, and this alone is why you are entrenched firmly in the 1%...
Did anybody see the story about the Galway councillor and the anti-homeless benches? seems like it would go in this thread, as the attempt at PC has caused some offence.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 10, 2021, 04:04:01 PM
Did anybody see the story about the Galway councillor and the anti-homeless benches? seems like it would go in this thread, as the attempt at PC has caused some offence.
I'm sure the usual contrarian dickheads will defend it even if actual disabled people were offended by it.
I'm actually surprised that someone would be on a bad enough buzz in general to commission benches with the brief that a homeless person can't sleep on them. Solve the homeless crisis, give em nowhere to sleep! The misery.
Dawkins vs Brendan O Connor, anyone? Great to see Richard standing up for his comments after going to the trouble of making them in the first place. Then again, admitting one was wrong seems like a good trait to have rather than doubling down.
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Quote from: astfgyl on May 12, 2021, 10:38:22 AM
Dawkins vs Brendan O Connor, anyone? Great to see Richard standing up for his comments after going to the trouble of making them in the first place. Then again, admitting one was wrong seems like a good trait to have rather than doubling down.
Brendan made him sound like a complete idiot - and fair play to him for that - by insisting that Dawkins give some kind of scientific justification for the claim he made. Which he couldn't do. His own tweets demonstrably increase suffering in the world, so him tweeting is immoral by his own idiotic logic.
It was an idiotic tweet he had sent out that time and he had neither the evidence nor the stones to back it up. A right bad doing for Dawkins.
A couple of things wrong here
https://twitter.com/i/status/1392838817011290113
I presume it's a pisstake designed to give maximum offence to those who wish to receive it
Whatever it was, it's been taken down.
Fuck that didn't take long. Ok it was a white van driving past a load of americans (not americans, I had the sound off, whoops) with Israeli Flags and the van had "Queers for Palestine" (it didn't, I was getting mixed up with another thing I was looking at which said that but it had something about gay something) written on the front, and "Hitler was right" written on the side. It was also flying the Palestinian flag. Needless to say, the crowd were unhappy. (And the lads in the van were gloriously conflicted)
Quote from: astfgyl on May 13, 2021, 04:04:15 PM
Fuck that didn't take long. Ok it was a white van driving past a load of americans with Israeli Flags and the van had "Queers for Palestine" written on the front, and "Hitler was right" written on the side. It was also flying the Palestinian flag. Needless to say, the crowd were unhappy.
Saw that, brilliant. All that stuff is on Telegram which is great for people who don't want to use FB or Twitshit...
Some really good channels on Telegram actually...
https://telegram.download-program.ru/
Tho non-Jewgle version ^^^
A trans child is like a vegan cat. Everyone knows who's making the decisions...
Dalai Lama 2021
White Goy Summer.... :laugh: oy vey
Hamas are the most irresponsible, immoral fuckers around. They launch rockets (largely ineffectually) at by far the most potent, militarily speaking, state in the region, knowing perfectly well that the reaction will cause their own people far more misery, destruction and death than their tinpot 'army' could ever hope to.
Israel has an unstable, siege mentality and an extremely itchy trigger finger, but sure we'll give them a reason to flex their muscles, might kill a granny or two if the Iron Dome doesn't work.
They get the sympathy vote so it's worth it from their point of view. Scumbags, utter scum.
As a response, I was going to say that your post is right but was kind of missing the bigger picture here. Instead, I'll just post something I had seen posted earlier by a Palestinian page, which can put it far better and more clearly than I can.
Quote
Despite years of ceasefires and truces, the siege of Gaza has never been lifted. Israel looks for any excuse to reignite its airstrikes, in this case to turn attention away from the Sheikh Jarrah evictions, an issue that was garnering global sympathy, and gain right-wing support ahead of likely 5th elections.
Over the past 15 years, Israel has regularly tormented and attacked Gaza. The pretexts change: they elected Hamas; they refused to be docile; they refused to recognize Israel; they fired rockets; they built tunnels to circumvent the siege; and on and on.
But each pretext is a red herring, because the truth of ghettos—what happens when you imprison 2 million people in a hundred and forty square miles, about a third of NYC, with no control of borders, almost no access to the sea, no real way in or out, and with drones buzzing overhead 24/7—is that, eventually, the ghetto will fight back. It was true in Soweto and Belfast, and it is true in Gaza.
We might not like Hamas or its methods, but that is not the same as accepting the proposition that Palestinians should supinely accept the denial of their right to exist as a free people in their ancestral homeland. It is not the same as accepting constant oppression, displacement, injustice, or the same as accepting the bombing of civilian buildings, a war crime being committed by a so-called democratic government.
Peace was achieved in Ireland and in South Africa because the US and the world put pressure on the stronger party, holding it accountable and ending its impunity, while dealing with groups like the IRA and the ANC, which engaged in guerrilla war and even terrorism. It is time for the US to stop its unconditional support for a fascist right-wing apartheid government and either reverse its policies or abandon its claim of being an honest broker.
Some reasonable points made there, although the 'ancestral homeland' bit is debatable, and you'd have ice in your veins not to sympathise to some degree with Palestinian civilians. Apartheid is a bit strong too, I'd argue, as over 20% if Israeli citizens are Arab, who are not obliged to serve in the IDF.
I'm not excusing Israeli overreaction and overkill either, and they certainly wouldn't be so smart without American backing. The point remains though, it's rather mindless to lash out with puny ordinance if it's going to be merely symbolic and get a high quality Air Force pummelling your paisans and a mechanised beast massing on your doorstep on a punitive exercise in return, whatever the rights and wrongs of it. The 'Ra would certainly have thought twice if the same treatment was meted out. There was little if any defending the Boers system, although I'm fond of them, but that's another kettle of fish.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 13, 2021, 08:43:58 PM
Some reasonable points made there, although the 'ancestral homeland' bit is debatable, and you'd have ice in your veins not to sympathise to some degree with Palestinian civilians. Apartheid is a bit strong too, I'd argue, as over 20% if Israeli citizens are Arab, who are not obliged to serve in the IDF.
I'm not excusing Israeli overreaction and overkill either, and they certainly wouldn't be so smart without American backing. The point remains though, it's rather mindless to lash out with puny ordinance if it's going to be merely symbolic and get a high quality Air Force pummelling your paisans and a mechanised beast massing on your doorstep on a punitive exercise in return, whatever the rights and wrongs of it. The 'Ra would certainly have thought twice if the same treatment was meted out. There was little if any defending the Boers system, although I'm fond of them, but that's another kettle of fish.
Yeah course. Ballymurphy, bloody Sunday and the numerous other atrocities the brits committed against nationalists in the North aside....
This is also the Brits' fault for reneging on a promise of land to the jews after the war, is it not? So, ya know, fuck the Brits.
When you blockade a country from being an actual country, and then build settlements and strip more of the land back what do you think is going to happen. People are going to fight back, even if it's meaningless.
What galls me even more is that we are the prime example of what needs to be done to achieve peace. And Israel won't do it as seemingly their government is a pack of cunts. Peace could be achieved but won't. Politicians as usual behind the carnage.
This might be the perfect time for it all to come to a head. A primed protesting mentality worldwide.
The building housing both Al Jazeera and the AP's media outlets in Gaza was given an hour to evacuate before an air-raid which has since demolished said building earlier today.
That should drum up some sympathy in the press for the Israeli plight.
A despicable move but what would you expect from an ass but a kick? Fuck Israel and any Jew cunt supporting this from anywhere in the world.
It mental what is going on with radio silence. Im surprised the UK - particularly England- are keeping quiet as they have quite a large Muslim population. Oh wait they don't control the money.
It's front page news everywhere:
https://www.bbc.com/news
Quote from: Blackout on May 15, 2021, 06:13:21 PM
It mental what is going on with radio silence.
:-\
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 15, 2021, 06:14:06 PM
It's front page news everywhere:
https://www.bbc.com/news
I was talking about government wise. No real condemnation unless I've missed it.
That's wanton out of the Israelis, they do t give a solitary shit, and that's coming from someone who is generally sympathetic to them.
It's not uncommon practice though, one of the first things NATO did in the bombing of Belgrade was raze the TV and radio towers to the ground. You can see why, if not excuse it, in that case. This is an own goal.
Quote from: open face surgery on May 15, 2021, 06:00:43 PM
A despicable move but what would you expect from an ass but a kick? Fuck Israel and any Jew cunt supporting this from anywhere in the world.
'And any Jew cunt'
Beautifully politically incorrect, I love it :)
The next word was the intended operative word in that but whatever.
I'd ride Rachel Riley
There are more non Jew supporters of Palestine attacks anyway, which is a large part of the problem.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 16, 2021, 08:59:55 AM
There are more non Jew supporters of Palestine attacks anyway, which is a large part of the problem.
Attacks on or by Palestine?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 16, 2021, 08:59:55 AM
There are more non Jew supporters of Palestine attacks anyway, which is a large part of the problem.
Anyone equating Hamas firing a couple rockets to the Israelis bombing buildings full of people really are some of the dumbest people on the planet.
In my view, invading forces don't have rights in the country they are invading.
It's not a couple of rockets, it's hundreds, and they did start it the present conflagration. Hamas are choirboys compared to the IDF, CHOIRBOYS!, but the Israelis, as is their wont, completely overreact. If they know where the militant tunnels are, as they say they do, hit back there. Netanyahu justifying the razing of that tower is nauseating. They are their own worst enemy, not the (brave) tinpot fighters on the other side.
I'll say it again. If people invade my country, they can expect to be resisted. If I am a young Palestinian lad and these imperialist pigs kill and maim my family then rockets are the least of their worries.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 16, 2021, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 16, 2021, 08:59:55 AM
There are more non Jew supporters of Palestine attacks anyway, which is a large part of the problem.
Attacks on or by Palestine?
On.
I'm referring to the likes of your mate Trump plus the entire US evangelical movement, including its overseas extensions, because the whole Zionist schtick is more a christian than a jewish thing; literally trying to set the wheels of the book of Revelations in motion. Fanatics, far more dangerous on the global whole than Hamas.
I'd love to hear you call one of the Jews in Israel a Christian.
Quote from: Blackout on May 16, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
I'd love to hear you call one of the Jews in Israel a Christian.
You really do come out with the oddest statements sometimes. But funnily enough, I was just about to post this...
Here's an example of what is called "Messianic Jew" literature; it features Jews, in Israel and elsewhere, who recognize Jesus as Messiah (hence the name), but is also fully on-board with Jews who don't, plus the entire Zionist schtick. The target audience of this literature is not, however, primarily Jews, "Messianic" or otherwise, but rather evangelical christians. The goal (more than likely a good faith goal too, because these people are properly disconnected from reality) is to give constant reminders to christian supporters in the west that the Israel project is part of God's divine plan (specifically the part involving the second coming of Christ), and that the likes of Hamas and Palestine are an obstacle to this. Israel can do no wrong and never has according to this literature. And boy did they love Trump when he came along; this dates from 2017, so you can only imagine the empowering and emboldening joy they experienced when in 2018 he went ahead and moved the embassy to Jerusalem:
http://maoz.convio.net/site/DocServer/1017_Spread.pdf?docID=6302
Just have a wee scan through there. Pence and co, that's the audience. And there are millions and millions of them in the US and de facto US overseas colonies.
K
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 16, 2021, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Blackout on May 16, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
I'd love to hear you call one of the Jews in Israel a Christian.
You really do come out with the oddest statements sometimes. But funnily enough, I was just about to post this...
Here's an example of what is called "Messianic Jew" literature; it features Jews, in Israel and elsewhere, who recognize Jesus as Messiah (hence the name), but is also fully on-board with Jews who don't, plus the entire Zionist schtick. The target audience of this literature is not, however, primarily Jews, "Messianic" or otherwise, but rather evangelical christians. The goal (more than likely a good faith goal too, because these people are properly disconnected from reality) is to give constant reminders to christian supporters in the west that the Israel project is part of God's divine plan (specifically the part involving the second coming of Christ), and that the likes of Hamas and Palestine are an obstacle to this. Israel can do no wrong and never has according to this literature. And boy did they love Trump when he came along; this dates from 2017, so you can only imagine the empowering and emboldening joy they experienced when in 2018 he went ahead and moved the embassy to Jerusalem:
http://maoz.convio.net/site/DocServer/1017_Spread.pdf?docID=6302
Just have a wee scan through there. Pence and co, that's the audience. And there are millions and millions of them in the US and de facto US overseas colonies.
And who would you imagine was/is responsible for that particular move, as genius as it is?
It's the biblical capital of Israel, so I would imagine a group of same-minded people - christians and jews alike wishing to see Israel restored to its old testament state, for slightly diverging reasons - was responsible.
Who benefits the most from it being pushed as part of the selective, cut and paste doctrine of the evangelical churches? It's a slightly whimsical and wholly rhetorical question so save your fingers.
Better an evangelical than a miserable nihilist addicted to complaining and outrage (not a dig at any user). At least the former have some kind of code.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 16, 2021, 03:45:37 PM
Better an evangelical than a miserable nihilist addicted to complaining and outrage (not a dig at any user). At least the former have some kind of code.
Erm.... What is it you actually think evangelicals do?
What do they do? What are you asking, precisely, or is it rhetorical?
I think he's implying that they're addicted to complaining and outrage.
They're also addicted to the end of the world which, if you strip them of the fairy tale they think that will entail, is pretty nihilistic.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 16, 2021, 04:39:34 PM
They're also addicted to the end of the world which, if you strip them of the fairy tale they think that will entail, is pretty nihilistic.
Right on both counts. He mustn't remember previous moral panics and buys into Jordan Petersons notion it that outrage created by those pesky Marxists in Liberal colleges.
I'm really sick of hearing about Palestine. There are conflicts all over the world ongoing at the moment and all I ever hear about is that tiny little shit pit. The virtue signalling on Facebook is truly sickening. I had one lad yesterday bleating on about how he's going to boycott the Wonder Woman film. A girl went around Lidl trying to find Israeli fruit and veg to boycott. It might be time for me to get rid of Facebook.
Quote from: hellfire on May 16, 2021, 11:30:32 PM
I'm really sick of hearing about Palestine. There are conflicts all over the world ongoing at the moment and all I ever hear about is that tiny little shit pit. The virtue signalling on Facebook is truly sickening. I had one lad yesterday bleating on about how he's going to boycott the Wonder Woman film. A girl went around Lidl trying to find Israeli fruit and veg to boycott. It might be time for me to get rid of Facebook.
Damn. That jew fruit or, "Jewt" as I like to call it is so feckin tasty too...
Quote from: lifeeternal on May 16, 2021, 10:26:55 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 16, 2021, 04:39:34 PM
They're also addicted to the end of the world which, if you strip them of the fairy tale they think that will entail, is pretty nihilistic.
Right on both counts. He mustn't remember previous moral panics and buys into Jordan Petersons notion it that outrage created by those pesky Marxists in Liberal colleges.
A snooty, ostentatious dismissal of people's sincerely held beliefs by the oh-so-clever-professor followed by some confused sycophancy with a cursory dig at Dr. Peterson (all members of the basket of déplorables!). Rapier sharp, boyz, well done.
If you read Jefferson's interpretation of the bible (pffft, not likely, amirite), which does strip away all the what you call 'fairy tales', it's about as far from nihilism as you can get. I'm not a religious man, but social justice, Jesus style, is preferable to online Stasi if you ask me.
How many of the evangelicals who believe the Jews must all return to Israel before Christ can return do you think are familiar with Jefferson's (rather common protestant) pragmatic interpretation of the bible? The one "fairy tale" I was referring to is the book of Revelations. Have you read that perchance?
Yes.
Who knows, maybe they'll be proven right.
Maybe Kev, maybe. In which case, if they're right, we'll see each other in hell, because that's where they all think we're going for eternity. Whatever about being fairy tales or not, they're certainly grim!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgv-qBBT3Y
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 17, 2021, 11:11:30 AM
Maybe Kev, maybe. In which case, if they're right, we'll see each other in hell, because that's where they all think we're going for eternity. Whatever about being fairy tales or not, they're certainly grim!
I could never understand the attraction of the doom and gloom, or why Calvin, Zwingli and these boys had so many adherents. At least us papes make it easy to get into heaven, relatively speaking!
Yep, very easy. All one has to do is sell their soul out to false idols for life and go against pretty much the whole message in the book that they are supposed to be basing their belief system on and then they get into heaven. It used to be purgatory first for a long time, but thankfully God's emissary on earth abolished in God's stead so it's all good and directly into heaven for all who make the right donations now. Jesus wept.
As for Israel and Palestine, they are both wrong in many many ways. They will also never sort it out because their respective religious beliefs prevent them from doing so, so that's fucked as well.
I know, I know, The Guardian, but.....
No more car wash attendants and tissue sellers please...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/17/new-zealand-to-cut-low-skill-immigration-and-refocus-on-wealthy
Oh Adolf, you little scamp....
The 'trans community'.
I don't know which word is more sickening to me, trans or community, at this stage.
The white community. The heterosexual community. No, me neither.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 18, 2021, 12:39:16 PM
I don't know which word is more sickening to me, trans or community, at this stage.
Who gives a flying fuck which of those two particular words are more sickening to you if they are the two things that jump out at you as most sickening from that latest spurt of diarrhoea KC has shat onto the forum. He makes Nixer look like Jeremy fucking Paxman.
Settle petal
You could have said the same to yourself above when you took umbrage at me referring to a book about angels, demons, and seven-headed monsters as a "fairy tale".
Apparently, according to your totally warped brain, one can have "sincerely held beliefs", that it is rude to critique, about fantastical visions of the apocalypse, but if another believes they belong to a different gender than their physical one, that person is sick. Hum, hum.
'Totally warped brain'
Miow!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 18, 2021, 12:58:22 PM
You could have said the same to yourself above when you took umbrage at me referring to a book about angels, demons, and seven-headed monsters as a "fairy tale".
When was the last time you went more than three days without being indignant about something on the Internet? Take a week off every now and then, you might be able to cut back on blood pressure medication later.
I just hope ye don't sincerely believe this and it's all a contrarian wind-up, edgy 15 year old style. So many falling over themselves to defend the nasty stuff and then crying foul once the smallest bit of scrutiny is applied.
Rarely have the patience to be weighing in on this bad-faith nonsense, as I reckon is the case with a fair few others. It's been pointed out a few times but it really is just the tabloid outrage thread.
Good man.
LOL. cannot wait to see this
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/18/sport/transgender-women-rugby-france-spt-intl/index.html
Quote from: Blackout on May 18, 2021, 07:30:49 PM
LOL. cannot wait to see this
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/18/sport/transgender-women-rugby-france-spt-intl/index.html
Gonna be neck breaking stuff for sure.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 18, 2021, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 18, 2021, 12:39:16 PM
I don't know which word is more sickening to me, trans or community, at this stage.
Who gives a flying fuck which of those two particular words are more sickening to you if they are the two things that jump out at you as most sickening from that latest spurt of diarrhoea KC has shat onto the forum. He makes Nixer look like Jeremy fucking Paxman.
Uffffffffff, so much steam.... :-X
Completely idiotic and highly dangerous, but so, so predictable.
In fairness, tis a good thread this. Allows for the vent of a lot of spleen.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 19, 2021, 07:54:46 AM
In fairness, tis a good thread this.
It really isn't.
And yet, you're all drawn to it on a daily basis.
THE FAX SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, NOXER, ME OL SAUSAGE!
Think you need to concentrate on lowering yourself safely into manholes and leave the investigative work to someone else Sherlock me auld flower.
I see the aul dreaded heroin has riddled Demi Lovato's brain now too. My gawd, is there no end to this crap?
If someone is non binary, how would they describe their sexuality? If you were born a man, fancied women but then because non binary and still fancied women would you still be hetrosexual? I know they say gender and sexuality are different things but there's kinda a link.
Actually, I don't know why I bother thinking to deeply about it as I'm sure its only a minescure % of people and not every third person as twitter would have you believe.
I wonder what % of people claiming to be non-binary alphabet spaghetti are suffering from PTSD.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on May 19, 2021, 01:55:33 PM
If someone is non binary, how would they describe their sexuality? If you were born a man, fancied women but then because non binary and still fancied women would you still be hetrosexual? I know they say gender and sexuality are different things but there's kinda a link.
Actually, I don't know why I bother thinking to deeply about it as I'm sure its only a minescure % of people and not every third person as twitter would have you believe.
Plus it made the "entertainment" section. I find it entertaining in how shit it is.
This person clearly thinks that she can appeal to a massive audience outside her usual overweight, prosseco-drinking divorcèe fans.
Quote from: Blackout on May 19, 2021, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on May 19, 2021, 01:55:33 PM
If someone is non binary, how would they describe their sexuality? If you were born a man, fancied women but then because non binary and still fancied women would you still be hetrosexual? I know they say gender and sexuality are different things but there's kinda a link.
Actually, I don't know why I bother thinking to deeply about it as I'm sure its only a minescure % of people and not every third person as twitter would have you believe.
Plus it made the "entertainment" section. I find it entertaining in how shit it is.
This person clearly thinks that she can appeal to a massive audience outside her usual overweight, prosseco-drinking divorcèe fans.
Waistist....
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on May 19, 2021, 01:55:33 PM
If someone is non binary, how would they describe their sexuality? If you were born a man, fancied women but then because non binary and still fancied women would you still be hetrosexual? I know they say gender and sexuality are different things but there's kinda a link.
Actually, I don't know why I bother thinking to deeply about it as I'm sure its only a minescure % of people and not every third person as twitter would have you believe.
Its really as u say a tiny percentage of people. I've not encountered one. Same with trans issues. Only spoken really to one trans person for any length of time. Asked them their name and just called them that. Can't fathom why some get so bothered by it.
Bloody Denmark, looking to think of its own citizens first....
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57156835
+-Bit off from whatever is happening in this thread of late but I picked up Frankie Boyle's book in a charity shop yesterday and it's a wonderful counterpoint to most of what is going on in the media nowadays. It's offensive for the sake of it, it's stupid and it's pretty funny. Amazing to think it was only published 10 years ago and how ridiculous it has all gotten since. I'm no massive fan of his either and I found his thing got boring fast back in the day but as a time capsule it's really interesting to see how so many of the things he joked about then have become the sad reality of our times. He even mentions Israel/Gaza in the intro and nothing has changed, mentions gender dysphoria and nothing has changed, mentions the culture of taking offence and nothing has changed, censorship the same. Well when I say not changed, it sort of has as it has been amplified 10,000 times but the same basic shite behind it all. Just mad to think it was so recent but seems like a lifetie ago. Was worth the euro for that
BREAKING.!.!!
Two feds been blasted in Blanch....
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(https://imgur.com/a/R9wqbhP)
Could the arseholes at BBC Sport have one day without woke propaganda plastered all over the newsfeed? Yeah, the pansexual Ethiopian breaking cultural norms in their equivalent of Junior B soccer is great but sure put it a bit lower than the champions league final will ye?
Lots of countries getting offended by Roman Protasevich being whipped off the ryanair flight and most of them have conveniently forgotten about the parallels with what is happening/has happened to Julian Assange.
Anyone see the mostly peaceful shooting at the St George of Fentanyl cenotaph yesterday?
;D
The one who head butted the mostly peaceful bullet?
I
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 26, 2021, 11:27:03 AM
Anyone see the mostly peaceful shooting at the St George of Fentanyl cenotaph yesterday?
;D
I didn't see it but by all accounts it was mostly peaceful and I have good reason to trust the sources, as they are the same places I heard that the 6th January was a violent insurrection and on a par with WTC destruction and Oklahoma bombing in terms of offences against the state.
You mean the unrelated shooting?
QuoteDozens of bullets flew in George Floyd Square in Minneapolis just after 10 a.m. during an apparent parking dispute, leaving one person injured — only a few hours before the street was set to be turned into a family-friendly festival in memory of the slain black man.
And that's straight from favored conservative tabloid rag the New York Post:
https://nypost.com/2021/05/25/possible-gunshots-reported-at-george-floyd-square/
Soon some of you won't have to type posts anymore; the drool will do it for you.
'George Floyd Square', really?
This asshole is getting the Nelson Mandela treatment the last few days . Serious Christian flavour to proceedings, all the solemnity etc.
A lot of people, millions I'd argue, got worse and more unjust deaths than this absolute fucking knacker, but sure who gives a shit about them?
Beware of false prophets.
I know you're up in heaven smokin' a joint with TuPac and Bob Marley bro, chalk it down, yaaaa.
The shooting was a tribute to the joy George Floyd brought to so many people. Fly over rainbow Bridge little angle xx
To tap back into the tranny/paedo debacle again...
The word 'paedophile' is to be phased out as it has now deemed to be 'non inclusive'....
MAP (minor attracted person) is the new pseudonym they have come up with. A less alerting name you would say.
What's the bets that within the next 5 years or so our peado friends will be up on those sex degenerate rainbow floats shaking their willys and ass at you with all their other LGBTHIV+ buddyies.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2021, 12:23:23 PM
You mean the unrelated shooting?
QuoteDozens of bullets flew in George Floyd Square in Minneapolis just after 10 a.m. during an apparent parking dispute, leaving one person injured — only a few hours before the street was set to be turned into a family-friendly festival in memory of the slain black man.
And that's straight from favored conservative tabloid rag the New York Post:
https://nypost.com/2021/05/25/possible-gunshots-reported-at-george-floyd-square/
Soon some of you won't have to type posts anymore; the drool will do it for you.
So why report it as mostly peaceful then instead of fully peaceful?
Even if the protests weren't peaceful at all (I have no idea), the shooting was unrelated in both time and cause.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 26, 2021, 12:58:15 PM
To tap back into the tranny/paedo debacle again...
The word 'paedophile' is to be phased out as it has now deemed to be 'non inclusive'....
MAP (minor attracted person) is the new pseudonym they have come up with. A less alerting name you would say.
What's the bets that within the next 5 years or so our peado friends will be up on those sex degenerate rainbow floats shaking their willys and ass at you with all their other LGBTHIV+ buddyies.
And the resident Woke Wizard will be on here defending them.
It's tabloid trash that's been doing the rounds for a couple of years now, right down to the idea of them being included on floats in pride parades. Don't be thinking KC is having original thoughts like.
That picture of a bunch of antifa cranks unfurling a banner with 'no peado bashing' was probably a hoax too, but they definitely have their apologists, they are born that way inclined etc. Which I'd fair enough as long as immediate and permanent castration is carried out.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2021, 03:32:50 PM
It's tabloid trash that's been doing the rounds for a couple of years now, right down to the idea of them being included on floats in pride parades. Don't be thinking KC is having original thoughts like.
You are one very strange fruit lad....
https://www.shethepeople.tv/blog/rebranding-pedophiles-minor-attracted-people/
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 26, 2021, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2021, 03:32:50 PM
It's tabloid trash that's been doing the rounds for a couple of years now, right down to the idea of them being included on floats in pride parades. Don't be thinking KC is having original thoughts like.
You are one very strange fruit lad....
https://www.shethepeople.tv/blog/rebranding-pedophiles-minor-attracted-people/
Is you posting a link to an opinion article on a tabloid blog site that cites zero sources supposed to be a rebuttal to me saying that the story is tabloid trash? Well done chap, well done. Nicely demonstrating not only how your head is full of scutter, but also why you don't even realize it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2021, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 26, 2021, 04:56:48 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2021, 03:32:50 PM
It's tabloid trash that's been doing the rounds for a couple of years now, right down to the idea of them being included on floats in pride parades. Don't be thinking KC is having original thoughts like.
You are one very strange fruit lad....
https://www.shethepeople.tv/blog/rebranding-pedophiles-minor-attracted-people/
Is you posting a link to an opinion article on a tabloid blog site that cites zero sources supposed to be a rebuttal to me saying that the story is tabloid trash? Well done chap, well done. Nicely demonstrating not only how your head is full of scutter, but also why you don't even realize it.
https://lgbta.wikia.org/wiki/Pedophile
Daily Reich...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466899/amp/Paedophiles-rebrand-minor-attracted-persons-chilling-online-propaganda-drive.html
BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41213657
You're more likely to go to jail nowadays for not wearing a mask on your face than for having sexual images of children on your pc/laptop....
Way too many suspended sentences being handed out to these paedos....
So, back to your tabloid trash claims:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 26, 2021, 12:58:15 PM
The word 'paedophile' is to be phased out as it has now deemed to be 'non inclusive'....
MAP (minor attracted person) is the new pseudonym they have come up with.
What's the bets that within the next 5 years or so our peado friends will be up on those sex degenerate rainbow floats shaking their willys and ass at you with all their other LGBTHIV+ buddyies.
Strange how the LGBT+ community seems to have no problem being ultra exclusionary with regards to paedophilia then, isn't it?
Quote from: Kurt Cocainehttps://lgbta.wikia.org/wiki/Pedophile
QuotePedophiles are not LGBT+
For some time now, pedophiles who refuse to accept the moral criminality have attempted to rebrand themselves as part of the LGBTQ+ community, however there is a difference between a sexuality and a mental illness such as pedophilic disorder.
When one attempts to normalize the attraction to minors, it increases the chances of a pedophile feeling it's okay to act on their urges, and it is an act of criminal immorality as people such as minors or animals do not have the mental capacity to understand the consequences and severity of consent.
The LGBTQ+ community has often been criticized and ostracized for not accepting pedophiles, but pedophilia is not a sexuality, and can not be defined as such by scientific or academic means. It is not a gender identity or expression either.
And then we have a BBC interview with a single individual, who is I guess what that same LGBT wiki article refers to as a NoMAP. Maybe they have more time for them?
QuoteNoMAPs, standing for Non-offensive Minor Attracted Person, are those who are registered sex offenders or those who have thoughts of sexual arousal to minors but claim not to have come in sexual contact with minors. However, they more likely than not refuse to seek professional treatment for their mental disorder. Although with this information they are strictly not considered LGBT+. These individuals are commonly seen with being "pro-contact" even if they themselves are not willing to go forth with their arousal, those who are also NoMAP may still wish to allow adults to be with minors or do pedophilic acts with minors, another key reason as to why the LGBT+ community does not allow this into the community.
Nope, not at all!
So, what are we left with at the end? Tabloid trash. Get out.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 26, 2021, 12:58:15 PM
What's the bets that within the next 5 years or so our peado friends will be up on those sex degenerate rainbow floats shaking their willys and ass at you with all their other LGBTHIV+ buddyies.
Some Grade A1 bullshit there lad. And the HIV and denegrate rainbow comment just shows your own prejudices for what they are. You need to grow the fuck up. But hey post another fucking bullshit tabloid nonsense piece.
He has crowbarred a load of peado and gay bollocks into a few threads. The big girl's blouse doth protest too much!?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2021, 02:32:59 PM
Even if the protests weren't peaceful at all (I have no idea), the shooting was unrelated in both time and cause.
Going to be honest here and say I only saw the bit of outrage online and didn't read anything about it at all. Far as I'd have heard by myself the protest/commemoration didn't even happen never mind what might have went on at it. I made a dig at the biased media but to be fair it applies to all sources, there's an angle there somewhere with them all. Of course it's never been any different either it's just more obvious these with so many on all sides ready to call out everything else.
We have reached a bad oul time in general, where everything is taken too seriously and offence is given and taken without any need at all including from and by myself along with the rest of the world. I think it might have something to do with everything being a written statement instead of some shit someone said or along those lines. I mean, here's me going on about George Floyd and I neither black nor american so really do I give a fuck at all.
And while we're here what is better about saying People of Colour vs Coloured People or Coloureds? Same shit really saying they are any colour other than white, as if white is the gold standard they all measure themselves by or something. Silly stuff again. I'm a person of colour too last time I checked. Sort of light pink-ish or something. Some load of bollix on all sides of it really, all of the stuff that applies in this thread anyone with a brain can't be taking it too seriously at either extreme
Can't we all just take the piss out of eachother without being offended. Ya bunch of cunts
Quote from: Blackout on May 26, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Can't we all just take the piss out of eachother without being offended. Ya bunch of cunts
Anyone who has ever said that to me has always gotten upset the moment I start talking about wanting to spit roast their auld lad.
I knew a lad be a general prick in work one time, said everything was fair game, called everyone in there every name under the sun, purposefully agitated everyone and played the simple fool when pulled on it. Constantly made Nazi cracks to a German girl even when she asked him to stop, she ended up pulling him to a manager on it, he played dumb and went back at it the same day. Kept making out that another lad's dead sister was a scumbag until he lost the plot with him another day, same shit, "I never said anything I dunno why he took it like that". So I took him up on his fair game statement one day and started making out he was a child molester, making cracks around other staff to keep the kids away from him, he likes them young that lad etc etc. It took two days but he got so thick he grabbed me up by the collar and threatened me, I told him "I dunno what you're talking about", he went to management, they told him there was nothing they could do, he stormed out. Bit of greif from it all and a silent word off my own manager but they knew his form so it was mostly ignored. He turned back up in work the next day or so and spent a solid month ignoring me, wouldn't bother trying his craic on anyone when I was there either - not because I stopped him or anything, he was absolutely not afraid of me and would definitely have kicked the shit out of me, but because I soured his fun for him. Anyway he softened up a while later, the apologies were made, the cans had, all well.
My point is everyone has a tipping point, even lads who say they are the most impossible to offend, they mostly just don't like being made feel weak.
So you're saying that Kurt Cocaine is a convicted pederast. Is that what I'm reading here?
Quote from: Blackout on May 26, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Can't we all just take the piss out of eachother without being offended.
It's not about being offended, it's about not being so wantonly naïve that you convince yourself sharing made up bullshit online whose only function is to direct real world hatred towards certain individuals and/or groups - an activity that is otherwise known as doing the bidding of unconscionable dickheads - is something that doesn't have any consequences. It does. KC's drivel doesn't offend me, but it's a symptom of something that concerns me and that makes the real world we all have to live in a much more unpleasant place to live than it need be. To make an analogy, I wouldn't be "offended" if I heard of someone I know repeatedly pouring toxic industrial waste into a lake for shits and giggles, but I would do what I could to stop them continuing, down to smacking them over the head with the drum of waste if they're too immature (likely, given what they're doing) to respond to reasoned explanation.
Corporate 'inclusivity' ( which is NOT genuine in my opinion) doesn't offend me, in fact it's so crass in its attempt to keep up appearances that it gives me a chuckle when I'm breezing through certain websites.
The BBC is worse than CNN now, they just trip over themselves to have 'marginalised voices' heard at all times and all costs.
Ochills story reminds me of a German friend of mine who is an arch piss-taker. Himself and his bird came over to Madrid to visit a couple of years ago, so we went out for lunch with my young lad, whose mother is a Polak. Says he
'What are you going to do with him in summer'?
'I have him booked into a summer camp for July there'
A large, toothy grin just envelopes his face.
'What'?
'Nothing, nothing'
'What'?
'It makes me smile you know, Polish guys going to camps, you understand'?
😂😂😂
Quote from: ochoill on May 26, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Blackout on May 26, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Can't we all just take the piss out of eachother without being offended. Ya bunch of cunts
Anyone who has ever said that to me has always gotten upset the moment I start talking about wanting to spit roast their auld lad.
Can't we all just take the piss out of each other without being offended?
Quote from: ochoill on May 26, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Blackout on May 26, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Can't we all just take the piss out of eachother without being offended. Ya bunch of cunts
Anyone who has ever said that to me has always gotten upset the moment I start talking about wanting to spit roast their auld lad.
I knew a lad be a general prick in work one time, said everything was fair game, called everyone in there every name under the sun, purposefully agitated everyone and played the simple fool when pulled on it. Constantly made Nazi cracks to a German girl even when she asked him to stop, she ended up pulling him to a manager on it, he played dumb and went back at it the same day. Kept making out that another lad's dead sister was a scumbag until he lost the plot with him another day, same shit, "I never said anything I dunno why he took it like that". So I took him up on his fair game statement one day and started making out he was a child molester, making cracks around other staff to keep the kids away from him, he likes them young that lad etc etc. It took two days but he got so thick he grabbed me up by the collar and threatened me, I told him "I dunno what you're talking about", he went to management, they told him there was nothing they could do, he stormed out. Bit of greif from it all and a silent word off my own manager but they knew his form so it was mostly ignored. He turned back up in work the next day or so and spent a solid month ignoring me, wouldn't bother trying his craic on anyone when I was there either - not because I stopped him or anything, he was absolutely not afraid of me and would definitely have kicked the shit out of me, but because I soured his fun for him. Anyway he softened up a while later, the apologies were made, the cans had, all well.
My point is everyone has a tipping point, even lads who say they are the most impossible to offend, they mostly just don't like being made feel weak.
You're so brave. Well done....
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2021, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: Blackout on May 26, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Can't we all just take the piss out of eachother without being offended.
It's not about being offended, it's about not being so wantonly naïve that you convince yourself sharing made up bullshit online whose only function is to direct real world hatred towards certain individuals and/or groups - an activity that is otherwise known as doing the bidding of unconscionable dickheads - is something that doesn't have any consequences. It does. KC's drivel doesn't offend me, but it's a symptom of something that concerns me and that makes the real world we all have to live in a much more unpleasant place to live than it need be. To make an analogy, I wouldn't be "offended" if I heard of someone I know repeatedly pouring toxic industrial waste into a lake for shits and giggles, but I would do what I could to stop them continuing, down to smacking them over the head with the drum of waste if they're too immature (likely, given what they're doing) to respond to reasoned explanation.
Trying very hard to picture this scenario.... ::)
Quote from: open face surgery on May 26, 2021, 11:27:23 PM
So you're saying that Kurt Cocaine is a convicted pederast. Is that what I'm reading here?
In your fantasies maybe lad...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2021, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: Blackout on May 26, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Can't we all just take the piss out of eachother without being offended.
It's not about being offended, it's about not being so wantonly naïve that you convince yourself sharing made up bullshit online whose only function is to direct real world hatred towards certain individuals and/or groups - an activity that is otherwise known as doing the bidding of unconscionable dickheads - is something that doesn't have any consequences. It does. KC's drivel doesn't offend me, but it's a symptom of something that concerns me and that makes the real world we all have to live in a much more unpleasant place to live than it need be. To make an analogy, I wouldn't be "offended" if I heard of someone I know repeatedly pouring toxic industrial waste into a lake for shits and giggles, but I would do what I could to stop them continuing, down to smacking them over the head with the drum of waste if they're too immature (likely, given what they're doing) to respond to reasoned explanation.
So you're saying there's a chance....
Quote from: astfgyl on May 27, 2021, 07:29:04 AM
Quote from: ochoill on May 26, 2021, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Blackout on May 26, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Can't we all just take the piss out of eachother without being offended. Ya bunch of cunts
Anyone who has ever said that to me has always gotten upset the moment I start talking about wanting to spit roast their auld lad.
Can't we all just take the piss out of each other without being offended?
Lol Fuck
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 27, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
You're so brave. Well done....
I know you're only winding me but sure look, he got a taste of his own medicine. All in he wasn't a bad chap either and I ultimately got on quite well with him but very simply, if you dish it out, you better take it too.
Quote from: ochoill on May 27, 2021, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 27, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
You're so brave. Well done....
I know you're only winding me but sure look, he got a taste of his own medicine. All in he wasn't a bad chap either and I ultimately got on quite well with him but very simply, if you dish it out, you better take it too.
I hope he bought the cans? :laugh:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 27, 2021, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: ochoill on May 27, 2021, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 27, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
You're so brave. Well done....
I know you're only winding me but sure look, he got a taste of his own medicine. All in he wasn't a bad chap either and I ultimately got on quite well with him but very simply, if you dish it out, you better take it too.
I hope he bought the cans? :laugh:
Not the first time, no :laugh:
I have to add, I don't tell that story to put myself on some sort of superior moral ground to him, or anyone else, because I am not like that whatsoever and generally do not give the remotest fuck who or how people are so long as they are generally good form and not overly into themselves. Anyone who knows me in real life (possibly one person in this thread) knows I have no major moral judgement to pass on anyone and I enjoy a fairly bleak and ragged sense of humour about living. It just seemed like a story that fits with the theme of lads getting offended. I also can't watch someone act tough in the name of humour but not actually be able to take it back. The one armed waiter I suppose.
Quote from: ochoill on May 27, 2021, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 27, 2021, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: ochoill on May 27, 2021, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 27, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
You're so brave. Well done....
I know you're only winding me but sure look, he got a taste of his own medicine. All in he wasn't a bad chap either and I ultimately got on quite well with him but very simply, if you dish it out, you better take it too.
I hope he bought the cans? :laugh:
Not the first time, no :laugh:
I have to add, I don't tell that story to put myself on some sort of superior moral ground to him, or anyone else, because I am not like that whatsoever and generally do not give the remotest fuck who or how people are so long as they are generally good form and not overly into themselves. Anyone who knows me in real life (possibly one person in this thread) knows I have no major moral judgement to pass on anyone and I enjoy a fairly bleak and ragged sense of humour about living. It just seemed like a story that fits with the theme of lads getting offended. I also can't watch someone act tough in the name of humour but not actually be able to take it back. The one armed waiter I suppose.
Haha, I get ya man. No worries, all good. Great story actually... 8)
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 27, 2021, 07:35:55 AM
Quote from: open face surgery on May 26, 2021, 11:27:23 PM
So you're saying that Kurt Cocaine is a convicted pederast. Is that what I'm reading here?
In your fantasies maybe lad...
That'd be a very odd fantasy.
Quote from: open face surgery on May 27, 2021, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 27, 2021, 07:35:55 AM
Quote from: open face surgery on May 26, 2021, 11:27:23 PM
So you're saying that Kurt Cocaine is a convicted pederast. Is that what I'm reading here?
In your fantasies maybe lad...
That'd be a very odd fantasy.
There's a lot of odd people about. :P
What it really comes down to is knowing the difference between punching up and punching down. If you're punching down, you're being a dickhead and you deserve abuse. For me the biggest disappointment on "the left" was the amount of punching down that happened with respect to Leave voters, Trump voters, and so on. But returning to the local sphere of this forum, pretending with great feigned protest on the one hand that you care about some kid who is at an in-between stage of gender dysphoria when all evidence suggests that if that same kid does transition then they'll instantly be fair game for your cackling dickheadedness; well, that's being a hypocrite and a dickhead. And when the US army decides to take a certain approach with their recruiting, but instead of having a go at the army (punching up, see?), your punchline is a "joke" about the real life mother of the real life soldier being a "bulldyke"; well, that's being a cackling dickhead, see? And the same goes for so much of the absolute scutter ye post and/or cacklingly approve. It is shocking the frequency with which you are down-punching dickheads and yet then expect to be taken seriously when white knighting, say, kids you won't care about as soon as they turn 18 or American zionist christians.
Fascinating....
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2021, 09:52:50 AM
What it really comes down to is knowing the difference between punching up and punching down. If you're punching down, you're being a dickhead and you deserve abuse. For me the biggest disappointment on "the left" was the amount of punching down that happened with respect to Leave voters, Trump voters, and so on. But returning to the local sphere of this forum, pretending with great feigned protest on the one hand that you care about some kid who is at an in-between stage of gender dysphoria when all evidence suggests that if that same kid does transition then they'll instantly be fair game for your cackling dickheadedness; well, that's being a hypocrite and a dickhead. And when the US army decides to take a certain approach with their recruiting, but instead of having a go at the army (punching up, see?), your punchline is a "joke" about the real life mother of the real life soldier being a "bulldyke"; well, that's being a cackling dickhead, see? And the same goes for so much of the absolute scutter ye post and/or cacklingly approve. It is shocking the frequency with which you are down-punching dickheads and yet then expect to be taken seriously when white knighting, say, kids you won't care about as soon as they turn 18 or American zionist christians.
What a load of absolute shite!
You claimed that people who downvoted that army video by a huge ratio (people who don't think like you) are to be dismissed as not even suitable to be 'grunts'. The hypocrisy and your crass, suffocating arrogance is fucking nauseating.
And as for posting 'scutter'...nobody gets called out for shitposting, your signature dish, to anywhere near the extent that you do. David Brent springs to mind.
But sure you're operating on separate intellectual plane to the rest of us, right?
No, I said that the type of people who rally to a call to down-vote a YouTube video, apparently only because they don't like the fact that certain types of soldier genuinely exist, are unlikely to be useful to the army even as grunts, which just means foot-soldiers, as opposed to tactical personnel like the one featured in the video.
But the difference, that you once again don't get, is that all of those people were already engaged in bullying. You, as one of them, absolutely were, cackling away like an idiot. Having a go at an adult bully is always punching in the right direction. That doesn't require operating on a separate intellectual plane, just an ordinary, decent human one. The shite that you and KC share is exactly the same shite that is, and always has been, used to bully and attack individuals. So get fucked.
Quote from: Not a sad bully, honest
The like - dislike ratio of this video and the inevitable turning off of the comments under some lame arsed pretence. Beautiful 😂
'One must have two mommies, one a bulldyke, to be a great warrior'
- The Art of War
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2021, 12:52:43 PM
No, I said that the type of people who rally to a call to down-vote a YouTube video, apparently only because they don't like the fact that certain types of soldier genuinely exist, are unlikely to be useful to the army even as grunts, which just means foot-soldiers, as opposed to tactical personnel like the one featured in the video.
But the difference, that you once again don't get, is that all of those people were already engaged in bullying. You, as one of them, absolutely were, cackling away like an idiot. Having a go at an adult bully is always punching in the right direction. That doesn't require operating on a separate intellectual plane, just an ordinary, decent human one. The shite that you and KC share is exactly the same shite that is, and always has been, used to bully and attack individuals. So get fucked.
Rally to a call, what are you on about you sad case? You can't accept the fact that most people, the vast majority, disliked the video, thus you 'rationalised' it in your own irrational way, and you are not man enough to own it (or see the laughable hypocrisy in you 'punching down' on grunts as somehow below you and the bulldykes').
You fancy yourself, but you are unimpressive and unconvincing, with the exception of the COVID thread. So stay there if you want and shut the fuck up.
Who am I bullying? A cartoon bulldyke who happens to peruse the board? And you say we are white knighting. Fuck off.
I didn't punch down on grunts. I punched at keyboard warriors who fancy themselves to be good enough to be grunts. A little precision, please.
No, you said they wouldn't even be useful as grunts (and I quote). The insinuation is clear.
Because liberals who went to college have to be behind the lines with the tech stuff right?
As I explained in detail, the shallow misconception among the knuckle draggers down-voting and commenting the story all round the internet is that the only kind of soldier that exists is a shaved head, leather-boot wearing grunt. I didn't make the video paralleling with the Russian one, that came from your side. On top of grunts, the army also has to recruit tactical officers. It is logical to assume that a different approach would be needed to recruit for such positions.
By having no white males among the subjects? It's a box ticking exercise, and it's understandably being 'cackled' at worldwide.
What is a tactical officer? Great officers are often risen from the ranks if one observes ones history. Purchased commissions from well educated liberal aristocrats more often than not made arch bunglers and led to catastrophic defeat for the less elegant but but perhaps more capable men beneath them.
Since, like them or loathe them, I don't believe the US Army to be less intelligent than your average Proud Boy-style YouTube user, I believe what they're doing is far more strategic than a "box ticking exercise." Rather, I reckon it's a "woke-washing" exercise. Why? Because, at base, there are few things that could be less "woke" than joining the US military. But the US military needs to recruit from among an ever more liberal third-level educated class, in order to stay ahead in things like, just to mention one, AI. So, what do they do? Well, they do what they did. And as I also suggested, it is quite possible - since, once again, the US Army is not thick - that they even counted on reactions such as those of idiot Ted Cruz, because that would enable them to push back on someone with an even less woke appearance than they have. And that's how the US Army comes out of this looking woker, even though it absolutely isn't. If I had to guess at their strategy, I would say that was it. Ted Cruz and co were pawns, useful idiots, useful bullies.
Who is more offended by whom in this thread? Is hard to tell ;D
That's quite a stretch.
By the way, does Ted Cruz owe you money or something ? Lot of hate for the man.
Do you ever have one of those days where your boxers are pinching your barse? No matter how many times you pull them down and straighten them out they just keep clamping back down on the back of the bag. The only thing for it is to jump in the shower, give the ballbag a good hard scrub and put on a new pair of boxers. WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT, HUH???
That happened to me yesterday. One ball kept popping out while wearing suit trousers. I looked like I'd shit myself.
#humblebrag
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 28, 2021, 01:54:17 PM
That's quite a stretch.
The stretch is believing the contrary of this:
Quote
I don't believe the US Army to be less intelligent than your average Proud Boy-style YouTube user
;)
Boxer shorts that do that need to be burnt Andy. Or relegated to floor cloth status. Certainly none of them deserve to make the trip across the globe!
Well that's precisely the problem. They don't make it all the way across the globe, rather they get halfway and then jam up, pinching the rear scrote.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 28, 2021, 01:50:23 PM
Who is more offended by whom in this thread? Is hard to tell ;D
Is anyone genuinely offended in this thread? I thought everyone was just flexing.
I'm definitely on a semi but that might be to do with my boxers acting as a cock ring.
:laugh:
Lovely!
Go commando sir, boxers may never need to be your problem ever again.
Belarus has banned its citizens from leaving the country. Another wonderful socialist country to go with all the other wonderful socialist countries...
Belarus is about as socialist as these countries are democratic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic#Global_use_of_the_term
So, just to fix that for you:
Another wonderful authoritarian country to go with all the other wonderful authoritarian countries...
Socialism has a tendency to breed authoritarianism. It's other tendency is to not work.
I think you're getting mixed up, possibly because of the colour red, with lobsters; lobsters breed authoritarianism. I have it on very good, um, well, y'know.
You mean the Soviet Union being communist rather than socialist? Wrong!
As we used to shout at Goodison Park, 'if you know your history...' :)
Lobsters, red lobsters man; red like the jerseys of the reliable derby winners at Goodison Park!
Lads, your lobster analogy is way off. Lobsters are blue when they are alive, they only turn red when they are cooked.
BOOM!
MIC DROP...
The only good authoritarian is a cooked authoritarian!
Speaking of hateful despicable and irredeemable Nazis, I listened to a great chat between Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry earlier. It was incredibly interesting and quite positive and uplifting in tone. The two boys, while being nominally from opposite political backgrounds had a really great rapport. It felt like a real collaborative effort from both of them to get their ideas across. Well worth a listen.
So the problems in Belarus are because of socialism. Lads I have definitely heard it all now. No more internet for me.
Always amuses me when the usual woke, sjw morons take one thing out of context - such as the much ballyhooed lobster analogy - to attack JP OR anyone who maligns their poisonous ideologies.
Chris you talk about football like Mark Corrigan!
'We're going to really stick it in their goal hole'.
Quote from: Blackout on June 02, 2021, 04:23:26 PM
Always amuses me when the usual woke, sjw morons take one thing out of context - such as the much ballyhooed lobster analogy - to attack JP OR anyone who maligns their poisonous ideologies.
Just like Kev getting offended by the word "trans" in a post that was otherwise literally third reich ideology, you take as moronic an obviously
ironic reference to lobsters that was a riposte to the century-long ballyhooed blaming of "socialism" for various tyrannies. Did you get the bit where I referred to countries that have the word "democratic" in their name even though they aren't democratic at all? If so, then you got that I was saying it would be the height of stupidity to blame "democracy" for what happens in any of those countries, right? Well, the lobster thing was the same. Make a stupid claim, get a stupid answer; it's my new policy for this thread. Apparently I need to crank the stupidity up another notch to make it register though.
Says the man who claims the army will need more and more 'tactical officers'😂😂
You know that an officer is, for the most part, a commissioned soldier? I mean, all officers but also all men and NCOs could be used 'tactically', but if you are qualifying them it'd be cavalry, infantry etc. Pilots are almost exclusively officers. The girl being mocked from that video said she was a corporal which makes her an NCO, enlisted, not an officer. 'Tactical officers' 😂
You've cranked up the ignorance at least, fire away :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 02, 2021, 04:39:42 PM
Says the man who claims the army will need more and more 'tactical officers'😂😂
You know that an officer is, for the most part, a commissioned soldier? I mean, all officers but also all men and NCOs could be used 'tactically', but if you are qualifying them it'd be cavalry, infantry etc. Pilots are almost exclusively officers. The girl being mocked from that video said she was a corporal which makes her an NCO, enlisted, not an officer. 'Tactical officers' 😂
You've cranked up the ignorance at least, fire away :)
It was pretty clear what I was talking about. Here brainiac, have a look at the ASVAB requirements for infantry:
https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/career-match/ground-forces/firearms-ammunition/11b-infantryman.html
Compared to system operator (the role held by Emma Malonelord, the soldier the recruitment video was made about):
https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/career-match/aviation/detecting-aerial-threats/14g-air-defense-battle-management-system-officer.html
Obviously the domains are different, but those required results are percentiles. 87 in one category for infantryman versus 98 and 99 in two categories for system operator.
How many people down-voting that video on the basis of their comic book idea of soldiers, honestly now, do you think would be able to hit those requirements? I mean, honestly now Kev, honestly??
What's your point? That you'd need a bit more about you to operate missile defence systems than you would a rifle? I agree, however that person was enlisted as a private soldier, and any enlisted soldier (your grunts, frontschwein) would be eligible to specialise in such a manner. A degree from a liberal arts college (unlikely to foster assertiveness, non-hesitation, loyalty, killer instinct) is hardly a requirement, common sense and not being an imbecile would be more practical.
I pulled you up on the 'tactical officer' thing because you pride yourself on precision and empiricism, yet you used a cringeworthy non-position to mask your ignorance and assumptions about military matters, which paradoxically exposed them.
Time spent at university doesn't increase ones IQ, not ones suitability for a military career unless specifically designed for that purpose in the case of the latter. Although in your case it has increased verbosity and snootiness.
Who said anything about a liberal arts college? The corporal in the video went to UC Davis. What I said is that as the most highly educated shift overall towards more "progressive" leanings, if the army wants to recruit from among them, as it needs to do, then it will need to change its recruiting strategy. Which is what it has done. One area I'm not a Mark Corrigan in is interest in the minutiae of military matters and related terminology, but I do know enough to see the idiocy of comparing a video recruiting for positions in operations, whatever their actual label, to a video recruiting for infantry.
So my point is what it has been since the start; the US Army knows what it is doing, and it is not a box-ticking exercise. It is a brightest and best recruiting exercise that has flown over the heads of the cackling retrobates. Not that I'm enthralled by the US military gaining in strength where it really matters in today's world, but that's what is happening.
Why would an army require 'highly educated' recruits? It's officers are trained and educated at military academies, unless there is an exemption, like in the Irish army, a doctor is given the rank of captain upon commission?
Surely, the training for what that video shows is done 'in-house', and in the US, it's highly unlikely that a computer science graduate is going to sacrifice a career in tech to go David Goggins and 'stop giving a shot what other people think', no?
A university education regardless of the discipline seems to be the gold standard for you. Some of the most capable people I know never set foot in one.
By the way, an advertisement for infantry? The US and all other militaries are made up up various Corps, you don't just sign up and say 'infantry please'.
The requirements for that system operator post, as determined by the ASVAB score - most likely completed as part of the admission and orienteering phase - would be of a similar level as the requirements for the best schools in the US. If the Army successfully recruits from within those schools, such as UC Davis, then it is pretty much guaranteed to have recruited individuals matching those highest requirement levels. 99 is the highest score. You need to score better than 99% of people who take the relevant tests in order to hit that. That was the bit of a trick question part of asking how many of the people down-voting the video would be able to get such scores. Even being charitable and assuming they represent a normal segment of the population, only 1% of them is the answer.
I'm sure you know lots of very capable people who never set foot in a university, I also do. In fact, the people I learnt most from in life never did. But that's arguing from anecdote, and not really the kind of thing you would base a recruitment drive on. It's not "my" gold standard, it's just a good, strategic place to recruit, alongside high schools, and that's why you have military recruiters popping up more or less regularly at most college campuses in the US. Again, they know what they're doing. Your principal mistake all along was to start out by thinking the US Army had made some kind of "error" in their approach here. No. They know what they're doing, and you're just turning in circles in your prejudices.
My prejudices? Your blanket dismissal of anyone who downvoted the video as a low iq simpleton is the black to my kettle, even though I'm not sure which kettle I'm supposed to be prejudiced against this time.
Rigid thinking and IQ tend to correlate negatively. Just a tendency now, but enough to make a decent guess about a left-shift in the distribution. Plus, y'know, YouTube commenters in general...
Most importantly though, I think you're all sad bullies, so that's where I'm taking my license from :)
The glaring problem is that your intolerance of and incredulity regarding opinion that dissents from your own equally rigid thinking shows that up as a load of hot air.
Try not to be oh-so-smug about everything you stick your snout into. You can't see it, I gather, but you're as doctrinaire and rigid in your thinking as anyone else.
Does a high IQ result in Americanised English word salads?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 02, 2021, 05:55:26 PM
Why would an army require 'highly educated' recruits?
Why wouldn't they would be my thinking. Have a mix and still nothing stopping the average Joe progressing anyway. Does the FBI recruit highly educated recruits (I might be wrong on that). Army is probably doing the same thing.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 02, 2021, 05:55:26 PM
Why would an army require 'highly educated' recruits?
So they don't get mistaken for Marines?
The word Advertisements contains 'semen' between 'tits'.
The first and last pages of this thread are the tits.
Chris and Kev are the semen wiggling all over each other.
The advertisement is for this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh7W0U65gh8
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 02, 2021, 08:36:34 PM
The glaring problem is that your intolerance of and incredulity regarding opinion that dissents from your own equally rigid thinking shows that up as a load of hot air.
What opinion? This isn't about opinion, this is about people being dicks.
And after all, we're each of us just semen wiggling around on top of each other, with more or less frequent occurrence of tits. Embrace it!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on May 19, 2021, 07:48:21 AM
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I don't know which word is more sickening to me, trans or community, at this stage.
Who gives a flying fuck which of those two particular words are more sickening to you if they are the two things that jump out at you as most sickening from that latest spurt of diarrhoea KC has shat onto the forum. He makes Nixer look like Jeremy fucking Paxman.
Uffffffffff, so much steam.... :-X
Do you ever be on Tinder swiping through all of the lovely girls and then one of them transvestites pops up even though you have your preference set to only girls?
It reminds me of that Exorcist maze game from years ago that used to scare the shite out of everyone.
Give us a starter for 10 there Jez.
It amazes me how this whole offended culture shit has made both the left and right leaning folks so utterly fucking predictable.
Microsoft blaming 'human error' for blocking 'tank man' searches on Bing.
Human error me bollix. Quite the timing has this rogue bungler in the search engine maintenance dept!
This is quite a trolling exercise! Charitable trolling😂😂
https://www.google.es/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/06/05/gofundme-halts-fundraiser-for-aocs-grandma-despite-104k-haul/amp/
That was a cool story until the bits where the guy behind it outs himself as being an utter tool.
He shouldn't have mouthed off so much, I agree.
She looks a fool for not taking the money. She should have upped the stakes, 'let's take their money and raise even more for other hurricane victims'. But she lacks peripheral vision.
I found this silliness rather amusing.. https://www.npr.org/2021/06/13/1005725990/tom-hanks-is-a-non-racist-its-time-for-him-to-be-anti-racist
QuoteNow, I thought, we'll see him examine how his work — so often focused on the achievements of virtuous white, male Americans – may have made it tougher for tales about atrocities such as Tulsa to find similar space.
Any day now Hanks is going to announce his starring role in
The Last Nigga on Earth and the cycle will be complete.
He is literally bothering no one but these ravaged cunts want more from him. Next they'll want a remake of Castaway with the volley ball being black.
They are never satisfied.
And don't even consider apologising for whatever it is the accuse you of, you might as well ask local einsatz kommando to let you off because you are more of a lapsed Jew.
I had a run in with one of these perpetually offended types over the weekend.
I was (erroneously) asked for ID (for the first time in over ten years I might add) at a shop I use regularly whilst trying to buy smokes and 6 cans of Harp.
The nasty heffer had some foul attitude about her and wouldn't see reason so I had no other option but to tell her that she was a horrible fat ugly cunt and abort my mission.
The other shop didn't have Harp so I had to get Karpackie.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 14, 2021, 07:03:11 PM
They are never satisfied.
And don't even consider apologising for whatever it is the accuse you of, you might as well ask local einsatz kommando to let you off because you are more of a lapsed Jew.
They expect people to cave in and withdraw which most do.
Mad fucking shite. But this journalist is speaking to a very very specific cohort of eejits.
The author of that article is right. Tom Hanks is a racist cnut!
Tom Hanks is one of those lads who'd cringe at the thought of ordering a Black Russian.
How does every good racist joke start?
With a look over your shoulder...
Isn't Tom Hanks a pedo?
All of you showing your whiteness with the Tom Hanks comments. I don't care what colour you all are or what opinion you proffer, you are all still showing your whiteness.
That is also not a racist statement in the current climate. Great and fantastically cunning ploy from the anti-racism lobby and I'm sure there is funding available to combat the problem if only I can find out how to be offended enough to apply for the grant. After all, I'm 8,000th generation Human. Maybe. I dunno but my feelings are killing me all the same. Surely I was oppressed somewhere along the line. Pay me.
A random internet session landed me on Jeremy Clarkson's wiki page and I'm having a giggle at some of the things he has said over the years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Clarkson#Controversies
Spongebob is gay now. A gay sea sponge. In a children's cartoon.
It's cringeworthy and simultaneously opportunistic, but quite a few parents will be now switching off rather than on.
Just leave the children's cartoons amorphous and asexual ye degenerate fuckin' pricks.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.highsnobiety.com/p/spongebob-gay-pride/%3Fformat%3Damp
Whatever parents do now, they'll be a year late. Could be wrong, but don't think they ever fully outed him, beyond implying, outside of an episode, that he was either LGBTQ+ or an "ally". Either way, he'll probably still be no actual gayer in his on-screen portrayed character than, say, Noddy, or every single male character during the final 30-40 minutes of The Return of the King.
They tweeted out that he was a member of the LGBTETC community.
I was misled. I thought spongebob was non-binary.
What you're referring to was indeed a tweet, i.e. not actually in the cartoon. And it was last year.
https://twitter.com/Nickelodeon/status/1271795092391682048
"Celebrating #Pride with the LGBTQ+ community and their allies this month and every month"
They will have intentionally left it open to interpretation, since the other two pictured are explicitly part of the community and hence not "allies", whereas Bob... well, that's up to the viewer, depending on just how perpetually hanging on the edge of their seat waiting to be outraged they are.
That word 'allies' is quite ingenious. If you aren't one, then logically you are a bigot.
I heard the origin of that word comes from Ulster Protestant politicians saying 'by god' in their violent and vehement anti-Catholicism around home rule, might be bullshit though.
Apparently the show creator was asked the question years ago and said he would always have thought of the character as being asexual, and that although the question of sexuality was never meant to be really even considered in a daft show like SpongeBob, the "writer's attitude was always about promoting tolerance and the idea that everybody is different".
As mentioned, I don't think this will change anything about his on screen character, and probably also is a bit opportunistic for the Pride month celebrations.
But to be honest, who really cares? In the context of this show it doesn't seem to matter -- but in other children's TV shows it might. Why is it a bad thing that kids may learn -- through watching their favourite cartoon -- that it's alright that a character's relationship to another would be of the same-sex kind. Like I dunno, The Flintstones for example...A kids tv show where the narrative revolves around a straight married couple. Kids obviously pick up on this being the case, so is there an issue if tomorrow *insert cartoon here* came along with a similar set up but with two gay characters. It doesn't need to be overtly pushy in terms of how they teach kids this, but just there in a passive sort of way?
Or they could stop making Children's cartoons about sexual preference. Just a thought.
You completely missed my point.
"Normalization" is a hard concept for certain people to grasp. If you have a boy-girl kiss in a cartoon, that's viewed as "normal", so normal that it may be barely noticed. If you have a boy-boy kiss in a cartoon (not sure if this has even happened in a romantic context anywhere in the mainstream), then all of a sudden it's "having sexual preference shoved down our throats". Obviously not a cartoon, but Mare of Easttown really nailed normalization, i.e. diversity that precisely doesn't make a song and dance about itself.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 12:41:28 PM
Either way, he'll probably still be no actual gayer in his on-screen portrayed character than, say, Noddy, or every single male character during the final 30-40 minutes of The Return of the King.
:laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 02:45:40 PM
"Normalization" is a hard concept for certain people to grasp.
Starting off with this sentence makes you seem like a giant sanctimonious cunt.
What I meant is just that, to someone who consciously or unconsciously views anything outside of boy-girl romance as deviant or degenerate or perverse (restricting myself to terms we've been treated to on this forum), i.e. as abnormal, "normalization" of anything LGBTQ+ will leap off the screen as aberrant. For instance, can you name a children's cartoon that is actually "about" sexual preference? Personally, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if my kid watched a cartoon about a family where the parents were two men, and it was just a "normal" part of the show. I actively hope he will have a broader, more pluralistic, and more embracing vision of what "normal" is than the one I, most of us, were brought up to accept. For example, by the time he gets to primary school in a couple of years, maybe the notion of using a homosexual slur as an insult will already be seen among kids as being as ludicrous as it would have been in ancient Greece. When I was a kid, "gay" was used as an insult from the time we were seven or eight, and that's how we found out what it meant. Not great really, right?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 12:41:28 PM
or every single male character during the final 30-40 minutes of The Return of the King.
Those are some spectacularly gay minutes there now you mention it.
It's mad to think, given how many folks are "out" these days and how popular the whole rainbow movement is, how many poor fuckers must have been buried in the closet over the years because it's hardly as if people have simply turned lately. They must have been there all along, riding their women, devastated.
I was also going to say leave it out with spongebob and why can't all the kids characters be asexual but then I remembered Pepe Le Pew, who is basically a rapist now and I never saw the harm in it.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 15, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 12:41:28 PM
or every single male character during the final 30-40 minutes of The Return of the King.
Those are some spectacularly gay minutes there now you mention it.
It's mad to think, given how many folks are "out" these days and how popular the whole rainbow movement is, how many poor fuckers must have been buried in the closet over the years because it's hardly as if people have simply turned lately. They must have been there all along, riding their women, devastated.
I was also going to say leave it out with spongebob and why can't all the kids characters be asexual but then I remembered Pepe Le Pew, who is basically a rapist now and I never saw the harm in it.
Spongebob is a rapist?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 03:50:07 PM
What I meant is just that, to someone who consciously or unconsciously views anything outside of boy-girl romance as deviant or degenerate or perverse (restricting myself to terms we've been treated to on this forum), i.e. as abnormal, "normalization" of anything LGBTQ+ will leap off the screen as aberrant. For instance, can you name a children's cartoon that is actually "about" sexual preference? Personally, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if my kid watched a cartoon about a family where the parents were two men, and it was just a "normal" part of the show. I actively hope he will have a broader, more pluralistic, and more embracing vision of what "normal" is than the one I, most of us, were brought up to accept. For example, by the time he gets to primary school in a couple of years, maybe the notion of using a homosexual slur as an insult will already be seen among kids as being as ludicrous as it would have been in ancient Greece. When I was a kid, "gay" was used as an insult from the time we were seven or eight, and that's how we found out what it meant. Not great really, right?
K
Male-Female relationships are 'normal', in the sense that most relationships have the dynamic, the vast majority. I don't think anyone here would seriously consider homosexuality as 'deviant' or 'sick', they are just strawmen, like the desperate search for evangelicals with jack boots. It's the drag queens on blues clues, the rainbowification of material meant for children of an age who should be left alone to enjoy those precious few years before they turn into self conscious pricks (I've been told Chris even had one).
I agree, explain that not every couple is heterosexual, not even every parent, but in its own time. You've seen these insane LGBT books being aimed at preschoolers of course? If I met the author of any of them, I'd have a go at the cunt.
Spongebob is aimed at young children (granted I got a load of laughs), just make the cartoon and shut the fuck up about what 'community' the protagonist belongs to for a shallow virtue signal that only spas can't see past.
I'm a teacher in a European high school, and it's a myth that children, even the little fuckers in primary, don't use homophobic slurs. Errr' day.
Racist ones are far less common than in my day, but.
Lol
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/14/corporations-anti-lgbtq-politicians-donations-study
Quote from: Nixer on June 15, 2021, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 15, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 12:41:28 PM
or every single male character during the final 30-40 minutes of The Return of the King.
Those are some spectacularly gay minutes there now you mention it.
It's mad to think, given how many folks are "out" these days and how popular the whole rainbow movement is, how many poor fuckers must have been buried in the closet over the years because it's hardly as if people have simply turned lately. They must have been there all along, riding their women, devastated.
I was also going to say leave it out with spongebob and why can't all the kids characters be asexual but then I remembered Pepe Le Pew, who is basically a rapist now and I never saw the harm in it.
Spongebob is a rapist?
More of an aspiring one as the mechanics of it are troublesome with the little spongeknob.
There's a lot of the LGBTQ stuff I don't get. People want to be able to identify as what they like and be whatever orientation they like but then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun.
What the are we meant to do, as everyone before we begin, "Are you Man/Woman or Neither", just so they're not offended and we get off on the wrong foot? For fuck sake, life's hard enough :-\
These CNN cranks have no shame whatsoever. The suspect said that he shot at people because they were white, the local police said the same thing, as did the Atlanta Journal.
CNN? Nah. How can anyone take these screwballs seriously?
Race is one of the stupidest possible reasons for shooting someone, but the double standards are ridiculous.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/13/us/columbus-georgia-multiple-shootings-suspect-arrested/index.html
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
There's a lot of the LGBTQ stuff I don't get. People want to be able to identify as what they like and be whatever orientation they like but then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun.
What the are we meant to do, as everyone before we begin, "Are you Man/Woman or Neither", just so they're not offended and we get off on the wrong foot? For fuck sake, life's hard enough :-\
Speaking of identities, isn't this just another Nixer account??
Did you see they have this "Stand Your Ground" law in some states now and it's casing huge problems?
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 07:01:55 PM
Did you see they have this "Stand Your Ground" law in some states now and it's casing huge problems?
https://youtu.be/vTF-Kz_7L0c
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 07:01:38 PM
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
There's a lot of the LGBTQ stuff I don't get. People want to be able to identify as what they like and be whatever orientation they like but then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun.
What the are we meant to do, as everyone before we begin, "Are you Man/Woman or Neither", just so they're not offended and we get off on the wrong foot? For fuck sake, life's hard enough :-\
Speaking of identities, isn't this just another Nixer account??
No, no taking the piss.
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
There's a lot of the LGBTQ stuff I don't get. People want to be able to identify as what they like and be whatever orientation they like but then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun.
What the are we meant to do, as everyone before we begin, "Are you Man/Woman or Neither", just so they're not offended and we get off on the wrong foot? For fuck sake, life's hard enough :-\
It's not meant to be got by most people as the idea is to feel exceptional/special/you wouldn't understand because you're not one of us etc. Grand if they have had a sex change and want to be referred to as the sex they've become because that was the point of it and it's a physical thing so fine but the other shit I just don't care and there are loads of perfectly sound people who are gay bi trans whatever and that shit is no big deal to them either. The militant wing of any persuasion are usually fucking pricks and sometimes I think that acceptance is the worst possible thing for a lot of these people because they would lose their purpose and have nothing to shout about. I often say it but we were farther along the road of peace and love to all about 20 years ago before everyone needed to be labelled. It will hopefully run its' course soon enough and a lot of it seems like an inevitable outcome to everyone being connected as they are.
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 06:47:17 PMbut then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun.
Have any of us on here actually experienced anything like this in the real world? A lot of it just seems to be online shite talking. Can't say I know any trans people, or anybody who knows trans people, who could clarify if people are actually getting pissed off or not.
I do have a bi friend who refuses to have anything to do with the whole pride parade though, he thinks it's a bit embarrassing.
Spongebob Quarepants.
Yeah good point Astfgyl. It's just people are so hyper-sensitive about it all and it's like you'd have to be walking on eggs trying not break the shells.
I haven't met any no, but I have met people who are straight but fully willing to take offence on others behalf. It's ridiculous.
Hahaha, even I'm staying out of this one... :laugh:
That slap on the wrist teach you some manners ;)
Quote from: Giggles on June 15, 2021, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 06:47:17 PMbut then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun.
Have any of us on here actually experienced anything like this in the real world? A lot of it just seems to be online shite talking. Can't say I know any trans people, or anybody who knows trans people, who could clarify if people are actually getting pissed off or not.
I do have a bi friend who refuses to have anything to do with the whole pride parade though, he thinks it's a bit embarrassing.
Was saying the same thing earlier in the thread, that this stuff seems only to exist online as far as it goes for me. It's pretty much the only place where anyone would listen to that hysterical stuff. I know a few gay fellas and none of them are like that and some of them are far far worse in their own way, just like every other section of society. It isn't just anybody of the non-straight persuasion who are the offended style crew; there are pricks in every walk of life and thankfully there are rational people of every creed as well.
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 10:28:53 PM
It's just people are so hyper-sensitive about it all and it's like you'd have to be walking on eggs trying not break the shells.
I haven't met any no, but I have met people who are straight but fully willing to take offence on others behalf. It's ridiculous.
You're ridiculous, ya absolute eejit. You are literally making a big deal out of something that by your own admission, in the same feckin' sentence, you have never experienced!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 11:44:25 PM
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 10:28:53 PM
It's just people are so hyper-sensitive about it all and it's like you'd have to be walking on eggs trying not break the shells.
I haven't met any no, but I have met people who are straight but fully willing to take offence on others behalf. It's ridiculous.
You're ridiculous, ya absolute eejit. You are literally making a big deal out of something that by your own admission, in the same feckin' sentence, you have never experienced!
:laugh: I love your wording :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 15, 2021, 11:44:25 PM
Quote from: livingabortion on June 15, 2021, 10:28:53 PM
It's just people are so hyper-sensitive about it all and it's like you'd have to be walking on eggs trying not break the shells.
I haven't met any no, but I have met people who are straight but fully willing to take offence on others behalf. It's ridiculous.
You're ridiculous, ya absolute eejit. You are literally making a big deal out of something that by your own admission, in the same feckin' sentence, you have never experienced!
I think everyone can be accused of that to some degree. In Ireland, if you aren't online then this bullshit doesn't seem to exist. But in America it seems to hold more currency within universities, as has become evident in recent years. So yes, on one hand it's eejitry to get upset about it in Ireland right now, but on the other hand, where America goes, the world follows, so maybe in two or five years time it'll be a real issue here. Hopefully it'll burn itself out before then, but who knows.
"Hopefully it'll burn itself out before then, but who knows."
Here's hopping.
Quote from: Giggles on June 15, 2021, 10:33:13 PM
That slap on the wrist teach you some manners ;)
And there was me hoping for a spanking.. :laugh:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 16, 2021, 12:30:32 AM
I think everyone can be accused of that to some degree. In Ireland, if you aren't online then this bullshit doesn't seem to exist. But in America it seems to hold more currency within universities, as has become evident in recent years. So yes, on one hand it's eejitry to get upset about it in Ireland right now, but on the other hand, where America goes, the world follows, so maybe in two or five years time it'll be a real issue here. Hopefully it'll burn itself out before then, but who knows.
Ask the average US citizen and a majority of them will also tell you that they have never been in a real life situation, on the street, in the wild, so to speak, similar to the one Nixer pulled out of the fantastical tabloid handbook up there: "but then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun."
Sure, I guess it happens, but both sides of the media circus amplify it to high heaven when anything like this occurs, and an entire cottage industry has built up out of defending/attacking each side of it. If people just knew how to live and let live, we wouldn't have to hear about it. And although the popular "centrist" discourse is now to say, "Nobody cares anymore what gender/sexuality/etc. you are!" Well, that is demonstrably just not true at all; there's half of that cottage outrage industry dedicated to caring about precisely that, generating belittling soundbites, memes designed to injure, fueling social media spates, and on and on and on.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 16, 2021, 12:30:32 AMif you aren't online then this bullshit doesn't seem to exist.
This 100%.
This thread is my only link to the world of PC culture. A bunch of Paddy's giving out :laugh:
Quote from: Giggles on June 16, 2021, 09:24:21 AM
This thread is my only link to the world of PC culture. A bunch of Paddy's giving out :laugh:
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 16, 2021, 09:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 16, 2021, 12:30:32 AM
I think everyone can be accused of that to some degree. In Ireland, if you aren't online then this bullshit doesn't seem to exist. But in America it seems to hold more currency within universities, as has become evident in recent years. So yes, on one hand it's eejitry to get upset about it in Ireland right now, but on the other hand, where America goes, the world follows, so maybe in two or five years time it'll be a real issue here. Hopefully it'll burn itself out before then, but who knows.
Ask the average US citizen and a majority of them will also tell you that they have never been in a real life situation, on the street, in the wild, so to speak, similar to the one Nixer pulled out of the fantastical tabloid handbook up there: "but then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun."
Sure, I guess it happens, but both sides of the media circus amplify it to high heaven when anything like this occurs, and an entire cottage industry has built up out of defending/attacking each side of it. If people just knew how to live and let live, we wouldn't have to hear about it. And although the popular "centrist" discourse is now to say, "Nobody cares anymore what gender/sexuality/etc. you are!" Well, that is demonstrably just not true at all; there's half of that cottage outrage industry dedicated to caring about precisely that, generating belittling soundbites, memes designed to injure, fueling social media spates, and on and on and on.
What are you talking about?
When have you ever heard of a situation like mine where the other party involved was attractive. These perpetually offended types, just like the one I unfortunately encountered, are just a bunch of spoiled pissbabys who by and large have had it easier and more comfortable than any other generation in history but have yet somehow developed a massive chip on their shoulders.
Personally I think it's because they're ugly and making yourself uglier and displaying a bad attitude is some type of statement but they can fuck off with that shit when I'm going about my day to day business.
Quote from: Nixer on June 16, 2021, 01:51:26 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 16, 2021, 09:10:26 AM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 16, 2021, 12:30:32 AM
I think everyone can be accused of that to some degree. In Ireland, if you aren't online then this bullshit doesn't seem to exist. But in America it seems to hold more currency within universities, as has become evident in recent years. So yes, on one hand it's eejitry to get upset about it in Ireland right now, but on the other hand, where America goes, the world follows, so maybe in two or five years time it'll be a real issue here. Hopefully it'll burn itself out before then, but who knows.
Ask the average US citizen and a majority of them will also tell you that they have never been in a real life situation, on the street, in the wild, so to speak, similar to the one Nixer pulled out of the fantastical tabloid handbook up there: "but then you have the "Non-Binary" Brigade who don't identify either way and then you see a man but they aren't identifying as a man and then get pissed off if you use the wrong pronoun."
Sure, I guess it happens, but both sides of the media circus amplify it to high heaven when anything like this occurs, and an entire cottage industry has built up out of defending/attacking each side of it. If people just knew how to live and let live, we wouldn't have to hear about it. And although the popular "centrist" discourse is now to say, "Nobody cares anymore what gender/sexuality/etc. you are!" Well, that is demonstrably just not true at all; there's half of that cottage outrage industry dedicated to caring about precisely that, generating belittling soundbites, memes designed to injure, fueling social media spates, and on and on and on.
What are you talking about?
When have you ever heard of a situation like mine where the other party involved was attractive. These perpetually offended types, just like the one I unfortunately encountered, are just a bunch of spoiled pissbabys who by and large have had it easier and more comfortable than any other generation in history but have yet somehow developed a massive chip on their shoulders.
Personally I think it's because they're ugly and making yourself uglier and displaying a bad attitude is some type of statement but they can fuck off with that shit when I'm going about my day to day business.
I agree with you Nixer, these cunts are given too much a platform.
Quote from: Giggles on June 16, 2021, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 16, 2021, 12:30:32 AMif you aren't online then this bullshit doesn't seem to exist.
This 100%.
This thread is my only link to the world of PC culture. A bunch of Paddy's giving out :laugh:
You're right about this all effecting you if you choose to base your life in social media espically twitter
I use twitter for news really but today I saw ", trans men are men" was trending and couldn't resist viewing the shit storm that is a twitter debate.
There was one user @luwucian who is a transman but wears make up dresses and acts feminine. A woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman. Like Monty python on life of Brian, where the cast were playing women pretending to be men so they can go to the stoning.
I really need to just step away from social media in general and start watching that new GB news channel and live in a happy post Brexit world.
Christ, that luwucian 'bloke' has a nsfw twitter account @luciannsfw where he posts sexy pictures and talks about how he wants his pussy eaten out.
I would bang her for badness but would that make me a bumder?
I'm glad I shutdown my Facebook account years ago and I don't have Twitter. It's easy enough to find shit on the internet without having that.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on June 16, 2021, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Giggles on June 16, 2021, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 16, 2021, 12:30:32 AMif you aren't online then this bullshit doesn't seem to exist.
This 100%.
This thread is my only link to the world of PC culture. A bunch of Paddy's giving out :laugh:
You're right about this all effecting you if you choose to base your life in social media espically twitter
I use twitter for news really but today I saw ", trans men are men" was trending and couldn't resist viewing the shit storm that is a twitter debate.
There was one user @luwucian who is a transman but wears make up dresses and acts feminine. A woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman. Like Monty python on life of Brian, where the cast were playing women pretending to be men so they can go to the stoning.
I really need to just step away from social media in general and start watching that new GB news channel and live in a happy post Brexit world.
Imagine being a real trans person, trying to deal with the difficulties of your situation, and having these types of fucking attention seeking knobheads nominating themselves as your cultural ambassador. As if life wouldn't be enough of a pain in the hole already :laugh:
I was listening to the radio earlier and Moncrief was on talking to the oul one and the gay lad who are a regular fixture, giving relationship advice. Someone was complaining that a girl he fancied wouldn't go out with him because she wasn't attracted to men who wear makeup. Of course they start going on at how stupid a reason that is for not going out with someone, "sure everyone is fine and happy with the fact that gender and sexuality are totally fluid now", was their reasoning. Well, maybe most people are fine with that (generally among the younger and woker cohort), but what has that got to do with attraction? People have all sorts of foibles and quirks in who they will or won't be attracted to, but now it's a form of oppression to not want to go out with someone who acts in a way that doesn't appeal to their taste? Unreal.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 17, 2021, 06:32:09 PM
I was listening to the radio earlier and Moncrief was on talking to the oul one and the gay lad who are a regular fixture, giving relationship advice. Someone was complaining that a girl he fancied wouldn't go out with him because she wasn't attracted to men who wear makeup. Of course they start going on at how stupid a reason that is for not going out with someone, "sure everyone is fine and happy with the fact that gender and sexuality are totally fluid now", was their reasoning. Well, maybe most people are fine with that (generally among the younger and woker cohort), but what has that got to do with attraction? People have all sorts of foibles and quirks in who they will or won't be attracted to, but now it's a form of oppression to not want to go out with someone who acts in a way that doesn't appeal to their taste? Unreal.
What station was that bud?
Nixer fm
The absolute fuckin state of those 2 cunts. That and yer wan giving the parental advice on a Tuesday were an immediate switch for me.
Pair of absolute wafflers who seem about as expert as an oul one hanging over her garden gate. I think the child expert is good (her squeaky voice can maybe grate a bit) because she is an actual expert and has real, solid advice to offer. The other two are just acting the maggot.
Newstalk is pure ragebait. That cunt ciara kelly along with spoofer French looking twat Coleman are insufferable tabloid trash.
Figured you'd like the parental one alright given your own status. No value to me.
Ya, Ciara Kelly is cuntish. She was worse at lunchtime on her own though.
Here's a thought that's no longer relevant. Remember when men retired at 65 and lazy women retired at 60? What if this gender business was as big now as it was then, could you legally be allowed to claim your pension and retire early if you said you identify as a woman?
Those fellas back then missed a trick.
This is an interesting one, I don't know if anyone remembers the story but it was a shitstorm back in November when people on social media claimed girls in a school in Carlow were told what to wear during PE because they were 'distracting' the male teachers, several politicians like Hazel Chu and Ruth Coppinger spread the story, as well as journalists from the likes of The Irish Times and The Journal.
If I was one of the male teachers I'd be looking at legal action as the reporting and social media posts heavily implied labelling them as paedophiles when it turns out nothing of the sort was said.
Typically, the ruling that there's no actual evidence of it happening has largely been ignored by the people who spread the story in the first place.
https://www.thejournal.ie/carlow-school-the-nationalist-tight-clothing-complaint-5472273-Jun2021/
Like many cases of its type, the "no smoke without fire" excuse will be used and that will be that.
I see new Zealand have entered a 43 year old transwoman laurel hubbard into the women's weightlifting team which no doubt will spark a bit of excitement. Perhaps a bit old for weightlifting but I wonder if only transitioning 9 years ago will keep the male advantages?
I really can't wait for it to become the norm for transgender athletes to compete with females in these competitions. It'll definitely get more eyeballs on the product in a 'two dogs fucking on the side of a road and I can't look away' curiosity way.
Quote from: ldj on June 21, 2021, 06:48:24 AM
This is an interesting one, I don't know if anyone remembers the story but it was a shitstorm back in November when people on social media claimed girls in a school in Carlow were told what to wear during PE because they were 'distracting' the male teachers, several politicians like Hazel Chu and Ruth Coppinger spread the story, as well as journalists from the likes of The Irish Times and The Journal.
If I was one of the male teachers I'd be looking at legal action as the reporting and social media posts heavily implied labelling them as paedophiles when it turns out nothing of the sort was said.
Typically, the ruling that there's no actual evidence of it happening has largely been ignored by the people who spread the story in the first place.
https://www.thejournal.ie/carlow-school-the-nationalist-tight-clothing-complaint-5472273-Jun2021/
Must go back and see what we were saying about it in here. I remember it though and I think a lot of people were saying it was overblown from the beginning although I don't think I was one of those.
Quote from: ldj on June 21, 2021, 06:48:24 AM
This is an interesting one, I don't know if anyone remembers the story but it was a shitstorm back in November when people on social media claimed girls in a school in Carlow were told what to wear during PE because they were 'distracting' the male teachers, several politicians like Hazel Chu and Ruth Coppinger spread the story, as well as journalists from the likes of The Irish Times and The Journal.
If I was one of the male teachers I'd be looking at legal action as the reporting and social media posts heavily implied labelling them as paedophiles when it turns out nothing of the sort was said.
Typically, the ruling that there's no actual evidence of it happening has largely been ignored by the people who spread the story in the first place.
https://www.thejournal.ie/carlow-school-the-nationalist-tight-clothing-complaint-5472273-Jun2021/
And then the Journal went and deleted all the comments calling them out for being one of the chief ringleaders in the cicrus that followed the initial story.
It'll get to a stage whereby all it takes is some fella getting wrongly accused and ending his life over these types of accusations. Nobody will give a shit either as evidenced by the lack of empathy on the part of the multiple accusers in this case.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on June 21, 2021, 03:39:21 PM
Quote from: ldj on June 21, 2021, 06:48:24 AM
This is an interesting one, I don't know if anyone remembers the story but it was a shitstorm back in November when people on social media claimed girls in a school in Carlow were told what to wear during PE because they were 'distracting' the male teachers, several politicians like Hazel Chu and Ruth Coppinger spread the story, as well as journalists from the likes of The Irish Times and The Journal.
If I was one of the male teachers I'd be looking at legal action as the reporting and social media posts heavily implied labelling them as paedophiles when it turns out nothing of the sort was said.
Typically, the ruling that there's no actual evidence of it happening has largely been ignored by the people who spread the story in the first place.
https://www.thejournal.ie/carlow-school-the-nationalist-tight-clothing-complaint-5472273-Jun2021/
And then the Journal went and deleted all the comments calling them out for being one of the chief ringleaders in the cicrus that followed the initial story.
The Journal is some fucking rag. I especially love how they turn off the comments on their "fact check" articles. A true disgrace to journalism.
Quote from: Blackout on June 21, 2021, 04:16:11 PM
It'll get to a stage whereby all it takes is some fella getting wrongly accused and ending his life over these types of accusations. Nobody will give a shit either as evidenced by the lack of empathy on the part of the multiple accusers in this case.
There was a story over the weekend stating the conviction rate for rape was disgracefully low and something needed to be done.
I was kinda a bit baffled as I'm not sure what or how they were suggesting to fix it. Surely if there wasn't enough evidence they could hardly make a few guilty simply to get their quota for the week.
Your bafflement, if you gave a shit, would have been easy to clear up:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48095118
Victims abandoning prosecutions because the entire prosecution process is almost inherently traumatic, aggravated by a negative feedback loop resulting from very low probability of it leading to anything that makes the repeatedly relived trauma worth the distress, is a huge part of the problem, and one that can be vastly improved. Less baffled now I hope.
Cheers
I think it's easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to this thorny topic. If the process can be made less traumatic for victims then that needs to happen. I think there are a tiny cohort of mad women who make false claims but I think it would be false to assume that they make up much of a percentage when compared to real cases. It goes without saying that there have to be structures in place to protect men who get falsely accused, too, but it's fair to say that the number of real cases reported to the police is a fraction of the number of real cases that occur.
It probably doesn't help that nobody can seem to agree what rape actually even is, and the #metoo movement might actually have served to muddy the water so much as to make it a near impossible task to figure that one out. Then again, I'm sure the law has firm lines on what constitutes rape as opposed to arse-pinchery etc.
And the usual whataboutery and muddying the waters crops up from the same condescending pricks everytime anyone mentions false accusations.
Well yeah, that's my point. There are false accusations which need to be dealt with fairly, ie through public vindication of the accused. That doesn't mean that the many, many real cases need to be undermined by the few made up ones. Just because a few men get falsely accused (and as a man, I can think of few things that could be worse than getting falsely tarred with that particular brush) it doesn't mean that we have to treat every accusation with a disproportionate level of scepticism. I'm sure any reasonable person can agree that despite the few false claims, rape is indeed a real issue that should be taken seriously. That's what it boils down to when you strip away the usual left/right posturing.
I know a fella who was raped by a woman. When he woke up just went along with it and was pretty pleased telling me about it after. The question on my mind here is was he raped if he then became a willing participant? And the greater question, the actual serious question is around the difficulty in proving something like date rape and I would guess that plays a large part in cases not being resolved. The story is true though, but did she commit an offence?
Quote from: astfgyl on June 21, 2021, 02:24:06 PM
Quote from: ldj on June 21, 2021, 06:48:24 AM
This is an interesting one, I don't know if anyone remembers the story but it was a shitstorm back in November when people on social media claimed girls in a school in Carlow were told what to wear during PE because they were 'distracting' the male teachers, several politicians like Hazel Chu and Ruth Coppinger spread the story, as well as journalists from the likes of The Irish Times and The Journal.
If I was one of the male teachers I'd be looking at legal action as the reporting and social media posts heavily implied labelling them as paedophiles when it turns out nothing of the sort was said.
Typically, the ruling that there's no actual evidence of it happening has largely been ignored by the people who spread the story in the first place.
https://www.thejournal.ie/carlow-school-the-nationalist-tight-clothing-complaint-5472273-Jun2021/
Must go back and see what we were saying about it in here. I remember it though and I think a lot of people were saying it was overblown from the beginning although I don't think I was one of those.
So I had a look and tbh it was barely discussed here. My own response was
Quote from: astfgyl on November 24, 2020, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2020, 08:25:43 PM
Phuck sake hai.... is nothing sacred any more? Fuming here.... :abbath:
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/1124/1180237-carlow-school/
There are so many facets to the wrongness there I'm almost blowing a wrong fuse trying to figure out what about it fries the head off me the most
Just about ambiguous enough to claim I wasn't taken in by the furore. Possibly.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 21, 2021, 09:15:56 PM
I know a fella who was raped by a woman. When he woke up just went along with it and was pretty pleased telling me about it after. The question on my mind here is was he raped if he then became a willing participant? And the greater question, the actual serious question is around the difficulty in proving something like date rape and I would guess that plays a large part in cases not being resolved. The story is true though, but did she commit an offence?
That happened in an episode of peep show if I recall.
Was your mate dating the woman at the time or what was the story. The worrying thing for your mate is if she was riddled with diseases or was looking to get knocked up.
Quote from: Blackout on June 21, 2021, 08:43:46 PM
And the usual whataboutery and muddying the waters crops up from the same condescending pricks everytime anyone mentions false accusations.
Isn't "whataboutery" the spirit that best describes the vast majority of times false accusations are mobilized as a reason not to do something more about the crime of rape?? Not saying it's your case, but usually when I see it turned to, that's exactly what's being done, and with no regard for the relative statistical facts of the matter.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on June 21, 2021, 09:46:56 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 21, 2021, 09:15:56 PM
I know a fella who was raped by a woman. When he woke up just went along with it and was pretty pleased telling me about it after. The question on my mind here is was he raped if he then became a willing participant? And the greater question, the actual serious question is around the difficulty in proving something like date rape and I would guess that plays a large part in cases not being resolved. The story is true though, but did she commit an offence?
That happened in an episode of peep show if I recall.
Was your mate dating the woman at the time or what was the story. The worrying thing for your mate is if she was riddled with diseases or was looking to get knocked up.
No he wasn't going out with her and he wasn't into her either but he said when he woke up and she was sitting on him that he was happy enough to go along with it. It's a good few years ago so I reckon if he got anything off it he has been very quiet about it. It does sort of illustrate how muddied it can get around rape when it isn't your random attack on the street. Let's pretend he was badly disturbed by it, what's the situation then and as far as I see, it would be tough proving it.
If your mate had been disturbed to the point of reporting himself as a rape victim, then he simply would have been in the same position as tens of thousands of girls who have woken up to a man having sex with them without explicit verbal consent. I.e. he wouldn't have much of a case at all, unless he could a) prove he asked for it to stop and b) prove that she didn't.
Yeah I agree, and therein lies the problem. There will always be far more rape than what is reported and as you say tens of thousands of unprovable cases. So while it's noble enough to say something should be done about it, (and I agree that something should) what is that something, and in the absence of a workable something isn't it just a load of hot air? Basically impossible to do anything about the stories other than hope that education and common decency is common enough to keep the numbers down to a relatively low percentage as I see it. The same idea applies though, let's say a fella wakes up his woman in the middle of the night with his mickey in her and even if they are married for 20 years is that not still technically rape if she isn't in the mood? It's shit like that makes it impossible to define most of it. "we were both drunk" is another one. We had this in the Manson thread as well and it just can't be sorted only along the lines of some sort of general societal morality, which seems to get more unlikely by the day.
Remember when that fucking Mutant George Hook made out that a girl who was raped when she went back to a lads room was basically asking for it? Fucking Scumbag.
George watches too many blue movies. It's well known that he's deep into them.
He probably has kinks that are crimes against normality.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 21, 2021, 11:01:42 PM
If your mate had been disturbed to the point of reporting himself as a rape victim, then he simply would have been in the same position as tens of thousands of girls who have woken up to a man having sex with them without explicit verbal consent. I.e. he wouldn't have much of a case at all, unless he could a) prove he asked for it to stop and b) prove that she didn't.
Would also be difficult because as under Irish law a woman can't rape a man.
Quote from: ldj on June 22, 2021, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 21, 2021, 11:01:42 PM
If your mate had been disturbed to the point of reporting himself as a rape victim, then he simply would have been in the same position as tens of thousands of girls who have woken up to a man having sex with them without explicit verbal consent. I.e. he wouldn't have much of a case at all, unless he could a) prove he asked for it to stop and b) prove that she didn't.
Would also be difficult because as under Irish law a woman can't rape a man.
What? Really?
Quote from: livingabortion on June 22, 2021, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: ldj on June 22, 2021, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 21, 2021, 11:01:42 PM
If your mate had been disturbed to the point of reporting himself as a rape victim, then he simply would have been in the same position as tens of thousands of girls who have woken up to a man having sex with them without explicit verbal consent. I.e. he wouldn't have much of a case at all, unless he could a) prove he asked for it to stop and b) prove that she didn't.
Would also be difficult because as under Irish law a woman can't rape a man.
What? Really?
Yeah rape is specifically defined as a male on female crime in the statute books. Women get carded with sexual assault.
I've never been given explicit verbal consent by anyone to have sex with them. Am I a rapist?
As regards the rape statute, what happens if it's male on male?
I dunno Kev; have you ever put your penis inside a sleeping woman you had no reason to believe wanted you to? Because that was the context. C-o-n-t-e-x-t.
No, but explicit verbal consent? I don't think that ever happens. I get your point, but how weird would it be to hear 'ok come ahead big lad, i consent'?
"I suppose a ride is out of the question?"
"Hang on til I get this line done."
"Ya serious?"
"I suppose so."
That is explicit verbal consent.
"Wanna fuck?"
"Hell yeah!"
That is explicit verbal consent.
I mean, if you never get such enthusiastic responses...you're not still wearing that sleeveless Skyforger shirt are ya?? ;)
That's why it's so complicated. It's a he said/she said scenario in many cases.
That's why education and a bit of decency and morality ingrained into kids from a young age is probably the closest we would get to solving that problem. It's unfortunate for those failed by the system but I can't see any other way.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 22, 2021, 01:23:08 PM
"I suppose a ride is out of the question?"
"Hang on til I get this line done."
"Ya serious?"
"I suppose so."
That is explicit verbal consent.
"Wanna fuck?"
"Hell yeah!"
That is explicit verbal consent.
I mean, if you never get such enthusiastic responses...you're not still wearing that sleeveless Skyforger shirt are ya?? ;)
That shirt is somewhere in me Ma's house, although it's probably not in its 2007/8 glory.
I dunno though, the ride usually just happens, the not telling you to fuck off is a good sign. There is a grey area with large amounts of alcohol involved, granted. Nevertheless, needing 'verbal consent' is a little dystopian. Im thinking of Stallone riding yer one in Demolition Man.
A morbidly obese woman took advantage of me when I was too drunk to consent once. All the lads still make jokes about it. It's actually really unfair.
Quote from: Nixer on June 22, 2021, 05:17:33 PM
A morbidly obese woman took advantage of me when I was too drunk to consent once. All the lads still make jokes about it. It's actually really unfair.
Do you want to talk about it?
It's not your fault, Nix.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 22, 2021, 04:53:26 PM
Nevertheless, needing 'verbal consent' is a little dystopian. Im thinking of Stallone riding yer one in Demolition Man.
You don't need verbal consent if there is some kind of other conscious explicit consent. But if a girl is fast asleep, drunk or otherwise, and you have no reason to believe that if she wasn't asleep she would be consenting, then any kind of non-verbal, physical acquiescence she may give while sleeping can't count as consent.
The ideal situation would be a culture shift towards sex positivity, where girls can enthusiastically express the wish for sex without a background culture of that making her a "slut", etc. In that kind of situation, guys would far less have the behavior of people raised to see sex as something that would often have to be coerced out of someone.
Well said Spock, don't ride someone who's passed out, it's only right.
It must take a certain special sort of mentality to ride someone who is passed out, and anyone who does it needs to have a long hard look at themselves. There are many ways to imply consent and it doesn't have to be verbal either but anyone with a brain knows when the other person is consenting or not. Unfortunately there's no cure for wrong'uns that I know of so it will continue.
I don't think any sensible or reasonable person could disagree.
'Rape Culture' bullshit turns a lot of those same people fierce defensive and understandably so.
Quote from: Nixer on June 22, 2021, 05:17:33 PM
A morbidly obese woman took advantage of me when I was too drunk to consent once. All the lads still make jokes about it. It's actually really unfair.
:laugh: It is funny. Hot chicks don't rape or at least it's not called rape.
Surprise Sex.
Joint Chiefs Chairman on accusations against military of being "woke":
https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1407745748909838343
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 24, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
Joint Chiefs Chairman on accusations against military of being "woke":
https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1407745748909838343
Was not expecting that reply. Thats the type of general who should lead an army.
'Hungary has no place in the EU'.
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2021/0624/1231085-leaders-lgbtq/
This fella left his band after he caused a stir when he tweeted about a book criticising known terrorists Antifa.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/0624/1231180-winston-marshall-quits-mumford-sons/
Fair play to him for leaving rather than compromising his beliefs.
I don't know the book in question nor do I think it matters what book it was, but fair play to him. His biggest offence remains to be their music.
Quote from: open face surgery on June 24, 2021, 10:39:02 PM
I don't know the book in question nor do I think it matters what book it was, but fair play to him. His biggest offence remains to be their music.
Indeed. Even a harmless shit band like Mumford and sons can get cancelled due to "wrong think".
This is a prime example that this kind of woke shit doesn't just exist on the Internet like so many say it does.
Such utter spastication. Fair play for standing up for himself but what does "examining my blindspots" mean? Fuck this cancel culture shite. It's pathetic. He seems a bit like he's half apologising for having read a book that the far left deem dangerous. Such pathetic wank.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 24, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
Joint Chiefs Chairman on accusations against military of being "woke":
https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/status/1407745748909838343
What the fuck is 'white rage'?
The problem with this 'rebuttal' is that he says it's a case if being widely read and 'understanding' various things by reading a book by a racist prick who hates white people (how to be an anti-racist by that idiot Kendi, extracts include 'white people are devils', 'I hate white peoples'. This fool couldn't even define the word racism when pressed on it).
If we want to be widely read, why not recommend readings of David Irving, or Hitler even? Sure if we are reading the rantings of racist pricks why not widen the net?
I can't understand why anyone would be impressed by this bullshit.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 24, 2021, 11:18:46 PM
Fair play for standing up for himself but what does "examining my blindspots" mean?
Intially, he apologised for praising the book, 'causing offence and hurt' and said that he would examine his blindspots.
Probably because the writer of said book, Andy Ngo, has been widely criticised for intentionally provocative, inflammatory and disingenuous journalism his whole career.
It's shit that he felt the need to leave his band due to backlash, but also one can certainly expect that backlash when praising the work of somebody whose credibility is worth fuck all.
He didn't write the fucking yoke, he just read it :laugh:
I really don't give a fuck what anyone wants to read or what kind of political opinion they hold. What has it got to do with me? I don't think I know everything. In fact, I'm sure I know almost nothing! So what sort of head up arse arrogance would it be for me to feel self- righteous enough to use my own half baked notions of how to get by in the world as the yard stick against which to measure society? It's the behaviour of immature brats who feel justified because their own social cohort tells them that their bullying tactics are somehow not bullying tactics at all. THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS! But there is no end, it's a non- stop conveyor belt of bullshit. Fuck the lot of it.
Quote from: Nazgûl on June 25, 2021, 07:42:19 AM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 24, 2021, 11:18:46 PM
Fair play for standing up for himself but what does "examining my blindspots" mean?
Intially, he apologised for praising the book, 'causing offence and hurt' and said that he would examine his blindspots.
Probably because the writer of said book, Andy Ngo, has been widely criticised for intentionally provocative, inflammatory and disingenuous journalism his whole career.
It's shit that he felt the need to leave his band due to backlash, but also one can certainly expect that backlash when praising the work of somebody whose credibility is worth fuck all.
If its worth fuck all why are the lefties trying to get them cancelled? This is the "wrong think" attitude I was on about.
I'm surprised anybody with a bit fame/visibility even bothers with social media any more
Andy Ngo is vilified only by the far left from what I can see.
He's been physically assaulted by Antifa so it's unsurprising that he is highly critical of them.
Quote"I have spent much time reflecting, reading and listening," he added. "The truth is that my commenting on a book that documents the extreme Far-Left and their activities is in no way an endorsement of the equally repugnant Far-Right. The truth is that reporting on extremism at the great risk of endangering oneself is unquestionably brave. I also feel that my previous apology in a small way participates in the lie that such extremism does not exist, or worse, is a force for good."
Apart from his initial gushing about what seems to be a very sensationalist and exaggerated book (but then, what political inclined books these days does that description not fit??), he's shown remarkable and praise-worthy integrity throughout this. Not just standing his ground, but doing so in a measured and reflected way. A rare thing to see these days, and definitely welcomed. And also, from my perspective, very close to the Joint Chiefs' wee rebuttal up above there. Whatever about agreeing or disagreeing with what he said, he did say it in a very collected and even-handed manner. More of such examples please humanity.
Quote from: Blackout on June 25, 2021, 08:17:35 AM
If its worth fuck all why are the lefties trying to get them cancelled? This is the "wrong think" attitude I was on about.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2021, 07:54:28 AM
He didn't write the fucking yoke, he just read it :laugh:
That's all fair enough, I agree and don't align with any of the cancel culture bullshit either. And just to clarify what I meant a little better:
Mumford & Sons lad praises a book/author on a social media space, inevitably receives backlash because the author's journalism has been heavily criticised or discredited by many, which he then acknowledged by saying he would "examine his blindspots" to the book in question. Turns out he still stands by his initial opinion having 'examined it'...that's all I took it to mean.
Anyway, himself (and his bandmates) dealt with the situation with integrity as mentioned above, so more power to him.
I think the "blindspots" he referred to was more in relation to how he interreacts with the world. That's what I took from it.
Very well could be that too.
I just watched an ad for 'anti rape' shorts on German TV for female joggers.
I wonder why German women need to wear such things in this day and age.?
Maybe Angela Merkel and co could provide some answers...?
The road to Damascus.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 25, 2021, 12:48:00 PM
I just watched an ad for 'anti rape' shorts on German TV for female joggers.
I wonder why German women need to wear such things in this day and age.?
Maybe Angela Merkel and co could provide some answers...?
Merkel/Germany are geniuses. Import loads of dodgy people and then sell the appropriate rape protections to their own citizens.
Ah yes, this is because of that law in Germany where you're only allowed advertise products that people need, right? I hadn't heard of that law before, but going by your reactions I presume they must have one.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 25, 2021, 02:03:35 PM
Ah yes, this is because of that law in Germany where you're only allowed advertise products that people need, right? I hadn't heard of that law before, but going by your reactions I presume they must have one.
It was tongue in cheek you insufferable fuckwit.
Are you now spokesperson for the collective trinity above?? I hadn't realized. Tbh, gun to my head, I'd have picked Kev instead.
I'm the spokesperson for people against using Americanised English in their word salads.
Quote from: Blackout on June 25, 2021, 02:29:09 PM
I'm the spokesperson for people against using Americanised English in their word salads.
Educate yo'self befo' you break yo'self homey!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_spelling
Oh dear.
I know, right? Imagine being Irish and criticizing someone for not using "British" English spelling (as if we owed Britain some kind of linguistic loyalty despite them effectively killing our own language anyway) only to find out that your criticism was itself inaccurate. Oh dear, oh dear!
Second or third time you've made such a remark to me on the forum, so decided it was time you learnt the truth.
Quote from: Blackout on June 25, 2021, 02:29:09 PM
I'm the spokesperson for people against using Americanised English in their word salads.
You make a cheeky comment and then get pissy when you receive a cheeky reply? And you're insulting an Irish person for not using British English?? That's some weak sauce strategy right there bro.
That's enough, ladies. Everybody stop being so perpetually offended.
How do anti rape shorts work, btw?
Quote from: Giggles on June 25, 2021, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: Blackout on June 25, 2021, 02:29:09 PM
I'm the spokesperson for people against using Americanised English in their word salads.
You make a cheeky comment and then get pissy when you receive a cheeky reply? And you're insulting an Irish person for not using British English?? That's some weak sauce strategy right there bro.
Reminds of someone else who used to post here.
Quote from: Giggles on June 25, 2021, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: Blackout on June 25, 2021, 02:29:09 PM
I'm the spokesperson for people against using Americanised English in their word salads.
You make a cheeky comment and then get pissy when you receive a cheeky reply? And you're insulting an Irish person for not using British English?? That's some weak sauce strategy right there bro.
Didn't realise soyboys wife was on here too....
I can't believe that 'Karen' film isn't a pisstake!
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on June 25, 2021, 03:57:47 PM
That's enough, ladies. Everybody stop being so perpetually offended.
How do anti rape shorts work, btw?
They have a big hairy cock and balls sewn onto the front.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 25, 2021, 07:54:28 AM
He didn't write the fucking yoke, he just read it :laugh:
I really don't give a fuck what anyone wants to read or what kind of political opinion they hold. What has it got to do with me? I don't think I know everything. In fact, I'm sure I know almost nothing! So what sort of head up arse arrogance would it be for me to feel self- righteous enough to use my own half baked notions of how to get by in the world as the yard stick against which to measure society? It's the behaviour of immature brats who feel justified because their own social cohort tells them that their bullying tactics are somehow not bullying tactics at all. THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS! But there is no end, it's a non- stop conveyor belt of bullshit. Fuck the lot of it.
I really hate reading about someones right to earn a living being taken from them becauce of these bullies.
I recall reading something similar happening to be singer from Kasabian last year.
I think his das a billionaire and he must have saved a pound or two so I don't think he'll be stacking shelves in Tesco any time soon
Ah yeah, straight to the hallowed shelves of Marks and Spencer.
Jaysus would they shut the fuck up about UEFA not lighting up the Allianz arena in homosexual colours for that Hungary match.
Eamon Dunphy calling it 'catastrophic' and slandering the whole nation of Hungary and these 'activists' on OTB comparing it to apartheid and that Hungary should be kicked out if the tournament! They got knocked out anyway ye gimps! Christ, I've had it with all this bullshit.
Most won't speak out against it with fear of cancellation. I guarantee that a lot of people are probably sick of it but sure why bother risking your income over speaking out?
All they had to do was leave the politics out of soccer and nobody would be offended one way or the other. They should never have started with any of it and now it's gone fucking stupid like everything else.
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bd37cbea91d0e8fc6adeef0e52a80763a6dee7e3/0_156_2957_1774/master/2957.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=a486ebc315cf87f1d286f285b434f4e6)
And that picture nicely encapsulates where we are currently heading if we keep up all this virtue signalling bullshit.
10/10 :laugh: :abbath:
That photo is, at best, a reminder that international sport of all kinds has pretty much always been made political.
Anyway, anyone kicking up shit about UEFA refusing the rainbow lighting, suggested to send a message to Hungary, who isn't also actively pushing to have their national team boycott the World Cup in Qatar, well, if for no other reason they can be ignored for that one.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 26, 2021, 08:29:31 PM
That photo is, at best, a reminder that international sport of all kinds has pretty much always been made political full of misguided, run with the crowd, soul selling, virtue signalling just because it's "in" rather than it signalling any actual virtue on the part of the sender, bullshit. It fully explains why sports should stay the fuck out of it, and even if they haven't before they can and should still start right now.
Fully agree.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 26, 2021, 08:29:31 PM
Anyway, anyone kicking up shit about UEFA refusing the rainbow lighting, suggested to send a message to Hungary, who isn't also actively pushing to have their national team boycott the World Cup in Qatar, well, if for no other reason they can be ignored for that one.
Agree fully, but stronger.
Soccer hates gays.
Quote from: open face surgery on June 26, 2021, 09:43:22 PM
Soccer hates gays.
They kicks balls for heavens sake. They hate men. Big if true.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 26, 2021, 08:29:31 PM
Anyway, anyone kicking up shit about UEFA refusing the rainbow lighting, suggested to send a message to Hungary, who isn't also actively pushing to have their national team boycott the World Cup in Qatar, well, if for no other reason they can be ignored for that one.
It sticks in the craw slightly but that is an excellent point.
I'm glad I don't follow sports, there's too much bullshit attached to it.
Has anyone watched the news channel GB news? Ive caught bits of it and I really think I want to beat Dan Wottoon with a toilet brush over his smug kiwi face.
He was on the other night complaining how the new version of The Weakest link has Romish Ragansthan hosting it and had very wittedly (or so he thought) dubbed it the'wokest' link. That jock who does the Coast Program was on it and that blonde screeching women carol something or other was on all having a big circle jerk.
I actually think Romish will be good on the show. If you don't you're probably just being racist.
"I actually think Romish will be good on the show. If you don't you're probably just being racist."
Aye but can he do the wink ;) :laugh:
I understand that this sentiment will go against the general thrust of this thread but I'm watching That 70s Show for the first time in twenty years, and what once seemed like an innocent lightweight sitcom now reveals itself for the problematic, backwards, hateful and bigoted work it truly is. The episode that is currently boiling my blood has the kids all doing careers day and the gag is that Jackie is working as a mechanic. As if a beautiful strong independent woman of colour couldn't possibly thrive in such a patriarchal environment. Of course, she smashes it (and why wouldn't she, you fucking Nazi??) to much ensuing ironic hilarity. Hello! Way to drag society backward by, what, fifty years! It's disgusting. And don't even get me started on the sickening caricature of an immigrant that is Fez. Is his accent even real? I doubt it. I think it's appalling that this sick filth is still being aired, and I haven't even mentioned Donna, who is a hottie and a GINGE! Sick, sick, sick...
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on June 29, 2021, 07:22:50 PM
Has anyone watched the news channel GB news? Ive caught bits of it and I really think I want to beat Dan Wottoon with a toilet brush over his smug kiwi face.
He was on the other night complaining how the new version of The Weakest link has Romish Ragansthan hosting it and had very wittedly (or so he thought) dubbed it the'wokest' link. That jock who does the Coast Program was on it and that blonde screeching women carol something or other was on all having a big circle jerk.
I actually think Romish will be good on the show. If you don't you're probably just being racist.
Haven't watched any of it but I was looking at a gbnewsfails twitter account which is pretty funny. I thought the advertisers running a mile after the launch was an indicator that it might have something going for it but still not enough to go as far as looking at it.
The amount of times the camera is not in the right direction, or on a completely irrelevant guest when someone else is talking or if the sound doesn't come on for a guest for a good few seconds does make it look very amateurish. There was a report that a Welsh episode of paw patrol out drew it in the ratings, but if GBN our drew the BBC or Sky news does that not say more about our news in general?
Yeah that gbnewsfails is riddled with that sort of stuff. It seems to have a sort of Channel 5 level of quality. That in itself is no bad thing for a laugh but makes it seem a bit like the Daily Sport vs the apparent Sunday Times that is the BBC news. (apparent).
Here's an offended chap that I just saw and found funny https://twitter.com/i/status/1410062473642733570
If BBC reported the news without adding the postmodern, social justice stuff, it'd blow GB News out of the water.
The multicultural crew of the Mayflower (I know right, fascinating) and 'suspected' of 'far right' 'sympathies' are going to annoy rather than inform.
I like Neil Oliver, though. Passionate about his work.
Romesh Ranganathan as host of The Weakest Link is perfect...for keeping his chronically unfunny persona off my radar.
He like to keeps throwing out there that he's Asian too, as if people wouldn't know (Dickhead). He doesn't do himself any favours.
He can throw out there that he's Asian all he likes, if he was funny it wouldn't matter, and I certainly don't have a problem with that aspect of him. Mel Brooks, Woody Allen, etc., were constantly "throwing out there" that they were Jewish, but they were genuinely funny.
Yeah that would be good if it was funny, but that seems to be a main bit from what I see. That and going AAAAH! in a sarcastic way.
Mel Brook is great.
Quote from: livingabortion on June 30, 2021, 06:58:37 PM
Yeah that would be good if it was funny, but that seems to be a main bit from what I see. That and going AAAAH! in a sarcastic way.
Mel Brook is great.
Mel Brooks is awesome.
"We'll give some land to the niggers and chinks, but we don't want the Irish"
:)
There was a programme on Brooks on BBC4 the other night, interviews with Alan Yentob. I thought he was nothing but annoying myself, I knocked it off after 10-15 mins.
That being said, Blazing Saddles is my favourite comedy.
Quote from: Carnage on June 30, 2021, 10:24:33 PM
There was a programme on Brooks on BBC4 the other night, interviews with Alan Yentob. I thought he was nothing but annoying myself, I knocked it off after 10-15 mins.
That being said, Blazing Saddles is my favourite comedy.
I loved some other stuff of his when being a young lad, like Young Frankenstein and Spaceballs, but feel like Blazing Saddles aged the best.
Young Frankenstein I came around to slowly, really enjoy it now. Spaceballs and The Producers I find terminally unfunny TBH.
With you on Spaceballs but enjoyed The Producers last time I saw it (about 15 years ago though).
Anyone see the remake of The Producers? Uma Thurman, Mathew Brodrick and Nathan Lane?
I see an investigation has been launched because a homosexual flag was confiscated in Baku at the Euros. An investigation. Over a steward taking a flag off of a big mouth with two gallons of booze in him. Fuck off.
Was talking to a chap the other day and he was likening the current state of the rainbow movement to when Nirvana and Pearl Jam shirts went on sale in the likes of Penneys, as in that was when the movement was officially over. Now I'm not saying the Rainbow movement is as dead as grunge but it's the same slippery slope once it gets as corporate as it has. Major difference being that people were allowed to disagree over Grunge and didn't have to pretend they like it for fear of being tarred as some sort of Nazi. Anyhow, I thought it was an interesting point.
"a homosexual flag"
lol, what are you, 95? It was a rainbow flag, and I guess they're investigating whether it was confiscated in the same way any object could be confiscated from a drunken lout if they were causing a disturbance with it, or whether it was confiscated simply because it was a rainbow flag, in which case the stadium management would have to answer to UEFA since it was a UEFA event. Simple, basic, keep your hair on.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 04, 2021, 01:52:11 PM
"a homosexual flag"
lol, what are you, 95? It was a rainbow flag, and I guess they're investigating whether it was confiscated in the same way any object could be confiscated from a drunken lout if they were causing a disturbance with it, or whether it was confiscated simply because it was a rainbow flag, in which case the stadium management would have to answer to UEFA since it was a UEFA event. Simple, basic, keep your hair on.
It could mean many different things when you say a rainbow flag. But it's all clear when saying a homosexual flag :)
No, you've got that arse backwards. A rainbow flag is a flag composed of the colours of the rainbow. A homosexual flag could mean many different things. For example, a flag with this on it:
(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/couple-gay-icon-flat-style-260nw-452424586.jpg)
Maybe, but why is it headline news? It's a total non-event, but Azerbaijan is nominally a Muslim country so there's that, which of course wasn't mentioned by the BBC. The left loves a Muhommaden but it seems oblivious to the hatred the boys have for it. Strange bedfellows...
This Dutch asshole wants to kick Hungary out of the EU and invite Turkey, TURKEY in. If I was in the other side of the square cod/bratwurst debate, I know where I'd rather live.
Hungarian police are not very nice to Afghan I immigrants trying to sneak in from Serbia either. Naughty naughty, they'll be forced to regain their autonomy if they keep this non 'core values' carry on up for much longer.
I wonder would we get the same furore if someone took Davy Keogh's "Says Hello" flag? Probably not, but then the chances are it wouldn't be taken from him. I dunno, like live and let live and all that and the flag in itself isn't harming anybody.
Bloody willy choppers...☠️
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 04, 2021, 02:25:10 PM
No, you've got that arse backwards. A rainbow flag is a flag composed of the colours of the rainbow. A homosexual flag could mean many different things. For example, a flag with this on it:
(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/couple-gay-icon-flat-style-260nw-452424586.jpg)
Ah, fuck man, we need to keep things simple. A homo flag is a homo flag :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 04, 2021, 02:26:41 PM
Maybe, but why is it headline news? It's a total non-event, but Azerbaijan is nominally a Muslim country so there's that, which of course wasn't mentioned by the BBC. The left loves a Muhommaden but it seems oblivious to the hatred the boys have for it. Strange bedfellows...
This Dutch asshole wants to kick Hungary out of the EU and invite Turkey, TURKEY in. If I was in the other side of the square cod/bratwurst debate, I know where I'd rather live.
Hungarian police are not very nice to Afghan I immigrants trying to sneak in from Serbia either. Naughty naughty, they'll be forced to regain their autonomy if they keep this non 'core values' carry on up for much longer.
I found the Azerbaijan team on the last Eurovision contest the hottest!! So there's that :)
You have a taste for the balijas eh?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 05, 2021, 10:14:19 AM
You have a taste for the balijas eh?
Not for balijas really, but find some of their women really hot.
Not one to pass up an opportunity to leer at fine women I looked up the aforementioned Azerbaijani group, Warhead is correct, they'd re-erect the twin towers.
Speaking of politics in soccer
https://www.ft.com/content/f177cfd0-24b8-49ba-bdd8-99b975828d23
Progressive patriotism 😂😂😂😂
The Liberal Far Right should really take that stance. They could be on to something there...
QuoteSome Labour sympathisers grumbled that the England manager had managed to produce a more articulate statement of "progressive patriotism" than Starmer himself ever had.
Source for Labour party-related use of "progressive patriotism": https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/29/rebecca-long-bailey-makes-opening-pitch-for-labour-leadership
Next sentence in FT article:
QuoteConservatives and Johnson supporters are less ecstatic. Some seem to believe that Southgate is becoming a tool of deep Woke — with one Tory strategist telling me that the England manager's patriotism essay was "suspiciously well-written".
Author was apparently attempting some kind of satire. He said as much on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/jtruk/status/1412438123976564741
This is what happens when people in their autumn years attempt to troll.
He says the phrase "Deep Woke" was in jest, which it seems like it is even on first reading. I was just amazed that such an article was produced at all around the England manager's political responsibilities/beliefs.
It's fucking soccer.
The Ukrainian players faces when 'dem across de water' knelt down was priceless. Kane looked mortified aswell.
Soccer is choc full of politics, from Lazio to St Pauli (vom) and everything in between, from the fans. Nevertheless, the fuckin' eejits in charge shouldn't be stoking it.
Just had a very quick glance at Southgate's letter there. The manager of the English football team, a pretty big deal as far as public figures go. It could hardly go uncommented in the press:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/dear-england-gareth-southgate-euros-soccer
Sure as I said before, in which period of history has sport *not* been used politically?? It's where the roots of it are. Those three lions aren't there because of David Attenborough y'know.
You're right it has always been there, but it's never too late to stop. Sport should be apolitical. I concede that it never will be though, much like everything else in the world.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 06, 2021, 03:04:40 PM
Not one to pass up an opportunity to leer at fine women I looked up the aforementioned Azerbaijani group, Warhead is correct, they'd re-erect the twin towers.
Am really glad you've liked what you've seen :)
From The Daily Reich....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9756641/Primary-school-deletes-Twitter-complaints-Euros-video-mindless-hooliganism.html
Vote Justin #1
https://mobile.twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1412465261274402822
'Explicit hate groups' 😂
Ah jaysus. Can't even have a laugh these days without having to apologise for it.
https://www.the42.ie/bernard-obyrne-apology-raheem-sterling-penalty-euro-2020-5490284-Jul2021/
That's a good fucking joke! It's only offensive to white angry dickheads.
But he's a white male living it up in his privilege mansion. Also, he has culturally appropriated a predominantly black sport. Shame. Shame. Shame.
He really should try to be less white. It's so unbecoming.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 09, 2021, 12:08:20 PM
He really should try to be less white. It's so unbecoming.
He's more pink than white.
Having a go at us pinkfaces now? Charming.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 09, 2021, 12:28:28 PM
Having a go at us pinkfaces now? Charming.
Er.... eh... I-I-I-I made some comments that I hadn't really thought through. I had drank a few glasses of red wine and had taken some back-pain medic.... prescribed back-pain medication... prescribed to my wife - full disclosure.... before taking to a local scene heavy metal talk-page. Nobody has done more for the pink faced community than me... So of my best friends have high blood pressure.
:laugh:
Similar to the Ellefson thing; nothing "wrong" with the joke in and of itself, but a public figure should reflect a couple of seconds longer than the lad down the pub or than, y'know, a comedian. For one thing cos there are enough morons out there that would start thinking, "Yeah, he got that penalty cos he's black. It's PC gone mad!!"
Ah give over. The kind of clown who would jump to that kind of conclusion is beyond reason. It was a simple play on words and reflects more on the culture of diving and high drama that has become a feature of soccer in recent times. The fact that he got burned out of it is because anyone taking the piss out of a black person now in any respect, even a cheating yet insanely well paid footballer, must be a hateful bigot. There is no sense of proportion. I mean, that poor millionaire really is the victim here :laugh:
Any backlash is not about him personally having the piss taken out of him at all though, and you well know it.
Of course, but anyone who is going to read that much into a funny pun needs to chill out, have a beer and get down off their high horse. Sometimes a joke is just a joke.
Then again, allowing myself to be drawn into this pointless twitter nonsense is the point at which I need to take a breath, pull my head out of my hole and leave the various ideologues to their meaningless battles.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 10, 2021, 10:12:37 AM
Of course, but anyone who is going to read that much into a funny pun needs to chill out, have a beer and get down off their high horse. Sometimes a joke is just a joke.
Totally agree, in the abstract. But that's not how the world works, and part of the responsibility you take on when you become head of a national sporting association is not to act publicly as you would privately down the pub with the lads. And yeah, even more so, aul ruddy-face really should be less tone deaf about things like BLM given that he's the head of
basketball as opposed to, say, polo.
Ah the old offended by everything brigade. What dickheads.
TBH the thing I find most irritating about these sot of incidences is the shitty apologies that come after. Man the fuck up say something with a stem of honesty.. "It was a joke and I can see why some people might not like it but that was how it was meant so there you go" would do fine. Fair point that they should take a little time to think beforehand but once it's out don't just pander to the PC brigade with the grovelling shit.
And what if it's not "the PC brigade" he's "pandering to" but rather black Irish basketball players and coaches for whom "Black Lives Matter" is a genuinely serious issue and towards whom he also has a professional duty? [Spoiler: this is the reality of the situation.] It makes him come across as someone who has never had a conversation with a black person about the topic, despite their presence in the sport he presides over. It'd be like John Dennis, vice president of Hockey Ireland, publicly making a rape pun. Would you be as surprised if an apology was demanded of him? Or maybe rape is also too far removed from yizzers' sphere of concern for it to resonate.
If a mate of mine had made this joke to me in private, I'd have laughed at the play on words. I find it mind-boggling that ye refuse to see the difference between that and a publicly made statement by the head of a national sporting association. Persecution complexes indeed...
Comparing a diving football twat with the issue of rape is ridiculous, even for you.
Get off your high horse there cowboy.
Imagine a joke requiring this much analysis. A joke....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 10, 2021, 03:42:19 PM
Comparing a diving football twat with the issue of rape is ridiculous, even for you.
Get off your high horse there cowboy.
But comparing a diving football twat with the issue of innocent black people getting killed is fine. That's what you're saying?
I think if you run the point I was making through your head again, nice and slowly this time, you may just grasp what I was getting at.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2021, 03:34:19 PM
black Irish basketball players and coaches for whom "Black Lives Matter" is a genuinely serious issue
Seriously?! Why? Are many of these black Irish getting murdered by da police?
It's a U.S. thing isn't it? As far as I know the vast majority of those shot by Gardai are white Irish. Anybody is perfectly entitled to support BLM by all means (and I can see the validity of the idea, people shouldn't be shot more often due to their race), but don't try to bring it over here as a thing when, to quote Jules from Pulp Fiction, it " ain't the same ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport".
Not even getting into the lunacy of comparing it to a rape joke.
Well, this is what it boils down to, isn't it? A bunch of white lads on a forum thinking they get to explain to black Irish people what they should and shouldn't be concerned about. Fair play to yiz, doing the lord's own work.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2021, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 10, 2021, 03:42:19 PM
Comparing a diving football twat with the issue of rape is ridiculous, even for you.
Get off your high horse there cowboy.
But comparing a diving football twat with the issue of innocent black people getting killed is fine. That's what you're saying?
I think if you run the point I was making through your head again, nice and slowly this time, you may just grasp what I was getting at.
Knock the being a condescending prick on the head, yeah? Good lad...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2021, 04:16:41 PM
Well, this is what it boils down to, isn't it? A bunch of white lads on a forum thinking they get to explain to black Irish people what they should and shouldn't be concerned about. Fair play to us, doing the lord's own work.
Fixed that for you there, you're just as guilty, White Knight Carnage.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2021, 04:16:41 PM
Well, this is what it boils down to, isn't it? A bunch of white lads on a forum thinking they get to explain to black Irish people what they should and shouldn't be concerned about. Fair play to yiz, doing the lord's own work.
Yeah, all the black people on here are up in arms at us explaining it to them. Just look at their reactions!
Bit of pot and kettle in that statement if you think about it. You are white and Irish and you seem to think you're doing the lord's work here campaigning on their behalf for their right to be offended. Do I get offended about the plight of the whites in South Africa? No I don't, it doesn't apply here and I know both brown and pink South Africans. Had a smoke with the brown South African lad a couple of weeks ago and nothing regarding race came anywhere near the conversation, same as every other time. Shouldn't he hate me or something because of my general pinkness? Most people aren't looking to be offended as their general thing and that applies to all colours.
Quote from: Carnage on July 10, 2021, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2021, 04:16:41 PM
Well, this is what it boils down to, isn't it? A bunch of white lads on a forum thinking they get to explain to black Irish people what they should and shouldn't be concerned about. Fair play to us, doing the lord's own work.
Fixed that for you there, you're just as guilty, White Knight Carnage.
You'd be right and that'd be fair enough, except that certain relevant black Irish have already expressed themselves on the subject, something I looked up before presuming to speak for them, since others were presuming this was just about the "PC brigade". Not so much white knighting as relaying a message you're all voluntarily deaf too:
Quote"The comment comes in relation to such an important issue, which has dominated so many peoples' lives over the last three to four years in relation to racial discrimination and social justice. That's why people have reacted as strongly as they have and it's understandable.
"The incidents which occurred in America have affected the world regarding Black Lives Matter. It has seen us reflect on so many social injustices which are around around the world. It's unacceptable to make a comment which diminishes the importance of what has taken place." [Jerome Westbrooks, (black) former Ireland player and coach]
And from one of Ireland's best pro prospects, currently living in the US (where all the best basketball players, black or white, are most likely to end up, so, y'know...):
https://twitter.com/aidanigiehon/status/1413542890500988929
If you think white guy apologizing over this joke is an example of the PC brigade gone mad, it's just that ye don't give a shit about something black people clearly take extremely seriously. Yes, as seriously as women take rape. The comparison shocks you only because you don't get how seriously they take it. See? No, I know ye don't, but that's how it is.
No, I
am right since, by your own admission, you explicitly state that that's what you're doing.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2021, 04:16:41 PM
Well, this is what it boils down to, isn't it? A bunch of white lads on a forum thinking they get to explain to black Irish people what they should and shouldn't be concerned about. Fair play to yiz, doing the lord's own work.
...
You'd be right and that'd be fair enough, except that certain relevant black Irish have already expressed themselves on the subject, something I looked up before presuming to speak for them, since others were presuming this was just about the "PC brigade"
Whether you looked it up or not is irrelevant, it's not your place to speak for them.
Living in that selfbuilt echo chamber must be deafening.
Speaking for someone and relaying what someone has said are not the same thing, much as that may inconvenience the tired argument to the contrary.
So you admit it then? Grand, let's move on.
So we have a good Carnage on here after all :laugh:
Ah, the approbation that speaks louder than any critique of mine ever could.
Nothing more dangerous to the black man than a white liberal.
We were the black Irish long before anyone with Sub Saharan DNA arrived in the kip.
The apologies are absolutely sickening. Like a lad being rolled out with a gun to his head by Lebanese Arabs in the 1980s. Never apologise!
Are Irish jokes ok now, as they are presumably aimed at the white black Irish? My primary concern with all of this nonsense is the vehement défense of anyone who is not white and heterosexual as if they are all so highly strung and precious that Prince Valiant here has to ride in and chastise the offender and his 'sycophants' .The condescension is excruciating, and it's all over the place.
Prince Valiant 😂
:laugh:
Yeah, forget about this guy paid a state-funded salary, let's get back to taking umbrage at important things, like that random blogger who photoshopped an iron cross onto a shoe. Unconscionable!
Shurrup ya big fookin tart :laugh:
Seriously though, if you had to, off the top of your heads, give a description of what the state pays the head of Basketball Ireland to do, what would you imagine that entails?
Leftie scum standing up for child rapists and murderers. Disgusting.... absolute dregs of society.
You'd nearly think that they were being paid to do this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1413248265093623815?s=20
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Seriously though, if you had to, off the top of your heads, give a description of what the state pays the head of Basketball Ireland to do, what would you imagine that entails?
I couldn't give an absolute phuck tbh. The state pisses away far more dolla on way more worthless shite than that clown.
You'd nearly think there was some kind of agenda behind it all, wouldn't you?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Seriously though, if you had to, off the top of your heads, give a description of what the state pays the head of Basketball Ireland to do, what would you imagine that entails?
Jaysus let it go.
This is why these social media enemies of the people/saboteurs/what ever ye call them in the Politburo should never, ever apologise.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 06, 2021, 09:11:12 PM
Vote Justin #1
https://mobile.twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1412465261274402822
😂 he barely got 1 vote! His third registered name could be Just1vote. The twice married anti-divorce (until it suits) rosary bead worshipping waste of space only managed a vote from 1 in every 400 eligible voters and lost his deposit 😁
He'd have to increase his vote by 50% to get the "National" Party to a mere 1%. His god is dead, and his vision for a Catholic Ireland is repulsive to say the least (the same warped system that led to him being born into a mother and baby home, WTF??). The people have spoken, well and truly a loser yet again, but he will no doubt parachute into another area next time to carry on with his nonsense.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 10, 2021, 07:45:22 PM
This is why these social media enemies of the people/saboteurs/what ever ye call them in the Politburo should never, ever apologise.
I'm a bit confused as to who you're referring to there, but politics just is about diplomacy and compromise and all the rest, and much like a politician who wanted to get elected would find himself forced to apologize if he stupidly made a joke in public about people from a certain area of his constituency - regardless of how funny people from outside of that area found it -, it was politically obvious that the head of Basketball Ireland would have to apologize for this joke, even if it was only a joke. The position of head of any national sporting body is absolutely a political one, and if something similar had happened in the 80s, it would have been the same. It's just politics. I know ye are all wrapped up in the idea that a "PC brigade" are constantly persecuting good folk, but that doesn't change the reality of the world, and if you're paid to promote basketball and then end up poking fun at the ethnic group most closely associated with the sport, you're gonna have to apologize, just like any politician at any point in history would have. Not PC gone mad, not persecution, just politics.
Outside of the USA and to an extent France, the vast majority of the best teams comprise of primarily white players, whether it's Lithuania, Serbia, Argentina, Slovenia, Spain or Australia. More than one perspective when it comes to that sport, just like there is more to basketball than the NBA.
My point is, an apology is an exercise in futility. The mob not forgive or forget. You might as well double down, fuck 'em.
Here, just spotted this on my travels. It might help to put an end some of the arguments on here for once and for all
https://www.facebook.com/briankennedymusic/videos/take-two-black-lives-matter/260785135169761/
Jesus.
He's not looking after himself.
Black Lads Matter.
That message needed to be put in a box, that box in a car, and that car driven off a very tall cliff.
He looks like he's ready for his box.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 11, 2021, 02:02:37 PM
Here, just spotted this on my travels. It might help to put an end some of the arguments on here for once and for all
https://www.facebook.com/briankennedymusic/videos/take-two-black-lives-matter/260785135169761/
Poor oul Brain looks like he's been up all night working those inspiring lyrics. I think he needs more acid.
I see that was take two as well. Hopefully the first one was even more inspiring
Why are the media and police saying that graffiti on the Rashford mural was 'racially aggravated'? Same with that homosexual who was murdered in Galicia here in Spain was homophobic? There is no evidence for either.
It's now racist to have a go at a black player for missing a pen. Saying that, there are some genuinely thick, racist cunts getting on his case and stoking the fires quite nicely.
The Twitter twats? Absolutely.
However, it's clear you cannot have a go at black lads for any reason, unless you're having a go at Candace Owens or Kanye West. I mean, Chris is blacker than them!
Black republicans are fair game, due to their associations with whiteness.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 12, 2021, 09:33:41 PM
Why are the media and police saying that graffiti on the Rashford mural was 'racially aggravated'? Same with that homosexual who was murdered in Galicia here in Spain was homophobic? There is no evidence for either.
The media do whatever they want, in one direction or the other. As for the police, in the first case, I imagine, for the moment, it's just the general context, giving only circumstantial evidence, so you're right that there's no proof just yet. In the second case, the Spanish police have been fairly insistent that they don't know yet, no? People with him have said homophobic insults were used during the killing, which may not be strong evidence, but is witness evidence, however reliable or not.
Not really surprised that this is the dimension you're put out by in the two cases though, the former not really that serious in the grand scheme of things, but the second an absolutely brutal, senseless killing. Something stirred up proper hate in the 6 to 10 people said to have beaten him to death, continuing even after he was visibly motionless.
I'm alarmed and startled that there are monster anti-homophobia marches happening all over Spain, even though, according to El País, a left leaning newspaper, the police reckon it was probably over a misunderstanding about whether or not he was using his phone to record them. No mention of slurs or anything. They of course give the stats for homophobic what-have-yous, just because the victim is gay, implying that it must be homophobic. It's mad.
As regards the graffiti, they wrote 'Fuck Sancho' and 'Shit Sako'. That's it. But they are black, and we must take the proverbial knee, only white players can be criticised in such a way, otherwise it's racist. Load of bollix! Cops calling it racially aggravated. Why? Fuck this bullshit.
You have to ask yourself why Southgate chose a very young, raw black player to take the final penalty in the first place. Would have made a great headline had they won.
South Africa has fair gone to the dregs.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 04:25:00 AM
I'm alarmed and startled that there are monster anti-homophobia marches happening all over Spain, even though, according to El País, a left leaning newspaper, the police reckon it was probably over a misunderstanding about whether or not he was using his phone to record them. No mention of slurs or anything. They of course give the stats for homophobic what-have-yous, just because the victim is gay, implying that it must be homophobic. It's mad.
As regards the graffiti, they wrote 'Fuck Sancho' and 'Shit Sako'. That's it. But they are black, and we must take the proverbial knee, only white players can be criticised in such a way, otherwise it's racist. Load of bollix! Cops calling it racially aggravated. Why? Fuck this bullshit.
You have to ask yourself why Southgate chose a very young, raw black player to take the final penalty in the first place. Would have made a great headline had they won.
Maybe Southgate was 'advised' that would be a good idea.
Now I don't give a FUCK about football, but it's always great to see the English loose. I read about it and apparently on the BBC they didn't mention Italy until the 50th minute, (not like England to be bias eh?), and when they got the goal they were jumping around like they had won, but then the Italians came back and handed their arse to them and took the victory. And the fans, they carried on in typical form, fighting, rioting and being racist. Not only were the racist against the Italian team, but they even turned on their own when the missed the penalties, and many of them without tickets tried to break in to Wembley Stadium. England has already been fined £30,000 for the fans conduct against Denmark for booing their national anthem and shining a laser point at Kasper Schmeichel's face to distract him.
Football, it truly is, "The Beautiful Game".
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 04:25:00 AM
I'm alarmed and startled that there are monster anti-homophobia marches happening all over Spain, even though, according to El País, a left leaning newspaper, the police reckon it was probably over a misunderstanding about whether or not he was using his phone to record them. No mention of slurs or anything. They of course give the stats for homophobic what-have-yous, just because the victim is gay, implying that it must be homophobic. It's mad.
https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-07-07/three-arrested-over-alleged-homophobic-killing-of-samuel-luiz-in-galicia.html
QuoteSpeaking to Spanish TV channel Telecinco, however, a friend of Luiz's who was present when the assault took place, stated that one of the assailants shouted at the victim: "Stop recording us if you don't want me to kill you, you fucking fag."
https://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/sospechoso-crimen-samuel-otra-pelea_18_3169695064.html
The question is not so much whether the fight
started because he was gay, but whether at least part of the reason the initial altercation turned into him being mercilessly beaten to death by a pack of individuals was because he was gay. I take it you understand the difference.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 04:25:00 AMAs regards the graffiti, they wrote 'Fuck Sancho' and 'Shit Sako'. That's it. But they are black, and we must take the proverbial knee, only white players can be criticised in such a way, otherwise it's racist. Load of bollix! Cops calling it racially aggravated. Why? Fuck this bullshit.
Just for the sake of complete accuracy: "Fuck Sancho", "Fuck Saka", "bastard", and, bizarrely, "shite in a bucket". Oh, and a penis too. You can see it more or less clearly here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/oirbn7/marcus_rashfords_vandalised_mural_now_mended_by_a/
I'd say if you asked the police why they're treating it as racially aggravated, they would mention the context of the other racial abuse on social media, plus the booing of the taking the knee, etc., as potential circumstantial reasons to
suspect there is a racial element at play. But you're right, there's no hard proof of that.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 04:25:00 AMYou have to ask yourself why Southgate chose a very young, raw black player to take the final penalty in the first place. Would have made a great headline had they won.
No prizes for pointing out the obvious. I think it's overall fairly clear Southgate had hoped to send a message to the yobs. His wager for a manifestly "inclusive" victory failed, and he accepted full responsibility for the choice of who was going to take the penalties. He did, however, succeed in pushing the conversation he wanted to have with the fan community in general front and centre. Maybe he, and maybe also the likes of Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand who have spoken up on it since, even deem that to be of more longer-lasting importance than taking the cup.
Very sorry to hear all this has you so alarmed and startled though. Hope you'll be okay hun xx
Well the 'yobs' came out in force after the three boys fucked up.
'I take it you understand the difference'. The smarminess, the ego, it's shamelessly on show for the boyz yet again. Nice one :)
A friend his said that? Oh, case closed then! Presumably they didn't know him, nor were aware of his sexuality. But sure fuck that ,right? I'm sure we've both called lads 'benders' or what have you, regardless of their sexuality as young lads.
Your last attempt at humour there at the end was kind of a low rent imitation of KC Tyres, I'm sure he'll be delighted.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 10:19:28 AM'I take it you understand the difference'. The smarminess, the ego, it's shamelessly on show for the boyz yet again. Nice one :)
A friend his said that? Oh, case closed then!
No, case
opened then, geddit? Oh dear, maybe you don't understand the difference after all. Rub the "poor us normal people in the middle" shite out of your eyes man, it makes you really, really thick.
QuoteThere is no evidence for either.
...
No mention of slurs or anything.
Your claims. Then, presented with hard evidence that slurs have been mentioned and that there are witness statements (i.e.
evidence, not proof, but definitely evidence), hop, move the goalposts! Same shit every time. All you poor sensitive "normal" folk having to "deal with" LGBT pride marches. How tough life is for ye! My heart bleeds for you Kev, honestly.
Mildly ironically, that last 'sentence' is incoherent and nonsensical, but sure what do I know, right?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 13, 2021, 10:33:11 AM
QuoteThere is no evidence for either.
...
No mention of slurs or anything.
Your claims. Then, presented with hard evidence that slurs have been mentioned and that there are witness statements (i.e. evidence, not proof, but definitely evidence), hop, move the goalposts! Same shit every time. All you poor sensitive "normal" folk having to "deal with" LGBT pride marches. How tough life is for ye! My heart bleeds for you Kev, honestly.
Hard evidence? Yeaaaaah.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 13, 2021, 10:33:11 AM
QuoteThere is no evidence for either.
...
No mention of slurs or anything.
Your claims. Then, presented with hard evidence that slurs have been mentioned and that there are witness statements (i.e. evidence, not proof, but definitely evidence), hop, move the goalposts! Same shit every time. All you poor sensitive "normal" folk having to "deal with" LGBT pride marches. How tough life is for ye! My heart bleeds for you Kev, honestly.
Hard evidence? Yeaaaaah.
Hard evidence
that slurs have been mentioned and that there is a witness statement, comprising evidence, to that effect, yes. These articles are hard evidence of
that, in the sense that they are genuine, physically existing objects in the world:
https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-07-07/three-arrested-over-alleged-homophobic-killing-of-samuel-luiz-in-galicia.html
https://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/sospechoso-crimen-samuel-otra-pelea_18_3169695064.html
See? I mean, I've just repeated essentially exactly the same sentence I used above, but you read things through such skewed eyes, I don't know how many repetitions it takes before you get to the actual meaning.
Hard evidence equates to facts, scientific evidence. You are so biased, and tripping over yourself to exalt yourself that that seems to have escaped you. There is nothing 'hard' about the 'evidence' that you 'presented'. And from Telecinco? Seriously. The most trash TV station on planet earth.
Consult your Harraps if you're unsue, Mr University Smart Cunt.
Oh dear, Spocks getting testy. He thinks your comments are "HIGHLY illogical" :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 13, 2021, 10:05:55 AMHe did, however, succeed in pushing the conversation he wanted to have with the fan community in general front and centre. Maybe he, and maybe also the likes of Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand who have spoken up on it since, even deem that to be of more longer-lasting importance than taking the cup.
For an intelligent lad, you are an absolute prize cabbage if you genuinely believe that anyone remotely connected to English football deemed it more important to have some kind of conversation about racism, either in football or in a general context, than winning the actual competition. Like, you come out with some absolute dross, are you really suggesting that Southgate is sat somewhere, smiling contently and thinking to himself "yeah, it would have been nice to be that manager that won England their first major international trophy in football since 66 but, sure fuck it, at least I did my bit to further inclusiveness by letting the young, inexperienced black lad take a peno, incurring the wrath of the fans and calling my judgement as a manager into question, because ultimately as a manager, my job is to win games etc etc...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 10:45:18 AM
Hard evidence equates to facts, scientific evidence. You are so biased, and tripping over yourself to exalt yourself that that seems to have escaped you. There is nothing 'hard' about the 'evidence' that you 'presented'. And from Telecinco? Seriously. The most trash TV station on planet earth.
Will I say it again? It's evidence of evidence Kev. Witness statements say that homophobic slurs were used prior to and during the long and extremely brutal attack. The articles and videos posted report that those witness statements exist. And they do exist. There is no contesting the existence of those witness statements. Although, here we are...
As a counter-point to you losing your shit over some LGBT marches (and seriously, again, poor you, must be awful), what evidence was there that the murders of farmers in South Africa were racially and not simply economically motivated? What evidence did you accept in that scenario? Witness statements?? Broader contextual and circumstantial considerations??
Quote from: John Kimble on July 13, 2021, 10:58:29 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 13, 2021, 10:05:55 AMHe did, however, succeed in pushing the conversation he wanted to have with the fan community in general front and centre. Maybe he, and maybe also the likes of Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand who have spoken up on it since, even deem that to be of more longer-lasting importance than taking the cup.
For an intelligent lad, you are an absolute prize cabbage if you genuinely believe that anyone remotely connected to English football deemed it more important to have some kind of conversation about racism, either in football or in a general context, than winning the actual competition. Like, you come out with some absolute dross, are you really suggesting that Southgate is sat somewhere, smiling contently and thinking to himself "yeah, it would have been nice to be that manager that won England their first major international trophy in football since 66 but, sure fuck it, at least I did my bit to further inclusiveness by letting the young, inexperienced black lad take a peno, incurring the wrath of the fans and calling my judgement as a manager into question, because ultimately as a manager, my job is to win games etc etc...
I don't genuinely believe it. I said it's possible. But, now that you mention it, what you describe is actually pretty typical of how the human psyche justifies bad decisions to itself after the fact. Because, in football terms, it was definitely a bad decision.
When did BSC turn into such a big baby lads?
Thirty odd years ago...
It never even dawned on me that Southgate might have picked the young lad to take the peno based on the statement of inclusivity it would make. I don't even know what to think of that. At the time I'd thought the lad just wanted to take one and it was his turn and no one stepped up in front of him. Hopefully that's what it was.
Edit: :laugh: https://twitter.com/ThorDeplorable/status/1414963964249886732
Racism is bad, folks.
It's hard to say, on one hand, he surely wouldn't purposefully risk the only final England have played in nearly 60 years on a 19 year old who has never even taken a penalty in his career before, but on the other, for a person that has a certain political leaning I can only imagine a young black lad winning England's first trophy in nearly 60 years would have been the dream outcome, it would have been the perfect result after the last year with all of the BLM/take the knee debates.
It defies logic on all levels, but in the unlikely event that Southgate chose him based on some misguided sense of inclusivity, he should hang his head in shame and resign. Fuck that. His job is to manage the team with the aim of winning trophies. Not to make some kind of political or social statement. Especially with what's at stake with the England job. Like it's a massive fucking gig. The biggest domestic league in the entire world, they should be better than this. Think of how big a scandal Saipan was for us, then consider that regardless of that, we had no right to even think for two seconds that we stood a chance. England were in the final. With a home advantage. Against a beatable Italian team. The mind boggles.
But sure part of the reason such a mad idea is even conceivable is that every sensible mind was already boggling at the choice of Saka for the decisive penalty! Is there any conceivable game-strategic reason for it?? Personally I can't think of one, but I know far less than most of ye about football tactics.
Didn't Southgate say he picked the ones who were performing best in training. Like isn't that what a manager should do. Problem with penalties nowadays is theyre all looking to see where the keeper is going so they don't have enough power in the shot. Maguires was a proper penalty. Picked his spot and whacked it home. Keeper ain't ever saving that.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 13, 2021, 07:08:56 PM
Didn't Southgate say he picked the ones who were performing best in training.
Yeah he said:
"Penalties are my call. We worked in training. It's not down to the players. Tonight it hasn't gone for us. We know they were the best takers we had left on the pitch. "
I imagine he picked them cause he thought they'd score. Same way he didn't pick Sterling cause he didn't think he'd score.
And they were brought in cold cause he is quite conservative and didn't want many attacking players on.
"To get all those attacking players on you have to do it late. It was a gamble but if you gamble earlier you maybe lose in extra time anyway."
Probably not much more to it.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 13, 2021, 07:08:56 PM
Maguires was a proper penalty. Picked his spot and whacked it home. Keeper ain't ever saving that.
Hate the miserable, ugly head on that cunt (imagine I said that about a black player?) but it was a screamer alright.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 13, 2021, 07:08:56 PM
Didn't Southgate say he picked the ones who were performing best in training. Like isn't that what a manager should do.
Of course he's going to say that. And he might even believe it to be true, but I doubt it. There's no conceivable way that Saka was the next best option to take a penalty, no fucking way, regardless of how he performed in training. Being a competent manager would suggest knowing that the mentality to perform in penalties would be another level above that which is required in a training scenario. Although now the likes of Grealish is saying that he offered to step up and was overruled by Southgate, so who knows. Either way I can't get my head around it and I can rightly understand why any England fan would be miffed. Thankfully they are all notorious cunts so sympathy is in short supply. Still though, I don't see them having a similar chance for a loooooong time.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 13, 2021, 07:08:56 PM
Didn't Southgate say he picked the ones who were performing best in training. Like isn't that what a manager should do. Problem with penalties nowadays is theyre all looking to see where the keeper is going so they don't have enough power in the shot. Maguires was a proper penalty. Picked his spot and whacked it home. Keeper ain't ever saving that.
I don't know what this run, skip and a hop bollocks players are doing with penalties now is about, seems like they miss more often than not doing it.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 13, 2021, 07:08:56 PM
Didn't Southgate say he picked the ones who were performing best in training. Like isn't that what a manager should do. Problem with penalties nowadays is theyre all looking to see where the keeper is going so they don't have enough power in the shot. Maguires was a proper penalty. Picked his spot and whacked it home. Keeper ain't ever saving that.
I don't know what this hop, skip and jump bollocks players are doing with penalties now is about, seems like they miss more often than not doing it.
Used to love Aldridge's technique , annoying as fuck for the opposition.
Southgate got the best out of what he had, and has done since he was appointed, you have to hand it to him, even though I vehemently hate his never ending inclusivity bollocks and knee bending shite. As has been mentioned, and keep in mind this is a conservative coach who plays two holding midfielders, there is no way he considered Saka the best purely footballing option for that penalty. I'd speculate he was on some level inspired by watching a black lad captain South Africa to a rugby World Cup two years ago, not that it's doing the gaff any good now. He gambled, a fools bet, and he lost. He won't admit it but he'll have to live with his decision. We'll have to see what effect it has on the teams performance going forward. Hopefully a very, very bad one.
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 09, 2021, 11:50:47 AM
Ah jaysus. Can't even have a laugh these days without having to apologise for it.
https://www.the42.ie/bernard-obyrne-apology-raheem-sterling-penalty-euro-2020-5490284-Jul2021/
I suppose his white privilege ran out ???
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/othersport/arid-40336421.html
I'm still struggling with the notion that any manager would be such a cunt as to pick a lad to take the potentially losing penalty for any sort of political reason.
The reason he missed was because of toxic masculinity.
Quote from: stearl on July 13, 2021, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 09, 2021, 11:50:47 AM
Ah jaysus. Can't even have a laugh these days without having to apologise for it.
https://www.the42.ie/bernard-obyrne-apology-raheem-sterling-penalty-euro-2020-5490284-Jul2021/
I suppose his white privilege ran out ???
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/othersport/arid-40336421.html
What a fanny! Apologises and then resigns because of Black Dives Matter?!
Declan Rice once tweeted 'Up the Ra' and started a European final for England on Sunday evening. Yeah but that's different though.
I fail to see the point of tweeting anything anymore.
Yeah the Rice one is funny. Wife couldn't believe it when I told her that one.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: stearl on July 13, 2021, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 09, 2021, 11:50:47 AM
Ah jaysus. Can't even have a laugh these days without having to apologise for it.
https://www.the42.ie/bernard-obyrne-apology-raheem-sterling-penalty-euro-2020-5490284-Jul2021/
I suppose his white privilege ran out ???
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/othersport/arid-40336421.html
What a fanny! Apologises and then resigns because of Black Dives Matter?!
Declan Rice once tweeted 'Up the Ra' and started a European final for England on Sunday evening. Yeah but that's different though.
I fail to see the point of tweeting anything anymore.
Luckily I'm not on twitter and I've chosen to ignore as much of the outrage that appears on it. The worst part of this case above is your man apologising. Fuckin ape. Sign of the times sadly, with the bleeding heart mammy's boys with fragile dispositions. Fortunately the only time I encounter that is on here.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 13, 2021, 08:45:56 PM
I'm still struggling with the notion that any manager would be such a cunt as to pick a lad to take the potentially losing penalty for any sort of political reason.
Same, I just can't see that as a reason, but I also can't fathom why he would have picked Saka. The lads never kicked a penalty in a competitive match.
If (and its a massive if) it was for some sort of political/inclusion/whatever reason, surely it should have been Sterling? He's also black, takes penalties at City, and would give a giant redemption arc after all the bollocks he's been subjected to from the English tabloids
I'm guessing maybe Southgate thought Saka would just be a bit of a wildcard and Italy wouldn't have prepped for him being a taker
Quote from: open face surgery on July 13, 2021, 07:35:02 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 13, 2021, 07:08:56 PM
Maguires was a proper penalty. Picked his spot and whacked it home. Keeper ain't ever saving that.
Hate the miserable, ugly head on that cunt (imagine I said that about a black player?) but it was a screamer alright.
If he had missed, it would be interesting to see how much of the racist abuse would be happening today, I think it would have been virtually all anti-United abuse (Saka wouldn't have had to take a penalty as a result).
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 13, 2021, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: stearl on July 13, 2021, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 09, 2021, 11:50:47 AM
Ah jaysus. Can't even have a laugh these days without having to apologise for it.
https://www.the42.ie/bernard-obyrne-apology-raheem-sterling-penalty-euro-2020-5490284-Jul2021/
I suppose his white privilege ran out ???
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/othersport/arid-40336421.html
What a fanny! Apologises and then resigns because of Black Dives Matter?!
Declan Rice once tweeted 'Up the Ra' and started a European final for England on Sunday evening. Yeah but that's different though.
I fail to see the point of tweeting anything anymore.
Luckily I'm not on twitter and I've chosen to ignore as much of the outrage that appears on it. The worst part of this case above is your man apologising. Fuckin ape. Sign of the times sadly, with the bleeding heart mammy's boys with fragile dispositions. Fortunately the only time I encounter that is on here.
'Fuckin Ape' :) Old school, one of the auld lads favourites. One of the neighbours used to call me a 'fuckin' Arab' when I was a young fella because of sliotars and tennis balls hopping off his roof and walls.
I'll probably get called out for being a racist now.
Lads if the best penalty takers in training were those 5 lads that's why they took the penalties. Yer reading wayyyyy too much into this. When I played soccer and we had a cup game you practiced penalties to see whom was the best. It's not rocket science.
Eh, Junior B and this are slightly different.
When I played hurling, a lad climbed over a small wall for a piss in the middle of the match. In school challenge matches against the Gael Scoil we'd laugh in their faces for having two or three girls on the team and scored 'own points' because they were so shite.
And there wasn't a culture war raging either, unless you count the diversity of the GS and them losing 9-46 to 0-3 (all scored by Declan Brennan who was from my school).
Quote from: Trev on July 13, 2021, 09:02:07 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on July 13, 2021, 08:45:56 PM
I'm still struggling with the notion that any manager would be such a cunt as to pick a lad to take the potentially losing penalty for any sort of political reason.
Same, I just can't see that as a reason, but I also can't fathom why he would have picked Saka. The lads never kicked a penalty in a competitive match.
If (and its a massive if) it was for some sort of political/inclusion/whatever reason, surely it should have been Sterling? He's also black, takes penalties at City, and would give a giant redemption arc after all the bollocks he's been subjected to from the English tabloids
I'm guessing maybe Southgate thought Saka would just be a bit of a wildcard and Italy wouldn't have prepped for him being a taker
Yeah I reckon it was something like that. Trying to be too clever and outfoxing himself. I don't really have that pure hatred for the England team (not including the fans, they are obnoxious for the most part) that some seem to have so I felt bad for the young Icarus. Thought Italy were far better on the night though and deserved it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 13, 2021, 08:52:00 PM
Declan Rice once tweeted 'Up the Ra' and started a European final for England on Sunday evening. Yeah but that's different though.
Rice was 16 at the time he made those tweets, so yeah, a bit different alright.
Shouldn't you be off spray painting NAZI on the Sean Russell statue or O'Duffy's headstone, in solidarity with those infantile zombies in Virginia who got the Lewis and Clark (FFS!) statue torn down?
Edit - Fuck this, life is too short to be arguing with Maoists on the internet.
It's Bastille Day man, I'm supposed to be celebrating the destruction of several monuments a couple of hundred years ago. Except of course, as Brel correctly pointed out, "ça n'a rien changé !" Which is just another way of saying life is too short to be worrying about any external trappings!
Les français commencent à boire avant midi aujourd'hui où quoi?
Hmmm je voudrais prendre une verre plus tard, cependant les 'gabachos' ne sont pas populaires ici :)
The first time I read Down and out in Paris and London years ago, I assumed all Frenchmen were incorrigible peeve artists, but I guess it's more of a time rather than place thing.
Plus, I drove across the border into St Lary when I was in the Pyrenees before Corona and the prices...A bottle of vape juice and two small scoopíns cost me the guts of twenty bar, so I'd be keeping it healthy too if I was living there.
No, it's not what it used to be at all. Probably less fighting, domestic abuse and stuff as a positive, but also worse art, worse literature, worse cinema, and much worse philosophy. Aux armes ? Non, aux bars les français, bordel !
(https://www.reussir.fr/lesmarches/sites/lesmarches/files/2910055_image_0017_0038.jpg)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 14, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
No, it's not what it used to be at all. Probably less fighting, domestic abuse and stuff as a positive, but also worse art, worse literature, worse cinema, and much worse philosophy. Aux armes ? Non, aux bars les français, bordel !
(https://www.reussir.fr/lesmarches/sites/lesmarches/files/2910055_image_0017_0038.jpg)
I'm glad someone said it first. Personally I'm getting sick of the missus not showing due respect when I'm trying to put the feet up and blow off some steam.
Unfortunately, domestic abuse is still a huge problem in France, and elsewhere, so I wasn't making light; it probably is less than it used to be though, so that is a definite positive.
It has increased by a massive margin here since the dawn of restrictions. Sure the Gardai are under their own investigation for the level of domestic abuse calls they didn't turn up to in the last year or so.
South Americans are notorious for wife beating here, Colombia and these places have a very macho culture. Not that it doesn't happen among the natives.
The law here would make you think twice, it's very heavy handed when it's non-physical. I guy I know found out his bird was playing away and sent her a WhatsApp calling her a 'fucking whore' (which is what she is). Up before a special judge the next day on gender violence charges (which were thrown out but still).
If the roles were reversed or it was a pair of homosexuals, the law doesn't apply and the polis won't even entertain it.
Strong women indeed.
Stated In 2020: Gardaí report a 25% increase in domestic violence calls compared to same time last year.
https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/libraryResearch/2020/2020-06-09_l-rs-note-domestic-violence-and-covid-19-in-ireland_en.pdf
Having initially framed it in the wider context of online racial abuse after the final, Manchester Police have now said they're not, or no longer, treating the Rashford mural graffiti as being per se racist in nature. It's political correctness gone...erm... unmad!
Blue paint used, only the two United players named, no mention of Saka.
City fans.
What a wee angel :-*
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-swastika-tattoo-bum-hitlers-24530478?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=star_main
That swastika is ms paint quality :laugh:
Jimmy Carr had a good joke about domestic abuse that rings true.
Was that for Random Thoughts, or....?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 17, 2021, 01:50:41 PM
Was that for Random Thoughts, or....?
I knew you would push the outrage button before researching. Here is the "joke":
"It's just so stupid, isn't it? Beating your wife... I mean, it's your wife- it's like keying your own car".
It's a good observation on how ridiculous and illogical domestic violence is.
Dude this is why people ridicule you. You behave like you're vastly more intelligent than everyone else but you're just another dumb sjw. Take the wife out for a drive or go enjoy a pint in a beer garden and stop getting worked up over nothing.
I didn't get worked up, I just didn't know which of the several domestic abuse jokes of Jimmy Carr you were talking about. And I guess no one else did either. But mainly, when I read your post, I'd actually forgotten we'd even been talking about domestic abuse in this thread, since it was three days ago. We're all good.
funny how peoples jaws don't drop amid a chorus of shocked gasps when some cunt struts along the beach with a union jack tattooed on his/her arse, yet far far more murder,torture,rape,ethnic cleansing,pillaging,burning and general destruction has been carried out under the banner of the union jack than was ever carried out under the banner of the swastika.
Very true. We have elected officials who would seem to enjoy rejoining the Union.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 17, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
funny how peoples jaws don't drop amid a chorus of shocked gasps when some cunt struts along the beach with a union jack tattooed on his/her arse, yet far far more murder,torture,rape,ethnic cleansing,pillaging,burning and general destruction has been carried out under the banner of the union jack than was ever carried out under the banner of the swastika.
To be fair, they've had more time to do all those naughty things than the Nazi's.
Still, is any country dodgy free?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6qIv4tWYAEPwZT?format=jpg&name=small)
Still wouldn't be reading the books
No need, there's movies of them.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 17, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
funny how peoples jaws don't drop amid a chorus of shocked gasps when some cunt struts along the beach with a union jack tattooed on his/her arse, yet far far more murder,torture,rape,ethnic cleansing,pillaging,burning and general destruction has been carried out under the banner of the union jack than was ever carried out under the banner of the swastika.
Quite difficult for people to be shocked over something that hasn't happened though, I would say.
Or very easy, judging by this entire thread, who am I kidding.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on July 20, 2021, 10:23:57 AM
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 17, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
funny how peoples jaws don't drop amid a chorus of shocked gasps when some cunt struts along the beach with a union jack tattooed on his/her arse, yet far far more murder,torture,rape,ethnic cleansing,pillaging,burning and general destruction has been carried out under the banner of the union jack than was ever carried out under the banner of the swastika.
Quite difficult for people to be shocked over something that hasn't happened though, I would say.
Or very easy, judging by this entire thread, who am I kidding.
You've clearly missed the point I was trying to make there, and I in turn, fail to see the point you are trying to make here.
Its a communication breakdown. (cheeky little Led Zeppelin reference for ya there)
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 17, 2021, 11:53:36 AM
What a wee angel :-*
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-swastika-tattoo-bum-hitlers-24530478?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=star_main
Looks like she has 14 under her right tit as well.
The first video on that page is MI's very only Snatchgrabber's doppelganger getting bet.
Male pattern baldness. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. :laugh:
https://news.sky.com/story/laurel-hubbard-transgender-weightlifter-is-set-to-make-history-at-tokyo-olympics-but-does-she-have-unfair-advantage-12359559
It's so funny. I cannot wait for it to bleed into other sports Seeing a transgender woman compete in woman's Olympic wrestling will be must-watch telly for me.
When I think of 'transitioning', I imagine a caterpillar transitioning into a lovely butterfly. Not the mutilation and mass self delusion. Similar to calling dismemberment and decapitation of live, healthy children growing in the womb 'planned parenthood'. More like a 'final solution'.
Is it not too hot to be shitstirring 😂
Some lads need a bit more heat under their collars :)
You're an awful divil.
Quote from: open face surgery on July 20, 2021, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 17, 2021, 11:53:36 AM
What a wee angel :-*
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-swastika-tattoo-bum-hitlers-24530478?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=star_main
Looks like she has 14 under her right tit as well.
The first video on that page is MI's very only Snatchgrabber's doppelganger getting bet.
I still would. Probably wouldn't tell anyone though.
So would I, neo Nazis need love too.
From the look of the swastika, she's in the process of having it removed TBF. Still not the best idea to have it on display though.
Yiz have found yourselves a voice lads...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNJv5yNZjE
Is that yer man from Staind? Probably no better or worse than their other stuff, to be fair.
The very man. And you're right; it is scraped from precisely the same circle of musical hell as Staind's stuff.
I thought after listening to American Soldier by Queensryche today, I had reached peak cringe. I was wrong.
That was so bad it gave my cancer AIDS.
That's brilliant. And the comments...
Gonna be humming it all weekend!
'there's the fricken door'
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 23, 2021, 05:05:33 PM
I thought after listening to American Soldier by Queensryche today, I had reached peak cringe. I was wrong.
You want more cringe but don't know where to look? Jesus, Emphyrio needs you now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq5UQ8gWU-A
Let's not forget:
https://youtu.be/-o6xrSyhVhc
Gonna have to get the Dettox to my YouTube history after all this.
My face is after curdling after those tracks.
There's always Schaffer's finest hour:
https://youtu.be/_RPK4QjDkPU
Fuckin' stop will ye 😭😭
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 23, 2021, 05:05:33 PM
I thought after listening to American Soldier by Queensryche today, I had reached peak cringe. I was wrong.
Thats pretty bad alright, but for ultimate Tate cringe you need to give this a look
https://youtu.be/ChZ-QSinSF8
QuoteBad Times make hard men. Hard men make good times. Good times make soft men. Soft men make bad times.
We are in bad times. We need MEN.
Laurence Fox doing his forté again: being an absolute sap. But the trolling he's getting from the gay community for a tweet containing the phrase "Hard men make good times" is pretty damn funny.
I don't see the issue with what he said.
If you don't cringe reading that platitude presented as wisdom, I can't help ya man. Though maybe if you add his soft toff accent...?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 18, 2021, 03:52:36 PM
QuoteBad Times make hard men. Hard men make good times. Good times make soft men. Soft men make bad times.
We are in bad times. We need MEN.
Laurence Fox doing his forté again: being an absolute sap. But the trolling he's getting from the gay community for a tweet containing the phrase "Hard men make good times" is pretty damn funny.
He certainly walked into that one alright
Yeah but you are so biased man. There is cringe everywhere, why you insist on quoting half arsed right wing pop icons is clear. It's so predictable.
Why don't you critique someone who looks at the world along the lines that you do?
I posted it because it was funny Kev, funny, y'know...
(https://i.imgflip.com/54eyve.jpg)
If I posted every unfunny but cringe thing a right wing pop icon came out with, sure there'd be no room left for all yizzer's cringe woke moments from the tabloid morass!
Agreed! It's a total non story from a non person!
Old Laurence didn't even come up with that one, it's been doing the rounds for a year or so. And it's about as useful as all of the other usual social media self help bollix.
To help yourself first you must help yourself.
You can have that one for free but I might charge you for it in future.
That spineless overpaid shitstain Tubridy was on the radio d'udder day giving it socks over some gymbro giving him verbal abuse on the mean streets of Dún Laoghaire.... The prick....
Anyway, here's a great retort from The Burkean.. :laugh:
https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/08/20/in-defence-of-my-gym-bros-an-open-letter-to-ryan-tubridy
That's not a retort, that's an epistle.
Do one, ya big smelly tête de bite... :abbath:
I thought of a new drinking game for students. Put on GB news for Dan Wottoon at 9pm til 12 and Everytime he says 'woke' take a shot. I'd imagine there'd be little standing after 930.
Granted I know this thread is the opposite of what I'm talking about, but honestly think the pearl clutching, kiwi bumder believes there's an army of millions of liberal woke elite out there who want to burn his carry on film collection and make him put his pronouns in his emails. Reality is, these folk barely exist but his schitz gives them everything they need.
It needs to be said. Too many puffs going around these days acting like little girls throwing their toys out of the pram and then when they realise they look like cunts playing the mental health get out of jail free card and it doesn't helpthat there are no shortage of morons queuing up to give them sympathy and tell them how brave they are for talking about it.
Gone are the days where you got a well deserved dig and learned a lesson from it.
Very few real men left like me and Kurt Cocaine these days.
Quote from: Nixer on August 23, 2021, 12:20:46 AM
It needs to be said. Too many puffs going around these days acting like little girls throwing their toys out of the pram and then when they realise they look like cunts playing the mental health get out of jail free card and it doesn't helpthat there are no shortage of morons queuing up to give them sympathy and tell them how brave they are for talking about it.
Gone are the days where you got a well deserved dig and learned a lesson from it.
Very few real men left like me and Kurt Cocaine these days.
That's why we're always surrounded by the babes blud. Eat well and pump iron fam...
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/aug/24/cancel-me-john-cleese-to-present-channel-4-show-on-woke-thought
They couldn't have found a less likeable person to host it. He's an awful gimp.
That might be part of the plan. He's sure to say plenty of things that will keep "woke" social media busy-bodies buzzing for days after each episode, and of course the "anti-woke" are bound to lap it all up.
Yeah, perfect really. Woke shit is insufferable- leave it on Twitter! The best way to combat it is to simply not take it seriously. I suppose it's an issue when people start losing their jobs, but universities and companies need to simply stop pandering to it. It's as crippling for its advocates as it is for its victims as far as I can see. A loser sport that simply needs to be ignored for the childishness it is.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 10:01:37 AM
That might be part of the plan. He's sure to say plenty of things that will keep "woke" social media busy-bodies buzzing for days after each episode, and of course the "anti-woke" are bound to lap it all up.
Anti-woke :laugh:
I'll read that as 'non-gobshite' then....
If only that were true, being the point you're totally missing.
"The main thing is to try to be kind. But that then becomes a sort of indulgence of the most over-sensitive people in your culture, the people who are most easily upset ... I don't think we should organise a society around the sensibilities of the most easily upset people because then you have a very neurotic society.
"From the point of creativity, if you have to keep thinking which words you can use and which you can't, then that will stifle creativity. The main thing is to realise that words depend on their context. Very literal-minded people think a word is a word but it isn't."
He's turned into a dislikeable man but I think this should be worth a watch. At least he seems to be coming from a place where he seeks to understand the whole thing, rather than straight up slagging the soft brigade.
"I'm delighted to have a chance to find out, on camera, about all the aspects of so-called political correctness. There's so much I really don't understand, like: how the impeccable idea of 'Let's all be kind to people' has been developed in some cases ad absurdum."
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 24, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
"The main thing is to try to be kind. But that then becomes a sort of indulgence of the most over-sensitive people in your culture, the people who are most easily upset ... I don't think we should organise a society around the sensibilities of the most easily upset people because then you have a very neurotic society.
"From the point of creativity, if you have to keep thinking which words you can use and which you can't, then that will stifle creativity. The main thing is to realise that words depend on their context. Very literal-minded people think a word is a word but it isn't."
He's turned into a dislikeable man but I think this should be worth a watch. At least he seems to be coming from a place where he seeks to understand the whole thing, rather than straight up slagging the soft brigade.
"I'm delighted to have a chance to find out, on camera, about all the aspects of so-called political correctness. There's so much I really don't understand, like: how the impeccable idea of 'Let's all be kind to people' has been developed in some cases ad absurdum."
Slagging the soft brigade? You must be joking.
It's this same soft brigade who have free reign to harass, bully and intimidate conservatives like me.
Aww. KC, get in here and give this poor bullied conservative a "real man" hug.
Blindboy offended by his own music now it seems. Why don't we just bite the bullet and ban speech. That seems to be the direction these idiots want to go.
Is it so difficult to copy and paste a link? Or is this something you overheard at the hairdressers?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Is it so difficult to copy and paste a link? Or is this something you overheard at the hairdressers?
Making friends as usual pal!
He does a fuckin whiney half apology/half excuse for using spastic in relation to Spastic Hawk. Totally contradicts himself about the understanding of spastic and goes for the sympathy vote. Fuck right off. My tolerance of him sways but this is cuntish. Great tune though.
https://i.redd.it/ab1g1of749j71.png
The brother told me his podcast is great, he's very knowledgeable etc but I haven't been arsed.
Spastic is a staple of the Hiberno-Irish, especially in Limerick, so he should just shut the fuck up about it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Is it so difficult to copy and paste a link? Or is this something you overheard at the hairdressers?
Every 2nd post on every thread on this site you spew the biggest amount of self- indulgent Non-sensical shite I've seen on a message board.
Get out of your wife's basement and get some fresh air you blouse wearing cuck.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 24, 2021, 03:53:57 PM
The brother told me his podcast is great, he's very knowledgeable etc but I haven't been arsed.
It is very good in fairness. I went to one of his shows in cork before cunting Covid. Whether u like him or not it is very engaging.
He wears a plastic bag over his face.
I liked the rubber bandits back in the day and even seen them in The Olympia 10 years ago. It was good craic.
Having listened to a couple of his podcasts he seems to want to loved by everyone and is loathed at the thought of upsetting anyone. That kind of mentality only depresses ye further.
Quote from: Blackout on August 24, 2021, 04:15:49 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Is it so difficult to copy and paste a link? Or is this something you overheard at the hairdressers?
Every 2nd post on every thread on this site you spew the biggest amount of self- indulgent Non-sensical shite I've seen on a message board.
Get out of your wife's basement and get some fresh air you blouse wearing cuck.
In his defence, and I disagree with his views on a lot of things, he is thorough and often makes excellent points intelligently. The Louis XIV nose in the air, ostentatiously dismissing the peasantry, that's another matter 😅
Quote from: Blackout on August 24, 2021, 04:15:49 PM
Get out of your wife's basement and get some fresh air you blouse wearing cuck.
Is that what they're saying about me down the hairdressers??
Unless you want to come off as a pure gossip, then tis the least you can do to provide some context to whatever it is you're bitching about. So, is it the thing Matt posted a link to there? He doesn't sound "offended by his own music" in that at all, though it is a bit of a politician's apology alright. What can ya do; he opened a box trying to help young people deal with depression, suicide, and all the rest, but there has been a bit of a Pandora after-shock to that movement.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 24, 2021, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: Blackout on August 24, 2021, 04:15:49 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Is it so difficult to copy and paste a link? Or is this something you overheard at the hairdressers?
Every 2nd post on every thread on this site you spew the biggest amount of self- indulgent Non-sensical shite I've seen on a message board.
Get out of your wife's basement and get some fresh air you blouse wearing cuck.
In his defence, and I disagree with his views on a lot of things, he is thorough and often makes excellent points intelligently. The Louis XIV nose in the air, ostentatiously dismissing the peasantry, that's another matter 😅
No he doesn't. He writes multiple paragraphs of garbled faux-intelligent nonsense that no one with life has the time to read. Its the type of nonsense you would get from a privately educated dumbfuck with too much time on his hands.
People might say I'm attacking rather than debating but I learned many years ago not to debate these idiots so I call them what they are as life is too short.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 02:09:06 PM
Aww. KC, get in here and give this poor bullied conservative a "real man" hug.
Your constant semi for me is starting to turn me on.
PM me your address and I'll post you an eyelash.
XXxX
I think that only applies to the coronavirus thread where himself and astgfyl are like Gandalf and The Balrog, battling whilst careering down a bottomless vortex.
'Run you fools'!
Eddie Howe, that 'Ra song and the other one about STDs are classics, as are their prank phone calls.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on August 24, 2021, 05:43:35 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 02:09:06 PM
Aww. KC, get in here and give this poor bullied conservative a "real man" hug.
Your constant semi for me is starting to turn me on.
PM me your address and I'll post you an eyelash.
XXxX
Another liberal terrorist trying to turn a good brother gay.
Wooops!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 24, 2021, 05:45:08 PM
I think that only applies to the coronavirus thread where himself and astgfyl are like Gandalf and The Balrog, battling whilst careering down a bottomless vortex.
'Run you fools'!
:laugh:
I enjoy it anyway. Where else would I get someone to battle me all the way down the vortex? So I'm sticking up for the commie fuck.
Quote from: Nixer on August 24, 2021, 05:45:54 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on August 24, 2021, 05:43:35 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 02:09:06 PM
Aww. KC, get in here and give this poor bullied conservative a "real man" hug.
Your constant semi for me is starting to turn me on.
PM me your address and I'll post you an eyelash.
XXxX
Another liberal terrorist trying to turn a good brother gay.
Don't worry Nix pal, I'll not be chopping me willy off.
Some disgruntled ex bint might though...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Is it so difficult to copy and paste a link? Or is this something you overheard at the hairdressers?
:laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Carnage on August 24, 2021, 04:29:50 PM
He wears a plastic bag over his face.
..... and how does that make you feel?
Quote from: Carnage on August 24, 2021, 04:29:50 PM
He wears a plastic bag over his face.
It doesn't matter what he says. This.
Fuck off.
Disregarding somebodies intelligence purely because you don't like their stage costume, makes you look like the lad with the bag on the head that you're disregarding the intelligence of.
That's as ridiculous as disregarding Buckethead's obvious musical capabilities because he wears a bucket on his head. Or refusing to acknowledge the talent of King Diamond or black metal musicians just because you don't like their make up.
It's a proper mask now anyway
Shock horror - a lad who speaks publicly about his social anxiety is suddenly worried that he might offend somebody, for something that he said years ago.
Who gives a fuck?
It's a shite song anyway.
It is, the worst of theirs that I've heard. Completely unfunny shite.
Quote from: Giggles on August 25, 2021, 05:57:07 PM
Shock horror - a lad who speaks publicly about his social anxiety is suddenly worried that he might offend somebody, for something that he said years ago.
Who gives a fuck?
It's a shite song anyway.
Clearly you and the other Bastion of anything "left" give a fuck as you've both posted utter BS about it. Criticism of anyone perceived as "left" is like the Bat signal to you people.
Ladies, behave.
I didn't defend him at all, even called it a politician's apology. It wasn't what you described it as when you came in with your morsel of gossip, that's all.
Quote from: Blackout link=topic=110.msg55685#msg55685
Clearly you and the other Bastion of anything "left" give a fuck as you've both posted utter BS about it. Criticism of anyone perceived as "left" is like the Bat signal to you people.
Clearly you're so incredibly unhappy with your own life, that you find some sort of solace in moaning across this forum on an almost daily basis and hurling childish insults at people you don't know.
Good luck.
Quote from: Giggles on August 25, 2021, 09:16:11 PM
Quote from: Blackout link=topic=110.msg55685#msg55685
Clearly you and the other Bastion of anything "left" give a fuck as you've both posted utter BS about it. Criticism of anyone perceived as "left" is like the Bat signal to you people.
Clearly you're so incredibly unhappy with your own life, that you find some sort of solace in moaning across this forum on an almost daily basis and hurling childish insults at people you don't know.
Good luck.
Nah. I'll continue calling you idiots out on your hypocrisy.
That Blindboy lad is a dose and their shtick grew tiresome a long time ago. What he really should be apologizing for, I suppose, is culturally appropriating the working class when he is in fact of middle class, rugby school stock. Not that I have a problem with that by the way, but if you're going to start apologizing for all past indiscretions, then at least be consistent.
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Quote from: Blackout on August 25, 2021, 10:00:31 PM
Nah. I'll continue calling you idiots out on your hypocrisy.
Man, you are cognative dissonance in text based form.
I've been ignoring most of your posts for the last couple of months because you spew absolute nonsense time and time again. This is what hypocrisy actually looks like:
Quote from: Blackout on March 25, 2021, 03:46:39 PM
Heard a a 63 year old woman this morning on newstalk who has stage 4 cancer and had fluid on her lungs since November which was not spotted as she couldn't get a hospital appointment. Jesus there will be a serious tsunami of cancer deaths because of this thing. Was heartbreaking to listen to her.
Remember when you posted this in the coronavirus thread? Remember what you posted
before you edited it the next day? I don't remember exactly what you posted word per word, but it was something along the lines of:
Quote"Fuck old people they deserve to die"
or some such shit.
The next morning, you doubled down and edited your post to comment on how
heartbroken you were to hear of an old woman suffering. I'm pretty sure that another forum member commented about your edit at some point, so I know I'm not the only one who read the original.
So wow, guess what? It appears that Blindboy is just as fallible as
you, who is incorrectly spewing clickbait nonsense: "Blindboy is offended by his own music" just to have another fucking whinge.
You're calling Blindboy out for doubling down when you also did so yourself - that is hypocrisy.
I'm not sure why I've even bothered to try and explain this to you because:
Quote from: Blackout on August 24, 2021, 05:39:26 PM
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
That's probably the single most logical thing you've ever posted on this forum. And of course, they're not even your own words.
Wearing your BSC influences on your sleeve there big lad :)
Quote from: Giggles on August 25, 2021, 11:35:25 PM
A Quote from: Blackout on August 25, 2021, 10:00:31 PM
Nah. I'll continue calling you idiots out on your hypocrisy.
Man, you are cognative dissonance in text based form.
I've been ignoring most of your posts for the last couple of months because you spew absolute nonsense time and time again. This is what hypocrisy actually looks like:
Quote from: Blackout on March 25, 2021, 03:46:39 PM
Heard a a 63 year old woman this morning on newstalk who has stage 4 cancer and had fluid on her lungs since November which was not spotted as she couldn't get a hospital appointment. Jesus there will be a serious tsunami of cancer deaths because of this thing. Was heartbreaking to listen to her.
Remember when you posted this in the coronavirus thread? Remember what you posted before you edited it the next day? I don't remember exactly what you posted word per word, but it was something along the lines of:
Quote"Fuck old people they deserve to die"
or some such shit.
The next morning, you doubled down and edited your post to comment on how heartbroken you were to hear of an old woman suffering. I'm pretty sure that another forum member commented about your edit at some point, so I know I'm not the only one who read the original.
So wow, guess what? It appears that Blindboy is just as fallible as you, who is incorrectly spewing clickbait nonsense: "Blindboy is offended by his own music" just to have another fucking whinge.
You're calling Blindboy out for doubling down when you also did so yourself - that is hypocrisy.
I'm not sure why I've even bothered to try and explain this to you because:
Quote from: Blackout on August 24, 2021, 05:39:26 PM
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
That's probably the single most logical thing you've ever posted on this forum. And of course, they're not even your own words.
You've proved my point and I'm sure you have plenty of posts I can take out of context as well.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 26, 2021, 08:28:06 AM
Wearing your BSC influences on your sleeve there big lad :)
Ah no its sweet that he has his wife on here defending him.
Quote from: Blackout on August 26, 2021, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 26, 2021, 08:28:06 AM
Wearing your BSC influences on your sleeve there big lad :)
Ah no its sweet that he has his wife on here defending him.
Sure ye're defending each other's posts the whole time as well. Pot Kettle etc. As for this thread. A total shit show.
Bro's b4 hoes :abbath:
There's an online scrap going on over Steelfest 2022. Several bands have pulled out of the original unreal line up due to pressures from booking agents and the rampant Totalitarian Left.
Sadly our own Primordial have bent the knee and pulled out too, though they did sound less than thrilled to do so. Would have been good to see a proper big band stand up to the PC fascists but alas......
On the upside, black metal is underground and dangerous again and separates itself further from the wokist mainstream metal agenda.
I don't know if it's dangerous again unless you consider a bunch of clowns throwing Nazi salutes as dangerous but there is a satisfying irony in having all this Antifa bullshit turning it into a more underground (or more divided?) proposition. Whether it will lead to better and more vitriolic music remains to be seen. Then again, I don't closely follow the NSBM scene so most of it will sail over my head.
Edit. Arguably the only danger is being presented by Antifa. They are the ones threatening to attack venues and are wreaking actual havoc on bands by getting them cancelled from various platforms. It's all fucking predictable, boring and irritating. But you are probably going to see more underground, clandestine and difficult to attend festivals emerging like Hot Shower, where far right bands will dominate. The clandestine side of that is certainly alluring, but a weekend in Italy with several hundred right wing skinheads doesn't really appeal to me that much :laugh:
Edit. Total respect to Steelfest for their response to this horseshit situation.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2760624824158279&id=1558238367730270&_ft_=mf_story_key.2760624824158279%3Atop_level_post_id.2760624824158279%3Atl_objid.2760624824158279%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1558238367730270%3Athrowback_story_fbid.2760624824158279%3Apage_id.1558238367730270%3Astory_location.4%3Astory_attachment_style.photo%3Aott.AX-51X55n5y2huJy%3Atds_flgs.3%3Apage_insights.%7B%221558238367730270%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A1558238367730270%2C%22page_id_type%22%3A%22page%22%2C%22actor_id%22%3A1558238367730270%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22post_context%22%3A%7B%22object_fbtype%22%3A266%2C%22publish_time%22%3A1630597605%2C%22story_name%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22story_fbid%22%3A%5B2760624824158279%5D%7D%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22sl%22%3A4%2C%22targets%22%3A%5B%7B%22actor_id%22%3A1558238367730270%2C%22page_id%22%3A1558238367730270%2C%22post_id%22%3A2760624824158279%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22share_id%22%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=%2C%3B
Didn't see Primordial's statement...?
I'd imagine they just couldn't be bothered with the hassle, which is precisely why all this bullshit is so dangerous.
Like these tits trying to sully Moonsorrow for allowing Loits to open for them on tour. Being an 'activist' must be absolutely exhausting.
https://www.google.es/amp/s/enoughisenough14.org/2020/02/24/antifa-finland-moonsorrow-touring-with-national-socialist-black-metal-band-nsbm-band-loits/amp/
Moonsorrow and Loits would be a cool gig. Jesus Antifucks, get some goddamn taste!
Can't fault that Steelfest statement. No doubt it will be completely ignored by the opposition. A bit too rational a response.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 04, 2021, 12:45:31 AM
Didn't see Primordial's statement...?
They replied to the thread on FB I think, saying there would be no statement, no autopsy, but it was untenable for them to play. I was sent a screenshot of it. Most bands wont make statements to try and lessen the shit storm. Still, they and all other bands involved are being forced to take sides, and they've chosen one.
Personally, I choose the side of the neo nazis, Islamic extremists, freaks, weirdos and all kinds of undesirable opinions and desires the world over, over the side of Totalitarian censorship and thought control.
Is this the first year Steelfest have booked NSBM or perceived NSBM or whatever bands? Primordial, for one, have played it before like. Any of the band cancellation statements I've seen so far (apart from Melechesh who claim they will be in studio) have made the decision their own and made it about not wanting to share stage with NSBM bands. So either that's genuine, in which case that's their call, like when Napalm Death pulled out of Blastfest a couple years back when Peste Noire were announced - we can think that their reasoning is misdirected, but at least they're being true to a set of beliefs they do hold -, or else they don't genuinely have a problem with sharing a stage with the musicians in question and all of their statements are made in absolute bad faith. In which case, that would be pretty pathetic from the likes of Sodom, Samael, etc., because even if they feel that they have to pull out in order to avoid this, that, or the other, then they should at least state that.
Steelfest has always had mixed bills. The business side of things is the reason why most bands are pulling out. I would hazard a guess that most of these musicians don't give a shit. Go woke or go broke.
It seems that Deicide, who have made a career out of hating the king of the Jews, are confused as to what their stance is.
So, if even the biggest bands don't have the integrity to make a statement on separation of art and artist, if that's something they believe in, then I don't know who is ultimately more responsible for the general state of things; the childish torch-brandishing cancel mob, or the "extreme music for extreme placaters" bands. None of the bands who have cancelled have gone so far as to name the bands they supposedly have a problem with, for example, which would be kind of a minimum you would expect if they were genuine and not just worried about the slippery slope; if we say it's because of Nokturnal Mortum, then the mob will jump in saying we should also be condemning Destroyer 666 and Inquisition, and so on.
Anyway, can't find Primordial's statement; if it was just a comment they may have deleted it, or else it's just well hidden in the 1000+ repetitive comments the festival's announcement has gathered.
Yup, it's all about da dolla! As if these bands would be bothered if they didn't have the threat of Antifa making their lives difficult and the subsequent grovelling they'd have to provide hanging over their heads. It's a metal fest, just another in a long line of them, where people go, drink and watch bands. A few Nazis here, a few crusties there... the usual.
Quote from: open face surgery on September 04, 2021, 12:35:31 PM
It seems that Deicide, who have made a career out of hating the king of the Jews, are confused as to what their stance is.
In fairness, you can hate the king of the Jews without wishing for the extermination of any human of Jewish descent or wanting Europe to be purged of anyone who isn't Aryan, but again, you'd have to actually come out and state that clearly, rather than just slithering away with the absolute bare minimum of manifest conviction.
Someone pointed me towards the Primordial "statement", found in reply to comments under this FB post:
https://www.facebook.com/primordialofficial/posts/397930938359438
"to be clear. when your agent books a festival you do not know what other bands are playing until the poster drops. we have stepped down from the bill."
"We don't wish the thread here to turn into people arguing with each other...... In the end our position on the bill was untenable. There is more to things than meet the eye. There won't be a statement or an autopsy. So accept it in good grace."
So...there are bands on "the poster" they wouldn't have agreed to play with, maybe...? And also, there is more to things than meets the eye. "Things" could simply be an agent or even a record label putting the foot down. Lovely big cluster fuck anyway, clear as mud!
Well Graveland is the obvious problem as they were only announced in recent days as far as I can tell.
Steelfest has always had NS or closely related bands, several every year, but maybe none as big or infamous or legendary as Graveland. I'm not even sure if Graveland qualifies as NSBM (what are the parameters?) but for sure they are associated with the early days or are founding fathers of what became that scene.
Any band booking for Steelfest must be aware it hosts fringe bands from the right. They are always putting on Goatmoon and the likes. They cannot rightfully claim ignorance in my opinion as this fact is not hidden at all. I take it that any band initially booked is ok with sharing a stage with whoever and all this current controversy is forced on them by booking agencies pressured by leftist woke culture.
I don't think Alan Averill himself was a million miles away from it back in the 90s. The fact he was there in the early days a point he always seems quite keen to make. In fact I believe he was thanked on the original Celtic Winter demo by Rob Darken himself, though this is not included on my shitty reissue copy.
A thorough shambles for all involved. I would be raging if I had booked tickets, flights, hotels etc and some of the bands I wanted to see had been forced to pull or wimped out.
Shortsighted from the organisers. Maybe they are not aware of the prevailing left wing cancel culture that exists outside Finland?
What bands are racist these days?
All of them.
Never heard of NSBM before, had to look it up there.
What's the big issue about sharing a stage with them? Why can't the likes of Primordial just turn up, play their show, get paid and leave?
Is it that they don't want to be associated with the other bands?
Quote from: Grim Reality on September 04, 2021, 02:01:26 PM
Well Graveland is the obvious problem as they were only announced in recent days as far as I can tell.
But Graveland have played it before. They're actually why I asked, I was wondering if there was some band "worse" than Graveland who'd been announced for next year that caused all this commotion. Couple of bands did cancel in 2016, but I don't know if it was related to that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 04, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
None of the bands who have cancelled have gone so far as to name the bands they supposedly have a problem with, for example, which would be kind of a minimum you would expect if they were genuine and not just worried about the slippery slope; if we say it's because of Nokturnal Mortum, then the mob will jump in saying we should also be condemning Destroyer 666 and Inquisition, and so on.
Spot on.
I would also add that keeping track of bands who shared stage with whatever other band spousing a controversial idea is also an unattainable demand. What happens with bands who shared the stage with bands who had previously shared stage with controversial bands and so on? If a band is really against such and such idea and wants to speak out against them then they might consider going on stage and saying it openly, calling a spade a spade, and let the audience decide for themselves. After all, do these bands care as much to what their audience beliefs are too or is it just other band members' beliefs?
Much like people do in debates involving speakers holding extremely different views, each side is only responsible for what they have spoused themselves rather than being condemned for sharing a stage with the opposite side. This cancelation mania has a lot more to do with saving face than actually keeping prejudice out of metal, which in BM is even a laughable proposition given its antichristian stance.
(https://i.imgur.com/xdk49UX.jpg)
Ahh what a thread lads, must be the whiniest read on the world wide web ::)
Reality denial does that to you. Steelfest knew exactly who they were booking and what the backlash would be like. Looking for those whiny NSBM manboy tears. And of course it works, the people who believe in "the great reset" etc exist and are incredibly dumb. Just say "white men are the real victims" and they're in your team. Like many of you in this thread. It's fucking hilarious :laugh:
Good man.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 06, 2021, 08:09:28 PM
Good man.
I am sitting with my popcorn over here reading people deride outside meddlers over this, while the people who cancelled their festival appearance are not some anarchist straw puppet, they are called Primordial, Moonsorrow, Deicide etc . I bet those bands are (((cultural marxists))) now, whoda thunkit! Or maybe their hard lad anti everything stance is just posturing, because they know their fans are dumb as shit!
'Dumb as shit.' And it all went out the window.
Quote from: Thorn on September 06, 2021, 10:08:42 PM
'Dumb as shit.' And it all went out the window.
I get it, your poop is a logical being with a very high IQ. Apologies for stereotyping scat.
I think we should consider cancelling our Nazi rally. Keyboard Bat has opened my eyes.
So the main takeaway from the Steelfest saga is that Primordial are antifa operatives, right? Better watch some ben shapiro videos asap for the daily red pill dose!
This lad sounds like Chris after about 6 grams of Special
K and a severe knock to the head.
'Sure Primordial are in the Antifa now amirite'
Bee in the bonnet and arguing with fresh air. On ya go son, knock yourself out.
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 12:40:22 PM
So the main takeaway from the Steelfest saga is that Primordial are antifa operatives, right? Better watch some ben shapiro videos asap for the daily red pill dose!
Thank you for your help in this difficult time.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 07, 2021, 12:44:21 PM
This lad sounds like Chris after about 6 grams of Special
K and a severe knock to the head.
'Sure Primordial are in the Antifa now amirite'
Bee in the bonnet and arguing with fresh air. On ya go son, knock yourself out.
A buncha yas claiming Antifa is to blame. Primordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa. Or there is a massive cognitive dissonance that you are welcoming so that your dorky ideology stays intact.
Very wimpy.
Thanks, Keyboard Bat. Your good work here is appreciated. We all feel safer.
QuotePrimordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa.
Say I whisper to someone's mammy that their wee angel has been spending too much time on certain websites, and say mammy then orders said wee angel to turn off their computer and go out and get some air. Identify the individual in this scenario who is giving the orders; the individual who is taking the orders; and the individual who's to blame.
Might want to work on your logic there batty.
Keyboard Bat is a really shit troll name. Were you really in that much of a hurry to set up your account only yesterday? Surely there has to be better sites to troll on? It's not like this place is buzzing with posts!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 01:18:05 PM
QuotePrimordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa.
Say I whisper to someone's mammy that their wee angel has been spending too much time on certain websites, and say mammy then orders said wee angel to turn off their computer and go out and get some air. Identify the individual in this scenario who is giving the orders; the individual who is taking the orders; and the individual who's to blame.
Might want to work on your logic there batty.
Well if you think Antifa is to blame, tell us all how they forced these bands to cancel. All ears! :laugh:
Quote from: Giggles on September 07, 2021, 01:41:30 PM
Keyboard Bat is a really shit troll name. Were you really in that much of a hurry to set up your account only yesterday? Surely there has to be better sites to troll on? It's not like this place is buzzing with posts!
Nah, this place is the best for this since it's the thickest social bubble that exists. "Irish metallers except the smart ones who are long gone". A barrel of fish, with clown noses on them :P Giggles indeed!
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 01:18:05 PM
QuotePrimordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa.
Say I whisper to someone's mammy that their wee angel has been spending too much time on certain websites, and say mammy then orders said wee angel to turn off their computer and go out and get some air. Identify the individual in this scenario who is giving the orders; the individual who is taking the orders; and the individual who's to blame.
Might want to work on your logic there batty.
Well if you think Antifa is to blame, tell us all how they forced these bands to cancel. All ears! :laugh:
I haven't mentioned Antifa, much less what I think of them. I only pointed out a flaw in your logic, independent of its content.
When a witness testifies against a murderer and the murderer is then sent to prison by a judge, has the witness ordered the prisoner to go to prison?
Spend a little more energy trying to make solid sense and a little less energy trying to be a wise-ass. You ain't quite got the chops.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 03:13:48 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 01:18:05 PM
QuotePrimordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa.
Say I whisper to someone's mammy that their wee angel has been spending too much time on certain websites, and say mammy then orders said wee angel to turn off their computer and go out and get some air. Identify the individual in this scenario who is giving the orders; the individual who is taking the orders; and the individual who's to blame.
Might want to work on your logic there batty.
Well if you think Antifa is to blame, tell us all how they forced these bands to cancel. All ears! :laugh:
I haven't mentioned Antifa, much less what I think of them. I only pointed out a flaw in your logic, independent of its content.
When a witness testifies against a murderer and the murderer is then sent to prison by a judge, has the witness ordered the prisoner to go to prison?
Spend a little more energy trying to make solid sense and a little less energy trying to be a wise-ass. You ain't quite got the chops.
You didn't prove anything though. If my band cancels a gig, it's our decision, not someone elses. If Deicide cancels Steelfest and edgy simpletons blame Antifa for it, it's just edgy simpleton self deception. Can you come up with a logical chain of actions from "Deicide/Primordial/etc cancelled their show at steelfest" to "Antifa is to blame"? No you won't. That stuff is just hysterical bs with a side flavour of conspiracy mongering
Your initial claim above was that, if Antifa were to blame for bands cancelling, then this would have to mean that those bands were taking orders from Antifa.
You can't logically conclude that from the premise, no more than you can conclude that if a witness is to "blame" for a murderer going to prison, this would have to mean that the murderer was taking orders from the witness.
This is pretty basic stuff.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 04:04:50 PM
Your initial claim above was that, if Antifa were to blame for bands cancelling, then this would have to mean that those bands were taking orders from Antifa.
You can't logically conclude that from the premise, no more than you can conclude that if a witness is to "blame" for a murderer going to prison, this would have to mean that the murderer was taking orders from the witness.
This is pretty basic stuff.
It's an exaggeration for sure, in a thread that is full of "antifa is directed by soros who is married to bill gates and they control the world with cultural marxism" stuff. Logic has left the board a long time ago.
If there is anyone to blame for real, it's the organizer. The bands who cancelled (nearly) all posted something like "we didn't see the whole lineup but now that we do, we're cancelling". They didn't need "woke army" to tell them that this is no good for them. But sure, the dorks will blame the Smurfs or whatever :abbath:
Alternatively you can choose to not blame anyone, shit happens.
Or then you can throw your toys out of the pram and see conspiracies everywhere.
Me wanna banana
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 04:09:42 PM
It's an exaggeration for sure, in a thread that is full of "antifa is directed by soros who is married to bill gates and they control the world with cultural marxism" stuff. Logic has left the board a long time ago.
Using what you see as other people's lack of logic to excuse your own... that's a fail, I'm afraid.
This type of pin the tail on the donkey politics is working in Antifa (or the nutty end of the left)'s favour because that's where the pendulum of culture is currently sitting. But as sure as night follows day, the pendulum will swing back in the other direction and then you'll have all these neurotic ejits standing out in the cold with their blindfolds on wondering where all their virtual likes have gone. And you know what? Black metal will still be there. Even the naughty stuff will remain. Maybe it'll live a bit further underground if that even means anything in the age of the Internet. That's about the height of it.
Good night Fruit Bat. Thanks for the mildly diverting entertainment ;)
M.A.R.P.
If we put the over the top style of writing/communicating on the side.......Guess keyboard bat is just ironic to the fact that a BIG part of the "extreme" metal scene are the strongest when it comes to talking and making frowning poses.
So many of those bands play the venues that the mainstream bands are playing, and basically want to belong to that world.
They talk about war, violence, blood, satan, but when there is the slightest chance of a possible altercation, they vanish with their tails between the legs.
Keyboard bat said some of those bands are just talk, and nobody should be surprised they don't live by the sewer they're spewing from their mouths.
That's my take on what he wrote, I might be wrong though?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 04:09:42 PM
It's an exaggeration for sure, in a thread that is full of "antifa is directed by soros who is married to bill gates and they control the world with cultural marxism" stuff. Logic has left the board a long time ago.
Using what you see as other people's lack of logic to excuse your own... that's a fail, I'm afraid.
Nah
The point is - there is no way for Antifa to make the decision for the bands. If Antifa has influenced the bands decision, then....well it says it right there.
Which is of course not what happened. Capitalism happened.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 07, 2021, 04:51:13 PM
This type of pin the tail on the donkey politics is working in Antifa (or the nutty end of the left)'s favour because that's where the pendulum of culture is currently sitting. But as sure as night follows day, the pendulum will swing back in the other direction and then you'll have all these neurotic ejits standing out in the cold with their blindfolds on wondering where all their virtual likes have gone. And you know what? Black metal will still be there. Even the naughty stuff will remain. Maybe it'll live a bit further underground if that even means anything in the age of the Internet. That's about the height of it.
Good night Fruit Bat. Thanks for the mildly diverting entertainment ;)
M.A.R.P.
Metal Action Role Play? Sounds like a narrative for one alright.
So tell me. Do you blame Antifa for Primordial cancellation? I'm curious.
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 06:04:10 PM
The point is - there is no way for Antifa to make the decision for the bands. If Antifa has influenced the bands decision, then....well it says it right there.
Which is of course not what happened. Capitalism happened.
If you'd bothered to read the various posts on the subject before deciding to pedal in full speed and catastrophically attempt to be a wise-ass, you would have seen that this main point has already been made: that at the end of the day, it's quite possible money decided. How directly money decided presumably depends case to case, but certain touring agents and/or record labels will have more or less ordered the bands to cancel and distance themselves, however ambiguously, from the line-up. I don't think money is the only reason though...
So why did various bands' touring agents and record labels step in this year, when they don't seem to have in 2016 when Graveland last played (taking them as a token for "the most unfrequentable" band on the line-up)? Personally, I would say there's a very good chance that is because of certain, highly motivated "woke" individuals from the nominal far left, that part of it which has abandoned all notion of freedom of expression in art, threatening to smear the touring agents and record labels in question, and basically create a helluva lot of potentially ongoing hassle for them online and elsewhere. Why do I think this? Primarily, because it has happened before, many times and in many places, and secondly because you only have to do a search for "Steelfest" on Facebook or Twitter to be met head on by scores of them, entire Twitter threads dedicated to it. I don't go in for the Antifa label, but that certain individuals are directly or indirectly threatening concerned parties here, I would be very, very surprised to find out that has not been happening.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 06:04:10 PM
The point is - there is no way for Antifa to make the decision for the bands. If Antifa has influenced the bands decision, then....well it says it right there.
Which is of course not what happened. Capitalism happened.
If you'd bothered to read the various points on the subject before deciding to pedal in full speed and catastrophically attempt to be a wise-ass, you would have seen that this main point has already been made: that at the end of the day, it's quite possible money decided. How directly money decided presumably depends case to case, but certain touring agents and/or record labels will have more or less ordered the bands to cancel and distance themselves, however ambiguously, from the line-up. I don't think money is the only reason though...
So why did various bands' touring agents and record labels step in this year, when they don't seem to have in 2016 when Graveland last played (taking them as a token for "the most unfrequentable" band on the line-up)? Personally, I would say there's a very good chance that is because of certain, highly motivated "woke" individuals from the nominal far left, that part of it which has abandoned all notion of freedom of expression in art, threatening to smear the touring agents and record labels in question, and basically create a helluva lot of potentially ongoing hassle for them online and elsewhere. Why do I think this? Primarily, because it has happened before, many times and in many places, and secondly because you only have to do a search for "Steelfest" on Facebook or Twitter to be met head on by scores of them, entire Twitter threads dedicated to it. I don't go in for the Antifa label, but that certain individuals are directly or indirectly threatening concerned parties here, I would be very, very surprised to find out that has not been happening.
Wow so much logic. So why are these supposedly edgy, tough, nihilist labels and bands such wimps about it? Maybe the übermensch bands shoudn't deal with degenerate labels? Some shitty mistakes for supposedly supreme aryan beings!
Sounds like the nihilist bonehead stuff is just pandering for dumb nerds and really it's just a role for them.
Maybe the only way to have these bands play is to first stop freedom of speech, since nazi and nazi adjacent bands are so easily crumbled by people saying their opinions on social media :laugh:
The tiny violins are so tiny I can't even hear them.
Really. Your point is that a woke leftist anarchist (or whatever projections you have made. hint: even centrists and moderate right wingers have a dislike for nazi stuff) posse has made cruel comments and now black metal has to bow out. Weak stuff innit
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 06:34:01 PM
So why are these supposedly edgy, tough, nihilist labels and bands such wimps about it? Maybe the übermensch bands shoudn't deal with degenerate labels? Some shitty mistakes for supposedly supreme aryan beings!
Sounds like the nihilist bonehead stuff is just pandering for dumb nerds and really it's just a role for them.
As I said, all these points have been covered:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 04, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
So, if even the biggest bands don't have the integrity to make a statement on separation of art and artist, if that's something they believe in, then I don't know who is ultimately more responsible for the general state of things; the childish torch-brandishing cancel mob, or the "extreme music for extreme placaters" bands. None of the bands who have cancelled have gone so far as to name the bands they supposedly have a problem with, for example, which would be kind of a minimum you would expect if they were genuine and not just worried about the slippery slope; if we say it's because of Nokturnal Mortum, then the mob will jump in saying we should also be condemning Destroyer 666 and Inquisition, and so on.
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 06:34:01 PM
Sounds like the nihilist bonehead stuff is just pandering for dumb nerds and really it's just a role for them.
Funnily enough, this is exactly what even the likes of Graveland explicitly claim; that it's all just a role, all just part of their art, today at least if not in the past. It's not the scoop you seem to think, and in either case, the folk who want to shut them down (again, I can provide Twitter threads, some of them are in Finnish, but I have a seed of a gut feeling you might speak Suomi) don't want to hear anything about this claim.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 06:34:01 PM
So why are these supposedly edgy, tough, nihilist labels and bands such wimps about it? Maybe the übermensch bands shoudn't deal with degenerate labels? Some shitty mistakes for supposedly supreme aryan beings!
Sounds like the nihilist bonehead stuff is just pandering for dumb nerds and really it's just a role for them.
As I said, all these points have been covered:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 04, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
So, if even the biggest bands don't have the integrity to make a statement on separation of art and artist, if that's something they believe in, then I don't know who is ultimately more responsible for the general state of things; the childish torch-brandishing cancel mob, or the "extreme music for extreme placaters" bands. None of the bands who have cancelled have gone so far as to name the bands they supposedly have a problem with, for example, which would be kind of a minimum you would expect if they were genuine and not just worried about the slippery slope; if we say it's because of Nokturnal Mortum, then the mob will jump in saying we should also be condemning Destroyer 666 and Inquisition, and so on.
Some people realize it's a business, some people just blame antifa. You do half and half, mean leftists are the source reason it seem tho :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 06:59:37 PM
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 07, 2021, 06:34:01 PM
Sounds like the nihilist bonehead stuff is just pandering for dumb nerds and really it's just a role for them.
Funnily enough, this is exactly what even the likes of Graveland explicitly claim; that it's all just a role, all just part of their art, today at least if not in the past. It's not the scoop you seem to think, and in either case, the folk who want to shut them down (again, I can provide Twitter threads, some of them are in Finnish, but I have a seed of a gut feeling you might speak Suomi) don't want to hear anything about this claim.
Of course it's not a scoop. But reading the thread it seems a lot of folks would rather blame a sock puppet enemy they created. Because what's life without blame, enemies, and fantasies about slaying those enemies, and of course, blaming everything on "the left". Why think for yourself when you have tradition to lean on instead?
They have a great saying in Finnish: "kertaus on opintojen äiti" aka "repetition is the mother of learning" ;)
Pretty sure I've read those twitter threads. They're very typical twitter stuff, everyone is an asshole and in the end no one changes. Well, except the bands plans it seems, ha!
I would put money on the source of all the commotion being a small group of busy-body self-perceived do-gooders who are obsessed with blame, enemies, and fantasies about slaying those enemies, and of course, blaming everything on "the right".
How touring agents, record labels, and ultimately bands responded to the fall-out, is another matter, but as you see above, I don't think the bands should have their hands washed of the whole affair. I think they should come out and say, "We're able to separate art from artist, but apparently many can't, so we've been requested to cancel our appearance at this festival on threat of a whole world of hassle on us, on our touring agent, and on our record label, from people who just can't let things be." Or, if they do genuinely have a problem with the likes of Graveland, then come out and say, "We won't share a stage with these specific bands" but also be ready to defend why they will share a stage with other bands certain busy bodies think they shouldn't.
You're one of those types, who can't let things be; just couldn't resist jumping in here out of nowhere to stir things up and preach your gospel. And if my gut feeling is correct, it was an almost identical instance that motivated you to manifest last time you appeared on MI to chide and chastise.
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2021, 07:33:10 PM
I would put money on the source of all the commotion being a small group of busy-body self-perceived do-gooders who are obsessed with blame, enemies, and fantasies about slaying those enemies, and of course, blaming everything on "the right".
How touring agents, record labels, and ultimately bands responded to the fall-out, is another matter, but as you see above, I don't think the bands should have their hands washed of the whole affair. I think they should come out and say, "We're able to separate art from artist, but apparently many can't, so we've been requested to cancel our appearance at this festival on threat of a whole world of hassle on us, on our touring agent, and on our record label, from people who just can't let things be." Or, if they do genuinely have a problem with the likes of Graveland, then come out and say, "We won't share a stage with these specific bands" but also be ready to defend why they will share a stage with other bands certain busy bodies think they shouldn't.
You're one of those types, who can't let things be; just couldn't resist jumping in here out of nowhere to stir things up and preach your gospel. And if my gut feeling is correct, it was an almost identical instance that motivated you to manifest last time you appeared on MI to chide and chastise.
It's funny seeing metallers self victimize like this alright.
People from the center and center-right have also been vocal about those things. You are just trying to paint an enemy you want there to exist. I've seen a lot of the metallers (the apolitical types specifically) go from "the left is at it again" to "holy shit the fest really fucked up and playing the victim card now is hilarious" when the facts emerged regarding Steelfest. But you do you, imagination is a wonderful thing!
Stop saying everything is 'hilarious'. It's gimpy.
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 08, 2021, 05:01:23 PM
You are just trying to paint an enemy you want there to exist. I've seen a lot of the metallers (the apolitical types specifically) go from "the left is at it again" to "holy shit the fest really fucked up and playing the victim card now is hilarious" when the facts emerged regarding Steelfest.
As has been pointed out ad infinitum, there is no one on the Steelfest line-up that was announced a week ago that is "worse" in terms of real or portrayed nazi leanings than bands who have played at it before. So any metallers saying "the fest really fucked up" simply don't know what they're talking about, since "the fest" were just doing what they've done since their inauguration, to little or no commotion. Them's the facts.
So we have Finnish antifa (or antifa adjacent) on here to gloat after Irelands biggest metal band were forced to pull out of a festival by their low, classless shit stirring.
No one is pulling out cos they are sharing a festival bill with Graveland or whoever. Its because your sneaky, underhand, anonymous threats would put these bands touring futures (and thus, very existence) in jeopardy.
Initially I was a bit disappointed Primordial didn't have the balls to stand up to these nihilists (and affirm their own lyrics in the most triumphant way in the process) but on reflection I cannot blame them and if in their shoes would surely have done the same. Backed in to a corner they had to choose the lesser of two evils. The risk of standing proud and then seeing the 30 year career of the band fading under the suffocating cloak of cancel culture was too great. I would say privately they are seething.
This Finnish antifa dickhead though (well spotted Chris) - what is your game?
What are your motivations? What are your values? In what do you believe?
Cos to me, a typical enough Irish centrist, some right views, some left, you are doing a disservice to the left. The vast majority people I know hate you guys. You are not winning anybody over. Up to recent years I would have subconsciously considered the left 'the good guys'. Not any more!!!
You are Totalitarian and unrelenting in your outlook with no room for nuance or context. You are anti art. You are anti freedom of expression. You are anti freedom of thought. You have a puritanical religious zeal which does not sit well with citizens of countries such as ours, which is still recovering from decades of the same.
To hell with you you absolute imposter. True liberal values will recover. Your deranged ideas of liberalism will soon be yesterday's news. Fuck you a thousand times!!!
Relax Grim. He's clearly a homosexual with little or no direction in life. A non homeowner and a non reproductive waste of oxygen who loves abortion clinics and gay pride marches because he's so oppressed!
Ah, the dose from the other pole that this discussion was lacking! Once again, a propos nothing other than your own omnipresent obsession with it, dragging homosexuality into things. The absolute state of some of ye and your "insults" at the age youse are at.
Who are homosexuals? Primordial?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 09, 2021, 08:11:00 AM
Relax Grim. He's clearly a homosexual with little or no direction in life. A non homeowner and a non reproductive waste of oxygen who loves abortion clinics and gay pride marches because he's so oppressed!
What exactly is your problem with homosexuals lad. As Chris said at your age to be coming out with that stuff is pretty sad.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 09, 2021, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 09, 2021, 08:11:00 AM
Relax Grim. He's clearly a homosexual with little or no direction in life. A non homeowner and a non reproductive waste of oxygen who loves abortion clinics and gay pride marches because he's so oppressed!
What exactly is your problem with homosexuals lad. As Chris said at your age to be coming out with that stuff is pretty sad.
I would imagine there's a bit of a homosexual in himself. Tis usually the way.
Quote from: Grim Reality on September 08, 2021, 09:58:50 PM
So we have Finnish antifa (or antifa adjacent) on here to gloat after Irelands biggest metal band were forced to pull out of a festival by their low, classless shit stirring.
No one is pulling out cos they are sharing a festival bill with Graveland or whoever. Its because your sneaky, underhand, anonymous threats would put these bands touring futures (and thus, very existence) in jeopardy.
Initially I was a bit disappointed Primordial didn't have the balls to stand up to these nihilists (and affirm their own lyrics in the most triumphant way in the process) but on reflection I cannot blame them and if in their shoes would surely have done the same. Backed in to a corner they had to choose the lesser of two evils. The risk of standing proud and then seeing the 30 year career of the band fading under the suffocating cloak of cancel culture was too great. I would say privately they are seething.
This Finnish antifa dickhead though (well spotted Chris) - what is your game?
What are your motivations? What are your values? In what do you believe?
Cos to me, a typical enough Irish centrist, some right views, some left, you are doing a disservice to the left. The vast majority people I know hate you guys. You are not winning anybody over. Up to recent years I would have subconsciously considered the left 'the good guys'. Not any more!!!
You are Totalitarian and unrelenting in your outlook with no room for nuance or context. You are anti art. You are anti freedom of expression. You are anti freedom of thought. You have a puritanical religious zeal which does not sit well with citizens of countries such as ours, which is still recovering from decades of the same.
To hell with you you absolute imposter. True liberal values will recover. Your deranged ideas of liberalism will soon be yesterday's news. Fuck you a thousand times!!!
I don't care about a festival lineup or am i part of some organization you are imagining. But the aftermath and the MWF reaction are just pure edgy teen alt right posturing.
There has been a lot of nazi / fascist / racist stuff out in the open in Finland recently and people are getting tired of it. As I said, the range of people who are not happy about these kinda lineups range from left to center right. However, there was no mob that shut it down. It was the bands themselves. Blame them and the organizer if you wanna blame someone. But I guess this forum has been so deeply redpilled that the enemy is written in stone. The hyperbole and hysteria is
HILARIOUSLook at yourselves. Even AA isn't blaming "the left" which he usually does when his milk has gone sour or it rains outside.
(https://i.imgur.com/JXPmO9q.jpg)
Listen you fucking retarded Finnish fucking clown, YOU of all people have some fucking neck on you to moralise to anybody here or anywhere else. Maybe your behaviour is deemed excusable by your small clique in the punk scene, but you don't have friends here and I think if your actions and behaviour were more widely known here (and they are known) you'd have been run the fuck out of it a long time ago. Now fuck off back to whichever sewer you were shat into and hide your fucking face in shame you deluded, arrogant fucking abomination.
M.A.R.P.
Are those Hatebreed lyrics?
You arrogant fucking scum. Stay in your fucking deluded safe space scene where you are protected by your friends, you dirty fucking animal.
I'd never even heard of Steelfest but Jesus what a lineup. Do people think many more bands will pull out? Would love to head to this.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 09, 2021, 11:41:44 AM
You arrogant fucking scum. Stay in your fucking deluded safe space scene where you are protected by your friends, you dirty fucking animal.
Strong words right there. I think you might be confusing me with someone else since I don't see why you would know anything about my "actions" and I have no idea what you are referring to.
But everything is war I guess :abbath:
You're scum. Fuck off.
M.A.R.P. will rise!!!!
Quote from: blessed1 on September 09, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 09, 2021, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 09, 2021, 08:11:00 AM
Relax Grim. He's clearly a homosexual with little or no direction in life. A non homeowner and a non reproductive waste of oxygen who loves abortion clinics and gay pride marches because he's so oppressed!
What exactly is your problem with homosexuals lad. As Chris said at your age to be coming out with that stuff is pretty sad.
I would imagine there's a bit of a homosexual in himself. Tis usually the way.
I'd ride him anyway. I know that ❤️
6ft 4" hunk....
In the meantime, Graveland cancelled me from their page for making a joke about them under this cartoon they posted:
https://www.facebook.com/gravelandofficial/photos/p.4254738481311918/4254738481311918/?type=3
Only said that if the 16th century witch hunters had demanded the same level of evidence of witchcraft before killing a girl as exists against their members for fascism, then we'd never have heard of the witch hunts! Seems objectively true to me :laugh: :abbath:
That cartoon is truly ridiculous; it's as bad if not worse than those who were calling Trump et al literal nazis to be comparing yourself to women who were murdered, most often for literally nothing at all. People losing the run of themselves all over the gaff; why can't everyone grow the fuck up??
Homos to the he camps
Quote from: blessed1 on September 09, 2021, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 09, 2021, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 09, 2021, 08:11:00 AM
Relax Grim. He's clearly a homosexual with little or no direction in life. A non homeowner and a non reproductive waste of oxygen who loves abortion clinics and gay pride marches because he's so oppressed!
What exactly is your problem with homosexuals lad. As Chris said at your age to be coming out with that stuff is pretty sad.
I would imagine there's a bit of a homosexual in himself. Tis usually the way.
Sure it must be. Classs, thanks lad.
Yeah but I have a much bigger mickey
Quote from: Blackout on September 09, 2021, 11:47:30 AM
I'd never even heard of Steelfest but Jesus what a lineup. Do people think many more bands will pull out? Would love to head to this.
Nope, all the pussies that will crumble and take the knee have....hopefully a few more bands with a spine get added....
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 09, 2021, 02:56:21 PM
Homos to the he camps
https://youtu.be/lKQnZhYML4U
Haven't had the chance to have a look at the forum the last few days so I had the pleasure of reading all the posts regarding this Steelfest clusterfuck from start to finish tonight.
What an absolute joy, such entertainment. Outrage, hurt, denial, spleen spitting, racist and homophobic slurs, abuse and counter abuse, it has it all. fantastic stuff.
Sure where else would you get it! :abbath: :abbath:
I've no issue with metal heads arguing over this stuff, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But to have that creepy Finnish retard interloping into a scene he so evidently despises, and throwing his weight around as though he is a paragon of virtue, that I will never accept. The man is scum. He's hated in the punk scene, but he happens to be friends with the 'right' people there so he somehow gets a pass. Not here. Fuck him.
How this batstain even got air time here is a mystery. Lads, hang your heads in shame.... :abbath:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 10, 2021, 04:22:26 AM
I've no issue with metal heads arguing over this stuff, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But to have that creepy Finnish retard interloping into a scene he so evidently despises, and throwing his weight around as though he is a paragon of virtue, that I will never accept. The man is scum. He's hated in the punk scene, but he happens to be friends with the 'right' people there so he somehow gets a pass. Not here. Fuck him.
I don't disdain the metal scene, just laughing at people who bend over backwards to relitigate reality to match their regressive views.
Also I'm having a lot of fun in the punk scene as well as metal gigs. I don't think I've heard anyone else proclaim hate towards me than you. I'm not sure what your goal is but you sure have found a project for yourself now it seems.
Here's something that apparently couldn't possibly exist: an explicitly, self-identified "Antifa" group who publish contact details of precisely which interests related to certain events individuals should put pressure on in order to get concerts cancelled...
https://enoughisenough14.org/2019/05/18/finland-steelfest-2019-nazi-bands-in-hyvinkaa-city-facilites/
QuoteContact Hyvinkää city council and the other business partners of Steelfest and tell them that this normalization of far-right ideology and economical support to open fascists cannot continue.
The business partners of Steelfest are:
The city of Hyvinkää (the city council decide who can rent and use their facilities)
Hyvinkään Villatehdas. (the festival area)
Hotelli Sveitsi and Scandic Hotel Hyvinkää (accomodation for bands and visitors)
Pohjoispuiston koulu & Tapainlinnan koulu (accomodation for bands and visitors)
Bar Crafters (a Hyvinkää pub where the preparty is held)
Kulkukoira (a bus company that arrange the festival transportation)
ELMU ry. (a Helsinki music association that run Nosturi, the venue where the Steelchaos events are arranged)
https://enoughisenough14.org/2020/02/24/antifa-finland-moonsorrow-touring-with-national-socialist-black-metal-band-nsbm-band-loits/
QuoteThe Moonsorrow/Loits tour in Finland is produced by Fullsteam Agency and Firebird Industries. The metal magazine Inferno is an official partner of the tour. Moonsorrows international promoter is Dragon Productions GmbH. in Germany. Their record company is Century Media Records. Below you can find the contact information to the artists performing with Moonsorrow and other official partners. Tell them what you think about Moonsorrow appearing alongside a NSBM band such as Loits.
What's that nonsense term you just employed? "Relitigating reality"? Sounds as vacuous as such terminology comes, but if it means anything, then it's what you'll be doing if you continue trying to insist that there is no active movement rallying to get certain events, including specifically Steelfest itself, shut down.
Didn't read everything within those links. So asking at a high level, why did primordial pull out? Sorry if its been explained already!
Edit , just see there is a new Alan averill pod just out so will give it a listen, maybe he addresses it.
Quote from: pete on September 10, 2021, 05:57:42 PM
Didn't read everything within those links. So asking at a high level, why did primordial pull out? Sorry if its been explained already!
Edit , just see there is a new Alan averill pod just out so will give it a listen, maybe he addresses it.
I very much doubt he will address it, not head on anyway. The official reason they pulled out is that there is no official reason they are willing to communicate, but there is "more to things than meets the eye." The reason that can be inferred from Primordial's lack of communication on the subject (they have since even deleted the entire unrelated post the conversation about it, screen-shot by batty above somewhere, occurred under) and from Steelfest's own statement is that Steelfest were contacted by certain touring agents saying that unless around 12 bands (specifics not revealed) were pulled from the fest, then various bands would cancel. Steelfest refused to back down, cue widespread cancellings of the most "mainstream" bands on the lineup. Now, is it just a coincidence that in my previous post we see at least one self-identified Antifa group who last year published the names and contact details of Moonsorrow's touring agent, record label, sponsors, all of the tour venues, etc., and encouraged its members/readers to call them/write to them/hassle them in some way in order to get the tour to fall apart? And please, before you answer, think seriously about the risk of relitigating reality! :abbath:
Ah cool, cheers for that.
Quote from: keyboard bat on September 10, 2021, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 10, 2021, 04:22:26 AM
I've no issue with metal heads arguing over this stuff, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But to have that creepy Finnish retard interloping into a scene he so evidently despises, and throwing his weight around as though he is a paragon of virtue, that I will never accept. The man is scum. He's hated in the punk scene, but he happens to be friends with the 'right' people there so he somehow gets a pass. Not here. Fuck him.
I don't disdain the metal scene, just laughing at people who bend over backwards to relitigate reality to match their regressive views.
The irony of this coming from you. You are a sick, sick man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMswepvHBAA
America is some spot hi
Everybody in that video is a retard.
Just popping in to relitigate things a bit.
Is that a word? Relitigate. Gets a redline underneath it for me boyz.
I hear you're a homosexual now Kev. Let me know when you leave the wife :-*
Hands off bitch..!!
Lol, I really like this chick....
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenInLDN/status/1438801429796372480
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😂😂😂😂
And they're not fookin lying either :laugh:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 23, 2021, 09:44:04 AM
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Talibans......a rare group of people I like less than homos :)
Seems Steve Albini has become the latest person to get stuck in the social media crosshairs.
This is from his Twitter account earlier today;
Quote from: Steve Albini @electricalWSOPI'm overdue for a conversation about my role in inspiring "edgelord" shit. Believe me, I've met my share of punishers at gigs and I sympathize with anybody who isn't me but still had to suffer them.
Question - what is an "edgelord" and also - "punisher at gigs"?
I'm lost with a lot of this social media speak.
Edgelord = non woke person = TRANSPHOBEMYSOGYNAZI!!!
Not a non-woke person, rather an anti-woke person. Generally someone who confuses offensiveness for humour, due to a lack of humour. Don't know if a "punisher" is a specific thing, beyond just an extroverted asshole.
Did you just call me a Nazi?
No, I said, uh, "You playin' yahtzee?"
I'm still a bit triggered.
Dave Chappelle in the firing line:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58990325
I'm sure he'll give a most grovelling apology :laugh: :laugh:
I've followed the fall-out a little bit online (I've also seen the special). Unfortunately, the attempt at a powerful message that Chappelle ended the special in question with was quite clearly completely lost on his loudest fans, who are apparently also the most retarded and resistant fans to that same message. He shouldn't apologize for what he said, but he should take those of his supporters who are vile, hate-filled morons to task. This is often the case though. Russell Brand, for example, says his videos are just about presenting the facts, but as soon as you go into the comments and see what's getting thousands of likes, it's pretty clear exactly what kind of pinhead mentality he's actually feeding, without ever calling it out.
When even the head of the network, their boss, is standing by him, he really has nothing to worry about.
What is a ´pinhead mentality? Pointing out the giant chasms in the average postmodern goons thought processes?
Always the same with you. ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE/DISLIKE THIS VIDEO ARE DUMB AND THEREFORE ITS ILLEGITIMATE.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 21, 2021, 10:22:08 AM
What is a ´pinhead mentality? Pointing out the giant chasms in the average postmodern goons thought processes?
Always the same with you. ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE/DISLIKE THIS VIDEO ARE DUMB AND THEREFORE ITS ILLEGITIMATE.
A pinhead mentality appears whenever someone knee-jerk reacts to something without first even trying to absorb the details. I said pinhead mentality in reference to Russell Brand's youtube horde of fans, apparently for the most part anti-vax conspiracy nuts who rack up thousands of likes for absolute nonsense statements below videos in which Brand claims to objectively present "facts", or whatever. Nothing whatsoever to do with post-modernism.
These people are part of literal cultes des ghoules.
https://youtu.be/y9h6F6bJRVs
They really are very damaged people aren't they? Their creepy tactics remind me of how Scientologists deal with non believers and apostates. I mean, how have this small neurotic minority managed to grab culture so squarely by the ball bag? Hopefully in a few years time society as a whole can all look back at this freakshow with collective embarrassment and shame having moved back to more normal territory.
Fascist behaviour. Making fun of, or denying any part of, this 'lifestyle' or doctrine is comparable to having a go at Stalin down the boozer in the 1930's USSR. I saw a tweet where one of these 'activists' said she would never vote for anyone who was white or male. A university professor said that the post was racist and sexist, and this bint tried to get the lad fired for hate speech. I've heard more coherent arguments from lads after eight yokes.
There's a long and more recent history of people trying, more or less successfully, to get university professors in the US fired, no need to reach for Stalin. The US made their own bed in this regard, a long time ago.
A high proportion of the movement are victims of abuse, to some extent or another. And that's not surprising; if you look at tweets or youtube comments of Chappelle's fans, you have a mix of people trying to be objective and free speech about it, you have guys like yer man in the video, who are creating scenes because like the protesters they also have nothing else better to be doing, and then you have a significant proportion who really are explicitly and blatantly also hate-filled and damaged individuals only interested in formulating the most abusive content they can muster. There is no shortage of abuse out there. It would be good if the protesters could calm down, but as I said above, it would be even better if certain figures took a bit of responsibility in how thousands and thousands of individuals in their fanbase interpret what they say. Chappelle ended his show with a, "I want to make sure we're all on the same side, that we're laughing together." In the same way the protesters are a vocal minority, there is also a vocal minority in his fanbase who unabashedly are only interested in verbal, transphobic abuse. If you don't accept that there really are absolute cunt trolls out there, damaged in their own petty way, and doling out abuse left, right, and centre, online and in the real world, then you're never going to understand what's happening on the other side. Venom breeds venom. Exclusion breeds a desire for exclusion. There's nothing surprising about any of it.
I think you're missing the point about Stalin. He was beyond reproach and so are people who want to pretend they are a different gender because of science denying activists screeching on behalf of others.
I don't really blame the transgender people, it's the ghouls who are intent on silencing dissent to this new orthodoxy. International pronouns day (wtf is that and anyways) the other day too, which conveniently coincided with those Netflix goons protesting over nothing.
Of course there are trolls, but I have better things to do than read YouTube comments. In any case, the guy in the video was the victim of felony theft, destruction of property. Of course, this and all the murders, assaults etc are trumped by the highly strung, hypersensitive marginalised groups and their 'trauma'. Give me a break!
I mean, just look at this sap: "I Got ASSAULTED at the Netflix Protest!" (that I went down to with the sole purpose of stirring shit and getting my 15 minutes and bumping my number of subscribers on YouTube and followers on Twitter).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtcj4jDpc3A
Do you honestly think mooks like this, exaggerating their own experiences (ASSAULTED!), is any better? Nonsense. That guy is clearly as much of a dose as the worst dose you could hope to find among the protesters.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 24, 2021, 12:45:56 PM
Of course there are trolls, but I have better things to do than read YouTube comments. In any case, the guy in the video was the victim of felony theft, destruction of property. Of course, this and all the murders, assaults etc are trumped by the highly strung, hypersensitive marginalised groups and their 'trauma'. Give me a break!
Felony theft... of a piece of wood? Destruction... of a piece of wood and some paper? Boo-fucking-hoo. I thought you were supposed to be representing the side of not blowing things out of proportion. A victim of felony theft of a piece of wood :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
So counter protests are always shit stirring, or just when the side you don't like do it?
Yes, he's a spa judging from that, but he's a spa who was the victim of crime, no matter how you spin it. He's laughing at the absurdity of the bloodlust for Dave Chapelle, the lad who told a poignant story about Daphne, and who is clearly not, to even the meanest of intellects or indoctrinated fanatic, a 'phobe' of any persuasion.
All right minded people should be laughing at them too.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 24, 2021, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 24, 2021, 12:45:56 PM
Of course there are trolls, but I have better things to do than read YouTube comments. In any case, the guy in the video was the victim of felony theft, destruction of property. Of course, this and all the murders, assaults etc are trumped by the highly strung, hypersensitive marginalised groups and their 'trauma'. Give me a break!
Felony theft... of a piece of wood? Destruction... of a piece of wood and some paper? Boo-fucking-hoo. I thought you were supposed to be representing the side of not blowing things out of proportion. A victim of felony theft of a piece of wood :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
To paraphrase Dr Peterson (oh!), I represent myself and not any group or persuasion.
He went looking for shit, he got it. End of story; ignore the thick, don't be encouraging even more bollocks of this nature. A victim of crime my arse; he's a victim of his own attention-seeking, that is the sober interpretation (again, what you're supposed to be all about) of what happened. Fuck him, move on.
What I'm supposed to be all about? Could you quote me the paragraph from my manifesto? 😂
Yeah, he's a spa judging from his YouTube channel. So that excuses these lunatics for taking and destroying a sign that says 'We like Dave'?
You seem to be as incapable of absorbing the bigger picture here as these cabbages are of accepting critique, mocking or different opinions.
Jaysus they would have loved you at the Berlin Wall. 'No Warning Shot' they'd have called you :)
A moment's silence for the theft and destruction of some sap's sign please everyone.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 24, 2021, 01:14:34 PM
A moment's silence for the theft and destruction of some sap's sign please everyone.
Head bowed, or down on one knee?
There was a woman who got a call from lurgan police to come down to the station or she would get arrested because some bloke reported one of her tweets regarding gender hate speech.
She got a tonne of support with the #istandwithceri. The cops didn't even tell her which tweet it was and since Twitter never removed it or warned her then it couldn't have broken their standards.
The peelers must have too much time down in Lurgan. Maybe the donut shop is closed.
Uh oh, please don't grass on me guys
Imagine reading a tweet and being so upset by it that you called the fucking cops :laugh: :laugh:
Incredible.
This is the problem as I see it. There are sensitive and hysterical muppets on both sides but while the nuts on the far right are being rightly ignored the nuts on the left seem to be having their imaginary grievances taken seriously. They have somehow claimed black people en masse, gay people en masse, disabled people en masse and trans people en masse as their project. They screech and stamp their feet over any perceived grievance, however tiny or even downright untrue and rather than people in positions of authority rolling their eyes and ignoring them as they should, they are falling over themselves to accommodate them. It's as if a large portion of society has been duped by the crazies or are under some strange spell. It's weird.
It's beyond weird.
It seems that we are in the midst of a giant social experiment where the goal is to alter peoples perception of reality, not just their opinions or attitudes. It's not at all organic or 'progressive', except in the doublespeak 'meaning' of the word, it's the exact opposite. Digital book burnings, opinion pogroms, mass arbitrary censorship, coercion to use language in a specific way and ,later, criminalisation of wrongthink and wrongspeech. The Soviets called it 'sabotage', it's now 'hate speech'. Tyranny breeds resistance, but the #SHOCKHORROR about the completely predictable rise of identitarians, proud boys, LETSGOBRANDONISARSCISTDOGWHISTLE appears to be somehow unexpected and the problem in and of itself.
Woe betide you and me and all the other phobes participating in 'hate conversations' if they decide to get uppity about it on Twitter.
This ad...amazing 😂
https://youtu.be/KJ_RSP_EK0E
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 28, 2021, 08:29:07 PM
This ad...amazing 😂
https://youtu.be/KJ_RSP_EK0E
Doritos: chocolate dick cheese edition
Big Kev was right.... :abbath:
Too many trannies and college heads in the US forces... :laugh:
Royal Marines force US troops to surrender just days into training exercise
° British commandos "dominated" US forces during a training exercise in California, using a new battle structure.
° US forces asked for a "reset" half way into the five-day war fighting exercise, having suffered significant simulated casualties.
° At one point in the battle, the commandos' "kill board", an intelligence assessment of the level of damage inflicted upon enemy equipment and units, had a tick against almost every American asset, indicating it had been deemed destroyed or rendered inoperable.
Killing them with Kindness or defending themselves through 10 paragraph message board posts didn't work I suppose...
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2019/january/21/190121-rn-rm-top-lgbt-employer
QuoteThe Royal Navy and Royal Marines have been named as one of the UK's top employers for their commitment to lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgender staff.
LGBT equality charity Stonewall has placed the naval service in 15th place on this year's Stonewall Workplace Equality Index, which lists the nation's top 100 organisations.
The Royal Navy was the first defence organisation to join Stonewall as a Diversity Champion in 2005 and has continued to support LGBT+ sailors and marines through its gender identity and sexual orientation network, Compass.
The only exercises you two should be worried about are those of your own "powers" of inquiry and reasoning.
Microsoft upping their 'They Live' game. Now, "they" also give you a detailed description and historic of their outward human suit, the latest addition to the ever-evolving distraction tactics aimed at taking your attention off their march to global domination. Yay!
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1456375912514031616
Why do they describe their looks and clothes? To be more inclusive to blind people? So weird and pointless :laugh:
They stopped short of rating their own attractiveness, that would have been fun. "I'm about a 7, but I owe my success to being able to act like I believe I'm a 9."
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2021, 11:14:46 AM
Microsoft upping their 'They Live' game. Now, "they" also give you a detailed description and historic of their outward human suit, the latest addition to the ever-evolving distraction tactics aimed at taking your attention off their march to global domination. Yay!
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1456375912514031616
She looks and sounds like one of those sex robots.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 03, 2021, 09:41:06 AM
The only exercises you two should be worried about are those of your own "powers" of inquiry and reasoning.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Well played
Greek cops doing good work....
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/1111/1259386-sean-binder-trial/
Surprised that they are naming and showing their photos. Maybe RTÉ ain't so bad after all...
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2021/1110/1259051-pup-payment-court/
Barry Cowan compares his party to infamous heroin dealer Larry Dunne.
https://twitter.com/CowenBarry/status/1459843594987216901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1459843594987216901%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FCowenBarry2Fstatus2F1459843594987216901widget%3DTweet
It's gone over as well as expected.
"winter lights" not "Christmas lights"....
https://mobile.twitter.com/dubcitycouncil/status/1460198827550515201
Winter finishes early this year :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Happy holidays!
I for one am sick and tired of all the Sieg Heiling and ducking under the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei hand salutes as I stroll down O'Connell Street of an afternoon or evening.
Thank gawd for the Irish Examiner to highlight and research all these far right groups that are hounding our nation...
https://mobile.twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1460362500541542400?s=24
There is a huge demand for Nazis but very little supply, so they expand the definition to compensate. Which is what the Nazis themselves did upon discovering the the Polacks were even more blond and blue eyed than themselves!
Girl Band have changed their name and apologised for 'mis-gendering' and 'propagating a culture of non-inclusivity'...embarrassing carry on.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/1116/1260291-girl-band-change-name-and-apologise-for-misgendering/
FFS
Ham Sandwich are currently scratching their collective head.
Quote from: ldj on November 16, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Girl Band have changed their name and apologised for 'mis-gendering' and 'propagating a culture of non-inclusivity'...embarrassing carry on.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/1116/1260291-girl-band-change-name-and-apologise-for-misgendering/
Hahaha amazing. I'm actually confused about who or what is being 'misgendered' though. Is it because they are lads and the word girl is in the band name? 'Propagating a culture of non-inclusivity'. That is some sentence, even more so considering this is (presumably) not a joke. Stomach churning bullshit.
Hahaha what the fuck, totally bonkers.
Quote"Regardless of our intention the effect of the name has been damaging to individuals. To try and negate any unfortunate role we've played in propagating a culture of non-inclusivity in music or otherwise, we have decided to change it.
What was their intention?
Damaging to who?
I thought in 2021 you could identify as whatever you like no?
On the plus side, the name Girl Band is now up for grabs :abbath:
Quote from: ldj on November 16, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Girl Band have changed their name and apologised for 'mis-gendering' and 'propagating a culture of non-inclusivity'...embarrassing carry on.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/1116/1260291-girl-band-change-name-and-apologise-for-misgendering/
Couldn't they change it to boy band?
It sounds like some sort of parody that explanation and I still don't get it. People complained to them about their name and they folded faster than superman on laundry day?
Girl band sounds like the perfect name, unless faggy twat band was taken.
The gas thing is that everyone, even those partaking in this sort of behaviour (maybe those people especially), know that the "victims" of this supposed word violence are acting. And the likes of Girl Band making heartfelt hand ringing apologies are acting too. It's all a big meaningless game where there really are no victims or perpetrators, but let's all just play along anyway. When will these spineless pussies start to stand up to this rubbish.
Defo. Every day there are some poor, bewildered thought criminals wheeled out to apologise for whatever protected species they have offended. Not a hope any of them believe the claptrap they come out with.
Had to hand it to John McEnroe, several commissars tried to get him to apologise for saying Serena Williams would be ranked 700th in the men's classification and he refused. A drop compared to the oceans of ghouls scared to death of the stench of whatever phobia or ist they are at risk of being labelled as.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 16, 2021, 06:57:00 PM
Had to hand it to John McEnroe, several commissars tried to get him to apologise for saying Serena Williams would be ranked 700th in the men's classification and he refused. A drop compared to the oceans of ghouls scared to death of the stench of whatever phobia or ist they are at risk of being labelled as.
The thing is, he's probably right. The two Williams sisters once said they could beat any man who was outside the top 200. There was a German fella who was ranked 203rd and took them both on one after the other and he beat them both.
Granted it wasn't a full game and they weren't taking it seriously but the did comment how the sisters were firing shots that would have won them a point against a woman and he was returning them back to them with ease.
Edit* here he is here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karsten_Braasch#:~:text=Braasch%20competed%20in%20a%20%22Battle,bottles%20of%20ice%20cold%20lager%22.
Quote from: ldj on November 16, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Girl Band have changed their name and apologised for 'mis-gendering' and 'propagating a culture of non-inclusivity'...embarrassing carry on.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/1116/1260291-girl-band-change-name-and-apologise-for-misgendering/
Excellent marketing tbf. I've never even heard of these idiots before
Quote from: Blackout on November 16, 2021, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: ldj on November 16, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Girl Band have changed their name and apologised for 'mis-gendering' and 'propagating a culture of non-inclusivity'...embarrassing carry on.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/1116/1260291-girl-band-change-name-and-apologise-for-misgendering/
Excellent marketing tbf. I've never even heard of these idiots before
Could be counter productive in that you'd be embarrassed to listen to them.
Be better listening to a proper girl band
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on November 16, 2021, 07:32:36 PM
Quote from: Blackout on November 16, 2021, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: ldj on November 16, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Girl Band have changed their name and apologised for 'mis-gendering' and 'propagating a culture of non-inclusivity'...embarrassing carry on.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/1116/1260291-girl-band-change-name-and-apologise-for-misgendering/
Excellent marketing tbf. I've never even heard of these idiots before
Could be counter productive in that you'd be embarrassed to listen to them.
Be better listening to a proper girl band
They'd have more balls.
Amazing from the Washington Pish
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/12/rittenhouse-judge-asian-food-schroeder/
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on November 16, 2021, 07:32:36 PM
Quote from: Blackout on November 16, 2021, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: ldj on November 16, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Girl Band have changed their name and apologised for 'mis-gendering' and 'propagating a culture of non-inclusivity'...embarrassing carry on.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/1116/1260291-girl-band-change-name-and-apologise-for-misgendering/
Excellent marketing tbf. I've never even heard of these idiots before
Could be counter productive in that you'd be embarrassed to listen to them.
Be better listening to a proper girl band
Silly alright changing the name. No need at all. As to if they're any good. Seen them twice. They're fucking brilliant live.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 16, 2021, 07:59:39 PM
Amazing from the Washington Pish
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/12/rittenhouse-judge-asian-food-schroeder/
Funny how that rag's motto is "Democracy dies in darkness", yet it has no problem running an article saying the elites should have a bigger say in electing presidents...
Have never been able to get through a full Girl Band album but love some of their tunes. This is utterly pathetic, pointless and embarrassing. There was another Belfast post punk band with a similar name as well.
Edit: Most comments on their instagram are their fans confused. One trans person saying that using that term misgendered is in itself offensive. hahaha. It never fucking ends.
Girls Names are the Belfast band. More traditional post punk and really cool from what I've heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoPcvQ4MgxQ
That story is quality, ha!
On the plus side, I'm glad I never paid attention to this so called post-punk revival going on in Ireland at the minute, between these lads and Fontaines DC pretending to be working class, I think I'll still to post-punk that was made by goths.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 16, 2021, 06:26:41 AM
"winter lights" not "Christmas lights"....
https://mobile.twitter.com/dubcitycouncil/status/1460198827550515201
oh man :laugh: but I always celebrate Winter :abbath:
Quote from: ldj on November 17, 2021, 01:19:20 AM
On the plus side, I'm glad I never paid attention to this so called post-punk revival going on in Ireland at the minute, between these lads and Fontaines DC pretending to be working class, I think I'll still to post-punk that was made by goths.
Do GB pretend to be working class? A tall ask. Fountaines DC are total spoofers. Can't see the appeal at all.
Quote from: open face surgery on November 17, 2021, 10:26:09 AM
Quote from: ldj on November 17, 2021, 01:19:20 AM
On the plus side, I'm glad I never paid attention to this so called post-punk revival going on in Ireland at the minute, between these lads and Fontaines DC pretending to be working class, I think I'll still to post-punk that was made by goths.
Do GB pretend to be working class? A tall ask. Fountaines DC are total spoofers. Can't see the appeal at all.
Never seen GB go on about that either. And yes what is the attraction of Fontaines DC. Can't fathom it. At least Altered Hours were main support on their tour just gone. A way better band. Like Girl Band better live than on record imo.
Quote from: open face surgery on November 17, 2021, 10:26:09 AM
Quote from: ldj on November 17, 2021, 01:19:20 AM
On the plus side, I'm glad I never paid attention to this so called post-punk revival going on in Ireland at the minute, between these lads and Fontaines DC pretending to be working class, I think I'll still to post-punk that was made by goths.
Do GB pretend to be working class? A tall ask. Fountaines DC are total spoofers. Can't see the appeal at all.
Just poorly worded on my part, I was just referring to Fontaines as pretending to be working class.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/59324155
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But, but, but.... Kevin is a lovely name... :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2021, 06:56:17 AM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/59324155
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just saw there that Rafiq has had to apologize himself for antisemitic comments sent to another player ten or so years ago. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2021, 06:56:17 AM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/59324155
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There are a lot of racist parents out there so...
My issue with it is that it the top headline. Anything with a whiff if race, it trumps far more important and interesting news.
Is there such a thing as "important" sporting news? :p
Women's football surely?
Racist dog man is now a double racist.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/59344022
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 19, 2021, 12:35:15 PM
Racist dog man is now a double racist.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/59344022
The evidence is mounting....
Rittenhouse cleared, which is the only just outcome.
Watch what happens though when the hysterics get wind of it.
More peaceful protesting?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 19, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
Watch what happens though when the hysterics get wind of it.
Just send him back out so.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 19, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
Rittenhouse cleared, which is the only just outcome.
Your knowledge of the US has to be completely fucked up (which it is) if you think a black or latino guy would have gotten out of an identical situation alive or without spending his life in prison.
I wonder how much longer we will have courts delivering verdicts based on evidence and not social media outrage. Even still this guys life is now over.
Quote from: Blackout on November 19, 2021, 09:12:33 PM
I wonder how much longer we will have courts delivering verdicts based on evidence and not social media outrage. Even still this guys life is now over.
Wouldn't want to be the jurors either. Wonder how long before they get doxxed - I see MSNBC tried to do that already.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on November 19, 2021, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: Blackout on November 19, 2021, 09:12:33 PM
I wonder how much longer we will have courts delivering verdicts based on evidence and not social media outrage. Even still this guys life is now over.
Wouldn't want to be the jurors either. Wonder how long before they get doxxed - I see MSNBC tried to do that already.
Apparently people in the court were sneaking pictures of the jury all throughout the trail to use when he was found not guilty and NBC were banned from the court because a journalist working for them tried to follow the bus carrying the jury on Wednesday to get pictures them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 19, 2021, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 19, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
Rittenhouse cleared, which is the only just outcome.
Your knowledge of the US has to be completely fucked up (which it is) if you think a black or latino guy would have gotten out of an identical situation alive or without spending his life in prison.
Kyle, no doubt, hasn't got 100's of other charges stacked up against him...
Shut it soy-boi... and just enjoy the
righteous scales of justice in action.... :laugh:
Btw, isn't Kyle Hispanic..?
Great wide ranging perspective piece on the whole thing here, not claiming Rittenhouse "should" have been found guilty:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-verdict-not-guilty/620737/
There's far too much talk on this forum about American politics, the American judiciary, American news and general American bullshite. >:(
Is our own cesspit of a political system, our own corrupt judiciary or our own propagandist media not deserving of a bit of attention at all?
I know I certainly don't give a fuck about some snot-nosed little American prick, but perhaps I'm in the minority.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 19, 2021, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 19, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
Rittenhouse cleared, which is the only just outcome.
Your knowledge of the US has to be completely fucked up (which it is) if you think a black or latino guy would have gotten out of an identical situation alive or without spending his life in prison.
If he was black and got attacked by 3 white guys like Kyle did, it would have looked so much like a lynching it'd be interesting to see if he'd ever even go to trial.
A situation where 3 white guys attack a black guy? Hmm, now, that rings a bell...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ahmaud_Arbery
Stay on topic.
I stayed exactly where you brought the topic; three white guys essentially lynching a black guy.
Anyway, I stand by what I said a year ago, but it's still very clear that Rittenhouse's experience through all of this, the night of included, is very much a white American boy's experience.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 23, 2020, 11:13:21 AM
It was a sad story from the start; a brainwashed kid, the manner of whose presence was illegal (armed minor) but seemingly encouraged, aided and abeted by adults, caught up in a situation that was simply beyond him. All this video does is make out that the brainwashing he was subject to is some kind of humanity saving "truth". I wouldn't want him to have the book thrown at him, but several adults need to be beaten round the head with some books and wisdom over it.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on November 19, 2021, 11:27:01 PM
There's far too much talk on this forum about American politics, the American judiciary, American news and general American bullshite. >:(
Is our own cesspit of a political system, our own corrupt judiciary or our own propagandist media not deserving of a bit of attention at all?
I know I certainly don't give a fuck about some snot-nosed little American prick, but perhaps I'm in the minority.
No matter where the trial, you should be worried about courts in any jurisdiction potentially being influenced heavily by public opinion rather than the facts. These types of cases happen in our own country.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 19, 2021, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 19, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
Rittenhouse cleared, which is the only just outcome.
Your knowledge of the US has to be completely fucked up (which it is) if you think a black or latino guy would have gotten out of an identical situation alive or without spending his life in prison.
Oh please. The unthinking response. What the lad looks like is completely meaningless to me.
Nothing else but a hypothetical 'yeah but...' scenario (in which I offered no opinion on, but you are implying that I did).
And of course, being an ideologue, and non-thinking partisan on the issue, you bring race into a case which involved a load of white people.
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE, wha?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 19, 2021, 11:59:41 PM
I stayed exactly where you brought the topic; three white guys essentially lynching a black guy.
You suggested switching races, not me.
Those two incidents vary significantly in their circumstances, and the only parallel that can really be drawn is that they would both involve 3 white guys and a 'black' guy, so it's of little use.
The point still stands that if the footage we all are accustomed with showed a black man running away, then being hit over the head with a skateboard by a white guy, followed by another white guy looming over him with a handgun while he's on the ground, then that black man defending himself from them, the perception of most people about the whole situation would be wildly different. Nevermind the storm that would have been created by a white man saying to him "shoot me n-word" prior to it all kicking off.
Kev, race was the reason for the riots, therefore the reason Rittenhouse was there in the first place. And if you don't understand why a white teenager strolling around no bother on him among policemen with a rifle doesn't evoke race in a country where black teenagers strolling around supposedly with things that look like rifles get shot dead, often by the police, who is the one not thinking?
Quote from: Bigmac on November 20, 2021, 07:54:45 AM
The point still stands that if the footage we all are accustomed with showed a black man running away, then being hit over the head with a skateboard by a white guy, followed by another white guy looming over him with a handgun while he's on the ground, then that black man defending himself from them, the perception of most people about the whole situation would be wildly different. Nevermind the storm that would have been created by a white man saying to him "shoot me n-word" prior to it all kicking off.
I disagree. The whole point is about trying to understand how the average white American would perceive a non-white teenager wandering around armed with a rifle, which you omit from your scenario.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 20, 2021, 08:02:40 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on November 20, 2021, 07:54:45 AM
The point still stands that if the footage we all are accustomed with showed an armed black man running away, then being hit over the head with a skateboard by a white guy, followed by another white guy looming over him with a handgun while he's on the ground, then that black man defending himself from them, the perception of most people about the whole situation would be wildly different. Nevermind the storm that would have been created by a white man saying to him "shoot me n-word" prior to it all kicking off.
I disagree. The whole point is about trying to understand how the average white American would perceive a non-white teenager wandering around armed with a rifle, which you omit from your scenario.
Fixed it.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on November 19, 2021, 11:27:01 PM
There's far too much talk on this forum about American politics, the American judiciary, American news and general American bullshite. >:(
Is our own cesspit of a political system, our own corrupt judiciary or our own propagandist media not deserving of a bit of attention at all?
I know I certainly don't give a fuck about some snot-nosed little American prick, but perhaps I'm in the minority.
Well said.
An armed black teenager would have been, at the very least, if he was lucky, arrested and disarmed by the police as soon as they saw him. Geddit??
Also agree with son of Morrigan here though. Too many people here watching Fox News, or worse, then coming out with BS they learn there that worse eejits like me can't resist expressing bewilderment at.
Enjoy your weekend lads!
Fox News is , at least, entertaining.
Looks like Chris was overdosing on The Independent again... :laugh:
No mention that one of them was a violent, insane convicted child rapist who tried to take his gun or that both other men were violent criminals, one of whom pointed a loaded gun at his head. The guy who kicked him in the head is already in jail too.
Doesn't justify the shootings in and of itself (Wisconsin law does), but it's still worth noting, even though them being white criminal pieces of shit rather than black will result in them not being canonized.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 19, 2021, 08:43:55 PM
Your knowledge of the US has to be completely fucked up (which it is) if you think a black or latino guy would have gotten out of an identical situation alive or without spending his life in prison.
While I don't disagree with this, my own take (admittedly simplistic, I haven't been following this very closely) is that Rittenhouse's victims, or injured parties if you prefer, undoubtedly suffered by virtue if the same inequality. It is very unlikely that he would have been acquitted in the current climate if the deceased were black. That's not to say he was justified, or not, in his actions, and this whole scenario just typifies why I really can't be arsed with the US in general. Seriously, people openly and legally going around armed with assault rifles, it just defies belief. Could not give a fuck about the 2nd Amendment and whatnot. It seems to be the same here in Ireland, the most braindead of society constantly deferring to the Constitution when trying to assert their own warped interpretation of 'rights', and failing to realize that Constitutions are as flawed and fallible as the persons who created them.
The right in the USA banging on about the constitution as if it's divine and utterly beyond reproach is extremely embarrassing at times, no doubt about it. Critics have a point that the times in which it was written and now are so distinct as to make it redundant.
On the other hand, the vast majority of gun crime is committed with illicit weapons, and therefore in the spirit of self defence, the man on the street perhaps should have the right to an equaliser considering the scale of the problem.
I think the class of weapon is kind of redundant though, most shootings are carried out with pistols for obvious reasons, if they are going to ban anything, maybe start with the glaring issue of tens of millions of handguns rather than harping on and on about 'assault style' weapons when one creates a mountain and the other a relative molehill.
I don't think they will ever sort out their gun problems.
Who cares anyhow. Let the yanks deal with their own shite!
Funny seeing lads on here getting so worked up over something that has no effect on their lives whatsoever
The ruling class dividing and conquering us by distraction with a US 'culture war'.
It's ingenious.
I fully agree with both of the above posts.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 20, 2021, 02:48:52 PM
The ruling class dividing and conquering us by distraction with a US 'culture war'.
It's ingenious.
The harder to swallow truth is that "the ruling class" have no need to be active in this at all; we willingly tune directly into US news outlets. "The ruling class" have nothing to do with that, it's simply the result of the pseudo-democratization of information via the internet and the fact that most news in the west is designed to be as sensational as possible for a local audience. You personally know more about Fox, CNN, mainstream US news in general, than any of us. All I really know is that it's designed for an audience composed of one of the most poorly educated populations in the western world.
George Simpkins got acquited, he's a black guy that shot 4 people, claiming he was bullied. Then went and had a huge party, while victims were lying in hospital.
Oh and rittenhouse surrendered, that helps to not get shot by police
He wasn't acquitted, he was put under house arrest on $75,000 bail, and his family held a (misjudged) welcome home thing for him. And he hadn't killed anyone, thankfully. But yeah, I'm sure whatever alt-right toilet source you got your info from spun it very differently.
The (black) chief of police came out and said Siimpkins was not bullied, he brought a gun to school over 'high risk behaviour', read into that what you will.
More pertinently, a black man, also a career criminal called Andrew Coffee was, in fact, acquitted of murder via self defence after shooting at police trying to execute a warrant on a drug house he was in, in which his girlfriend got killed in the crossfire.
So there's that.
https://www.google.es/amp/s/cbs12.com/amp/news/local/man-acquitted-of-shooting-at-deputies-in-raid-that-led-to-death-of-girlfriend
How do ye cunts even hear about these micro stories?? Because you're on culture war sites explicitly trying to draw equivalences, and then you have the rhino-skinned gall to come on with some clichéd horse shit about "the ruling class" distracting us? Fuck.ing.hell.chap. I looked up George Simpkins, and I clicked on your link there. First case obviously had to be spun to the high heavens to try to equate with Rittenhouse, since nobody died. The second case, straight off the bat, I'm guessing Andrew Coffee was acquitted in order to take some heat off the deputies for murdering the 21 year old girlfriend, who had nothing whatsoever to do with why they were there.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 20, 2021, 02:48:52 PM
The ruling class dividing and conquering us by distraction with a US 'culture war'.
It's ingenious.
Unreal lad, you are absolutely un-fucking-real.
You said in an earlier post about black lads would have been sent to jail for life in a similar situation and blah blah, and now you're sweating and huffing and puffing because your nose is out of joint due to being made to look daft yet again.
Stay over there on the coronavirus thread where you are the alpha male. You embarrass yourself with your contributions elsewhere.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 21, 2021, 05:27:58 PM
How do ye cunts even hear about these micro stories?? Because you're on culture war sites explicitly trying to draw equivalences, and then you have the rhino-skinned gall to come on with some clichéd horse shit about "the ruling class" distracting us? Fuck.ing.hell.chap. I looked up George Simpkins, and I clicked on your link there. First case obviously had to be spun to the high heavens to try to equate with Rittenhouse, since nobody died. The second case, straight off the bat, I'm guessing Andrew Coffee was acquitted in order to take some heat off the deputies for murdering the 21 year old girlfriend, who had nothing whatsoever to do with why they were there.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 20, 2021, 02:48:52 PM
The ruling class dividing and conquering us by distraction with a US 'culture war'.
It's ingenious.
Unreal lad, you are absolutely un-fucking-real.
'On culture war sites'. You read an quote the Guardian among other discredited rags, so the pot is calling the kettle black (oh!) and not for the first time.
I'm aware of my biases, but you bring out the best and the worst of me. Dialectical materialism and mentally unsound postmodern philosophers have fried your brain like a two week binge on the Bonnie Prince Charlie.
How many eyes are rolling because the lads are at again. 'Handbags', but you started it and I know you are so what does that make me.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 21, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
You said in an earlier post about black lads would have been sent to jail for life in a similar situation and blah blah, and now you're sweating and huffing and puffing because your nose is out of joint due to being made to look daft yet again.
Neither of the two situations presented there are
anything like the Rittenhouse scenario! Neither Simpkins nor Andrew Coffee killed anyone! FFS...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 21, 2021, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 21, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
You said in an earlier post about black lads would have been sent to jail for life in a similar situation and blah blah, and now you're sweating and huffing and puffing because your nose is out of joint due to being made to look daft yet again.
Neither of the two situations presented there are anything like the Rittenhouse scenario! Neither Simpkins nor Andrew Coffee killed anyone! FFS...
Coffee was accused of felony murder. They argued he was responsible for the girls death, whether or not he pulled the trigger.
And that makes it similar to the Rittenhouse scenario because...? It's a clear case of US law enforcement being overly heavy handed, this leading to a death, and then them trying to save themselves behind it. In the context of the US, here is everything you need to know right here:
Quotethe tactical team smashed through his bedroom window
...and then he fired.
Nothing like the Rittenhouse scenario whatsoever.
The charges are nearly identical.
So there's that.
One last time for today: you're an idiot.
Good man. The ad hominem; the last vestige of a pompous, sneering je-sais-tout, with far more confidence in his own 'intellect' than most observers, barring perhaps the other adolescents who analyse the world through Zizek and Dialectical materialism.
I've already addressed your "arguments", so that part is done. Me calling you an idiot after the fact isn't a rhetorical ad hominem, it's just a bonus. The police smashed through Coffee's bedroom window, he opened fire, they fired back, killing his girlfriend in the process, meanwhile Coffee's gunfire killed no one. That you would insist on trying to compare this to the Rittenhouse scenario is idiocy, pure and simple.
One can quite easily be convicted of murder without having pulled the trigger. Perhaps that fact escapes you, as much else seems to do, as you are so painfully, wilfully indoctrinated.
He says 'I didn't hear the police identify themselves I was asleep'. This is a drug dealing, criminal piece of shit, I'd wager he's lying.
'Idiocy, plain and simple'. No, you don't like the stink on your suggestion that the black man would never get away with it. Your ego will not tolerate it.
You have a severe case of the Napoleons, and that has nothing to do with your geographical location.
That's a 'bonus', by the way.
None of that matters Kev; whether he was lying, the fact that he's a criminal, etc. The point is that the scenario is nothing like the Rittenhouse one. And whoever brought the story to your attention trying to make you believe otherwise is either themselves an idiot or, worse, banking on you being an idiot. The Guardian bank on their readers being idiots all the time, or play to their sensibilities just to keep them as readers, and I've criticized The Guardian as much on this forum as anyone else; it's almost unreadable on politically charged stories like this one. But you, and others on here even worse than you, never seem to realize that the Tucker Carlsons of the right-wing media, the Rupert Murdochs, etc., etc., are also heavily banking on their viewers and readers being idiots, not double checking things, not pausing to reflect, not scratching the surface. And as you bizarrely pointed out yourself, these aren't even battles related to you! Would you not just cop on like? It is an option.
I read the story, such as it is, what do you expect me to do? I didn't hear it from Tucker Carlson either, he's simply one of the worlds greatest comic minds.
Just happened upon it during your weekly browse of local news outlet CBS12, yeah?
So have we got to the bottom of it yet? Do gingers have souls?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 21, 2021, 07:56:22 PM
So have we got to the bottom of it yet? Do gingers have souls?
Not the ones who killed Ahmaud Arbery!
________________________________________
Two Fox News contributors quit over Tucker Carlson's idiocy amplifying Patriot Purge documentary, detailing why:
https://thedispatch.com/p/why-we-are-leaving-fox-news
QuoteThe special...is presented in the style of an exposé, a hard-hitting piece of investigative journalism. In reality, it is a collection of incoherent conspiracy-mongering, riddled with factual inaccuracies, half-truths, deceptive imagery, and damning omissions.
Over the past five years, some of Fox's top opinion hosts amplified the false claims and bizarre narratives of Donald Trump or offered up their own in his service. In this sense, the release of Patriot Purge wasn't an isolated incident, it was merely the most egregious example of a longstanding trend. Patriot Purge creates an alternative history of January 6, contradicted not just by common sense, not just by the testimony and on-the-record statements of many participants, but by the reporting of the news division of Fox News itself.
Pair of fannies.
I know you're possibly half-joking there, but what is happening in this open letter, as stated explicitly here...
QuoteWe started The Dispatch two years ago "to do right as we see it, by providing engaged citizens fact-based reporting and commentary on politics, policy and culture—informed by conservative principles." We made a promise to our readers and members that we'd challenge our own assumptions as we challenged theirs, and that we wouldn't pull punches. The tension between doing that work well and remaining loyal to Fox has tested us many times over the past few years. But with the release of Patriot Purge, we felt we could no longer "do right as we see it" and remain at Fox News. So we resigned.
...that is called integrity. To use vocabulary familiar even to intellectuals on the conservative right, that would be a trait of master, not slave, morality.
Both sides are being complete gimps about the whole issue, one feeding off the other. CNN will not shut the fuck up about 'insurrections' and some of the Fox coverage is equally moronic, although most is mockery of the BS coming from across the way.
To believe wholesale what either say is dumb.
Nevertheless, TC is a tremendous entertainer, his counterparts are just unbearable lying fannies.
The media's initial desperation to hide the reality of who this prick who plowed into the parade is comical. Most of them are reluctant to point out that he was black.
It was hardly a 'tragedy' as they keeping calling it, given the circumstances, more of a murderous, racist rampage. This fuckers Twitter posts are unreal.
I watched the interview with Rittenhouse this morning. He came across well, though Tucker Carlson avoided the one question that I guess no clean answer could have been provided for; by what means he had procured his deadly firearm. At some point, after Rittenhouse had just described the most intense part of the two-way attack during which he fired off the shots, Carlson says, "It's hard to believe something like this could happen in America." LOL! America is the only developed nation where anyone would expect "something like this" to happen, you dumb prick, and the largest cultural explainer of why that is lies in the very fact that you're interviewing a teenager about an incident which began with him, still a minor, patrolling the streets armed with a deadly weapon, yet you don't ask him about why, as a minor, he came to think this was okay, perhaps even laudable.
The right are already doing their utmost to seduce Rittenhouse as a hero to their side, to such an extent that I feel it's unlikely he'll follow his lawyer's advice and keep away from these people the latter has correctly referred to as "morons":
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1462969492963610624
'It's hard to believe this could happen in America' is a retarded thing to say.
Nevertheless to consider TC as dumb is misguided. He consistently destroys his competition on a nightly basis, and doing it in loud, brash, tabloid fashion.
The (not so) secret to his success is that the ghoulish masses and pathetic liars he has as compétition are so utterly discredited and distrusted (case in point above, MSNBC would even confirm the gender of the suspect even though everyone with a social media account knew what he had for breakfast), he is gallant prince of freedom and truth to blue collar Americans. He is also a very funny, sumptuous show man. His massive appeal isn't that difficult to get your head around, even though it might be for the goysh down at the lab or the Foucault lecture.
His competition are John Oliver, Trevor Noah, Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert... they're all loud, brash, tabloid personas. It's the only fucking game in town in the US! And we get it, no need to repeat ad infinitum all the various ways in which you'd love to gently caress Tucker Carlson's scrotum; you're in love with him, you worship every poisonous fleck of spittle that flies out of his mouth; we get it! Jaysus, for all the pathetic homophobia that's been trundled out on this forum by you and your wee clique, never has it known a gayer thing than you whenever you stan for Tucker Carlson.
I'm not afraid of homosexuals, per se.
Fact checked!
It's a never ending Dali painting, this society we're creating.😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stop the press!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59397737
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 24, 2021, 06:54:31 AM
It's a never ending Dali painting, this society we're creating.😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stop the press!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59397737
She's a bigger gobshite to apologise to these plebs.
The complaints came from "netizens". Says it all.
Some nasty ass Tweets and social media posts about that deadlocked BLM terrorists attack on the Christmas parade in Waukesha....
https://www.hyphen-report.com/waukesha-collection-of-gloating-over-murdered-white-children/
Can we pull the plug on America and start again? They've lost it.
Maybe a better response is to heed the warning set by that fucked up place and not allow the rest of the western world to become so blinkered by insane ideology. Dreaming, I know :-X
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 24, 2021, 08:57:57 AM
Can we pull the plug on America and start again? They've lost it.
I'll agree with you. It does need to be nuked.
Along with Israel....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2021, 08:45:39 AM
Some nasty ass Tweets and social media posts about that deadlocked BLM terrorists attack on the Christmas parade in Waukesha....
https://www.hyphen-report.com/waukesha-collection-of-gloating-over-murdered-white-children/
oh no, randomers being cunts online!!
I doubt, as fucked up as both the left and right are, that the right would glorify the slaughter of innocent parents and children in a parade.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
I doubt, as fucked up as both the left and right are, that the right would glorify the slaughter of innocent parents and children in a parade.
Uh-huh. Ever hear of a lovely little place called 4chan? Idiot.
The UK is so stuffy and the apologathon is so painful and ubiquitous that it's rivalling the other gaff.
I know most of them are empty and written up by the PR department, but BBC just can't help but plaster them all over the newsfeed.
I'm thinking of Tony Soprano listening in incredulously on Ralph as he apologies to Johnny Sack.
'What did I say?! NO APOLOGY'!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2021, 08:45:39 AM
Some nasty ass Tweets and social media posts about that deadlocked BLM terrorists attack on the Christmas parade in Waukesha....
https://www.hyphen-report.com/waukesha-collection-of-gloating-over-murdered-white-children/
I thought he was just a nutter running away from one crime scene only to create a biblical crime scene. Twitter really is the arse of the Internet. 4chan for left wing loonies.
Quote from: hellfire on November 24, 2021, 12:50:04 PMTwitter really is the arse of the Internet. 4chan for left wing loonies.
Haha, now this I like!
Norwegian Postal Service Christmas video... Santa gets a boyfriend. Yet there are those that say a cultural marxist revolution isn't taking place. Imagine doing this to a Children's hero and making them watch it.?
I'm not going to post the shite video....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2021, 01:11:16 PM
Norwegian Postal Service Christmas video... Santa gets a boyfriend. Yet there are those that say a cultural marxist revolution isn't taking place. Imagine doing this to a Children's hero and making them watch it.?
I'm not going to post the shite video....
Thanks for the share man, just watched it there. Might have taken me days to see it if it wasn't for you and the rest of your perpetually offended bunch! Deadly, love it, not only but above all because of the sheer state it's going to throw the likes of you into. 50 years since the decriminalization of homosexuality, I say fair play to them for celebrating something that shouldn't be controversial in such a controversial way. Give me a gay fictional children's character over a Coca Cola endorsed children's fictional character any day of the week!
https://youtu.be/nDLumk_rQQw
CNN: the Bleaching Report... :laugh:
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/349124810
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2021, 01:11:16 PM
Norwegian Postal Service Christmas video... Santa gets a boyfriend. Yet there are those that say a cultural marxist revolution isn't taking place. Imagine doing this to a Children's hero and making them watch it.?
I'm not going to post the shite video....
Reminded instantly of that Bill Burr 'eewww' skit. Vom!
Hmm... doesn't sound like you really got the skit tbh. Main difference of course between Bill Burr and ye two, is that we know you're both homophobic and not funny!
Anyway, since it's one of his funniest, and since it'll be the best thing ever posted in all 250 pages of this thread for whining old men, let's do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sxZnE_Rab4
I didn't 'get the skit'. You mean the one where he explained why he went 'duh' because it was too guys with beards laughing, he wasn't ready? Yeah, I got it. The ego, the fucking ego on you, it's something else.
And as for not being funny? The lack of self awareness in that statement you made is amazing. Yeah spliffs and waffle, and being right-on, how cool are you!
I'd rather be a whining old man than an insufferable cunt.
He's actually older than me :)
Can you fix your previous post there son, so I know what it is you were trying to say? Not having a go, pretty sure they're just auto-fill errors.
Comedy gold :)
I wrote that at the traffic lights, I'm reasonably happy with how I kept my eyes on the road at the same time:)
Quote from: Blackout on November 24, 2021, 05:31:11 PM
I'd rather be a whining old man than an insufferable cunt.
I hope for all your sakes you're like me and are only whining old men on here, 'cos personally this is the only place I allow myself to be an insufferable cunt. It's like how you get older and clean up your whole life, get yourself sorted, except with that one group of lads you just always end up doing gear with, ya know? :abbath:
The two lads in that last category are Irish lads of almost identical vintage to myself :)
Morning everyone... 8)
Communism 101..... :laugh:
Some top class faggitry from Vice.
Let's queer everything...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb3w7a/the-pilgrims-were-queer
Looks like an interesting read, thanks for the share. Fits in with the revival of revisiting historical and prehistorical narratives (a large part of which involves indigenous American peoples) launched by the posthumous release of David Graeber's co-written book The Dawn of Everything last month.
....
Chestfeeding: it's a thing....
Get over it.....
:laugh:
Provocative "art"
https://4w.pub/baby-used-as-prop-in-non-binary-art/
QuoteOn November 15, Feminist, which describes itself as an "intersectional" community "amplifying a diverse network of change-makers," featured the work of Kenny Lemes, a Argentina-based photographer. While five pieces of Lemes' art were posted, one in particular left many Instagram users with questions and concerns.
The photo featured a seemingly naked male cradling a baby, which was suckling at a rubber nipple that had been affixed to the man's own.
Just seeing your previous post now too. Funny (not) that it's not even the most blatantly anti-semitic thing you've posted here.
Smash up those Trócaire boxes boiz...
They won't buy our fookin Kerrygold the cheeky cunts! :abbath:
https://mobile.twitter.com/alutaethiopia/status/1464040760869900288
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 27, 2021, 07:26:05 PM
Provocative "art"
https://4w.pub/baby-used-as-prop-in-non-binary-art/
QuoteOn November 15, Feminist, which describes itself as an "intersectional" community "amplifying a diverse network of change-makers," featured the work of Kenny Lemes, a Argentina-based photographer. While five pieces of Lemes' art were posted, one in particular left many Instagram users with questions and concerns.
The photo featured a seemingly naked male cradling a baby, which was suckling at a rubber nipple that had been affixed to the man's own.
Just seeing your previous post now too. Funny (not) that it's not even the most blatantly anti-semitic thing you've posted here.
Shurrup ya fookin gobshit....
https://youtu.be/D0kWAqZxJVE
I criticize Israel plenty for their apartheid treatment of Palestine and Palestinians. The anti-Semitism is in the grossly inaccurate and intentionally... anti-Semitic move of comparing Israel's treatment of Palestinians to the Third Reich's treatment of the Jews.
Kev has lept on me in the past just for doing the former since his particular brand of GOP-inspired conservatism means he's sympathetic to Israeli policy, but I doubt your simp will even say boo to you for doing the latter, despite how many magnitudes more inaccurate it is.
250 pages in and it seems people do just love to moan about pointless shite
And still you tune in
Down with Minor Attracted Persons (peedohs) and their fans....
https://nypost.com/2021/11/25/prof-who-referred-to-pedophiles-as-minor-attracted-persons-to-resign/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
Mental illness strikes in Co. Meath...
https://mobile.twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1465369671503339530?s=20
Mental illness is paying attention to grypt.
Here we go.... The Elves telling their fibs again...
Oy vey....
https://youtu.be/aEx_CBxNrXY
Good job YT... Removing the dislike feature and thus, turning the comment section into comedy gold... :laugh:
...and yet more proof for all those who like to try to deny it that, yes, there are thousands and thousands and thousands of anti-Semites active online. Film looks shit. Much like Sausage Party, which thankfully I never saw. But paraphrased quotes from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the infamous Mein Kampf inspiring The International Jew getting thousands of likes...? Well, you just keep slithering down the world's worst toilet there KC, letting all your charming friends shit all over you.
It's a bit of a closed shop really; media, TV and the film industry....
Wow, what an eye-opening statement. Can I subscribe to your newsletter? The Daily Stormer is it?
Looks like the escargot eaters are waking up...
In a poll, 57% of French agree with statement "We are first and foremost a people of the white race, of Christian "religion, and of Greco-Roman culture."
° 44% agree: "The practice of Islam is not compatible with France. Two civilizations cannot live on the same soil ". 41% of those polled agree: "Unaccompanied [foreign] minors have nothing to do here, they are thieves, they are murderers, they are rapists, that's all they are! "
° Finally, 55% approve the sentence: " French people with an immigrant background are more controlled than the others because most of the traffickers are black and Arab ... It is a fact "
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 30, 2021, 09:51:26 AM
Wow, what an eye-opening statement. Can I subscribe to your newsletter? The Daily Stormer is it?
Why actually you can. We've already got 5,999,999 subscribers, but there's always room for one more...
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 30, 2021, 07:32:46 AM
Here we go.... The Elves telling their fibs again...
Oy vey....
https://youtu.be/aEx_CBxNrXY
Good job YT... Removing the dislike feature and thus, turning the comment section into comedy gold... :laugh:
HBO/YOUTUBE IN SHAMBLES AS ANTISEMITIC COMMENTS FLOOD SANTA INC TRAILERHBO and YouTube are absolutely seething right now.....
Top comment:The Elves have told some pretty unbelievable stories. They told this one story about holographic toys that I just couldn't believe.
Two Sixths of the Holo-Toys is a good documentary that raises interesting questions about some of the alleged toy factories.Absolutely unbelievable shenanigans altogether, I'm appalled. Who thought these Neanderthals how to write.?
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 01, 2021, 07:06:36 AM
HBO/YOUTUBE IN SHAMBLES AS ANTISEMITIC COMMENTS FLOOD SANTA INC TRAILER
Oh, what a surprise, this is lifted direct from 4chan, the bacteria colony that feeds off the bottom of the toilet of the world:
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/350079172/hboyoutube-in-shambles-as-antisemitic-comments
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 01, 2021, 07:06:36 AM
Who thought these Neanderthals how to write.?
Trust me, almost no thought was involved.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
I doubt, as fucked up as both the left and right are, that the right would glorify the slaughter of innocent parents and children in a parade.
I was linked to an article in the Daily Mail the other day about the 27 men, women, and children who died in the Channel Crossing, got down to the comments and what do I see? A whole load of vile right wing cunts, just like you KC, mocking the dead.
Mocking the dead is a bit much. Returning people to their point of departure and refusing them access to any kind of state support once they arrive is the only thing that will stop these death dinghies. The problem of people undertaking these incredibly dangerous journies was created by the left. Angela Merkel also has a massive case to answer for turning the Mediterranean into a watery graveyard.
The crux of it really...
Journalism is most certainly on the decline, across the spectrum, though I doubt you've read any serious journalism in your entire life, given the bollocks you try to pass off as attention-worthy here.
Serious, like 'the Atlantic'?
Serious like not 4chan, Gript, The Liberal, The Daily Mail, etc. Something more serious than something you'd hesitate to wipe your arse with for fear of what you might contract.
Hard to trust any of them though. I read Le Monde (try to keep it to the sports news) just to be reading in French, but some of their articles...Christ.
Same goes for USA Today, any of the Spanish papers or the Irish Independent, which I have access to a subscription. Some of the opinion pieces in the latter are such utter scutter that you'd think it was an elephants graveyard for failed Daily Mirror columnists and agony aunts.
Irish Examiner has excellent sports coverage. Unsure about the rest. Still stinks highly of PR Cork.
Bits of serious journalism trickle through here and there, but I don't know of any single source which can be said to have enough genuine integrity to be consistently reliable.
You could give Courrier International a go for the French; high quality translations of pieces from all around the world. Most of the content is subscriber only, but if it's just for language learning, there's always enough that's not paywalled to have an interesting read or two a day.
Cheers I'll have a look:)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 01, 2021, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 01, 2021, 07:06:36 AM
HBO/YOUTUBE IN SHAMBLES AS ANTISEMITIC COMMENTS FLOOD SANTA INC TRAILER
Oh, what a surprise, this is lifted direct from 4chan, the bacteria colony that feeds off the bottom of the toilet of the world:
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/350079172/hboyoutube-in-shambles-as-antisemitic-comments
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 01, 2021, 07:06:36 AM
Who thought these Neanderthals how to write.?
Trust me, almost no thought was involved.
This goyim rages hard for the J.....
Jesus man, please go back on your meds. You are insufferable.
Fuck sake can you reel it in? You can get your point across without being an arse about it. There's plenty of other places you can go if you're wanting to delve into that kind of conversation.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 01, 2021, 10:48:17 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 24, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
I doubt, as fucked up as both the left and right are, that the right would glorify the slaughter of innocent parents and children in a parade.
I was linked to an article in the Daily Mail the other day about the 27 men, women, and children who died in the Channel Crossing, got down to the comments and what do I see? A whole load of vile right wing cunts, just like you KC, mocking the dead.
Our resident cretin is addled as usual. Wasn't he hoping for Polish border police to shoot immigrants just last week, not distinguishing between adults and children there??
Quote from: hellfire on December 01, 2021, 11:41:17 AM
Mocking the dead is a bit much. Returning people to their point of departure and refusing them access to any kind of state support once they arrive is the only thing that will stop these death dinghies. The problem of people undertaking these incredibly dangerous journies was created by the left. Angela Merkel also has a massive case to answer for turning the Mediterranean into a watery graveyard.
Seriously? To make a local link, what encouraged people on to coffin ships to America during an Górta Mór? Did they expect state support on the other side? Or was it plain desperation that drove them to take a perilous journey perhaps, that no matter what things have to be worth working towards?
Any different now for people in so many other countries that they won't take risks anyway to go to places where they see better opportunities for a better quality of life?
If anyone replies, the answer is likely to involve smart phones. Anti-immigration folk like nothing more than to shelter their lack of humanity under the implicit absurd notion that smart phones can be used as flotation devices.
Quote from: Snare on December 01, 2021, 11:53:50 PM
Quote from: hellfire on December 01, 2021, 11:41:17 AM
Mocking the dead is a bit much. Returning people to their point of departure and refusing them access to any kind of state support once they arrive is the only thing that will stop these death dinghies. The problem of people undertaking these incredibly dangerous journies was created by the left. Angela Merkel also has a massive case to answer for turning the Mediterranean into a watery graveyard.
Seriously? To make a local link, what encouraged people on to coffin ships to America during an Górta Mór? Did they expect state support on the other side? Or was it plain desperation that drove them to take a perilous journey perhaps, that no matter what things have to be worth working towards?
Any different now for people in so many other countries that they won’t take risks anyway to go to places where they see better opportunities for a better quality of life?
At the time the migrant crisis was at its worst the European border agency Frontex estimated that there were very few fleeing war or famine. There were also very few women and children. The myth that if you go to Germany then you get good money, a house and a beautiful blonde wife were exploited by human traffickers to such an extent that people were willing to horse over every cent they could get their hands on to go on a trip that had a good chance of ending in death.
Look at the recent deaths in the English Channel. These people weren't fleeing a war torn or impoverished country. They were leaving France. The human traffickers had the UK built up as the land of plenty so much that they got into a vessel that wasn't designed to go more than 50 metres from shore to get there.
If you and others like you want to house people inelligible for asylum or a working visa feel free to do so yourself. Don't have the state and taxpayers forking out for your noble stance.
The migrant camp in Calais is worse than a shanty town in Calcutta. You try to make it sound like those 27 people swanned out of the Louvre and decided they'd hit Selfridges next.
Isn't that camp for people who refused to remain in the many EU countries they passed through because they have decided that it's British benefit system or bust.
You don't get to go asylum shopping. Very few of them would have grounds for asylum anyway.
The three talking points you're using were addressed in Parliament the other day, stats in hand:
https://twitter.com/OliDugmore/status/1464536696138178569
Notably, virtually all arrivals by small boat claim asylum in the UK. 61% are granted it on first application, 59% of the remainder upon appeal.
Ignore the British Home Secretary on favour of an activist member of the House of Lords. That is not Parliament it us the House of Lords, they have much better upholstery. The UK is not the preferred destination for most asylum seekers. At a guess I would say that Germany is, possibly followed by Sweden.
The number of asylum applications is lower than it was 20 years ago in the UK. There seems to have been a massive spike in asylum numbers in the early 2000s which was offset by an 88% rejection rate.
The dinghies didn't start with covid, that point is pure shit. The numbers he is quoting approval wise is the overall number of applications and not the number who arrived by dinghie. The home office in the UK decided that about 70% of these illegal entrants are economic migrants.
The European asylum rules are the first safe country you arrive in. A couple of poorly and selectively chosen stats from a senile old git doesn't change that.
So you accept it's not the "British benefit system or bust." Good. In 2020, the UK was 5th in Europe by total number of asylum applications: Germany, Spain, France, Greece, the UK. Sweden is way, way down the list.
The European asylum rules you mention no longer apply to the UK, that's one of the first points he raises when he reminds the House that the UK is no longer part of the Dublin Regulation.
And since the British Home Secretary is Priti Patel, yes, I think it is most wise to doubt figures she may claim. But anyway, direct from the Home Office:
Quote"The increase in applications is likely linked in part, to the easing of global travel restrictions that were in place due to the Covid-19 pandemic, and to an increase in small boat arrivals to the UK – of which almost all claim asylum"
Edit: Re the ranking of UK as a destination for asylum seekers, might be worth pointing out that it falls down to 17th place against other EU nations when you look at application numbers against present population.
Quote from: hellfire on December 02, 2021, 12:54:26 PM
Ignore the British Home Secretary on favour of an activist member of the House of Lords.
This is false naïvety of the highest order. Boris Johnson's entire cabinet are fucking activists! Cunt conservative activists!!
It is not British benefits or bust for most, but it is for some. I completely forgot that the majority of British people voted to get rid of EU immigration rules. They passed through four or five safe countries before hopping on a children's toy in freezing cold water. There is a big difference between claiming asylum and qualifying for it. I'm not buying the whole desperate need thing. France is not a place most people need to escape from.
On the contrary, I feel the need to escape from it several times a week.
Do you feel persecuted or fear for your life? If so maybe you can claim asylum in Britain. I'll buy you the raft myself.
Quote from: hellfire on December 02, 2021, 01:37:37 PM
Do you feel persecuted or fear for your life? If so maybe you can claim asylum in Britain. I'll buy you the raft myself.
I'm Scottish on the paternal side, so I can lower myself to the status of subject of the Queen any time I choose.
As long as it's not Ireland I don't care where you go. To finish the point anyway I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who are in a safe country and looking for an upgrade. Granting asylum is for people in danger who would are not safe in their country of residence. It's not an excuse to go dole shopping.
Your views are fast becoming outdated too. People got bored with the refugees welcome crap over the last few years. It had it's fun until the numbers went up and they started arriving. I notice very little outcry at the moment about Polish police and army manning a fence to keep them out.
Quote from: hellfire on December 02, 2021, 01:49:07 PM
As long as it's not Ireland I don't care where you go.
Ouch :laugh:
You shouldn't be surprised to discover hellfire that the measure by which I evaluate my views is not their popularity ;)
People wanting to leave France to go to the UK have many motivations: family to join, they speak English and don't speak French, they've been promised easy work in the UK. If they did stay in France, they would actually get more in the way of benefits than if they get to the UK, so there is no "dole shopping" going on. If that was what it boiled down to, they would all stay in France. Now, as the figures show, more do stay in France than end up trying to get to the UK, but those who don't stay quite clearly are not "dole shopping." Ridiculous turns of phrase like that and "British benefits or bust", to be honest, just reveal the kind of politically prejudiced tabloid sources you're getting these ideas from.
Asylum is essentially a charitable act by a country to protect the vulnerable. Take it or don't, you don't get a menu regardless of where your mother, brother or cousin lives. If they are promised work surely a working visa would be appropriate? Those are easy to sort out when a job is assured.
It's has nothing to do with the benefits they will actually get. It's about the ridiculous benefits that the people operating these mini death barges tell them they will get.
Most will arrive in the UK with a level of education that will lock them out of all but menial UK jobs. The benefits whether real or imaginary are the incentive.
Apologies that The Daily Communist doesn't yet have distribution in my part of the country, but I one day aspire to have a reading list that conforms to your impeccable standards of impartiality.
Quote from: hellfire on December 02, 2021, 02:26:50 PMIf they are promised work surely a working visa would be appropriate? Those are easy to sort out when a job is assured.
Black market labour jobs, not necessarily communicated as such.
There was a BBC3 documentary a while back on just how dangerous and poorly paid those black market jobs are. You're suggesting that having them work for pittance on top of claiming benefits is an upgrade from just claiming benefits? Actually, just to summarise, what is your point? Not just with that post, all of it.
Quote from: hellfire on December 02, 2021, 02:45:41 PM
You're suggesting that having them work for pittance on top of claiming benefits is an upgrade from just claiming benefits?
No entiendo señor.
You're making some incompatible claims yourself. A couple of posts back it didn't matter to you that asylum seekers wanting to leave France to get to the UK would in fact make less money on UK benefits than they would on French benefits because what mattered was what they'd been told by the smugglers. But now when it comes to black market labour, we have to look at what they will earn in fact and not at what they're promised by the smugglers??
Asylum seekers are not a homogeneous group, y'know. There are vast differences in education, means, etc., among them.
Here was your point at the outset:
QuoteLook at the recent deaths in the English Channel. These people weren't fleeing a war torn or impoverished country. They were leaving France. The human traffickers had the UK built up as the land of plenty so much that they got into a vessel that wasn't designed to go more than 50 metres from shore to get there.
I'm countering the claims made here: Some of these people
were ultimately fleeing a war torn or impoverished situation. The first woman identified was an Iraqi Kurd. Know anything about the Kurds? Have a look: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/8/iranian-kurds-in-iraq-hopelessly-seek-asylum-un-assistance
You also make the claim that the
only reason these people wanted to go to the UK is because smugglers sold it as an El Dorado. This isn't true for all, at least some of those died were trying to rejoin family. Now, in your inhumane world, people shouldn't be allowed try to rejoin their family, and you're welcome to that world, but you will at least admit that it's got nothing whatsoever to do with "dole shopping."
"They were leaving France" - yes. If most of these people were coming from a middle east with historical colonial ties to Britain (i.e. Iran, Iraq, etc.) then it makes sense. Moreover, Iranians have a better chance of being granted asylum in the UK (79%) compared to France (30%) (you can get all these stats here: https://www.worlddata.info/refugees-by-country.php ).
So, to summarize, my point since the beginning has been that you're rattling off Tory tactic tabloid headlines which, when it comes to the question of immigration, are invariably bullshit. Clear?
I will never cease to be amazed by ordinary Irish people who swallow blatantly Tory tactics communicated through tabloid outlets. And you can keep your silly "communism" pokes too. My introduction to socialism was the history of the Easter Rising, through figures like Connolly, Larkin, and O'Brien. First time I ever heard of Marx it was because we were taught Connolly had read him. I wonder would you have been so easily swayed back then by the owner of the Indo using its pages to propagandize for Connolly's execution, supposedly over the Rising but really because of his union strike actions? "Ah sure, was it really so bad after all, being a colony??" says himself. :abbath:
That may seem an extreme place to bring the conversation, but let's remind ourselves who the current Tory Home Secretary, whose word you're telling us we should trust, really is:
https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/?utm_source=twitter_short
QuoteAS UK PRIME Minister Theresa May has just five days to try to rally support for her Brexit deal, [Priti Patel] has suggested using the possibility of food shortages in Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit to encourage the EU to drop the backstop.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 02, 2021, 03:12:51 PM
You're suggesting that having them work for pittance on top of claiming benefits is an upgrade from just claiming benefits?
No entiendo señor.
You're making some incompatible claims yourself. A couple of posts back it didn't matter to you that asylum seekers wanting to leave France to get to the UK would in fact make less money on UK benefits than they would on French benefits because what mattered was what they'd been told by the smugglers. But now when it comes to black market labour, we have to look at what they will earn in fact and not at what they're promised by the smugglers??
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I know you're deliberately misunderstanding that point. It was in response to you saying that French benefits were higher than in the UK. They believe they are and that's why they leave. Even you're not that dense.
You're again deliberately misunderstanding when it comes to black market labour. For one it us illegal and they shouldn't be doing it. Also it puts them in factories and construction sites that are unsafe. That was in response to you saying that they were going to the UK for jobs. If that's their incentive then they are taking the stinging piss out of the asylum system.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 02, 2021, 02:45:41 PM
Asylum seekers are not a homogeneous group, y'know. There are vast differences in education, means, etc., among them.
The education level for **most** of the countries of origin is significantly lower than the UK.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage
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Here was your point at the outset:
QuoteLook at the recent deaths in the English Channel. These people weren't fleeing a war torn or impoverished country. They were leaving France. The human traffickers had the UK built up as the land of plenty so much that they got into a vessel that wasn't designed to go more than 50 metres from shore to get there.
I'm countering the claims made here: Some of these people were ultimately fleeing a war torn or impoverished situation. The first woman identified was an Iraqi Kurd. Know anything about the Kurds? Have a look: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/8/iranian-kurds-in-iraq-hopelessly-seek-asylum-un-assistance
If you are in France and fleeing then you are fleeing France. Short of a crayon diagram with sock puppet aided narration I can't make that any simpler. I dated a Turkish Kurd on and off for six months. I heard plenty about the plight of the Kurds in that time.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 02, 2021, 03:12:51 PM
So, to summarize, my point since the beginning has been that you're rattling off Tory tactic tabloid headlines which, when it comes to the question of immigration, are invariably bullshit. Clear?
It is not the fault of other forum users that you're sexually frustrated. You don't have the first idea what I read so fuck off with that one. You self righteous little toad.
The quotes are a mess on that. I'll fix them when I get to my laptop.
You could be reading the FT for all I know, it doesn't matter. What matters is the language you're coming out with: "dole shoppers", "British benefits or bust." That is UKIP, Daily Mail, rich cunts dividing working class mugs among themselves language, pure and simple.
And don't stoop to Blackout's adolescent levels of imagining the sexual activity status of other people: it's fuckin' weird tbh.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 02, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
You could be reading the FT for all I know, it doesn't matter. What matters is the language you're coming out with: "dole shoppers", "British benefits or bust." That is UKIP, Daily Mail, rich cunts dividing working class mugs among themselves language, pure and simple.
And don't stoop to Blackout's adolescent levels of imagining the sexual activity status of other people: it's fuckin' weird tbh.
Men who are well catered for sexually don't spend all their time arguing on the internet. My missus has had covid for over a week and here I find myself. I'm not sure why these terms bother you so much. They perfectly illustrate what I was saying without the need for four lines of text.
Much as I'd like to spend the time I have to kill at work every day riding my missus, it's just not logistically possible!
You should try it when you go home at least. That full scrotal sack rage you suffer with daily will ease significantly.
Okay, so seems I was wrong to think you above such childishness. Way to completely discredit yourself, bravo.
I just try to help :-*
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 02, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
You could be reading the FT for all I know, it doesn't matter. What matters is the language you're coming out with: "dole shoppers", "British benefits or bust." That is UKIP, Daily Mail, rich cunts dividing working class mugs among themselves language, pure and simple.
And don't stoop to Blackout's adolescent levels of imagining the sexual activity status of other people: it's fuckin' weird tbh.
The only Adolescent levels in this forum are your double speak, condescending non-sensical rants. Time to go get that Autism diagnosis mate.
I used to tip a wan who was the Spanish equivalent of a public defender, she would be sent to the airport to represent asylum seekers. She said almost all of the cases she was involved in were spurious, or deemed to be so, and they would be ejected with minimum fuss.
She also said one lad bit his tongue off to avoid being given the heave-ho.
Chris, you have some stats here and there which are news to me, and may have merit. You do seem intent on closing your eyes and sticking your fingers in your ears when presented with the undeniable truth ; there are large numbers of piss-takers and chancers who see the way the wind is blowing (or was at least) and I don't blame them, I'd do the exact same thing to escape the shit boxes some of these lads are coming from.
But come on. You're messing now if you can't see the wood from the trees.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 02, 2021, 04:38:06 PM
She also said one lad bit his tongue off to avoid being given the heave-ho.
...there are large numbers of piss-takers and chancers who see the way the wind is blowing (or was at least) and I don't blame them, I'd do the exact same thing to escape the shit boxes some of these lads are coming from.
This is literally all I'm saying. When I hear about people risking their lives to cross the open sea in a saucer, my first reflection isn't to hate them, it is instantly to recognize that my life as a human being has, thanks be to the gods, never been as bad as to willingly put myself in that situation. I have the same reaction when it comes to the homeless. Some insist on saying they're just scroungers too, and maybe they are, but anyone who is willing to beg on the street for whatever they can get, especially in bad weather, that person to my eyes is, first and foremost, a human being in a much worse off state than I am. In both cases, it means I respond with compassion towards those people, not with resentment fueled by elites. This latest cunt who has declared his presidential candidacy here in France, Zemmour, in the 10 minute video where he made the announcement he directly said, "[Immigrants] are the reason you often have difficulty at the end of the month." The guy is a fucking millionaire. These people, like Patel and Bojo and so many others, are cunts, turning humans who have more in common with each other than with the elite against each other to serve their own cunt agenda.
And all that's needed to fight back is to try to put yourself in the other person's position and recognize that your life has never been bad enough to jump into a paddling pool to try and cross the open sea, knowing full well how many corpses are in there already.
Well. How are all the racists this fine morning?
How kind of you to aske!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv-GRWfHLD8
:abbath: :abbath:
Finally something worthwhile in this thread 8)
Hehe, nicely done BSC
Lewis Hamilton is tit. If you're not going to have the balls to boycott it, shut the fuck up about it.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/59511709
He's more concerned about points and personal glory than any professed principles. His BLM shtick is completely new and bandwagon-hopping of the most cynical type, because it's a cause celebre. Bear in mind that he drives for Mercedes, who are sponsored by Hugo Boss, both corporations with early ties to the Nazis, so how bothered is he really about human rights?
In a similar vein, check out this bullshit from the Danish FA...
Quote"We've also talked to migrant workers in Qatar and the message they've given us is 'please keep your focus on us, please do not boycott the World Cup"
Oh that's convenient isn't it?
The fact that's it's on there at all (World Cup in winter in a freedom hating country which treats its Gastarbeitern like shit? Fuck off) is further disgracing an already shambolic, corrupt organisation.
What's next, the All Ireland final in Jeddah?
Bit weak from the Danish FA alright, and yet still, embarrassingly, more than most have done/said.
It's like every so often you see headlines like, "Fans of X appeal with him not to perform at event in Riyadh" and then inside you see all the artists who are performing at it, and you ask yourself, "How many more reasons to want David Guetta to die in the most horrible way possible do I need??"
The WWE are among the worst, but also all the other disingenuous corporate social media departments. They ratchet up the rainbow flag or whatever the zeitgeist demands (the values of the car phone warehouse), but amusingly pretend like it's not happening when the Saudi/Chinese/Qatari Twitter handlers tweet out during gay pride.
It almost makes me want to reread Engels 'family, private property and the state' without having made up my mind before turning to page 1. Hateful, two faced spasticfannies.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 03, 2021, 04:58:04 PM
Bit weak from the Danish FA alright, and yet still, embarrassingly, more than most have done/said.
That's the thing though, it's all the more embarrassing for it's pretences towards taking some kind of pseudo-moralistic stance. I'd rather they said nothing, and we could just accept them for being the money grabbing cunts that make up all professional football bodies the world over. I mean, are we seriously supposed to buy that someone in the Danish FA consulted with migrant workers in Qatar?! Whom exactly did they consult with? One bloke? A group of them during lunch break? Did they send over some lad with a clipboard and a questionnaire? G'way to fuck. Clowns. And this is kind of what annoys me about the lads who take the knee before a Premiership match, because, you know, we can all get on board with BLM cos it's fairly high profile and all that, but really who cares about a bunch of Pakistani and Indian lads, sure aren't they great workers in the first place?!
I don't really know what's going on. I heard they're "working with Amnesty International", but who knows what that means. Stopping migrant workers on the streets of Dubai and asking them if they'd be interested in pledging just €2 a month??
The knee taking in football was just pathetic. The problem is, they aren't sure how to phase it out.
How anyone takes any of it at face value is bewildering.
Yeah, not sure what exactly annoys me about this stuff the most. I mean, sure there's a bit of begrudgery involved...these lads get paid huge money to kick a football around a pitch a few times a week. Yes, they're in the top percentage of their profession and they're elite athletes, no doubt about it, but when you have the likes of Marcus Rashford banging on about school dinners and whatnot, while taking in about 200k a week, it all rings a bit hollow. For what it's worth, I'm in agreement with Caoimhin here, the Qatar World Cup is a fucking disgrace. Will I tune in? Maybe, maybe not. Should it be boycotted? Absolutely. Same shit with Lewis Hamilton. The lad's net worth is in excess of 300 million, and he's in the latter stage of his career, so he can definitely afford to sit out whatever competition he chooses without fear of any major adverse effect to his career.
Seize their possessions, then gulag!
Quote from: John Kimble on December 03, 2021, 07:32:09 PM
so he can definitely afford to sit out whatever competition he chooses without fear of any major adverse effect to his career.
If he was to sit out this weekend, that utter cunt Wolff would simply order Bottas to wreck Verstappen at all costs.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 03, 2021, 06:14:52 PM
The knee taking in football was just pathetic. The problem is, they aren't sure how to phase it out.
How anyone takes any of it at face value is bewildering.
I'd nothing against this at the start but it's lost any and all value at this stage. Fair play to Zaha for recognising it.
What's his name, that fuckin' eejit who faked the hate crime went on trial this week. CNN with a surprisingly (kind of) balanced account of it.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/02/us/jussie-smollett-trial/index.html
What an absolute goon.
As regards the football, you can see a lot of the players are just sick and tired of going through the motions. I was wrong about how fans would react, I thought they'd boo the arse clean out of it, but most didn't. It's just a sigh and a glance at the watch now.
What they didn't take into account are the inevitable questions if and when they stop. I hated it from the start (sure no surprises there wha'), especially considering it's a copy and paste of that odious piece of shit Colin Kapaernick whinging over beyond. I mean, when it ceases, does that mean the 'problem' is solved? Or will they just have 'made their point'? It will take some serious balls to make that call at this stage.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 03, 2021, 05:05:45 PM
The WWE are among the worst, but also all the other disingenuous corporate social media departments. They ratchet up the rainbow flag or whatever the zeitgeist demands (the values of the car phone warehouse), but amusingly pretend like it's not happening when the Saudi/Chinese/Qatari Twitter handlers tweet out during gay pride.
It almost makes me want to reread Engels 'family, private property and the state' without having made up my mind before turning to page 1. Hateful, two faced spasticfannies.
Yeah, Vince and Co have no morals. They never really did though. Can you remember the shameless displays of love for the US military during the first Iraq War?
It's weird the reverence they have over there for any mope in a uniform.
The young lad loves watching old school Stone Cold Steve Austin clips on YouTube. Can't say I complain :)
You mean you make the young lad watch them ::)
Loved Austin when I was a kid.
Ah yeah, some of that attitude era stuff was gold. Still in order to work in pro wrestling you must have some rare medical condition that targets the part of your brain that feels shame.
Quote from: Blackout on December 03, 2021, 10:18:11 PM
You mean you make the young lad watch them ::)
Loved Austin when I was a kid.
Spot on 😂😂
Quote from: hellfire on December 03, 2021, 10:18:38 PM
Ah yeah, some of that attitude era stuff was gold. Still in order to work in pro wrestling you must have some rare medical condition that targets the part of your brain that feels shame.
That rare medical condition is commonly known as cash.
https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8
Great bit of comedy history, woe betide anyone making a video like this in 2021!
Just add a laughter track to any video of Candace Owens talking!
She is as ignorant as they come. If the boyz want a token black person on the team, there are far more coherent and intelligent examples out there!
This Nancy Reagan giving the best head in Hollywood back in the day story is, by all accounts, amazing.
Haha, unbelievable
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/prince-harry-meghan-markle-children-b1881705.html?amp
Quality. Surely just nuns should win that award every year, no? If not serial killers who target kids, of course.
I've only got one. Where's my award??
QuidditchUK wants to be renamed following JK Rowling comments on gender identity
https://www.sundayworld.com/showbiz/celebrity/quidditchuk-wants-to-be-renamed-following-jk-rowling-comments-on-gender-identity-41167562.html
Not really arsed about getting into a conversation about gender identity etc but c'mon folks, a bunch of adults pissing about a field with a broomstick between their legs, based on a made-up sport from a kids fantasy series. Get a fucking grip.
Change the name then ye pack of fannies, nobody gives a shit.
Pure attention seeking.
Change the name to IdiotsUK.
Now that's what I call virtue signaling.
One year on. Lest we forget....
https://www.facebook.com/events/st-brigids-church-blanchardstown/1-year-since-garda%C3%AD-killed-george-nkencho-candlelit-walk-to-say-never-again/1249573448896099/
Damn feds, needs to be defunded.... :abbath:
Sinn Féin really Has turned to shite...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ogra_SF/status/1475997530454376451
I'd nearly go home and vote for the fuckers if they'd steer clear of the post modernist pish. They won't though, spastics.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 30, 2021, 09:06:15 AM
Sinn Féin really Has turned to shite...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ogra_SF/status/1475997530454376451
I don't even get what the problem with this is *supposed* to be. It's a famous quote from Desmond Tutu who just died.
Ye seem oblivious to the strong links of Irish republican movements with anti-apartheid movements since the 1970's (both political and armed). So quoting a common phrase largely linked to Desmond Tutu is obviously not a new direction at all.
Looking at the "pure bloods" replying to that post I'm sure there won't be any crocodile tears from SF "losing" votes from your ilk!
The claim of links between Irish Republicans and the ANC in a military sense are very tenuous, unlike the apartheid government supplying loyalists with weapons indirectly.
Cringeworthy social media quoting of Bishop Tutu aside, SF would be best served swerving the bullshit that is rotting the arsehole clean out of the left in other places. It's their time, or it soon will be, so I hope they get their opportunity and just get on with it.
It's an anti-empire statement, how is that a mismatch with SF politics??
I said the silly virtue signalling quotations on social media aside. It's toe-curling, intensely embarrassing when anyone does it.
The bullshit I'm referring to is racialising everything, 'diversity', the gender obsession etc etc.
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 30, 2021, 12:32:35 PM
I said the silly virtue signalling quotations on social media aside. It's toe-curling, intensely embarrassing when anyone does it.
A quote from a world famous activist for emancipation is now "virtue-signalling"? Utter nonsense; pure reflex, zero reflection.
Jaysus, it's handier toilet training a particularly stupid cat than dealing with you and your nippy comments.
Yes, it's embarrassing when anybody posts an 'inspiring' quotation (with a side dish of cringey picture as an optional extra) on social media, regardless of whether Desmond Twobob or anyone else is the source of it.
The content thereof, or whether or not it's inline with the zeitgeist is irrelevant. I'd say the same if it were a Dr Peterson or David Goggins quote.
Of course, this is simply my take, such as it is.
Speaking of cringe...
'Pure reflex, zero reflection'
Fuckin' hell 😂
Surely making a comment like that reddens your cheeks somewhat?
Face it lads, you're all as racist and narrow-minded as each other. Thankfully though, Kerrang has compiled a handy list of righteous bands to set you on the path to enlightenment in 2022. Remember, genres are self-limiting and therefore, by their nature, racist.
https://www.kerrang.com/the-sound-of-2022-the-new-artists-reshaping-rock-music
Leave the hall!
Kerrang have been barred from the hall for nigh on 25 years!
That's a handy list of acts to avoid.
Never heard of any of them. A few of the pictures, let alone the blurbs, ring enough alarm bells.
QuoteManchester "doom-punks" Witch Fever are not the type to mince their words. 'I want my sanity, see, and not your dick!' raged vocalist Amy Walpole with ear-catching conviction all the way back on 2017's Carpet Asphyxiation.
I'm sold
Quote from: John Kimble on December 30, 2021, 04:11:26 PM
Face it lads, you're all as racist and narrow-minded as each other. Thankfully though, Kerrang has compiled a handy list of righteous bands to set you on the path to enlightenment in 2022. Remember, genres are self-limiting and therefore, by their nature, racist.
https://www.kerrang.com/the-sound-of-2022-the-new-artists-reshaping-rock-music
Didn't realise there was a son's of Slipknot band, your man sounds a lot like the father at times!
The Guardian :laugh:
Pathetic if true.
Nonetheless, strange choice for 'person of the year', what has she done recently only gotten into rucks on the internet like a billion other fuckin' eejits (myself included).
I wonder where Kyle Rittenhouse ranked...
Kerrang is still going?
More Doctors, Scientists and Engineers arrive to put even more of a squeeze on our 'housing crisis'...
https://mobile.twitter.com/orlaredchan/status/1329458038563082251
Tony Blair got a Knighthood? Mr 'I can't apologise for getting rid of Saddam' slimy bastard. They'll give one to anyone these days if that contemptible reptile gets one.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 04, 2022, 07:06:15 AM
More Doctors, Scientists and Engineers arrive to put even more of a squeeze on our 'housing crisis'...
https://mobile.twitter.com/orlaredchan/status/1329458038563082251
"it has been alleged by a purported eye-witness" :laugh:
And then this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/orlaredchan/status/1329479560828760064
"Further update: The TUI flight last week from Beirut to Dublin is purported to have been returning soldiers."
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Not to mention, the entire story is from 2020, you absolute goon.
Get ta fuck!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I know... :laugh:
But all those little blue tents dotted around our cities, towns and villages will paint a different story.
Who's living in those..?
I took my Mrs on a walk out to one of the local lakes in my home town (pop. 6000) and we happened across an encampment of 4 tents in amongst the adjacent forest. I got talking to one of the men and he said he's hoping to get sorted for accommodation in February. Imagine being handed a tent and being told "We'll get you somewhere by the end of winter. Please don't die of hypothermia in the meantime"....
Absolute bolloxology. The town is crawling with Roma, Middle Eastern and Africans though. All housed too...
How are Syrians still flooding into Europe? The war ended 3 years ago . Shouldn't they be rebuilding their own country..?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 04, 2022, 09:10:39 AM
Tony Blair got a Knighthood? Mr 'I can't apologise for getting rid of Saddam' slimy bastard. They'll give one to anyone these days if that contemptible reptile gets one.
As a historian I know slyly remarked, "Historically, most knights were probably war criminals, so don't really see the issue." :laugh:
Probably did the auld butchery afterwards though. Henry XIII was by all accounts a pious, gentle idealist upon getting the garter. Didn't last, of course.
This other prick gets it after the fact!
Regarding the immigration situation, I'm not a fan, obviously, but I'd do the exact same thing if I were in their shoes, without a minutes hesitation.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 04, 2022, 11:24:32 AM
Probably did the auld butchery afterwards though. Henry XIII was by all accounts a pious, gentle idealist upon getting the garter. Didn't last, of course.
This other prick gets it after the fact!
I think he was probably referring to the Crusades.
Wake up Western man...
:abbath:
Apparently J.K. Rowling is an antisemite now according to (checks notes)... oh, Jon Stewart. Never mind...
https://www.ign.com/articles/jon-stewart-accuses-jk-rowling-of-antisemitism-over-harry-potters-goblins
Oh FFS.
Quote from: Carnage on January 05, 2022, 07:03:55 PM
Apparently J.K. Rowling is an antisemite now according to (checks notes)... oh, Jon Stewart. Never mind...
https://www.ign.com/articles/jon-stewart-accuses-jk-rowling-of-antisemitism-over-harry-potters-goblins
Ah lads 😂
Jews being good with money, whether it's true or not, always struck me as one of the less harmful stereotypes.
I heard a feminist once object to the expression 'Asian privilege' whilst acknowledging their greater wealth, less frequent victimhood, best educated status in the US, as they suffer from a different kind of prejudice. 😂😂
'Hey you, Mr Successful, fuck you'!
Feminism: like making a sammich for your husband is more enslaving than devoting 50 hours of your life per week to your boss/company.
You go giiiirrrls...
And now, of course, Stoo-art is backpedalling (update in above link). Claiming it was a bit of craic with the lads, it's very clearly not. Twat.
Apparently the guy who oversaw the design of the goblins for the film is Jewish.
Although, seriously Kev?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 05, 2022, 07:50:54 PM
Jews being good with money, whether it's true or not, always struck me as one of the less harmful stereotypes.
For someone who's into history, you really should know why this is a very ignorant thing to say. This stereotype specifically was the linchpin of Ford's antisemitism, of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, of Hitler's antisemitism in Mein Kampf, back to Shylock and other literary portrayals. It was literally used to justify the very worst atrocities committed against them in modern history.
More accurately, they were just exiled or killed to avoid paying them back (to put it unscholarly). Kings of England and Spain did in the Middle Ages and made no bones about it.
The same stereotype/joke, I mean the tightarse (more often than not a word flung around by the financially irresponsible)one, is used (at least by older generations at home) about the Scots or here with the Catalans. The Scottish one is probably based on assumed traits of Calvinists, and the Catalans on jealousy from less traditionally prosperous parts of Spain. Either way, it's a covetous mans slur, and I'd certainly prefer it as our national sneer instead of a drunken simian or as Frank Zappa looking carbombers.
I don't mean the historical reasons they generally took up the professions they did, and the consequences of such that you have correctly listed above.
The money lender stereotype does have some historical basis, but this is due to the fact that in most places with any sort of Jewish population antisemitism was so strong that they were ostracized from the normal economy (buying and selling) that 'money lending' for lack a better term was one of the few options left for them
Sorryy if any of this has been mentioned earlier
Yes, that's the long and short of it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2022, 02:29:48 AM
Yes, that's the long and short of it.
Wuz dis wat u wer tinkin boss?
This is the thing about political comedy; it's so utterly predictably and unfunny. This is the right wing equivalent of a Donald Trump joke, only far older and so much less funny than even that low standard.
Looks like JK Rowling is having every colour of shit flung at her now. Not only is she an evil transphobe (has there ever been a more meaningless epiteth?), she's now NOT an antisemite- just give her a gentle, oblique swipe with that brush too sure! Fucked up carry on from the relentlessly virtuous brigade.
Delete Twitter and count your money, sweetheart. A ideology crazed hive-mind mob's irrational screeching should just be read once, with a smile and a rueful shake of the head and a quaff of that 7k bottlín of wine :)
If i was as rich her I wouldn't give a fuck what anyone called me. And Twitter is the cesspit of humanity.
Holy shit, yeah, just had a look there and it certainly is a clusterfuck. Jon Stewart should be publicly flagellating himself if he genuinely hopes to backpedal on what was an extraordinarily stupid and irresponsible thing to say. Though, that said I happen to be watching the series at the moment with the little lad, and it did strike me as a bit on the nose too. But then I had a look and found out, as I posted above, that the head of the studio that designed the bank goblins was Jewish, so then I had to say to myself, well, okay, that's me projecting stereotypes, not the other way round. I'm sure everyone on Twitter will eventually also arrive to a similar sober conclusion lololololololol :abbath: :abbath:
I'm not on Twitter. It looks like a cesspool to be sure. My phone gives me random 'news' updates about JK being worse than Hitler and Bruce Dickenson for some reason having to have an opinion on a male swan or some such bilge.
Edit. That joke would have been better if I hadn't confused a swan and a duck. MC Cob indahouse, yo.
What's happening to JK Rowling is utterly disgusting.
It's nothing more than mob mentality bullshit. Once someone is deemed beyond the pale these ravenous scumbags tear out of the wings, all guns blazing, to show what wonderful people they are by bullying that person and doing their best to destroy their career and reputation. Imagine how self deluded you'd have to be not to see the hypocrisy in such behaviour.
As our dear Dark Stranger used to say, 'all social media is gay, gentlemen'.
He subsequently became a total Facebook whore but that original point stands.
Where is the boul Toenail these days? Shame he didn't bounce over to this forum.
Twitter is indeed a nasty place, one of the worst of the social media sites.
It's definitely not the place to take reasonable and mature debates and discussions. But then again, where is?
Couldn't be dealing with Twitter myself. Enough retardation funnels through without it.
Including, Sinead O'Connor coming out with a tweet (ugh) about her son whose body was just found in Bray. Do she really need to hit Twitter?
It's the way the world is. Social media is like an extension of a limb it seems. I do feel its odd people announcing someone died that morning when it's only 11am. What about making sure all the relatives and close friends know first.
I fear for the day when the norm is people finding out their parents have died via Facebook or Twitter
Kamala Harris comparing January 6th (a fucking non-event by comparison ) to the attack on Pearl Harbour and 9/11!
All day coverage all across the American mainstream media channels. January 6th 'commemoration'.Ha ha ha, so fucking ridiculous.
That reminds me, is Jon Shaffer still locked up and iced earth on....erm.. ice?
Peedohship being attacked. Top bloke armed with a hammer.... :abbath:
https://www.artlyst.com/news/protester-attacks-eric-gill-statue-bbc-broadcasting-house/
Death to all peedohs... :abbath:
About as worthwhile an act as banning Burzum records.
Don't tell me Varg is a peedoh too..??? :-X
Diversity strikes again...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40783980.html
Exactly what I was predicting you to post. Pathetic as usual. As if Irish men never killed women before.
I'm just surprised you didn't link the 27 year old soccer player who died in a car crash the other day to vaccines.
Quote from: Snare on January 13, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Exactly what I was predicting you to post. Pathetic as usual. As if Irish men never killed women before.
I'm just surprised you didn't link the 27 year old soccer player who died in a car crash the other day to vaccines.
He's the main reason a lot of people just don't bother posting in the off topic section anymore. He's ruined the fucking place and the sooner he'd just fuck off or stop posting homophobic/racist/nonsense the better.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 13, 2022, 09:48:18 AM
Diversity strikes again...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40783980.html
Turning the tragic death of a young woman into a pathetic and petty political poke.
Have you ever done a psychopathy test KC? You display a number of classic signs, not least of which the sheer brazenness of the display.
Which in turn leads to femtards posting this shite....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 13, 2022, 11:26:32 AM
Which in turn leads to femtards posting this shite....
It's not fucking shite. It's a genuine issue. Another one to add to your list of pathetic posts.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 13, 2022, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Snare on January 13, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Exactly what I was predicting you to post. Pathetic as usual. As if Irish men never killed women before.
I'm just surprised you didn't link the 27 year old soccer player who died in a car crash the other day to vaccines.
He's the main reason a lot of people just don't bother posting in the off topic section anymore. He's ruined the fucking place and the sooner he'd just fuck off or stop posting homophobic/racist/nonsense the better.
This. I know the place wanted to be as light as possible on the moderation, but I'm pretty sure everyone would be on board with unleashing the banhammer given the constant bollocks
Quote from: Trev on January 13, 2022, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 13, 2022, 11:05:17 AM
Quote from: Snare on January 13, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Exactly what I was predicting you to post. Pathetic as usual. As if Irish men never killed women before.
I'm just surprised you didn't link the 27 year old soccer player who died in a car crash the other day to vaccines.
He's the main reason a lot of people just don't bother posting in the off topic section anymore. He's ruined the fucking place and the sooner he'd just fuck off or stop posting homophobic/racist/nonsense the better.
This. I know the place wanted to be as light as possible on the moderation, but I'm pretty sure everyone would be on board with unleashing the banhammer given the constant bollocks
Definitely. The off topic section and this thread in particular is absolutely fucking septic.
Heavy metal fans calling for censorship...........the world really is gone fucking mad!
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on January 13, 2022, 02:44:27 PM
Heavy metal fans calling for censorship...........the world really is gone fucking mad!
Heavy metal fans calling for an end to utter drivel being spouted constantly
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on January 13, 2022, 02:44:27 PM
Heavy metal fans calling for censorship...........the world really is gone fucking mad!
Bollocks. Plenty of people with totally different outlooks discuss a wide range of issues on here without posting racist/sexist/homophobic and utter drivel 20 times a day. He's ruined the off topic section by himself.
Aye, not sure posts about paedos will lead to much interesting discussion to be fair.
Needs to be reined in alright. Things were just going smoothly lately and it's gotten ridiculous again.
Horrible tragedy but as usual the media will hop on the "all men are bastards" bandwagon as it gets clicks. The usual nefarious man haters will use this horrific tragedy for their own hateful stick to beat any man with.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 13, 2022, 09:48:18 AM
Diversity strikes again...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40783980.html
Romanian guy has been released and eliminated as a suspect...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40784979.html
Mad. Thought it was an open and shut case. A lot of fuckers are gonna regret their posts on social media. Hahahaha.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 13, 2022, 11:17:39 PM
Mad. Thought it was an open and shut case. A lot of fuckers are gonna regret their posts on social media. Hahahaha.
Sure he's only a big evil man. They're all the same sure...
Seems like it's just you who's saying that chief
Quote from: boozegeune on January 14, 2022, 09:04:57 AM
Seems like it's just you who's saying that chief
Listen to the media chief.
The Op-Ed's are doing the inevitable bleating but sure that's only opinion and I almost never read that shit, regardless of the issue. What 'they' expect 'men' to do (men have to 'stand up', whatever that means) as a group is a mystery.
Nevertheless, fucking sickening a young girl like that only out for a run. Hope they catch the prick.
Awful story but ya, what can "men" really do? Not meaning that in a dismissive way either. Can you educate a psycho not to be a psycho?
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 14, 2022, 10:53:01 AM
Awful story but ya, what can "men" really do? Not meaning that in a dismissive way either. Can you educate a psycho not to be a psycho?
Nail on the head.
Quote from: Blackout on January 14, 2022, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: boozegeune on January 14, 2022, 09:04:57 AM
Seems like it's just you who's saying that chief
Listen to the media chief.
Oh, poor you Blackout, poor, poor you. Let's all stop thinking about the tragic murder of an innocent youth and set our attention where it's needed: Blackout's fragile ego.
Maybe they shouldn't be, but some women live in more or less constant fear, when out alone, of assault. It's only natural, in the wake of an attack like this, that those fears will burst through the surface. What are you afraid of Blackout? Being called a bastard because you're a man? Poor you. Poor, poor you.
Haven't seen any media call all men evil bastards, but some people are just desperate to be martyrs I suppose.
Horrible that the guy is still out and about. Kept thinking about the woman's pupils in the school too. They are old enough to know that she didn't just die, she was killed by someone an hour after school just down the road, for no reason, because this just happens from time to time, and he's still out there. Must be terrifying for them.
Quote from: boozegeune on January 14, 2022, 11:37:18 AM
Haven't seen any media call all men evil bastards, but some people are just desperate to be martyrs I suppose.
I only read the independent this morning and there was none of that, just the men need to step up to the plate shtick which I suppose is harmless enough, even though it's a fools labour.
Yeah the young lads, what must go through their heads. My young lad is a bit older than that even and sure he wouldn't comprehend it all let alone 6 year olds.
Quote from: boozegeune on January 14, 2022, 11:37:18 AM
Haven't seen any media call all men evil bastards, but some people are just desperate to be martyrs I suppose.
I listened to newtalk, read Twitter and read it on my own Facebook feed. The gist is "men" need to do better.
Nothing to do with being a martyr you clown.
You're still making this entire story all about your relatively petty grievance. Not very masculine.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 14, 2022, 01:22:02 PM
You're still making this entire story all about your relatively petty grievance. Not very masculine.
It took you long enough to show up. I'm not the only one who is fed up of the "man do something bad therefore All Men need to do better" crap. The usual groups including idiots like yourself use it as a stick to beat with.
Btw how is the original suspect who got his face plastered everywhere. Wonder if hes still getting death threats.
Quote from: Blackout on January 14, 2022, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: boozegeune on January 14, 2022, 11:37:18 AM
Haven't seen any media call all men evil bastards, but some people are just desperate to be martyrs I suppose.
I listened to newtalk, read Twitter and read it on my own Facebook feed. The gist is "men" need to do better.
Nothing to do with being a martyr you clown.
Ya, I heard the same on Newstalk. Elena Bacic at least came on saying things like more CCTV is required in places and yer wan presenting was vocally surprised she went with that angle rather than the Men need to do better line. Loads of comments on the Journal are very much in the vein of the latter too. It all rings fairly hollow to me.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/man-released-in-offaly-murder-probe-has-had-life-ruined-says-solicitor-1242442.html
Sure who cares.
Oh, you must have missed my first reply Blackout. Can't be having that:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 14, 2022, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: Blackout on January 14, 2022, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: boozegeune on January 14, 2022, 09:04:57 AM
Seems like it's just you who's saying that chief
Listen to the media chief.
Oh, poor you Blackout, poor, poor you. Let's all stop thinking about the tragic murder of an innocent youth and set our attention where it's needed: Blackout's fragile ego.
Maybe they shouldn't be, but some women live in more or less constant fear, when out alone, of assault. It's only natural, in the wake of an attack like this, that those fears will burst through the surface. What are you afraid of Blackout? Being called a bastard because you're a man? Poor you. Poor, poor you.
And we all care about the man who was falsely accused: that's why we jumped on KC's putrid instrumentalization
before it even turned out that it wasn't that guy.
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If you think that, on the whole and justifiably, women don't live in more fear of physical attack when out alone than men, you're living in a persecution fantasy land with zero understanding of women. Try having a real conversation with one some time.
Why people are getting so defensive about man-blaming is beyond me. So what if people or commentators blame men? Big fucking deal. It seems non-PC people would rather be part of the perpetually offended brigade.
Also mad that right leaning people complaining about trial by media before were the first to jump on a foreign national SUSPECT! ::)
Anyway I hope the Gardaí haven't lost valuable time by zoning in on "their man" the first evening, when the culprit may have been able to make the most of the free time. :-X
Ya, it seems like a very Irish investigation so far.
But, for the sake of saying it, the dude that was questioned is a foreign national with 50 convictions and on bail for an assault on a woman, if I'm not mistaken. In the bin with that cunt anyway.
Wouldn't believe any of it without solid, solid, hard proof, not after George Nkencho and the nice list he had invented for him by cunts. What was it again? Over 10,000 previous charges for violent behavior, including 390 for dismembering women with a machete?
I could understand people thinking it was game, set and match given yer man's record, it's human nature. Sounded like a cartoon villain with the 'he chose to sleep' bit in the independent.
Sticks in me craw a bit to say it, but Chris is absolutely correct about their being no comparison for a woman being out alone. I hate feminism and white knighting and all that shite, but even the bollocks women put up with verbally from fuckin' eejits on the street is terrifying to a lone woman.
Writing dumb, obvious shit in opinion sections of newspapers will do nothing, nothing at all, though.
Granted that there is no proof to the claims made against your man. I'm usually not as reactionary.
Ya, I don't think any of this will stop a mouthy, sexist prick being just that or a bad cunt being the same so in that regard it does seem like people are shouting into emptiness, but I have no incline towards an alternative solution.
Ya all the awareness or campaigns or calling out won't stop a sexist or psychopath from being what they are. Now one good thing is in the last few years men are more willing to call out other men on their behaviour which is a step in the right direction. But for the likes that murdered yer one nothing would stop cunts like that.
Was there any sexual angle to the attack or was she just beaten to death for the sake of it? I wonder what the attacker's motivation was. Was it someone who knew her or an angry ex or something like that?
Read that the theory is that she didn't know her attacker.
So bizarre. Maybe just some mad cunt off his meds and having an episode... Hopefully they find the fucker.
From the Irish Times they reported strangulation as the cause of death.
Interesting to see how they get on with interviewing the new person of interest they found in hospital, and why they ended up there.
Heart breaking to see the family at the vigil tonight, and reading of the dad playing banjo while Sweet Sixteen was sang (Aisling's favourite song). Powerful stuff at the best of times.
Eric Zammour convicted again for hate speech.
I wish he'd shut the fuck up about France 'protecting' Jews in World War Two (pure bullshit). Puts a stinky aftershave on everything else he says.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60022996
Yeah, without that WW2 stuff, when he said he identifies more with a certain French general (who, among other things, famously suffocated women and children in caves in Algeria) than with Algerians, despite his roots being Algerian... why, had he just not said that bullshit about Pétain and the Jews, that would have smelt positively rosy!
He's a total spa.
https://twitter.com/softwarnet/status/1483091855847788544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1483091855847788544%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.complex.com%2Fsports%2Fvideo-chinese-basketball-fans-racial-slurs-ex-nba-player-sonny-weems
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 20, 2022, 11:02:52 AM
Yeah, without that WW2 stuff, when he said he identifies more with a certain French general (who, among other things, famously suffocated women and children in caves in Algeria) than with Algerians, despite his roots being Algerian... why, had he just not said that bullshit about Pétain and the Jews, that would have smelt positively rosy!
Well I've only heard him talking about Vichy France (french learning), but identifying with all kinds of 'generals' among others (Che Guevara, Yuri Zhukov, Franjo Tudjman, George Patton, even my own affection for the Marquis of Montrose) will leave a bang of shit off half the world!
But yeah, he's not likeable at all. Free speech etc but watch what you say in public ya clown.
According to The Capital or whatever it's french equivalent is, he has more backing than Le Pen. The French right is doing a leftish move and succumbing to internecine rivalry.
They will not win in 2022, regardless of what many Frog pundits are saying.
He's a total spa.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 20, 2022, 11:47:12 AM
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That won't make the headlines to any great degree because it's chinamen abusing them, not WASPs in biker outfits.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 20, 2022, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on January 20, 2022, 11:47:12 AM
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That won't make the headlines to any great degree because it's chinamen abusing them, not WASPs in biker outfits.
CNN did a small piece on it more so to try and save a sinking ship then anything else. Yes I agree if that happened in a Western country it would be front page news for the next few weeks and the people in the video would be hunted down and exposed.
Weird that, how stories that happen in a country get more reported in that country. Why aren't RTE reporting extensively on this verbal racial abuse in China of an American basketball player who perhaps 0.5% of the Irish population have ever heard of?? And it seems to me that almost every single day I see random criminal acts that happened in France reported on in the French media but not by the BBC. Really makes you wonder, doesn't it?
You're overlooking the racial make-up of the shouters, which is not irrelevant.
That black lad who drove his car into and killed a load of white grannies and children, it was being reported as if the car had a mind of it's own by the American media.
If you think that all racism is equal where the media is concerned, you are either disingenuous or hopelessly naive.
But sure you know that yourself.
No, I just couldn't give a shit. Trying to play gotcha to mainstream media over some micro story you unearthed (even while simultaneously admitting defeat since CNN and Fox and Yahoo have actually covered it) is just pretty fucking YAWN at this point. I can't think of a single time someone on social media has posted a "YOU WON'T SEE THIS REPORTED IN THE MSM!" story where mainstream media actually hadn't reported on it.
I didn't say never, I said not to any great degree. Even the Yahoos at the news desk are savvy enough to 'mention' it but sure you know that.
Someone else posted the video above, I hadn't seen it before, therefore I hardly 'unearthed' it. Sure it's only a load of lads lined up shouting nigger nigger get out of China at black lads getting off a bus, it's a micro story, sure no big deal, YAWN :)
I do know how to follow a discussion on a forum Kev, a little too well probably, so I wasn't talking about *you* unearthing it ;)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 20, 2022, 06:04:18 PM
Sure it's only a load of lads lined up shouting nigger nigger get out of China at black lads getting off a bus, it's a micro story, sure no big deal, YAWN :)
It's a micro story because the sad reality is that there's nothing more common than stories like this. Only a tiny fraction of them can be reported on. But hey, look, it's in Vice now. Vice!
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp389/chinese-basketball-black-n-word
Gavin McInnes must have a serious dose seeing what he created go the way it has.
A German lad I play five a side soccer with called me a fucking Irish son of a bitch (sounds harsher in Spanish) and various other German insults because I blocked him three times in a row and made him look like a fucking prick. Nobody took umbrage so you're right about the underreporting.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 20, 2022, 06:22:24 PM
A German lad I play five a side soccer with called me a fucking Irish son of a bitch (sounds harsher in Spanish) and various other German insults because I blocked him three times in a row and made him look like a fucking prick. Nobody took umbrage so you're right about the underreporting.
"¡Hijo de la gran puta irlandesa!"? :D
Hijo de la gran puta. Amazing insult. It's an interesting topic in its own right, the various ways of saying rude words in different languages and you've seen for yourself, swear words are so common in Spain that even the gravest insult rarely raises an eyebrow.
'Me cago en la puta'. I shit on the whore. That's how you day FFS in Madrid.
A Belgian lad said (I think) 'connard', not to me, but it didn't have the same ring.
My father-in-law only says the polite form, "me cago en diez!" But he says it roughly 50 times a day, I guess to compensate?
"Fils de pute" carries much more weight in French than its Spanish equivalent, and yeah, "connard" would be the closer equivalent in terms of usage. It resonates pretty strong, evoking both "con" (cunt/stupid) and "cornard" (cuck), rolling them together into a pretty strong form of "dickhead".
Warhead should chime in here, Serbo-Croat has an unbelievably rich tapestry of insults. Amazingly creative shit aswell.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 21, 2022, 12:34:52 PM
Warhead should chime in here, Serbo-Croat has an unbelievably rich tapestry of insults. Amazingly creative shit aswell.
The problem is Croatian/Serbian insults are simply impossible to translate. have to admit Serbians are having much richer vocabulary when it comes to cursing/insults, they crack me up every time :)
My fave is a simple one, the one we use as a what's up, or good morning, or in any situation basically .....it is Jebo te bog, or jebem ti boga. Roughly translated, it would be something like, God fuck you, or I'll fuck your god.
You use it in a way, let's say, you meet someone on the street, you'd say, hey, what's up, I'll fuck your god. Or, if you're eating a hot soup, you'll say, whow, the soup is hot, I'll fuck your god.
I liked that one Jebem ti krva (excuse spelling and grammar), I'll fuck your blood.
All the animal ones too, amazing.
This is as true a depiction of the Serbs I've ever seen.
https://youtu.be/RP2u4wJcnS0
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 21, 2022, 06:29:04 PM
I liked that one Jebem ti krva (excuse spelling and grammar), I'll fuck your blood.
All the animal ones too, amazing.
This is as true a depiction of the Serbs I've ever seen.
https://youtu.be/RP2u4wJcnS0
Yup, that is quite close :)
Ha ha ha
https://uw-s3-cdn.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/98/2021/12/14171207/UMAC-Equitable-Language-Guide-v.6.pdf
Peter Dinklage complaining that Snow White's depiction of dwarfs is offensive.
Sounds like he's auditioning for the role of Grumpy.
The Spotify/Rogan/Young thing* seems to be gaining traction, the list of artists pulling out now includes Young, Mitchell, Willie Nelson, Bruce Springsteen, Dave Grohl, Barbara Streisand, Pearl Jam, Queen, The Rolling Stones and Paul McCartney.
*thought I'd post it here as it seeems to suit this thread more than the apocalypse one.
Are these all verified? There was a lot of random musician naming over the last couple of days. But if genuine, maybe they saying they're pulling out now because a solution has already been proposed so they can instantly both change their mind and congratulate themselves? :abbath:
Where dya pull those names out of? Can't find that anywhere.
I read it in a story on Google news feed that (of course) I now can't find but after searching for it just now, it seems to be rumour based on Pearl Jam fans calling on them to leave. So, disregard - apologies.
So far only Young, Mitchell and apparently Nils Lofgren have definitely left, with the latter making a plea for others to cut ties with Spotify.
According to Tom Dunne on the radio James Blunt threatened to release more music on Spotify if they don't cancel Rogans podcast :laugh:.
In fairness to yer man Blunt he's a funny cunt.
Neil 'righteous' Young.... :laugh:
Regarding Neil Young: He's on Reprise Records, owned by Warner Music, which is owned by Vanguard & Blackrock, who own most of Pfizer. He also just sold about half his catalog to Hipgnosis Song Management which is owned by the Blackstone Group, which just so happened to very recently acquire a company called GeneDX, a genetic testing company seeking to "personalize medicine." Hipgnosis is buying up music from lots of popular artists to "help" them offset their losses due to Covid policies. This is why a bunch of old hippies are going after Joe Rogan, and most likely why musicians who have previously sold themselves as anti-establishment are shilling for the vax. None of these sellout musicians are actually voicing their own opinions. It's the old fairytale of the guy who sells his soul to the devil for fame and money, and life is great til the devil comes to collect.... :abbath:
Christ almighty, Whoopi Goldberg is an imbecile.
One of the stupidest comments I've heard.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60209527
:laugh:
Oh my. That's some proper leave your brain at the door stuff.
Old Whoopi won't face the banhammer though.
I sometimes think all they're taught about WWII in school over there is that USA! USA! USA! won.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on February 01, 2022, 02:21:57 AM
According to Tom Dunne on the radio James Blunt threatened to release more music on Spotify if they don't cancel Rogans podcast :laugh:.
In fairness to yer man Blunt he's a funny cunt.
Yeah, he's certainly in on the joke and doesn't take himself too seriously.
Has Whoopi apologised and everythings ok? Seems odd somebody with a Jewish stage name would say a silly thing like that.
Emmanuel Macron is going to face stiff (controlled) opposition from Eric Zemmour in the French elections come next April... :laugh:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10459219/French-journalist-police-protection-documentary-radical-Islam.html
What a shithole France has become....
Yeah, you can barely walk outside for all the FACELESS DOLLS (!!!) strewn all over every single street in every single town and city the full length and breadth of the land.
Oh no, wait, it's really just in one already infamous decimated town in Normandy. M6 should do their next show about orthodox Jews living in Paris who oblige their women to shave their heads and wear wigs, try and get people to believe that this is also a national problem, and let's see what kind of reaction they get. Sure, not death threats from a marginalized community, but rather the massive ban-hammer directly from the government, probably before the show ever gets to air.
Does he have a point about auld Neilers though?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 01, 2022, 06:21:44 PM
Does he have a point about auld Neilers though?
:laugh: Neil is a hero now. Let's leave it be...
Edit: in anyways, it's obvious this whole thing is a power play by multinational corporations to drum up even more profits for their dear old shareholders. Fuck them all...
Why is there no White History Month?
Oh that's right.... It would take decades... :abbath:
Apparently aul Guinan's been suspended from her job at Ten Forward.
I saw Shapiro did a number on her, which I found pretty funny. If there is one man in the US today you could blame for confusing African Americans into mistaking Jews for just another facet of the white establishment, it'd be him. And Pinker. And... hmm, maybe best not to go too far down that road. It was pretty amazingly ignorant of her, but I'm still convinced it was probably just as representative of the nation.
Whatever all that means...
It seems to me you are conflating conservatism with whiteness (or vice versa) while treating black Americans as a monolith, united under the umbrella of leftism. Everything about your statement is baffling.
Edit. Count yourself lucky I'm not an SJW or I'd call you a Nazi and have you deplatformed :D
No conflating. As I said, "If... it would be him."
Part of the name Shapiro's made for himself has been in vocally debunking the plight of African-Americans in recent history to a majority white, "gentile" audience. He couldn't be shut up about it throughout the BLM period. So one could understand how some African-Americans might see him as being, first and foremost, white rather than Jewish. That he, of all people, would then leap out of his seat to attack an African-American for conflating Jews and whites, when from an external perspective his career has been largely built on blurring precisely that line (and it's worked great for him; if he didn't, he'd have only a fraction of the audience he has), it's just pretty rich is all. African-Americans aren't a monolith, and neither are Jews. But Shapiro is a spanner, and Whoopi a dope.
I don't think he's made a secret of being Jewish... I'm very confused. But yes, he's an irritating spanner, that much we can agree on. I haven't listened to much of his stuff because he's far too smug and I think there are better voices out there contending with these ideas- Sam Harris, Glen Lowry, John McWhorter etc.
Anyway, I'm stepping back off the merry-go-round again. :-X
No, he hasn't made a secret of it. But if you were a black American who only knew him from any number of snippets in which he's proclaiming it's totally grand being black in America, the first thing you're most likely going to think is, "Who's this fuckin' cracker?" rather than "Grr, them Jews at it again!" Also in part because if you're a random black American, chances of you having had a really poor cultural education are pretty staggeringly high.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/survey-finds-shocking-lack-holocaust-knowledge-among-millennials-gen-z-n1240031
Hold your horses there, Adolf :laugh:
Matt Walsh from the Daily Wire is much better and less smug than his boss Shapiro.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 02, 2022, 11:00:08 AM
No, he hasn't made a secret of it. But if you were a black American who only knew him from any number of snippets in which he's proclaiming it's totally grand being black in America, the first thing you're most likely going to think is, "Who's this fuckin' cracker?" rather than "Grr, them Jews at it again!" Also in part because if you're a random black American, chances of you having had a really poor cultural education are pretty staggeringly high.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/survey-finds-shocking-lack-holocaust-knowledge-among-millennials-gen-z-n1240031
Millennials irk the feck out of me at the best of times..... but, how on earth could they not know that 6 million people died in WWII..?
I mean it's such a round number and very easy to remember. And we constantly hear about it and should never forget. It's not like we don't hear about it, all the time...
And let us not forget about the other 70+ million people who died in that war too. Disgusting what 'humanity' can inflict upon itself.
They're dopes for not remembering such an easy number to remember as SIX MILLION...
RIP to all those who have ever died in a war. Any war, poor souls...
War is terrible....
The people who start wars are the most evil Satanic scum imaginable. I would gladly wipe each every one of them and their ilk off the face of this earth.
It seems Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young are aligned for the first time in a long time:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/crosby-stills-nash-spotify-protest_n_61fadafde4b02136b6ef0eb0?d_id=3120233&ref=bffbhuffpost&ncid_tag=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=us_main
Besides Shapiro bringing up being Jewish in nearly every conversation he has, he also looks and sounds like a jew.
Him, Candace Owens (who is a bit dense tbh), Milo Yannipoulos (heard he have up the mickey since) or the Mexican lad in charge of the Proud Boys irk the left so profoundly partly because they are harder to give both barrels to for fear of a hypocrisy charge.
Shapiro must lick his lips with anticipation of the stock accusation of 'Nazi' coming his way.
Quote from: open face surgery on February 02, 2022, 09:32:38 PM
Besides Shapiro bringing up being Jewish in nearly every conversation he has, he also looks and sounds like a jew.
A Jew... and a cracker, that's what I'm saying. And when he talks in his pompous, Ivy league nasal whine about white privilege not existing, I'm reckoning it's a safe bet he strikes more of a cracker pose than a Jewish one to African-American eyes.
The Americans stupidly driving the Russkaya directly into the the bosom of the Chinese.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60257080
More Trans fun with swimmer Lia Thomas
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/02/03/lia-thomas-penn-swimming-teammates/
She still has her penis and balls,no boobs, and her team mates feel uncomfortable with her in the changing rooms, especially when she lets them see her willy. And Lia still fancies women.
Wonder if I could try that Down the local swimming pool
Quote from: Kurt CocaineThe people who start wars are the most evil Satanic scum imaginable. I would gladly wipe each every one of them and their ilk off the face of this earth.
Is there
anything to be said for another mass?
Jimmy Car has sparked up some trouble on twitter (although not the real world so no big deal) about his Netflix show that's been out for 3 months. The whole gimmick of the show is that's the most offensive dark jokes. Seems joking about gypsies getting gassed isn't PC these days.
Imagine watching a Jimmy Carr stand up show that wasn't offensive. Talk about going out of your way to get upset at stuff :laugh:
I watched that last week , love the wee legoman looking hoor, funny as fuck, sharp as a tack, but sadly I knew as I watched it he was going to invoke the ire of these tossers
Not a big fan myself, but that particular joke from as household a name as Carr could have become the subject of public outrage at any point since at least the 90s, if we're being honest. Most surprising thing about it is that it took the few months after its broadcast for the backlash to happen! The gypsy bit wasn't particularly funny, imo, identical to jokes we were hearing and repeating about WWII back when we were kids. The Jehovah's Witness bit was funnier, but he rounded it off on a total cliché. That's Carr for me; sometimes great, sometimes reminds me of actual specific jokes from the playground. Anyway, getting backlash is part of his thing, his fame relies on it in part.
Stewart Lee gets a funny dig at his style in this clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OLXzO1oK2w
I find Carr hit and miss myself but he has his moments. I think Lee is great. Completely different ends of the spectrum in every way, but that's the beauty of it. We need all of it, not just the stuff that's considered safe or inoffensive. And even at that, certain comedians are genius at making innocent or broad humour truly hilarious. Same thing with music or any other art form, the more choice and variety, the better.
Yeah definitely. And certain comedians defending their right to make jokes about anything, it's just part of their circuit, part of their career: it does them more good than bad, in the long run. Don't get too caught up in it, one way or the other, because it works in all directions. Sales of Maus have shot through the roof since millions of liberals the world over decided the worst thing that had happened since the war was 10 representatives of some backwater school district in the US, with a total population of 50,000, voting to remove the graphic novel, or "ban" it, for those who enjoy playing things up, from the recommended reading list. Outrage over any kind of creative work is always a swings and roundabouts thing: i.e. something that's best for grown-ups to observe from the sidelines.
Credit where due, I think Rogan carried off this apology particularly well, this one following after someone made a montage of every time he's said the n-word on the podcast. His explanation is humble, genuine, and not about him, which makes it much more believable than his apology over the whole anti-vax thing. But that's okay too. He apologized there over something he didn't think he needed to, but here it's a very different tone, so fair dues on this one Joe.
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1489953221997178880
Interesting that Spotify have removed something like 70 of his podcasts because of 'questionable content', presumably because of the sort of thing you've just referred to. Damage limitation I'm sure, what with their stock having devalued by a third recently.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 05, 2022, 10:24:03 PM
Credit where due, I think Rogan carried off this apology particularly well, this one following after someone made a montage of every time he's said the n-word on the podcast. His explanation is humble, genuine, and not about him, which makes it much more believable than his apology over the whole anti-vax thing. But that's okay too. He apologized there over something he didn't think he needed to, but here it's a very different tone, so fair dues on this one Joe.
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1489953221997178880
He comes off well, but apologising only encourages these people more. Blood in the water now.
If he apologized, it certainly wasn't for the benefit of whoever you have in mind with "these people", but for moderates (the majority of his listeners, of all races I imagine) who get uncomfortable at the word coming from a white person. People who won't be tweeting about how damnable they think it is and baying for his blood. Not looking great right now though, if "these people" start trawling, they're going to find all sorts of stuff. Another clip from a podcast with Joey Diaz from about 10 years ago has him bragging about coercing 20 women trying to get their break in Hollywood into giving him oral sex, while Rogan explodes with laughter. Not a great look, especially since Joey Diaz physically looks the part of the guy you'd cast in a movie if you wanted your sexual predator to generate as much visceral distaste in the audience as possible.
That Diaz clip has been brought up a good few times over the years. The witchhunt mentality is fuckin sickening, in any capacity, but it's more obvious in this scenario because they are fighting a losing battle, at least that's how I see it, and just keep going again and again. Maybe I'm naive but everyone knows what Joe Rogan is like. He's not a bad cunt, he's just a bozo.
Never, ever apologise when some Twitter trawling spastic tries to make you look like a prick. Anyone who has even the meanest of intellects knows he's not a racist or any type of ist of any consequence and it's bullshit taken out of context. As yer man of the Bree's says, he's just a loose mouthed LAD.
Apologising for making people feel uncomfortable. On the Internet. Fuck off.
Dude, he's a multi-millionaire. He's doing what he thinks is best for continuing to make millions. To do that, he needs to keep all the moderates on his side. You're not a moderate, neither am I. Moderates like apologies, and they are in the majority, that infamous "silent majority."
Maybe you're right about his motivations, who knows. It never seems to do any good and the perception is that it's panicked, disingenuous back peddling.
Fair play to John McEnroe for refusing to do as he was bid.
I don't share Rogan's views on Covid, or numerous other issues for that matter, but I like his podcast, think he's a good and reasonably engaging presenter, and that he's probably a decent enough person. I'm not exactly sure myself where I stand on the overall controversy, so maybe I'm a bit hasty in passing it off as a bit of a non-issue, but Spotify is a streaming service and not a news agency or public service broadcaster...so I'm not sure what ethical or moral obligation it has to vet its podcaster's content any more than, say, the numerous musicians or bands it features with dodgy political views.
A while back I'd had it up to my ears with Russell Brand so told YouTube to never suggest a video of his. However, this latest one from a couple of days ago, sent me by mate, is simply wildly entertaining:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtUJpWYtGWM
My mother showed me that Russell brand video the other day. I don't watch a lot of him either but he has a point there and that it was herself who showed me is a fair indicator of how mainstream the likes of this is getting.
Rumble Video, a platform I'm only vaguely aware of, have made an apparently totally serious offer to Joe Rogan of $100 million over 4 years to move ALL of his content over to them and produce new content with zero censorship, ever. This is really turning into a popcorn event!
I don't think he'll do it for a couple of reasons.
He likely has a contract with Spotify.
Neil Young wins.
Rumble isn't exactly a household name.
What does he have to be censored for now that he won't say the word anymore?
Then again, 100 million... what's he on at the minute?
Women being squeezed out of sports and now parenthood by the mentally deranged...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/waitrose-creates-gender-neutral-happy-12167125.amp
Quote from: John Kimble on February 06, 2022, 03:40:00 PM
I don't share Rogan's views on Covid, or numerous other issues for that matter, but I like his podcast, think he's a good and reasonably engaging presenter, and that he's probably a decent enough person. I'm not exactly sure myself where I stand on the overall controversy, so maybe I'm a bit hasty in passing it off as a bit of a non-issue, but Spotify is a streaming service and not a news agency or public service broadcaster...so I'm not sure what ethical or moral obligation it has to vet its podcaster's content any more than, say, the numerous musicians or bands it features with dodgy political views.
I hope no one posts up Howard 'hook nose' Stern's video of him black face with afro wig and spouting the N word... :abbath:
Or even the despicable The Young Turks for that matter....
But sure here ya go...
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/02/07/watch-far-left-young-turks-show-still-on-spotify-and-youtube-features-n-word-repeatedly/
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 08, 2022, 08:22:01 AM
Women being squeezed out of sports and now parenthood by the mentally deranged...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/waitrose-creates-gender-neutral-happy-12167125.amp
You share the worst content, worse than my aunties, and that's saying something. A four year old story from the Mirror about a greetings card choice in one chain of supermarkets in the UK. Stop the fucking press! Oh wait, they did. Four years ago :laugh:
The hullabaloo over a football player kicking his cat when billions of animals are brutally mistreated by the meat processing industry and others is beyond pathetic.
He is being crucified!
I'm not a vegan, although I respect the lifestyle choice, but for Jaysus sake, a bit of perspective, his pets taken off him, sponsors dropping him, massive fine and cunts signing petitions for him to be prosecuted. Get tae fuck!
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60312876
The optics are fairly bad Kev. I don't give two hoots about the vegan lifestyle and their reasoning and don't have nor want pets so I've no vested interest but it still takes a certain type of scumbag to do what he did. If some knacker did it, I'd hope they were prosecuted too. I haven't seen the video but in this instance I can certainly see why sponsors would be likely to drop him.
I saw the video. It's not the worst thing you'll ever see but it's not fucking on kicking and slapping your cat. Why they videoed it and put it up online is beyond me.
Here's the vid:
https://twitter.com/naruto_92i/status/1490890404866424833
It's pointed abuse, not just a kick or a slap out of frustration, but physically abusing an animal, and passing the practice down to a kid and all. Shit things happen to animals in meat processing plants and on farms all the time, sure, and that's awful. But also, this guy, fuck him, who cares. Dug your grave, in ya get.
I'll put it this way lads, I'm delighted no one had a video recorder in their pocket in my day. Spastics on that front for sure.
Nevertheless, the reaction is way over the top. I caught my cat pissing on my runners and he received the discipline of a boot up the hole, swiftly and decisively.
No, fuck that. Animal abuse is reprehensible, no excuses. The harsher sanctions that hit the cunt, the better.
Just watched the video. No, fuck that cunt. Dirty scumbag deserves whatever comes his way.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 09, 2022, 06:10:15 PM
Nevertheless, the reaction is way over the top. I caught my cat pissing on my runners and he received the discipline of a boot up the hole, swiftly and decisively.
Wow so cool.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 09, 2022, 06:10:15 PM
I caught my cat pissing on my runners and he received the discipline of a boot up the hole, swiftly and decisively.
First, bravo.
Second, yer man is literally being cruel to the cat
for fun. That's the difference y'eejit. I was expecting a video of a kick thrown out in frustration, but no, it's a cunt being cruel to a cat for a laugh and teaching a kid to do the same thing.
Yeah I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying it's, in my opinion, a bit strong the way he's being strung up for it. That multiple rapist Mandy from Man City or the other countless criminal ball bags like David Goodwillie got less attention.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 09, 2022, 05:54:28 PM
Here's the vid:
https://twitter.com/naruto_92i/status/1490890404866424833
It's pointed abuse, not just a kick or a slap out of frustration, but physically abusing an animal, and passing the practice down to a kid and all. Shit things happen to animals in meat processing plants and on farms all the time, sure, and that's awful. But also, this guy, fuck him, who cares. Dug your grave, in ya get.
Fuck, that video is shocking. Zero sympathy for the cunt.
Ya, that's fuckin horrible. I hope much worse befalls the prick.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 09, 2022, 07:40:31 PM
Yeah I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying it's, in my opinion, a bit strong the way he's being strung up for it. That multiple rapist Mandy from Man City or the other countless criminal ball bags like David Goodwillie got less attention.
Internet 101. Don't fuck with cats.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 09, 2022, 07:40:31 PM
Yeah I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying it's, in my opinion, a bit strong the way he's being strung up for it. That multiple rapist Mandy from Man City or the other countless criminal ball bags like David Goodwillie got less attention.
The video did really annoy me I think he is getting what he deserves. The thing you have to ask yourself as well is if he does this on camera what type of things does he do to the cat off camera.
Quote from: mickO))) on February 10, 2022, 01:20:37 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 09, 2022, 07:40:31 PM
Yeah I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying it's, in my opinion, a bit strong the way he's being strung up for it. That multiple rapist Mandy from Man City or the other countless criminal ball bags like David Goodwillie got less attention.
The video did really annoy me I think he is getting what he deserves. The thing you have to ask yourself as well is if he does this on camera what type of things does he do to the cat off camera.
Mason Greenwood, but with cats?
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 09, 2022, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 09, 2022, 07:40:31 PM
Yeah I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying it's, in my opinion, a bit strong the way he's being strung up for it. That multiple rapist Mandy from Man City or the other countless criminal ball bags like David Goodwillie got less attention.
Internet 101. Don't fuck with cats.
Saw that video and it's not a kick to 'drive the cat through the wall and kill it' type of kick more like a type of drop push than a proper drop kick. Typically soccer players wouldn't be able to carry this off.
Justin Trudeau has to be, on top of being Fidel Castro's young fella, the biggest bellend and crybaby in the free world. 'I won't talk to the truckers, their views are unacceptable' waaa waaa.
Scratch this particular liberal and you see that he's an utter fascist.
Trudeau has just invoked the emergency act against peaceful protesters which is essentially martial law. This is the first time in Canadas history that this has happened and he has taken this drastic step while still have not having made one single attempt to meet with any of the protesters. Meanwhile during the BLM riots in 2020 he went out and took a knee with protesters and while he did this a group of people surrounded him and his security detail calling him racist.
The Liberal Government has also said they are going to broaden the scope of the anti money laundering and terrorism laws so that they cover crowd funding platforms. As far gone as I thought Canada was when l lived there this is just crazy Trudeau and his Government have to go or the country is gone. Fidel would be so proud.
Ya, a significant proportion of the truckers are Sikhs(go back to the Punjab with your white nationalism) , and, of course, they were still labelled as white supremacists and Nazis, all the while opportunistic, hysterical ghouls shrieking about 'racial justice' (fuck off) are mythologised by Trudeau and given the kind of deference that demi gods would be mildly embarrassed to receive.
He's in his third term! Who is voting for this fanny? He would have been a fringe twat 20 years ago, he's now the embodiment of the new order, the resurrection of the ancien régime, except with Twitter shaming , medieval siege tactics against peaceful protesters and cancelling instead of breaking on the wheel.
Johnny Rotten puts the whole bollix crisply and succinctly ;
I never thought I'd live to see the day when the right wing would become the cool ones giving the middle finger to the establishment, and the left wing becoming the sniveling self-righteous twatty ones going around shaming everyone.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 15, 2022, 06:19:56 AM
Johnny Rotten puts the whole bollix crisply and succinctly ;
I never thought I'd live to see the day when the right wing would become the cool ones giving the middle finger to the establishment, and the left wing becoming the sniveling self-righteous twatty ones going around shaming everyone.
Except, not at all, because taking it in that direction is precisely playing into their hands. You started your post by saying as much. There are plenty of proper leftists, not liberals but genuine old school socialists, in among the COVID pass, etc., protestors, and not only in Canada.
Next time you feel an urge to quote Johnny Rotten, pause for a week or so, because the chances of sense coming out of that pretty vacant tool's mouth are slim to none.
Is he a vacant tool now that he's stepped off the reservation like that other traitor Russel Brand, or has he always been so? I don't think he's as dumb as all that. His music is pretty poor though I'll grant you that.
The old school left is worthy of respect, socialism is something I disagree with, same with trade unionism etc, it's noble in thought but hopeless in practice when the human race is the object. It's the current definition of 'liberal' that I and probably he gets all antsy in the pantsy over.
Johnny Rotten has always been a tool. His anarchy was a brand from day 1, as everyone knows. Just a spoilt brat, and now just an ageing one.
You started your post saying, "they're calling them all right-wingers, but they're not!" then ended it with a quote saying, "the right-wingers are the cool ones now!"
Make up your mind, innit.
You're conflating accusations of racism etc with the right wing. Not mutually exclusive.
No Kevin, I'm saying that you are correctly criticizing the simple but false narrative created by the mainstream media, in which pro-COVID pass people are on the "left" whereas anti-COVID pass people are on the "right" or "far-right". Johnny Rotten, on the other hand, is just repeating and feeding into exactly the same simple but false narrative.
Cheers then, eh, Christopher : )
To be fair to Jonny Rotten, he did say back in the 70s that he wanted to kill Jimmy Saville and that he was a disgusting hipocrit so not everything out of his mouth was bad.
But still just a mouth all the same! haha
Quote from: mickO))) on February 15, 2022, 01:26:59 AM
Trudeau has just invoked the emergency act against peaceful protesters which is essentially martial law. This is the first time in Canadas history that this has happened and he has taken this drastic step while still have not having made one single attempt to meet with any of the protesters. Meanwhile during the BLM riots in 2020 he went out and took a knee with protesters and while he did this a group of people surrounded him and his security detail calling him racist.
The Liberal Government has also said they are going to broaden the scope of the anti money laundering and terrorism laws so that they cover crowd funding platforms. As far gone as I thought Canada was when l lived there this is just crazy Trudeau and his Government have to go or the country is gone. Fidel would be so proud.
Trudeau, when farmers block roads in Delhi: "They have to be allowed to protest, it's a part of democracy"
Trudeau, when truckers block roads in Ottawa: "REEEEE! TERRORISTS!"
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 15, 2022, 01:59:05 PM
To be fair to Jonny Rotten, he did say back in the 70s that he wanted to kill Jimmy Saville and that he was a disgusting hipocrit so not everything out of his mouth was bad.
He also said Nelson Mandela had a cult of personality around him and he was cleansed from a bomber to an omniscient father to the whole world, calling him a fake etc.
Even if there might be the kernel of a point, the cunt did spend seventeen years being booted around in prison without holding a great deal of ill will, and he is certainly a saint compared to the inept, resentful pricks who stepped into his boots since.
For all the folks talking bollocks about Canada, I'm here now and the protests are far from peaceful. They are actively harrassing people, breaking shop windows, forcing closures (local businesses online begging for calm because they are almost at the point of closing permanently), blocking routes from emergency vehicles and essential trade (this is what the emergency act mainly covers), assaulting people etc. Depends on your leanings of course whether you want to latch onto the faction of protesters that actually are peaceful, or the ones who are genuinely waving Swastikas in the city centres and causing a lot of trouble. Both sides are there. Referring to them overall as a peaceful protest though is simply untrue. And for the record, the majority of provincial premiers have been warning of increased sanctions and action against the truckers for a while now and the decision to invoke the Emergency Measures Act came out of a meeting of all the premiers and the government, it's not like Trudeau just pulled it out of his hole.
The fascination with Trudeau is really intriguing to me. He's an ok PM but nothing terrible, yet right-leaning people have latched on to him so hard like he's the anti-christ or something. It reminds me of the way left wingers have latched onto Jordan Peterson in the same kind of way. Both of them are actually quite moderate, but hysterical people who have lost the plot seem to be using them as the lightning rods for this whole culture war...
The Emergency Act doesn't 'mainly cover' blocking emergency vehicles etc, it goes much further than that. This information is not only freely available but widely reported.
I acknowledge that you are there and have your ear to the ground far more than I or anybody else here does, but the response, at least as far as it's being reported is draconian. Seizure of bank accounts etc? His back is against the wall but even federal premiers are warning of 'throwing oil on the fire' by essentially making protesters non-persons if they don't cease and desist.
Both surely are present among the protesters. But having just today done a check, neither The Guardian, nor the New York Times, nor CNN even mention Sikh drivers, while a Tribune of India piece describes them as "the majority" (numbers wise) of truckers present. Tribune of India might be exaggerating, but the fact that their presence is not being mentioned at all by the liberal media is precisely the kind of thing that feeds into people just not trusting one or the other sides, and that's where polarization comes in. I'm not right-leaning at all, but to my eyes Trudeau is up there with Macron (I live in France) as the worst liberal leaders in the world today: hypocritical regarding all "left" talking points. And given the excesses of Canada's response to COVID, it is no surprise that this current thing is happening there and not somewhere else.
Yes the Emergency Act does cover more, but the intention is to use it specifically to clear essential routes for trade and also emergency vehicles. It's also a temporary measure. I would call the response so far far from Draconian. If anything, the response has been incredibly muted in terms of official sanctions. Especially compared to the treatment indigenous people receive whenever they protest. If it gets Draconian at some point that might be another matter, but for now they've only just finally started to take the appropriate measures to remove the worst elements of the truckers who are causing the most harm.
And Chris, I don't really disagree with you (albeit I still think you're a little overly hard on Trudeau, despite containing some truth), but this is the post-Trump political world we live in I suppose. Love him or hate him, he deliberately fueled divisiveness as a political tactic and now it's not enough to be centre-ish, nuanced, or reasonable. People have just picked sides and are screaming into the abyss at each other and I have no idea how that ends.
For the record, Trudeau was elected because Canada had been under a conservative government for years and it was awful (as conservative governments often are), so he was elected as the best candidate/party who isn't conservative. That's where Canada still is right now and why he has been elected 3 times, he's still the best candidate because nobody wants to go back to conservative leadership. Which is fair (in my opinion of course).
I dunno lad, stealing (or appropriating depending on your point of view) fuel, freezing bank accounts, forcing insurance policy cancellations? That's all on the table, so if draconian feels a little like medieval terminology, it's startlingly harsh. Are the french any better bashing and tear gassing? Maybe not, but I'd rather a few slaps than having my ability to function in society taken away.
As for Trudeau, as has been pointed out, he's a demonstrable hypocrite (granted he's a politician, goes with the territory) but more pertinently, his refusal to even meet representatives of the protests are evidence enough of his intolerance of dissent.
I'll grant you, I find him an odious, obnoxious flip flopper and that colours my view of the situation, but not so much that I can't see the wood from the trees. Forcing people to take vaccinations is tyranny, a minor form of tyranny, it's not Stalinist Russia, but fuck him, he's made his bed.
Top post from BSC. Like a crescent moon over a village in Castilla La Mancha on a sultry late spring evening. Rare enough, but sumptuous :)
Quote from: Mooncat on February 15, 2022, 06:20:01 PM
For all the folks talking bollocks about Canada, I'm here now and the protests are far from peaceful.
Ha, I've been trying to figure out why so many here are up in arms about personalities and events in Canada. I never knew there were so many Canadaians here... At least you're there and seeing things for yourself, which supports what shop owners and residents have been reporting in various news interviews but denied by people here for some reason.
Your observations beats any of the hissy fits here from the usual sort getting overly-excited about preceived slights to their very existence. It seems some people here are ready to attack the Canadian Embassy - calm down like!
In fairness, so far they've only been threatening those measures. The overwhelming message for weeks from the premiers and Trudeau has always been, 'please stop, you're causing a huge amount of harm with your illegal activity'. They're actively trying to give the illegal protesters every chance to revert to non-illegal protest before being forced to take action. The license suspension threats are because they're specifically using their trucks for illegal means rather than what they're actually meant for. If they were just protesting themselves without the trucks this wouldn't be a threat. The bank accounts are because they're raising millions to keep this activity going. If they weren't engaging in illegal activity this would all look different, but they are and are causing significant harm to the people and businesses who live there. Remember this is an era where people actually stormed the American Capitol, and this kind of rhetoric comes from a lot of the truckers. They've been seizing guns and body armour from some of these people (Canada has its fair share of redneck, gun nut militia people too). It's no wonder there's heightened sensitivity about this kind of stuff right now. I can genuinely see how setting a precedent for such measures could be alarming, but until they actually start abusing it in some way it's all hypothetical.
I can also see why he won't meet with protestors. Premier Jason Kenney tried that and acquiesced to their demands to remove Covid restrictions (passport, masking in 2 weeks etc) and then they immediately changed their demands to be that they now wouldn't move their blockade until Trudeau was removed from office. These people (the specific harmful element) aren't here to be reasonable or negotiate, this is essentially just the natural combustion point for people who are sick of mandates and are acting out. It started as a specific trucker thing, but has expanded well beyond that now.
And despite his flaws, Trudeau is still a progressive leader in an era of huge resurgence in right-wing politics and viewpoints. With politics it's usually a case of choosing your lesser evil, right?
Fine points well made, but the lesser of the two evils is in the eye of the beholder and we certainly differ in that regard.
Notwithstanding, quite a bit of what you've written is food for thought, even though I'm out on the right wing blitzing left backs like Lee Sharpe in his heyday: )
Aye, all you're saying is fair enough. But liberal Canada was really allowed run riot over the last two years. Every liberal Canadian colleague (all academics) I'm connected with on Twitter I ended up, one by one, masking, the levels of their insane COVID panic were so high. And I'm saying that only with respect to the fact that Canada is still 90th or lower in the world in terms of mortality per million. But even with that, the liberal camp kept demanding more restrictions, and kept on getting listened to. Kids not being allowed talk to each other during lunch, if I hadn't heard that one directly from a close friend now living there with kids, I'd have thought it was KC pulling something off Telegram. That atmosphere for two years would drive *me* crazy, so you can only imagine what it would do to the heads of people who thought we were already at overkill with the first lockdown. Panic has been allowed to call the shots in Canada and that, in turn, has dictated to everyone that they not live how they wish to live, down to dictating how their children can and cannot play. Don't know if you have kids, but I'd have snapped at that too.
I appreciate the reasoned debate. I'd say I'm more central but left leaning, and pretty sick of both the left and the right right now lol. I just don't know how we heal the divide...
I'm also randomly remembering Lee Sharpe's goal celebration where he did the vaguely Macarena-esque dance and licked his finger at the end. I remember folks copying that one on the playground back in the day lol.
Quote from: Mooncat on February 15, 2022, 08:41:54 PM
I'm also randomly remembering Lee Sharpe's goal celebration where he did the vaguely Macarena-esque dance and licked his finger at the end. I remember folks copying that one on the playground back in the day lol.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Now there's a blast from the past!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 15, 2022, 08:40:46 PM
Aye, all you're saying is fair enough. But liberal Canada was really allowed run riot over the last two years. Every liberal Canadian colleague (all academics) I'm connected with on Twitter I ended up, one by one, masking, the levels of their insane COVID panic were so high. And I'm saying that only with respect to the fact that Canada is still 90th or lower in the world in terms of mortality per million. But even with that, the liberal camp kept demanding more restrictions, and kept on getting listened to. Kids not being allowed talk to each other during lunch, if I hadn't heard that one directly from a close friend now living there with kids, I'd have thought it was KC pulling something off Telegram. That atmosphere for two years would drive *me* crazy, so you can only imagine what it would do to the heads of people who thought we were already at overkill with the first lockdown. Panic has been allowed to call the shots in Canada and that, in turn, has dictated to everyone that they not live how they wish to live, down to dictating how their children can and cannot play. Don't know if you have kids, but I'd have snapped at that too.
I don't think it's been anywhere near as bad as that, and certainly not for an entire 2yrs (regarding the kids in school). May be a bit of fed up exaggeration from your friend, or possibly an extra strict school, or maybe even a temporary measure at certain schools, but schools have mostly just been confined to their specific class cohorts and within that can interact with each other fairly normally. I work in the library service and work closely with many schools plus my gf is a teacher and I've never seen or heard of anything quite that restrictive.
I will also concede that provinces are self-governed and perhaps there were stricter schools in a different province, I genuinely don't know...
Perish the thought of me taking anything anybody says at face value, I looked it up as soon as it was said:
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-students-told-not-to-speak-during-lunch-to-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19-1.5635328
Interesting, I hadn't heard about that one. And the premier of Ontario isn't exactly liberal either. In fairness that report is from Oct so not exactly 2 full years of no interaction, but yes, I agree that's a little more on the hysterical side of measures to be taking.
Quote from: Mooncat on February 15, 2022, 06:20:01 PM
For all the folks talking bollocks about Canada, I'm here now and the protests are far from peaceful. They are actively harrassing people, breaking shop windows, forcing closures (local businesses online begging for calm because they are almost at the point of closing permanently), blocking routes from emergency vehicles and essential trade (this is what the emergency act mainly covers), assaulting people etc. Depends on your leanings of course whether you want to latch onto the faction of protesters that actually are peaceful, or the ones who are genuinely waving Swastikas in the city centres and causing a lot of trouble. Both sides are there. Referring to them overall as a peaceful protest though is simply untrue. And for the record, the majority of provincial premiers have been warning of increased sanctions and action against the truckers for a while now and the decision to invoke the Emergency Measures Act came out of a meeting of all the premiers and the government, it's not like Trudeau just pulled it out of his hole.
The fascination with Trudeau is really intriguing to me. He's an ok PM but nothing terrible, yet right-leaning people have latched on to him so hard like he's the anti-christ or something. It reminds me of the way left wingers have latched onto Jordan Peterson in the same kind of way. Both of them are actually quite moderate, but hysterical people who have lost the plot seem to be using them as the lightning rods for this whole culture war...
I lived under Trudeau for over 5 years. We have had some bad politicians in Ireland but none hold a candle to Trudeau. I could sit here typing all night listing the many underhand things he has done.
I have a friend who I was just on the phone to an hour ago living in downtown Ottawa who is telling a completely different story to you. Are you living in Ottawa? I have not seen one shred of evidence to back up the violent protester claims and you know as well as I do if it existed the Government funded MSM would be all over it. Swastikas in the city centres ? Not sure were you are getting this from as the only place it seems to be coming from was Trudeaus mouth after he came out of hiding. The protest has been going on for 4 weeks and so far I have seen one picture of a Swastika that was taken from the highway which looks suspect to say the least.
Is your friend in support of the trucker convoy? Because they tend to deny absolutely everything. And I also have friends in Ottawa who give much more vivid accounts than what I was describing. Including people who've been shoved and spat on. And that's just people I personally know.
I'm in Alberta, which is usually the flashpoint for right wing nuts in Canada, and yes I have seen all the stuff I'm talking about here. Including the ridiculous moment one of the conservative MPs here had the good sense to get interviewed on the news in front of a protester holding a Canadian flag with a swastika on it.
In fairness, you saying you haven't seen a shred of evidence means absolutely nothing. It's happening, whether it suits you to believe it or not.
Quote from: Mooncat on February 15, 2022, 09:51:29 PM
Is your friend in support of the trucker convoy? Because they tend to deny absolutely everything. And I also have friends in Ottawa who give much more vivid accounts than what I was describing. Including people who've been shoved and spat on. And that's just people I personally know.
I'm in Alberta, which is usually the flashpoint for right wing nuts in Canada, and yes I have seen all the stuff I'm talking about here. Including the ridiculous moment one of the conservative MPs here had the good sense to get interviewed on the news in front of a protester holding a Canadian flag with a swastika on it.
In fairness, you saying you haven't seen a shred of evidence means absolutely nothing. It's happening, whether it suits you to believe it or not.
Yes my friend is in support of the convoy is your friend against it because they tend believe all of the garbage that CBC has been reporting for the last month like trying to connect the convoy to Russia?
I think saying I haven't seen any evidence does mean something since the Government funded media have been against this protest from day one and it has been going on for four weeks and not once piece of evidence has been shown to back these claims up. Also the crime rate in Ottawa is at all time low right now for the first time in years.
Trudeau called the truckers anti vax for the first two weeks when most of them are vaccinated they are anti mandates. Trudeau said the protesters were stealing food from the mouths of the homeless I have seen several of the daily youtube feeds showing people feeding the homeless. Trudeau called the truckers a fringe element with unacceptable views. Being against mandates when over 90% of the country is vaccinated is now an unacceptable view?
I wasn't talking about what my friends have seen on the news, I was talking about what they have personally seen and experienced. And I've already addressed that there are plenty of peaceful protesters there, they are not the concern here.
Not sure what you mean by no evidence, there's been widespread reports of people being harassed and businesses forced to close etc. Including the people I've spoken to and from what I've seen myself. God forbid you walk past them with a mask on. Not to mention all the businesses downtown that have had to close, that have had their windows smashed etc. Is what you actually mean, "because I haven't seen an explicit video of it I'm going to choose not to believe the negative things people are saying about the convoy"? Because that's quite different.
My friend who got spat on for wearing a mask? When she posted about it online someone commented, "There's no way that was someone from the trucker convoy. Was probably a liberal trying to stir up negative press about them". That's what we're dealing with here in terms of denial.
What I mean by evidence is videos, photos not news reports like the ones I mentioned above trying to connect the convoy to Russia with nothing to back it up from media sources that rely heavily on Government funding.
Over half the premiers are against Trudeau invoking the emergency act.
As for the businesses being damaged why was this not a concern during the BLM riots in 2020? I was living in downtown Toronto when businesses had to board up the windows for fear of looting or damage during the riots which went on, on a nightly basis for two weeks. They also caused major damage in Montreal. Trudeau never spoke out against this, didn't freeze any bank accounts, didn't stop any funding sources or invoke the emergency act. So, if it is happening now which I don't believe it is then I am not sure why it is an issue now and wasn't 2 years ago.
People have had kids playing on bouncing castles in the middle of downtown Ottawa both last weekend and the weekend before that I saw this myself on the live stream. I highly doubt this is going on while the swastika waving far right are running around the town terrorizing the residents.
So, you do understand my point then that for you evidence has to be a video, and you're choosing to ignore the first-hand reports of people who have been harrassed? IE you're dismissing that as credible evidence, because it suits you to? You keep mentioning news reports and I keep saying that's not what I'm talking about.
Bar one or two, the premiers are more annoyed that he didn't deal with it immediately rather than letting it get to the point where the Emergency Act is revoked.
Also, I don't think videos of kids on bouncy castles negates anything negative going on. Like I said, no-one is denying that there are peaceful protesters there too. I mean, are these livestreams from within the convoy? If so, then of course they're going to be showing the peaceful stuff. You've clearly decided on your position and you don't seem super open to alternative viewpoints to yours and are mainly looking for things to support that, so I'm not going to continue debating about it. I've said pretty much all I want to say already with my previous posts, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I am ignoring them in the same way you are ignoring the first hand reports I have been getting of the protests being peaceful. Which you are doing because it suits your narrative?
Yes, the livestreams are from within the convoy. Funny you should mention that because I have not been able to find any livestreams of the violence and swastika waving. Believe me I have looked. Once again you would think people would be livestreaming it if it was actually happening.
I am not open to opposing views? You are one who is making claims of illegal and violent protests with absolutely nothing concrete to back it up. While at the same dismissing many of the points I am making. It is quite evident from your previous posts that you are pro Trudeau and very much against the trucker convoy. I am open to having my viewpoint changed but I need more than my mate was spat on so it is ok for Trudeau to declare martial law and shut down anybody who doesn't agree with him.
Man...I mean a debate is a debate, but your logic and reasoning in that last post there are seriously questionable. Like the whole way through.
You do realize that crime happens all over the world, and just because most people don't experience it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen? Just because there are people experiencing peaceful protests, doesn't mean there also aren't people experiencing violent ones? and I'm not supporting a narrative, I'm talking about what I've seen with my own eyes just a few blocks from where I live.
And with regards to livestreams, it's not like violence is scheduled, or constantly ongoing, otherwise there wouldn't be much crime at all, right? It's much easier to livestream stationed, peaceful protesters than isolated outbursts of harassment, violence, vandalism etc.
And it's clear we have very definite views on what constitutes evidence. I'd say what I've seen, what the people that live around here are experiencing, the local businesses afraid to open because of what they've already been subjected to etc is pretty solid evidence that there are pretty significant non-peaceful elements to the protest. You're free to disagree, that's your right. Reducing my entire argument (several pages worth by now) of points I've been making down to, "my mate was spat on so it is ok for Trudeau to declare martial law and shut down anybody who doesn’t agree with him" is the type of moronic, reductive, rhetoric that absolutely kills any chance of reasonable debate (and funnily enough is the exact rhetoric that hysterical idiots on both sides of the right and left fringes constantly fall back on, hence why we're all still stuck with this deep divide). Never mind the fact that he literally has not declared martial law. I have also been quite up front that I am not particularly pro-Trudeau, that he's just ok and is the lesser of two evils. Did you even read the previous debate, or did you just read the "For all the people talking bollocks about Canada" post and jump straight to replying?
I mean I'm not some screaming leftie here, and people absolutely have the right to protest, but when I'm walking downtown and see smashed storefront windows and see people getting harassed for wearing a mask it's a problem, y'know? And that's before you even count the cost of the illegally blocked roadways and bridges (and yes, there's plenty of evidence of that online).
This is a fairly interesting read. What you want to believe or disbelieve from it is one thing, but it does touch on a lot of the points we've been discussing, and the writer seems to be trying to be objective where possible (though def left-leaning). What it does well I think is break down the nuance of the protesters, and the groups-within-groups. It helps highlight beyond the simplistic "truckers good!" or "truckers bad!" mentality.
https://theline.substack.com/p/dispatch-from-the-ottawa-front-sloly?fbclid=IwAR2uJ9VdYfOpCkuIYQopK9ql8kAuM0SmjjMYmD8pvyYNHYiMIF8_Y6jqSz8 (https://theline.substack.com/p/dispatch-from-the-ottawa-front-sloly?fbclid=IwAR2uJ9VdYfOpCkuIYQopK9ql8kAuM0SmjjMYmD8pvyYNHYiMIF8_Y6jqSz8)
Your reasoning is just as questionable to me all I am asking for is actual evidence which you can't provide. Even the point I made about how Trudeau is treating an actual peaceful protest compared to the riots (videos of which do exist) that went on in 2020 speaks volumes to what kind of person he is. All of the points you are making about downtown Ottawa could have been avoided if Trudeau met with the protesters but instead like a stubborn child he refused to and you seem to agree with him refusing to meet them in a previous post.
The only reason this has gone as far as it has is because of the lack of leadership Trudeau has shown now he is throwing the toys out of the pram and demanding he get his way which is one of the many reasons the truckers want him to resign. After the stunt he pulled last night he cannot remain in a position of power. I know he openly praised Chinas dictatorship before but this is taking things to a whole new level.
Of course crime happens all over the world but the basic point I am making is this has gone on for four weeks and not one violent video has surfaced. I don't know how long you have been living in Canada but when I lived there day after day videos would pop up on CTV, Global, CBC etc. pushing a narrative. Yet after 4 weeks not one video has surfaced from the protest. Hundreds of thousands are gathering in Ottawa at the weekends and you would think at least one of those would have caught something.
Yes I did read the debate and I could comment on plenty of other things you brought up like why Trudeau got into office etc. (yes Harper was awful but that is one of many reasons) but no point in wasting my time when you have clearly made up your mind.
All of my posts are relation to what is happening Ottawa and have absolutely nothing to do with Alberta where you said you currently are which is nearly 4000km away (just putting that in for anyone who bothers to read this post giving them some context as some seem to think you very to close to the capital), I don't currently know anyone near the protest in Alberta so I can't comment on what is going on there I actually thought the protest on the boarder there ended last week.
I have Canadian citizenship and if what Trudeau is currently pushing passes through parliament and he gets his way then I really worry about the future of Canada as a country. Before all this even started the country had never been more divided than they have been under Trudeau.
As you said we will just have to agree to disagree. We clearly have completely opposing views as to what is going on. I am clearly pissed off with the whole thing from my point of view as I am sure you are from your viewpoint.
Well, I could continue countering as well, but like you say, we'll just draw a line under it there and agree to disagree.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 15, 2022, 08:34:13 PMI'm out on the right wing blitzing left backs like Lee Sharpe in his heyday: )
Not Anders Limpar?
Limps was only an occasional blitzer.
'Flatters to deceive, Jeff'
Dayum, wish I was a butch rat lesbian....
https://www.instagram.com/p/CalXhIdFJh7/
..
Which ones still have their willies?
Even Kurt won't dare to find that out.. :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 18, 2022, 04:13:26 AM
Limps was only an occasional blitzer.
'Flatters to deceive, Jeff'
Like the Sunday times cryptic clue and the answer is limp bizkit but we all know that's never the answer
Jaysus Enda... :-X
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/sep/15/world.race
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 08, 2022, 08:48:17 AM
Jaysus Enda... :-X
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/sep/15/world.race
Whilst he shouldn't have done it, it was 19 years ago.
KC, did you have to use a snorkeling mask to breathe, reaching that far down to stir the shit? :laugh:
Ah sure, why not. Not much newsworthy going on at the moment like.
Once a racist, always a racist....
I'm fuming here. Bring back Bertie.!
Still all boys then...
Was at the parade yesterday and on comes the local pride contingent. Not really doing anything just waving and shit not even dressed up and of course the crowd clapped and cheered and "well done lads" etc.
My thought was have we not moved on from cheering the subtle nuances of people's sexuality, has this not become acceptable ages ago, we're all fine with it fair play for their self acceptance etc?
I just think a bit more panache to earn the applause rather than simply existing might be in order is all. I mean the same applies to the local dance academies and what have you but at least they're providing some entertainment. The special needs crowd put on a great show even with all they have going against them, you could see the effort etched into their pained expressions and they were well worthy of the bit of adulation. Y'know it's not just limited to the pride lads either, there's a lot at the parades could do more to get the crowd going. There was a few army lads who did a bit of peacekeeping in Lebanon who did fuck all as well only waving but they did have uniforms on at least I suppose and they looked about 90 but then why am I letting them off the hook either they could have told a few war stories over a megaphone or something.
The standard has gone to shit basically and in future I'm going to be fuckin calling them all out if they don't put more effort in. Same for the prick who only had a few sheep on a trailer and a Ukraine flag
😂 Man, it's good to have you and your rants back!
Cheers lad! :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on March 18, 2022, 03:26:56 PM
Was at the parade yesterday and on comes the local pride contingent. Not really doing anything just waving and shit not even dressed up and of course the crowd clapped and cheered and "well done lads" etc.
My thought was have we not moved on from cheering the subtle nuances of people's sexuality, has this not become acceptable ages ago, we're all fine with it fair play for their self acceptance etc?
I just think a bit more panache to earn the applause rather than simply existing might be in order is all. I mean the same applies to the local dance academies and what have you but at least they're providing some entertainment. The special needs crowd put on a great show even with all they have going against them, you could see the effort etched into their pained expressions and they were well worthy of the bit of adulation. Y'know it's not just limited to the pride lads either, there's a lot at the parades could do more to get the crowd going. There was a few army lads who did a bit of peacekeeping in Lebanon who did fuck all as well only waving but they did have uniforms on at least I suppose and they looked about 90 but then why am I letting them off the hook either they could have told a few war stories over a megaphone or something.
The standard has gone to shit basically and in future I'm going to be fuckin calling them all out if they don't put more effort in. Same for the prick who only had a few sheep on a trailer and a Ukraine flag
Yeah, the spiked ugg wearing gobshites...
Jesus Christ - The Guardian is becoming painful of late.
Oscars 2022: a historic night for women – overshadowed by male violence
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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/28/oscars-2022-a-historic-night-for-women-overshadowed-by-male-violence
And it begins;
What does Chris Rock have on his face?
Fresh Prints.
:laugh:
Christ, that Guardian article. Would it'd have been better if yer wan had slapped him? Reading through that would redden the cheeks of anyone but the most fanatical wokists.
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"He got in one little fight because of his wife's hair, and now he's moving with his aunt and uncle in Bel Air"
Not really on to make a joke about someone's medical condition while they're present. I mean, it's not like she's got no hair because of chemotherapy, but it's in that direction all the same. All the same, they're billionaires so I'm mainly enjoying the drama of it all; feels like the 90s again! haha
Total nonsense. Who cares or trusts what actors do?
Quote from: open face surgery on March 28, 2022, 02:09:32 PM
Total nonsense. Who cares or trusts what actors do?
I tried to get into it a little but just couldn't muster up a single fuck to give about either of them, any of it or the Oscars at all.
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I had assumed it was a stunt but after watching the footage there's no question it was a real attack. Smith really burst him and was outraged afterwards (and subsequently blubbing when he realised he might be kicked out of the academy). It's a storm in a tea cup, no question, but I don't think it was staged.
Enjoyed this from Gervais last night 😂
https://twitter.com/DavidBrentMovie/status/1508404231132307459?t=hlpkkGmUr8Kfa6coQ-wCIA&s=19
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 28, 2022, 09:16:02 PM
I had assumed it was a stunt but after watching the footage there's no question it was a real attack. Smith really burst him and was outraged afterwards (and subsequently blubbing when he realised he might be kicked out of the academy). It's a storm in a tea cup, no question, but I don't think it was staged.
From the guy who accuses me of having too much time on my hands...
With the ratings boost this is going to give the Oscars, hopefully it'll lead to the awards eventually becoming "Invite the nominees onto the stage, and the last one standing gets the award"
Who wouldn't want to see Judi Dench break Kristin Stewart's neck to win the Best Actress Category?
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on March 29, 2022, 03:29:31 PM
Who wouldn't want to see Judi Dench break Kristin Stewart's neck to win the Best Actress Category?
Count me in.
https://mobile.twitter.com/terrelljstarr/status/1509047598337953792
Anybody want to confirm if we've reached peak idiocy or are we still just on the way?
What a piece of shit. Do people actually consider that progressive thinking? Unreal.
It's all part of the staging designed to distract you from discovering that 9/11 was an inside job.
I thought it was more to do with the Kennedy assassination but you might be on to something. Working on a theory here that Kennedy faked the fake moon landings so no-one would suspect that he's actually been living on the moon this whole time with Stanley Kubrick and Julius Caesar and they directed the 9/11 attacks from there using the haarp but it only made it appear that the buildings fell and they are in fact still standing and the new one is a hologram. I know it's true because I read it in popular mechanics.
Next I just have to figure out why building 7 fell and why BBC announced it half an hour before it happened and then I can move on to why a missile hit the pentagon but was reported as a plane.
I just need to work out exactly when this black racist was first contacted by Bill gates and it should all fall into place
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 30, 2022, 08:36:14 AM
What a piece of shit. Do people actually consider that progressive thinking? Unreal.
It's one of the funniest accounts I've seen. His takes on queerness are equally spectacular.
World "Health" Organisation want to give women more "freedom" so they can casually murder their babies. The blood of millions of children are crying out to Heaven for vengeance.
"The reason why we have such a massive slaughter of the innocents is because we have become a fornicating society, and adulterous society, a masturbating society, a homosexual society and a contraceptive society. Unchaste people are selfish people. They will not stop at murder if an unborn child would be a burden to their indulgence and sexual pleasure." - Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J
'other pregnant persons' = the mentally ill
Hard to believe the phrase 'pregnant women' is now politically incorrect.
It looks like the whole shitshow is going to have to bottom out before we can get better man.
And it's coming soon. This madness has to end...
No wonder home schooling is on the rise...
Can we change the title of this thread to "The Un-PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade"?
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 31, 2022, 06:44:29 AM
World "Health" Organisation want to give women more "freedom" so they can casually murder their babies. The blood of millions of children are crying out to Heaven for vengeance.
"The reason why we have such a massive slaughter of the innocents is because we have become a fornicating society, and adulterous society, a masturbating society, a homosexual society and a contraceptive society. Unchaste people are selfish people. They will not stop at murder if an unborn child would be a burden to their indulgence and sexual pleasure." - Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J
'other pregnant persons' = the mentally ill
Father Hard On
Quote from: 91/30 on March 31, 2022, 08:30:23 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on March 31, 2022, 06:44:29 AM
World "Health" Organisation want to give women more "freedom" so they can casually murder their babies. The blood of millions of children are crying out to Heaven for vengeance.
"The reason why we have such a massive slaughter of the innocents is because we have become a fornicating society, and adulterous society, a masturbating society, a homosexual society and a contraceptive society. Unchaste people are selfish people. They will not stop at murder if an unborn child would be a burden to their indulgence and sexual pleasure." - Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J
'other pregnant persons' = the mentally ill
Father Hard On
:laugh:
He's got a hard-on for sins of the flesh!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 31, 2022, 08:18:21 AM
Can we change the title of this thread to "The Un-PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade"?
Really did swing didn't it.
Speaking of 'sins of the flesh'... :laugh:
Macroom is the place to be bais.. :laugh: :laugh:
https://mobile.twitter.com/orlaredchan/status/1315747407125241857
Yeah, I doubt Father Hardon and his ilk have much good to say about prostitutes. Always an easy measure for determining just how far a "christian" is from being christ-like.
He'd be of the 'why pay for it when you can get it for free' brigade shure...
Literally KC's world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPlEIryW8zA
Between Sonia O'Sullivan's recent column and this, https://www.the42.ie/emily-bridges-cycling-5726041-Mar2022/ this topic is occurring more frequently this side of the pond. Not too long ago it'd have been ludicrous to think such situations could arise. Yet, here we are.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 31, 2022, 06:00:53 PM
Between Sonia O'Sullivan's recent column and this, https://www.the42.ie/emily-bridges-cycling-5726041-Mar2022/ this topic is occurring more frequently this side of the pond. Not too long ago it'd have been ludicrous to think such situations could arise. Yet, here we are.
I'd missed that article, thanks for pointing it out. Here's the link for anyone interested:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/sonia-o-sullivan-transgender-athletes-cannot-be-allowed-to-compete-in-women-s-sport-1.4834586 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/sonia-o-sullivan-transgender-athletes-cannot-be-allowed-to-compete-in-women-s-sport-1.4834586)
I have massive respect for O'Sullivan. She's clearly one of the greatest athletes to ever come from Ireland. The discourse around this topic is absolutely fraught with bad faith arguments and trolling. I need to read more about it before making a call, frankly. I agree with her that it is an issue that needs to be addressed promptly.
I wonder if they made a transgender category, where trans people all competed against each other leaving the male and female categories alone, would you quickly see a drop in the number of athletes claiming to be trans (male to female specifically). I wonder if a large portion of gender confused people would suddenly become unconfused. I deserve a fuckin Nobel Prize here.
There are (fairly outrageous) gender violence (name calling or public mocking count) laws here in Spain (a complaint with zero evidence is enough to get you a night in the cells). They'd be immediately trumped by American style 'yeah but I'm a woman' now.
Men have an enormous physical advantage over women which is not diluted to any great extent by hormone reduction/augmentation. It's either fairness or making sure non gender confirming athletes don't feel bad as far as I'm concerned. Combat sports should be an immediate no-no, whatever about others.
To go back to that swimming event a couple of weeks ago. The female competitors should have let yer man go on the starting bell, and when he tipped off the opposite end of the pool, that should be their prompt to start their own proper 'female event'...
It would give a nice big finger to the sports authorities too and give the ladies back their own sporting integrity that they've trained years for.
Because it must be demoralising for the girls to put in all those years of time, effort and money only to be gazumped by some willy tucking piss taker.
Sport is all about fair competition. And transgender athletes in women's sport means it's not a fair playing field so it's a hard no from me. That said the level of virtuol levelled at transgender athletes is disgusting.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 01, 2022, 06:50:20 AM
There are (fairly outrageous) gender violence (name calling or public mocking count) laws here in Spain (a complaint with zero evidence is enough to get you a night in the cells). They'd be immediately trumped by American style 'yeah but I'm a woman' now.
How often, really, do these laws you mention every chance you get end up being full-on abused? And is the extent of the effects of that abuse only a few fellas having to spend a night in the cell they didn't actually deserve? If so, not exactly the miscarriage of justice of the century, or even the month.
It's an deeply flawed and foolish law, plain and simple. It only applies to males in heterosexual relationships. You are being contrarian for whatever reason, whereas I know exactly what it's like to be in that position before being exonerated and apologised to by a judge. So there's that. You'd be singing a very different choon if you ended up being targeted by someone who knows perfectly well how the law works and how it can be abused.
Didn't really answer my question. Almost all laws are abused. Notably, rape laws have historically been abused to the benefit of the rapist. My question was about the real extent of abuse of this particular gender violence law, which may well be flawed and foolish, though it wouldn't be the only law that is. Drug laws are also flawed and foolish and often abused by police with the consequence of individuals who are little threat to society spending years in prison. How does this law you come back to over and over and over again compare, in real terms, to that? It's a genuine question, open to evidence that it really is an actual problem and vehicle of injustice that outweighs any of its potential benefits, again referring back to drug laws, which do generally do more harm than good.
That may be true, but once you've had the knee in your back and a two thousand euro solicitors bill over a load of bullshit (which only women can avail of), you might understand my loathing for this particular law.
Two thousand euros for a knee in your back has gotta sting alright, especially when for a fraction of that you could have had a gag in your mouth and a stiletto in your balls.
*Tumbleweed*
I am against male and female sports being separated. It is genderism and we should fight against it. Who has the right to say women can not do the exact same or better that men can. We, the REAL feminists say:"stop the inequality, we are all the same"!!!!
It should all be just, for example, football, or boxing...not female boxing, male boxing, etc, etc.....
The Guardian... again. ::)
This lad seems to have written a full article about the Grammy Awards just to use the final paragraph to virtue signal.
Was what Louis CK did OK? Definitely not.
Was it the worst thing that a celebrity has ever done and still been allowed to work? Definitely not.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/apr/04/the-grammys-get-behind-pop-classiest-artists-silk-sonic-jon-batiste-olivia-rodrigo-louis-ck
Time to cancel Boris...
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/recipes/2021/0408/1208550-chicken-kyiv-cook-in/
It's all happening in Sligo it seems...
https://twitter.com/EyeShotJR/status/1514031168609562630?t=aqWQsPcxLiHSJD6v6GPviw&s=19
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 13, 2022, 07:01:19 AM
It's all happening in Sligo it seems...
https://twitter.com/EyeShotJR/status/1514031168609562630?t=aqWQsPcxLiHSJD6v6GPviw&s=19
Two gays murdered it seems, what the peelers are calling 'hate related crime' without mentioning homophobia. That they were gays is by implication. Wonder why they cant explicitly say so instead of using coded terms.
Spewgle really is the pits...
Quote from: 91/30 on April 13, 2022, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 13, 2022, 07:01:19 AM
It's all happening in Sligo it seems...
https://twitter.com/EyeShotJR/status/1514031168609562630?t=aqWQsPcxLiHSJD6v6GPviw&s=19
Two gays murdered it seems, what the peelers are calling 'hate related crime' without mentioning homophobia. That they were gays is by implication. Wonder why they cant explicitly say so instead of using coded terms.
Any word on who knobbled the uphill gardeners yet?
So the NY subway attacker was a virulent anti-white racist, who also hates Asians.
'DOMESTIC TERROR..., oooh, wait he's a black man, turn off the mic'!
Unsurprising that the media is losing interest in this story very rapidly indeed. Don't ask questions! More Ukraine!
There's a lot to unpack here, but 'No Tricolours'.?
Ya, I'd have an issue with that. No tri-colours but EU encouraged? Nonsense.
First response to anything KC posts without a source (i.e. almost everything) is to doubt its veracity, not react to its content. Could be genuine, could also be exactly the kind of shite that gets thrown together just to make people believe things "like this" are going on.
Lads. "A cross border initiative between Sinn Féin and Fine Gael" doesn't ring alarm bells?
Why not? They're all the same gouging cunts anyway.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 14, 2022, 09:44:43 AM
So the NY subway attacker was a virulent anti-white racist, who also hates Asians.
'DOMESTIC TERROR..., oooh, wait he's a black man, turn off the mic'!
Unsurprising that the media is losing interest in this story very rapidly indeed. Don't ask questions! More Ukraine!
The Irish media take on it... :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 14, 2022, 09:44:43 AM
So the NY subway attacker was a virulent anti-white racist, who also hates Asians.
'DOMESTIC TERROR..., oooh, wait he's a black man, turn off the mic'!
Unsurprising that the media is losing interest in this story very rapidly indeed. Don't ask questions! More Ukraine!
It's the US: a shooting in which (luckily) no one is killed slips off the news pretty quickly. But don't worry, even ultra liberal CNN stuck the "terrorism" label right up in their headline about the story today:
"Subway shooting suspect faces terrorism-related charge in federal court"
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/14/us/brooklyn-subway-shooting-thursday/index.html
But why no mention of the fact that he's a violent black racist who hates white people in particular? No hate crime, no fawning by celebrities? Loads of other examples of this, like when that car drove itself into a lash of white grannies and children.
There's a clear double standard in how this stuff is reported.
That silly fuckin' eejit who made up the noose and bleach story, all made up, obviously so, yet CNN and others blew it up like it was Sobibor.
Yeah, that's all true too. CNN suck, though they did cover this lad's YouTube channel in some detail. Seems like he was a misanthrope more than anything, often even having a go at fellow African Americans. Still don't think it's too surprising this latest story is disappearing though. No shortage of b-leading stories.
Eh, I'll take the extra days holiday, ta
They all suck, especially the Irish Independent and the BBC from the ones I look at daily. I kind of get it if it's an independent outlet, they can report as they see fit. But for the BBC to fart out so much biased shite when they are publicly funded is unforgivable.
RTE website is far less hysterical if you ask me.
How it started....
And how it's going....
It's a bizarre enough alliance between the left and Islam, totally nuts for the gays to go out marching 'in solidarity' with a religion that vehemently despises them.
LGBT does WWJD, gets called totally nuts.
Tells the story of where the media is at, amongst other things...
Get Tucker Carlson and the whole Fox crew to interview and lionize Darrell Brooks and we'll all have no problem remembering his name. Retarded comparison. Brooks hasn't even gone to trial yet, so there's still a chance he'll give an Oscar-winning performance that will again make it easier for us to recall him.
Rittenhouse was plastered all over the world's media literally the second it happened.
Oh yeah, he's white and killed a couple of peedoh Antifa Jew boys... Das rite...
Kyle Rittenhouse was interviewed by Tucker Carlson two days after the Waukesha attack, just to put into perspective who at that point was pushing Rittenhouse to the forefront of the media, taking up space from other stories.
http://trinitynews.ie/2022/04/editorial-gardai-should-not-be-welcome-at-trinity-ball/
This is pretty funny, the most privileged young people in the country demanding they be allowed to break the law without police presence. Now I'm not even against drug taking, but churning out the 'Irish guards are racist/homophobic/transphobic' for an article that boils down to 'Rich kids should be allowed to break the law without consequence' is pretty fucking dumb.
My old man used to work security at these events too and said it's fucking carnage, 'breaking the law' goes far beyond taking drugs, some of the stuff that happens at them is actually pretty grim from what I remember him saying.
Laughable article from a nauseating undergraduate who has transposed his 'views' directly from his Twitter feed.
Make him read it in ten years or read it out at his wedding. Embarrass the hole off him.
Laughable indeed. No wider commentary on undercover policing though, after all the riff-raff in, say, Ballymun or Darndale are fair-game for stop and search. Fintan and Bruscar in Trinners should be allowed to get coked-off their tits, and who knows, maybe even slip some lucky lady a little extra into her drink without some filthy working class rozzer sticking their oar in. Not only that, but in the event the poor sod gets arrested, Trinity should be obliged to provide some kind of concierge service to and from the Garda Station (those not in the know will probably be shocked to learn that Trinity is covered by Pearse Street Garda Station, and therefore the unfortunate student will have to endure a full minute in the back of a paddy wagon, an eternity to contemplate the error of his ways, although not necessarily an impediment to joining the Law Society...). Holy fuck, the actual lunacy that some prick in Trinity feels oppressed. Seriously fuck this guy/gal.
Harris should send a couple of Armed Support Units to the ball for a laugh.
Police aren't allowed enter university grounds in an official capacity in France, except in very particular scenarios. Text is worded as only an insufferable Trinner knows how, but coupled with the call for nationwide decriminalization of all drugs (which would also cover the boys in Darndale), what's being requested isn't totally out of this world.
Fuck me
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-61149449
Who the fuck would bring their 5 year old to something like that!? I have a young lad who is nearly 10, and not a hope. What is more, I'd fuck his mother out of it in public if I found out she did.
Let them enjoy their innocence, I cannot get my head around this bullshit about trying to 'educate' children about 'queerness' who believe in Santy, screech with excitement over small presents and events and sleep in superman pyjamas. Fuck off, gang of degenerate cunts.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 19, 2022, 08:10:31 PM
I'd fuck his mother out of it in public
It'd just be confused for part of the show.
Jokes aside, it's only a matter of time before this kind of public action will be condemned as whatever -phobic and this slithers and crawls it's way from being outrageous to 'acceptable'.
What's next?
I dunno. I'm not into cancelling stuff and certainly not into people sending threats to other people. Isn't that how Antifa operates?
I do think that the idea of bringing a five year old to a show with adults walking around nude is a bit bizarre. I would simply choose not to go. There will always be an audience for shit like this, particularly as it appeals to a woke mindset. You're not going to protest wokeness out of existence but you can at least try to bring your own kids up with whichever set of values you think is important.
Edit. There is something Monty Python-esque in the idea of an adult seeing a group of children and thinking, I know, I'll take off all my clothes and teach them about gender!
Cue police van screeching around the corner!
There was somebody who did a screen shot from the shows website. I thought it was a fake until I went to the site and saw it for myself
https://twitter.com/Teacake4000/status/1516358641716244480?t=TATgQuLcl25tX5pWeocONQ&s=19
Christ on a fucking yamaha
I'm at a loss as to what motivates these people.
All this stuff coincides with puberty and should occur organically. Mentally ill doctrinaire woke pond life like the organisers have no place in 'educating' anybody on anything, let alone corrupting children under a benign veil.
The point above stands though , vote with your feet. Firebomb their houses etc etc but you make martyrs out of the cunts.
I saw a lad on Twitter the other day trying to make the case for acceptance of (this was a new one for me) MAPs as part of the queer community.
I wasn't exactly offended as much as I thought it's high time for an oul asteroid impact. No fuck it I was a bit put out tbh.
It was always going to be the logical conclusion though wasn't it
Quote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2022, 03:45:03 PM
I saw a lad on Twitter the other day trying to make the case for acceptance of (this was a new one for me) MAPs as part of the queer community.
I wasn't exactly offended as much as I thought it's high time for an oul asteroid impact. No fuck it I was a bit put out tbh.
It was always going to be the logical conclusion though wasn't it
Sometimes I wonder if people say this stuff, just to wind people up. Surely nobody with half a brain would do this for real?
Twitter really is no place for reasonable debate especially when the words trans, jkrowling, terf, GC are involved
I do enjoy the retro gaming community there. They're all good eggs. Jazza Rignal posts alot of the time and answers most of my questions.
MAP is code word for paedo?
Yeah it's paedos. Looking for acceptance into the community. I actually don't think the chap was taking the piss because he locked his account once he started getting popular instead of saying he was on the wind up. A tough sell but I can see the sort of logic that gets people to that point.
Some hellhole Twitter but I'm learning how to make it good so I can look at pictures of space and science shit
Quote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2022, 09:04:19 PM
Some hellhole Twitter but I'm learning how to make it good so I can look at pictures of space and science shit
If you can set it up, Twitter can be great. Ive just recently got my shit sorted and stick to what I like. I am tempted to set up a second fake account and just troll the trans debates.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2022, 09:04:19 PM
Yeah it's paedos. Looking for acceptance into the community. I actually don't think the chap was taking the piss because he locked his account once he started getting popular instead of saying he was on the wind up. A tough sell but I can see the sort of logic that gets people to that point.
Some hellhole Twitter but I'm learning how to make it good so I can look at pictures of space and science shit
It's a fake outrage thing that stems from 4chan over a decade ago. Don't fall for it.
Just editing to add that I was a very regular user on that site for years (mostly /v/ and /mu/) and at the time saw heaps of posts about how to astroturf any LGBT discussion with this shit. Infographic guidelines and lads spending months setting up tumblr pages that looked and behaved very legit but were just there to troll others. Thanks to Poe's law and the usefulness of this debate to others, it lives on.
This is I think the third time the MAPs thing has circled around on this forum itself.
Minor Attracted Person. It's like a mid nineties Simpsons skit.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 22, 2022, 10:22:20 AM
This is I think the third time the MAPs thing has circled around on this forum itself.
I definitely mentioned it before when there was that Australian story about not upsetting them by calling them paedos. As I said, it seems to me like the logical progression that once all other niches get their acceptance that the more underground stuff will want theirs.
Is it a line that'll never be crossed? I don't know anymore because there's different attitudes to things across time and place. Like it'd be rare now for someone to marry a 13 year old but that didn't stop it being the done thing once upon a time.
And do they have a fair point, that the rest of the world shouldn't ostracise someone for having different sexual preferences to the norm? People used to be just as horrified by the thoughts of two men going at it but now no-one gives a fuck. So whether it's a wind up originating from 4chan or whether this time someone really means it doesn't matter because the question exists now. I have my own opinion of it but that won't prevent someone else from using a totally different logic on it. And to go back to the Australian thing at the time, is it ok to admit to being map if one doesn't act on it, like would you hang around with someone who was sexually attracted to kids if they definitely weren't going to do anything about it?
I dunno it seems like the ultimate minefield however minor (!) it might be in the grand scheme of things and when we have a thread for PC and offended it's surely the place for it. Like here's me being anti PC and giving out about the offended but there's something to offend me and probably everyone else even if no-one is actually physically hurting anyone.
Or we can just use the thread to give out about either side of US politics as we have been doing.
It's a line that was systematically crossed up until really not that long ago at all. Hooking it now onto the LGBT crowd is 99.9% tabloid sensationalism, 0.01% genuine problem. For the sake of your own mental health, and that of anyone you would otherwise mention it to, forget all about it.
Of course hooking it to LGBT is ridiculous. I'm not equating the two at all like I don't think there's any connection other than that someone could use the same logic around acceptance for others who can't help being who they are. Like the tweet in question asked of acceptance into the queer community, that wasn't my words and tbf I imagine the queer community aren't going to want these lads either but that's how they came into it this time at least. It could be a wider discussion but here's something that appears to be abhorrent to everyone and yet the argument of acceptance if it doesn't hurt anyone could be applied (as in they've admitted it but don't act on it) but now I'm the one offended by the notion so do I need to rethink my own ideas around acceptance or simply accept that I'll never be able to accept something like that and at the same time if I visit some place where marrying say 14 year olds is their thing, and I accept the cultural difference does that mean I'm okay with kiddie fiddlers when it suits me?
I just like to think about the different angles of things where it concerns my own reaction to it. It's a real minefield but I'm only shooting the breeze around the awkward questions. I still have my gut reaction to work off when the complex logical arguments around morality fail to guide me! :laugh:
Edit: on second thoughts, let's not go to Camelot. Tis a silly place
This thing regarding paedos is a tricky one. I am totally against it, but maybe I'm just a product of the Western world.
It is a totally normal thing on the Middle East for example, the same as having sexual relationships with sheep or marrying and having children between cousins.
Quote from: warhead on April 25, 2022, 09:14:34 PM
It is a totally normal thing on the Middle East for example, the same as having sexual relationships with sheep or marrying and having children between cousins.
Arkansas is in the Middle East?
Well, it is in the eastern half if you split the USA down the middle, maybe that's what warhead meant.
Quote from: warhead on April 25, 2022, 09:14:34 PM
This thing regarding paedos is a tricky one. I am totally against it, but maybe I'm just a product of the Western world.
It is a totally normal thing on the Middle East for example, the same as having sexual relationships with sheep or marrying and having children between cousins.
Hmmmm, Baljas are baljas, right? ;)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 25, 2022, 10:40:09 PM
Well, it is in the eastern half if you split the USA down the middle, maybe that's what warhead meant.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on April 25, 2022, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: warhead on April 25, 2022, 09:14:34 PM
It is a totally normal thing on the Middle East for example, the same as having sexual relationships with sheep or marrying and having children between cousins.
Arkansas is in the Middle East?
I didn't mean to say I think Arkansas is in the Middle East. English is not my native tongue so I apologize if I made it look that way(to be honest though, I've got it confirmed that most of Irish people are quite deficit when it comes to speaking/writing English too).
I wanted to say that most of the Western hemisphere are having different traditions than most of the people living in the Eastern hemisphere. Western hemisphere being countries like Croatia, Ireland or USA, Eastern hemisphere being a country like Afghanistan for example.
Most of people in the Western hemisphere consider fucking 12 year olds or having children with your cousin to be a no no, while most of the people in the Eastern hemisphere considers it to be a perfectly normal thing
So..what I wanted to say in an ironical way is the following.....who has the right to say that what the majority of people living in Arkansas considers as normal is the right way? Maybe the MAP's living in Arkansas are actually behaving the normal way if you would look at how people in for example Afghanistan behave.
Maybe the way the west sees things is wrong, and what the eastern sees is right.
I hope I've made myself a little bit more clear now, if not, well, feck it......
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 26, 2022, 01:36:24 AM
Quote from: warhead on April 25, 2022, 09:14:34 PM
This thing regarding paedos is a tricky one. I am totally against it, but maybe I'm just a product of the Western world.
It is a totally normal thing on the Middle East for example, the same as having sexual relationships with sheep or marrying and having children between cousins.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on April 26, 2022, 01:36:24 AM
Quote from: warhead on April 25, 2022, 09:14:34 PM
This thing regarding paedos is a tricky one. I am totally against it, but maybe I'm just a product of the Western world.
It is a totally normal thing on the Middle East for example, the same as having sexual relationships with sheep or marrying and having children between cousins.
Hmmmm, Baljas are baljas, right? ;)
Hmmmm, Baljas are baljas, right? ;)
Well, not all of them are the same, off course :-)
Your English is fine. Your humour and knowledge of the real world both need some serious work though.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 26, 2022, 06:48:26 PM
Your English is fine. Your humour and knowledge of the real world both need some serious work though.
Thanks for the compliment, I do unironically appreciate it.
My humor sucks, I do agree on that.
Regarding my supposed lack of knowledge of the real world....well, I know I don't know a lot, but I sure know something, I sure know something......
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRWzzazWUAAKGdp?format=jpg&name=small)
Prophet.
Glad I didn't go to a university as wanky as this
https://youtu.be/zxvyeZa1YSIn
Edit- I just noticed around 14.10 mark a student tells the man that he used 'she' when describing the 'non binary' person but she used she herself...
This case is some load of shite, are the courts going to give him a custodial sentence for putting his hand on some mad bitches tits?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/1298336-micheal-o-leidhin-court/
Fuck me, that is insane. If the lady is that emotionally fragile she should come with a warning sticker. The dude is being completely stitched up.
That is fuckin mental.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on May 14, 2022, 02:03:12 PM
Glad I didn't go to a university as wanky as this
https://youtu.be/zxvyeZa1YSIn
This sent me down the oul YT rabbit hole of course, and I found another campus video where he interviews a lad in a Bathory shirt :abbath: :abbath:
There's hope yet! :)
Quote from: 91/30 on May 17, 2022, 09:04:40 PM
This case is some load of shite, are the courts going to give him a custodial sentence for putting his hand on some mad bitches tits?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/1298336-micheal-o-leidhin-court/
Fucking he'll.
Jaysus, most of us would have been in some kind of a similar situation resembling that aswell.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 18, 2022, 05:12:40 PM
Jaysus, most of us would have been in some kind of a similar situation resembling that aswell.
Rapist.
:-[
https://youtu.be/42ivIRd9N8E
This looks interesting.
It does. Will this be a Netflix/Amazon thing or am I gonna have to go to another subscription service?
I'd as soon watch a film about women's rights made by the Saudi government as a "documentary" about trans rights made by The Daily Wire.
It's not a documentary about 'trans' rights.
Quote from: 91/30 on May 17, 2022, 09:04:40 PM
This case is some load of shite, are the courts going to give him a custodial sentence for putting his hand on some mad bitches tits?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/1298336-micheal-o-leidhin-court/
"his client accepted the jury's verdict and had expressed his remorse and regret"
The complainant is lucky the jury of his peers wasn't taken exclusively from users here, especially seeing as they so easily formed their own steadfast opinions after witnessing none of the trial 🤔
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 18, 2022, 07:55:28 PM
It's not a documentary about 'trans' rights.
Exactly. From the trailer it reminds me of Bill Maher's unbearable "documentary" about religion, which was also mainly him being smug and baiting people in order to accrue more smugness. And look where it all got him: he got so smug, his face melted into Odo from DS9!
I saw that that one. All I kept thinking was 'what an asshole'.
He is the living embodiment of an asshole.
Quote from: Snare on May 18, 2022, 08:56:17 PM
Quote from: 91/30 on May 17, 2022, 09:04:40 PM
This case is some load of shite, are the courts going to give him a custodial sentence for putting his hand on some mad bitches tits?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/1298336-micheal-o-leidhin-court/
"his client accepted the jury's verdict and had expressed his remorse and regret"
The complainant is lucky the jury of his peers wasn't taken exclusively from users here, especially seeing as they so easily formed their own steadfast opinions after witnessing none of the trial 🤔
Well put.
It's a public trial and the details are uncontested by either party, and are there to be read within that article. What's the issue? We have drawn a different conclusion to you therefore we aren't allowed to voice our opinions?
I think the dude made a mistake by straddling her while she was asleep, but given the rest of the details (how he stopped as soon as she asked him to and how they had been, up until a short amount of time before, engaging in consensual sexual activity and both were very drunk) I don't think that his behaviour warrants having his life ruined. I also believe, maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me, that she must have a back story. Could an act like that really make her suicidal and result in such a fallout in every aspect of her life? Maybe this was more of a triggering episode that awakened some pre- existing PTSD. That would seem a more likely scenario, but he can hardly be blamed for that?
Who knows. I think that in this case and from my point of view (as morally reprehensible as it seems to be), the punishment far outweighs the crime.
Sure look it.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 19, 2022, 04:44:15 AM
It's a public trial and the details are uncontested by either party, and are there to be read within that article. What's the issue? We have drawn a different conclusion to you therefore we aren't allowed to voice our opinions?
I think the dude made a mistake by straddling her while she was asleep, but given the rest of the details (how he stopped as soon as she asked him to and how they had been, up until a short amount of time before, engaging in consensual sexual activity and both were very drunk) I don't think that his behaviour warrants having his life ruined. I also believe, maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me, that she must have a back story. Could an act like that really make her suicidal and result in such a fallout in every aspect of her life? Maybe this was more of a triggering episode that awakened some pre- existing PTSD. That would seem a more likely scenario, but he can hardly be blamed for that?
Who knows. I think that in this case and from my point of view (as morally reprehensible as it seems to be), the punishment far outweighs the crime.
Sure look it.
And all could be valid points. Wasn't saying no one could voice their opinion. Only agreeing with snare that there's a big difference between the information available in a newspaper article and a full trial. Does his life need to be ruined. Probably not but who knows. If there's anything to be learnt maybe it's that if you get with a woman for the first time if she's asleep don't get up on her and start groping her.
Definitely a bad move.
Quote from: Ollkiller on May 19, 2022, 08:44:32 AMQuote from: Eoin McLove on May 19, 2022, 04:44:15 AMIt's a public trial and the details are uncontested by either party, and are there to be read within that article. What's the issue? We have drawn a different conclusion to you therefore we aren't allowed to voice our opinions?
I think the dude made a mistake by straddling her while she was asleep, but given the rest of the details (how he stopped as soon as she asked him to and how they had been, up until a short amount of time before, engaging in consensual sexual activity and both were very drunk) I don't think that his behaviour warrants having his life ruined. I also believe, maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me, that she must have a back story. Could an act like that really make her suicidal and result in such a fallout in every aspect of her life? Maybe this was more of a triggering episode that awakened some pre- existing PTSD. That would seem a more likely scenario, but he can hardly be blamed for that?
Who knows. I think that in this case and from my point of view (as morally reprehensible as it seems to be), the punishment far outweighs the crime.
Sure look it.
And all could be valid points. Wasn't saying no one could voice their opinion. Only agreeing with snare that there's a big difference between the information available in a newspaper article and a full trial. Does his life need to be ruined. Probably not but who knows. If there's anything to be learnt maybe it's that if you get with a woman for the first time if she's asleep don't get up on her and start groping her.
Quote from: Snare on May 18, 2022, 08:56:17 PMQuote from: 91/30 on May 17, 2022, 09:04:40 PMThis case is some load of shite, are the courts going to give him a custodial sentence for putting his hand on some mad bitches tits?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/1298336-micheal-o-leidhin-court/
"his client accepted the jury's verdict and had expressed his remorse and regret"
The complainant is lucky the jury of his peers wasn't taken exclusively from users here, especially seeing as they so easily formed their own steadfast opinions after witnessing none of the trial 🤔
Quote from: Ollkiller on May 19, 2022, 08:44:32 AMQuote from: Eoin McLove on May 19, 2022, 04:44:15 AMIt's a public trial and the details are uncontested by either party, and are there to be read within that article. What's the issue? We have drawn a different conclusion to you therefore we aren't allowed to voice our opinions?
I think the dude made a mistake by straddling her while she was asleep, but given the rest of the details (how he stopped as soon as she asked him to and how they had been, up until a short amount of time before, engaging in consensual sexual activity and both were very drunk) I don't think that his behaviour warrants having his life ruined. I also believe, maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me, that she must have a back story. Could an act like that really make her suicidal and result in such a fallout in every aspect of her life? Maybe this was more of a triggering episode that awakened some pre- existing PTSD. That would seem a more likely scenario, but he can hardly be blamed for that?
Who knows. I think that in this case and from my point of view (as morally reprehensible as it seems to be), the punishment far outweighs the crime.
Sure look it.
And all could be valid points. Wasn't saying no one could voice their opinion. Only agreeing with snare that there's a big difference between the information available in a newspaper article and a full trial. Does his life need to be ruined. Probably not but who knows. If there's anything to be learnt maybe it's that if you get with a woman for the first time if she's asleep don't get up on her and start groping her.
Maybe he sensed that she was mentally deranged and pleaded guilty as damage control. #believeher #metoo #shitinhisbed
Quote from: 91/30 on May 19, 2022, 11:40:56 AM
Haha, get to fuck, she's arse naked in your bed, gave you a blow job half an hour ago - of course you'd grope her tits to see if you'd get a bit more action.
A jury of peers, I wonder about that, probably a bunch of middle class jackeens. His solicitor probably knew he hadn't a chance and took the line of least resistance in hope of a lighter sentence
See the issue is that she went to sleep and he got on top of her and groped her. This is where he got into trouble. So no I don't agree feeling up a woman you've just met while she is asleep if appropriate behaviour. If you do that's your issue.
Whoever his counsel is is a moron. I wonder did he give a statement before talking to lawyer. His defence would be better off if he said he just went to sleep.
These type of cases don't go to court very easily either. I had to give a statement a while ago about an allegation against someone else at a house. Statements did not add up to the picture painted by the accuser so never went to court.
Most cases never go to court. So in most cases (not all obviously) there has to reliability in the statements.
Yer man must have knowingly or unknowingly admitted to what happened in the texts it says were exchanged the next day, precluding claiming it hadn't happened in court.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 19, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Yer man must have knowingly or unknowingly admitted to what happened in the texts it says were exchanged the next day, precluding claiming it hadn't happened in court.
That's the crux of it. Somewhere along the line there was probably evidence he admitted to it.
Quote from: Ollkiller on May 19, 2022, 01:19:17 PMQuote from: 91/30 on May 19, 2022, 11:40:56 AMHaha, get to fuck, she's arse naked in your bed, gave you a blow job half an hour ago - of course you'd
See the issue is that she went to sleep and he got on top of her and groped her. This is where he got into trouble. So no I don't agree feeling up a woman you've just met while she is asleep if appropriate behaviour. If you do that's your issue.
On behalf of the less rapey population from west of the Shannon, I disagree.
Quote from: 91/30 on May 19, 2022, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on May 19, 2022, 01:19:17 PM
Quote from: 91/30 on May 19, 2022, 11:40:56 AM
Haha, get to fuck, she's arse naked in your bed, gave you a blow job half an hour ago - of course you'd
See the issue is that she went to sleep and he got on top of her and groped her. This is where he got into trouble. So no I don't agree feeling up a woman you've just met while she is asleep if appropriate behaviour. If you do that's your issue.
Hahaha...'feeling up a woman that just sucked his cock you mean'...'just met' haha
"appropriate behaviour" that phrase doesn't exist west of the river Shannon. If yer knickers are off you are going to have the hole ridden off you.
It does.
Quote from: 91/30 on May 19, 2022, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on May 19, 2022, 01:19:17 PM
Quote from: 91/30 on May 19, 2022, 11:40:56 AM
Haha, get to fuck, she's arse naked in your bed, gave you a blow job half an hour ago - of course you'd
See the issue is that she went to sleep and he got on top of her and groped her. This is where he got into trouble. So no I don't agree feeling up a woman you've just met while she is asleep if appropriate behaviour. If you do that's your issue.
Hahaha...'feeling up a woman that just sucked his cock you mean'...'just met' haha
"appropriate behaviour" that phrase doesn't exist west of the river Shannon. If yer knickers are off you are going to have the hole ridden off you.
Your mindset is fucked lad and as a west of the shannon person like open face I also disagree.
Small bit rapey there 91/30, and that's from someone who shouts out bullshit like a knacker at womens marches.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 19, 2022, 04:30:05 PMSmall bit rapey there 91/30, and that's from someone who shouts out bullshit like a knacker at womens marches.
It's not so much a phrase as just two words put together. You might never have heard the "phrase" turquoise crow, but you can conjure up what it means, right?
Everybody keep this lad talking, he's 4 posts away from admitting an actual rape.
Turquoise crow!? No more drinking on school nights for me.
Sometimes I'd be tempted to read back a few pages and get on the merry go round in this thread and then I do and I'm sorry.
NPR in the US have come out with a bit of a hit piece on Matt Pike. It's a bit of a slog but it basically suggests that just because he's mad into conspiracy theories he must be a massive racist/anti-semite.
I don't know what people expect from their favourite acid brained rock musicians, but I don't exactly expect a sound mind from mine. Matt Pike's been taking acid since he was like 12, and they're surprised he's a bit weird.
Until he actually says/does something hateful it just seems like a massive reach tbh.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1080581581/can-matt-pike-face-the-music?t=1653056333159
Quote from: 91/30 on May 19, 2022, 02:34:09 PM
"appropriate behaviour" that phrase doesn't exist west of the river Shannon. If yer knickers are off you are going to have the hole ridden off you.
When I was 6 years old, I stood up at the front of the school bus and pulled down my jocks and trousers in front of everybody.
Thank fuck I was East of the Shannon, or I'd have been diddled by somebody who didn't have the vocabulary to realise that my behaviour wasn't appropriate :-X
Quote from: ldj on May 20, 2022, 03:30:17 PM
NPR in the US have come out with a bit of a hit piece on Matt Pike. It's a bit of a slog but it basically suggests that just because he's mad into conspiracy theories he must be a massive racist/anti-semite.
I don't know what people expect from their favourite acid brained rock musicians, but I don't exactly expect a sound mind from mine. Matt Pike's been taking acid since he was like 12, and they're surprised he's a bit weird.
Until he actually says/does something hateful it just seems like a massive reach tbh.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1080581581/can-matt-pike-face-the-music?t=1653056333159
Absolute poison. Fuck that author and his little bitch friend, Grossman. They are potentially on the cusp of fuckin up a person's life, a person that they claim to like both personally and musically, while making jokes about it at the end. I wish nothing but the worst for them both.
Gotta catch all the witches.
19 kids shot dead in Texas? Really? Do you honestly believe that?! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! It's an RTÉ smokescreen... Hello!
Brexit, Covid, "war" in Ukraine (HA!), "potholes" in Leitrim, and now this? It's so fucking transparent.
Putin abu!
Those "potholes" are trained crisis actors.
DoN'T fALl 4 deRe PoLiTRix!
Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.
Unless there's a bayonet on the end, then guns kill people.
Or then do knives kill people?
Such a minefield
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
https://mobile.twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1529555038246428672
Can't think of a better way to honour the memory of those kids than thinking about George Floyd
What a prick!
Jesus.
Was that posted before of what happened became public!? Jesus that's a bit off.
Might be a fake account. It seems wildly insensitive if not.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on May 26, 2022, 09:17:46 AM
Was that posted before of what happened became public!? Jesus that's a bit off.
After, since he references it ;)
Genuine tweet from his genuine account. Weird flex alright.
I only skimmed read it and saw George Floyd stuff.
Maybe a hack? But then if you're gonna hack, your going to do something really bad. Like date "Joe biden is my fav pedo" or something
It's definitely real and it gets funnier the more I think of it. What a salesman! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
If you scroll down, he had loads of tweets and retweets about the shooting. I don't see an issue with it outside of it all being nonsense.
It was a Hispanic lad who did the shooting, so I assume he tweeted that to make sure we don't get distracted from the real issues.
He's not the only one I've seen bringing up George Floyd over the last day. Another was saying that this is what happens when we make a hero of George Floyd and not the cops etc. It's ridiculous. Leave it out of the same tweet at least on the day anyway.
George Floyd is up there with Baal in the pantheon of false gods.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 26, 2022, 06:16:43 PM
He's not the only one I've seen bringing up George Floyd over the last day.
It's because, by some damnable synchronicity, it was exactly 2 years yesterday since Floyd was killed.
I also saw a picture of the shooter in a dress which doesn't seem to have made the media.
I thought all the cross-dressing photos turned out to be of someone else? Conservatives backed out of some of their comments to that effect. Candace Owens kicked off on it anyway, claiming cross-dressing is a sign of mental disease and a symptom of a diseased society which is the "root cause" of what happened. Which, of course, wouldn't in any way explain why things like this only happen in the US, where an 18 year old dressed in whatever fucking way can get their hands on two assault weapons.
Jonnny Knoxville is a gay icon now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2022, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on May 26, 2022, 06:16:43 PM
He's not the only one I've seen bringing up George Floyd over the last day.
It's because, by some damnable synchronicity, it was exactly 2 years yesterday since Floyd was killed.
Oh right. I still reckon they could leave whatever their agenda is out of the same tweet where that shooting is mentioned. Just give George his own unrelated tweet, it's that easy. I found it more to be funny than having actual feelings about it one way or the other anyway.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 26, 2022, 10:20:24 PM
Jonnny Knoxville is a gay icon now.
How'd that happen? Or am I missing a joke?
Here's one that's a bit more fun than the usual fare
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/rio-ferdinand-raises-racism-case-between-brother-anton-and-john-terry-in-fragile-ego-war-of-words/304658
I think you can clearly see from the footage at the time that Terry did not racially abuse Anton Ferdinand. A funny defence from Ferdinand bringing the racism charge into things when he could have simply brought up the undisputed allegation of Terry banging Wayne Bridge's missus.
Watched that Ricky Gervais Netflix show. Not bad. Some good jokes thst I Will offend some folk.
", There's lots of funny women. .like ....... Ummmm ....... Dame Edna and......erm ....... Eddie izzard..."
Got a few good laughs out of it but he's sorta treading water at this stage.
Family Friendly Drag Show.
https://youtu.be/VIR7Xk52jLY
Sodom and Gomorrah-esque.
From that vid:
QuoteI don't believe that I should be seeing signs advertising for children to be dancing on stage with men in thongs, and in inappropriate clothing and make-up.
Can't say that I disagree with her.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2022, 02:50:34 AM
Sodom and Gomorrah-esque.
A lot more like mardi-gras esque tbh.
With kids there, in a gay bar? Giving bank notes to these people as if they were strippers?
Child abuse, pure and simple.
Sure what isn't child abuse about choosing to raise a kid in the US? Are you really American if you've not been thoroughly brainwashed one way or the other as a kid?
Has the idea of keeping children away from sexual imagery, atmospheres and such been completely thrown out the window? Or is it OK once the environment is gay.
It's just the usual maniacs, what do you expect at this stage. They are a lost cause.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 09, 2022, 11:51:39 AM
Sure what isn't child abuse about choosing to raise a kid in the US? Are you really American if you've not been thoroughly brainwashed one way or the other as a kid?
It's debatable but this shit is indefensible. It's not even about the never ending gay shit, children should be shielded from being sexualised, certainly not being dragged by their parents to clap like drones at things they have no concept of or capacity to understand. 10 years ago, that was nigh on a universal truth.
So when a kid asks what the "it ain't going to lick itself" sign in the back means, do you explain or show them, asking for a friend?
Ah it's not the gay or straight element to it at all really, it is just the early sexualisation part that's weird. I mean you wouldn't watch porn with the kids, especially after seeing what happened to Pat Shortt in Garage, but especially not at all anyway
Some interesting stuff in this. Sabine Hossenfelder normally does physics videos, but she knows her way around scientific results which is what matters here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ9YAFYIBOU
Look it if someone wants to live their life as a different sex than they were born then that's their thing. It's not terribly convincing to the casual observer but sure let em off. It's a fad anyway and will go the way of other fads once no-one is offended by it.
Solved the sports issue too while writing this. Have the men's, women's and trans categories and problem solved. The fun part will be when the folks in the trans category start saying it's unfair competing against the opposite sex but, yknow, fuck em and all that.
Video is worth watching. All that is discussed, including advantages and disadvantages of your proposed solution.
I watched a bit of that, but I just found it really distracting how her top and bottom teeth barely seperate when she's talking
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-13/who-weighs-renaming-monkeypox-virus-to-minimize-stigma-racism
Tedros focusing on the real problems, just like he always does.
😂😂😂😂 So dumb.
I seen that some singer called 'Lizzo' decided to change a lyric in her song because 'spazz' is an 'ableist' slur. I can't keep up.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on June 15, 2022, 06:45:19 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-13/who-weighs-renaming-monkeypox-virus-to-minimize-stigma-racism
Tedros focusing on the real problems, just like he always does.
Too many people laughing at monkeypox, way too meme-able. It needs a better name for both headlines of terror and potential vaccine sales. "Smallpox Lite" maybe or why not something like "the gays disease" to really push the shits up people? (I'll get my coat, sorry lads)
On a more serious note, I was reading that all bar one of the UK cases are gay men but that's not in the headlines much for some reason. I did see one thing, I think from the NHS, that people most at risk are "gay men, bisexuals and men who have sex with men". Outside of the Miami Mega Jail, I'd have thought the third cohort would be covered between the first two or have I fallen even farther behind the times?
Also if it turns out to be very bad there'll be a fair bit of the boy who cried wolf after covid and the "no-one is safe until everyone is safe" lark.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 15, 2022, 07:18:13 AM
😂😂😂😂 So dumb.
I seen that some singer called 'Lizzo' decided to change a lyric in her song because 'spazz' is an 'ableist' slur. I can't keep up.
Perfect time for a Spazztic Blurr reunion, then.
https://www.ign.com/articles/halo-infinite-offensive-juneteenth-cosmetic-343-apologizes?taid=62ae2834d895b000017b5feb&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Manual&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
Here's one that I reckon is both unnecessary taking of offence and surely a bit of divilment at the same time. The reason I call divilment is because no way is anything like that done these days without some cunt googling it first.
And at the heart of it all, I honestly think it's advertising at its absolute (best or worst) and I wonder how much of the whole offended culture stems from exactly that. It's worse to not be talked about etc and there's fantastic money on offer.
Once you see it, yeah?
who fucking cares
Nobody cares, the point was that I think the pretend offence is simply an advertising tactic and that hadn't really dawned on me until yesterday. I wonder how much of the outrage in general is also that.
In either case, the best defense is to ignore as much of it as possible, from both sides.
You're dead right, it's a load of bollix and to be fair i should know better
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/joe-lycett-investigated-by-police-after-offended-audience-member-complains-about-joke-at-comedy-show-12637982
For fuck sake, why did the police even tolerate that nonsense?
Sign of the times, sadly.
He should be reported to the guards for being an unfunny cunt.
Fuck sake. But sure I read that Kyle Rittenhouse is rumoured to be bringing legal action against Bill Burr after Burr made a joke about him at a comedy show.
Kyle Rittenhouse - a lad who drove from Illinois to Wisconsin to shoot people with his (illegally owned) AR-15... and got away with it.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on June 22, 2022, 10:09:28 AM
Fuck sake. But sure I read that Kyle Rittenhouse is rumoured to be bringing legal action against Bill Burr after Burr made a joke about him at a comedy show.
Kyle Rittenhouse - a lad who drove from Illinois to Wisconsin to shoot people with his (illegally owned) AR-15... and got away with it.
You're misrepresenting that to an extent there Stout. More to it than that.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Everyone's always on hand with context when it's their man in the crosshairs!
Didn't you get the memo. He was protecting "FREEDOM".
People's opinion of Rittenhouse for the most part goes along the lines of where they'd fall on the US political spectrum so I didn't really get into it much. I did find it funny when the father in law tried to tell me that Rittenhouse had shot two black lads and was after getting away with it. Bit of the old Chinese whispers going on there.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 22, 2022, 12:37:44 PM
You're misrepresenting that to an extent there Stout. More to it than that.
Which bit? I genuinely don't know. Perhaps I'm not as clued in.
Well I suppose one man's getting away with it is another man's acquitted. I don't believe it was his intention to shoot people, but sure how well do you know your own mother etc.
He's riding the TC/Fox News fawning over him to the last though, he's making a fortune the little fucker 😂.
Ah, i dont know, I'll leave it. Had a buddy from Germany over for a weekend recently and we had great gas apart from when we got into heartbeats and womens bodily autonomy etc after a few scoops. Mind you it's easier said than done leaving it alone when it's the Bruiser from Bray!
Wisdom.
I wasn't trying to draw you out at all - I was making light of the fact the Rittenhouse has some head up on him to start suing people.
What exactly was Joe lydans joke?
Basically he wrote a snotty letter about something and they replied quite reasonably. He then replied with further unfunny, camp passive aggressive shit to which they calmly replied leaving an open goal for him to reply with more of his misery in the form of a shit punchline. That probably just about sums it up.
I heard there's something about a big donkey dick but nobody seems to be able to go any further.
I suspect a little PR managing going on here to generate more interest...
Beyonce is under fire for a word in her new song 'renaissance'. The word in question? Took me some work trying to find it mentioned anywhere but it's 'spaz' as in 'spazzing out'. She has since re-recorded the song with a different word.
Completely pathetic.
:laugh: oh man...
This story, along with the Lizzo one regarding the same word a couple of months ago (thanks to which I even know who Lizzo is), is only interesting etymologically, as an example of US vs rest of the English speaking world semantic drift. Lankum changed their entire band name for very similar geographico-semantic reasons sure.
C'est une soulagement , alors, que tout les deux parlent le français, n'est pas?
Huge pressure on Spanish to be more gender neutral these days. I work with a much less intelligent Marxist than you who uses the @. So cool
What's the @? :-X
I'm down in herself's pueblo in Rioja at the moment. That pressure ain't being felt here anyway :laugh:
The @ instead of the o or a at the end of verbs. If you have 100 women and 1 lad in a group, you must say 'vosotros'.
I dunno, maybe they have a point.
Sorry, pronouns too.
Ah okay. Yeah, there are all sorts of (what I find to be) torturous spelling experiments in French to try to "neutralize" plurals. Think there'd be another revolution if someone suggested importing non-alphabet symbols.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 02, 2022, 11:42:34 AMThis story, along with the Lizzo one regarding the same word a couple of months ago (thanks to which I even know who Lizzo is), is only interesting etymologically, as an example of US vs rest of the English speaking world semantic drift. Lankum changed their entire band name for very similar geographico-semantic reasons sure.
Didn't know that about Lankum but it reminded me that Girl Band changed their name because of potential offence or something like that. Can't even remember what they're called now.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2022, 02:33:42 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 02, 2022, 11:42:34 AMThis story, along with the Lizzo one regarding the same word a couple of months ago (thanks to which I even know who Lizzo is), is only interesting etymologically, as an example of US vs rest of the English speaking world semantic drift. Lankum changed their entire band name for very similar geographico-semantic reasons sure.
Didn't know that about Lankum but it reminded me that Girl Band changed their name because of potential offence or something like that. Can't even remember what they're called now.
They're now Gilla band. Actually saw them at ATN at the weekend. Whopper gig.
Looked at a few bits on youtube they look like decent craic live. Wonder if they've anything new coming actually I thought The Talkies was very good.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2022, 06:54:16 PMLooked at a few bits on youtube they look like decent craic live. Wonder if they've anything new coming actually I thought The Talkies was very good.
I heard they have a new album in the works. Never really listen to them on record. Seen them live 3 times. They are lethal live. Heavy as fuck.
Quote from: leatherface on August 02, 2022, 10:36:48 AMBeyonce is under fire for a word in her new song 'renaissance'. The word in question? Took me some work trying to find it mentioned anywhere but it's 'spaz' as in 'spazzing out'. She has since re-recorded the song with a different word.
Can't wait til they discover Spazztic Blurr...
Quote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2022, 06:54:16 PMLooked at a few bits on youtube they look like decent craic live. Wonder if they've anything new coming actually I thought The Talkies was very good.
They've a new single up and they'll have the album out soon. The single is lethal and is right up your alley
https://gillaband.bandcamp.com/album/most-normal
Quote from: ochoill on August 02, 2022, 11:24:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2022, 06:54:16 PMLooked at a few bits on youtube they look like decent craic live. Wonder if they've anything new coming actually I thought The Talkies was very good.
They've a new single up and they'll have the album out soon. The single is lethal and is right up your alley
https://gillaband.bandcamp.com/album/most-normal
Ah decent, sound. Oh yeah I broke my phone again as well.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 03, 2022, 12:27:17 AMQuote from: ochoill on August 02, 2022, 11:24:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2022, 06:54:16 PMLooked at a few bits on youtube they look like decent craic live. Wonder if they've anything new coming actually I thought The Talkies was very good.
They've a new single up and they'll have the album out soon. The single is lethal and is right up your alley
https://gillaband.bandcamp.com/album/most-normal
Ah decent, sound. Oh yeah I broke my phone again as well.
Just listened to that :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I took out a pair of the old bootcut jeans the other evening and I just can't do it anymore I had to get the tight ones out instead but it took me so long to conform to those that I'm heading straight back out of fashion before I even get into it at all. At least there will always be hoodies...
Christ almighty but they're shit. Fucking hell...
Quote from: Carnage on August 03, 2022, 01:32:12 AMChrist almighty but they're shit. Fucking hell...
Thankfully I saw them live first as I don't like them on record and would have thought the same. They're a totally different prospect live. Can't describe how heavy the are live.
Nah fuck it I'm sure they're great live and I'd like to see them but I quite enjoy the recorded stuff too. Saying that, I can see why many wouldn't. I just like odd and ugly things in music
Quote from: astfgyl on August 03, 2022, 12:27:17 AMQuote from: ochoill on August 02, 2022, 11:24:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2022, 06:54:16 PMLooked at a few bits on youtube they look like decent craic live. Wonder if they've anything new coming actually I thought The Talkies was very good.
They've a new single up and they'll have the album out soon. The single is lethal and is right up your alley
https://gillaband.bandcamp.com/album/most-normal
Ah decent, sound. Oh yeah I broke my phone again as well.
Fucks sake how am I supposed to text you hourly until you listen to the Chat Pile album now
Gilla Band/Girl Band have always reminded me of 4 lads that work in a greeting card shop where everything is made from corduroy and autumn leaves.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on August 03, 2022, 04:40:42 PMGilla Band/Girl Band have always reminded me of 4 lads that work in a greeting card shop where everything is made from corduroy and autumn leaves.
:laugh: ah they're heavier than that at least
Quote from: ochoill on August 03, 2022, 04:34:51 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 03, 2022, 12:27:17 AMQuote from: ochoill on August 02, 2022, 11:24:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2022, 06:54:16 PMLooked at a few bits on youtube they look like decent craic live. Wonder if they've anything new coming actually I thought The Talkies was very good.
They've a new single up and they'll have the album out soon. The single is lethal and is right up your alley
https://gillaband.bandcamp.com/album/most-normal
Ah decent, sound. Oh yeah I broke my phone again as well.
Fucks sake how am I supposed to text you hourly until you listen to the Chat Pile album now
God's Country? Fuck it I'll throw it on now.
Getting back on topic, I see the premier league teams are keeping the kneeling for special occasions from now on. I couldn't give a fuck whether they do or not but I think that's the point of them stopping, as it happens - No-one gives a fuck either way anymore.
They couldn't be seen to just abandon it wholesale.
It was so unbelievably cringe and gay, happy days that it's going to be dumped.
Yeah it was really really pointless after every team had done it the once. It didn't even have the effect of annoying me after a couple of goes at it. Soccer has had the Kick it Out campaign for years anyway it's not like anyone was condoning racism or anything and it's a bad precedent to set too, having anything to do with US socio-political issues when the game in itself has been a great leveller for a long time. I think teams should start a campaign to kick all politics out of football and do handstands and Robbie Keane style cartwheels instead of kneeling.
I just ate a cracker (actually why hasn't Cracker starring Robbie Coltrane been banned or cancelled yet, sure it'd be like calling a show Nigger and letting it off because it was an acceptable racial slur back in the day, but these days we atone for our (I feel brackets within brackets coming on, it's like the Inception (movie about being able to infiltrate dreams with dreams made in the 2010s) of brackets) sins, so cancelling it for the future (now The Present) offences it didn't know it was going to make seems like a rational solution to the very modern problem of how to go about our business without offending anyone and we should be all pulling Robbie Keane style cartwheels over it before each game of anything we might be playing (if indeed I should presume I won't offend the people (sorry, Pronoun entities, I dunno what to call any of you anymore) who might want to be referred to as something other than people) if indeed we want to play things (I wouldn't want to presume anyone would want to play things if they didn't)) and the whole notion of eating crackers racially abused me. It's tough stuff in the minefield.
Suddenly cartwheels don't seem like such a shit idea
Batgirl 😂😂😂
I'll just leave this here, Gen Z vs Metallica (apparently):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqgzOMua6ZI
Jaysus, that salute picture has been lurking around for years I guess it was only a matter of time. If they start picking on Kerry King they will unearth an absolute treasure trove. Could keep them offended for years. I remember a Kerrang interview yonks ago that went something like this.
Interviewer: Last person you would like to be trapped in a lift with.
KK: a homo
I think the interviewer asked him if he hated gay people and the answer was "fuck yeah"
Fair enough though. Wouldn't want to get AIDS or something of him.
Even as a screaming lefty myself, this whole "cancel" thing is beyond the beyonds to me. It's a generation of younger people with no self awareness who take everything literally and have no critical thinking. they're as bad as the boneheads and conspiracists they rail against. Also the hilarity of this anti racist tiktoker being called Serena "Trueblood"..sounds like a fucking Stormfront username.
There's a rapper called Slowthai who's mixed race, and who wore an anti nazi tshirt on stage at a festival recently which had a Swastika on it (the context of the shirt was it had the word "DESTROY" plastered over the offending symbol) - and even with it being a blatantly anti fascist shirt he still got "cancelled" by the teenage twitter ninja turtles. These people are absolute fucking idiots. Who will of course be massively conservative/right wing by the time they're in their mid 30s anyway.
Metallica should be cancelled for going with the mastering job on Death Magnetic (etc......)
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2022, 02:49:26 PMEven as a screaming lefty myself, this whole "cancel" thing is beyond the beyonds to me. It's a generation of younger people with no self awareness who take everything literally and have no critical thinking. they're as bad as the boneheads and conspiracists they rail against. Also the hilarity of this anti racist tiktoker being called Serena "Trueblood"..sounds like a fucking Stormfront username.
There's a rapper called Slowthai who's mixed race, and who wore an anti nazi tshirt on stage at a festival recently which had a Swastika on it (the context of the shirt was it had the word "DESTROY" plastered over the offending symbol) - and even with it being a blatantly anti fascist shirt he still got "cancelled" by the teenage twitter ninja turtles. These people are absolute fucking idiots. Who will of course be massively conservative/right wing by the time they're in their mid 30s anyway.
And God help us all when they shift to the right. In the absence of religion these morons have pretty much invented one. It comes complete with original sin, dogma, hatred of unbelievers among others. What it lacks is redemption or any sort of forgiveness for transgressions.
This is far left university indoctrination that the 'conspiracy theorists' talked about for years now coming to fruition. Anything and everything is racist.
Heard people talking about the Woodstock documentary being good. I remember when it happened in 99 because my aunty only lives about 20mins from the area the festival took place in and I spent the following summer over with her. I decided to watch it last night was only about 20mins into it and already they started trying to make a DMX song that the crowd was singing back to him into a race issue when in fact it was a pivotal moment both for DMX and rap music at the time. Everything nowadays is just poisoned with this bullshit.
Yeah, that's the HBO documentary that really pushes that kind of narrative. The more recent Netflix one doesn't have that angle.
Oh so two different versions exist I wasn't aware of that. Yes the one I watched was the HBO version unfortunately I don't have Netflix so I will have to wait until that version comes onto my IPTV.
The Netflix one is just out this week. I thought it was a far more palatable and balanced watch.
The stuff micko)) is talking about there ruined the HBO one. Totally forced. Without those bits, interview sections with moron talking head journalists, it would have been the better of the two. The Netflix one is... pure Netflix.
I found the way they tried to hang Fred Durst in the HBO one was cuntish and said fuck all about RHCP coming on and playing fire. You have no idea how much it pains me to say anything in defence of Fred Durst or Limp Bizkit.
Netflix the same though, no critique against RHCP.
Weird no one from LB interviewed in either, despite them talking about it in the Metal Evolution episode about nu metal about 10 years ago. Also, in that episode, it's Jonathan Davis who totally hangs Durst. It's worth revisiting for comparison. Out of the organizers, yer man Michael Lang mainly seems like a dope, whereas the John Shur guy really comes across as a total dick.
Quote from: open face surgery on August 12, 2022, 05:57:03 PMI found the way they tried to hang Fred Durst in the HBO one was cuntish and said fuck all about RHCP coming on and playing fire. You have no idea how much it pains me to say anything in defence of Fred Durst or Limp Bizkit.
I can imagine the sound of gritting teeth as you typed that
Seems the cancellers won't get you if you're a satanic band (unlike the 80s or 90s). Or underground. There needs to be gatekeepers now more than ever, wimps and posers leave the hall etc etc.
When did being young in a first world country turn into a political crusade?
Wait until they read the three or four Shakespeare plays I'm proper familiar with and blacks and 'moors' are 'deconstructed'.
The hatred of Israel and the equally zealous defence of the semites may save The Merchant of Venice'
I know I shouldn't read comments on social media, but jesus the amount of right wing nationalists creaming themselves over that 87 year old getting stabbed in London just because the attacker is black, comes across as a bit too happy clappy that they can use it to push their bullshit.
The inverse of that is if a black person does something left wing tossers want to throw a parade. Both sides are extremely cringe worthy.
Quote from: ldj on August 17, 2022, 09:44:05 PMI know I shouldn't read comments on social media, but jesus the amount of right wing nationalists creaming themselves over that 87 year old getting stabbed in London just because the attacker is black, comes across as a bit too happy clappy that they can use it to push their bullshit.
Yeah that stuff is pathetic. You can have scumbag pieces of shit in every colour.
Back to that old man getting stabbed, I keep seeing posts on social media asking why isn't everyone taking the knee for this poor chap and I'm thinking fuck no we definitely don't want to go to places like that where every time someone is killed in tragic/unfair circumstances by someone of a different colour or background that the big corporate push for some sort of racial solidarity comes behind it. You'd think people would've learned from the Floyd situation that this stuff is polarising and leave it out but no, it's all "we want what they got" sort of shit and it's really stupid.
Then I saw an opinion piece in the Independent about what a terrible own goal it is by the Rose of Tralee having only white contestants and I thought about how this crap is designed to drive people mad because it keeps them reading in outrage and who knows maybe they'll click an ad or two while they're scouring the web for ways to be offended. Have to be careful myself not to get too into the silliness of it all.
Ended up thinking about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 19, 2022, 12:17:04 PMI thought about how this crap is designed to drive people mad because it keeps them reading in outrage and who knows maybe they'll click an ad or two while they're scouring the web for ways to be offended.
This is the state of a lot of society now. Reading shyte on social media that makes you angry. Keep the masses fighting amongst themselves so they don't look up at the real cunts. I steered away from it years ago and my mental health is a lot better for it.
Aye that's it exactly everyone is arguing over the crumbs
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY ABOUT THE CRUMBS??
I'd like to apologise unreservedly for my use of the word "crumbs" and to anyone in the Full Slice Society who was left offended by my remarks. I'm also after forgetting I bought a house for cash and I apologise for not declaring so as parliamentary rules dictate I should have. For now though let's ignore the blatant corruption rife among the political class in the country including myself and try to move forw.. ...LOOK!! - Vogue Williams did something!!!
OK we'll leave it there for now and here's tonight's terror, sorry, weather where we will bamboozle you by colouring it in red when it's not even 20 degrees out in August. Have a good evening.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html
WWJD
Quote from: blessed1 on September 07, 2022, 11:37:39 AMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html
Fucking hell that's outrageous.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 07, 2022, 12:31:16 PMQuote from: blessed1 on September 07, 2022, 11:37:39 AMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html
Fucking hell that's outrageous.
Oh the old Burke family. For years every Saturday on Main st in Castlebar would have a loudspeaker and tell us all how we're going to hell. The biggest bunch of fucking loons ever. And fuck that guy. He wouldn't call a child the name it wants. Oh the humanity. He's so put upon.
Aye, fuckin' zealots. Don't be moaning about the ones with the pink hair if you're not capable of recognizing a barking mad one among "your own".
QuoteMr Burke repeatedly raised the issue and clashed with the principal and the board.
This included an incident where Mr Burke interrupted a church service marking the school's 260th anniversary in June.
During the closing prayer, he is said to have stood up and spoke for between two and three minutes, demanding the request by Ms McShane be withdrawn.
Zealots.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 07, 2022, 01:28:23 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on September 07, 2022, 12:31:16 PMQuote from: blessed1 on September 07, 2022, 11:37:39 AMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html
Fucking hell that's outrageous.
Oh the old Burke family. For years every Saturday on Main st in Castlebar would have a loudspeaker and tell us all how we're going to hell. The biggest bunch of fucking loons ever. And fuck that guy. He wouldn't call a child the name it wants. Oh the humanity. He's so put upon.
A pack of cunts indeed. Delighted to see this.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-will-never-leave-mountjoy-prison-enoch-burke-refuses-to-purge-his-contempt-of-court-41968826.html
:laugh:
Yeah he's a fool no doubt. I have a question though, how far does one take it in addressing people how they want to be addressed. What if a student identified as a dog or cat and insisted on being referred to as such (insert crazy pronoun here)? Like is there a list of things one can identify as, and acceptable pronouns?
Playing devil's advocate here a bit because the other question is why didn't Burke just call them by their actual name and avoid the pronoun wanker game? The first question still stands looking for an answer though, how far is too far?
Probably sees himself as some sort of martyr for the cause but then again I bet so does the student in question.
Fuck the both of the bullshitting bastards.
Ask a silly worn-out whataboutism question, get a sensible answer:
https://assets.gov.ie/25063/a6e913a466344dce9530ce261b41d6c5.pdf
QuoteThe nine grounds on which discrimination is prohibited are
• gender,
• marital status,
• family status,
• sexual orientation,
• religion,
• age,
• disability,
• race and
• membership of the Traveller community.
[...]
Gender - Being male or female. (The European Court of Justice has held that discrimination against a transsexual person on the ground of sex.)
He refused to call the person by their new name too.
He'll be out a day or 2 after joining the general population. A couple of nights of being mistaken of a woman himself will change his mind rapid.
:laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2022, 02:09:33 PMAsk a silly worn-out whataboutism question, get a sensible answer:
https://assets.gov.ie/25063/a6e913a466344dce9530ce261b41d6c5.pdf
QuoteThe nine grounds on which discrimination is prohibited are
• gender,
• marital status,
• family status,
• sexual orientation,
• religion,
• age,
• disability,
• race and
• membership of the Traveller community.
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Gender - Being male or female. (The European Court of Justice has held that discrimination against a transsexual person on the ground of sex.)
He refused to call the person by their new name too.
You're calling that a sensible answer while avoiding the question I asked. I'm not sticking up for Burke, I think he's a knob but is that their official new name or can they change it again and expect everyone to play ball with the new one say once a year?
And people can pretend there's gender fluidity all they want, I don't have to believe it no more than I have to believe in Jesus if I don't. I'll just leave them do their own thing in the church and stay out of it.
So to ask again, what can't people identify as and why is that any different?
Interesting read here, never knew about the link to his sister's case versus Arthur Cox which I also followed from the early rumblings and watched it explode...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40955927.html
If one met Cronos, would one insist on calling him Conrad?
Might do, how old is he? I get the argument here, Burke should've called them by their new name and been done with it really.
He's not a martyr he's a very naughty boy.
Quote from: astfgylLike is there a list of things one can identify as, and acceptable pronouns?
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So to ask again, what can't people identify as and why is that any different?
Legally speaking (the law being what makes things different, to answer your question), only gender identification is covered. Cats, dogs, helicopters, every other whataboutism outside of gender is not covered.
Anyone over 18 in Ireland can legally change any or all of their names whenever they want, several times if they wish to, and this confers the right to be referred to by that name.
Just ask this fella: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Dublin_Bay_Rockall_Loftus
Quote from: blessed1 on September 07, 2022, 01:56:48 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on September 07, 2022, 01:28:23 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on September 07, 2022, 12:31:16 PMQuote from: blessed1 on September 07, 2022, 11:37:39 AMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html
Fucking hell that's outrageous.
Oh the old Burke family. For years every Saturday on Main st in Castlebar would have a loudspeaker and tell us all how we're going to hell. The biggest bunch of fucking loons ever. And fuck that guy. He wouldn't call a child the name it wants. Oh the humanity. He's so put upon.
A pack of cunts indeed. Delighted to see this.
The pronouns are one thing. He's not in jail for those. He's in jail for making a roaring bollox of himself at a school event, harassing the principal and defying the resultant court order to not come near the school.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2022, 03:01:15 PMQuote from: astfgylLike is there a list of things one can identify as, and acceptable pronouns?
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So to ask again, what can't people identify as and why is that any different?
Legally speaking (the law being what makes things different, to answer your question), only gender identification is covered. Cats, dogs, helicopters, every other whataboutism outside of gender is not covered.
Anyone over 18 in Ireland can legally change any or all of their names whenever they want, several times if they wish to, and this confers the right to be referred to by that name.
Just ask this fella: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Dublin_Bay_Rockall_Loftus
So is the student over 18? Has their name been legally changed?
Calling everything whataboutery doesn't change the nature of the discussion. If one can feel like they're a different gender then why can't they feel like they're a different species altogether? Are there certain levels of dysphoria that are acceptable, and if there are well then maybe the stook Burke might feel like gender dysphoria is a step too far for him but be fine with someone feeling social dysphoria as he himself seems to. Why are his beliefs not protected as well as the student seeing as religious grounds is another of the things one can't be discriminated against on? Who decides which trumps which?
Besides, as was mentioned, that's not why Burke is in jail anyway. It was his subsequent behaviour that got him there.
Doesn't stop the question, if we are to campaign for transsexual rights to the extent that others must play along by rule of law, whether they believe it or not, what happens when someone feels transracial or species dysphoria or whatever else? What happens if I believe I have the freedom of Dublin and graze my sheep on Stephen's green, are others to go along with it even though they know I was never given the freedom of Dublin?
Should there be a line drawn somewhere, and if so, where? Far too easy to just call Burke a spa for his part but the same will arise again and there'll have been no actual discussion, just the usual gnashing of teeth, with everything drawn around party lines and heels dug in on both sides.
As for The Law being what's different, the law can be very silly at times, as I'm sure all of the outlawed homosexuals felt for a long time.
I'd agree that there will be a test case on this kind of nonsense sooner or later. With all the ball acting he's done besides it won't be very clear how it goes from this one.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 04:25:41 PMCalling everything whataboutery doesn't change the nature of the discussion.
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What happens if I believe I have the freedom of Dublin and graze my sheep on Stephen's green, are others to go along with it even though they know I was never given the freedom of Dublin?
Your whataboutery is pretty obviously whataboutery. I'm not being dismissive, you're being silly.
By the way, I don't know if the kid is over 18. But if they had their parents' consent, which we know they did, then they could have changed it by deed poll anyway. My point was that as it stands, and has stood for quite a long time, people can change their names whenever they want and, legally speaking, other people have to respect that. In that sense that, for example, you could send me a bill under my old name and I could petition that that legal entity no longer exists (as long as I had informed the party sending the bill), etc. The law isn't nearly as mental (nor has it become particularly more mental due to gender dysphoria and transsexuality being taken into account) than certain people like to imagine.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 02:01:23 PMYeah he's a fool no doubt. I have a question though, how far does one take it in addressing people how they want to be addressed. What if a student identified as a dog or cat and insisted on being referred to as such (insert crazy pronoun here)? Like is there a list of things one can identify as, and acceptable pronouns?
Playing devil's advocate here a bit because the other question is why didn't Burke just call them by their actual name and avoid the pronoun wanker game? The first question still stands looking for an answer though, how far is too far?
Probably sees himself as some sort of martyr for the cause but then again I bet so does the student in question.
Fuck the both of the bullshitting bastards.
I just ask people their name. And then call them that. Couldn't give a flying fuck about the rest of it. You want to identify as a cat. Couldn't care less, just tell me your name kitty.
Yes that is the approach most would take but we're talking the legal aspects of it rather than the moral ones. I would also ask someone their name and use that, as I've always done.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 07, 2022, 05:24:19 PMQuote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 04:25:41 PMCalling everything whataboutery doesn't change the nature of the discussion.
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What happens if I believe I have the freedom of Dublin and graze my sheep on Stephen's green, are others to go along with it even though they know I was never given the freedom of Dublin?
Your whataboutery is pretty obviously whataboutery. I'm not being dismissive, you're being silly.
By the way, I don't know if the kid is over 18. But if they had their parents' consent, which we know they did, then they could have changed it by deed poll anyway. My point was that as it stands, and has stood for quite a long time, people can change their names whenever they want and, legally speaking, other people have to respect that. In that sense that, for example, you could send me a bill under my old name and I could petition that that legal entity no longer exists (as long as I had informed the party sending the bill), etc. The law isn't nearly as mental (nor has it become particularly more mental due to gender dysphoria and transsexuality being taken into account) than certain people like to imagine.
I'm not being silly. It's the nature of the discussion. Should the dysphoria of the student trump that of Burke and if so, why? You're presuming the student legally had the name changed and using that bit of law to back your argument but you've no idea if they did by deed poll or not so it doesn't apply.
Should people who want to change their name be forced to do so legally before another person is forced to refer to them as that name, on pain of suspension from their job (because the prison bit is entirely of his own making, I think we can all see that)?
How far is too far when forcing others to comply with one's dysphoria? Where would you personally draw the line?
Has Burke equal right not to be discriminated against for his religious beliefs as the student has not to be discriminated for their sexuality, and how would you break the impasse in such a situation?
It's easy hide behind the "that's the law" aspect of things, but how would you feel if the law was against homosexuality or abortion? You'd be saying the law is a load of shit instead of avoiding the meat in the discussion by hiding behind it.
That silly enough for you?
My take on it is that, regardless of whether you buy into the gender politics or 'wokeness' of it or not, if someone is going through that transition - the surgery, hormone treatment, cosmetic changes, psychological effects, social ostracism etc. - I'm not going to make their life any harder by insisting they're something they feel they aren't and are taking such drastic steps in that regard.
That being said, adolescents going through it isn't ideal, it's not something they're physically or mentally equipped to deal with as a child - despite the best intentions of their parents and/or relevant medical professionals.
All IMO of course, admittedly I'm not familiar with it all to have an informed opinion.
Quote from: blessed1 on September 07, 2022, 11:37:39 AMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html
He's done a great job making people think he is in trouble for not calling a boy a girl. Genius.
He'll be on joe rogan when he gets out.
"Wow, it's crazy out there".
I wouldn't take those steps either but Burke is insisting that it's his religious beliefs, so what are we to do about that?
Quote from: pete on September 07, 2022, 06:06:13 PMQuote from: blessed1 on September 07, 2022, 11:37:39 AMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-enoch-burke-spent-his-first-night-in-custody-isolated-from-general-prison-population-41960828.html
He's done a great job making people think he is in trouble for not calling a boy a girl. Genius.
He'll be on joe rogan when he gets out.
"Wow, it's crazy out there".
I think we all know that's not why he's in jail.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:07:48 PMI think we all know that's not why he's in jail.
He doesn't. And fuck him in any case, a known spastic being a bewildering shitehawk and the country turns it into a fuckin gender debate again. Withering shit. Very fuckin simply it is easy to not purposefully alienate anyone who is trans by accepting them and helping them if you can - sure as fuck I don't know what it feels like to be that way but I have no interest in knowing, just making sure they have it alright and can get on with life so we aren't all so bastarding distracted by a news cycle filled with pathetic cunts like himself, who have absolutely no truck in it one way or another but want to be seen, and insert themselves into this "argument" one way or another to do so. If he was as good a Catholic as he lets on he'd live and let live but he instead would rather use it to position himself as greater than someone else. We are all equally shit. He would look down on all of us for less reasons than he looks down on the kids he is meant to care for in his role. Fuck it this is dense
He knows well why he's in jail. He's attempting to martyr himself.
The debate as I see it is, is his right to not be discriminated because of his religious beliefs diminished by the kid's right not to be discriminated against for their sexuality? Nobody wants to touch that question, but as the shepherd pointed out, both rights are equal. That Burke is a bigot/spa doesn't answer the question. Try not to get so upset by discussions on the discussion forum, nobody is defending Burke.
Also, I wonder what we're missing from the news with all this furore.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:25:54 PMHe knows well why he's in jail. He's attempting to martyr himself.
The debate as I see it is, is his right to not be discriminated because of his religious beliefs diminished by the kid's right not to be discriminated against for their sexuality? Nobody wants to touch that question, but as the shepherd pointed out, both rights are equal. That Burke is a bigot/spa doesn't answer the question. Try not to get so upset by discussions on the discussion forum, nobody is defending Burke.
Also, I wonder what we're missing from the news with all this furore.
When was he discriminated for his religious beliefs?
Which rights did I say were equal? In any case, his rights haven't been infringed upon at all and he hasn't been discriminated against. If he didn't want to work for a school who had decided it was going to uphold the Equal Status Act, then it was up to him to quit.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:25:54 PMHe knows well why he's in jail. He's attempting to martyr himself.
The debate as I see it is, is his right to not be discriminated because of his religious beliefs diminished by the kid's right not to be discriminated against for their sexuality? Nobody wants to touch that question, but as the shepherd pointed out, both rights are equal. That Burke is a bigot/spa doesn't answer the question. Try not to get so upset by discussions on the discussion forum, nobody is defending Burke.
Also, I wonder what we're missing from the news with all this furore.
He isn't being discriminated for his beliefs though, he's being discriminated for his rotten form, if he gave a shit about it for any decent reason he wouldn't behave how he does. Not just in this case either as has been pointed out. So no, he is a fuckin terrible example for the point you're trying to make because if you were suffering and he had the option to ease it he would choose to make it worse. Religion is a shield for him, not a system. In any reasonable example then yes, they both, as with every human, has a right to not be discriminated against but he has proven himself to be unreasonable, so he can suffer his own fate and call it discrimination all he wants. He foisted himself into this position and centred an argument around him, victimising himself, to absolutely no end. Leave him off.
Imagine being the kid here and having your existence, yet again, become a matter of debate for people who have absolutely no fuckin interest, gain, or idea how it actually is to live life as a trans person. Imagine that this happens to trans people regularly, your life as a thought experiment for internet moralists. Batshit and horrible, constant bad vibes. No none of that thanks, just let them get on with it and do our best to work a system that suits us all.
Instead we have the state of internet media posting about this, constantly, drumming up a divide in ourselves amongst people no different to us. It's easier sell articles of fear if we all hate each other, right? And that's all the division and argument is about, selling articles, selling clicks, milking us for money through our time and horror, through bullshit like this coated with ads, until we all go into the same earth anyway.
Ah fuck it I'm wound up now. I tried several times not to post on this
:laugh:
You know well I'd live and let live but it's turned into a discussion now for better or worse. What if someone was really nice about not using the pronouns and apologetic but still wouldn't do it because it's against their beliefs or whatever. The same shite will come up again and again. You're saying imagine the pain of being trans but no-one wants to think of the pain of being Enoch Burke.
I don't always agree with BSC but, yeah, the lad is free to seek employment with another educational establishment more in tune with his own religious ethos. Fuck him, and his family for that matter. They sound like a right shower of doses.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40955927.html
Getting away from the question though. It shouldn't matter that he and his family are knobs.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:49:31 PMno-one wants to think of the pain of being Enoch Burke.
I know full well you were laughing typing that out fuckin lol
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:49:31 PMYou're saying imagine the pain of being trans but no-one wants to think of the pain of being Enoch Burke.
Enoch can have his day in court if he so wishes. That hasn't been denied. He's in jail because he defied the terms of an injunction.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:52:09 PMGetting away from the question though. It shouldn't matter that he and his family are knobs.
I don't think I understand your question though?
At what stage do you think he was discriminated against?
(Also I didn't know what thread to put the Justin article in, what a legend, but thought you might like it https://www.loudersound.com/features/godfleshs-justin-broadrick-my-life-in-10-songs)
Quote from: ochoill on September 07, 2022, 06:43:30 PMImagine that this happens to trans people regularly, your life as a thought experiment for internet moralists. Batshit and horrible, constant bad vibes.
Exactly :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
Which is why the whataboutery isn't harmless at all; it diminishes the struggle of that very real, not hypothetical, trans kid who has to deal, not only with this one bible bashing prick, but also with all the other mooks salivating at their keyboards waiting to get their oar in on it too.
You're calling him a Bible bashing prick where on the other side of the fence you'll have people doing the same to the trans women. And you'll have what the other side consider mooks tapping away in support the trans movement. How does your comment help anything other than stroking Ochoill's feelings with your agreement?
Quote from: pete on September 07, 2022, 06:58:02 PMQuote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:52:09 PMGetting away from the question though. It shouldn't matter that he and his family are knobs.
I don't support Burke's position at all but as usual there's an actual discussion in between the poles, which I've attempted to bring on here but no-one will touch it, which helps nothing.
Quote from: pete on September 07, 2022, 06:58:02 PMQuote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:52:09 PMGetting away from the question though. It shouldn't matter that he and his family are knobs.
I don't think I understand your question though?
At what stage do you think he was discriminated against?
(Also I didn't know what thread to put the Justin article in, what a legend, but thought you might like it https://www.loudersound.com/features/godfleshs-justin-broadrick-my-life-in-10-songs)
I don't think he was discriminated against personally, but that's his argument and I'm having a go at trying to get to the bottom of the debate, because one exists. Trying to find the middle ground between the extremes because I don't subscribe fully to either view.
Sound for the jkb shout, I was sent it by Ochoill the other day and forgot to get on it. Looking forward to the read.Quote from: John Kimble on September 07, 2022, 06:54:40 PMQuote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:49:31 PMYou're saying imagine the pain of being trans but no-one wants to think of the pain of being Enoch Burke.
Enoch can have his day in court if he so wishes. That hasn't been denied. He's in jail because he defied the terms of an injunction.
That part was my attempt at lightening the tone with a joke was all
The kid isn't bashing anyone. Bashing is the operative word here, geddit?
I don't think this is the hill you want to die on astfgyl. We never got to see where in employment law all this fits. I won't bore everyone by rehashing my opinions on the sudden outbreak of gender dysphoria, suffice to say I won't be putting any time or effort into relearning English. A proper test case will come at some point and I'd reserve judgement until it does.
All that quoting looks a mess on my phone anyway astfgly.. I might just agree to disagree :)
I'll die on no hill, I'm ideologically fluid as it happens. I get what you're saying though and I look forward to the test case myself..
I'll give this one more go, here's the questions I asked if anyone wants to have a go at answering them.
Should people who want to change their name be forced to do so legally before another person is forced to refer to them as that name, on pain of suspension from their job (because the prison bit is entirely of his own making, I think we can all see that)?
How far is too far when forcing others to comply with one's dysphoria? Where would you personally draw the line?
Has Burke equal right not to be discriminated against for his religious beliefs as the student has not to be discriminated for their sexuality, and how would you break the impasse in such a situation?
It's easy hide behind the "that's the law" aspect of things, but how would you feel if the law was against homosexuality or abortion? You'd be saying the law is a load of shit instead of avoiding the meat in the discussion by hiding behind it.
And Pete, I tried fixing it but it was a mess so I gave up. Sound for the link, we have found common ground 😃
https://twitter.com/NoonanJoe/status/1567541294389395456?s=19
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 08:16:25 PMShould people who want to change their name be forced to do so legally before another person is forced to refer to them as that name, on pain of suspension from their job (because the prison bit is entirely of his own making, I think we can all see that)?
I know I said I'd leave it.
I think he wasn't suspended for what you think he was?
Why do you think he was suspended from the school and can you link to it?
I think he was suspended with pay pending the outcome of the investigation because of the situation between him and the student in question. I think he's in prison for an entirely different reason which is his completely unreasonable behaviour in the aftermath, concluding with breaching of a court injunction. I'll have to go looking for links I only read about it somewhere yesterday on a link on Twitter. Have I got it wrong?
I think you have it wrong yes.
From what I read it wasn't due to a "situation between him and the student in question".
But if you find something to back that up I'd be interested in reading it. Thanks.
Cool I'll have a look there now
https://www.thejournal.ie/high-court-injunction-teacher-westmeath-pronouns-5853324-Aug2022/
I fully understand that he's not in jail for refusing to use someone's pronouns. I do think that story backs up my thoughts on it rather than refutes them though. I thought he was suspended for his stance on the student's self identity.
QuoteTransgenderism, he said, was contrary to scripture, and that in this instance he would "only obey God," and would "not obey man".
If it makes it easier for you, imagine a Muslim teacher in Ireland who refused to teach a girl because she wasn't covering her arms, legs, and hair, and he thought that because of this she was acting against the will of Allah. He might have just as much moral conviction and certitude about this position as Burke does about transgenderism, but if he started acting like Burke, harassing people and giving impromptu public sermons in front of the whole school about why the girl should be covered up, then the school would be in their right to suspend him too. Under the eyes of the law, this case with Burke is exactly the same. If I started saying, "Okay, so the girl doesn't have to cover up, but what if she came in naked, would that be okay? Where do you draw the line?", you would feel like I was just being silly, despite the greater existence of naturists than people with "species dysphoria" (not even recognized in the DSM). So, yeah, that line of questioning, about cats and dogs, etc., is just as silly.
Quote
Transgenderism, he said, was contrary to scripture, and that in this instance he would "only obey God," and would "not obey man".
So you believe something different to what he believes?
Well done, burn the witch so good man yourself
How did you get on with those few questions I asked anyone for their opinion on but so far no-one took me up on, or did you have any thoughts around those at all?
Accountability is 10/10 of the law these days.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 06:49:31 PMthe pain of being Enoch Burke.
That's it, I'm writing a concept album!
"Trans Hunger"
Fair fucks to the bible bashing nutter standing up to the mentally handicapped transgender bullshitters. Only old DSM is trve kvlt, modern DSM is for wimps & pussys
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 10:04:58 PMhttps://www.thejournal.ie/high-court-injunction-teacher-westmeath-pronouns-5853324-Aug2022/
I fully understand that he's not in jail for refusing to use someone's pronouns. I do think that story backs up my thoughts on it rather than refutes them though. I thought he was suspended for his stance on the student's self identity.
What I take from that article is that he was suspended for his conduct outlined here.
"The school claims that last June a service and dinner was held to mark the school's 260th anniversary It was attended by clergy, staff, past and present pupils, parents, and board members.
It is claimed that Mr Burke interrupted the service and said that the school's principal, Ms Niamh McShane, should withdraw the earlier demand regarding the transitioning of the student, that he could not agree with transgenderism, and said it went against the school's ethos and the teaching of the Church of Ireland.
The school claims that after he spoke members of the congregation and students walked out of the school chapel.
It is claimed that at the follow-up dinner Mr Burke did not sit at any table.
After the meal he is alleged to have approached the Principal, and again asked her to withdraw the request regarding the student.
The school claims that she said she would speak to Mr Burke at a appropriate time and place, and walked away from him.
It is claimed that he continued to follow her and questioned her loudly.
Other people stood between them to prevent the continuation of his questioning; it is further claimed."
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 12:24:00 AMSo you believe something different to what he believes?
Well done, burn the witch so good man yourself
Beautiful irony. We have things like freedom of expression, imperfect as it may be in practice, because Enlightenment thinking helped drag us past literal witch burners like Enoch Burke's spiritual ancestors, people who, like him, thought they had a direct line to God and knew who was going to hell anyway and should therefore be dispensed with before they infected others with the devil's influence. And it's that same post-Enlightenment thinking that he's refusing to respect now; social contract, individual rights, 'I am free to act as I wish within my sphere, limited only by the spheres of action of the other free individuals I live in society with', etc., etc. Always a minefield to navigate in practice, but a hell of a lot better than, "I will obey God not man!", especially when "obeying God" isn't even limited by actual scripture, just whatever mad shit pops into your head.
So you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief
Pete, that's a bit more detailed but still comes down to the same issue. Nobody is defending his behaviour. He has obviously acted terribly and entirely has himself where he is.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 09:15:35 AMSo you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief
Pete, that's a bit more detailed but still comes down to the same issue. Nobody is defending his behaviour. He has obviously acted terribly and entirely has himself where he is.
Do we agree he was not suspended for his beliefs so?
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 09:15:35 AMSo you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief
No, it's not all a matter of belief. It's a matter of how one acts on belief. Two different things.
Quote from: pete on September 08, 2022, 09:24:05 AMQuote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 09:15:35 AMSo you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief
Pete, that's a bit more detailed but still comes down to the same issue. Nobody is defending his behaviour. He has obviously acted terribly and entirely has himself where he is.
Do we agree he was not suspended for his beliefs so?
No that's word games. Do we agree he wouldn't be suspended if he didn't hold those beliefs?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 08, 2022, 09:33:34 AMQuote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 09:15:35 AMSo you believe something different to him then? It's all a matter of belief
No, it's not all a matter of belief. It's a matter of how one acts on belief. Two different things.
Perhaps he believes that's how he should act on his beliefs. People believe different things and it makes them act different to others.
It wasn't meant to be word games. I was just looking for clarity.
You agreed he was not jailed for his beliefs. Not a word game.
I was wondering did you agree with my belief that he also was not suspended because of beliefs and instead because of how he acted at the anniversary dinner. To which he was invited and not under any suspension. And presumably held those beliefs before the dinner.
So we just disagree on that. Fair enough.
In society, the rules of society trump personal beliefs. Don't like it? Opt out of society.
Should have said that to the homosexuals when they were outlawed. That's a thin argument.
These goalposts are rocketing around at the speed of light here
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 01:10:16 PMShould have said that to the homosexuals when they were outlawed. That's a thin argument.
Laws against homosexuality contravened the fundamental outlines of Enlightenment thinking. That fact is exactly how they were finally erased despite extreme opposition. It's not a thin argument. It is
the argument that has been advanced for centuries now as a path, albeit a meandering and not always clearly marked one, towards separating modern society from medieval society.
Quote from: pete on September 08, 2022, 11:18:18 AMIt wasn't meant to be word games. I was just looking for clarity.
You agreed he was not jailed for his beliefs. Not a word game.
I was wondering did you agree with my belief that he also was not suspended because of beliefs and instead because of how he acted at the anniversary dinner. To which he was invited and not under any suspension. And presumably held those beliefs before the dinner.
So we just disagree on that. Fair enough.
More will probably come out. I'm not sure of the beginnings of it at all. Perhaps I'll come to agree with you but tbh I'm bored of his story already and even losing interest in the wider discussion I was attempting to bring into it. Might move on to electricity bills or something
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 08, 2022, 01:27:28 PMQuote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 01:10:16 PMShould have said that to the homosexuals when they were outlawed. That's a thin argument.
Laws against homosexuality contravened the fundamental outlines of Enlightenment thinking. That fact is exactly how they were finally erased despite extreme opposition. It's not a thin argument. It is the argument that has been advanced for centuries now as a path, albeit a meandering and not always clearly marked one, towards separating modern society from medieval society.
Enlightenment thinking would involve looking at both sides of a discussion though, as you've avoided doing several times over the last few posts when I repeatedly asked the same questions. It's easy to invoke enlightenment when you consider yourself enlightened.
Quote from: ochoill on September 08, 2022, 01:14:15 PMThese goalposts are rocketing around at the speed of light here
What was between the posts to start with, Burke is a knob or such like or we don't agree with him? Not much discussion in that
The language is a bit stuffy, but you could read Isaiah Berlin's essay Two Concepts of Liberty if you're interested in the foundations of the wider discussion you're simultaneously trying to have and avoid:
https://archive.org/details/Two_Concepts_Of_Liberty_Isaiah_Berlin_1958.pdf
I answered most of your questions, just not the one about the cats and dogs, because - as I explained with an illustration - I think it's a silly question, a hypothetical red herring when what's being discussed is very real.
I'll read that but you've avoided the very direct questions I asked more than once. Hopefully it's interesting. How have I avoided the wider discussion by trying to look at it from both perspectives?
What both perspectives? Your question about cats and dogs isn't Enoch Burke's perspective, it's whataboutism. Enoch Burke is all about his view of sexual depravity, end of days, book of Revelations stuff. There's nothing about cats and dogs. He would probably be nicer to someone who thought they were a cat because he would think that they are mentally ill rather than a vessel of satan.
These ones. Not a cat or dog in em
Quote from: astfgyl on September 07, 2022, 08:16:25 PMShould people who want to change their name be forced to do so legally before another person is forced to refer to them as that name, on pain of suspension from their job (because the prison bit is entirely of his own making, I think we can all see that)?
How far is too far when forcing others to comply with one's dysphoria? Where would you personally draw the line?
Has Burke equal right not to be discriminated against for his religious beliefs as the student has not to be discriminated for their sexuality, and how would you break the impasse in such a situation?
Or is that too much whataboutery?
1. Should a person have to legally change their name before someone else is forced (by who?) to refer to them as that name? Answer is no. One can start using a preferred name (again, all this predates current debates on gender transitioning, etc.) at any point. If I get employed under the name Paddy and someone I work with insists, against my expressed wishes, on referring to me by my "real" name Séamus, I would have a legitimate grievance to petition with the employer as a form of harassment. Just the same as if a colleague was referring to me as "dickhead" or anything else I didn't want to be referred to as. I brought up the legal thing only to say that gender transitioning has changed nothing about ease of changing one's name, legally or not, in Ireland. Along with the UK, we're very easy about that.
2. This is literally the cat/dog question and pure whataboutism. We're talking about people born of one biological sex (though sometimes two) who do not identify with the gender they were assigned. I personally have no problem "complying" (this in itself is an odd word choice, I would say "respect") with whatever gender and name someone presents themselves to me as. All gender dysphoria and gender transitioning is within my line, without me needing to know where that line is actually drawn (that's the irrelevant whataboutism).
3. This has been answered many times over: Burke wasn't discriminated against for his religious beliefs, but yes he does have an equal right not to be discriminated against for them. Which is fine, because he hasn't been.
There's more than one type of dysphoria. It could be argued that Burke is suffering from a social type. The answer to the first question is fair enough, the second one is not whataboutery no matter how many times you say it is because the same thing will come up over and over and soon-to-be smarter than Burke will take up the mantle, the third one, Burke is saying this is the case so how does one get around that, all things being equal? These are real things that will become more common as things progress it deserves a bit of discussion but I'm done with it, there's no middle ground in your views to go on. Edit: I don't mean your views in general but if there's any lefty position you'll defend it to the hilt no matter what so it'll get circular if we keep going is all rather than me getting ratty about it
He acted in a way absolutely unbecoming of a teacher, someone who is supposed to look after the well-being of minors and be an example to them, not make them the target of his ranting in front of everyone involved with the school. He seems to have done all these acts because of his radical religious beliefs (whereby he knows the opinion of God even on things not mentioned in scripture), but he was "discriminated against" (actually, just disciplined in a totally normal way and via totally normal channels) for acting in this way. He has conflated these two things. The school and the courts and most of us here can see that it's two different things: his beliefs (not discriminated for... he's been working there for years with no trouble) and his acts (disciplined for, because no teacher should act that way, regardless of their personal beliefs).
Liz Truss has given all the top jobs to people who aren't white men! They'll have the cost of living and energy crisis sorted by the morns morn:)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 08, 2022, 06:03:19 PMHe acted in a way absolutely unbecoming of a teacher, someone who is supposed to look after the well-being of minors and be an example to them, not make them the target of his ranting in front of everyone involved with the school. He seems to have done all these acts because of his radical religious beliefs (whereby he knows the opinion of God even on things not mentioned in scripture), but he was "discriminated against" (actually, just disciplined in a totally normal way and via totally normal channels) for acting in this way. He has conflated these two things. The school and the courts and most of us here can see that it's two different things: his beliefs (not discriminated for... he's been working there for years with no trouble) and his acts (disciplined for, because no teacher should act that way, regardless of their personal beliefs).
I actually agree with all of that but I was interested in the moral discussion around the idea in general rather than agreeing with Burke in any way. He won't come out of it with any sort of victory or martyrdom anyway
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 08, 2022, 01:46:04 PMWhat both perspectives? Your question about cats and dogs isn't Enoch Burke's perspective, it's whataboutism. Enoch Burke is all about his view of sexual depravity, end of days, book of Revelations stuff. There's nothing about cats and dogs. He would probably be nicer to someone who thought they were a cat because he would think that they are mentally ill rather than a vessel of satan.
A sexual deviant is overseeing the Biden administration's Monkeypox policy.
I shouldn't be getting back into this at all but I've just read that the student wasn't actually in any of Burke's classes. Wow.
Ok what are we being distracted from, or should I ask that in the conspiracy thread?
We've certainly forgotten all about the crooked property dealings of members of government parties, there's that for starters. Anything else we're forgetting about?
What
Quote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 11:32:06 PMI shouldn't be getting back into this at all but I've just read that the student wasn't actually in any of Burke's classes. Wow.
This was mentioned a couple of times in the thread. There was a link to an article about it:
Quote from: pete on September 07, 2022, 08:19:51 PMhttps://twitter.com/NoonanJoe/status/1567541294389395456?s=19
Yer man saw an opportunity to go on a very public crusade, and the ultimate target of that crusade was a pupil, most likely a minor, at the school he's a teacher at. The school went fairly easy on him tbh.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 09, 2022, 09:34:19 AMQuote from: astfgyl on September 08, 2022, 11:32:06 PMI shouldn't be getting back into this at all but I've just read that the student wasn't actually in any of Burke's classes. Wow.
This was mentioned a couple of times in the thread. There was a link to an article about it:
Quote from: pete on September 07, 2022, 08:19:51 PMhttps://twitter.com/NoonanJoe/status/1567541294389395456?s=19
Yer man saw an opportunity to go on a very public crusade, and the ultimate target of that crusade was a pupil, most likely a minor, at the school he's a teacher at. The school went fairly easy on him tbh.
Yeah that's me done with this one
I'm pretty sure that this could all have been swept under the rug if he had politely and privately approached the principal and asked not to interact with this student. Although it doesn't sound like he had to anyway.
I can understand him not wanting to use pronouns and comply with the nonsense, he could still have kept his job and avoided prison food if he wasn't a complete idiot.
Quote from: hellfire on September 09, 2022, 10:47:34 AMI'm pretty sure that this could all have been swept under the rug if he had politely and privately approached the principal and asked not to interact with this student. Although it doesn't sound like he had to anyway.
I can understand him not wanting to use pronouns and comply with the nonsense, he could still have kept his job and avoided prison food if he wasn't a complete idiot.
He 100% wants the publicity and will stay in jail for as long as he can. The whole Burke family is the same.
Yeah there's a discussion to be had but not with him as the face of it. Sort of like when we had Waters and Doherty standing up for our constitutional rights.
Quote from: pete on September 07, 2022, 06:58:02 PMhttps://www.loudersound.com/features/godfleshs-justin-broadrick-my-life-in-10-songs)
Just got on that again there. Great read really put me in the mood for a bit of jkb non Godflesh stuff must run through a bit tonight with the cans. Cheers
Quote from: astfgyl on September 09, 2022, 10:11:06 PMQuote from: pete on September 07, 2022, 06:58:02 PMhttps://www.loudersound.com/features/godfleshs-justin-broadrick-my-life-in-10-songs)
Just got on that again there. Great read really put me in the mood for a bit of jkb non Godflesh stuff must run through a bit tonight with the cans. Cheers
It's a great article.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 09, 2022, 01:15:02 PMYeah there's a discussion to be had but not with him as the face of it. Sort of like when we had Waters and Doherty standing up for our constitutional rights.
Do you agree now so that he was not suspended for his beliefs?
No, I still think his beliefs made him do it. It was needless, yes, but not to him by the look of it.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 10, 2022, 04:33:04 PMNo, I still think his beliefs made him do it. It was needless, yes, but not to him by the look of it.
But why don't you believe he was jailed for his beliefs then? Surely his beliefs are making him do it all?
Quote from: pete on September 10, 2022, 09:50:31 PMQuote from: astfgyl on September 10, 2022, 04:33:04 PMNo, I still think his beliefs made him do it. It was needless, yes, but not to him by the look of it.
But why don't you believe he was jailed for his beliefs then? Surely his beliefs are making him do it all?
Ah fuck I'm suffering from some sort of cognitive dissonance there you might have me on that one
Possibly maybe just a small bit
This type of thing seems to be happening all over Europe and will only get worse. When the centre fails to handle issues someone will be waiting in the wings on one of the extremes. Immigration and asylum policy has been fucked for about fifteen years now. Failure to acknowledge that has landed one of the most liberal countries on the planet in with this:
Swedish elections MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-astonishing-rise-of-the-far-right-sweden-democrats/ar-AA11LIk9)
Aye those Swedish figures were surprising to most people but I'm not completely shocked by them. Immigration hasn't gone so well over there of late and people are bound to look for the change that they see in rejection of the main parties over there. I'm not saying it's a good thing at all but when folks get the same policies no matter who they vote for, something is bound to give.
Edit: also this shit "Journalist Kenes, however, remains convinced that the party is a threat to democracy."
Democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Threat to democracy me hole. That's been twisted to shit and is the call of bullshitters everywhere when they don't agree with the will of the people.
Every election across Europe where it is raised as an issue people vote for less. Governments and media have lost all credibility at this point. EU immigration failure has resulted in widespread unrest yet they cling to their ideological position in spite of the displeasure of ordinary "citizens".
I agree with that and I'm not against immigration. Less of it in the one go would be a good thing though and would head off these extreme parties before they managed to build up a head of steam at all. Just look at how the Nazis capitalised on similar dissatisfaction after the Weimar Republic. We all know how that turned out.
It's mainly a shift within the "right bloc" of parliament though; the "centre-right" party, which was previously the biggest right leaning party, lost a lot of votes to the "far-right" party. But at the same time, in the "left bloc", the main Social Democrat party, despite losing a few but not many votes to the right, made net gains rather than losses. Sweden does seem to have become a mess alright though, and those riots earlier in the year really underlined to what extent their (lack of) integration plans have failed. The riots were instigated by a far-right figure who declared he was going to go through Muslim neighborhoods burning the Quran, and the young male immigrants fell into the trap, quite possibly signing their own extradition papers, so absent is their understanding of democracy and the fact that governments in the west really can change quite radically, especially from the point of view of a foreigner. Interestingly too, despite how much the right likes to use rape and sexual assault by immigrants to garner support, looking at the exit polls by gender, the left had a 15% lead among women while the right had a 13% lead with men.
Getting most of this vote/exit poll breakdown from an acquaintance from back home who studied in Sweden for a while and is doing a PhD in economics at LSE. He has lots more, with graphs, etc., on his twitter:
https://twitter.com/NeilWarner_/status/1569045694018912256
That's true that the shift is largely contained to the right leaning voters but either side heading to the extremes is a bad thing. Who knows though, maybe a right/left coalition will default to centre? Hopefully so. You're right those riots seem to have been a turning point there but I dunno how reactionary the Swedes are. Perhaps it'll put the shits up enough other governments to the extent they start working for the people there meant to represent but I wouldn't hold my breath. Also probably worth saying that the far right politicians will have their price just like any of the rest in due course, once they get their feet under the table.
I see a video doing the rounds of an Irish homeless person ringing up the Sunday World over their 2 page spread about a homeless asylum seeker needing a place to go. Now I don't know the details of how either ended up where they're at but the chap did ask a valid question, which was "where did you get the guy from the story from, did he contact you or did you just go out and find him?" Of course the guy from the paper fobbed him off to the editorial department and to me there was a whiff of something off about the video but how does the asylum seeking guy get an audience with the Sunday World and a 2 page spread when people here are genuinely struggling to get a roof over their heads?
This is the result of unfettered immigration policies which are failing both residents of the state and those who come seeking asylum but most of all what things like this will do is galvanise the nationalist movement as has been seen in Sweden (though I don't know if they suffer from an accommodation crisis or a simple lack of integration) and it might be in the current government's interests here to actually listen to what people have to say around the immigration/asylum situation instead of pissing down their backs and telling them it's raining for a change. Maybe don't just cry "far right!, far right!!" whenever anyone brings this up as an issue or else someday the real wolf will come and nobody will believe them. Those fables are carried over centuries for a reason.
Anyhow just some observations there, I don't know how the African lad got his 2 pages in the paper (though I suspect some help from a kindly NGO or three) or whether the Irish guy is bullshitting about his own situation (or indeed who is highlighting his plight, because he ain't filming himself) but it seems to tie into the discussion we've been having about Swedish people being driven to the fringes because the mainstream doesn't seem to represent them anymore. The likes of that article is a real own goal in terms of fostering any good feeling towards the asylum seekers, whether that was the intention or not.
I think the government here will appear to double down rather than listen, but as Mary Lou said lately (paraphrased) "there can be no cap on asylum seekers coming here", and I reckon it's out of the hands of the national government and appears to me to be the EU taking them in rather than the Irish doing it exactly and I don't think our lads have any control over the situation or can do anything at all about it other than try accommodate more and more of them.
It's not going away anyway.
Edit: now, saying all of that is only highlighting a problem either real or perceived depending on one's viewpoint so has anyone any ideas of what could be done to prevent exacerbating the situation (as telling people to simply suck it up surely will) going forward?
The Sunday World is a business. Their business is selling newspapers and/or getting people to click on their website to generate ad revenue. They thought this story would generate some revenue. Everything else above seems to confuse The Sunday World for a wing of the government.
Not at all. I would of course accept that they might do it to piss people off as much as entertain or inform them because no clicks are bad clicks but I was using it as an example of how things are presented and how it plays in the sticks so to speak. Now of course you already knew that and used your response to completely avoid any of the issues or questions raised in my post.
As you also realise, because you're not as thick as you're letting on in your response, the newspaper story was more of an introduction to discussing how these things are framed from a nationalist point of view and how these situations lead to things like the rise of extremism due to government policies and also how said government policies seem to be out of the hands of our national government and seem more like they are dictated to us from an EU level, due to things like what Mary Lou has been saying even in opposition.
People talk about dog whistles for nationalism and "far right" politics, but the whistle does indeed call the dog or no-one would be blowing it. I've written there about the proverbial crying wolf over the far right by labelling everything that doesn't agree with the political bent of the day as such. I've mentioned how eventually one day that wolf may come and no-one will believe it but will instead choose to vote for it, because whichever populist presents the solution to the ever growing league of the disenfranchised will seem to come as a saviour when I believe that most people would rather sit in the middle but with governments that actually heed their concerns rather than dismissing them out of hand and treating people like children because they have their own opinions.
Also at the end I've edited the post to ask what anybody has in their thoughts as a solution so it wasn't an entire post of simply presenting a problem but somehow you managed to miss all of that and contributed nothing to it other than a smartarse dismissal which didn't look half as smart to me as it must have looked to you.
Funnily enough though, what you've done there is precisely the sort of thing that the government here does when it comes to discussing anything around immigration and I guess upon reflection it really does tie into the general point I was making about how people become disenfranchised in the first place. Do you think if things here were less bleak for the general population (including all the working foreigners who've taken up residence here since the turn of the century) that the so called far right would gain any traction at all?
No, it's far better to dismiss people's concerns out of hand because that'll definitely bring them onside.
You're talking about a feature in The Sunday World and you're saying it, an article in a newspaper that upset an Irish homeless person, is the result of unfettered immigration. I'm afraid I don't see the logical connection there. If you want the real hard honest in your face truth of the matter, it's that over decades and decades the press has learnt that, fundamentally, people don't give a fuck about normal homeless people: people do not give a fuck about the homeless. The homeless do not sell newspapers, do not get clicks. This was the case before immigration began, it's the case now. "Oh, he's an asylum seeking homeless person? Hmm, yes, I think that has good traction for clicks among both the superficial left and the seething at the mouth looking for anything to rag on right. Let's print it!"
"Yeah, but wharrabou our own homeless!?"
Irish homeless people don't sell newspapers or get clicks. That is 100% NOT the result of unfettered immigration.
Same bullshit answer out of you again after I've already explained to you that it wasn't about the newspaper article and more about how the nationalist, Ireland for the Irish continent are framing something like that for their own ends, calling the dog with the whistle. That was the introduction to discussing about how these concerns can bleed into the consciousness of the general population who would otherwise be in the middle when it comes to immigration policies.
Again, you definitely saw this but wasted two posts distracting yourself about the intentions of the newspaper.
The original post was further to the discussion around the Swedish result which seems to show how the immigration/asylum policies of the EU (and to a lesser extent Ireland because it looks like they aren't banging their own drum on the matter) can drive people to an extreme position when there is no need if only governments would implement sensible policies around this or even discuss it without labelling all dissent as the far right.
So yeah, Sunday World or whatever. We all know how the papers work.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 13, 2022, 07:27:03 PMSame bullshit answer out of you again after I've already explained to you that it wasn't about the newspaper
Ignore him and he might go away. I've retired from answering the clown.
Jesus the sunday world is a tough read. Level of "journalism" is shocking. And the sports section is a bunch of Eamonn Dunphys writing the worst articles ever.
Tbf I only buy a paper based on the soccer coverage in it, and the Sunday Times is quite pricey these days
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 13, 2022, 08:04:16 PMJesus the sunday world is a tough read. Level of "journalism" is shocking. And the sports section is a bunch of Eamonn Dunphys writing the worst articles ever.
I was kinda hoping that cunt Aldridge would have thrown himself off a roof after his Precious's quadruple went out the window.
Quote from: hellfire on September 13, 2022, 07:59:49 PMQuote from: astfgyl on September 13, 2022, 07:27:03 PMSame bullshit answer out of you again after I've already explained to you that it wasn't about the newspaper
Ignore him and he might go away. I've retired from answering the clown.
Ah I enjoy him. Tis grand to have a lad to spar with. I can see how it can be frustrating but I'd have given up well before the first couple of hundred posts only for him.
I also completely disagree with his views on immigration.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 13, 2022, 07:27:03 PMAgain, you definitely saw this but wasted two posts distracting yourself about the intentions of the newspaper.
If I respond to you in a way that seems off from the point you wanted to make, it's genuinely because I was looking for a point and found a very different one to the one you had in mind. Not because I know what point you want to make and have chosen to ignore it. I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Is it just that there are people in the centre who will swing right if they start thinking immigration isn't being handled properly? Grand. They can also petition their local TDs about these things whenever they want, and the whole point of elections is to allow people to vote for parties that "represent" their interests, and then try to vote them out next election if they change their mind, or the party changes their policies, or because they felt like doing something different on the day. Unfortunately (?), outside of direct democracy, you're left with the choice of either pushing your "usual" party towards positions that you've moved to (this is what the Moderates party in Sweden tried, to present themselves harsher on immigration than they had done before), but then can you trust they'll fulfill these campaign promises once they're in? Or, you can switch your vote to a party that already embodies the position you've moved to. Taking Sweden as an example again, usual voters of the Moderates apparently didn't think they could be trusted to enforce their new policies if voted in, so many of them decided instead to vote for the party whose main pillar is immigration, etc., the Swede-Democrats.
With direct democracy, there'd be a lot more referendums on specific issues and a lot less of having to take the "bad" with the "good" when it came to voting for representatives. Personally, I'm all for more democracy, always, so I'd be all down for direct, even if the price was the occasional banning of building new minarets or whatever (one from quite a while ago in Switzerland). But if this is closer to the kind of answer you were looking for, I still don't have a clue what the Sunday World story had to do with any of it, but maybe that doesn't matter. Just yet to meet a vocally anti-immigration individual who had a genuine heart for "their own" homeless, as in, volunteered for a homeless charity or set one up, but by Christ they love to exploit the angle...
Here's the video anyway:
https://twitter.com/iamsaoirse_/status/1569652147548995584
Video could as easily be genuine as faked, but even assuming it is genuine, I hope the poor lad doesn't think he'll get any actual help from the likes of the account above who shared it on Twitter and Gript, who, unsurprisingly, have also covered it (and who are also unsurprisingly championing Enoch Burke). So, yeah; direct democracy as a solution? Pie in the sky though.
Nah we're back to the video now and the newspaper. I said in the first post that I found something off about the video and who is filming it but that's only what got me thinking, not a point in itself. I know that the anti immigration crowd don't give a shite about the Irish homeless other than to use them to make a point but they will certainly use them as part of a recruitment effort. Would you not think it'd be smarter of the governments throughout Europe to actually cap numbers of things like refugees or at least make them claim safe haven in the nearest safe country instead of making dole tourists out of them? Or deporting the criminal ones might show people they were ready to meet in the middle. I'll come back to this, the hangover is cutting me too deep at the minute
Fair enough on deporting criminals, I'm not going to argue that, even though it is clearly ripe for vicious abuse (see, for example, among which communities the highest numbers of false arrest and prosecution already happen in the west), but what about the majority who aren't criminals? Take, say, Turkey as a nearest safe country for many refugees. To what level of over-crowding and degradation should refugee camps in Turkey be allowed get before we suggest, "Maybe we should let some of these people move on?" And if you cap numbers of refugees then, on a human level, what happens to them? Either they get in illegally, leaving them few options other than crime or being criminally exploited (be that human trafficking, illegal factory or agriculture workers, etc.), or... well, they die somewhere else. Yeah, not our problem. Some people do consider it to be our problem though. The global, human "our". That's a political position, but one that can't be just wished away, no more than I can wish away political positions that have no problem playing a white homeless person against a black homeless person all while giving absolutely zero fucks what happens to either of them, and in a different context would be telling the white homeless person they only have themselves to blame.
My aunt is married to a Swede and lives in Gothenburg. They are both linen trouser and sandal types with whom
I disagree with on almost everything.
Both told me at my sisters wedding in the summer that the multicultural experiment in Sweden is an absolute catastrophe and must be reversed as a matter of urgency.
You can have all your humanity and your globalist fuckin' bullshit, the consequences of such are bringing the DUN DUN 'far right' into power in one of the most liberal societies on the planet.
And how many anti-immigration types have you met and thusly read their minds regarding homelessness? They have to set up a homeless charity before they are allowed to point the issue out in a political discourse? That's outrageous bullshit.
So there's that.
I challenged Gript about whether they bothered their arse following yer man's directions to go and find him and give him some of the attention he, and supposedly they, think he deserves. Watch this space, but don't hold your breath.
Was it Gript that filmed him? Not a hope they'll get back to you. I dunno why he didn't give his number anyway, he had time to give directions. No there was something off about that video for sure as much as it seemed a little shady where the African lad was found for the interview. Putting Irish vs non native homeless people into a battle to the death might be an idea though, it'd leave less looking for accommodation by half. Maybe do it by rounds and we'd have even less. The ultimate prize could be a solid gold house like yer man bought himself in the Simpsons, or more realistically maybe a mobile home in phoenix park instead of a tent. I've a better idea actually, make the prize a place in direct provision.
Regarding asylum seekers they should be vetted to whatever extent possible and sent back from whence they came quick smart. That'd be a start. If they do anything worthy of a custodial sentence they should be immediately deported the day they get out. Maybe a deportation strikes system? If they want to live here on the dole they should be given community work so that they are actually contributing something. Numbers should be capped to what the country can take in the first place even from EU countries because it might foster integration which is getting less and less as we go, or something like free movement from EU countries if you have a job. These are just ideas in throwing out off the top of my head btw. The integration one is a big one for me. The lads coming should be coming to experience our culture and not bringing theirs to us. They have their own countries to do that in if they so wish. For example using the Swedish situation if they'd taken it more slowly there mightn't be gangs of Middle Eastern lads acting the bollix or indeed local lads wouldn't know which street to go down burning their Islam bible.
Failing all that, District 9 style slums might be a solution as well
Double post
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 14, 2022, 12:43:01 PMMy aunt is married to a Swede and lives in Gothenburg. They are both linen trouser and sandal types with whom
I disagree with on almost everything.
Both told me at my sisters wedding in the summer that the multicultural experiment in Sweden is an absolute catastrophe and must be reversed as a matter of urgency.
You can have all your humanity and your globalist fuckin' bullshit, the consequences of such are bringing the DUN DUN 'far right' into power in one of the most liberal societies on the planet.
And how many anti-immigration types have you met and thusly read their minds regarding homelessness? They have to set up a homeless charity before they are allowed to point the issue out in a political discourse? That's outrageous bullshit.
So there's that.
Every country that is further down the track on this issue wants to remediate it. We will of course be the very last country to drop it and most likely won't be out of the EU until there is no longer an EU to get out of. The ideological resistance to doing anything sensible around it is amazing. Parties would rather lose an election than bend to what the public want.
The Moderates in Sweden did bend, but the Swedes still chose to go for the real deal instead. Parties bend all the time. Both Macron and Sarkozy's old party bent during their respective campaigns. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Edit: double post
QuoteParties would rather lose an election than bend to what the public want.
That's one of the craziest parts of it all, the doubling down and insisting there's no other way only what they're doing. Leads me to believe that a lot of it isn't really in their hands and is dictated by EU membership. It's the most rational reason I can come up with for a government going against the will of the people. That, or they've just gotten used to basically saying fuck you to everyone and getting away with it and think why should now be any different. Half the country here is running away to Australia and Canada and being replaced with a rake of dodgy foreigners. Everyone I speak to in daily life here is against the way immigration is happening here but they basically mean asylum seekers because I never hear anyone giving out about foreign students or polish lads. They're just not really wanted unless you work for one of the NGOs.
QuoteAnd how many anti-immigration types have you met and thusly read their minds regarding homelessness?
To be fair, I didn't hear a massive amount of that prior to it being used as it is now. In previous, pre asylum seeking and getting years, the Irish homeless were pretty much written off as junkies and scumbags. Anyway, regardless of how it's being highlighted and by whom, the point still stands that we should be treating our Irish homeless as well as the foreigners so I think we should put the Irish lads in direct provision. Remember the wheel of poverty that Philip Schofield was spinning there lately? A slot in that for direct provision would be great too.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 14, 2022, 05:36:59 PMThe Moderates in Sweden did bend, but the Swedes still chose to go for the real deal instead. Parties bend all the time. Both Macron and Sarkozy's old party bent during their respective campaigns. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
They should bend alright.. bend their fucking knees and go down begging for forgiveness.
European Spring, anyone?
You're always going to have homelessness as a result of drugs/alcohol/mental health etc, many of whom will refuse offers of accommodation. There is a burgeoning underclass of evicted families, low income couples etc who are effectively or definitively homeless, and one shouldn't conflate the two.
The Swedish moderates didn't 'bend' to anything above a symbolic grade, and are not trusted to do even that.
50,000 Serbs kicked Euro Pride the fuck out of Belgrade, they allow flights from Russia, do not participate in sanctions and nationalist demonstrations (extremely common) are not demonised as demonic far right agitators, quite the opposite. The news on Ukraine is a blend of Russian and western sources. Try any of that in an EU country and see what happens.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 14, 2022, 06:15:09 PM50,000 Serbs kicked Euro Pride the fuck out of Belgrade, they allow flights from Russia, do not participate in sanctions and nationalist demonstrations (extremely common) are not demonised as demonic far right agitators, quite the opposite. The news on Ukraine is a blend of Russian and western sources. Try any of that in an EU country and see what happens.
Try any of what? Are you asking us to see bullying a march out of existence as a good thing?
The people didn't want it, the people took action, the people got their way. Vučic told them to fuck off out of it, end of story. If the NP at home were run out of town having a march, you'd be the first one up, clapping and whooping ostentatiously.
The bullying was being done by 'queer' activists organising a massive march in a city and a country where that ideology is vehemently opposed. So fuck them. No EU country would be permitted to do so.
As for the 'try any of what'? 'question', I gave several other examples of things permitted in a non-EU country like Serbia that would never be allowed within the bloc. It's like answering a five year old, or a geriatric with poor eyesight except you do it willfully. Why do you do this?
QuoteThere is a burgeoning underclass of evicted families, low income couples etc who are effectively or definitively homeless, and one shouldn't conflate the two.
I agree and I'm not conflating the two at all, just pointing out the general attitude towards the homeless prior to the asylum years. There's definitely an element of hatred against those that's bringing some of the love for the native homeless. Not saying that's right either, we either care about their plight or we don't. A chap I know it's living down the river in a tent because he can't afford somewhere to live and the only lads that'll take him are the novas, which is full of criminals and heroin addicts so he won't take it. I will say though that he drank himself into that situation so my sympathy is limited despite my viewing alcoholism as a disease.
Bullying a parade out of existence is the only thing on your list, that I understood, that an average individual would have any power to contribute to, that's why I asked, "Try any of what?"
But I think right to assemble should apply to everyone and I've always thought "counter-protests" to neo-nazi rallies, or vice versa, demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of democratic values. So, no, I wouldn't be up clapping and whooping. This is why our scores on the liberal -> authoritarian scale were so different ;) I genuinely believe in freedom of expression for everyone. You just want what you don't like to be "kicked the fuck out"
I pointed out that they were booted out. There are still places on this continent where the police do their jobs rather than dance the Macarena at gay pride and arrest lads for WhatsApp messages and tweets. Those same places generally frown upon drag queen story hour and homosexuals simulating sex acts in front of kids and auld ones on the street. So fair play.
I didn't mean, you personally, 'try any of that' ffs. Jesus wept.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 14, 2022, 06:15:09 PMthey allow flights from Russia
As much of this is down to restrictions on commerce - the no flights in Europe I mean. It isn't so much that flights themselves aren't allowed overall but it isn't economically viable to run routes at the minute, passenger air included, in Europe due to the sanctions. Or so I am told by the freight forwarders I speak to regularly - I'm the logistics manager for a Russian Tech Manufacturer so I have had a bit of a run in with the system this year lol. I know it is much of a muchness since it still affects the flights ultimately but that would be the reason why. Also their own border trade with Russia is still stifled, I can't get a truck doing routes there at the moment (or couldn't a while back at least) because they were wary themselves of being party to violating sanctions - again at a company level rather than a national policy. Anyway just an aside to the rest of it there. I had also thought Serbia were in accession to the EU for sometime this decade or did I have that wrong?
Oh also if anyone is interested or following how any of it is panning out in the greater scheme of things I've been receiving parts in from Russia for months now but struggle desparately sending goods out and nothing we do is in any way sanctioned.
You moved to Spain in the wrong decade man; should have tried it in the 70s. But sure try Serbia instead, cos it seems you're driven as mental living in the west today as I would be living in, I dunno, Dubai.
They are a 'candidate state'. However, the Kosovo situation and a majority of Serbs being against accession mean it's on the long finger, if it ever happens.
A buddy of mine from Belgrade is in Madrid for business so we went out for dinner on Monday, the long and the short of it is, according to him, that Serbs are against or at least very reluctant. But as the years go by, they will feel the squeeze. It's a poor country, and their principal ally and trade partner is Russia.
The man in charge is a shapeshifting fucker. He used to be Miloševic's right hand man. Now he's, privately at least, mooting recognition of Kosovo. Totally unacceptable and horrifying to most Serbs.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 14, 2022, 07:14:17 PMYou moved to Spain in the wrong decade man; should have tried it in the 70s. But sure try Serbia instead, cos it seems you're driven as mental living in the west today as I would be living in, I dunno, Dubai.
Right on bro.
You should have tried revolutionary France. The penalties were harsher than humiliating yourself on the internet.
"He comes from Serbia, He'll fucking murder ya, Nemanja Vidic, Nemanja Vidic"
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 14, 2022, 06:59:38 PMI pointed out that they were booted out. There are still places on this continent where the police do their jobs rather than dance the Macarena at gay pride and arrest lads for WhatsApp messages and tweets. Those same places generally frown upon drag queen story hour and homosexuals simulating sex acts in front of kids and auld ones on the street. So fair play.
I didn't mean, you personally, 'try any of that' ffs. Jesus wept.
You think because some police forces take part in pride parades that they don't do their jobs. Ok then.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 14, 2022, 06:43:16 PMThe bullying was being done by 'queer' activists organising a massive march in a city and a country where that ideology is vehemently opposed. So fuck them. No EU country would be permitted to do so.
You are by far the biggest retard I've ever had the misfortune of coming across online.
Being gay isn't a fucking ideology, calling it so just illustrates how completely damaged you are, how completely warped and politicised your sense of reality has become.
This view you've put forward that gay people were fucking bullying the country of Serbia by trying to organise a pride march is so tragically funny it beggars belief. You have to be some sort of special little specimen to come out with drivel like that.
Gay men were beaten to death in the 80s and the perpetrators were let off, told they were great lads and that was that. That was Ireland in the 80s.
What's changed since then and now? Education, wealth? You said yourself it's a poor country. I wonder why it's always the shit holes like Serbia and Iran that hate gay people? Religion is the bread of the poor.
Your sort are not for the modern world. I can't imagine being so frightened and insular. Jesus fucking christ it's so depressing it's actually funny.
I'm currently watching an American sitcom called Community which ran from 2009 - 2015. It's not bad, some funny bits in it, but it certainly fits in the woke realm. It's remarkable how many of the jokes they made back then would likely have them crucified by today's woke standard. It's interesting to observe how quickly the parameters within comedy have closed in. The ideology must be nearing the end of its sway by now and we'll see a swing back towards something more edgy gaining a cultural foothold. Here's hoping.
Wow what a boring collection of clichés :)
Thanks for telling me that being gay isn't any ideology. So cool. I don't care or have any opinion on what anyone does in the privacy of their own home. Liking mickey is liking mickey. Nobody cares, or if they do, it's negligible. Each to their own. Who the fuck is defending gay bashers in the 80's? What, did you just watch a doc on the killing of Declan Flynn and throw that in there for effect? What kind of a kind of a fuckin' eejit are you at all.
'Religion is the bread of the poor'. Doesn't really work but whatever. You have your own religion, clearly, a super modern urban techno hippie one for cool people like you that doesn't involve decency, family or tradition or any of that bollocks, right? NO JUSTICE NO PEACE LOVE IS LOVE NO HATE SPEECH :)
But if you truly believe that there is no LGBT etc ideology, then you are either a gigantic spastic or you've gone further down the rabbit hole then you should have. Probably both.
Conflating an ultra conservative Islamic state like Iran (not that much of a shit hole) and Serbia (certainly no shit hole, get yourself on a plane and take a look) is pure ignorance, which your ad hominem and amateur psychologist bullshit can't mask. Not wanting hyper sexualised parades of semi-naked men simulating sex acts etc strutting around the gaff is not hating gays or anybody else. It's common decency. Iran and other places outrageous treatment of homosexuals is sickening and an affront to that same common decency.
Incidentally you are mistaking a worldview contrary to your own for being 'frightened'. What do you mean by insular? Like, I just have a cup o tae in the evenings and go to the match on Sunday, and wouldn't leave the county confines only for Mart? Fuck off will ya, if you're going to have a go, and you are within your rights to, at least summon the literacy to express yourself beyond cringeworthy internet tropes and words you think fit but you aren't sure.
'It's so depressing it's funny'
'So tragically funny it beggars belief'
Ha ha, so by the numbers:) go away now :)
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DP
Now you're having a go at double penetration! Have you no limit?
I'm too 'insular' for that :)
You know what they say, sex is great but you can't beat the real thing.
It's so tragic it's almost funny. Imagine being so insular and frightened not to take the high hard one up the Steve Harris, and at the double :)
:laugh: no mercy. Non merci!
Kev, if you come in waving the flag for Serbia in terms of what the ultra Orthodox church and their followers there managed to shut down literally by show and threat of physical force, then comparisons with Ireland in the 80s and with Iran are of your own invitation. No one (jesus wept, as you love to say) is saying the countries are identical, but with respect to the dominant institutionalized sect censoring people who hold views contrary to theirs, there are very, very obvious and legitimate parallels to be made. Democracy is not tyranny of the majority, as you seem to have convinced yourself in this one instance because it fits with your personal distastes. Funnily enough, when it has been about freedom of expression for people in the US or the UK or Spain, etc., that you agree with, you were all for freedom, all about the values of the west being upheld. You've spent too much time watching people who have zero intellectual or moral integrity and whose bread and butter is pushing contradictory views as long as it gets them clicks. And yes, there are liberals who do that too; they're just as bad.
It's not just the Orthodox Church though. It's an element, surely, but only an element. No comparison with the Islamic variety of virulent hatred for gays.
One month ago:
Quote"I will curse all those who organize and participate in something like that," [Bishop] Nikanor added. "I can do that much. If I had a weapon, I would use it, I would use that force if only I had it, but I do not."
https://balkaninsight.com/2022/08/12/serbian-bishops-curse-against-belgrade-europride-condemned/
That is an outright incitement to violence.
Nearly 85% of Serbians identify as Orthodox Christians. Now, if you had to make an intelligent, informed guess, do you think that percentage would be higher or lower among the protesters?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 15, 2022, 01:54:19 AMWow what a boring collection of clichés :)
Thanks for telling me that being gay isn't any ideology. So cool. I don't care or have any opinion on what anyone does in the privacy of their own home. Liking mickey is liking mickey. Nobody cares, or if they do, it's negligible. Each to their own. Who the fuck is defending gay bashers in the 80's? What, did you just watch a doc on the killing of Declan Flynn and throw that in there for effect? What kind of a kind of a fuckin' eejit are you at all.
'Religion is the bread of the poor'. Doesn't really work but whatever. You have your own religion, clearly, a super modern urban techno hippie one for cool people like you that doesn't involve decency, family or tradition or any of that bollocks, right? NO JUSTICE NO PEACE LOVE IS LOVE NO HATE SPEECH :)
But if you truly believe that there is no LGBT etc ideology, then you are either a gigantic spastic or you've gone further down the rabbit hole then you should have. Probably both.
Conflating an ultra conservative Islamic state like Iran (not that much of a shit hole) and Serbia (certainly no shit hole, get yourself on a plane and take a look) is pure ignorance, which your ad hominem and amateur psychologist bullshit can't mask. Not wanting hyper sexualised parades of semi-naked men simulating sex acts etc strutting around the gaff is not hating gays or anybody else. It's common decency. Iran and other places outrageous treatment of homosexuals is sickening and an affront to that same common decency.
Incidentally you are mistaking a worldview contrary to your own for being 'frightened'. What do you mean by insular? Like, I just have a cup o tae in the evenings and go to the match on Sunday, and wouldn't leave the county confines only for Mart? Fuck off will ya, if you're going to have a go, and you are within your rights to, at least summon the literacy to express yourself beyond cringeworthy internet tropes and words you think fit but you aren't sure.
'It's so depressing it's funny'
'So tragically funny it beggars belief'
Ha ha, so by the numbers:) go away now :)
Get the fuck off the internet. It has broken you. You massive loser :laugh:
Nah I'm alright thanks. As long as I'm annoying you, that'll do me. At least your man there has a few brain cells to run together and only occasionally feigns crassness and unbelievably daft comments.
You, on the other hand, who contributes fuck all to this board bar a handful of shite posts, are a genuine spastic. Good man :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 15, 2022, 09:23:05 AMOne month ago:
Quote"I will curse all those who organize and participate in something like that," [Bishop] Nikanor added. "I can do that much. If I had a weapon, I would use it, I would use that force if only I had it, but I do not."
https://balkaninsight.com/2022/08/12/serbian-bishops-curse-against-belgrade-europride-condemned/
That is an outright incitement to violence.
Nearly 85% of Serbians identify as Orthodox Christians. Now, if you had to make an intelligent, informed guess, do you think that percentage would be higher or lower among the protesters?
You lack understanding of the dynamics of the region, and I don't blame you. Orthodoxy is a national religion to Serbs, something they hang on to nominally. In fact, Serbs Croats and Bosnians are identified by their 'religion'. They are of the same ethnicity. Know what I mean?
Irish people have had and still do have an attachment to the Catholic Church. Adherence to its tenets? Not so much. It's a nominal adherence, symbolic but I suspect you half knew that.
The same is true of the Serbs, and I know a couple of dozen personally.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 14, 2022, 07:18:44 PMThey are a 'candidate state'. However, the Kosovo situation and a majority of Serbs being against accession mean it's on the long finger, if it ever happens.
A buddy of mine from Belgrade is in Madrid for business so we went out for dinner on Monday, the long and the short of it is, according to him, that Serbs are against or at least very reluctant. But as the years go by, they will feel the squeeze. It's a poor country, and their principal ally and trade partner is Russia.
The man in charge is a shapeshifting fucker. He used to be Miloševic's right hand man. Now he's, privately at least, mooting recognition of Kosovo. Totally unacceptable and horrifying to most Serbs.
Cheers for the explainer. I know no Serbs personally so my only dealings through the country are business/shipments on the odd occasion. From that lean it seems pressure from the EU to keep trade some way in line to keep their candidacy valid is likely too, but no way would they cut Russia out like the rest of the place here. (and they're right too, I don't agree whatsoever with Russia walking into Ukraine but also don't agree with the way trade with Russia has gone in light of it all).
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 15, 2022, 10:13:44 AMAdherence to its tenets? Not so much. It's a nominal adherence, symbolic but I suspect you half knew that.
The same is true of the Serbs
Had one surveyed participants at an anti-gay marriage rally in Dublin in 2015, there would have been significantly higher levels of religious adherence among them than in the general public. This is bleedingly obvious. At an anti-LGBT rally in Belgrade, spear-headed by public declarations from the Orthodox Church (not all of them quite so violent as the one above), there is every demographic reason to presume the same. But I suspect
you know that in full.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 15, 2022, 10:10:17 AMYou, on the other hand, who contributes fuck all to this board bar a handful of shite posts
:laugh: I'm not worthy! Very impressive post number there. Enjoy the board life man, you're made for it.
Kev just doesn't realize he's only a conceptual inch away from defending the suppression of catholic civil rights marches in Northern Ireland on the basis that the then majority didn't want them. Woop woop!
Yep, another world beater :)
Quote from: The Demiurge on September 15, 2022, 11:02:25 AMQuote from: Caomhaoin on September 15, 2022, 10:10:17 AMYou, on the other hand, who contributes fuck all to this board bar a handful of shite posts
:laugh: I'm not worthy! Very impressive post number there. Enjoy the board life man, you're made for it.
At least you are more succinct than our usual gobshite. It can be a chore reading over pages of horseshit. You manage to summarise your stupidity in a few sentences. Good job!
Just to recall that, yet again, it was Kev who chimed in with a monumentally ignorant but adulatory tangent about superstitious authoritarian Serbian bullies succeeding in suppressing a group of people's right to assemble. So, y'know, be careful how much of your arse you're showing there by suggesting objection to that is stupid.
Superstitious? Sure didn't I explain to you Orthodoxy is an identity, not a set of beliefs to most of them?
My views may be repugnant to you. They are fairly obnoxious to my Mrs sure. I'm not ignorant, as in lacking knowledge. You humiliate yourself consistently by sticking your beak in with vacuous waffle about places and times you know little about. I'll grant you, you dress it up like a hoors handbag with some impressive lexical flexing, but it's just BS.(C).
Homophobia in Serbia, as in essentially all Christian or formerly Christian or Jewish or Muslim, etc., countries, is either part of active superstition or it's a cultural zombie remnant of those same dominant or previously dominant superstitions.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows what was going on in barbarian societies before the Christian's gave them the gift of literacy.
I did learn while writing my dissertation that vikings were known to rape captured monks on board the boats and throw them into Dublin bay, laughing and whooping. Make of that what you will :)
I'm not saying the Abrahamic religions invented homophobia, I'm saying "our" homophobia stems from there. A detail anyway; you're praising Serbians for acting in a way that is typically representative of why Islam is said to be incompatible with western values. You get in a tizzy over how feminists can support Muslim rights, yet here you are beating your chest for Orthodox Christians & friends acting utterly in opposition to western values. We look forward to your praise next time some Muslim loon beats up a gay person in Indonesia or elsewhere. Try any of that in the EU and see what happens, amirite!?
What western values are these, out of interest? Family? Decency? Or do you mean culturally? All of those things are evaporating in front of you in favour of a global currency, a monoculture and an elephants graveyard for western wombs. Whatever idea of western values you have spun together in your head are not shared by me or anybody who thinks like me.
As I have tried to point out, and as you have wilfully chicaned around and out of (a highly irritating characteristic of yours, and I'm sure your other sparring partners will agree with), having a desire for your city to remain free of LGBT etc etc demonstrations is not indicative of hatred or fear of homosexuals.
I work with and have friends with who are gay, also an uncle. No worries, not a bother. Most of them are mortified by gay pride and the 'movement'. I hate gay pride but have no problem with gays. The same is broadly true of Serbs.
People have a right to assemble and celebrate things. Be it music, culture or whatever. You stop people doing that then you're a backward kip. You don't like a gay pride parade. Don't go to the fucking thing. I went to one. Music was shyte. Haven't been to one since.
It's a month long now. That's over the top.
Western values, as per the likes of Steven Pinker, etc., who say we're the bees knees compared to all other civilizations ever:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
Organisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/ (http://hungary)
Quote from: hellfire on September 16, 2022, 10:45:09 AMOrganisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/ (http://hungary)
Edit. That link isn't working so I assume you're in about the European parliament passing the motion on Hungary. If not apologies.
Don't we vote in the MEP's and the MEP's then vote in the president?
Secondly Orban has been stripping democratic processes in the country but this stance by Europe is wrong in the long term. Taking this stance only pushes Orban closer to Russia which is not what you want.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 16, 2022, 01:35:41 PMQuote from: hellfire on September 16, 2022, 10:45:09 AMOrganisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/ (http://hungary)
Edit. That link isn't working so I assume you're in about the European parliament passing the motion on Hungary. If not apologies.
Don't we vote in the MEP's and the MEP's then vote in the president?
Secondly Orban has been stripping democratic processes in the country but this stance by Europe is wrong in the long term. Taking this stance only pushes Orban closer to Russia which is not what you want.
Does this work for you
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/
Hungary is one of these places that Tucker Carlson and the lads champion.
Wasn't there a proposal by an MEP or 2 lately to get rid of the veto by member states? I'll have to go find that again to be sure, but I'm wondering if a symbolic gesture such as this could be used to further that argument? One of the first things it mentions is how Hungary can block things such as sanctions on Russia which let's be fair is rather inconvenient for the EU.
"This is dangerous to democracy" stuff again.
https://www.naharnet.com/stories/292199-scholz-backs-end-to-eu-veto-seeks-gradual-transition-to-majority-voting/print
There's a brief mention of it. I think they should keep the veto really. Ireland will have a say in fuck all without it, not that they carry much weight as it is.
Quote from: pete on September 16, 2022, 01:59:06 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on September 16, 2022, 01:35:41 PMQuote from: hellfire on September 16, 2022, 10:45:09 AMOrganisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/ (http://hungary)
Edit. That link isn't working so I assume you're in about the European parliament passing the motion on Hungary. If not apologies.
Don't we vote in the MEP's and the MEP's then vote in the president?
Secondly Orban has been stripping democratic processes in the country but this stance by Europe is wrong in the long term. Taking this stance only pushes Orban closer to Russia which is not what you want.
Does this work for you
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/
Hungary is one of these places that Tucker Carlson and the lads champion.
Aye that link works.i went to Budapest for 10 days a few years ago. Lovely city and cheap as chips. In our group we made sure to wear an Irish jersey as we had to explain on multiple occasions we weren't English and nearly got into a scrap because of it but I had a great time there. We went outside the city one day. Fuck me what a culture shock. Like going back 40 years and not in a good way.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 16, 2022, 01:35:41 PMQuote from: hellfire on September 16, 2022, 10:45:09 AMOrganisation whose leadership is appointed and has no democratic link whatsoever to people it governs decides country is undemocratic.
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0915/1323577-eu-hungary/ (http://hungary/)
Edit. That link isn't working so I assume you're in about the European parliament passing the motion on Hungary. If not apologies.
Don't we vote in the MEP's and the MEP's then vote in the president?
Not really, the European Council decides on a candidate and the MEPs say yes no or veto. The council is supposed to take into account the results of European elections when choosing a candidate. That's a pretty vague guideline. The decisions are made behind closed doors. If you have some time to waste one day have a dig through Wikipedia to see just how useless and powerless your MEP actually is. They might as well be talking in a bar for all the power they have.
I'm not saying Orban is right or wrong, just that its a Hungarian problem and shouldn't be decided by people with no mandate from Hungarians. Much like Merkel had no right to decide who the Greek finance minister was.
I traveled a bit in the country side and small towns in both Hungary and Slovakia and loved both. That wasn't yesterday, and I had local friends as guides both times.
EU neoliberal bollocks, Orban authoritarian bollocks... not really a head-to-head worth trying to prove anything off. They could always go for a Hungxit if they want.
Seems Vektor are on the cancel list
https://metalinjection.net/news/century-media-signs-drops-vektor-in-the-same-week
If I remember right the damning video evidence consisted of him throwing a pillow, that's enough to make him a wife beating rapist according to the internet
Quote from: Trev on September 16, 2022, 08:03:10 PMSeems Vektor are on the cancel list
https://metalinjection.net/news/century-media-signs-drops-vektor-in-the-same-week
If I remember right the damning video evidence consisted of him throwing a pillow, that's enough to make him a wife beating rapist according to the internet
There must be more to it then a pillow though no? As the whole band left except him that time?
Pretty fucked up story, but no more fucked up than the Depp versus Heard saga. Seemed to me (though willing to be shown wrong on this) that the Vektor lad was involved in a similar two-way abusive relationship, where getting to the 'origin' of any excess would be essentially impossible and possibly even meaningless. In which case, the main difference is that Depp is a much loved celebrity.
Thinking of moving to Martha's vineyard. If the rumours are true it's one of the greatest acts of trolling irl ever, but the rumours aren't usually true.
About sending the immigrants? They're hardly rumours with so many politicians, including The Sleepy One, commenting on it. Though that maybe naive on my part.
The rumour part was that DeSantis sent them on from Florida but I don't know if that's confirmed. They definitely ended up there to test the mettle of the local virtue signallers, who failed miserably. I'd like to see a similar thing done here with maybe a direct provision centre in Dalkey or Howth or a few thousand Ukrainians moved in there at the least. I wonder how things would change were it all to unfold on the doorsteps of the bourgeoisie or would the beatings simply continue until morale improved all the same?
Either way funny story.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 17, 2022, 07:51:18 PMThe rumour part was that DeSantis sent them on from Florida but I don't know if that's confirmed. They definitely ended up there to test the mettle of the local virtue signallers, who failed miserably. I'd like to see a similar thing done here with maybe a direct provision centre in Dalkey or Howth or a few thousand Ukrainians moved in there at the least. I wonder how things would change were it all to unfold on the doorsteps of the bourgeoisie or would the beatings simply continue until morale improved all the same?
Either way funny story.
Was it David McSavage who did the hidden-camera thing where he knocked on doors around Howth or Malahide (somewhere like that), posing as an RTÉ reporter, asking people if they would take in a Syrian refugee?
Then when they said "Oh, ABSOLUTELY we would!" he would beckon to a "refugee" from around the corner. "Great! Here you go!"
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-halton-school-board-prepares-for-backlash-over-trans-high-school-teacher
If teaching doesn't work I'm sure Gwar could find a position.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on September 19, 2022, 09:06:40 AMQuote from: astfgyl on September 17, 2022, 07:51:18 PMThe rumour part was that DeSantis sent them on from Florida but I don't know if that's confirmed. They definitely ended up there to test the mettle of the local virtue signallers, who failed miserably. I'd like to see a similar thing done here with maybe a direct provision centre in Dalkey or Howth or a few thousand Ukrainians moved in there at the least. I wonder how things would change were it all to unfold on the doorsteps of the bourgeoisie or would the beatings simply continue until morale improved all the same?
Either way funny story.
Was it David McSavage who did the hidden-camera thing where he knocked on doors around Howth or Malahide (somewhere like that), posing as an RTÉ reporter, asking people if they would take in a Syrian refugee?
Then when they said "Oh, ABSOLUTELY we would!" he would beckon to a "refugee" from around the corner. "Great! Here you go!"
Haven't seen that one but it seems to be pretty much what's after happening in Martha's Vineyard. They had signs up about welcoming everyone and all from what I gather.
Not a "non-indigenous" person to be seen or heard in these clips:
https://twitter.com/SpotterIrish/status/1571946701229035521
Is that supposed to be in favour of immigration because you found a clip of Irish eejits? Must be that whataboutery I keep hearing about. :P
It's weird how social deprivation leads to a criminal mentality. Who'd have seen it coming? I reckon someone should head down that road burning a few Bibles to see could they entice a bit of rioting out of them.
Neither in favour nor against immigration. Some folk just need regular reminders that lack of respect for authority on a broad and flagrant scale is not something that enters a country only via its ports.
Hang on! Wait a second... are you telling me THEY ARE TUNNELLING IN???
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 20, 2022, 08:47:10 AMNeither in favour nor against immigration. Some folk just need regular reminders that lack of respect for authority on a broad and flagrant scale is not something that enters a country only via its ports.
There's been talk since 2017 of using empty land in the area this happened (Cherry Orchard in Ballyfermot) to build up to 2,000 more houses. Development plans to provide the place with proper amenities seemingly haven't budged an inch since original plans were dropped in 2002, despite being put back on the table in 2015. A friend of mine bought a house in Ballyfermot recently, must ask her where exactly.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 20, 2022, 08:23:41 AMNot a "non-indigenous" person to be seen or heard in these clips:
https://twitter.com/SpotterIrish/status/1571946701229035521
Arm the guards and shoo... educate the cunts!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 20, 2022, 08:23:41 AMNot a "non-indigenous" person to be seen or heard in these clips:
https://twitter.com/SpotterIrish/status/1571946701229035521
Irish louts are just as bad as their foreign counterparts. We have learned from Sweden and London, however, that the knives and guns tend to be used on a far larger scale by the non-indigenous newcomers.
That's the case with gun crime in Sweden anyway, no doubt about that. Perhaps surprisingly though, their gun death rate per capita even today isn't all that much higher than Ireland's (a decade ago it would have been around half of Ireland's, so it's a massive and shocking rise for them to be hit with). In both cases, it's almost all down to gangs, one lot "indigenous" the other not.
Maybe second generation 'Swedes' at a stretch. The lack of integration makes them Non-Swede in all but name.
If you read the names of victims and convicts of knife crime in London over the last decade you will see a similar, indisputable trend.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 20, 2022, 10:15:23 AMIrish louts are just as bad as their foreign counterparts. We have learned from Sweden and London, however, that the knives and guns tend to be used on a far larger scale by the non-indigenous newcomers.
I doubt even the most deluded people could contend that Irish people don't have a hard core of incorrigible scum. Dividing things into two categories kind of helps. Some things are our problem and some things are other peoples problem.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 20, 2022, 11:26:04 AMIf you read the names of victims and convicts of knife crime in London over the last decade you will see a similar, indisputable trend.
The sociology and living environment, independent of race or place of birth, is the over-riding similar, indisputable trend in all three cases (i.e. including "white Ireland"), from my perspective. Or at the very least, it is all too similar to be mere coincidence. That many immigrants arriving in Ireland are placed in places like Cherry Orchard, which, historically, already have a huge home-made crime breeding problem, is basically just feeding the machine but with the result that people see "brown" people committing the crimes and so blame it predominantly on them being from places which they suppose have cultures impossible to mix with ours. Yet the underlying problems remain similar; no amenities, almost no planning on how to foster community, massive unemployment, insufficient or inappropriate schooling, etc., etc. In reality, if you fed those areas with more and more "white Irish" people, without doing anything to improve the area structurally and socially, then the resulting rise in crime would be similar. This has happened in the past in Ireland.
That doesn't explain why almost the overwhelming majority of London knife crime is committed by non-whites. Poles etc are legion over there, and it doesn't happen amongst them either.
Ireland is nowhere near the level of Sweden, parts of England or the hell hole banlieues in Paris, and I agree in part that despite all the rhetoric and diversity being strength etc it's not a picnic for a lot of lads coming over.
Most lads will agree that some immigration is healthy and inevitable. But flooding previously homogenous (relatively speaking) societies with vast swathes of people from incompatible cultures in Africa and the Middle East, saying nothing of Afghanistan, is totally mental and the results are there for anyone with a head on his shoulders to see. Sex crimes of all varieties, shootings etc are through the roof in Sweden since they decided to commit societal hara-kiri, so why not undo a failed, utterly disastrous policy?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 20, 2022, 12:46:32 PMThat doesn't explain why almost the overwhelming majority of London knife crime is committed by non-whites.
The majority of Poles in London only started arriving following their EU membership (2004) and they arrived trained and ready to work, and at the time there were jobs for them too. Most of the knife crime in London today is second and third ++ generation kids who grew up in underprivileged, under-serviced areas. So, it does explain it. And I'm sure if you go to Poland, you have more crime emerging from underprivileged areas.
Also, homicide rates in London are on a definite declining trend; almost half what they were 30 years ago. But, as hellfire pointed out to us recently, the proportion of non-white people living there hasn't gone down. So what has changed? I would put my money on gentrification, rather than any kind of direct government investment, having the effect of pushing the poor further and further out. Until they're no longer in London proper.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 20, 2022, 08:47:10 AMNeither in favour nor against immigration. Some folk just need regular reminders that lack of respect for authority on a broad and flagrant scale is not something that enters a country only via its ports.
No it's true, cunts are available in all colours.
Hefty slap on the wrist for these fellas now.
https://twitter.com/canmericanized/status/1572140722958241794
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Such a pity Trudeau doesn't have the power to freeze English bank accounts.
He's more annoying than Greta Thunberg and Eamonn Ryan taped together. Some sort of superdickhead.
Trudeau, the Fisher Price Hitler.
An unbelievable gimp.
Fidel Castro is his auld fella they say.
At least Fidel had style, charisma, he was a romantic figure. This lad tried to starve and freeze truckers families for defying the regime without any style at all.
At least he enjoyed himself in London after crying on national television over the Queen dying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzqtwussybc
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63050482.amp
Got a giggle out of this one. I don't even see what's wrong with what she said.
Still, the old apologised unreservedly is always a bit of fun
Kanye West and the CEO of Chris' wankbank Candace Owens getting it all ways for those 'White Lives Matter'sweatshirts. Amazing.
She's alright like, but she's no Stacey Dash! :laugh: :abbath:
One could clearly do this for lots of different topics and get different results, but the "by publication" is nonetheless revealing on this topic:
https://twitter.com/de_Pfeffel_/status/1578034989832097792?s=20&t=rZbsVeOJId8iB3cLp7USTw
Fact check: false.
Everybody knows euro notes make you impotent.
I haven't had a horn since the Irish pound
Tis aul Sister McAuley yiz are missing, that's all. Here, special Friday treat for ye, scha-wing!
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Ah sister McAauley, I can hardly stand to look at you since the euros broke my pipe :(
That Piers Morgan Andrew Tate interview. What a pair of absolute retards.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 07, 2022, 11:25:16 AMTis aul Sister McAuley yiz are missing, that's all. Here, special Friday treat for ye, scha-wing!
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This feels like the MW version of that scene in Peep Show where Jez goes to the sperm bank and uses a £20 for "encouragement" :abbath:
5 quid used to open a few doors. Now it's change from a pint.
Quote from: Ducky on October 08, 2022, 12:01:44 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 07, 2022, 11:25:16 AMTis aul Sister McAuley yiz are missing, that's all. Here, special Friday treat for ye, scha-wing!
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This feels like the MW version of that scene in Peep Show where Jez goes to the sperm bank and uses a £20 for "encouragement" :abbath:
Oh he's back. Objectifying women. Nice one.
https://twitter.com/BabelHodl/status/1578583611451748352?t=5SFpBGWgXtMXPhJJ7HDZXw&s=19
https://twitter.com/Ariel_Comedy/status/1579127426986422272?s=20&t=sRCfJreKidFXdJoEjjoTbA
Thought this belonged here. Somebody in the audience can't take a joke and launches a beer at a stand up comedian (they miss).
Some of the most hypersensitive people on the planet those types.
Kanye West is on a roll these days lol
Quote from: blessed1 on October 26, 2022, 05:25:20 PMKanye West is on a roll these days lol
I see one the first things Elon did when he bought Twitter was to unban him.
Well, he's really famous and forever saying outlandish things. Seems like a good business move. If his friends or family gave a shit he'd be in psychiatric care.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on October 28, 2022, 08:50:24 PMQuote from: blessed1 on October 26, 2022, 05:25:20 PMKanye West is on a roll these days lol
I see one the first things Elon did when he bought Twitter was to unban him.
According to musk he didn't do that but c'mon, West must be unreal for traffic. I'm looking forward to Twitter settling down soon though because it's pretty shit watching everyone trying to be as offensive as possible. Looks like fucking 4chan at the minute. Free speech great, this shit: boring
A while back I just stopped following a shitload on twitter, so now I just have a few musicians, two or three football accounts, and some webcomics. It's so much better without all the bollocks
Yeah I really need to do a good clearing out myself it just seems like it'll take ages and I'm lazy as sin
I need to do some blocking. I'm getting lots of the trannies and jk Rowling shite. Eddie Izzard has been trending for what feels like every day this month.
Aye the tranny stuff doesn't even interest me enough to be outraged by it. Same with most of the rest of it now.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1587156613894479873?t=DP0GvXtY4E9RneEWR-aBhQ&s=19
Here's a pretty funny one
Quote from: astfgyl on November 02, 2022, 12:02:33 PMhttps://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1587156613894479873?t=DP0GvXtY4E9RneEWR-aBhQ&s=19
Here's a pretty funny one
Fucking hell.
:laugh:
I love it.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/nov/23/waitrose-cuts-sun-tan-scene-from-christmas-ad-after-complaints
Embarrassing.
I wonder why more companies don't just ignore this fake outrage. Don't respond on any level and it will eventually wither on the vine. Nobody in their right mind finds any of this stuff insulting.
Loads of lads would buy shit from companies that swung the other way.
'It's not for girls' etc.
I think that most people find it all very transparent but are afraid to be shot down on social meedja. These are the same people who manage to turn every conversation back to their own "issues" and then wonder why they have no friends. In the past they lived alone surrounded by cats. These days their cats are also fucking celebrities. It's PC gone mad, Ted*
*Joking there, Chris.
Must be almost 30 years now I've been protesting that there's nothing amusing about a farmer's tan.
If you had your way you'd burn all their combine harvesters!
Would that help me with my annual farmer's tan?
Anything is worth a try.
Northern Monk brewery recently released a special edition Ireland stout, with an Ireland themed can, with IRELAND emblazoned on it. Ireland now, not The Republic of Ireland. Anyway, the can included a map of Ireland in the design. The problem? The six counties were lopped off. So they've recalled the cans. And, naturally, they're being accused of being "woke" for this, predominantly by British twats, of course. What does your inner Paddy tell ye on this one?
Their FB statement:
https://www.facebook.com/NORTHERNMONKBREWCO/posts/pfbid04uTLmBh3R2MrSQSYsa8LvQFPAEDjP2drqiiYiWErhgF1KbrGks1iSHMUzz9s2nGjl
It's the apologies that are the worst of it. Ignore these fannies, I'm certain sales wouldn't be affected in the slightest. now they look like complete crawling saps.
The lad in the comments makes a fair point, give them away by way of an apology :)
Haven't these tits ever heard the expression 'you can't please everyone'? It's fairly solid. The internet has the gaff fuckin' wrecked lads.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 07, 2022, 12:30:57 PMI'm certain sales wouldn't be affected in the slightest.
A bold claim. So you think the business is not acting in what they perceive to be their best business interests? Btw, Ireland and, notably, Northern Ireland are presumably important enough markets for them to care about.
I do believe they are, but that belief is misguided. Who do you know who would change their mind about buying that scoop because of the logo on the can? I can't think of a single person.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 07, 2022, 12:48:25 PMI can't think of a single person.
:laugh:
It's settled then! I guess this is what happens when your notion of statistics is derived from Fox News? A special edition IRELAND beer from a UK company that literally can't be marketed to half the population of the part of Ireland that is in the UK? Yeah, that's a massive fucking business fuck up.
Whatever man. I mean imagine the outrage in Crossmaglen when thirsty punters see those cans!
If they had a design of Ireland without Northern Ireland in it, would that not make Brits happy?
I'm sure big Jim Alister would have a big hard on over that.
Wow. So this is Christmas now? Vile.
https://youtu.be/i2z4ZpkO1Sk
That is about the most banal Christmas consumerism advertisement imaginable, apart from one lad getting dressed up as a girl in it. No wonder it's only gotten 8k views in over a month.
Suppose it'd be too much to hope that it's the consumerism you find vile :laugh:
Partly yes. Don't mind exercising, get pissed, fuck Jesus (but not you'll note,any other deity at Hanukkah or Muslim festivals) as they are out of bounds) eat a lash of cake. Pandering to the gays etc.
Christmas lost whatever meaning it had to most of us a long time ago, but this ad pissed me off. THE MESSAGE is the new Jesus.
I see Eddie izzard failed at his attempt to become a councillor in Sheffield.
But I see he's going back to boy mode to play a bloke in a film.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on December 07, 2022, 08:45:35 PMI see Eddie izzard failed at his attempt to become a councillor in Sheffield.
But I see he's going back to boy mode to play a bloke in a film.
Remember that episode of the Simpsons when the advertising hoardings came to life? That's the way to treat that stuff
Kanye West is either severely mentally ill or he's taking performance art to a previously unseen level.
He's a fuckin legend. Hahahaha. Been thoroughly entertained by his antics.
Jeremy Clarkson has got himself in a bit of bother about a paragraph in his column about Meghan Markle being made to walk naked while people throw poo at her.
To be honest, what he wrote was so over the top that I thought he was mocking people giving Meghan a hard time.
I see the rainbow/trans/other flag has had another update, this time to include a red umbrella to represent the sex workers. Now I might be a bit behind the times here, but it seems a bit odd to include that. Anyway idgaf, it's one less group to feel offended or left out I suppose. Also the flag is starting to look pretty funny now with all its randomness and poor design
Don't know anything about the flag thing, but I will take this opportunity to say that a personal conviction of mine is that if sex work, both from the worker and the client point of view, was a totally accepted part of our society, i.e. something that could be talked about openly, wouldn't be seen as shocking to find yourself sat beside a female or male prostitute at a dinner party level acceptable, it really would do fucking wonders for society in general.
Unless they were a fucken vegan.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 20, 2022, 03:50:28 PMDon't know anything about the flag thing, but I will take this opportunity to say that a personal conviction of mine is that if sex work, both from the worker and the client point of view, was a totally accepted part of our society, i.e. something that could be talked about openly, wouldn't be seen as shocking to find yourself sat beside a female or male prostitute at a dinner party level acceptable, it really would do fucking wonders for society in general.
Well I dunno about society in general but I really don't care if someone wants to do that for a living. It's them that has to do it.
And yeah unless they're a vegan lol
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 20, 2022, 05:02:00 PMUnless they were a fucken vegan.
Probably wouldn't swallow then
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I'm all for respecting hookers. They've helped me through some very hard times.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on December 18, 2022, 01:41:51 PMJeremy Clarkson has got himself in a bit of bother about a paragraph in his column about Meghan Markle being made to walk naked while people throw poo at her.
To be honest, what he wrote was so over the top that I thought he was mocking people giving Meghan a hard time.
It was just his usual hyperbolic guff, he's a mouth. The reaction to it is what's over the top, and highly embarrassing. It was a joke at the expense of a ghoulish empty vessel in The Sun.
His inevitable apology was just as sickening.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 20, 2022, 07:52:41 PMQuote from: Kunt 4 Life on December 18, 2022, 01:41:51 PMJeremy Clarkson has got himself in a bit of bother about a paragraph in his column about Meghan Markle being made to walk naked while people throw poo at her.
To be honest, what he wrote was so over the top that I thought he was mocking people giving Meghan a hard time.
It was just his usual hyperbolic guff, he's a mouth. The reaction to it is what's over the top, and highly embarrassing. It was a joke at the expense of a ghoulish empty vessel in The Sun.
His inevitable apology was just as sickening.
I'd have way preferred if he had the bollix to actually not apologise but I'm sure a brief message from his sponsors saw to that pretty quickly
I really hate all the dishonest snivelling apologies at the moment. Double down I say.
He's literally paid to create these scandals. As in, he's in it for the money. He's not going to double-down; that would be risky to his bank balance.
He only meant they hurl imaginary shit at her. He should have been clearer, hence the apology.
The backlash to all of this old tripe is coming soon anyway so we needn't worry too much
Fourth Reich fighting men
That's what we are!
We're living in the sewer but we're gonna go far :)
Just seen a headline for an article in the Independent which read "Immigration needs to be managed like everything else, but racism can't be tolerated" a massive shift from the prevailing lunacy of 2015 to 2020.
Holy christ, this Andrew Tate versus Greta Thunberg versus himself versus the Romanian police episode is absolutely the feel good story of the year, right in there at the very end. What an absolute mong.
Never heard of him before about 2 months ago and suddenly he's supposedly someone. What were the actual charges, human trafficking or money laundering? What's he even known for in general? Anyway, both him and Greta can go fuck themselves
Actually while we're here: Greta
Would you? :laugh:
Human trafficking and rape, among others. Had women in the house that he was forcing to shoot porn, apparently.
Never heard of him 'til the Thunberg thing TBH.
Quote from: Carnage on December 30, 2022, 01:56:29 PMHuman trafficking and rape, among others. Had women in the house that he was forcing to shoot porn, apparently.
Never heard of him 'til the Thunberg thing TBH.
Yeah fuck him from a height if that's his thing. It's not like there aren't many many willing prostitutes to do the same with. Can't understand his sudden rise to prominence at all though, saw a couple of his clips and there are thousands of lads on YouTube and Twitter saying the same things for years
He came out of his tiff with Piers Morgan looking great (who wouldn't), but he's another outrage merchant looking for YouTube clips. Delighted for him.
That was the first I heard of him I think, the Morgan thing. He might even be innocent yet, I dunno the details but there sure are a lot of Twitter folks displaying their proverbial Gary Glitter tattoos in support of him.
The tweet from Greta's handlers about not recycling the pizza boxes was funny as fuck either way.
Ya a right piece of shit. Fuck him. Hopefully he gets a dose of his own medicine in jail.
Judge just okayed holding him for a month pending further investigation. Happy New Year chap!
I only heard about his existence yesterday on the news. Ignorance is bliss ::)
I keep laughing at the smalldickenergy hashtag attached to him :laugh:
Everyone should just shut up about everything. Same people that were hating Greta Thunberg now singing her praises about some tweet so made about this other fuckin nobody. Ugh.
Two attention whores. Wouldn't be surprised if they end up setting up a PPV boxing match between the pair of them in the next year or so.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 03, 2023, 02:03:44 PMEveryone should just shut up about everything. Same people that were hating Greta Thunberg now singing her praises about some tweet so made about this other fuckin nobody. Ugh.
Ah the tweet was funny. She's still an absolute pain in the hole of the highest order. Same goes for him, he said an odd interesting thing but he also appears to be a pain in the hole. Fuck the two of them.
Surely the world has moved on to the next outrage by now anyway, it's been about 3 days! :laugh:
Some shit about Dana White was on my homepage but I didn't read it. Headline said apology and slap. That might be next..
The tweet was half funny, kind of. The critical fanny licking she's getting from other spastics on twitter and that cringeworthy article in the Guardian (you're shocked, I know) are just the pits.
As for the other fuckin' eejit, let's see how it pans out. Might be bullshit, but even if it is, he's nakedly pandering to the less intelligent and easier influenced on the right for YouTube clicks and simple attention, so fuck him. He's needier than my cat and greedier than my ex Mrs.
Haha I didn't know there was an article in The Guardian about it. Fuck sake!
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/31/greta-thunberg-andrew-tate-tweet
Try to make it to the end without muttering 'fuck sake' or 'spastic' :)
Even I don't read opinion pieces in The Guardian.
Some of the 'journalists' doing for the Irish independent are equally without merit of any kind.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 03, 2023, 06:25:23 PMhttps://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/31/greta-thunberg-andrew-tate-tweet
Try to make it to the end without muttering 'fuck sake' or 'spastic' :)
I didn't make it :laugh:
It was the recycling tweet I thought was funny. Didn't realise she'd coined the smalldickenergy thing, thought that was attached by the general public. Anyway they've both had too much of my time, I'll need something new...
Age dysphoria, anyone?
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-controversy-school-cordons-off-corridor-as-teacher-turns-up-for-second-day-defying-court-order-42264412.html
Quote from: blessed1 on January 06, 2023, 02:23:07 PMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-controversy-school-cordons-off-corridor-as-teacher-turns-up-for-second-day-defying-court-order-42264412.html
It's hard to tell who is more spastic in this case. Zero heroes.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 06, 2023, 02:26:34 PMQuote from: blessed1 on January 06, 2023, 02:23:07 PMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-controversy-school-cordons-off-corridor-as-teacher-turns-up-for-second-day-defying-court-order-42264412.html
It's hard to tell who is more spastic in this case. Zero heroes.
Pretty much. I love the fact daddy is dropping him off and picking him up lol
Some pack of gimps.
Hard to tell who is more spastic? Who even are the contenders??
The school and the pupils for playing this absurd gender game. Burke for not seeing it for what it is and not going with the flow until it blows over. What a cause to be a martyr to.
The brother sent me this "article" at lunch time with the accompanying text "The fuckin' state of this!"
https://www.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-showbiz/tommy-tiernan-blasted-by-rte-star-for-vile-and-racist-joke-about-zoo-animals/591282688.html
My choice cut from this report is the offended person stating "My anxiety is through the roof, heart racing, feel sick, can't eat, can't sleep, go outside." after attending the Tommy Tiernan gig.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on January 10, 2023, 03:38:48 PMThe brother sent me this "article" at lunch time with the accompanying text "The fuckin' state of this!"
https://www.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-showbiz/tommy-tiernan-blasted-by-rte-star-for-vile-and-racist-joke-about-zoo-animals/591282688.html
My choice cut from this report is the offended person stating "My anxiety is through the roof, heart racing, feel sick, can't eat, can't sleep, go outside." after attending the Tommy Tiernan gig.
Shes not offended. Shes just using it to get her name out there. And it's a shit joke anyway.
Saw that the other day, ridiculous. It's a shite joke (he's not that funny TBH) but come on. Someone wants to get her name in the headlines.
Edit: Snap!
It'd be good if we had the joke verbatim, cos the way it's retold there just doesn't make sense/isn't made up of proper sentences.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 10, 2023, 03:53:37 PMIt'd be good if we had the joke verbatim, cos the way it's retold there just doesn't make sense/isn't made up of proper sentences.
Agreed.
I saw him do the gag before Xmas - it wasn't that funny (I would butcher it if I tried to retell the joke now) and it's fairly tame by most standards. It has a fairly necessary visual component to make it work it as well.
Then again after seeing hundreds of live stand-up gigs here, in the UK and in the US, I'm probably fairly battle-worn. That and being of the opinion that there's very little that a joke can't be made about.
Come to think of it - there's another joke in Tiernan's latest show that I could see might cause "outrage" more than the one in question here. That one is actually funny and had 90% of the theatre rolling in the aisles whilst the remainder were looking around to see if anyone could see how incredulous and upset they were.
But like, did he make an analogy between a specific African animal and taxi drivers? Cos, if your set-up is; step 1) a zoo animal compared to a type of person; step 2) a zoo animal compared to a type of person; step 3) a type of person being exhibited in the zoo instead of an animal, then... eh... your joke format is fucked, and you've just portrayed African people as zoo exhibits, which is really not a great place to go at all at all, especially if your joke is shit...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_zoo
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 10, 2023, 04:22:32 PMBut like, did he make an analogy between a specific African animal and taxi drivers? Cos, if your set-up is; step 1) a zoo animal compared to a type of person; step 2) a zoo animal compared to a type of person; step 3) a type of person being exhibited in the zoo instead of an animal, then... eh... your joke format is fucked, and you've just portrayed African people as zoo exhibits, which is really not a great place to go at all at all, especially if your joke is shit...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_zoo
From memory - the premise starts with him talking about being born in Donegal. At age three he had to movie to Zambia with his family because his father took up a teaching post there - he worked for Teagasc.
"Imagine it! Fuckin'... imagine it! Speaking in a Donegal accent. In fucking ZAMBIA!" then Tommy does the Donegal accent.
At age 7 he ends up in London where his father is posted. A posh British schoolteacher asks him to introduce himself to the class so he stands up and in very broad African accent says "Ma' name uz Tommy Tiernan. How do you do?"
"Then! My old man gets sent home to Navan! FUCKING NAVAN! I go to school and say 'Awight mate, 'ow yew doin' me old chinah?' and they kick the shite out of me while roaring 'Brits out! Brits out!"
He says that he remembers his school days as he's taking his granddaughter around Dublin Zoo. The penguins are like nuns shuffling about with rosary beads and the African wildcats are like lads that he went to school with in Zambia. He does this bit of physical acting-out - up on his haunches looking in the distance, then peeking over his shoulder, looking ahead, back over his shoulder "Tommy! Uz that you! I know you, don't I!" - like the taxi driver that brought him to the zoo.
EDIT - Like I said - I've probably butchered it.
Well, not as much as it's been butchered in the social media posts or articles! Told like that, it at least makes sense :laugh:
That puts it in a totally different light. He doesn't give a fuck anyway. He got into bother a few years back about a down syndrome joke (which again was taken totally out of context) and it didnt harm his career then and more than likely wont now.
These woke rejects are practitioners of hot air. You just wait five minutes and the storm of pretend outrage evaporates. It's too much work to scream and rage about nothing in more than one or two directions at any given time. Trust me, I've tried.
Tommy Tiernan emailed the offended party (they both work for RTÉ) and apologised for any offence caused.
She posted the email on her Instagram.
No class whatsoever.
Comedy as an art-form is fucked.
Won't change too much in your conclusion, but it was mainly a phone call, and she didn't post the email to her instagram, just a post about the email, nothing quoted from it.
Still haven't seen anyone who was at the actual gig recalling whether Tommy told the joke more or less as he did the night you saw him Stout, or whether he botched it on the night she was there, dropping the context that made it make sense. Certainly the one time I saw him live, he botched the entire first half of the set.
She's demanding a public apology from him now. Like you said: no class. But, she's keeping her name in the papers, so job done.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 20, 2023, 04:01:10 PMWon't change too much in your conclusion, but it was mainly a phone call, and she didn't post the email to her instagram, just a post about the email, nothing quoted from it.
Still haven't seen anyone who was at the actual gig recalling whether Tommy told the joke more or less as he did the night you saw him Stout, or whether he botched it on the night she was there, dropping the context that made it make sense. Certainly the one time I saw him live, he botched the entire first half of the set.
Oh right - I got the impression that she had posted the email from the report that I
(half) read.
The email read: "Dear Emer, I'm so sorry about the hurt that a joke I told at Vicar Street on Friday night has caused you. It was never my intention for this to happen and I take full responsibility for it. It was dropped immediately from the set.
"I'm sorry that you came along hoping for a good night out and then got shocked and upset by something that I said. If you wish to speak with me about it, please send me your phone number. You were right to call it out as offensive and I will do my level best to make sure that something like this never happens again. Yours, Tommy Tiernan."As for the joke - I think that Tommy might be falling back into old habits - but I'm no expert.
However, I do think that I re-told his gag faithfully enough from when I saw it in Waterford late last year. Maybe he fucked it up on the night or he forgot the tags that lead up to it - a comedian of his skill can drop the ball the odd time - but I find that people, if they choose to be offended, only remember/re-tell the questionable bit.
Like when people do painfully bad versions of Billy Connolly bits back to you or like the old Eddie Murphy bit from "Raw" regarding Bill Cosby scolding him.
'What did the man say on the stage?'
'Pop, he walks out and he goes: "Hello, suck this, and MF and kiss my big black stuff. "And suck it and stick it down in your mouth and suck it, suck it."'
"You cannot say filth, flarn, filth, flarn, filth in front of people."
And I got mad. Because he thought that was my whole act. Like I just walked out on-stage and cursed and left. I manage to stick in some jokes between the curses. You couldn't give no curse show. Walk out, say, "Hey, Felt Forum, "motherfucker, dick, pussy, snot and shit. Good night. "Good night. Suck my dick. Bye-bye."
The apologising never works, it only encourages cunts more. I'm no fan of Jeremy Clarkson, but he's apologised twice for what he wrote about what's her face, fuckin' Megan, and he's still for the chop. Ralph Cifaretto too.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 20, 2023, 05:26:26 PMRalph Cifaretto too.
Took me a minute to make the connection. Well played, sir.
If you want to see offended go to Pink Floyd's facebook page. They released a new logo for Dark sides 50th anniversary with a rainbow in it and all the right leaning numpties are going spare. "I've listened to this band all my life but no more". Eh, when you listened to them did you ever look at the album cover. You fucking numpty.
I'm right wing and I was utterly mortified watching that 'Strange World' with the young lad, not because of the gay interracial shit precisely, just because it's so horribly contrived and made for MODERN AUDIENCES.
Yer man just laughed at me when I muttered 'what the fuck', like the sad old man I am.
What did Stinger say, 'there is no monopoly of common sense on either side of the political fence'.
Choon actually. I'll throw that on.
Free Now taxis pulled their sponsorship of The Tommy Tiernan Show. That amuses the fuck out of me.
The values of the carphone warehouse
Quote from: Carnage on January 20, 2023, 04:14:23 PMShe's demanding a public apology from him now. Like you said: no class. But, she's keeping her name in the papers, so job done.
Jesus it gets better. He issued a statement of apology today, Claire Byrne read it out
in front of yer wan, who was there with her in the studio and it still wasn't enough for her. She said he had to make a public statement - despite him having just done exactly that. What a fucking dimwit.
Fuck that woman. She a pathetic attention seeker and everyone can see it clearly.
You'd think he'd have more cop on than to pander to that shite.
I read her remarks about 'healing the community'. What the fuck is she on about?
On the other hand, the Stoic boys point out that you always have the option of ignoring bullshit and of having no opinion.
Who brought up that fantasy job of cutting turf? The milk bottle of tea and sangwidges dropped off by the faithful wife, book in front of the fire of an evening and the phone booted directly into the Atlantic sounds sweeter every time this shite is in the news. Megan, Zelenskyy, obese type two diabetes heifers modelling high end bras and knickers,that fuckin' EAT ZE BUGS WEF creep, apologies, THATS RACIST, BBC drops Fawlty Towers episode amid outcry. Ah here fuck this...
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0120/1349929-enoch-burke/
Quote from: blessed1 on January 21, 2023, 09:21:02 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0120/1349929-enoch-burke/
About bloody time, but sure he'll appeal and drag it through the courts again. That whole family are a stain on the jocks of the earth.
His next job interview is going to be great craic.
"So tell me, Mr. Burke, why did you leave your last position?"
https://www.rt.com/sport/570253-elon-musk-ivan-provorov-lgbt-scandal/
Great little story about the US liberal intolerance of anyone's religious convictions. All bow before the ever expanding acronym
Russian Orthodox Ice Hockey player refuses to dress himself up like a wanker in rainbow coloured gear, predictable 'uproar'. The way it's framed by this 'reporter' is fucking nauseating. 17th century Scottish Covenanters were more tolerant of dissent than the church of gay.
His shirt is now almost impossible to get anywhere in any size, sold out completely. Twitter twats and online 'journalists' and what John and Mary down the road think are clearly two completely distinct things, happily.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ivan-provorov-nhl-player-boycott-on-teams-pride-night-tribute-disrespectful-to-gay-community-agent-1.6718859
There's a picture of the trans flag being laid out as a swastik which I think sums up alot of commentators about it.
From what I see he's been very respectfull about it and hasn't preached his views about it or caused a scene.
"How dare you not do something we tell you, you Terf, racist, naxi homophobic bastsrd "
Exactly, he just said I'm not doing it, here's the reason, end of story.
These people demand orthodoxy and shit the bed when they meet resistance. Actual normal gay people either don't give a fuck or are embarrassed by all this shite.
My cousin's gay and he's been called a homophobe for some of the things he's said because he doesn't fall in with the alaphbet soup twitter crowd. I think some of the extremest do alot more harm than good.
(Regarding the Asher's case, he said "I know I should boycott them, being a fruit and all, but I love their sausage rolls too much").
Kinda looking forward to seeing Hogwarts Legacy smash up the charts and record books.
Quote from: 91/30 on January 21, 2023, 11:47:08 PMhttps://www.rt.com/sport/570253-elon-musk-ivan-provorov-lgbt-scandal/
Great little story about the US liberal intolerance of anyone's religious convictions. All bow before the ever expanding acronym
Found out through this (maybe I knew but had forgotten?) that rt.com is now fully blocked in France, had to switch to VPN to see this.
Same in Spain.
Says it's not secure for me rather than blocked but I can't open it.
They don't tell you sites are blocked in transparent language, that would be too honest.
For fear we knew what was going or had an independent thought.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 20, 2023, 09:58:12 PMFree Now taxis pulled their sponsorship of The Tommy Tiernan Show. That amuses the fuck out of me.
Verbatim 'prejudice of any kind against taxi drivers is unacceptable'.
You couldn't make it up, so ridiculous.
'Cameraperson'. Watching that documentary about the homeless hitchiker killer guy and two (so far) cameramen are credited as such. 'Player of the match', that's another one. Jesus.
:laugh:
It's official- we are dinosaurs and the world is leaving us behind.
Quote from: Carnage on January 22, 2023, 07:03:10 PM'Cameraperson'. Watching that documentary about the homeless hitchiker killer guy and two (so far) cameramen are credited as such. 'Player of the match', that's another one. Jesus.
I was watching Celtic v Morton and the female co commentator (on BBC!) said man of the match. Fair play to her, she'll probably get sacked though.
Player of the match just doesn't have the same ring to it at all. Pointless anyway as it's not a mixed sport yet.
What is the cunts call linesman now? Refs assistant? Why?
Well some of them are women. They've been calling them refs assistants since before that though so I reckon the idea behind the name change was something else, like to try make them feel more important in the hope it would instill competence in them or something along those lines
Quote from: astfgyl on January 22, 2023, 08:19:56 PMPlayer of the match just doesn't have the same ring to it at all. Pointless anyway as it's not a mixed sport yet.
If sports would be mixed, there would be only men playing, at least when it comes to the top games/matches. OK, females might have a chance in knitting.
Anyone get a look at the mixed doubles final in the knitting championship this year?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 20, 2023, 10:08:10 PMThe values of the carphone warehouse
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do you follow the values of Jesus or Buddha or Marx? No. I follow the values of the Carphone Warehouse... committed as they have been these past twenty years to fighting racism through the unusual medium of discount phone retail.
Went to investigate whats going on with Tiernan and the one he's scrapping with posted an inspirational quote on her twitter last night. Thing is she's quoting herself.
https://twitter.com/EmerONeill14/status/1617649125914447874/photo/1
Quote from: CorkonianHunger on January 24, 2023, 11:35:20 AMWent to investigate whats going on with Tiernan and the one he's scrapping with posted an inspirational quote on her twitter last night. Thing is she's quoting herself.
https://twitter.com/EmerONeill14/status/1617649125914447874/photo/1
Jesus Christ. She deserves all rhe backlash she's getting.
Absolute spa.
Something I just wondered about, dont know if this is the right place but im here now.
What does Greta Thumberg do for a living? What she do to earn a crust?
Tbh I know fuck all about Greta Thunberg other than being some sort of environmental activist, but i do find it pretty funny that a child makes people so angry.
I'd imagine that she's a student, she's still a teen, surely? 20 at most.
She kinda got famous for bunking off school to protest so I'm not sure she's even at uni.
Quote from: Carnage on January 21, 2023, 11:05:01 AMQuote from: blessed1 on January 21, 2023, 09:21:02 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0120/1349929-enoch-burke/
About bloody time, but sure he'll appeal and drag it through the courts again. That whole family are a stain on the jocks of the earth.
Seems he turned up again today and hung around outside the gate until gardai came and drove him home.
Was he arrested? Surely a trespassing/harrassment charge and barring order will have to come now. Stronger case against him now that the students have written an open letter asking him to stop.
He actually turned up twice today :laugh: Gardaí took him away 70mins after they arrived (why try to reason?) and he went straight back after he got out of the station. Great picture seeing him outside locked gates for the 2nd visit, like a cat waiting for an owner to let him back in - it actually looked like a WWN sketch.
Haha, it really did!
https://youtu.be/_HJIbr-63wc
He's loving all this 😄
reprehensible! not a scintilla! all the words!
Perfectly entitled to turn up to his place of employment??? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Penny doesn't drop for this lad at all.
I'd be willing to purchase an attack dog for the school. Let it out every time her man rocks up.
He's like meatloaf in fight club at this stage
https://www.lambgoat.com/news/37929/against-mes-laura-jane-grace-and-life-of-agonys-mina-caputo-get-heated-over-social-media-post/
Enoch is needed to settle this.
QuoteThis sort of gender critical rhetoric has come under fire from large numbers of the transgender community and its allies
Translation: this sort of calling a spade a spade is upsetting people who can't accept that they are in fact a spade because being a spade is not really in vogue at the minute because spades are not special.
Anyone ever read The Sneetches?
Dr Seuss to the rescue.
My kids love that book.
Quote from: Circlepit on January 26, 2023, 05:27:45 PMDr Seuss to the rescue.
My kids love that book.
It's brilliant though admittedly I often fall on the message myself
Ah here
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-64488231.amp
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 02, 2023, 06:37:41 PMAh here
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-64488231.amp
I thought banning Amhrán na bhFiann was worse. Can't abide that Ireland's Call shite. Banning the Tom Jones song is fairly stupid as well. It hasnt caused any issues whatsoever. As the meme goes "1984 was not intended to be an instruction manual"
Re that last point, yes, stuff like banning a song like Delilah has tones of 1984 to it, but I'm much more taken with parallels to Brave New World, in which humanity is lulled into non-resistance via pleasant distraction. I guess it's also cos that's where I feel more anesthetized myself. Guess we're more like somewhere between the two. Stuff is censored à la 1984, yet only in the most superficial sense, because you can gain access to almost anything via giant corporations who pipe it straight to your computer or mobile phone screen, in a colourful, neurally rewarding package, and all for an affordable monthly fee.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 03, 2023, 10:18:07 AMRe that last point, yes, stuff like banning a song like Delilah has tones of 1984 to it, but I'm much more taken with parallels to Brave New World, in which humanity is lulled into non-resistance via pleasant distraction. I guess it's also cos that's where I feel more anesthetized myself. Guess we're more like somewhere between the two. Stuff is censored à la 1984, yet only in the most superficial sense, because you can gain access to almost anything via giant corporations who pipe it straight to your computer or mobile phone screen, in a colourful, neurally rewarding package, and all for an affordable monthly fee.
Great point.
I never knew the song was about murder. I never paid any attention to it. It's funny to me that it became a terrace anthem with that in mind, but yeah, I wonder who complained about it. Probably some doughy 20 year old non-binary whose hobby is having things banned in areas s/he otherwise would have no interest or involvement in*
* pure speculation but not far off the mark, I would wager **
** there will be no payout when Chris proves me wrong.
I never read Brave New World. I might take a look. In a lot of these cases people and organisations are practising self censorship. The orders don't need to come from the state, complaint or an NGO anymore. It's a race to see who can be the most virtuous and cleanest in the hope that a random Twitter post doesn't take your business right out.
There a neurotic blue haired gender bender pulling the strings somewhere. I just know there is.
Haven't read Brave New World in a very long time myself. Someone mentioned something fairly key from it a couple of weeks ago, something about negative conditioning, and it didn't ring any bells at all.
As an aside. The government and media seem happy enough to smear any protest against a lunatic immigration policy that has failed everywhere else as far right. I'm sure there are some people at the protests with shitty political opinions, but there are an awful lot of working class people at them who just want the basics of life such as accommodation. How dare the filthy working class untermenschen disagree with the educated. They've even tried to play up the attendance of some criminal elements at them. They are all far right criminals who would do well to educate themselves.
Quote from: hellfire on February 03, 2023, 12:24:27 PMAs an aside. The government and media seem happy enough to smear any protest against a lunatic immigration policy that has failed everywhere else as far right. I'm sure there are some people at the protests with shitty political opinions, but there are an awful lot of working class people at them who just want the basics of life such as accommodation. How dare the filthy working class untermenschen disagree with the educated. They've even tried to play up the attendance of some criminal elements at them. They are all far right criminals who would do well to educate themselves.
I have no problem with protests but having them outside where asylum seekers are staying I do have a problem with. The asylum seekers didnt create the issue. Successive governments with terrible policies created this housing crisis. Protest the fuckers who caused it.
Quote from: hellfire on February 03, 2023, 12:24:27 PMAs an aside. The government and media seem happy enough to smear any protest against a lunatic immigration policy that has failed everywhere else as far right. I'm sure there are some people at the protests with shitty political opinions, but there are an awful lot of working class people at them who just want the basics of life such as accommodation. How dare the filthy working class untermenschen disagree with the educated. They've even tried to play up the attendance of some criminal elements at them. They are all far right criminals who would do well to educate themselves.
The Government are getting desperate because none of the tactics they have tried so far to stop the protesting has worked. They know that as the weather gets better over the next few months the protests are going to become much bigger.
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 03, 2023, 01:31:46 PMQuote from: hellfire on February 03, 2023, 12:24:27 PMAs an aside. The government and media seem happy enough to smear any protest against a lunatic immigration policy that has failed everywhere else as far right. I'm sure there are some people at the protests with shitty political opinions, but there are an awful lot of working class people at them who just want the basics of life such as accommodation. How dare the filthy working class untermenschen disagree with the educated. They've even tried to play up the attendance of some criminal elements at them. They are all far right criminals who would do well to educate themselves.
I have no problem with protests but having them outside where asylum seekers are staying I do have a problem with. The asylum seekers didnt create the issue. Successive governments with terrible policies created this housing crisis. Protest the fuckers who caused it.
I'd agree that terrorising traumatised people is not a good look for anyone. I think the protests will get worse and not better. The political class will continue ignoring it and dismissing valid concerns. This was easily predictable as it's happened in every other European country that's attractive to migrants. The next phase is thoroughly unfortunate. Buildings that are marked for asylum applicants will be damaged or torched. I'm not in any way saying that's right, but it's happened everywhere else.
The problem with the protests is a lot of them seemed to be aimed at the migrants themselves rather than the government.
If a protest was purely aimed at the Government's failure to house its people I'd be right there, but as soon as it becomes fear mongering bollocks about all migrants being 'unvetted military aged males' here to rape and pillage they've lost me.
I live in an area that had one of these protests a few weeks back, all these people screaming at migrants in the name of 'protecting the women and children of the community'.
All I could think was where have all these vigilantes been the last 30-40 years when the local drug gangs have been grooming kids into becoming drug dealers from the age of 10, only to be shot dead by 20.
Seems to me that all the government have to do is address the valid concerns and then there'll be nothing left to say about it. Say a certain percentage get here with no documents well then send them back. Say if we are taking Ukrainian refugees well and good but then let them be Ukrainian refugees. I don't even mind the immigrants but it's a contentious issue that shouldn't be simply smeared as far right every time there's concern voiced at any of it. The protests will probably grow the more they're ignored or smeared for right or wrong. It all reminds me a bit of the Martha's vineyard thing in the US a few months ago. Move the lads into some of the more upmarket areas and see if anyone minds. Either way it doesn't seem to me like it'd even be hard to solve at all and still take refugees and even economic migrants once they've legally got here and are good to stay. The Irish are no different heading here there and everywhere for economic reasons as well as just fancying something new. If there was a loophole into Australia or Canada there'd be no shortage of takers. It's certainly up to the government rather than all our new citizens
A lot of the rage is misdirected for sure. Angry people behave like assholes a lot of the time. "What you did won't work, what you're calling for won't happen" before a call to resolve these issues through a political system that has insulted, abandoned and stated unequivocally that they won't be dealing with any of the "legitimate issues" repeatedly.
Residents in Ballsbridge went to the high court to stop a refugee centre opening in the area and they were successful but not a word about them being far right or racist for doing it.
Quote from: mickO))) on February 03, 2023, 02:40:20 PMResidents in Ballsbridge went to the high court to stop a refugee centre opening in the area and they were successful but not a word about them being far right or racist for doing it.
Well yeah that's to be expected, the upper classes are always going to be more secret or devious in how they do things.
It's also in the upper classes interests to have the working classes fighting each other, which exactly what these protesters are playing into.
The ballsbridge story is fairly normal carry on as things go here indeed
That Ballsbridge story was almost 25 years ago. They should be housing refugees in that area though; loads of space. Jury's hotel could easily be appropriated, for example.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 03, 2023, 03:01:18 PMThat Ballsbridge story was almost 25 years ago. They should be housing refugees in that area though; loads of space. Jury's hotel could easily be appropriated, for example.
Seriously 25 years ago? Ah forget that then I thought it was only after happening
Quote from: mickO))) on February 03, 2023, 02:40:20 PMnot a word about them being far right or racist for doing it.
And here's An Phoblacht/SF calling them out for bigotry at the time:
https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/6551
I didn't know it was 20 years ago but they still won't attempt to put another centre there now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 03, 2023, 03:01:18 PMThat Ballsbridge story was almost 25 years ago. They should be housing refugees in that area though; loads of space. Jury's hotel could easily be appropriated, for example.
I think that is an excellent idea. It works on a few levels for me. Not just for Ballsbridge but all upscale neighbourhoods. There are a lot of smug prick's that are quite happy to tut at the peasantry while never having to deal with the consequences of their moralising. Also, there was never a chance that the government was going to listen to some uneducated ruffians from a council estate. Put the lads in beside the wealthy and when they kick off then watch how fast a change in policy happens. Shave a couple of hundred grand off the value of these peoples homes by building massive asylum centres in their areas. A pipe dream of mine would be to have a few hundred of them living near the Irish Times and RTE offices.
Quote from: hellfire on February 03, 2023, 04:17:11 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 03, 2023, 03:01:18 PMThat Ballsbridge story was almost 25 years ago. They should be housing refugees in that area though; loads of space. Jury's hotel could easily be appropriated, for example.
I think that is an excellent idea. It works on a few levels for me. Not just for Ballsbridge but all upscale neighbourhoods. There are a lot of smug prick's that are quite happy to tut at the peasantry while never having to deal with the consequences of their moralising. Also, there was never a chance that the government was going to listen to some uneducated ruffians from a council estate. Put the lads in beside the wealthy and when they kick off then watch how fast a change in policy happens. Shave a couple of hundred grand off the value of these peoples homes by building massive asylum centres in their areas. A pipe dream of mine would be to have a few hundred of them living near the Irish Times and RTE offices.
I too would like to see that happening
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 03, 2023, 03:43:10 PMQuote from: mickO))) on February 03, 2023, 02:40:20 PMnot a word about them being far right or racist for doing it.
And here's An Phoblacht/SF calling them out for bigotry at the time:
https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/6551
Only tangentially related but the father in law tried to get John Aldridge to sign a copy of An Phoblacht back in the late 80s or early 90s, had it folded over but the fucker opened it out
Of course they won't , the government wants the working classes competing for resources.
However, the protests being labelled far right is due to them targeting the migrants themselves, the rhetoric used (fearmongering about migrants all being dangerous criminals) and the source of the information the protesters seem to use - the National Party/Gript etc.
If these people were purely protesting the housing crisis no one would call them far right.
Aye the issue should be housing. Not for 1 group but for all. We didnt build social houses for a few years in the 2010's. Absolute lunacy. And the housing market needs proper regulation. Oh we can't interfere in the market. Bullshit. The market enables vulture funds to buy estates for the high returns. They should be banned forthwith from being able to buy properties until housing is sorted. And do something about the, is it 200,000 or so, derelict/vacant properties.
The government also wants the protests to be labelled as far right, obviously. And unless such protests start getting smart and policing themselves and the rhetoric they amplify, they'll continue to play into the government's hands on that score. It's a very long shot, long game to be banking on a potential swing in voting patterns, especially in Ireland.
If one credible party ran with a clear promise to reduce immigration and asylum numbers they could take a decent chunk of the vote. I know the IFP exists, but they are a bit too Alex Jones for most people.
My twitter feed today has been Graham Linham and India Willoby all day. Don't even follow either of them.
I blame Elon musk and question time.
Quote from: hellfire on February 03, 2023, 06:51:27 PMIf one credible party ran with a clear promise to reduce immigration and asylum numbers they could take a decent chunk of the vote. I know the IFP exists, but they are a bit too Alex Jones for most people.
Not for you though? Bleerin immigants wha?
Quote from: hellfire on February 03, 2023, 06:51:27 PMIf one credible party ran with a clear promise to reduce immigration and asylum numbers they could take a decent chunk of the vote. I know the IFP exists, but they are a bit too Alex Jones for most people.
The IFP are a bit too IFP for most people.
I don't like the way the EU has gone, the internecine squabbling and 'far-righting' of the Poles and Hungarians etc, but an Irish withdrawal is out of the question, so why waste time with lads like the IFP. Bureaucratic globalist ghouls, but what can you do?
As far as the protests go, and I think this point goes for Europe-wide resistance (which is substantial), the point about allowing the state and its propaganda department to swat them and their credibility away with editorials and headlines screaming far right is correct. The constant harping on about military aged single men and plantations is the kind of hysterical screeching you read on twitter from their foolish counterparts on the left and is just as dumb.
The identitarian movement skilfully evaded that trap for years until they were essentially kicked off the internet, crippling them.
For most right thinking Irish people, a happy medium should be found. There is no denying the outrageous behaviour of certain immigrants in the gaff. If you're a guest in the country and you are caught hassling women, trashing hotels etc, you should be handcuffed and sent back to where you came from. On the other hand, genuine cases should be treated with respect and a degree of empathy. We're not a country used to being so attractive to immigrants, therefore the alarm at the startling numbers was hardly unpredictable. Throw a thousand homeless families in Dublin into the mix and it's a recipe for vehement indignation.
Just saw that ep 3 of The Last Of Us has also undergone a review bombing, with 28% of all votes on imdb being 1/10. The perpetually offended by anything that doesn't conform to traditional abrahamic values brigade never fails, even in a case where the non-conformity in question is 100% perfectly aligned with the "canon" of the long-standing material in question.
Kev, while I agree with a lot of what you said the EU in it's current form is completely unacceptable. It dictates to the citizens of Europe based on a number of non negotiable ideologies. It ignores referendums or decisions made at a national level. The main beneficiaries of it are the larger central European states. Everyone else may fall into line. The only way I'd be happy with it is if it was busted back down to a trade agreement.
I agree, the EU is cuntish in a whole raft of areas, and it's previous incarnation is far more palatable. Does anyone outside Brussels want a European identity to overwhelm national ones? It's the possibility of Ireland ever leaving is so minute that what the IFP are selling is unfeasable.
I watched a Slovenian film called spare parts when I was in college (about people smuggling through Slovenia) and the opening montage was a truck driver becoming very emotional at the homogenisation of the continent and how places used to be distinct on a more than superficial level. All interchangeable now, bar touristy shite and, to an extent, cuisine and a lot of the so called traditional stuff is for tourists. That's the really sad part of globalisation, horrible multinational high streets, gradual erosion of what makes gaffs different and unique, doing what desk jockeys in Brussels tell them.
Only one MCDonalds in Belgrade, that brought a smile to my face but every other 'must have' like Zara and Starbucks pollute the streets and the EU cunts have left them no other option but to seek membership against the wishes of the majority.
The disconnect between the people making decisions and EU citizens is dangerous and unhealthy. The organisation as a whole needs to be disbanded, removed from the law books of countries and replaced with a trade agreement. Immigration is fine and a normal part of life. What is not OK is the mass importation of people at a rate that society can't adjust to and infrastructure doesn't allow for. Ridiculous legislation that is contrary to the good of individual member states is also an issue. The expansionism is also a major issue. No doubting Putin is a crazy cunt, but provoking him by courting Ukraine for EU membership contributed to the current situation.
You have to wonder what motivates some of the decision making. I know there have been some precedents, ourselves over in England, Turks and Yugos in Germany to fill a genuine lack of manpower, but the thinking behind what we are witnessing since 2015? I don't get it. Virtue signalling on a grotesque scale?
You should get rid of the idea of anyone up in the highest decision making places giving a shit about virtue, let alone virtue signalling.
I'm under no illusions about their lack of virtue! The WEF in particular.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 04, 2023, 11:46:58 AMYou should get rid of the idea of anyone up in the highest decision making places giving a shit about virtue, let alone virtue signalling.
Yep but it suits them all very well to have other fuckin eejits at it
With Jimmie Åkesson in Sweden and the likes of Giorgia Meloni in Italy, I think people would be daft to try say Ireland would never creep in that direction.
Meloni ruled out leaving the EU even before she was elected.
I meant in terms of voting in those types as opposed to anything to do with leaving the EU.
Well yeah, maybe. Italy and Sweden have situations which are a bit further down the road that Ireland but if the government persists with what they're doing, could happen alright. It'd need someone a bit more charismatic than Justin Barrett though.
Italy and Ireland are chalk and cheese, imo, with regards to geopolitical situation. And for us to go the way of Sweden would require a prior hard swing left. So, say if SF got in and, in the opinion of enough people, botched things, then we might get a swing far right to follow. That's the only path I see leading to that place in the foreseeable future, say a 20 year window.
German Panzers will be rolling east in the coming months so don't rule anything out.
'Ukraine must be helped to defend its sovereign territory, it's the right thing to do'.
https://mronline.org/2022/08/01/west-prepares-to-plunder-post-war-ukraine-with-neoliberal-shock-therapy/
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/02/04/deportation-of-failed-asylum-applicants-to-be-accelerated-says-harris
Looks like a bit of appeasement, but the important part is that they'll be asked to leave rather than actually sent away so back to square one unfortunately. Again as I've already said, it doesn't even seem like a hard problem to solve
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 05, 2023, 11:24:05 AM'Ukraine must be helped to defend its sovereign territory, it's the right thing to do'.
https://mronline.org/2022/08/01/west-prepares-to-plunder-post-war-ukraine-with-neoliberal-shock-therapy/
You're not seriously trying to suggest that someone is going to profit from this noble war and its aftermath are you?
Another thought I had this morning is about the potential irony when the push for diversity homogenises everything.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 04, 2023, 06:23:30 PMItaly and Ireland are chalk and cheese, imo, with regards to geopolitical situation. And for us to go the way of Sweden would require a prior hard swing left. So, say if SF got in and, in the opinion of enough people, botched things, then we might get a swing far right to follow. That's the only path I see leading to that place in the foreseeable future, say a 20 year window.
It seems to be happening in all countries that are popular destinations for immigrants and asylum seekers. I don't think it will take 20 years. A maximum of five if immigration continues at this pace. It will continue at this pace because of the recent UK policy changes.
Look at Kosovo sure. The Albanians think they've gotten one over on the evil Serb oppressor, but it's a spectre, a wight, neither a state nor a province. It's an American colony now home to an enormous military base to protect the interests of vultures like Madeline Albright (an evil fat bitch now thankfully in the ground, who discarded her own Czech identity).
Ukraine will go the same way if the Russians are forced out. The difference is, Serbia saw the writing on the wall and were told straight up by Atahari that if they didn't withdraw, NATO bombers would raze the entire country to the ground. Keep in mind, Kosovo was/is part of their sovereign territory (yeah but that's different lads slava Ukraine or whatever these cunts say and wave that flag with the gay one out the window like good lads and don't be reading things).
It's genius really, a gigantic confidence trick. Do you remember when you read about the feudal system or Spanish behaviour in the Americas or the destruction of the peasants revolt in Germany? You'd have thought 'jaysus what an injustice, I'm glad I live in such a civilised and fair society by comparison'. Do we feck.
These cunts have us all squabbling on the internet and have taken away wir ability to see the wood from the trees.
Quote from: hellfire on February 05, 2023, 12:50:28 PMIt seems to be happening in all countries that are popular destinations for immigrants and asylum seekers. I don't think it will take 20 years. A maximum of five if immigration continues at this pace. It will continue at this pace because of the recent UK policy changes.
A maximum of five years either for one of the establishment Irish parties to shift as far right as either Meloni's or Åkesson's parties or for some new such far right party to rise up to a power-challenging level? I have a very hard time seeing either of those things happening within 5 years in Ireland, of all places, even if immigration continues at whatever pace "this" pace is. Maybe if parties like IFP were getting above 5% of the vote share already, but they're very fucking far from that. Even in Sweden, Åkesson was already on almost 6% back in 2014.
IFP won't ever go much further than YouTube and Twitter. They lack any kind of credibility, even with me. I'm voting Aountu next time out because of their Eurosceptic stance and immigration policy. I believe they're currently polling at around four percent.
Are those parties (the Italian and Swedish ones I mean) even far right or is it just that they're right of centre on immigration and thus painted as extremists? I think that phrase has lost a lot of meaning due to overuse anyway. None of the Irish right leaning parties have a hope anytime soon, and I'm inclined to agree with the shepherd on that one but I think even the 20 years is being kind unless someone extremely charismatic emerges as the face of it. Hopefully someone with a funny moustache
I quite like Áontú in a way myself but they've no-one in my area so I'll just have to watch how they get on. I don't agree with an awful lot of what they say either but for the same reasons as mentioned I like their stance on Europe and unfettered migration.
Far-right is just another label for unapproved thought. It means fuck all but lads are terrified of the stink that it attaches to you. Against mass immigration? Debunk 'black romans/black King Charles II/dislike films portraying historical European figures as black? Think a month is OTT for gay pride? Think you can't change gender?
You are a far right now.
I noticed the government in a few months before all these protests started bandying about the far right term a lot. They knew their bullshit was about to have consequences and amped it up. People who object to this immigration nonsense have to be far right. If not they might have a reasonable argument that needs to be addressed.
If they have reasonable arguments, it's up to them to make sure those arguments are favored over the literal far right ones. They don't seem very good at doing that though, as I said above. It's in the sitting powers' interests for anyone anti-immigration to portray themselves as ranting lunatics, and the most vocal element of the protesters seem more than happy to oblige on that front.
I disagree with that. Any anti-immigration stance made public will get you tarred and feathered immediately. There is no tolerance for dissent. Keep in mind, the government is taking its orders from elsewhere and total war tactics are to be used.
The whole immigration 'issue' is just a smokescreen for decades of government neglect.
And any right wing government isn't all of a sudden going to care about the working class, even if they reduce immigration.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 05, 2023, 01:58:05 PMI disagree with that. Any anti-immigration stance made public will get you tarred and feathered immediately.
Are there cases of people who
only had sensible, pragmatic, reasonable arguments against current immigration policy? People who didn't tar and feather themselves by association with xenophobic loons, and who ended up tarred and feathered on the basis of their reasonable arguments?
The quality of the arguments is in the eye of the beholder, as is the feasibility of the solutions. The fundamental question of whether or not a problem even exists is also a matter of opinion.
Clearly I would favour a sterner and more decisive hand than you would.The governments position (on this issue) aligns more closely to your own, although I'd hazard to say their reasons for holding that view is less well intentioned than yours.
You're the one who said "any" anti-immigration stance will get you tarred and feathered, eye of the beholder or not, any means any, so I'm just wanting to know if there's any basis for that, any examples, any cases you know of.
About 98℅ of recent protestors
Almost 98% of recent protesters only have reasonable arguments, vocally distance themselves from primarily xenophobic arguments, but are tarred and feathered anyway?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 05, 2023, 02:17:06 PMYou're the one who said "any" anti-immigration stance will get you tarred and feathered, eye of the beholder or not, any means any, so I'm just wanting to know if there's any basis for that, any examples, any cases you know of.
Outside of the 'military age men' and 'plantation' (cringe!) shite or 'burn them ourra the gaff' or similar, almost all the arguments I've heard of varying degrees of merit.
'Look after Irish people first' seems to trigger the fuck out of the left, and the SF leadership but it's perfectly valid in my view.
'Women are scared to walk down the street because of sexual harassment by Afghanis' is considered racist, but it's a logical reaction to a persistently occurring issue.
'Homeless people, regardless of how they got into that situation, are offered shelters with basic conditions which they are often afraid to use because of the risk of theft or assault but Somalis are housed in hotels which they subsequently trash' is somehow a slur on blacks as a whole, but it's startling that such a practice is allowed to happen.
"housed in hotels" for many, Somalis and of other backgrounds, meant dozens sleeping on floors in function rooms. I don't know about stories of hotels getting trashed, but I'm not saying it hasn't happened either. Not going to take anyone's word on it though. "Look after the Irish first" annoys the left because it's not on the agenda of the people in power, just as it wasn't actually on the agenda of UKIP to look after the British first.
Mary Lou tweeted 'vile' in response to graffiti saying 'Irish first' or words to that effect. It's astounding really.
The media will not report such disturbances as happened in the city west hotel if it can be avoided but video evidence is freely available.
Another issue is the corruption of the words 'refugee' and 'asylum seeker'. The former in particular. If you are an Eritrean refugee, there's no need to go all the way to Ireland to find safe haven. The sheer volume of Ukrainian refugees means that neighbouring countries cannot be expected to burden themselves with millions, but some of these boys are chancers of the highest order. I don't blame them by the way, if I was living in a lawless shit hole failed state and a stable, wealthy country was willing to take me in and give me free stuff, I'd be on the next boat over, as would anyone.
A riot took place in the City West hotel about 2 weeks ago which was reported in the media as a disturbance and a small fight, Stabbings happened in a hotel in Kerry around New Years and Guards have been in and out of the East Wall building a number of times over the last 2 months.
I'm not sure how often you get home BSC. I'm sure you've heard about it without having lived it. People are really struggling here. You can't expect people not to react to people from abroad being housed when they are not. All these extraneous measures that are bring used to house refugees are the same measures people have been begging for the last ten years or so. People on low incomes are being driven to their wits end. The country is at breaking point. Anyone earning less than 40k a year is in a very precarious position at the moment.
Which of the above events are "Somalis" specifically responsible for?
Quote from: hellfire on February 05, 2023, 03:01:58 PMI'm not sure how often you get home BSC. I'm sure you've heard about it without having lived it. People are really struggling here. You can't expect people not to react to people from abroad being housed when they are not. All these extraneous measures that are bring used to house refugees are the same measures people have been begging for the last ten years or so. People on low incomes are being driven to their wits end. The country is at breaking point. Anyone earning less than 40k a year is in a very precarious position at the moment.
I'm absolutely sympathetic to this. But, as I said, typically speaking those who promise to stop immigration and look after nationals just don't give much of a fuck about
anybody who needs help, regardless of their origin.
A tighter immigration policy solves a lot of the supply and demand problem. Tightening up on economic migrants would free up a lot of space. Up until last year the asylum process accounted for a very small amount of total immigration. Removing access to welfare for anyone who has not worked for five years since they arrived would also help enormously. Social housing should be restricted to Irish citizens. I'm not incredibly concerned about the motivations of whoever does it.
What you should be concerned about is the integrity of those promising to do it.
Why so?
Well it was principally Somalis who tore up the City West a few weeks ago.
So Somalis are responsible for that. Sorry, 'Somalis'.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 05, 2023, 03:24:11 PMWell it was principally Somalis who tore up the City West a few weeks ago.
As I said, I'm not going to take anyone's word on this. And the videos I personally saw contained nothing to suggest a specific nationality being the principal protagonists. If you have something solid, please provide. Otherwise, your claim that blaming it on Somalis is a reasonable argument is not reasonable at all.
Quote from: hellfire on February 05, 2023, 03:23:41 PMWhy so?
Why be concerned about the integrity of people promising to solve all your woes by concentrating on a scape-goat rather than positive action they're already doing for you? Oh, I dunno, because human history in general?
Well if you'd like we can substitute the word Somali for African? I mean you can see from the videos it's not a traveller wedding or a junior B GAA team losing the run of themselves after being told the bar was closing.
I'm more concerned with what's happening now rather than what now than 80 years ago. You know, like a large unaccountable organisation overriding the will of the citizens of my country based on an ideology which reeks very strongly of communism/socialism. That sort of thing.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 05, 2023, 04:00:09 PMWell if you'd like we can substitute the word Somali for African? I mean you can see from the videos it's not a traveller wedding or a junior B GAA team losing the run of themselves after being told the bar was closing.
Okay, so we have to back pedal one step because, as I guess you just found out, there doesn't seem to be any credible reason to claim it was principally Somalis. Were they all Africans? Again, I don't know. Plenty of pale skin in the videos I saw, could be from any number of places, including eastern Europe and/or Ukraine. Do you have anything credible at all regarding where the principal protagonists are from? And would you be willing to say where you got your initial idea from that they were indeed specifically Somalis and so it shouldn't be a problem to say so? I did see the claim made on social media, but the sources I saw it coming from weren't exactly what I'd call "reasonable" individuals.
The media, as you must know, are never going to report on a riot by immigrants, especially in a Dublin hotel, much less disclose the nationality of those involved.
So, mainstream news outlets aside, who do you want to confirm this to you? The truth of the matter is plainly visible (if not what their identity papers say), but that truth is unpalatable to you. It's as simple as that. Your desperation for proof that they are, in fact, Somalis shows this.
The only pale-faces in the videos I've seen are onlookers, paramedics and Garda.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 05, 2023, 02:27:04 PMSomalis are housed in hotels which they subsequently trash
This was the initial truth you presented as the kind of "reasonable argument" that would get someone unjustifiably tarred and feathered.
Turns out it may well get you tarred and feathered, but only because if pressed on where the notion came from, it seems it'll ultimately lead back to some fairly unreasonable sources. That's all I was saying to begin; that as far as I've seen, anyone getting tarred and feathered is doing it to themselves via association with unreasonable sources from the far right that they should, even if only strategically speaking, be actively trying to distance themselves from if they actually want to demonstrate that their arguments are reasonable rather than ultimately motivated by racism or xenophobia.
What "truth" you're now trying to say is unpalatable to me, I don't know. Do you think I think people of African origin never commit crimes or are incapable of starting a riot? I'm talking about the extent of far right propaganda and dog-whistling within the anti-immigrant protest movement. That there is a genuinely proactive far right propaganda network whose aim is to plant bullshit in the minds of individuals of precisely your kind of sensibility, I can understand that that truth might be unpalatable to you.
I've just seen an article on US school having to put up an official apology for serving fried chicken and watermelon for lunch during the black history month. Jesus christ on a bike, what's happening in the movie Idiocracy is not in our future, we are living it right now.
You've seen the videos of immigrants housed there turning the place upside down. Again, the 'indo' or whatever it is you judge to be a creditable source are never going to give you the whole picture.
So, in the highly unlikely event that the person who filmed the incident has something against Somalis in particular, and if, as you yourself claim, they are housed in city hotels, I fail to see the logic in labelling them as Somalis rather than Africans or any other group unless they were.
In any case, they are clearly immigrants behaving badly. Can I verify with my contact in Reuters that they are, in fact, Somalis? No. So you can have that one. Harping on and on about it rather than accept the reality of the situation is making the pair of us spend more time typing out shite on the phone.
Who are these shadowy right wing fanatics? Can you confirm their existence? Garda files etc? Sure there are lads who are on the extreme end of things in there. You, as usual, underestimate my intellect and others who think differently to you, and imply that unapproved thoughts, or worse, unauthorised 'misinformation' spreading only come organically to mindless fanatics before being dripfed to emptyheaded dullards from broken homes.
Quote from: warhead on February 05, 2023, 05:20:29 PMI've just seen an article on US school having to put up an official apology for serving fried chicken and watermelon for lunch during the black history month. Jesus christ on a bike, what's happening in the movie Idiocracy is not in our future, we are living it right now.
Black History Month. MONTH. What about Chinese history month? Or Gypsy History month. So fucking demented.
The reality of the situation is that the anti-immigrant movement is run through with xenophobic rhetoric and that this is no accident. In one sense, it does make no difference whether you say Somalis or Africans. What's important to the xenophobe is that people get it deeply into their heads that the reason they are rioting is not because they are stacked on top of each other, 800+ in a place designed to accommodate 300, but because they're from Africa and therefore "animals", or whatever. But psychologically, if it's stated that they're specifically Somalis or specifically Nigerians, or whatever, it makes it sound like there is a higher level of factual basis and credibility to the claim, like someone has "done their own research" and found this out, cos you won't hear it in the MSM, yadda yadda yadda yadda. Keep people focused on the racial aspect, that's the intent, that's the dog whistle, and that's what those with reasonable arguments should be wise to. Reasonable arguments about immigration have no need to evoke a racial aspect and would be much more strategically effective if they didn't.
Your last point is absolutely right.
Personally I'd be giving it large in exactly the same way if they were Ukrainians or Chinese or whomever. It's the ungratefulness of these lads that rile most people up rather than their colour or any other inimitable feature. If it's not the lap of luxury they were expecting, they can go and take a good fuck to themselves, they are not entitled to that.
Xenophobia has been a feature of human nature since we've wallowed in the shite with the animals. We've moved on, but you can't expect everyone to simply accept massive numbers of outsiders being transported into their midst with a shrug of the shoulders. That's doubly true when they start acting the prick.
My last point is absolutely right, yet in your list of "reasonable arguments" two out of three just happened to have an explicit racial aspect.
And it's not the ungratefulness of "these lads" that rile most people up. It's the way the narrative is spun that riles most people up. That's how it works!
"Minor property damage to furniture and minor injuries to a small number of individuals following unrest that broke out in severely overcrowded temporary accommodation"
vs
"Somalis trash hotel they are housed in"
Hmm, I wonder which of those two framings is more likely to rile people up? And if I was, say, an absolute racist cunt whose primary intention was to stoke xenophobia far and wide (referring to the Twitter accounts I saw spinning this narrative), I wonder which I'd choose. A real fucking head-scratcher, eh?
Afghanis hassle women. Somalis(apparently) are the ones who trashed/rioted in a city hotel. What's the racial aspect to either point, only that their nationality was pointed out? In any case, it would be implicit, rather than explicit if it existed at all).
If a journalist pointed out that they were Ukrainian, would that be a 'racial' issue, them being mainly slavs and all? Or are all white people (them being a monolithic bloc with no difference apart from the obvious evilness) exempt from racism?
Or should that information remain privileged? I'd rather the truth, personally.
If a room full of men were filmed throwing chairs and bottles at each other, with no means of telling anything more precise about their origin, but someone, giving no further basis for the claim, framed the video as "Ukrainians trash hotel they are housed in," then yes, that would be making it racial. And anyone with their wits about them would wonder about the factual basis for the claim, especially if the source making it was known to, for example, want Ukrainian refugees to be sent away to such an extent that it could be reasonably suspected that they may well fabricate details in order to win more people to and thereby strengthen their own position. Is that not obvious?
And just to repeat the main point: the reason for the riots is infinitely more likely to stem from the conditions of accommodation than from the origin, Somalia or anywhere else, of the individuals involved. That is the point Kev. That is the point.
Ah here fuck this.
Hambeast, please ban both myself and the other contributor to this stream of shite for a couple of days to let the other users breath the fresh air and not the noxious fumes of cat piss coming from this thread today.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 05, 2023, 06:58:14 PMAh here fuck this.
Hambeast, please ban both myself and the other contributor to this stream of shite for a couple of days to let the other users breath the fresh air and not the noxious fumes of cat piss coming from this thread today.
It is a great craic listening 2 fellas argument over this, while both of yiz are living outside of Ireland :)
Think the situation with immigrants has gotten out of hand in Ireland. It is sooooo much different than, not just 6 years ago when I've moved over here, but to just a 2 or even 1 year ago.
Guess not too many locals are disputing having regular, decent people over here, but the problem is that at least 80% of immigrants are here just because they've imagined to have an easy life and are owed to get everything handed to them on a silver plate for free.....while still complaining, not respecting the country and ganging up.
The pakis and blacks I've met over here are not too civilized and an insult to the humanity.
The government should take care of their own first, and think of the foreigners only after that, if there's any resources left.
Ireland is fucking far away from Africa and Ukraine, isn't it a bit weird so many of them settled here?
I'm off to listen to my Satanic Warmaster vinyl now......
When most of us were young, Warhead, the only foreigners living in Ireland were the lads running the Chinese takeaways :)
Montenegrins have it sussed. Get all the tourists into Kotor bay and fleece them. Actually heard an old woman say 'Strani momci'! to her husband when I was in Podgorica with a buddy speaking English, so odd was it. That's the place to escape WEF and globalisation :)
An immigrant complaining about other immigrants,fuck sake :laugh:.
Get rid of every immigrant in Ireland and our Government still won't give a fuck about housing the people who live here (Irish or not).
The state of this country is down to neglect by FF/FG, it's not down to a lack of resources, it's not down to immigrants coming and taking it all, it's by design to create a bigger gap between the working class and the elites.
And pointing the finger, whether at immigrants, people on the dole, people receiving free healthcare, people supposedly 'stealing' anything from you, is the perfect cover so you don't point the finger at them.
Lyndon B Johnson had a quote that is pretty much the M.O of right wing politics, except you can replace the white man/black man analogy for literally anyone in the working classes receiving something you aren't.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.".
Yes we must hold the government to account for their open door policies rather than the folks taking advantage of it. The only problem is that the main opposition party has exactly the same policies in mind regarding immigration, so holding the government to account on that basis and voting for the opposition will produce the same results anyway. Now the shinners might get in and implement some sort of policies that make the country a better place or they may not but they're not going to change the migration issue so going for them on that is pointless.
Does this mean that immigration then is a non issue in any forthcoming election? In a way it seems so.
You have one radical party and one smaller party to choose from. Neither will be forming part of the next government.
Quote from: ldj on February 05, 2023, 08:06:06 PMAn immigrant complaining about other immigrants,fuck sake :laugh:.
Get rid of every immigrant in Ireland and our Government still won't give a fuck about housing the people who live here (Irish or not).
The state of this country is down to neglect by FF/FG, it's not down to a lack of resources, it's not down to immigrants coming and taking it all, it's by design to create a bigger gap between the working class and the elites.
And pointing the finger, whether at immigrants, people on the dole, people receiving free healthcare, people supposedly 'stealing' anything from you, is the perfect cover so you don't point the finger at them.
Lyndon B Johnson had a quote that is pretty much the M.O of right wing politics, except you can replace the white man/black man analogy for literally anyone in the working classes receiving something you aren't.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.".
Governments are never working to make lives of ordinary people better, that is an old fact. They are the biggest problem, guess all "sides" have the same standpoint on this issue.
I am not sure why are you so flabbergasted that an immigrant is complaining about other immigrants? I am not complaining about immigrants as a group in general, I am complaining about immigrants coming to this or any other country not to do an honest work, but to mooch and leach. I got a natural repulsion towards that as I'm not a cockroach, don't see why shouldn't I be free to say that?
Seems like all "sides" are just interested who will point the biggest problem. There are problems all over the board.
Yes, the government is probably the biggest problem, but that shouldn't stop everyone pointing other problems too. Me being an immigrant myself shouldn't forbid me to point out problems within that "group", the same way someone being Irish for example shouldn't forbid him/her to point out problems within that "group".
Caomhaoin and Black Shepherd Carnage are living outside of Ireland if I'm not wrong, but am sure both of them are living decent lives, doing their respected lines of work and any country should be happy to have them as they are a benefit to it. There are a lot of other people like that, black, white yellow and red. Then there are other kinds, that I am pointing out as a problem.......biggest or not the biggest, but a problem.
I am not labeling myself as an immigrant, am not considering that fact to be the most important in describing myself as a person. But let's say I'm an immigrant for the sake of conversation, I was also a refugee as a 14 year old boy when there was a war in my country, my house got burned down and my family had to run for our lives with just a small plastic bag of our belongings in our hands. So, I kind of consider myself to have enough experience and right to talk about some things freely.
There will always be people running away from war and they should get help to stand back on their feet, but what Ireland is having at the moment is mostly just not that. I stand by what I've said, at least 80% of the immigrants/refugees you have in the country right now are not here to escape the war/whatever, but to leech. And that is making problems for honest people who might find themselves in a tough spot in the future, as local people might consider them all to be the same.
Jebote! Dobro rečeno, brate moj :)
(Excuse my shitty serbo-croat)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 06, 2023, 04:39:04 PMJebote! Dobro rečeno, brate moj :)
(Excuse my shitty serbo-croat)
Guess you've said it in perfect Serbian/Croatian :)
Your experiences are fair enough but I very much object to your claim that 80% of immigrants are here to mooch off the state.
And I get while in your view you are here with the intention to make an honest living and improve your life, the bitter truth is that all those people out protesting screaming at refugees wouldn't differ you from the scroungers.
The funny thing is, for all everyone in this thread (me included) spend moaning about woke people, or identity politics, the anti immigration/refugee argument is just the Conservative version of the ultra woke 'cancel culture' merchants.
Liberal/Conservative, it's all a distraction to divert from the class war.
https://www.socialjustice.ie/content/policy-issues/social-welfare-payments-details-data
This is old, but points to a 40% unemployment rate among asylum seekers that are allowed to work. Nine or ten times the national rate.
RTE (https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1210/1265945-employment-ireland/)
Quote from: hellfire on February 07, 2023, 01:11:56 PMThis is old, but points to a 40% unemployment rate among asylum seekers that are allowed to work. Nine or ten times the national rate.
RTE (https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1210/1265945-employment-ireland/)
The thrust of that article is very much
not that this is primarily the fault of the asylum seekers themselves though. The piece and the reason for the piece is about telling employers how to better connect to asylum seekers looking to work. So...?
I'm assuming the number is somewhat accurate concerning the unemployment rate. Although with RTE it's impossible to tell. The only numbers you can get here are when they are in favour of the asylum seekers. 40℅ unemployment rate.
They were talking about the immigration/refugee situation on Upfront last night, pushing the far right angle big time. The only one who had the courage to say that the far right agitators were a small group among people with legitimate concerns was Michael Fitzmaurice, and they couldn't shut him up fast enough. Yer wan Emer O'Neill making it all about herself too, gobshite.
Watching it here now and that is a bollocks interpretation of the discussion on Upfront (it's live on the RTE Player for anyone interested). The woman from the Far Right Observatory that they have in very clearly began her bit by saying that the majority of communities are welcoming and that the active "entities", as she calls them, behind far right propaganda online and elsewhere in Ireland number only around 22. The section starts with victim/witness reports from two young women (neither of them being Emer O'Neill, who was on the panel) who are at the receiving end of where the hate speech ends up; in the minds and mouths of youths with nothing better to be doing but going around harassing people on the street with any kind of half-baked justification they can find. The handful of young people of colour I knew growing up in Ireland already faced racism in school, in sports clubs, etc., but I can only imagine how much worse it could be for them today. It is absolutely fucking despicable behavior that we're talking about.
None of that part of the section stood out to you though, no? The hate-filled bullshit from the "small groups of far right agitators" is very real and it spreads fast. Why? It would seem to me that it's also because a lot of those whose primary concerns may be legitimate don't actively work to police the far right elements out of their own factions. And sorry to pull the wool off your eyes, but that is because there is sympathy and apologetics for those positions that penetrates far beyond the agitators. Sure we see versions of it turn up here constantly. And even when Michael Fitzmaurice was talking, he was openly exhorting protestors to keep their eye on the ball; structural deficits left in place by successive governments. Plus, they only "shut him up" because it was the very end of the show and they still had to get to the Leitrim hurler lad they had in the audience, and sure he only repeated the same thing Fitzmaurice had said; keep the ire for your bad situations fixed on the government.
Prince Valiant rides back into battle on his charger of colour :)
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 07, 2023, 05:34:33 PMWatching it here now and that is a bollocks interpretation of the discussion on Upfront (it's live on the RTE Player for anyone interested). The woman from the Far Right Observatory that they have in very clearly began her bit by saying that the majority of communities are welcoming and that the active "entities", as she calls them, behind far right propaganda online and elsewhere in Ireland number only around 22. The section starts with victim/witness reports from two young women (neither of them being Emer O'Neill, who was on the panel) who are at the receiving end of where the hate speech ends up; in the minds and mouths of youths with nothing better to be doing but going around harassing people on the street with any kind of half-baked justification they can find. The handful of young people of colour I knew growing up in Ireland already faced racism in school, in sports clubs, etc., but I can only imagine how much worse it could be for them today. It is absolutely fucking despicable behavior that we're talking about.
None of that part of the section stood out to you though, no? The hate-filled bullshit from the "small groups of far right agitators" is very real and it spreads fast. Why? It would seem to me that it's also because a lot of those whose primary concerns may be legitimate don't actively work to police the far right elements out of their own factions. And sorry to pull the wool off your eyes, but that is because there is sympathy and apologetics for those positions that penetrates far beyond the agitators. Sure we see versions of it turn up here constantly. And even when Michael Fitzmaurice was talking, he was openly exhorting protestors to keep their eye on the ball; structural deficits left in place by successive governments. Plus, they only "shut him up" because it was the very end of the show and they still had to get to the Leitrim hurler lad they had in the audience, and sure he only repeated the same thing Fitzmaurice had said; keep the ire for your bad situations fixed on the government.
This is all fair and right (yes intended). The trick is to not let the govt and their propaganda arm (rte, no joke that's actually what it is) away with focusing on the few eejits to the detriment of the actual concerns around integration and housing. We can all see what it all is for what it all is in terms of highlighting the racial abuse rather than the actual points of concern.
As an aside, the young fellas Nigerian friend keeps calling him a cracker for the laugh (in an Irish accent no less) and I have to keep explaining to the young lad that he can't call yer man a nigger in retaliation simply because for some mad reason it's grand for the Nigerian lad to say it but not my red haired dope of a son to say it. Anyway the boys are friends and it's just young lads being dicks as they always have done and always will do. That shit would iron itself out a lot faster if only the kids would be left alone to realise that it's only funny when you're young and stupid rather than bringing in the hate speech lark which will only lead to some feeling like their free speech rights are being impinged upon.
It's a bit like lately a young traveller lad called me a racist because I said I'd break his neck if he egged my car. We have and are creating a monster by having some groups more equal than others due to minority status.
Anyway that was a tangent brought on by your mention of the few brown lads being slated at school. File those lads away with all the fat lads and red haired lads and lads with buck teeth or big ears or spots or a bad pair of brógs or their parents are poor or they have something like glasses or a hearing aid or the teacher likes them or good knows what else. They could kind of fucking get over it as well
:laugh:
It may be true that getting highly strung about immigrants may be influenced by 'fanatics' but when the contrarians start using government approved slogans and terminology like 'hate speech', 'people of colour' and 'diversity' (not to mention birthing person, uterus holder and chest feeder for fuck sake) one becomes just as much as a useful idiot for the establishment. That's all these cunts want, divide the plebs with internecine squabbling over bullshit.
A Chinese lad at school started openly calling a collègue a racist for getting pissed off with him and punishing him. Parents got involved, the whole (totally bullshit) situation took a terrible toll on him.
Any kind of remark about 'ethnicity' has been engineered artificially into the most grotesque crime imaginable, to the point where it trumps everything. 'Ignore the cunts' or 'the next time you hear that belt the fucker' has been replaced with all of this Orwellian bollocks.
What do you call a blonde at Harvard?
The janitor! Haha
What do you call a drummer at Harvard?
The janitor! Haha
Did you know that Jade Goody went to Harvard?
She was the janitor! Haha
What do you call a Nascar fan at Harvard?
The janitor! Haha
What do you call a Kerryman at Harvard?
The janitor! Haha
What do you call a black person at Harvard?
The janit- YOU'RE A RACIST!!!!
Dear young non-white women living in Ireland, next time you're being harassed and racially bullied by a group of teenagers for the crime of being out in public, just ignore the cunts or belt the fuckers, but either way, shut up about it, because right now we need to have a minute's silence for some teacher in Spain and the terrible toll an accusation of racism has had on him.
Stellar stuff Kev, on fire today.
Jaysus you're a dose lad.
Lads, please fuck up, you're disturbing my minute's silence. Jesus. Have some respect, you nazi fucks.
I second McLoves sentiment.
Its neither racist nor xenophobic to want to be surrounded by your own people in your own country.
Its perfectly normal to be wary and suspicious of large groups of foreigners moving into your locality.
The settlement,be it permanent or not, of large groups of strangers in a short period of time into an area always has,and always will,cause problems.
The Irish government are fucking insane and are in fact acting in contravention of the constitution.
What part of the constitution are they in breach of Morrigan?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 07, 2023, 10:21:00 PMDear young non-white women living in Ireland, next time you're being harassed and racially bullied by a group of teenagers for the crime of being out in public, just ignore the cunts or belt the fuckers, but either way, shut up about it, because right now we need to have a minute's silence for some teacher in Spain and the terrible toll an accusation of racism has had on him.
Stellar stuff Kev, on fire today.
They should write a book about their struggles. They could call it "my struggle"
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on February 08, 2023, 03:05:42 AMI second McLoves sentiment.
Its neither racist nor xenophobic to want to be surrounded by your own people in your own country.
Its perfectly normal to be wary and suspicious of large groups of foreigners moving into your locality.
The settlement,be it permanent or not, of large groups of strangers in a short period of time into an area always has,and always will,cause problems.
The Irish government are fucking insane and are in fact acting in contravention of the constitution.
I suppose unlimited immigration could wipe out the national identity of the recipient country or part of a country.
The Irish nations historical cultural and political unity was undermined by scot protestants landed in to the fourth green field.
The open borders anarchist/liberal shite goes against the right to national self-determination. A nation means something in a tangible sense. Stalin's definition is spot on.
That's the goal of the globalists, to wipe out what they view as petty parochialism.
Most of the same population see it in a very different light.
Quote from: hellfire on February 08, 2023, 07:58:44 AMWhat part of the constitution are they in breach of Morrigan?
Well for a start article 29,section 5, part 2. it deals with international relations and basically states that in order for the state to spend our money on a matter relating to international relations there must be a Dail vote on the terms of an agreement. there are no terms(no limits placed on refugee numbers therefore no limit placed on the cost to the taxpayer) so any agreement, if there was any, is unlawful.
Don't know why a case hasn't been taken to the supreme court but the supreme court is rotten to the core in any case.
there's a raft of other constitutional infringements relating to a failure to protect our borders and too many human rights infringements, both numerated and unenumerated to mention.
"There's no point standing here outside the garda station, you have to go to where they're fuckin' staying and burn them fuckin' out!"
*Other protesters roar their approval.
https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1620894170062913536
That's in Finglas last week, partially linked to wholly invented lies spread via social media that a local sexual assault had been perpetrated by an immigrant. Suspect gardai were looking for was a white Irish man. Level of disinformation being spread became an obstacle to the genuine investigation, gardai said when they had to make a fresh appeal for witnesses; not witnesses of immigrants going about their business on the night in question, but of a young white man who committed the crime these individuals are supposedly so upset at (ha!).
In this story, you get the hardcore of agitators (the pricks calling for violence); what I'll charitably call the fellow-travellers roaring their approval; the impact of the network beyond that of people who've swallowed and spat back out the lies (genuine suspect still at large, shielded by a cloud of bullshit); plus, as a bonus, you get the violence itself (in the raid on the Ashtown encampment, also partially and nominally stoked by claims of sexual assault seemingly by the same agitators). So I dunno, you may in a tantrum decide use of expressions like "hate speech" is the real problem, but it seems a pretty fitting label for "burn them fuckin' out", would you not say?
Ye can all go on about your reasonable arguments, etc., and that's fine and there's surely things to be said there, but the main point is to be asking yourself how good you are at smelling the unmistakable bang of absolute bullshit: claims expressed with concrete confidence but based on zero verifiable evidence; strangely specific and often colourful details, but again with zero verifiable evidence. Echoing that bullshit helps no one except those far right agitators, regardless of whether you believe them to be a genuine threat or not, they're still the only ones you're helping every time you spread a rumour before stopping to stick your nose a bit closer and see what it smells like.
I used to peruse those far right pages. The amount of outright lies is off the scale. Total echo chambers. Is there actually any sane commentator/activist talking about immigration policies.
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 08, 2023, 01:19:43 PMI used to peruse those far right pages. The amount of outright lies is off the scale. Total echo chambers. Is there actually any sane commentator/activist talking about immigration policies.
Douglas Murray. He's not even Irish though. One of very few who don't veer off the truth in furtherance of a cause.
I don't really follow the stories of this lad or the other doing this or that because as with everything else it takes a while for the truth to out. Obviously there are stooks who will say everything bad ever is the work of immigrants but let's be fair and say people just have to smarten up about that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 08, 2023, 01:12:32 PM"There's no point standing here outside the garda station, you have to go to where they're fuckin' staying and burn them fuckin' out!"
*Other protesters roar their approval.
https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1620894170062913536
That's in Finglas last week, partially linked to wholly invented lies spread via social media that a local sexual assault had been perpetrated by an immigrant. Suspect gardai were looking for was a white Irish man. Level of disinformation being spread became an obstacle to the genuine investigation, gardai said when they had to make a fresh appeal for witnesses; not witnesses of immigrants going about their business on the night in question, but of a young white man who committed the crime these individuals are supposedly so upset at (ha!).
In this story, you get the hardcore of agitators (the pricks calling for violence); what I'll charitably call the fellow-travellers roaring their approval; the impact of the network beyond that of people who've swallowed and spat back out the lies (genuine suspect still at large, shielded by a cloud of bullshit); plus, as a bonus, you get the violence itself (in the raid on the Ashtown encampment, also partially and nominally stoked by claims of sexual assault seemingly by the same agitators). So I dunno, you may in a tantrum decide use of expressions like "hate speech" is the real problem, but it seems a pretty fitting label for "burn them fuckin' out", would you not say?
Ye can all go on about your reasonable arguments, etc., and that's fine and there's surely things to be said there, but the main point is to be asking yourself how good you are at smelling the unmistakable bang of absolute bullshit: claims expressed with concrete confidence but based on zero verifiable evidence; strangely specific and often colourful details, but again with zero verifiable evidence. Echoing that bullshit helps no one except those far right agitators, regardless of whether you believe them to be a genuine threat or not, they're still the only ones you're helping every time you spread a rumour before stopping to stick your nose a bit closer and see what it smells like.
What if we genuinely believe that immigration is out of control and having a negative impact on the country WE live in? I've believed that EU immigration policy is dangerous and stupid for the better part of a decade without the need for affirmation from any "far-right" agitators.
QuoteYe can all go on about your reasonable arguments, etc., and that's fine and there's surely things to be said there
https://fitzfromdublin.substack.com/p/a-total-loss-of-narrative-control
Thought this was an interesting facet of the discussion, which isn't in favour of one thing or the other but just pointing something out.
The backtracking begins. Not exactly planning to do anything of consequence but the rhetoric would have been unthinkable two months ago.
Irish Examiner article (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41067437.html)
It is interesting from a rhetoric point of view alright, though as you say, from a neutral standpoint it feels like rhetoric pre-packed with all the necessary exit strategies that mean it engages to no particular concrete actions ("Actually what we said was X, and we're respecting that," etc.).
Take ownership of fuck ups? Ha ha, not unless you get caught drunkenly singing 'Ra songs or have your tweets from 2015 made public.
That Independent poll gave him a few ideas. Seeing the Mary Lou placards at those asylum centre protests gave him a few more. Of the 54 percent who thought that we had taken in too many, Sinn Fein voters were overrepresented. He's thinking maybe he might be able to get a candidate in on the first count next election if he plays this one right.
I've always thought being a politician as being a psychiatric disorder. Needing the approval from a large amount of people, sociopathic lying and a willingness to screw over your countrymen are surely symptomatic of some sort of defect.
It's all a moot point now anyway because Bertie is back to sort the place out :laugh:
On a serious note though, as much as he fries me, varadkar is very good at being the slimy creature he is
Quote from: astfgyl on February 09, 2023, 01:28:12 PMOn a serious note though, as much as he fries me, varadkar is very good at being the slimy creature he is
Yeah, seems a big criteria for being a politician, at least in Ireland, is how long you can hold on to a top job no matter how much bullshit you get caught out on. He's been brilliant at it
He's a disgrace. I'd love to see him on the streets, homeless, without a pot to piss in.
Just thinking there, for the moment the political class essentially all grew up pre-social media, but that will change fast... and I don't think the change will be for the better. Are there a lot of spats between Irish politicians on say Twitter? I get the feeling it's a lot less than the US or French politicians, but maybe I just don't follow closely enough.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 09, 2023, 02:47:10 PMJust thinking there, for the moment the political class essentially all grew up pre-social media, but that will change fast... and I don't think the change will be for the better. Are there a lot of spats between Irish politicians on say Twitter? I get the feeling it's a lot less than the US or French politicians, but maybe I just don't follow closely enough.
An interesting thought. I'm wondering if it could go the other way though where they're on social media and the popularity or unpopularity of their decisions/thoughts become immediately apparent to them. Probably already that way though and they just don't care because it's not the social media followers who pay them anyway
I highly doubt growing up on social media would make any difference. The next generation of them is already being picked by the current one. It would take some nuclear accident or gene therapy to engineer bigger cunts than we already have.
To be fair it would take something special indeed
Hey isn't it grand the way the immigration policy discussion has gotten rid of the what's a woman argument for now and all the elements of that which were making people upset have disappeared while at the same time still going as strong as ever. I wonder what we'll get into after this one..
Stay tuned for more socially acceptable and socially unacceptable hijinks
Grand the way the turkey and Syria flags have replaced the Ukraine ones this week.
Very bad the things that have happened to make that so
A pro economic migrant protester drove into a crowd of anti economic protesters last night in Dublin.
Quote from: mickO))) on February 16, 2023, 12:54:06 PMA pro economic migrant protester drove into a crowd of anti economic protesters last night in Dublin.
Saw that alright. Is there any report that says it was a pro economic migrant supporter. Not saying they aren't, just haven't seen that reported.
It'll take some time to clear up I'd say. Certainly not beyond some of the nutbars who proclaim themselves to be Antifa. But could also have been a local who doesn't give a shit either way but wants the protests and related disturbance of normal life to end. Or it could be a black flag operation ??? Hey, someone would be saying it if the political alignments of the story were switched :laugh:
Seen Tommy Robinson has come over to join the protests apparently, bit of an odd one for all these 'Irish nationalists' to accept.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 16, 2023, 03:23:45 PMHey, someone would be saying it if the political alignments of the story were switched :laugh:
You could also say that RTE and the likes would be reporting today that a far right white racist lunatic tried to murder peaceful protesters instead of the "Man appears in court after woman hit by car at anti-immigration protest" headline they turned out. If this was someone from the other side driving into a crowd of refugee welcome protesters it would front page news for the next week and would used as justification to shut down any further protests.
Video is going around of the fella that did it with a microphone and a speaker strapped to his hip running around screaming about racists earlier in the evening. Then you also see photos later on of him being arrested. He is pretty distinctive looking so it is safe to say it is the same fella. The only lie I can see about the story is those claiming he is in his 30's I would question by the looks of this fella if he is any younger than 60.
Quote from: ldj on February 16, 2023, 05:08:10 PMSeen Tommy Robinson has come over to join the protests apparently, bit of an odd one for all these 'Irish nationalists' to accept.
No wrong he is not joining the protest he is only coming over for a few days to film the protests for some documentary he is putting together. Some people are fine with it and some are not fine with it but at the end of the day he is free to do what he wants.
Quote from: mickO))) on February 16, 2023, 05:27:57 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 16, 2023, 03:23:45 PMHey, someone would be saying it if the political alignments of the story were switched :laugh:
You could also say that RTE and the likes would be reporting today that a far right white racist lunatic tried to murder peaceful protesters instead of the "Man appears in court after woman hit by car at anti-immigration protest" headline they turned out. If this was someone from the other side driving into a crowd of refugee welcome protesters it would front page news for the next week and would used as justification to shut down any further protests.
Video is going around of the fella that did it with a microphone and a speaker strapped to his hip running around screaming about racists earlier in the evening. Then you also see photos later on of him being arrested. He is pretty distinctive looking so it is safe to say it is the same fella. The only lie I can see about the story is those claiming he is in his 30's I would question by the looks of this fella if he is any younger than 60.
Quote from: ldj on February 16, 2023, 05:08:10 PMSeen Tommy Robinson has come over to join the protests apparently, bit of an odd one for all these 'Irish nationalists' to accept.
No wrong he is not joining the protest he is only coming over for a few days to film the protests for some documentary he is putting together. Some people are fine with it and some are not fine with it but at the end of the day he is free to do what he wants.
Is that the lad that's been driving around in the old jeep playing his own voice?
Who's Tommy Robinson without searching him up?
And bang on about the rte headlines. They are only the government mouthpiece and nothing more. Biased as is possible without rebranding as Goebbels TV or Pravda
Quote from: astfgyl on February 16, 2023, 05:32:05 PMIs that the lad that's been driving around in the old jeep playing his own voice?
Who's Tommy Robinson without searching him up?
And bang on about the rte headlines. They are only the government mouthpiece and nothing more. Biased as is possible without rebranding as Goebbels TV or Pravda
The fella that drove into the crowd is bald on top with hair at the sides and has a big beard he basically looks like a mentally ill farmer from the 60's. I had never seen or heard of him before last night.
I don't know a lot about Tommy Robinson but he has a shady past, was in the EDL, does not like Islam and he exposed an Islamic pedophile ring in London. In any case he is a controversial figure who has already been labelled by the media so him coming over here to Ireland in any capacity that relates to these protests will do more harm than good.
I know lads that work crew with yer man. He's mental. They call him Hatchet Man cause he brought a hatchet to work once.
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It's interesting how often the expression 'far right' is rolled out by the liars in charge and their useful idiots on the ground, and how infrequently one hears or reads the words 'far left'.
It's so infrequent that it almost jars and doesn't roll off the tongue anywhere near as nicely as its racist and evil counterpart. I mean, wouldn't one consider the members of the Socialist Workers Party and the hardline socialists who organise left leaning marches or protests on line, by their very nature 'far left' (I don't use the expression pejoratively)?
'Shut up racist'!
They're both buzzwords, and it comes down to your definition really but when I think of 'far' anything I think of people who are extreme or radical in their views, and I've come into contact with far more people in the last few weeks going on about 'military aged men' and immigrants all being psychopathic rapists than I think I ever have people who have extreme leftist views.
I would consider myself pretty left, taxes to be used for housing, education, education, public amenities etc. People should get taxed based on income, people should receive help based on their needs etc.
Is that far left? I don't think it's that radical or extreme.
Quote from: ldj on February 16, 2023, 07:39:35 PMThey're both buzzwords, and it comes down to your definition really but when I think of 'far' anything I think of people who are extreme or radical in their views, and I've come into contact with far more people in the last few weeks going on about 'military aged men' and immigrants all being psychopathic rapists than I think I ever have people who have extreme leftist views.
I would consider myself pretty left, taxes to be used for housing, education, education, public amenities etc. People should get taxed based on income, people should receive help based on their needs etc.
Is that far left? I don't think it's that radical or extreme.
If that's left then I'm still left leaning as it goes but I might be the far right now too :laugh:
Quote from: open face surgery on February 16, 2023, 06:25:27 PMI know lads that work crew with yer man. He's mental. They call him Hatchet Man cause he brought a hatchet to work once.
See lads on Twitter saying he's a right header.
It is the same lad who was driving around playing his own voice in the car. Idiots come in every colour anyway
I doubt you've come across one person who said all immigrants are psychopathic rapists, but I won't crucify you over it. Anything socialist of communal coming out of a lads mouth makes me tend to think that the person I'm speaking to has a screw loose.
That's what I'm getting at though, right wing conjures up the NF, combat 18 or Billy Wright etc. Sure we're all like that :) Socialism has killed more people than cancer but the news would have you believe it's all refugees welcome, sit in protests at Icelandic whaling stations and gay rights.
I play soccer with a lad from Norwich, so one day I asked him what his town was like.
'It's nice mate yeah, pretty chill, pretty left wing'.
I looked at him for a minute and asked him what he meant.
'You know mate progressive, not many tories about. Quite diverse and that'
He's a lovely lad so I left it even though all that shit sounds horrid to me. It's left wing though so coolaboola not a bother :)
I live in one of the areas the protests have taken place recently and I can assure you there were definite claims migrants are coming here to harm women and children.
Depends on what type of socialism really, I think what you're getting at is authoritative communism which is a very different kettle of fish to what I'd call socialism.
And communism at its most authoritative has still killed a lot less than capitalism has.
I used to hold fairly sincere socialist beliefs as a young lad, but I think most people have at some stage. It's romantic, it's Bonnie Prince Charlie and the highland charge, it's peace land and bread, it's the noble savage, the workers paradise and Che 'his granny was a Lynch from Cashel or somewhere' Guevara. The Soviet Union and the eastern bloc was beyond fascinating to me as a young lad, and still is to an extent.
The taxman, the local authority traffic offence fines cunts, WEF, The Hague, the social engineering, diversity of everything except opinions and banning lads from entering Australia for wearing an 'it's ok to be white' T Shirt would sober you up though.
Not blaming all of that on socialism mind you, but it'd cut the Percy Shelley and the Karl Marx out of you fairly fuckin' rapid.
My rule of thumb: If your politics overrides your sense of basic human morality and empathy (as in, towards all humans, regardless of race, class, or creed), you're far off centre, be that left or right.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 16, 2023, 08:47:14 PMMy rule of thumb: If your politics overrides your sense of basic human morality and empathy (as in, towards all humans, regardless of race, class, or creed), you're far off centre, be that left or right.
If I hate them all equally can I still be in the centre?
https://www.thejournal.ie/man-drives-into-protesters-dublin-5997479-Feb2023
Ah lads this story is fucking hilarious. I just want to know that he was playing the speakers with his own voice when he did it. Someone please just lie to me and say they know he did play it at the time.
I honestly think his story sounds like what actually might have happened re lads throwing themselves in front of the car. Oh (Edit: and even funnier if they did it because of the content of his message and in my mind it's done in a Monty python style level of ridiculous ((here comes the inception) anyone want to help me write a Hollywood blockbuster style script? It'll be this story in the style of Monty python but dragged out for an hour and a half of character development before we get anywhere near whatever the story turns out to be. Let me know if anyone is up for that) so it properly looks as shit as it sounds) the picture I have in my head is fair fuckin funny.
I can't stop laughing at the whole thing, for right or wrong
I want to challenge these figures the right wing guys are throwing around here.
If you check my link below and do the math you will find that 30% of immigrants receive some kind of govt assistance not 80% as claimed earlier. Most of whom seem to come from UK and western Europe.
Also according to WHO, cancer kills 10 million a year that would be 2billion in 200 years.
Socialism is reputed to have killed 148million according to even it's most biased opponents. Therefore Socialism has not killed more people than cancer.
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/what-americans-must-know-about-socialism
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/cancer
https://www.socialjustice.ie/content/policy-issues/social-welfare-payments-details-data
Claims that capitalism has killed 120 million,
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10455752.2021.1875603
I won't change the hard headed right wing guys opinions here but if some kid is reading this I hope by challenging these nonsense figures and assertions I may stop
Them going down a right wing rabbit hole.
This anger and hate against change grows from fear..so the tough guy, straight talking conservative who calls a spade a spade etc is infact very insecure and afraid.
Namaste and blessed be xxx
The cancer comment was tongue in cheek, but the two billion comment doesn't take into account the vast difference in population between now and the past. As schoolboy an error as the handicapped OG I scored the last day out :)
The link is from socialjustice.ie. How could anyone, let alone someone right leaning take anything from such a grotesquely biased source seriously? Whatever about Chris being a wind-up merchant extraordinaire, at least he's wise enough not to rely solely on sources that can be dismissively and ostentatiously waved away by his contrarians.
Not all anger and hate against change comes from fear, sometimes the 'change' mooted is repugnant or ill conceived.
I do love Paul McGrath though. The most harrowing, memorable sports biography in print is his yin :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 16, 2023, 08:47:14 PMMy rule of thumb: If your politics overrides your sense of basic human morality and empathy (as in, towards all humans, regardless of race, class, or creed), you're far off centre, be that left or right.
Hard to argue with. Would you include the unborn in that?
Quote from: Paul mcgrath on February 17, 2023, 02:12:54 AMI want to challenge these figures the right wing guys are throwing around here.
If you check my link below and do the math you will find that 30% of immigrants receive some kind of govt assistance not 80% as claimed earlier. Most of whom seem to come from UK and western Europe.
Also according to WHO, cancer kills 10 million a year that would be 2billion in 200 years.
Socialism is reputed to have killed 148million according to even it's most biased opponents. Therefore Socialism has not killed more people than cancer.
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/what-americans-must-know-about-socialism
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/cancer
https://www.socialjustice.ie/content/policy-issues/social-welfare-payments-details-data
Claims that capitalism has killed 120 million,
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10455752.2021.1875603
I won't change the hard headed right wing guys opinions here but if some kid is reading this I hope by challenging these nonsense figures and assertions I may stop
Them going down a right wing rabbit hole.
This anger and hate against change grows from fear..so the tough guy, straight talking conservative who calls a spade a spade etc is infact very insecure and afraid.
Namaste and blessed be xxx
Jesus Christ there's red flags all over this.
What was it that first attracted you to join metal warfare?
https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1625952368922660866?t=bcJ5mfw0DwUgROWbGWFwVA&s=19
The laughing I'm doing is really lifting my spirits.
Just as well because I can't sleep
That entire line of "reasoning", "socialism has killed X million" is really bottom of the barrel stuff. It'd be like saying "democracy has killed X million" and including every single death from the US' century long quest to "bring democracy to the world" in there, conveniently skimming over the fact that there's never been more than the tiniest shred of genuine democratic intent behind it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syrv6eygmNY
Socialism is one of the shittiest ideas of the last few centuries to still be acceptable to voice. None of the Eastern European countries are crying out for it. The experiments have been done on it enough times and the results are very much in. Democracy is not perfect but it is the current front runner.
I'm so glad we've had this same argument for 400 pages now. I feel like we are finally reaching some kind of agreement.
Yeah we should go back to arguing about Fairytale of New York.
Quote from: hellfire on February 17, 2023, 10:07:23 AMSocialism is one of the shittiest ideas of the last few centuries to still be acceptable to voice. None of the Eastern European countries are crying out for it. The experiments have been done on it enough times and the results are very much in. Democracy is not perfect but it is the current front runner.
How would socialist ideals automatically mean living in a dictatorship?
For example, would it not be better for Ireland as a country to own our public services as a collective that are funded by the people, for the people, instead of selling them off to multinationals to rip the people off while paying no taxes?
Have a look at the list of states here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states).
Do you mean public services or state assets?
It surely would be better ldj. Oh if only socialism as an idea didn't have that built in clause about only being possible under a dictator. Oh wait, it doesn't! Hang on then, just let me make the tiny mental effort required to separate the idea from its worst real world applications... okay, done. So, the USSR and China don't have a monopoly on what socialism represents and the US doesn't have a monopoly on what democracy represents, including, notably, a proactive, interventionist global agenda to make socialism as unworkable as possible for any state who decides to give it a go. Got it. That really wasn't so difficult, glad I did it.
Have a look at that list of countries either current or former and pick one you'd like to live in. Portugal's inclusion on the list is bizarre. Apart from high taxes it's pretty capitalist.
Quote from: ldj on February 17, 2023, 10:13:50 AMYeah we should go back to arguing about Fairytale of New York.
Ahh, simpler times!! :laugh:
Quote from: hellfire on February 17, 2023, 10:42:25 AMHave a look at that list of countries either current or former and pick one you'd like to live in.
If I find one I'd prefer to live in rather than the US, do I win? Because there's a few of them, past and present.
Such as?
In the most obvious head-to-head, I would choose to live in Cuba over the US, despite my being fundamentally opposed to single party systems (which are not a necessity of the idea of socialism), and despite awareness of all the difficulties of daily life that would incur. Then again, there is precisely no guarantee against daily life difficulties in the US either.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2023, 02:26:10 AMThe cancer comment was tongue in cheek, but the two billion comment doesn't take into account the vast difference in population between now and the past. As schoolboy an error as the handicapped OG I scored the last day out :)
Ok, there was 60 million deaths in 2021.
10 million of which were from cancer.
How many deaths in 2021 were a direct result or socialism?
Back it up with a source or I'll assume you pulled it out of your arse.
Throw enough nonsensical throwaway tounge in cheek comments around and they start to stick. It's irresponsible.
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/how-many-cancer-deaths-per-year
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2023, 02:26:10 AMThe link is from socialjustice.ie. How could anyone, let alone someone right leaning take anything from such a grotesquely biased source seriously? Whatever about Chris being a wind-up merchant extraordinaire, at least he's wise enough not to rely solely on sources that can be dismissively and ostentatiously waved away by his contrarians.
The data, was taken from the governments annual statistic report.
Can you provide a link to back up your claims of 80% immigrants here to leech blah blah?
You need to provide some backup source links of your own if you are going to dismiss mine as biased.
I didn't say anything about 80% of immigrants or anything else.
I'm pointing out that your 2bn figure is erroneous, even to the meanest of intellects.
Good luck to you now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 17, 2023, 11:22:25 AMIn the most obvious head-to-head, I would choose to live in Cuba over the US, despite my being fundamentally opposed to single party systems (which are not a necessity of the idea of socialism), and despite awareness of all the difficulties of daily life that would incur. Then again, there is precisely no guarantee against daily life difficulties in the US either.
Have you been to Cuba? No way you could possibly say that with a straight face if you saw how people live there.
My ex is Polish and lived under socialism until she was 12. Both her and her mother are incredulous that anyone from the west would ever consider living under the conditions they did. Underfed, travel destinations limited, apathy, shitty public amenities, zero motivation to innovate and the list goes on. Her mother had a certain nostalgia for the gaff, but nothing more than that. An uncle of mine visited Poland in 1987, and he said it was the shittiest place he has ever been, before or since.
Would you rather have lived in Germany from 1934-38 or the Soviet Union at the same time?
I'd give him a month of low pay and horrible living conditions before he'd board a raft to Florida like so many of his newfound countrymen.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2023, 05:24:32 PMI didn't say anything about 80% of immigrants or anything else.
Ok but you challenged the source I used to disprove the 80% claim your comrade casually threw about, implication being you agreed with it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2023, 05:24:32 PMI'm pointing out that your 2bn figure is erroneous, even to the meanest of intellects.
Good luck to you now.
As I am pointing out your facts and figures and those of your comrades on the right here are "erroneous", the difference being I use sources and government statistics to challenge you guys whereas you reply with
"i didn't say that .. it was my mate "
Or "good luck to you now" whatever that means.
Back up your figures with a source and I'll suck it up, apologise and back down.
If it were the 80s, I would not choose to live in any soviet block country, under any soviet government, rather than the US. But that wasn't the question.
I've spent some time in two other countries on that wiki list, Zambia and Tanzania, and would also prefer to live in either of them than the US.
This shouldn't come as a surprise, but we're quite different people; don't expect us to seek life fulfillment in the same places or ways ;)
Quote from: Paul mcgrath on February 17, 2023, 12:20:39 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2023, 02:26:10 AMThe cancer comment was tongue in cheek, but the two billion comment doesn't take into account the vast difference in population between now and the past. As schoolboy an error as the handicapped OG I scored the last day out :)
Ok, there was 60 million deaths in 2021.
10 million of which were from cancer.
How many deaths in 2021 were a direct result or socialism?
Back it up with a source or I'll assume you pulled it out of your arse.
Throw enough nonsensical throwaway tounge in cheek comments around and they start to stick. It's irresponsible.
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/how-many-cancer-deaths-per-year
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2023, 02:26:10 AMThe link is from socialjustice.ie. How could anyone, let alone someone right leaning take anything from such a grotesquely biased source seriously? Whatever about Chris being a wind-up merchant extraordinaire, at least he's wise enough not to rely solely on sources that can be dismissively and ostentatiously waved away by his contrarians.
The data, was taken from the governments annual statistic report.
Can you provide a link to back up your claims of 80% immigrants here to leech blah blah?
You need to provide some backup source links of your own if you are going to dismiss mine as biased.
Here Paul mcgrath (shit fake name by the way), you're putting yourself through an awful amout of effort, creating an alternative account just to argue with people on the internet. Could you not spend that energy doing something meaningful?
Was chatting with a Romanian lad last week about living under communism. Wouldn't be for me. He likened it to the shit buzz of the lockdowns but with no hope it'd end.
Democratic socialism is where it's at
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 17, 2023, 05:53:01 PMIf it were the 80s, I would not choose to live in any soviet block country, under any soviet government, rather than the US. But that wasn't the question.
I've spent some time in two other countries on that wiki list, Zambia and Tanzania, and would also prefer to live in either of them than the US.
This shouldn't come as a surprise, but we're quite different people; don't expect us to seek life fulfillment in the same places or ways ;)
A few young lads dressed up in sombreros and Indian head dress etc for Carnival to school today, and there would have been hell to pay in the US if that happened over there, so I wouldn't be that gone on the gaff either.
But Cuba? Grand if you're a tourist but fuck me, it is some fucking disaster of a country when you go off the tourist routes or out of the resorts.
He's just clinging to the nonsense idea that his beloved socialism has worked somewhere and doesn't result in abject poverty and misery everywhere. Let him be. Next week we'll see how he gets on with the idea of there being no Santa Claus.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 17, 2023, 06:06:03 PMBut Cuba? Grand if you're a tourist but fuck me, it is some fucking disaster of a country when you go off the tourist routes or out of the resorts.
A mate of mine was in Cuba last August and he cut his holiday short due to the food shortage issues. Another friend went a month later and said all she could find to eat everyday for 2 weeks was some sort of a salty chicken that was horrible.
Cuba is basically to Canada what Spain and Portugal is to Ireland for holidays so I know a lot of people who have been there. They all say the same it is good for a holiday but the living conditions are abysmal.
Venezuela will become a warning from history for future generations. Free gaffs and nationalisation to utter disaster and an economic catastrophe unmatched even by Latin American basket case standards.
Quote from: hellfire on February 17, 2023, 06:29:45 PMHe's just clinging to the nonsense idea that his beloved socialism has worked somewhere and doesn't result in abject poverty and misery everywhere. Let him be. Next week we'll see how he gets on with the idea of there being no Santa Claus.
Haha FFS it's like you don't know that Capitalism took a few hundred years to assume it's current beautiful Democratic form of how it currently 'works'. Must be the wisdom of white Anglo prods compared to stupid Slavs?
Ye love how it works in the US or in liberal Europe but seem unaware that it only works because of its direct economic exploitation of other countries. I've worked in plenty of shitty capitalist third world countries for global MNCs that sent the wealth back to their own motherland. Working and living in Cuba or working and living for Rio Tinto in a shitty African country
Oh my god, they killed 91/30!
Cuban communism ain't, as I already said, my preferred brand of socialism, and I know full well the state the country is in, especially the last couple of years. But I also have a pretty firm conviction that their abject poverty and misery still has much more to do with a certain little matter of a decades-long internationally imposed US embargo than it does with anything inherent to the concept of socialism. If you were coherent in your worldviews, which are generally anti-globalist, then you should be far more aghast at the very machinations that enable US "democracy" to impose such an embargo than you are currently aghast at "socialism."
So, any thoughts on that embargo? On its legitimacy? On its humanity?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 17, 2023, 09:04:45 PMCuban communism ain't, as I already said, my preferred brand of socialism, and I know full well the state the country is in, especially the last couple of years. But I also have a pretty firm conviction that their abject poverty and misery still has much more to do with a certain little matter of a decades-long internationally imposed US embargo than it does with anything inherent to the concept of socialism. If you were coherent in your worldviews, which are generally anti-globalist, then you should be far more aghast at the very machinations that enable US "democracy" to impose such an embargo than you are currently aghast at "socialism."
So, any thoughts on that embargo? On its legitimacy? On its humanity?
They'll come back and say "if it's so great why does it need American goods or trade"
They always have an answer.
I agrée fully about the American embargo, its undeniable. It's an element in the equation only though. Living there, regardless of the minutae of this discussion, rather than the US would be hard headed at best. Surely you can see this.
American carry-on is hateful, cuntish and ignoble. The meddling, the rewriting or unwriting of history, the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. As Rome put it in his song, 'the stumbling child-king'. I asked a lad once if he believed the USA behaved the way it did because it was the strongest or because it had some kind of moral obligation and he immediately and delightedly told me it was the latter. Unbelievable.
Their system of consumer capitalism has created a society, however, that socialism could never hope to come close to matching, unless it was both administered and populated by morally pure cyborgs, maybe. If you have a read of Zinn's 'A people's history of the US' (he's a highly intelligent, almost seductive socialist), you'd almost be convinced that the US is destined to be, has its provenance in and WANTS to be socialist. Maybe, but the other cunts slightly less cunty cuntery is the best bet for now, unless you want to live in a country that will, eventually, become paradise for those who are happy to be lazy and poor.
As an aside, if undeniable evidence that an international cabal of Jewish bankers were revealed to be behind the entire hated system, would that make anti-semitism valid from your point of view? I'm not saying that's the case, just a 'random thought'.
185 countries voted to end it at the 30th UN vote on the matter just a few months back. US and Israel voted against. Again. Clearly they think it's worth upholding, meaning also that they (well, the US... Israel knows the hand that feeds it just as well as Cuba knows the one that beats it) understand it better than anyone who may wish to reply "if it's so great why does it need American goods or trade?" Plus, it goes far beyond just that.
Memos still exist from the 60s stating that the aim was to "to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government." Or, as hellfire called it, "abject poverty and misery." No, but that must be the fault of "socialism", even if its exactly what the US was aiming for by implementing the embargo they still refuse to lift.
"an element in the equation only", fine, but the determining element.
The extremes of the argument ie USA v Cuba will only tell us so much. I still think socialism would work. For example, high corporate taxes but lower personal taxes would still allow for a degree of capitalism but skewed towards the worker doing well out of it. Things like taxes being spent on as was mentioned, public transport, healthcare, subsidised housing etc instead of taxes avoided by massive corporations because they're too big to pay. Welfare by all means but if one is capable one will work for the welfare to encourage people to eat the carrot of better employment instead of making a career out of the dole.
There are fair solutions to most things on that level but it's not going to be unfettered capitalism or hard communism that'll fix any of that because at the end of the day both end with far too large of a gap between rich and poor and both are rotten.
The mad part is that the solutions are not even very difficult. Like the immigration thing that causes so much argument lately; set out conditions where people of all nations can legally enter and stay and close the loopholes and fucking stick to it. See, easy! And doesn't end with crazy immigration numbers and doesn't fuel mistrust and doesn't even raise the racism shit and at the same time doesn't go against nationalism or globalism either but no, we have to be the way we are so the rich can get richer and more powerful and the rest can stay the fuck down at the bottom where they belong.
None of it is difficult but I feel we will need a revolution to get anywhere near it all the same.
Look at the way it is now it's pure shit. Even when we were supposedly all in it together saving granny for the last few years it was a load of bollixing and massive wealth transfer rather than anything of real decency. Record profits for massive corporations as usual and none of the transferred wealth going to anything that benefits you or society in general.
The answers are so simple it's very frustrating.
The thing about revolutions is that people only have so much patience and resilience before they lose faith and start to pine for the old reliables. Lads will put up with war, hunger, even a suspension of habeas corpus, but only for a while.
Unless you Bolshevik them into oblivion of course. They did what even the horrible cunts who corrupted the French Revolution couldn't.
History is littered with examples.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 18, 2023, 04:57:21 AMThe thing about revolutions is that people only have so much patience and resilience before they lose faith and start to pine for the old reliables. Lads will put up with war, hunger, even a suspension of habeas corpus, but only for a while.
Unless you Bolshevik them into oblivion of course. They did what even the horrible cunts who corrupted the French Revolution couldn't.
History is littered with examples.
Giving the Bolshies more credit than is their due there i think. Difficult to achieve in the face of hundreds or thousands of years of religious cultural practice.
My favourite example is Albania that was hardcore Bolshevik, declaredthemselvesworlds first atheist state - until it wasn't....then they all fell victim to a massive pyramid scheme and their overseas shortwave broadcasting transmitters that had been their commie version of the BBC World Service got bought by some American bible shysters for preaching the good word.
Yugoslavia did alright with their 'third way'. And despite the foot stomping and 'Serbian machinery of terror' etc etc, the Americans were delighted with how that panned out. No way they could allow even a semi viable alternative to their system.
Amazing document called 'the plan for the dismemberment of Yugoslavia' is available online if you know where to look. That line was US policy, so who knows who's back was being tapped. They really are ruthless cunts. It's our version of Pax Romana or it's Britannic counterpart later.
Quote from: 91/30 on February 17, 2023, 08:35:07 PMYe love how it works in the US or in liberal Europe but seem unaware that it only works because of its direct economic exploitation of other countries. I've worked in plenty of shitty capitalist third world countries for global MNCs that sent the wealth back to their own motherland.
Yeah, I've been in a few such countries too, though more briefly than you by the sounds of it. It never ceases to amaze how, in this information age, people constantly hear about exploitation in developing nations by almost every massive corporation in almost every domain of enterprise, yet when it comes to accounting for the success of capitalism, all that knowledge gets silenced in their heads and it becomes "USA or North Korea, which is better?" Capitalism is
not a net good for planet earth, not even remotely. And no, neither was soviet communism, for which no level-headed (democratic) socialist has any love whatsoever. The US hates socialism and wants to bring "democracy" to the world because socialist states are much more difficult to exploit. The US' claim that the embargo against Cuba is intended to push them to improve their human rights record, holy fucking shit is that the ultimate in hypocrisy; if the US cared about human rights, they would start by placing embargoes on the US-based corporations abusing human rights left, right, and centre around the globe literally as a business model.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 18, 2023, 10:53:02 AMQuote from: 91/30 on February 17, 2023, 08:35:07 PMYe love how it works in the US or in liberal Europe but seem unaware that it only works because of its direct economic exploitation of other countries. I've worked in plenty of shitty capitalist third world countries for global MNCs that sent the wealth back to their own motherland.
Yeah, I've been in a few such countries too, though more briefly than you by the sounds of it. It never ceases to amaze how, in this information age, people constantly hear about exploitation in developing nations by almost every massive corporation in almost every domain of enterprise, yet when it comes to accounting for the success of capitalism, all that knowledge gets silenced in their heads and it becomes "USA or North Korea, which is better?" Capitalism is not a net good for planet earth, not even remotely. And no, neither was soviet communism, for which no level-headed (democratic) socialist has any love whatsoever. The US hates socialism and wants to bring "democracy" to the world because socialist states are much more difficult to exploit. The US' claim that the embargo against Cuba is intended to push them to improve their human rights record, holy fucking shit is that the ultimate in hypocrisy; if the US cared about human rights, they would start by placing embargoes on the US-based corporations abusing human rights left, right, and centre around the globe literally as a business model.
Only 5 such countries for stints of a month at a time but enough to get the gist of how they are getting properly f##ked over.
"Level headed Democratic socialists" that university campus carry on is no threat to the state of things, won't even get you lifted under the Offences Against the State Act 1939. Harmless entirely.
I'm not a Socialist by any means but I see no point in swallowing US propaganda and historical revisionism
Haha, aye that's true: I put (democratic) like that because I didn't want it to refer only to Sanders, etc., but more generally to socialists who also believe in true democracy, in the old John Dewey, pragmatism, and so on vein, also being those who the communist party started labeling fascists as soon as they dared criticize Stalinism back in the day. Almost like... soviet communism and socialism aren't identical! A truly mind-blowing consideration.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/18/roald-dahl-books-rewritten-to-remove-language-deemed-offensive
How do we all feel about something like this? I'd be generally against this as an idea at all. Just accept it's a product of its time and leave it the fuck alone would be the way. Pretty sure I can still buy Hitler's book
Can't help but see it as a cynical money grab from the estate and publishers alike. Should be left alone, and if that means X million aren't interested in it, so be it.
That's pretty much how I feel about that as well. Let em read it as it is if they're interested enough. There's enough modern stuff written in the modern way that probably deserves a chance too
Quote from: astfgyl on February 18, 2023, 04:30:17 PMThere's enough modern stuff written in the modern way that probably deserves a chance too
New Speak
Quote from: hellfire on February 18, 2023, 05:14:30 PMQuote from: astfgyl on February 18, 2023, 04:30:17 PMThere's enough modern stuff written in the modern way that probably deserves a chance too
New Speak
Yeah it probably won't be for me but it's better than rewriting stuff
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 18, 2023, 01:17:51 PMHaha, aye that's true: I put (democratic) like that because I didn't want it to refer only to Sanders, etc., but more generally to socialists who also believe in true democracy, in the old John Dewey, pragmatism, and so on vein, also being those who the communist party started labeling fascists as soon as they dared criticize Stalinism back in the day. Almost like... soviet communism and socialism aren't identical! A truly mind-blowing consideration.
Soviet 'communism' never existed, nor has any state ever practiced communism, just various strains of socialism with a view to eventually becoming communist.
It's a common misconception.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 18, 2023, 04:13:03 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/18/roald-dahl-books-rewritten-to-remove-language-deemed-offensive
How do we all feel about something like this? I'd be generally against this as an idea at all. Just accept it's a product of its time and leave it the fuck alone would be the way. Pretty sure I can still buy Hitler's book
I feel theres a lot of better things to be doing with your time than spending it censoring art created years ago.
Yes, and deemed offensive by whom, exactly? 'Sensitivity writers' hired by the publisher? Jesus Christ it's surreal.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 18, 2023, 07:35:31 PMYes, and deemed offensive by whom, exactly? 'Sensitivity writers' hired by the publisher? Jesus Christ it's surreal.
Same shite as our film council for years banning Monthy Python and the like. Just different sides of the coin.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 18, 2023, 07:35:31 PMYes, and deemed offensive by whom, exactly?
Potential buyers. You never know, this may even be a cunning way for the estate to extend the copyright on the texts!
Quote from: astfgyl on February 18, 2023, 04:13:03 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/18/roald-dahl-books-rewritten-to-remove-language-deemed-offensive
How do we all feel about something like this? I'd be generally against this as an idea at all. Just accept it's a product of its time and leave it the fuck alone would be the way. Pretty sure I can still buy Hitler's book
Madness. Mind you it'd be great to see what a committee of purple haired transgender university stooges could do with Mein Kampf. Freshen it up a bit
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 04, 2023, 06:23:30 PMItaly and Ireland are chalk and cheese, imo, with regards to geopolitical situation. And for us to go the way of Sweden would require a prior hard swing left. So, say if SF got in and, in the opinion of enough people, botched things, then we might get a swing far right to follow. That's the only path I see leading to that place in the foreseeable future, say a 20 year window.
SF are consistently hitting 30+ in the polls. I don't see any other option for government formation next time in 2025 that doesn't include them. If they don't make a deal with the devil in terms of FF/FG, then they rely on Greens/Soc Dems/Indos/PBP. They will make an absolute balls of things and I can see the general public start to sway towards the right after that Dail term by end of 2030. And it will be mainly driven by immigration issues compounding 3 decades of government failures.
There was the IrelandForAll march today - I do wonder can any of them answer the question, how many can we take in annually? If they say as many as possible or "all" - how on earth do we plan for housing, infrastructure etc if we don't have any accurate numbers? They said 50,000 at the march today which is a bit of a pisstake - but at this stage we should have a vote on what direction the country goes in because 1980s Ireland with high unemployment and emigration is going to look great compared with the Ireland of the 2030s.
Quote from: The Butcher on February 18, 2023, 09:17:36 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 04, 2023, 06:23:30 PMItaly and Ireland are chalk and cheese, imo, with regards to geopolitical situation. And for us to go the way of Sweden would require a prior hard swing left. So, say if SF got in and, in the opinion of enough people, botched things, then we might get a swing far right to follow. That's the only path I see leading to that place in the foreseeable future, say a 20 year window.
SF are consistently hitting 30+ in the polls. I don't see any other option for government formation next time in 2025 that doesn't include them. If they don't make a deal with the devil in terms of FF/FG, then they rely on Greens/Soc Dems/Indos/PBP. They will make an absolute balls of things and I can see the general public start to sway towards the right after that Dail term by end of 2030. And it will be mainly driven by immigration issues compounding 3 decades of government failures.
There was the IrelandForAll march today - I do wonder can any of them answer the question, how many can we take in annually? If they say as many as possible or "all" - how on earth do we plan for housing, infrastructure etc if we don't have any accurate numbers? They said 50,000 at the march today which is a bit of a pisstake - but at this stage we should have a vote on what direction the country goes in because 1980s Ireland with high unemployment and emigration is going to look great compared with the Ireland of the 2030s.
Agree 100%, SF have become a liberal bourgeois woke organisation for some time. The departure of Aontu members was the last counterbalance gone. They will makes a hames of things even if they get a majority and can rule without greens and trots. The FG/FF 'Blueshirt/Republican party' will be a permanent fusion.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 18, 2023, 04:13:03 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/18/roald-dahl-books-rewritten-to-remove-language-deemed-offensive
How do we all feel about something like this? I'd be generally against this as an idea at all. Just accept it's a product of its time and leave it the fuck alone would be the way. Pretty sure I can still buy Hitler's book
I used to regularly see copies of Mi Lucha (Mein Kampf translated into Spanish) at street stalls in Chile :laugh:
Quote from: Born of Fire on February 18, 2023, 10:43:54 PMQuote from: astfgyl on February 18, 2023, 04:13:03 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/18/roald-dahl-books-rewritten-to-remove-language-deemed-offensive
How do we all feel about something like this? I'd be generally against this as an idea at all. Just accept it's a product of its time and leave it the fuck alone would be the way. Pretty sure I can still buy Hitler's book
I used to regularly see copies of Mi Lucha (Mein Kampf translated into Spanish) at street stalls in Chile :laugh:
Jaysus is it popular there or something? I hope they removed anything that might be offensive while they translated it!
The coverage of the Ireland for all march was a bit of a joke. It doesn't change the fact that these toads represent a minority opinion. News outlets portrayed it as proof this retarded ideology is still winning. It isn't and pretending like it is makes them look foolish.
Most of the people I know that are against what is going on are afraid to protest because of what the likes of Gino Kenny did back in January calling peoples places of work he recognised at a protest in an attempt to get them fired.
If you are pro the Government narrative it is not only perfectly safe to protest but a badge of honour. This is exactly the same as what goes on in North America.
Saw a video from yesterday of that far left lunatic that ran people down earlier this week at yesterdays protest even though I believe one of his bail conditions was that he not attend any protests.
Saw this the other day as well. Good enough for the hotels that agreed to do this but I wonder what is going to happen next.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0217/1357307-hotels-refugee-accommodation/
The Rté coverage of the 'protests' (protesting what I ask you) is complete propaganda. 50k my hole.
It takes real balls to question the government stance on immigration, diversity and whatever other bandwagon they've decided to jump on because doxxing and internet 'outing' of FAR RIGHT EXTREMISTS (read dissidents) is a terrifying proposition.
It takes no guts of any kind to protest racism or a lack of diversity (stomach churning turn of phrase) because that's the state approved narrative.
The majority have, at the very least, reservations about how the country is being run and the unbelievably stupid decision making of importing/welcoming people into the country with minimal and completely unsatisfactory planning or contingency in place. I don't blame a single one of the new arrivals, nor should anyone, even if they're acting the absolute prick. Virtue signalling lying bastards in positions of power are 100% responsible. Stalin or any of the boyz would be proud of how they've terrorised the sensible majority from even whispering a syllable of wrongthink.
I think there probably are more Irish citizens who, all other things being equal, would feel a desire to parade the streets to say "Welcome" than there are Irish citizens who would want to protest outside a refugee centre to say "Get the fuck out."
Now, all other things aren't equal, but the fact remains that the #IrelandIsFull brigade can't and for the most part apparently don't want to excise from their ranks those kind of people who want to protest outside refugee centres. And don't be fucking kidding yourselves; doing that, specifically, doesn't take balls, it takes hatred, either of the misdirected or the very knowingly directed kind. If there are people spying on protests being held in sensible places which don't amount to pure intimidation with a view to doxxing participants, then those people are scum, no qualms here about calling that spade a spade. But I still haven't heard the voices who are able to both lucidly express the reasonable concerns and simultaneously condemn the voices of your Gript staff and worse. Who might such an individual or individuals be?? Because we hear the Gript and liberal.ie folk loud enough; who are their reasonable counterparts?? Genuine question. And don't say Douglas Murray; I'm talking about Irish voices.
Do a genuine majority have reservations about how the country is being run? Well, if they do, only the next elections will tell the actual weight of those reservations.
Why equate people who disagree with immigration policy with 'get the fuck out' brigades or whatever cognitive dissonance false reading you've convinced yourself of this time? RTÉ are Bernysian in their bullshit at this stage when it comes to government policy. They're less shouty about the Russia/Ukraine situation than lost causes like the BBC or The Guardian but in the name of Jaysus they are jokers of the highest order around this shit.
You have a serious 'hard-on', as they say in the states, for Gript lad. Are they that mental?
I didn't make that equation. I very pointedly didn't make that equation. Read again, slowly, and without a hard on ;)
Yeah exactly. It's unpalatable to acknowledge that most Irish people are dissatisfied with the flood of new arrivals and the lack of preparation or consultation with the public. Therefore you do that leftist thing of going 'but yeah insert extreme example here'
Quote from: hellfire on February 19, 2023, 11:00:54 AMThe coverage of the Ireland for all march was a bit of a joke. It doesn't change the fact that these toads represent a minority opinion. News outlets portrayed it as proof this retarded ideology is still winning. It isn't and pretending like it is makes them look foolish.
Lol
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2023, 01:35:19 PMYou have a serious 'hard-on', as they say in the states, for Gript lad. Are they that mental?
Pretty much the opposite number of RTE. Quite willing to skew facts in furtherance of a political aim. I like the idea of having a dissenting voice but if you're just going to make shit up then jog on.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2023, 01:48:44 PMYeah exactly. It's unpalatable to acknowledge that most Irish people are dissatisfied with the flood of new arrivals and the lack of preparation or consultation with the public. Therefore you do that leftist thing of going 'but yeah insert extreme example here'
Most Irish people just want to be housed, most Irish people are sick of global investment firms buying up all of our properties and letting them rot, most Irish people are sick of having to hand over 600 quid a month for a house share, but both our Government and the 'far right' are more than happy to scapegoat migrants instead of acknowledging government neglect, a neglect which is a part of the 'right wing' ideology you say you subscribe too.
A free market is all good as long as the 1% get a few more million, fuck everyone else, right?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2023, 01:48:44 PMIt's unpalatable to acknowledge that most Irish people are dissatisfied with the flood of new arrivals and the lack of preparation or consultation with the public. Therefore you do that leftist thing of going 'but yeah insert extreme example here'
Huh? No idea what you're talking about there. Not everyone dissatisfied with immigration policy want to be protesting outside refugee centres, that is what I said. As in, you shouldn't be surprised to see more people at an #IrelandForAll parade than at #IrelandIsFull protests held outside refugee accommodation, where the primary effect can only be to intimidate the refugees. It's another way of saying that I think there are more sound Irish people than cunts. Voilà. The other part of my message was asking who are the voices who articulate reasonable concerns
and condemn the cunts.
And I don't have a "hard-on" for Gript, less than any of ye do for RTE or the BBC or The Guardian. Nonsense shite out of ya.
I don't know what Gript is, you've just mentioned them more than a few times in a negative light. ALT RIGHT MEDIA OUTLET as I've just read. Can't any of these cunts just give a dispassionate account of events?
Quote from: ldj on February 19, 2023, 02:20:50 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2023, 01:48:44 PMYeah exactly. It's unpalatable to acknowledge that most Irish people are dissatisfied with the flood of new arrivals and the lack of preparation or consultation with the public. Therefore you do that leftist thing of going 'but yeah insert extreme example here'
Most Irish people just want to be housed, most Irish people are sick of global investment firms buying up all of our properties and letting them rot, most Irish people are sick of having to hand over 600 quid a month for a house share, but both our Government and the 'far right' are more than happy to scapegoat migrants instead of acknowledging government neglect, a neglect which is a part of the 'right wing' ideology you say you subscribe too.
A free market is all good as long as the 1% get a few more million, fuck everyone else, right?
I don't scapegoat migrants for that, I agree with you 100%. They are merely a symptom of the globalised elite destroying culture, decency and rewriting or unwriting history. The housing situation at home is totally unacceptable. My brother and his wife and three kids only managed to buy a house last year because between myself and the auld lad we were able to cobble a few quid together to help him. He's an engineer in a management role and is 37 years of age. Cunty state of affairs to put it mildly, and that's in Kilkenny. I can't imagine how daunting it would be to get a place in the capital.
I'd consider myself right wing, but only for lack of a better term.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2023, 02:33:23 PMQuote from: ldj on February 19, 2023, 02:20:50 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2023, 01:48:44 PMYeah exactly. It's unpalatable to acknowledge that most Irish people are dissatisfied with the flood of new arrivals and the lack of preparation or consultation with the public. Therefore you do that leftist thing of going 'but yeah insert extreme example here'
Most Irish people just want to be housed, most Irish people are sick of global investment firms buying up all of our properties and letting them rot, most Irish people are sick of having to hand over 600 quid a month for a house share, but both our Government and the 'far right' are more than happy to scapegoat migrants instead of acknowledging government neglect, a neglect which is a part of the 'right wing' ideology you say you subscribe too.
A free market is all good as long as the 1% get a few more million, fuck everyone else, right?
I don't scapegoat migrants for that, I agree with you 100%. They are merely a symptom of the globalised elite destroying culture, decency and rewriting or unwriting history. The housing situation at home is totally unacceptable. My brother and his wife and three kids only managed to buy a house last year because between myself and the auld lad we were able to cobble a few quid together to help him. He's an engineer in a management role and is 37 years of age. Cunty state of affairs to put it mildly, and that's in Kilkenny. I can't imagine how daunting it would be to get a place in the capital.
I'd consider myself right wing, but only for lack of a better term. THE right wing ideology? What's that when it's at home? I assume you're left leaning but not quite Richard Boyd Barrett or the Metal Warfare Poltical Commissar left.
Jaysus I made a cunt out of that.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2023, 02:37:11 PMJaysus I made a cunt out of that.
:laugh:.
A left wing society for me would mean our taxes going towards what they are actually intended for, state operated housing, education, healthcare, welfare etc.
Regulate the housing market so investment firms and landlords can't continue fucking over the people of Ireland.
Stop privatisation of what should be essential public services and use our taxes for what they should actually be used for.
And actually tax the rich/corporations for they actually should be taxed.
Our government are neo-liberal which means they value corporations and money more than the people, which in my view is right wing.
Quite a lot of that is more than reasonable. Can't we have that (SF say they want it but will never deliver) without the postmodern shit that has wrapped it's tentacles around the left?
Quote from: hellfire on February 19, 2023, 11:00:54 AMThe coverage of the Ireland for all march was a bit of a joke. It doesn't change the fact that these toads represent a minority opinion. News outlets portrayed it as proof this retarded ideology is still winning. It isn't and pretending like it is makes them look foolish.
Load of shit is what that was. NGOs bussing members in from all over the country and a free gig and they still had to inflate the shit out of the numbers. The government has lost the room on this one and there's no going back on it. The carry on around that counter protest will only further alienate people and fuel their fire that the news media is lying for the government.
Saying all that, I think the government know this and that's why the rhetoric has dampened slightly over the last week or two.
This isn't going away anyway
Quote from: ldj on February 19, 2023, 03:02:08 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on February 19, 2023, 02:37:11 PMJaysus I made a cunt out of that.
:laugh:.
A left wing society for me would mean our taxes going towards what they are actually intended for, state operated housing, education, healthcare, welfare etc.
Regulate the housing market so investment firms and landlords can't continue fucking over the people of Ireland.
Stop privatisation of what should be essential public services and use our taxes for what they should actually be used for.
And actually tax the rich/corporations for they actually should be taxed.
Our government are neo-liberal which means they value corporations and money more than the people, which in my view is right wing.
I think that was pretty much always the case but it has been twisted beyond recognition. Nice balanced and fair system
Quote from: astfgyl on February 19, 2023, 03:26:25 PMQuote from: hellfire on February 19, 2023, 11:00:54 AMThe coverage of the Ireland for all march was a bit of a joke. It doesn't change the fact that these toads represent a minority opinion. News outlets portrayed it as proof this retarded ideology is still winning. It isn't and pretending like it is makes them look foolish.
Load of shit is what that was. NGOs bussing members in from all over the country and a free gig and they still had to inflate the shit out of the numbers. The government has lost the room on this one and there's no going back on it. The carry on around that counter protest will only further alienate people and fuel their fire that the news media is lying for the government.
Saying all that, I think the government know this and that's why the rhetoric has dampened slightly over the last week or two.
This isn't going away anyway
It was the headline yesterday and it's been completely abandoned as of now. They might think twice next time , the lying pricks.
Obviously I've no idea how many were actually there, but this time lapse of part of the cortege shows it was at least a fair few:
https://twitter.com/jadeswilson/status/1626952427336335360
On the other hand, the evidence I've seen to say there wasn't that many seems to consist of people not understanding that even if there were a million in total, there is a physical limit on how many human beings can fit, stationary, on the quays outside the custom house:
https://twitter.com/Ebhlin4/status/1627210004301316097
Presumably ye have better evidence for your claims though...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 19, 2023, 05:40:27 PMObviously I've no idea how many were actually there, but this time lapse of part of the cortege shows it was at least a fair few:
https://twitter.com/jadeswilson/status/1626952427336335360
On the other hand, the evidence I've seen to say there wasn't that many seems to consist of people not understanding that even if there were a million in total, there is a physical limit on how many human beings can fit, stationary, on the quays outside the custom house:
https://twitter.com/Ebhlin4/status/1627210004301316097
Presumably ye have better evidence for your claims though...
https://twitter.com/keira_connolly1/status/1627295649577279490?t=ad_3Sfv1MN0L3-sjnzC7bw&s=19
https://twitter.com/JamesD74431175/status/1627221709513191425?t=uLXIcNYmYoR9KgO98EN_9A&s=19
Definitely 50k 🤣🤣🤣
And look we used the same picture
Quote from: astfgyl on February 19, 2023, 06:42:00 PMhttps://twitter.com/keira_connolly1/status/1627295649577279490?t=ad_3Sfv1MN0L3-sjnzC7bw&s=19
https://twitter.com/JamesD74431175/status/1627221709513191425?t=uLXIcNYmYoR9KgO98EN_9A&s=19
Definitely 50k 🤣🤣🤣
And look we used the same picture
What is even funnier is it was the same reporter that covered both events in the photos you posted above. Saw a twitter post earlier today as well from someone either at the Irish times or Independent who posted that 50k attended the march they deleted the post after an hour and reposted the same thing word for word but they replaced 50k with 15k.
The rally began at 1:30pm. That video you're linking to (if the "now" is to be taken seriously) was filmed after 5pm. I mean, there are clearly less people in that video than there are even in the meaningless comparison photo, so I guess logic dictates that many people had left by 5pm.
The time lapse video I linked to was posted to Twitter at 3:30pm yesterday, so is presumably a more reliable indicator of crowd size.
Customs House at 3:30pm -
https://twitter.com/CMacCaba/status/1626952314052288514
Here we see setting it to packed/moshpit size :abbath: we are hitting 5 people per sqm and we get 24405, set to 2 people per sqm and we get closer to 10,000 ->
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpV54e1WYAIteXg?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
Didn't the Gardai mention about 20,000 in their estimates? Regardless, 50,000 is way way off the mark. I'd be more inclined to go closer to the Gardai one rather than the 5,000/10,000 the other side are spouting.
Anyway - debating these figures are inconsequential. The figures that do have huge meaning are the immigration numbers. We simply cannot continue bringing in 70k+ at the pace we are doing so. We've seen how this has played out in other countries, if we can't manage our own housing/health/homeless crisis, good luck trying to tell me we'll handle integration of that magnitude. We are doing them a disservice too.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 19, 2023, 01:22:50 PMI think there probably are more Irish citizens who, all other things being equal, would feel a desire to parade the streets to say "Welcome" than there are Irish citizens who would want to protest outside a refugee centre to say "Get the fuck out."
Now, all other things aren't equal, but the fact remains that the #IrelandIsFull brigade can't and for the most part apparently don't want to excise from their ranks those kind of people who want to protest outside refugee centres. And don't be fucking kidding yourselves; doing that, specifically, doesn't take balls, it takes hatred, either of the misdirected or the very knowingly directed kind. If there are people spying on protests being held in sensible places which don't amount to pure intimidation with a view to doxxing participants, then those people are scum, no qualms here about calling that spade a spade. But I still haven't heard the voices who are able to both lucidly express the reasonable concerns and simultaneously condemn the voices of your Gript staff and worse. Who might such an individual or individuals be?? Because we hear the Gript and liberal.ie folk loud enough; who are their reasonable counterparts?? Genuine question. And don't say Douglas Murray; I'm talking about Irish voices.
Do a genuine majority have reservations about how the country is being run? Well, if they do, only the next elections will tell the actual weight of those reservations.
These are all good points and the answer is, the other side have always had these types of nutjobs from the get go and indeed they should cleanse themselves of those idiots. From what I've seen there isn't really a coherent voice within their ranks. I've seen how the liberal/Gript have acted throughout previous referendums and no way would you saddle your horse with them conservative twats and their shitty stables.
This is where I feel democracy hasn't been setup significantly enough to deal with the modern world and needs to be strengthened. Dev should have went further and had a referendum on nearly everything and get more people clued in, disinformation and the feeling of alienation of certain factions will only increase and lead them out of their echo chambers and into the mainstream when their narratives take hold.
Central bank employees were forecasting "Ireland is now competing for migrants with other European countries facing similarly tight domestic labour markets. Further, whilst migration inflows can assist in dampening wage growth, increased numbers of migrants will create overheating pressure in other areas of the economy, and particularly in the already congested housing market" (Conefrey, O'Reilly, Walsh & Zavalloni, 2019).
A lot of what ldj mentioned was reasonable to me. We should be both banning foreign vulture funds removing their overwhelming purchasing power on such a tiny island and slapping a massive inhibiting progressive tax on them owning properties. Derelict sites and properties, those owners should be hounded after like they would if you owed money to revenue. Back in 2013 the FG/Lab government spend money on DEMOLISHING ghost estates. Incompetence? Corruption? It was never in any governments interests to solve the housing crisis when you had the likes of bailing out banks/pensions and having the likes of NAMA. High immigration like we are seeing is compounding all these issues - and allows the government to continue the globalism train on it's corporate tracks, all the way down to the forever consuming capitalism land.
Ha, that's a cool little widget!
QuoteThis is where I feel democracy hasn't been setup significantly enough to deal with the modern world and needs to be strengthened. Dev should have went further and had a referendum on nearly everything and get more people clued in
100%
Even from my supposedly red commie scum perspective, getting to that point and everything it entails is a more crucial step, with regards to universal human welfare, than any more identifiably socialist changes: not an aim but a condition for what I would refer to as democratic socialism.
Quote from: The Butcher on February 19, 2023, 08:50:59 PMCentral bank employees were forecasting "Ireland is now competing for migrants with other European countries facing similarly tight domestic labour markets. Further, whilst migration inflows can assist in dampening wage growth, increased numbers of migrants will create overheating pressure in other areas of the economy, and particularly in the already congested housing market" (Conefrey, O'Reilly, Walsh & Zavalloni, 2019).
Terms like migrants and immigrants are too broad. They describe everything from a Pakistani doctor to a Georgian layabout. There is indeed stiff competition for certain subsets of immigrants. I know for a fact that IT hiring managers get very excited when they get a CV from a qualified Indian lad. This is why most people argue for an Australian type points system rather than a complete sealing of the borders. Bringing in tons of unskilled labour punishes those in lower income professions. The only time they will see a pay increase is on those rare occasions the legal minimum wage is increased.
The antics and discourse of #IrelandIsFull, etc., doesn't exactly make Ireland an attractive place for highly qualified foreign workers, does it now? You'll tell me if it's otherwise, but surely if foreign labourers coming in punishes those in lower income professions, that's primarily because the employers are being stingy exploitative pricks, no? In real terms, are there areas of employment where immigrants are the cause of Irish people being unemployed? Bearing in mind that unemployment in Ireland is literally as low now as it's ever been in our lifetimes (~4% https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate).
Seems to me that housing, not employment, is the real issue. Because whoever they be, even if ye lot got to individually hand pick all of them according to your scrupulous standards, if enough people were brought in to fill the worker shortage, there still wouldn't be enough housing for them. We need workers (including "unskilled", who could easily be put into apprenticeships, where Irish candidates are also lacking) and so we need houses for those workers.
Whose we? You haven't paid tax here in years. Labour like everything else is a commodity. Even with my primitive leaving cert economics I can deduce that when you increase the supply of something the price goes down. Highly qualified workers don't give a shit about the asylum process, social housing or anything to do with minimum wage. I work with four Indian lads who are forever in awe of the complete stupidity of providing welfare and social supports to people from other countries. The housing crisis affects them too and they have almost exactly the same opinions on Irish immigration policies as I do.
If you have primitive leaving cert economics, then you'll understand that what I'm saying, what the facts of Ireland's current employment market say, is that demand for workers is higher than supply, not the other way around, and not only in domains requiring high levels of qualification. So, again, are there areas of employment where immigrants are the cause of Irish people being unemployed? Or, if you prefer, the cause of Irish people being underpaid? Again, bearing in mind that unemployment is as low now as it was during the Celtic tiger. Like, is what you're saying true, an actual reality on the ground with elements you can point to? Or is it just something you've heard?
What your Indian friends may or may not think of the Irish welfare system is absolutely irrelevant.
I didn't say anything in my last post about unemployment. I used to work in zero qualification professions like bartending and call centres until I was 29. It is only in the last five years that I have an income that supports a decent standard of living. Have a look on any job site for those types of professions and you'll find that most of the jobs hover within a few Euros of minimum wage. If there are more jobs than people the wages go up as companies are in competition for fewer staff.
I don't know why I bother answering you half the time. It's less than a week since you proclaimed Cuba to be a desirable place to live. You rabbit around in circles spouting none but the finest nonsense. Absolutely the opinions of my Indian friends were related to the topic. You contended that a tighter immigration policy would put off people with high qualifications from working in Ireland.
Quote from: hellfire on February 20, 2023, 11:23:55 AMWhose we? You haven't paid tax here in years. Labour like everything else is a commodity. Even with my primitive leaving cert economics I can deduce that when you increase the supply of something the price goes down. Highly qualified workers don't give a shit about the asylum process, social housing or anything to do with minimum wage. I work with four Indian lads who are forever in awe of the complete stupidity of providing welfare and social supports to people from other countries. The housing crisis affects them too and they have almost exactly the same opinions on Irish immigration policies as I do.
Immigration in the short term suppresses wages but leads to an overall increase in wages over the long term. I only know this because of a project inhad tondo for for college based on the effects of immigration on wages. I can get the links to back it up later.
Grand so hellfire. You didn't answer any of my questions and misinterpreted this:
QuoteThe antics and discourse of #IrelandIsFull, etc., doesn't exactly make Ireland an attractive place for highly qualified foreign workers
Simple translation: Rowdy xenophobic protests outside refugee centres is not what one encourages if what one wants, if what one
needs is to attract highly qualified, highly educated foreigners to come work in a country.
I still have no idea what you're talking about regarding wages, as apart from repeating a mantra about supply and demand, you've shown nothing to indicate that immigrants are in fact either taking jobs from Irish people or driving Irish people's wages down.
Here's the best vaguely Irish angle I could find on the subject. And as an unexpected bonus, it even refers to the 1980 influx of Cuban migrants into Miami, which seems to have had minimal impact on local wages:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/12/18/have-globalisation-and-immigration-depressed-wages-or-made-us-richer/
Voice is given in that article to both sides of the
theory, so if your belief that immigrants are in fact driving down unskilled wages for Irish people is based on something more concrete than debated theory, great, please share it, I have a genuine interest. If it's not, you should rationally be relaxing your grip on that belief.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 20, 2023, 01:44:16 PMGrand so hellfire. You didn't answer any of my questions and misinterpreted this:
QuoteThe antics and discourse of #IrelandIsFull, etc., doesn't exactly make Ireland an attractive place for highly qualified foreign workers
Simple translation: Rowdy xenophobic protests outside refugee centres is not what one encourages if what one wants, if what one needs is to attract highly qualified, highly educated foreigners to come work in a country.
I still have no idea what you're talking about regarding wages, as apart from repeating a mantra about supply and demand, you've shown nothing to indicate that immigrants are in fact either taking jobs from Irish people or driving Irish people's wages down.
Here's the best vaguely Irish angle I could find on the subject. And as an unexpected bonus, it even refers to the 1980 influx of Cuban migrants into Miami, which seems to have had minimal impact on local wages:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/12/18/have-globalisation-and-immigration-depressed-wages-or-made-us-richer/
Voice is given in that article to both sides of the theory, so if your belief that immigrants are in fact driving down unskilled wages for Irish people is based on something more concrete than debated theory, great, please share it, I have a genuine interest. If it's not, you should rationally be relaxing your grip on that belief.
I answered it twice. Top tier professionals couldn't give a toss what you do outside asylum centres or any other state aid facilities. They have no intention of availing of them. Minimum wage, social welfare or anything else state funded is of little interest to them. Tax rates, cost and availability of accomdation are quite relevant.
Oilkiller thanks, I take you at your word. Did any of your studies look at what a sustained influx of immigration does to low income wages? You're pretty much at the initial stages permanently. That is the EU plan with no end date or end goal. I know the US opens the door wider at times when it's necessary and closes it tighter when needed. As do all non EU countries with any kind of sensible approach.
Quote from: hellfire on February 20, 2023, 02:04:06 PMI answered it twice.
That's an answer to a question I didn't ask.
Your claim:
Quote from: hellfireBringing in tons of unskilled labour punishes those in lower income professions.
My questions:
Quoteare there areas of employment where immigrants are the cause of Irish people being unemployed? Or, if you prefer, the cause of Irish people being underpaid? Again, bearing in mind that unemployment is as low now as it was during the Celtic tiger. Like, is what you're saying true, an actual reality on the ground with elements you can point to? Or is it just something you've heard?
An answer to this, but a factual one, not an answer that is just repeating a line of theory.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 20, 2023, 01:44:16 PMGrand so hellfire. You didn't answer any of my questions and misinterpreted this:
QuoteThe antics and discourse of #IrelandIsFull, etc., doesn't exactly make Ireland an attractive place for highly qualified foreign workers
Simple translation: Rowdy xenophobic protests outside refugee centres is not what one encourages if what one wants, if what one needs is to attract highly qualified, highly educated foreigners to come and work in a country.
Answered with:
Top tier professionals couldn't give a toss what you do outside asylum centres or any other state aid facilities. They have no intention of availing of them. Minimum wage, social welfare or anything else state funded is of little interest to them. Tax rates, cost and availability of accomdation are quite relevant.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 20, 2023, 02:17:01 PMare there areas of employment where immigrants are the cause of Irish people being unemployed? Or, if you prefer, the cause of Irish people being underpaid? Again, bearing in mind that unemployment is as low now as it was during the Celtic tiger. Like, is what you're saying true, an actual reality on the ground with elements you can point to? Or is it just something you've heard?
An answer to this, but a factual one, not an answer that is just repeating a line of theory.
Answered with:
4966 Today at 12:41:12 PM
I didn't say anything in my last post about unemployment. I used to work in zero qualification professions like bartending and call centres until I was 29. It is only in the last five years that I have an income that supports a decent standard of living. Have a look on any job site for those types of professions and you'll find that most of the jobs hover within a few Euros of minimum wage. If there are more jobs than people the wages go up as companies are in competition for fewer staff.
Also this theory you're referring to is not some fringe opinion. It is widely accepted and tested. In economics they refer to it as The Law of Supply and Demand.
I know we've reached the stage of the conversation where your deliberately sidewinding and pretending to misunderstand everything I say. I'll leave it there. The last thing the site needs is another ten pages of your hysterical horseshit.
I would put it out there that it's the actually the lads on the right of this discussion spouting hysterical horseshit, making up random percentages, not backing up claims, refering to people they disagree with as toads, leeches, vermin.
The left hand side has sources and photos and videos backing claims up and havnt been insulting the other side with name calling.
It's all very depressing.
Fair play to black Shepard carnage. I don't know where you get the energy. :)
Ah yes, the double account with five posts all in this thread :laugh: I'm enormously concerned by what you think.
Concerned enough to reply.
Okay, but the "law" of supply and demand is only useful where it reflects the empirical reality. Most famous case where this doesn't happen? Luxury goods. It's not a law there at all, which means it's not a universal law. And in the job/labour market also, you have to look at what's happening on the ground, you can't just throw a theory out as a prediction and presume it's accurate. That Irish Times article above goes into some of this. In either case, this "Bringing in tons of unskilled labour punishes those in lower income professions" is not a law. This is typical propaganda aimed at getting the working classes on board against immigrants instead of against employers, landlords, and governments.
Sorry to spoil that chubby you get from aggravating others on the internet but I'm out.
Quote from: Paul mcgrath on February 20, 2023, 03:00:42 PMI would put it out there that it's the actually the lads on the right of this discussion spouting hysterical horseshit, making up random percentages, not backing up claims, refering to people they disagree with as toads, leeches, vermin.
The left hand side has sources and photos and videos backing claims up and havnt been insulting the other side with name calling.
It's all very depressing.
Fair play to black Shepard carnage. I don't know where you get the energy. :)
Lol :)
"The third world constantly sends her own surplus to the Irish labor market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the Irish working class"
Xenophobic fascism etc etc? In fact that's a direct quote from Karl Marx, all I've done is exchange third world and English for Irish.
Quote from: hellfire on February 20, 2023, 02:04:06 PMOilkiller thanks, I take you at your word. Did any of your studies look at what a sustained influx of immigration does to low income wages? You're pretty much at the initial stages permanently. That is the EU plan with no end date or end goal. I know the US opens the door wider at times when it's necessary and closes it tighter when needed. As do all non EU countries with any kind of sensible approach.
The Cuban influx to Miami (as chris linked to) was part of it. And America in general and parts of europe over the years. If the majority of immigrants are low skilled then in the short term it can suppress wages. But over time it leads to an increase in wages due to larger workforce, more productivity etc.
I'll try to find the old college paper I did on it. Was a while ago now. I just Googled "impact of immigration on wages" and theres tons of studies done. But I'll try to find my paper as there was a good explanation that eludes me at present.
Irelands issue to me isnt immigration. Its housing. We have open immigration with the EU but we dont with elsewhere. Our current situation is 2 pronged. Abysmal government policy in relation to housing the last 30 years (we used to build houses in the 70's and 80's). And the Ukrainian situation. An influx over 70k just broke our system. If the successive governments of the last 30 years had implemented a sensible, controlled system (with private developers as well) with good regulation we wouldn't be having these bullshit arguments about us and them. There should be enough houses for all. That's why I cant stand protests outside asylum centres. The most misguided bullshit ever. Your local TD for FG or FF is not that far away. That's who you should be protesting to imo.
So the "Hechscher Ohlin" model is used in economics to show how countries should trade when resources are imbalanced in the world. Theres many versions of the graph depending on what factors you use. But it does give insight on how different factors affect output, productivity and wage levels.
I knew it 10 years ago. Cant make head nor tail of it now lol
The problem with Chris, and his verbosity, is that he has no idea how to explain why xenophobia is a bad thing.
The protests are not just about housing that is only one of a number of issues that people have a problem with. Not to worry because the Government will save the day soon when the housing for 'all' referendum is proposed later this year.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 20, 2023, 09:42:12 PMThe problem with Chris, and his verbosity, is that he has no idea how to explain why xenophobia is a bad thing.
I read an article before on which civilisations prospered while others failed hundreds of years ago. The biggest factor was trust. Those civilisations who trusted their neighbours and embraced the barter system thrived. These that had low levels of trust eventually failed. So seemingly xenophobia isnt great if you want a prosperous civilisation. Can what worked hundreds and thousands of years ago still apply today? One to ponder.
Quote from: 91/30 on February 20, 2023, 08:57:58 PM"The third world constantly sends her own surplus to the Irish labor market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the Irish working class"
Xenophobic fascism etc etc? In fact that's a direct quote from Karl Marx, all I've done is exchange third world and English for Irish.
It's not
all you've done: you've also tried to make it sound like economic theory which (may or may not have) applied in an economy in 1870 where peasants were fodder and where Ireland was under the control of the English, is relevant in the 21st century. You've also completely removed it from its context: in the full letter it's from, Marx is pretty clear about the real target of his ire.
QuoteEvery industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarians. The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself. He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the "poor whites" to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A.. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland.
This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organisation. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm
Darwin and all the lads used to refer to Africans and Indigenous Asians and Americans as "savages" around the same time. That wasn't fascist then, but if you call someone a "savage" today, in the 21st century, merely on the basis of their country of origin, then you don't get the same kinda green card we give to Darwin and Co. Marx may or may not have been right in 1870 about what he said, but we know that things in the enormously changed modern market
don't work like that, and people (not talking about hellfire or any users here) who really know the ins and outs of economics yet peddle that kind of discourse in the 21st century, they are doing so for exactly the same kind of reasons Marx went on to underline in the passage I chose to cite from the same letter. And those in the political class, or aspiring to be in the political class, who do peddle that discourse are similarly "quite aware of this."
Quote from: 91/30 on February 20, 2023, 08:57:58 PM"The third world constantly sends her own surplus to the Irish labor market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the Irish working class"
Xenophobic fascism etc etc? In fact that's a direct quote from Karl Marx, all I've done is exchange third world and English for Irish.
Do you mean the same Karl Marx who wrote:
"The Jewish nigger Lassalle who, I'm glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation. The chap would sooner throw money down the drain than lend it to a 'friend,' even though his interest and capital were guaranteed. ... It is now quite plain to me—as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify—that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses' flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a nigger). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow's importunity is also niggerlike"
And this:
" What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Haggling. What is his worldly god? Money! ... Money is the jealous god of Israel before whom no other god may exist.
Money degrades all the gods of mankind and converts them into commodities ... What is contained abstractly in the Jewish religion – contempt for theory, for art, for history, for man as an end in himself ... The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Jewishness."
And knocked up his maid? Who incidentally was never paid a wage more than a keep? That Karl Marx? The man who would have been considered a deplorable racist even if time and place was given as an excuse.
Yes, that Karl Marx. Jewish lookin' guy.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 21, 2023, 12:49:39 AMYes, that Karl Marx. Jewish lookin' guy.
Edit - Bollocks to arguing with lemons on the internet.
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 20, 2023, 10:44:57 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on February 20, 2023, 09:42:12 PMThe problem with Chris, and his verbosity, is that he has no idea how to explain why xenophobia is a bad thing.
I read an article before on which civilisations prospered while others failed hundreds of years ago. The biggest factor was trust. Those civilisations who trusted their neighbours and embraced the barter system thrived. These that had low levels of trust eventually failed. So seemingly xenophobia isnt great if you want a prosperous civilisation. Can what worked hundreds and thousands of years ago still apply today? One to ponder.
Maybe pal, but who knows? Articles exist which support claims of all kinds.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2023, 03:39:07 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 21, 2023, 12:49:39 AMYes, that Karl Marx. Jewish lookin' guy.
Edit - Bollocks to arguing with lemons on the internet.
Haha, no worries; I was mainly taking the piss, since at the same time (see Stand-Up thread) I was watching a "secular" Jewish comedian taking the piss out of Jewishness.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 20, 2023, 09:42:12 PMMaybe pal, but who knows? Articles exist which support claims of all kinds.
I'd agree with this. Many articles/reports to back any position on migration and wages as it's heavily politicised. Depends on many other factors too. Irish Universities Association says there are currently over 32,000 international students studying in Ireland availing of the extensive range of courses available. For universities this plugs the deficits they have as these student pay much much more but then a lot of these students end up feeling exploited as they arrive into a housing crisis, what's more important currently to our society as a whole, shouldn't we be telling these students not to come? ->
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/we-feel-exploited-international-students-on-studying-in-ireland-1.4784355
https://www.independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/we-ve-got-a-crisis-we-need-workers-big-business-urges-election-winner-to-boost-migration-20220513-p5aky9.html
I do become highly skeptical at business leaders foaming at the mouth over these issues as with the last link. Seems to me that the ideal for our consumption led pyramid scheme society is that immigrants create more demand than they suppress wages after all the calculations are done and dusted so feck all the other factors involved, the time it takes to build accommodation, to build, hell even maintain infrastructure, feck school class sizes, feck the ever increasing waiting lists in our hospitals, we must lower our standards and quality of life, with not even a democractic discussion coinciding with a vote on these very impactful decisions. To say it's just about housing is very very disingenuous and I despise the hateful idiots outside these centres protesting along with the misguided and fearful. In reality Ireland isn't full. Ireland for all sounds lovely and bubbly in theory but ain't reality either.
https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/a78027-statistics-on-personal-public-service-pps-numbers-issued/#2023
23k PPSNs for January 2023 - 5k Irish, 3,750 approx Ukraine - and look at 2022, 2021 etc, replacement migration is supposedly a right wing conspiracy theory! I've often seem them spout this online but how do you counter it with figures like these?
The wage depression I was speaking of was at the lower end of the scale. I don't think it's acceptable that someone should have to go to college and work a professional job in order to make ends meet. With a constant supply of unskilled labour you create a class of people for whom society doesn't work. Sinn Fein abandoned the working class completely and Labour not existing because they did the same. Representation for these people doesn't really exist at present. Expect more unpleasant scenes. If the rest of Europe is anything to go by then vandalism and arson are on the horizon for asylum centres. Not saying that's right but it's stupid to think we won't end up going the exact same way.
So how about these Roal Dahl books being changed where you can't call Augustus Gloop fat or the Twits ugly?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 21, 2023, 12:51:36 PMSo how about these Roal Dahl books being changed where you can't call Augustus Gloop fat or the Twits ugly?
Threw that in a page or two back. It's stupid really. The things are a product of their time and if people are that easily offended they should probably just write new books for themselves that they won't be offended by.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 21, 2023, 01:35:57 PMQuote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 21, 2023, 12:51:36 PMSo how about these Roal Dahl books being changed where you can't call Augustus Gloop fat or the Twits ugly?
Threw that in a page or two back. It's stupid really. The things are a product of their time and if people are that easily offended they should probably just write new books for themselves that they won't be offended by.
Was thinking about how quickly this one died actually. It's the first thing thrown in here in quite a while that didn't have a single person speaking up for it.
Even Paul McGrath didn't try to talk us round :P
I wonder if it'll go ahead, there seems to be a (rightful) backlash already. His French publishers have said they don't want any part of it, for instance. Rishi Sunak and even the bastard son of Henry Kelly (AKA Ryan Tubridy) have said it's nonsense.
Wait 'til they find out what Snozzberries actually are.
It's not even a free speech issue for me: you don't alter a dead person's art, especially when you can guarantee said dead person, for better or worse, would have fucking hated the alterations proposed.
The Dio hologram agrees with you and counsels caution on this matter.
Yes the funny thing is that it isn't at all a free speech issue because there are many of the OG offensive versions knocking about and everyone can see the stupidity for what it is.
It's akin to repainting some of the classics like making the Mona Lisa laugh or something or painting aeroplanes into the starry night because yknow that's how things are now
QuoteTaking to the stage, Condon paid tribute to director Martin McDonagh, adding: "Thank you for all the parts you gave me throughout my career. You make me so proud to be an Irish woman."
So what does that mean now?
Take what side you like but what's to be proud of when it's all a load of homogenous shit anyway. Might as well say you're proud to be a citizen of the world because what fuckin difference if everything goes the way it's going.
Serious point I'm making here as well btw careful what you wish for
Quote from: astfgyl on February 21, 2023, 05:16:03 PMIt's akin to repainting some of the classics like making the Mona Lisa laugh or something or painting aeroplanes into the starry night because yknow that's how things are now
That Mona Lisa smut needs to be censored alright. She should be a sixteen stone trans woman with all cleavage hidden and in a sports bra.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 21, 2023, 03:58:23 PMIt's not even a free speech issue for me: you don't alter a dead person's art, especially when you can guarantee said dead person, for better or worse, would have fucking hated the alterations proposed.
JRRT would despise and disown the LOTR Amazon disaster.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2023, 07:40:59 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 21, 2023, 03:58:23 PMIt's not even a free speech issue for me: you don't alter a dead person's art, especially when you can guarantee said dead person, for better or worse, would have fucking hated the alterations proposed.
JRRT would despise and disown the LOTR Amazon disaster.
He also would have despised and disowned The Hobbit "trilogy" long before. Quite possibly Jackson's LotR trilogy too (Christopher Tolkien, for example, didn't like it at all). But nothing in the realm of adaptations is in the same ballpark as fobbing off rewrites as the work of the original author.
Nobody likes the hobbit trilogy.
The gulf in quality between Jackson's LOTR and the Amazon yoke is vast and insurmountable. Diversity hires aside, it cannot compare. Not even close.
Jackson only has a 50/50 record working off complete access to Tolkien's central, fully crafted works.
The RoP showrunners were pointed to a vast empty space in the legendarium and told, "You can mess around in there, see what you can come up with. No, you get no story, no dialogue written by Tolkien."
Anyway, to steer this back on topic, I'm pretty sure Roald Dahl also had serious issues with some of the adaptations. Must refresh my memory on that.
It's well known that he hated Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory, not sure about the others
See the culture war thing there with the table tennis. Shocking altogether. All I know is FACTS abound and we need to get to the bottom of it before society goes to hell or turns into a utopia. Quick, grab a pitch fork!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2023, 08:38:17 PMNobody likes the hobbit trilogy.
The gulf in quality between Jackson's LOTR and the AmazoQuote from: Caomhaoin on February 21, 2023, 08:38:17 PMNobody likes the hobbit trilogy.
The gulf in quality between Jackson's LOTR and the Amazon yoke is vast and insurmountable. Diversity hires aside, it cannot compare. Not even close.
A lad I used to know was adamant The Hobbit trilogy was better than the LOTR trilogy. Lunacy.
And yes, the amazon yoke is awful compared to the LOTR films.
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 22, 2023, 10:36:49 AMA lad I used to know was adamant The Hobbit trilogy was better than the LOTR trilogy. Lunacy.
People like that convince themselves that St. Anger is a decent record ;D
Quote from: Giggles on February 22, 2023, 12:09:05 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on February 22, 2023, 10:36:49 AMA lad I used to know was adamant The Hobbit trilogy was better than the LOTR trilogy. Lunacy.
People like that convince themselves that St. Anger is a decent record ;D
I know people saying they love St. Anger. But that's fine, I guess. I love some of Poison, so who am I to judge anyone's taste in music.
Quote from: Giggles on February 22, 2023, 12:09:05 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on February 22, 2023, 10:36:49 AMA lad I used to know was adamant The Hobbit trilogy was better than the LOTR trilogy. Lunacy.
I've yet to hear anyone share that opinion, thankfully.
People like that convince themselves that St. Anger is a decent record ;D
https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1628371504676175876?s=20
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 22, 2023, 04:43:49 PMhttps://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1628371504676175876?s=20
Any idea what prompted the display of unbridled barbarism?
I believe it's this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherstone_Ball_Game
Tis
Was the ball in there somewhere?? Mental!
Wait, who's offended by this!?!?
No one here!
Quote from: astfgyl on February 22, 2023, 08:31:45 PMWait, who's offended by this!?!?
Well, for starters there is a clear under-representation of people of colour. ;)
Shirkers!
To quote Peep Show, it'd be great if a car just ploughed into the lot of them, twisted broken bones.
Quote from: stearl on February 22, 2023, 05:00:54 PMI believe it's this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherstone_Ball_Game
"The game itself has few rules, two being that play is restricted to Long Street and participants are not allowed to kill anyone."
I don't know where to start with that. Some traditions just need to die.
Well it's probably better than them beating the wife and kids, and I happen to think that the not-killing-each other rule is an empathetic gesture!
Ha, truly great news:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/25/roald-dahl-threatened-publisher-with-enormous-crocodile-if-they-changed-his-words
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 25, 2023, 04:20:58 PMHa, truly great news:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/25/roald-dahl-threatened-publisher-with-enormous-crocodile-if-they-changed-his-words
Very good!
In other potentially offensive news, I see that the most popular boys name for 2022 in Galway city was (drum roll)....
Muhammad.
I'd say the CSO were wincing at publishing that lovely bit of fodder for the far right.
Everywhere else is going to be riddled with Jacks for the future, so at least it's a bit of variety anyway. It's also worth considering how common that name is among the Islam boys vs how common anything is for the Christians.
Still, there'll be lads crying into their tricolours tonight over this
Loadsa Noahs everywhere too. Them Jews again I suppose! :laugh:
Saw that as well :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on February 25, 2023, 05:30:41 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 25, 2023, 04:20:58 PMHa, truly great news:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/25/roald-dahl-threatened-publisher-with-enormous-crocodile-if-they-changed-his-words
Very good!
In other potentially offensive news, I see that the most popular boys name for 2022 in Galway city was (drum roll)....
Muhammad.
I'd say the CSO were wincing at publishing that lovely bit of fodder for the far right.
Everywhere else is going to be riddled with Jacks for the future, so at least it's a bit of variety anyway. It's also worth considering how common that name is among the Islam boys vs how common anything is for the Christians.
Still, there'll be lads crying into their tricolours tonight over this
Where are you seeing the Muhammad thing?
Ah i see it, that's mad!
Yeah the CSO have it. I have to say I'm enjoying the bit of outrage it's causing. Also a bit funny that it was never an Eastern European name but then again it's been the English language and names forever and no-one really noticed
As you say, it was never an Eastern European name cos only the Muslims have that fairly unique naming convention. A good question is how many of X name does it take in a year in a single county or city to be top. Maybe not that many.
So I see Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) finally decided to go the whole hog, douse himself in petrol and throw himself on the already burning pyre, a martyr for the rest of his life (in his own words; "there's no coming back from this").
First, the background context he seems either unaware of or chose to ignore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white
Then the poll on the question "Is it OK to be white?", carried out by Rasmussen Reports:
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1628460192932237313
(Note that this wouldn't be the first time Rasmussen, a clearly conservative leaning institution, will have been criticized over wording its polls in such a way as to generate results that are politically charged but with a specifically conservative narrative comforting bias.)
And finally, how Adams decided to react to his interpretation of the results:
https://twitter.com/DavidRossShow/status/1629742579624603648
(ignore the tweet text itself, it's just one of the few I found that had a long video extract instead of a snippet)
And, naturally, his Dilbert strip (which I used to like a lot years back) has now been dropped by dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds of papers. RIP Dilbert.
For perspective, I wonder what the results would be if you polled Irish citizens on "Is it OK to be British?" If you asked me that, a part of me would reflexively think, "Well, I'd hate to be British, so in that way, no." Just like the people behind the original "okay to be white" trolling campaign, Rasmussen were also, I think it's safe to assume since it's their job, fully aware of the ambiguity of the question. They must be absolutely chuffed with the exposure!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 25, 2023, 10:11:57 PMAs you say, it was never an Eastern European name cos only the Muslims have that fairly unique naming convention. A good question is how many of X name does it take in a year in a single county or city to be top. Maybe not that many.
I'd say it's not a massive amount either. I'm getting a good laugh out of it tbf
72 according to the CSO. That's just Galway though.
Quote from: hellfire on February 26, 2023, 11:39:58 AM72 according to the CSO. That's just Galway though.
Nah, it's 72 nationwide:
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-ibn/irishbabiesnames2022/data/
(Expand 'Show Table: Table 2.2 Top 100 babies' names registered in 2022, in order of popularity - numbers registered between 2021 and 2022')
Muhammad barely gets into the national top 100.
Here, ye'll all get a laugh out of this:
https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1629975959108481025
When equally unbearable people collide. Though, at least one of them is funny :laugh: :abbath:
All 7 of her followers must have been devastated :laugh:
https://blog.pmpress.org/2022/11/17/black-metal-has-always-been-queer-and-anti-authoritarian/
They can order a copy of this new black metal instruction manual to help them through the difficult time.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 28, 2023, 11:07:27 AMAll 7 of her followers must have been devastated :laugh:
https://blog.pmpress.org/2022/11/17/black-metal-has-always-been-queer-and-anti-authoritarian/
They can order a copy of this new black metal instruction manual to help them through the difficult time.
Nuclear War Now
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 28, 2023, 10:42:07 AMHere, ye'll all get a laugh out of this:
https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1629975959108481025
When equally unbearable people collide. Though, at least one of them is funny :laugh: :abbath:
Saw that fuckin eejit yesterday :laugh:
Yer man's dead right, if a bit rude. The entitlement of yer wan, fuck off.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 28, 2023, 11:07:27 AMhttps://blog.pmpress.org/2022/11/17/black-metal-has-always-been-queer-and-anti-authoritarian/
They can order a copy of this new black metal instruction manual to help them through the difficult time.
I was happier before I knew that existed. Thanks lad
https://www.google.com/search?q=dick+horn&sxsrf=AJOqlzVvi9ELMdkJQphhd5dHMokHlKKmLA%3A1677669961626&ei=STb_Y-vtJZWTgQaZ8pf4DA&oq=dick+horn&gs_lcp=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&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#ip=1
Betcha this lad never minded gathering a few faggots for the fire in his day. I wonder if he thinks the modern world is all rather queer.
Have you been at the yokes again?
Nah I was just talking to the wife about funny names after talking about the rewriting of the Roald Dahl books and it got me thinking about an old couple up the road when I was young and she was called fanny and then thought about lads called Dick and that led to remembering there's a lad with that name and wondering how he'd fit into the modern world
There's a flesh tuxedo joke to be made there somehow.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 12:26:27 PMThere's a flesh tuxedo joke to be made there somehow.
I'm thinking hard!
https://twitter.com/RealIrishCONS/status/1630327729752088576?t=Zqjo1et6mC51zne-hMYZ-A&s=19
I think the immigration debate has finally been settled. Powerful words from this senator
And plenty of anti-traveller prejudice from the OP account directly beneath.
And here's the full paragraph of what she was saying:
"We are talking about accommodation. Refugees and other migrants are living in horrible accommodation. I could use worse words. We have to understand that, when talking about housing the Irish and all that oul' jazz that is coming out of people's mouths just to spread oul' propaganda, hate and lies and to divide our communities, we are not giving refugees houses; we are putting them into hotels."
Funny how the cunt behind that account chopped off the end of it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 05:52:53 PMAnd plenty of anti-traveller prejudice from the OP account directly beneath.
And here's the full paragraph of what she was saying:
"We are talking about accommodation. Refugees and other migrants are living in horrible accommodation. I could use worse worster words. We have to understand that, when talking about housing the Irish and all that oul' jazz that is coming out of people's mouths just to spread oul' propaganda popper ganda, hate and lies and to divide our communities, we are not giving refugees houses; we are putting them into hotels."
Funny how the cunt behind that account chopped off the end of it.
Ahhh you.
Also what have the comments underneath have to do with the content of the video?
"We are not giving refugees houses, we are putting them in hotels". What difference does that make to the absolute smokescreen of the mythical far right (ok maybe there's about 3 of them that are real) being used to justify the governments decision to take any cunts from anywhere, refugee or not and feed them and keep them and flood the country with them.
Remember when we were talking about women and children from Ukraine and men over 60? I do, it was what we were told but now we're flooded with Middle Eastern migrants and lads from Kashmir and fuckin anywhere else you can lose a passport on the way from and then to top it all off we have this absolute fucking token illiterate senator trying to fob off legitimate concerns that we've been sold a pup by taking the typical government stance of saying we're all racists and bigots for not liking the direction the country has rather suddenly gone in.
Anyway...
Edit: also don't get started with the noble traveller stuff. I have to deal with them plenty.
From the tweet you posted:
"Senator Eileen Flynn reckons saying 'house Irish people in Ireland is spreading propaganda and hate'."
You can only draw that conclusion about what she "reckons" by truncating what she said. So yer man truncated what she said. That's what difference it makes.
I don't really follow any of this stuff but is it only recently that this is happening?
The amount of people coming into the country I mean.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 06:39:37 PMFrom the tweet you posted:
"Senator Eileen Flynn reckons saying 'house Irish people in Ireland is spreading propaganda and hate'."
You can only draw that conclusion about what she "reckons" by truncating what she said. So yer man truncated what she said. That's what difference it makes.
No just the video, not the account who posted it or their interpretation of it.
It speaks for itself
A truncation is not an interpretation. It's a distortion. He distorted what she said and thousands of people fell for it.
Quote from: blessed1 on March 01, 2023, 06:53:37 PMI don't really follow any of this stuff but is it only recently that this is happening?
The amount of people coming into the country I mean.
Yeah a massive massive increase since the war broke out in Ukraine. Some people think it's grand, some people think it's too much too soon. The latter camp are underrepresented in the dáil and the media, other than to be vilified. I don't know what it's like where you live but here it's been a very obvious shift from Eastern Europeans to Middle Eastern lads who are doing the local foreigning and the loopholes appear to have been created whenever whichever rule was bent to allow the Ukrainian women and children and men over 60 to come here.
Fair fuckin glad I didn't adopt one. We are in some sort of virtue signal hellscape of an island now anyway
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 08:09:50 PMA truncation is not an interpretation. It's a distortion. He distorted what she said and thousands of people fell for it.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 08:07:48 PMNo just the video, not the account who posted it or their interpretation of it.
It speaks for itself
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 05:52:53 PMwe are not giving refugees houses; we are putting them into hotels."
"Around 800 Ukrainian refugees will be housed in 200 modular homes by Easter, Children's Minister Roderic O'Gorman has said.
The first such homes for refugees will be built in Cavan Town, Mahon in Co Cork, Thurles, Co Tipperary, Sligo and Claremorris, Co Mayo. Construction works are currently under way."
So yes that twitter account is wrong for distorting the full jist of what she was saying but still - she is wrong in that part of the quotation. We are slotting them in anywhere, hotels, schools, halls, houses, you name it.
Quote from: The Butcher on March 01, 2023, 08:41:04 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 05:52:53 PMwe are not giving refugees houses; we are putting them into hotels."
"Around 800 Ukrainian refugees will be housed in 200 modular homes by Easter, Children's Minister Roderic O'Gorman has said.
The first such homes for refugees will be built in Cavan Town, Mahon in Co Cork, Thurles, Co Tipperary, Sligo and Claremorris, Co Mayo. Construction works are currently under way."
So yes that twitter account is wrong for distorting the full jist of what she was saying but still - she is wrong in that part of the quotation. We are slotting them in anywhere, hotels, schools, halls, houses, you name it.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot they were lashing up those modular homes there about 200 yards in a straight line from me gaff as well how the fuck did I miss that open goal chance there. Interestingly, as is the general run of things it's being built to join up with the estate in the town with the most Africans, Travellers and Middle Eastern lads so those of us on the other side of the wall welcome them all wholeheartedly :laugh:
Edit: I should have said those of us Irish, Malaysian, Polish, Latvian and even the dreaded English over this side of the wall on my street that only has ten houses on it welcome them all wholeheartedly.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 08:14:44 PMQuote from: blessed1 on March 01, 2023, 06:53:37 PMI don't really follow any of this stuff but is it only recently that this is happening?
The amount of people coming into the country I mean.
Yeah a massive massive increase since the war broke out in Ukraine. Some people think it's grand, some people think it's too much too soon. The latter camp are underrepresented in the dáil and the media, other than to be vilified. I don't know what it's like where you live but here it's been a very obvious shift from Eastern Europeans to Middle Eastern lads who are doing the local foreigning and the loopholes appear to have been created whenever whichever rule was bent to allow the Ukrainian women and children and men over 60 to come here.
Fair fuckin glad I didn't adopt one. We are in some sort of virtue signal hellscape of an island now anyway
I live in Galway and I haven't even met one Ukrainian yet lol
I have noticed there is a good amount of new middle Eastern beggars in the city in the last year or two but I'm nearly certain they were here before the war broke out. They are definitely newish though.
Can't say I notice too much to be honest as I usually go to work and get out of the city as fast as I can and rarely go in at weekends so I'm out in the country most of the time.
I saw someone say in one of the other threads that Galway doesn't seem that safe anymore and I dunno but I was having a few cans with one of my friends in the city recently and got a late bus home and walking through shop street and especially eyre Square had a different buzz to it.
Seemed a lot more hostile but that could just be from not being in the city late that often. Didn't notice any of the trouble makers to be foreign either. Just a lot of knacker scum type around.
I did notice a shitload of the same beggars hanging around the streets as well.
They weren't bothering anyone that I could see but I did notice a lot of them sleeping in doorways and stuff.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 08:15:56 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 08:09:50 PMA truncation is not an interpretation. It's a distortion. He distorted what she said and thousands of people fell for it.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 08:07:48 PMNo just the video, not the account who posted it or their interpretation of it.
It speaks for itself
Lad, the person who truncated the video is the person who decided
not to let the video speak for itself. Basic stuff. And even if you don't,
he knew exactly what he was doing when he decided to cut the video mid-sentence. You should be as angry at him for playing you for a fool as you are at the government when they do the same. Cos jaysus, if any of them did similar in distorting a video about COVID or christ knows what, you'd be wise to that and hopping mad about it and we all know it.
RealIrishCONS says: "She wants Ireland to house illegal immigrants
instead."
Nothing of the sort said by her, something which is clear just by letting her finish her sentence. Do you not see the manipulation?
Well, at least I can enjoy the fact that CONS is French for fucking idiots (genuinely).
Thanks for that info Butcher. Prefab houses thrown up in a flash, not exactly luxury though, and by the looks of it not going up in areas that are hotbeds for "our own" Irish homeless seeking to live.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 09:25:23 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 08:15:56 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 01, 2023, 08:09:50 PMA truncation is not an interpretation. It's a distortion. He distorted what she said and thousands of people fell for it.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 08:07:48 PMNo just the video, not the account who posted it or their interpretation of it.
It speaks for itself
Lad, the person who truncated the video is the person who decided not to let the video speak for itself. Basic stuff. And even if you don't, he knew exactly what he was doing when he decided to cut the video mid-sentence. You should be as angry at him for playing you for a fool as you are at the government when they do the same. Cos jaysus, if any of them did similar in distorting a video about COVID or christ knows what, you'd be wise to that and hopping mad about it and we all know it.
RealIrishCONS says: "She wants Ireland to house illegal immigrants instead."
Nothing of the sort said by her, something which is clear just by letting her finish her sentence. Do you not see the manipulation?
Well, at least I can enjoy the fact that CONS is French for fucking idiots (genuinely).
Thanks for that info Butcher. Prefab houses thrown up in a flash, not exactly luxury though, and by the looks of it not going up in areas that are hotbeds for "our own" Irish homeless seeking to live.
Look man, I missed the open goal with your whole schtick about that video earlier so I'm not bothering typing out that particular riposte to your obfuscating tactics now and you can stay purposely missing the point for as long as you like.
I could say worster things but I don't want to get into the anti immigration style proper ganda
Quote from: blessed1 on March 01, 2023, 09:19:12 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 08:14:44 PMQuote from: blessed1 on March 01, 2023, 06:53:37 PMI don't really follow any of this stuff but is it only recently that this is happening?
The amount of people coming into the country I mean.
Yeah a massive massive increase since the war broke out in Ukraine. Some people think it's grand, some people think it's too much too soon. The latter camp are underrepresented in the dáil and the media, other than to be vilified. I don't know what it's like where you live but here it's been a very obvious shift from Eastern Europeans to Middle Eastern lads who are doing the local foreigning and the loopholes appear to have been created whenever whichever rule was bent to allow the Ukrainian women and children and men over 60 to come here.
Fair fuckin glad I didn't adopt one. We are in some sort of virtue signal hellscape of an island now anyway
I live in Galway and I haven't even met one Ukrainian yet lol
I have noticed there is a good amount of new middle Eastern beggars in the city in the last year or two but I'm nearly certain they were here before the war broke out. They are definitely newish though.
Can't say I notice too much to be honest as I usually go to work and get out of the city as fast as I can and rarely go in at weekends so I'm out in the country most of the time.
I saw someone say in one of the other threads that Galway doesn't seem that safe anymore and I dunno but I was having a few cans with one of my friends in the city recently and got a late bus home and walking through shop street and especially eyre Square had a different buzz to it.
Seemed a lot more hostile but that could just be from not being in the city late that often. Didn't notice any of the trouble makers to be foreign either. Just a lot of knacker scum type around.
I did notice a shitload of the same beggars hanging around the streets as well.
They weren't bothering anyone that I could see but I did notice a lot of them sleeping in doorways and stuff.
Was in Waterford last weekend and the amount of Middle Eastern lads sleeping in doorways was something to behold. The young fella kept begging me to give him money so he could give it to them so I really noticed the sheer amount. The Romanian beggars are still the real masters of the art though, there was one bird and she was rocking back and forth on her knees screaming "please please please please" and making the prayer hands. I've never seen such a performance and a mate of mine is married to a Romanian so I have heard tales of their wily ways
I was up in Dublin one time, I think it was for a Decapited gig, and I arrived in early in the day and went on a saucefest.
I was bananas in some pub and I went outside for a fag (a cigarette, not a homosexual). I went out the front door for it, they had a massive smoking area but we do go out the front door in my local and in my cuntedness I must have thought I was at home.
Next thing I know there's a Roma beggar woman screaming something about food for her baby, into my face.
Me like a thick, in a fit of uncharacteristic charity, gave her 2 Euro I had in me pocket.
Next thing I know there's four of them around me, pawing at me, and screaming into my face about the emenent death their starving children.
I had to fight my way back in the door of the pub to get away from the cunts.
It was an awful ordeal alltogether.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 09:50:55 PMQuote from: blessed1 on March 01, 2023, 09:19:12 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2023, 08:14:44 PMQuote from: blessed1 on March 01, 2023, 06:53:37 PMI don't really follow any of this stuff but is it only recently that this is happening?
The amount of people coming into the country I mean.
Yeah a massive massive increase since the war broke out in Ukraine. Some people think it's grand, some people think it's too much too soon. The latter camp are underrepresented in the dáil and the media, other than to be vilified. I don't know what it's like where you live but here it's been a very obvious shift from Eastern Europeans to Middle Eastern lads who are doing the local foreigning and the loopholes appear to have been created whenever whichever rule was bent to allow the Ukrainian women and children and men over 60 to come here.
Fair fuckin glad I didn't adopt one. We are in some sort of virtue signal hellscape of an island now anyway
I live in Galway and I haven't even met one Ukrainian yet lol
I have noticed there is a good amount of new middle Eastern beggars in the city in the last year or two but I'm nearly certain they were here before the war broke out. They are definitely newish though.
Can't say I notice too much to be honest as I usually go to work and get out of the city as fast as I can and rarely go in at weekends so I'm out in the country most of the time.
I saw someone say in one of the other threads that Galway doesn't seem that safe anymore and I dunno but I was having a few cans with one of my friends in the city recently and got a late bus home and walking through shop street and especially eyre Square had a different buzz to it.
Seemed a lot more hostile but that could just be from not being in the city late that often. Didn't notice any of the trouble makers to be foreign either. Just a lot of knacker scum type around.
I did notice a shitload of the same beggars hanging around the streets as well.
They weren't bothering anyone that I could see but I did notice a lot of them sleeping in doorways and stuff.
Was in Waterford last weekend and the amount of Middle Eastern lads sleeping in doorways was something to behold. The young fella kept begging me to give him money so he could give it to them so I really noticed the sheer amount. The Romanian beggars are still the real masters of the art though, there was one bird and she was rocking back and forth on her knees screaming "please please please please" and making the prayer hands. I've never seen such a performance and a mate of mine is married to a Romanian so I have heard tales of their wily ways
I worked with a bunch of Romanian lads on sites and they went to great lengths to let us know that they are not Romanian gypsies, they are Roma gypsies, of the Roma nation, not Romania. They set up camp in Romania but they aren't Romanian. They disavowed all ownership of them.
Financial assistance to the accommodation efforts in neighbouring countries would have been a far more appropriate way of helping. Ukraine aside the idea of importing people as the primary way to assist in global conflicts is doomed to failure. It has been failing and will continue to do so. Remember when we used to send state aid and voluntary donations to other places?
Nostalgic, if not interesting, 2 min video of a news report from 1991 featuring parents who got triggered by the release of SNES.
https://youtu.be/MTzyz2TgGls
Quote from: Giggles on March 02, 2023, 05:33:41 PMNostalgic, if not interesting, 2 min video of a news report from 1991 featuring parents who got triggered by the release of SNES.
https://youtu.be/MTzyz2TgGls
I see it too, as little consolation as that will be when it all comes to a rather sudden end
That clip is absolutely brilliant. Fantastic I might even say..
https://youtu.be/U_bv1jfYYu4
Reminds me of the cover of the first RATM album. Really going down in flames here
Eddie izzard when in girl mode is going to go by the name suzi but doesn't mind if you call him Eddie or he.
Just wondering what sort of stand up career he'll have now. Alot of people I speak to say yeah they found him funny and his work for charity with the marathons is nothing short of incredible but...this boy mode girl mode seems a bit off.
https://twitter.com/IrishMuslimCoun/status/1633205015572561926?t=3-YUaiXp3lIfc97QRauUFA&s=19
I'll be interested to see how Roddy O'Gorman responds to the Islam boys instead of the soft target Catholics.
Before we get too into it, my own stance is that the whole lot of sex education, straight or not should probably be left to parents (although it's usually the pals who shatter the illusion well before that) until the child leaves primary school. The rest of the stuff can be dealt with when they're a bit more mature and it's mildly feasible that they might actually get a ride somewhere. I've also always found it absurd that the 6th class sex talk back in the day was given by nuns. Edit: I've two 7 year olds and they understand that men can marry men if they want because they asked me. It shouldn't be so contentious at all really.
Anyway that's all I've to say about the argument in itself, I'm just looking forward to the govt response to the Muslim council
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Quote from: astfgyl on March 08, 2023, 05:16:07 PMhttps://twitter.com/IrishMuslimCoun/status/1633205015572561926?t=3-YUaiXp3lIfc97QRauUFA&s=19
I'll be interested to see how Roddy O'Gorman responds to the Islam boys instead of the soft target Catholics.
Before we get too into it, my own stance is that the whole lot of sex education, straight or not should probably be left to parents (although it's usually the pals who shatter the illusion well before that) until the child leaves primary school. The rest of the stuff can be dealt with when they're a bit more mature and it's mildly feasible that they might actually get a ride somewhere. I've also always found it absurd that the 6th class sex talk back in the day was given by nuns. Edit: I've two 7 year olds and they understand that men can marry men if they want because they asked me. It shouldn't be so contentious at all really.
Anyway that's all I've to say about the argument in itself, I'm just looking forward to the govt response to the Muslim council
Re the sex education. There has to be some type of it in school. Around 12 to 14 should be the age imo. Lots of parents just dont do it. We hadn't a fucking clue in our school back in the day. And with the advent of porn i think you have to have it. As too many kids think that's what sex is.
The porn argument is fair but we had torn up dirty magazines back in my day as well and we turned out... Oh forget that
Around 12 to 14 sounds fair
There has been sex education in schools since the 80s. The only issue I've heard about is promoting the five million genders that were invented since 2010. Maybe I missed something.
Quote from: hellfire on March 09, 2023, 10:31:49 AMThere has been sex education in schools since the 80s. The only issue I've heard about is promoting the five million genders that were invented since 2010. Maybe I missed something.
Yeah I got the talk from the nuns in 6th class but I was under the impression that had since been pushed out to the secondary schools. There's also a consent or opt out form for that so it's a bit of a non issue if the that's the case anyway.
Conversation with the 7 year old went something like this:
Dad, why are those boys kissing each other?
Because sometimes men fall in love with men.
Oh, okay.
The part of this particular story that makes me laugh is the hoops that the Catholic nationalists are having to jump through now that the Muslim council is on their side on this issue.
It also probably nicely distracts us all from other things too, like TDs declaring houses they'd forgotten or something similar
Was out having a Chinese last night and noticed there were no foreigners having dinner there, only Irish.
The irony. I must tell all my nationalist friends to get down the Chinese if they want to be surrounded by Irish.
Seriously, ne'er a polski or black or middle eastern or Indian to be found in there. No Chinese either unless they worked there. Mad thing to notice the Irishness of the local Chinese restaurant.
Was going to the random thread with this but I suppose this is where the arguments are to be had.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 12, 2023, 10:24:00 PMWas out having a Chinese last night and noticed there were no foreigners having dinner there, only Irish.
The irony. I must tell all my nationalist friends to get down the Chinese if they want to be surrounded by Irish.
:laugh: :laugh:
You could try sell that to Tommy Tiernan, I hear he has some space to fill in his set :laugh:
Couldn't fucking make it up seriously.
Between that and the Islam council coming out in support of the Catholic nationalists view on LGBT this week it has truly been peak irony season
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 12, 2023, 10:34:58 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 12, 2023, 10:24:00 PMWas out having a Chinese last night and noticed there were no foreigners having dinner there, only Irish.
The irony. I must tell all my nationalist friends to get down the Chinese if they want to be surrounded by Irish.
:laugh: :laugh:
You could try sell that to Tommy Tiernan, I hear he has some space to fill in his set :laugh:
Apparently Tommy has just filled that space by interviewing a millionaire Ukrainian model about why she had to flee to Ireland and leave the parents behind and seemingly that's the latest thing to get people's knickers in a twist.
Great to be distracted all the time.
The latest statementfrom the EU (https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-41093260.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) would seem to indicate that the current age of bolloxology is drawing to a close.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 12, 2023, 10:45:54 PMGreat to be distracted all the time.
It's all just a constant distraction at this stage.
Quote from: hellfire on March 15, 2023, 10:49:57 AMThe latest statementfrom the EU (https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-41093260.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) would seem to indicate that the current age of bolloxology is drawing to a close.
It looks so but I doubt the lads here will have the will or ability to properly carry it out in a fair and quick manner.
Quote from: jobrok1 on March 15, 2023, 12:18:38 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 12, 2023, 10:45:54 PMGreat to be distracted all the time.
It's all just a constant distraction at this stage.
Yeah I'm trying to tune out as much as possible despite the protestations of the national media, who would rather I think about Enoch Burke or Paul Murphy's non binary baby then something consequential like most of the government suddenly remembering they bought houses and then keeping the rules in the favour of landlords pricing people out of a place to live at the same time as not being able to buy a house because there aren't enough to make it feasible for at least half the people who would be looking for one.
But anyway, here's Enoch standing back outside the school for our kicks
This dude got cancelled for using the word 'nips' (for anyone who doesn't watch docs about WW2, an out-of-date slur for Japanese during the war) in front of a half Korean woman on the radjo. While referring to mini bottles of booze and non-Japanese person Mila Kunis. Ha ha, it's so fucking retarded, and these arch-retards at The Hill give it both barrels.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3915244-espn-blasts-ethnic-slur-directed-at-mina-kimes/amp/
He didn't use the word nips. Watch here:
https://twitter.com/davecullinane/status/1638539039593705472?s=20
They were having an on-air discussion about their "top 5 nips", in the meaning of miniature bottles of drink (this is why Skrewball whiskey is mentioned). The guy who has been "cancelled" then interrupts with his "I'd probably go Mina Kimes..." signalling his comic interpretation of "top 5 nips" is to instead list his top 5 hottest women of Asian descent, which is why the other guy giggles; the joke is evident, and has absolutely nothing to do with Mila Kunis; that was him trying to squirm his way out of it afterwards by saying he wasn't using the racist meaning of the word, but rather talking about nipples.
Edit : Once again, fuck thon.
Hey, at least we both agree it's retarded! :laugh: I went on Twitter the other day, saw Mila Kunis (easily one of my all time top 5 screen beauties) was trending, so went to see why, and voilà; a whole load of retardedness. As per usual, I don't think the guy should be "cancelled" over it (I don't know or really care what actual fallout he's facing), but the whole Kunis angle seems ridiculous to me, especially since his co-host, or whoever, got the joke immediately on the basis of him having said "Mina Kimes". Or did one guy mean to say Mila Kunis and the other guy also misheard Mila Kunis and that's why he laughed, even though there's no longer any real joke there unless the name stated is someone who is famous for showing their "nips", which (perhaps to the dismay of some!) Kunis is not? That stretch is an enormous demand on credulity. Maybe this guy and Scott Adams will start their own wildly successful radio show for the tragi-comically "misunderstood" together!
In Scotland a nip is a short, as in a 'dram'. Yer one is half Korean, the joke was so dumb either way, the pretend shock horror, ah here good jaysus it would all have you reaching for a a nip or two just to blot it out.
My old landlord, when ever it was cold would say it's a bit pearl harbour....(there's a nip in the air)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 26, 2023, 12:21:09 PMIn Scotland a nip is a short, as in a 'dram'.
Haha, okay, but where does Scotland come into this? In the US also, a "nip" is a mini-bar style bottle of alcohol.
New neighbours have invited us round for some kind of Sunday afternoon snack/play-date with their kid. Whether I'm offered a nip or not will be the deciding factor in whether we ever accept again! :laugh:
Nippy for contrary too, I'm unsure if it's related to Japanese people having short tempers or not. Hope so :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 26, 2023, 01:37:24 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on March 26, 2023, 12:21:09 PMIn Scotland a nip is a short, as in a 'dram'.
Haha, okay, but where does Scotland come into this? In the US also, a "nip" is a mini-bar style bottle of alcohol.
New neighbours have invited us round for some kind of Sunday afternoon snack/play-date with their kid. Whether I'm offered a nip or not will be the deciding factor in whether we ever accept again! :laugh:
Human trafficking is wrong. Don't let them offer you a nip
I take it the word nip comes from Nippon which is Japanese for Japan?
I think that's what it was too but I suppose it's become accepted as a derogatory term in public
Quote from: astfgyl on March 27, 2023, 02:31:13 PMI suppose it's become accepted as a derogatory term in public
It started life, as Kev said, in warfare against the Japanese so it's
always been a derogatory slur. And yer wan Mina Kimes being half Korean rather than Japanese doesn't change anything. It's not like if someone calls an Indian a 'paki', which happens a lot, it can't be offensive cos it's geographically inaccurate. Sure even 'spic' is originally a US slur for Latin Americans, not for people from Spain, but that's how I first heard it as a kid used against the Spanish students and the pejorative intent couldn't have been any clearer. Anyway, yer man Chris Curtis only got suspended for a week, probably less than he'd have gotten if he'd said cunt or fuck on air during the day, and if he'd done that there'd be no discussion about it; we all just accept that there's things you can and can't say in certain places, and that's all this is too.
Yeah the point I was making was that he should know his audience in today's climate. Maybe we can claim it as a term of endearment for the future but it's too late for whoever he is
Today's climate? See, this is part of the whole bullshit "culture war", "rah wokeness gone mad!" problem. I don't think racial slurs on daytime commercial radio have passed uncriticized for about the last 40-50 years or so. Case in point:
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/08/25/Talk-show-host-quits-over-racial-word/3333462254400/
Would the same logic be applied to the Jerries then?
Whoops, wrong thread.
Kellie Harrington is getting the cancel culture thing at the moment. Over a deleted tweet she made in October. Some subterranean news reporter decided to make a thing about it. The whole modern leftism thing really is just about making yourself feel better by dragging down others. She's an Olympic gold medalist. An achievement that far outweighs anything you will ever achieve.
Not sure where was best to put this, but an interesting development in the incredible Burke family saga
"Mr Burke has issued subpoenas against three senior members of the Church of Ireland in an effort to compel them to give evidence in the action. Mr Burke said he had personally served the subpoenas against the Right Reverend Ferran Glenfield, the Bishop of Kilmore, Elphin and Ardagh, the Most Rev Patricia Storey, the Bishop of Meath and Kildare and the Rev Canon Alastair Graham."
Getting the senior COI figures into court as means to justify his actions, which are essentially considered discriminatory, is a spicy meatball.
Quote from: hellfire on March 28, 2023, 09:35:14 AMKellie Harrington is getting the cancel culture thing at the moment. Over a deleted tweet she made in October. Some subterranean news reporter decided to make a thing about it. The whole modern leftism thing really is just about making yourself feel better by dragging down others. She's an Olympic gold medalist. An achievement that far outweighs anything you will ever achieve.
Damn that interview is painful to watch, I think whichever side you take; I wanted the ground to open up and swallow both of them :laugh:
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1640419664496050176
Posting later with a cool head (and presumably a PR agent breathing down her neck), she says all she needed to have said to move on: I retweeted some false information related to a tragic and emotional story and deleted it as soon as I found out the information was false.
https://twitter.com/Kelly64kg/status/1640475577156083722
The tweet/video she originally shared was from GBNews, no less. I guess if you sow "subterranean news reporters" that's what you reap!
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1582099926724796416
In that car-crash interview with Off The Ball there, Harrington (being interviewed as a brand ambassador for Spar) got off on the worst PR foot imaginable with her "I switched off there when you said diversity in the inner city"! Unless you're either an Olympian at fast-talk follow ups or you've decided to take whatever the consequences and state what you really think, then you don't tell a journalist that one of their questions made you "switch off", no more than that journalist would step into a ring and tell Kellie he thinks women can't punch unless he was prepared to get the head bate off him :laugh:
Got an email from my young lads teacher there saying they are having a 'celebration of diversity' at school on Thursday. He's half Irish half polish but not that kind of diversity, obviously.
Send him in with a big bag of Tyskie to represent all his diversity in one go! :laugh:
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Good man :laugh:
:laugh:
https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/guy-pearce-issues-apology-after-tweets-about-cisgender-actors-playing-trans-roles-i-have-a-full-house-of-privilege-42408950.html
The debate rages on, I see. There's sort of a point to it I suppose, like getting white folk to play black people or vice versa.
Or like getting a man to play a woman.....
Happy transgender day of visibility to all forum members who celebrate! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on March 30, 2023, 05:29:26 PMhttps://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/guy-pearce-issues-apology-after-tweets-about-cisgender-actors-playing-trans-roles-i-have-a-full-house-of-privilege-42408950.html
The debate rages on, I see. There's sort of a point to it I suppose, like getting white folk to play black people or vice versa.
Or like getting a man to play a woman.....
Maybe they could change the name from acting then as well.
Yeah it's fairly fuckin stupid
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html
Imagine that! :laugh: :laugh:
Pity it doesn't also mention the tenor of the majority of those mails. Tbh, I don't know whether it's more likely to be mostly trans defenders or critics.
Ah stop missing the point on purpose
Ah yeah, I get the point it's ridiculous that people, for whatever reason, care more about this than care about others facing the threat of evictions. Sorry, had smoked, that was more mind wandering than anything :-X
Deed tis grand. You're probably right that a fair percentage of the emails are not in support of the trans issue. The eviction ban lifting is probably going to cause trouble going forward if any of the newly emptied properties are rented by foreign nationals even if they pay fair and square with their wages from working here it'll be fair fodder for the protest crowd. Dunno if an eviction ban would ever have worked really because there would always have to be an end to it at some stage. Tough one
https://m.independent.ie/business/media/kellie-harrington-fallout-shows-sponsors-need-to-address-stars-who-go-off-script-42413180.html
Well go on, someone defend this madness
How about the Dalai Lama? I'm hearing in some cultures it's normal to ask a child to suck your tongue...
Aye...in Peadoland.
Was reading a bit about this earlier. Apparently sticking out your tongue is a thing in Tubetan culture, asking a child to suck it is not. It's being played as a joke, more likely he's going senile. They're not gonna critise their 'living god'.
Clip that has gone most viral cuts off at the point where he's closest to the child's face, omitting where he pulls it away. I've mainly seen that clip shared by arch-conservative sources, many explicitly mobilizing it to discredit the Dalai Lama's critique of Trump a couple years back. The reality could easily be either "man raised entire life to be a weirdo has weird but innocent senile moment" or "monk lets slip in public abusive behavior that is rife behind closed doors." Neither would surprise me, but with no way of knowing, I won't be throwing up my arms one way or the other.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 11, 2023, 02:54:53 PMClip that has gone most viral cuts off at the point where he's closest to the child's face, omitting where he pulls it away. I've mainly seen that clip shared by arch-conservative sources, many explicitly mobilizing it to discredit the Dalai Lama's critique of Trump a couple years back. The reality could easily be either "man raised entire life to be a weirdo has weird but innocent senile moment" or "monk lets slip in public abusive behavior that is rife behind closed doors." Neither would surprise me, but with no way of knowing, I won't be throwing up my arms one way or the other.
I watched the full clip because I noticed the clipping on the first one I came across. The full clip looks no better tbf. Maybe he was only bollixing but the poor kid looked awful confused.
Have seen it said it's a thing to stick the tongue out there, I know SFA about the culture tbf
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/bud-light-suffers-bloodbath-longtime-loyal-consumers-revolt-transgender-campaign
Looks to be going bad for bud light. An odd choice of ambassador really. Probably should've studied their audience. Tbf I don't give a shit who promotes what but mulvaney might have been better suited to something else, cocktails or something
Dylan is certainly raking in the cash. I'm sure this act of his is all a big parody and joke that has just ran and ran.
There's a diversity and inclusivity index score for companies and having a trans ambassador is worth a few points. I think that's the basic thing with it but they just picked the wrong person for that particular brand
This endless Mardi Gras must be getting tedious, even for the gay contingent... fucking hell.
Most gays are embarrassed by it.
Brother in law is gay and thinks it's all a load of commercial driven shite
One of the sisters friends is a shirtlifter and he is mortified by the whole thing. he hates being lumped in with trannys and recons its only a matter of time before the paedos, or "MAPs" if you will, are being paraded around as misunderstood victims and whole thing blows up in their faces.
The LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ pedestrian crossing in Roscommon town was the final straw for him.
He's thinking of going straight...
The wife is from Santiago de Compostela, an ancient city of not little religious and historical significance. The last time we went up there I was aghast to see the old sign welcoming the weary traveller into the city had been replaced by a big rainbow monstrosity, and the pedestrian crossings had all been painted after a similar fashion. I did overreact a bit when I saw the signage (banging the steering wheel, wife rolling her eyes etc) but FFS!
Being gay is fine now, (almost)everyone agrees, but do these people have to be defined by their sexuality? And do the non-conformists have to have it shoved down our throats? It's quite patronising, and it's fag hags, sweetie wives and globalist ghouls who are to blame, not the gays themselves. Just fuck off with that shite.
In order to understand this better you have to accept that almost none of this shit is driven by gay people. It's the equivalent of displaying religious imagery to show how devout you are. Gay people just happen to be one of the protected groups used to remind us all of how evil and intolerant we are. The Level of acceptance of homosexuality in present day Ireland has pretty much maxed out. Full legal and social acceptance has been achieved.
That's why you see trans people more and more in the latest round of "progress". They will remain a victim group perpetually. I'm curious about how long it will take before the L,G & B unhitch their wagon from the T? They represent a lunatic fringe which the rest surely find embarrassing. Very little in common either. To quote one researcher who's been working on gender identity since the 70s "I don't know how they managed to pin the gender identity tail on the sexual preference donkey."
Dont think they'll be unhitched any time soon. Many of my gay friends have total support for trans rights as they see parallels with the abuse they suffered over the years (these would be older lads who got dogs abuse years ago, 1 or 2 moved to england to escape it, but that was the 80's).
I still dont get the furore over it. I've met about 3 to 4 trans people in my life. Each to their own.
I've only met a handful as well and haven't given them any shit whatsoever but by god does it dominate the online world of late.
Fair point about the gay support but again in speaking to the brother in law about any of it he just laughs and says ignore that shit. The only two aspects of the life that he seems to be into is the bumming and the hard drugs. Other than that you wouldn't know. Refreshing to meet lads that are defined by their personalities rather than simply their sexual preferences and tbf most gay lads I know are like that.
Hard for the trans to not be defined by the fact they're trans though I guess
Actually I was doing the inclusivity learning at work today (because we have to be told to be sound these days apparently) but one of the main points was not to focus on minorities but only to treat them the same as everyone else. So if lads are constantly roaring about how straight they are for example I can throw them into the same bucket as lads who can't stop banging on about being queer and folks who can't stop banging on about being trans.
Just grow a personality lads
Quote from: astfgyl on April 13, 2023, 05:18:35 PMI've only met a handful as well and haven't given them any shit whatsoever but by god does it dominate the online world of late.
Fair point about the gay support but again in speaking to the brother in law about any of it he just laughs and says ignore that shit. The only two aspects of the life that he seems to be into is the bumming and the hard drugs. Other than that you wouldn't know. Refreshing to meet lads that are defined by their personalities rather than simply their sexual preferences and tbf most gay lads I know are like that.
Hard for the trans to not be defined by the fact they're trans though I guess
It does dominate online. And like most online things I ignore it. It's not representative of the real world imo. Just various gobshytes trying to sound whatever.
I'd say for gay people it did define them for years because of abuse they would have got so they'd band together and own it. Or something. Thankfully that has mostly changed. And there is a cohort that loved their hard drugs lol.
Yeah the general oppression certainly brought them together but now they're mostly back mingling because no-one cares about it. Good, I'm glad to see it. Haven't cared if someone was or wasn't since my school days and yeah tbf it was me who had to grow up on that one. Most of the time.
I have a train of thought a lot of the time that the worst thing we could do for the trans crowd would be give them total acceptance and their own sports category.
What the fuck would they be railing against then?
The hierarchy of victimhood would shift you'd imagine.
Like most lads, I couldn't give a fuck if people want to 'identify' as whatever they want. The other 99.999% of the population shouldn't be forced to adopt or abandon speech or behaviours as a result. These activist cunts want to enforce tyranny. A mild form of tyranny, not like a Stalinist job, but tyranny nonetheless.
The inevitable response to tyranny is resistance which is now cleverly countered as being 'hate'.
That's another thing, the word 'hate'. Hate is a very strong word. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that I hate. Can yous? Yet any form of resistence to leftist social issues is 'hate' or 'hate speech' or worse, 'violence' without hater and hatee ever coming into physical contact.
They've taken so many words and repurposed them. Violence is another one. An act of "actual violence" can mean upsetting someone on Twitter.
Quote from: hellfire on April 14, 2023, 12:51:10 PMThey've taken so many words and repurposed them. Violence is another one. An act of "actual violence" can mean upsetting someone on Twitter.
I've seen more than one idiot claim that "silence is violence", and then later claim "words are violence".
So what qualifies as non-violence? A unintelligible murmuring?
They are merely prolonging a fine tradition of language abuse as a means of wresting power which is eons old and which, until recently, they were more victims than perpetrators of. It's like you have to laugh when Douglas Murray condescendingly said of the BLM riots, "Where are the adults?" And then you recall that just a few short decades ago the people he considers "adults" were passing off mythology for fact and killing, imprisoning, castrating, etc., fuckers for it. Small change if some cunt on Twitter is told he's committing an act of violence; for many people still today, if you stick the wrong lump of flesh in your mouth, you're committing violence against god and/or nature.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 14, 2023, 03:59:11 PMfor many people still today, if you stick the wrong lump of flesh in your mouth, you're committing violence against god and/or nature.
Muslims, for the most part. Not sure if you mean halal or mickeys but both are pertinent.
:laugh:
Muslims, yes, and the vast majority of bible belt evangelicals, Mormons, orthodox Jews, etc. "For the most part" will very much depend on where you are. In the US, "for the most part" is not Muslims, for example. Stick a gay character in a TV show unexpectedly, "for the most part" it won't be Muslims crying "Woke!"
Yeah because they'd be saying 'faggot' or worse.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 14, 2023, 04:34:24 PMMuslims, yes, and the vast majority of bible belt evangelicals, Mormons, orthodox Jews, etc. "For the most part" will very much depend on where you are. In the US, "for the most part" is not Muslims, for example. Stick a gay character in a TV show unexpectedly, "for the most part" it won't be Muslims crying "Woke!"
What happens when they're on the telly in Saudi Arabia though?
https://nypost.com/2023/04/13/conservative-dad-has-ultra-right-beer-amid-bud-light-dylan-mulvaney/
Values?
Capitalism.
Re: The Dalai Lama thing: an alternative perspective presenting it as cultural/linguistic confusion:
https://www.elephantjournal.com/2023/04/the-tibetan-meaning-of-eat-my-tongue-dalai-lama/
(Full disclosure: I haven't watched the video - I'm too tired/pissed at present to take it in properly.)
https://reports.hrc.org/corporate-equality-index-2022?_ga=2.209484306.1654585067.1680806838-1276787822.1680719476#equality-fortune-companies
Here's that index thing I was on about
MAGA/anti-vax/everything is a conspiracy crowd doing themselves proud this weekend:
https://twitter.com/sandraschulze/status/1647128409972305926?s=20
#mayoforsurfacetoairmissiles
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
So, Mayo for Sam is seen as an anti-Brit chant around the World.
Fuckin yes!!!! Mayo for Sam!!!!
:laugh:
Like Let's Go Brandon!
Just having a look at the new hate speech (etc) bill. You could, when this becomes law, end up in court for denying 'crimes against peace'. This is fucking lunacy.
The British bombed German cities targeting civilians (Mönchengladbach) several months before the blitz. So, therefore, if one were to disagree with that, you'd be trivialising or denying a 'crime against peace'?
A Serb or Croat might disagree wholeheartedly that Srebrnica or Jasanovica were attempts at genocide, but they could end up in the cells for voicing such an opinion.
This is back of a fag package thinking, as usual, and anyone capable of a bit of critical thinking can see the dangers of this madness.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 03, 2023, 12:40:40 PMJust having a look at the new hate speech (etc) bill. You could, when this becomes law, end up in court for denying 'crimes against peace'. This is fucking lunacy.
The British bombed German cities targeting civilians (Mönchengladbach) several months before the blitz. So, therefore, if one were to disagree with that, you'd be trivialising or denying a 'crime against peace'?
A Serb or Croat might disagree wholeheartedly that Srebrnica or Jasanovica were attempts at genocide, but they could end up in the cells for voicing such an opinion.
This is back of a fag package thinking, as usual, and anyone capable of a bit of critical thinking can see the dangers of this madness.
Yep. going over it the last few evenings myself, complete totalitarian lunacy.
In the Rep. of Ireland now one is presumed guilty by the state and the burden is on the accused to prove their innocence.
These motherfuckers will get theirs yet. (Oh golly, did I just do a hate speech)
I must get a read of this. It sounds ominous.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 03, 2023, 01:56:26 PMI must get a read of this. It sounds ominous.
Latest draft here: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2022/105/
On skimming the bill, I'm left wondering could it lead to a legal lacuna in pitting religious protected characteristics against gender related protected characteristics. I'm sure the Burke family will probably take the opportunity to put it through the legal rigors.
Never mind shifting the burden of proof from the state to the individual. If there is no move away from all this suppression violence will be next. They need to suppress public discourse of their lunatic policies. None of the muck they're peddling stands up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.
Gaslighting on a massive scale.
Wasn't the Easter Rising a 'crime against peace'? The Iraq war? The invasion of Grenada?
It's non time specific, so technically, you could make a comment about the Egyptians hassling the Jews, Herod's massacre of the innocents. That didn't happen though did it? Hi you're denying genocide, get in the jail.
Fucking idiots.
Look inciting violence against people should be a crime. But criminalizing views, no matter how stupid they are is Orwellian and should not be tolerated. People say stupid fuckin shit, but bringing them to court over it is a total waste of time and money.
Like saying the holocaust didnt happen is wrong but wasting court time on that is ridiculous. But saying Jews should be killed. I have no problem with someone getting arrested for shyte like that.
Years ago if someone said something stupid I think most people would ignore it and move on. But today they're all offended. It's boring tbh.
Quote from: stearl on May 03, 2023, 04:20:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 03, 2023, 01:56:26 PMI must get a read of this. It sounds ominous.
Latest draft here: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2022/105/
On skimming the bill, I'm left wondering could it lead to a legal lacuna in pitting religious protected characteristics against gender related protected characteristics. I'm sure the Burke family will probably take the opportunity to put it through the legal rigors.
Guaranteed when the bill passes the Burkes will file a ton of suits. A field day lol.
Section there reads -
Damaging property aggravated by hatred
2A. (1) A person shall be guilty of an offence under this section if he or she
commits an offence under section 2 which is aggravated by hatred for
the purposes of this section.
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That's gas in light of the video doing the rounds of that single catholic woman's house been attacked in Lurgan
Drew Harris's RUC comrades have ao far done nothing about that.
Had a skim of it this evening.
Not a hope it will stick.
None of it.
Load of bollix and we can carry on the finest.
Pure joke of an attempt at censorship of dissent that both left and right leaning folk will reject as quick as those in the centre.
It's not up for debate. 73% of people who were consulted didn't want it. It is plowing ahead anyway
It's pure lunacy some of it there. I do cynically wonder if half the idea of this legislation is just deterrent, to silence. Prosecution would be ruinous even if unsuccessful.
Climate change discussion will be categorised as climate change denial and legislated like holocaust denial which is looking more and more likely now :laugh:
While Ireland ships wood chips from Brazil ;D
Quote from: The Butcher on May 05, 2023, 11:39:50 PMClimate change discussion will be categorised as climate change denial and legislated like holocaust denial which is looking more and more likely now :laugh:
While Ireland ships wood chips from Brazil ;D
I watched a project Veritas (I know) video about 2 years ago where some bird stung some gimp working for NBC news or similar and he was talking about how if you think the covid coverage was bad that you basically ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to the climate change agenda. I believed it then and fucking hell is it coming to pass. Whether you agree with the agenda or not is not the point and I'm all for greening but fuck this level of push is unprecedented.
Also most of it is a money scam of the highest order that will do fuck all only line pockets and create a whole new serf class.
https://twitter.com/JRD0000/status/1501744596312895489?t=FcWpMxJz1-o9E7Xz_k1Gtg&s=19
Saying the not even quiet unless you're a right fuckin eejit altogether part out loud.
I know there's folks on the left and right and learning towards the centre or the extreme here to varying degrees so my questions to you all are:
Can any of you even attempt to justify this proposed legislation?
Is there anyone who doesn't see what way the wind is blowing here?
Yes it's a short clip and blah blah blah (thinking of you Shep! But I think even you won't be able to justify this one!) minor technicalities abound etc let's not waste time on that and no I don't support the IFP either because they are another extreme reaction to the extreme and that's never the answer but fucking hell with this lark.
On the plus side I gave 10 mins thinking about it earlier and not a chance any of it will ever legally stick other than by consent and it will crumble at the first minor legal challenge but the fact that all govt and major opposition parties are up for this should be cause to never vote for a single one ever again regardless if they got your brother a house with the council or got your mother the widow's pension or whatever stroke they pulled for your family.
Fuck em all. And then fuck em again. And if you support it, fuck you too and anyone who agrees with you.
Never mind that prick you should be smart enough to see this one without his taken out of context or not bullshit
I promised myself like many others on here that I would not post about this stuff anymore as it just isn't worth the headache that comes with it but most people in the country aren't even aware of what is going on with this bill as it is basically getting no coverage from the mainstream media which is the problem and people are also more interested in who is playing in the Champions League tonight.
Here is a short video that goes into the bill in a bit of detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfzlEJ8Qnxc
If this bill passes along with the 'housing for all referendum' that people have warned about for the last 2 years which is expected to happen towards the end of the year then Ireland is heading into a very dark place.
Here is a petition that anyone even remotely interested should sign (I know for the most part these aren't worth a fuck but it takes 2 seconds to sign it)
https://www.change.org/p/we-the-people-demand-a-supreme-court-referral-of-the-radical-hate-speech-bill
Also protests are due to take place all over the country on May 20th but I have no doubt most people will find one excuse or another not to bother going.
As one of the biggest pieces of shit to have ever existed said "Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, so why would we let them have ideas?"
That last quote is basically the spirit of the new legislation in a sentence.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 11, 2023, 10:02:01 PMhttps://twitter.com/JRD0000/status/1501744596312895489?t=FcWpMxJz1-o9E7Xz_k1Gtg&s=19
Saying the not even quiet unless you're a right fuckin eejit altogether part out loud.
I know there's folks on the left and right and learning towards the centre or the extreme here to varying degrees so my questions to you all are:
Can any of you even attempt to justify this proposed legislation?
Is there anyone who doesn't see what way the wind is blowing here?
Yes it's a short clip and blah blah blah (thinking of you Shep! But I think even you won't be able to justify this one!) minor technicalities abound etc let's not waste time on that and no I don't support the IFP either because they are another extreme reaction to the extreme and that's never the answer but fucking hell with this lark.
On the plus side I gave 10 mins thinking about it earlier and not a chance any of it will ever legally stick other than by consent and it will crumble at the first minor legal challenge but the fact that all govt and major opposition parties are up for this should be cause to never vote for a single one ever again regardless if they got your brother a house with the council or got your mother the widow's pension or whatever stroke they pulled for your family.
Fuck em all. And then fuck em again.
I wholeheartedly agree with you boi. This law being the next stage in a clear pattern of changes that no one is asking for, especially at a time when there are real concerns and the things people are actually asking for seem to be falling on deaf ears all the while the govt is falling over themselves to accommodate their beloved NGOs.
All the TDs in my constituency voted in favour of this hate speech legislation so in my books they're gone, they're now my enemy.. simple as. Not that I had much faith in them to begin with but now I have universal contempt for every party up there. I have no problem with them disagreeing with me or vice versa but any bill with such poorly defined terms that aims to punish free expression is an automatic no no, it's not compatible with a free and sane society.
As for most people idsay they won't even grasp a surface level understanding of this. They hear the word 'hate' and assume daddy government is just trying to further bubble wrap their day to day lives against the fawr rysh. My brother was telling me he had a back and forth with a few of his mates on this and I'm only slightly paraphrasing from memory but one of em literally said "well like recently in this country things such as gay marriage, abortion and foreigners, if you speak to criticise them, since they're the accepted norm now well it should be hate speech". A totally retarded statement and she's a doctor. This is what you're up against, not only the cretins in the Dail but also the gowls in the street that just outsource their entire worldview to the state and RTE. Sorry but that's my rant done 😅
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1656722750201901056?t=R7phNxpnnL62usvsz3RsLA&s=19
So that's why they're called TRANSformers.
But seriously, stay the fuck away from my childhood you cunts.
Yep we're in serious trouble here.
It's not that hating people for what they are isn't wrong or anything, because I think that's childish too, but the fact that making legislation in opposition of same which is actually infantilism of the population at large is lost on basically everyone is a damning indictment of the world we live in.
Nobody wants to take the responsibility for themselves of standing up for the difference between right and wrong even when they watch wrong things happen all day and night every day and night.
Again I'll ask, does anyone from any facet of the uncut diamond that is the political spectrum think this proposed shite is grand and why so?⁵
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this
Quote from: Lunar blood on May 12, 2023, 12:05:17 AMQuote from: astfgyl on May 11, 2023, 10:02:01 PMhttps://twitter.com/JRD0000/status/1501744596312895489?t=FcWpMxJz1-o9E7Xz_k1Gtg&s=19
Saying the not even quiet unless you're a right fuckin eejit altogether part out loud.
I know there's folks on the left and right and learning towards the centre or the extreme here to varying degrees so my questions to you all are:
Can any of you even attempt to justify this proposed legislation?
Is there anyone who doesn't see what way the wind is blowing here?
Yes it's a short clip and blah blah blah (thinking of you Shep! But I think even you won't be able to justify this one!) minor technicalities abound etc let's not waste time on that and no I don't support the IFP either because they are another extreme reaction to the extreme and that's never the answer but fucking hell with this lark.
On the plus side I gave 10 mins thinking about it earlier and not a chance any of it will ever legally stick other than by consent and it will crumble at the first minor legal challenge but the fact that all govt and major opposition parties are up for this should be cause to never vote for a single one ever again regardless if they got your brother a house with the council or got your mother the widow's pension or whatever stroke they pulled for your family.
Fuck em all. And then fuck em again.
I wholeheartedly agree with you boi. This law being the next stage in a clear pattern of changes that no one is asking for, especially at a time when there are real concerns and the things people are actually asking for seem to be falling on deaf ears all the while the govt is falling over themselves to accommodate their beloved NGOs.
All the TDs in my constituency voted in favour of this hate speech legislation so in my books they're gone, they're now my enemy.. simple as. Not that I had much faith in them to begin with but now I have universal contempt for every party up there. I have no problem with them disagreeing with me or vice versa but any bill with such poorly defined terms that aims to punish free expression is an automatic no no, it's not compatible with a free and sane society.
As for most people idsay they won't even grasp a surface level understanding of this. They hear the word 'hate' and assume daddy government is just trying to further bubble wrap their day to day lives against the fawr rysh. My brother was telling me he had a back and forth with a few of his mates on this and I'm only slightly paraphrasing from memory but one of em literally said "well like recently in this country things such as gay marriage, abortion and foreigners, if you speak to criticise them, since they're the accepted norm now well it should be hate speech". A totally retarded statement and she's a doctor. This is what you're up against, not only the cretins in the Dail but also the gowls in the street that just outsource their entire worldview to the state and RTE. Sorry but that's my rant done 😅
thought I was on Twitter, tried to like your post
Absolute madness.
The propaganda machine is now omnipresent, it's not so different to the machinery of mass surveillance and intolerance of dissent that we became aware of with the fall of the eastern bloc.
Only regime approved opinions and points of view are to be permitted, and punitive measures are to be taken against those who diverge. Sound familiar? A potential criminal record for voicing an opinion on, among other things, historical events, inviolable biological facts and the definition of the word 'genocide'.
The twisting and corruption of language in an utterly inorganic way, above all the word 'hate', frightening the shite out of lads to post anything even the slightest bit bold online and allowing our country to be even more beholden to outside forces than we were in 2008 is completely unforgivable. I haven't lived in Ireland for quite a number of years, but it'll always be me home but my plans to return there in the future are now in serious doubt, not only because of this but myriad other factors like where the fuck would I live. Fuck these cunts.
Stand with Ukraine, it's the woman's choice, men can have periods, the middle passage was a genocide, Hamza YOUSEF is as Scottish as tennents and salty porridge. I don't agree with any of that but I don't mind anyone else having those opinions, in fact it's to be welcomed. These cunts want to criminalise non-state sanctioned talking points. Fuck off.
Martin and Varadker gave the GAA a bit of lip during the week about the GAAGO bullshit, but it's just the slimy, greasy wankers seeing which way the wind was blowing. Hängt ihr drauf und dran!!
That FF TD video (from over a year ago) was about this:
https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2022/March/ireland-to-opt-in-to-eu-wide-hate-speech-ban
Not exactly the same thing as the bill, though clearly related. I'm not really bothered one way or the other by a spat between a nobody FF TD (who I see has since got himself in trouble for non declaration of assets :laugh: ) and the IFP tbh though.
Ah yeah the IFP can fuck off and all
Here chomp on something light-heartedly ludicrous instead:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/11/irish-womens-obsession-with-fake-tan-is-problematic/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 12, 2023, 07:47:25 AMHere chomp on something light-heartedly ludicrous instead:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/11/irish-womens-obsession-with-fake-tan-is-problematic/
"To me, fake tan represents more than just an innocuous cosmetic choice; it raises questions of cultural appropriation and fetishisation of the high melanin content found in more pigmented people."
Surely it's satire? :-\
I fear it isn't, not these days.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 12, 2023, 08:02:31 AMI fear it isn't, not these days.
Too true. :abbath:
If one wanted to be really shrill, could it be argued that fake tan is another variation on blackface? Might keep that in my notes for when my daughter is a teenager :P
Or if black women get their afros changed. The Chinese boys might have a case for 'cultural appropriation' :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 12, 2023, 07:47:25 AMHere chomp on something light-heartedly ludicrous instead:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/11/irish-womens-obsession-with-fake-tan-is-problematic/
Saw that on Twitter. Cultural appropriation no less! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: stearl on May 12, 2023, 07:54:25 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 12, 2023, 07:47:25 AMHere chomp on something light-heartedly ludicrous instead:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/11/irish-womens-obsession-with-fake-tan-is-problematic/
"To me, fake tan represents more than just an innocuous cosmetic choice; it raises questions of cultural appropriation and fetishisation of the high melanin content found in more pigmented people."
Surely it's satire? :-\
Perhaps a hoax satire, as it turns out:
QuoteThe text of this article has been removed pending checks.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 12, 2023, 05:42:15 PMQuote from: stearl on May 12, 2023, 07:54:25 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 12, 2023, 07:47:25 AMHere chomp on something light-heartedly ludicrous instead:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/11/irish-womens-obsession-with-fake-tan-is-problematic/
"To me, fake tan represents more than just an innocuous cosmetic choice; it raises questions of cultural appropriation and fetishisation of the high melanin content found in more pigmented people."
Surely it's satire? :-\
Perhaps a hoax satire, as it turns out:
QuoteThe text of this article has been removed pending checks.
Ha.
It made Newstalk radio this afternoon. They had a caller who described himself as extremely liberal (it wasn't you was it? ;) ), and even he suggested the article went too far and fed into the hands of the so called far-right/culture wars etc. in undermining progressive/liberal causes.
Would be gas if it was gaslighting.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 12, 2023, 07:47:25 AMHere chomp on something light-heartedly ludicrous instead:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/11/irish-womens-obsession-with-fake-tan-is-problematic/
Well done to the Irish Times, they actually managed to find someone who refers to themselves as Latinx, though I suppose the blue hair made their search easier. ;D
Edit: It's now been removed, because her picture appears to have been an AI creation. Beginning to look like someone played a joke on the Irish Times.
There's going to be world war three on Pearse Street in less than 15 minutes. I wish I could blame the sub communist scum who will be partaking, but the right are just as bad in this case.
'Fetishisation of the high melanin content found in more pigmented people'
That's such a ridiculous thing to say, by any standard but there is so much similar drivel around that it's impossible to see the wood from the trees when it comes to these progressive talking points.
Who'd be a Garda Video of demonstration (https://twitter.com/PhilipDwyer_MOI/status/1657100316238544898)
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on May 12, 2023, 06:44:33 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 12, 2023, 07:47:25 AMHere chomp on something light-heartedly ludicrous instead:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/11/irish-womens-obsession-with-fake-tan-is-problematic/
Well done to the Irish Times, they actually managed to find someone who refers to themselves as Latinx, though I suppose the blue hair made their search easier. ;D
Edit: It's now been removed, because her picture appears to have been an AI creation. Beginning to look like someone played a joke on the Irish Times.
Indeed. The paper of record may need to brush up on their corroboration skills.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-times-removes-article-suggesting-fake-tan-is-racist-amid-suggestion-it-was-ai-generated/a289268428.html
And today, in the IT, Fintan O'Toole has an article about AI bullshit :laugh:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/05/13/fintan-otoole-bullshit-is-all-around-us-we-expect-to-hear-it-every-time-we-watch-or-listen-to-the-news/
(I haven't read beyond the header as it's behind the paywall.)
The hoax has been claimed at the source, although the real identity of the source is still unknown:
https://twitter.com/ecuadorian_adri/status/1657077563636740096
Quote from: hellfire on May 12, 2023, 07:48:26 PMThere's going to be world war three on Pearse Street in less than 15 minutes. I wish I could blame the sub communist scum who will be partaking, but the right are just as bad in this case.
"just as bad"
https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-protest-tents-sandwith-street-6066908-May2023/
Yeah no need for that lark. I think there are questions to be answered by govt as to why they operate an open door policy only to leave the migrants homeless when they get here. Then you have the likes of Paul Murphy coming out in support of what appears to be a convicted terrorist (I say appears because you'd never know these days) which only fans the flames of those who think they're righteous in their persecution of the migrants themselves rather than the policies that have them here like this.
The annoying part as I see it is that all this was flagged long ago when the policy on Ukrainians was adopted but the govt decided to go down the road of calling everyone the far right instead of addressing the concerns in any way shape or form. Ukrainian women and children very quickly became something else entirely but the govt stayed pretending it wasn't happening and didn't close the loopholes at all, thus leading to shit like this. "Ireland is full" isn't going to go away with situations like this but decent governance could have headed it off long ago.
Very poor indeed
Mate of mine who works around there says those flats and houses have been boarded up for at least 10 years now. No mystery at all about where the responsibility for housing crisis lies; the clues are everywhere.
Yeah I don't blame the migrants for it, we had a crisis in the making long before most of them arrived. Even now though the government could be smarter and try slow things down a bit in terms of arrivals at least for non EU nationals or speed up the asylum application process and send away the ones who don't qualify or even something radical like taking the argument away by offering the homeless Irish accommodation or something to ease the tensions or we'll end up like Sweden. Simply calling lads the far right even if some of them are won't do the trick here
If it wasn't just plain and simple racism behind it, they'd be starting fires in very different places, let's put it that way.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 13, 2023, 12:08:30 PMIf it wasn't just plain and simple racism behind it, they'd be starting fires in very different places, let's put it that way.
Thats a lazy analysis.
Amusing array of replies to this tweet from Gript's very own John McGuirk, in which he says the fires were a step too far:
https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1657154365226885123
Well the fires were a step too far. I doubt many would dispute that.
Feel free to do a quick tally among the replies there, then pop over to the rm.tv account and keep counting.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 13, 2023, 02:08:31 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 13, 2023, 12:08:30 PMIf it wasn't just plain and simple racism behind it, they'd be starting fires in very different places, let's put it that way.
Thats a lazy analysis.
It may be lazy alright but those fuckwits lighting fires are idiots. You don't like the policies then protest the government. Now some of them may have legitimate concerns re immigration but a lot of them are racist pricks anyway.
Here's my lazy analysis of Kristallnacht: racism was behind it.
But social conditions! The treaty of Versailles!
Yes, racism directed those social conditions to hostility towards those with no power instead of towards those with power.
The social conditions are a given. Racism is behind the direction the hostility is pointed.
If you can fill in the gaps for Kristallnacht, you can do it for last night's actions. Don't be so lazy.
It didn't turn out to be the bloodbath that some on Twitter had planned. There were plenty cheering on for the lads to be dragged off and beaten. One woman from Waterford announced that she had gotten a bottle of wine and a takeaway to enjoy with some live streamed violence. People who take such childish delight in violence have no idea what it is from either the perspective of someone on the giving or receiving end. It's like the way I still imagine gun violence to be a dot on someones forehead when the reality is far grimmer.
That said my fears were unfounded. The leftist clowns who showed up were in the humiliating position of having to negotiate their release through the Gardai, they got rid of the offending encampment and nobody got hurt. I'm nervous about those on the right who want to make these things physical. It will hand the leftist media what they need to make actual far-right boogeymen. Of course there was misreporting and selective camera angles all morning, but at least it wasn't true. The Gardai let the lads tear up the camp in exchange for allowing the lefty lads to leave safely. Burning the shit afterwards probably wasn't agreed on but at least the blaze didn't need the fire brigade.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 13, 2023, 03:12:06 PMHere's my lazy analysis of Kristallnacht: racism was behind it.
But social conditions! The treaty of Versailles!
Yes, racism directed those social conditions to hostility towards those with no power instead of towards those with power.
The social conditions are a given. Racism is behind the direction the hostility is pointed.
If you can fill in the gaps for Kristallnacht, you can do it for last night's actions. Don't be so lazy.
Anti-semitism and racism are not necessarily the same thing. So that's a lazy analogy to go with your previous gleeful, hand rubbing blaming of RACISM (dun dun dun!).
There is a serious supply and demand issue with nazis and racists and Prince Valiant and the knights of the problematic table here will jump on anything to try to fill the void. I don't really blame you, you're just towing the party line.
Burning tents and confronting terrified foreigners mob handed is clearly counter productive for the actors and traumatising for the migrants. It doesn't mean the motivation is as simple and knuckle dragging as the left make it out to be. History has shown that shoehorning DIVERSE groups of people together often results in conflict, often perennial and unending. Some cunts in positions of influence might read a book or repeat 'those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it' ten times before their night time glass of cocoa.
By the way, Kristallnacht happened in 1938, at a time when the German economy was booming and the Treaty of Versailles was de facto dismantled and ignored, a mere memory. Read a book!
Didn't say anti-Semitism and racism are "the same thing" though Nazi anti-Semitism was plainly racist so, yawn. And yawn to all your other hair splitting. Plain racism is the guiding force directing these actions, just as the SS roped civilians into aiding in Kristallnacht.
I think a lot of it is more dissatisfaction with the dissolution of the world these people grew up in, and their basic failure to deal with that coupled with their own lack of self worth must come out somehow and their anger must be directed somewhere and hey look there's brown people eating our bread so that must be the problem because it definitely isn't decades of being one of the most crooked little countries on earth at a governmental level, definitely nothing like that. We were all delighted taking the sham money during the Celtic Tiger years so we were - ah great times while the country was being run into the fucking ground but yknow what, we were alright Jack.
We all get nostalgic in our way.
But at the same time, some of it is legitimate. Some.
The us v them on all sides is not helping at all. We need to concentrate our efforts on the reptilian motherfuckers in charge of the whole fiasco rather than the actual humans looking to take advantage for a better life. The Irish are every bit as quick to fuck off to Australia and Canada as the Arabs are to come to Europe. Treating people like vermin for wanting better isn't great form.
Saying all that I still think there are legitimate concerns around immigration in this country that must be addressed before it's too late. They won't be addressed though and anyone who has anything to say other than welcome one and all will still be the far right. And the endless carousel of shite will continue to spin while the country becomes a mini England along the way because no-one spoke up reasonably and without demonising the immigrants.
There's fools, there's eejits and then there's the fuckin Irish. Handicapped cunts.
Hey sure let's set a few tents on fire that'll sort it eh. No no don't mind holding the government to account for their awful awful governance going back decades sure wasn't things fantastic when we had Bertie ahern etc etc and none of those dirty immigrants.
Lastly for now what's the craic with that terrorist lad swinging the metal bar around there the other day that's being supported by spastic Paul Murphy with the no gender baby? What a fuckin tool. Is the lad convicted of terrorism or not and if he is what the fuck is he doing here at all? See, legitimate concerns! Unless it turns out that's not even him which tbf is well possible :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 13, 2023, 02:57:35 PMFeel free to do a quick tally among the replies there, then pop over to the rm.tv account and keep counting.
Yeah but you're blocking the blue ticks, who were all in unison against it
:abbath:
"Nobody cares anymore if you're gay or not" or whatever the claim was.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/05/17/schoolboy-hospitalised-after-alleged-assault-in-navan-co-meath/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 17, 2023, 05:57:41 PM"Nobody cares anymore if you're gay or not" or whatever the claim was.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/05/17/schoolboy-hospitalised-after-alleged-assault-in-navan-co-meath/
Doesn't say anything in the article about anything really. I'm sure social media is all over it. Must remember not to bother checking it this evening
Don't be a spa. A teenager is in hospital having been attacked, punched and kicked round the head and face, for being gay by a group of several other lads, some visibly older, in Navan. The entire thing was filmed by a fellow antagonist who was also egging them on and this video has gone viral, as the article states.
Did you watch it?
How do you know it was because he was gay?
I heard of the story this morning by seeing the video, so yes I watched it.
Bad form. At least I'm having the decency to stick to videos of kids being beaten for any other reason like being fat or annoying or wearing glasses. You'd really want to watch the company you're keeping on social media.
It's very disturbing, pack of cowardly wankers assaulting one lad from all sides. They should get the same treatment the cunts.
But he looks like a bit of a mincer so it couldn't have been for any other reason than that, right? Because he looks gay so he must be and there can be no other possible motivation. It may very well be the case, but you have no idea one way or the other so maybe avoid jumping on it to score meaningless points for your team until you do.
It's stupid, lazy jumping the gun with no facts whatsoever like that that made people think Jussie Smollett got lynched by DA KLAN etc.
From what's going around, two of the lads are Muslim and their motivation to punish a homosexual stemmed from religious reasons (still obviously homophobia). Whether the very white scrotes who joined in were just little pricks who'd beat on anyone given half an excuse or also wanted a go at him for being different or whatever, that may be impossible to determine. The first one to slap him in the face is dark skinned so could easily be a Muslim migrant, but the first coward to lay proper heavy blows to the back of his head, so from behind just to prove himself even more of a craven cunt, looks very Irish.
Maybe, but that's just twitter shite, neither you thee nor me can know that for sure for now.
Regardless of the motivation, those little scumbags should be up in court and get fucking done with fines, community service and fucked out of that school. I watched it a few times earlier and it's infuriating. Imagine your own young lad being savaged like that, you'd be out with the golf club teeing off on the cunts.
I see the Irish independent are being very careful with throwing around the alleged homophobia slant, I wonder why :)
Yeah, it could well just be twitter shite. What we are seeing now, here in France too, is blame for "the majority" of homophobic attacks being placed on immigration. The Front National have been pushing it hard this week, trying to cast themselves in a caring (ha!) light around homophobia awareness day (which happens to be today), despite their recent history of fairly blatant homophobia. Apparently they prefer gay white French over straight brown immigrants. About half the tweets talking about this attack are hedged in anti-immigration rhetoric too. Even saw one head the ball trying to say the clearly very white lads joining in the attacks must have been bullied into it themselves by the Muslims. The amount of thicks out there, christ, sometimes it gets too much for even the most charitable view of humanity.
This is an easy one for us to agree on lads. What happened was foul. Why he got it is irrelevant. Nobody should be treated like that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 17, 2023, 05:57:41 PM"Nobody cares anymore if you're gay or not" or whatever the claim was.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/05/17/schoolboy-hospitalised-after-alleged-assault-in-navan-co-meath/
A friend of mine puts it that 'Human Beings are just talking chimps', it's as good an explanation as any of behaviour.
I have sons a few years younger and a few years older than that lad. Whether they were queers or not, I wouldn't let them out of the house with long pink hair - that's just asking for trouble.
Guessing another single parent family with a daft hippy liberal mother with no common sense.
Quote from: 91/30 on May 18, 2023, 10:06:09 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 17, 2023, 05:57:41 PM"Nobody cares anymore if you're gay or not" or whatever the claim was.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/05/17/schoolboy-hospitalised-after-alleged-assault-in-navan-co-meath/
Whether they were queers or not, I wouldn't let them out of the house with long pink hair - that's just asking for trouble.
Guessing another single parent family with a daft hippy liberal mother with no common sense.
If that's the kind of entirely imagined shit you're happy to come out with at home too then I'd be more worried about your kids being on the delivering than receiving end of bollocks like this tbh.
I could be wrong. :laugh: :laugh:
I was wondering what sort of father would let his son out like that in public (and who wouldn't try to talk a biteen of sense in to him) and to be honest I couldn't and still can't believe a man like that exists. "There's no father in that house" sez I to myself
Loves metal, comes out with nonsense about forcing teenagers to conform to the norm. Thank fucking satan our musical heroes didn't! :abbath:
Yeah, call in to question the parenting of the victim rather than the perpetrators, ffs that's beyond pathetic.
So you as a father would be happy to restrict your kids being themselves, seriously?
So "no son of mine is going out there in a Cradle of Filth shirt" doesn't work, your kid gets beat up by mods / ravers / reggae heads or whatever back in the day, and your outrage would be with your kid for being themselves?? So they essentially deserved a beating for not actually interfering with anyone else, but for being themselves?
Quote from: 91/30 on May 18, 2023, 10:56:31 AMI could be wrong. :laugh: :laugh:
I was wondering what sort of father would let his son out like that in public (and who wouldn't try to talk a biteen of sense in to him) and to be honest I couldn't and still can't believe a man like that exists. "There's no father in that house" sez I to myself
Christ I had a different hair colour every week when I was 16. Not a thing my ould lad could have done about it. Not that he gave a fuck anyway.
Doubt any of those were long Pink hair? If so it'd be your father's responsibility to have a quiet word along the lines "Lovely job on the hair but as you haven't a black belt in Karate you might want to tone it down a bit"
For your own protection like.
Like if one of my lads told me he wanted to 'be himself' and wear his Celtic top and sit in amongst the Rangers fans I'd have to steer him right, doyouknowwhatimean
Quote from: 91/30 on May 18, 2023, 12:04:38 PMDoubt any of those were long Pink hair? If so it'd be your father's responsibility to have a quiet word along the lines "Lovely job on the hair but as you haven't a black belt in Karate you might want to tone it down a bit"
For your own protection like.
Like if one of my lads told me he wanted to 'be himself' and wear his Celtic top and sit in amongst the Rangers fans I'd have to steer him right, doyouknowwhatimean
Hah. Have long hair and coloured every colour imaginable including pink. And the ould lad once tried to have a word which was roundly scoffed at and ignored. I got just as much abuse for having long hair as I did for having dyed hair. Which all got the same go fuck yourself response. The celtic analogy ain't comparable. That's just lunacy lol
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/garda-investigating-claims-alleged-spree-30009267
Complete non-story here
https://www.metalsucks.net/2023/05/18/marduks-joel-lindholm-filmed-throwing-a-nazi-salute/
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on May 18, 2023, 05:19:57 PMComplete non-story here
https://www.metalsucks.net/2023/05/18/marduks-joel-lindholm-filmed-throwing-a-nazi-salute/
Well it is metalsucks they are parasites.
Quote from: mickO))) on May 18, 2023, 04:49:22 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/garda-investigating-claims-alleged-spree-30009267
They should check the hospitals and engineering firms to find him. Just in case he's a doctor or an engineer like all the rest of the lads
Could be: Zimbabwe has one of the highest rates of literacy and education on the whole continent! :)
https://twitter.com/CryptoPalantir/status/1658827839259529221?t=nRyXrdPUHbHal1loO3wlsQ&s=19
Came across this video from one of the far right lads on Twitter. Some of you may agree, some of you may not but I think his description of the media coverage is a lot of the reason that a lot of people are feeling disenfranchised at the moment. Debate is not allowed and engagement is disengaged. All day every day I'm meeting normal Joe and Jane soaps who feel exactly as this fella describes in his monologue and they're giving me the nod and the wink if government or immigration is mentioned. These are the type of people who most certainly are not on Twitter or telegram and who still watch the rte news every night so they aren't being led or anything, they can see for themselves that something is off with the pace of what's happening but they have no representation. How long before the actual far right begins to appeal to these people who are firmly in the centre is what I'm thinking. And when it happens it will be entirely due to the government's failure to engage at any level with the ordinary concerned citizen of the country rather than anything the foreign lads might or mightn't do.
And speaking of the foreign lads, I'm dealing with them all day every day and I know most of them in the town and there's not a bother on them so I'm not blaming those lads either as I get on fine with them as much as any of the Irish boys and I think of them as no different than the Irish in Oz or Canada or France or Spain looking for a new experience or a better life. Was only high fiving one of the Crimean boys and two Arab lads on the way home from work that I helped out lately and I'm not against the folks in themselves at all (and funnily enough I have met a few engineers!) but the steadfast refusal from government to engage or indeed in any way attempt to slow down the unmanageable influx is really causing a divide in this country, it really is and it's an awful shame the way it's turning out because I don't believe that the Irish are an unwelcoming nation at all but enough is enough and too much is too much, simple as.
It's a real pity the way this is turning out to be a game of extremes, free for all vs free for none when the obvious approach is to try meet halfway but no-one will.
Fuck the binary Americanisation of Irish political discourse and fuck the lot of em in the dáil as well for refusing to see what's happening. They're going to cause war with their shit.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 18, 2023, 05:52:01 PMCould be: Zimbabwe has one of the highest rates of literacy and education on the whole continent! :)
Was helping out a Zimbabwean woman the other day who hadn't long arrived here and she's earning more than me fair play to her she was no stook at all
Is it just a case the 60000 Ukrainians that arrived here has fucked what was already a fucked housing system.
Someone told me there yesterday that there are the guts of 3 million Ukrainian refugees in Russia itself. Seems mental.
There's as many who aren't Ukrainian on the way in and it's not as simple as housing. That's not what has the regular folk up in arms at all
Quote from: astfgyl on May 18, 2023, 06:02:56 PMhttps://twitter.com/CryptoPalantir/status/1658827839259529221?t=nRyXrdPUHbHal1loO3wlsQ&s=19
Came across this video from one of the far right lads on Twitter. Some of you may agree, some of you may not but I think his description of the media coverage is a lot of the reason that a lot of people are feeling disenfranchised at the moment. Debate is not allowed and engagement is disengaged. All day every day I'm meeting normal Joe and Jane soaps who feel exactly as this fella describes in his monologue and they're giving me the nod and the wink if government or immigration is mentioned. These are the type of people who most certainly are not on Twitter or telegram and who still watch the rte news every night so they aren't being led or anything, they can see for themselves that something is off with the pace of what's happening but they have no representation. How long before the actual far right begins to appeal to these people who are firmly in the centre is what I'm thinking. And when it happens it will be entirely due to the government's failure to engage at any level with the ordinary concerned citizen of the country rather than anything the foreign lads might or mightn't do.
And speaking of the foreign lads, I'm dealing with them all day every day and I know most of them in the town and there's not a bother on them so I'm not blaming those lads either as I get on fine with them as much as any of the Irish boys and I think of them as no different than the Irish in Oz or Canada or France or Spain looking for a new experience or a better life. Was only high fiving one of the Crimean boys and two Arab lads on the way home from work that I helped out lately and I'm not against the folks in themselves at all (and funnily enough I have met a few engineers!) but the steadfast refusal from government to engage or indeed in any way attempt to slow down the unmanageable influx is really causing a divide in this country, it really is and it's an awful shame the way it's turning out because I don't believe that the Irish are an unwelcoming nation at all but enough is enough and too much is too much, simple as.
It's a real pity the way this is turning out to be a game of extremes, free for all vs free for none when the obvious approach is to try meet halfway but no-one will.
Fuck the binary Americanisation of Irish political discourse and fuck the lot of em in the dáil as well for refusing to see what's happening. They're going to cause war with their shit.
I know that lad from various Twitter spaces. He goes from really sensible to full headcase very quickly.
It almost sounds like you're trying to claim that, prior to twitter and telegram, there was zero propagation of political views among the general population and that it was impossible for people to be "led or anything." I think you know that's nonsense. Firstly, videos like this will spread on whatsapp too, plus in small communities it only takes one person having seen it before everyone has heard it recounted as gospel, most likely not knowing the sources. There are no "centre" people floating around wholly untouched, no matter how indirectly (and the nature of chinese whispers is to make things sound gradually worse and worse), by political arguments.
I've never seen that lad before, but even in that video there's a prominent mix of sensible and headcase, as hellfire calls it. Now there's a prominent mix of sensible and headcase in similar videos made by local lads on "the other side" who give up their time to go hands on to help refugees, go talk to them, etc., so we can call that the nature of the game, but still means you need to pay attention to the actual arguments, one by one. I didn't look into the Inch case at all, but his account of it there is a bit all over the place: he says the derelict hotel is 8km away from Inch, that the refugees don't have cars, that there are no services (medical, transport...) in Inch anyway... so then, what threat are the 69 lads supposed to pose? They can't drain services that don't exist, they can't take jobs that don't exist, they can't go on drive-by shootings... Then the fall out of the blockade was that now the 69 are piled up in three cottages, and so of course that's bad too, because everything has to be bad. Pragmatically, what would have been a win for a lad like this? That the 69 lads be bused around Ireland indefinitely?
Everything that Inch needs, as a community, that's what the focus should be on. The arrival nearby of more people could be used to fuel arguments to get those services provided, rather than turning them against the refugees themselves... exactly as was done in Sandwith Street. Locals and refugees could actually stand together, doubling (if not 150 percenting, to quote yer man) their voice against the government and their cronies. But who has the imagination for that scenario? No one on the right anyway, since their imagination is all used up elsewhere.
When I clicked 'Home' from yer man's video, this just happened to be top of my Twitter feed due to a RT from someone in the Irish metal scene who doesn't post here:
https://twitter.com/sarahmaintains/status/1659462380525441024
Makes for a relevant totally contrasting perspective.
The gist of what she is saying is true. They're not wanted anywhere on the island. A handful of crusties and activist journalists are the only ones supporting the governments immigration policies.
Quote from: hellfire on May 19, 2023, 09:47:51 AMQuote from: astfgyl on May 18, 2023, 06:02:56 PMhttps://twitter.com/CryptoPalantir/status/1658827839259529221?t=nRyXrdPUHbHal1loO3wlsQ&s=19
Came across this video from one of the far right lads on Twitter. Some of you may agree, some of you may not but I think his description of the media coverage is a lot of the reason that a lot of people are feeling disenfranchised at the moment. Debate is not allowed and engagement is disengaged. All day every day I'm meeting normal Joe and Jane soaps who feel exactly as this fella describes in his monologue and they're giving me the nod and the wink if government or immigration is mentioned. These are the type of people who most certainly are not on Twitter or telegram and who still watch the rte news every night so they aren't being led or anything, they can see for themselves that something is off with the pace of what's happening but they have no representation. How long before the actual far right begins to appeal to these people who are firmly in the centre is what I'm thinking. And when it happens it will be entirely due to the government's failure to engage at any level with the ordinary concerned citizen of the country rather than anything the foreign lads might or mightn't do.
And speaking of the foreign lads, I'm dealing with them all day every day and I know most of them in the town and there's not a bother on them so I'm not blaming those lads either as I get on fine with them as much as any of the Irish boys and I think of them as no different than the Irish in Oz or Canada or France or Spain looking for a new experience or a better life. Was only high fiving one of the Crimean boys and two Arab lads on the way home from work that I helped out lately and I'm not against the folks in themselves at all (and funnily enough I have met a few engineers!) but the steadfast refusal from government to engage or indeed in any way attempt to slow down the unmanageable influx is really causing a divide in this country, it really is and it's an awful shame the way it's turning out because I don't believe that the Irish are an unwelcoming nation at all but enough is enough and too much is too much, simple as.
It's a real pity the way this is turning out to be a game of extremes, free for all vs free for none when the obvious approach is to try meet halfway but no-one will.
Fuck the binary Americanisation of Irish political discourse and fuck the lot of em in the dáil as well for refusing to see what's happening. They're going to cause war with their shit.
I know that lad from various Twitter spaces. He goes from really sensible to full headcase very quickly.
I've never came across him before but I'm sure if I look into it he'll be in with the NP or something similar. Sounds fairly rational in that one but I was using him to illustrate my own point for the most part
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 19, 2023, 11:17:09 AMWhen I clicked 'Home' from yer man's video, this just happened to be top of my Twitter feed due to a RT from someone in the Irish metal scene who doesn't post here:
https://twitter.com/sarahmaintains/status/1659462380525441024
Makes for a relevant totally contrasting perspective.
It's hard to see much of a different perspective when talking about 69 men moving into a village of 40, but at the same time I get what she is saying to an extent. Almost all of the foreign lads I'm meeting daily are grand but the policy is bullshit
Quote from: astfgyl on May 19, 2023, 01:29:53 PMQuote from: hellfire on May 19, 2023, 09:47:51 AMQuote from: astfgyl on May 18, 2023, 06:02:56 PMhttps://twitter.com/CryptoPalantir/status/1658827839259529221?t=nRyXrdPUHbHal1loO3wlsQ&s=19
Came across this video from one of the far right lads on Twitter. Some of you may agree, some of you may not but I think his description of the media coverage is a lot of the reason that a lot of people are feeling disenfranchised at the moment. Debate is not allowed and engagement is disengaged. All day every day I'm meeting normal Joe and Jane soaps who feel exactly as this fella describes in his monologue and they're giving me the nod and the wink if government or immigration is mentioned. These are the type of people who most certainly are not on Twitter or telegram and who still watch the rte news every night so they aren't being led or anything, they can see for themselves that something is off with the pace of what's happening but they have no representation. How long before the actual far right begins to appeal to these people who are firmly in the centre is what I'm thinking. And when it happens it will be entirely due to the government's failure to engage at any level with the ordinary concerned citizen of the country rather than anything the foreign lads might or mightn't do.
And speaking of the foreign lads, I'm dealing with them all day every day and I know most of them in the town and there's not a bother on them so I'm not blaming those lads either as I get on fine with them as much as any of the Irish boys and I think of them as no different than the Irish in Oz or Canada or France or Spain looking for a new experience or a better life. Was only high fiving one of the Crimean boys and two Arab lads on the way home from work that I helped out lately and I'm not against the folks in themselves at all (and funnily enough I have met a few engineers!) but the steadfast refusal from government to engage or indeed in any way attempt to slow down the unmanageable influx is really causing a divide in this country, it really is and it's an awful shame the way it's turning out because I don't believe that the Irish are an unwelcoming nation at all but enough is enough and too much is too much, simple as.
It's a real pity the way this is turning out to be a game of extremes, free for all vs free for none when the obvious approach is to try meet halfway but no-one will.
Fuck the binary Americanisation of Irish political discourse and fuck the lot of em in the dáil as well for refusing to see what's happening. They're going to cause war with their shit.
I know that lad from various Twitter spaces. He goes from really sensible to full headcase very quickly.
I've never came across him before but I'm sure if I look into it he'll be in with the NP or something similar. Sounds fairly rational in that one but I was using him to illustrate my own point for the most part
He always sounds rational until he doesn't. Heard him on a Twitter space going on about his life and security experience. Sounded somewhere between James Bond and John Rambo. There's probably a tablet for whatever ails him.
Also, where did the 69 number even come from? All the newspaper reports I'm seeing, tabloid mainly, are talking about 34 and up to 50 local people protesting. Sounds like the most likely scenario regarding that video is the correct one: putting a reasonable appearance on talking out of his arse.
At least you could never have been accused of the reasonable appearance bit :laugh:
Anyway, turns out any "concerns" about burdens on non-existent amenities and services have been, unsurprisingly, just a smokescreen (albeit potentially an unconscious one, if I wish to appear reasonable ;) ). Spokesperson for protestors tells The Clare Echo; "If they were Ukrainian families at least we could try to integrate them into the community" directly after claiming they had no problem with housing people but "the issue" with welcoming these men is that "there isn't amenities" for them.
https://twitter.com/CDeB3232/status/1659141538910175232
This is one of those annual occasions I agree with you. This "lack of consultation" thing is crap too. You don't want them there, just say so.
Lol looks like they walked into that one!
I still stand by everything I said in my long reply above though, with or without the crazy people.
"i have sons a few years younger and a few years older than that lad. Whether they were queers or not, I wouldn't let them out of the house with long pink hair - that's just asking for trouble"
Dragging this convo back a little bit always pisses me off hearing shit like that from people in a supposedly alternative outsider scene. Kinda shit I'm sure most of our parents woulda said about long hair/piercings/tats/skulls and devil worship tshirts. 'you wouldn't get grief if you just looked normal' attitude is pretty antithetical to the whole metal scene is it not
You'd be pissing into the wind anyway. My auld lad grew up listening to Sabbath, Horslips and Rory Gallagher in a very conservative, religious house yet told me 'get that shit out of my house' when he saw a few of my CDs lying around when I was a teenager. It was just a story to tell lads, and he knew he was at nothing.
I 'caught' my young lad watching that Disney show Strange World or whatever it's called with the interracial gay story and I said 'what is this?, turn that shite off!', he, quite literally, laughed in my face and he's 10.
Best you can do is guide them as best you can, they are who they are. Chris' Ma surely realised this when he started going on about the means of production at age 7, or mine when I started drawing Totenkopfs on my copybooks at the same vintage :)
That Marduk footage seemed vague but there's been a firing!
https://blabbermouth.net/news/marduk-guitarist-blasts-former-bassist-over-deplorable-behavior-at-u-k-festival
Lol the state of that. You'd think at this stage that anyone would know not to give the salute. To be fair though, it was a bit of a BM trope for a good while
My first seizing of the means of production was grabbing the wooden spoon so I wouldn't get bate with it :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: mine too! I threw it down behind the piano
https://twitter.com/EricIdle/status/1659599331140468736?t=GutElm7U_fFTw6vf_nfXlQ&s=19
There's more of it, seemingly.
That story is a total mess. Same article that says there'll be no crucifixion scene and that Idle is involved also says the song will still be sung and has been updated to add that Idle is not involved :laugh: The more open communication is, the less reliable it gets, it often seems!
Yeah there seems to be a fair bit of confusion about it. Even from Idle himself as he's suggesting that the song won't be sung but cleese says there will be the song but not the crucifixion
https://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1659927650175991808?t=tFuKzhuim2xjkIxPcLDYGQ&s=19
Came across this a few minutes ago. Not getting into the discussion about whether one agrees with him or not because it's been done to death, but does anyone think this could play out a lot differently with the introduction of the proposed hate speech laws? Again, without getting into the why, does anyone who disagrees with his stance agree with his right to have that opinion, in the generally inoffensive way he's giving it? It's a bit of a minefield like how far could it go if say your Man United shirt offended me could I make a complaint now?
So whatever about the man and I'm sure many will think him bigoted or not so, doesn't his discussion with the Garda raise a good point as to the slippery slope we find ourselves on? Will the Garda now engage with the person who made the false complaint, will there be any action taken against them or is justice now in the hands of those who shout loudest, whether they're lying to get their way or not? Personally I've no skin in his particular game at all other than the censorship of opinions element.
He's an immigrant.
Good for him. I hope he's there under the correct immigration rules for the given country. As to whether those rules are suitable for everyone, well that's a matter for the lawmakers, who must be accountable for poor decisions rather than any immigrants who might be taking advantage of said rules or lack thereof.
Looks of military age too. And seems to have a lot of free time on his hands. I'm suspicious. Does he have an iPhone? Is he vetted??
Just messin'. I'm well past half cut here at a first communion lunch, flicking on here when I get bored trying to follow la conversación
Ah I got the joke the first time man no bother
Even worse! :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on March 31, 2023, 07:57:08 PMhttps://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html
Imagine that! :laugh: :laugh:
Looking like this entire story may have been a fabrication. Or at the very least one TD's personal (frankly dubious) experience being passed off as a government-spanning phenomenon, which data released via a freedom of information act has shown it wasn't: based on data from multiple government bodies, mails about the eviction ban outnumbered mails about transgender issues 20 fold.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 21, 2023, 11:31:54 AMhttps://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1659927650175991808?t=tFuKzhuim2xjkIxPcLDYGQ&s=19
Came across this a few minutes ago. Not getting into the discussion about whether one agrees with him or not because it's been done to death, but does anyone think this could play out a lot differently with the introduction of the proposed hate speech laws? Again, without getting into the why, does anyone who disagrees with his stance agree with his right to have that opinion, in the generally inoffensive way he's giving it? It's a bit of a minefield like how far could it go if say your Man United shirt offended me could I make a complaint now?
Now? I had a complaint made against me to management for wearing a Rangers shirt back in the mid 90's, the poor lad said he was religiously offended. Every item of clothing this dope owned had a Celtic logo on it and I had been given the shirt for a laugh couple of years earlier. It didn't even register when I put it on that morning, it was just a fucking clean t-shirt :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on May 21, 2023, 11:31:54 AMhttps://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1659927650175991808?t=tFuKzhuim2xjkIxPcLDYGQ&s=19
Came across this a few minutes ago. Not getting into the discussion about whether one agrees with him or not because it's been done to death, but does anyone think this could play out a lot differently with the introduction of the proposed hate speech laws? Again, without getting into the why, does anyone who disagrees with his stance agree with his right to have that opinion, in the generally inoffensive way he's giving it? It's a bit of a minefield like how far could it go if say your Man United shirt offended me could I make a complaint now?
So whatever about the man and I'm sure many will think him bigoted or not so, doesn't his discussion with the Garda raise a good point as to the slippery slope we find ourselves on? Will the Garda now engage with the person who made the false complaint, will there be any action taken against them or is justice now in the hands of those who shout loudest, whether they're lying to get their way or not? Personally I've no skin in his particular game at all other than the censorship of opinions element.
Jesus this lad is an insufferable prick. He actually
asks to be arrested, then lays out why that would be "helpful" to him, but the garda repeats and repeats that he's not there to arrest him, yet he tweets "Irish police are threatening to arrest me." The level of disrespect he displays is absolutely unreal. Absolutely no fan of them, but that garda did a stellar job keeping his calm in front of someone who was very fucking obviously angling for an arrest.
QuoteFailure to comply with the direction of a member of An Garda Síochána
It is an offence if you do not comply with a Garda's request to stop behaving in a way that they believe is endangering people's safety, property or the public peace. If you are behaving in this way, the Garda can also ask you to "move on" to avert any potential trouble. This means that they do not have to apply the full force of criminal law by arresting you, charging you and bringing you before the courts.
It is an offence to not follow these Garda directions, unless you have a reasonable excuse or lawful authority to do so. Any person convicted of failing to comply with a Garda direction in this way, is liable on summary conviction to a class D fine, or to a maximum term of 6 months in prison, or both.
What a hateful cunt. I agree with what he's saying but that guard would have been 100% in the right to club the cunt to death. Even inside the Disney fucking Store!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 22, 2023, 09:57:11 AMQuote from: astfgyl on March 31, 2023, 07:57:08 PMhttps://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html
Imagine that! :laugh: :laugh:
Looking like this entire story may have been a fabrication. Or at the very least one TD's personal (frankly dubious) experience being passed off as a government-spanning phenomenon, which data released via a freedom of information act has shown it wasn't: based on data from multiple government bodies, mails about the eviction ban outnumbered mails about transgender issues 20 fold.
They're absolute scumbags for this. Using a currently targeted minority group to deflect from their own responsibilities. Didn't think they could get a lot lower but this is certainly down there.
Scumbag masters of distraction and division.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 22, 2023, 09:57:11 AMQuote from: astfgyl on March 31, 2023, 07:57:08 PMhttps://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html
Imagine that! :laugh: :laugh:
Looking like this entire story may have been a fabrication. Or at the very least one TD's personal (frankly dubious) experience being passed off as a government-spanning phenomenon, which data released via a freedom of information act has shown it wasn't: based on data from multiple government bodies, mails about the eviction ban outnumbered mails about transgender issues 20 fold.
Spotted that yesterday it looks like shit yeah
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 22, 2023, 10:56:34 AMQuote from: astfgyl on May 21, 2023, 11:31:54 AMhttps://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1659927650175991808?t=tFuKzhuim2xjkIxPcLDYGQ&s=19
Came across this a few minutes ago. Not getting into the discussion about whether one agrees with him or not because it's been done to death, but does anyone think this could play out a lot differently with the introduction of the proposed hate speech laws? Again, without getting into the why, does anyone who disagrees with his stance agree with his right to have that opinion, in the generally inoffensive way he's giving it? It's a bit of a minefield like how far could it go if say your Man United shirt offended me could I make a complaint now?
So whatever about the man and I'm sure many will think him bigoted or not so, doesn't his discussion with the Garda raise a good point as to the slippery slope we find ourselves on? Will the Garda now engage with the person who made the false complaint, will there be any action taken against them or is justice now in the hands of those who shout loudest, whether they're lying to get their way or not? Personally I've no skin in his particular game at all other than the censorship of opinions element.
Jesus this lad is an insufferable prick. He actually asks to be arrested, then lays out why that would be "helpful" to him, but the garda repeats and repeats that he's not there to arrest him, yet he tweets "Irish police are threatening to arrest me." The level of disrespect he displays is absolutely unreal. Absolutely no fan of them, but that garda did a stellar job keeping his calm in front of someone who was very fucking obviously angling for an arrest.
QuoteFailure to comply with the direction of a member of An Garda Síochána
It is an offence if you do not comply with a Garda's request to stop behaving in a way that they believe is endangering people's safety, property or the public peace. If you are behaving in this way, the Garda can also ask you to "move on" to avert any potential trouble. This means that they do not have to apply the full force of criminal law by arresting you, charging you and bringing you before the courts.
It is an offence to not follow these Garda directions, unless you have a reasonable excuse or lawful authority to do so. Any person convicted of failing to comply with a Garda direction in this way, is liable on summary conviction to a class D fine, or to a maximum term of 6 months in prison, or both.
Yeah fair play missing the point entirely there.
Sorry for going off point.
Quotedoesn't his discussion with the Garda raise a good point as to the slippery slope we find ourselves on?
No.
:)
Well it does because under the new laws proposed he would be carried away for the same complaint that's not true rather than the Garda simply mentioning to him. So there's the slippery slope rather than simply saying he's a knob and moving on
Ah yes, because the gardai are famous for arresting people for every legally justified complaint they receive. I'm after showing you that this bald moose infringed the law the moment he told the garda to his face that he would refuse to move on. Did the garda arrest him? No. There may be a slippery slope, but this situation didn't illustrate it at all. It illustrated a guardian of the peace making an astute assessment of what the best way to guard the peace was when confronted with a globe-trotting attention whore. Voilà. Give the man a promotion.
I disagree. People are well able to use whichever weapons they have at their disposal and the slippery slope as I see it is that people will need more and more protecting the more protected certain characteristics get. Maybe you really don't see it going that way or like that sort of thing I suppose it does sort of come down to how much government you want in your life..
Does anyone know what happens now with the person who made the complaint will they have to explain themselves I wonder? And no I actually don't know if they will or not.
I've been on the end of a couple of lads acting the cunt and trying to pull the race card out and had lads saying I only thought they were a prick because of their sexuality but they were actually pricks. I can see how this bollix could pan out. The laws we have are sufficient to deal with it as is without increasing them. You've actually illustrated that point yourself by pointing out how the Garda had powers enough for that situation. I don't like the idea of some people being more offendable (don't think that's a word but it'll do) than others in the eyes of the law. That's not a sort of equality I could be getting on board with.
This is so true it made me laugh. Describing Roderic O'Gorman as "a one-man recruiting sergeant for an indigenous anti-immigration party."
https://extra.ie/2023/05/22/news/ogorman-knives-out (https://extra.ie/2023/05/22/news/ogorman-knives-out)
The concept of 'hate crime' is anathema to equality.
Get into a scrap with a homosexual or anyone 'marginalised' and it's 'hate'.
Quote from: hellfire on May 22, 2023, 07:17:46 PMThis is so true it made me laugh. Describing Roderic O'Gorman as "a one-man recruiting sergeant for an indigenous anti-immigration party."
https://extra.ie/2023/05/22/news/ogorman-knives-out (https://extra.ie/2023/05/22/news/ogorman-knives-out)
Sound about right. In fact you could say it for all the government policies at the minute
Knives out indeed: every thirsty swinging mickey and wizard sleeve wants to be able to say they got one into the awful beast. Not that what they're saying isn't true about O'Gorman (don't quote me on that), but FG and FF pricks, you gotta be most wary of them when they start oozing in the same direction as you.
QuoteOne FF TD said: 'O'Gorman has created a backlash in rural Ireland. The rural economy has been closed down by a coterie of Dublin ministers.'
There's no better fuckin' single word than fuckin' "coterie" to describe FF! A coterie of cocks and their cronies.
I thought you'd love them considering that their policies are in perfect alignment with your beliefs.
A litany of hostile retardation from this wave of vigilantism claiming to want to make Ireland a place people can feel safe:
First there was burning the encampment in Sandwith Street.
Now this in Clare:
https://www.thejournal.ie/co-clare-protest-6075164-May2023/
QuoteA CO CLARE man in his 70s was on his way home on Sunday evening when he was hit with an implement at the site of an anti-immigration protest, and had to be hospitalised as a result of his injuries.
This kind of shite in Santry, hysterically blocking someone who is, eh, very obviously not an immigrant and has none in his vehicle:
https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1660389324934860800
Scarlet for all their mas.
Ya that one in Clare is shocking. Fella just on his way home and these fucking numpties hassling people going about their business. Do any of them have jobs or are they just full time protestors.
It's as if each side is doing its best to galvanise the other with the carry on of it all
Watched a longish video from the bould lads from Gript that Chris mentions from time to time.
Ha ha, I can see why the donneybrook lefties call them FASH.
Gript have as much of an agenda as any of them they just blow a different coloured whistle is all. They're no less factual than any of the rest either. It's all in the presentation of said facts
That said, I do enjoy whenever Ben Scallan gets near a few TDs. He always has them squirming.
https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/strategy-and-priorities/key-eu-policies-ireland/eu-migration-policy-and-ireland_en
Well there's the plan anyway for anyone who might be wondering what it is.
How do we think it's going?
https://www.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/gemma-odoherty-posts-videos-praising-hitler-and-claiming-holocaust-is-hoax/a1788474845.html
Gemma has gone for the (nazi) gold in terms of conspiracy theories. In for a Pfennig in for a Deutschmark I suppose!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 23, 2023, 02:00:29 PMA litany of hostile retardation from this wave of vigilantism claiming to want to make Ireland a place people can feel safe:
First there was burning the encampment in Sandwith Street.
Now this in Clare:
https://www.thejournal.ie/co-clare-protest-6075164-May2023/
QuoteA CO CLARE man in his 70s was on his way home on Sunday evening when he was hit with an implement at the site of an anti-immigration protest, and had to be hospitalised as a result of his injuries.
This kind of shite in Santry, hysterically blocking someone who is, eh, very obviously not an immigrant and has none in his vehicle:
https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1660389324934860800
Scarlet for all their mas.
The encampment was a People Before Profit construction built around six or so tents. It was dismantled and the lads sleeping there were long gone before anything went up. Granted they shouldn't be lighting fires in urban areas.
Not sure why the lad in his 70s was hit. Given everything else that's gone on the Irish media should be made to preface articles with based on a true story.
The government is pushing an immigration strategy nationally that only a minority of people want. That minority gets a lot smaller when the accommodation is in their area.
With regard to paid protests. At every march, protest and whatever else the refugees welcome brigade are in large part working for state funded NGO sector. The ranks fill when you have these Marxist types from PBP etc.
Quote from: hellfire on May 24, 2023, 09:54:01 AMNot sure why the lad in his 70s was hit. Given everything else that's gone on the Irish media should be made to preface articles with based on a true story.
I would like to hear a bit more on this story but all that seems to be getting reported is old man hit on head and nothing more. I first saw the story on the RTE site on Monday morning and now I can't find it anywhere. It will be interesting to see if this story develops or just fades into the background.
The one question people don't seem to be asking is why are the Government continuing to push this migrant thing when we are under no legal obligation to take them, they are not seeking asylum in the first country they land in which is what they are suppose to be doing, the country cleary can't handle the numbers that are being brought in and the vast majority of the country don't want it not to mention all the problems it is currently causing. What is in it for them? The usual 'ah sure Government don't know what they are at' bollox is not what is going on here.
This government, and likely any alternative government in this country is not going to go against the grain coming from Brussels. Hungary and Poland have come under intense pressure to conform, and to their credit, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with mass migration, they have not.
It's window dressed as diversity, Senegalese restaurants in the heart of the city, sure remember the famine, we have a moral duty etc, but Leo 'I was the gay brown kid at school' Varadkar and his pals are going to do what they are told.
Why are you saying you can't find the story about the Clare man anywhere when there's a link to it right there? And here it is on the RTE website too:
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2023/0522/1385078-clare-assault-investigation/
Man forgets how to use Google, blames it on immigration policy.
I'm saying that if RTE told me it was raining I'd go out to check. EVERYTHING else they have reported about this has been verifiably proven to be false with a two minute look online.
The only good thing to come out of all of this is the decimation of any shred of relevance Marxist bastards such as yourself may have held.
Was talking to micko)) who claimed he could no longer find the story anywhere, while portending meaning beyond himself to that failing.
Fair enough. I'd apologise only for I meant the insulting remarks.
Be my guest. They're about as impactful as inflatable hammers.
Don't worry about it
See now that's the kind of thing I'd have to be skeptical about. No reason to doubt the chain of sources, but that's a big claim with big implications that requires more for me, at where I'm hearing it, to take it on board as true.
Do yiz get the jist of how that works down the back there lads?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 24, 2023, 11:41:36 AMSee now that's the kind of thing I'd have to be skeptical about. No reason to doubt the chain of sources, but that's a big claim with big implications that requires more for me, at where I'm hearing it, to take it on board as true.
Do yiz get the jist of how that works down the back there lads?
Fair point, I have no reason to not believe your one who told me mind but sure look in the interest of staying out of this shitheap of a thread I'll remove it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 24, 2023, 11:04:32 AMWhy are you saying you can't find the story about the Clare man anywhere when there's a link to it right there? And here it is on the RTE website too:
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2023/0522/1385078-clare-assault-investigation/
Man forgets how to use Google, blames it on immigration policy.
I said I was looking for the story earlier and couldn't find it no need to get those red panties in a twist.
Quote from: ochoill on May 24, 2023, 11:46:22 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 24, 2023, 11:41:36 AMSee now that's the kind of thing I'd have to be skeptical about. No reason to doubt the chain of sources, but that's a big claim with big implications that requires more for me, at where I'm hearing it, to take it on board as true.
Do yiz get the jist of how that works down the back there lads?
Fair point, I have no reason to not believe your one who told me mind but sure look in the interest of staying out of this shitheap of a thread I'll remove it.
No need to remove it man; you told it as you heard it, I've no doubt of that part. I have to be skeptical about it because it "fits" my overall perspective a little too well, is a big claim, and
to me is third hand anecdotal report. If that kind of behavior is going on, then it will come out. Maybe not immediately if locals are genuinely feeling intimidated, but it will.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 24, 2023, 11:29:45 AMBe my guest. They're about as impactful as inflatable hammers.
I got a nasty cut once from the melted seam of one of those yokes... I'll get my coat! :-[
Now I just want to see the deleted post
Cops in England arresting a builder for doing what the cunts should be doing themselves. https://youtu.be/PZawWtzJN_E
They just leave these wankers stopping people getting to work. Funny how they steamed in mob handed when it was anti vaxxers and anti lockdown protesters but this shower of cunts and BLM get the royal treatment.
The Germans at least cleared the creeps out of the road.
Meanwhile, gardai stand by and allow vigilante blockade of public access roads, obliging delivery men with a job to do to carry heavy goods in by foot.
https://twitter.com/IanBegley_/status/1661624226133024768?s=20
Suggestions Kev??
Have the ones at the airport do their damn job.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 25, 2023, 11:14:53 AMMeanwhile, gardai stand by and allow vigilante blockade of public access roads, obliging delivery men with a job to do to carry heavy goods in by foot.
https://twitter.com/IanBegley_/status/1661624226133024768?s=20
Suggestions Kev??
Yeah, get them out of the way if they are stopping lads doing their job. Only thing they are doing is stopping migrants having a decent bed for the night, which I don't begrudge them, provided the non-genuine refugees, which is according to the UN definition of the word, the majority, are sent packing.
It's the idea you angled at, that the police (be that in the UK, US, or Ireland) only get heavy handed in some kind of blatantly partisan way, which I don't think scrutiny backs up. People who want to broad stroke cast the police in those countries as primarily stooges for the left or primarily stooges for the right will never have long to wait before something happens that seems to prove their case.
Things are a bit different in France, where ~64% of the police voted for either Le Pen or Zemmour last year, but taking the UK, US and Ireland as representative of the news we discuss on here most, I'm not convinced by an over-arching police force partisanship.
Next time you're running late for work and some prick with a stop oil flag has the road blocked, let me know how you react.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 25, 2023, 05:17:00 PMNext time you're running late for work and some prick with a stop oil flag has the road blocked, let me know how you react.
I'd turn off the car and join them most likely :abbath:
Edit. Now that's if I was going to work. If it was a gig plough the lot of them.
If I were to change my political values every time demonstrators made me late for work, I'd have a framed photo of Macron on my office wall by now ;)
I dunno, maybe you boyz have flexi time or whatever but most lads nerves are easily frayed in the car, especially in the morning. I'd be fuckin' raging whatever the cause de jour was.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 25, 2023, 05:39:08 PMI dunno, maybe you boyz have flexi time or whatever but most lads nerves are easily frayed in the car, especially in the morning. I'd be fuckin' raging whatever the cause de jour was.
the good weather
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 25, 2023, 05:39:08 PMI dunno, maybe you boyz have flexi time or whatever but most lads nerves are easily frayed in the car, especially in the morning. I'd be fuckin' raging whatever the cause de jour was.
With the good weather I cycle to work when it's not raining. My mood is far better if I cycle. Fit to kill in the car.
Amazing how other lads behaviour on the road, no matter how trivial, would have you foaming at the mouth. I've been called a lazy bastard and a homophobic retard (wife and internet, so easily brushed off I suppose) today and a fella braking on the motorway this morning (he wasn't even that out of order) had me fair fuckin pissed off.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 25, 2023, 06:38:27 PMAmazing how other lads behaviour on the road, no matter how trivial, would have you foaming at the mouth. I've been called a lazy bastard and a homophobic retard (wife and internet, so easily brushed off I suppose) today and a fella braking on the motorway this morning (he wasn't even that out of order) had me fair fuckin pissed off.
Aye. I find it kind of interesting how when your driving the smallest mistake by another driver causes me to go spare. I used to have awful road rage but I just dont bother anymore. It's not worth it.
Had a buck chase me round town before when he thought I had cut him off. I just kept circling the town until he had enough.
Ha, I was in the fast lane a few weeks ago doing the speed limit, maybe a touch below and some lad on a high powered Kawasaki started revving behind me...then overtook me and stared through his visor at me (this cunt had his head turned towards me, not looking where he was going at all) for a good thirty seconds. He was gesturing for me to change lanes but it was jammers and I couldn't speed up because he had slowed down to 'make his point' 😂😂😂
Ah here😂😂
He created his own paradox
Quote from: hellfire on May 25, 2023, 11:52:55 AMHave the ones at the airport do their damn job.
There's the simple answer.
Unfortunately it's too clever to ever catch on
Quote from: astfgyl on May 25, 2023, 08:01:33 PMQuote from: hellfire on May 25, 2023, 11:52:55 AMHave the ones at the airport do their damn job.
There's the simple answer.
Unfortunately it's too clever to ever catch on
Thanks ya big homophobic retard
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 25, 2023, 08:31:01 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 25, 2023, 08:01:33 PMQuote from: hellfire on May 25, 2023, 11:52:55 AMHave the ones at the airport do their damn job.
There's the simple answer.
Unfortunately it's too clever to ever catch on
Thanks ya big homophobic retard
Fuckin terf
The far right boogeyman isn't having the same effect anymore so let's introduce a new one.
https://www.newstalk.com/news/organised-crime-infiltrating-anti-migrant-protests-1469148?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0ldDZE7cP7O6MejCm-a6aPOeAdqon5ptlY3RJfG_KmuYbe2Ewnb25m_L8#Echobox=1685093914
Surely this particular Garda claim works
in favour of the position (which I take to be yours) that the majority of protestors are ordinary local people with genuine (albeit, I would say, misdirected) concerns about their community and that any shenanigans are the work of a minority whose primary interests are not community-based.
QuoteAshtree Risk Group manager and former Garda Inspector Tony Gallagher: "The vast majority of people are out for legitimate reasons to protests, and it's unfortunate to see this type of thing seeping in and overthrowing a legitimate reason [for protesting]."
You really do see conspiracy everywhere.
:laugh: I knew you would be the first to bite. You never pass up an opportunity to jump to the defence of the establishment.
Quote from: mickO))) on May 26, 2023, 04:09:08 PMThe far right boogeyman isn't having the same effect anymore so let's introduce a new one.
https://www.newstalk.com/news/organised-crime-infiltrating-anti-migrant-protests-1469148?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0ldDZE7cP7O6MejCm-a6aPOeAdqon5ptlY3RJfG_KmuYbe2Ewnb25m_L8#Echobox=1685093914
They are really clutching at straws now. If anyone believes that I'll give them a good price on some magic beans. The prevalence of activist journalism is absolutely sickening. People completely disregard the nonsense they're spouting anyway.
I'm part of a lot of the Twitter and Telegram groups they repratedly refer to. The funny thing is that these protests come as news to them in most cases (not Pearse street). The locals in Inch made it known they didn't want anyone coming in from outside even if they agreed with them. These are normal Irish opinions and Roderic O'Gorman and company are the only ones furthering them.
The problem isn't the protests, it's who the protests are directed at (the migrants themselves) as well as the message (seems to be a lot of focus on scaremongering about foreigners, rather than the real problem being housing).
And as I said months ago when a protest happened in my area, where have all of these self-appointed defenders of the community been the last 40 year while local drug gangs have been destroying the place.
Pointing that out isn't defending the goverment, sure they love the fact there's a scapegoat to take the focus off of them, these protesters don't even realise they're doing exactly what the government want them to do.
This is it in a nutshell.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 26, 2023, 04:23:00 PMSurely this particular Garda claim works in favour of the position (which I take to be yours) that the majority of protestors are ordinary local people with genuine (albeit, I would say, misdirected) concerns about their community and that any shenanigans are the work of a minority whose primary interests are not community-based.
QuoteAshtree Risk Group manager and former Garda Inspector Tony Gallagher: "The vast majority of people are out for legitimate reasons to protests, and it's unfortunate to see this type of thing seeping in and overthrowing a legitimate reason [for protesting]."
You really do see conspiracy everywhere.
Now this isn't me picking at your point about people being misdirected in their concerns because I agree with you that in no way should the migrants be the target of the general ire at all, but it did strike me that you don't live here and got me thinking about your points on it in general.
I honestly think that you would have to live here - in rural Ireland, to truly appreciate the pace of the change and the scale of the change. It's not going to be as noticeable in the cities fair enough and as you have moved to a country far ahead of us in these terms, you will likely have a different perspective on levels of middle Eastern lads in your locality and that's understandable.
However, think of this from the perspective of your general non yoke taking average Joe from the small town or local townslands who isn't used to bigging it up with the United colours of Benetton and you'd have to be sedated to cope with the massive shift in everything.
I can fully understand what their fears are, even though I myself have plenty of experience with the new lads and they're fine and friendly and will fit in no bother given a bit of time. That will not allay the fears of the average rte watching, mass going, hurling playing/supporting, pub drinking, Chinese takeaway on a Saturday night type of punter, who coincidentally are the ones most likely to be voting on the next government. Who will they look to for representation when none of the current parties in govt or opposition will heed their concerns at the dissolution of the general life to which they have become accustomed? Yes it will be the mythical but soon to be real spook/stook that we currently refer to as the far right but fuck we haven't seen anything yet is my guess on how this will pan out.
Saying all this I was outside work earlier having a fag and an Indian lad strolled up and shared a joint with me so it's not like I've issues with the lads and I agree the anger is misdirected, but it's worth considering why the anger exists at all and why people need a target that can be hit rather than the impervious machine that is the clanking wheels of government, bureaucracy and the legal system (hi Franz, welcome to Ireland!) and thus direct their anger in a rather scattergun approach at the (let's face it no different than you or I) immigrant contingent.
The tap needs turning off because the sink is full. This is what is seen and said around the campfire and apart from a few fuckin eejits, it isn't racism that's the issue, it's the practicality of the situation and I guarantee if the tap was turned off tomorrow that people would soon warm to the lads and would definitely get over their initial fears of Johnny foreigner being a rapist (yes I understand there have been issues but by percentage I doubt it's massively worse than our own lads over the years) and get to know them and blah blah blah happy ever after etc.
The whole thing could be sorted no bother is the killer for me with it all, it shouldn't be rocket science to run a functioning refugee and immigration service without stupid loopholes and easily head off the arguments being made on all sides but no, there has to be money in it for plenty of lads for the govt response to be this stupid/obstinate about the whole thing.
Honestly though, you'd have to see it to believe it. The pace of change is nuts to the extent that the polski boys are feeling put out over it and all.
Also the point that the protests are being organised by the local shitehawks is not lost on me at all but you'd have to ask yourselves why the opinion of the local shitehawks is now gaining credence among those who would previously have written them off on sight?
Policy.
Quote from: ldj on May 26, 2023, 05:28:40 PMThe problem isn't the protests, it's who the protests are directed at (the migrants themselves) as well as the message (seems to be a lot of focus on scaremongering about foreigners, rather than the real problem being housing).
And as I said months ago when a protest happened in my area, where have all of these self-appointed defenders of the community been the last 40 year while local drug gangs have been destroying the place.
Pointing that out isn't defending the goverment, sure they love the fact there's a scapegoat to take the focus off of them, these protesters don't even realise they're doing exactly what the government want them to do.
The government in no way want these protests. Ideally this all could be handled by the political process if it hadn't shut up shop. None of this was being dealt with in any way until there were visible public disruptions. The morality and motivations of some of the protestors may be questionable, so what? In a lot of ways my even wasting bytes writing is useless. One of two things will happen. They keep importing at pace until such time as the 63% of people not wanting more becomes 93% or they implement some policies to cut the overall number of arrivals.
Why wouldn't they want these protests? Are you blind to the state of them?? They want as many thicks to be mouthing off and acting up at them as possible, and boy are they getting that. The more the protests get associated with a handful of individuals the average Irish person would never want moving in beside them either, the better. The folk in Inch were dead right to say they didn't want anyone from outside the community joining them. Unfortunately for them, they weren't heeded by the likes of Philip Dwyer. And seems like the same happened in Corofin re yer man getting hit with a torch, and same all over. The optics of the protests as they stand are absolutely perfect for the government. You've numbers for how many think too many migrants are being allowed in, grand. Have you numbers for how many think protesting accommodation centres and groups of migrant individuals is okay?
That's why I don't understand why ye think the gardai now coming out and pinning the blame on just such a handful of individuals is a play against ye. Fair enough the thing about criminals doing it with a view to keeping garda presence low seems a stretch, but the bottom line of the statement, as I read it, was "the majority have legitimate concerns, the handful of clowns don't."
I'm not going to spend page after page meandering with you. I don't need to. These protests won't cease until the matter is handled politically and some faith is restored in the immigration system. Philip Dwyer represents a minority of people who completely overestimate their importance in all this. You and others like you are only happy to acknowledge legitimate concerns when it suits. The party is over for the radical left in this country.
Radical left being PBP? Last polls were a month ago. SF were at 37%, another all time high. So if SF are the radical left in your eyes, I'd say there's still everything to play for. But sure, only the election will tell for certain.
Btw, I wasn't acknowledging legitimate concerns, since I still think those concerns are misdirected. I was just underlining that the gardai were acknowledging legitimate concerns.
People Before Profit being the political arm of it. I was more referring to Antifa and other assorted freaks. They have had their day in the sun regarding deciding what others can do. A Sinn Fein government is an inevitability at this point. They are like a dog with it's teeth pulled.
Sinn Fein is so eager for power they'll do anything or say anything. I'd say they stand for less that even De Valera when he made the same grab for power in 1927.
Complete sell-outs. It's a political inevitability that positions are loosened and policy diluted when mass appeal is achieved but these cunts are going above and beyond.
All that aside, could they possibly be worse than the current crowd? Things will certainly get 'woker', no doubt about that.
I know it was a figure of speech, but if we take the "standards" of FF and FG and the Green Party as the bar, then I think any compromises SF have engaged in so far fall well short of "above and beyond" that. I haven't been following closely, but from what I've seen they're really getting it from all angles recently, with little positive support in the Irish media even for things like their most recent win up north.
How have 'radical left' parties had their day, the entire history of the modern republic has been led by a right of center government and they've ran it into the ground.
I find the super woke/pc stuff as annoying as anyone else but that isn't the reason our country is a shambles, FF/FG and their neo-liberal policies are.
I wasn't referring to parties apart from PBP.
Quote from: hellfire on May 27, 2023, 03:18:01 PMI wasn't referring to parties apart from PBP.
Their real name before they changed it is the Socialist Workers Party, the crowd in Ireland are the local franchise of an English organisation. Total fantacists. Do they have MPs back in their country of origin? Don't know but doubt it. As they're very 'agin the government' some goms in Ireland have voted for them
Quote from: ldj on May 27, 2023, 02:56:05 PMHow have 'radical left' parties had their day, the entire history of the modern republic has been led by a right of center government and they've ran it into the ground.
I find the super woke/pc stuff as annoying as anyone else but that isn't the reason our country is a shambles, FF/FG and their neo-liberal policies are.
PBP and all these independents and generally weak short term coalition governments is why it's a shambles.
Did you ever wonder why when the Brits set up the free state they gifted it proportionional representation in the upper house but they don't have that system themselves. Isn't that odd
PPB are not going to enjoy the red c poll results.
The more radical element among their supporters are the big losers at the moment. I'm talking about the "our streets" brigade. The possibility of harm to their own person will be enough to dissuade most of them.
At some point a political resolution is needed for all of this. That solution is not calling everyone opposed to this nonsense far-right. It will improve or escalate.
Most of them are not from the working class, but rather have a romantic view of them and dislike that illusion being shattered when they see the track suits and baseball caps and north face coats shouting 'fuck of back to your own country'.
'The Gaurds are fash dude' etc.
As much as they are muppets in many regards, it's worth pointing out that three of their four constituency offices are in Tallaght, Clondalkin, and Ballyfermot, so I think you're fairly making up the idea that they have a romantic view of the working class.
Self described Trotskyite (ha ha ffs) party led by a silly toff and that daft hippie Bríd Smith, who advocate for working class mass action in places like Clondalkin aren't romanticising the working class?
Your buddy Trotsky romanticised the working class so much he confused them with farmers and thought they'd be dancing at the crossroads and delighted to be out in giant state run farms and have all their stuff taken away.
Ha ha, I hope you enjoy Christmas back on your home planet this year.
They're not a self-described Trotskyite (or Trotskyist) party. Many others describe them as that, but not themselves. But what I meant, obviously, is that they have plenty of first-hand non-romanticized experience of the working class of Dublin so aren't having any illusions shattered.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2023, 01:38:27 PMAs much as they are muppets in many regards, it's worth pointing out that three of their four constituency offices are in Tallaght, Clondalkin, and Ballyfermot, so I think you're fairly making up the idea that they have a romantic view of the working class.
You're right there, and it worked well when they were simply anti government but now that they are attempting to be the face of unfettered migration and the trans shit at the same time it's not washing the way it used to.
As I was saying to you in the last long post I made there, you'd really have to be living it to see the pace of change and I feel the govt parties along with all the opposition who don't oppose the policy at all will end up in an Icarus situation very very soon.
Unless of course they manage to introduce some fuckin serious tax breaks in the next budget before they hit the election cycle in earnest.
They're all in trouble when they make their 5 yearly visit to the peasants this time though I'm going to redden every single one of the cunts when they do and by fucking god I will be one of their more pleasant experiences going by what I hear around the campfire.
Fuck em. Representatives are supposed to represent the will of the people and they are all suffering from an extreme dereliction of duty in that regard, as in the policies currently in force at every turn in no way represent the will of the people.
Fuck the lot of em
You're not wrong. I can't think of a single party in either Ireland or here in Spain that doesn't nauseate me in one way or another.
Except the Frente Obrero who are outright commies, but hate the woke shit. Great craic, they piss off the race mongers even more than Vox.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 28, 2023, 02:42:15 PMor here in Spain
I actually ended up at a local political "mitin" last week, ahead of today's local elections, when we were down Rioja way. Amazing range of topics in these declining rural villages, from what to do with the now defunct school house, to how to reclaim the right to stack up dead farm animals so the vultures can eat them :laugh: (A serious issue on a local level, of course, just very funny for me as an urban outsider.)
'Down the country' in Spain is like another planet alright :)
Quote from: astfgyl on May 28, 2023, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2023, 01:38:27 PMAs much as they are muppets in many regards, it's worth pointing out that three of their four constituency offices are in Tallaght, Clondalkin, and Ballyfermot, so I think you're fairly making up the idea that they have a romantic view of the working class.
You're right there, and it worked well when they were simply anti government but now that they are attempting to be the face of unfettered migration and the trans shit at the same time it's not washing the way it used to.
As I was saying to you in the last long post I made there, you'd really have to be living it to see the pace of change and I feel the govt parties along with all the opposition who don't oppose the policy at all will end up in an Icarus situation very very soon.
Unless of course they manage to introduce some fuckin serious tax breaks in the next budget before they hit the election cycle in earnest.
They're all in trouble when they make their 5 yearly visit to the peasants this time though I'm going to redden every single one of the cunts when they do and by fucking god I will be one of their more pleasant experiences going by what I hear around the campfire.
Fuck em. Representatives are supposed to represent the will of the people and they are all suffering from an extreme dereliction of duty in that regard, as in the policies currently in force at every turn in no way represent the will of the people.
Fuck the lot of em
I would actually hate to be the canvassers who hit my door. They have ruined the country to such an extent I'm giving serious consideration to leaving it. Permanently this time.
Have to say, you Irish guys want to look like you are fun loving, happy guys, etc, blah, blah, blah. .....Have to say, generally speaking....I've traveled all around Europe, more than couple of times, I've never seen more pathetic nation in Europe. Be free to think whatever you want.
Quote from: warhead on May 28, 2023, 09:07:45 PMHave to say, you Irish guys want to look like you are fun loving, happy guys, etc, blah, blah, blah. .....Have to say, generally speaking....I've traveled all around Europe, more than couple of times, I've never seen more pathetic nation in Europe. Be free to think whatever you want.
You might want to elaborate on that one Franjo.
Quote from: warhead on May 28, 2023, 09:07:45 PMHave to say, you Irish guys want to look like you are fun loving, happy guys, etc, blah, blah, blah. .....Have to say, generally speaking....I've traveled all around Europe, more than couple of times, I've never seen more pathetic nation in Europe. Be free to think whatever you want.
State of this
Quote from: warhead on May 28, 2023, 09:07:45 PMHave to say, you Irish guys want to look like you are fun loving, happy guys, etc, blah, blah, blah. .....Have to say, generally speaking....I've traveled all around Europe, more than couple of times, I've never seen more pathetic nation in Europe. Be free to think whatever you want.
Feel free to leave. Nobody is keeping you prisoner.
Definitely want an explanation before just telling him to sling his hook.
I reserve my right not to ever identify as fun loving and happy :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2023, 02:11:40 PMThey're not a self-described Trotskyite (or Trotskyist) party. Many others describe them as that, but not themselves. But what I meant, obviously, is that they have plenty of first-hand non-romanticized experience of the working class of Dublin so aren't having any illusions shattered.
Seriously? So they weren't founded as a front organisation by Irish adherents of the sect set up Yigael Glückstein?
Do I need to provide a dictionary definition for "self-described"? :)
Are Fine Gael a "self-described" fascist party? No. Seriously? So they weren't founded out of a merger that included Eoin O'Duffy's Mussolini inspired blueshirts?
Absurd, right? Right. Think about the meanings of words as you read them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 29, 2023, 10:36:04 AMDo I need to provide a dictionary definition for "self-described"? :)
Are Fine Gael a "self-described" fascist party? No. Seriously? So they weren't founded out of a merger that included Eoin O'Duffy's Mussolini inspired blueshirts?
Absurd, right? Right. Think about the meanings of words as you read them.
Set up by Yigael Glückstein followers in Ireland who have maintained their own organisational structure as the core group and driving force within PBP.
But add the illusion that they are not trots to the other shit you believe
Trotskyist/ite may be the most accurate term to describe the party objectively, but they don't apply it to themselves. Hence, they are not self-described Trotskyites, which is the false claim that elicited a "(ha ha ffs)" from Kev. I couldn't care less whether they actually are or not but, whatever their reasons are, belief-based or merely strategic, they simply do not use the term to describe themselves.
Quote from: 91/30 on May 29, 2023, 10:28:05 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 28, 2023, 02:11:40 PMThey're not a self-described Trotskyite (or Trotskyist) party. Many others describe them as that, but not themselves. But what I meant, obviously, is that they have plenty of first-hand non-romanticized experience of the working class of Dublin so aren't having any illusions shattered.
Seriously? So they weren't founded as a front organisation by Irish adherents of the sect set up Yigael Glückstein?
Don't bother. He gets a horn by drawing people into a five page debate. He'll bollock around the point and shift constantly when proven wrong.
Proven wrong about what? PBP don't self-describe as Trotskyist/ite. If you don't understand how that is any different to what they may actually be, then I can only presume it's because you're a self-described idiot.
Quiet up you clown :laugh:
Keep the internecine shite to a minimum lads, ye'r letting this Croatian lad off the hook!
He must be one of those rare foreigners who think they'd enjoy Ireland more if the people were only a bit less welcoming towards foreigners. And non-straight and/or non-white people in general. The valiant efforts of a small contingency just not cutting it for him. It is surely to our loss that we're not doing more to appeal to this (self-)important demographic.
The fact he hasn't given any substance to his nonsense is telling.
It's our World Cup performances, isn't it?
Another protest in Galway tonight. It's worth noting that none of these are bring organised in any central way. Once again the Twitter/Telegram folks heard about it last.
Around the use of Ballybrit as an accommodation centre? That news was announced on the 23rd May, and on the very same day regular organizer of agitation Dara O'Flaherty was using Telegram to communicate various plans for how to get it blocked:
https://twitter.com/EamonnVIDF/status/1660935966985531392
Again, probably there are locals turning up because they feel concerned, but very recognizable heads from protests all round the country definitely seem to be contributing to spreading the word and setting the tone from the very outset.
There's almost no mention of it on Telegram or Twitter. Dont think that lad had much to do with it and there is nothing like what he describes happening. Don't actually follow him myself. Can't see him in this photo either.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/lynseymooney33/status/1663885527496417280?s=20)
Ballybrit. Have the refugees/asylum seekers not been through enough.
Quote from: hellfire on May 31, 2023, 03:58:37 PMThere's almost no mention of it on Telegram or Twitter. Dont think that lad had much to do with it and there is nothing like what he describes happening. Don't actually follow him myself. Can't see him in this photo either.
Twitter (https://twitter.com/lynseymooney33/status/1663885527496417280?s=20)
In the replies to that, someone asking about the organisers and how to make contact with them:
https://twitter.com/SeanieCosti/status/1663888640802430977
Quote- Follow Dara o flaherty on telegram
- I know Dara, is he involved?
- Yea
- Thanks I'll contact him now
That exchange involves a 'Toby' who describes himself like this:
QuoteToby
@ThoughtsToby
The seeds of fire at the heart of all true Gaels has been disturbed. 🇮🇪🔥🔥🇮🇪 All my tweets are opinions. pro Irish, anti communist. based af 🇮🇪🇮🇪
Brief visit of his profile shows RTs of 'Gavin Pep', who was very present at Sandwith Street, and our old friends at Gript.
As we have to repeat to ourselves in my line of business all the time; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
I know Toby well, lovely chap. Toby is better connected than anyone else on Twitter. He had no idea it was happening. Turns out that Dara O' Flaherty lad is involved and also local. These are local pop ups without outside influence.
O'Flaherty is incidentally from Galway, so "local pop up not organized centrally" can be conceded on a technicality. More importantly though, he's a rampant source of misinformation and fear mongering, saying about Ballybrit that it represents "10,000 criminals" coming to Galway over the next few years.
Whose to say he's wrong? Current policy left unchecked virtually guarantees that. Arguing with you and others like you is kind of irrelevant these days. Nobody wants them in their area. Everyone knows that the promised women and children rarely arrive and you're left dealing with a poorly behaved sausage fest.
Quote300 criminals will get houses every four months from just the installation in Ballybritt. That's 10,000 criminals and their "family's" installed in Galway in a decade.
This innovative money making scheme will generate huge revenue for criminal la[w]yers, hospitals, insurance companies, corporate prisons and super cops with machine guns on every corner and 15 cameras on you every where you go.
https://t.me/DaraOFlahertyGalway/1155
If your response to all that is still "Who's to say he's wrong?" and not "Perhaps nothing this loon says is reliable," then yes it is irrelevant arguing with people like me who value reality.
Quote from: hellfire on May 31, 2023, 05:23:16 PMWhose to say he's wrong? Current policy left unchecked virtually guarantees that. Arguing with you and others like you is kind of irrelevant these days. Nobody wants them in their area. Everyone knows that the promised women and children rarely arrive and you're left dealing with a poorly behaved sausage fest.
My eyes must be deceiving me as every "foreign person" I see has bundles of kids hanging off them.
Edit. Also I do know plenty of people that dont want them. But I equally know plenty of people who have no problem with them. They'd be more in my way of thinking its failed government housing policy over the last 20 years aligned with the 250000 vacant houses in the country that makes up most of the issue. And Putin.
All I read was what you posted.
"That's 10,000 criminals and their "family's" installed in Galway in a decade."
This part I agree with, maybe just the 10,000 imported criminals bit. Not only possible but likely. Lol yeah, your connection with reality is questionable at best. You can talk all the nonsense you want and it changes nothing. 75% of people think we've taken in too many and 76% (I think) agreed that they found protests understandable. Your stupid opinions are becoming less relevant by the day.
This one lad who I don't follow or interact with being sane or not doesn't concern me. Most leftist marches in this country over the last ten years look like a poster encouraging people to take their psych meds. My original point still stands. These aren't centrally organised by any one group or party.
Quote from: Ollkiller on May 31, 2023, 06:18:01 PMQuote from: hellfire on May 31, 2023, 05:23:16 PMWhose to say he's wrong? Current policy left unchecked virtually guarantees that. Arguing with you and others like you is kind of irrelevant these days. Nobody wants them in their area. Everyone knows that the promised women and children rarely arrive and you're left dealing with a poorly behaved sausage fest.
My eyes must be deceiving me as every "foreign person" I see has bundles of kids hanging off them.
Edit. Also I do know plenty of people that dont want them. But I equally know plenty of people who have no problem with them. They'd be more in my way of thinking its failed government housing policy over the last 20 years aligned with the 250000 vacant houses in the country that makes up most of the issue. And Putin.
Foreign person does not mean asylum seeker. Could be on any number of visas. More than twice as likely to be an adult make than an adult female.
There's a report at the end of the page (https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-11-08/845/) You'd have to be very lucky to have the woman and child only bus pull up.
Double post. Not sure why
Quote from: hellfire on May 31, 2023, 06:46:10 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on May 31, 2023, 06:18:01 PMQuote from: hellfire on May 31, 2023, 05:23:16 PMWhose to say he's wrong? Current policy left unchecked virtually guarantees that. Arguing with you and others like you is kind of irrelevant these days. Nobody wants them in their area. Everyone knows that the promised women and children rarely arrive and you're left dealing with a poorly behaved sausage fest.
My eyes must be deceiving me as every "foreign person" I see has bundles of kids hanging off them.
Edit. Also I do know plenty of people that dont want them. But I equally know plenty of people who have no problem with them. They'd be more in my way of thinking its failed government housing policy over the last 20 years aligned with the 250000 vacant houses in the country that makes up most of the issue. And Putin.
Foreign person does not mean asylum seeker. Could be on any number of visas. More than twice as likely to be an adult make than an adult female.
There's a report at the end of the page (https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-11-08/845/) You'd have to be very lucky to have the woman and child only bus pull up.
So its very close to 2 to 1 in male to female. Tbh with all the bleating on about it I presumed it would be a lot higher percentage of male to female.
Percentage sounds about right.
Optics are all wrong though. Ukrainian women and children does not equal Jordanian men basically, yet somehow now it does. I've met a few Jordanian lads, not many tbf, but imagine your average glenroe watcher trying to take all this in.. most of you are missing the reality altogether and how it might impact differently on different demographics
How many live in cities Vs rural areas? The effect of that difference can't be underestimated, for right or wrong.
Quote from: hellfire on May 31, 2023, 06:28:45 PM75% of people think we've taken in too many and 76% (I think) agreed that they found protests understandable. Your stupid opinions are becoming less relevant by the day.
I ain't contesting poll results or the lay of public opinion, which is evolving. I
am saying that a considerable amount of that opinion is shaped by 1) gross misinformation and scare-mongering by variously motivated mooks, and 2) the government caring more about developers than citizens (or anyone else). Based on that, I maintain that the lion's share of public agitation is being both misdirected and, to a degree that suits the government down to the ground, appropriated by loons. You came on hoping to show that one protest was a proper grassroots thing, but it turns out it was organized by a local member of a circle of loons that includes Gemma O'Doherty, who has recently gone full "Hitler was actually great, we've been lied to." So, the misinformation is real and the government's lack of concern for the people is real. And if the extent of both were truly grasped by the citizens of Ireland, then we'd be seeing a lot more demonstrations, albeit of a very different sort.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2023, 08:38:40 PMPercentage sounds about right.
Optics are all wrong though. Ukrainian women and children does not equal Jordanian men basically, yet somehow now it does. I've met a few Jordanian lads, not many tbf, but imagine your average glenroe watcher trying to take all this in.. most of you are missing the reality altogether and how it might impact differently on different demographics
How many live in cities Vs rural areas? The effect of that difference can't be underestimated, for right or wrong.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2023, 08:38:40 PMPercentage sounds about right.
Optics are all wrong though. Ukrainian women and children does not equal Jordanian men basically, yet somehow now it does. I've met a few Jordanian lads, not many tbf, but imagine your average glenroe watcher trying to take all this in.. most of you are missing the reality altogether and how it might impact differently on different demographics
How many live in cities Vs rural areas? The effect of that difference can't be underestimated, for right or wrong.
Ya I'm from rural area and of course throwing a load in can cause tensions. I find most settle grand in the end. I just cant stand this anger that's directed at them. Protest Fine Fail/Fine Gael. The reason the countrys this way is totally om them.
I'd agree that the migrant centres are not the ideal place to be but you could stand outside the Dail 'til kingdom come and nobody would entertain you. If it was done properly all of these isuues could be handled by the local TD's. In spite of what our resident communist will try to tell you most of these people were not radicalised by lies on the internet. All of these protests will stop once some sort of confidence is brought back to the immigration system. I can actually count seven lads I've encountered who want Ireland to be exclusively white Irish. Just because they exist does not negate the people who have legitimate concerns. Terms like "legitimate concerns" are frequently scoffed at by degenerates who use the word 'fash' in every day conversations.
That 'fash' thing genuinely grinds my gears too.
https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/06/18/rishi-sunak-mocks-trans-women-leaked-video/
How will this play out, will it make him more or less popular? Getting his pitch in early perhaps?
Wouldn't you be absolutely knackered with trying to keep up with all the things that are offensive
Dermot Kennedy would be anyway.
???
:laugh:
https://www.snopes.com/articles/464807/minor-attracted-persons-flag/
Can someone tell me what the verdict of this snopes thing is? The way I'm reading it, they're saying that there is a flag for pedos. Tbf that wouldn't be a bad development at all if adults who fancied kids were all going about waving a flag to tell you about it.
https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2023/jun/13/elizabeth-gilbert-russia-book-snow-forest
This lemon is pulling her new book from its publication schedule because, wait for it, it's set in Russia. Ha ha, what a spastic😂
You'd think she had written a sweet biography of Putin, but no, apparently it's a book about resistance to the Soviet gov in the mid 20th century set in Russia. So now you can't even mention Russia now. Great, clap clap spasticfanny.
Ah jaysus. She was definitely one of those who poured the vodka down the sink when the war broke out
Guess we can't play Tetris either
Quote from: astfgyl on June 22, 2023, 08:00:57 AMAh jaysus. She was definitely one of those who poured the vodka down the sink when the war broke out
This is the weird thing; she obviously wasn't one of them, as she would have been working on said novel at the time. It was after getting hassle from people like that that she decided to pull it. Working out great for her anyway; multiplied her public profile tenfold at least with this "stunt"
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 22, 2023, 06:59:01 PMQuote from: astfgyl on June 22, 2023, 08:00:57 AMAh jaysus. She was definitely one of those who poured the vodka down the sink when the war broke out
This is the weird thing; she obviously wasn't one of them, as she would have been working on said novel at the time. It was after getting hassle from people like that that she decided to pull it. Working out great for her anyway; multiplied her public profile tenfold at least with this "stunt"
That's a good point. It takes a clever person to play the fool
Do the stories about kids identifying as cats in schools doing the rounds have any legs to them? If it is true I imagine it's Just kids seeing how far they can push things. Maybe they should get nurtured?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on June 23, 2023, 07:01:37 PMDo the stories about kids identifying as cats in schools doing the rounds have any legs to them? If it is true I imagine it's Just kids seeing how far they can push things. Maybe they should get nurtured?
AFAIK it's true and in my mind it's exactly that, that kids are just pushing all that for the craic. As a father of 5 I know the attitude of the kids to it all and thankfully they aren't as stupid as they look about all this lark
From the mouths of kittens.
Here's an interesting write up on mcentee and the support for the new laws. If you want to attack the source instead of the point, Twitter awaits you because I fucking don't. What a wonderful example of manufactured consent, which is also worth a read in light of how the consent for joining NATO is currently being manufactured.
Here anyway: https://gript.ie/mcentees-hate-speech-article-is-grasping-at-straws/
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/6b22e-minister-mcentee-obtains-high-court-order-requiring-the-retention-of-data-for-state-security/#
This should offend some people. Not enough of them though.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on June 23, 2023, 07:01:37 PMMaybe they should get nurtured?
I take it you mean neutured...?
Ulster rugby is banned from Belfast Pride because they won't let men play in woman's rugby https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66133519
Terf bastards!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on July 07, 2023, 04:41:25 PMUlster rugby is banned from Belfast Pride because they won't let men play in woman's rugby https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66133519
Terf bastards!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
At this stage I just cheer on the lunacy. It will break eventually so the nuttier the better, just means breaking point is sooner. Just hope the pendulum doesn't swing back all the way and end up with homosexuals being chased around with pitchforks.
Think this sort of stuff does the trans community more harm than good. It's not JK Rowling, Ricky Gervais or anyone on twitter making people turn against the 'queer' community but the so called alies with this 'you're either with us or against so accept all these beliefs you nazi' attitude.
Like you said, hopefully it won't make people just get fed up with normal gay people.
100% I dong hold any of it against gay people in general, just the few that perpetuate this muck. I've said it before but they need to unhitch their wagon from the trans thing.
Quote from: hellfire on July 07, 2023, 07:18:07 PMQuote from: Kunt 4 Life on July 07, 2023, 04:41:25 PMUlster rugby is banned from Belfast Pride because they won't let men play in woman's rugby https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66133519
Terf bastards!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
At this stage I just cheer on the lunacy. It will break eventually so the nuttier the better, just means breaking point is sooner. Just hope the pendulum doesn't swing back all the way and end up with homosexuals being chased around with pitchforks.
All of this. Was worth the quote. The sillier the better at this point. Even the queer lads are getting sick of this shit. Not having the shit pushed in, but all the other trappings of the lifestyle.
Absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or trans for that matter but militant fools will be militant fools in every aspect
"I don't know if a baby is directly harmed by being "breastfed" by a man; the thing I find so disturbing about it is that a helpless infant is being used to affirm an adult's fantasy - it's just such a grotesque inversion of who's supposed to be caring for whom."
Came across that on Twitter and then to my horror saw what it was referencing. I think I was getting sort of PC and offended by it tbh. So even though I thought I was above all that for the most part, I'm actually not really. Will the new hate speech laws mean that I can't express my offense at something like that?
https://www.babycenter.com/baby/breastfeeding/can-men-breastfeed_8824
Also, because I like to hear a few sides of an idea, is there anyone here who thinks it's grand if a man is letting a baby suck his nipples and fancies setting me right on this and am I one of the pc and perpetually offended brigade because it bothered me so?
Lastly is this where we've ended up by trying to do the right thing by people in general?
Pandering to strange fantasy seems to be exactly what this is. A few years ago a man who insisted on breast feeding a baby would be sent to see a therapist to find out where his wires have become so crossed. In the age of Twitter bravery, those who know better are playing along because they know that by standing up for reality they'll get harassed by people who's opinions should probably never have been heard in the first place. The type of weirdos and narcissists who would struggle to hold down a relationship or friendship in reality because of their endlessly pushing their agenda/neuroses on everyone they encounter have found common cause with other loopers and taken the megaphone. Other than avoiding Twitter and ignoring these people when you encounter them in reality it's difficult to know how to deal with this issue. I think everyone who isn't a self obsessed warrior of the weird, regardless of their politics, can see how absurd it is to allow people who have severed all ties with reality to have any sort of control or power, even if it is only in an online context. Odd times.
Stand firm my brothers of metal! Just like nu metal, this pc shite will pass!! :abbath: :abbath:
Hardly a revelation but it's surprising how irrelevant much of this "noise" becomes if you abstain from social media. Think it was about a year ago when I decided to deactivate some of my accounts. I've no doubt my sanity has benefitted as a result. As has been already said, the majority of sensible people don't buy into most of this bullshit but social media gives you such a skewed perspective on things that this doesn't seem to be the case.
Quote from: John Kimble on July 10, 2023, 04:16:32 PMHardly a revelation but it's surprising how irrelevant much of this "noise" becomes if you abstain from social media. Think it was about a year ago when I decided to deactivate some of my accounts. I've no doubt my sanity has benefitted as a result. As has been already said, the majority of sensible people don't buy into most of this bullshit but social media gives you such a skewed perspective on things that this doesn't seem to be the case.
Yup. That's it in a nutshell.
Yeah it's true that. If I just go about my business IRL I don't really encounter any of this lark. And tbh I don't give a fuck about 99 percent of it. I mean get your pipe cut off all you want really because I'm far more concerned by the likes of the electric bill and the price of food than whether someone wants to do that lark and best of luck if it helps with their mental illness and whatnot but I have to draw the line at saying it's grand for some fucking weirdo to have a baby sucking a man's nipples for his synthetic milk induced by a cocktail of drugs with fuck all nutrition. That's where all this goes too far I think.
Again I suppose how many grains of sand make up a pile of sand and there's a boundary there even though no-one knows what it is.
Saying all that I've yet to meet a man who got a baby to suck his nipples so it is certainly amplified by social media far beyond its prevalence in reality. Goes for many many things and I should also be voting with my feet and pressing the "not interested in this" button instead of annoying myself because at the end of the day as I was saying up above, I'm becoming the very brigade this thread is about, just at the other end of the scale.
Still reckon no-one will come on here and defend that nipple sucking though
Well let's not be too hasty. Did he have sexy nipples?
My ears and nipples are burning.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 11, 2023, 01:20:44 AMWell let's not be too hasty. Did he have sexy nipples?
Hard to tell from the pic.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07/03/14/72794421-12258633-image-a-8_1688391435246.jpg)
Jesus fuckin christ. Glad he got cancer.
Breath of fresh air from way back in 2007 here. Was woke still just "political correctness" then? Well, whatever it was, the trans "debate" hadn't been rolled into it yet, and so an article like this--looking at male lactation simply as an empirical, documented, rare but quite well-understood phenomenon, and not primarily as a stance in a political engagement--was still the most normal and expected way for the subject to be treated:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-males-can-lactate/
Christians, I ask thee, if god did not want us to squirt milk, why give us nipples?
Blessed are the cheese makers.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 11, 2023, 10:21:14 AMBreath of fresh air from way back in 2007 here. Was woke still just "political correctness" then? Well, whatever it was, the trans "debate" hadn't been rolled into it yet, and so an article like this--looking at male lactation simply as an empirical, documented, rare but quite well-understood phenomenon, and not primarily as a stance in a political engagement--was still the most normal and expected way for the subject to be treated:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-males-can-lactate/
https://www.babycenter.com/baby/breastfeeding/can-men-breastfeed_8824
I was waiting for you to come out in support.
There's the link from my original post. This is not how that happened in this case either. This case was chemically induced, which you might like to try checking out some details on before defending it because it's not a great hill to make a stand on.
Before we go on, there's also a picture of the same person knocking around with nipple clamps on, pulling the chain. Careful what you're defending.
In support? Defending? I went to pains to lay out the possibility of talking about male lactation, whatever the cause may be (though all causes appear to boil down to increased prolactin production), as merely an empirical fact of nature. You can do whatever you want with the content of the article which talks about it in just that way, without taking any kind of political stance. And if you feel obliged to have a political opinion on some randomer ITV decided to put on the news, you can use the refreshingly neutral "pre-woke" content of the article to nuance that opinion. Or not. It's up to you how political versus empirical you want to be in your opinions on *checks notes again* male lactation. Prior to discovering this story 100% exclusively "thanks" to you sharing it here, I never felt I needed to have a political opinion on male lactation. And I still don't.
Yeah, you're milking it now, astfgyl :)
https://www.angrymetalguy.com/voidmilker-labyrinthical-review/
This just popped up on my feed. Appropriate band name.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 11, 2023, 02:08:11 PMIn support? Defending? I went to pains to lay out the possibility of talking about male lactation, whatever the cause may be (though all causes appear to boil down to increased prolactin production), as merely an empirical fact of nature. You can do whatever you want with the content of the article which talks about it in just that way, without taking any kind of political stance. And if you feel obliged to have a political opinion on some randomer ITV decided to put on the news, you can use the refreshingly neutral "pre-woke" content of the article to nuance that opinion. Or not. It's up to you how political versus empirical you want to be in your opinions on *checks notes again* male lactation. Prior to discovering this story 100% exclusively "thanks" to you sharing it here, I never felt I needed to have a political opinion on male lactation. And I still don't.
You do realise I already had a link up about male lactation and that link was in no way politically bent? You might have missed that in your eagerness to point out something I'd already pointed out. Did you by any chance read the link I posted before attempting to educate me on it?
You're saying you don't have a political opinion on males lactating? Well neither do I on them lactating in itself they can lactate to their heart's content.
QuoteBreastfeeding is freaky. Not the sucking bit. You're reading The Stranger, so odds are you've had a titty sucked at some point in your life. No, it's because when my baby attached to my breast, there was an incredible chemical cascade that ran through my entire body like lightning. Imagine the most electric thing a partner has ever done to you, then multiply it by 10. I could feel my brain rewiring, creating pathways that would permanently connect me to my child. (And yeah, I kind of got off on it. Don't judge.)
Before it all gets too complex.
I did look at the article you posted. The one I posted had the merit of not even mentioning the trans issue, as it was written before this had been blown out of all proportion, and is also more comprehensive and "serious" in tone. But I wasn't replying to the content of the article you posted because you're making two strong claims that the article either doesn't back up or doesn't mention, so it would be better if you posted a source for those claims: 1) Low intrinsic nutritional value of milk produced by men (no evidence for this that I have seen; lower quantity produced, yes, but this happens in many women too - some mothers simply can't lactate - and formula is used to supplement); 2) Supposed danger to baby of the treatment used to stimulate prolactin production being passed to them in breast milk (the science on this seems inconclusive, since the drug in question, domperidone, has already been widely trialed in women with problems lactating: https://www.breastfeedingnetwork.org.uk/factsheet/domperidone/). Are the sources you got those claims from also more empirical than political? If so, great, there'll be something to learn from them.
But now, just to confuse what you actually care about (though do you genuinely care about any of it?), you throw in a tweet (?) from a transwoman who has lactated and says she got off on the feeling of it. And hey, you know what? I have no fucking clue what it feels like as a biological male to lactate. Maybe it is orgasmic! Ain't no one here got any frame of reference to claim otherwise. But, no surprise at all, if you look it up, you'll find plenty of reports from mothers breaking the taboo and saying that, on a physiological level, yes, some of them do have sensations of sexual arousal from breast-feeding. Lock them up!
That wasn't a tweet, it was from an article from some Seattle based newspaper that seems to be LGBT leaning. I don't care about trans stuff really in general and the original point is that the man/woman using the baby as a prop in their fantasy is something that abhors me and is another week intentioned step along the road to hell.
The domperidone (motillium for anyone unfamiliar, which is contraindicated for anyone with heart issues or is on any blood pressure meds) is but one of a few things given to induce lactation in people. I will go back and find the info of the other stuff in a bit.
I also find it a bit sick too now you mention women getting sexual pleasure out of it.
I must be a prude and easily offended
Ah Chris, take a day off would ya. You literally sap the life out of every single thread you post in.
Is it possible for men to lactate?
Evidently, yes in some cases.
Is a bloke, dressed as a woman, breastfeeding a child weird?
Yes.
Weird is fine though, no problem with weird. Nature, biology, is weird. And fascinating. Even the biology of disgust! But conflating weird with harmful, that is not fine. And excusing harmful isn't fine either. But it can be awful difficult to identify real harm with all the noise. Like whose kids will be more fucked up later on? This baby? Or the kids of home-schoolers? Whole load of false "care" about harm to a baby none of those "caring" now will give a shit about if years down the line it gets bullied on the basis of the parents it has. In fact, it'll probably be kids of those now "caring" doing the bullying.
But jesus christ, if only you were "literally" right Kimble and I had ever managed to sap the life out of this interminable thread! :laugh:
Andrew Tate interviewed by Tucker Carlson, platformed and boosted by Elon Musk. Tate rolling out discourse that could have been lifted direct from 1915 KKK promotional film Birth of a Nation, just wrapped up in the not-at-all more subtle language of "high-testosterone 3rd worlders" invading the west. Baby's sucking male nipples appearing weird is one thing, but this kind of shit is quite literally promoting directed street violence, since apparently western white men need to beef up and physically protect their women from the invaders. Carlson, about the least "high-testosterone" man you could imagine, chuckles and smarms along in agreement, surely coming all over himself in the presence of someone with the kind of super-heated testicles he loves.
If you want stuff that's scientifically ludicrous, roll up, roll up, eugenics is back with a bang from the mouth of a moron with a reach of hundreds of millions :D
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/ricky-gervais-in-dublin-intolerant-nasty-grossly-offensive-and-11000-people-laughed-along/a1516836906.html
I was wondering how long this would take :laugh: . I saw him on Tuesday and he was great. The material definitely would have offended a few that post on here.
Paywalled but I get the gist. If someone's stupid enough to go to Ricky Gervais and be surprised that they're offended, then they've no reason to be out in public at all.
Quote from: Carnage on July 13, 2023, 05:21:12 PMPaywalled but I get the gist. If someone's stupid enough to go to Ricky Gervais and be surprised that they're offended, then they've no reason to be out in public at all.
Thankfully its behind a paywall as its bollocks anyway. Rag of a paper. Oh I'm offended. Fuck off.
Written by Barry Egan, a serious journalist if ever there was one. Cut his teeth covering the heady days of Lillie's Bordello back in the late nineties. An absolute hack who would gladly fawn over the likes of Gervais in a social setting, presumably he didn't get a press pass or something.
Quote from: John Kimble on July 13, 2023, 06:06:38 PMWritten by Barry Egan, a serious journalist if ever there was one. Cut his teeth covering the heady days of Lillie's Bordello back in the late nineties. An absolute hack who would gladly fawn over the likes of Gervais in a social setting, presumably he didn't get a press pass or something.
And the cunt who did that John the Baptist "documentary" about Delaney. How the fuck does he still have a job?
Speaking of Lillie's plus other recent shenanigans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB4nyELdKxs
:laugh:
Dunphy bang on the money there.
Shame on Alexa
QuoteAmazon has been accused of sexism after its Alexa voice assistant was unable to respond to a question about the Lionesses' semi-final victory at the Women's World Cup.
When asked on Wednesday "for the result of the England-Australia football match today" it said there was no match.
"This was an error that has been fixed," an Amazon spokesperson said.
Academic Joanne Rodda said it showed "sexism in football was embedded in Alexa".
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 13, 2023, 11:42:08 PMSpeaking of Lillie's plus other recent shenanigans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB4nyELdKxs
:laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: good man Dunphy
Possibly a new low for the so called bastions of racial virtue:
https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/profile/nadeine-asbali
https://dorseteye.com/exclusive-lucy-letby-was-enabled-to-continue-to-kill-babies-because-of-racism-and-racists/
And a retort the the above for those interested:
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/tom-slater-no-baby-murderer-lucy-letby-was-not-enabled-by-whiteness
Jesus fucking christ. Clutching at nonexisent straws there.
Fair point. It's long acknowledged that Jack the Ripper's whiteness allowed him to blend into Victorian London, carrying out his killing spree undetected.
Search for Nadeine Asbali's other articles for a life of outrage :laugh:
Quote from: stearl on August 23, 2023, 06:39:48 PMPossibly a new low for the so called bastions of racial virtue:
https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/profile/nadeine-asbali
https://dorseteye.com/exclusive-lucy-letby-was-enabled-to-continue-to-kill-babies-because-of-racism-and-racists/
And a retort the the above for those interested:
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/tom-slater-no-baby-murderer-lucy-letby-was-not-enabled-by-whiteness
If it was a black or a Muslim the Sun would have had a big mugshot and a headline along the line of 'The Face of Evil'. Fuckin BBC omitted the hospital directors comments where he said "they could have gone to the police any time, didn't need to report it to us"
Spiked are Trotskyist contrarians used to be called the Revolutionary Communist Party
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 23, 2023, 08:35:49 PMSearch for Nadeine Asbali's other articles for a life of outrage :laugh:
I don't think my white fragility could handle that at all. :-[
Quote from: 91/30 on August 23, 2023, 09:07:42 PMIf it was a black or a Muslim the Sun would have had a big mugshot and a headline along the line of 'The Face of Evil'. Fuckin BBC omitted the hospital directors comments where he said "they could have gone to the police any time, didn't need to report it to us"
Like this one?
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-2a970e34-19b2-4bf6-8c19-038cffb25852.png
Quote from: stearl on August 23, 2023, 09:14:16 PMQuote from: 91/30 on August 23, 2023, 09:07:42 PMIf it was a black or a Muslim the Sun would have had a big mugshot and a headline along the line of 'The Face of Evil'. Fuckin BBC omitted the hospital directors comments where he said "they could have gone to the police any time, didn't need to report it to us"
Like this one?
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-2a970e34-19b2-4bf6-8c19-038cffb25852.png
That's only "wickedness".
Quote from: 91/30 on August 23, 2023, 09:29:05 PMThat's only "wickedness".
Apologies - here's the evil one.
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-2624ccf9-1cf0-43c2-ae98-563c93242fc1.png
Anyway, I think we can all agree on the absolutely appalling nature of the murders and litany of ineptitude shown by the various parties involved - white privilege or not.
While I don't think it's a race thing necesarilly, during the trial I did see a lot of people online who reckoned she was innocent, which I reckon came down to her being so 'normal looking'.
I see a beaut from the far right here claim she's a patsy to cover up big pharma corporations killing those premature babies. Right yeah, they also faked her journal entries I suppose. Christ there's some conspiracy nutjobs in this country.
Will be interesting to see if he follows up on the threat. Those new hate speech laws proposed are beyond ridiculous.
Tweet (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1694439520517624064?s=20)
Quote from: stearl on August 23, 2023, 10:09:49 PMAnyway, I think we can all agree on the absolutely appalling nature of the murders and litany of ineptitude shown by the various parties involved - white privilege or not.
As bad as mens prisons are all over the world being sent to a Woman's for murdering infants is going give her a very short life expectancy. I am sure plenty of prison guards will be more than willing to accidentally leave a door unlocked or get distracted when moving her through the prison.
I saw Ian Watkins got some justice handed down to him a few weeks ago.
Quote from: hellfire on August 24, 2023, 10:57:51 AMWill be interesting to see if he follows up on the threat. Those new hate speech laws proposed are beyond ridiculous.
Tweet (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1694439520517624064?s=20)
Ben Scallan must have absolutely creamed himself when he saw Musk RTing some of his shite.
I imagine he was pleased with one of the best known people on the planet drawing attention to his work. Not to mention publicising one of the most oppressive pieces of legislation put forward since the Catholic church had a say in things.
What's shite about Scallan actually asking tough questions of the political class exactly? Better than fuckin rte asking the minister for justice how she's settling in with the new baby or whatever. She can save that for rsvp magazine or wherever else one puts stupid fucking questions like that
Shite:
https://public.substack.com/p/soros-funded-ngos-demand-crackdown
Soros angle clearly clickbait, nothing sourced about him inside. None of the data sourced. Typical shite from Scallan. That word again: shite. None of which is defending the hate speech laws, just calling shite shite.
The whole thing is on YouTube. Watch it yourself.
Wonder how his missus is getting on with the new baby
It would appear that Elon Musk has agreed to do an interview with him :laugh: BSC, thoughts?
An interview with who? What thing on YT? Sorry, I've only a quarter of an eye on these things.
The entire Soros Q&A he mentioned in the article. Elon has agreed to do an interview with Ben Scallan on Twitter.
Quote from: hellfire on August 25, 2023, 01:27:02 AMThe entire Soros Q&A he mentioned in the article. Elon has agreed to do an interview with Ben Scallan on Twitter.
That's probably enough for a lot of people to write it off without hearing a word of it. Glad someone is highlighting how fucking stupid this country is all the same, even if they are pissing into the wind
https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1695108011767767114?t=5hYMfgE62WFHsaF47t5q9g&s=19
There's Scallan again the evil bastard asking actual questions.
Jaysus the political class are fucking painful to listen to. I despise them all.
Rubiales
Anyone following the Alice Cooper fiasco?
The faux outrage and hysteria on his social media channels really are something. In all honesty were his comments that hurtful or damaging?
Everyone knows it's a fad and an incredibly dangerous fad at that. He just upset the new religion is all. The church of the woke adherents are significantly more deranged than most of their theistic counterparts.
Dangerous is the word. Look at Grahame Linehan, cancelled and ruined. I know Grahame has his issues but his sentiments were largely reasonable I thought. It's gas, he's accused of promoting hatred yet you'd want to see the comments from the woke brigade on his site "glad your wife and children left you" etc. Despicable.
Also I did laugh at one comment on Coopers Instagram, one genius claimed 50% of his fan base are trans or have trans tendencies (???????) and he's just alienated that percentage.
It's important to keep in mind that the overpowering majority of this ire is coming from people who have nothing to do with trans people. In another life these same people would have been acting pious outside a church every week.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on August 27, 2023, 04:48:20 PMDangerous is the word. Look at Grahame Linehan, cancelled and ruined. I know Grahame has his issues but his sentiments were largely reasonable I thought. It's gas, he's accused of promoting hatred yet you'd want to see the comments from the woke brigade on his site "glad your wife and children left you" etc. Despicable.
Clearly you have no idea how mild that is compared to the bile he's come out with. He is another Gemma, quite simply. And also is not at all directly involved with the issues. Just a busybody. A very bitter, now mentally disturbed busybody
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on August 27, 2023, 04:16:59 PMAnyone following the Alice Cooper fiasco?
The faux outrage and hysteria on his social media channels really are something. In all honesty were his comments that hurtful or damaging?
Yeah I caught that but it seems to have died down again (he does have a new album out Friday past).
I think he was spot on. Its become a fad but when kids get involved when They're so young it's bad craic.
I remember seeing this clip of an English couple (who wore Kiss and Metallica Tshirts, I think Download editions) who had 2 boys and a Third child who was a girl and about 3 years old. They were raising the girl as a boy, cutting the hair short, giving her a boy's name and treating her as such. They believed she was trans as she was into 'boy stuff '. The fact that she had 2 older brothers who she wanted to play with and do what they do never seemed to occur to these fuckwit parents.
My sister was a teacher in South America for a bit and there was one pupil who thought she was trans and wanted to use male pronouns and be a boy. A year or two later she settled on being a lesbian. Lucky she didn't get the tits cut off.
Graham Lineman is completely off the deep end, mind gone, in pursuit of whatever the fuck he's at basically unprompted at every opportunity.
If you're using him as a measure for someone unfairly cancelled I'd say ask yourself some questions.
Bit fucking rich of Alice Cooper, et al, the epitome of gender-bending rockstars, to be taking such stances also imo. I do find it weird how so many otherwise ultimately libertarian folk decide to double down on this shite when it comes to whatever people are doing with their own bodies. Whatever.
Keep spouting lads. The reign of transgender lunacy has about a year to eighteen months left in it. Hopefully a reasonable and sensible accommodation in society can be made once the madness is over.
I don't mind, and am pretty resonant with, genuine concerns over fixist attitudes to gender, including gender affirming surgery, etc., in infants/minors. But I also know how to separate out issues, which most folk seem incapable of. Like, if your genuine concern is the well-being of kids then don't mix in scare BS about rapes in toilets: those two issues are logically unrelated. I mention this as Linehan is obsessed with the latter (evidently since it gives him the excuse that he's concerned about women, although no one fucking asked him to speak for them) and also cos I see Alice Cooper also blended the two together.
I think kids should be given space to express themselves, always have. Let a girl dress and play like a boy or vice versa. But you know who historically has not been okay with that? Has not allowed that kind of natural behavior to be expressed? That's right, those who are now saying it's normal and shouldn't be taken for gender dysphoria. I agree, but fuck them all for the landscape they helped create. So, very similar to my views on the pro-life movement: too little too late too disingenuous.
When this fad passes and it is starting to, the same governments who authorised gender affirming care and irreversible treatments for minors are going to have a terrible case to answer. The people who foisted these views on children on the remote chance that one of them might be trans will have a lifetime to think about their reprehensible behaviour. The fallout in terms of damaged and castrated individuals suffering will outlive me. Everyone propagating this nonsense knows in the back of their mind what they are doing is wrong.
All anyone has to do to kill that argument is ban transitioning for under 18s. Its that simple. After that if they want to do it well then they're considered an adult so whatever like. They'll have to live with it.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/09ebb340-451e-11ee-be2e-24f758bd7727?shareToken=eb26bed927e79543c20703c386364e19
Somewhat more music related than the last couple of posts.
Quote from: stearl on August 28, 2023, 01:53:07 PMhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/09ebb340-451e-11ee-be2e-24f758bd7727?shareToken=eb26bed927e79543c20703c386364e19
Somewhat more music related than the last couple of posts.
I wonder will we ever reach peak stupidity? It has seemed for a while that we might but the more it goes on I'm thinking that there is no peak to it.
Imagine say, banning aran jumpers for non Irish and that's how fucking stupid that one is
I'd say we're already there with the 'maths is racist' shtick to be honest.
Deleted my Twitter account yesterday solely after seeing Musk courting that Gript media shower and then asking about when our elections are. Cue a few posts of "what manner of interference is he planning" and a shit ton of blue tick lads saying sure wouldn't it be grand to get him involved, wouldn't his money go a long way to a few parties here and suddenly the absolute density of it hit me. Richest man in the world having a new pet interest or little toy with irish politics based entirely off what Scallan has told him.
A site packed to the rafters with paying contrarians and disinfo artists peddling their fuckin wares for outrage clicks, the entire site is a gish gallop being blasted into my mind 24/7 and it is rotten. Bot fucking central too. I don't want to read this shit anymore. Whether it happens or not I couldn't be fucked with any of his shit any more so the only way out is off of it.
Anyway I'm just giving out, 15 years on there and plenty of friends on there I will miss interacting with, it is just very severely not for me anymore.
Quote from: Carnage on August 28, 2023, 05:00:05 PMI'd say we're already there with the 'maths is racist' shtick to be honest.
Ah jaysus I forgot about that one :laugh:
Quote from: ochoill on August 28, 2023, 05:05:03 PMDeleted my Twitter account yesterday solely after seeing Musk courting that Gript media shower and then asking about when our elections are. Cue a few posts of "what manner of interference is he planning" and a shit ton of blue tick lads saying sure wouldn't it be grand to get him involved, wouldn't his money go a long way to a few parties here and suddenly the absolute density of it hit me. Richest man in the world having a new pet interest or little toy with irish politics based entirely off what Scallan has told him.
A site packed to the rafters with paying contrarians and disinfo artists peddling their fuckin wares for outrage clicks, the entire site is a gish gallop being blasted into my mind 24/7 and it is rotten. Bot fucking central too. I don't want to read this shit anymore. Whether it happens or not I couldn't be fucked with any of his shit any more so the only way out is off of it.
Anyway I'm just giving out, 15 years on there and plenty of friends on there I will miss interacting with, it is just very severely not for me anymore.
:'(
That's one less real person I have on there now.
Soon it'll be just me and all those new account women that keep following me but never post anything
Quote from: astfgyl on August 28, 2023, 04:40:12 PMQuote from: stearl on August 28, 2023, 01:53:07 PMhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/09ebb340-451e-11ee-be2e-24f758bd7727?shareToken=eb26bed927e79543c20703c386364e19
Somewhat more music related than the last couple of posts.
I wonder will we ever reach peak stupidity? It has seemed for a while that we might but the more it goes on I'm thinking that there is no peak to it.
Imagine say, banning aran jumpers for non Irish and that's how fucking stupid that one is
Metalfests would be totally ballixed... Sure all the studs and leather was appropriated from the gay community :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on August 28, 2023, 05:14:15 PM:'(
That's one less real person I have on there now.
Soon it'll be just me and all those new account women that keep following me but never post anything
:laugh: your own little only fans harem.
At least I can pick up the phone and argue the toss with you so it's grand lol
Quote from: astfgyl on August 28, 2023, 05:12:26 PMQuote from: Carnage on August 28, 2023, 05:00:05 PMI'd say we're already there with the 'maths is racist' shtick to be honest.
Ah jaysus I forgot about that one :laugh:
Maths is racist?
And what is culturaly appropriate clothing?
Quote from: ochoill on August 28, 2023, 05:05:03 PMDeleted my Twitter account yesterday solely after seeing Musk courting that Gript media shower and then asking about when our elections are. Cue a few posts of "what manner of interference is he planning" and a shit ton of blue tick lads saying sure wouldn't it be grand to get him involved, wouldn't his money go a long way to a few parties here and suddenly the absolute density of it hit me. Richest man in the world having a new pet interest or little toy with irish politics based entirely off what Scallan has told him.
A site packed to the rafters with paying contrarians and disinfo artists peddling their fuckin wares for outrage clicks, the entire site is a gish gallop being blasted into my mind 24/7 and it is rotten. Bot fucking central too. I don't want to read this shit anymore. Whether it happens or not I couldn't be fucked with any of his shit any more so the only way out is off of it.
Anyway I'm just giving out, 15 years on there and plenty of friends on there I will miss interacting with, it is just very severely not for me anymore.
Going to do the same once I get back home. I've been holding out for the sake of promoting my research, since Twitter has been a huge platform for academics for years now, but that just doesn't cut it as a moral apology anymore. Enjoying the slower pace and calmer vibes of Mastodon anyway.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on August 28, 2023, 05:41:09 PMMaths is racist?
https://twitter.com/rose_k01/status/1652949294880813057?s=20
Surely that's a parody. That woman must be taking the piss.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 28, 2023, 06:06:10 PMGoing to do the same once I get back home. I've been holding out for the sake of promoting my research, since Twitter has been a huge platform for academics for years now, but that just doesn't cut it as a moral apology anymore. Enjoying the slower pace and calmer vibes of Mastodon anyway.
The few things that kept me holding on were for posting my guitar pedals - which I do significantly more of and get more sales vs. posts on IG so no loss - and for band promo/spam, which is also better served elsewhere. I have a handful of Third Island promo posts to do for two months on and off so I left that page there for now just to mirror IG posts, but I'll delete that soon after and not using it otherwise.
Quote from: jobrok1 on August 28, 2023, 05:28:25 PMMetalfests would be totally ballixed... Sure all the studs and leather was appropriated from the gay community :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Shhhhh don't tell everyone :laugh:
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on August 28, 2023, 06:27:31 PMSurely that's a parody. That woman must be taking the piss.
I dunno about that one in particular but the idea has been floated about for a while in a serious fashion. Must file it away with racist gardening
Quote from: ochoill on August 28, 2023, 06:28:58 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 28, 2023, 06:06:10 PMGoing to do the same once I get back home. I've been holding out for the sake of promoting my research, since Twitter has been a huge platform for academics for years now, but that just doesn't cut it as a moral apology anymore. Enjoying the slower pace and calmer vibes of Mastodon anyway.
The few things that kept me holding on were for posting my guitar pedals - which I do significantly more of and get more sales vs. posts on IG so no loss - and for band promo/spam, which is also better served elsewhere. I have a handful of Third Island promo posts to do for two months on and off so I left that page there for now just to mirror IG posts, but I'll delete that soon after and not using it otherwise.
Not to be too much of a cunt about it, but this is what all the Trump crowd were saying when the last chap was in charge, except they were going to gab instead of mastodon.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a social network where politics is banned in any colour. Religion as well could go and then leave the partisan stuff to the rest of the channels. I can't see it happening though as the Americanisation is too strong everywhere now and nearly everyone is one or the other. It's a pity that was the outcome of connecting everyone
Edit: for what it's worth I far preferred the old Twitter. The current version is really shit
Quote from: astfgyl on August 28, 2023, 06:36:36 PMNot to be too much of a cunt about it, but this is what all the Trump crowd were saying when the last chap was in charge, except they were going to gab instead of mastodon.
Fair, but I also have no fuckin interest staying there out of some bizarre counter point to prove I can outlast some strangers on a website. especially when I wasn't there as a counter to anything. I was just There. If leaving somehow furthers the (lack of, maybe) dichotomy of it all, it's someone else's argument to have because I don't care about being ultimately right or wrong with it, just being gone.
There was the "following" tab as well but to be fair I never use that one either.
Ever tried Gab? :laugh:
Is Gab still going? I was on it for a bit and it was terrible. Rabid Jew haters seemed to account for about 90% of posts.
I've avoided Twitter and all that stuff so far and it seems like it was a good decision. I get irritated by the shit I read and hear about the culture wars- it is designed precisely to get under your skin- but I can easily avoid it and life remains relatively normal.
Likewise. I only get exposed to this shite when I click on this fucken thread out of morbid curiosity. I don't understand why ye invite that shite into your lives and minds, lads. Life is grand and rational in the real world. Get that shit out of your heads for fuck sake.
I used to be able to enjoy the site and had my feed fairly curated with plenty of blocks, only engaging with what I wanted to see etc - for most of my time there I wasn't being fed any level of outrage, it was some odds and ends of Irish politics but mostly music and memes. Lately my blocks have been useless and paid content is being shoveled at me but it is all horrendous, total grift and lies. I never wanted that and it certainly wasn't what I signed up for, nor what I got for years. But it is designed that way and even more so now.
Contrasting to Instagram - which has its own issues - but has an algorithm that works so unbelievably well it gives me absolutely nothing blood boiling, because it knows I personally will engage more with that content than the other bollocks. I get music, gigs, art, and local pub & venue spam. Totally happy with that. As it happens I don't invite that shit into my mind and spend most of my week talking to actual people - but this is probably why I enjoy it here, sure yeah 3/4s of ye are randomers I never met but there's a common thread in us and a real world connection (and I have met a surprising amount of lads from here in real life).
I dunno anyway I agree with ye really and am just rambling now because it is on my mind.
I'll be the first to admit that I pay more attention to these culture wars issues more than is good for me. That said working in tech and being in the rental market the last few years these issues are in no way abstract to me. The majority of them (including the trans thing) have come up for me in daily life. I often pine for the days I worked in bars and people were real and normal. I found lads who had devoted their lives to drinking to make more sense than than a lot of the loonies that infest HR departments now.
Yeah I was the same with Twitter, kept to following a few music, football, and webcomics, but the last few months is just spam about outrage shite I've no interest in, so got rid of it a few weeks ago
To be honest I'm pretty much done with social media, never had instagram, and only keep Facebook around for a couple of music groups and gig updates
Quote from: hellfire on August 29, 2023, 11:10:37 AMIs Gab still going? I was on it for a bit and it was terrible. Rabid Jew haters seemed to account for about 90% of posts.
that's exactly what's there. I thought it wasn't too bad for about a week when I was looking at art pages and stuff but the other shit wasn't long creeping in so I gave it up straight away
Anyone heard about this Dispatches documentary on Channel 4 tonight? They're doing an investigation into (so far unspecified) behaviour by famous UK comedians. Russell Brand has already come out saying it's about him and denying what they're going to accuse him of.
Makes you wonder if he knew this was coming and his recent swerve into the world of alt-right youtube was a calculated move to gain support before the story even came out.
Be interesting to see what the allegations are though, and what proof if any do they have, you'd hope it would be solid if they're airing a whole documentary on it.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d4d93e74-5478-11ee-bc18-cbdd58145dc6?shareToken=6b8bc0b8fd52ac511a904a732ae8dda6
He looks like he's going to be pretty fucked after this evening's telly.
And not in a way he likes.
He's a bit of a wanker anyway.
Unless he gets a prison sentence, I don't think this will have any impact on his career, given the new "alt-media" persona he's created and the audience he's been more and more unambiguously gearing it towards over the last few years. Actually saw a revealing tweet about that aspect just a few days ago:
https://twitter.com/lewlewwaller/status/1702361149885300821
Ah brand was always a gimp with his booky wooky and shit. I'm not surprised that he was ripe for taking down in the mainstream, given he's their rival now.
What's he done anyway?
Accused of four rapes. Best day he ever had he was annoying.
Doesn't come across very good at all in the documentary. I like that they added a bit of his YouTube defense he put up only yesterday.
Was he not a bit of a leftie but I hear people say he's alt right now cause hes anti vax? (Don't keep up with his YouTube stuff). Surely you get anti vaxers on both sides?
Actually I don't get left and right stuff and all that politics bollox.
I have listened to him once or twice, either on his podcast when he has interviewed someone I like or when he has been interviewed himself on a show I follow. He is an interesting character, if often incredibly overbearing and a huge waffler. He has a lot to say, some of it sounds like wisdom which you would expect from somebody who has lived such a wild and action packed existence,buy much of it is verbal diarrhoea that makes your head spin.
Generally he comes across as having a very positive world view but if all of these allegations are true he deserves proper punishment.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 17, 2023, 01:03:33 AMHe has a lot to say.
I would disagree with this entirely, I have never heard anything approaching logic or sense coming out of iys maw in the 10/15 years I've been aware of it. Gibberish as a policy, throwing the word 'paradigm' into every other sentence does not make what you're saying suddenly valid.
I passed something on YouTube with the title "They're coming for me" presumably its implying a conspiracy. I don't care enough about that bearded bimbo to watch it.
I couldn't give a shit about Russell Brand. He seems to have lost the plot in recent years. If he did something illegal then he'll be punished and rightly so.
However - this is hardly fresh news - wasn't he boasting and then subsequently crying (on the treatment-trail portion of his career) about doing this sort of thing at the height of his fame with people lapping up how much of a hedonistic scoundrel he was? Or am I mistaken?
If only he'd written "Stairway To Heaven" or "The Jean Genie".
Surprised it took so long tbh
Exactly. He probably put the "they're coming for me" spin on it knowing it was coming. Even as someone who has no interest in showbiz this is the probably the most open secret since Saville.
Not a fan of Russell either never found him funny and his videos for the most part have clickbait headings. I didn't see the documentary but I wonder if he had of groomed an under age boy like Phillip Schofield did would he have gotten the same sympathy treatment from the media instead of what he is getting now.
Better question: If Phillip Schofield had spent most of his career making regular jokes about being a sex pest and had then been accused of violent sexual assault by the lad he "groomed", would he have gotten any sympathy treatment?
I wonder if being a deranged pervert is a hard requirement to be employed by the BBC? "Your CV looks great but we're just not seeing the required levels of sexual aggression. Call back when you've at least raped five people under 50, all in different age ranges"
If there's any conspiracy about Brand it's not "the power that be" trying to take him down for "telling the truth", it was managers, promoters and TV channels probably hushing his behaviour for years during his height to ensure they still profited from his success. I'm fairly sure when MTV fired him in the 90s for being a heroin addict his absolute cuntishness was no secret then either. Give him another 5 years and he'll probably make yet another comeback.
I think people have become so polarised that he'll have plenty of supporters and he'll be back in action in no time, please God.
Bit of January 6th inspiration in Dublin:
https://twitter.com/FergusPower1/status/1704431733700022393
What's that all about?
The yobbish element of the right decided they would have a day out. Doing more to fuck their own point than any leftist party or group could. Cunts.
Yer man Fergus Power is a headbanger - and not the kind that generally hangs about on this forum.
Quote from: hellfire on September 21, 2023, 10:07:49 AMThe yobbish element of the right decided they would have a day out. Doing more to fuck their own point than any leftist party or group could. Cunts.
They actually worked directly against themselves the fuckin eejits. Spectacular own goal
https://twitter.com/rumblevideo/status/1704584929026216118?t=eLs48rPlCl2V2yYqxcSa9w&s=19
Appropriate or not?
I'm thinking not and that's not in support of Brand, it's just a massive overreach as I see it. Way back in 2020 when David Icke was banned off twitter and YouTube I expressed similar concerns and I don't listen to him either but anyone who can't see the problem here is being wilfully blind.
Would like to hear some opposing takes if anyone has them all the same
Y'know whether or not you can hack Brand it's truly disturbing that ,yet again, all it takes is an allegation and you are tarred and feathered instantly or, in the parlance of our times, cancelled. Give the man his due process. Fuck sake have we forgotten Spacey and Depp already. The toxic masculinity train is full steam ahead it seems.
Went to see Kevin Bridges last night.
Onto the stage.
"Good evening, Cork! Haven't been here since before Covid. Great to be oot, eh? Back to normal. Everthin's back to the way it was before the pandemic. Celtic getting battered in Europe. Russell Brand back on prime time telly..."
:laugh: How was the show? Saw him last year and he was class.
New allegation complete with de facto laughed-off confession straight afterwards live on Radio 2:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66882644
I wonder how many times she's dined out on that story over the years, now she's saw her chance to make a few quid off it too.
Or not..?
QuoteBBC management was informed about the incident in 2019, but no formal action was taken.
Quote from: open face surgery on September 22, 2023, 09:47:47 AM:laugh: How was the show? Saw him last year and he was class.
Solid set. 90 mins-ish. He was filming for a DVD/Streaming special.
Had one or two heckles/shouts from the audience. One of which he worked beautifully into a call-back 10 minutes later in his actual act.
Back on topic. I don't think I've ever seen Russell Brand do stand-up. You have to wonder if he can recover from this an weaponise it, so to speak.
Louis CK is back filling arenas - I haven't watched any of his post-cancel shows. Not because of the incidents surrounding him, just that they're not on many streaming platforms.
Rogan and his cohorts in Austin are making a fine living out of being cancelled/on the edge of being cancelled.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 22, 2023, 01:07:08 PMOr not..?
QuoteBBC management was informed about the incident in 2019, but no formal action was taken.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 22, 2023, 01:07:08 PMOr not..?
QuoteBBC management was informed about the incident in 2019, but no formal action was taken.
Fair enough, didn't see that. I see Lorraine Kelly has come out with something he said about her too....15 years ago
Brand is a dick. We all know this and won't be especially surprised if he is guiltful or guiltless.
The Internet is being cleansed of dissent is what's the issue. Well it's not fully there but it's only about a year off before nobody can say anything against whatever is the narrative. Not just the Web either, it's the desire to demonitise somebody without due process and people agreeing because it's not them this time.
What will you do when your thoughts are the wrong ones? You will get your turn
The internet is not being cleansed of dissent. Musk openly welcomes, indeed exclusively encourages, what you would deem "dissenting" voices (generally speaking the voices of wealthy grifters selling snake oil in one form or another) on his platform. Brand's latest video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQxQF6nFts) essentially constitutes a deceptive and self-interested advertisement for Rumble, so he and they and "dissent" in general will be fine on that front. YouTube hasn't, as Brand claims, "censored" him by demonetizing him; they demonetize videos left, right, and centre. And maybe that's a sign in itself that YouTube needs more competition. Well, they're getting it. Win-win, no?
The whole "in a year no one will be able to say anything against whatever the narrative is!" schtick is itself a narrative. A narrative shaped in the main by a host of grifters down the last few decades. Almost all of whom are still doing just fine out of their grift.
You'll be grand anyway saying everything the un wants to hear.
I see zelensky and trudeau have upset some Canadian Jews with the latest promo stunt on the zelensky world tour. I'm sure there's the usual three sides to the story but on the face of it, it looks like somebody somewhere really didn't think it all the way through
Upset Jews!!!!!!
Jesus, that's very unusual.
They're usually so thick skinned and hard to offend.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on September 25, 2023, 10:04:17 PMUpset Jews!!!!!!
Jesus, that's very unusual.
They're usually so thick skinned and hard to offend.
Tbh it's not the upsetting of Jews that's the funny part here, it's more that virtue signalling reached its logical conclusion in the Canadian parliament the other day when they gave a standing ovation to an actual member of the ss for fighting the Russians during wwii. Yep this is how stupid things have actually gotten.
Anyone see it? It's amazing
I see it man.
When an ideology is built on a foundation of absurdity it can't but get more absurd with each course of blocks that's built upon it.
The result is an ideological wall so unstable that the only sane remedy is to sack the builders, demolish it, and rebuild on sounder footings.
Did they forget the Russians were on our side back then? :laugh:
This is the inevitable result of putting flags in one's bio and placing virtue signalling over engaging the brain. As The Son has said up above, tear down the wall and sack the builders. Applauding an actual nazi because he's Ukrainian...
Good lord
Now I hope this will be a lesson to all the virtue fucks everywhere, but it won't.
But they are all absolute spastics and if anyone here is one of them, well that's you as well
Cultural Appropriation is back out of fashion I see.
https://twitter.com/runews/status/1706754680896860651?t=Kp0WZ08auHK2nTgZJVHz6w&s=19
:-X
Quote from: astfgyl on September 27, 2023, 05:49:47 PMCultural Appropriation is back out of fashion I see.
The Villiers School video? Some headcases getting Irish children to mouth such inane shit.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 27, 2023, 08:54:25 AMQuote from: son of the Morrigan on September 25, 2023, 10:04:17 PMUpset Jews!!!!!!
Jesus, that's very unusual.
They're usually so thick skinned and hard to offend.
Tbh it's not the upsetting of Jews that's the funny part here, it's more that virtue signalling reached its logical conclusion in the Canadian parliament the other day when they gave a standing ovation to an actual member of the ss for fighting the Russians during wwii. Yep this is how stupid things have actually gotten.
Anyone see it? It's amazing
Have you not seen yet Trudeau has already sorted it out. He just came out and said it was the fault of Russian propaganda and disinformation.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 27, 2023, 05:49:47 PMCultural Appropriation is back out of fashion I see.
I should've known but I had to learn.
Ahaha, that school video is incredible :laugh:
What's that about, not seeing anything online.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1706762158481285437
Jesus ta fuck, where do you start?
Fuck sake :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on September 27, 2023, 05:49:47 PMCultural Appropriation is back out of fashion I see.
Oh, I dunno...
https://www.outkick.com/native-american-group-sues-washington-commanders-wants-redskins-name-back/
Quote from: noodles on September 27, 2023, 10:09:32 PMhttps://twitter.com/i/status/1706762158481285437
Zombie alert
Yeah that's the cultural appropriation falling right back out of fashion there indeed
Bit like this bbc3 comedy sketch
https://twitter.com/bbcthree/status/1396511745137512450?t=Yvx664B96wh0K_G0CTsBGw&s=19
The thing is, are we supposed to side with the customer or are we supposed to back the hairdressers for sticking it to the racist white woman?
Such a complete load of bullshit. Unbelievable :laugh:
The school video was better. They should send a pitch to the BBC.
When I first saw this edit I thought the person sharing it had made it to make JP look bad. But no, apparently it was his own team:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1707151044902310281
Good to see conservatives showing their true colours again though, making everything about being elite, outright calling people without a general third level education "stupid" and "counterproductive lumps." Whatever turns the handle of the grift machine I suppose. Maye we should get in on it and start a Metal Warfare Academy. MWA. Micks Wit Attitudes.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2023, 10:47:46 AMWhen I first saw this edit I thought the person sharing it had made it to make JP look bad. But no, apparently it was his own team:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1707151044902310281
Good to see conservatives showing their true colours again though, making everything about being elite, outright calling people without a general third level education "stupid" and "counterproductive lumps." Whatever turns the handle of the grift machine I suppose. Maye we should get in on it and start a Metal Warfare Academy. MWA. Micks Wit Attitudes.
The part of the video where he goes when you reach the higher echelons of society its filled with people who know a lot about everything..... Is it fuck. It's mostly bullshitters who know how to bullshit efficiently.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 29, 2023, 11:58:20 AMhow to bullshit efficiently.
Right. Which is precisely what one stands to learn how to do at Peterson Academy :laugh:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/six-figure-households-sleeping-in-cars-wa-s-housing-problem-20230929-p5e8ma
No amount of bullshit degrees from the JP Academy will help here. Perfect example of "What's the point"
How did the undersupply of housing affect so many different countries? Familiar with the causes here, but it seems to be a global phenomenon. I'm normally the first one to blame immigration for everything but that's an aggravating factor and not a root cause.
I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet about Gymnastics Ireland:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66937302
It's absolutely terrible for the kid, but I find it extremely difficult to believe this was a racist snub, that someone would be so stupid to bring this on themselves with cameras galore around the place.
On seeing the video it seems a genuine mistake after trying to untangle medal ribbons, which are a pain at the best of times, let alone when at a big event, long line of kids and the pressure is on. On a side note, it's hard to see how they expect to maintain their identity when their faces are plainly displayed in the interview and in the event video.
Anyway, it seems to be totally glossed over that the person handing out the medals said in an e-mail immediately after:
In it she apologised to the family for upsetting "you and your lovely child", saying she was very nervous, that it was a genuine mistake. "When I realised my mistake," she said, "I ran back to get your lovely child a participation medal and apologise".
So she ran back and corrected her mistake and apologies there and then. Now that e-mail didn't get to them until months after as GI failed to pass it on due to a number of reasons (possible legal action is cited!), but surely the kid relayed to her parents at the time that she got her medal with an apology for the oversight.
After the mediation the parents formed the opinion the medal giver is racist, but give no insight into how they formed that opinion, despite now seeing her e-mail. Surely it would be racist to focus on whether or not one specific minority got their medal - it could just as easily happened to another kid on the line it seems to me. And got damn she did go back and give out the medal and apologise, but that's still glossed over. (Christ, now that I think of it, how many times have my own kids missed out on something being passed out for whatever trivial reason?? Was it racist by a potato muncher to pass over a junior potato muncher?)
SO this is the next thing I saw today:
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0929/1408040-gymnast-mother/
So now they want volunteers, who give up so much of their personal time each week for absolutely nothing, now have to spend more of their own time away from their own life and family to ensure they treat people differently, to ensure they are treated the same (if ya catch my drift!).
Volunteer training for adults is for dealing with kids, full stop. It's not for historically native kids, new native kids, new kids on the block, nothing different whatsoever.
Volunteers go through training to fully respect and protect all kids. We go through child protection courses, consider different scenarios that might impact on kids. Volunteers do other training to help deliver programmes in their field, organise weekend events etc. This might take up 3 full weekends of a year at least, part weekends maybe 8 times a year, and one night/day 40 times a year, and then deal with paperwork, communication outside of that on their own time, long into night time when they should be spending time with family, getting sleep or attending to work duties.
And now people want volunteers to give up yet more of their time. Here's a suggestion - become a volunteer yourself and help change things form the inside if it's found to be needed, but at the very least see if there's actually an issue inside the organisation first.
I and any adult volunteer I've ever worked with treat everyone equally and with respect, but if some shit like this became compulsory then you'd have people saying enough is enough, look after your own kids, we've spent enough time giving and now we're out of here >:( You wouldn't even start the training where you'd be warned of possible civil action for inadvertently insulting someone where genuine apologies and mistakes will count for nothing. :'(
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2023, 10:47:46 AMWhen I first saw this edit I thought the person sharing it had made it to make JP look bad. But no, apparently it was his own team:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1707151044902310281
Good to see conservatives showing their true colours again though, making everything about being elite, outright calling people without a general third level education "stupid" and "counterproductive lumps." Whatever turns the handle of the grift machine I suppose. Maye we should get in on it and start a Metal Warfare Academy. MWA. Micks Wit Attitudes.
Do people actually pay attention to him these days? I was sure he was just some sort of scattergun guy with no particular point to make other than he's Conservative or whatever he is.
Quote from: Snare on September 29, 2023, 02:24:57 PMI'm surprised this hasn't come up yet about Gymnastics Ireland:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66937302
It's absolutely terrible for the kid, but I find it extremely difficult to believe this was a racist snub, that someone would be so stupid to bring this on themselves with cameras galore around the place.
On seeing the video it seems a genuine mistake after trying to untangle medal ribbons, which are a pain at the best of times, let alone when at a big event, long line of kids and the pressure is on. On a side note, it's hard to see how they expect to maintain their identity when their faces are plainly displayed in the interview and in the event video.
Anyway, it seems to be totally glossed over that the person handing out the medals said in an e-mail immediately after:
In it she apologised to the family for upsetting "you and your lovely child", saying she was very nervous, that it was a genuine mistake. "When I realised my mistake," she said, "I ran back to get your lovely child a participation medal and apologise".
So she ran back and corrected her mistake and apologies there and then. Now that e-mail didn't get to them until months after as GI failed to pass it on due to a number of reasons (possible legal action is cited!), but surely the kid relayed to her parents at the time that she got her medal with an apology for the oversight.
After the mediation the parents formed the opinion the medal giver is racist, but give no insight into how they formed that opinion, despite now seeing her e-mail. Surely it would be racist to focus on whether or not one specific minority got their medal - it could just as easily happened to another kid on the line it seems to me. And got damn she did go back and give out the medal and apologise, but that's still glossed over. (Christ, now that I think of it, how many times have my own kids missed out on something being passed out for whatever trivial reason?? Was it racist by a potato muncher to pass over a junior potato muncher?)
SO this is the next thing I saw today:
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0929/1408040-gymnast-mother/
So now they want volunteers, who give up so much of their personal time each week for absolutely nothing, now have to spend more of their own time away from their own life and family to ensure they treat people differently, to ensure they are treated the same (if ya catch my drift!).
Volunteer training for adults is for dealing with kids, full stop. It's not for historically native kids, new native kids, new kids on the block, nothing different whatsoever.
Volunteers go through training to fully respect and protect all kids. We go through child protection courses, consider different scenarios that might impact on kids. Volunteers do other training to help deliver programmes in their field, organise weekend events etc. This might take up 3 full weekends of a year at least, part weekends maybe 8 times a year, and one night/day 40 times a year, and then deal with paperwork, communication outside of that on their own time, long into night time when they should be spending time with family, getting sleep or attending to work duties.
And now people want volunteers to give up yet more of their time. Here's a suggestion - become a volunteer yourself and help change things form the inside if it's found to be needed, but at the very least see if there's actually an issue inside the organisation first.
I and any adult volunteer I've ever worked with treat everyone equally and with respect, but if some shit like this became compulsory then you'd have people saying enough is enough, look after your own kids, we've spent enough time giving and now we're out of here >:( You wouldn't even start the training where you'd be warned of possible civil action for inadvertently insulting someone where genuine apologies and mistakes will count for nothing. :'(
Saw that story. It's dumb as fuck and shows once more that the demand for racism is outstripping the supply. I would contend that anyone looking for ways to be racially aggrieved is actually the one who's racist. I mean people could say that it might have been hurtful for the kid without mentioning the colour of them but of course they could have done that long ago when the thing actually happened.
More astroturfing from the ngo sector would be my best guess
Quote from: astfgyl on September 29, 2023, 06:09:16 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2023, 10:47:46 AMWhen I first saw this edit I thought the person sharing it had made it to make JP look bad. But no, apparently it was his own team:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1707151044902310281
Good to see conservatives showing their true colours again though, making everything about being elite, outright calling people without a general third level education "stupid" and "counterproductive lumps." Whatever turns the handle of the grift machine I suppose. Maye we should get in on it and start a Metal Warfare Academy. MWA. Micks Wit Attitudes.
Do people actually pay attention to him these days? I was sure he was just some sort of scattergun guy with no particular point to make other than he's Conservative or whatever he is.
I do. I found the academy idea interesting but how it pans out is another thing.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2023, 10:47:46 AMWhen I first saw this edit I thought the person sharing it had made it to make JP look bad. But no, apparently it was his own team:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1707151044902310281
Good to see conservatives showing their true colours again though, making everything about being elite, outright calling people without a general third level education "stupid" and "counterproductive lumps." Whatever turns the handle of the grift machine I suppose. Maye we should get in on it and start a Metal Warfare Academy. MWA. Micks Wit Attitudes.
The only useful takeaway from this video is that JP's daughter would get it
It will pan out as a more or less successful grift is how it will pan out. The man is BS central, on every topic I've ever seen him discuss. Though I also accept that university teaching faculties are likewise full of BS merchants. Anyway, whenever you hear JP talk about anything, you should be telling yourself there's a very high chance he's just pulling shit out of his hole and presenting it as fact:
https://twitter.com/thebadstats/status/1708923561052930217
He was mistaken on the employment history of the authors of one book he mentioned a few times so he's completely full of shit?
Given the 30 megabytes of scutter you've trotted out on here I thought you'd be more forgiving.
Yes, he pulled the authors' training background and occupation out of his hole (and then drew conclusions about the psychological make-up of the authors based on this erroneous information) just as, more seriously, he pulled out of his hole all but one of five of the conclusions the authors had drawn from their data. Plus those he invented weren't just slightly off, they were fantastically off: In place of the real data about the kind of male figures women sexually fantasize about, which was things like bodyguard, prince, boss, sheriff, etc., he gets surgeon right, but then adds vampire, werewolf and pirate :laugh: And then he draws conclusions about the psychological make-up of women on the basis of this almost wholly invented data. Sure don't let us stop ya there JP, you're flyin'!
When he speaks on, for example, climate the levels of BS are even worse. This example really just has the merit of being particularly easy to highlight.
:laugh: Looks like somebody is all geared up for a five pager. Good luck with that.
Quote from: hellfire on October 03, 2023, 01:47:09 PMHe was mistaken on the employment history of the authors of one book he mentioned a few times so he's completely full of shit?
Given the 30 megabytes of scutter you've trotted out on here I thought you'd be more forgiving.
Google Jordan Petersons grandma story. Fucking hell. Read it today. So wished I hadn't.
I wouldn't personally hold it against anyone that they shared a dream, regardless of the content, least of all a clinical psychologist (which, back then, was his only game). If anything, I welcome folk being more open about dreams! No, it's the way he reasons in his waking life that bothers me :)
https://www.politico.eu/article/fight-against-ussr-nazi-waffen-ss-trooper-yaroslav-hunka-world-war-ii-soviet-union-germany/
Paper never refused ink
Quote from: astfgyl on October 03, 2023, 09:10:09 PMhttps://www.politico.eu/article/fight-against-ussr-nazi-waffen-ss-trooper-yaroslav-hunka-world-war-ii-soviet-union-germany/
It's fascinating to see this brand of defense not only materializing in camp liberal but being moreover condemned for what it is by (not exclusively, but this is the fascinating part) the camp who in the past would have been most likely to roll it out.
They're Liberal when it suits them but for the most part they're simply authoritarians with a new handle. Modern political identities are a great insight into how the whole nazi gassing Jews shit got going in the first place.
The rehabilitation of nazi sympathisers is not how I saw virtue signalling panning out in the finish but then I mustn't have thought about it hard enough.
It's the high point of virtue so far as I see it anyway. I've given a week laughing at the whole thing and I'm still finding it funny.
There's no left and right anymore, there's traditional liberalism and authoritarianism more like it.
How did the left as I thought I was end up becoming this weird government approved just stop oil and cut your mickey off while your at it just don't protest about medical tyranny and massive wealth transfer and then go round singing the praises of massive soulless corporations that we all knew were bad until we had the shits put up us for 3 weeks and now we think they're heroes and deserve the Nobel peace prize while the money ploughed into their stupid invention could have been used to do good but instead we have a third world health service where they go on telly to tell people not to turn up to it still after 43 billion spent on locking up healthy people for fuck knows what while destroying small businesses but leaving the multinationals open to profit and lining the pockets of cronies in a fashion that would make 2008 blush but instead of being vilified it's actually celebrated and now there's mainstream supposedly serious articles telling us that there's nuance to being a nazi after screaming into our faces about killing grannies for 3 years while bought off governments worldwide socialised the funding of said shit products while privatising the profits from said thing that no-one wants anymore anyway like what the actual fuck is all this shit seriously type thing? Yeah how did all that become the left, I'd like to know because I thought it was supposed to be about doing things fairly giving people an equal chance helping the needy and stuff but no it's this bollix now instead and even worse there's plenty of folk willing to back it up.
Fuckin state of the lot of it.
The thing about the new religion is that it's already started to destroy itself. I had been of the opinion that it needed to be destroyed. Challenged definitely but the only force capable of destroying it is itself.
Anything so far away from logic and truth is destined to fail. Fantasies that coerce people into lies have a short shelf life. The UK seems to be retiring woke in the last few weeks. Not before time.
We'll see what fruit it bears, but I can't help thinking Rishi and co are over-estimating how much of their base want them coming out with De Santis style "Kicking woke ideology out of science" slogans. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see first if it boosts or further declines his approval rating.
The trans thing they kicked back on is something that most people are entirely sick of. It will be curious to see how the climate policy changes are received. They already know immigration controls are a big winner, but so far they haven't been able to gets handle on it.
I have a feeling that most of that shit is bluster to win votes and if they manage to form a government again, it'll just be the exact same shit all over again. We shall see I suppose, maybe they have listened to the regular Joe and Jane but I'd be extremely skeptical of anything any government says even when they say things I like the sound of. The marriage to big business isn't going to be annulled either way and esg scores won't be retired. I think they've just realised that calling everyone the far right isn't going to wash or deter people from voting for anyone with the tag so it's time for the carrot until the election and then the stick can come back out in earnest. Slithery oul bastards the whole lot of em
Quote from: astfgyl on October 04, 2023, 08:01:52 AMI have a feeling that most of that shit is bluster to win votes and if they manage to form a government again, it'll just be the exact same shit all over again.
Pretty much this, they'll say anything they think will get them into power, than anything else to stay there as long as possible while lining their pockets
I haven't been following British politics much lately but I believe they have a monopoly on power at the moment because of the ballaching stupidity of the opposition.
The Tories are scum. Labour arent much better. Their electoral system is fucked so you keep getting the same shyte every election.
This doesn't really qualify as a pet peeve per se but in the absence of a more appropriate thread...at my kid's Taekwondo class and one of the parents are wearing these
https://www.balenciaga.com/en-ie/speed-recycled-knit-sneaker-black-809638667.html
Now, I'm obviously not the target market for these (in my 40's) but what the absolute fuck. These are like something you'd wear with a wetsuit and people are paying the bones of €700 for them.
Quote from: John Kimble on October 06, 2023, 06:05:02 PMThis doesn't really qualify as a pet peeve per se but in the absence of a more appropriate thread...at my kid's Taekwondo class and one of the parents are wearing these
https://www.balenciaga.com/en-ie/speed-recycled-knit-sneaker-black-809638667.html
Now, I'm obviously not the target market for these (in my 40's) but what the absolute fuck. These are like something you'd wear with a wetsuit and people are paying the bones of €700 for them.
Pet peeve - people with more money than sense. ;)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/04/new-york-activist-ryan-carson-stabbed-brooklyn
I am sure people have heard about this story by now and seen the video. But a far left activist was stabbed to death in New York at the start of October. Because of who the attacker was his girlfriend (who was there when it happened) refused to identify him and all of his friends have said that the victim would feel sorry for the attacker because he would see him as a victim of a broken system. His friends have started a go fund me because they want to take time off work to mourn him no mention of any of the money going to his family or towards funeral costs.
Dont they get annual leave? fuck me thats a bit cheeky.
Brooklyn been an Irish spot I believe and the murder accused having a name like Brian Dowling - imagine my surprise when I saw the picture of the bould Brian
https://images.app.goo.gl/xfecVop9yvsw43bK9
Cultural Appropriation!!! :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
I see Australia has just had a referendum and the side that voted No has won by about 60%. Like Brexit the Yes side is calling the otherside racists and Nazis for not voting the right way. I'm not sure exactly what its all about but it's got something to do with giving aborigines a special place in government. Or something. I don't know, I'm an idiot regarding this stuff.
Eoin McLove is in Auz, if I'm not mistaken, can you throw some light on it?
Was reading a bit about that Australian thing here and there coming up to it without really getting into it but what I did see it looked like it was full of weird stuff.
I haven't been following it very closely but from what I understand it's about giving aboriginals more representation in government. They wanted to have a figure head/ figure heads in there to advise the government about their concerns. Something like that. As far as the Nazi name calling goes, well yeah, nothing new there! From what I could see there were a number of aboriginal spokespeople standing against it so the split is kind of messy and unpredictable. I think they want some kind of referendum and were concerned that if they got the "voice" voted through, it might become an impediment to the greater cause. Kind of a token gesture to keep them sweet without really giving them any real power. But I'm not totally up on it so don't take my word.
People have been calling each other queers and nazis since at least 1968
https://youtu.be/Ho9M-q_kcn8?si=pK5BQrS81EqvCdG9
You would say that, you queer nazi.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on October 14, 2023, 12:47:26 PMI see Australia has just had a referendum and the side that voted No has won by about 60%. Like Brexit the Yes side is calling the otherside racists and Nazis for not voting the right way. I'm not sure exactly what its all about but it's got something to do with giving aborigines a special place in government. Or something. I don't know, I'm an idiot regarding this stuff.
My bro is in Oz past 11 years. I asked him about it - he gave a few summary points ->
"Most simply see that there are already loads of aboriginal representative groups who also get a lot of funding and you'd see people saying they need an audit not another voice. Esp enshrinement of one group above others in constitution."
"One common reason spouted was enshrining racism into the constitution. Cost of living thing did not help as people were seeing real issues be ignored for this woke rubbish from an unpopular government."
"No where in South Australia has voted yes now - Really restricted to inner city rich areas. I'd say that's hand in hand with woke demographics and shows the political disconnect. Be similar everywhere in the western world."
"Northern Territory has 40% indigenous population in the electoral area outside Darwin - One of the strongest no votes. They obviously see the danger of losing out to a bigger single entity, big companies were hugely in favour of yes vote, could potentially go over local aboriginal tribes heads via the single "voice" entity esp when it comes to mining/land etc."
If you read the main headlines you'd swear it was more black and white.
Anyone see the video yesterday of that far left lunatic who drove into people at the RTE protest earlier in the year? Stephen Bedford I think someone on here said they worked with him before or knew someone who had worked with him. He was up on a second floor balcony of a building that he was apparently illegally occupying throwing stuff down on the Guards below who were trying to get inside to remove him.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 17, 2023, 12:52:19 PMAnyone see the video yesterday of that far left lunatic who drove into people at the RTE protest earlier in the year? Stephen Bedford I think someone on here said they worked with him before or knew someone who had worked with him. He was up on a second floor balcony of a building that he was apparently illegally occupying throwing stuff down on the Guards below who were trying to get inside to remove him.
He gives me a good laugh whenever he crops up tbh he's like the left wing version of the fuckin eejits that define the far right in this country
Quote from: mickO))) on October 17, 2023, 12:52:19 PMAnyone see the video yesterday of that far left lunatic who drove into people at the RTE protest earlier in the year? Stephen Bedford I think someone on here said they worked with him before or knew someone who had worked with him. He was up on a second floor balcony of a building that he was apparently illegally occupying throwing stuff down on the Guards below who were trying to get inside to remove him.
any links?? Im pretty sure I jam in the same place as him
The video was sent to me on whatsapp I haven't seen it online.
Greta Thumberg is being accused of being anti semetic and steering out of her lane by getting involved in the Gaza stuff.
Picture on twitter with her and chums with pro Palesteine placards, and there's a blue toy octopus that's precariously placed on one girls knee (I thought it was just purched on the back of a sofa but it's definitely being balanced on her knee).
Wasn't totally aware of the symbolism but its used in anti semetic cartoons and its placement there just seems...I dunno... a little deliberate. Maybe Thumberg had no idea and one of her handlers thought it would be a subtle joke that no one would notice.
It's apparently a toy to help autistic children which Greta has but she's no longer a child at 20 now and that awww cute little girl with autism trick isn't going to run anymore.
Maybe they're also used to communicate emotion to children and young people with autism, in the present case sending an unambiguous emotional message of anger. Apparently even less people know that a common symptom of autism is difficulty reading emotion than know that the octopus is supposedly a "well-known" anti-semitic trope! (I did not know this.) Either way, it's not on Greta's knee so her age, etc., is irrelevant to whether it "runs anymore", whatever that means in this context. I think the head-the-balls pushing this narrative, the likes of Ian Miles Cheong and others going so far as to call the cuddly toy a "kraken", would probably do better by going to get themselves diagnosed, since there is clearly something wrong with their minds too. Not a joke.
Fair play to Greta though, she's always been living the dream.
A test coming up that she hadn't studied for? Just call a strike to get out of it. Eventually leave school, and instead of having to get a job in IKEA, she gets to tour the the world on luxury yachts, first class trains, and not having to pay a penny for it. And then when it all ends, she'll have a lovely lucrative tour on the lecture circuit to look forward to, a la Bertie. :laugh:
Bernie is some buck. I was working at the gold mine on Lihir Island in New Ireland Province and opened the local paper and who but the bould Bertie is grinning out at me.
He was on nearby Bougainville been feted for sorting out the Peace Process between the BRA and the government. Ugh Ah up the bra.
Couldn't help but think the Scratch Saturday team would have got great mileage out of it.
Quote from: helmsa on October 19, 2023, 06:23:04 PMQuote from: mickO))) on October 17, 2023, 12:52:19 PMAnyone see the video yesterday of that far left lunatic who drove into people at the RTE protest earlier in the year? Stephen Bedford I think someone on here said they worked with him before or knew someone who had worked with him. He was up on a second floor balcony of a building that he was apparently illegally occupying throwing stuff down on the Guards below who were trying to get inside to remove him.
any links?? Im pretty sure I jam in the same place as him
This him? https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2023/1023/1412511-activist-courts/
Looks the spite of Bennings :laugh: -> (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/movie-monster/images/7/73/BenningsThing.png/revision/latest/thumbnail/width/360/height/360?cb=20180405023712)
36??? He must live a hard life. He looks 60.
And just like that, it's okay to say the Ukrainians are welfare tourists. Amazing neck from politicians and news outlets to actually pretend they didn't know all along while they called us all the far right for suggesting the obvious reality of what their policies were doing. How did they think they got the fuckin cars over here without passing through any other safe countries.
Anyway none of that will change going forward it's just that there's an election coming and other results from Europe aren't looking good for incumbent parties.
The reasons are many of course and for me I think largely economic but they can't really print any more money or provide economic stimulus after the covid years and whatnot so it's time for pretend populism in a last ditch effort to grab a few votes from those leaning a small bit right of centre (or anything other than extreme left tbh).
Watch those shape-shifting fuckers pretend that somehow now suddenly they have listened to the concerns of the citizens and can actually do something about something when they've actually been telling us all along that it's "International Obligations" that means they have to take any Tom dick or Harry that turns up unannounced and their hands and morals were tied.
Look now though suddenly it's in the mainstream discourse without so much as a mention of the fabled spectre of the far right in this country when in reality that foul spectre has long since been outed scooby doo style as being made up of about 4 unemployed lads in tracksuits who have no hopes of ever achieving anything other than to help the government spin the narrative du jour as suitable. Rent a mob shitehawks fulfilling their obligations.
It's in this thread instead of the fucked one or the peeves one because it's the pretend offence that actually got us to this point of not actually holding the political class to account ever and I see the road to here as having been inevitable once the PC shit and reality squared off against each other because one is a corporate push and the other is just what happens when people realise it's all actually worse for them.
Was anyone offended by the táiniste's comments by the way? I was, but for the sheer brazen insincerity of them.
Edit: here's another fucking stupid example that flies in the face of any notion of that fabled equality we're supposed to be striving for but didn't fancy another new post:
https://spunout.ie/life/your-rights/white-privilege
Quote from: The Butcher on October 23, 2023, 08:33:05 PMThis him? https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2023/1023/1412511-activist-courts/
Yeah :laugh: he is only in his mid 30's and he looks older than my father. I saw a thing that he is on run now and a bench warrant has been issued.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 25, 2023, 08:23:08 PMAnd just like that, it's okay to say the Ukrainians are welfare tourists. Amazing neck from politicians and news outlets to actually pretend they didn't know all along while they called us all the far right for suggesting the obvious reality of what their policies were doing. How did they think they got the fuckin cars over here without passing through any other safe countries.
Anyway none of that will change going forward it's just that there's an election coming and other results from Europe aren't looking good for incumbent parties.
The reasons are many of course and for me I think largely economic but they can't really print any more money or provide economic stimulus after the covid years and whatnot so it's time for pretend populism in a last ditch effort to grab a few votes from those leaning a small bit right of centre (or anything other than extreme left tbh).
Watch those shape-shifting fuckers pretend that somehow now suddenly they have listened to the concerns of the citizens and can actually do something about something when they've actually been telling us all along that it's "International Obligations" that means they have to take any Tom dick or Harry that turns up unannounced and their hands and morals were tied.
Look now though suddenly it's in the mainstream discourse without so much as a mention of the fabled spectre of the far right in this country when in reality that foul spectre has long since been outed scooby doo style as being made up of about 4 unemployed lads in tracksuits who have no hopes of ever achieving anything other than to help the government spin the narrative du jour as suitable. Rent a mob shitehawks fulfilling their obligations.
It's in this thread instead of the fucked one or the peeves one because it's the pretend offence that actually got us to this point of not actually holding the political class to account ever and I see the road to here as having been inevitable once the PC shit and reality squared off against each other because one is a corporate push and the other is just what happens when people realise it's all actually worse for them.
Was anyone offended by the táiniste's comments by the way? I was, but for the sheer brazen insincerity of them.
Look! Suddenly they're all singing off the same sheet. Make me fuckin sick the whole lot..
I see Aisling Murphys fella has managed to touch on all of the Far Right talking points without offending anyone on the left, strangely enough.
Even the usually very vocal national news sources are just sort of leaving those bits out.
Read the 'censored' bits there, I get he has a lot of grief but while I agree criminals (especially violent) ones shouldn't be allowed in, any sort of suggestion that immigrants or foreigners are inherently a danger is ridiculous. I don't believe in collective judgement, I found it distasteful when the girl had only been dead a few hours and you had the likes of Ruth Coppinger suggesting Irish men are a danger to women, and I find it equally distasteful when I read about that Irish lad a few weeks ago who livestreamed himself killing his step-mother, and people were practically praying that he was a foreigner.
That sort of demonisation doesn't end at immigrants either, it starts at foreigners, and then it gets directed at people on social welfare, then to people from working class areas, and so on.
I don't think he was suggesting at all that foreigners are inherently violent. That would be ridiculous. What he is saying is that this bum got to come here and contribute nothing but had everything handed to him, and he's one of many who are treated that way. I know loads of sound foreign lads around the place and they'd feel just as unhappy at the way things are done because they're working and paying their taxes and contributing in many ways.
That whole argument is easily fixed by authorities having some sort of entry and residency requirements other than turning up and being given everything. The way it is at the moment obviously doesn't work. Instead of shitehawks coming in and sponging like that we could have taken some useful imports in their place. Come here and work by all means I couldn't give a fuck where you're from.
The reason the media somewhat shied away from the comments there (somewhat) is because what it brings up is the obvious problem that we have here but are not seemingly allowed to deal with or properly discuss because of "International Obligations".
His point is fair as I see it. However, I agree that his point has been blown out of all proportion by all of the usual suspects on social media and as you say he has grief so will surely have said anything bad he could think of about the chap.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2023, 05:39:08 PMI don't think he was suggesting at all that foreigners are inherently violent. That would be ridiculous. What he is saying is that this bum got to come here and contribute nothing but had everything handed to him, and he's one of many who are treated that way. I know loads of sound foreign lads around the place and they'd feel just as unhappy at the way things are done because they're working and paying their taxes and contributing in many ways.
That whole argument is easily fixed by authorities having some sort of entry and residency requirements other than turning up and being given everything. The way it is at the moment obviously doesn't work. Instead of shitehawks coming in and sponging like that we could have taken some useful imports in their place. Come here and work by all means I couldn't give a fuck where you're from.
The reason the media somewhat shied away from the comments there (somewhat) is because what it brings up is the obvious problem that we have here but are not seemingly allowed to deal with or properly discuss because of "International Obligations".
His point is fair as I see it. However, I agree that his point has been blown out of all proportion by all of the usual suspects on social media and as you say he has grief so will surely have said anything bad he could think of about the chap.
Agree 100%. The government has failed one of its primary functions, to protest its own people.
Going forward they are going to have to introduce legislation and regulatory changes.
Has the Attorney General and High Court had anything to say about the current set up I wonder?
The point wasn't about immigrants being violent at all. I think he was more pointing to the sheer ingratitude of Puska who has had his entire family supported by the Irish taxpayer for a decade to repay that with raping and murdering one. He also questioned the sanity of bringing on other peoples criminals.
To answer my own question (and after a bit of googling)
The Immigration, Asylum and Citizenship Bar Association (IACBA) is pleased to announce its upcoming annual conference on Friday, November 24th, 2023. Leading legal experts, judges, and advocates will gather at the Distillery Building in Dublin 7, for a highly anticipated legal conference that will examine and discuss recent developments in asylum cases, changing judicial attitudes on the Irish citizenship regime, and notable European Court of Human Rights case-law. Rossa Fanning SC, Attorney General will lead such conversations as Chair of the conference.
The conference will be followed by a reception in the Sheds, Distillery Building.
Will be interesting to see any glimmer of sense out of that conference. Some Elements of the Australian immigration system need to be introduced quick smart.
That's all that needs to be done is something similar to the Australian idea or Canada where one has to work and not be a criminal to move there. Its just a silly free for all as it is. We have enough degenerates of our own without importing the dregs of other places. It shouldn't even be a hard thing to fix really and doesn't have to be racist or whatever other buzz words are used for reasonable discussion these days
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2023, 09:20:59 PMThat's all that needs to be done is something similar to the Australian idea or Canada where one has to work and not be a criminal to move there. Its just a silly free for all as it is. We have enough degenerates of our own without importing the dregs of other places. It shouldn't even be a hard thing to fix really and doesn't have to be racist or whatever other buzz words are used for reasonable discussion these days
Not much point in doing that when people are being let in with no documents. This has been happening in Canada for the last decade whats going on here. Illegals crossing the border into Quebec because Trudeau gave an open invitation back in 2016. I am just back from Toronto and the place has turned into a complete and utter shithole. It has been a year and a half since I was last there and the difference I noticed this time especially down town was staggering. It looked like when De Niro was driving through the streets of New York in taxi driver.
Well to get into ireland one requires a passport to board the flight here, so anyone arriving without them should be put straight back on the next plane to where they arrived from. Simple solution there.
The obvious answer is to restrict welfare to non citizens who don't have the required stamps built up. Gets rid of the pisstakers without having to inconvenience lads who are working. Deportations are pointless and expensive when you can just remove the incentive to be here.
A tragic case. Couple of things: Seems pretty weird to be implying that "ingratitude" to a host country is any kind of factor in a deranged individual's decision to murder a random woman. From what I gather, when he arrived in Ireland he worked on building sites for around four years until 2017 when he started claiming a disability pension having, he says, suffered a slipped disc at work. I'm sure the veracity of that claim could be debated (though I haven't seen any evidence that would warrant it), but in general I'd be opposed to introducing any kind of law that would see working immigrants kicked out of the country or financially crippled following disabling injury in the workplace. It may yet be possible to learn something about what led Puska to seek out murder that day. And whatever that might reveal would be of general interest to understanding what leads men, of any nationality, to similar acts. Acts which are very rare, it should be added. Around 90% of murdered women are killed by a man they know. Some right wing agitator was throwing out a statistic the other day that there's been five immigrants who've murdered women in Ireland over the last few years, without mentioning that in four of those cases the woman killed was also an immigrant, notably either the current or ex-partner of the murderer. The murders of those women are no different in nature to the too many annual cases committed by Irish men against their current or ex-partners, most of which we hear little to nothing about.
In short, I don't really see how the immigration angle usefully illuminates anything about Ashling Murphy's tragic murder.
Edit: Just reminded of a mate who's a qualified mechanic, badly threw out his back on the job and has been unable to work for years as a result. An experience which has done him no good psychologically. If there's a dimension of Puska's life in the lead-up to the murder, that might be a good place to start.
Those are fair points you've made. The fellas that are here and working shouldn't be punished. The problem is with people getting in. Once they're here and contributing they should have the same rights as I do. Not better not worse just the same. They should have built up some stamps before they get welfare etc, otherwise go back to where they came from and take the welfare there. It's not even a tough problem to solve and take the argument out of really
The point of what I laid out there is that the Ashling Murphy case evidently has nothing to do with the "problem of people getting in." Puska came to Ireland able to work and he got to working. So, talk about the case or talk about that problem, but don't mix them up, as they've nothing to do with each other. Her boyfriend gets a pass given the absolute emotional hoop he is surely in.
I think a lot of the argument against him being here was that he was an unemployable Slovakian nonce. Had there been any vetting a prior sex offence and no employment history would have weeded him out.
I'd agree to not use him as a representative of immigrants in general. But I do think that people who come here for welfare should leave.
He had sex with an underage girl when he was also underage. That didn't make him a "nonce" ffs. Jesus, the likes of you would be locking up teenagers left, right, and centre. Don't know what you mean by "no employment history"; any accounts I've seen say he worked on building sites before and after initially arriving in Ireland.
Immigration on the whole I find been a hugely positive experience for this country. But having checks on people entering the country, re criminal records, especially sexual offences is a no brainer imo.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 21, 2023, 01:30:40 PMHe had sex with an underage girl when he was also underage. That didn't make him a "nonce" ffs. Jesus, the likes of you would be locking up teenagers left, right, and centre. Don't know what you mean by "no employment history"; any accounts I've seen say he worked on building sites before and after initially arriving in Ireland.
Would he have been allowed into America or Australia with such an infraction?
Well, if you're going to oblige me to go and check:
USA:
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/imm_consequences_of_delinq_3.30.20.pdf
QuoteUnder federal law, juvenile delinquency is defined as the violation of a law committed by a person prior to their eighteenth birthday which would have been a crime if committed by an adult.
[...] It is well established that a juvenile delinquency adjudication does not constitute a conviction for immigration purposes, regardless of the nature of the offense. In Matter of Devison, the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) reaffirmed its longstanding rule "that juvenile delinquency proceedings are not criminal proceedings, that acts of juvenile delinquency are not crimes, and that findings of juvenile delinquency are not convictions for immigration purposes."
Australia:
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/character/character-requirements-for-australian-citizenship
QuoteThe spent convictions law allows people with minor convictions to disregard those convictions after a certain period of time.
A conviction may be considered spent if:
it is 10 years since the date of the conviction (5 years for juvenile offenders), and
the person was not sentenced to imprisonment for more than 30 months, and
the person has not re-offended during the 10 year period (5 years for juveniles)
So, yes and yes. Very unsurprisingly.
From the link you provided for the US have a read down further where it says a crime involving moral turpitude. Sex offences are covered in that definition. They're about as clear as mud, but no nonces need apply.
The Aussie link doesn't seem to have the text you quoted. However I'm pretty sure that sex offences don't constitute a "minor conviction".
You have to scroll down and expand the Convictions section to see the quoted text.
Regardless of the rest of your scrambling, a nonce is an adult and sex between "consenting" juveniles (as in, not forced, and the sources say there was no such claim) typically is a minor conviction, which would explain why Puska got probation for it. Or not even. Details aren't even clear: "Puska has no previous convictions, although he was cautioned for having sex with an underage girl when he too was below the age of consent in his homeland." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12765023/Ashling-Murphys-murderer-short-circuit-brain-killed-Jozef-Puskas-childhood-friend-speaks-remote-Slovakian-village-killer-left-brutally-stabbing-Irish-primary-teach-death.html
I can see you're really into the nonce word, but I hope you understand that if, for example, you shifted a 14 year old when you were also 14, that doesn't make you a nonce. You can let that guilt go.
:laugh: He's clearly not a lovely chap who accidentally killed a woman for sport. Cut the crap, we both know he wouldn't have made the cut for any country who screens potential citizens. I've seen highly qualified professionals fail to secure working visas to the US. As usual I'm not going to waste the evening on you.
I haven't said he's a lovely chap. He clearly had something seriously wrong with him. He was a person of interest in an assault in Prague, but that went no further. Maybe it was him, maybe it wasn't. Either way, nothing went on his record. Having moved to Ireland already, he was then also a person of interest in an assault in the UK. That also went no further, but, y'know, at this point if you start putting everything together, which no one was in a position to be twigged to, yeah, probably got a dangerous character here.
The standing point is this though: someone under 15 having non-forced sex with someone else under 15 doesn't make either of them a "nonce" and, depending on the actual details, which are unclear, there is no reason for that fact alone to constitute a formal immigration ban. How easy or not it is to secure a visa for a given country is another separate question again. Fackin' hell chap.
I'm not among them, as I was no riper than 18 first time I had sex, but I'm sure there's lads reading you here thinking, "Jaysus, thank fuck this lad isn't making the laws! I'd be in for it for life after what me and Una got up to round the back of the school disco in third year!"
IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD! :laugh:
Quote from: hellfire on November 21, 2023, 12:59:25 PMI think a lot of the argument against him being here was that he was an unemployable Slovakian nonce. Had there been any vetting a prior sex offence and no employment history would have weeded him out.
I'd agree to not use him as a representative of immigrants in general. But I do think that people who come here for welfare should leave.
A Slovakian Roma, a gypsy. Ireland has plenty of experience of these hard working, honest tax payers.
He'd be still digging footings but for the unfortunate work accident. Didn't stop him riding around on his bicycle anyway.
I read his legal team are trying to get him incarcerated in the sex offenders prison, he's not too keen on Mountjoy.
Cycling is one of the recommended activities for slipped disc :laugh: Carry on lads, just make the world anew from scratch with your invented facts.
All I'm saying is that there was nothing in this lads profile prior to him arriving that would have flagged him as an undesirable, barring the kind of draconian measures hellfire is suggesting, according to which half of the lads I know are "nonces" because they had sex before the legal age of consent in Ireland. Ludicrous nonsense.
Look lad, I know Romanian lads that would say the same about the roma lads. It's well known the carry on. You can pretend it's all fair enough etc and I do think that one bad egg like that shouldn't tar all the rest with the same brush. There's many many decent lads from all over the world living here and are actually contributing too but we are such a soft touch that it's an international joke. I get that you live out of the country and as much as it pains me to say it, you'd be the sort of lad that we'd happily take were you from somewhere else :P .
You can't take a place like this and throw unlimited cultures at it to the extent that there's no integration and then hope for the best with the social order and that everyone will be happy.
Some of the things I could tell here from where I work but I can't because I don't talk about work online in general but fuck me you don't know the half of the carry on and it's all since the Ukrainian floodgates were opened. Funny thing is, you'd hardly notice the Ukrainians and the few of them I know are actually sound enough lads but whatever loophole was opened for them has us over a barrel for every tom dick and Harry chancer from any part of the third world.
And look, I say things because I don't think it's right and i know nothing the government ever do is for the good of the Irish anymore and it's blatant but I've rang the garda station to speak to the chap from ipas in favour of a Zimbabwean person who I had the chance to help and I did help them when they were up against it and i had no reason to other than humanity. I'm not a total cunt and I could see this person was trying hard and working and contributing their tax same as myself and there's nothing wrong with that but there's going too far with one's kindness and there's a load of cunts we've gotten along with the rest so of something isn't sorted we may say good luck to whatever we all thought ireland ever was.
Treasure ireland isn't a made up term by the Irish either. It all needs tightening up big time.
Puska is not a typical example but the point made about him isn't a new one and needs fixing. Most of what we have are not actually refugees.
If in doubt, see Ukrainians going home for Christmas. If you go home for Christmas you are not a refugee and should fucking stay there or apply to come back in the regular non refugee fashion, with a job or a college place.
They can also vote in next years elections ->
https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1726656117449875854
"Everyone resident in Ireland can vote in Local Elections, regardless of nationality or visa status."
Puska, as you say astfgyl, is not a typical example. But the case is being instrumentalized as an argument against immigration way beyond the simple material fact that he was an immigrant. It's being used, as hellfire and world-renowned champion of women Conor McGregor are using it, as propaganda for immigration policy change. But in itself it's not a very strong case for this. So we'll just flesh out with distortions that very conveniently corroborate two core anti-immigration arguments: 1) That there are numerous criminals among immigrants and we're just letting them waltz in. 2) That immigrants come here with the aim of welfare scrounging and we let them.
Hellfire laid it out perfectly, but I've seen the arguments on social media too. Puska is an "unemployable Slovakian nonce" who's been on welfare for ten years, supposedly. In reality, he worked before he came and he worked for four years after he arrived, so the immigrant coming here for welfare angle is a stretch, and (a detail admittedly) he's only been on welfare six not ten years. But sure not to worry, this is about goals not facts, and he was a convicted criminal after all. Well, he had some kind of official juvenile warning because he had sex with a girl who was under the legal age while he too was under the legal age. That's the act that becomes "we let in a nonce" and the headlines plaster out "Puska was prosecuted for underage sex in Slovakia," conveniently omitting the detail that would make it plain that he was a juvenile himself at the time and therefore, at the very least, by definition, not a "nonce," whatever you might think about mutually underage sex being a serious criminal offense. Which none of the details indicate it was seen as in Slovakia, including that it may well have only been a caution, hence no record.
None of that grossly exaggerated detail helps with anything except further inflaming anti-immigration rhetoric.
It's unfortunate really that the whole situation has gotten to the stage of rhetoric due to mismanagement by the government. There's some reason they have it done so fuckin stupid for sure, probably lining their own and their pals pockets would be my guess. We didn't even need Puska to see it's ridiculous tbf. We have Ukrainians arriving from all over Europe for the Irish treatment and lads from countries not at war coming in on the same rules. I'm sure I've said all this long before Puska was mentioned anywhere.
The lads that are here are here now and we may deal with it but if we don't toughen up a bit on entry requirements it'll only get more ridiculous going forward and we will be a suburb of Africa or the middle East before long. I don't like the whole melting pot of culture being literally foisted upon us all over the country. Villages being overwhelmed with lads who really have nothing to offer except a drain on the welfare system isn't good for integration at all but we only have to go back 3 or 4 years and we had lads from all over the world just not to this crazy degree. Its the scale of it over anything else and outside of social media I don't know anyone who supports it anymore.
I keep saying it that it can be solved and it's terrible that the murder of that girl was what got the discussion out of the far right bracket.
We will have to do a run of "not all immigrants" shirts and an oul hashtag for the lads like the poor fools with the "not all men" ones when it happened. That poor girls murder has been politicised from day one
Allow me to explain what I meant by unemployable Slovakian nonce.
I have no doubt the poor man had to suffer the indignity of a few days work before retiring permanently on Irish benefits. It was not four years. I've seen nobody in media or otherwise make that claim. The end of this article mentions work in the Czech republic but not in Ireland. The fact that he can't have a conversation of any complexity in English speaks volumes about his commitment to work.
Irish Times Articke (https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/11/09/ashling-murphy-trial-jozef-puska-convicted-of-the-murder-of-23-year-old-offaly-teacher/)
His infirmity was not so debilitating as to prevent him from chasing down a physically fit young woman, subduing her and murdering her. Never mind the massive sprint away from the scene.
He is Slovakian.
Nonce is a derogatory term for sex offenders in Ireland and the UK. Joseph Puska has publicly stated that he is in fact a sex offender. Take him at his word. Nonce admission (https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/jozef-puska-used-past-sex-28136943)
Your commitment to talking shit is admirable. It even extends to defending the most reviled man in Ireland.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 22, 2023, 08:25:27 AMI don't like the whole melting pot of culture being literally foisted upon us all over the country. Villages being overwhelmed with lads who really have nothing to offer except a drain on the welfare system isn't good for integration at all but we only have to go back 3 or 4 years and we had lads from all over the world just not to this crazy degree. Its the scale of it over anything else and outside of social media I don't know anyone who supports it anymore.
Agreed - we should have as a country a direct say on this in terms of a democratic vote. These villages now have people that can vote in local elections and overwhelm the native population vote to a person of their choosing. That spells disaster to me. Some cultures are just incompatible with Western values and to not have proper checks/balances in place is completely insane and will led to huge changes within a one generation timeframe.
I'm not defending Puska at all. I just don't feel the need to make up stuff about him, which wouldn't help me revile him any more anyway since the central act is heinous enough. The point I'm making is that adding in the extra stuff is not aimed at making him a more repugnant figure, but rather at mobilizing arguments against immigration. That is their only purpose.
Puska, we're told, has been in Ireland for 10 years. We are told he suffered an injury in the workplace in 2017 and has been on a disability pension since then. Do the maths. Did he invent his injury? Maybe, who knows, but he worked, we are told, until 2017, having arrived in ~2013.
Nonce means pedophile. I take Brass Eye to be the authority on this, and you're talking nonce-sense :laugh:
You want to change immigration policy to prevent people "like Puska" getting in. I understand why: it turns out he was or at least became a twisted murderous man. Nobody wants twisted murderous men coming in. But Puska's profile prior to coming in was an able-bodied builder who lost his virginity earlier than Slovakia dictated to be legal, for which he got a caution/probation. You're playing up that offense as part of an argument to change immigration policy. But ironically, Irish prison authorities are playing it down, on the basis that he was a minor, precisely because they don't think he should be transferred to a sex offenders prison.
I want change immigration policy to prevent other peoples scraps occupying houses and eating up money. Its not like my stance on immigration started with his trial. I'll even admit that filth of his caliber is a rarity. Where did you get the 2017 date from? I literally can't see it anywhere. I will however state again, he would not have been admitted had we only been importing the good and the useful. And I will in no way retract my use of the term unemployable Slovakian nonce.
It's what he told the guards and confirmed in court. 2013 arrive in Dublin. 2015 move to Tullamore. 2017 injury on the job.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ashling-murphy-trial-live-updates-31342113
I've seen no pushback on this claim, which can be easily verified both by start of invalidity payments and files of GP who prescribed his painkillers. What there is no evidence for is the idea that he was unfit for work prior to or upon arriving, nor rapidly thereafter either. It's a red herring. And a dog whistle. Just like claiming he was a nonce, or even a sex offender. Would you opportunistically consider a gay man arriving from a Muslim country to be a sex offender due to him falling foul of particularities of laws about homosexuality in his home country? Actually, maybe don't answer that. But whatever details the Irish prison authorities have about this "sex offence," they consider it minor. And as I said, ironically I'm sure you agree with their objective in saying that; making sure he doesn't get any kind of special correctional/punitive treatment.
Quote from: hellfire on November 22, 2023, 01:16:52 PMI want change immigration policy to prevent other peoples scraps occupying houses and eating up money... he would not have been admitted had we only been importing the good and the useful.
Yeah tis only Irish wasters that should be taking up houses and eating up money anyway. ;)
That's nonsense about the good and the useful. Fact is we have tens of thousands of Irish that are neither good nor useful, and hence there's a huge demand for construction workers from abroad here as our wasters won't get off their holes. Therefore he'd be brought straight in no problem, regardless of linking child actions to otherwise adult crime.
Had absolutely no idea nonce had a sexual connotation, I always thought it was like the English version of eejit! Will have to be careful about using it going forward :-X
It's an acronym from Engerlish prisons: not on normal courtyard exercise. The paedos would be let out separately or they'd be rightly fucked.
Quote from: Snare on November 22, 2023, 04:20:10 PMQuote from: hellfire on November 22, 2023, 01:16:52 PMI want change immigration policy to prevent other peoples scraps occupying houses and eating up money... he would not have been admitted had we only been importing the good and the useful.
Yeah tis only Irish wasters that should be taking up houses and eating up money anyway. ;)
That's nonsense about the good and the useful. Fact is we have tens of thousands of Irish that are neither good nor useful, and hence there's a huge demand for construction workers from abroad here as our wasters won't get off their holes. Therefore he'd be brought straight in no problem, regardless of linking child actions to otherwise adult crime.
Irish layabouts are an Irish problem, Slovakian layabouts are a Slovakian problem. Because some Irish people are lazy fuckers does that mean we're obliged to cater for other peoples lazy fuckers too?
There's no evidence to even suggest Puska was a lazy fucker or Slovakian laybout prior to or upon arrival in Ireland. That's the red herring. That's the dog whistle. And it's whistling so loudly in your head that it's showing in your reading comprehension.
Even assuming what you say is true even though no mention of 2017 anywhere apart from something he said to a Garda while in the middle of a lying spree. Even accepting that as true for a moment he hadn't worked since 2017 because of a feigned injury.
You know what both of you are right. Its a good thing he came here. Its no problem he was living in a council house while nurses sleep in cars. Paying benefits for him, his wife and five children was the right thing to do. He was not a nonce, just a hunter of human females. A valuable addition to the fucking country.
I want in on the stupid. I'm convinced now. Importing hundreds of thousands of people in the middle of a housing crisis was a good move. There are no foreign criminal gangs in Ireland. There are no foreign criminals in Ireland. The very act of moving here bestows people with a virtuosity that couldn't be claimed of Irish people. Nobody moves here for welfare they're just workers who fell on hard times. Some women have penises and mass Islamic immigration has benefited every country it happened to. What shape is the earth in the gospel according to saint Chris? Are we flat or round?
On to another issue that is about the PC brigade but is also metal related...
Stumbled across this crying cunt of an article the other day.
https://www.loudersound.com/features/pantera-phil-anselmo-op-ed-2023
While it has been a couple of decades since Metal Hammer was anything of any merit, I had to chuckle at this writter trying his best to be "woke as fuck".
"This broad acceptance of Pantera's comeback would be understandable if Anselmo had spent some of the past seven years atoning for his actions. Yet he seemingly hasn't."
Jesus wept...
Quote from: The Great Cull on November 22, 2023, 05:18:52 PMOn to another issue that is about the PC brigade but is also metal related...
Stumbled across this crying cunt of an article the other day.
https://www.loudersound.com/features/pantera-phil-anselmo-op-ed-2023
While it has been a couple of decades since Metal Hammer was anything of any merit, I had to chuckle at this writter trying his best to be "woke as fuck".
"This broad acceptance of Pantera's comeback would be understandable if Anselmo had spent some of the past seven years atoning for his actions. Yet he seemingly hasn't."
Jesus wept...
Thankfully nobody cares about this shows are all packed and the only thing I know of that they were forced out of was Rock Am Ring. I saw them in Berlin about two weeks after they were suppose to play that festival. I was worried before going that it might get cancelled but nobody even tried.
Quote from: hellfire on November 22, 2023, 01:16:52 PMI want change immigration policy to prevent other peoples scraps occupying houses and eating up money.
Well if they're in a EU country then currently you cant stop it. Just as you or I can go and work/doss in any other EU country. Now I firmly believe we're better off with the EU than without it, for all its faults. But I would favour a scheme where if you come here and dont work you get kicked out. Not initially as you need time to find work but after a year if you're contributing nothing then off with ya.
As for the occupying houses. Yes the influx of Ukrainians has come at the wrong time. But the lack of housing ain't on them. Its FF/FG and their fucking useless policies on housing for the last 20 years that have fucked us.
Irish and British benefits are unusual in that they facilitate long term unemployment. You're only entitled to what a local is in the EU. If there's no public housing available you're not getting one. Tying welfare to stamps could get some of our own bozos off the couch and out of the pub too. They are already about to allow a higher rate for the recently unemployed. A lower rate and a cut off date at the other end would be advantageous.
There is a problem with long term unemployed in this country all right. And maybe a lower rate for the ones who wont work after a certain period. Wouldn't be in favour of being cut off as that only raises more social problems in the end.
Its drastically in need of reform anyway. It was designed for times when you could have been long term unemployed through no fault of your own.
Quote from: Carnage on November 22, 2023, 04:28:16 PMIt's an acronym from Engerlish prisons: not on normal courtyard exercise. The paedos would be let out separately or they'd be rightly fucked.
I'd rather think they'd be wrongly fucked, a la the lad getting snookered in love/hate
I haven't seen that but I'd imagine it's unpleasant. We'll go for the jagged knife sodomy from American Me. Ouch.
Quote from: The Great Cull on November 22, 2023, 05:18:52 PMOn to another issue that is about the PC brigade but is also metal related...
Stumbled across this crying cunt of an article the other day.
https://www.loudersound.com/features/pantera-phil-anselmo-op-ed-2023
While it has been a couple of decades since Metal Hammer was anything of any merit, I had to chuckle at this writter trying his best to be "woke as fuck".
"This broad acceptance of Pantera's comeback would be understandable if Anselmo had spent some of the past seven years atoning for his actions. Yet he seemingly hasn't."
Jesus wept...
Same guy has declared that the Download headliners is just what metal needs.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on November 23, 2023, 06:54:48 AMQuote from: The Great Cull on November 22, 2023, 05:18:52 PMOn to another issue that is about the PC brigade but is also metal related...
Stumbled across this crying cunt of an article the other day.
https://www.loudersound.com/features/pantera-phil-anselmo-op-ed-2023
While it has been a couple of decades since Metal Hammer was anything of any merit, I had to chuckle at this writter trying his best to be "woke as fuck".
"This broad acceptance of Pantera's comeback would be understandable if Anselmo had spent some of the past seven years atoning for his actions. Yet he seemingly hasn't."
Jesus wept...
Same guy has declared that the Download headliners is just what metal needs.
Maybe this should be in the "Are We All Fucked?" thread.
We're in the 80s part two. No lessons learned.
These moral crusades just give publicity to their chosen targets. Like the PMRC did. If they had any idea about some of the more controversial underground black metal acts for example, they would be traumatised.
It's the same thing that happened in the 'video nasty' era, all that happened was that more people wanted to watch those movies.
Quote from: leatherface on November 24, 2023, 05:20:30 PMWe're in the 80s part two. No lessons learned.
These moral crusades just give publicity to their chosen targets. Like the PMRC did. If they had any idea about some of the more controversial underground black metal acts for example, they would be traumatised.
It's the same thing that happened in the 'video nasty' era, all that happened was that more people wanted to watch those movies.
It's an interesting thing to think about. Similar to the 80s with regards to the amount of pearl clutching going on (often over ridiculous things), similar to the 60s in that the main dissenting voices are from the left (was right in the 80s), and unprecedented to both because we live in the age of social media, which has the effect of making the outrage self-perpetual. It doesn't feel just as heightened now as it did a few years ago, but I wonder how long it's going to take before everyone settles down and just moves on from two deeply divided sides constantly at each others' throats?
Yep, it's so utterly predictable when every issue, whatever happens, becomes a right vs left argument. You could set your watch by it.
Yesterday I saw Kesley Grammar was trending. Oh no, has he died or has he been found with lots of child porn? Or at the very least, touched a ladies bottom back in 1987 on the set of Cheers?
No, it was because of a BBC interview were he said he supported Trump and was behind his 2024 bid.
Cue all the outrage in the replies how they'll never watch Friaser and it was shit espically the new one and how is career will now be over etc.
Whether you are a fan of the orange man or not, to go crazy and demand a boycot of someone for having a different view screams a little like facism and nazism which is kinda what these guys are accusing Grammar of being. I wonder if they imagined a celbrity who supported Sleepy Joe was getting the same stick from the public, would they laugh at them?
One reply said something like 'and he even supported Brexit, what a cunt.'
Quote from: hellfire on November 22, 2023, 08:02:41 PMIts drastically in need of reform anyway. It was designed for times when you could have been long term unemployed through no fault of your own.
100% Ireland is a haven for absolute lazy cunts. No bothers swanning in from abroad, get a gaff and welfare and not even bother learn the local language. So many problems with this. Fair enough someone who can't work obviously
The craic with the Bangladeshi family arriving into Belfast from UK (iirc) and heading to the South and getting a gaff that same day after an appointment with ipas seems to have bothered a few of the locals. Have to be careful around the details there though, in case it's not the proper story. Anyway whether it is or not, it has made some locals unhappy
I don't know how true that is. It was a divine act of luck if they did.
I haven't done the due diligence on it at all but apparently it's a senator who is telling the tale. I'll likely come across it again on twitter lately
The video i saw today of the Minister for Justice attempting to define the far right was pretty spectacular.
It's basically anyone who doesn't agree with the policies of government. And also anyone who calls themselves the far right.
I see none of the lads down Galway way learnt anything from the public outcry in response to property being set aflame in Dublin.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 17, 2023, 11:44:00 AMI see none of the lads down Galway way learnt anything from the public outcry in response to property being set aflame in Dublin.
What happened there? Didn't hear a note of it.
Actually since I've protected my posts on twitter I haven't heard fuck all about anything which is doing me the world of good.
I assume there was a protest of some sort?
There was a protest to block access to an unused hotel designated to be occupied by 70 immigrants. Some of the protestors then set the hotel on fire.
Again, the answer to this problem will be to call everybody far-right and proceed with the plan of flooding every nook and cranny with unemployed people from abroad.
I agree with you Hellfire. I don't agree with burning things though.
This is what will happen more and more if people don't get listened to though
There have been over a dozen immigration protest-related arson attacks in Ireland over the last five years. Each time by people ostensibly claiming that immigrants are a risk to Irish safety. I say send these people back to where they came from: a failed educational, social, and ultimately correctional system!
Quote from: astfgyl on December 17, 2023, 04:19:17 PMI agree with you Hellfire. I don't agree with burning things though.
This is what will happen more and more if people don't get listened to though
I don't either. The fire brigade still has to go in there even if the building is empty. Just pointing out that more violence, arson or god knows what else is the inevitable outcome of continuing as we are.
Interesting to note that the criteria for refugees is now broader than victims of warfare.
According to the head ponce running the state "..a major step-change in the numbers arriving here, seeking protection. poverty, climate change.."
Are they granting residency due to 'poverty' & 'climate change'?
"Step-change", what a fuckin clown he is
All we have to do is be sensible about it and the argument is gone. People have concerns - address them. Who does the government work for? Whether one agrees with a policy or not, the government are supposed to be your servant not your ruler
The current government can't address those concerns. They've backed themselves into a "damned if we do, damned if we don't" situation. What are they going to do? Turn around and agree that immigrants are the source of the problems when they, more than anyone, know that's not true? They know how brutal the factual push-back such a claim would bring against them directly would be.
So they don't make that claim. But they can't fully counter it either. Because that would require them coughing up the fact that, indeed, they're the ones to blame for the problems that really beat people's spirits down: no work or only gig economy work, cost of living crisis, housing crisis, etc., etc., etc. So the government get a bit of slack from "the left" for not clamping down on the agitators, but they can handle that, in fact they can fairly thrive on it, since both the agitators and their discontents, incl. the immigrants themselves, inevitably end up wasting most to all of their time and energy attacking each other.
They'll never say it, and from time to time they'll even slap some wrists, but the fairly recent emergence of such agitators in Ireland suits the establishment down to the ground. Even if you've a conspiracy thought that the government are letting loads of migrants in precisely to rile people up and keep them divided, truth remains that the smart thing to do, if you're playing honestly, is not let yourselves be divided, especially not over something as superficial as country of origin (as opposed to something significant like share in real power). Like that line from Rounders: "If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you are the sucker." There is a very small but genuine far right movement emerging in Ireland, who need to have the law brought down on them where applicable, but in the sense I've just given, the left magnifying that movement into something much more encompassing than it is also renders dialogue and cooperation among the "have-nots" equally unattainable. A loud and clear mea culpa from me too on this, but I think we all need to be forcing ourselves to be a lot smarter than we are, towards a figurative pooling of our chips to eliminate the big shot at the table and make sure another doesn't simply slide in behind him (go on, have your 'Ooo-er!': you've earned it if you're still reading).
I mostly agree. Not fully, but mostly. I think people are angry and need a target which in this case is immigration but the real problem is the government fucking everyone over at every turn. Still, seeing the level of public dispute over the immigration thing you'd think they'd change course but against all odds they seem determined to stay the course. Why? I haven't a clue and I also don't mind the immigrants but the government have a definite idea that they're determined to carry through to the end even if it means getting hammered at the election, which they will because of it. Weird carry on really.
Either way, these heads and this kind of unambiguous intimidation is not on:
https://twitter.com/DurrutiDub/status/1736798896788320724
They're getting worse and worse.
Wow, what a bunch of appalling bullies. Holy fuck.
"This is a good area." Not with cunts like him around, it's not. Still, at least they're stupid enough to post threats to commit arson, a wee spell in jail for them would be no harm.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 18, 2023, 11:28:04 PMEither way, these heads and this kind of unambiguous intimidation is not on:
https://twitter.com/DurrutiDub/status/1736798896788320724
They're getting worse and worse.
Whoever it is has me blocked even though I've never heard of them. I doubt I'll be too sorry about it
Quote from: astfgyl on December 19, 2023, 01:42:07 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 18, 2023, 11:28:04 PMEither way, these heads and this kind of unambiguous intimidation is not on:
https://twitter.com/DurrutiDub/status/1736798896788320724
They're getting worse and worse.
Whoever it is has me blocked even though I've never heard of them. I doubt I'll be too sorry about it
I'm blocked too. Probably a communist 🤡
Original tweet here, from a most definitely not communist account:
https://twitter.com/AntiKalergiPlan/status/1736774922993635646
Only missing is the context that, on top of their acting in the manner of intimidating provos, Pepper et al had their info completely wrong.
Edit: Original tweet as quoted and replies screenshot in first link I posted, but not actually original source of the video. Video could be from Telegram or elsewhere, don't know.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 19, 2023, 04:52:27 PMOriginal tweet here, from a most definitely not communist account:
https://twitter.com/AntiKalergiPlan/status/1736774922993635646
Only missing is the context that, on top of their acting in the manner of intimidating provos, Pepper et al had their info completely wrong.
Edit: Original tweet as quoted and replies screenshot in first link I posted, but not actually original source of the video. Video could be from Telegram or elsewhere, don't know.
Oh right I see the craic now. It's not a road I'd be going down but I'm not surprised at it. See my last post for further. It's just not going to end well really but I dunno for who yet. Probably everyone.
Edit: I also don't think it can be disregarded the effect that being raised on patriotism has on the whole thing. All this A Nation Once Again etc and then the government sells the place out entirely in a few years without a whimper.. that's bound to get a few people's backs up whether one agrees with them or not it's still going to be a thing. So the foreign lads become the most obvious target even though it all lies at the feet of the government and the foreign lads - while I have no doubt that many are chancers, and equally no doubt that even more are perfectly decent people - don't have batons and pepper spray. It's not altogether surprising how it's all turning out though.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/little-girl-injured-dublin-crche-31764194
QuoteLittle girl injured in Dublin crèche attack is out of danger and has even smiled, reveals loving mother
May I recommend unfollowing any social media or Telegram accounts who helped fabricate and propagate the fake story that she had died and that this was being covered up by the government. Such accounts are bad for your mind. Worse still for your soul.
That's great news 8)
Good to hear. Any word on the woman injured, I wonder? Haven't heard anything.
Another ear-marked homeless shelter burnt out last night, this time in Ringsend.
That should help with the accommodation shortage
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 31, 2023, 12:39:00 PMAnother ear-marked homeless shelter burnt out last night, this time in Ringsend.
Why are homeless shelters being targeted?
Quote from: Mooncat on December 31, 2023, 06:29:08 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 31, 2023, 12:39:00 PMAnother ear-marked homeless shelter burnt out last night, this time in Ringsend.
Why are homeless shelters being targeted?
Probably mistook it for a refugee centre.
Seems that as soon as something is earmarked for accommodation for homeless, it is presumed it will in fact be used to further the great replacement of racists by their worst enemy: non-catholic brown men!
Who are the Islam lads worst enemies?
A much smarter variety of racists! :laugh:
:laugh: very good! Ah I'm only acting the bollix really but one can't discount the level of anti Islam propaganda people here have been subjected to over the years and it's hard for some to differentiate between propaganda and reality. There'll be fried cunts in every creed and I've no time for fundamentalism but it's been beaten into so many that every Islam lad is just waiting to cut the head off anyone and then they have the fried eejit imams adding fundamentalist shit on the telly all the time to add to it. In reality any of the Islam lads I know are the solid finest sure there's a Syrian lad only after leaving my gaff an hour or two ago and I didn't racially abuse him once.
The American stuff that was sold over here in light of the invasions in the middle east was very strong propaganda though and a lot of folks thought they were getting the message of the good guys from the yanks and it stuck with a lot.
Still the government have entirely missold the situation as well so that doesn't help either but I don't find myself setting fire to things as a result so I can't get on board with that at all in any fashion
That Pepper lad seems to have more in common with the fundamentalist Muslims he's afraid will take over the country than he realizes! A mate drew my attention to a recent tweet where, all genuinely nice and lovely, he introduces his new born son to the world, thanks the hospital, the midwives, says how happy he is, etc.... but still, a propos of nothing, hashtags the tweet #IrelandIsFull and #MakeIrelandSafeAgain :laugh:
That tweet turned up on my timeline earlier and I don't even follow the cunt so I blocked him. What the fuck do I want with looking at pictures of peoples fucking children on twitter
Edit: "Ireland is full" he said, adding another human to the island... Good lord.
Thinking about it, I reckon we could squeeze in another half a million immigrants or so and give them all medical cards and accommodation while not beefing up the infrastructure. That should get rid of the likes of Pepper and not create many more of him
Joey Barton is back offending people.
I heard your friend Pepper is running in a local election this year. Finglas I believe. I imagine he'd be like a Paul Murphy of the right. Office by day, street protest at night.
Where did he even appear from? Is he NP or something? Never heard of him until a few weeks ago
I see Roscrea is still as offensive as it ever was.
Great move by the powers that be to bus in a few children for the photo op though. Very clever!
No mention on the telly that the town is fuckin ruined as it is and has been for a long time. No mention that the reason the locals are out protesting is because they've been sold a pup over the other immigration centre in the town, which they were promised would be women and children from Ukraine but is actually full of African and Middle Eastern men instead and a local told me the other day that the Gardai should open up a new station at the gates because they're down there so often. I know a lad that worked there is how I know it's all men rather than women and children.
There's also a reason that hotels such as Racket Hall are taking the money, and it's not because things are going well. It's because they need to pay the electricity bill somehow or go out of business.
The blame for the whole sorry saga lies firmly at the feet of the government and not at all the locals or indeed the immigrants. It's not fair on either the locals or the immigrants.
Cunts need to go and soon but there's actually no alternative. Also, anyone who is registered to vote should go to checktheregister.ie and sort themselves out there because a lot have been removed unknown to themselves. I was and all, but I've fixed it just in case voting does do anything (though I suspect it won't because policies are handed to the Irish government through Europe now rather than devised here at all).
Anyway, this stuff is really dividing the place as it has turned out and now everyone is offended on all sides
Quote from: astfgyl on January 15, 2024, 10:54:02 PMGreat move by the powers that be to bus in a few children for the photo op though. Very clever!
The rationale behind this, if any, is approaching crisis actor conspiracy territory. Hard to take anything you say afterward seriously. Supposedly numbers of gardai in Roscrea have dropped from 24 in the past to only 7 now, despite population actually increasing over the same period. Signals of need for major societal restructuring. Not so much a second station they need: keeping the one they have open round the clock would already be a significant improvement.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 16, 2024, 12:12:24 PMQuote from: astfgyl on January 15, 2024, 10:54:02 PMGreat move by the powers that be to bus in a few children for the photo op though. Very clever!
The rationale behind this, if any, is approaching crisis actor conspiracy territory. Hard to take anything you say afterward seriously. Supposedly numbers of gardai in Roscrea have dropped from 24 in the past to only 7 now, despite population actually increasing over the same period. Signals of need for major societal restructuring. Not so much a second station they need: keeping the one they have open round the clock would already be a significant improvement.
So you don't think that bussing in a few families rather than the usual Somalian and Nigerian lads was a smart move by the organisers who obviously knew there was a protest waiting to greet them? I think you're being purposely naive to say it wasn't. Cue all the NGO affiliate accounts comparing it to the kids going to holy Cross school... yeah definitely nothing doing there... and I feel sorry for those kids having to be used like that, I really do but why would you pretend to yourself that move want planned to do what it did?
I'm not pretending to myself. I'm not presuming anything. Because presuming something and then taking the thing presumed as fact is irrational. Where were the families prior to being brought to Roscrea? Are you suggesting that they were removed from already appropriate accommodation just so that the organizers could make a spectacle of them? Is there any evidence to suggest this?
Keep up the good work lad. Are you going to say now it's all families going to these hotels? Why didn't they bring the families to one with no protest going? Oh I know why, because there aren't any. Also, I'm dealing with the foreign lads on a loop these days so don't try come at me with some spoofers government figures about the makeup of it when anyone can see what the craic actually is, ie single men from countries not at war. I see what we've gotten ourselves into with the whole thing and I see what was done by bringing those kids to that hotel. You can tell yourself otherwise all you want.
I wonder if our wonderful government has had any regrets about sending out messages in 7 or 8 languages to say ireland is open for applicants without consulting or even informing the populace of that?
There'll be hands wringing for sure over those poor kids but not at the fuckers who organised that bus and garda escort to bring them there right while the protest was going on.
Also I see The Journal reported them as Ukrainian children. I'm assuming I'm not the only one who saw pictures of them. Well now the journal has come out and said they're not Ukrainian children after all. Sold a pup and people wonder why there are protests.
No I'm not going to say it's
all families. Why would I say that since it's obviously not true?
If there are protests at all of these centres (seems to be what you're saying) then there was potential for such scenes no matter where the families were brought, no? It's really not clear what exactly you're claiming tbh. Presumably, despite saying "busing in children," you don't deny that the families were real families. So is your claim that these families already had housing and were taken out of it to be bused to Roscrea for a photo op? Or that they didn't have housing and were brought to Roscrea instead of to somewhere else, again for the photo op? But since you said there'd have been protests waiting anywhere they could have been brought, it really isn't clear what either your gripe or the basis for it are.
And they're kids: what kind of person gives a fuck where they're from anyway?
Finally, for info:
QuoteThe latest figures from the Department of Integration show that 26,279 asylum seekers, of whom 5,621 are children, are currently being accommodated across 258 centres nationwide.
The latest data shows there are an average of 307 arrivals per week, with 44 arrivals every day, and 29% are single males, 11% are females, 21% couples, 28% children, and 11% lone parents.
More single males than any other group, which we knew, but a lot of families in there too; they're not something that have to be magicked up just for a photo op.
They brought three families in on the bus. They did this while knowing there was a well publicised protest going on there. Why do you think they did that?
Do you honestly think there was no other place in the country to put them? Why didn't some of the NGO affiliates put them up in their house?
Or are you suggesting perhaps that there was nowhere else to go with them because the country is full to capacity as it is, thus backing up the stance of the protesters themselves?
So why do you think they were brought in on that bus at that very time, if not for optics? Do you think that the organisers of the drop off didn't know that there was a protest on, even though it was national news? Well if they didn't know then why did they bring the public order unit to escort them in?
Why only three families? Do you think they had no single men that needed putting up, just this once?
Like I said, playing purposely naive.
Because you're not here much, I think you don't actually see how this is playing out in the sticks. Despite what you see on the news or read on twitter, the public sentiment on the current situation is on the side of the protesters everywhere outside of the cities. Cities have taken the multicultural approach for decades but the towns are being transformed in the space of a year or two, coinciding with the end of the covid restrictions, so everyone came out of their houses to this shit after it all. There's no support for it at all.
They announced last week that they were going to be bringing people. So we know there were people to be brought and, whoever those people were, it was planned to bring them to this and not to another place. That's why demonstrators were posted there since Thursday last. There was a protest on Friday. Another on Saturday. Then on Monday, as announced, they started bringing people. During yet another protest. But seemingly there were up to 25 demonstrators posted there at all times anyway, even overnight. And if they'd tried to bring them in under cover of dark... well, that would have been turned into a whole thing too, wouldn't it? "The sneaky pricks, tryin' to get them in when we're not lookin'!" or whatever. And what should they be doing anyway? Intentionally sending single males to a place surrounded by a crowd of baying locals who've been primed to explode at the sight of single non-white males? Who would that be better for exactly? They have single males to home. They have families to home. You've the numbers above there: as many children as single adult males to home. That's equal odds. Equal. Odds.
Except none of this is equal odds because it's all being done without the consent of the larger part of the populace.
Heard Stephen donnelly today on the radio saying there should be a local dividend for towns like Roscrea who have taken more than their fair share population wise already. He never entertained the idea of slowing any of it down or actively deporting failed applicants or anything like that, only saying that those towns should get more services in time as recognition for their efforts that they didn't willingly make.
Whatever these government lads have gotten themselves into, they obviously can't get out of it or they would be doing so by now due to the level of public opposition to it all.
People know there's something off with it all but can't understand why it's not only still going but going even stronger than ever, even though the services are not there, the accommodation is not there, and the public will is not there.
Irish citizens have been turned down for school places, doctors panels, medical appointments kicked back years and more such like but yet the new arrivals are being put up, given medical cards and places on doctors panels, school places, social welfare, employers incentivised to employ them, no prescription charges, bring your lovely cars, bring your dogs and cats, modular homes built in mere months, planning law exemptions to house them.
These things are all true and people are wondering why, so in the absence of anything approaching an answer from the government they will protest, and the protests are growing, and the public sentiment is turning more and more against all the new arrivals. It's almost universal in the rural towns. I was in the restaurant at lunch today and three of the four tables around me were talking about this and saying basically everything I'm saying here.
The government are gone at the next election because of this, and yet they persist. In the absence of any explanation, people will come up with more and more stuff to explain it to themselves which likely won't be true but won't do anything to quell the discontent.
Things are so bad, even the polish lads are turning sour and I wouldn't blame them either because they had none of this when they got here. Its fucking weird, all of it.
Edit: Couple of things...
Firstly, all of the good sentiment that was here with the arrival of refugees from the war in Ukraine is pretty much gone from the public, due to government actions and their wilful blindness to public dissatisfaction. Oh they know, but they won't stop, and I know they won't stop because it's in their 2040 plan which is in the public domain not hidden or anything. So they will not stop no matter what, leading me to believe they can't even if they wanted to.
Secondly, saying all this I won't be joining any protest of this kind because it's aimed at the wrong people and held in the wrong places. I know a good few of the local lads and I don't mind them, even though I do think the treatment of the Irish citizens vs many of them is lacking to say the least. It's still not the fault of these people at the end of the day and I'm not going down the road of saying they're all criminals etc, even though we've no way to know if they are because we take them without identification in the majority of cases.
Lastly, this won't end well the way it's going and someone will be hurt and more things will burn and more laws will be brought in to oppress the general population as a result. Something needs to be done to turn the tap off and quickly.
https://twitter.com/RTE_PrimeTime/status/1747387594793423335?t=g1gOYHaT4CjlQieHpsCeAA&s=19
Here, here's a small sample of the absolute madness of it all. Look at that clip.
The statement that the government has a "legal obligation and a moral obligation" must not be underestimated. A legal obligation to whom, exactly? Who is running the country in real terms if they legally have to do this? Under the Dublin regulations they actually don't, so who are they pleasing and why are they doing it?
Here's the answer as far as I can see:
https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/news-and-events/news/ireland-voluntarily-agrees-take-part-eu-schemes-resettle-refugees-2021-02-28_en
So what is this Clear Legal Obligation that they are speaking of in the clip?
Quote from: astfgyl on January 17, 2024, 05:23:51 PMThe statement that the government has a "legal obligation and a moral obligation" must not be underestimated. A legal obligation to whom, exactly?
Funny how they also have a legal obligation to abolish VRT yet ignore that one...
Quote from: astfgyl on January 17, 2024, 05:23:51 PMThe government are gone at the next election because of this, and yet they persist.
I don't think you're right about that at present. There isn't presently an alternative. SF are lapdogs and have been for a few decades.
It took a good few years before countries like the Netherlands finally had enough and took the necessary political action
What they should do is build a fuck load of houses and ban vulture funds from buying gaffs. Varadkar actually said it wouldn't be fair on people with houses if prices went down as they would be in negative equity. It's not fair paying over 100k more for a house than it's worth. The mind boggles how out of touch they are.
Also we could end the housing crisis tomorrow if we compulsory purchased all the vacant gaffs. But no. That would actually work so we wont do that.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on January 17, 2024, 08:00:29 PMQuote from: astfgyl on January 17, 2024, 05:23:51 PMThe statement that the government has a "legal obligation and a moral obligation" must not be underestimated. A legal obligation to whom, exactly?
Funny how they also have a legal obligation to abolish VRT yet ignore that one...
I think the profit is more than the fine so it's grand for the lads.
Quote from: 91/30 on January 17, 2024, 09:56:35 PMQuote from: astfgyl on January 17, 2024, 05:23:51 PMThe government are gone at the next election because of this, and yet they persist.
I don't think you're right about that at present. There isn't presently an alternative. SF are lapdogs and have been for a few decades.
It took a good few years before countries like the Netherlands finally had enough and took the necessary political action
SF are not an alternative to anything, and faced with them as an alternative I would choose the current crowd. That's how much regard I have for SF.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 17, 2024, 10:12:36 PMWhat they should do is build a fuck load of houses and ban vulture funds from buying gaffs. Varadkar actually said it wouldn't be fair on people with houses if prices went down as they would be in negative equity. It's not fair paying over 100k more for a house than it's worth. The mind boggles how out of touch they are.
Also we could end the housing crisis tomorrow if we compulsory purchased all the vacant gaffs. But no. That would actually work so we wont do that.
I would agree with that general sentiment but why should we do that for Africans when we wouldn't do it for the Irish all along? Funnily enough I'm a bit of a socialist myself but I still don't think solving it for welfare tourists should be prioritised over sorting it for those who legally got here, including lads from other countries who went through the proper process going back years. We have enough chancers of our own so we have no need to import them and fix the place to suit them.
Anyhow, I've been fascinated by the Legal Obligation argument all evening and the best I can find is that it's bare faced lies. Ideologically anyone can argue the toss all they want but the legal thing doesn't exist as far as I can see. Funnily enough in the clip I posted from Prime Time, the presenter never once challenged that assertion, and in fact even chimed in to confirm it more than once.
Well here's the ICHR's take on it (Irish Council for Human Rights apparently, even though I gave 3/4 of the covid days haranguing them on twitter because they were worse than useless in standing up for anyone's human rights during that time):
https://ichr.ie/irelands-legal-obligations-regarding-asylum-and-immigration/#:~:text=1)%20Under%20the%20Treaty%20of,to%20opt%20into%20these%20laws.
Now does anyone have anything to counter the information that they are sharing here? Not their opinion, their legislative information. I can't find anything of this Legal Obligation that we are being told about so until I do, I shall have to conclude that it's lies and nothing less.
My general point was if there wasnt a housing crisis that has irish people rightly pissed off it wouldn't be as much as an issue. Housing should be a human right anyway. But that would require collective thinking for people on a global scale and were a few thousand years off yet.
Legal obligations might be this
"The EU Temporary Protection Directive has now been activated in response to the Ukraine crisis. The Directive is an emergency provision designed to quickly and humanely respond to the mass displacement of Ukrainian people by Russian aggression.
Ireland participates in this measure, which has been given legal effect under Section 60 of the International Protection Act
https://www.irishimmigration.ie/information-on-temporary-protection-for-people-fleeing-the-conflict-in-ukraine/
The Dutch central government had the same proposal to load foreigners in to rural communities but in that country it is been vigorously opposed
Aye, that's for the Ukrainians though. It doesn't seem to cover the rest of the lads. I actually think the Irish were all up for the Ukrainian women and children we were supposed to be hosting. Then when I saw the Ukrainian men I thought "fuck it I wouldn't fight for zelensky either" so I didn't blame them tbh.
But now..... I still don't think there's any legal obligation for the other nationalities. Do the government have a legal obligation to house Irish homeless? I haven't heard whether they do or not. The legal obligation without evidence is annoying when they keep saying it.
Quote from: 91/30 on January 18, 2024, 12:05:23 AMThe Dutch central government had the same proposal to load foreigners in to rural communities but in that country it is been vigorously opposed
Overall population density of the Netherlands is around 8 times that of Ireland: they have over three times our population in almost half the surface area. And in 2022, they welcomed almost three times as many refugees as Ireland. Apples and oranges (forgive the pun).
Re legal obligation, in the specific context of International Protection Accommodation Services that the situation with the hotel in Roscrea falls under:
QuoteUnder EU and International Law, Ireland is obliged to examine the claim of any person who arrives into the country and claims International Protection.
While that claim is being examined by the Department of Justice, IPAS offers accommodation and related services to International Protection applicants who wish to accept the offer of accommodation from the Irish State.
This includes all meals and utilities. Full access to public medical services is provided and weekly personal allowance is also paid to each person (€38.80 for adults and €29.80 for children). After six months, International Protection applicants are eligible to work if they have not received a first decision on their application. For more information, please see the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service's website.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/32a25-accommodation-services/
And then they voted for a party that wants to deport every last adherent of Islam. No policy on the economy, agriculture or anything else apart from deporting.
Quote from: hellfire on January 18, 2024, 05:03:59 PMAnd then they voted for a party that wants to deport every last adherent of Islam. No policy on the economy, agriculture or anything else apart from deporting.
That is what happened alright. I was pointing out that any claim of #HollandIsFull would necessarily and physically have more weight to it than #IrelandIsFull. Holland is literally several times "fuller" than Ireland.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 18, 2024, 05:03:24 PMRe legal obligation, in the specific context of International Protection Accommodation Services that the situation with the hotel in Roscrea falls under:
QuoteUnder EU and International Law, Ireland is obliged to examine the claim of any person who arrives into the country and claims International Protection.
While that claim is being examined by the Department of Justice, IPAS offers accommodation and related services to International Protection applicants who wish to accept the offer of accommodation from the Irish State.
This includes all meals and utilities. Full access to public medical services is provided and weekly personal allowance is also paid to each person (€38.80 for adults and €29.80 for children). After six months, International Protection applicants are eligible to work if they have not received a first decision on their application. For more information, please see the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service's website.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/32a25-accommodation-services/
How does that work in terms of the opt out that they can avail of? I feel like they don't have to do any of this if they don't want to, but that they are doing it anyway because they do want to. Likely for money or some future population plan like having a younger demographic to pay the pensions but it might be nice if they'd come out and say so instead of insisting on things that seem not to be true. It's costing a fortune as well so treating the populace like adults could work. I mean, some of them even are adults.
As for Holland being full.... I really don't care about Holland at all. They can deal with their own things. I wonder how they hold up against us in terms of infrastructure, which is a lot of the problem here
Yeah, the semantics of the hashtag don't really bother me. Full in the Irish case means there's nowhere to live. Full in the Dutch case seems to mean turfing out everyone who is not ethnically Dutch.
I wouldn't be into that Dutch version at all that's just straight up racism but I guess they created their own monster there through the sheer volume of imports. I just think it all needs to be slowed down here because we really have ran out of places to put them as it is. Also I am noticing a "get them all out" attitude creeping in here a bit, which I also blame the government for. I'm blue in the face (is mise duine gorm anois! Gheobhaidh mè mo chòta a dhaoine, tà bròn orm...) from saying there needs to be proper process for work visas here and simply refuse lads from safe countries if they don't apply properly.
Yes yes derelict buildings and whatnot but that in itself is an accident waiting to happen because the planning laws are on hold for these places and before long there will be a fire or some other disaster in a building full of kids or something, and not one started by the far right either (although there has been no verdict of arson in any of those cases or indeed any verdict at all). Perhaps slow it to a trickle of the most desperate cases and maybe the government could spend some of the eye watering sums involved on making us a country that can accept people on lesser grounds in a decade or so.
Even counting only "ethnic Dutch" or whites or christians or whatever way you want to slice it, they still have almost three times our population. Ireland is direly mismanaged though. If the lads went with #IrelandIsFucked they could appeal to a much broader base! :laugh:
I'd go with that tbh. The fact that it's fucked is a lot more like it. In fact it's only full because it's fucked the way it's governed. With the wealth we have and the natural resources we could genuinely be one of the best places in the world full stop, but greed got us where we are and now we have second rate everything and greed keeps us there.
I don't want to type out all the ways it's fucked and wrong this minute. Maybe later but I wholeheartedly agree it was fucked long before asylum seekers and refugees were coming here and will be fucked even if they stopped coming tomorrow.
Unfortunately I think this refugee thing has become symbolic of a greater dissatisfaction with government policy and actions in general, such as screwing the regular taxpayer while lavishing wealth on themselves and now looks like they're taking more away but also giving that and more to refugees and asylum seekers, many of whom are of questionable integrity, so it's getting to final straw time. There's too much wrong to write or right at this stage about how bad this government really are and how hated they are. If things were done right here there wouldn't be a peep about foreigners
Edit: Was looking for the THC and Perpetually Monged Brigade thread. My bad.
The Dutch central government proposed a 'Distribution law' to pass the consequences of their stupid decisions on to rural communities. Too many in the cities so make them a problem for rural areas.
Article on it at https://apnews.com/article/wilders-netherlands-coalition-asylum-90b5e00b2b04ab54163617a267ab3fbd
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 18, 2024, 09:18:09 PMEdit: Was looking for the THC and Perpetually Monged Brigade thread. My bad.
I'm in that thread more often than not. Probably the best thread on the board tbf
Quote from: 91/30 on January 18, 2024, 10:56:27 PMThe Dutch central government proposed a 'Distribution law' to pass the consequences of their stupid decisions on to rural communities. Too many in the cities so make them a problem for rural areas.
Article on it at https://apnews.com/article/wilders-netherlands-coalition-asylum-90b5e00b2b04ab54163617a267ab3fbd
Of course. Oddly enough sorting it isn't on the cards under any circumstances though. Not on yer life
I see Gavin Pepper is having a few unwanted skeletons dragged out of his closet: seems he is/was not only a landlord, but one who thought any landlord was in their rights to do whatever to wring as much as possible out of government rent schemes, including piling tenants up on top of each other. Also apparently stated he is vehemently against a united Ireland, which is an opinion like any other, but has understandably sparked a lot of in-fighting among the various nationalist groups.
Saw the landlord thing yesterday. Sap. Don't know or care to know anything else about the fella.
I mean being a "nationalist" against a united Ireland already outs you as a complete joker. IMO.
"House the Irish first, except the Nordies as they don't count" :-\
Plonker, what would any of these assholes do if they didn't have a camera to mouth off for...
QuoteTomb Raider 2! What I love about this game is that, sure, the treasured object you're chasing after is very old - I should say here that the remasters rightly carry a content warning about the racial and ethnic stereotypes they include, and this game's 1990s treatment of Chinese mythology is about as engaged as you'd fear - yet so much of the game sees you Indiana Jonesing through places which are not actually ancient, but are still harmonious with that kind of numinous scale a certain adventure fiction finds in old temples and mysterious dormant machinery. You get an oil rig, a Venetian opera house, a sunken trawler! Rust and industrialisation, and it works! Tomb Raider 3, meanwhile, builds on everything the first games have and dials it up - much too far in crucial respects. As IGN noted today, the game's treatment of South Pacific islanders includes tribesmen "implied to be cannibals" who use blowguns and issue "animal-like cries as they are defeated." Crystal Dynamics ultimately decided to leave these stereotypes in "in the hopes that we may acknowledge its harmful impact and learn from it."
Edit: I always issue "animal-like cries" as I am defeated. Am i a stereotype now?
The whole Starship Troopers thing that's going on now. :laugh:
What's that about?
QuoteAuthors and commentators have stated that the manner in which the extraterrestrial beings are portrayed in Starship Troopers has racist aspects, arguing that the nicknames "Bugs" and "Skinnies" carry racial overtones. John Brunner compared them to calling Koreans "gooks"
That's what I got when I searched it
Some looper basically came out with that the bugs are innocent victims fighting back against humans doing a Lebensraum on Klendathu, and if you approve of the Federation, you're a Nazi.
And it just snowballed from there, the usual Twitter shit. :laugh:
I don't get where there is an argument. On the one hand, it's obvious it's a totalitarian, Lebensraum "ideal" Germany-inspired society, even down to the decomplexified co-ed nudity. On the other hand, Verhoeven has said it himself many times. I don't think he's said that if you "approve" of the Federation (whatever that means) you're a Nazi, but he most definitely modelled them on Nazis in order to satirize the latter.
:laugh: surely a joke?
Which part?
For example, on the shower scene:
Quote from: Paul VerhoevenThe idea I wanted to express was that these so-called advanced people are without libido. Here they are talking about war and their careers and not looking at each other at all! It is sublimated because they are fascists.
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/paul-verhoeven/
...I'm learning that a lot of people maybe didn't understand Starship Troopers.
Perhaps they think Robocop is about how megacorporations are good, actually.
Exactly the same thing came up only a couple of years ago too. It seems the movie serves as a pretty good audience sorting filter, separating those who accept a certain brand of real world foreign policy propaganda at face value and those who don't. This turned out to be the case to a much greater extent than Verhoeven--with his life experiences including growing up under Nazi occupation of Holland until the age of 6--ever expected. I think he believed that by dressing up something which looked like US foreign policy, "geographically" far flung desert territory and everything, in directly Nazi inspired trimmings, insignias, uniforms, etc., that this would be unsubtle enough a way of connecting the two regimes that even pro-US-style imperialism individuals would grasp, and as a result possibly criticize, that this comparison was being drawn. From various interviews with him over the years, it seems he was quite stunned by how shallow the mainstream US reception of the movie was. This apparently persists now via social media. Though I guess that element is unsurprising, since US foreign policy is still identical.
It directly says in the movie that the bugs didn't attack until the humans did - the Federation is absolutely the bad guy. It's moronic to derive racist undertones from the terms used though, some twat is seriously fishing for offence there.
I'd always assumed it was a parody of US military policy and propaganda
Quote from: astfgyl on February 20, 2024, 01:34:52 PMI'd always assumed it was a parody of US military policy and propaganda
It is that too, it's a great movie.
I've given up altogether.
Between the "left" being hysterical over TV shows older than I am being "problematic"
and the "I'm not right wing I'm centrist" crowd having aneurysms over fucking Eurovision it's enough to make you want to punch people
Quote from: astfgyl on February 20, 2024, 01:34:52 PMI'd always assumed it was a parody of US military policy and propaganda
It always was.
Another example of Verhoeven taking the piss out the yanks.
The whole Media Break thing in Robocop was added due to his first experience watching American TV when they were in pre-production.
Starship Troopers is trending now due to that Helldivers game on the pS5 which borrows heavily from it
Re the tv spots in Robocop, when we were watching it the other night we were saying it now plays as almost a mid-way point in the same universe as Idiocracy :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 21, 2024, 10:42:34 AMRe the tv spots in Robocop, when we were watching it the other night we were saying it now plays as almost a mid-way point in the same universe as Idiocracy :laugh:
They absolutely nailed that movie. It's timeless (and check out the RoboDoc that came out last year. It's fantastic)
Captain of the Australian women's soccer team gets called out and charged for calling a police officer a 'stupid white bastard'.
Hang on, it wasn't, in fact racist :)
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/10/craig-foster-apologises-to-sam-kerr-after-arguing-her-alleged-remark-to-uk-police-officer-was-racist
Madness. There is another interesting case going on over here at the minute where one rugby player called another black player a monkey. But the guy who said it was, himself, an islander, which is to say, "of colour". It was interesting that both of these cases came up together and it was "marginalised people" or "people of colour" getting into trouble for being racist. There is an even-handedness to it that I found surprising. It's easy to bash the white fella for being racist, even if only by association or merely by heritage, and tempting to turn a blind eye to racism going in the other direction. But if racism is the worst thing in the world, then it has to be taken seriously whichever direction it is coming from.
The logical contortions in that article highlight a massive double standard in modern progressive thinking. But sure...
Yer man apologising after his 'reeducation' is so cringe, and, surprise surprise, The Guardian straight in there, no messing, to wheel him out and show everyone that he has now recognised his thought crime.
This has worked out well for this Kerr one though. She was caught behaving badly on a night out (the gist is that she basically gawked all over a taxi, cops were called and she gave them abuse), and now miraculously she's the victim. Ordinarily this might attract a reprimand from her club but no, full support. Bit of adverse attention what with being a role model for kids etc...nope, not a word.
Not gonna bother getting into a discussion whether her actions were racist or not (personally I think the CPS could have just gone with a straightforward public order charge without reference to the racism bit) but y'know, this is where we're at.
The scholarly and legal interpretations of the word racist are at at odds, but one will consume the other sooner rather than later, but whatever.
I agree, the insertion of the racist part has gotten her off the hook to an extent. She's a lesbian and half Indian so a lot of collars were being stretched and hands wrung in the media when what she said came out.
She could have said 'look I was drunk, I shouldn't have said that, sorry. I'll try not to let the people who look up to me down again. Here's 5k to a charity of the officers choice'.
Nah. Can't be racist to white people so fuck ye.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 10, 2024, 09:04:27 AMCaptain of the Australian women's soccer team gets called out and charged for calling a police officer a 'stupid white bastard'.
Hang on, it wasn't, in fact racist :)
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/10/craig-foster-apologises-to-sam-kerr-after-arguing-her-alleged-remark-to-uk-police-officer-was-racist
What a fucking weak cunt. Racism is racism. If a black lad calls me a white cunt then it's racist. Now to be fair I'd only laugh at the comment but the weak retraction there is disgraceful.
He was happy to learn? What an absolute and total cunt and I hope somewhere along the line that he gets bummed by a couple of
Quotehard, pipe-hitting niggers
as a result
Actually in what world are blacks a minority anyway? What's the population of Africa?
Fucking state of that cunt and his happy to learn. He should actually be drowned in a sack for being so fucking useless as a human. Couldn't even stand over his own words for a day or two and now he's happy to learn. Peeling his skin off would be too good for the cunt because he'd probably say he was happy to learn that getting his skin peeled off was actually really painful. What a total cunt.
I'm actually offended by his retraction.
QuoteFoster last week urged Football Australia to strip Kerr of the Matildas captaincy if the allegation was proven, to make a stand against racism.
Sounds like he started a thick game and lost. Through thickness if ye like, but he personally got his justs imo.
What part of calling out racism against White people is thick?
I don't know what his genuine initial motivations were in pushing to have the player disciplined for the (alleged?) slur, but when you roll the nature of his retraction in on top, it's hard to see any way to cut the story in which yer man doesn't come off as being a bit thick.
Probably the real lesson here is that the over sensitivity around race issues is at a bit of a fever pitch. It's all a bit ludicrous and it might be worth taking a step back. In western countries minorities can work and live, for the most part and excluding the small number of racist muppets who go out of their way to show what CONCERNED CITIZENS they are by bullying people. Those people are in a vast minority, but society is pretending that they pose an existential threat and ramp up the fear and ANTI RACISM AWARENESS! It's like the gay stuff. Gay people are included in all aspects of society these days yet we need to be reminded on a daily basis to BE KIND! Hey, in case you forgot this morning, don't bash the gays. There's an infantilisation of society being pushed that rubs people up the wrong way. How many celebrations of DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION do we need to have each month? In my place of work it's fucking endless which is strange as there appears to be plenty of gay, female and non- white employees all over the shop. I sometimes feel like saying, stop! Look around you! You have arrived! I don't need to be reminded to treat these people, or anyone else (yes, even the white devil) with courtesy and respect.
Yer man Sunak going on about the threats of Islamic extremists (real, demonstrable) and the 'far right' (fake, certainly dubious, negligible) as if they are somehow comparable. They sent that lad Samuel Melia to jail for two years for 'stickering', so maybe that's what they mean by 'existential threat'. You couldn't listen to a lad like that but it's essentially thought crime.
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24156218.far-right-activist-pudsey-jailed-race-hate-sticker-library/
I opened up the independent app yesterday and was greeted with 'we have to talk about the gender imbalance in farming'. Give me a fucking break.
The logical endpoint of Frankfurt School philosophy (if you can call it a Philosophy) is coming into view.
Melia looks like a fuckwit.
Ah, the stickering the most dangerous of all crime. He probably doesn't deserve jail for it. Probably does need a foot in the hole from a friend or family member. They could do a ceremony like the one where the Australian government tried to kick Bart Simpson in the hole.
I agree, it's a slippery slope giving lads the jail over what they believe, even if it is dumb or immoral selon le zeitgeist. They dressed it up in 'criminal damage' petticoats but that's the essence of it.
And they give Tony Blair a knighthood. Yeah, him the lying war criminal.
Yeah, surprised at the Monarchy (of all institutions!) not being more discerning in who they bestow knighthoods on :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 11, 2024, 12:16:41 AMI don't know what his genuine initial motivations were in pushing to have the player disciplined for the (alleged?) slur, but when you roll the nature of his retraction in on top, it's hard to see any way to cut the story in which yer man doesn't come off as being a bit thick.
Ah yeah he's an eejit no doubt but it was the apology that did it for me. The state of his happy to learn was something to behold. Unless it was veiled sarcasm
I initially thought it was veiled sarcasm but the more I read the more I realised he was desperately trying to save his own arse. It's the world we live in with social media being of utmost importance in people's lives, and having absolute power over how they want the world to perceive them. Being out of fashion, being in any way against the grain in your (public) opinions is too risky. It is easy enough to sneer at it on one hand, but when people are losing their jobs for voicing the wrong opinions you can sympathise. A truly fucked up corner we have backed ourselves into here.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 11, 2024, 11:25:00 AMYeah, surprised at the Monarchy (of all institutions!) not being more discerning in who they bestow knighthoods on :laugh:
At least they gave it to Jimmy Saville before they knew he was a degenerate!
My boss always says you have to play the game. It's a euphemism for eat shit, smile and say thanks for the delicious ice cream. It seems pertinent to me in regards to a lot of this online madness.
Who's eating shit here though? This Foster mook publicly called for harsh disciplinary action on the basis of an allegation, i.e. against a person who was still legally speaking not guilty of anything (as far as I know there's no incriminating audio recording or anything like that). Whether he did that out of spite, to make a point about how racism isn't called out equally, or out of genuine zeal regarding racism, it was a thick thing to do. As Kimble suggested above, it was already a fairly thick thing for the bobby in question to make a deal out of the slur, especially if the evidence boiled down to his word against hers. On the other hand, it was smart of her to make the most of the same situation and deny it. Why the fuck wouldn't she? Especially if she really was that drunk, she might not remember. Would any of ye let a cop fill in your memory for you?? "Oh grand, I said that did I, okay, well you're probably right. I sign the statement here do I?"
This isn't so much about eating shit as it seems to be about flinging shit and having the wind throw it back in your face.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 11, 2024, 12:03:30 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 11, 2024, 11:25:00 AMYeah, surprised at the Monarchy (of all institutions!) not being more discerning in who they bestow knighthoods on :laugh:
At least they gave it to Jimmy Saville before they knew he was a degenerate!
Oh they knew lad, they knew.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 11, 2024, 12:17:54 PMWho's eating shit here though? This Foster mook publicly called for harsh disciplinary action on the basis of an allegation, i.e. against a person who was still legally speaking not guilty of anything (as far as I know there's no incriminating audio recording or anything like that). Whether he did that out of spite, to make a point about how racism isn't called out equally, or out of genuine zeal regarding racism, it was a thick thing to do. As Kimble suggested above, it was already a fairly thick thing for the bobby in question to make a deal out of the slur, especially if the evidence boiled down to his word against hers. On the other hand, it was smart of her to make the most of the same situation and deny it. Why the fuck wouldn't she? Especially if she really was that drunk, she might not remember. Would any of ye let a cop fill in your memory for you?? "Oh grand, I said that did I, okay, well you're probably right. I sign the statement here do I?"
This isn't so much about eating shit as it seems to be about flinging shit and having the wind throw it back in your face.
I was making a general observation about the state of affairs on social media with everyone having to watch what they say in case the Stasi come for them.
There's a fakeness at the heart of a lot of this. Fake outrage from people who don't want to be sacrificed on the altar. Fake apologies from people who say the wrong thing and have their jobs or reputations on the line or just don't want to deal with the ire of the mob. Everyone is smiling with shite in their teeth pretending that everything is fine.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 11, 2024, 06:35:03 PMEveryone is smiling with shite in their teeth pretending that everything is fine.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That rather sums it up!
There has been a lot of rumblings in the media about the end of woke from the government. I would say it's highly unlikely from just one referendum. A drubbing over the next referendum or in the local elections could see them change tack.
Newstalk (https://www.newstalk.com/news/referendum-defeats-down-to-anti-woke-pushback-ciara-kelly-1650643)
Quote from: hellfire on March 12, 2024, 07:18:47 PMThere has been a lot of rumblings in the media about the end of woke from the government. I would say it's highly unlikely from just one referendum. A drubbing over the next referendum or in the local elections could see them change tack.
Newstalk (https://www.newstalk.com/news/referendum-defeats-down-to-anti-woke-pushback-ciara-kelly-1650643)
All the people I work with are the most normal rte people possible who don't do the likes of twitter and the word around the campfire is that the local elections are going to be a whitewash because anything that might bring more immigrants is going to be voted out. Now that's not my words even though I did predict that a while back but I suspect the referendum results had something to do with that sentiment and Neil Richmond making comments around that on the telly.
Whether that's for right or wrong has been done to death but that's where we find ourselves in the sticks anyway if not the cities.
They need one or two more drubbings before it will sink in. Have a few chances over the next few months. They will regroup for now and think it was a fluke or a mishandled campaign. The campaign was badly mishandled in fairness.
It was terribly mishandled when they conceived of that ridiculous wording, never mind the campaign.
I'm of the Ochoill persuasion that if it doesn't harm me but might benefit someone else then I'm up for it but this gave me the no feeling from the off once I read the words. Nothing to do with the screaming about foreigners or the supposed removing of women.
No none of that, I just felt in my gut that the lads were trying to do something far worse than the things it was actually won and lost on and that worries me a lot, that if they come back with a different campaign to do the same thing that it'll actually work if the messaging is right. That's the point missed entirely right there. Even doing it to kick them is missing the point because had they tried to do the right thing they wouldn't have needed kicking.
Examine the wording and think of the implications of removing the By Economic Necessity words instead of the woman part.
I think that was the stroke and everyone missed it, including me until the day of voting.
We fluked this one was all
If this lot put a referendum up for a tax exemption that only applied to me I'd have voted no. I think there's only one more referendum in the life of this government and I'll vote no to it. I'll even be turning out to the local elections to vote against them. I've never turned up to a local election before in my life.
Now tbf I will turn up for the local elections myself this time, which I haven't done in around 20 years and what's more is I'm going to vote for whoever are the greatest absolute clowns that are on the ballot as a protest against every party politician in the country, so I do get the kicking element as well but people needed to be smarter on this latest one as well and at the end of the day, populism won over reason when reason should have won it beyond any of the campaigning from either side.
I'm doing the same in the European elections. The craziest fool on the ballot has my full support. They do fuck all over there anyway.
Quote from: hellfire on March 12, 2024, 09:22:56 PMIf this lot put a referendum up for a tax exemption that only applied to me I'd have voted no. I think there's only one more referendum in the life of this government and I'll vote no to it. I'll even be turning out to the local elections to vote against them. I've never turned up to a local election before in my life.
Turns out there's another ref in June :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Based on this ->
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court
Basically want to transfer patent decision making in this matter to an EU wide court system.
I forgot about the euro elections! Whatever is the equivalent of the mad raving loony party is getting my vote in that too.
Those lads were just ahead of their time was all
Quote from: The Butcher on March 12, 2024, 10:08:13 PMQuote from: hellfire on March 12, 2024, 09:22:56 PMIf this lot put a referendum up for a tax exemption that only applied to me I'd have voted no. I think there's only one more referendum in the life of this government and I'll vote no to it. I'll even be turning out to the local elections to vote against them. I've never turned up to a local election before in my life.
Turns out there's another ref in June :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Based on this ->
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court
Basically want to transfer patent decision making in this matter to an EU wide court system.
Yep that's getting turned down as well
Quote from: The Butcher on March 12, 2024, 10:08:13 PMQuote from: hellfire on March 12, 2024, 09:22:56 PMIf this lot put a referendum up for a tax exemption that only applied to me I'd have voted no. I think there's only one more referendum in the life of this government and I'll vote no to it. I'll even be turning out to the local elections to vote against them. I've never turned up to a local election before in my life.
Turns out there's another ref in June :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Based on this ->
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Patent_Court
Basically want to transfer patent decision making in this matter to an EU wide court system.
Yeah, I heard that during the week. I'll have so many ways to voice my dissatisfaction with the cunts that I may stop infesting the off-topic thread for a while.
Yeah! That upcoming referendum can go fuck itself, too.
As for the couple of lads commenting about not voting in oast local elections.
What the fuck, like!
Why are you pissing and moaning about the government that gets voted in if you don't even at least try to make a stand against them and place your own vote.
Ultimately there's only one way the cunts will or won't get in. So stop doing an Ellefson on the sidelines and fucking get involved.
They've never bothered me in the slightest before. There's no meaningful policy decisions made by them. I couldn't name anyone who has been on any local authority in my lifetime. If I had concerns about the library or such before I would have bothered. Only showing up to this one as a punishment vote.
You are aware it was the local authorities and not the general election we were referring to?
Quote from: jobrok1 on March 13, 2024, 10:38:42 AMYeah! That upcoming referendum can go fuck itself, too.
As for the couple of lads commenting about not voting in oast local elections.
What the fuck, like!
Why are you pissing and moaning about the government that gets voted in if you don't even at least try to make a stand against them and place your own vote.
Ultimately there's only one way the cunts will or won't get in. So stop doing an Ellefson on the sidelines and fucking get involved.
Yeah the local council ones that don't really make any difference. General election is different altogether
Local elections are a fucking joke. Bunch of talking heads who keep getting in the paper saying what should be done, yet it's the unelected county manager who actually makes the decisions.
While getting paid more than what 90% of actual world leaders earn.
It's not even that they are useless they also cause problems. The local councillors where I live went up against the Government over a building that will be used for refugees and instead of stopping it after speaking with the local representatives the Government now plan to bring even more refugees to the area.
That's so typical these days. The tide can be turned this year. A few more poor results should sober them up from the hedonistic woke session they've been at for a few years. Even the recent result seemed to have knocked them for six.
Local reps have slight control over property tax (which is based on your property valuation and the Local Authority Adjustment Factor), but regardless of how useless you think they are, personally I think it's still a good idea to vote as a way of protest, I mean, this is the worst government I can remember (and the 2000s FF bubble government were BAD!)
Channel 4 News report:
Ireland: The rise and human cost of the anti-migrant movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQC1PDGu-M
Those accommodation zone things look grim as fuck.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 14, 2024, 12:32:35 AMChannel 4 News report:
Ireland: The rise and human cost of the anti-migrant movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQC1PDGu-M
Those accommodation zone things look grim as fuck.
Do you fall for propaganda all the time or just when it's left leaning?
The style of that report vs reality is stark.
They did have one good line in there when they pointed out that the likes of dwyer take away from any genuine concerns that people have but of course if one has a brain they'll see through that.
I could write a lot more but it's hard to get the time with the few lynchings I need to get done before bed.
What's the Nigerian lad claiming asylum for? I work with a Nigerian lady and she assures me there's no war or famine there.
The madness can't be underestimated when one approaches it all from a perspective of reason, but when one approaches from a perspective of money then it makes a lot of sense.
I'm always aware of the fact that you're not living here when you post things about it and that's not me being smart with you, it's just me understanding why you don't understand.
I give 5 days a week dealing with the foreign lads and I don't even mind them because I only rate people on whether I think they're sound or not but that's missing the point that too many sound lads is just too many lads.
The Far right thing is just the government fucking with everyone
You don't half go off sometimes :laugh: It's a relatively lengthy report from a mainstream UK media outlet on the issue, take it for what it is, make of it what you will. You'd swear I'd shared a ten minute video of Paul Murphy :laugh:
what came up in my social media recently was a trailer for a show called 'out of order' hosted by Rosie Jones and Katherine Tate and a big black girl. Thats not the shite part; I caught that on the audience's name badges they had their pronouns on them/they. Fuck's sake.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 14, 2024, 12:32:35 AMChannel 4 News report:
Ireland: The rise and human cost of the anti-migrant movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQC1PDGu-M
Those accommodation zone things look grim as fuck.
Yeah but you can see that is a dumb, hyper-biased video, so why post it, I don't get it.
This is what Channel 4 News, a major UK media outlet, has reported about an Irish issue which has been discussed on here at length. Without even getting into the content (which naturally displays a certain bias, although by no means a "hyper" bias), there's no mystery as to its relevance to this thread.
Maybe, but it's hard to take that video seriously (taking my own biases into account) much less the dumb click bait title. I'm also not disputing that the opposite view has its grotesque bias, but the mainstream outlets have been colonised absolutely by the postmodern leftist POV. It's not news, it's propaganda.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 14, 2024, 03:50:19 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 14, 2024, 12:32:35 AMChannel 4 News report:
Ireland: The rise and human cost of the anti-migrant movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQC1PDGu-M
Those accommodation zone things look grim as fuck.
Yeah but you can see that is a dumb, hyper-biased video, so why post it, I don't get it.
Because he's starved of attention
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 14, 2024, 01:30:22 PMwhat came up in my social media recently was a trailer for a show called 'out of order' hosted by Rosie Jones and Katherine Tate and a big black girl. Thats not the shite part; I caught that on the audience's name badges they had their pronouns on them/they. Fuck's sake.
I've brought it up a few times on here but it is worth repeating. Its a religion. They've replaced crucifixes with rainbows. It stopped being about the LGBT or whatever other causes it has latched on to years ago.
Like all other religions it tries to attach itself to governments, education and lately HR departments. A false piety. Ask yourself, have you ever met a gay lad that bratty or annoying in real life?
My Uncle is a homo and when he was drunk at my wedding he railed something rotten against the LGBT 'community'.
The Viking lad from the 'insurrection' speaks out.
https://youtu.be/F4sF8PRN3GU?si=WgsSquXl7pQrdCbO
And now, objectively, whereabouts on the bias spectrum would you place a video of Tucker "er mer gerd Russia and Putin and shopping trolleys are awesome!" Carlson interviewing the "QAnon shaman"? :laugh:
Ah now, kettles be calling pots people of colour :)
:laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 14, 2024, 01:59:31 AMYou don't half go off sometimes :laugh: It's a relatively lengthy report from a mainstream UK media outlet on the issue, take it for what it is, make of it what you will. You'd swear I'd shared a ten minute video of Paul Murphy :laugh:
Aye, guilty as charged. Soon as I hear the words Far Right I just can't help it
Quote from: astfgyl on March 14, 2024, 05:45:49 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 14, 2024, 01:59:31 AMYou don't half go off sometimes :laugh: It's a relatively lengthy report from a mainstream UK media outlet on the issue, take it for what it is, make of it what you will. You'd swear I'd shared a ten minute video of Paul Murphy :laugh:
Aye, guilty as charged. Soon as I hear the words Far Right I just can't help it
Never apologise to them! You're not learning.
Scroll up reply by reply starting from this one from Varg a couple of days ago:
https://twitter.com/BornLik23266/status/1767653425141956636
Once you go too far to any end of a spectrum you start reacting rather than reasoning and then acting. All the in-group signalling bollocks (which is the main reason the extremes of the spectrum appear religion-like) is essentially the same. Same as a reaction of type "If X is saying No, that's all I need to know to say Yes!" Yeah, if you don't enjoy exercising independent control over your own mind it is.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 14, 2024, 05:47:50 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 14, 2024, 05:45:49 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 14, 2024, 01:59:31 AMYou don't half go off sometimes :laugh: It's a relatively lengthy report from a mainstream UK media outlet on the issue, take it for what it is, make of it what you will. You'd swear I'd shared a ten minute video of Paul Murphy :laugh:
Aye, guilty as charged. Soon as I hear the words Far Right I just can't help it
Never apologise to them! You're not learning.
I said I was guilty, not sorry :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 14, 2024, 06:16:43 PMScroll up reply by reply starting from this one from Varg a couple of days ago:
https://twitter.com/BornLik23266/status/1767653425141956636
Once you go too far to any end of a spectrum you start reacting rather than reasoning and then acting. All the in-group signalling bollocks (which is the main reason the extremes of the spectrum appear religion-like) is essentially the same. Same as a reaction of type "If X is saying No, that's all I need to know to say Yes!" Yeah, if you don't enjoy exercising independent control over your own mind it is.
All the other liars are getting paid, you seem to do it for the craic.
I honestly don't even know what that means :laugh: But it is true that Tucker Carlson gets paid handsomely to lie, yes :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 14, 2024, 05:41:37 PMAh now, kettles be calling pots people of colour :)
:laugh: , nice.
The irony is that black isn't actually a colour, its the absence of colour.
One would have thought if any race were to be referred to as "of colour" it would be white people, what with the variety of hair colour, eye colour, skin tone and white being an actual fucking colour.
But sure lets not let reality or common sense get in the way of a good label.
Black not being a colour isn't common sense, it's modern physics. In light (!) of his discoveries, it was remiss of Newton not to add an appendix to his Opticks where he discussed the impending irony of calling people of African descent both black and people of colour.
Black is both a colour and an absence of colour, depending on which framework you are using. The description in physics makes sense in a discussion about physics, but to pretend that the colour of the majority of people who use this forum's wardrobe is not a colour on a technicality is to play the same kind of word games that lead us to war over who can use which toilet. Everything is everything. Everything is nothing.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 16, 2024, 01:05:50 AMQuote from: Caomhaoin on March 14, 2024, 05:41:37 PMAh now, kettles be calling pots people of colour :)
:laugh: , nice.
The irony is that black isn't actually a colour, its the absence of colour.
One would have thought if any race were to be referred to as "of colour" it would be white people, what with the variety of hair colour, eye colour, skin tone and white being an actual fucking colour.
But sure lets not let reality or common sense get in the way of a good label.
"Black is the absence of colour in my true loves hair" doesn't have quite the same ring to it
You refer to black Americans as 'African American' on a consistent basis. They are no more African than they are the man on the moon. Elon Musk is an African American.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 16, 2024, 01:05:50 AMQuote from: Caomhaoin on March 14, 2024, 05:41:37 PMAh now, kettles be calling pots people of colour :)
Sure lookit, yer man is up until 4am sniffing the soma. Intelligence is no protection from the mind virus he's contracted.
:laugh: , nice.
The irony is that black isn't actually a colour, its the absence of colour.
One would have thought if any race were to be referred to as "of colour" it would be white people, what with the variety of hair colour, eye colour, skin tone and white being an actual fucking colour.
But sure lets not let reality or common sense get in the way of a good label.
Fuck me its hard to have a bit of craic on this Forum!- Its a joke ye clowns.
Bunch of fucking pedants.
BSC was raving about "spectrum" above - hence the joke.
my tee shirts are actually really, really, really dark blue and I always refer to blackbirds as African American birds so as not to offend.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 16, 2024, 03:02:09 AMQuote from: son of the Morrigan on March 16, 2024, 01:05:50 AMQuote from: Caomhaoin on March 14, 2024, 05:41:37 PMAh now, kettles be calling pots people of colour :)
Sure lookit, yer man is up until 4am sniffing the soma. Intelligence is no protection from the mind virus he's contracted.
:laugh: , nice.
The irony is that black isn't actually a colour, its the absence of colour.
One would have thought if any race were to be referred to as "of colour" it would be white people, what with the variety of hair colour, eye colour, skin tone and white being an actual fucking colour.
But sure lets not let reality or common sense get in the way of a good label.
Sometimes an idea is so stupid only an intellectual can understand it.
BSC is the MSNBC of the forum. Let him off but obviously don't take what he says seriously.
Removed for pointless goading.
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
Quote from: Carnage on March 16, 2024, 04:04:21 AMOH FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
:laugh:
Ah you're dead right. In real life I just watch the telly and go to the gym :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 16, 2024, 02:55:54 AMYou refer to black Americans as 'African American' on a consistent basis. They are no more African than they are the man on the moon. Elon Musk is an African American.
I remember seeing an interview years ago with Johnny Oduya, and the reporter asked him what it was like being an African-American player in the NHL. His reply: "I'm Swedish."
And do ye know that in China, Chinese food is just called food? :laugh:
I was just taking the piss out of Morrigan; the aul "When you get angry you turn red, when you get sick, you turn green...but you call us colored?" type thing is a pretty thread bare trope at this stage, see also Steve Beko in Cry Freedom.
I see the refugee loving government have allowed the tent city to be bulldozed and shipped them all out of town for the optics in time for Paddy's Day. Now as you all know, I'm of the opinion that those lads shouldn't have been there in the first place but leaving them there until the day before the shit parade is pretty fuckin bleak whatever way you cut it.
Anyway, so it seems that the lads weren't happy with their new accommodation and have made their way walking back to the city centre, where they will find their tents and any belongings left behind have been removed.
And then the plot thickened another bit in the last couple of hours when some members of the Virgin Media news team appear to be giving them lifts back into town in their cars, as evidenced by some videos taken by the locals.
I'm keeping an eye on the VM news bit because I'm not 100 percent on it, but if it does turn out to be true it's very odd indeed.
Anyway, the whole episode seems to have caused plenty of offence in all corners of the eternal bout
Genuine question, but is there some kind of transparency or conflict of interests or something that Virgin Media staff would need to be aware of in giving people lifts?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 16, 2024, 09:57:45 PMGenuine question, but is there some kind of transparency or conflict of interests or something that Virgin Media staff would need to be aware of in giving people lifts?
Ah lad ffs
What's the craic with tent city? I've missed that.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 16, 2024, 11:33:15 PMWhat's the craic with tent city? I've missed that.
A rake of the immigrants who couldn't be accommodated have set up a little tent city in Dublin City centre, so for the bad look of it they were bussed out of there this morning and their tents apparently bulldozed. Couldn't have em fucking up the Paddy's Day parade and all that. Of course now they're unhappy because the word is that instead of being moved somewhere proper they were just given tents in a place out of the way instead so have broke out and walked back to town.
The rest of it is unclear as of now
Quote from: astfgyl on March 16, 2024, 11:38:45 PMThe rest of it is unclear as of now
The tent city is back. The official word from Leo was they were moved for health and safety reasons.
I don't know how any part of that scenario could be taken as being a real solution to an already divisive and emotive issue. Shit for Dubs, a shit own goal for the left, a perfect gift for the far right and a huge kick in the balls for the immigrants. Giving asylum seekers tents, or if not physically handing tents out to them but letting them use that as their housing solution when they get here would suggest that Ireland is full? I'm not anti immigration by any stretch and I believe there is an imperative on wealthy countries to help out other countries that are ravaged by war, but there has to be a level of fairness applied to the host and the immigrant/ asylum seeking populations. Fucked up scenario for everyone involved by the looks of it.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 16, 2024, 11:57:34 PMI believe there is an imperative on wealthy countries to help out other countries that are ravaged by war
This is the problem for most people the majority coming here are not fleeing war. It was officially reported even by RTE that 70% of the people that came through Dublin Airport in 2023 seeking asylum had no passport or identity document of any kind. Up until a few months ago this was said to be a crazy conspiracy theory pushed by the far right.
Messy.
Quote from: mickO))) on March 16, 2024, 11:56:36 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 16, 2024, 11:38:45 PMThe rest of it is unclear as of now
The tent city is back. The official word from Leo was they were moved for health and safety reasons.
So are they back healthy and safe now?
Quote from: astfgyl on March 17, 2024, 10:14:31 AMQuote from: mickO))) on March 16, 2024, 11:56:36 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 16, 2024, 11:38:45 PMThe rest of it is unclear as of now
The tent city is back. The official word from Leo was they were moved for health and safety reasons.
So are they back healthy and safe now?
The health and safety issue was due to the shite and rubbish, it was the civil servants going mental, it's outside a government office. It isn't for optics, it's literally staff threatening to down tools.
So what will they do now that the tents are back?
Keep complaining and roaring at the minister I'd imagine. There is some sort of stand off between them and the council as well over keeping the area clean. O'Gorman hasn't a clue what he is doing but he won't bloody listen to anyone (a common theme amongst the greens).
Aside from anything to do with the migrant situation, O'Gorman should have long been gone over the Tusla situation. This tent thing seems to have annoyed everybody at once anyway
Quote from: astfgyl on March 16, 2024, 10:02:45 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 16, 2024, 09:57:45 PMGenuine question, but is there some kind of transparency or conflict of interests or something that Virgin Media staff would need to be aware of in giving people lifts?
Ah lad ffs
What? I genuinely don't grasp how lifts being given constitutes a thickening of the plot or should be seen as "very odd." Can you give the reasons rather than just alluding to them?
QuoteAnd then the plot thickened another bit in the last couple of hours when some members of the Virgin Media news team appear to be giving them lifts back into town in their cars, as evidenced by some videos taken by the locals.
I'm keeping an eye on the VM news bit because I'm not 100 percent on it, but if it does turn out to be true it's very odd indeed.
OK, here's the simple version that seems to have escaped you:
If the members of the news team are taking part in making the news as well as reporting on it well then they aren't going to be the impartial observers that I would like to see from a news outlet.
They will be biased as fuck, obviously.
Does that logic apply to all situations? Like, should a journalist witnessing a crime they could stop not do so? Or, if they do stop the crime, they can't report on what led to it or what the victim feels about it? I don't know much about what is expected of journalists in these kinds of situations.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 17, 2024, 03:49:26 PMDoes that logic apply to all situations? Like, should a journalist witnessing a crime they could stop not do so? Or, if they do stop the crime, they can't report on what led to it or what the victim feels about it? I don't know much about what is expected of journalists in these kinds of situations.
I think you're playing intentionally dumb here because it suits your political leanings. Nobody was being robbed or assaulted or murdered here and you well know that.
The jokers then went on to report the situation and turned the comments off.
Seriously man I know you're smarter than taking that angle
The typical problem in this thread is not people playing dumb but people playing knowledgeable about things they have a strong opinion but little knowledge about. On the question of journalistic ethics, I am dumb and have no problem admitting it. Have asked a journalist friend, don't know when he'll get back to me though, it being Paddy's day and all.
He must be babysitting and on the dry like me :laugh: Pasting in his replies from a whatsapp exchange:
QuoteIf they said "I'll give you a lift back to Dublin if I can interview you", that would be unethical.
If it was totally separate, i.e. the interview was done and that was the end of it, an individual journalist thought it would be the decent thing to do, independent of their employer, that is different.
It's hard to know what their motivation would be, i.e. trying to develop a source or maybe Virgin directed them to do it? I'd like to think it was humans trying to be sound, but it raises questions and speculation. Easiest way to avoid that grey area is not do it.
are we talking about a video interview that was in the can? Then the person can say they were just being sound.
It's kind of a moot point anyway. There's not really objective ethical standards to adhere to. It depends on the publication/station. Like the Irish Times [where he used to work] has a code of ethics it sets out. But that is voluntary. I'm quite sure the Daily Mail doesn't do that :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 17, 2024, 06:26:50 PMThe typical problem in this thread is not people playing dumb but people playing knowledgeable about things they have a strong opinion but little knowledge about. On the question of journalistic ethics, I am dumb and have no problem admitting it. Have asked a journalist friend, don't know when he'll get back to me though, it being Paddy's day and all.
Do you honestly need to ask a journalist friend about the right and wrong of that situation?
I don't believe that for one second.
Edit: I was thinking of committing an oul rape or two but I sent a message to my rapist friend first to see if they could decide for me whether it was right or wrong first.
Grow up
I'd encourage you to re-read your 'Edit' a few times until you see why it doesn't work as a parallel to the situation we're talking about, on top of being needlessly distasteful, and then edit your post a second time to delete it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 17, 2024, 08:00:11 PMI'd encourage you to re-read your 'Edit' a few times until you see why it doesn't work as a parallel to the situation we're talking about, on top of being needlessly distasteful, and then edit your post a second time to delete it.
No. You are being distasteful by insulting both your own and my intelligence by pretending that you can't see what is wrong with Virgin Media news giving the lads a lift back into town and then reporting on the same situation as if it had nothing to do with them.
You will have to do better. When you stop your obfuscation in trying to make on that's grand for the news channel to do then I will stop comparing it to very distasteful things.
But you won't so I won't.
Delete?
You're having a fucking laugh surely.
I know you see it and also you know you see it but you're so hopelessly biased as to pretend to both you and I that you don't see it.
That's your problem. I picked the thing that was in the poorest taste for a reason and you have of course spotted that too but you are too politically bent to see it.
I stand over everything I've said on this one.
Edit: I'm actually disappointed with the weakness of your argument on this one. You usually give me something to think about.
Do better.
Sure anyway, I showed you everything the lad I asked said. What you presumed to be true in this particular case struck me as an interesting general question, so I asked a mate who'd know better about it than me, and the contextual elements he told me are just that: (mildly) interesting.
It's a lot like making love to a beautiful woman but asking Swiss Tony for advice first.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 17, 2024, 08:00:11 PMI'd encourage you to re-read your 'Edit' a few times until you see why it doesn't work as a parallel to the situation we're talking about, on top of being needlessly distasteful, and then edit your post a second time to delete it.
Actually the more I think about it, I should have phrased that better.
So I was wondering if a particular aspect of rape was right or wrong and I messaged my friend who does that for a living to talk me through it. He said it was grand so now I'll use what he said to back up my weak shit politically biased argument and now I don't have to take responsibility for having my own opinion on right and wrong because someone who knows what it's all about has already done that for me.
Weak as a kitten. Do better
https://twitter.com/surplustakes/status/1770020025945948164
I wonder how soon it will take to have these type of notices to be plonked up in public over here. Also had the Ramadan RTE news segments. It took how long to get out of Catholic control in this country just to let other (worse imo) religions fester and burrow in?
Pluralism is a good way forward though. If Catholicism had had a pluralist mindset, we'd have maintained a much more vibrant attachment to our pagan traditions. The problem with things like this King's Cross Koran message is it's paying lip-service to pluralism by turning it into a shallow feat of account balancing; they think what's needed is less Christianity and more Islam/other minority religions. Any nation with a proper educational system has nothing to worry about with celebrating the cultural aspects of various traditions, because the education will ensure that these are understood as culture and not descriptions of reality (i.e. education, not censorship in any direction, is the only long-term preventive against fundamentalism, or religions "festering and burrowing in"). Throwing up arms at things like this (which are mistakes imo because at the same time there does appear to be a push to minimize visibility of Christianity, which in my view is the other side of the same mistake) only exacerbates the potential for said festering. And that includes festering among your BNP types also.
That may well be the biggest load of crap you've written on here. There has been so much, but I think you've finally peaked.
"I think we should educate society to live and let live universally."
"Peak crap!"
Pretty good summation of the dynamic between us in this thread alright!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 19, 2024, 05:20:01 PM"I think we should educate society to live and let live universally."
That's the lefty I used to think I was until I got magically transported to the far right without changing my ways at all
Don't know I'd call it "lefty": it's the core of classic Enlightenment humanism and as a value it's been pissed on as much by the "left" as the "right" since first being nominally gestured towards as the grand unifying principle of modern western civilization.
Catholicism is a fine religion, its Roman Catholicism that's problematic.
Irish Catholicism was a very laid back affair comfortably incorporating pagan and Christian traditions until the mid 1800s when the Vatican decided to bring it too heel.
Up until then there were no priestly garments, mass was regarded as a once in a while affair, the Priest wasn't overly revered and Saint days ware often celebrated in pagan tradition, like shaking chicken blood on the four corners of the house for St. Martins day for instance.
The ever increasing demand for vocations from the Vatican, its involvement in the education system, and its Iron fist approach after the mid 1800s has been sometimes referred to as "the black rash", the symptoms of which we suffer from to this day.
I say we tell the Vatican to go fuck its self and go back to our auld half-arsed approach to Catholicism, if there's one thing the Irish do well its half-arsing.
Great news about Varadkar stepping down. Now if the rest of the current government would fuck off with him that would be great. My guess is they're going to try to get someone who will appear less woke until they get reelected. After that they'll go back to the business of fucking the country up.
You'd wonder what has happened behind closed doors given how arrogant the prick has been over the last few years anytime he was asked to resign and now he does it out of nowhere. I'd say either a scandal is about to be made public or he got one of those UN council jobs that Trudeau and the rest are mad after. Even just not seeing Varadakars face or hearing his voice moving forward is a good thing but in the grand scheme of things some other prick will just take over and continue his work.
I'd imagine he has some overpaid, low effort job lined up for sure. He'd have to be compensated for years of throwing the electorate under the bus. I think someone put a pin in their arrogance balloon with the referendum result. They sobered up and realised that the plebs they've been stepping on still have a say. Hoping this is the beginning of the end for woke terrorism.
Load of factors involved no doubt, but I reckon he wouldn't be resigning had the referendums gone their way.
The guff he gave Cowen all those years back about "ruining the country" is looking quite special now. Varadkar in my opinion has been the worst in my lifetime and that's quite an achievement given the names that would appear on that list. We've had lovable rogues and out and out corruption but those individuals were politically astute, shrewd.
The term arrogant prick was used earlier, I'd lob in coward and snivelling yes man on top. Next.
Something's gonna come out, it's fairly obvious. He wouldn't have stepped down now otherwise, particularly when he didn't quit after the last election (5 or 6 counts before he got in, the worst performing sitting Taoiseach in the history of the state).
Watching the body language and expressions of those around him in the press conference - McEntee was fidgety and dour, she knows something; Harris had a face like thunder, he's been told he won't have a shot at the leadership; Donoghue was wondering which Teletubby was which; Coveney was as smug as only the heir apparent could be, he's next up.
Varadkar is an absolutely vile person, delighted to see the back of him. There has been no shortage of complete chancers in office before but at least the likes of Haughey and Aherne, crooked as they were, had a bit of personality about them. Predictable enough farewell speech, big up the emotions, take credit for stuff that nothing to do with this government, put a positive spin on, or just dismiss, the shit stuff. Clown.
Good riddance to the horrible slimebag. There's obviously a lot more to it given it's politics. He was all but gone before covid and then somehow his approval went up again, as he openly made jokes in the statements about lockdown, while people were afraid to leave their homes.
His resignation could only be bettered by his death.
Quote from: hellfire on March 20, 2024, 02:03:41 PMGreat news about Varadkar stepping down. Now if the rest of the current government would fuck off with him that would be great. My guess is they're going to try to get someone who will appear less woke until they get reelected. After that they'll go back to the business of fucking the country up.
This. They will continue along the exact same path once they've convinced enough folk that they've changed to get back in.
I would love to see them wiped out of existence, along with ff, the greens and also the shinners.
Doesn't leave much but we can cross that bridge when we come to it
Was listening to radio on drive to work and the inevitable discussion of his successor came up.
Simon Harris, Paschal Donohue and Helen McEntee being mooted, in that order.
Christ, just when you think things can't get any worse.
Delighted he's gone. Finally! A unifying cause for the thread lol
https://twitter.com/thelittlegreen6/status/1770468270212067508?t=o1-HQ1m98WjH5GSzvl3nAg&s=19
It was only a matter of time but here we all are
Quote from: John Kimble on March 20, 2024, 05:33:22 PMWas listening to radio on drive to work and the inevitable discussion of his successor came up.
Simon Harris, Paschal Donohue and Helen McEntee being mooted, in that order.
Christ, just when you think things can't get any worse.
Ah for fucks sake
Quote from: Carnage on March 20, 2024, 03:57:51 PMSomething's gonna come out, it's fairly obvious.
As much as I believe this is why he stepped down I don't think anything will come out sure look at Horse face in New Zealand who is arguably even worse then Leo basically the female Trudeau she stepped down in a similar fashion out of nowhere. It's been over a year and not a thing has come out about her.
Delighted he's gone as he is a prick but as far as Taoiseachs go there was far worse than him. Bertie for one.
As much as I didn't like the man I think Leo was worse than Bertie
"He's the most skillful, the most devious, the most cunning of them all."
Charlie on Bertie. Most above a certain age would say Charlie was the worst, but Bertie has to be given his dues for his active contributions to how bad Charlie was, well before his own time even came around. I couldn't stand Leo, but honestly think he pales compared to those two. Not to an extent I'd be bothered arguing it though; shower of selfish pricks the lot of them.
Undoubtedly Aherne and Haughey were dodgy AF. I don't think this is in dispute. And in terms of outright crookedness, far worse than Varadkar. Apart from that suggestion of leaking info to a GP acquaintance, Leo was far too shrewd to get embroiled in a scandal. But zero, absolutely ZERO likeability. Consistently came across as insincere and smarmy, even by political standards. Aherne could fall back on the Good Friday Agreement, to an extent, and Haughey...well, I'm struggling here tbh, between the Arms Crisis, tax evasion and extra-marital affairs.
The prevailing mood in the country is very low. Mood isn't a very tangible thing and hard to quantify, but I think at a time of supposedly increased prosperity and higher standards of living, things are pretty bad. I'm delighted Varadkar is gone but I'm only unhappy that it wasn't through a general election, where the public got to express their dissatisfaction through the ballot box.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on March 20, 2024, 06:21:54 PMAs much as I didn't like the man I think Leo was worse than Bertie
Nowhere near. At the height of the celtic tiger there were no social houses built. He created the housing crisis we have now. Leo's a cunt but Haughey and Bertie were far bigger cunts.
I'm going to dig in and say worse, the country is a shambles at the minute in every respect.
Bad as Bertie undoubtedly was I could live a normal life while he was in power. Not saying he was more likeable than Varadkar. He certainly wasn't more honest anyway.
QuoteBad as Bertie undoubtedly was I could live a normal life while he was in power
That's it.
I think you'll see longer lasting damage from Leo's tenure.
Maybe so, but a significant part of the damage you're living now is long lasting stuff from Bertie's tenure.
Was only chatting to a lad about this. One is as bad as the other but we had money or at least the illusion of it with Bertie The Absolute Bollix.
Also agree on the general fuck the lot of em vibe though.
I despise all of it.
Quote from: open face surgery on March 20, 2024, 05:29:58 PMHis resignation could only be bettered by his death.
That's it in a nutshell
Lads yer way off the mark. Haughey fucked this country for years in the 70's and 80's. The shit show that is housing is all FF and berties fault.
And if we want to go for the worst taoiseach take a bow De Valera. Sold this country to the Catholic Church leading to untold horrors and a crap economy that was only turned around when Sean Lemass was Taoiseach.
Stick a black metal logo top left and you have one of the most spine chilling album sleeves of all time
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The FF governments since the 90s ballooned the property bubble and rejigged the tax code eliminating the idea of a single income family (or just one earner individual) being able to exist on one wage which catapulted the bubble further to the detriment of all society. Now you can't really survive without two wages that is a huge shift in the wrong direction. FF/Greens then guaranteed ALL the banks (golden circle - Anglo/Nationwide should have been let fail) ensuring mistakes will be repeated due to no consequences - then NAMA put a floor on the property market and propped it up to no end. Someone mentioned the lack of social housing, so many different factors all contributing.
2012/2013 we had a chance to shift directions but FG/Labour made sure to continue the awful governance by using taxpayers money to bulldoze ghost estates and then introduce the vulture funds into the country which bounced the property market back into this hellish landscape we have now where it's extremely difficult to rent or buy a home and turning homes into housing units to stuff as many sardines in the can. Leo has ramped all this stuff up along with the rest of things we've moaned about in this thread and many others.
Quote from: Ollkiller on March 20, 2024, 09:43:34 PMAnd if we want to go for the worst taoiseach take a bow De Valera. Sold this country to the Catholic Church leading to untold horrors
One of just many reasons stuff like this should be met with open alarm:
https://twitter.com/ThoughtsToby/status/1768979471690792960
This is going to be good. Going from a Harold Shipman fanboy as Taoiseach to Ralph Wiggum.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 21, 2024, 02:11:24 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on March 20, 2024, 09:43:34 PMAnd if we want to go for the worst taoiseach take a bow De Valera. Sold this country to the Catholic Church leading to untold horrors
One of just many reasons stuff like this should be met with open alarm:
https://twitter.com/ThoughtsToby/status/1768979471690792960
This gobshite. Think he was posting a Traveller/local townie scraps from ballina and saying it was Ukrainians a few months back.
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Germany and Adidas admit they kinda goofed when designing the number fonts for their new kit... :laugh:
Quote from: John Kimble on March 20, 2024, 07:30:34 PMHaughey...well, I'm struggling here tbh, between the Arms Crisis, tax evasion and extra-marital affairs.
"But, I wonder, will RTE at least pay him some tribute for the hugely important initiating role he played in the North's peace process? I ask this question because Haughey has been written out of the narrative by the establishment media and that came home to me when Albert Reynolds died in August this year." (https://thebrokenelbow.com/2014/12/04/will-rte-tell-the-story-of-charles-haughey-the-peace-process/)
Aul lad mocking Irish Lives Matters heads as one of them (Fergus Power I think) is arrested. His glee is fair contagious!
https://twitter.com/Reunify32/status/1775227116176453905
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 03, 2024, 12:26:53 PMAul lad mocking Irish Lives Matters heads as one of them (Fergus Power I think) is arrested. His glee is fair contagious!
https://twitter.com/Reunify32/status/1775227116176453905
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/KKavDKlBwg. Full video at that link
There's another video of him harassing the young workers in the shop. Beacaue you know, the workers don't look Irish. At least they have a job.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-education/the-meltdown-at-a-middle-school-in-a-liberal-town
I laughed all the way through this sorry tale of what happened when everyone tried to pander to the inclusivity brigade in that school. Seems like the obvious logical conclusion really but this particular example is really something else. Also that diversity equity inclusion thing, while seemingly nice on the face of it is the most racist thing since segregation. Fuckin hilarious
Quote from: astfgyl on April 05, 2024, 09:58:32 AMhttps://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-education/the-meltdown-at-a-middle-school-in-a-liberal-town
I laughed all the way through this sorry tale of what happened when everyone tried to pander to the inclusivity brigade in that school. Seems like the obvious logical conclusion really but this particular example is really something else. Also that diversity equity inclusion thing, while seemingly nice on the face of it is the most racist thing since segregation. Fuckin hilarious
That is one hell of a car crash.
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 03, 2024, 01:21:34 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 03, 2024, 12:26:53 PMAul lad mocking Irish Lives Matters heads as one of them (Fergus Power I think) is arrested. His glee is fair contagious!
https://twitter.com/Reunify32/status/1775227116176453905
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/KKavDKlBwg. Full video at that link
Brilliant 🤣🤣🤣
Poor Paul Connolly from newstalk seems to be in spot of bother after he dropped his phone at the Coolock says no protest yesterday. Some interesting videos and screenshots of texts circulating from his phone.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 07, 2024, 12:38:54 PMPoor Paul Connolly from newstalk seems to be in spot of bother after he dropped his phone at the Coolock says no protest yesterday. Some interesting videos and screenshots of texts circulating from his phone.
Saw that there last night. The plot thickens for anyone thick enough not to have already figured it out. Saying all that though, I'm sure enough that someone will come out and say it's not real or that it's meaningless and he's only freelance rather than an actual employee etc
Ties in nicely with the Virgin Media news lads giving the boys their lift back into town.
Making the news as well as reporting. No bias in our Media :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
https://twitter.com/ed_razors72027/status/1776733978390589576
https://twitter.com/AndyHeasman2/status/1776912757268394000
On the surface this doesn't feel like the smoking gun these lads are making it out to be, especially since in that second tweet it's clear Connolly was also in contact with "the far right" and had had meet ups with them also (plus suggesting further future ones). I think someone making a documentary has a lot of room for deniability (honest or dishonest) of involvement in the activities they were present for, so even if he was helping them organize (which I guess is the charge) rather than just present, it's going to be very difficult to prove it was the former rather than the latter. Maybe I'm missing something more directly incriminating of Connolly actually organizing rather than tagging along Louis Theroux style, if so ye can share. And are they sure it's his phone? I wonder who was filming then? Though maybe that has no importance.
He is doing a documentary and interviewed some people already from the so called 'far right' because he said he wanted to show the entire story of what is going.
I don't know what part of his documentary would involve him showing up masked at a Coolock says no protest with an Irish flag that has refugees welcome on it. No matter what way you spin it this was clearly an attempt to agitate people and get them to act out then the media can yet again portray them and anyone who goes against the narrative in a bad light.
Then on top of that this was done by a MSM journalist. I highly doubt this was a solo mission or side project of his many more from the media had to have been involved.
As for it being his phone it has been 24 hours since this broke he hasn't made any comments on it and anyone who has tried to get in contact with him can't get through to his phone.
Cool, cheers for the added info.
It still looks to me like any of the things he's being accused of, given the evidence, would be easy for any documentarian to explain away. Could be proven wrong on that though!
Quote from: mickO))) on April 07, 2024, 03:44:41 PMAs for it being his phone it has been 24 hours since this broke he hasn't made any comments on it and anyone who has tried to get in contact with him can't get through to his phone.
That's the bit that doesn't make sense. They have a powered on, unlocked iPhone in those videos. Messages and calls would still come through so it should be the easiest thing in the world to verify that it's his. Surely they didn't let the battery die given they're so worked up over it.
I don't think it's his phone. If it was his, then why were there voice messages from him on it?
It's the phone of whoever was taking the video more likely.
Anyway, unless he was doing some sort of exposé on the Irish extreme left and their underhand tactics, he has been caught rotten. I think we all know what the chances are of that being what he was doing...
And still something doesn't sit right with me over the convenience of all this.. can't put my finger on it but my gut is saying something is up with how they got that phone unlocked and the names in it. It's just too lucky or something. We'll see anyway
Quote from: Born of Fire on April 07, 2024, 08:05:32 PMQuote from: mickO))) on April 07, 2024, 03:44:41 PMAs for it being his phone it has been 24 hours since this broke he hasn't made any comments on it and anyone who has tried to get in contact with him can't get through to his phone.
That's the bit that doesn't make sense. They have a powered on, unlocked iPhone in those videos. Messages and calls would still come through so it should be the easiest thing in the world to verify that it's his. Surely they didn't let the battery die given they're so worked up over it.
It was an iPhone all you need to do is get to the nearest computer or phone log into your account and you disable the phone remotely. It also looks it was just a group of local lads that picked it up. The strange thing for me is who in this day and age has a phone with no passcode on it.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 07, 2024, 10:34:43 PMAnd still something doesn't sit right with me over the convenience of all this.. can't put my finger on it but my gut is saying something is up with how they got that phone unlocked and the names in it. It's just too lucky or something. We'll see anyway
Some now saying video indicates the phone was swiped off the ground beside Connolly (presuming it was him) while he was still down (having been tackled in some way). If the gardai are convinced of this, then the story will prob pivot in the direction of assault and theft fairly quickly and Connolly will be able to tell (or make up, if ye like) any story he wishes about the reasons for his presence and he'll be believed over those accused of mugging him. If it goes that way.
And if it does, then it could well be rolled in with this latest fairly more serious story, something along the lines of the Ireland Is Full crowd encouraging thuggery and violence. Which they are, if any of ye saw video from a couple of weeks ago where anti-immigration organizers were goading a gang of young teenage lads into chants of "Get them out!"
https://www.thesun.ie/news/12701490/josip-strok-fatal-attack-clondalkin-dublin-not-speaking-english/
The inevitable conclusion of the proliferation of nativist bullshit, no matter how respectably it's dressed up.
Or the inevitable conclusion of dressing up chancers as asylum seekers and filling every nook and cranny of the country with them.
Or both, and the answer is somewhere in the middle as usual.
Re the phone thing, it is very damning that yer man was in a balaclava or similar trying to incite violence at a protest, whatever his reasoning. Although still something doesn't sit right with me and I just dunno what. There'll be more to all this I'm sure even if he does explain it away.
My prediction is that, in real rather than fantasy world terms, there'll be very little more to this at all. The lads who have the phone, prime failures of the education system, to put it politely, haven't a notion how the real world actually works. They're creaming their pants over this, sure that they've got a money shot, but I have a distinct feeling those creamy pants are going to blow up in their faces, out of sheer ineptitude. But sure let's see!
I can't see him going to the Guards because then he is admitting he was there which will open up a whole other investigation. The Guards clearly have taken a side in what has been going on in the country so they have no interest in looking into what went on but if he presses charges bringing more attention to the matter then they may be forced to look into why a journalist was at a protest trying to incite violence. I doubt Newstalk want anymore attention brought to it either.
Everyone is just hoping if they say nothing this will just fade into the background and be forgotten about in a few weeks.
Apparently (even) John McGuirk recognizes it's not at all the smoking gun many want it to be:
https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1776983876230910023
Going so far as to suggest, not at all unfounded, that it may even be illegal just to handle the phone (i.e. if indeed stolen):
https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1776993734137094167
Though for all I know McGuirk has already been sidelined by the hardcore.
McGuirk has long been sidelined by the hardcore as the old favourite Controlled Opposition™. I think he said something along the lines of legal and working immigrants being no problem and also that if towns are taking a lot of applicants that they should be compensated in terms of local services or such like. Oh, and he said Justin Barrett was no friend of his as well.
So, unless he's publishing something that the lads agree with, then he's the enemy apparently.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 08, 2024, 01:57:29 PMMcGuirk has long been sidelined by the hardcore as the old favourite Controlled Opposition™. I think he said something along the lines of legal and working immigrants being no problem and also that if towns are taking a lot of applicants that they should be compensated in terms of local services or such like. Oh, and he said Justin Barrett was no friend of his as well.
So, unless he's publishing something that the lads agree with, then he's the enemy apparently.
A lot of people have no respect for Gript on both sides for a number of reasons and not even the ones you stated above. I don't even know who Justin Barrett is and the vast majority of people have no issue with legal immigration (Although that is starting to change now because of how bad the current situation is getting / the lack of response to how people feel from the Government) plenty of legal immigrants are showing up to the protests as well. Gript are seen by many as the Fox News of Ireland opposition in name only.
The sad irony is no doubt lost on these scumbags having said words along these lines according to the other victim:
"Speak English, you are in Ireland, you are not at home, you have no respect for our country. This is Ireland".
>:(
Pathetic scum no doubt twisted further by all the hate nonsense espoused by the usual suspects who have come out of the woodwork the past few years complaining about governments trying to scare us and control us, now trying to scare and control people themselves...
On a related note I see John McGhee donated €200 to the biggest shithead in Cork for his political foray. The same gimp telling workers in Cork to go back to their own country, while he was working in Canada previously, has a Canadian wife here, and has brothers working in England. Oh and gives out about non-vetted males, but worked with kids in his local GAA club without being Garda vetted, and whose brother changed his name to try to escape his criminal past (drug dealing and assault). He and his brother are now leading this new party to apparently protect women and children, despite entering other people's homes, assaulting neighbours children and one of them selling drugs in different towns and impacting on families.
What a bunch of lowlife fucking hypocrites the lot of them. And here we have the sorry repercussions of all the shite talk and hate from their ilk in Dublin. But yeah brush off the death and excuse it because of government policy :-\
Aye, an accusation of "inciting violence" from heads who record themselves claiming that writing "Refugees Welcome" on an Irish flag is "defacing" it versus incited violence that actually gets someone killed. I just don't know which is worse.
If what you're talking about is the case, that whatever the lads are saying is getting people killed then shouldn't the lads trying to set them off have to take responsibility for trying to inflame an already volatile situation?
I'm sure I'll be served up some sort of reason from someone as to why dirty tactics are less bad from one crowd but more bad from the other. And if the roles were reversed I'd get the reverse argument. No point in breaking it down to potential consequence like that to weigh up which wrong is more wrong. There was an accusation made with some apparent evidence to back it up. Is there anything to that thing in particular?
If the journalist covered himself up and tried to get a scrap going at the protest then he is for sure in the wrong entirely and should be in trouble with the law. Even if the lads having the phone are wrong to have it and are gimps as well, that still wouldn't excuse yer man.
However if he wasn't there and doing that well then there's a different story to be told that hasn't been heard yet.
Does anyone know what is actually established about the story so far, without reference to the character of anyone involved? Not motive or anything, just what actually happened that's known for definite as of now?
This is from the Burkean, so absolutely on-side with the far left conspiracy angle. Sounds like "the far left" did fuck all on site:
QuoteSaturday, April 6th
The demonstration in the city centre was cancelled, seemingly due to bad weather. At around 3.20pm, several people came to the picket protest in Coolock in the north of the city. They set up a tripod and started filming while unfurling flags with leftist slogans.
They were immediately confronted by the protestors and physically removed. In their haste, smartphones ended up in the hands of the nationalist protestors. [This we know to be false from video showing the "far right" heads tackling them and potentially swiping the phone while presumably Connolly was still lying on the ground.]
The data on the phones seemed to show a shocking level of coordination between ANTIFA, the media, leftist politicians, and Muslim activists.
Locals also claimed that a riot squad were waiting nearby. This is highly unnecessary and bizarre, given that the picket protest has been ongoing for weeks and Ireland currently has a Garda staffing shortage.
...
the more sinister picture that many are lending credence to is the possibility that the state's police force cooperated with antifa and journalists to potentially incite a violent incident in the presence of women and children.
https://www.theburkean.ie/uncategorized/2024/04/07/coolock-update-did-antifa-work-with-police-and-media-attempting-a-false-flag-op-but-getting-beaten-up-instead
Seen Ivor Cummins profile pop up in relation to this Paul Connolly thing a few times, a character I haven't though about in years. Is he a recurring or fringe feature in the Blighe, Irish_Git, etc., circles? He's certainly a man who knows how to spin a conspiracy theory.
Ivor Cummins was right about a lot of stuff at the beginning of covid, and presented a very reasonable viewpoint counter to everyone who was screaming about it which I'm not getting into again btw. Anyway, what happened to him since was that the algorithm threw him into the echo chamber and now everything is connected, Alex Jones style, and now he's with that side of things altogether and he's the one screaming about stuff which is unfortunate but oh well whatever he knows no more than anyone else about that phone and video incident.
Gript did some write up on it today, having gotten statements from NewsTalk I think. It's behind a paywall though.
McGuirk posted that Newstalk told
him Connolly was undercover for his documentary. Pretty much what you would expect from them and it still doesn't explain why he showed up masked trying to antagonise the people protesting.
The turning up masked up is not an easy one to wriggle out of but I suppose he'll have to give it a go at least
Some trying to get McGuirk kicked out of Gript. I think..?
https://twitter.com/wethepeopleeire/status/1779943298464903430
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 16, 2024, 12:07:56 AMSome trying to get McGuirk kicked out of Gript. I think..?
https://twitter.com/wethepeopleeire/status/1779943298464903430
Tis all or nothing with the lads really. They should all just go back to rte and the Irish Times and drive themselves mad altogether. He's sticking to his story that outsiders were causing trouble the other night anyway so I don't get the problem. It's in the locals favour the way he pointed that out.
Anyway, back to pc gone mad, I came across this amusing little nugget and thought it would fit in this thread
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/12/why-was-an-afghan-flasher-granted-asylum/
I see Gript have offered the big story about the referendum to any news outlet who wishes to publish it and will furnish them with the documents and all. Not a lot of interest so far....
Edit: it will also be interesting to see if the lack of interest from the larger media outlets will be perceived as there being no story to tell and that being how one side writes off the fact that the government and pals in media actively tried to deceive the public over the potential consequences of the yes vote.
Conversely, if it is a nothing story thus the lack of interest, the other side will see it as further confirmation that the government and media are working to a common narrative, even if it is actually due to a non story.
https://youtu.be/fxfCRwcIlmc?si=EtGAoU6p1Bv8e3AS
It's crazy that something like this can just be passed and the people of the country have no say in it.
It's just all so fuckin tiring.
That ICHR yoke is a total front, got sweet fuck all to do with "human rights" in the sense anyone typically means that, the name chosen for pure dramatic effect when it was launched as an antivax lobby group during the pandemic. I would be interested in hearing criticism from a more credible source than this one-woman show though, as there are definite changes coming at the EU level.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 19, 2024, 11:54:45 AMThat ICHR yoke is a total front, got sweet fuck all to do with "human rights" in the sense anyone typically means that, the name chosen for pure dramatic effect when it was launched as an antivax lobby group during the pandemic. I would be interested in hearing criticism from a more credible source than this one-woman show though, as there are definite changes coming at the EU level.
I was fairly sure the ICHR thing was pro vaccine. Must be mixing them up with something else.
No surprise: having people mix them up with well-established pre-existing bodies was certainly intentional when yer wan was naming her little outfit. There was already an ICHR (Irish Centre for Human Rights) at University of Galway, as well as the IHREC (Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission).
Isn't yer wan the one that got all the donations to fight Covid regulations in the courts, but all the money is essentially unaccounted for and the donors were looking for their money back? I think she's the partner of the ranting raving lunatic Sad Soldier in Galway also.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 19, 2024, 02:09:14 PMNo surprise: having people mix them up with well-established pre-existing bodies was certainly intentional when yer wan was naming her little outfit. There was already an ICHR (Irish Centre for Human Rights) at University of Galway, as well as the IHREC (Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission).
Ahhh it's the IHREC I was thinking of
Quote from: astfgyl on April 19, 2024, 01:54:16 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 19, 2024, 11:54:45 AMThat ICHR yoke is a total front, got sweet fuck all to do with "human rights" in the sense anyone typically means that, the name chosen for pure dramatic effect when it was launched as an antivax lobby group during the pandemic. I would be interested in hearing criticism from a more credible source than this one-woman show though, as there are definite changes coming at the EU level.
I was fairly sure the ICHR thing was pro vaccine. Must be mixing them up with something else.
Tracy O'Mahoney is as far from pro vaccine as Deicide are from disco music
But she is sitting at a desk and wearing a suite with a calendar block and a little model harp.
So official and authorative looking I must believe everything that she tells me.
You might as well let Ann Widdecombe and Nigel Farage tell you what to think.
The irony of so called free thinkers who consider themselves unfoolable yet believe any old crap that they are told.
The sort of people who are so unable to think for themselves they need to join a cult.
You are more than welcome to dispute any of the claims she made in the video. What part of it do you not agree with and why?
It's hard to even know where to start since she provides no sources, even in the description, and also displays none of the quotes. It's just her word straight to the camera. Ridiculous overlooking of evidential-support from a supposed legal expert. There may be worth in some of what she's saying, but I'd want to hear it from someone who's showing me what they're leaning on.
She has another video on her page that goes through the document itself in a lot more detail. The video has been up for four days with 18k views and none of the 'fact checkers' have come out with any counter argument that I have seen. I doubt the previous poster before you even watched the entire video since the rant they posted didn't reference it all but mentioned other people who have nothing to do with what is going on in Ireland.
If she has said anything that is not true I would genuinely like to hear it as it would make me happy if it is not as bad as what she is saying. I have seen a few other takes on it and her's seems to be the most positive.
Okay fair enough, I can see there is a more detailed video, but at almost an hour long I can't guarantee I'll watch it. Once again though, there are no sources given even in the description of the longer video (providing sources in description has been standard fare for quite a long time, I think even the likes of Russell Brand do it). There is a link to a document version of her arguments from her ICHR home page, but even that doesn't contain a single hyperlink (although I can guarantee at least 90% of the texts she's referring to are publicly available online) nor even a reference list at the end of the doc:
https://ichr.ie/review-of-the-eu-migration-and-asylum-pact/
And at the scantest of glances, it's always going to be problematic when an advocate mixes up concrete fact with mere belief/conjecture, but that's very much the case here (though at least it's somewhat transparent in places I suppose..?):
QuoteWhile the introduction of the Eurodac Regulation seems reasonable, I would note two points:
a) Given that many people (myself included) believe that the EU would like to track the movements of all citizens if possible, once the infrastructure for such a system is up and running for one group of people, it is easily extended to cover all people, so you should question how long before such a system is proposed to be used for EU citizens too
So, I'd be at least as wary taking this one at her word as I would any politician, because it's clear she also has her own political agenda while not at all clear which parts of her arguments are facts or conjecture, since neither are sourced and both are all mixed up together.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 20, 2024, 05:47:32 PMYou are more than welcome to dispute any of the claims she made in the video. What part of it do you not agree with and why?
It is a very Brexit style argument to me blaming the EU for migration. Next thing I will here we need to leave to EU to take control of our boarders.
I haven't the slightest inclination to join the UK and become another Brexitland certainly not to appease some right wingers who hate immigrants.
(https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/16/16/nigelfarage1606.jpg)
Do you remember Nigal Farage's poster a couple of days before the referendum in Th UK ?
It happened just before the MP Joe Cox was stabbed to to death on the street by a man shouting "Britan First"
Farage said to the media afterwards the he asked himself if he could live with that and answered that he could !
Anyway I don't like that sort of politics which I'd consider pretty much useless and you politics is an old game you know.
What is the argument in favour of taking a load of lads from the third world and fixing them up with benefits and gaffs, exactly? Replacement of aging population perhaps? Can't see anything else other than an unnecessary burden on public services and welfare. All that has to be done is have a functional immigration and deportation system, and I think by now we would have had we not handed our sovereignty away to Europe over the years.
Now, what are the arguments for working immigrants? There are many, and that will also fill the age gap in the population over time but without draining the social welfare purse and putting more strain on already stretched services. Nobody minds if someone applies to come here and work, gets a job, pays taxes and settles here for generations to come.
So if that is what is called a far right position, then whoever is calling it the far right is talking shite and has been propagandised by the media and government. It's that simple.
As to why are things as they are now with the bullshit asylum seekers, well that's really simple: All the usual pigs have their snouts in the trough for the crazy money because nothing ever changes in this cunt of a country.
Far Right? Whoever is using that absolutely stupid term can go fuck off along with the whole three lads in the country that actually fit the description.
Those three lads sure do get around.
I saw one of those protests outside the library in cork and there was defo more than 3 of them. Fucking scum harassing people working in a library as a book contained something they didn't like. Same crowd is at every "immigration" protest.
Here, have some stats:
On asylum seekers:
In 2022 the top three countries of asylum seekers origin were Georgia, Algeria and Somalia, accounting for 45% of all applicants. (Source is BBC using official Irish figures).
OK, Georgia first...
At war? NO. Population 3.7 mil. Average wage about 400 euro per month. (Irish welfare at least double that).
Next up, Algeria:
At war? NO. Population 44.9 million. Average wage about 400 euro per month (Irish welfare at least double that).
And now Somalia:
At war? YES. Civil War since 2009. Population 17.6 million. Average wage about 50 euro per month (Irish welfare at least 16 times that).
So for the top three countries applying for asylum here, we have a population pool of 66.2 million who will all dramatically benefit in economic terms from coming here and simply claiming the dole and all the free shit that comes with that.
So, can any of the left types on here tell me do they honestly think we should put no cap on this and that ireland won't get full if we stay going as we are? That's just fuckin silly talk is what it is. Silly talk from state-media- brainwashed fools.
Now let's do work permits!
Top 3 countries for work permits: India, Brazil and the Philippines.
Tbh it doesn't matter a fuck what their population or average salary is because they aren't getting the dole on a work permit and they have to apply in advance of coming here rather than simply turning up with the hands swinging, looking for benefits. This will also be self limiting by the number of actual jobs on offer for the lads to apply for, so no job, no permit, problem solved.
These are the immigrants that everyone is sticking up for, and people would want to use their fucking brains for a change and get this mythical Far Right bollix out of their rte-watching heads and see what the difference between immigration and having the piss taken out of you by a load of freeloading cunts with nothing to offer to the place other than a drain on resources and public monies. We have plenty of wasters of our own and don't need to import them at all and even more so could do without importing them and not having a clue about anything about them because the little fucking chancers have no documents and know all the loopholes before they get near the place.
This new EU migration pact looks set to exacerbate the asylum problem and as such should not be rushed through without public debate in the Dáil but this is what the cunts in government are trying to do is ram the shit through without proper scrutiny and they can go fuck themselves with that.
So tell me lads, can ireland genuinely not be full in your opinions because in mine it's long past full of asylum seeking chancers and can't get full of work permit immigrants. Am I the Far Right now? Get a fucking life.
Now I'll have to come back in a bit with more because I've to tip out next door and give the Filipino lad a lend of an extension lead so he can power wash his car on his day off before he heads back to work tomorrow do he can earn a few bob and pay his mortgage and pay his taxes like anyone else. Don't fuckin tell me there's no difference between that and the ipas bullshit going on here because if one can't separate the two, then one is simply a thick cunt.
Actually, one last thing here:
I know a lot of you on the board are living in foreign countries as immigrants. Can I have a show of hands for how many of you emigrants are on the dole in the countries you live in?
Exactly.
Ireland isn't full in general but it's long past full of bogus asylum seekers coming to seek a better life on the dole at our expense and we could also do with a good and proper purge of the folks who are making money from our broken system, maybe send them out to the third world to do humanitarian work song as they like to help so much. Banty McEnany and his family would go down a treat in Somalia.
So am I racist now for pointing out the obvious stupidity of our current system?
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 09:41:23 AMI saw one of those protests outside the library in cork and there was defo more than 3 of them. Fucking scum harassing people working in a library as a book contained something they didn't like. Same crowd is at every "immigration" protest.
Yes, because they are on the dole and have time for that shit.
As for the library books, how would we all feel if the Juno Dawson book had been as graphically instructional but aimed at straight kids instead? Telling your daughters how to suck young lads pipe?
Hmm I think there'd be less support for that somehow. Being in the rainbow crew does not make being a sick cunt OK, as much as being in the rainbow crew does not make one a sick cunt by default.
I actually am currently on the dole as I'm between contracts :laugh:
I'm not sticking up for any immigrants. I was just saying how the current people protesting immigration with the balaclavas and "irish first" shyte are fucking wankers.
The immigration process is not streamlined. That's the problem. People coming in and not getting a decision for years. Its madness. Decision should be within 6 months. And if its a no deport straight away. Aside from that take out Putin and the Ukrainians go home (most anyway) freeing up a lot of housing would work as well.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2024, 09:31:43 AMThose three lads sure do get around.
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Yes, Gavin Pepper, Hermann Kelly and Philip Dwyer really do seem to crop up at every protest and the government must absolutely love them for the work they are doing at distracting everyone and keeping the mythical unicorn of the Far Right in the headlines whenever we need distracting from the absolute cluster fuck that is the asylum system in this country.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:19:21 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 09:41:23 AMI saw one of those protests outside the library in cork and there was defo more than 3 of them. Fucking scum harassing people working in a library as a book contained something they didn't like. Same crowd is at every "immigration" protest.
Yes, because they are on the dole and have time for that shit.
As for the library books, how would we all feel if the Juno Dawson book had been as graphically instructional but aimed at straight kids instead? Telling your daughters how to suck young lads pipe?
Hmm I think there'd be less support for that somehow. Being in the rainbow crew does not make being a sick cunt OK, as much as being in the rainbow crew does not make one a sick cunt by default.
I don't give the first flying fuck about library books. I'll leave that to librarians or whoever decides that shyte. Oh there's something in a book that might be bad for children. Lord above. They have smartphones. Which are far worse imo.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2024, 10:22:14 AMI actually am currently on the dole as I'm between contracts :laugh:
Been paying your taxes for years by any chance? EU citizen by any chance?
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 10:25:31 AMQuote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:19:21 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 09:41:23 AMI saw one of those protests outside the library in cork and there was defo more than 3 of them. Fucking scum harassing people working in a library as a book contained something they didn't like. Same crowd is at every "immigration" protest.
Yes, because they are on the dole and have time for that shit.
As for the library books, how would we all feel if the Juno Dawson book had been as graphically instructional but aimed at straight kids instead? Telling your daughters how to suck young lads pipe?
Hmm I think there'd be less support for that somehow. Being in the rainbow crew does not make being a sick cunt OK, as much as being in the rainbow crew does not make one a sick cunt by default.
I don't give the first flying fuck about library books. I'll leave that to librarians or whoever decides that shyte. Oh there's something in a book that might be bad for children. Lord above. They have smartphones. Which are far worse imo.
Smartphones have parental controls for minors. And you know full well that a book telling underage girls how to suck dick would be nonce behaviour and it only has support because it's rainbow themed.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:13:39 AMHere, have some stats:
On asylum seekers:
In 2022 the top three countries of asylum seekers origin were Georgia, Algeria and Somalia, accounting for 45% of all applicants. (Source is BBC using official Irish figures).
OK, Georgia first...
At war? NO. Population 3.7 mil. Average wage about 400 euro per month. (Irish welfare at least double that).
Next up, Algeria:
At war? NO. Population 44.9 million. Average wage about 400 euro per month (Irish welfare at least double that).
And now Somalia:
At war? YES. Civil War since 2009. Population 17.6 million. Average wage about 50 euro per month (Irish welfare at least 16 times that).
So for the top three countries applying for asylum here, we have a population pool of 66.2 million who will all dramatically benefit in economic terms from coming here and simply claiming the dole and all the free shit that comes with that.
So, can any of the left types on here tell me do they honestly think we should put no cap on this and that ireland won't get full if we stay going as we are? That's just fuckin silly talk is what it is. Silly talk from state-media- brainwashed fools.
Now let's do work permits!
Top 3 countries for work permits: India, Brazil and the Philippines.
Tbh it doesn't matter a fuck what their population or average salary is because they aren't getting the dole on a work permit and they have to apply in advance of coming here rather than simply turning up with the hands swinging, looking for benefits. This will also be self limiting by the number of actual jobs on offer for the lads to apply for, so no job, no permit, problem solved.
These are the immigrants that everyone is sticking up for, and people would want to use their fucking brains for a change and get this mythical Far Right bollix out of their rte-watching heads and see what the difference between immigration and having the piss taken out of you by a load of freeloading cunts with nothing to offer to the place other than a drain on resources and public monies. We have plenty of wasters of our own and don't need to import them at all and even more so could do without importing them and not having a clue about anything about them because the little fucking chancers have no documents and know all the loopholes before they get near the place.
This new EU migration pact looks set to exacerbate the asylum problem and as such should not be rushed through without public debate in the Dáil but this is what the cunts in government are trying to do is ram the shit through without proper scrutiny and they can go fuck themselves with that.
So tell me lads, can ireland genuinely not be full in your opinions because in mine it's long past full of asylum seeking chancers and can't get full of work permit immigrants. Am I the Far Right now? Get a fucking life.
Now I'll have to come back in a bit with more because I've to tip out next door and give the Filipino lad a lend of an extension lead so he can power wash his car on his day off before he heads back to work tomorrow do he can earn a few bob and pay his mortgage and pay his taxes like anyone else. Don't fuckin tell me there's no difference between that and the ipas bullshit going on here because if one can't separate the two, then one is simply a thick cunt.
Actually, one last thing here:
I know a lot of you on the board are living in foreign countries as immigrants. Can I have a show of hands for how many of you emigrants are on the dole in the countries you live in?
Exactly.
Ireland isn't full in general but it's long past full of bogus asylum seekers coming to seek a better life on the dole at our expense and we could also do with a good and proper purge of the folks who are making money from our broken system, maybe send them out to the third world to do humanitarian work song as they like to help so much. Banty McEnany and his family would go down a treat in Somalia.
So am I racist now for pointing out the obvious stupidity of our current system?
Back to this one before it gets lost
Quote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:28:52 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 10:25:31 AMQuote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:19:21 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 09:41:23 AMI saw one of those protests outside the library in cork and there was defo more than 3 of them. Fucking scum harassing people working in a library as a book contained something they didn't like. Same crowd is at every "immigration" protest.
Yes, because they are on the dole and have time for that shit.
As for the library books, how would we all feel if the Juno Dawson book had been as graphically instructional but aimed at straight kids instead? Telling your daughters how to suck young lads pipe?
Hmm I think there'd be less support for that somehow. Being in the rainbow crew does not make being a sick cunt OK, as much as being in the rainbow crew does not make one a sick cunt by default.
I don't give the first flying fuck about library books. I'll leave that to librarians or whoever decides that shyte. Oh there's something in a book that might be bad for children. Lord above. They have smartphones. Which are far worse imo.
Smartphones have parental controls for minors. And you know full well that a book telling underage girls how to suck dick would be nonce behaviour and it only has support because it's rainbow themed.
Lol. Like kids can't get around parental controls. Now it'd work for young kids but once they get to 14 or whatever they're seeing farvworse stuff on the net than any book.
As for the rest I don't go around thinking about what's in books. I literally don't give a flying shyte.
This is true:
QuoteThe highest number of applications [in 2022] were from Georgian nationals, followed by applicants from Algeria and Somalia.
But omits the primary stat:
Quote13,651 people applied for asylum in Ireland in 2022.
https://www.unhcr.org/sites/default/files/legacy-pdf/640747d47.pdf
What I guess you don't have stats for is how many asylum seekers who are on the dole actually want to be working. And if you don't have that, then you're running with a trope about them coming here
for benefits rather than being here and on benefits. We had this shite with the murderer, people saying he'd come here
for benefits and then it turned out he'd actually worked here for at least a few years upon arrival.
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 10:42:06 AMQuote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:28:52 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 10:25:31 AMQuote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:19:21 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 09:41:23 AMI saw one of those protests outside the library in cork and there was defo more than 3 of them. Fucking scum harassing people working in a library as a book contained something they didn't like. Same crowd is at every "immigration" protest.
Yes, because they are on the dole and have time for that shit.
As for the library books, how would we all feel if the Juno Dawson book had been as graphically instructional but aimed at straight kids instead? Telling your daughters how to suck young lads pipe?
Hmm I think there'd be less support for that somehow. Being in the rainbow crew does not make being a sick cunt OK, as much as being in the rainbow crew does not make one a sick cunt by default.
I don't give the first flying fuck about library books. I'll leave that to librarians or whoever decides that shyte. Oh there's something in a book that might be bad for children. Lord above. They have smartphones. Which are far worse imo.
Smartphones have parental controls for minors. And you know full well that a book telling underage girls how to suck dick would be nonce behaviour and it only has support because it's rainbow themed.
Lol. Like kids can't get around parental controls. Now it'd work for young kids but once they get to 14 or whatever they're seeing farvworse stuff on the net than any book.
As for the rest I don't go around thinking about what's in books. I literally don't give a flying shyte.
Does the stuff they are seeing on the Internet contain minors fucking? I doubt it.
QuoteThe unit is currently experiencing very high volumes of applications for Labour Market Access permission. As a consequence there is currently a delay in processing applications. To avoid further day, please ensure your address is up to date with the international protection office as this is where the permit will be posted.
Processing time is approximately 150 days.
https://www.irishimmigration.ie/my-situation-has-changed-since-i-arrived-in-ireland/labour-market-access-permission/
High volumes? Surely not if so many of them are here just to be on the scratcher. 5 month processing time? Sounds like there's a fair bit of scratching going on somewhere anyway.
QuoteMore than 12,000 international protection applicants – people who have sought asylum in the State under the International Protection Act 2015 – received labour market access between mid-2018, when it was first possible to obtain it, and the end of 2022.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/03/24/many-asylum-seekers-taking-up-right-to-work-but-barriers-remain-esri-finds/
Seeing lots of signs of asylum seekers looking for work. What you got for them actively
not looking for work, upon which one of your argument depends?
Quote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:51:59 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 10:42:06 AMQuote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:28:52 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 10:25:31 AMQuote from: astfgyl on April 21, 2024, 10:19:21 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 21, 2024, 09:41:23 AMI saw one of those protests outside the library in cork and there was defo more than 3 of them. Fucking scum harassing people working in a library as a book contained something they didn't like. Same crowd is at every "immigration" protest.
Yes, because they are on the dole and have time for that shit.
As for the library books, how would we all feel if the Juno Dawson book had been as graphically instructional but aimed at straight kids instead? Telling your daughters how to suck young lads pipe?
Hmm I think there'd be less support for that somehow. Being in the rainbow crew does not make being a sick cunt OK, as much as being in the rainbow crew does not make one a sick cunt by default.
I don't give the first flying fuck about library books. I'll leave that to librarians or whoever decides that shyte. Oh there's something in a book that might be bad for children. Lord above. They have smartphones. Which are far worse imo.
Smartphones have parental controls for minors. And you know full well that a book telling underage girls how to suck dick would be nonce behaviour and it only has support because it's rainbow themed.
Lol. Like kids can't get around parental controls. Now it'd work for young kids but once they get to 14 or whatever they're seeing farvworse stuff on the net than any book.
As for the rest I don't go around thinking about what's in books. I literally don't give a flying shyte.
Does the stuff they are seeing on the Internet contain minors fucking? I doubt it.
Right. Don't know why I'm doing this but enlighten me. What books are you on about. Currently in Irish libraries.
And bear in mind that many of us started reading the likes of Burroughs in our early to mid teens :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2024, 11:00:34 AMAnd bear in mind that many of us started reading the likes of Burroughs in our early to mid teens :laugh:
True. And I saw far worse banned VHS videos when I was 13 or 14.
So do you think there should be no attempt to cap the numbers applying for international protection here and that we should simply stay going as we are, or would you recommend fixing anything about it?
"A myriad of global issues has increased applications for asylum in Ireland, 13,000 in 2023, nearly five times what it was in 2019. Ireland is currently accommodating more than 101,585 people between those fleeing Ukraine and International Protection (IP) applicants"
That's another quote from the BBC. So 12000 of them looked for work in the last 5 years? I think there are some left over after that....
I'm in a line of work where I give most of my day dealing with immigrants and looking at their income details. I like a lot of them, even some of the chancers, but that doesn't mean the system is not an absolute joke. I have to look at their social welfare statements of income so I know exactly what they're getting and how it's playing out here, even if you wish to be wilfully blind to it. And yes we do have doctors and engineers coming too and I was chatting with a radiologist from Congo the other day (paying savage tax the poor fucker) but they are the minority of what we have by a very long shot.
As for the books, the one causing the trouble was This Book Is Gay and the issue was that it was available for 12 year old kids. It could have been solved by moving it up to 16. And your arguments to the contrary, about burroughs and the few blue movies (without kids in them, I'd hope!!) are like me saying because I started smoking at 9 that I shouldn't mind my 9 year old taking it up.
Oh, I also haven't read the book or protested outside libraries about it, but there was an easy solution that involved banning nothing which was simply move it up a bit in the age section but because it's rainbow no quarter could be given. Do you lads honestly think it would be no different if the book was for straight kids with the same instructional nature? Pull the other one lads
Reading about sex doesn't cause cancer. Up your level, please.
Well I've been smoking for 32 years and I don't have cancer. You're asking me to up my level but you haven't indicated whether you'd agree that a book detailing how to suck cock for young girls would be acceptable in the 12 year old section and are using distraction to avoid answering that. Telling 12 year old girls how to do it is nonce carry on, but somehow when it's rainbow that's to be defended? Come off it
In fact, the whole book issue was a mere aside regarding the type of character who frequents the protests when the original point was about international protection applicants. I offered an easy solution for the book issue, do you not agree with my proposal which would keep everyone happy?
Also, I made a point about my own experience having to deal with immigrants day in day out and how I can see the difference between what is being sold and the reality but I guess that is to be skipped in favour of the aside about books and protesters who have no job to distract them from threatening librarians.
Actually, those cunts should be put to work as well, the Irish lads who make a career out of being on the dole
Quote from: Alphonsus on April 20, 2024, 11:28:22 PMQuote from: mickO))) on April 20, 2024, 05:47:32 PMYou are more than welcome to dispute any of the claims she made in the video. What part of it do you not agree with and why?
It is a very Brexit style argument to me blaming the EU for migration. Next thing I will here we need to leave to EU to take control of our boarders.
I haven't the slightest inclination to join the UK and become another Brexitland certainly not to appease some right wingers who hate immigrants.
Do you remember Nigal Farage's poster a couple of days before the referendum in Th UK ?
It happened just before the MP Joe Cox was stabbed to to death on the street by a man shouting "Britan First"
Farage said to the media afterwards the he asked himself if he could live with that and answered that he could !
Anyway I don't like that sort of politics which I'd consider pretty much useless and you politics is an old game you know.
The entire video is about a pact that at the time we were not part of nor where we being forced to be part of it but the Government without consulting with the citizens of this country as of Friday have now opted us into.
This is going to completely change country and not for the better. Most people aren't even aware of how serious it is because RTE, The Government etc. have just been telling us about how great the pact is as we will now be able turn people away faster who aren't genuine a case while neglecting to mention any of the major consequences that come with it.
A major decision like this should have been put to a referendum but it wasn't because they knew it wouldn't have a hope of being passed (some democracy isn't it). Yes this will result now in a lot of people wanting to leave the EU because once we opted into this voluntarily we cannot get out of it. We didn't have to opt into it and it was never in our interest to do so but the Government didn't care and signed us up anyway.
I agree with you there, Mick. The distraction of being racist and far right for pointing out that this is being forced through without scrutiny is working on everyone though so it will pass and by the time we see the damage that has been done it will be too late.
I don't know the book in question. I don't know what its actual recommended age group is, so I don't know whether it turned up in the wrong place by oversight or what happened. I do know that in the early 90s, 1st year was my first sex ed class. I was 12. Oral sex was covered, along with many "worse" things since we were asked to submit our own questions anonymously too. You'd be amazed the questions 12 year olds had, well before this newest wave of moral panic. I also don't know how the book broaches the subject. Better or worse than my poor 1st year Civics teacher? :laugh:
Still skirting around the question I asked you there. Yes you responded but you didn't answer. Anyway it matters not, and even if you did think that book was fine for the preteens there are many who didn't and it could have all been solved by moving to 16+ with no fanfare.
It was nuns that did the sex ed when I was a lad (no wonder I'm riddled with kids) and I'd already seen hardcore porn by then, as with most young fellas. That still doesn't mean it should be marketed to that age group. Young lads will drink cans too, but marketing that too them is forbidden, and selling it to them carries legal penalties.
Now, saying all that, if I was to come home and find one of my kids at age 12 reading something like ASOIAF with all its graphic depictions of sex and violence, I wouldn't bat an eyelid and would probably be somewhat impressed that they'd gotten themselves to a level of reading beyond the average for their age but that is me and not everyone else and all of that book thing was easily avoidable and easily fixed once noticed by moving it up to the age of consent. Unfortunately it's written in a style akin to Diary of a Wimpy Kid as well though so I wouldn't be terribly impressed to find my 12 year old kid reading that. I was just looking at a few excerpts there actually and there is something a bit fucking sick about the childish writing style coupled with the instructions for sex acts but whatever there's still no argument to be had by moving it up in the age group a bit
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 21, 2024, 11:46:21 AMI don't know the book in question. I don't know what its actual recommended age group is, so I don't know whether it turned up in the wrong place by oversight or what happened. I do know that in the early 90s, 1st year was my first sex ed class. I was 12. Oral sex was covered, along with many "worse" things since we were asked to submit our own questions anonymously too. You'd be amazed the questions 12 year olds had, well before this newest wave of moral panic. I also don't know how the book broaches the subject. Better or worse than my poor 1st year Civics teacher? :laugh:
I had a similar experience (I'm 38). There is only a panic because of the LGBTQ aspect, not the other way around
I don't know what I'm skirting around.
Re immigration (yawn!), I gave you a load of stats about total numbers of asylum seekers plus total numbers of them applying for work permits, number of them who received work permits, length of processing time, etc. As far as I can see, there's very little, statistically speaking, for you to lean on in your claims that they're coming to Ireland "for the benefits."
Re the book, if you're talking about 'This Book Is Gay', anywhere I look it says the target age is 14-17, i.e. the "Young adult" bracket. That's the same bracket as, say, Imajica by Clive Barker, published 1991. Anyone recall reading that as a teen? :laugh: In any case, I could understand someone being upset if they found their 12 year old reading Imajica, sure. But what I don't recall is people harassing and intimidating the librarian in Greystones over its presence there. So, was 'This Book Is Gay' "marketed" to 12 year olds? Not accidentally or otherwise available to them, but strictly speaking "marketed" to them?
I would say that the writing style of it is aimed at the younger reader for sure but I'm only saying that now after looking at a few pages of it. I read the news reports concerning it at the time otherwise and had the radical idea of taking it off the shelves aimed at preteens. If you're telling me now that it was never there in the first place well then I don't even know what the argument is.
I go down the library every week with the kids and pick something for myself and let the lads pick whatever and I don't watch them going through it either. I also can't confirm if that book is even there because I've never looked for it or indeed looked through the kids section at all. Now my lads are 8 and from seeing the things they read, that book honestly looks like it's at about their level of reading comprehension and reads like it's being explained to about their age group so I can certainly see why the more Conservative minded folk wouldn't like it and I think for sure if that book was written like that for young girls that it would bother more people not less than the fact it's alphabet spectrum stuff.
Immigration? (Yawn all you like, your yawning doesn't take away from the fact that many people here don't think it's tired or boring). There are good types of it and there are bad types of it, as everyone knows. I'm not putting any argument against a proper version of it, where lads apply to work here and are granted visas accordingly, but the rules we have are a joke which actually allow any Tom Dick or Harry to show up and here Paddy will look after you to the detriment of small towns and villages all over the country while also requiring local services that either are already stretched enough or non existent as it is. This could all be easily sorted but it's not being sorted and it's causing a lot of discontent that is only going to grow and become even more divisive as time goes on. I think in my own head that the reason it is the way it is, is because the right fellas are making the money off it and the cash grab or wealth exchange if you prefer between the 99% and the 1% which has been in overdrive since 2008 continues unabated and this distraction over far right and racism and open borders and whatever is taking everyone's eye off the ball in terms of that wealth exchange going on. So, fix the IP issue it could easily be done. You say it's only a small percentage of lads who come here for the welfare, so fine then, that should be sorted until no lads are coming for the welfare and then the argument against having immigrants doesn't exist anymore. Then the only lads complaining will be the few eejits who are actually racist and everyone can go back to ignoring them as they did up to a short few years ago instead of thinking they have something useful to say as will happen by the government's blind insistence in going to the other extreme on it. And hey, if lads want to come to Ireland and work then don't have them turning up as refugees from safe countries and they can be as entitled to apply for a visa as anyone else.
Right, so to sum up: you've no concrete basis for the claim you made that the book was "marketed" to 12 year olds. And you've also no concrete basis for your implicit claim that asylum seekers are coming because welfare in Ireland is X times more than the average wage in their country of origin, as opposed to because they think they might be able to earn more here (but are hindered in doing so in large part by red tape and administrative backlog). So you might want to be a little less flaithiúlach with the terms you choose and the claims you make, because, all your other arguments and perspectives aside, by articulating those claims you just are spreading evidentially unwarranted conjecture of the very much right-leaning "get them out" (whether "them" be LGBTQ+ or foreigners) variety.
According to Cabbagehead, the far right are actually more concerned with stopping his green policies than immigration or the alphabet bunch.
https://twitter.com/greenparty_ie/status/1781782447551557968
Looks like those three far right lads are somehow after fracturing again.
Justin Barrett launches Clann Eireann: "Anything other than ethnonationalism is not good enough."
https://twitter.com/Mick_O_Keeffe/status/1782153213543592049
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 22, 2024, 12:38:34 AMLooks like those three far right lads are somehow after fracturing again.
Justin Barrett launches Clann Eireann: "Anything other than ethnonationalism is not good enough."
https://twitter.com/Mick_O_Keeffe/status/1782153213543592049
Ah yes the imaginary far right dreamt up by the extreme left Irish Times, as my uncle likes to say. Fuck those bigoted delusional cunts.
Nobody is actually going to vote for those lads. Their supposed rise in popularity is far overblown in the media and by the government because it suits the media for a headline and it suits the government for an excuse to ignore things.
Watch what happens come any election, they'll be nowhere because people aren't actually that stupid really but they do want to look for politicians that are more palatable than those lads but who still look to agree with some of the sentiment. I'd expect the likes of Aontu to gain a bit but none of the other stooks. Well the shinners will gain a bit by pretending they might get tough on immigration because they're at that already but they really don't mean it but they'll say it anyway.
The problem going forward is that unless the government themselves stop taking the extreme position of branding all dissent as the far right then there will be room for a few more to join the more idiotic dissenting voices, but it will take more time before that happens ie not the next election.
https://twitter.com/RTERadio1/status/1782353956426916101?t=CalGjYyM1z6v4eHDg8XDOw&s=19
Looks like Simon Harris is the far right now as well
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/04/23/80-of-asylum-applications-to-be-processed-within-three-months-under-new-eu-rules/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=HP-SubDesc
The list of excuses is so long that applying for asylum from the UK will actually work. Thank god none of them are chancers :P :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 22, 2024, 12:38:34 AMJustin Barrett launches Clann Eireann: "Anything other than ethnonationalism is not good enough."
https://twitter.com/Mick_O_Keeffe/status/1782153213543592049
"IRISH ONLY OR THE HOUSE BURNS" (posted by Tommy Robinson as added bonus)
https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1783224704288833844
Good man Tommy the fuckin stook :laugh:
I hope he has plenty of paddies in his gaff
You know well that cunt would be out putting up No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish signs if it was the 80s. Also, I'm glad we're 3rd in that list.
Quote from: Snare on April 19, 2024, 03:16:14 PMIsn't yer wan the one that got all the donations to fight Covid regulations in the courts, but all the money is essentially unaccounted for and the donors were looking for their money back? I think she's the partner of the ranting raving lunatic Sad Soldier in Galway also.
Is that this lad Mike Connell?
https://twitter.com/LeahNiD/status/1783571960015810959
Kicking off big time down in Newtownmountkennedy right now anyway, putting that "Irish Only Or The House Burns" sentiment into practice:
https://twitter.com/Mick_O_Keeffe/status/1783594476855849022
Riot police, pepper-spray, the works.
That's the langball alright. I wouldn't bother naming him though, he feeds on the publicity. They're all about the yap yap yap to make money. Scarlet for people living their life through a camera trying to justify their sad existence.
Just checkin. She cuts a fairly different figure sat beside him than behind the desk anyway.
Longer video of confrontation between riot police and protestors:
https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1783635085196939587
Garda statement on tonight:
https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1783633279616168020
This craic in Newtownmountkennedy at the minute is basically what I was saying would happen about a year ago. And it was avoidable and yet the government refused to avoid it. I don't support it at all, just pointing out that it was inevitable. Also the reaction of the guards (what are they supposed to do? I get that) will be used to further fuel the fire, if you'll excuse the pun.
I wonder what happened to the proposed centre in D4 actually? Some locals had raised concerns over fire safety at that one too, but I never heard about it since.
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/martina-devlin-ireland-has-an-unpaid-debt-to-migrants-who-are-hit-hardest-by-climate-change/a577024892.html
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Quote from: The Butcher on April 26, 2024, 08:36:42 PMhttps://www.independent.ie/opinion/martina-devlin-ireland-has-an-unpaid-debt-to-migrants-who-are-hit-hardest-by-climate-change/a577024892.html
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Ahhh ffs the clanking machinery of propaganda.
https://www.irishpatriots.com/membership
There's that link you were looking for, Shepherd :laugh: look what you'll get for your 30 quid
Ah shite, too late; I'm just after signing up with Clown Éireann, don't want to get involved in a faction war.
For some reason the People's Front of Judea springs to mind
Ah here, too funny: just catching up on last night's Have I Got News For You while having lunch here and they've played the clip of Barrett going on about appointing Reynolds "precisely because" he's so stupid he would be completely malleable :laugh:
A more peaceful march yesterday by "concerned locals" in Newtownmountkennedy. Albeit "concerned locals" marching behind a banner emblazoned with almost the same word-for-word great replacement theory far right slogans seen all across Europe in recent years: "IRELAND IS OUR HOMELAND - WE WILL NOT BE REPLACED - NO PLANTATION - SEND THEM BACK."
It's quite striking how attached they are, as a movement, to both blatantly xenophobic slogans and arson/property damage, despite these two things being what gets them instantly disqualified by the majority of Irish as far right "nuts" and delinquents, respectively. Presuming there's a lot more Irish who want or are sympathetic to increased control over immigration, you'd think they'd put some thought into toning down the elements that mean most wouldn't want to be seen to be associated with them. Because their schtick just is so plainly identifiable with what most recognize as a far right playbook.
Edit: They're out again today, same banner:
https://twitter.com/Mick_O_Keeffe/status/1784561415556091907
I wonder how things got to the point where lads will walk behind a banner like that? I wonder what put the whole plantation shtick into lads minds at all?
It'll get worse yet, too
Both sides stir each other to new levels of mongolism.
Trying to renormalize christianity a couple of weeks ago, bringing in the aggressively homophobic dimension today:
https://twitter.com/ThoughtsToby/status/1784649161222021262
Just absolute world champions at unwittingly discrediting themselves.
Gimps.
https://twitter.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1785436063659688444?t=7XP8kBKyvMp7ns3AAbD97g&s=19
Ah lads :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And
https://twitter.com/amplify137/status/1785384754394612202?t=VyQK4dhYhIwqAUlbxAn5Kw&s=19
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Tbh I dunno if it's tongue in cheek or real but I'm getting a good laugh thinking about the likes of the NP doing things like this
The triple irony of getting a Ukrainian girl to bop about in a video to a song saying, in German, "Auslander Raus" against a backdrop of what looks like Greece, but in any case certainly is neither Germany nor Ukraine :laugh:
Ah it's fuckin retarded and there's a whole thread of lads loving it on there.
I'm hoping it's some sort of come out ye black and tans thing but I dunno
It seems a small step from "I think the local services are getting a bit stretched, accommodation-wise" to "Auslander Raus" these days.
I kept thinking of this, too...
Quote from: astfgyl on May 01, 2024, 12:54:29 PMhttps://twitter.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1785436063659688444?t=7XP8kBKyvMp7ns3AAbD97g&s=19
Ah lads :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And
https://twitter.com/amplify137/status/1785384754394612202?t=VyQK4dhYhIwqAUlbxAn5Kw&s=19
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Tbh I dunno if it's tongue in cheek or real but I'm getting a good laugh thinking about the likes of the NP doing things like this
I present to you Donegals biggest spastic:
https://twitter.com/niallmcconnell5/status/1785237225690513500/mediaviewer (https://twitter.com/niallmcconnell5/status/1785237225690513500/mediaviewer)
Aye jaysus that's fuckin terrible. The problem is that without some sort of centrist approach coming very soon, the likes of this will be the closest thing that people have to representation, or at least people will see it that way whether it's true or not.
Will the "Rise of The Far Right" become a self fulfilling prophecy? Hopefully the rise of centrism comes first
That Donegal lad didn't last long.
On a bit of a downer today anyway, but I find things like that song quite sad, in the literal sense. Only humour I can get out of it is that it would make for a lethal drinking game of Irish trad far right bingo.
I don't even think the bingo would get me father than the second minute of it tbh. The only thing I remember is him going on about the Weans and I was out the gap and gone
Pure gold, tents only up this morning and she couldn't wait to tweet ->
https://twitter.com/ivanabacik/status/1786299611839152279?t=gYai1gGo3zLmUiCpSMkZwg&s=19
Once it's in their own backyard, all those policies go down the drain.
Great stuff. Imagine if the Ireland Is Full crowd had been working creatively with asylum seekers and their genuine supporters to campaign for solutions to universal problems like housing and community services all along: they could have been giving them lifts to D4 and D6 parks since the get go, helping them set up their tents, bringing them back if they got moved on. It'd have rapidly, as here, become clear as day that most who pretend to be YIMBYs are straight up NIMBYs who know that much more sensible and sustainable solutions are required in any community expected to accommodate a sudden influx but who don't actually care as long as they personally don't have to deal with the consequences.
One example of the shite that needs sorting out:
https://twitter.com/EoinMcGee/status/1786025653180973464
Quote from: The Butcher on May 03, 2024, 10:02:03 AMPure gold, tents only up this morning and she couldn't wait to tweet ->
https://twitter.com/ivanabacik/status/1786299611839152279?t=gYai1gGo3zLmUiCpSMkZwg&s=19
Once it's in their own backyard, all those policies go down the drain.
State of her, making on like it's out of concern for the lads
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 03, 2024, 11:42:29 AMOne example of the shite that needs sorting out:
https://twitter.com/EoinMcGee/status/1786025653180973464
The rental situation is fuckin nuts the last couple of years and not because of all the new lads either. It's been going in a way that increases in rental prices are far ahead of increases in income. Some people's wages must be 3/4 gone just on rent
Quote from: astfgyl on May 03, 2024, 01:34:54 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 03, 2024, 11:42:29 AMOne example of the shite that needs sorting out:
https://twitter.com/EoinMcGee/status/1786025653180973464
The rental situation is fuckin nuts the last couple of years and not because of all the new lads either. It's been going in a way that increases in rental prices are far ahead of increases in income. Some people's wages must be 3/4 gone just on rent
It's fucking criminal. People renting granny flats in the back arse of Kerry for 1,500 a month. Last place I rented was a 3 bedroom house in a nice estate, centre of town for 750 per month, that was in 2019, same house is going for nearly 2 grand now.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41393395.html
QuoteEurostat has corrected inaccurate statistics which originally claimed Ireland had the highest number of non-EU citizens found to be illegally present in any EU country last year.
The statistics reported by Eurostat, the statistical office of the European Union, and reproduced in this newspaper, initially said that Ireland had a 28.9% rate of non-EU citizens found to be here illegally in 2023 per 1,000 Irish inhabitants.
In fact, Ireland has one of the lowest rates in the EU.
...
The correct figure is that Ireland had 0.3% third country-nationals found to be illegally present per thousand persons."
This percentage means Ireland ranks among the lowest, not the highest, in the EU for non-EU citizens illegally living here.
Oops!
Define Illegal in this case.
Also I was looking at those numbers yesterday evening and both sides have misrepresented them somewhat. Looks like someone moved a zero or two about in working it out
Statistics
Fairly heart-wrenching read here, interview with mother of child stabbed in November... who is still hospitalized and in recovery:
Quotehttps://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-41396401.html
Poor kid. Hope they make a full recovery eventually.
Justin Trudeau has an unquenchable thirst to be king of the authoritarians. What's his game?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/justin-trudeau-is-creating-a-canadian-thought-police/
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 19, 2024, 04:09:42 PMJustin Trudeau has an unquenchable thirst to be king of the authoritarians. What's his game?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/justin-trudeau-is-creating-a-canadian-thought-police/
He's gay
He mimics certain gay characteristics like ironing his shirts and being well groomed but he's Satans henchman this cunt.
The other lad is surely the sane choice over there.
Saw a thing saying Justin was gay for crossing his legs and now I have to come out because I'm at that as well :laugh:
I honestly think he's in the closet though
Its public knowledge that he was abusing young girls in the posh school he thought in before following physco Daddys footsteps into politics. Hush money was paid, a cover-up was attempted, it all came out before his first election bid and he still got elected.
His best friend at the time is in prison for some child abuse related crime.
The man is a fucking scummer of the highest order and clearly being controlled externally.
His own brother is on record saying as much.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 19, 2024, 07:05:03 PMHe mimics certain gay characteristics like ironing his shirts and being well groomed but he's Satans henchman this cunt.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 19, 2024, 07:05:03 PMHe mimics certain gay characteristics like ironing his shirts and being well groomed but he's Satans henchman this cunt.
The other lad is surely the sane choice over there.
Don't forget the voice and the mannerisms. Is the other lad you are talking about Poilievre? He is no good as he has links to the WEF but even not hearing or seeing Trudeau would be a great change.
It was Trudeaus best mate who he lived with all during college that was done for child porn. Trudeau is similar to Biden in the way that someone else is pulling the strings in the background. He is very simple minded and not all there. Trudeau is basically a real life Mr. G from Summer Heights High.
More arson:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-investigating-firebomb-attack-on-dublin-property-to-be-used-to-house-families-seeking-asylum/a1200911973.html
More indoctrination of kids and teenagers:
https://x.com/IrishRebel1965/status/1793035080639598678
Fuck sake it's like the BLM riots and Drag Queen Story Hour all over again with the fucking arson and the indoctrination.
I really thought we'd moved on from the burning things and the indoctrination of kids I really did
The Russians have the answer
https://youtube.com/shorts/GUTGn1Y-G74?si=MCfyJTkP8diCYXAi
It was really compassionate of the government to clear the tent city in time for the Europa League Final wasn't it?
Really nice the way they did it for Paddy's Day as well.
They wouldn't want the asylum seekers to be scared by all the tourists now would they
237 million, sure what's another few million huh? Not to mention the money spent on pets, medical cards, loss in car vrt etc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/state-facing-137m-overspend-on-modular-homes-for-ukrainian-refugees-as-total-cost-expected-to-rise-to-237m/a830698333.html
Quote from: The Butcher on May 24, 2024, 12:09:52 AM237 million, sure what's another few million huh? Not to mention the money spent on pets, medical cards, loss in car vrt etc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/state-facing-137m-overspend-on-modular-homes-for-ukrainian-refugees-as-total-cost-expected-to-rise-to-237m/a830698333.html
Ha, amazing yet typical mismanagement. Incidentally, there's a housing fightback rally in Dublin tomorrow, good place to air grievances of the above kind of shenanigans, since ya can be absolutely sure a massive whack of these increased costs are increased profits.
Meanwhile more of "peaceful" #IrelandIsFull protestors being charmingly hostile and homophobic too:
https://x.com/mark_omahony1/status/1793943608204079385
Wasn't going to wade into the topic but just that I see the Ireland is full hashtag , whatever side of the fence you're on it has to be said there's absolutely zero planning or forward thinking from the government on the topic. Literally get them in and just shuffle them around wherever it suits at a particular time.
We're in a rural location and maybe located about 10km from one of these tent sites. Our bus route has been affected, there can be up to 30 migrants at the stops in and around the camp. This has meant in the last two months people from the surrounding towns have had full buses drive past them, leaving people stranded. Our service is roughly a bus every two hours. People have had to scramble to get their kids with missed busses etc.
I liked to drive to work on certain days and get the bus on others but I've stopped that now, couldn't be arsed guessing if the bus will stop for me or not.
So whilst I wouldn't say Ireland is quite full there has to be a bit of cop on with this. Local public transport for a couple of small towns has been ruined in one swoop. There's also the issue of safety, especially in relation to kids and women. Some migrants are coming in from regions where there is zero respect for neither, some are coming in with criminal records and under false pretences. Again, I'm not anti asylum seeker, but a sensible approach is not being taken as of now and I can see how tensions are boiling over. There's a certain amount involved in the Irelands full brigade that just enjoy a good scrap but I think as things progress you're seeing genuine frustration from regular citizens coming into the mix.
That sucks about the transport system, and as you say it's exactly that shite, same as with the unresolved housing crisis, that provides the perfect conditions for resentment in ordinary folk. Are most of your local TDs FFG?
Yep, most of them. All spout the same rhetoric. We've one independent that actually cares about these issues in the right way. He's certainly the only one that's mentioned the bus service and put forward some sensible solutions.
60 families (down from the original 90 planned) arriving in the modular homes for Ukranians that they're currently building here, with no meaningful consultation with the public. So you're talking 200-odd people dropped into the town in September I think it is. This is on top of the new estate they just threw up, I think it has 50-60 houses & townhouses/flats.
As things stand, schools are overflowing and it's a 3 week wait for a doctor's appointment (none of the town's practices are accepting new patients), months for a dentist. No plans for any addition to transport, doctors, or school capacities.
I'm not advocating or condoning it but I forsee a similar incident or series of incidents when they start to arrive, and I can see why people are up in arms.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 24, 2024, 04:36:48 PMQuote from: The Butcher on May 24, 2024, 12:09:52 AM237 million, sure what's another few million huh? Not to mention the money spent on pets, medical cards, loss in car vrt etc.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/state-facing-137m-overspend-on-modular-homes-for-ukrainian-refugees-as-total-cost-expected-to-rise-to-237m/a830698333.html
Ha, amazing yet typical mismanagement. Incidentally, there's a housing fightback rally in Dublin tomorrow, good place to air grievances of the above kind of shenanigans, since ya can be absolutely sure a massive whack of these increased costs are increased profits.
Meanwhile more of "peaceful" #IrelandIsFull protestors being charmingly hostile and homophobic too:
https://x.com/mark_omahony1/status/1793943608204079385
20 years ago if that was students or hippies protesting like that the cops would have battered the living fuck out of them. Are cops that afraid nowadays or getting a reprimand.
As for the protesters. Protest the government who presided over the failed policies. I have no time for these type of cunts.
The handling of the immigration issue has been disastrous, and how Helen McEntee (amongst others) has kept her job is hard to fathom.
The right to seek asylum is that, a right. Few reasonable people would argue, but to let thousands of people, often from an alien culture, into the country without valid passports (a criminal offence) and then just dump them 'out of the way' down the country is madness. If an Irish young lad tried to come back from Lanzarote without his book he'd be very hard pressed to get on the plane home so what's the story?
The way some protestors are expressing themselves is distasteful and probably counterproductive. Nevertheless, strip away that bluster quite a lot of the growing popular anger and frustration is justified.
Tasty German politician gets criminal record for quoting official statistics. Amazing.
https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/afd-politician-convicted-for-warning-about-gang-rapes/
QuoteAfter even Elon Musk picked up on my case...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
She looks like she's been created by AI.
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Calls for Richard Dreyfus to be cancelled after he appeared onstage in a dress and went on a rant at a "Jaws" screening.
That's the renowned for being difficult/forthright/rude/a loose cannon, who visibly showed his displeasure when Nicholas Cage beat him to the Oscar in 1996 and once coked himself into 2 year long narcotic psychosis/amnesia episode actor, Richard Dreyfus, by the way.
A man who has been upsetting people and not giving a fuck since the 1970s.
He's nearly 80 years old - what were they expecting? For him to get more liberal?
Why did he does up in a dress? Is he going woke or acting the maggot? Surely a man in a dress is to be lauded with glory these days :laugh:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/may/28/we-deeply-regret-the-distress-cinema-apologies-for-richard-dreyfuss-comments-at-jaws-screening
Quote'We deeply regret the distress': cinema apologises for Richard Dreyfuss comments at Jaws screening
The actor took to the stage in a dress backed by Taylor Swift's Love Story, then reportedly made a number of sexist and transphobic comments.
Kind of a bizarre thing for him to do when people just showed up wanted to hear him talk about Jaws, but the hyperventilating overreacting is silly too. Culture war bollix.
That Irish lad with the knife has his picture all over the news media.
Funny that
Funny how he was all over social media when he was presumed foreign too :laugh:
https://x.com/RealMessageEire/status/1795460706537512987
Real message eire? Really?
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/face-of-man-accused-of-wielding-knife-in-front-of-terrified-school-kids-at-parnell-square/a1084596519.html
Social media is one thing, actual media is quite another. When it was the Algerian lad it was apparently irresponsible to say where he came from. This chap however has his face instantly in the papers.
Can't think why
Absolutely.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 30, 2024, 04:27:33 AMReal message eire? Really?
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/face-of-man-accused-of-wielding-knife-in-front-of-terrified-school-kids-at-parnell-square/a1084596519.html
Social media is one thing, actual media is quite another. When it was the Algerian lad it was apparently irresponsible to say where he came from. This chap however has his face instantly in the papers.
Can't think why
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Nice to know the Minister For Justice didn't bother reopening that Garda station at the bottom of O'Connell St or have more Garda on street patrols as a priority.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 30, 2024, 04:27:33 AMReal message eire? Really?
Yes really, because it was these mooks and their dope cronies who were spreading all over social media that he was foreign, even after it was revealed he wasn't. So perhaps, as Pete suggested, in order to avoid another possible riot or who knows what from the head the ball IrelandIsFull crew, it was put out heavily that he was very Irish.
- Another one of McEntee's unvetted male foreigners here threatening kids! Enough is enough!
- The man is not believed to be foreign.
- They're lying that he's Irish! Fake news!!!
- "Police say the man arrested is Irish"
- Oh look, mainstream fake media very quick to say when it's an Irish man! Funny that!!!
Like, at a certain point, just absolutely fuck the fuck off.
The Irish media would be foaming at the mouth at the thoughts of a riot breaking out. As long as it helps the cause another George Nkencho style riot wouldn't be good for business.
Quote from: mickO))) on May 30, 2024, 12:12:55 PMThe Irish media would be foaming at the mouth at the thoughts of a riot breaking out.
That logic would merely make their actual publishing of his Irish identity all the more sensible, since what you're suggesting is that they'd have loved it if the IrelandIsFull crowd had been left with an excuse to go off on yet another bender, yet they took that excuse away from them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2024, 12:23:07 PMQuote from: mickO))) on May 30, 2024, 12:12:55 PMThe Irish media would be foaming at the mouth at the thoughts of a riot breaking out.
That logic would merely make their actual publishing of his Irish identity all the more sensible, since what you're suggesting is that they'd have loved it if the IrelandIsFull crowd had been left with an excuse to go off on yet another bender, yet they took that excuse away from them.
If you believe the reason you suggested for them reporting it in the way they did then yes you could look at like this but not everyone believes that this is why that fellas face was plastered all over every Irish news site.
Riots didn't break out when the Romanian lad tried to snatch a child from outside a house in Sheriff Street a few weeks ago so I don't see why anyone would think a riot would break out had the lad yesterday not have been Irish since he was stopped before he was able to cause any physical to harm to anyone.
I've no idea why they actually reported it, whether it was info they gleaned from somewhere independent or whether the gardai asked them to report it or what. All I'm saying is the takes of the usual heads on social media initially blasting out the fabrication that he was foreign and then also having the gall to make a whole hoo-ha when "MSM fake news media!" report that he's Irish... it's fucking exhausting levels of belligerent thick-headedness.
The million twitter videos of drunk Germans singing that Ausländer Raus everywhere is amazing, and the reaction to it is even funnier. Top of the download charts :)
'Planted by right wing actors into the metaverse' I read there earlier 😂
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2024, 12:50:49 PMI've no idea why they actually reported it, whether it was info they gleaned from somewhere independent or whether the gardai asked them to report it or what. All I'm saying is the takes of the usual heads on social media initially blasting out the fabrication that he was foreign and then also having the gall to make a whole hoo-ha when "MSM fake news media!" report that he's Irish... it's fucking exhausting levels of belligerent thick-headedness.
As exhausting as you find it, this shit only serves to galvanise the lads because whatever way you see it, the reporting is not impartial and there's a political bent to it. Doesn't matter if it's for right or wrong, it just is.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 31, 2024, 12:57:42 PMThe million twitter videos of drunk Germans singing that Ausländer Raus everywhere is amazing, and the reaction to it is even funnier. Top of the download charts :)
'Planted by right wing actors into the metaverse' I read there earlier 😂
It's actually really taking off! And I thought they were progressive lefties over there. I guess everyone has a point where it's gone too far
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2024, 02:06:52 PMAs exhausting as you find it, this shit only serves to galvanise the lads because whatever way you see it, the reporting is not impartial and there's a political bent to it. Doesn't matter if it's for right or wrong, it just is.
If it's to avoid potential violence, arson attacks, what have you, then it does matter if it's for right: it's called being pragmatic. Something the #IrelandIsFull folk know nothing about, not even when it comes to their own operations. Sliver of a silver lining to a very dark cloud.
Do you think the government could be more pragmatic at all in their approach to the immigration situation and that if they were then maybe we wouldn't have to make excuses for the political bias of your favourite news outlets?
Anyway it matters not because none of it will change anything and if you think that governments of the western world have been suddenly overcome with compassion for the needy well that doesn't matter either. Nothing will change any of it, the response to reports or lack of them. Ah well...
Ah, you've finally seen through my thin veneer, spread across two decades and thousands of posts, to get to the deep truth: I secretly love FFG and think they and everything they do is the absolute biz. Grr, you pesky kids!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 31, 2024, 07:34:15 PMAh, you've finally seen through my thin veneer, spread across two decades and thousands of posts, to get to the deep truth: I secretly love FFG and think they and everything they do is the absolute biz. Grr, you pesky kids!
Ah fuck off lad you can see it yourself what I think of it all it's not as if I've been terribly inconsistent myself.
Happy Friday man!! :D
https://www.newstalk.com/news/citywest-asylum-seekers-so-happy-to-have-local-election-vote-1730928
Quote from: mickO))) on June 01, 2024, 03:00:59 PMhttps://www.newstalk.com/news/citywest-asylum-seekers-so-happy-to-have-local-election-vote-1730928
That's actually ridiculous. Joke of a country. Pure ball of lads bouncing in from the UK now as well and they can vote as well. Makes a mockery of everything. Mad thing is that I actually think we should as decent people help refugees and assimilate them etc but we're a basket case now and the piss is being ripped out of us. You wouldn't believe some of the shit I've come across. Met a lad yesterday who has no passport but has an Irish driving licence that he didn't have last week. Fuckin nuts is what it all is and the upshot of it all is that people are getting convinced that foreigners are bad
The right for non-citizens resident in Ireland to participate in local elections (only) has been written into law since the sixties. Can understand why some might reflexively balk at the idea, but I also understand the general democratic principles that would have inspired it being put in place in the first place: possibility to participate in one's immediate community being generally considered socially more positive than being barred from doing so. What's the biggest concrete negative that's resulted from that law so far?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 01, 2024, 04:19:39 PMThe right for non-citizens resident in Ireland to participate in local elections (only) has been written into law since the sixties. Can understand why some might reflexively balk at the idea, but I also understand the general democratic principles that would have inspired it being put in place in the first place: possibility to participate in one's immediate community being generally considered socially more positive than being barred from doing so. What's the biggest concrete negative that's resulted from that law so far?
Do we really need to point out the difference in demographics from the 1960s to 2020s...and the shaping of that question is so disingenuous.
We currently have a situation where non-citizens are landing into certain areas and changing the demographics in their favour overnight. How could anyone like the idea of the door being open to disproportionate representation by sidelining locals is beyond me. The balance of power has the potential to completely shift. Example -> 80 IPAS heading for Dundrum Co Tipperary, which had a population of 221 at census 2022. Lisdoonvarna where refugees mainly from Ukraine outnumber locals two to one.
Wouldn't you think they would vote for representatives who would primarily cater to the needs of the new "residents", potentially neglecting the established community? Also local councillors vote on who gets into the Seanad, senators which vote on Dail legislation and can introduce new legislation. So indirectly this impact national policies.
Out of the top 29 IPAS Source countries only a handful have smaller populations than Ireland, this cannot continue at these unsustainable rates, look at that list of countries, completely fine, social cohesion is nothing to worry about ->
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GO5nfUMboAADV0z?format=png&name=medium)
There is nothing wrong for looking for sensible polices in the areas of immigration/IPAS and it's extremely frustrating seeing how this is being played out by media and politicians. Interesting to see how the local/EU elections pan out.
Course the demographics have changed, and if the citizenry think the law needs changing to match those changes, then that's a discussion/vote that can be had. I just asked what, up to this point, has been the biggest concrete negative to have come from the fact that non-citizens can vote in local elections. Given that there's been a lot of them eligible to vote for around 20 years now, albeit not so much in rural areas until more recently, that's another change on top of the overall demographic one.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 01, 2024, 04:19:39 PMThe right for non-citizens resident in Ireland to participate in local elections (only) has been written into law since the sixties. Can understand why some might reflexively balk at the idea, but I also understand the general democratic principles that would have inspired it being put in place in the first place: possibility to participate in one's immediate community being generally considered socially more positive than being barred from doing so. What's the biggest concrete negative that's resulted from that law so far?
1) Baulk
2) You suck.
3) Wicklander Raus
I stopped blanket deferring to the Queen's/King's English a long time ago.
I think the non citizen vote in the sixties wouldn't have been as significant as now. It probably wasn't a bad idea at the time tbf but I doubt anyone would have been planning for the current numbers when thinking of it. It'll be interesting to see how it goes but it seems like a bad idea in the present to me.
Everything is about the extremes these days though isn't it? You have on the one hand the Auslander Raus and on the other a desire to import the third world without limits and both are wrong imo. There's always a reasonable middle ground and nobody seems to want to occupy it. It's as if there's no desire to fix anything really as long as there's money being made.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 01, 2024, 09:20:31 PMI just asked what, up to this point, has been the biggest concrete negative to have come from the fact that non-citizens can vote in local elections.
So fecking what lad? You seem to like to narrow the discussion by the way you frame your fatuous questions - Same could have been said about the blasphemy law that people were giving out about 6 years ago which led to the referendum in 2018 - you could ask that exact same question, what has been the biggest concrete negative outcome of the blasphemy law - well...there was absolutely no prosecutions under it so why get rid of any dangerous law if it hasn't *done* negative anything
yet? Bizarre.
Totally standard empirical approach to any question that involves predicting the future. I framed my question in response to the detailed consequences you were imagining could happen. It's not in any way bizarre to tether predictions to concrete reality, because it's not saying the real past cancels out the potential future, but looking at it does help with keeping those predictions grounded. Loads of countries grant voting of one sort or another to non-citizens, so the debate over the pros and cons of it is vast, containing shit loads of data. I've never looked at it in detail so I've no idea how likely it is for non-citizens to "vote for representatives who would primarily cater to the needs of the new "residents", potentially neglecting the established community." I don't even know how likely it is for such established community-neglecting representatives to exist, so apologies for not instantly taking the suggestion of it with deadly seriousness just because it can be articulated.
The blasphemy law was a dumb relic of a bygone superstitious age... during which the Irish people were encouraged to pay more attention to baseless predictions (about the after-life) than to concrete reality. It had no place in the law of any modern, post-Enlightenment nation. The question of laws around universal suffrage and its limits couldn't be any further removed from it.
To be fair the time between the last local elections and the coming ones has seen a massive and unprecedented demographic change that makes the point pointless that it hasn't been a bad thing before. It's quite obvious that government parties are pandering to the asylum seeker vote as they do with any other potential supporters so I expect it'll have an impact this time around.
Funny story in the Times at the minute about the asylum loopholes being used by convicts to avoid deportation at the end of their sentences which illustrates the general stupidity of the rules we currently operate under. Like I said earlier we are a basket case when it comes to migration and I hope it gets sorted before things turn sour altogether.
Anyone see the headlines from the German stabbing incident actually? Very misleading indeed.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2024, 06:17:00 PMAnyone see the headlines from the German stabbing incident actually? Very misleading indeed.
I did, makes my piss boil. The most benign headlines like "Man stabs multiple people at anti islam protest", no indication of who was doing the stabbing but of course had to mention they were "anti-islam" ie; racist? or anti immigration in general one might think?
instead of what actually happened, here's a better headline :
"Jihadist thug who targeted extremist Islam protesters in a frenzied knife attack stabs 5 people killing one police officer."
Quote from: Lunar blood on June 03, 2024, 09:57:10 PMQuote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2024, 06:17:00 PMAnyone see the headlines from the German stabbing incident actually? Very misleading indeed.
I did, makes my piss boil. The most benign headlines like "Man stabs multiple people at anti islam protest", no indication of who was doing the stabbing but of course had to mention they were "anti-islam" ie; racist? or anti immigration in general one might think?
instead of what actually happened, here's a better headline :
"Jihadist thug who targeted extremist Islam protesters in a frenzied knife attack stabs 5 people killing one police officer."
You could be absolutely pro immigration and pro Islam and still write the proper headlines. It's no wonder people are being driven mad and thinking the government and media pals are against them. I know a couple of lads here would try to justify that shit but it's just wrong and an obvious agenda.
Sure look at the Virgin Media news team getting caught giving lifts into Dublin for the asylum seekers and then reporting on their return when they set back up in town after being removed.
Haha, still on about that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 04, 2024, 07:56:46 PMHaha, still on about that.
Haha me bollix. Unless you've never heard about the two things known as propaganda and history you could only be taking the piss. I say this from what I thought was the leftist position I've been taking for all these years.
I really thought we could change things but when I have this shit served up...
And by someone I thoroughly enjoy arguing with and all...
Under what conditions would one allow an International Protection Applicant into their home to live? Not having the capacity is obviously no barrier to the enthusiasts, so is there another place that one would draw the line? What if you agreed that you should give refuge to Ukrainian women and children but when you opened the door it was a few Arab men instead? Would you be as good with that? What if you found out that the people you were hosting were simply chancers and were sitting at your table eating your bread while your own family who you worked to provide bread for were getting less because now there were chancers to feed as well? What then if one or two who weren't chancers turned up but nobody wanted them because everyone was going all Auslander Raus and shit over the pup they'd already been sold? Wouldn't be great really would it?
Fortunately there are fair solutions. Unfortunately they will be eschewed in favour of stupid shit, cheered on by the hopelessly entrenched.
Did you ever watch the "propaganda" Virgin News actually broadcast that day btw?
Didn't want to be called a racist or anything so when a few Somalian lads (well they said they were, I have no real way to verify or disprove that) called to my door and asked to move in with me and my wife and children, I of course immediately agreed with enthusiasm.
Well they moved in and nearly all of them were grand for the most part so when they suggested bringing their extended families with them I was really looking forward to it.
Unfortunately, I was unprepared for how many there would be so I put the new lads in the garden shed until I could find something better for them.
My wife became concerned and said to me that although she wanted to help these people who had obviously been running (well they said they were, I had no way to prove it or anything but why should I doubt their character as they were, after all, foreigners, and we all know that diversity is strength and can only have a positive impact otherwise I'm racist) away from something terrible and their character was obviously beyond question because they were of a colour that it would be racist to think anything bad of, but at the same time my wife was concerned that the way they were decorating the house to make themselves feel more comfortable was a bit intrusive and she felt we were somehow losing a little of our own stamp on the place. Now to be fair she liked some little bits but she felt that she should have a say in it because it was her house and she should be able to decide what goes in her own house.
Well I rode roughshod over her dirty little racist thoughts and I told her she was like the far right or something and in response I doubled down but this time instead of just taking Somalian lads I brought an absolute ball of nationalities on and told them all I'd look after them no matter how many of them turned up.
Now prior to this me and my family weren't especially wealthy but at least we could afford some food and medicines even though it was tight at times and in the winter when we were all sick with colds and stuff sometimes we found it hard to look after us all, but now that we have become the absolute menagerie that we currently are it has become extremely difficult to keep everyone fed and healthy.
So I've decided to prioritise and because it would be racist not to, I've decided to help the new lads more than my own lads because they were obviously privileged in the first place to be having things so they can just figure that one out themselves and if they don't like it they can move to Australia or Canada or wherever they like because over my dead body will we be treating them as if they've been here all along and it was their home in the first place.
No no we won't doing that fair thing that we could have done for our own lads all along because it's racist and far right to let them nearly go to the wall to send their kids to college in the future unless we give it to the new lads for nothing ten minutes after arriving at the front door with nothing only the clothes on their backs. That's only fair, and not racist to boot.
Well anyway the wife still wasn't convinced, the racist little cunt so I rang the guards and asked them if they'd send the public order unit to convince her that she had nothing to worry about.
Fuckin women, eh? Some racist and misogynistic cunts the whole lot of them
Cos it's here if you didn't:
https://x.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1769098235157611003
I can't see anything resembling this in it though:
Quotethen reporting on their return when they set back up in town after being removed
And just for a reminder of what I was told when I asked a journalist their "professional" opinion:
QuoteWell are we talking about a video interview that was in the can? [Yes, because, as we can see, the interview was filmed on site up in Crooksling] Then the person can say they were just being sound.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 06, 2024, 12:38:14 AMDidn't want to be called a racist or anything so when a few Somalian lads (well they said they were, I have no real way to verify or disprove that) called to my door and asked to move in with me and my wife and children, I of course immediately agreed with enthusiasm.
Well they moved in and nearly all of them were grand for the most part so when they suggested bringing their extended families with them I was really looking forward to it.
Unfortunately, I was unprepared for how many there would be so I put the new lads in the garden shed until I could find something better for them.
My wife became concerned and said to me that although she wanted to help these people who had obviously been running (well they said they were, I had no way to prove it or anything but why should I doubt their character as they were, after all, foreigners, and we all know that diversity is strength and can only have a positive impact otherwise I'm racist) away from something terrible and their character was obviously beyond question because they were of a colour that it would be racist to think anything bad of, but at the same time my wife was concerned that the way they were decorating the house to make themselves feel more comfortable was a bit intrusive and she felt we were somehow losing a little of our own stamp on the place. Now to be fair she liked some little bits but she felt that she should have a say in it because it was her house and she should be able to decide what goes in her own house.
Well I rode roughshod over her dirty little racist thoughts and I told her she was like the far right or something and in response I doubled down but this time instead of just taking Somalian lads I brought an absolute ball of nationalities on and told them all I'd look after them no matter how many of them turned up.
Now prior to this me and my family weren't especially wealthy but at least we could afford some food and medicines even though it was tight at times and in the winter when we were all sick with colds and stuff sometimes we found it hard to look after us all, but now that we have become the absolute menagerie that we currently are it has become extremely difficult to keep everyone fed and healthy.
So I've decided to prioritise and because it would be racist not to, I've decided to help the new lads more than my own lads because they were obviously privileged in the first place to be having things so they can just figure that one out themselves and if they don't like it they can move to Australia or Canada or wherever they like because over my dead body will we be treating them as if they've been here all along and it was their home in the first place.
No no we won't doing that fair thing that we could have done for our own lads all along because it's racist and far right to let them nearly go to the wall to send their kids to college in the future unless we give it to the new lads for nothing ten minutes after arriving at the front door with nothing only the clothes on their backs. That's only fair, and not racist to boot.
Well anyway the wife still wasn't convinced, the racist little cunt so I rang the guards and asked them if they'd send the public order unit to convince her that she had nothing to worry about.
Fuckin women, eh? Some racist and misogynistic cunts the whole lot of them
Dear Nuala....
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 06, 2024, 12:51:43 AMCos it's here if you didn't:
https://x.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1769098235157611003
I can't see anything resembling this in it though:
Quotethen reporting on their return when they set back up in town after being removed
And just for a reminder of what I was told when I asked a journalist their "professional" opinion:
QuoteWell are we talking about a video interview that was in the can? [Yes, because, as we can see, the interview was filmed on site up in Crooksling] Then the person can say they were just being sound.
You just keep telling yourself lad.
Back when it happened, you said they were "taking part in making the news as well as reporting on it" but also that you would be "keeping an eye on the VM news bit because I'm not 100 percent on it."
Well there's the VM news bit there, and what anyone who wants to watch it can see is that they reported on the news first, filming an interview with one of the IPAs up at Crooksling, and then, based on what we know from outside of the report, gave a couple of the lads a lift to town afterward. So they didn't make and then report the news. They reported the news and then gave a couple of lads a lift. The proof of that is all right there in the report. You were right not to be 100 percent on it back then. What's not clear is why, in the three months it's apparently been turning round in your head since, you decided you were 100 percent on it and not, in fact, mistaken due to leaping to anti-establishment conspiracy conclusions.
Right. Read this.
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Replies turned off for some reason as well.
An anti establishment conspiracy theory indeed. You tip away convincing yourself.
I take it from the above that you still haven't watched what you've been claiming to be propaganda. Near the beginning of the report, they show on film some of the lads who are already heading back towards town on foot. More than would have fit in their two cars.
I think what I don't get is that you seem to be the kind of lad who's probably sound in real life. Y'know, the kind of person who yourself would offer a lift to someone rather than wave them a "Right, I've got what I needed, good luck to ya now", even if that meant opening yourself up to attacks from the kind of definitely not sound muppets who are the reason the replies are turned off.
As an aside to that comment sections on twitter and Facebook are fucked. Was there always this many brain dead and hostile cunts about or were they always there and we're only hearing them now because of social media.
Oh I think they're stupid cunts too when I read them but I still think that the news getting involved shows an agenda that they should stay away from if they want to be impartial. The support for stooks like the NP and those lads is mostly created by the media bias against any concerns and it's very obvious. That might seem fine when one supports the opinion but it's the thing in itself that's wrong and vm news put in for it with what they did. It's really that simple.
Do you think I agree with the government removing the tent city for optics before Paddy's Day and the europa league final? No, of course not and now that these people are here, it's entirely on the government who refuse point blank to fix the problem at source rather than the lads in the tents. Do I think vm news should simply report on what happened and leave it there? Yes, I do.
And I looked at the video indeed yes, but did you read the tweet that was after the fact and reported that they'd already returned?
Whole things a fucking mess and lack of fixing what wouldn't have been too tough a year ago has lead to support of Christian nationalists, who have always been one of my personal favourites..
There's Irish accounts quoting Auslander Raus now ffs
Need to subvert the movement by making up a rake of National Party and Irish First branded WWJD bracelets :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 06, 2024, 11:47:00 PMNeed to subvert the movement by making up a rake of National Party and Irish First branded WWJD bracelets :laugh:
I'll distribute them down the polling booths and the cognitive dissonance should be enough to make several lads heads explode :laugh:
There's going to be a hullabaloo about Ukrainians and foreigners voting in the locals today and of unscrupulous candidates doing the things they did to get them to vote but when I was in the queue there was a Ukrainian woman who I have met a few times coming away from the booth holding her passport having cast her vote and I was hit by a sudden wave of humanity thinking of herself and her family being afraid that if they didn't vote then they wouldn't cast out the idea of the likes of Derek and the lads who are actively campaigning to get rid of them on the next possible plane and I was a bit bothered by this, knowing that all that had to be done was apply some sort of sensible rules to stop the place being abused by cunts and welfare tourists from wherever they say they're from. Last time I met her I made a paper aeroplane for her kid and he was delighted, well until it was shit to fly at least....
Then I downloaded the latest mix of Auslander Raus from iTunes and I felt good again in my own skin..
:-\
There's a total of nearly 3.6m eligible for voting for MEP's, and 3.7m for local elections, so difference of c.100k.
Foreigners eligble to vote in the local elections therefore account for c.2.7% of the eligible voters. Not necessarily voting, but eligible.
Despite this Derek and the lads claim hundreds of thousands of illegals are voting so make sure you vote or else...
As an aside, it was great to see Derek get owned telling someome working that they were a guest of the nation, and the guy responded so is Derek's wife :laugh:
Quote from: Snare on June 07, 2024, 11:39:06 PMThere's a total of nearly 3.6m eligible for voting for MEP's, and 3.7m for local elections, so difference of c.100k.
Foreigners eligble to vote in the local elections therefore account for c.2.7% of the eligible voters. Not necessarily voting, but eligible.
Despite this Derek and the lads claim hundreds of thousands of illegals are voting so make sure you vote or else...
As an aside, it was great to see Derek get owned telling someome working that they were a guest of the nation, and the guy responded so is Derek's wife :laugh:
I'm the government's strongest critic but I'm not fucking stupid enough to fall into that bollix. I'm not getting into any of the politics this time for once though. Its just too depressing to think that this is the general level of shit we have to vote on.
Not a single one of them deserves that absolute money train of a job that they want us to put them in.
Here's something I often think of: how come none of the lads that get voted in come back halfway through their term to see if we're happy with how they're going?
Astfgyl, do you mean Derek Blythe? Tbf, I do agree with you mostly but if you are talking about Derek Blythe, that's not correct. If I'm wrong, point it out but I'm certain Derek has only campaigned for helping Irish people in need first, then any genuine asylum seekers and wanted to highlight why there is blatant preferential treatment. Over a year ago in Mitchelstown I believe, vacant property belonging to the church were being refitted for Ukrainians and Derek offered to do the work for practically nothing with his team if half of the six houses were reserved for Irish families, the authorities said no so he again offered finally to do the work as long as just one house was reserved for an Irish lad who lost his house and was living in his car in the town and they said no. Why because, it's not about humanity it's all about money, money and more money. You've heard them say "we have international obligations" the lad in the car doesn't qualify. I've have never heard anyone say get Ukrainians on the first plane out of this country as a campaign. What I have heard is deport any migrants claiming asylum who have no documents and are proven to be either rejects from other EU countries or economic migrants from safe countries looking to bypass the legal route as they would be rejected any other way. I completely agree with this, who wouldn't? Honestly.
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Yeah I mean that Derek. I share the concerns of many with the unfairness of it all and I entirely blame the government and pals for allowing the place to be absolutely flooded with cunts who shouldn't be here at all and all for the money involved in it and there's a real point to be made about treating foreigners better than our own because I'm wondering how I'm going to make ends meet trying to pay the daughter through college while the Ukrainians can have it for nothing but I can't and most of the stuff is obscene but I meet a good few of the Derek supporters and the ones I talk to have basically turned to racism altogether rather than anything like what you're saying the lad did. Now I could write all day about how the absolute pisstake of a system we have going is destroying the place, because it is tbf, but every now and again I'm stricken by a tiny bit of humanity because I know a good few of the foreign lads around the place and get on well with them now that they're here. Anyway, I saw a tweet the other day that sort of summed up where I see things going and it just wouldn't be where I'd be at whatsoever despite sharing many of the concerns of most people. Yes it's all the government's fault but the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend so now I'm in a position where I agree with fucking nothing anymore
Ah Lunar Blood, seriously, have you not seen the videos in Fermoy where he's telling workers go back to your own country, and tries to stop them from doing their job?
Also stopping another person of colour from doing his job last week, and starting it again this week before he got his come uppance about his own wife being a foreigner.
What makes you think the church in Mitchelstown is getting paid for doing as they like with their own property? Is that not the same property that Bazz did the retrofit on RTÉ and got racist abuse for doing so? A lad here was involved in tiling the place.
I didn't hear of Derek offering to work on the place but with his baggage (getting a charity shop closed down for starters) and blatant lies it's hard to see why any organisation would get involved with him and give him a propaganda platform.
He's a despicable, hypocritical piece of shit along with his thug brother (who changed his surname to try to absolve himself from his past crimes all over Cork).
https://x.com/AbolishDirect/status/1799151093324063161?t=YYnPqfZKr8XB7tyhQACQyQ&s=19
Then there's this "to make sure they voted correctly"
Some scam
Have to presume they meant without spoiling the ballot paper, etc., but what an awful choice of words!
I saw Heasman getting mocked and more for illegally taking a photo of his complete ballot paper, inside the booth, and then sharing it to his social media account. And I'd say he's not the only one of the candidate bunch this year who could have done with a hand voting "correctly" :laugh:
There were 27 candidates on the European Parliament ballot paper in my area, it was about two foot long. At least half of them I'd never heard of, and some of the clowns going for it this time, fucking hell. Nina Carberry, Peter Casey, Ciaran Mullooly, wudja stop.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2024, 01:28:29 PMHave to presume they meant without spoiling the ballot paper, etc., but what an awful choice of words!
I saw Heasman getting mocked and more for illegally taking a photo of his complete ballot paper, inside the booth, and then sharing it to his social media account. And I'd say he's not the only one of the candidate bunch this year who could have done with a hand voting "correctly" :laugh:
Those twitter posts telling lads to make sure and sign the ballot so it couldn't be tampered with and to draw circles around the candidates they didn't want to vote for were fairly funny. Some of them were very subtle indeed
I hear your points lads and no snare I haven't seen but I'll take your word for it as what I was talking about would have been well over a year ago and if that is the case we'll he's fucked himself rightly hasn't he because that's awful behaviour. And I'm unaware of his brother so again I'll take your word for it. I understand he has said and done a lot more since then, but I was just making the point I think he had the right idea at the start of the Ukrainian migration to at least have a conversation about but to respond to Astfgyl's point I agree and think certainly lads have come to this conclusion but for all the wrong reasons, jumping to hatred of the person rather than the system and it doesn't help anyone. And Snare, I wouldn't be surprised if he is a scut, I was just separating the man from the argument and seeing was there something to consider.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2024, 01:05:36 PMhttps://x.com/AbolishDirect/status/1799151093324063161?t=YYnPqfZKr8XB7tyhQACQyQ&s=19
Then there's this "to make sure they voted correctly"
Some scam
Is this a joke?! 😅, that's fairly bad jesus.
Quote from: Lunar blood on June 08, 2024, 02:12:12 PMQuote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2024, 01:05:36 PMhttps://x.com/AbolishDirect/status/1799151093324063161?t=YYnPqfZKr8XB7tyhQACQyQ&s=19
Then there's this "to make sure they voted correctly"
Some scam
Is this a joke?! 😅, that's fairly bad jesus.
There's videos from all over of lads bussing in migrants to voting centres and it's not going to make people any happier even if it works in the locals it's going to be felt at the GE. Don't forget the migrants can't vote in that one so today's results are not going to be a good indicator of what's to come at the next vote and government parties who gain from it would do well not to be too emboldened by any of it
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2024, 03:19:38 PMQuote from: Lunar blood on June 08, 2024, 02:12:12 PMQuote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2024, 01:05:36 PMhttps://x.com/AbolishDirect/status/1799151093324063161?t=YYnPqfZKr8XB7tyhQACQyQ&s=19
Then there's this "to make sure they voted correctly"
Some scam
Is this a joke?! 😅, that's fairly bad jesus.
There's videos from all over of lads bussing in migrants to voting centres and it's not going to make people any happier even if it works in the locals it's going to be felt at the GE. Don't forget the migrants can't vote in that one so today's results are not going to be a good indicator of what's to come at the next vote and government parties who gain from it would do well not to be too emboldened by any of it
Yah jesus, I'm seeing a few bits there now. Why am I not surprised, I knew they were being coached but ffs. Just saw there was a group of migrants dropped off at a Sligo polling station in a Fine Gael campaign van for a local candidate, Thomas Walsh if I'm not mistaken. I wonder who they voted for?lol. Jokes aside,the whole election is compromised in my view and you're right they should hang their heads but all the main party candidates were all strutting around my constituency like the march referendum never happened so i dunno.
Looks like the early indication is as I predicted with the main parties doing the best out of the local elections in the absence of any serious opposition. I don't think it was ever in doubt but I'd have hoped for more independents to put manners on the govt before the general election. Ah well, no point people complaining about getting poorer when they keep going for more of the same
Who in the name of Jaysus is voting FF/FG?
Old money is who votes FF/FG.
The SF vote has been splintered due to their pro immigration and pro Europe stance rendering them indistinguishable from the current crowd in the eyes of many and will have been split between independents and absolute fruitcakes.
It was fairly obvious to me due to the fractured nature of the opposition in general with no particular group able to capture the imagination of the undecided in meaningful numbers.
Then you have the fact that a large portion of young people don't vote at all or have emigrated so you're left with young party supporters, bus loads of asylum seekers and the aforementioned old money to make up the turnout for this election.
As I was saying I'd have hoped the level of anti government feeling would have translated into more seats for independents all over but it seems there'll only have been minor gains, and in some constituencies, even losses on the independent front.
This minute it seems we're condemned to the same old same old for the foreseeable future unless someone very charismatic comes out of the left field to unite the opposition voters behind a single banner, and I just don't see that happening at all.
This is nuts...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c888v0lwxy2o
Responsibility is to not show players of a certain skin tone if their team loses, even if the picture sums up the mood and highlights a skilled player reaching the world stage which is surely inspiring??
My head hurts...
Quote from: Snare on June 11, 2024, 12:18:08 AMThis is nuts...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c888v0lwxy2o
Responsibility is to not show players of a certain skin tone if their team loses, even if the picture sums up the mood and highlights a skilled player reaching the world stage which is surely inspiring??
My head hurts...
Saw that get going on twitter the other day and I couldn't wrap my head around it
So, in the end it looks like the "90% silent majority" voted in 6 candidates out of 159 who ran on an anti-immigration ticket. Two of those are returning councillors, then there's Pepper, Quinlan, and Steenson in out of the names people might be familiar with. If you lump that result together with Aontú, that leaves a far right representation (strictly defined as the outliers furthest to the right as compared to the enormously over-represented centre) that is essentially no bigger than the far left PBP-Solidarity representation, at around 1.5% of the voter share each (that said, I don't know how many elected Independents also ran on far left policies). It'd be interesting being a fly on the wall at Pepper or Quinlan's first council meetings. Quinlan, for example, is in with Labour, SF, PBP, and a migrant representative for FF.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 11, 2024, 10:48:13 AMSo, in the end it looks like the "90% silent majority" voted in 6 candidates out of 159 who ran on an anti-immigration ticket. Two of those are returning councillors, then there's Pepper, Quinlan, and Steenson in out of the names people might be familiar with. If you lump that result together with Aontú, that leaves a far right representation (strictly defined as the outliers furthest to the right as compared to the enormously over-represented centre) that is essentially no bigger than the far left PBP-Solidarity representation, at around 1.5% of the voter share each (that said, I don't know how many elected Independents also ran on far left policies). It'd be interesting being a fly on the wall at Pepper or Quinlan's first council meetings. Quinlan, for example, is in with Labour, SF, PBP, and a migrant representative for FF.
Nobody wants the extremes on either side. Looking at the ballot last Friday I was very disheartened by the choices of opposition or policy difference on offer. A real ballot full of company men and shitehawks to choose from. I'd have liked the shinners to fill that gap but it wasn't to be unfortunately. I voted left in the locals because I know the chap for years and he's decent but I told him not to bother flying the kite for his party in the GE because I won't be buying in.
All I was hoping for was something sensible as an alternative, yknow maybe somewhere between the third world free for all and Auslander Raus but it's not there. And that's only one thing, I'd also have a keen interest in green policies that don't make me poorer but we don't have that either. I'd like to see someone run on decoupling government from the machinations of the lobby industry but we can't have that either. I'd like to see someone who wanted to run the country efficiently and cut the deadweight from the civil service and the health services and maybe someone who wants to stop the drainage of our youth to the corners of the earth by making this place viable but no we can't have that either and it's all because we're ran by greed in all ways. Ah well...
I'd just as soon vote Paul Murphy as gavin Pepper, in other words never. It's all just too stupid and extreme for my liking and it's little wonder we see the return of the status quo when we look at the alternatives.
Worth mentioning too, in "local" MI news, GOLIATH GOT ELECTED. Glad for him, he's seemingly never not doing some kind of community work.
Jaysus, the caps legend? Fair play to him
Fsir play Goliath. Who was the actual person again - Karl feom Day of Darkness?
https://x.com/TezTruth81/status/1800417310420996591?t=DNNibULoNBiR5HY7Pxrejw&s=19
Quote from: Snare on June 11, 2024, 06:25:56 PMFsir play Goliath. Who was the actual person again - Karl feom Day of Darkness?
Mark, but yeah from DoD, Dublin Doom Days, etc.
I dunno who that is but they must be feeling absolutely elected this minute and fair play to em for getting off their hole and putting their money where their mouth is.
This also applies to Paul Murphy,
Tv Chef Gino D'acampo,
Tv Chef Gordon Ramsey,
the lad off telly bingo who was the face of me winning an odd tenner for years,
Margaret thatcher,
Ian paisley your boys took one hell of a beating,
Oliver Cromwell for two bob sinn fein,
Leo varadkar feat pitbull and the Young Global Leaders,
Michail "Gorbachev" Martin,
Michael "look at me, quizzing the government as a long job interview for the euro gravy" McNamara,
iTunes exclusive Auslander Raus by van morisson vs the tinfoil milliner feat Eric Clapton vs some cunt from the green party,
The lad in work that asked me to help him order his uniform and now he has something wrong with his hip and his pants are hanging off him but he's limping as well feat Damien Marley and me but it's not bob Marleys illegitimate offspring used as feed in the greed trough because he's stone useless but his father was somewhat of a money maker but rather this is Jennifer Aniston and on and on with ariston but in that film when the dog dies....
There are many more but the common thread is that they did things while others only said things and for that I commend them along with the lad from the old MI that the lads are going on about, whereas I didn't....
Quote from: pete on June 11, 2024, 11:30:05 PM.Quote from: astfgyl on June 11, 2024, 11:25:15 PMwhereas I didn't....
And for that we thank you.
Hey, sound man, it's always nice to get the appreciation no matter how tangential or ironic it is
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 11, 2024, 12:53:52 PMWorth mentioning too, in "local" MI news, GOLIATH GOT ELECTED. Glad for him, he's seemingly never not doing some kind of community work.
Indeed - he always has something in the go and is a sound lad.
Been on the Kildare county council since the 2019 election I think.
Bit mad to be driving around and seeing the election posters with him in a shirt and jacket 8)
Fair play to him. Mark is a good dude.
Quote from: stearl on June 12, 2024, 09:32:15 AMBit mad to be driving around and seeing the election posters with him in a shirt and jacket 8)
Especially when you recall some of the things that were done to election posters outside Pedigree Corner :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2024, 11:12:14 AMQuote from: stearl on June 12, 2024, 09:32:15 AMBit mad to be driving around and seeing the election posters with him in a shirt and jacket 8)
Especially when you recall some of the things that were done to election posters outside Pedigree Corner :laugh:
Stop the paedophiles indeed :laugh:
Plenty for everyone to laugh and sneer at in here. Jon Stewart does his take on "the values of the Carphone Warhouse":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWVbZ0WQ3s8
Jon Stewart can't understand why corporations are so shallow?
Jon Stewart is for sale to the highest bidder and exactly the thing he's calling out is exactly what he'd do.
All of the covid stuff showed them all up and there's no coming back for any of them with me. Not for believing in it or taking vaccines or any of that, but for what they wanted to do to people who wouldn't play along which was exclude them as long as they were right and that was based on false evidence that everyone just went quiet about and then tried pretending they had a brain all along.
The only reason Jon Stewart is saying (the exact same shit I'm on record saying on this very site but everyone just thought I was gone fried from conspiracies) this now is because it's hurting his sponsors in the pocket so they'll have to tell him ease off a bit for now. Suddenly we have this cunt saying this shit?
Fackin Ell
Uh-huh. I laughed at the bits that were funny.
Ah to be fair I did laugh as well
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/clww729180po.amp
I suppose one is either in or one is out
Fair play to them for sticking up for themselves. I'm not against immigration but in general the EU is a fucking disgrace.
Quote from: open face surgery on June 13, 2024, 10:06:46 PMFair play to them for sticking up for themselves. I'm not against immigration but in general the EU is a fucking disgrace.
I feel like that as well. Immigration and all that is mostly a distraction because people are people and 90 percent of all people will be actually the solid finest and anyone with a brain can see this but with the level of bad buzz that's going on around the place these days it might be popular for an Irish government to slow it down or tighten it up a bit here and there but it feels like they can't because of things like what just happened to Hungary and there's probably money to take it all on and fines for not doing that and in that respect I don't think I'd be a fan of what we've gotten ourselves into by being so tied into the EU as it's working for us at the minute
Quote from: astfgyl on June 14, 2024, 01:49:30 AMQuote from: open face surgery on June 13, 2024, 10:06:46 PMFair play to them for sticking up for themselves. I'm not against immigration but in general the EU is a fucking disgrace.
I feel like that as well. Immigration and all that is mostly a distraction because people are people and 90 percent of all people will be actually the solid finest
The vast majority of people had no issue with legal immigration but the current shit show is starting to change all of that. The Government trying to put welfare migrants and someone who moves to a country legally while supporting themselves all under the banner of immigration hasn't helped things either. Now you have so many wrongly referring to lads coming here looking for handouts as immigrants.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2998klx2y0o
Lol the fact checkers are back
QuoteI was talking to a friend who lives in Leicester, he said "there's so many Africans and Ukrainians here now, it just doesn't feel like Pakistan anymore"
Stole that one off one of the union jack accounts on twitter but it did give me a good laugh.
Oh no, eamon Ryan resigned!
But we need him more than ever to fight the global boiling :( :(
Quote from: astfgyl on June 18, 2024, 01:56:58 PMOh no, eamon Ryan resigned!
But we need him more than ever to fight the global boiling :( :(
We certainly do :o
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/18/weather/heat-wave-news
Quote from: stearl on June 18, 2024, 03:41:17 PMWe certainly do :o
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/18/weather/heat-wave-news
I'm off to the US in a few weeks. I have a feeling that I will be cooked.
Quote from: stearl on June 18, 2024, 03:41:17 PMQuote from: astfgyl on June 18, 2024, 01:56:58 PMOh no, eamon Ryan resigned!
But we need him more than ever to fight the global boiling :( :(
We certainly do :o
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/18/weather/heat-wave-news
If it was good enough for Steve Staunton back in 94, it'll be good enough for everyone else. Except Andy Townsend, it turned his hair like what happened to Keanu Reeves in Bram Stoker's Dracula but that wasn't the heat, it was more the terror of said heat.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on June 18, 2024, 05:01:59 PMQuote from: stearl on June 18, 2024, 03:41:17 PMWe certainly do :o
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/18/weather/heat-wave-news
I'm off to the US in a few weeks. I have a feeling that I will be cooked.
How pasty would you be in general? Just lay back, close your eyes and think of Steve Staunton and it'll be over before you know it.
Oh wait, shit, you said you were heading to the US, not prison...
My bad.
Yknow,I think Eamon Ryan is unlucky in that most people would be well on board with the green stuff if it didn't involve making them poorer because it can be clearly seen that people who make money off it are really into it in general. Seems to lead some folk down a weird path of communist ideals as well which doesn't help.
I actually don't think a change of leader will help the greens either because as long as people have fuck all money already it just won't wash with them, like "Hey great news the price of coal is doubled, go the greens pure legends etc".
Eamon's a grand lad, if only for delivering the most inspirational political speech this side of "We shall fight on the beaches"...
https://youtu.be/dnfSCFzaIDs?si=EvEnJ2oKVea_fjJl
(Skip to 2.10 for those of you not fortunate enough to be familiar with this already)
Quote from: astfgyl on June 18, 2024, 01:56:58 PMOh no, eamon Ryan resigned!
But we need him more than ever to fight the global boiling :( :(
Fuck him. Hope someone dumps a pack of starving wolves in his garden.
https://www.thepublica.com/germany-woman-convicted-of-offending-migrant-gang-rapists-receives-longer-prison-sentence-than-the-rapists/
If this is true then Hawwwww Heeeee Hawwwwww Heeeeee Hawwwwwww
But you'd never know if anything is really true anymore
You never would. But when you're reading from a digital rag started by two YouTubers, best to be extra skeptical.
Fair point. The fact I'd never heard of the source did get my spidey senses going tbf.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 24, 2024, 07:31:22 PMFair point. The fact I'd never heard of the source did get my spidey senses going tbf.
No need to be too sceptical in this case
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/hamburg-gruppenvergewaltigung-von-15-jaehriger-im-stadtpark-neun-maenner-verurteilt-a-07bb9268-d22b-4710-ae22-3112426f09a8
And in the English language
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/outrage-as-eight-of-nine-men-convicted-of-park-gangrape-15yearold-in-germany-receive-no-prison-time/news-story/353bcbf9437ea62eea0ee3c6cc0c2cc7
Quote from: 91/30 on June 24, 2024, 09:30:54 PMQuote from: astfgyl on June 24, 2024, 07:31:22 PMFair point. The fact I'd never heard of the source did get my spidey senses going tbf.
No need to be too sceptical in this case
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/hamburg-gruppenvergewaltigung-von-15-jaehriger-im-stadtpark-neun-maenner-verurteilt-a-07bb9268-d22b-4710-ae22-3112426f09a8
And in the English language
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/outrage-as-eight-of-nine-men-convicted-of-park-gangrape-15yearold-in-germany-receive-no-prison-time/news-story/353bcbf9437ea62eea0ee3c6cc0c2cc7
Ahhhh ffs. I was actually hoping it wouldn't be real
Edit: so I went searching for the part where someone got a worse sentence for complaining about it, and I can't find that. I'm still hoping the report is crap because that would be just too stupid
In fairness, in cases of miscarriage of justice like this one, where clear-as-day criminals get let off essentially scot-free, then any other sentence is going to be longer by comparison so, technically at least, it's not hard to imagine this being true. Not all too different to Judge O'Donnell giving no time to yer man Crotty but 7 years previously to someone for growing cannabis. Penal/correctional systems the world over seem totally fucked up.
Ff/fg voting for that Ghoul again as Eu president. A country run by utter cute hoors
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 24, 2024, 10:31:59 PMIn fairness, in cases of miscarriage of justice like this one, where clear-as-day criminals get let off essentially scot-free, then any other sentence is going to be longer by comparison so, technically at least, it's not hard to imagine this being true. Not all too different to Judge O'Donnell giving no time to yer man Crotty but 7 years previously to someone for growing cannabis. Penal/correctional systems the world over seem totally fucked up.
Yeah they do. And it's with loads of different ones as well not just one thing or another. It's weird the way it seems to have turned to perpetrators rights over the years but that's the Be Kind mentality for you I suppose..
Some charming and enlightened individual called in a bomb threat to Simon Harris' home this evening, with his wife and kids there.
Scummy behaviour. Theres growing anger out there
That must be some pain in the hole, having to take these threats seriously when the sort of lads doing that most likely couldn't organise shit but still he'd have to go through the motions with the guards and probably the bomb squad over to have a look see. I wouldn't expect it to be true whatsoever but still he couldn't just leave it off either.
Wonder if it's something to do with the migration pact that is being reported in some corners as being potentially worse than the rule free migration we already have?
Quote from: astfgyl on June 27, 2024, 02:53:59 PMThat must be some pain in the hole, having to take these threats seriously when the sort of lads doing that most likely couldn't organise shit but still he'd have to go through the motions with the guards and probably the bomb squad over to have a look see. I wouldn't expect it to be true whatsoever but still he couldn't just leave it off either.
Wonder if it's something to do with the migration pact that is being reported in some corners as being potentially worse than the rule free migration we already have?
Heard on the radio it was taken seriously as there was a code word used on the initial threat. Make of that what you will.
Not being funny but how does anyone know the codeword? How do the guards know even?
Dear Google, give me a list of bomb codewords that the Gardai will believe?
I'm bollixing of course but it's mad that all one would need now is the word and not the bomb
Quote from: astfgyl on June 27, 2024, 07:08:03 PMNot being funny but how does anyone know the codeword? How do the guards know even?
Dear Google, give me a list of bomb codewords that the Gardai will believe?
I'm bollixing of course but it's mad that all one would need now is the word and not the bomb
There's another thing. Do terrorist groups and the cops have some of co-operation with regards to the codeword system? Say a new terrorist group set up, do they have to send in their code words to be vetted? "Nope, you can't use that codeword, it's been claimed. Same with that word. Okay, this word, nobody's using it, so it's good to go."
"How about 'getthemout012345'?"
Quote from: astfgyl on June 27, 2024, 07:08:03 PMNot being funny but how does anyone know the codeword? How do the guards know even?
Dear Google, give me a list of bomb codewords that the Gardai will believe?
I'm bollixing of course but it's mad that all one would need now is the word and not the bomb
Possibly used one of the active dissident group codes. They were used a lot throughout the Troubles and it'd still get flagged by counter terrorism.
Yeah I'd imagine back in the day that codewords were given and then when something actually happened that they were taken seriously from then on. How the new stooks got a hold of dissident codewords is a bit of a worry though. If they do have the right ones then there must be some of the old guard involved, which I suppose goes to show how much bad feeling is actually out there. Will we see a return to Troubles style disagreement? I really hope not as I still believe that wouldn't solve anything
Quote from: astfgyl on June 28, 2024, 11:54:50 AMHow the new stooks got a hold of dissident codewords is a bit of a worry though.
They can be a codeword or a phrase. Sure Howard Marks in his book gave out one of the phrases (he was running drugs through Shannon airport through a dissident contact).
Counter intelligence, same as anywhere in the world. There'll be Gardaí undercover in several of those groups, as well as whatever surveillance they're able to run electronically (admittedly not too much hard work to do when you've these dopes gleefully posting themselves committing hate crimes like the lads chasing people round the field in Wicklow with a car). It's a tale as old as time (well, maybe not the electronic part).
Yeah what was the car chase thing about? Did the lads do anything?
I presume they were just walking in the fields and the farmers went overboard protecting against trespassers. Seemed like the vehicle occupants thought they were in the Brujeria video for La Migra! :-\
Quote from: Snare on June 28, 2024, 08:20:50 PMI presume they were just walking in the fields and the farmers went overboard protecting against trespassers. Seemed like the vehicle occupants thought they were in the Brujeria video for La Migra! :-\
No joke, about an hour ago I sent the brother a message randomly saying la migra were after me. Now I know what put it in my head lol
QuoteConvicted rapist Michael Murray has emerged as the prime suspect in phoning in the hoax bomb threat on Taoiseach Simon Harris' home from prison.
The Sunday World understands Murray is suspected to have used another inmate's identification number to place the call to the Samaritans from his landing in the Midlands Prison.
It's suspected the call was made from a handset which is used by inmates for the purposes of calling permitted numbers, including the Samaritans Helpline.
Murray, who was previously convicted of making a bomb threat to the house of Justice Minister Helen McEntee from behind bars, is currently serving a 19-year-sentence in the prison for rape.
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/rapist-prime-suspect-in-bomb-threat-against-taoiseachs-family-home/a1162611298.html
Sounds like an all round great guy. I'm sure he won't mind another couple of years added on
Regarding code words, I knew a guy who was working late Saturday in the KFC in Ballymena. Phone rang and the guy at the other end simply said "Codeword Sierra. Stop serving RUC or your staff will be targeted."
Now, they had just served a squad of them who were eating outside, so he nervously approached them and told them what happened.
They rang it through and said it was just a prank and not to worry about it.
Several months later they heard that the guy who did it was in a naughty gang and yes it was a prank but Sierra was an actual code word at one point.
I think there's going to be some offence taken to the new Anti Racism Action Plan and the choice of spokesperson. Tis a bit ridiculous.
Just an example of a quote from the rapporteur to whom I think your referring astfgyl:
"I eat potatoes all the time, so it won't be too hard for you to go to an African restaurant and eat an African meal. Bring four or five friends with you, I guarantee it won't disappoint."
A brilliant decision to appoint her.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/we-need-to-have-a-better-understanding-of-black-irish-history-says-dublin-lecturer/42102724.html (https://www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/we-need-to-have-a-better-understanding-of-black-irish-history-says-dublin-lecturer/42102724.html)
Aye that's her. I think she said ribena was racist at one point :laugh:
Well tbf it wasn't exactly like that but she thought the waiter might be racist for fucking up her order rather than just thinking they fucked up.
Honestly this shit is counterproductive and will cause far more racism than it ever solves.
I work with a Nigerian woman and we get on great and one day I said something was a bit racist while she was in the room and the other lads there said to me you can't say the word racist in front of a black person I mean like what the fuck sort of attitude is that when we're all working together. Obviously she didn't give a fuck because the conversation was nothing to do with her and I thought we'd reached equality years ago but the likes of that crap to me seems racist and stupid more than saying the word does.
It's like everything has to be forced rather than just happening naturally when people integrate over a few years. I know plenty of black people and this shit doesn't even come into conversation and I'd expect them to give as much of a fuck that I'm white as I do that they're black, ie none. Like I might ask them about the culture where they come from if they're not born here but I'd ask a white English lad the same thing.
It's just fucking stupid really to the extent I wonder if it's actually designed to drive enough stooks to open racism so that hate speech laws can be brought in by trojan horse
I don't think our government are that clever to be honest.
But, it is easy to see how the likes of Dr Joseph can harden the views of those in the middle ground with the racism around every corner schtick.
I had the pleasure of attending a remote workplace seminar with her in 2021 - I was not convinced at all - plenty of senior management nodding like dogs though.
Aye maybe I'm giving them too much credit there but just look at how that limerick girl getting the beating is being spun now and I wouldn't put it past them to take every opportunity even if they didn't exactly plan it. She's certainly making the most of her moment in the sun as well but it seems to be driving in the wrong direction to me. Immediate talk of hate crimes rather than just applying the laws we have and maybe sending lads to prison for violent crimes. Like if a lad is going to do that, I don't think hate speech legislation will be the thing that stops them but a good strong sentence might. A lot of the news and social media lately seems to be sort of race baiting too. Indeed most likely for clicks but it could lead to some weird censorship if it stays going
Quote from: astfgyl on July 03, 2024, 05:49:30 PMA lot of the news and social media lately seems to be sort of race baiting too. Indeed most likely for clicks but it could lead to some weird censorship if it stays going
This has defo grown in the last few months and defo for clicks.
Yeah it seems to be universal as well rather than any one side. Only social I look at is twitter and it seems the monetization of clicks on there has really accelerated things. Hopefully that'll die down too and folks will ignore it more. Me included. I almost have the timeline cleansed at this stage because some of the baiting was working a bit too well on me and the more I clicked the more I got so I had to go back to liking cats and fails for my scrolling addicted fingers. But yeah even the proper papers seem to be at it in their socials now because even bad attention is better than none for media companies.
Speaking of racists, the election season here is absolutely wild. Too many things to remember, but to give the general scene, the Front National apparently didn't fully "vet" all their candidates. Turns out one of them, a woman, organized an armed hostage situation in a townhall in the 90s. Another was under investigation for undeclared earnings but his case was thrown out last year because he is under guardianship for "deficient mental capacity" making him ineligible for office too :laugh:
Edit: this photo is just taking the piss out of the RN, not an actual candidate. Sorry, the madness makes the line between satire and reality so thin :laugh:
https://x.com/germanswinger75/status/1808517327102636507
There's so many candidates doing a better job than anyone else could of making fools of themselves in interviews, etc., though. Never seen the likes of it. The Irish head the balls had nothing on some of this lot, holy fuck!
"It's not racism Bill, it's Ethnic Criticism"
Throwing this in here because it's likely the most politically bent thread but it's sort of a random thought too.
Anyway so I came across a clip of nigel farage earlier and found myself agreeing with him. This of course set the old alarm bells ringing in my head and it got me thinking:
Most people have a favourite between one side and the other in general and not too many of us are political extremists at all i would think, but with all the things we've seen as long as we've been paying any attention to politics; what in the name of God would make any of us support any of the lying bastards? Serious question, and I'm as guilty as anyone of falling for some of it sometimes but how many fucking times are we going to be codded and not just go for all out civil disobedience? Nothing works for anyone anymore and it's all fucked unless some sort of global occupy wall street effort takes off but what will be the final straw if anything?
Also, the term Populism is bandied about as a dirty word but what's wrong with politicians endeavouring to carry out the will of the folks who elected them? I think it has been made out to be a dirty word so that the political cunts can feel superior and be our masters rather than the servants they're actually supposed to be.
This isn't just because of the farage thing either, I just became suddenly disgusted with the whole thing when I went to vote in the local and euro elections lately and I haven't really been able to come back from how sickening it all really is. All of it
Quote from: astfgyl on July 04, 2024, 10:39:57 PMThrowing this in here because it's likely the most politically bent thread but it's sort of a random thought too.
Anyway so I came across a clip of nigel farage earlier and found myself agreeing with him. This of course set the old alarm bells ringing in my head and it got me thinking:
Most people have a favourite between one side and the other in general and not too many of us are political extremists at all i would think, but with all the things we've seen as long as we've been paying any attention to politics; what in the name of God would make any of us support any of the lying bastards? Serious question, and I'm as guilty as anyone of falling for some of it sometimes but how many fucking times are we going to be codded and not just go for all out civil disobedience? Nothing works for anyone anymore and it's all fucked unless some sort of global occupy wall street effort takes off but what will be the final straw if anything?
Also, the term Populism is bandied about as a dirty word but what's wrong with politicians endeavouring to carry out the will of the folks who elected them? I think it has been made out to be a dirty word so that the political cunts can feel superior and be our masters rather than the servants they're actually supposed to be.
This isn't just because of the farage thing either, I just became suddenly disgusted with the whole thing when I went to vote in the local and euro elections lately and I haven't really been able to come back from how sickening it all really is. All of it
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/11/younger-people-more-relaxed-alternatives-democracy-survey (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/11/younger-people-more-relaxed-alternatives-democracy-survey)
Quote...only 57% of respondents aged 18 to 35 felt democracy was preferable to any other form of government, against 71% of those over 56, and 42% of younger people said they were supportive of military rule, against just 20% of older respondents.
Supportive of military rule???
Quote from: TheRuts on July 06, 2024, 10:34:38 PMQuote from: astfgyl on July 04, 2024, 10:39:57 PMThrowing this in here because it's likely the most politically bent thread but it's sort of a random thought too.
Anyway so I came across a clip of nigel farage earlier and found myself agreeing with him. This of course set the old alarm bells ringing in my head and it got me thinking:
Most people have a favourite between one side and the other in general and not too many of us are political extremists at all i would think, but with all the things we've seen as long as we've been paying any attention to politics; what in the name of God would make any of us support any of the lying bastards? Serious question, and I'm as guilty as anyone of falling for some of it sometimes but how many fucking times are we going to be codded and not just go for all out civil disobedience? Nothing works for anyone anymore and it's all fucked unless some sort of global occupy wall street effort takes off but what will be the final straw if anything?
Also, the term Populism is bandied about as a dirty word but what's wrong with politicians endeavouring to carry out the will of the folks who elected them? I think it has been made out to be a dirty word so that the political cunts can feel superior and be our masters rather than the servants they're actually supposed to be.
This isn't just because of the farage thing either, I just became suddenly disgusted with the whole thing when I went to vote in the local and euro elections lately and I haven't really been able to come back from how sickening it all really is. All of it
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/11/younger-people-more-relaxed-alternatives-democracy-survey (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/11/younger-people-more-relaxed-alternatives-democracy-survey)
Quote...only 57% of respondents aged 18 to 35 felt democracy was preferable to any other form of government, against 71% of those over 56, and 42% of younger people said they were supportive of military rule, against just 20% of older respondents.
Actual democracy is fine even when I don't agree with the results. That is the point of it after all. I have an 18 year old daughter and I use her and her friends as a barometer of how politically clued in they are, and they haven't a notion to the extent that out of at least 20 of them I asked not one was even registered to vote. Neither was I at that age and yknow what it's a great place to be. I'm just utterly disillusioned with the choices on offer between the current crowd and the alternative and it's so bad that I'd nearly just keep what we have rather than what was on offer as the other side. I guess it's the natural order of things that I'll never be able to understand the youngfolk other than to understand that they are young and I am not. Ah well, at least they won't feel the slow creep of the digital surveillance state the way I will. Fuck yknow they might even enjoy being poor lol
That's a fairly fascinating survey, nice share Ruts. Here's the full thing for anyone bored:
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/focus/open-society-barometer
Out of the 30 countries surveyed, under "Percentage of respondents per country who say it is important to them to live in a country that is democratically governed," Russia came significantly last at only 65%, almost a full 10% behind Saudi Arabia in 29th place. Neither countries we'd think of as being de facto democratic, but very interesting implication that it's the Russians who apparently care least of the two about their undemocratic concrete reality.
Degenerating into open savagery in Coolock:
https://x.com/IrishRebel1965/status/1812916459502510187
There was yet another arson attack there earlier today, 12 arrests so far. Once again making themselves look worse than any behavior the wider public have seen from immigrants. Keep it up I suppose!
On the bright side, looks like Philip Dwyer got himself arrested.
https://x.com/DJ_Dermo07/status/1812867532434399730
Looks like he's been watching Mr. Inbetween with the "I don't answer questions" carry on :laugh:.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2024, 07:28:37 PMDegenerating into open savagery in Coolock:
https://x.com/IrishRebel1965/status/1812916459502510187
There was yet another arson attack there earlier today, 12 arrests so far. Once again making themselves look worse than any behavior the wider public have seen from immigrants. Keep it up I suppose!
Useful Idiots are a real phenomenon indeed. Now to half quote John McGuirk from Gript "people in coolock can legally lodge an objection to planning in Donegal" but can say fuck all about this. That is true, as I'll expand upon below:
If one takes the view that it was a
minority of protesters doing the damage, then does it not also hold true that a
majority of peaceful protesters were strongly enough against this proposed migrant centre as to be out protesting about it?
Now tell me: What will be made of the non-violent objections?
Nothing at all is the answer as you well know yourself. They will be quickly swept under the carpet with the help of State-Funded Propaganda Television and State-Funded Print Media masquerading as news. Any whiff of Independence from national media was finally put to bed in 2020 when the only way the media could keep their doors open was through funding received from government bailouts and the money from HSE advertising campaigns (which is also the government for anyone who doesn't know).
So should the protesters simply have went out and peacefully given up protesting once the Gardai came and removed the peaceful encampment that they'd had there for the last 3 months? You seem to suggest that they should and that then they would be paid attention to, or have had their concerns addressed in the national (government-sponsored (fact check that one away)) media the way the reaction of the (accepted to be the) Violent Minority has been?
You seem to suggest there is another way to say the locals don't want a few hundred unemployed migrant men of no particular origin and with potentially no verifiable ID packed into a centre in the middle of their already deprived community. Would you mind telling me what that might look like in your opinion? Should they sing a little song instead maybe?
I think that the locals in Coolock need to be put through some sort of Conversion Therapy until they submit to liking what they are getting in terms of migration. I know it's bad to do that to Homosexuals and stuff but surely it's still okay to do it to everybody else like they must just be behind the times and not educated like the rest of us smart people. They just need to be told they are racists over and over again until they believe it and then they won't bum anyone anymore. Won't we all live in a nice Yellow Submarine then, when we stop the racists from being queers during the migration mad season
No but that's not right because my education made me smarter than them so I can see what's going on and they can't even though I don't live there but I'm clever enough to know that there is definitely under no circumstances ever any possible downside to unfettered immigration of third world men of questionable origin at all and certainly no possibility of developing multiple ethnic criminal groups in the bit of rock we have been calling home and have some odd affiliation to. No, those are racist thoughts and forcing cross dressers back into jeans will soon fix any arguments there
Still waiting for any of these concerned residents to have a single protest outside local gangland criminals houses.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 16, 2024, 12:47:56 AMI think that the locals in Coolock need to be put through some sort of Conversion Therapy until they submit to liking what they are getting in terms of migration. I know it's bad to do that to Homosexuals and stuff but surely it's still okay to do it to everybody else like they must just be behind the times and not educated like the rest of us smart people. They just need to be told they are racists over and over again until they believe it and then they won't bum anyone anymore. Won't we all live in a nice Yellow Submarine then, when we stop the racists from being queers during the migration mad season
No but that's not right because my education made me smarter than them so I can see what's going on and they can't even though I don't live there but I'm clever enough to know that there is definitely under no circumstances ever any possible downside to unfettered immigration of third world men of questionable origin at all and certainly no possibility of developing multiple ethnic criminal groups in the bit of rock we have been calling home and have some odd affiliation to. No, those are racist thoughts and forcing cross dressers back into jeans will soon fix any arguments there
Kevin Coyle, quite well known in the anti-immigration circles, ran for election in Artane-Whitehall, where Coolock is. He didn't get elected. Behind two Soc-Dems, one SF, one FF, one FG, and one openly left-leaning Independent who did get elected. Seems a pretty good proxy for identifying the minority vs the majority of the area. That doesn't mean the minority don't have real gripes. For one thing, half of those arrested seem to be out of work. That signals something to be fixed. Arson and criminal damage to squad cars prob not the way to go there though and, if it needs repeating, none, absolutely none of their vital gripes (no work, cost of living too high, etc.) have anything whatsoever to do with immigration.
Do you think the locals not wanting the IPAS centre will be heeded under any circumstances? I don't. So where does that leave them in terms of making their feelings heard? Nowhere, I would think. I think it will turn out to be utterly pointless whether they are violent or peaceful but is there any avenue they should be going down as a community to make sure their concerns are raised and they aren't simply subjected to the standard garda conversion therapy? This is a serious question as nobody will heed them by the looks of it. Agreeing with the sentiment or not is not the point, just what should they do or must the machine run over their wishes until they like it?
Decent concise summary of the political side of all this here:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2024/july/ireland-s-far-right
QuoteBy shifting the focus of public debate away from the housing crisis and towards immigration – or by presenting the housing crisis as the consequence of immigration, which amounts to the same thing – Ireland's far right has performed a valuable service for the government parties. Sinn Féin did badly at the local and European elections, with a much lower vote share than the party achieved in the 2020 general election. Although there has been no surge in popularity for Fine Gael or Fianna Fáil, the prospect of a Sinn Féin-led government emerging from the next general election is – for now – slipping away.
No ideas about what the locals might do in order to have their concerns addressed outside of the current policy of re-education then? Yeah, no-one has any that I've seen anyway.
Tenacious D are after getting their shit pushed in, right down to the mock apology. Far funnier than their musical sense of humour, ironically. Very much hoist on their own petard, being part of the wokerati and now being cancelled. Maybe people should have taken the centrist road a little more often because now the pendulum is swinging back the other way now and with similar momentum.
If we'd remained centred vs adopting the extremes of classic US identity politics (HE IS LITERALLY HITLER NOW PUSH MY SHIT IN WITH THE WORST EXCESSES OF CORPORATE OPPORTUNISM WHILE I REBEL AGAINST THE STATUS QUO AND DO MY GLOBAL DUTY TO PROP UP THE OBSCENE PROFITS OF MULTINATIONAL CONGLOMERATES WITHOUT A SHRED OF IRONY AND FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF GROWN MEN TO PARADE NAKED AROUND CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY LIKE FRUITY SEX THINGS AND THE NEXT GENERATION NEEDS TO LEARN ABOUT KINKY SEX AS SOON AS THEY CAN OPEN THEIR EYES TO SEE IT AND HE IS LITERALLY HITLER) then the pendulum would be taking more regular and smaller swings and jaysus maybe even some people somewhere would be represented by someone but no of course we can't have nice things
Ah here it is:
One of the best. Now where is my HE IS LITERALLY HITLER when I need it? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
No way :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: there's more and it no doubt definitely happened unlike the shit that gets said about Trump :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Own goals just flying in
Poliviere using the word LITERALLY there against Trudeau in another hoist on one's own petard type situation.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 16, 2024, 11:10:48 PMNo ideas about what the locals might do in order to have their concerns addressed outside of the current policy of re-education then? Yeah, no-one has any that I've seen anyway.
As I've said before, the concerned genuine locals would first do well to completely disassociate themselves from the head the balls who, sooner or later, inevitably bring trouble and disrepute in their wake. There are local elected representatives, they should find out which ones are active in the community and talk to them. Not just about immigration, but about all of their gripes concerning their community. I remain convinced that a majority of the minority of locals who are preoccupied with immigration wouldn't be so concerned if their own quality of life were improved in attainable ways, be that in terms of their own employment, their own housing, services for their own children, community garda presence, etc. The Quinlans, Coyles, Peppers, Blighes, etc., aren't going to be any help concretely improving any community, even if they do manage to keep immigrants out of them.
Like maybe there are representatives in the Coolock area active in promoting:
QuoteInvestment in public services and amenities, including community centres and play areas.
A fair society with affordable housing as a priority.
An inclusive education system with adequate supports and services for the children that need it.
Proper funding to support mental health and assessment of need for our children and young people.
Free universal access to health and education.
or:
QuoteImproving services for those who require care and for those who provide it.
Promoting wider consultation with community groups on matter that are important and impact them.
Creating more safe recreational areas and attractive shared spaces to bring communities together.
Improving pedestrian infrastructure through maintenance of paths, tree management and lighting.
Supporting a stronger sense of identity and belonging within communities by strengthening and growing local community groups.
or:
Quotecampaigning to defend people's living standards and public services in the areas of housing, health, water and public transport, all of which were targeted as part of the austerity agenda that resulted from the bail out of the bankers and developers of 2008.
If I were a local, unhappy with my lot and afraid asylum seekers were going to make it even worse, they'd be the kind of people I'd be looking to talk with first. Not lads who'll make a holy show of my community and hand FF and FG the perfect excuse to brush us back under the carpet.
So tell me, which part of that load of shit non-answer you went to the bother of writing allows the locals to veto an asylum centre in their vicinity?
Yeah, none. At least try to stick to the point, or question in this case. I'll rephrase it:
How do you think that the locals should go about putting a stop to the IPAS centre that they don't want? Forget about background or other gripes and have a go of answering with some words about how you think the locals should go about the business of saying no to this centre they don't want.
You won't because you can't but I'm sure the obfuscation will come thicker and faster again than whatever is that non-answer you just gave there to the very straightforward question I asked.
As far as I know, legally speaking there simply is no such "veto." Someone else can confirm. "We don't want foreign unvetted military aged men moving in here" is certainly a zero legal basis demand. Quinlan's "plantation" and "economic scammer" talk to camera yesterday as a representative of a registered political party, also zero legal basis; utterly vacuous fascist clown scutter. Yes there are potential concrete consequences of a centre being established in a community. Maybe locals will have fears about increased crime risk. In that case, push for improved community policing and, if they want, push on a national level for more stringent deportation laws for those who're convicted of crimes. Maybe people will have fears for local services being over-run, so push for improved community services. And so on. Outside of the blatant racism being whipped up by the Quinlans and Coyles, etc., for soberly identified gripes a community may have they'd be best advised talking to people who are at least vaguely competent as opposed to clowns who have no idea what the laws of their own land are. And long term, of course people can push to radically overhaul the entire legal and political system of the country regarding asylum seeking, etc. But again, even on that, they'd want to be getting much, much, much smarter in how they go about things. As it stands, the majority of Irish people see just as much criminal potential among the protestors and ring-leaders as among the asylum seekers. And that's an absolutely logical conclusion, when they see regular videos of arson, attacks on gardai, and the likes of this doing the rounds on social media:
https://x.com/lil_doza/status/1813316354201522341
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/man-allegedly-had-imitation-handgun-in-shop-burglary/35251491.html
The media jumped on the 6 year old being peppered sprayed calling for Tusla to come in and take the child from the parents for bringing her to a protest. Then when it came out that the child was actually peppered sprayed while standing in her own front garden any of the articles I saw were pulled. Also saw a video of a women in her 60's with cancer who was pepper sprayed while waiting at a bus stop.
The Government as expected doubling down once again and refusing to listen to what people want the country is definitely heading in the direction of civil unrest. But it was nice of Simon and Helen to take time out of their 2 month holiday to make statements to the media.
It's no news that there's scum gardai who love an opportunity to go overboard, and like Democrats discovering conspiracy theories during the week, it's just as funny when leftists all of a sudden talk as if the gardai are saints. Unfortunately unlikely, but it'd be great to see some of them disciplined, especially for that old woman. But where/how was it established that the boy was standing in his own front garden when he was pepper-sprayed? I only saw the video of the mother talking about it in the midst of the protest and she just says "he's over there."
Re that beaut posted about on the last page, this is brilliant!! :laugh:
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2024/07/17/highly-intelligent-man-threatens-to-kill-leader-of-political-party-with-historic-links-to-ira/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 17, 2024, 02:15:45 PMIt's no news that there's scum gardai who love an opportunity to go overboard, and like Democrats discovering conspiracy theories during the week, it's just as funny when leftists all of a sudden talk as if the gardai are saints. Unfortunately unlikely, but it'd be great to see some of them disciplined, especially for that old woman. But where/how was it established that the boy was standing in his own front garden when he was pepper-sprayed? I only saw the video of the mother talking about it in the midst of the protest and she just says "he's over there."
Dead right. There are Scum Gardai and Scum Protesters but I'm still of the belief that most of either cohort are not scum. Think about the Good Protesters and Good Gardai that make up the majority and now think about the events underpinning the reactions of each. I think the same holds true for the majority of migrants but the same does not hold true for the government. They are all bad and indisputably so. Surely that is the one bit of common ground everyone can meet in the middle on.
Also the Garda Commissioner being ex-RUC is unforgivable. That surely can't be in any way contentious either. It's not contentious among the Gardai as was evidenced by the overwhelming vote of no confidence in him not so long ago. It's like the government are taking shit and smearing it in our faces doing a thing like that. Unforgivable. That is not inclusivity, it's actually incitement to violence as evidenced by the RUC-style tactics and catholic-in-NI-style reactions to the very sight of the New Age Black And Tans beating and pepper spraying tolerance into 70 year olds and small children at a protest near you.
This whole IPAS thing - if you follow the money - is the most gruesome possible form of human trafficking based capitalism behind the mere facade of egalitarian socialism that one could possibly imagine. It's beyond disgraceful and tantamount to treason that our own supposed government is in full support of it.
It's as if people have learned nothing since 2020 when it was all laid out in graphic terms in our real lives just how filthy and rotten that the whole system of everything really is.
How come nobody occupies Wall Street anymore? Did it all get fixed then so that movement had no need to exist anymore? I must brush up on what ended it actually I can't remember this minute
Two more arson attacks in the last two days: Crown Paints in Coolock and the old Railway Hotel in Limerick.
Saw the Crown Paints factory one and I can't understand how they'd have gotten past security given how famous the place has suddenly become. Didn't hear about the Limerick one. I condone neither despite being generally sickened by the whole situation
After a protest last night on the Grand Canal that was against the Government evicting refugees from camping there the protesters pulled all of fencing down that has been put up over the last few weeks.
Quote from: mickO))) on July 19, 2024, 03:53:01 PMAfter a protest last night on the Grand Canal that was against the Government evicting refugees from camping there the protesters pulled all of fencing down that has been put up over the last few weeks.
Yeah but pro migrant protesters are not a public order issue even when they clearly are. It's what is known as political policing and the New Black And Tans, led by EX-RUC (good fucking lord that's just the fucking pits) are very much au fait with it and the rest of us clearly need re-education and conversion therapy until we agree with it. Currently the Nationwide Neurolinguistic Programming Initiative through the evening news and the national papers as well as official government correspondence is not doing the trick, but the pepper spray and baton approach currently in operation in tandem with the aforementioned NLP is really starting to see results. Oh wait no, it's making everyone wake up to the human trafficking based sickening capitalism and wealth transfer that is happening under our noses, supported by government, gardai and government funded non governmental organisations but not to worry, some more persuasion should fix all that and get us really liking the fucking sickening carry on.
Folk pulling down temporary fences and folk frequently setting private property on fire don't require the same level of policing. There's nothing political about that. It's common sense. Unless you've taken a serious blow to the head.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 19, 2024, 06:11:11 PMYeah but pro migrant protesters are not a public order issue even when they clearly are.
I read it cost Waterways Ireland over 150k to put the fences up so will be some cost in fixing it and replacing the damaged ones but sure it's all in the name of a good cause so they will of course get a pass.
I suspect that astfgyl has indeed taken some sort of a blow to the head, or is in the midst of a nervous breakdown, or perhaps needs to lay off whatever shit he's clearly taking on a regular basis. Either way, please give it a rest lad. Delete your Instagram, or Facebook, or tiktok or whatever. Go for a fucking walk and clear your head. You'd be surprised at how inconsequential some of this stuff actually is once you filter out the noise.
It cost Waterways Ireland around 150k to clear the tents and put up the fences in the name of health and safety. The legal costs and potential damages incurred against them due to paralyzing a man in the process will prob set them back a lot more than that.
Edit: In the meantime, Crown Paints in Coolock has been set alight again.
https://x.com/HibernoToronto/status/1814369671153434686
The thickest thickos in Thickotown. Is it not being patrolled to avoid this, though.
Equally, the spastics in Limerick burned a building due to be used for students. Great doing their own research involved, clearly.
Does anybody know if planning permission is being applied for for these IPAS centres or has the state found a work around and in doing so denied people the right to object?
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 19, 2024, 09:34:14 PMDoes anybody know if planning permission is being applied for for these IPAS centres or has the state found a work around and in doing so denied people the right to object?
In 2023 the Government changed the legislation so that any facility which is to be used as a migration centre will not need planning permission.
Quote from: mickO))) on July 19, 2024, 09:40:20 PMQuote from: son of the Morrigan on July 19, 2024, 09:34:14 PMDoes anybody know if planning permission is being applied for for these IPAS centres or has the state found a work around and in doing so denied people the right to object?
In 2023 the Government changed the legislation so that any facility which is to be used as a migration centre will not need planning permission.
Thanks Man, I thought as much, what a fucking shower of insidious cunts they truly are.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 19, 2024, 06:27:10 PMFolk pulling down temporary fences and folk frequently setting private property on fire don't require the same level of policing. There's nothing political about that. It's common sense. Unless you've taken a serious blow to the head.
Let's see what would happen if fences were pulled down at migrant centres. You well know how that would go and that's also common sense unless you've taken a blow to the head
Quote from: John Kimble on July 19, 2024, 07:18:34 PMI suspect that astfgyl has indeed taken some sort of a blow to the head, or is in the midst of a nervous breakdown, or perhaps needs to lay off whatever shit he's clearly taking on a regular basis. Either way, please give it a rest lad. Delete your Instagram, or Facebook, or tiktok or whatever. Go for a fucking walk and clear your head. You'd be surprised at how inconsequential some of this stuff actually is once you filter out the noise.
Good man yourself. I would suggest that you turn off your RTE and National Radio and stop reading national newspapers and reading The Journal. But then you'd probably tell me to fuck off with my stupid ad hominem shit that doesn't actually address any of the points that you haven't made with that waste of time of a post.
Do you think I don't leave the house and go to work and pay my taxes like any other cunt does and do you think you have some sort of smarter view than I do because you've learned to enjoy having your shit pushed in before having it smeared in your face by your government
Well give me your view on it then instead of that shite
We have corrupt insane legislators, a corrupt banking system, corrupted education system, broken health system dominated by corrupt private interests, no housing and a corrupt planning system, no proper indigenous manufacturing/processing industry (the IDA are corrupt), corrupt judiciary, corrupt policing service, no national defence (no nation as we don't appear to have borders any more), we are being over-run by illegal aliens sucking up our money and resources, and a brainwashed indigenous population fat and ignorant on a diet of propaganda and state manipulation, but sure its all "inconsequential" and certainly nothing a bracing walk can't sort out.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 19, 2024, 11:31:16 PMWe have corrupt insane legislators, a corrupt banking system, corrupted education system, broken health system dominated by corrupt private interests, no housing and a corrupt planning system, no proper indigenous manufacturing/processing industry (the IDA are corrupt), corrupt judiciary, corrupt policing service, no national defence (no nation as we don't appear to have borders any more), we are being over-run by illegal aliens sucking up our money and resources, and a brainwashed indigenous population fat and ignorant on a diet of propaganda and state manipulation, but sure its all "inconsequential" and certainly nothing a bracing walk can't sort out.
Jaysus lad I'd nearly have to go for a walk after reading that :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
What I would like is for someone to take any of the points you've made and present the counter argument (after a nice walk of course!) so that people with head injuries like myself can learn to accept the conversion therapy like they have. Now nothing will change or anything but with the proper engagement from the government and national broadcasters and newspaper articles calling me the far right then maybe I can simply learn to like the bumming and the shit being smeared in my face due to rampant capitalism of the worst kind imaginable
The only thing I'd find objectionable there is taking refugees, asylum seekers, etc. (who for the most part are just normal people trying to modestly improve their less than modest lot) and seemingly putting them on a par with an almost uniformly corrupt elite who knowingly and gratuitously fuck over the masses to grossly improve their already fattened lot. On the whole, you're going to find way more sound folk in the first group, and that's why personally I'd throw in with them against the establishment. Who are not only responsible for every other money sucking and resource mismanaging gripe you list, but also mismanage the refugee situation itself in terms of both money and resources.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 19, 2024, 11:47:44 PMQuote from: son of the Morrigan on July 19, 2024, 11:31:16 PMWe have corrupt insane legislators, a corrupt banking system, corrupted education system, broken health system dominated by corrupt private interests, no housing and a corrupt planning system, no proper indigenous manufacturing/processing industry (the IDA are corrupt), corrupt judiciary, corrupt policing service, no national defence (no nation as we don't appear to have borders any more), we are being over-run by illegal aliens sucking up our money and resources, and a brainwashed indigenous population fat and ignorant on a diet of propaganda and state manipulation, but sure its all "inconsequential" and certainly nothing a bracing walk can't sort out.
Jaysus lad I'd nearly have to go for a walk after reading that :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
What I would like is for someone to take any of the points you've made and present the counter argument (after a nice walk of course!) so that people with head injuries like myself can learn to accept the conversion therapy like they have. Now nothing will change or anything but with the proper engagement from the government and national broadcasters and newspaper articles calling me the far right then maybe I can simply learn to like the bumming and the shit being smeared in my face due to rampant capitalism of the worst kind imaginable
I feel your pain man, as someone with an acquired brain injury myself (I fell over and hit my noggin when I was a ladeen and ever since when I open my eyes all I can see is reality) it would be very beneficial if someone would tell me what I should be seeing so that I could at least pretend to be retarded.
Ah here I can only wish you the best. It's a long road but I eventually got declared retarded
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 20, 2024, 12:36:31 AMThe only thing I'd find objectionable there is taking refugees, asylum seekers, etc. (who for the most part are just normal people trying to modestly improve their less than modest lot) and seemingly putting them on a par with an almost uniformly corrupt elite who knowingly and gratuitously fuck over the masses to grossly improve their already fattened lot. On the whole, you're going to find way more sound folk in the first group, and that's why personally I'd throw in with them against the establishment. Who are not only responsible for every other money sucking and resource mismanaging gripe you list, but also mismanage the refugee situation itself in terms of both money and resources.
One thing I'd like to get straight is that I do not in any way blame the refugees for coming here. Even the raping and murdering ones. Being realistic if I was a raping murderer from Somalia I couldn't think of a better place to start a new life with a new identity than Ireland.
That is the reality. Do you have any argument against that at all or have we finally achieved pure equilibrium?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 20, 2024, 12:36:31 AMThe only thing I'd find objectionable there is taking refugees, asylum seekers, etc. (who for the most part are just normal people trying to modestly improve their less than modest lot) and seemingly putting them on a par with an almost uniformly corrupt elite who knowingly and gratuitously fuck over the masses to grossly improve their already fattened lot. On the whole, you're going to find way more sound folk in the first group, and that's why personally I'd throw in with them against the establishment. Who are not only responsible for every other money sucking and resource mismanaging gripe you list, but also mismanage the refugee situation itself in terms of both money and resources.
Sure why don't ya Illegally enter Nigeria, tear up your passport, call them racist, demand they accommodate feed and clothe you at their expense and throw in with them over there against their corrupt establishment. What could go wrong? Bring down the Nigerian elite and then the for the most part normal Nigerians won't have to come over here at all and everyone is happy. Problem solved. (just using Nigeria as an example)
Fuck me lad, If you think foreigners dependant on the state are going to join with you to bite the hand that feeds them you're more naive than I thought.
I don't think you understand the scale of this problem and furthermore I have a suspicion that you yourself have no proper sense of national identity
jaysus. Pure getting the popcorn out here after that last line. I have my suspicions that the lad is a Shinner as well which will make it even harder to answer for him if true
Yes, I know it's Gript so take it with a huge pinch of salt but still a fairly bleak video.
Morrigan: I have a robust sense of national identity, it's just not steeped in imported ideas about blood and soil, so you can consider me unruffled by your suppositions.
Gript: Alludes to social deprivation which pre-dates immigration but doesn't detail it, doesn't push for the government to address it. Typical far right, they couldn't give a shit about Irish people from deprived areas beyond how they can be mobilized to their cause.
The (proper) left angle on migration has always been clear: address domestic social deprivation; combat the kind of ravaging global imperialism which gives rise to mass emigration (everyone ready for the 2 million Gazans who've been left with nowhere to live all with the blessing of every major western power?); welcome in a spirit of genuine integration and constructive cooperation those people already on the move.
Centrist "liberals" and the right? Don't address domestic social deprivation; exploit ravaging global imperialism for private gain for the upper crust; pay lip service to welcoming refugees but do absolutely nothing constructive towards integration and cooperation, banking on the far right to mobilize anger generated via social deprivation to turn on the immigrants rather than on the architects.
It's all right there to be seen by anyone who has eyes that can look beyond their own navel.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 20, 2024, 11:19:47 AMMorrigan: I have a robust sense of national identity, it's just not steeped in imported ideas about blood and soil, so you can consider me unruffled by your suppositions.
Gript: Alludes to social deprivation which pre-dates immigration but doesn't detail it, doesn't push for the government to address it. Typical far right, they couldn't give a shit about Irish people from deprived areas beyond how they can be mobilized to their cause.
The (proper) left angle on migration has always been clear: address domestic social deprivation; combat the kind of ravaging global imperialism which gives rise to mass emigration (everyone ready for the 2 million Gazans who've been left with nowhere to live all with the blessing of every major western power?); welcome in a spirit of genuine integration and constructive cooperation those people already on the move.
Centrist "liberals" and the right? Don't address domestic social deprivation; exploit ravaging global imperialism for private gain for the upper crust; pay lip service to welcoming refugees but do absolutely nothing constructive towards integration and cooperation, banking on the far right to mobilize anger generated via social deprivation to turn on the immigrants rather than on the architects.
It's all right there to be seen by anyone who has eyes that can look beyond their own navel.
Sound man. That wasn't meant as an insult by the way, just an observation, right or wrong of it.
It doesn't bother me. I'm a Gaelic revivalist, unified Ireland man through and through: two aspects we see precious little of represented among the majority of the far right heads, especially the ones from Dublin, more and more of whom seem to identify more with ulster loyalists and BNP lads than they do with any Irish speaker whose skin happens to be a shade darker than parchment. Same time, sure enough, plenty of "progressives" who've lost all notion, even abstract, of their roots. Found myself the other day arguing with some mook claiming it revealed a "superficial" sense of national identity when John Mullane, still exuberant with the thrill of a great match, said our Irishness is rooted in the GAA. I left him with plenty to chew on about what Irishness might mean today, if anything, had a passionate group of our ancestors not felt that level of dedication to starting associations like the GAA, Conradh na Gaeilge, agus araile. Would we even be an independent country at all today??
Cowboys Ted, they're a bunch of cowboys!
Sure we're pretty much cut from the same cloth so lad.
I'm a died in the wool nationalist and unified Ireland man too. I want to see the end of partition and a one nation island controlled by the Irish, for the Irish.
My worry is that if the island is flooded with foreigners and our culture diluted and bastardised by outside influence, what Ireland is there left to unite.
A nation may be defined by its borders but it is sustained and nurtured by its people.
Integration is a myth, if anyone from anywhere can be Irish, no one is Irish.
I see the riots in Leeds have finally stopped.
Immigration has always been and still is far from the greatest contributor to cultural dilution in Ireland. As a young teenager, I had to make a pointed independent effort in order to make sure I properly learned my own language. That should never have been the case for any Irish person post Independence. And we're talking 1993, so sweet fuck all to do with immigration. I convinced my mother to let me switch school to a Gaelscoil in Bray. In my class were three kids of African descent, busing to Bray from all over Wicklow, because their parents had decided they wanted their children to embrace and be as much a part of Irish culture as possible. Do I see those former peers as more Irish, as truer comrades in enriching Irish culture back from dilution, than some "nationalist" without a focal beyond "leithreas"? Damn right I do.
If that were the way things were right now it would be grand and very few if any would have problems but the current situation is completely different.
Protesting has been going on in Dundrum because they are planning on putting 550 new arrivals into the Dundrum house hotel when the local population is currently 221. Then of those 550 each person will be entitled to apply under the family reunification act to bring over 6 more family members meaning the migrant population down there could reach 3300 in no time. No engagement from the Government or the American hotel owner on this according to the locals.
The hotel currently has 270 Ukrainians that the locals apparently welcomed last year as this was only suppose to be a temporary thing. They are all being evicted to make way for the new arrivals.
I think foreign lads can be integrated quite successfully but not in the sheer numbers we are seeing. The situation as we have it is driven by greed and profit rather than any humanitarian cause and the refugees welcome crowd are simply useful idiots in that particular game even though I do believe most at ground level are well meaning. The bigger picture is that the Irish are leaving in their droves and being replaced with african and middle eastern folk. The ukrainians actually seem to be in the minority when it comes to the new faces in town which I don't think most folk foresaw at all. I think kids of foreign nationals can be Irish even if the parents aren't but giving a lad an Irish passport does not make them Irish, it just makes them an Irish citizen which is not the same thing. My Nigerian pal at work never claims to be Irish and refers to Nigeria as "my country" when we chat about it even though she has the passport but her kids are born here and act Irish and nobody thinks anything of that, it's regular integration.
Regarding colonialism in third world countries, well I don't think the Irish have much of the blame for any of that so should not have to suffer the consequences of it now. Let lads apply to come here in defined numbers and the whole thing is fixed overnight. Indians coming here are a great example of making it work IMO, they are running businesses and taking out mortgages and paying serious tax and contributing a lot more than many of the Irish themselves. Contrast that with the Roma gypsies begging in every doorway in the cities and we can see that they are not net contributors no matter how it's dressed up. The overall message of foreigners out etc does not take into account that a lot of them are the solid finest and won't be filling up prison places or making life hard for gardai but the movement is still growing because of the forced nature of the installations.
I'm getting more traditional myself the more I see the national identity being diluted, which is likely an age thing as much as anything else but I feel everyone I meet is shifting a little to the right these days and the cause of that needs to be addressed as much as anything else
Re Dundrum, the hotel is currently the local prostitution hub (I know a couple of lads who go there for a bit) and there has been one murder there too. Anyone unfamiliar with Dundrum should drive through it at least once and see why this simply will not work out for the best if the current plans are to go ahead. It's simply not viable and should not be legal either
Quote from: mickO))) on July 20, 2024, 03:31:20 PMIf that were the way things were right now it would be grand and very few if any would have problems but the current situation is completely different.
Protesting has been going on in Dundrum because they are planning on putting 550 new arrivals into the Dundrum house hotel when the local population is currently 221. Then of those 550 each person will be entitled to apply under the family reunification act to bring over 6 more family members meaning the migrant population down there could reach 3300 in no time. No engagement from the Government or the American hotel owner on this according to the locals.
The hotel currently has 270 Ukrainians that the locals apparently welcomed last year as this was only suppose to be a temporary thing. They are all being evicted to make way for the new arrivals.
I know yeah, I follow it all closely. Though it's 255 not 550 and the 3300 number is extreme propagandist fantasy (you seriously need to start questioning whatever your sources on this stuff are - they seem to be systematically incorrect, and always in one direction):
https://gript.ie/dundrum-locals-being-treated-with-utter-contempt-on-asylum-centre-says-td/
But what's one of the things the locals were hoping for and are going to be let down about again? Reinvigoration of local community services and re-establishment of local business. All of this absolutely has to be attended to; these are communities that were left to die long ago and, for the umpteenth time, it suits FFG down to the fucking ground that more noise is coming now about refugees than was ever made about the actual business of community reconstruction. Why? Because it gets them away with the "utter contempt" (as the headline there accurately puts it) they absolutely do hold the locals in.
Yeah the higher number is certainly exaggerated but you're right about that community being left to rot long before any of this. I don't live too far from there and regularly pass through it and it has a pure symbol of suburban decay right slap bang as the centrepiece of the village for the last couple of decades in the old hotel and nightclub there. Tbh a lot of the damage was done to these places when the motorways were built and you can see it all over the country in similar sized towns. 2008 crash also saw decentralisation half abandoned when it was designed to address some of these issues. I think the shit needs to be tightened out of the immigration here until a lot of things are set in the right direction and then we would see less resistance altogether when we opened it up again
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 20, 2024, 03:48:31 PMI know yeah, I follow it all closely. Though it's 255 not 550 and the 3300 number is extreme propagandist fantasy (you seriously need to start questioning whatever your sources on this stuff are - they seem to be systematically incorrect, and always in one direction):
https://gript.ie/dundrum-locals-being-treated-with-utter-contempt-on-asylum-centre-says-td/
But what's one of the things the locals were hoping for and are going to be let down about again? Reinvigoration of local community services and re-establishment of local business. All of this absolutely has to be attended to; these are communities that were left to die long ago and, for the umpteenth time, it suits FFG down to the fucking ground that more noise is coming now about refugees than was ever made about the actual business of community reconstruction. Why? Because it gets them away with the "utter contempt" (as the headline there accurately puts it) they absolutely do hold the locals in.
It is 550 beds and with what these hotel owners are being paid by the Government do you really think they won't do whatever it takes to fill those beds? Under family reunification each person is entitled to bring over 6 family members so 3300 is hardly an 'extreme propagandist fantasy' it's very possible that the numbers will grow to this.
As for my sources going in one direction thanks because coming from you that really made me laugh.
Tell you what, the day there are 3300 refugees somehow accommodated in Dundrum, Tipperary I'll give you a hundred quid.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 20, 2024, 03:48:31 PMQuote from: mickO))) on July 20, 2024, 03:31:20 PMIf that were the way things were right now it would be grand and very few if any would have problems but the current situation is completely different.
Protesting has been going on in Dundrum because they are planning on putting 550 new arrivals into the Dundrum house hotel when the local population is currently 221. Then of those 550 each person will be entitled to apply under the family reunification act to bring over 6 more family members meaning the migrant population down there could reach 3300 in no time. No engagement from the Government or the American hotel owner on this according to the locals.
The hotel currently has 270 Ukrainians that the locals apparently welcomed last year as this was only suppose to be a temporary thing. They are all being evicted to make way for the new arrivals.
I know yeah, I follow it all closely. Though it's 255 not 550 and the 3300 number is extreme propagandist fantasy (you seriously need to start questioning whatever your sources on this stuff are - they seem to be systematically incorrect, and always in one direction):
https://gript.ie/dundrum-locals-being-treated-with-utter-contempt-on-asylum-centre-says-td/
But what's one of the things the locals were hoping for and are going to be let down about again? Reinvigoration of local community services and re-establishment of local business. All of this absolutely has to be attended to; these are communities that were left to die long ago and, for the umpteenth time, it suits FFG down to the fucking ground that more noise is coming now about refugees than was ever made about the actual business of community reconstruction. Why? Because it gets them away with the "utter contempt" (as the headline there accurately puts it) they absolutely do hold the locals in.
Didn't I say he was a Shinner....
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I am not the only one who notices that the option to not have them is not an option.
Where in that statement does Mary Lou say that it can be stopped at all? Nowhere.
There is no opposition to this. Read the statement.
You must be re-educated but you cannot refuse it.
SF's greatest negative point is that they lack integrity, but yeah I agree with a lot of their
stated goals, sure.
About being able to refuse the housing of people in a given community, there are certainly concrete legal considerations there and, as I said, I don't personally know what legal recourse there is in established law for such refusal:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 17, 2024, 08:58:29 AMAs far as I know, legally speaking there simply is no such "veto." Someone else can confirm. "We don't want foreign unvetted military aged men moving in here" is certainly a zero legal basis demand.
Is the head of SF going to propose changing the law to facilitate communities refusing to allow refugees be housed in or beside their communities? No. Even if they themselves thought that would be an improvement to the law, it would be suicide in terms of electoral support. Because don't forget that, in terms of real numbers, all the "concerned locals" combined are still not a majority. So then:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 17, 2024, 08:58:29 AMlong term, of course people can push to radically overhaul the entire legal and political system of the country regarding asylum seeking, etc. But again, even on that, they'd want to be getting much, much, much smarter in how they go about things.
SF's whole schtick is just what ML pushes in that letter: investment in community services, resources, amenities. Up until they stupidly (in terms of electoral support) wavered on the issue, their strategy had been to embrace immigration and instrumentalize it as increased leverage for just that kind of investment in both social services and housing. That is a potentially effective means for concerned locals to actually end up with improved community services they themselves will also benefit from. If, on the other hand, concerned locals primarily want no asylum seekers living near them, more than they want improved services, etc., then they can keep on marching in step with the far right head the balls who merely discredit them. And while they protest and clamour and inevitably end up discrediting themselves over that, FFG won't budge on anything, certainly not serious investment in community services, since those actions make the ultimate cause
seem to be racism. My belief would be that, as with most crime also, the majority cause is the social deprivation itself. Have FFG ever done anything about social deprivation to reduce crime? No. Will they do anything about social deprivation to reduce resentment over refugees and asylum seekers? Also no. Are their ultimate reasons for inaction on social deprivation in both scenarios the same? Yes.
Yet another fire in Coolock. Is the area not being policed? Obviously not.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 21, 2024, 03:12:44 AMSF's greatest negative point is that they lack integrity, but yeah I agree with a lot of their stated goals, sure.
About being able to refuse the housing of people in a given community, there are certainly concrete legal considerations there and, as I said, I don't personally know what legal recourse there is in established law for such refusal:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 17, 2024, 08:58:29 AMAs far as I know, legally speaking there simply is no such "veto." Someone else can confirm. "We don't want foreign unvetted military aged men moving in here" is certainly a zero legal basis demand.
Is the head of SF going to propose changing the law to facilitate communities refusing to allow refugees be housed in or beside their communities? No. Even if they themselves thought that would be an improvement to the law, it would be suicide in terms of electoral support. Because don't forget that, in terms of real numbers, all the "concerned locals" combined are still not a majority. So then:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 17, 2024, 08:58:29 AMlong term, of course people can push to radically overhaul the entire legal and political system of the country regarding asylum seeking, etc. But again, even on that, they'd want to be getting much, much, much smarter in how they go about things.
SF's whole schtick is just what ML pushes in that letter: investment in community services, resources, amenities. Up until they stupidly (in terms of electoral support) wavered on the issue, their strategy had been to embrace immigration and instrumentalize it as increased leverage for just that kind of investment in both social services and housing. That is a potentially effective means for concerned locals to actually end up with improved community services they themselves will also benefit from. If, on the other hand, concerned locals primarily want no asylum seekers living near them, more than they want improved services, etc., then they can keep on marching in step with the far right head the balls who merely discredit them. And while they protest and clamour and inevitably end up discrediting themselves over that, FFG won't budge on anything, certainly not serious investment in community services, since those actions make the ultimate cause seem to be racism. My belief would be that, as with most crime also, the majority cause is the social deprivation itself. Have FFG ever done anything about social deprivation to reduce crime? No. Will they do anything about social deprivation to reduce resentment over refugees and asylum seekers? Also no. Are their ultimate reasons for inaction on social deprivation in both scenarios the same? Yes.
That's what planning permission is for man, to give people the right to object to proposed developments which may negatively affect them or their community. this by any standard is a de facto veto, should enough people object on reasonable grounds.
As pointed out a few pages ago, last year our corrupt legislators gave themselves the right to bypass planning for IPAS centres and in doing so denied people the right to legally object to such developments, which quiet frankly is a fucking disgusting move and massive governmental over-reach.
So when they say "people don't have a veto" its because their right to veto has been taken from them.
Its a fucking disgrace.
There was an entire new planning bill introduced last year, very controversial, with environmentalists, SF & Soc-Dem & PBP TDs, and many others railing against it. I don't know the nitty gritty of how that new bill specifically impacts transforming already existent buildings into emergency IPAS accommodation (as is the case for Dundrum, Tipp. and Coolock), or even the construction of temporary pre-fab or marquee style accommodation. What I've gathered is that the new bill was widely perceived by its critics as something conceived to make things easier for housing developers and that this was supposedly off the back of refusal of planning permission for a development in Greystones which, afaik, was nothing to do with IPAS (https://www.ontheditch.com/unpublished-attorney-general-advice-housing-minister/).
Like I've said several times now, I don't know the nitty gritty of it, so if someone has a properly sourced run down of how the new bill impacts IPAS accommodation specifically, great, let's have a look. Meantime, do I think it's more likely that FFG drafted a new bill to favour developers in general than to favour asylum seekers specifically? Yes. Do I think planning permission is good and that communities should have a say in any permanent physical transformation of their communities? Yes (although, being from Greystones myself and me ma still living there, I've seen up close and personal my fair share of community reservations being utterly ignored and developers who are cronies with local politicians getting their way to permanently deface the landscape regardless, which again was nothing to do with IPAS). It's always been a battle and potentially successful sensible strategies need as much support as possible. "Get them out!", etc., is not only about the furthest from sensible strategy you can imagine but it also pulls support away from potentially successful ones. Perfect for FFG. Perfect. Just perfect. It just really cannot be stressed enough how perfect it is for FFG that popular support get pissed against the IrelandIsFull wall.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 21, 2024, 02:22:38 PMThere was an entire new planning bill introduced last year, very controversial, with environmentalists, SF & Soc-Dem & PBP TDs, and many others railing against it. I don't know the nitty gritty of how that new bill specifically impacts transforming already existent buildings into emergency IPAS accommodation (as is the case for Dundrum, Tipp. and Coolock), or even the construction of temporary pre-fab or marquee style accommodation. What I've gathered is that the new bill was widely perceived by its critics as something conceived to make things easier for housing developers and that this was supposedly off the back of refusal of planning permission for a development in Greystones which, afaik, was nothing to do with IPAS (https://www.ontheditch.com/unpublished-attorney-general-advice-housing-minister/).
Like I've said several times now, I don't know the nitty gritty of it, so if someone has a properly sourced run down of how the new bill impacts IPAS accommodation specifically, great, let's have a look. Meantime, do I think it's more likely that FFG drafted a new bill to favour developers in general than to favour asylum seekers specifically? Yes. Do I think planning permission is good and that communities should have a say in any permanent physical transformation of their communities? Yes (although, being from Greystones myself and me ma still living there, I've seen up close and personal my fair share of community reservations being utterly ignored and developers who are cronies with local politicians getting their way to permanently deface the landscape regardless, which again was nothing to do with IPAS). It's always been a battle and potentially successful sensible strategies need as much support as possible. "Get them out!", etc., is not only about the furthest from sensible strategy you can imagine but it also pulls support away from potentially successful ones. Perfect for FFG. Perfect. Just perfect. It just really cannot be stressed enough how perfect it is for FFG that popular support get pissed against the IrelandIsFull wall.
I agree with your general assessment there man, it does suit them perfectly.
Like yourself I haven't read the legislation yet and I'm loath to talk about something I haven't verified but I'd imagine its typical of the many birds with one stone legislation that appears to be acceptable these days, in that it benefits both private developers, the private companies running the centres and government policy, at our expense.
Kevin Coyle not being too bright by apparently trespassing on the Crown Paints property, but if ye want to see the extent of the fire damage here it is. Four fires in four days in the end.
https://x.com/KajDbc32/status/1814960075317928112
That didn't last long.
Joey Barton getting charged for saying mean things about a couple of crap commentators. :laugh:
Barton also had to pay Jeremy Vine £75,000 recently because he called him a "bike nonce" on twitter and a judge decided it was defamatory.
Quote"The charges relate to reports of alleged malicious communications online, between Monday 1 January and Thursday 18 January."- Cheshire Police
One of the tweets by Barton said "How is she even talking about men's football? She can't even kick a ball properly. Your coverage of the game EFC last night, took it to a new low. Eni Aluko and Lucy Ward, the Fred and Rose West of football commentary."
Aluko claims some of the tweets which compared her to Stalin and Fred and Rose West were 'one of the worst cases of social media abuse I've ever experienced.'
I won't be laughing at this because it isn't the right thing to do. I shall suppress the urge.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTLM2kJWUAANp3i?format=png&name=medium)
This some of the calming and soothing techniques broadcast on national radio about the protesters in Coolock.
Also, Mary Lou hasn't a clue. The Coolock lads are going to embolden many, whether one agrees with them or not.
The rhetoric on the radio will also only serve to embolden those it demonises, whether one agrees with it or not.
The words are from a journalist from the Indo, Paul Williams, on the Pat Kenny Show... if anyone else is wondering as I was.
What did ML say?
Paul Williams is an absolute asshat and always has been. He has utter disdain for the working class. The rhetoric has really ramped up. Sure the KKK are mentoring the far right :laugh:
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/07/24/former-ku-klux-klan-grand-dragon-is-mentoring-irish-far-right-extremists/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=HP-SubDesc
I knew the government/MSM/gardai would double down....not a good look with the public order unit making Coolock look like Derry from 40 years ago. We've seen them be extremely heavy handed against elderly protestors who pose zero threat and I've seen numerous videos of clear assaults from Gardai that definitely should be pursued. Plenty of those riot squad look like they want a crack a head and too happy to do so and some with English accents makes you wonder wtf are they playing at. The optics are all wrong and it's escalating the issues on the ground, not solving them.
Yet with all this huge garda presence, the most guarded building in the country has been torched how many times now the past week? Doesn't make sense. I do not condone the arson or any violent behaviour obviously. But the reaction by the state will only lead us down a much worse path. And to politicians, how many people does it take to say no that they would stop this? Democratic vote is needed in my opinion to quell this.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 23, 2024, 09:30:21 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTLM2kJWUAANp3i?format=png&name=medium)
While he's a sensationalist writer and comes across very similar to Michael O'Leary, all of what he's said there is accurate from what I've seen. But in his discussion with Pat Kenny, it's much more balanced and lays most of the blame on the government.
Quote from: The Butcher on July 24, 2024, 10:35:53 AMThe optics are all wrong and it's escalating the issues on the ground, not solving them.
The optics are all wrong
if the intent is
other than escalating the issues on the ground rather than solving them, since imo the only workable and, above all, available solutions are those proposed by the opposition. In that perspective, it remains in FFG's best interests, unless they wish to capitulate to said opposition, to do everything they can to push the protestors to continue amplifying their anti-immigrant rhetoric and subsequent criminal activities. Things like this in Dundalk yesterday, again, great for how FFG evidently want to handle it all. The majority of Irish people, directly or via media, are witnessing more criminal activity from protestors than they ever have from immigrants. Playing their role so, so well, and apparently none of the far right wannabe politicians can see this well enough to call a halt.
https://x.com/IrishRebel1965/status/1815806543209619496
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 24, 2024, 11:42:47 AMQuote from: astfgyl on July 23, 2024, 09:30:21 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTLM2kJWUAANp3i?format=png&name=medium)
While he's a sensationalist writer and comes across very similar to Michael O'Leary, all of what he's said there is accurate from what I've seen. But in his discussion with Pat Kenny, it's much more balanced and lays most of the blame on the government.
I agree about the accuracy of those comments applying to a certain cohort among the protestors I mean how are they able to be there anyway other than not being at work for a start? Otherwise though I still think the rhetoric will embolden many who may have been undecided about whether to turn sour or not because they will feel they are being tarred with the same brush.
The real issue in a lot of these places as I see it is that they keep getting offered engagement and dialogue but only with the predetermined outcome of still having to accept it no matter what. Yes, we will talk to you but you have no way to submit objections because we've circumvented the planning laws with the intention of lining our friends' pockets and you will simply have to learn to like it no matter what sort of talking we do with you. Of course, if any place gets to say no then all hell will break loose everywhere else so I can see why the government can't allow it too.
At the end of the day though, if it's a demographic issue due to falling birth rates and inability to fill the pension pot, then someone needs to come out and say it and put an end to the mad theories but of course that will never happen
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 24, 2024, 11:57:49 AMQuote from: The Butcher on July 24, 2024, 10:35:53 AMThe optics are all wrong and it's escalating the issues on the ground, not solving them.
The optics are all wrong if the intent is other than escalating the issues on the ground rather than solving them, since imo the only workable and, above all, available solutions are those proposed by the opposition. In that perspective, it remains in FFG's best interests, unless they wish to capitulate to said opposition, to do everything they can to push the protestors to continue amplifying their anti-immigrant rhetoric and subsequent criminal activities. Things like this in Dundalk yesterday, again, great for how FFG evidently want to handle it all. The majority of Irish people, directly or via media, are witnessing more criminal activity from protestors than they ever have from immigrants. Playing their role so, so well, and apparently none of the far right wannabe politicians can see this well enough to call a halt.
https://x.com/IrishRebel1965/status/1815806543209619496
Far right wannabes aside, I would not be in any way surprised if there were a few paid agitators here and there to get the desired result of quelling the rebellion but I'd never be able to prove that so I guess it's idle speculation at best
I would be surprised: it's not necessary to subvert a movement via paid agitators in a situation where the leaders of that movement are endlessly agitating its members/followers/taggers-along themselves. For example, I just popped over to Patrick Quinlan's twitter page there to see what I could see from last couple of days, and there's this tweet he RT'd from McGregor only yesterday:
QuoteMass invasion of a country is an act of war.
https://x.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1815771181896597893
He's started a label with Bone Thugs n Harmony as a signing. Wild and interesting.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 24, 2024, 02:11:47 PMI would be surprised: it's not necessary to subvert a movement via paid agitators in a situation where the leaders of that movement are endlessly agitating its members/followers/taggers-along themselves. For example, I just popped over to Patrick Quinlan's twitter page there to see what I could see from last couple of days, and there's this tweet he RT'd from McGregor only yesterday:
QuoteMass invasion of a country is an act of war.
https://x.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1815771181896597893
Well mass invasion of a country probably is an act of war, but who is invading? I think they should be focusing on the treason aspect of things rather than the supposed invaders, although the 1937 act should also put paid to those accusations as defined in Irish law. I mean like what, are Somalia sending troops to Ireland or something? Well obviously not but are the Irish government deliberately working for their own interests rather than the interests of the state itself? Well one could say yes but then that has been the norm for many decades and also doesn't constitute treason, oddly enough.
The point was about agitation and violence. There is so much observable agitating from the leaders that tbh looking anywhere else for explanations for the violence and arson, etc., could seem more like denialism about the far right actually being a movement (albeit small) in Ireland, a movement with identifiable leaders who demonstrably and willfully agitate their followers. The far right are talking about invasions and plantations because they want people turned against immigrants rather than against the government. Sure, they want them against the government too, but more than anything they want them against foreigners.
The kite flying for the Far Right began long before these protests got going on the island. In fact if you look around european press about the rise of the far right you might almost get the impression that suddenly the press were thinking that a lot of people were suddenly going to start swinging that way from the centre or even left leaning positions. Now why would that kite be flown, I wonder? Could it be that government-sponsored press outlets all over europe were running pre-emptive cover for what their governments were about to do?
Anyway none of that matters now because the RTE story should see all the Coolock stuff disappear into the aether of buried news stories. It will be left to a few eejits on the twitter to earn their dole money by trying to keep it going but as we all know, once the news cycle moves on it is well and truly over and becomes as a half-forgotten dream or nightmare. See Covid being replacedby Ukraine as a prime example and Gaza replacing Ukraine as the same so I guess it's hard luck little far right boys and back on the gear for you all now for your kicks
Also, how come Migrant Rights Protesters aren't campaigning against the lads being housed in the asbestos-ridden old Crown Paints factory? Also it's sort of funny that the plantation is going into the Crown factory, given our history.
I've had a bit of a thought around an element of the current issues in Coolock: So I read rumours that there are some PSNI officers drafted into the area to help mop up The Troubles there. Now, I am not saying there is any truth in that because let's be fair we all know 90% or maybe more of all things that are said are bullshit and provably so from all sides of all arguments.
But it got me thinking: If it did turn out to be true, how would you lads here feel about that?
Would it be justified in efforts to protect Nigerian and Georgian (for example. I'm picking the largest groups outside of Ukrainians, who are obviously immune to any contempt whatsoever even if they were already living in other European countries and even in the likes of Canada but come here for the better deal to the first safe country they entered) men from the wrath of the Filthy Irish Shitehawk Contingent (of whom the consensus about among us educated folk has long since been galvanised), to accept Crown Forces policing in the republic on behalf of foreign interests(just when it's something us educated folk share consensus on)?
OR
Is it another tentative step on the road towards an All-Ireland approach to national sovereignty and as such should be welcomed, given that it might lead us to the promised land after all this time?
Now I'm going to say that didn't happen (even though there is a clear legal instrument allowing that to happen), but if it did, what would any of ye lads think of having Crown Forces expand their influence on Irish soil beyond the 6 counties that were left behind after the war?
https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1815915866137190881
This lad sounds rather unhappy but I think he isn't alone. I drove through Dublin a couple of weeks ago at about that time and I couldn't believe the place. It was like a ghost town and I went all the way through town from the Old Ballymun Road to John's road and I only saw one person on the street. Funnily enough I had the window down and the single person I saw said Howya in the window to me. It was actually that dead about the place. I used to live there back in the day and the difference is stark indeed. But the difference in a town in Tipp like where I am is just as stark.
I must come back to this tomorrow because I can lay out a few reasons why it's like this but for once I just can't be arsed this minute
Well, won't be following that account :laugh: In fairness, he admits later on in the video, in the middle of his tedious morass of a political rant, that he's in the "best part of the city" and it's a Tuesday night outside of term time well after normal midweek closing hours. Plenty of well-to-do areas of London and Paris that are honestly just that dead late at night midweek, to answer his question about "what other capital city?"
But geographically skewed lens aside, do folk who live there or go there often find Dublin's deader at night compared to, say, 20 years ago? Must put the question to my couple of mates who still session as much as they did 20 years ago :laugh:
I'm no fan of that lad at all but even a stopped clock and all that. It's not the migrants though he's wrong about that. It's the exact same here where I am, town of about 10k in Tipp. 20 years ago after the two nightclubs closed, the square would be full of people on a Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday and you'd be half an hour trying to get to the counter of one of the many takeaways for the Bad Burgertm, but now half of the pubs are gone, there's one nightclub with about 20 stragglers, all the taxis are gone and the takeaways don't bother staying open after hours.
It wasn't the antisocial element, and it wasn't immigrants. It's just a plain fact that the towns are now dead. A lot of it is that the Irish between 20 and 35 are gone to Canada Australia and The Middle East and they are the folks who would have been out on those nights. Then there's the crash of 08 and then the covid era and even though we have plenty of population between 20 and 35, they don't go to the pub. The eastern europeans don't go, the islam lads don't go and the africans don't go and the price of pints is fucking cat so now the irish lads don't go either.
It's not like he's making out - that the streets are no-go because of immigrants or any of that, although the immigration has played its' part as I explained. What he describes there though about how dead it is, is everywhere.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 25, 2024, 12:22:19 AMBut geographically skewed lens aside, do folk who live there or go there often find Dublin's deader at night compared to, say, 20 years ago? Must put the question to my couple of mates who still session as much as they did 20 years ago :laugh:
It's definitely deader. I very rarely head into town for pints now, but when I do there's nowhere near as much buzz around the place. Used to be the more popular places ye'd be crammed in, if you could even make it through the door, now you can find a spot wherever you like
Probably a few reasons, price is gone mental, even for cheaper pubs you're still looking at €7.50 a pint. Decades of shit city planning strangling any life or culture out of the place and replacing it with hotels. And the lack of any sort of garda presence and rise of junkies and scrotes makes the whole place somewhere worth avoiding really
Quote from: astfgyl on July 25, 2024, 08:47:41 AMI'm no fan of that lad at all but even a stopped clock and all that. It's not the migrants though he's wrong about that. It's the exact same here where I am, town of about 10k in Tipp. 20 years ago after the two nightclubs closed, the square would be full of people on a Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday and you'd be half an hour trying to get to the counter of one of the many takeaways for the Bad Burgertm, but now half of the pubs are gone, there's one nightclub with about 20 stragglers, all the taxis are gone and the takeaways don't bother staying open after hours.
It wasn't the antisocial element, and it wasn't immigrants. It's just a plain fact that the towns are now dead. A lot of it is that the Irish between 20 and 35 are gone to Canada Australia and The Middle East and they are the folks who would have been out on those nights. Then there's the crash of 08 and then the covid era and even though we have plenty of population between 20 and 35, they don't go to the pub. The eastern europeans don't go, the islam lads don't go and the africans don't go and the price of pints is fucking cat so now the irish lads don't go either.
Good point that. The missus is from Enniscorthy, the one late bar closed down last year, si there's nowhere to get a pint past midnight. Not that it really matters since there's only one taxi in the place, not one company, but one single taxi
For a town of 25k people that's fucking crazy
Cheers Trev.
Rural/suburban town evolutions are always different to proper cities, so much so that I'm not sure they can really be compared. Like the one late bar/club in Greystones closed down years and years ago and that instantly changed the entire night life landscape of the town. Same way that one factory or industry shutting down can sometimes kill an entire rural community. But when the nightlife atmosphere of an entire major city shifts, there's definitely something deeper going on.
From what you've said about Dublin, plus that video (plus what my last standing party-life mates said :laugh: ) it sounds like things have progressively gotten more expensive than ever while simultaneously, on the security side of things (the city feeling rough, unsafe, etc.) it's regressed to something closer to where it was in the 80s. The opposed symptoms of an ever-widening social divide? Seems like that should be a focus! :D
Also, to go back to yer man's video, this is why I find it particularly frustrating when people mix everything all up together, so at the end it's just mud instead of a set of clearly analyzable conditions. Like the EU is highly criticizable, von der Leyen especially, but they've got nothing to do with, for example, Dublin's exorbitant housing prices or drinks prices or any of that.
Towns and cities are dead because young people don't socialise the way we used to. Pubs are an outdated and expensive option when you could be communicating online and spending the saved beer money on your appearance to in turn make you look better online.
The volume of younger people happy to not leave the house is staggering. They don't want the hassle, aren't interested in driving/being independent/having their own place but oddly also don't like being told what to do. They are able to get off their tits at home for a fiver with some cheaper illegal substances. Many prefer to live stream stuff as opposed to actually going out too.
A funny thing is though that in the 90s we drank so much we had a problem, and now that the pubs are empty it's also a problem.
The main reason pubs are empty is because people are fed up at being ripped off. What went on during the pandemic with the payments from the Government etc., asking people for vaccine certs to enter and the whole €10 for a soggy piece of beard thing rubbed a lot of people the wrong way then ever since things got back to normal the prices just keep going up and up.
Where I live Friday and Saturday nights would be packed then you would get decent crowds out on Thursday and Sunday. Now the nightclubs don't even open on Thursday or Sunday anymore. Most Saturdays are now what Thursdays were pre-pandemic. Pubs have been shooting themselves in the foot being too greedy and it is coming back to bite them in the ass now.
If they ever get around to bringing in this 6am thing that has been talked about for years now that might bring some new life back into things but they have missed the opportunity again this year as something like this should be brought in just as summer begins with the good weather and students being off for 3 months.
Price of pints is why the pubs are fucked. My local back home in castlebar has Guinness for a fiver and gets a great crowd. Guinness is fucking awesome there as well (the cobweb if you're ever in castlebar)
All of the things said in the last few posts there are true. It's sad to see in a way but I rarely go out other than to someone's house myself these days either.
We also can't ignore the effect that the construction of the motorways has had on the towns that would have been on the National Primary Roads but are now unfortunately on the road to nowhere so that means closure of small local businesses of all sorts due to no passing through customers like there used to be.
The government was actually going to attempt to address this back in the mid 2000s with the decentralisation plan that was much talked about in the civil service back when I used to be in it, but the minute the crash happened, all that was stopped before it really got going, which is why you have odd government departments in nowhere places for no particular reason but back then it was a real plan to spread the wealth and opportunities around the country. A very much missed opportunity which we can probably than the bould Troika for, given that they insisted on cutting the shit out of things for the taxpayers but allowing the tax-spenders to still be little fucking rich bollixes after nearly ruining us all.
Then the Hitler Huts (Lidl and Aldi) got the foot in the door and fucking stamped the final jackboot into the faces of the little independent shops at the exact time it was all falling to shit, and lo and behold there were all the mortgage holders in negative equity channelling their pittance into multinationals instead of back into local economies, because they could no longer afford the extra few pence in the difference of shopping local and aiding any actual recovery of the suddenly smashed to pieces local economies. It was every man and woman for themselves and their own at that stage when the very roof over their heads was being threatened.
Then came the initial Great Wealth Transfer of the 21st Century, when the likes of NAMA bought up all of the bad debt properties from the small to medium sized developers who suddenly found that their credit lines had suddenly dried up and instantly folded, lucky to get away with anything other than bankruptcy. And what did NAMA then do with all those properties? Well of course they sold them to developers and vulture funds who were big enough to not have died in the crash, thus feeding the hungry multinational wolves some more and further squashing local enterprise under the thumb of International funding.
Well that was just the 2008 crash, and the recovery from that hadn't actually got going in earnest and here we fucking go - Covid. 44 Billion unaccountably spent and nothing to the taxpayer except some free vaccines that the pharma companies got paid for, thus facilitating the 2nd Great Wealth Transfer of the 21st Century, which I can't be arsed with this minute but needless to say you will all have that one fresh in the mind.
Now we have empty streets where once-thriving communities and cities have had the life literally fucking strangled out of them and we can all stay in our houses, ready for the digital-prison future.
Happy Days!!!
Re Ollkiller's price of pint thing, I still think a fiver is way too much for a single pint of beer, but you're right that is massive in terms of the pub footfall. Overall though, the towns in general are not thriving. Of course the knobs keep making it more expensive instead of getting more spent by making it cheaper the greedy shites too as if it isn't tough enough. You'd swear the thick cunts never played a game of Sim City....
Similar to astfgyl above: town of around 8,000, add another few thousand for the catchment area. I can remember 27 pubs in the place, now there's 12 if you include the 2 hotels. Had 3 nightclubs, all closed now bar 1 that opens for the odd kiddie disco or bank holiday. Motorway bypassed the town about 15 years back, most of the big employers have closed (factories and a sizeable psychiatric hospital that employed a couple of thousand plus). Nobody's got money and, while the pubs kept the prices low for as long as they could, they couldn't absorb the prices hikes forever - pint of Guinness is €5.30 in most places, lager +50c, fuck knows what cider is now.
Add to that, the pubs that are still standing are mainly family owned & run, so no crippling mortgages or leases on top of their overheads, but they're pubs for oul' lads, nowhere for the young crowd to go really. Taxis are down in number, the one 'firm' that's left hiked their prices as they're the only game in town. Fuck them. And the same story with the chippers, most close at 10 or 11 even on the weekend.
It's a dead town with limited resources and infrastructure - so where better to dump 60 Ukrainian familes when there's no employment, no school places, no doctor availability, no facilities in general? Didn't need planning permission for those modular homes either.
Imagine what would happen at 3 quid a pint
Quote from: astfgyl on July 26, 2024, 02:11:49 AMImagine what would happen at 3 quid a pint
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Just something to consider with alcohol prices for a business, for a 3 euro pint, you have to give the taxman about 40% of that 3 euro (53 cent plus 23% VAT = 1.22 (approximately 40%). For a 5 euro pint it works out at 33% (1.68). The fixed duty per pint really does fuck the margins for a publican.
if you look across Europe, it's much more on the retail side of things that we're shafted in Ireland:
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Water cannons on the way into Dublin should offend a few lads
Quote from: ochoill on July 26, 2024, 08:35:42 AMQuote from: astfgyl on July 26, 2024, 02:11:49 AMImagine what would happen at 3 quid a pint
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It's not even that long since we could drink pints of Tuborg for 3 quid each :'(
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What happens after 31/12/24? Are they all expected to be housed by then? Seriously, what's the plan to house all of these lads in the next 5 months?
Here are the official statistics as of 21/7/24:
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Someone tell me how any of this is in any way realistic
This is fairly grim too. Women and children first, lads!!
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Slava Ukraini!!!! 14th in the list
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Because I'd never heard of Eswatini, I said I'd see how safe it is...
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It turned out to be old Swaziland. Once the AIDS capital of the world as it happens. How is Ireland doing on the HIV/AIDS front the last few years actually? I wonder if it has increased at all....
https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2023/01/06/hiv-rates-double-post-pandemic/
Ah yeah, nothing doing on that front.........
Ah y'know what, lets get back to ridiculous and pointless offence
https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/other/constable-s-the-hay-wain-to-be-presented-as-contested-landscape/ar-BB1qzdXo?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Can tell you that the Front National brigade are absolument losing their perpetually offended shit tonight over the Olympics opening ceremony.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 27, 2024, 12:11:03 AMCan tell you that the Front National brigade are absolument losing their perpetually offended shit tonight over the Olympics opening ceremony.
My nephew has reliably informed me that Goirja where part of the ceremony, maybe that upset them!
No, there was the predictable man in a dress singing and prancing around. I was looking at a bit of it earlier, and I was fairly bored watching the teams float past and then the bearded lady started miming which urged me to find something more worthwhile to watch. River Cottage it was 8)
It was shite and it went on for four bloody hours. I saw the last hour or so in the pub and was bored out of my skull.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 27, 2024, 12:11:03 AMCan tell you that the Front National brigade are absolument losing their perpetually offended shit tonight over the Olympics opening ceremony.
Dunno about the French lads but the Irish equivalent certainly are! :laugh: Saw the clip of the lad with the beard but it's hardly shocking at this stage. All anyone has to do is not watch it anyway instead of getting their knickers in a twist about it. And if the viewing figures were down for the advertisers it would make a lot more of an impression than lads generating hype by giving out about it on the internet.
Personally I think the sexual degeneracy thing has been done to death so it's just boring, but then again I can't think of any opening ceremony to any Olympics or World Cup or anything else that was anything other than a complete snoozefest, whether it was old school stuff or the new gender bending lark.
Had I know Gojira were involved I might have looked up that bit but even at that probably not
Yeah, it'd be better if the commentators would shut the fuck up.
Thinking the same like, wtf. >:(
I saw it live and thankfully the rte lads didn't talk at all during it. Setting was pretty epic alright and gojira sounded great.
The blue bearded guy is a cult comedy music celebrity in France. A few things in the show like that which prob didn't translate so well. In Morocco (and prob elsewhere) they just broadcast a photo of the Louvre for those and a couple other parts :laugh: Maybe the Front National should move there haha
TBH that stuff wouldn't bother me like the lad in the dress with the beard and all that, sure we had Shirley Temple Bar long before this stuff was fashionable and exactly nobody gave the slightest fuck but it's a bit disingenuous that they did that with the Morocco thing. It's like "We support you but not in Islam countries". Often laugh about this with the queer brother, how it's just as sickeningly corporate as absolutely everything else but to be fair to him he's also happy enough to tip along and get a few rides at the parade as well, sponsored by Heineken or Lockheed Martin or whoever else doesn't care about anything other than astronomical profits made on human misery. I guess in that way it really is inclusive the more I think about it in that these corporations hold us all in equal disdain!
Quote from: astfgyl on July 27, 2024, 02:04:46 PMQuote from: Carnage on July 27, 2024, 01:38:04 PM
That is a bit cool to be fair.
Related: https://x.com/misswuuuu/status/1817641809818124436?t=G9VKdOvfXqlAJtLvPrMqpQ&s=19
Gave me a good laugh but maybe I'm easily amused
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Riots in Southport now over those kids that were stabbed yesterday. A third child died today.
Yeah, it's proper taken off. Wonder if they'll regret their decision of last week to defend a copper's right to stamp heads!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 30, 2024, 10:24:20 PMYeah, it's proper taken off. Wonder if they'll regret their decision of last week to defend a copper's right to stamp heads!
While in that case it was well deserved, you still can't have that because it will be used where undeserved as soon as we accept it. Then again, if a child stabber happened to end up gutted like a fish before the police got to him then I don't think anyone would decry mob justice either.
What a tightrope
To be clear, I don't think the cops should have the right to use any force beyond the strictly necessary for risk elimination. On anyone.
From tightropes to rollercoasters though, here's an emotional one :laugh:
https://x.com/tim_brannigan/status/1818392714406511075
:laugh: Oh that's gold.
Fucking mongos :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 30, 2024, 10:58:49 PMTo be clear, I don't think the cops should have the right to use any force beyond the strictly necessary for risk elimination. On anyone.
From tightropes to rollercoasters though, here's an emotional one :laugh:
https://x.com/tim_brannigan/status/1818392714406511075
Sweet Jesus lol :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The little macarena shuffle before getting lamped, gold :laugh:
Regarding the Algerian boxer in the Olympics...it's mad to see the speed conservative conspiracy theories spread nowadays. People's ability to critically think about what they're reading has well and truly gone to shit. I reckon right wingers have easily taken over the mantle of 'perpetually offended' too.
Also fairly insane considering there is a literal child rapist competing for the Netherlands.
Aye, well said on all counts.
J. K. Rowling needs to be banned from public life. If people want to make noise about stricter and more transparent testing and criteria over testosterone levels, chromosomes, DSD, whatever the fuck, then fine. But to individually target someone who was raised from birth as a girl (all the more so in a country in which it is by far preferable both to have and be a male) and then lived their entire adult life as a woman, by not only repeatedly calling them a man but accusing them of taking male pleasure from inflicting pain on women (!), fucking hell. Her and Linehan and Musk and their tens of thousands of followers... are they "perpetually offended"? I guess so, but seemingly above all in service of being repulsive bullies.
The whole thing falls down anyway when you realise that the losing fighter only complained after they were beaten. If they wanted to make a point they should have refused to get in the ring. No point saying it after because if the result was reversed there'd have been no complaint so it's all moot
Quote from: ldj on August 01, 2024, 08:04:36 PMRegarding the Algerian boxer in the Olympics...it's mad to see the speed conservative conspiracy theories spread nowadays. People's ability to critically think about what they're reading has well and truly gone to shit. I reckon right wingers have easily taken over the mantle of 'perpetually offended' too.
Also fairly insane considering there is a literal child rapist competing for the Netherlands.
what 'conservative conspiracy' is being spread? All I've seen is people saying it shouldn't have been allowed to happen which it shouldn't. Its a male vs a woman no matter what way you frame it.
Have you seen his cock?
Quote from: helmsa on August 02, 2024, 08:02:10 AMQuote from: ldj on August 01, 2024, 08:04:36 PMRegarding the Algerian boxer in the Olympics...it's mad to see the speed conservative conspiracy theories spread nowadays. People's ability to critically think about what they're reading has well and truly gone to shit. I reckon right wingers have easily taken over the mantle of 'perpetually offended' too.
Also fairly insane considering there is a literal child rapist competing for the Netherlands.
what 'conservative conspiracy' is being spread? All I've seen is people saying it shouldn't have been allowed to happen which it shouldn't. Its a male vs a woman no matter what way you frame it.
Except for if you have to frame it within the bounds of reality.
Fucking mass hysteria bullshit. Can't even imagine being her at the moment.
Does anyone know what the failed test consisted of?
Please enlighten me as to what the reality is then? He was found to have male chromosomes it's a male vs a woman what is hard about this to understand?
Have you seen the cock?
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 02, 2024, 08:07:16 AMHave you seen his cock?
"Her" cock you white ciss fucker >:(
You learn something new every day:
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/ (https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/)
Quote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2024, 08:29:14 AMDoes anyone know what the failed test consisted of?
No, the results were never published.
Quote from: helmsa on August 02, 2024, 08:59:19 AMPlease enlighten me as to what the reality is then? He was found to have male chromosomes it's a male vs a woman what is hard about this to understand?
Well from doing minimal research she has DSD. She was born with female genitalia, apparently has her time of the month like other women but people born with DSD can have elevated levels of testosterone. Born and raised a woman as well. Apparently the male chromosome or elevated levels (it's a bit confusing) only come to light during puberty.
The amount of hate directed at her in the last 24 hours is crazy. Especially saying she's trans. Which is not the case at all.
Is it the equivalent then of a swimmer being born with webbed feet?
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on August 02, 2024, 08:20:48 AMCan't even imagine being her at the moment.
Ah, empathy! So broadly lacking at the moment, seems like half the world is on the spectrum. The asshole end of the spectrum.
If your asshole was on the spectrum would it wipe itself?
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 02, 2024, 09:38:22 AMQuote from: helmsa on August 02, 2024, 08:59:19 AMPlease enlighten me as to what the reality is then? He was found to have male chromosomes it's a male vs a woman what is hard about this to understand?
Well from doing minimal research she has DSD. She was born with female genitalia, apparently has her time of the month like other women but people born with DSD can have elevated levels of testosterone. Born and raised a woman as well. Apparently the male chromosome or elevated levels (it's a bit confusing) only come to light during puberty.
The amount of hate directed at her in the last 24 hours is crazy. Especially saying she's trans. Which is not the case at all.
It's almost as if you're saying she's not a criminal after all and there are nuances which seem to be being wilfully and deliberately overlooked so people can get a dig in. Amazing.
May the gods bless Amy Broadhurst (one of two Irish boxers to have previously defeated Khelif) for defending her anyway. Think a good way to settle all this would be to oblige Carini to fight every woman who has ever beaten Khelif and see how many of them she can beat.
Maybe we can all learn to get along after all
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o
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Quote from: Anvil on August 02, 2024, 04:04:05 PMA read a few posts on Twitter
That was your first mistake.
I still think trans athletes have an unfair advantage but this one does appear to have a fair bit more nuance to it than that, and brings us back to that question that nobody can answer: what is a woman?
The test used remains undisclosed but I would love to see how it was defined by it.
Hermaphrodites are a very grey area imo but I still think there's no point in the opponent cribbing
If there aren't any cocks, let them box. If you can't find a gee, no medal for thee.
This whole thing has been depressing, seeing the likes of Rowling hop onto it and, even when proven wrong, seeming to just double down.
I've no informed opinions in trend athletes because I'm neither trans nor an athlete, but stuff like DSD I find comfusing in the sporting context. How can you try to regulate that? Do basketball players get disqualified for being too tall? Swimmers with unnaturally long arms? Madness.
If she has a technical (as yet unmanifested) advantage because of her raised t levels, then.. tough? At least it's not something she can control. It would be way worse if she was deliberately training for years in an effort to unfairly steal an advantage over a less well prepared athlete.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 02, 2024, 06:02:31 PMIf there aren't any cocks, let them box. If you can't find a gee, no medal for thee.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Well played
Quote from: boozegeune on August 02, 2024, 06:06:59 PMThis whole thing has been depressing, seeing the likes of Rowling hop onto it and, even when proven wrong, seeming to just double down.
I've no informed opinions in trend athletes because I'm neither trans nor an athlete, but stuff like DSD I find comfusing in the sporting context. How can you try to regulate that? Do basketball players get disqualified for being too tall? Swimmers with unnaturally long arms? Madness.
If she has a technical (as yet unmanifested) advantage because of her raised t levels, then.. tough? At least it's not something she can control. It would be way worse if she was deliberately training for years in an effort to unfairly steal an advantage over a less well prepared athlete.
That's absolutely fair, hence the swimmer with webbed feet comment I made a couple back.
The part I'm curious about is what test was used to determine eligibility, given that the IBA said it definitely wasn't testosterone. Did they just feel her up and she had balls or something? OK maybe in bad taste but I'm honestly wondering what it was and why the secrecy around it?
It's crazy how so many have done a complete 180 on Kremlev, and are now ignoring the fact he's a corrupt as fuck Russian gangster, who almost managed to get boxing removed form the Olympics a few years ago.
Given the decisions against O'Rourke and Moorehouse, it's a shame it wasn't pulled.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 02, 2024, 06:24:21 PMThe part I'm curious about is what test was used to determine eligibility
They may have done a karyotype test which may have shown presence of XY chromosomes and possessing XY chromosomes may be a disqualifying criterion for the IBA. But it's not for the IOC. And for good reason. There's quite a few studies out there on this kind of stuff, not all specific to athletes, but this one is and turned out to be quite prophetic:
"Natural Selection for Genetic Variants in Sport: The Role of Y Chromosome Genes in Elite Female Athletes with 46,XY DSD"
QuoteThere is no convincing evidence to support the view that hyperandrogenism is associated with performance advantage in female athletes. Current time-consuming regulations may lead to the unwelcome resurgence of innuendo in the media and coercion of female athletes into accepting gonadectomy and other treatments to which they might otherwise not have been subjected. These regulations should be withdrawn on the grounds that they are not supported scientifically, are discriminatory towards women and place some female athletes at risk of unnecessary and potentially harmful investigations.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-014-0249-8
All that said, the debate is still somewhat open about the question of physical advantage from such conditions. But no one has been able to point to Khelif having any kind of obvious advantage. Harrington beat her "comfortably" (according to RTE in 2021), and Broadhurst beat her 5 rounds to 0 in 2022, without either of them ever mentioning her hitting them harder than they'd ever been hit or any such thing as Carini moaned about. Tbh I can't imagine Harrington admitting such a thing about any opponent though :laugh:
There's presumably still an entire heated discussion on here somewhere, maybe in this thread, about all this stuff from a few years back, in the context of when the whole trans- and intersex, etc., question started getting major conservative media attention.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on August 02, 2024, 07:07:25 PMIt's crazy how so many have done a complete 180 on Kremlev, and are now ignoring the fact he's a corrupt as fuck Russian gangster, who almost managed to get boxing removed form the Olympics a few years ago.
Yeah, here's a run down of the "this entire thing could just be down to Russians being sore losers" angle:
https://x.com/Babble____/status/1819400350572364126
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 02, 2024, 07:20:00 PMThere's presumably still an entire heated discussion on here somewhere, maybe in this thread, about all this stuff from a few years back, in the context of when the whole trans- and intersex, etc., question started getting major conservative media attention.
I'd say a lot of discussion in this thread was me saying trans athletes were unfair due to obvious physical reasons but being born a certain way, the same rules can't be simply transposed. From the initial reaction to this, I'd thought it was someone who'd transitioned but any bit of reading past the screeching headlines said different and so it's not the same discussion at all really. The point about the right becoming the screeching mass is absolutely fair in this case
That Kremlev fella talking sodomites and devilry:
https://x.com/umarkremlev/status/1818633618371076546
Edit: Seems all that info came from a fake account!
Musk and his fucking fucking up of the verified account system strikes again.
Seems Rowling hasn't even noticed she has tanked her entire argument for the past 5+ years by admitting she thinks someone can in fact be a different gender to their genitals.
The world is fucked, you have Irish 'patriots' rioting with loyalists up north, seems there is a large portion of society right now desperate to take our their life's problems on anyone a bit different to them.
Loser mentality.
Race riots in the UK are getting fairly insane too:
https://x.com/SeanleebrownUK/status/1819786079790059564
It's cuntish when the scum left do it and it's cuntish when the scum right do it. Off with their fucking empty heads.
Agreed. That's why every time the scum left engage in Kristalnacht-level abuse and violence of certain groups of people based on some kind of physical attribute whose nature they have no control over, I always say it's cuntish.
Of course Chris comes to the rescue to save the cuntish lefties. It's the same thing if you smash up someone else's business in the name of a dumb fuck cause, whether it's BLACK LIVES MATTER DEFUND THE POLICE spastication, or DARKIES OUT spastication. Sadly because you are so blinkered by your own ideology you refuse to recognise the similarities.
Quote from: ldj on August 04, 2024, 12:07:08 AMThe world is fucked, you have Irish 'patriots' rioting with loyalists up north, seems there is a large portion of society right now desperate to take our their life's problems on anyone a bit different to them.
Just fucking bizarre. A few weeks ago those loyalists were burning the Irish flag on their bonfires, and now they are proudly waving their union flags beside them shouting foreigners out...
Quote from: ldj on August 04, 2024, 12:07:08 AMSeems Rowling hasn't even noticed she has tanked her entire argument for the past 5+ years by admitting she thinks someone can in fact be a different gender to their genitals.
Agreed. She messed up here big time.
That Starmer lad sure knows how to inflame a situation the fucking eejit.
The two tier policing accusations are not without foundation either.
And the upshot of it all will be a ratcheting up of the surveillance state rather than solving anything. Was the same here when the lads kicked off in Dublin, no talk of fixing anything but plenty of talk of hate speech legislation. No condemnation of the George Floyd shite or of obvious hate speech from Islam lads but lots for the local racists. The blame for all of this lies squarely at the feet of the governments and they will not miss the opportunity to use it to further an agenda they already had in mind: Digital ID.
Handicaps in government brings the handicaps to the streets.
Heard Tony Blair on the radio openly say the endgame is digital IDs.
Steamer clearly taking sides and condemning one group while making as little noise as possible about 'our precious Muslim community' is, as you say, petrol on the fire.
The video of the cops fleeing wholesale from whatever was happening in Sheffield is clear evidence of two tier policing. They have been told in no uncertain terms who they can bosh about the head with truncheons and who they can't. Arresting an autistic girl for telling a short haired WPC she looked like her lesbian gran, etc.
Possibly the fastest ever attainment of most hated government ever. How long are they in, a month?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 04, 2024, 04:32:38 AMSadly because you are so blinkered by your own ideology you refuse to recognise the similarities.
A brick through a window is a brick through a window. A burnt out shop is a burnt out shop. Obvious similarities. Tens of thousands of people across an entire nation frightened for their own safety and that of their families simply because they're not white and the violence occurring
isn't randomized anarchic chaos but is pointedly targeting non-white individuals, businesses, places of worship: it's true, I don't see an equivalent of that in the context of "left" riots, and maybe that is down to me being ideologically blinkered.
It's all about control. Wherever you riot, whoever you target, it sends out a message to wider society that nobody is safe. It's intimidation tactics. The right are scum when they employ fear tactics, as are the left. We can nitpick about the details, we can take sides and defend shite bag action from "our side" by placing that behavior in a wider context. That's fine, You're entitled to do that. But it's pulling the wool over your own eyes to pretend that ultimately it's not all aiming at the same goal. Power and control. Wrap it in a Palestinian flag or a rainbow flag or a union flag, or even a tri-colour, it all smells like shit to me.
If you join a group, fall in line with their herd mentality, conclude that your cause is the most worthy cause going and feel entitled to employ whatever means to achieve your goals, including violence, including employing the exact same tactics that you criticize your ideological enemies for using, then what is the difference between you and your enemy? From a perspective outside of both camps, either side looks more or less identical. Ie. Like a bunch of gimps.
https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1270711803597615111?t=313YOUN0ISvolyUGrr6aLA&s=19
This fella predicted it fairly well in this tweet from 2020. I'm 90 percent sure I predicted the same in this very thread.
The far right and far left should all be rounded up and fucked into a giant meat grinder. A giant meat grinder of love...
Haven't they already tried that in Brighton and San Francisco?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 01:53:50 PMHeard Tony Blair on the radio openly say the endgame is digital IDs.
Steamer clearly taking sides and condemning one group while making as little noise as possible about 'our precious Muslim community' is, as you say, petrol on the fire.
The video of the cops fleeing wholesale from whatever was happening in Sheffield is clear evidence of two tier policing. They have been told in no uncertain terms who they can bosh about the head with truncheons and who they can't. Arresting an autistic girl for telling a short haired WPC she looked like her lesbian gran, etc.
Possibly the fastest ever attainment of most hated government ever. How long are they in, a month?
Oh those accusations of two tier are very much backed up. "Don't upset the Muslims, lads. Yes even if they are all tooled up heading out for violence, still don't. Focus on the white lads"
The 'both sides bad' argument is bollocks, by that logic gay people are just as bad because they didn't want to be subjected to forced conversion therapy, criminalisation and general cuntiness, black people are just as bad because they didn't want to be slaves, and Palestinian babies? Sure they should stop crying, their complaining makes them just as bad as the country dropping bombs on them.
The centrist point of view will always make excuses for the far right.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 04, 2024, 02:26:39 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 01:53:50 PMHeard Tony Blair on the radio openly say the endgame is digital IDs.
Steamer clearly taking sides and condemning one group while making as little noise as possible about 'our precious Muslim community' is, as you say, petrol on the fire.
The video of the cops fleeing wholesale from whatever was happening in Sheffield is clear evidence of two tier policing. They have been told in no uncertain terms who they can bosh about the head with truncheons and who they can't. Arresting an autistic girl for telling a short haired WPC she looked like her lesbian gran, etc.
Possibly the fastest ever attainment of most hated government ever. How long are they in, a month?
Oh those accusations of two tier are very much backed up. "Don't upset the Muslims, lads. Yes even if they are all tooled up heading out for violence, still don't. Focus on the white lads"
Certainly two-tiered here in Ireland, what did Harris call it, a 'hands-off' approach to the the far right so they can travel up and down the country doing what they like?
I'm not making excuses for either side. I think all of those issues in and of themselves have validity to varying degrees but I think that bricking in windows, burning property, looting, rioting etc isn't the way to solve them. I think that people allow their own sense of righteousness blind them to their own poor behavior.
Mobs of white men are targeting lone individuals, beating, stabbing, pulling out of cars, in most cases simply for the crime of not being white. Are we seriously suggesting above that the police are going too hard on the poor white lads involved??
https://x.com/broseph_stalin/status/1819804483595239489
https://x.com/PokiRae_/status/1818769052577546421
https://x.com/africagoldagen2/status/1819871756447776950 (keep watching this one til you see your supposed "two-tiered" policing in action)
Not all asylum seekers/immigrants are non-white.
Why racialise it? You know fine well that there is more to it than that. Wouldn't your argument be negated if a few non caucasians were caught on video tearing up the place?
This amorphous blob of non-white (presumably you are the racist and subscribe to the not one drop doctrine) mickey loving, allah sucking victimhood really has you by the plums, doesn't it?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 03:55:08 PMNot all asylum seekers/immigrants are non-white.
Excellent point Kev, thank you for that very important clarification. And if the violent xenophobic mobs run out of visually identifiable "foreigners" to target, maybe they'll quieten their shrieks and bellows down enough to start identifying additional targets by accent.
Sikhs and skinheads, all the lads thegither.
Still less bizarre than the homos for Palestine boys.
I personally know Palestinians who are less homophobic than some of the people who post on this forum. Go figure.
Why don't you pull the big rainbow flag hanging out your window up and head over there once things calm down and see what happens :)
I'd as soon take my chances wandering through the deserted burnt wastelands of Gaza with a rainbow flag than rocking into the locals of any of those EDL heads with one. And while in the former case my nationality would be an enormous boon if I did encounter any hassle, in the latter case... not so sure.
https://x.com/jald19/status/1811665021455450548
That's a grease down and shiatsu compared to what Polish and English fans got in 2012 from marauding Russian boys at the euros. And I'm a Celtic fan.
Mouthy cunts everywhere, he wouldn't have been so smart if it were a beefcake like me standing in front of him in the hoops, beleeee dat.
Anyway, back in the real world...
Huge mob attacks, storms into, then sets fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing asylum seekers in Rotherham (as in, there are human beings inside it), then block the fire exits, pushing police back in the process. Going too hard on them, yeah? They need to send in the fucking army.
https://x.com/lucymarionbrown/status/1820080898290729322
https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1820092513559912648
https://x.com/I_amMukhtar/status/1820092049460494815
https://x.com/MattHopeNotHate/status/1820090134995304799
(Tried to put these together in what seems chronological order, may not be accurate though.)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 04, 2024, 04:55:19 PMAnyway, back in the real world...
Huge mob attacks, storms into, then sets fire to a Holiday Inn Express housing asylum seekers in Rotherham (as in, there are human beings inside it), then block the fire exits, pushing police back in the process. Going too hard on them, yeah? They need to send in the fucking army.
https://x.com/lucymarionbrown/status/1820080898290729322
https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1820092513559912648
https://x.com/I_amMukhtar/status/1820092049460494815
https://x.com/MattHopeNotHate/status/1820090134995304799
(Tried to put these together in what seems chronological order, may not be accurate though.)
Most of these cunts aren't politically minded in the least. They are simple scumbags who will latch on to any excuse to cause mayhem. The exact same cunts largely responsible for the damage during the riots in Dublin in November. The exact same dickheads who looted that Lidl in Tallaght. You are correct, the army should indeed be brought in. The guards haven't gone anywhere close to the heavy-handidness that is required. The right wing are perfectly entitled to have and air their grievances. These other cunts need absolutely 17 shades of fuckery knocked out of them.
Tommy Robinson (and presumably others) is posting in live time across social media inciting further violence.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 04, 2024, 03:03:04 PMMobs of white men are targeting lone individuals, beating, stabbing, pulling out of cars, in most cases simply for the crime of not being white. Are we seriously suggesting above that the police are going too hard on the poor white lads involved??
https://x.com/broseph_stalin/status/1819804483595239489
https://x.com/PokiRae_/status/1818769052577546421
https://x.com/africagoldagen2/status/1819871756447776950 (keep watching this one til you see your supposed "two-tiered" policing in action)
No I'm not suggesting they are going too hard on them. I'm saying they approached the Muslims rioting in Leeds a lot differently - hence the two tiered policing accusations. If lads are rioting anywhere and it's the job of the police to beat the fuck out of them then it should be applied equally. It's really not that difficult a concept to wrap one's head around.
And no, I don't condone any of it but it was inevitable and predictable that people would kick off eventually
Also, I don't remember a word of condemnation from you over the blm riots. Looks like you have a two tier sense of morality as well
Very easy concept to wrap one's head around. But also a concept which evidently doesn't correspond to reality, since the police are being far softer on these race rioters than they should be, which is what you're saying was also the case in Leeds, right?
Dunno lads, Irish scrotes waving tricolours in unison with Loyalist scrotes, towards a common hatred of them damn immigrants. Could this be the common ground towards a united Ireland?!
They haven't been going soft on them at all from what I've seen. And given what they're doing, that's fair enough. Contrast that with the likes of starmer bending the knee for blm and the soft approach in Leeds and it's easy to see why it only further galvanised the likes of Tommy Robinson supporters.
The outcome of this will actually suit the government anyway.
The Belfast thing is pretty nuts tbh
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 04, 2024, 03:03:04 PMMobs of white men are targeting lone individuals, beating, stabbing, pulling out of cars, in most cases simply for the crime of not being white. Are we seriously suggesting above that the police are going too hard on the poor white lads involved??
https://x.com/broseph_stalin/status/1819804483595239489
https://x.com/PokiRae_/status/1818769052577546421
https://x.com/africagoldagen2/status/1819871756447776950 (keep watching this one til you see your supposed "two-tiered" policing in action)
https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1820152888624386451?t=unAfvQPorVLRTeqazWKKTQ&s=19
https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1820166450532790381?t=SY70AyzRbrGwMbssBILWTA&s=19
Those pesky white fuckers at it again.
There are many videos like this. What has starmer to say about it? Fuck all is what
Given the level of public disturbance and threat to public health in Leeds, the police response was weak.
Given the level of public disturbance and threat to public health in around twenty cities around the UK at the moment, the police response has been weak (see much video evidence above and elsewhere of police being either absent or essentially watching on, even as a mob pushes them back while torching an occupied hotel in full police view).
That's not two-tiered policing. That's universally weak policing. Swallowing and spreading "the concept" that there is two-tier policing is swallowing and spreading a far right-convenient mistruth that the establishment favors "them" over "us" and so "we" need to take justice into "our own hands." What we're seeing today is in part the result of that mentality. But yeah, of course the overall outcome will suit Starmer's neo-Labour, who are quite possibly an even less labour class supporting party than Blair's was. Keep the rabble scrapping amongst themselves, white, brown, whatever, makes no difference to them.
Where is the condemnation for what the Muslims are doing though? It's even two tiered condemnation at this stage when both groups are out breaking each other up. Starmer says they'll protect mosques and punish the far right thugs but nothing of the Muslims out with machetes and batons...
This latest wave of unleashed hate started with a mosque being attacked over a horrific triple murder presumed to have been committed by a Muslim, in the backdrop of which Farage was "just asking questions" about whether something was being hidden on purpose, while his less "savvy" mates were flat out stating it was a Muslim immigrant. Then it turned out the lad was actually from a Christian family. And here's you now still going on about what "the Muslims" are up to. It's no coincidence that you both constantly downplay the existence of a real far right and deafen dogs for miles around blasting on the whistle of far right talking points.
27 have been arrested so far over the Leeds incident in July, 90 so far for the incidents in all other cities around the UK. That 90 will need to go up to around 400 to 500 before you can justifiably speak about "two-tiered" policing. Let's see!
Not to mention that the Muslims are 94-0 up in murder over the 'far right' in the UK since 2005. Seems odd that you'd prioritise the fourth Reich fighting men (or who Chris, David Lammy and every other left wing activist wishes they, in reality, were) over holy allah warriors who have bombed, stabbed, hacked and beaten scores of innocent people to death in religiously motivated assassinations.
Even you obviously know that there have been racially motivated murders and attempted murders of Muslims (and other non-Muslim non-white people) in the UK, some of them pretty horrific. There were two just last year that come to mind, where elderly men were doused in petrol and set alight after having been followed leaving their mosque. I don't feel any need to deny religiously motivated attacks committed by Muslims (or anyone else); it's somewhat telling about your concern for reality that you apparently do feel the need to deny violence in the other direction.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 04, 2024, 08:53:56 PMThis latest wave of unleashed hate started with a mosque being attacked over a horrific triple murder presumed to have been committed by a Muslim, in the backdrop of which Farage was "just asking questions" about whether something was being hidden on purpose, while his less "savvy" mates were flat out stating it was a Muslim immigrant. Then it turned out the lad was actually from a Christian family. And here's you now still going on about what "the Muslims" are up to. It's no coincidence that you both constantly downplay the existence of a real far right and deafen dogs for miles around blasting on the whistle of far right talking points.
27 have been arrested so far over the Leeds incident in July, 90 so far for the incidents in all other cities around the UK. That 90 will need to go up to around 400 to 500 before you can justifiably speak about "two-tiered" policing. Let's see!
Have you seen any of the videos of the Muslim lads flogging people or do those not come up in your feed?
So the mosque thing was wrong, that's fair enough but I hadn't even heard that bit with farage or the rest. I thought it was a general anti asylum seeker protest that turned sour tbh.
And what far right talking points am I giving here? None at all. In fact I'm in this very thread warning that this would happen. Many times, in fact. And I didn't come at it from any far right angle either, it was just obvious that it would end up like this because of the actions or inactions of governments when it came to the asylum question.
Once the definition of far right became so wide as to catch half a country in the net, it was never going to go well.
Do you know if any of the arrests you're tallying there are for Muslims flogging white lads at all? Because there's plenty of evidence that they are doing that as much as the white lads are flogging Muslims or any other colour lads
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 04, 2024, 09:20:09 PMEven you obviously know that there have been racially motivated murders and attempted murders of Muslims (and other non-Muslim non-white people) in the UK, some of them pretty horrific. There were two just last year that come to mind, where elderly men were doused in petrol and set alight after having been followed leaving their mosque. I don't feel any need to deny religiously motivated attacks committed by Muslims (or anyone else); it's somewhat telling about your concern for reality that you apparently do feel the need to deny violence in the other direction.
Being Muslim is a choice. It hardly counts as racially motivated. It's the behaviour of people belonging to this group which generates negativity. You'll notice far less hostility towards Sikhs or Hindus, groups which in general shy away from violent behaviour, honour killings, grooming gangs etc.
Why do you continue to correlate the right and racist violence? Politically motivated murder by the 'far right' is nil in the last 19 years in the UK. You've brought up racist violence, presumably from white people, as if they are one and the same. Ill reasoned and sloppy, I'm afraid.
Perfectly fine with talking about "the Muslims" like they were one homogeneously violent group, throws up his arms about conflating xenophobic violence with a political faction in part defined by their hostile xenophobic rhetoric. Same old Kev!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 08:55:14 PMthe Muslims are 94-0 up in murder over the 'far right'
astfgyl: if you're talking about literal "flogging," then no, I haven't seen what you're referring to.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, I agree.
But all terrorists are Muslims.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 10:44:48 PMNot all Muslims are terrorists, I agree.
But all terrorists are Muslims.
You are about as ignorant as a bag of dogshit
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 04, 2024, 10:31:18 PMPerfectly fine with talking about "the Muslims" like they were one homogeneously violent group, throws up his arms about conflating xenophobic violence with a political faction in part defined by their hostile xenophobic rhetoric. Same old Kev!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 08:55:14 PMthe Muslims are 94-0 up in murder over the 'far right'
astfgyl: if you're talking about literal "flogging," then no, I haven't seen what you're referring to.
Ah no, it's just the local dialect for beating the shit out of somebody. Loads of videos doing the rounds of it
I should say for the record, not that I think it needs saying, but I am completely opposed to all of the bullshit violence coming from the right. I often come off as a right wing apologist which I'm not, or not to the extent that I'm blind to their bullshit. Scum activity is scum activity wherever it comes from.
I've been saying this since the Tottenham riots: instead of going in with water cannons, they should have gone in with machine guns. Protest is one thing, violent riots and criminal mayhem is another.
I really don't care how right wing that sounds or what precedent it might set, kill the scum. I'm OK with that.
Same with the Dublin riots last November. No loss whatsoever. Destroy them.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 10:00:31 PMPolitically motivated murder by the 'far right' is nil in the last 19 years in the UK.
Jo Cox?
Just a couple of observations...
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
And as for recommending that the British should send in the army to deal with rioters... History would show that ain't a great idea...
Quote from: Alphonsus on August 04, 2024, 10:55:26 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 10:44:48 PMNot all Muslims are terrorists, I agree.
But all terrorists are Muslims.
You are about as ignorant as a bag of dogshit
Beautiful analogy but I'm not far wrong :)
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on August 05, 2024, 08:44:29 AMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 10:00:31 PMPolitically motivated murder by the 'far right' is nil in the last 19 years in the UK.
Jo Cox?
True enough, although Thomas Mair isn't exactly the full schilling. Not excusing the cunt.
When do we think this latest craic will run out of steam anyway? Surely lads will have to go to work during the week and that will take a bit of the sting out of it
What would they have done if they got into the hotel in Rotherham. Fucking animals.
Yep that was terrible stuff altogether. Could have killed somebody with that sort of carry on. I see the rumour is that there was a rapist with an address there but it seems unsubstantiated as of now.
Potentially a rapist, potentially a member of Hamas... oh I've heard enough, kill them all, they're all guilty of something those muzzies! What, this electronic tag? Assault and battery mate. Yeah, but she was really annoying me, y'know how it is, sure you had one yourself last year.
That's satire btw, merely inspired by real events, as they say at the movies. Such as...
Remember this simpleton blaming immigrants cos he couldn't get a job, even though he knew the real reason was that he had a record? Then turned out one of the sentences he'd served was for repeatedly molesting a 7 year old girl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SDKy2vsTOE
Rioter from the weekend with an electronic tag:
https://x.com/itsagoinwrang/status/1820008360382529952
And just to reiterate, because some want to unjustifiably throw this into doubt: it is absolutely possible to be a lout and an out-and-out racist who laps up everything Farage, Robinson, etc., say. In fact, it's very fucking common.
And this kind of thing too, in Belfast, this is also 'the far right':
https://x.com/azz_un1/status/1820256214111990016
So, one must be an 'out and out racist' to identify with Nigel Farage? Get a grip
FFS.
You are so incapable of seeing the woods from trees when it comes to the current unrest, the only conclusions your ideology can pallet are the usual dismissive buzzwords and derisive, churlish 'isms' that you throw at everything.
'Look at this video, another yin'!
Critical thinking is only of merit when you can summon it to analyse what you despise. You fail repeatedly.
Use your immense powers of English comprehension to point out exactly where I said "one must be" an out and out racist to identify with Nigel Farage?
Actually, don't bother: "it is absolutely possible to be" is what I said. Your mulch brain turned that into "one must be", because you're still as wantonly thick-headed as ever. Which, as ever, I wouldn't say if I thought you were actually thick.
If you'd care to break down the penultimate paragraph of your most recent eye-roller of a post into something that the fella on the street can understand, the proles fervently anticipate.
I'll do you one better:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 04, 2024, 10:44:48 PMNot all who identify with Farage are out and out racists, I agree.
But all out and out racists lap up the kind of xenophobic racist scutter Farage comes out with.
'COOLOCK SAYS NO' becomes banner non grata at Dublin demonstrations after appearing beside Loyalist flags and Union Jacks in Belfast:
https://x.com/soundmigration/status/1820452098158260483
Had heard it kicked off a load of in-fighting across social media, which is hardly surprising.
Nigel is possibly what you might call xenophobic, but calling him a racist is just using the language 'they' want you to.
This video is an excellent summary of how such language has been warped and engineered.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 05, 2024, 05:32:11 PMThis video is an excellent summary of how such language has been warped and engineered.
Fucking hell man, are you actually this far gone or is this another example of your dazzling humour? You want me to watch something from a channel who opens their videos (I checked the others, including one called 'The Interconnectedness of the Aryan Peoples') with a screen showing the thunderbolt S, a GOTT MIT UNS medal, and "Meine Ehre heißt Treue", the motto of the fucking SS?
If you want to know about language being warped and engineered to twist people's thinking, seems apparent you'd be much better advised reading Klemperer than watching this shite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTI_%E2%80%93_Lingua_Tertii_Imperii
The word Aryan is quite harmless, if one considers it.
It's only a rune. Gott mit uns is an ancient enough motto. The SS thing, well, that's unfortunate, but not reflective of the content.
You should take a listen, you might learn something. By all means call it shite if not satisfied.
I'm familiar with Klemperer and the Nazi and Soviet manipulation of language, but those were euphemistic strategies. What's happening now is quite different.
Your premise for sharing that video was the presumption that I consider Farage a racist because 'they' want me to. In reality, it's because I'm the kind of person who recognizes on sight and recoils from the motto of the SS, responding with "You should read Klemperer" instead, that I can assure you I do not consider Farage a racist because 'they' want me to.
"'they' want you to call Farage a racist, watch this video by a racist and you'll understand." jesus christ man
Look man, tone down the bluster. The content is non-racist and my motives are non-confrontational.
This was you commenting on a Channel 4 news segment I shared a few months back. "The mainstream outlets have been colonised absolutely by the postmodern leftist POV. It's not news, it's propaganda." Now we know that the unarticulated context there was: "A nazi told me."
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 14, 2024, 05:00:07 PMthe mainstream outlets have been colonised absolutely by the postmodern leftist POV. It's not news, it's propaganda.
What are you on about man? The main thrust of the video is about language manipulation rather than the media.
A Nazi? Oh yer man who makes the videos? If you consumed a few without harping on about the motto you'd see that you're mistaken.
I've spent the last year living in Russia so I'm quite used to propaganda and I can detect it without assistance.
Not easy to know how to respond.
1) He's a nazi. What better explanation is there for adopting the motto of the SS, displaying it under a thunderbolt S and a GOTT MIT UNS medal, and presenting it in all its fascism-worshiping glory at the beginning of every single communication you put out into the world over years?
2) Everyone can detect propaganda that's targeted at someone else.
3) Your denial of 1 is pretty strong evidence that you're not meeting the challenge of detecting propaganda that's targeted at your sensibilities.
4) I've read countless pages of Hitler's own speeches from both before and during the war. They obviously, by their very nature, constitute nazi propaganda. But anyone who knows them will also know that any explicitly bonkers "kill the jews" stuff a naïve person might expect to find all over the place is actually relatively sparse. For the most part, you need to know who you're reading in order to penetrate to the actual message. In that vein, this--the statement of intent and very first video from that channel--is absolutely fascist propaganda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMM7XMeiLXc
All the key points are hit, up to and including the primacy of blood (even embellished in the video using a quote from Mussolini-era racist, antisemitic, fascist Italian philosopher and poet Julius Evola, who later moved to Germany to work alongside... the SS!). It's really only details that distinguish this from Hitler's own words: the guy is a modern American, so there's faint praise of the founding fathers, an innocuous quote from Twain, instrumentalization of Orwell (always an efficient way to pull the wool over a certain kind of "I'm too smart to be taken in by propaganda" person's eyes), and so on. I didn't watch all of it, just a few minutes beyond the Evola quote, which tbh was a sufficient flashing neon swastika moment for me, but yeah: this is 100% modern nazi propaganda. And you've been taken in by it. Up to you to decide where to go from here.
Social commentary is secondary to painstakingly researched history on his channel but that's by the by.
Fine speech. You've watched a few moments of two videos, rather than your countless pages of AH, therefore your conclusions cannot hold water.
Granted, if you asked me to spend a few hours listening to Vaush, Sam Seder or someone of their ilk whose views I despise, I'd find it difficult, so let's leave it.
Oh I'm quite sure his history videos are indeed painstakingly researched, quite sure he leaves as little as possible to chance when selecting, eliminating, emphasizing and down-playing all the various elements necessary to spin just the right narratives.
But if you do have any concern for actual reality, historic or scientific, then you'll bear in mind, whenever watching the results of his research, that it was conducted by an individual who is still proudly impressed in the 21st century with the precise pseudoscience (which the likes of Evola actively contributed to) that was used to justify the persecution and ultimately slaughter of millions. And we can leave it at that because there really is nothing else to say on the matter.
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1820549553029857284?t=87KZKLMUBof0TzQcjb6iRQ&s=19
Well go on so... I'm sure you'll find a way to defend these poor chaps for their part in it now. This is what the uncompromising left and right viewpoints have brought on, driving everyone mad altogether. All so annoyingly predictable
Are you high?
No more than usual, why?
I guess, not being high at all myself, I'm failing to see, in the context of the levels of violence we've all seen over the last few days, why a slashed tire would even be of interest. Arrest him, I don't care. Throw the full weight of the law for slashing tires at him, whatever weight that is.
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1820557833953505383?t=eZnM9A0Jf61cHtXNwosD1A&s=19
More far right violence here for you.
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1820534030775062855?t=roRRZURjNtaHTZ5bQC8awA&s=19
More
How's this fitting with your narrative? I'll edit in a few more and you can edit in the white lads beating the coloured lads and we can decide which ones are justified and which group should be condemned by the UK prime minister
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1820565381930697031?t=YWCGF3USM5Hha4adM75PDg&s=19
Leave those minorities alone!
Look I only have to go to one account that leans right for clicks and I have those in no time. All you'll have to do is go to one account that leans left and we'll get the bould white lads. It's really that simple and it's all the fault of the UK government and media who have created this monster along with monetised, engagement-driven social media sources on all sides. Each side lying about the other each side distorting everything to their own view each side violent each side criminal.
Again, all miserably predictable years ago
Chap, yesterday you barely knew the details of how all this had gotten started almost a week ago, a result of massive misinformation from far right accounts and figures: Farage "just asking questions" about why the police "might" be "hiding the truth." Tate blaming the murder on an "undocumented migrant" who'd "arrived on a boat" (all false, I'll remind you just in case your attention is wandering), then he added: "The soul of the Western man is so broken that when the invaders slaughter your daughters, you do absolutely fucking nothing." Tommy Robinson: "more evidence to suggest Islam is a mental health issue rather than a religion of peace" (again, murderer wasn't actually a Muslim, and Robinson is one to be talking about mental health). Plus innumerable other known and unknown far right accounts stirring up sentiment against "the Muslims." All of that bullshit, actual bullshit, happened in real time, real causal time. A week ago. Of course it's fucking chaos now. Round them all up, charge them all, whatever. That doesn't mean it's not possible to trace back to causes, no matter how allergic you insist on being to doing so. But the ones who did the stirring up, they're the cunts who should get the worst of it and won't. They should be going after them as they did Abu Hamza!
And now Andrew Tate earlier today:
"This is the first time in my life Im getting serious racist insults for being brown from white people in the UK.
Not a good look."
Absolute tool of a man.
What happened with the lads breaking in to the hotel? I mean, they got in to the building so how are they subsequently stopped?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 05, 2024, 06:47:52 PMI've spent the last year living in Russia so I'm quite used to propaganda and I can detect it without assistance.
C'mere, what's your impressions of the place these days? Any heavy metal bands worth paying attention to?
Quote from: astfgyl on August 05, 2024, 12:26:09 PMWhen do we think this latest craic will run out of steam anyway? Surely lads will have to go to work during the week and that will take a bit of the sting out of it
No, I'd say it's picking up steam. The lumpen proletariat are on the move, they've been riled up and have plenty to target. The centre cannot hold, anarchy is loosed upon the world. Real anarchy not Micky Bakunin's fantasies
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 06, 2024, 12:27:00 AMChap, yesterday you barely knew the details of how all this had gotten started almost a week ago, a result of massive misinformation from far right accounts and figures: Farage "just asking questions" about why the police "might" be "hiding the truth." Tate blaming the murder on an "undocumented migrant" who'd "arrived on a boat" (all false, I'll remind you just in case your attention is wandering), then he added: "The soul of the Western man is so broken that when the invaders slaughter your daughters, you do absolutely fucking nothing." Tommy Robinson: "more evidence to suggest Islam is a mental health issue rather than a religion of peace" (again, murderer wasn't actually a Muslim, and Robinson is one to be talking about mental health). Plus innumerable other known and unknown far right accounts stirring up sentiment against "the Muslims." All of that bullshit, actual bullshit, happened in real time, real causal time. A week ago. Of course it's fucking chaos now. Round them all up, charge them all, whatever. That doesn't mean it's not possible to trace back to causes, no matter how allergic you insist on being to doing so. But the ones who did the stirring up, they're the cunts who should get the worst of it and won't. They should be going after them as they did Abu Hamza!
And now Andrew Tate earlier today:
"This is the first time in my life Im getting serious racist insults for being brown from white people in the UK.
Not a good look."
Absolute tool of a man.
So you're finding ways to excuse your favourite machete wielding Islam boys. Tell me this, if the actions of the Islam lads lead to more white people joining in the fight, will you trace that back to the cause of the Muslim defence league?
Not in a million years
Quote from: 91/30 on August 06, 2024, 09:47:44 AMQuote from: astfgyl on August 05, 2024, 12:26:09 PMWhen do we think this latest craic will run out of steam anyway? Surely lads will have to go to work during the week and that will take a bit of the sting out of it
No, I'd say it's picking up steam. The lumpen proletariat are on the move, they've been riled up and have plenty to target. The centre cannot hold, anarchy is loosed upon the world. Real anarchy not Micky Bakunin's fantasies
It's certainly like nothing I've seen before over there and it does appear to be snowballing
One person in Belfast in hospital in serious condition after some of these protestors stamped on their head repeatedly. Been investigated as a hate crime. That's the only info so far so did some of these protestors see someone of a different colour and proceed to stamp on their head. Attack stopped when some other members of the public stopped it. Bravo to whoever stepped in anyway.
Quote from: 91/30 on August 06, 2024, 09:38:05 AMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 05, 2024, 06:47:52 PMI've spent the last year living in Russia so I'm quite used to propaganda and I can detect it without assistance.
C'mere, what's your impressions of the place these days? Any heavy metal bands worth paying attention to?
It's not what you'd expect. The sanctions have little to no effect on daily life (McDonald's and coke are not available, boo-hoo, alternatives immediately sprang up). If you are a foreigner on a good salary, it's very cheap - 40c for a litre of petrol, groceries, especially the basics are for a song. Conservative, straight forward people. Learning Russian is a must and it's the most almighty cunt of a language I've ever come across. Contrary to popular smear, bring gay is absolutely fine (in the cities at least), but god help you if you start waving flags around. Petty crime is extremely rare, the electric scooters are unchained and unmolested on the street. Imagine that in Dublin. Any kind of prick acting and your asking for a bearing from the polis. Plenty of immigrants, mainly from Central Asia, sound lads.
Putin and the war are generally supported by everyone, bar maybe on the college campuses. They appreciate that he dragged the country out of the post-Soviet chaos.
As far as metal goes, there is almost no scene where I am (Kazan). Russians are shit engineers but the two times I've seen the ballet, absolutely jaw-dropping art. They also have a famous war song, 'Katyusha' which the travelling army choirs perform. I was 'fortunate' enough to see this 2024 version with the Russian navy's Jean-Claude Van Damme. Surreal.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 06, 2024, 11:22:10 AMOne person in Belfast in hospital in serious condition after some of these protestors stamped on their head repeatedly. Been investigated as a hate crime. That's the only info so far so did some of these protestors see someone of a different colour and proceed to stamp on their head. Attack stopped when some other members of the public stopped it. Bravo to whoever stepped in anyway.
A host of videos on X showing lone whites being targeted by gangs of Muslims. Nae cunt smelling of roses at the moment.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 06, 2024, 11:32:14 AMQuote from: 91/30 on August 06, 2024, 09:38:05 AMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 05, 2024, 06:47:52 PMI've spent the last year living in Russia so I'm quite used to propaganda and I can detect it without assistance.
C'mere, what's your impressions of the place these days? Any heavy metal bands worth paying attention to?
It's not what you'd expect. The sanctions have little to no effect on daily life (McDonald's and coke are not available, boo-hoo, alternatives immediately sprang up). If you are a foreigner on a good salary, it's very cheap - 40c for a litre of petrol, groceries, especially the basics are for a song. Conservative, straight forward people. Learning Russian is a must and it's the most almighty cunt of a language I've ever come across. Contrary to popular smear, bring gay is absolutely fine (in the cities at least), but god help you if you start waving flags around. Petty crime is extremely rare, the electric scooters are unchained and unmolested on the street. Imagine that in Dublin. Any kind of prick acting and your asking for a bearing from the polis. Plenty of immigrants, mainly from Central Asia, sound lads.
Putin and the war are generally supported by everyone, bar maybe on the college campuses. They appreciate that he dragged the country out of the post-Soviet chaos.
As far as metal goes, there is almost no scene where I am (Kazan). Russians are shit engineers but the two times I've seen the ballet, absolutely jaw-dropping art. They also have a famous war song, 'Katyusha' which the travelling army choirs perform. I was 'fortunate' enough to see this 2024 version with the Russian navy's Jean-Claude Van Damme. Surreal.
Why did you move to Russia, Kev? Will you sign up to help take Ukraine?
Quote from: astfgyl on August 06, 2024, 10:50:00 AMSo you're finding ways to excuse your favourite machete wielding Islam boys.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 06, 2024, 12:27:00 AMRound them all up, charge them all
Literally haven't excused anyone. Literally just said that the easily identifiable initial influential instigators, the ones most likely in this entire scenario to get away scot-free, should be charged too, and as heavily as possible.
Went there last September, got bamboozled by the big rouble pay check :)
I'm too auld for the front lines I think:) The salary for soldiers fighting in Ukraine is over 2000 dollas a month, about 4 times the average wage. 60 grand to your family if you get wiped out. A lot of culchies take up the offer...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 06, 2024, 12:48:53 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 06, 2024, 10:50:00 AMSo you're finding ways to excuse your favourite machete wielding Islam boys.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 06, 2024, 12:27:00 AMRound them all up, charge them all
Literally haven't excused anyone. Literally just said that the easily identifiable initial influential instigators, the ones most likely in this entire scenario to get away scot-free, should be charged too, and as heavily as possible.
How far back are we willing to go to find the root cause of thousands and thousands of white English people taking to the streets in response to their government's handling of the migrant situation there?
Yes, a minority are violent. That is not in doubt. What of the rest though? Saying they're all the far right now is like saying all Muslims want to behead us all, when in fact it's likely only a minority of them. Accepting that both of those statements are true, the UK Labour government and prime minister have taken the approach of only applying the vilification to the white nationalists doing damage and committing racially motivated offences and have gone down the road of only applying beatification to the Islamic people doing damage and computing racially motivated offences.
No talk whatsoever of what got the nationalists willing to take to the streets or why they only felt represented by the likes of hardliners on the nationalist side rather than by their own government. The three kids was only the final straw to get them out on the roads really and the numbers speak to a lot of discontent there. Misguided or not that's the reality by the looks of it. And don't forget the part that the left has to play in spreading false rumours - just look at the acid attack lies that were spread and the police said it didn't happen but the outrage in the media isn't there for that side of things. Then there's the fact that brexit was sold on the borders issue and it got through, which means over half of voters want stricter borders, for right or wrong.
It's not as simple as Tommy Robinson or Andrew Tate or even Elon Musk and twitter, as much as all of the traditional media would like people to believe.
I just fucking hope the Irish government take note before we end up with similar here, because we will eventually with the way things are going.
And this isn't coming from a far right perspective at all, I know most of the local Muhammeds and I get on well with them, they aren't causing any hassle at all around here and there's plenty of em too and they just don't bother anyone so I've no racial angle to take here but I can see with my eyes how it was all ripe long before now
Yeah those Hope not Hate scallywags were the ones spreading the acid attack pish.
The way I see it, the rioting is playing directly into labour's hands. They can 'no place in our society' it all they want, they are secretly delighted, now they can plough on with online censorship, digital ID's, Scottish style hate-speech laws and all the rest of it. Anyone who breathes a word of anti-immigrant sentiment, 'we don't want to commit cultural suicide' or what have you, call them far-right extremists and then the game is won. Smashing up the place only adds the exclamation point and justifies the coming clamp down on freedoms.
There isn't a hope in hell that the Muslim trouble makers will be called out publicly, it serves them not at all to do so.
The issue is not the incompatibility of Muslim and non-Muslim. The area of Russia I've been in is 50/50 Russian/Tatar Muslim and not a bother. Muslims and Serbs got along fine for the most part until they were whipped up by cunts with an agenda. The issue is an unacceptable level of uncontrolled illegal migration which only a fool couldn't foresee causing enormous problems.
Unfortunately, this west-wide infantilisation of the non-heterosexual Caucasian male is the broth in which this manky stew is being brought to a boil. The government, the media and left wing agitators shrieking one way whilst the nativist right bellowing to the other.
Schwab, Van Der Leyden, Soros and all the other creeps pishing themselves laughing at it all.
astfgyl: There's no need to slip into the abyss of infinite causal regressions here ;)
Remember when Gript published the wrong name for the Parnell Street attacker?
Imagine someone had consequently taken it upon themselves to kill that incorrectly identified person. The fact Gript had published his name wouldn't be an excuse for his consequent murder, but it would clearly have played a causal role in it and we would expect Gript to be held accountable for that role.
When Robinson, Tate, etc., etc., communicated similar misinformation--not incorrectly blaming one person, but entire populations (refer back to direct quotes above)--to literally millions of people, they voluntarily played a causal role in what some of those people did next.
They should be held accountable for that causal role. Full stop.
And, by exactly the same logic, that doesn't in any way mean I think that their causal role excuses the nature of any of the consequent actions, no more than I believe that far right thugs attacking a mosque in one city can excuse Muslims in another city attacking random white people. It's a really simple but important distinction to hold to, between identifying causes and excusing. I can list endlessly regressing causes for IRA violence, for example, it doesn't prevent me finding the majority of it inexcusable.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 06, 2024, 06:38:51 PMUnfortunately, this west-wide infantilisation of the non-heterosexual Caucasian male is the broth in which this manky stew is being brought to a boil.
I'm probably gonna be sorry for asking this but what have the gays to do it?
Farage trying to fob off his own personal responsibility onto, among other utterly unreliable sources, Tate:
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1820852517011329439
I like Nigel, but that is inconceivable stupidity.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 05, 2024, 09:53:08 PMSocial commentary is secondary to painstakingly researched history on his channel but that's by the by.
Fine speech. You've watched a few moments of two videos, rather than your countless pages of AH, therefore your conclusions cannot hold water.
Granted, if you asked me to spend a few hours listening to Vaush, Sam Seder or someone of their ilk whose views I despise, I'd find it difficult, so let's leave it.
Well I have had a look at his website and twitter page's and he really does comment on Jews allot.
Also he has no problem whatsoever retweeting Hitler quotes. A complete nutcase in my opinion.
https://twitter.com/AshaLogos
Haha, including his latest tweet about the riots in the UK:
QuoteWhen the Jewish populations conspired with incoming Muslim armies to pry open the Gates of Toledo, and this alliance nearly toppled all of Europe
And oh look, there he is presenting a highly contentious hypothesis (
some would say antisemitic myth) about the Jews as historical fact. It's almost like you can't trust a nazi to recount history objectively! ???
Anyway, from Spain in 711 to Italy in 2024, Angela Carini has apparently now said she was sent messages by the IBA pressuring her to abandon her fight with Khelif. The IBA press conference today was a right mess too, none of them seem to have the same story.
QuoteThe wife of a Conservative councillor has been arrested after she called for hotels with asylum seekers to be set on fire.
In a now deleted post on her X account, Lucy Connolly, who's from Northampton, wrote [on 29th July, night of the Southport murder]:
"Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care... If that makes me racist, so be it."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1jll3eg33wo
Speaking of Conservatives embodying the far right, Rishi "Stop The Boats" Sunak and his washed up party should take some responsibility for all the shite that's going on at the moment too:
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1803734430206284139
Go to bed lad.
Let me just finish this page of what I'm reading first...
QuoteA purely artificial cult of race has so flourished in Germany that many social movements—like anti-Semitism—and some of Germany's political ambitions cannot be understood apart from the mystic identification of Race, Culture and the State. In the light of actual science, this is so mythological that the remark of an American periodical that race means a number of people reading the same newspapers is sober scientific fact compared with it.
1915 Dewey wrote that. It'd make ya think wouldn't it?
Guten nacht!
Induct this wan here to the riot hall of fame, alongside brick to the bollocks guy and dog bite to the arse guy:
https://x.com/DillyHussain88/status/1820486019210490190
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
What a fucking eejit
These fucking people. Unreal.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 07, 2024, 01:17:37 PMalongside brick to the bollocks guy and dog bite to the arse guy
Anybody have links to these? Wouldnt mind laughing at them again.
Edit: nevermind, Internet search brings them up handy
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1820881508413899082?t=aW-DKwdCOZHQbqIaeoEIuw&s=19
Meeting with community and business leaders to determine what style of policing was needed.
Yeah definitely no two-tiered policing in the UK
Given how belligerent and in the police's faces they've been, I'm still yet to see a level of crackdown on "white British" protestors that would to my mind strictly reflect "two-tier" policing as opposed to, as I've said earlier, universally weak/incompetent policing (intentionally or otherwise). And let's not forget that, in terms of two-tiered justice, three genuinely peaceful ecology protestors recently got handed down 5 year prison sentences.
Anyway, more
anti-immigration protests far right riots expected in up to 100 towns and cities tonight.
Sunderland:
Quote"The dialysis unit at Sunderland and other outpatient treatment units are closing their doors early today ... due to the fact staff are mostly non UK nationality and many of which live within the (potential) protest areas of the town. They are genuinely worried and it's causing a panic amongst the staff..."
Context:
"Sunderland rioters throw rocks at Filipino NHS nurses on way to work as emergency cover"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sunderland-rioters-throw-rocks-filipino-33391948
Like, you laughed at this, but now look at it in terms of policing. What do the police do about having a flaming wheelie bin used to frontally attack them? Sweet fuck all.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 07, 2024, 01:17:37 PMInduct this wan here to the riot hall of fame, alongside brick to the bollocks guy and dog bite to the arse guy:
https://x.com/DillyHussain88/status/1820486019210490190
This two-tier policing thing, that's a far right dog whistle: the establishment are with "them" not with "us."
Footballer 'investigated' for retweeting Tommy Robinson post.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyxle57w0eo
'Far-right dog whistle'. You certainly love a sound byte.
It's the police and labour government themselves who are blowing the loudest dog whistles here, I'm afraid.
The Labour government were definitely blowing far right dog whistles throughout the election campaign, no doubt about it. A large part of the campaign between them and the Tories was see who could blow the loudest without too obviously bursting the membranes of their party line boundaries.
For a charge like "two-tier policing" to hold up, you can't go by vibes and anecdotes, especially when those vibes are being massively amplified by the likes of Elon Musk. And if you're not asking yourself what Elon Musk and his ilk's ulterior motives might be for amping up this precise sound-byte of two-tier policing (auto-irony escaping you once again Kev!) then you're awful wet behind the ears.
Quite a few results coming out from initial investigations into the misinformation:
QuoteThe woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the [Southport murder] suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.
She posted on Twitter/X that "Ali Al-Shakati" was the suspect, he was an "asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year" and was on an "MI6 watch list".
"If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose", she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.
The woman...is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account.
Incorrect posts giving a false name for the suspect, claiming he was Muslim, on an MI6 watch list and known to Liverpool mental health services, are still available on Twitter/X.
Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.
[She denies she was the first person to post it/the one who originated the fabrication.]
https://archive.ph/2024.08.07-184043/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect (https://archive.ph/2024.08.07-184043/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn#selection-2207.0-2245.315)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 07, 2024, 09:35:06 PMThe Labour government were definitely blowing far right dog whistles throughout the election campaign, no doubt about it. A large part of the campaign between them and the Tories was see who could blow the loudest without too obviously bursting the membranes of their party line boundaries.
For a charge like "two-tier policing" to hold up, you can't go by vibes and anecdotes, especially when those vibes are being massively amplified by the likes of Elon Musk. And if you're not asking yourself what Elon Musk and his ilk's ulterior motives might be for amping up this precise sound-byte of two-tier policing (auto-irony escaping you once again Kev!) then you're awful wet behind the ears.
Can you not find the opposing view to anything I'm saying just as easily on twitter? Of course you can! What do you think about musk playing his part there?
What do you think he's doing?! Seriously like? He's trying to grow site traffic and user hours. For market share.
Both sides are both lying and telling the truth to back up what they want to think and whatever view you need to back up your own is on there. It's just a measuring stick of sentiment. If people are happy and have money then none of that shit sticks and the sentiment is peace and love but when people are as generally unhappy as they are now, they tend to get polarised and the shit stuff starts to stick more on both sides, with each promising that only the total annihilation of the other's ideologies will bring about the utopia.
It's inevitable that when the sentiment is turning anti government that governments would want to put a stop to that, and now that there has been enough misbehavior it will give it that push over the line for censorship of all dissent, and not just your Tommy Robinson and David Icke either. Some craic
Elon Musk is not some influencer aiming to up his subscriptions. He's got one of the biggest stakes in social engineering in the world. Twitter is merely an instrument to him. Don't think Musk has financial interest in stoking the right? Think it's not in his direct present and future interest to make sure as many people as possible associate the left above all else with issues like gender and immigration rather than equitable resource distribution and social contribution?
The thinking cap you like to use for anything and everything Bill Gates does, put it on for Musk there for a couple of days.
I just saw on the news a town in England had thousands of pro- migration protesters show up to stand against anti- migration protesters. An image showed the pros in numbers literally an order of magnitude greater than the anti. Does that say something about the rise of the far right? No doubt those dudes exist, there's no denying it, but I wonder how much the media is blowing it out of proportion. I'm not making any excuses here for the appalling shite we've seen lately, I'm just curious about the actual figures and the levels of fear mongering being stoked by the media who have their own vested interests. The image struck me as being poignant and telling.
Poignant indeed. And very much a grassroots rather than media instigated movement, though I've seen the front pages for tomorrow and even the Daily Mail's is proclaiming solidarity, praising this resistance to "the thugs." They must have sampled the waters and confirmed that a majority of even their readers were disgusted enough with the behavior they'd seen and/or had to live through. We'll see how long it takes them to get back to business as usual!
Tommy being furious. Though I think this was recorded before tonight's gatherings cos he doesn't seem to have gotten the memo, maybe a couple of days ago. He'll flip out when he sees tomorrow even the tabloids have thrown "the thugs" under the bus:
https://x.com/AndyPlumb4/status/1821232011803283716
Edit: Here he is this evening:
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1821219175873888598
I do feel sorry for his children though. Having him for a father.
Whatever about the police being biased, there certainly seems to be a major discrepancy in how certain groups are being treated by the judicial system over there.
Guy who hit a polis during the Southport disturbances - already convicted and jailed for 3 years.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29731114/woman-bin-sobbing-man-rioters-court-teen-jailed/#:~:text=A%20YOB%20who%20punched%20a,rampage%20that%20killed%20three%20kids
The Muslim who broke a WPC's nose in Manchester airport hasn't even been charged with anything yet. The filth who stabbed three young girls to death is not due to be tried until January 2025.
To be fair, and I don't know anything about the legal system, but one of those three cases seems way more straightforward - and less serious - than the others.
The one in the airport I imagine is considerably complicated by a policeman being caught on camera trying to either kill or give serious brain damage to the guy who is lying down restrained.
The Southport attack is one of the most horrific and devastating crimes I can imagine, committed by a (then) underage person, some of the victims of which are still in critical condition - that already extremely serious case might get even more serious in the weeks and months to come as the full effects are made apparent. Those factors (the gravity, the age at the time, the ongoing uncertain condition of the other victims) probably make it more complicated.
Rioters being filmed (or filming themselves) causing criminal damage and assaulting police officers seems way more straightforward and 'easy' to get throught the system, no?
Whatever the cops intention (he overreacted, clearly), the other lad brought it on himself and was also caught on camera assaulting a woman. Straight forward enough to charge the cunt at the very least.
Airport thing still a highly active case by the looks of it:
https://news.sky.com/story/manchester-airport-lawyer-requests-all-footage-be-retained-after-man-was-kicked-and-stamped-on-by-police-officer-13191519
Again, leaping from a handful of examples to a conclusion of "two-tier policing" doesn't hold water. Has no one done the requisite painstaking statistical research into relative probabilities of arrest, conviction, length of sentencing for comparable crimes and with comparable prior criminal record, etc.?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 08, 2024, 08:30:06 AMWhatever about the police being biased, there certainly seems to be a major discrepancy in how certain groups are being treated by the judicial system over there.
Guy who hit a polis during the Southport disturbances - already convicted and jailed for 3 years.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29731114/woman-bin-sobbing-man-rioters-court-teen-jailed/#:~:text=A%20YOB%20who%20punched%20a,rampage%20that%20killed%20three%20kids
The Muslim who broke a WPC's nose in Manchester airport hasn't even been charged with anything yet. The filth who stabbed three young girls to death is not due to be tried until January 2025.
The case where he killed the 3 girls is always going to take longer to get to court. It's a murder case. Therefore the prosecution takes time to get its house in order correctly. Also theres discovery, then presenting the discovery to the defence before the trial and so on.
As regards the assault cases I know nothing of them so won't comment.
Plus he's been remanded in detention so for all intents and purposes is already imprisoned.
Starmer has promised not only prosecutions, but also convictions for the 'far-right agitators'. How could he possibly know the later?
?
Anyway, be careful out there kids, shit load of fake news going around at the moment. Musk last night/today shared (then later deleted without giving any explanation) a post from the co-leader of Britain First (he keeps an eye on all the best accounts!) with a fake Telegraph headline claiming Starmer was building detainment camps on the Falkland Islands :laugh: Also plenty of this kind of thing:
https://x.com/Shayan86/status/1821277653539942905
Track 6, Chaos AD, ye know the score.
Sure Musk said yesterday Harris was a communist.
He's an interesting mix of dumb and dastardly. I mean, he definitely knows that Harris isn't "literally a communist", so him pushing that message is conscious propaganda. Yet how he goes about that propaganda is often exceedingly dumb. And it's not always clear whether that's genuine stupidity or him being lazy because, given his target audience, he doesn't really need to make any more effort. E.g.:
https://x.com/tai_nugget/status/1821333895620559034
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 08, 2024, 12:17:07 AMElon Musk is not some influencer aiming to up his subscriptions. He's got one of the biggest stakes in social engineering in the world. Twitter is merely an instrument to him. Don't think Musk has financial interest in stoking the right? Think it's not in his direct present and future interest to make sure as many people as possible associate the left above all else with issues like gender and immigration rather than equitable resource distribution and social contribution?
The thinking cap you like to use for anything and everything Bill Gates does, put it on for Musk there for a couple of days.
Why weren't you saying any of this during covid if you're so horrified by social engineering? Because the censorship suited your views. Now that you see the growing popularity of the opinion that isn't your own socially acceptable one, you're crying foul over his social engineering, as if pfizer and moderna were some sort of socialist martyrs, foregoing all their profits made on censorship and government coercion of their citizens. Oh no, but it's Musk looking for market share that bothers you now because you disagree and that's all it is. Didn't I say in my post that he's doing the obvious thing, growing his market share? Just like all your covid heroes. Equitable distribution me hole
Find one place I said something positive about Pfizer.
'Just like all your covid heroes'
Ah lad 😂
I thought of you driving through Tipp Town earlier (I'm in the sweeter surroundings of Ballyferriter now) - rough around the edges but solid :) That pub Lowrys looks like a good place to thrill and spill by the way.
Bernie/Bonnie Spofforth (same woman from story above) arrested for role in spreading/plausibly starting misinformation:
https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/08/woman-first-shared-fake-southport-suspect-rumour-sparked-riots-arrested-21389346/
Spofforth had previously been banned from Twitter during the pandemic for spreading misinformation.
Rounding up dissidents for online misinformation. Somebody is the arbiter of what is misinformation.
What could possibly go wrong?
Hawwww Heeeee Hawwwww Heeeeee Hawwwwwww
Reality is the arbiter of what is misinformation. For example, the reality that the murderer was a Christian born in Cardiff rather than a Muslim who arrived on a boat. The relevant reality isn't always accessible, but that doesn't mean it never is. Hope this helps.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 08, 2024, 11:11:06 PMReality is the arbiter of what is misinformation. For example, the reality that the murderer was a Christian born in Cardiff rather than a Muslim who arrived on a boat. The relevant reality isn't always accessible, but that doesn't mean it never is. Hope this helps.
I actually don't believe you don't see the slippery slope. I just can't imagine anybody
wanting this under any circumstances. Even during the covid lark I never wanted any of the scaremongers silenced, I just wanted to call them out on repeat but it was still up to people what they thought.
I'm genuinely shocked at anyone who can't see the curveball being thrown here. You only like it because your misinformation is not the misinformation of today. But you will get your turn I guarantee it. I don't wish it on you.
What kind of responsibility do you believe the print or televised media should be held to when it comes to putting the safety of specific individuals or groups in immediate danger via fabricated facts?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 08, 2024, 11:54:52 PMWhat kind of responsibility do you believe the print or televised media should be held to when it comes to putting the safety of specific individuals or groups in immediate danger via fabricated facts?
Honestly, I'll have to take a few minutes to answer that one and I'm only on my lunch but it has given me pause for thought
Leeds:
Sameer Ali, 21, sentenced to 20 months in prison for participation in Leeds riots.
Adnan Ghafoor, 31, sentenced to two and a half years for participation in Leeds riots.
You might not think it by their names, but if you judge by these sentences plus the rigorously documented two-tiered justice system in the UK, it's obvious that these two lads are EDL members having the book unfairly thrown at them.
Flaming wheelie bin bint Stacey Vint (!) seemingly also got 20 months. Prisons going to be bursting at the seams at this rate. Should get them all doing community service together instead!
It was pointed out that maybe the quick prosecutions might have quelled some of the rioting planned for the last night. 🤔
I don't think there was anything planned and the whole thing seems to be a 4chan joke about all the protests.
Also not buying the lack of a two tier system. There is a narrative to uphold and it will be upheld as seen from the police videos nearly kneeling to the community leaders.
I was sitting in an office today with a Muslim woman from Birmingham for about an hour and of course it came up about England when she said where she was from and she maintains it's just a load of shite that'll soon blow over and her and the kids haven't seen any of that lark at all other than in the papers.
Thought that was quite interesting actually. And she was really good looking as well so I was really paying attention for a change. I'm glad we're far away from that shit in England here, I really am, but I can see the slow creep unless something is done very quickly by the government around immigration policy, and that could include the sober fact that we need the lads to pay our pensions because the heart has been ripped out of the 20-35 bracket here. That might be worth admitting rather than insisting we are trying to be good people or any of that old shite when it comes to taking the cheap workers
Quote from: astfgyl on August 09, 2024, 01:55:05 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 08, 2024, 11:54:52 PMWhat kind of responsibility do you believe the print or televised media should be held to when it comes to putting the safety of specific individuals or groups in immediate danger via fabricated facts?
Honestly, I'll have to take a few minutes to answer that one and I'm only on my lunch but it has given me pause for thought
I think the publisher can only be held responsible when they act as editor before the reporters print the stories
The rounding up of dissidents has begun.
All of you who championed this lark need to have a long hard look at yourselves.
I wouldn't even be up for censoring isis beheading videos while at the same time I've never watched one because i have the free will to do so or not.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Detainment camps in the Falkland Islands with COVID jabs to the bollocks twice a week, it's just around the corner, I can see it now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 09, 2024, 07:21:46 PMDetainment camps in the Falkland Islands with COVID jabs to the bollocks twice a week, it's just around the corner, I can see it now.
The best satire is very close to reality.
Bet you gave up on the boosters all the same....
I wrote that as absurd humour. If it's good satire to you, that's because you have an absurd sense of reality. QED.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 09, 2024, 08:03:09 PMI wrote that as absurd humour. If it's good satire to you, that's because you have an absurd sense of reality. QED.
When was your last booster and do you feel let down by the lies you were told to make you take the first one?
Careful of that old establishment mister
I have zero regrets over any actions I took during the pandemic, except maybe my failure to convince some statistically vulnerable yet misled friends and acquaintances to get vaccinated, two of whom ended up spending months in intensive care. But at least I tried. There were certain political and corporate abuses, but I remained level-headed in my contextualized evaluation of them: there has always been and always will be a certain level of political and corporate power abuse in any given national or international situation, genuine crises being no exception. All you can do imo is try to navigate them as objectively and soberly as possible, which in my libtard woke communist case means using the universal welfare of all humans as a moral compass.
And how about you? How are your predictions from the 2020 to 2022 period bearing out? Is your day to day pretty much back to where it was in 2019 or are you trapped in a localized Orwellian dystopia? Tap out 101 in Morse code if you need us to send help.
I thought it was impossible to give yourself a blowjob (believe me, I've tried), but you've managed it there.
Fair play.
Get out of your SS uniform and you might find it easier.
:laugh: lovely work, gents.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 09, 2024, 10:23:07 PMI have zero regrets over any actions I took during the pandemic, except maybe my failure to convince some statistically vulnerable yet misled friends and acquaintances to get vaccinated, two of whom ended up spending months in intensive care. But at least I tried. There were certain political and corporate abuses, but I remained level-headed in my contextualized evaluation of them: there has always been and always will be a certain level of political and corporate power abuse in any given national or international situation, genuine crises being no exception. All you can do imo is try to navigate them as objectively and soberly as possible, which in my libtard woke communist case means using the universal welfare of all humans as a moral compass.
And how about you? How are your predictions from the 2020 to 2022 period bearing out? Is your day to day pretty much back to where it was in 2019 or are you trapped in a localized Orwellian dystopia? Tap out 101 in Morse code if you need us to send help.
So did you stop taking the boosters or not? You know they're still recommended don't you? Stopping them is admitting you don't need them you know
Edit: I actually laughed the tea out of my mouth there at the universal welfare of all humans as a moral compass bit. It's not too often I read something so stupid
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 09, 2024, 10:51:22 PMI thought it was impossible to give yourself a blowjob (believe me, I've tried), but you've managed it there.
Fair play.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 09, 2024, 10:55:12 PMGet out of your SS uniform and you might find it easier.
I don't wanna sound like a queer or nuthin', but I would watch this porno scene just for the quality banter.
Wait til you see the shower scene.
Wait until you tell us all when you stopped taking the boosters for the certain death everyone faced.
How many have you had and how would you compare that to my experience of not having any?
I'm dead of course, writing from beyond the grave
Edit: you got done. Prove me wrong
Edit 2: what are the long term effects of that stuff you got injected? Would you mind pointing me towards the 5 year studies? Oh wait there aren't any.
Some critical thinking from you and everyone else. Yup no brains
We'll pick this up again in two years then? By that point there'll be plenty of five year studies. In the fact that millions upon millions who took the vaccine didn't subsequently die within 12 or 24 months, there's a pretty big hint already that those predicting this didn't have a damn clue what they were talking about, but if your prediction now is that something will be revealed by five year studies, grand, let's wait and see.
I got the flu jab and a booster a couple of months ago cos my GP said it'd be no harm. We all got COVID 2 weeks ago. The missus who isn't much of a believer in the vaccine, after getting the 2 initial jabs, was wiped out for a couple of days. I only had a tickly cough. I'm much more prone to picking up colds etc whereas she's never sick. Read into that what you will.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 10, 2024, 03:21:22 PMWe'll pick this up again in two years then? By that point there'll be plenty of five year studies. In the fact that millions upon millions who took the vaccine didn't subsequently die within 12 or 24 months, there's a pretty big hint already that those predicting this didn't have a damn clue what they were talking about, but if your prediction now is that something will be revealed by five year studies, grand, let's wait and see.
Are you actually serious?
Had whatever that shit was about 5 times now and it was a load of shite. I can't imagine taking several experimental treatments for that. Some shite.
You still haven't said whether you're up to date or not....
In for the penny in for the pound.
I would hope that a true believer such as yourself wouldn't have thought that any of the recommended shots were unnecessary
I didn't at any point feel personally at risk, not from COVID, not from the vaccine. I replied this to a friend on FB whining about Ireland's decision to close schools/colleges/etc., way back on 12th March 2020 (at the time, France had introduced no measures at all):
QuoteI'm not worried about getting [COVID] myself at all, not in the slightest, which is why I'm not panicking and why no one of our age or younger and in good health should be panicking. But that's not to say there isn't very good structural and civic reason to take extreme measures in order to circumvent the collapse of the health service. You can't at the same time observe what's happening in Italian hospitals right now and talk about "the overreaction of this century."
Later, I applied the same logic to getting the vaccines. I didn't feel personally at risk, but it was clear to me why governments were rolling out blanket public health mandates rather than leaving it up to (often misinformed) personal choice. Even if in some cases I thought certain governments were rolling that blanket out unnecessarily far, I didn't think I was in a "too far" category: my evaluation, based on the best science available at the time, was that the public health risk-benefit balance favoured everyone in my demographic getting vaccinated. Which I told everyone in my demographic who happened to ask me or read my posts on the subject on social media. Unfortunately a few people in my circle nevertheless chose to listen to paranoia (such as the blown out of all proportion "experimental gene therapy", etc., shite) rather than scientific consensus and two of them ended up separated from their families, their children, suffering in intensive care, occupying beds in intensive care, for months as a result. They and their families could easily have been saved that fear and suffering and the health service that enormous cost.
I know you've just described the most basic statement of enlightenment progressivism as "so stupid," but do you understand this difference between acting out of self-interest and acting out of civic interest? You can disagree with it of course, but do you understand it?
Do you think that everything I say is not in civic interest? Read it all. Think about it.
I am for freedom and I can't believe that anyone else isn't. Sometimes I think people took that mad shit just so they wouldn't be anti
I've had four years to think about everything I've read from you on the subject. It was bursting with misinformation that was absolutely not in the civic interest, even if you genuinely thought otherwise. The two unvaccinated guys I know who ended up in intensive care had their heads filled with all the same misinformation. Now, as I said, if you still believe that what you humbly refer to as "that mad shit" is going to produce some horrific negative long term effects, well literally the only thing we can do about that at this point is wait and see. So let's wait and see.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 10, 2024, 05:15:55 PMDo you think that everything I say is not in civic interest? Read it all. Think about it.
I am for freedom and I can't believe that anyone else isn't. Sometimes I think people took that mad shit just so they wouldn't be anti
I think most people took the vaccine because they have seen how vaccines have saved millions of lives over the last hundred years. I took the vaccine and when I got covid it was a hell of a lot better than my non vaccinated friends who got it at the same time.
The fifty lads at least that I know who didn't partake are all the solid finest.
As are all the lads I know who did take it
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 10, 2024, 06:22:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 10, 2024, 05:15:55 PMDo you think that everything I say is not in civic interest? Read it all. Think about it.
I am for freedom and I can't believe that anyone else isn't. Sometimes I think people took that mad shit just so they wouldn't be anti
I think most people took the vaccine because they have seen how vaccines have saved millions of lives over the last hundred years. I took the vaccine and when I got covid it was a hell of a lot better than my non vaccinated friends who got it at the same time.
What about me then who didn't take it and still got the vid but was not a bother
Edit: I'm not anti at all either. I think it's worth saying that i don't think anyone is wrong for thinking different to me
Edit 2: I still think everyone was sold a pup though
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 10, 2024, 06:22:45 PMI took the vaccine and when I got covid it was a hell of a lot better than my non vaccinated friends who got it at the same time
Quote from: astfgyl on August 10, 2024, 10:25:38 PMWhat about me then who didn't take it and still got the vid but was not a bother
Given the sheer amount of stuff you read and watched about various aspects of COVID over the space of two years or so, I'd be curious how well your chosen sources equipped you to answer a legitimate epidemiological question like that for yourself.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 10, 2024, 06:22:45 PMI think most people took the vaccine because they have seen how vaccines have saved millions of lives over the last hundred years. I took the vaccine and when I got covid it was a hell of a lot better than my non vaccinated friends who got it at the same time.
I think most people took the vaccine because they just wanted things to get back to normal, or because they felt pressured into getting it by family or society.
I didn't take it and breezed through covid twice, possibly 3 times. Some people I know who took the vaccine said that the dose of covid they got after the vaccine was way worse, compared to the dose they got before they got the vaccine. Some friends reported the opposite. Different strains, different lifestyles, yada yada who knows?
I'm not anti-vaccine, I got hepatitis and rabies shots when I knew I was going to a jungle in South East Asia, and would be hours away from decent medical attention.
But getting a covid shot because of an allegedly shit handling of a crisis in Italy where a bunch of old people died, and I'm about 40 years younger than the average age of people dying, and with no underlying medical conditions? Yeah, nah.
Should probably move this conversation to the covid thread though.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 12, 2024, 05:58:41 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on August 10, 2024, 06:22:45 PMI took the vaccine and when I got covid it was a hell of a lot better than my non vaccinated friends who got it at the same time
Quote from: astfgyl on August 10, 2024, 10:25:38 PMWhat about me then who didn't take it and still got the vid but was not a bother
Given the sheer amount of stuff you read and watched about various aspects of COVID over the space of two years or so, I'd be curious how well your chosen sources equipped you to answer a legitimate epidemiological question like that for yourself.
I would just throw that question right back at you in reverse. You might be in the science loop but that doesn't mean you knew any more than I did. Seems to me you were just willing to throw your lot in with big business and I wasn't. But sure hey, whatever you thought would buy the freedom back....
And yeah I'm with Giggles on not ruining the thread with it. The only reason I brought it up was because of censorship and misinformation. I really couldn't give a fuck about covid other than the awful push to line the pockets of the pharma lobby
Quote from: Giggles on August 12, 2024, 10:05:30 PMI'm about 40 years younger than the average age of people dying, and with no underlying medical conditions
Do you know how many people, in general at any given time, have underlying medical conditions they're not aware of? The two people I know who didn't get vaccinated and winded up in ICU both thought they were fighting fit to combat COVID without assistance. So did I, and probably I was. But that's the big question, the big public health question that had to be reckoned: how many of those who got vaccinated only under duress, those who wouldn't have bothered getting vaccinated without significant pressure, how many of those, thinking they were fighting fit, would nevertheless also have ended up in an emergency room, in an ICU, or in the morgue? With all the attending consequences of that, first and foremost being the immediate stress on the health service.
At the peak of the vaccine rollout, when there was only about 7% of the Irish adult population still unvaccinated, that population nevertheless accounted for just over half of ICU admissions. So imagine if everyone had just been given the choice and not 7% but 30% or 40% of the Irish adult population had decided they were fighting fit enough. The two of you would have been grand, and probably I would have been grand, but that doesn't counter what the epidemiology statistics state pretty loud and clear, which is that many people, including in our age group, would have been fucked and would have consequently fucked the health service.
Pfizer being utter cocks doesn't enter into
this part of the equation. Nor does Pfizer being utter cocks mean that the vaccine developed on the basis of decades of research was "mad shit." All the people shrieking about the vaccine being "experimental gene therapy," etc., were spreading misinformation which was landing people in ICUs and getting some of them killed. Was there a different kind of misinformation being spread aimed at making Pfizer, etc., rich (mandating for young children, endless boosters, etc.)? Of course, naturally: welcome to capitalism! But they're distinct issues nonetheless.
A lot of people seem to think alright they just cobbled together a vaccine. A friend of mine works in that area, and like you said, he told me how it's based on countless years of research. Last I'm gonna say on it. I'm done talking about covid.
When I was writing that post, I was actually going to add "to my knowledge" after the no medical conditions part, but I didn't bother as I assumed that was a given. And here you are pouncing on it :laugh:
I get what you're saying with the numbers, but I'm not interested in debating any of that. I was just merely replying to Ollkiller and Emphyrio's posts.
I wouldn't convince nor discourage anybody about the vaccines because what they do is none of my business.
I took the risk, I'm still alive and the state didn't have to hand over money to Pfizer on my behalf. Win win if you ask me!
Fuck COVID and fuck Pfizer. We have our points of agreement gentlemen. More or less. :laugh:
:abbath:
This could go in crimes, but since it's about the riots:
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/judge-savagely-puts-plymouth-rioter-9479578
QuoteJudge Robert Linford then rounded on Cann telling him that according to his police interview he discussed with them "about the better use of taxpayers' money and why people were having to pay to keep these people in this country after committing such heinous crimes."
Judge Linford then launched a stinging rebuke to Cann saying: "So let's look at how the taxpayer have been funding your activities over the last 38 years - let's see what you've cost the country: you've got 10 aliases, four fictitious birth dates, you're 51 years of age, you've been convicted of 170 offences, you been convicted of theft, arson, taking cars, handling stolen goods, obtaining by deception, burglary, dangerous driving and possessing bladed articles. In all over the years that you've been visiting the criminal justice system you've received sentences totalling 357 months in prison, many of them concurrent.
"In other words, nearly 30 years. That Mr Cann is what you've been costing this country and you sit there in that interview and saw fit to be critical of others. You have no right whatever to say who should or should not be in this country."
Told! :laugh:
:laugh: fair play to the judge!
:laugh: he got fucking scalded but he should have been locked up for all his other crimes long ago
How is this cunt out and about with that record? Incredible. Richly deserved mauling n'all :)
Quote from: Giggles on August 12, 2024, 10:05:30 PMBut getting a covid shot because of an allegedly shit handling of a crisis in Italy where a bunch of old people died, and I'm about 40 years younger than the average age of people dying, and with no underlying medical conditions? Yeah, nah.
It's easy to forget the early variants were far more aggressive than the version most of us got. A friend of the wife is a consultant at a hospital in Sardinia and he saw it happen first-hand. I met him last year and, as he put it -
it showed the symptoms of pneumonia but none of our therapies worked - and he watched a lot of people of all ages die of it. We can argue about vaccines, and how we coped when we eventually got it until the cows come home, but when it first arrived, Covid was a proper bastard.
18 months in the jail? Fuckin' ridiculous.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sutton-man-61-chanted-f-151500758.html
There's going to be a rake of these, are we going to list them all?
Except for the most extreme cases, "protestors" and "counter-protestors" alike shouldn't have been given prison sentences but, imo, been obliged to work side by side on community service projects, with a genuine threat of prison only if they caused trouble. Win-win-win.
If it was a Muslim I'd be saying the same thing. 'Who the fuck is Allah'.
I was at a football game in Sarajevo last summer between Banja Luka (Serbs from Republika Srpska) and Železniçar, the local Muslim team and the fans (separated by lines of cops and nets) were threatening to cut heads off, 'we're coming back for you' etc etc. the polis just laughing. Lads getting the jail for mouthing off is pure insanity.
I might have a video on my phone of the boyz...
I just said I agree they shouldn't be getting prison. But they are. And there's going to be a rake more.
It's all getting a bit East Germany.
In East Germany people were locked up for mere criticism of the government. These people are being locked up for violently targeting asylum seekers and Muslims. Important but easy to grasp differences.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 15, 2024, 07:05:14 PMLads getting the jail for mouthing off is pure insanity.
100%. If there wasn't violence involved, he's getting stung for speech. There's no incitement there from those quotes, so this seems ridiculous.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 15, 2024, 07:26:47 PMIn East Germany people were locked up for mere criticism of the government. These people are being locked up for violently targeting asylum seekers and Muslims. Important but easy to grasp differences.
He said 'who the fuck is Allah'. Oh, and he jabbed his finger at the Polis. It's equally as sinister, only the stasi have been replaced by the constabulary.
He was actively participating in violent riots targeting asylum seekers and Muslims. He wasn't merely criticizing the government. I don't think he should be going to prison for it (if nothing else because of the reaction it will get from the likes of you) but it's nevertheless nothing like East Germany.
That's not what he's been sent to jail over though.
You once said here that you'd rather live in Cuba than the US. Please, with the doctrinaire stuff. It's stifling your considerable intellect.
I think someone needs to test this out by criticising the Christian god and seeing if they get jailed for it.
At a fucking stretch, and I mean a stretch give him 28 days and release him after a day or two. Soften his cough.
Lunacy taking up valuable prison spaces over words.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 15, 2024, 08:29:59 PMThat's not what he's been sent to jail over though.
You once said here that you'd rather live in Cuba than the US. Please, with the doctrinaire stuff. It's stifling your considerable intellect.
I stand by that choice, all the more now that I can get by in Spanish.
You once recommended I watch a video about abuse of language in the media made by a proud nazi. And you stood by that. Which didn't stifle anything: it merely revealed.
Anyway, what he's been charged with, what he pleaded guilty to, is violent disorder, specifically: "making threatening gestures at police," "screaming 'Fucking wanker' and 'cunt' at officers in riot gear, then singing 'You're not English, you're not English anymore'. At one point he also joined the Islamophobic chant 'Who the fuck is Allah, Allah Allah'"
Doesn't deserve jail, but he deserves something for pushing to the front line of the riot, placing himself and his incandescent rage in full sight of the police (which is how they got everything he did on camera), rather than getting back on the train and traveling back to Sutton to be with his wife when things started getting violent.
Anyone who'd even tried to do something like that in East Germany would have been beaten to within an inch of their life on the spot, then thrown in a van to be taken for "medical care" literally to never be seen again.
I assume you've never been to Cuba, or maybe you just stayed at your hotel.
I was offered about a dozen wives and you can't walk down the street in Havana without seeing the utter disaster that country is.
You should go and see for yourself.
What!?!? You mean it's not like how it's portrayed in the ads for Havana rum!?!? Fuck, thanks for the info dude! It's a good thing you're around, otherwise I'd have to rely on what I learn about the world from mainstream media (and have you heard about how they abuse language!?!?)
Lads, when you two finally get around to 69-ing each other the release will be felt in tremors all over the world. I can't wait.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 15, 2024, 09:38:24 PMWhat!?!? You mean it's not like how it's portrayed in the ads for Havana rum!?!? Fuck, thanks for the info dude! It's a good thing you're around, otherwise I'd have to rely on what I learn about the world from mainstream media (and have you heard about how they abuse language!?!?)
You said you'd rather live in Cuba than the US
Best of luck
Quote from: astfgyl on August 15, 2024, 08:56:42 PMI think someone needs to test this out by criticising the Christian god and seeing if they get jailed for it.
I'm going to be pedantic over the use of the word criticising.
Aside from the backwards Northern Irish bit, GB have repelled all their blasphemy laws though I can't see the RUC/PSNI actually arresting you for breaking them up here, but you are more than welcome to try. Those are/were the laws that actually prohibited criticism of the Christian god and the workings of the church (though only the Anglican church as far as I can remember).
Now, on the other hand, if I use terms like Fenian or Proddy Bastard to describe people... based on their Christian religion or perceived religion, the potential to be prosecuted is very real. The same would be the case in Scotland (as far as I am aware).
Told you I was being pedantic.
If that person got 28 days in jail just for saying "Who the fuck is Allah?", that is certainly a worry for people's ability to make legitimate criticism and protest against all religions/cults and sets a very dangerous legal precedent.
Honestly I think the Allah bit wasn't what got him done because there was supposedly a crowd chanting that and he was getting a bit in the cops faces about it from what I've read.
There was a more worrying one where a lad was apparently jailed for (in part) anti establishment rhetoric, which would be even worse imo
24 years just waiting for a chance, to tell him how I'm feeling maybe get a second chance, but I'll never get used to not living next door to Allah, Allah, Who the Fuck is Allah?
Little known song lyrics there by a band called Muslim Meatloaf And The Manic Mohammadi.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 16, 2024, 09:05:59 AMLads, when you two finally get around to 69-ing each other the release will be felt in tremors all over the world. I can't wait.
ah here, that's an image I could have done without!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1614/25856990760_a486f059b7_b.jpg)
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 16, 2024, 09:05:59 AMLads, when you two finally get around to 69-ing each other the release will be felt in tremors all over the world. I can't wait.
A car passed me on the Ipswich highway last year with personalised number plates - GAY69....only in orstralia
HONK IF YOU'RE DOWN UNDER
:laugh:
I think it's most relevant to this thread to say that the whole bread and circus thing is spot on but at this stage I would really love more bread and less circus
"I was shouting about Alan, not Allah" :laugh: :laugh:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/leeds-protester-jailed-allah-not-alan-381353/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 19, 2024, 08:39:12 PM"I was shouting about Alan, not Allah" :laugh: :laugh:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/leeds-protester-jailed-allah-not-alan-381353/
Fucking eejit. Sure who the fuck is the possible Alan? A watery defence indeed.
On a tangential note, I came across this little good news story on the same site, which I'm sure will warm the cockles of many a heart here on this site, and not just as just desserts for the awful times I might add!
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/who-is-ian-watkins-paedophile-how-long-jail-sentence-354016/
https://x.com/YouKnowWhoIAmIE/status/1826698199865983019
I know it looks bad, but he prob does great history videos!
That is heil-y amusing.
Fucking hell.
Wow :laugh:
I feel better knowing that Father Ted and his five gimps are keeping Irish borders secured.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 22, 2024, 11:36:00 PMhttps://x.com/YouKnowWhoIAmIE/status/1826698199865983019
I know it looks bad, but he prob does great history videos!
Ah jaysus :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 22, 2024, 11:36:00 PMhttps://x.com/YouKnowWhoIAmIE/status/1826698199865983019
I know it looks bad, but he prob does great history videos!
Didn't realise your voice could break twice!
Quote from: Ducky on August 23, 2024, 02:19:16 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 22, 2024, 11:36:00 PMhttps://x.com/YouKnowWhoIAmIE/status/1826698199865983019
I know it looks bad, but he prob does great history videos!
Didn't realise your voice could break twice!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Who throws a shoe? Honestly!
:laugh: Where's that?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/26/us/digital-blackface-social-media-explainer-blake-cec
Just came across this on twitter even though it's not new, it's a new type of offending people for me. Luckily though I'm way too racist to ever represent my thoughts or feelings by using an image of any other colour person than my own so that means I'm PC now
Damn, that shit is wack.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 27, 2024, 11:30:01 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/26/us/digital-blackface-social-media-explainer-blake-cec
Just came across this on twitter even though it's not new, it's a new type of offending people for me. Luckily though I'm way too racist to ever represent my thoughts or feelings by using an image of any other colour person than my own so that means I'm PC now
When news outlets report shit like this as actual news, they feed the Trump machine. Pure nonsense.
Is there any Black lad in a Black Metal band wearing corpse paint that we can accuse of doing "white face"?
(https://c.tenor.com/04iSbMpsvewAAAAC/tenor.gif)
:laugh: :laugh:
Damn Motherfucka!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 28, 2024, 12:23:11 AMWhen news outlets report shit like this as actual news, they feed the Trump machine. Pure nonsense.
I think it's a classic case of paper not refusing ink, or whatever is the digital equivalent and I'd be very surprised if there was anyone in the world genuinely offended by it but yeah it would only galvanise opposition rather than make anyone stop and think in any case
Quote from: astfgyl on August 27, 2024, 11:30:01 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/26/us/digital-blackface-social-media-explainer-blake-cec
Just came across this on twitter even though it's not new, it's a new type of offending people for me. Luckily though I'm way too racist to ever represent my thoughts or feelings by using an image of any other colour person than my own so that means I'm PC now
That's an old one and didn't catch on.
Guaranteed some 4chan pleb came up with that and left it out for some lazy intern at vice or CNN to make an article about it.
what of that Denzil Washington meme every cunt posts whenver they see some celbrity older than 60 trending and instantly think they've croaked? Thats not an extreme emotion.
Fuck, lets just go full racist and get it over with.
Quote from: Sworntothecans on August 28, 2024, 02:58:22 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 27, 2024, 11:30:01 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/26/us/digital-blackface-social-media-explainer-blake-cec
Just came across this on twitter even though it's not new, it's a new type of offending people for me. Luckily though I'm way too racist to ever represent my thoughts or feelings by using an image of any other colour person than my own so that means I'm PC now
That's an old one and didn't catch on.
Guaranteed some 4chan pleb came up with that and left it out for some lazy intern at vice or CNN to make an article about it.
Yeah I'd file it with the racist gardening as well
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-assaulted-three-asian-women-175956196.html
Can't understand why the UK is being accused of two tier policing with sentences like this.
At least he didn't complain about it on social media because that would have had him jailed in 3 days
Edit: tbh I don't think it's anything to do with him being Muslim. I just think there's a crazy disparity in sentencing outcomes for violent crime in general when compared with the social media arrests in the UK. White English lads get off equally softly all the time. It goes to show the latest stuff is politically rather than criminally motivated, hence the two tier Kier accusations which are absolutely true imo and stuff like this makes it impossible to deny, unless one is hopelessly compromised by one's political leanings. It's the same here in Ireland as well and Harris was only out again the other day saying his piece about the hate speech legislation that will see it ramped up to an extent you've only read about in history books about the gestapo and stasi. But then none of that matters to the modern leftist as long as they get their childish way, I suppose... it says a lot that all of the modern leftists are middle class who never wanted for a thing in their lives really other than to leave their tents behind at Glastonbury and electric picnic because daddy can just buy them another one next year.
Going to try stir the pot here for a change...
What does anyone here think should afford a person of any particular race minority status in any given country?
This is an honest question even though I have a feeling many will see where I'm going with this.
I would particularly like to hear the shepherd's thoughts on how any ethnicity should be granted minority status anywhere but the rest of ye lads are of course welcome to join in while I make my all inclusive point.
So....
Why should any ethnicity or colour or creed be afforded minority status in any place?
I think obfuscation will be the order of the day with this one but maybe I'll be surprised and learn something even though I seriously don't think so
Sounds like she may well be disabled for life (fingers crossed that won't be the case), but the poor stabbed girl has finally been discharged from hospital:
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0903/1468089-dublin/
I hadn't realised the injuries were that life altering, I suppose when she was that small there was more damage done. It's progress though, and any improvement is a good thing.
It would sicken you. Her life is completely altered, and for what? Poor girl and her poor family.
Good that she is improving but sad to see she is till in a bad way.
Have any updates ever been provided about the attacker? I don't think I have seen a single thing about him from anyone since the attack happened.
Case was sent forward to trial in February, no update since then.
I wonder how they will handle the trial as I would imagine crowds of people will show up to the court when it's going on. It will most likely be one of the biggest trials in the history of the country,
Yeah, I'm not sure. I did see that his legal team were granted anonymity though. I don't know if legal precedent exists to uphold that during the trial itself though..?
https://www.irishpatriots.com/free_enoch_burke
He should get a good few signatures from here I reckon. Most of you are probably already registered on the site anyway
Quote from: astfgyl on September 03, 2024, 09:50:47 PMhttps://www.irishpatriots.com/free_enoch_burke
He should get a good few signatures from here I reckon. Most of you are probably already registered on the site anyway
Fuck that gobshyte and his gobshyte family. You should see their shop in castlebar.
What did you buy in it?
I would happily watch him being burned at the stake. Insufferable cunts, all of them.
Yer man who runs this account can be a bit excitable, but the sheer quantity of videos he documents of moronic thugs who've adopted xenophobia simply as a novel way of looking for trouble is unreal:
https://x.com/lil_doza/status/1831241584924307569
And put to bed the "I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't all single men" excuse, even families with their children standing right with them aren't safe from these doses:
https://x.com/lil_doza/status/1830862743299047783
Hook it to my veins, as the kids say:
https://x.com/BurtchaellJohn/status/1834315312654610504
"NP Cllr Patrick Quinlan indicted himself at Monday's FCC meeting when I called out an unidentified Fingal councillor for racist harassment of migrants at Thornton Hall"
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 13, 2024, 11:03:55 AMHook it to my veins, as the kids say:
https://x.com/BurtchaellJohn/status/1834315312654610504
"NP Cllr Patrick Quinlan indicted himself at Monday's FCC meeting when I called out an unidentified Fingal councillor for racist harassment of migrants at Thornton Hall"
What a dope the unidentified councillor is - and to add insult to injury he doesn't appear to know his 'redact' from his
'retract'.
Here's a bit of fun for this thread - a thing eating itself:
https://www.salon.com/2024/09/15/tim-burtons-use-of-a-soul-train-scene-in-beetlejuice-beetlejuice-was-probably-not-the-best-idea/
Nothing less than an all black cast could save Tim's soul at this stage... and even then....! Ahhhh brilliant
Quote from: astfgyl on September 17, 2024, 10:44:08 PMHere's a bit of fun for this thread - a thing eating itself:
https://www.salon.com/2024/09/15/tim-burtons-use-of-a-soul-train-scene-in-beetlejuice-beetlejuice-was-probably-not-the-best-idea/
Nothing less than an all black cast could save Tim's soul at this stage... and even then....! Ahhhh brilliant
What a racist cunt.
Enoch Burke's brother Simeon claims he is being 'shut out' of barristers' body
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/enoch-burkes-brother-simeon-claims-he-is-being-shut-out-of-barristers-body/a257169294.html
Yeah, can't for the life of me fathom why nobody wants to take him under their wing. The mind boggles.
They seem determined to make themselves unemployable.
Quote from: John Kimble on September 19, 2024, 05:16:30 PMEnoch Burke's brother Simeon claims he is being 'shut out' of barristers' body
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/enoch-burkes-brother-simeon-claims-he-is-being-shut-out-of-barristers-body/a257169294.html
Yeah, can't for the life of me fathom why nobody wants to take him under their wing. The mind boggles.
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Schtuff for the cunt!
I haven't watched it yet, but here's RTE's 'Inside The Protests' investigation:
https://www.rte.ie/player/movie/rt%C3%A9-investigates-inside-the-protests/560314920188
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/michael-d-higgins-accuses-israeli-embassy-of-leaking-letter-he-sent-to-iranian-president/a1899505087.html
This seems to have offended one or two
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 20, 2024, 08:48:03 AMI haven't watched it yet, but here's RTE's 'Inside The Protests' investigation:
https://www.rte.ie/player/movie/rt%C3%A9-investigates-inside-the-protests/560314920188
700 odd million should buy only the most unbiased coverage
Predictably it doesn't challenge the FFG establishment or even mention deeper socioeconomic conditions they created. But apart from that overriding bias by omission, there's really not much skewing required to make certain folks' own live streams show them up for the hate-filled creatures they are. Relative inaction from gardai is what gets put on the chopping block, but without that further step to questioning top-down policy on the whole thing. Which, as I've said before, is imo to allow the #IrelandIsFull clowns attract all the attention and consequent flak, a policy they're all too willing to oblige.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 22, 2024, 10:31:52 PMPredictably it doesn't challenge the FFG establishment or even mention deeper socioeconomic conditions they created. But apart from that overriding bias by omission, there's really not much skewing required to make certain folks' own live streams show them up for the hate-filled creatures they are. Relative inaction from gardai is what gets put on the chopping block, but without that further step to questioning top-down policy on the whole thing. Which, as I've said before, is imo to allow the #IrelandIsFull clowns attract all the attention and consequent flak, a policy they're all too willing to oblige.
Ah they'll get nowhere with either the documentary or the willing and useful clowns. The real discontent is brewing among the less extreme folks who don't like being told that they don't see what they see.
The shift to the right in the general public is noticeable to me, for right or wrong. There's a reason that Harris is pandering to it before the election. Of course anyone who has ever heard of politics knows that the minute the election is done with, that it'll be full steam ahead once again with everything migration related (again, it doesn't matter whether one likes that idea or doesn't like that idea - it's just what's on the cards in general as I see things).
The right in this country as highlighted in that documentary are as useless as anything imaginable to everyone but the government and the folks making their millions from the valuable commodity that is International Protection Applicants. They are great for those people.
The political right are also stone useless and not worth bothering with because they're just the other extreme and as bad as the likes of PBP or loons like that.
Pepper's having a bad week. Ye may have seen the video going around of him tripping over his words and getting lost during his time at a DCC meeting there a few weeks ago, now this:
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/1016/1475883-dublin-councillor-complaint/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 16, 2024, 10:16:39 PMPepper's having a bad week. Ye may have seen the video going around of him tripping over his words and getting lost during his time at a DCC meeting there a few weeks ago, now this:
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/1016/1475883-dublin-councillor-complaint/
These lads are so bad that I'm going to end up voting for anything bar them. We have the weakest right wing in the whole of Europe surely?
Anyway speaking of being offended has anyone noticed the hate speech laws that the government said were mothballed are actually going full steam ahead through the seanad? Well they are anyway so nobody can ever be offended again
Was chatting about it with my GCSE young lads last week, what's worse, getting the jail for putting anti-war stickers over the prices of items in the supermarket (as happened in Russia) or getting dragged through courts for saying 'Allah, Allah, who the fuck is Allah' to a polisman.
Quare auld world.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 16, 2024, 11:18:21 PMAnyway speaking of being offended has anyone noticed the hate speech laws that the government said were mothballed are actually going full steam ahead through the seanad? Well they are anyway so nobody can ever be offended again
Where did you see this? Not surprisingly I can't find anything about it on any of the MSM sites.
I did see about a week after they said it was being scrapped that the EU sent a letter to the Irish Government saying the laws we currently have in place are not in line with hate speech laws for Europe so they need to be changed (great again having people we never voted for telling us what to do).
My guess was the Government knew this letter was coming or already had it so they announced scrapping the laws knowing they would still go ahead then they could say we didn't want to do it but the EU forced us.
Couple of senators had it on their twitter feed and it was published in the dàil schedule for yesterday. The government are trying to ram it through before an election the snakey bastards
Video going around from yesterday of them all having a great laugh and sharing sweets in the Seanad while signing the Hate Speech bill. McEntees deal with UAE will be rammed down everyones throats now over the next few weeks as a major achievement and will be the reason she should be kept in Government when this election ends up happening next month. While conveniently forgetting all the damage she has done to the country over the last few years.
Saw that one of McDowell going on about 'rabid antisemitism' as the reason the internet needs to be policed.
The justification being the cross party consensus is bullshit considering they all fell over themselves for the family bill. I've heard various politicians say things like 'jokes lead to violent attacks', 'you can be arrested for perceived offences' and 'we are restricting freedom for the common good, which is like any other law if you think about it'. Amazing.
As for O'Gorman and McEntee, words fail me. How a lucid human being could vote for either of them is baffling.
Did they not pay attention to what happened in Scotland? Complete farce over there.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 19, 2024, 12:16:35 PMSaw that one of McDowell going on about 'rabid antisemitism' as the reason the internet needs to be policed.
The justification being the cross party consensus is bullshit considering they all fell over themselves for the family bill. I've heard various politicians say things like 'jokes lead to violent attacks', 'you can be arrested for perceived offences' and 'we are restricting freedom for the common good, which is like any other law if you think about it'. Amazing.
As for O'Gorman and McEntee, words fail me. How a lucid human being could vote for either of them is baffling.
Did they not pay attention to what happened in Scotland? Complete farce over there.
How anyone can be voting for any of the shit we have in this country is beyond me. You'd think it would be the best and brightest would rise up to represent the country but instead it's our most brazenly corrupt and compromised and lobbied beyond any shred of integrity that get picked for the job. Every time.
A lot of this, of course, is that the opposition to that lot we have are actually more visibly retarded with no coherent anything to offer.
So we will get the same again. How depressing.
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 05, 2018, 04:41:35 PMThere's a big hullabaloo about this Christmas song being banned by certain radio stations. This is only the latest in a very, very long list of things that are/have been censored. Is it partly due to me being an old grumpy fucker or has the world finally gone mad? Historical statues being knocked, , certain movies not being screened any more, fear of even speaking out with any sort of more traditional opinions.... Where does it end?
Any of this overly PC nonsense boil yer bloods or is it just me?
https://x.com/TheMonologist/status/1847346477925871850?t=uPBE1xd-9odictkTMOY_Gw&s=09
Just came across this and found it funny and relevant to the thread
Quote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 09:12:08 PMQuote from: Emphyrio on December 05, 2018, 04:41:35 PMThere's a big hullabaloo about this Christmas song being banned by certain radio stations. This is only the latest in a very, very long list of things that are/have been censored. Is it partly due to me being an old grumpy fucker or has the world finally gone mad? Historical statues being knocked, , certain movies not being screened any more, fear of even speaking out with any sort of more traditional opinions.... Where does it end?
Any of this overly PC nonsense boil yer bloods or is it just me?
https://x.com/TheMonologist/status/1847346477925871850?t=uPBE1xd-9odictkTMOY_Gw&s=09
Just came across this and found it funny and relevant to the thread
Got the work email invite to the 'End of Year Celebrations' night out. It hasn't been called the Christmas party for the last 2 years. Fuckin drips
Quote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 09:12:08 PMQuote from: Emphyrio on December 05, 2018, 04:41:35 PMhttps://x.com/TheMonologist/status/1847346477925871850?t=uPBE1xd-9odictkTMOY_Gw&s=09
Just came across this and found it funny and relevant to the thread
:laugh:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-to-be-a-white-ally-to-people-of-color/
Here's another awfully racist article from a few years back that highlights the stupidity that has taken over the world. If you think it's not racist, just flip the colour of people in the headline and think again. I actually can't believe how far we've gone backwards in terms of the whole racist thing since about the 2000s and it's all tied to American identity politics shit. Sad really to think about how we imported that shit to Europe as well. Anyway the article is 5 years old so it's nothing new or anything I just thought it odd that stuff like that can be published and thought of as anti racist rather than the horribly divisive shit it is. I'm hoping the pendulum swings back again sooner rather than later
That is shocking. I found especially racist the one that said, "Crackers are poisoning the genes of our people!"
The fact that black supremacy shit can be headlined and white supremacy shit can't is entirely the fault of the crackers
The Dáil held a minutes silence for George Floyd sure. Such cringeworthy bullshit, but it did set Mattie McGrath off which of course is always an event in itself.
'Showboating! Nothing to do with us! Load of nonsense':)
Mattie's question about missing money to Martin this week, and Martin's subsequent refusal to answer says a lot about the state of politics in this country. Place is a shithole in political terms.
Actually, on a bit of a tangent, but why have over half of Fine Gael incumbents declared that they won't run this time? It's absolutely unprecedented but is getting little attention on the whole. It's very odd, unless taken in the context that they know they will be crucified by the populace that they purport to represent but have not represented at all.
Apart from Mattie and Peadar Toibín, every man Jack in that house is compromised, a bullshitter or a globalist minion.
The less said about Sinn Féin the better.
A lot of hysteria about the Freedom Party getting in, Nazis etc (they aren't) but if you examine their policies, it's not a mystery why a party like that is getting elected. We have no credible alternative, it's so depressing.
The global economic system is the true enemy. We've lost sight of the transcendent and embraced materialism to such an extent that corporations are dictating culture - an army of cheap labour imported thanks to the breakdown of borders. It's gas, the left wing doing the bidding, inadvertently, of these cunts. Why do you think the strong woman is promoted so heavily, get these bitches into a cubicle work work work, her offspring would be too pricey in wages, we'll just import a new working class from the third world. Any fucker mouths off about it on the internet? We'll get them cancelled if they are famous, and thrown in the jail if they aren't. Traditionalism and nationalism? We'll call them fascists and scare them into silence. Fucking masterful.
Anyways go on, talkcha.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 20, 2024, 04:21:32 PMActually, on a bit of a tangent, but why have over half of Fine Gael incumbents declared that they won't run this time? It's absolutely unprecedented but is getting little attention on the whole. It's very odd, unless taken in the context that they know they will be crucified by the populace that they purport to represent but have not represented at all.
They're so tone deaf I dont think they believe they'llbe hammered. Sure Varadkar didn't get a seat in his own constituency last time until something like the fourth round, and they thought it was a good idea to make him taoiseach. His own neighbours didn't even want the prick
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 20, 2024, 04:59:14 PMWe've lost sight of the transcendent and embraced materialism to such an extent that corporations are dictating culture - an army of cheap labour imported thanks to the breakdown of borders. It's gas, the left wing doing the bidding, inadvertently, of these cunts. Why do you think the strong woman is promoted so heavily, get these bitches into a cubicle work work work, her offspring would be too pricey in wages, we'll just import a new working class from the third world.
Up until a little over 100 years ago the women
and children of the poor were in fields, factories, sweat shops, etc., day in day out because the working class were paid so little it was impossible for families to survive unless every member contributed. It was a genuine "leftist" movement who progressively changed that situation and, for a while, it was indeed possible for working class and middle class families to survive on a single full-time income. Pick up a history book and see what manner of folk fought tooth and nail against the labour and civic reforms which collectively constructed that reality. And today too there is still a minority/genuine left pushing for the kind of cost of living conditions the "trads" now like to reminisce about while pouring most of their energy into a basketful of -phobias.
I'm not disputing any of that, bar the last sentence.
Some of the genuine left, past and present like Howard Zinn, Chomsky, Magalurski etc, Jaysus even comedians like Jimmy Dore, many strike a chord with right thinking people. Chomsky is a true leftist, a wit and an intellectual. Doesn't excuse Putin but critiques NATO double dealing and expansionism as provocation where as the faux left BBC has strict reporting guidelines on that conflict, and must add the caveat of either 'unprovoked' or 'illegal' to Russian activity and will never report Ukrainian losses.
My point is, the laissez-faire free market doctrine was a counterpoint to the Soviet style planned economic system, and the former won the argument decisively. Many on the right then gave this imperfect system a kind of religious character, manifested in Thatcher and Reagenomics, abandoning the domaines of philosophy and culture which have since become wokified. What the right also gets badly wrong is that the vanguard of the free market promote the ideologies that it tends to rail against, DEI, the deification of the homosexual, NSG, the list goes on. 1989/90 was a sliding doors moment for the west and it's been fucked up so badly you'd despair for the species.
As for the left, think of your striker miner in Wales, 1983. Do you think he gave a fuck about any of that pish? But now, big money has hoodwinked the left as beautifully as it has the right, turned them into frontshwein in an engineered culture war, doing their bidding while the wealth gap expands and you can't buy a house.
Common cause is what these cunts are terrified of. Schwab, the Clintons, money lending cunts and Tony Blair are your enemy, not the lad who is startled at the dilution of the character of his nation and culture.
Your history is a bit mucked up there. Laissez-faire was around for decades prior to even the USSR, let alone the Soviet style planned economic system. The "robber barons" of the 19th century (for the most part devout believers who considered their wealth both a blessing from God and a sign that the Almighty had chosen them to dictate social structure) owed their existence to laissez-faire free market doctrines. Following repeated failures of laissez-faire, culminating in the Great Depression of 1930, there was added momentum to progressive movements which led to Roosevelt starting to roll out his New Deal policies in 1933. In light of these two critical moments in US history (Great Depression + New Deal), liberal economists and thinkers went back to the drawing board aiming to find a new liberalism capable of encompassing and surmounting both laissez-faire and progressivism: the "neoliberalism" that was first christened as such in 1938, under the primary influence of Walter Lippmann. A more laissez-faire tipped "neoliberalism" (inspired by Hayek rather than Lippmann) manifest under Pinochet, Thatcher and Reagan, but it still wasn't full on laissez-faire: the government still had a strong hand over the market, albeit they only exercised it to ensure continued market dominance whenever this wavered (e.g. bank bailouts, corporate bailouts, etc., which happened in more or less equal measure under Nixon (GOP), Carter (DNC), and Reagan (GOP)).
Your Trumps, Murdochs, Musks, etc., dream of a return to and global expansion of laissez-faire and so cumulatively spend billions startling "the lad" who has never had his eyes fully opened to how the Trumps, Murdochs, Musks, etc., are cynically exploiting him specifically even more than the Clintons, Schwabs, Gateses, etc., are. They tell him "the left" and neoliberalism and immigrants poorer than him or people superficially different to him (superficial = not in terms of concrete resource wealth) are responsible for his discontent. Your Clintons, Schwabs, Gateses, etc., want to further entrench neoliberalism and so cumulatively spend billions engineering global society in their particular favour: they're less likely to willfully crush their own fellow citizens "at home" than the laissez-faire crowd but have no problem crushing humans located far enough away not to upset their domestic electorate and/or clients, and of course they're just as resistant to any kind of full-on resource equality as the laissez-faire crowd.
So since the aim of both elite groups, the Trumps, Murdochs, Musks, etc., and the Clintons, Schwabs, Blairs, etc., is to gather power and resources towards the top, no one on the genuine left (your Chomskys, Corbyns, Graebers, etc.) has ~ever been hoodwinked by any of them. But this same left also won't reject anyone on the basis of race, origin, religion, gender, sexuality, etc. Because their deal is equality for all. And this makes it just as easy for (neo)liberals to pay lip service to "leftist" diversity as it is for the right/far right to stoke and leverage a diverse host of facile human prejudices against any genuine left movements. And as for mass migration specifically, the genuine left also tend to be the only ones actively concerned with improving living conditions in the regions people are migrating away from, while (neo)liberals and the right just as actively participate in exacerbating them.
It seems a minefield to navigate, but when you set out from a place of "every human being on the planet deserves sufficient resources and freedoms to live with a minimum of dignity, regardless of who they are or where they may find themselves at a given time" it's actually surprisingly easy.
How far do you take the concept of equality for all? Or social justice (for all ha ha).
Are those ideals, in your opinion sacrosanct to the point that they can't be compromised upon? The transition from minority rule in Rhodesia to Zimbabwean 'democracy, for example. This is going to be highly unpalatable but hear me out.
The Rhodesians managed the economy better than the Zanu PF government, they were innovative, resilient and had no legalised segregation like RSA (but clearly discriminated against blacks).
They built a utopia in Sub Saharan Africa which was by some distance the best place to live on the continent. Zimbabwe quickly became a brutal, totalitarian and oppressive hellhole with almost the entire white population taking flight. They have no idea how to run anything besides propaganda, the economy is in tatters and the quality of public services is appalling. Living standards were comparable to Western Europe (granted, without equality), had the highest literacy rates in Africa for blacks , albeit few had voting rights (not all whites could vote either)
Quoting Morgan Tsvangirai Former Prime minister of Zimbabwe, "If Smith was a black man, I would say that he was the best Prime Minister that Zimbabwe ever had". (Referring to Ian Smith, last PM).
Look at Zimbabwe now the economy is non-existent, brutal repression of dissidents hyperinflation, and a Marxist dictatorship led by senile old men.
Before you accuse me of racism or white supremacy or whatever, my question is (and a similar question could be be posed about Cuba), is equality for ALL always the holy grail, even if equality for all means equality of misery?
Quite a few Russians who are old enough will tell you it wasn't so bad in the USSR, but almost all would tell you that the only equality bit was poverty.
First, as I've said before, imo any dictatorship is first and foremost a dictatorship: whether it is superficially a neoliberal capitalist one (e.g. Pinochet) or a "Marxist"-Leninist one (e.g. Zimbabwe), etc., should imo always be considered as secondary. In other words, I don't think any socio-economic system can be judged on the basis of what it produced under a dictatorship, especially any violently repressive one. Second, as I also explained somewhere recently in this morass, I don't personally consider Leninism to be a form of Marxism, or at the very least only as a wholly "heretical" form of it. Mugabe self-identified as a Marxist-Leninist, i.e., as far as I'm concerned, not a Marxist at all. Indeed, the core thing Lenin altered about Marxism was the fact that, in its original form, it simply didn't allow for dictatorship (setting aside globally applicable "tyranny of the masses" criticisms of any form of democracy).
Bizarrely, my own father (very much white, for the sake of anyone reading who's never had the pleasure of seeing my pasty face in real life) moved to Zimbabwe just a couple of years after independence and stayed there the rest of his life, though that direction of migration was indeed very much the exception.
I went to see Lenin in his mausoleum recently, I've seen one or two members of this board looking worse after a night on the Christopher Reeve!
You'd be best advised to keep the Lenin is a heretic talk to a low voice in Russia, lads still have a fondness for him, 'tovarish ulianov'. I even know cunts birthday (April 22, I really hope it's yours too😅) and I have trouble recalling my wife's.
I share my birthday with a far greater hero than Lenin ever was: Packie Bonner :laugh:
Self-proclaimed Irish traditional Catholics: The woke liberals only call us fascists to scare us into silence!
Also self-proclaimed Irish traditional Catholics: "Welcome to our book burning"
https://x.com/AndyHeasman2/status/1848280978428760480
:D
Heasman is an agent provocateur.
So not only did he buy the books, but he's now advertising them for free. Brilliant.
The Warriors is being rebooted as a concept album. With Cyrus, and the entire Warriors gang, as women.
Because of Gamergate.
:laugh:
Speaking of Gamergate:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/oct/26/fandom-has-toxified-the-world-watchmen-author-alan-moore-on-superheroes-comicsgate-and-trump
Paul Murphy:
Gives a national press interview heralding the fact that his newborn baby was neither a boy nor a girl and would decide themselves in time.
Some public: "good man Paul, great Liberal values there"
Some public: "what a spastic"
Some public: *shrug*
Healy-Rae: "you don't even know if your own child is a boy or a girl"
Paul Murphy: "that should be taken back and it is insulting"
Me: how is it insulting if he's so proud of it as to be putting it in the national press that he doesn't know if it's a boy or a girl?. Like what's his game, does he believe that or not, and if he does well then that's like saying to a Christian "you believe in God". Well then that's hardly insulting is it, seeing as that's what they're into? Fuck me he is some knob or fanny, whichever he likes or maybe even both at once.
Do you think this is a way to be going on in the Dáil?
QuoteMr Healy Rae ... claimed that Mr Murphy and his fellow PBP TDs "voted for the carbon tax and you said it actually was not enough".
When Mr Murphy replied that they did not [which is true: PBP did not vote for the carbon tax and have actually called for it to be abolished], Mr Healy Rae replied: "What do you know? Sure you do not know whether your own baby is a boy or a girl."
Mr Murphy then told Mr Healy Rae to "fuck off".
I also happen to think Paul Murphy's thing with his kid is nonsense, but it's quite obviously Healy-Rae who was in the wrong here.
Oh no it's not a defence of Healy-rae at all, it's just the ideological pickle Murphy finds himself in by saying it's offensive. He's just an utter utter tool
Both gimps. And why oh why does your pal (and mine!) Mattie have him in that fuckin' flat cap sat next to him? Takes away a bit of the man's aura.
And the cunt is making a fortune off the IPAS as well the bollix
Murphy is a detestable prick. Can't stand the cunt. He was delighted to have a rent-a-mob for the Jobstown protests, and was equally quick to turn on them for the anti-immigration stuff. I'd have very limited sympathy for him in any given scenario but yeah, that comment was a bit petty. That said, if you knew the way Kerry people are, it's no surprise that Healy Rae came out with that comment. Can't remember if it was him or the brother that looked for a higher drink driving threshold in the kingdom, you know purely to accommodate the local lad who absolutely needs to have eight pints of Guinness before getting behind the wheel.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
He fuckin did and all!!
But it didn't work
:'(
Edit: Murphy plays the far left poster boy very well, to the detriment of centre leftism as a whole in this country. Much the same as Justin Barrett does for centre right viewpoints.
Pantomime villains who only further the cause of the big two, year after year.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 06, 2024, 06:55:56 PMBoth gimps. And why oh why does your pal (and mine!) Mattie have him in that fuckin' flat cap sat next to him? Takes away a bit of the man's aura.
We passed mattie on the motorway a few weeks ago. A battered early 90s berlingo or the like with shite all over it :laugh:
Page one of how to be a cute hoor - don't let on!
I see there's a new social specifically for people who are offended - Bluesky.
Saw a few threads of it posted on twitter. What is it with supposedly educated people loving the echo chamber so much? Are they really that fragile?
Musk literally added a feature whereby users could pay to have their voice echo louder. Or rather, he replaced a feature which used to serve to make signal stand out from noise into a feature which amplified echo into noise. Share some of the posts you saw on Twitter, I don't have a Bluesky account but I'd be curious to see what the Musk fanboys (and anyone who thinks Twitter is better under Musk is surely a fanboy) are coming up with to smear it.
I'm not on it. Just search the bluesky hashtag and see for yourself. Again, what is it with educated folk loving the echo chamber so much.
"Oh people disagree with me here, it must be they who are wrong"
The Guardian is the best example, leaving Twitter because it's too political. Absolute state of it.
Also, for the record, I think Twitter has gone down the pan altogether with Musk and the blue tick crowd but the point still stands about the echo chamber.
Another example is Truth Social for the trump crowd
Couldn't care less what The Guardian do. But regarding "educated folk", 'Academic Twitter' used to be absolutely thriving, effervescent even, but after Musk's take over many researchers simply found it less and less beneficial having to deal with absolute mooks whose inane comments were automatically placed up top because of their blue ticks, not to mention the explosion of bots, porn accounts, crypto shite. People like that, who do want to have broad but intelligent interdisciplinary exchanges with a minimum of interference from trolls, what would you recommend they do if not seek somewhere that resembles the Twitter most of them started out on? I don't know if Bluesky is an echo chamber, but I do know that Twitter is becoming more and more of a cesspit, so I don't blame anyone for leaving. I've seen several academics (including Trinity neuroscientist Kevin Mitchell who happened to be on Blindboy just there this week) talk about a kind of responsibility to stay on Twitter, to not abandon it to pseudoscience quackery, so that perspective is definitely represented among "educated folk" too. But I think the rest are more exhausted with bullshit than fleeing "offense" per se. And the amplification of utter bullshit, beginning with Musk and his hand-curated own account-hyperamplifying algorithm, is just that: exhausting.
Blindboy has me blocked on Twitter and I am almost certain I've never interacted with him. That's his right though and he will never have to see my dissent so what's the problem?
Look, if I leave a post on here and everyone disagrees do I head over to burning metal where people will agree with me or do I just get on with it? It's public fucking social media like.
Musk is a tool who bought himself into government for 44 billion dollars. I'm not a fan. Anyone can curate their own timeline. There is a "Following" tab and all the tools anyone could need on the "for you" one to sort it out. Nobody complained when the likes of covid dissent was beaten down out of existence because academia thought it was fine.
Going back a long way on here I complained when David Icke was banned from Twitter even though I think he's a pure stook but now nobody seems to be getting banned and people don't like that. It's weird to me because free speech doesn't have to mean I like what is being said or agree with it.
You're presuming people are leaving because they can't cope with being "offended." I'm saying I don't think that is the case, not for the most part anyway.
So, they're leaving because they think that too many people of a lower intellect are interacting on their posts?
It's hurting their narcissism, like?
They're leaving because it's become absolutely head-wrecking and because the owner is not only the biggest but also the loudest loser on the planet and because they prefer a place that they don't have to constantly curate in order for it to be simply usable...? There's no end of reasons before jumping to "They're snowflakes!"
I honestly think they're all narcissists to the extent that they think that anyone who disagrees must be of a lower intellect and how dare they call anything out and now there are more calling them out than agreeing they can't handle it. There's a fucking block button but that's not enough because other people will still be able to see that somebody disagreed with them. Definitely narcissism and definitely weak and the state of them in fact thinking about it and being somewhat of a narcissist myself, I have come to the conclusion that these people are the weakest possible intellects because they are so fragile. They deserve to live in the echo chamber, unchallenged forever.
like how dare they
The Guardian
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
It's not the fact of disagreeing so much as it is the manner of it. I mean, the kind of male who arse licks your Elon Musks or Andrew Tates do tend to be fawning, sycophantic morons, and that's the majority of blue tick accounts, but their manner of disagreeing amounts to "You're the stupidest fuck I've ever known, I saw Huberman on Rogan so here's how I know more than you." Your arguments for staying on 'X' while there is competition that does what certain people are looking for better than it does are weak af, sorry.
No you're wrong here. I'm not making an argument for staying on twitter at all, I'm just calling out the shitty pseudo intellectual angle of it being beneath people who think that they're something super as long as everyone keeps telling them they are.
It's as weak as shit. Weak intellects require the agreement of the lesser folk to validate themselves. Why won't their opinion or argument stand up to the criticism of the supposedly and presumably weak folk then, if it's so profound?
Likes of Stephen King, one of my favourite authors but a political retard would be a prime example but do you think for a minute that I'd give a flying fuck about his politics when I'm reading his books? Well, no is the answer. No is the answer because that's retarded and off he can go to the echo chamber where everyone agrees with his political takes even though it has fuck all to do with the reason people like him at all in the first place.
He has a fucked up looking head on him as well.
Just look at how much you disagree with me and yet I haven't once been annoyed by a single thing you've said as many times as I've thought the opposite.
Well maybe a few times, but we are adults and not spoilt children who can't handle the idea of being wrong.
Blue-sky and Truth social and the myriad of even weaker alternatives are for people who aren't grown up enough to handle a bit of disagreement.
For example, how bad would this board be if I simply quoted your post and said how great and on point it was?
I'd rather enjoy myself with friends anywhere online than revel in the misery of twitter.
You do know Bluesky is 5 years old and was started inside Twitter, right? In that regard, in initial intent at least, it's nothing like Truth Social or Gab. And again, re echo chambers, 'X' is now a chamber rigged in one very pronounced direction, there's simply no denying that. Maybe it was oriented the other direction before, but not nearly to the same algorithmic extent. If people think quitting is giving the finger to Musk they should go for it, fuck him. I'm on there but I'd be grand with it going the way of MySpace or Bebo. The pushback against folk quitting all sounds a little too motivated for my liking. Or all that in just two words: Fuck Musk.
Now, beer time!
Quote from: ochoill on November 16, 2024, 05:44:36 PMI'd rather enjoy myself with friends anywhere online than revel in the misery of twitter.
Pure soy lol
Quote from: astfgyl on November 16, 2024, 03:44:45 PMSo, they're leaving because they think that too many people of a lower intellect are interacting on their posts?
It's hurting their narcissism, like?
I think it's more the case that people are just getting sick of it. It used to be OK but now is a vile social media interface. I have an account just so I can see a twitter post that's linked somewhere. Tbh ill probably delete is soon.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 16, 2024, 07:51:49 PMQuote from: astfgyl on November 16, 2024, 03:44:45 PMSo, they're leaving because they think that too many people of a lower intellect are interacting on their posts?
It's hurting their narcissism, like?
I think it's more the case that people are just getting sick of it. It used to be OK but now is a vile social media interface. I have an account just so I can see a twitter post that's linked somewhere. Tbh ill probably delete is soon.
Is it because of your political leanings, by any chance?
Quote from: astfgyl on November 16, 2024, 09:15:11 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on November 16, 2024, 07:51:49 PMQuote from: astfgyl on November 16, 2024, 03:44:45 PMSo, they're leaving because they think that too many people of a lower intellect are interacting on their posts?
It's hurting their narcissism, like?
I think it's more the case that people are just getting sick of it. It used to be OK but now is a vile social media interface. I have an account just so I can see a twitter post that's linked somewhere. Tbh ill probably delete is soon.
Is it because of your political leanings, by any chance?
It isn't at all. It's the level of virtuol that is on the site. Like there's hate spreading everywhere online now. Bit like road rage where people lose their shit in a car, they do the same online. I just see any merit in twitter anymore if every thread descends into a left vs right bollocks argument.
That's another thing altogether. Everything is now framed left or right. What happened to right or wrong.
Lol I said that about a year ago and all I got was called out for saying it's only right or wrong rather than directional..
I could find thousands of threads on twitter from thousands of accounts that aren't political at all. There's nobody forcing anyone to read political shite if they don't want to, that's all simply in people's heads.
Like absolutely it's a cesspit if I want it to be but equally it isn't at the exact same time if I want it like that. If I see stuff that annoys me I can just hit the 3 dots menu on every single tweet I'm not interested in and pick the "I'm not interested in this" option.
I have a telly. I don't go looking at it with the intention of finding something I don't want to watch, do I?
Seems to me to be a very childish way to look at the whole thing, to expect it to just automatically say the things I like hearing.
Oh lord above. I never expect it to say the things I like. I fucking hate twitter. Is that enough of a reason.
I got rid of it about a year ago, not missed at all. I only really used it for a few music, and football accounts, but every one just started getting spammed to bits with absolute shite. Tried blocking some for a while but there was always hundreds more to take their place
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 17, 2024, 08:56:52 AMOh lord above. I never expect it to say the things I like. I fucking hate twitter. Is that enough of a reason.
Yes that's a great reason not to go on it. Much like myself with tiktok, Instagram, Facebook and whatever else there is.
Quote from: Trev on November 17, 2024, 09:05:10 AMI got rid of it about a year ago, not missed at all. I only really used it for a few music, and football accounts, but every one just started getting spammed to bits with absolute shite. Tried blocking some for a while but there was always hundreds more to take their place
The porn bots are so problematic on there that I have my account set to private to get rid of them, but I've a great timeline on there now with stuff like mysteries, art, music, soccer galore and animals eating each other and no porn bots at all so I'm happy enough tipping away with that.
I just think this whole thing of people throwing theirs toys out of the pram because trump won or there's pro trump stuff on there is silly because it's so easy get rid of all that shit from one's feed.
I'm not in defence of twitter at all like what would I care if people used it or not? I give most of my Internet time on this site anyway but even here I don't get my knickers in a twist if people disagree. There's plenty of threads I can look at if I don't like a particular one
QuoteI just think this whole thing of people throwing theirs toys out of the pram because trump won or there's pro trump stuff on there is silly because it's so easy get rid of all that shit from one's feed.
Musk put enormous and blatantly dishonest effort into Trump's victory. If large accounts (Guardian, King, etc.) who de facto generate revenue for Musk via their use of Twitter are pissed off enough with him over
how he helped Trump win then (on top of the fact that he's shat on the entire user experience with both his blue tick shite and self-amplifying algorithm), why the hell would they not leave? You haven't given a single good reason and are essentially just repeating divisive blue tick discourse bollocks over it tbh.
What blue tick bollix? Give me an example
Why can't the likes of The Guardian's opinions hold up in the face of a bit of disagreement? It was an obviously politically biased move on their part and it's a shame because I enjoyed that paper up to a few years ago before they got so obvious.
As for King, I think it's a pity that he's so outspoken about all this because there's likely many people who will miss out on his books over it who simply don't care about his political views one way or another.
Jack Dorsey banned Trump. Musk didn't ban Harris or Biden even though he had a personal interest in getting his feet under Trump's table.
What way was he dishonest about it actually? I don't like the cunt but you might as well give an example instead of regurgitating The Guardian style talking points
They didn't complain when Jack Dorsey was making the site biased towards Biden did they? No, they never said anything about it because it aligned with their own views but in my own view, censorship like that is always wrong even when I agree with what's promoted.
Authoritarianism never appealed to me, and I dislike things as much as the next fellow but I'm not fragile enough to think the crushing of dissent is a good thing.
Shining a light on things is better than pretending they don't exist and I think the general lurch towards more right wing views on a lot of cases can be directly blamed on it going too far the other way up to now. It's reactionary and I'd love to see a bit more centrism in general but now people are just digging their heels in and the conditions were right for a yoke like trump to reappear.
Now I see folk on the right celebrating potential forthcoming authoritarianism as if it's grand when it agrees with them and it's back to square one again, with the likes of Bluesky being another Gab effort with opposite leanings.
Nobody has really learned anything from what I can see.
Thank god for funny cats, I suppose...
And retro gaming too, I've been filling my feed with that lately as well. And old photography and accounts that don't lean one way or the other or if they do, I don't know about it.
Didn't buy myself a blue tick either because I don't really have anything to say on there that I feel needs amplifying
Lot of folks leave because despite muting all the far right shite it'll still turn up on your feed.
Old Twitter used to be a bit of fun but fucking hell it's a cesspit of constant Bitcoin/invest bro/gambling ads spam or some horrid cunt spouting racist shit.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 17, 2024, 02:26:46 AMThere's nobody forcing anyone to read political shite if they don't want to, that's all simply in people's heads.
Ah I dunno about that. I don't follow anyone on my account, I have never clicked like on any post and my for you page always pushes spastics like that Mick O'Keefe lad. Blue tick comments pushed to the top are usually either porn/violent content bots or the terminally online mongs.
As you said you can try get rid of this by being active on the "not interested" button and making sure to follow accounts you do like to try and encourage more positive content but my experience with a totally blank account has been that you get pushed this right v left bollixology by default.
Honestly if I hadn't already been on there and following a lot of things I liked, I'd have stayed away. I get those things as well on my For You but a bit of mute and don't interact and it soon reverts back to things you like.
The algorithm is designed to make you interact so I just stopped interaction with things that infuriate me as well.
Won't apply to you if you don't follow anything, but the following tab is right there as well.
My television has the TLC channel on it which is surely the worst possible entertainment but all I have to do is not watch it and it's not there then.
I just like the format really, and usually use it as a starting point for reading interesting things. I used to have things like Derek Blighe cropping up but I just don't interact and if I keep getting it, I use the three dots menu and see it off. Like the last thing I was reading was stuff from the CIA reading room about trying to get a lad do remote viewing of Mars a million years ago. No political bent to it, just fun reading
You still weren't able to give a single reason why any entity who doesn't want to generate revenue for Musk should stay on 'X' and continue to do so.
I don't think there'll be any convincing you, even in light of the Democrats accepting the latest election result (as anyone with an eye on reality as opposed to both sides denialism knew they would) in total contrast to MAGA's behavior 4 years ago, but in the context Twitter banned Trump he had actually gone beyond the political pale to an absolutely unprecedented level and had used Twitter to help him amplify absolute falsehood to millions. Musk uses his account in the same way, amplifying pure falsehood left, right and centre. Fuck him and let the exodus continue: nobody owes his platform any loyalty or anything at all.
So not giving me any examples of my blue tick talking points then?
The notion that people are quitting because they can't handle disagreement or pushback is a way of distracting attention from the over-riding and numerous other directly Musk-related reasons people have for wanting to quit. If, in a pro-Musk blue tick manner, someone wanted to make it not about Musk, they'd claim it was because these accounts simply can't handle disagreement. I don't think that is the reason at all. I think it's because they're sick of Musk very, very, very blatantly gaming the system in the direction of his own politics. Politics which are objectively more radical (i.e. MAGA) than "the other side" (again, see MAGA 2020 election result response vs DNC 2024 election result response as just one example, but an example which speaks much louder than both-siders want to admit). Anyone who saw MAGA's rejection of the 2020 results, then MAGA's preparation to reject the 2024 results if and only if they didn't go their way, and then DNC's immediate acceptance of the 2024 results... yet still both-sides this thing is, or has let themselves become, soft in the head quite frankly. DNC bad, MAGA worse, and Musk = MAGA's loudest mouthpiece.
I was straight on about the Democrats reaction to the loss and said I was wrong in thinking they'd say something about it so that doesn't apply to me.
How is what they're doing not simply throwing their toys out of the pram now that the overall political bent of the thing is not their own politics?
Again, where was any of this said when Jack Dorsey was using it to benefit the left because of his own politics?
I'll tell you where it was, it was with the lads who sulked off and joined Gab and Truth Social and they were sulking then just as the leftists are sulking now but the leftists think that gaming the system towards their beliefs is right and proper but not when it goes the other way.
Anyway, it's not like people can't just go on whatever Internet they want and have themselves fortified that way if that's what feels good for them. I wouldn't even know they were going or gone only they made such a show of fucking off. Trying to make on that it's something more profound than being a sulk though is laughable.
Musk is after buying a spot in government for 44 billion, trump is back in the white House, politics is as divided as it ever was. None of that is good but I'm still tipping away reading things I do like so after the initial shock of a timeline full of mad shit to get me to disagree and engage I just tidied it up no big deal.
All the Social sites have a shelf life anyway and people will simply get bored and go to something else eventually
Lads, arguing over the pros and cons of Twitter is totally pointless. I learned a long time ago, that it is totally removed from the real world so whether something upsets you or falls completely in line with your thinking, it is just a waste of time. I have never been a twitter user but seeing other people's tweets designed to elicit a reaction... it's easy to get riled up. Until it dawned on me that it is a world unto itself and actually doesn't represent reality.
Ah yeah you're right there. None of the socials are representative of real life. Just look at the way people we've met in real life act on them vs the version we'd bump into down the shops or wherever. At the end of the day none of the things we see amplified on there even come up in most conversations. Usually it's just sport, music and how's life etc with a load of slagging and laughing.
Funnily enough I don't use them to connect with people I know in real life at all, just to read shit
Like just looking at stupid shit that I was getting annoyed by towards the start of the thread, none of it has impacted me in reality. It's easy enough to get annoyed by shit day to day, I just think you're needlessly drawing it on yourself even engaging with Twitter. I've no doubt it had its uses previously but by the sounds of it you have to put too much effort to moderate your page/profile/whatever you call it.
So why the emotional investment over accounts quitting it astfyl? :laugh:
I'd love to see the place crumble around Musk. I'd also love to see his place crumble around Zuckerberg, despite also using that. I don't really get the mindset of being anything other than joyful at the prospect of either of those things happening to either of those grossly wealthy pricks of individuals, regardless of what brought it about. Musk and Trump really have pulled off something in convincing the wet behind the ears that either of them are anything different to the Zuckerbergs, Gateses, Clintons, etc.: anything other than "the man", "the system."
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 17, 2024, 07:22:11 PMSo why the emotional investment over accounts quitting it astfyl? :laugh:
I'd love to see the place crumble around Musk. I'd also love to see his place crumble around Zuckerberg, despite also using that. I don't really get the mindset of being anything other than joyful at the prospect of either of those things happening to either of those grossly wealthy pricks of individuals, regardless of what brought it about. Musk and Trump really have pulled off something in convincing the wet behind the ears that either of them are anything different to the Zuckerbergs, Gateses, Clintons, etc.: anything other than "the man", "the system."
There are genuine people on there who think that Musk combining with Trump is some sort of victory for freedom and all that shit but that's because there are always going to be people like that who can't just look at that for how disgusting it is, without thinking that their favourite big business supporting politicians are somehow better than the other bought off crowd.
I've no emotional investment over folks leaving twitter for their politics. I might get a brief laugh at their sulking but I'll forget all about them as quick as anything while I'm looking at stuff that interests me like feeds from Curiosity Rover or 90s Soccer. It's not like I was following any of them anyway no more than following Musk or Trump, although admittedly Musk always seems to find a way into my feed whether I engage or not.
I do see that Bluesky had it's largest number of complaints and reports in a single day the other day though so they must be getting somewhat popular. Good for them.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-rodrigo-bentancur-ban-son-heung-min-b2646540.html
Back to the regular stuff here. My favourite part is how nobody was offended and both parties said so, but the show must go on regardless. I see the whole team is lined up for re-education as a result. Not to teach them to be better people or anything like that, just so they can learn not to say things at all, ever :laugh:
And now the other side of the coin, we have people complaining that the new Snow White actress has made some sort of comment that has all the people who complain about woke stuff baying for her blood.
Pathetic the way as soon as the tables are turned, that so many instantly become the exact thing they've been complaining about and participate in the exact cancel culture they purport to be against on principle.
So she said something..
So fucking what?
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2024, 01:13:41 PMhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-rodrigo-bentancur-ban-son-heung-min-b2646540.html
Back to the regular stuff here. My favourite part is how nobody was offended and both parties said so, but the show must go on regardless. I see the whole team is lined up for re-education as a result. Not to teach them to be better people or anything like that, just so they can learn not to say things at all, ever :laugh:
Your honour, this is preposterous. I said they all COOK the same!
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2024, 01:13:41 PMhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-rodrigo-bentancur-ban-son-heung-min-b2646540.html
Back to the regular stuff here. My favourite part is how nobody was offended and both parties said so, but the show must go on regardless. I see the whole team is lined up for re-education as a result. Not to teach them to be better people or anything like that, just so they can learn not to say things at all, ever :laugh:
Not overly bothered with this tbh. It was a retarded thing to say on television and anyone with a modicum of cop-on would have known there would be an inevitable fallout. He's got a 7 game ban, during which presumably he'll still get his grossly inflated weekly wage (plus a fine which would equate to a mere drop in the ocean for most first-team footballers) so fuck him. Anyone else in the public or private sector would have faced a higher reprimand.
That said though, that should be the end of it and all parties move on.
I think if Son wasn't bothered then that would be enough of it. If Son was bothered then they could have it or themselves at training or whatever.
Anyway I'm sure he's very sorry for what he said and now believes he deserved his punishment or something
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 18, 2024, 06:38:08 PMYour honour, this is preposterous. I said they all COOK the same!
I think even that is forbidden now. We must not describe things as we see them
Going back to the Twitter exodus thing, here's an overview of perspectives from the neuroscience portion of the academia portion of it. Personally, I still don't have a Bluesky account, but it's seeming pretty clear that next time I have some new research finished that I want to promote/discuss among the community, it would be shooting myself in the foot not to do so over there too... and perhaps between now and then it may even have become a relative waste of time to do so (to any level of academic detail at least) on 'X'. The number of accounts I follow has dropped by a few dozen over the last month, and though I haven't checked, I can pretty much guarantee they're all academic accounts. Everyone has been sick of Musk's boosted blue tick army of absolute bad faith sycophants for a while now, and his electioneering seems to me to have merely been the straw that broke the patience of many.
https://www.thetransmitter.org/community/huge-influx-of-neuroscientists-migrates-to-bluesky/?swcfpc=1
Ah sure lookit if it's a better place to discuss that type of thing then sure it's no harm if it doesn't include a load of right wing leaning non academics calling everything out for the sake of it.
It's a pity politics got into academia at all for the most part
So now the song "Do they know it's Christmas" is in the firing line for not being representative of Africa today, well it was written 40 years ago and not today, didn't see them complaining then.
Is it actually :laugh:
State of that
Created a Bluesky account this morning to have a proper scope of things over there (and, primarily, to procrastinate). Used a Firefox plug-in to identify accounts I was following on Twitter which had accounts over there: a full third of them pinged, a lot more than I was expecting.
Uh oh, looks like nobody wants to taste Gregg Wallaces vegetables anymore!!
There has to be some decent puns to come out of this one surely. Saying that, I haven't seen any yet
Wallace suspended by BBC over inappropriate sexual conduct.
Gromit moves to new home in Battersea.
I once asked Gregg Wallace about his favourite entrées
"In her gob and up the shitter" , he said
https://youtu.be/A08itm4AFgQ?si=a9aj2mEpnywknoH_
Looks like Heston Blumenthal is a cabbage now, too. I shouldn't laugh, but herbaderbaderbaaa...
Yet another chapter in 'Beware the Puritans':
2024: "Doctor and former Fine Gael councillor Bill Tormey has been before Dublin District Court, charged with a human trafficking offence and possession of child pornography images."
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1213/1486350-bill-tormey-court/
2012: "[FG Councillor Bill Tormey] said marriage among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people is "philosophically incorrect" due to its inability to produce children."
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/fury-over-fg-man-rant-on-gay-marriage/28016764.html
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 14, 2024, 01:53:08 PMYet another chapter in 'Beware the Puritans':
2024: "Doctor and former Fine Gael councillor Bill Tormey has been before Dublin District Court, charged with a human trafficking offence and possession of child pornography images."
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1213/1486350-bill-tormey-court/
2012: "[FG Councillor Bill Tormey] said marriage among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people is "philosophically incorrect" due to its inability to produce children."
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/fury-over-fg-man-rant-on-gay-marriage/28016764.html
That's fair scabby!! I actually know his brother would you believe
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 14, 2024, 01:53:08 PMYet another chapter in 'Beware the Puritans':
2024: "Doctor and former Fine Gael councillor Bill Tormey has been before Dublin District Court, charged with a human trafficking offence and possession of child pornography images."
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1213/1486350-bill-tormey-court/
2012: "[FG Councillor Bill Tormey] said marriage among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people is "philosophically incorrect" due to its inability to produce children."
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/fury-over-fg-man-rant-on-gay-marriage/28016764.html
You can't make this shit up, how many times have we seen this same story play out. Scum.
Came across a meme a few minutes ago and I dunno if it's a new or old one, but does anyone think that the next tarzan could be played by a black actor, like was touted for bond films (although touted and happened are obviously not the same thing at all) etc?
Not getting into which films were and weren't already done in such a way but the tarzan one did get me thinking a bit about the funny side of it all
There could definitely be a decent take on it for sure provided you had good writers but the last one was a bomb and Warner's will play it safe with guaranteed draws from flogging the dead horse that is their IPs.
Idris Elba would have been a great Bond , but his PR and himself brought up Bond anytime there was a camera present and EON productions aren't fans of Actors going into business for themselves.
Wouldn't have minded Elba as bond at all and can't see how he would break the mould any worse than what has already been done by casting Craig, but thinking of a studio getting Elba to play Tarzan is really giving me a chuckle but it would also be a fairly cool move if people wanted to move on from the whole accusative commentary of actors being picked or not picked for colour.
Ethan Hawke as Shaft would also be another great one that should but won't happen. Actually no, fuck Hawke, it would have to be Nic Cage or nobody
Quote from: astfgyl on February 17, 2025, 03:48:09 PMWouldn't have minded Elba as bond at all and can't see how he would break the mould any worse than what has already been done by casting Craig, but thinking of a studio getting Elba to play Tarzan is really giving me a chuckle but it would also be a fairly cool move if people wanted to move on from the whole accusative commentary of actors being picked or not picked for colour.
Ethan Hawke as Shaft would also be another great one that should but won't happen. Actually no, fuck Hawke, it would have to be Nic Cage or nobody
If Nic Cage played Shaft I'd be the first in line at the cinema.
Be straight in there meself tbh :laugh:
Martin Luther King Biopic starring Rob Schneider can't be that far off
Stephen Seagal is Lee Scratch Perry.
He's already good at reggae🤣
They should do a reboot of Boyz N Da Hood but cast it all white, and instead of gang violence you could have people being polite and washing their cars.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 17, 2025, 11:40:27 PMThey should do a reboot of Boyz N Da Hood but cast it all white, and instead of gang violence you could have people being polite and washing their cars.
They could even really fuck with people and spell the title correctly as well :laugh:
Honestly it will probably have to get that stupid before it cools off but every time I think things can't get sillier, they always do so I'm not entirely confident that there is a real peak to the level of stupid in the world at all
The real NWA, Nice White Adults
Shocking if true. (https://gript.ie/a-statement-by-the-gript-media-management-team/)
Quote from: Trev on February 18, 2025, 01:12:07 PMThe real NWA, Nice White Adults
Please god why can't these things happen just to show up the absurdity of having any agenda at all.
Guarantee the album would be shit though
Did I miss a recent skin-colour swap casting decision or is all this just off the back of a meme?
Quote from: Trev on February 18, 2025, 01:12:07 PMThe real NWA, Nice White Adults
:laugh: brilliant.
Quote from: TheRuts on February 18, 2025, 02:45:58 PMShocking if true. (https://gript.ie/a-statement-by-the-gript-media-management-team/)
Just read that there. It's fine because it's the far right and there's obviously no way that any government would use their state police service as a political tool to quash dissent of any kind. And no way would the gardai ever abuse their powers in any way shape or form. Thank god we don't live in a country like
that
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 18, 2025, 04:13:35 PMDid I miss a recent skin-colour swap casting decision or is all this just off the back of a meme?
I'm fairly sure it's all off the back of a meme unless I'm unknowingly about to be presented with some of the greatest cinematic deviations since Netflix turned everyone black
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/cynthia-erivo-jesus-christ-superstar-hollywood-bowl-1235271283/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/cynthia-erivo-jesus-christ-superstar-hollywood-bowl-1235271283/)
Quote from: TheRuts on February 18, 2025, 08:05:59 PMhttps://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/cynthia-erivo-jesus-christ-superstar-hollywood-bowl-1235271283/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/cynthia-erivo-jesus-christ-superstar-hollywood-bowl-1235271283/)
Yeah there really is no peak to it all at all
Haha, that's pretty good timing alright! A miracle!
Quote from: TheRuts on February 18, 2025, 02:45:58 PMShocking if true. (https://gript.ie/a-statement-by-the-gript-media-management-team/)
Not sure if your "shocking" comment is sarcasm or not, but I'd imagine--notably following Gript's publishing of false information about the Dublin school knife attacker in the context of the biggest criminal social disturbance Dublin has seen in a couple of decades--that it was piss easy to convince any judge to say, "Yeah, fuck 'em, go have a look at their material if you can, plenty of reason to suspect they were in collusion with or helped stoke the criminal elements who were present at Newtown."
Should channels exist for judges to grant gardai such access? Maybe not. Is the opening of those existing channels in this particular case "shocking"? No, not really.
Gript have played martyr victim over Newtown since day 1. Not at all surprising then that McGuirk has been one of the most vocal defenders of Bibi's "poor us" Israel over the last 18 months:
https://gript.ie/ireland-israel-row-continues/
While I disagree with his stance on Israel, his depiction of Irish politicians is spot on.
Aye, fish in a barrel though. Similar to what's happened in the US: folk took MAGA's largely accurate fish-in-a-barrel criticisms of the establishment DNC as evidence that MAGA were themselves better. McGuirk will surely end up in politics himself one day, he's definitely got more of a natural inclination to that game than he does to journalism.
Cause he's a total spin doctor?
Total spin doctor, smarmy prick, thoroughly disingenuous, frequently a gombeen... take your pick :laugh:
I see Stephen King is back on twitter. He didn't last long off it!
They removed the black face episode from Mad Men on Netflix, complete nonsense.
It's been back in since October
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 23, 2025, 04:17:34 PMIt's been back in since October
There was only a brief removal of it in select territories. Was still in the lineup on Prime & Netflix here.
Is "blackface" altogether that racist? I've never really understood the commotion.
Broke: blackface
Woke: corpse paint/whiteface
Aahhh 😂
I don't even think blackface was very racist until it was decided a few years ago that it was very bad. Have done it myself on Halloween a few times but I wouldn't do it now, given that it seems to be intentionally racist now.
Want to go out trick or treating next year? I'll be Gaahl and you can be the Candyman.
As long as it's the race inverted netflix versions, I'm in!
https://x.com/didierdrogba/status/1894749233330229534?t=rAQxrOhiWrXIPk663AksGw&s=19
Looks like we have our new Tarzan!
Although judging by the comments, the world is not quite ready for that yet...
Somebody in Thurles went on an oul spree with a sledgehammer smashing in the windows of all the shops ran by brown fellas in the town the other evening. Smashed up 5 or 6 of them before the guards caught up. Was chatting to the Indian fella that owns one of them and he was showing me his security footage on his phone.
Fella that did it hasn't been well in the head for at least 20 years but it's a pity that he couldn't have done at least one of the Irish places to take the racism angle out of it. Was chatting to another lad who runs the Indian restaurant there I'd know him well enough and he was saying all the local foreigners running businesses are spooked and I had to tell him not to worry that it's just one lunatic did it and he'll more likely end up in a psychiatric hospital than prison.
Didn't see any coverage or stories about it anywhere but I can say that Thurles, for all its shitness is not a hotspot of racial tension in the slightest so I'll be interested to see if anything of it turns up on twitter from a right or left leaning perspective.
Wonder what the fuck the local lunatic had in his head before he went at it. It's not as if these fellas owning the shops are on the dole or leeching off the taxpayer or anything so it's a weird one for sure.
Delhi belly after a dodgy curry maybe, would drive any man over the edge.
Take one lunatic, add the most prevalent level of bald racist demonizing the western world has experienced in half a century, leave to simmer.
Yeah I would love to know what he had in his head. Then again the same lad went around for years dressed up as a chef when he wasn't one at all so I'm open to the Delhi belly idea as the catalyst.
Only thing there is that he didn't hit either of the Indian restaurants, but did hit one of the chippers so it might have been food related?
I see Garron Noone (I'm delicious guy) is far right now lolz. The absurdity of it all.
His ig is gone. He should've stuck to reviewing cups of tea.
You'd have to feel sorry for the poor cunt all the same. He gets inundated with people asking him to comment on stuff and the one time he does the same cunts start yelling at him to get off the fucking Internet! There's no pleasing some fuckers.
I think those who were asking him to comment (on McGregor's comments) and those who started yelling at him when he did aren't the same groups of people.
Internet cunts are just cunts to me. I don't see right or left :laugh:
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Have seen lots of decent folk throwing him support too, but also:
Peadar Tóibín
Tristan Tate
and now...
Katie Hopkins
Morto
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 22, 2025, 06:42:29 PMHave seen lots of decent folk throwing him support too, but also:
Peadar Tóibín
Tristan Tate
and now...
Katie Hopkins
Morto
That gobshyte Hopkins has actually followed Garron for quite a while now. I'm amazed her ghoul body has a sense of humour.
Councillor Linda de Courcy confirms on twitter that Brennans replied to her to say that their bread is not halal certified, so ye can have that second sandwich with a clear conscience.
Sharon Osbourne calling for Kneecap's US work visas to be revoked:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3ve317g5do
Ironic, considering her kneecap is probably her only remaining organic component.
Has she never read the lyrics to War Pigs.
Quote from: Carnage on April 23, 2025, 04:12:08 PMIronic, considering her kneecap is probably her only remaining organic component.
:laugh: :laugh:
"At a time when the world is experiencing significant unrest, music should serve as an escape, not a stage for political discourse."
She should have a word with Tom Morello when he is curating the big Black Sabbath blow out concert. I hear he's pro Palestine too.
At the anti immigration rally in Dublin, someone was parading around with a poster with Trump, Putin and McGregor. Now, what level of spastic are we talking about here at all?
It tells you all you need to know about the level of imbecile attracted to this shite.
Was on the way to Dublin for something yesterday and heard this thing was going to be on while I was on the way so I didn't bother. I don't even get what these lads hope to achieve whether they're pro or against the whole immigration thing. It's not going to make a blind bit of difference to any of it
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Utter mooks. There's still a lot of anti-Ukrainian immigration sentiment out there though, so not entirely unexpected: I see it quite a bit on FB via extended family.
I saw a clip of McGregor making a speech in the gardens of remembrance or something like that yesterday.
I've never been so not sure if that's the location.
His way of talking when he is trying to come across sincere and educated is getting worse as the days go by.
It's almost like a Little Britain sketch.
Being thick has its limitations alright.
A circus of eejitry no doubt, but that's not to say that if people have honest concerns around ideas of mass immigration that they shouldn't be taken seriously. People need to have a voice, but perhaps using Oscar Wilde McGregor as your spokesperson isn't the wisest choice :laugh:
I am not taking a side here one way or the other as I don't know what the figures are, but it looks like however many immigrants have been coming in in recent times they are being dumped in already deprived areas. A recipe for disaster.
Good lord, Putin, Trump and McGregor :laugh: like somebody had to get that done up and not think about it all the way through :laugh:
If the housing issue could somehow be solved it would take a lot of the sting out of people willing to join in with this stuff but that problem is not going away at all so...
I see a lot of it through work where people are applying for mortgages, having them approved, but then not being able to buy houses with it, so the money isn't being drawn down and what houses there are are wildly overpriced. That's a lot to do with the general displeasure done people are feeling
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 27, 2025, 12:07:44 PMA circus of eejitry no doubt, but that's not to say that if people have honest concerns around ideas of mass immigration that they shouldn't be taken seriously. People need to have a voice, but perhaps using Oscar Wilde McGregor as your spokesperson isn't the wisest choice :laugh:
I am not taking a side here one way or the other as I don't know what the figures are, but it looks like however many immigrants have been coming in in recent times they are being dumped in already deprived areas. A recipe for disaster.
I've no issues with genuine concerns that people have because it's glaringly obvious that we can't properly accommodate these people. The "be grand" attitude won't cut it and abandoning people to sleep on the streets is such a massive disservice to everyone.
That being said, the ringleaders of these protests are out and out scum who don't actually give a fuck about Ireland, know fuck all about it's culture and history and happily spit on our native language.
"Protect arr wimmin n childers" by pushing to have the nations highest profile violent rapist become president....yeah well done lads :-X
Seems a bit confused in that regard alright, but even if it is being organised by a fringe minority, are they actually saying something that concerns the majority of people in Ireland? Who wants to see a radical right party gain any power in Ireland, for fuck sake! I don't reckon that all of those people on the march are representative of the few extremists, but have concerns which cross over with them. And I would assume there are few among the protesters who are outright anti- immigration, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think? When people feel like their concerns are being ignored they get fed up and maybe that's what this is as opposed to something more sinister.
Yeah there's definitely an element of "well the established parties are doing fuck all for us" but we've been lucky so far that the wannabe right wing parties are lead by and populated by people who have the charisma of a rotting corpse so they don't really have mass appeal.
5,000 estimate of numbers. Given how closely McGregor is associated with this one, I would imagine most of them are either dupes of far right rhetoric or full throated racists. What authentic "genuine concern" individuals may have attended, they have to be a bit soft in the head to associate with the likes of McGregor, who clearly doesn't have "genuine concerns" about anything in this world other than his own lying self.
Whole immigration/housing situation is a mess that suits FFG plus Shitler/Gript/Steenson and Co equally.
Agree with everything said in the last few posts but mostly that the whole thing is a mess. It could be fixed and could have been fixed long ago, but there's money being made so it won't be.
I don't think most people, even the likes of me who complains about it, would want to associate themselves with the likes of McGregor and Pepper in any way whatsoever but these things will continue to pick up stragglers as long as things stay the way they are with housing and affordability of same.
You're right shep, that it suits FFG and their shit policies and lack of progress if everyone simply blames brown people for everything that's wrong in the place here
The obvious dopes will continue to be dopes but the housing crisis is the main issue for people. If that was sorted, a pipedream I know, these fringe idiots would become fringier immediately.
While the current government has done fuck all to stop the housing crisis (at least they're actually building houses now), this all stems back to the 2010 to 2018 period where there was about 10 to 20 thousand houses built each year with only 2 to 4k of those been social houses. That's what fucked the country and has us in the predicament we have today. Thanks Fianna Fail who started this bullshit.
And on the immigration issue. I've always said it's the asylum process that's fucked. People waiting 8 to 10 years on a decision for residency. Put the proper resources into the process. A decision within 3 months. Yes fine no deport.
As regards the people at the protest. I've seen many of them at the cork ones. They're fucking assholes of the highest order. Hateful pricks. The shit they put the library staff through in cork over books was insane. Most people with legitimate opinions on immigration wouldn't be seen dead at these protests.
Looked like a big crowd all the same. 5000 is a decent turnout and as I've said, even if it's being organised by people who have another agenda, that's not to say that this particular issue isn't of wider concern.
Leaving people to rot for up to ten years without processing their application is absurd. It benefits nobody. But how do you stem the flow of immigration (if it is too high to sustain) when you have people making a lot of money off the back of it who are no doubt great pals with the powers that be. Is it a racket dressed up as humanitarianism? How do you even untangle that mess when you actually do need to put asylum seekers somewhere and so you actually have to incentivise hotel owners, or whoever, to play ball... again, messy. Relying on people's good will probably won't get you far, and money talks.
Sherlukkit. Give it twenty years and it'll all be grand...
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 27, 2025, 01:55:36 PMLooked like a big crowd all the same. 5000 is a decent turnout and as I've said, even if it's being organised by people who have another agenda, that's not to say that this particular issue isn't of wider concern.
Leaving people to rot for up to ten years without processing their application is absurd. It benefits nobody. But how do you stem the flow of immigration (if it is too high to sustain) when you have people making a lot of money off the back of it who are no doubt great pals with the powers that be. Is it a racket dressed up as humanitarianism? How do you even untangle that mess when you actually do need to put asylum seekers somewhere and so you actually have to incentivise hotel owners, or whoever, to play ball... again, messy. Relying on people's good will probably won't get you far, and money talks.
Sherlukkit. Give it twenty years and it'll all be grand...
So far this year we've seen the lowest amount of immigration in years. I think whoever is here already are sending word back that it's too expensive to set up here now. Or that were actually full.
As regards global immigration. If the world keeps hotting up you're going to get more regions becoming inhabitable so if you think it's bad now. See ya in 20 years.
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 27, 2025, 01:34:09 PMWhile the current government has done fuck all to stop the housing crisis (at least they're actually building houses now), this all stems back to the 2010 to 2018 period where there was about 10 to 20 thousand houses built each year with only 2 to 4k of those been social houses. That's what fucked the country and has us in the predicament we have today. Thanks Fianna Fail who started this bullshit.
Yeah that's the craic exactly. It's fuck all to do with stooks and their racist shite but it's going to gain momentum if houses don't get built fast
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 27, 2025, 01:34:09 PMWhile the current government has done fuck all to stop the housing crisis (at least they're actually building houses now), this all stems back to the 2010 to 2018 period where there was about 10 to 20 thousand houses built each year with only 2 to 4k of those been social houses. That's what fucked the country and has us in the predicament we have today. Thanks Fianna Fail who started this bullshit.
While I agree 100% that FF and others started the BS and since the 2000s we've suffered the consequences of property bubble madness and have moved into a corporate type capitalism - The graph below shows you cannot keep up with unlimited migration and government/civil servant dopes can't forecast how many housing units they need (we don't build proper homes anymore). How can you run a country this way? It's a numbers game - supply and demand and as usual no one wants to talk about the demand side of things - It's not a question of building double of what we currently do - it won't solve the underlying issue. I personally don't want to live in a concrete jungle where everyone is devalued. Also a good note is our fertility rate hasn't been above 2.1 since 1990 - so vast majority of our population growth has been external.
Australia is a good example of a place that has built vast quantities but with huge migration numbers - they are in the same predicament as us.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Go89upIaEAEn9_3?format=png&name=medium)
What I think gets lost in the conversation is that most of our population growth is legal immigration from the EU.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 27, 2025, 01:55:36 PMLooked like a big crowd all the same. 5000 is a decent turnout
The turnout was lot bigger than 5000 not sure what the exact turnout was but some estimating 20k others saying 50k and some lad who calculates these numbers for all the marches like the water charges one based on distance, road width and others things reckons it was 106k and the counter demonstration was 1644.
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 27, 2025, 02:57:48 PMWhat I think gets lost in the conversation is that most of our population growth is legal immigration from the EU.
And practically full employment, so, economically they are needed.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 27, 2025, 03:31:29 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on April 27, 2025, 01:55:36 PMLooked like a big crowd all the same. 5000 is a decent turnout
The turnout was lot bigger than 5000 not sure what the exact turnout was but some estimating 20k others saying 50k and some lad who calculates these numbers for all the marches like the water charges one based on distance, road width and others things reckons it was 106k and the counter demonstration was 1644.
It's quite obviously more than 5k but absolutely nowhere near the higher estimates either. An awful pity the numbers couldn't just be reported by either side and making both look like bullshitters. Helps nothing and still doesn't build more houses or stem the influx of people ready to buy them or be handed them
Quote from: mickO))) on April 27, 2025, 03:31:29 PMsome lad who calculates these numbers for all the marches like the water charges one based on distance, road width and others things reckons it was 106k and the counter demonstration was 1644.
That is what sensible folk would call "some lad who can safely be ignored from now on."
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 27, 2025, 05:18:15 PMQuote from: mickO))) on April 27, 2025, 03:31:29 PMsome lad who calculates these numbers for all the marches like the water charges one based on distance, road width and others things reckons it was 106k and the counter demonstration was 1644.
That is what sensible folk would call "some lad who can safely be ignored from now on."
I guess we can also ignore whoever you got the 5k figure from.
No prob. Think it was RTE, and they prob took that straight from the gardaí :laugh: But 100k+ would put it in the biggest demonstrations in Ireland ever. Which it wasn't. No more than Steenson and Pepper, etc., represent "99%" of Irish people. It's all narcissistic delusion. McGregor, Putin, Trump: couldn't hope for better faces for this movement.
Just saw it on RTE. Given that they already lied about the numbers at a march 2 years ago which was discussed on here at the time I don't think many people are going to trust the numbers they post this time around. I never said the actual number was 106k it was just what I saw posted with the back up calculations. I doubt it was over 100k myself but it was also a lot more than 5k.
Garda estimates, no matter the cause, are always the lowest.
A 5 spot of hash. Enough to make 4,387 hand rolled cigarettes.
Quote from: open face surgery on April 27, 2025, 06:51:14 PMA 5 spot of hash. Enough to make 4,387 hand rolled cigarettes.
:laugh:
Beat me to it lol
One for everyone in the stands at the All Ireland Final.
QuoteThink it was RTE, and they prob took that straight from the gardaí
The Gardai have been the longest established liars in Ireland so anything they "report" I consider horseshit. Sure they said they'd no involvement in the Clonskeagh dispute there the other week then the footage went up and they were in it :laugh:
What was the clonskeagh thing?
The scrap in the Islamic Cultural Centre the other week, it's been closed ever since. Media are afraid of their shite to report it properly - just referring to a distressing incident etc. Gardai initially said they weren't aware of an incident but when the footage emerged there were at least several present
From the bits and pieces I have read one group is trying to take the Cultural Centre over from the group currently running it by force. The group trying to take it over assaulted staff and board members on the premises last week.
Quote from: open face surgery on April 27, 2025, 06:51:14 PMA 5 spot of hash. Enough to make 4,387 hand rolled cigarettes.
DOPE ON THE TABLE LADS!
Overtime and breakfast roll budgets are set for the year!
At that protest, all the people of Coolock, Finglas, Crumlin etc that have an issue with IPAS centres are filthy far-right scum and have no right to complain.
But all the lawyers, media figures and politicians who live in D4 that successfully blocked an IPAS centre for the Sachs hotel last week are just "concerned residents" and entitled to their say.
If only the former realized it's the latter (equally bigotted bunch) who are their real adversaries!
Quote from: Emphyrio on April 27, 2025, 03:33:22 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 27, 2025, 02:57:48 PMWhat I think gets lost in the conversation is that most of our population growth is legal immigration from the EU.
And practically full employment, so, economically they are needed.
God forbid lads we get a bit of wage inflation instead. I would argue the point also - economically in what areas exactly? If you say construction, I remember reading somewhere, people coming in related to that area in terms of skills was only less than 5% of the people. If you say nursing, we trained one of the highest amounts of nurses per capita in the OECD. Yet the vast majority will end up emigrating elsewhere and don't tell me that all because they want to travel the world. Common sense will tell you if you pay properly with decent working conditions we wouldn't be discussing it. The central bank literally came out and say we need more migrants to keep wages down. Think of your own working sector - if we flooded that with cheap labour I don't think you'd be happy with the outcome of that. Sure with nursing, there's a recruitment freeze within the HSE yet an exemption for overseas nurses, two tiered system, HSE doesn't want to give permanent roles, they want agency staff, cheaper long term. My point is, without a proper immigration system with having a decent idea of X numbers in, Y numbers out, you can't realistically plan for the future of anything. And I'm near confident bar the 2004 post EU enlargement - from say 2014 onwards - that most of the migration is from non-EU sources, esp nowadays. 86,000 2023-2024 were from non-eu countries for example if you check the CSO website.
There's also the real concern of AI wiping out tons of jobs in the 2030s - again there's no thought put into any of this from government. I think we all agree on the vulture funds, the pension funds, blackrock types picking up vast sweeps of housing units across the country. The idea we need more people just for the sole purpose of the economy and to hell with any other consequences for society, is just baffling to me. I've seen what "progress" is in other countries/cities...all I can say is NOPE.
*edit* - Less than 4% of work permits issued in 2024 were in the construction sector. Construction workers per capita - OECD average 3.3%, Ireland it's 6% - so running high migration rates still maintains housing shortages which was my original point that was skimmed over :)
https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/publications/employment-permit-statistics-2024.html
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 28, 2025, 12:16:40 AMIf only the former realized it's the latter (equally bigotted bunch) who are their real adversaries!
I don't think lacking awareness is the key here as much as it's the latter deliberately misrepresenting the former every time. I would have just called it plain own hypocrisy.
Yeah my wife is a nurse and she'd day practically every Irish person that qualifies is gone within two years. Can't blame them, wages are shit, increments are shit compared to other public service jobs, and it's so understaffed the hospitals are falling apart
Successive government's have been happy to watch the HSE fall apart over the years, and the INMO as a union is absolutely toothless and won't stand up for them
Quote from: The Butcher on April 28, 2025, 08:21:32 AMQuote from: Emphyrio on April 27, 2025, 03:33:22 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on April 27, 2025, 02:57:48 PMWhat I think gets lost in the conversation is that most of our population growth is legal immigration from the EU.
And practically full employment, so, economically they are needed.
God forbid lads we get a bit of wage inflation instead. I would argue the point also - economically in what areas exactly? If you say construction, I remember reading somewhere, people coming in related to that area in terms of skills was only less than 5% of the people. If you say nursing, we trained one of the highest amounts of nurses per capita in the OECD. Yet the vast majority will end up emigrating elsewhere and don't tell me that all because they want to travel the world. Common sense will tell you if you pay properly with decent working conditions we wouldn't be discussing it. The central bank literally came out and say we need more migrants to keep wages down. Think of your own working sector - if we flooded that with cheap labour I don't think you'd be happy with the outcome of that. Sure with nursing, there's a recruitment freeze within the HSE yet an exemption for overseas nurses, two tiered system, HSE doesn't want to give permanent roles, they want agency staff, cheaper long term. My point is, without a proper immigration system with having a decent idea of X numbers in, Y numbers out, you can't realistically plan for the future of anything. And I'm near confident bar the 2004 post EU enlargement - from say 2014 onwards - that most of the migration is from non-EU sources, esp nowadays. 86,000 2023-2024 were from non-eu countries for example if you check the CSO website.
It was nursing that I had in mind as I can only speak from an area that I've been privvy to. The wards seemed to be about 60% foreign workers in the wards I saw.
The issue is housing. We have loads of nurses qualifiying as you correctly point out. In Dublin, a couple, both nurses/teachers/guards can't get a mortgage. So, nurses will fuck off somewhere where they can have a decent standard of living. They need to be replaced, so we have, imo, welcome and needed immigration.
Teachers, as above, can't get a mortgage. However, they can flake off for 5 years according to their terms and conditions. So they head off to Dubai, earn a fortune, come back and buy a house. But the reason an awful lot of em fuck off in the first place is lack/cost of housing.
I am completely against open borders letting anyone in and I'm glad that the gov finally seem to be trying to make the process much quicker. How successful that will be remains to be seen.
Couple of mates of mine are in the UAE doing the teacher thing, and have wanted to come back for the last couple of years but the cost of living here is keeping them where they are and they tell me most over there are in the same situation that they can live well over there but the lifestyle change in coming back here would be too much for them.
Surely an unprecedented programme for building houses is what's needed because the situation is dire as it is. Not that we haven't seen that coming for a long time
Quote from: Lunar blood on April 28, 2025, 08:28:07 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 28, 2025, 12:16:40 AMIf only the former realized it's the latter (equally bigotted bunch) who are their real adversaries!
I don't think lacking awareness is the key here as much as it's the latter deliberately misrepresenting the former every time. I would have just called it plain own hypocrisy.
They're not misrepresenting them imo: outright racism is absolutely rife. I see it in my own family and their friends (folk living in North Strand, East Wall, Tallaght). Hypocrisy, absolutely: but in the sense that those D4 FFG voters are just as racist themselves. They're just more reserved about how they manifest it.
On point: couple of days ago, my cousin shared a "joke" in the WhatsApp chat for his stag about there never having been a black pope because they run away whenever they're called "father." I said to him, in private chat, "You know when I was growing up I had to listen to southsiders telling those exact paternity jokes about northsiders..?" They're constantly ranting outright racism about Ukrainians too, not to mention all the misinformation. Rife.
Good joke.
Lemme dig into 30 year old memory stores and see what I can find.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/569068585756269
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 02, 2025, 02:39:06 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/reel/569068585756269
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
She got pure scalded the spastic
The fact Peterson subjected himself to this carnival show is a bad enough sign on its own, but holy christ the absolute spectacle he makes of himself in the couple of short clips I've watched:
https://bsky.app/profile/birdrespecter.bsky.social/post/3lq24yqgnak2y
I'll be honest, I used to have time for Peterson and his shtick but he's just a parody of himself at this point. Answering a question by "what do you mean by believe?". Lad is incapable of making a straightforward point.
Speaking of parodies of Peterson:
https://bsky.app/profile/wsebag.bsky.social/post/3lqclk62ufk2d
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/thugs-destroy-diggers-building-site-31747635
... And (No) Justice for All.
Stupid cuntery.
Surely filming it and uploading it to social media makes it alot easier to catch you and you're also handing them the evidence?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on May 31, 2025, 09:15:50 AMSurely filming it and uploading it to social media makes it alot easier to catch you and you're also handing them the evidence?
You see, you're incorrectly assuming they have any brain power.
Listened to most of this yesterday and found it interesting. Interview with a community activist from East Wall, where I happen to have family myself. A lot of good sense out of him that a lot of middle class left could do with listening to. None of them on here though :laugh:
https://foranewrepublicpodcast.podbean.com/e/immigration-consultation-and-the-left-wing-response-a-conversation-with-an-east-wall-community-activist/
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/cork-bar-staff-threatened-far-31841553
Everyone's still offended then yeah? What a surprise
So fuckin 2019
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 12, 2025, 03:03:03 PMhttps://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/cork-bar-staff-threatened-far-31841553
Fairly sure I saw one of these lads getting kicked out.
He was just repeating the same nonsense to the bouncer about having "no authority over a public footpath" for about ten minutes and refusing to fuck off and be done with it. Surprised he didn't have the phone out to film it.
A gang of absolutely painful human beings.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gm4XTUcto00
:laugh:
Always enjoy Charlie Veitch's vids. He's a wind-up merchant and more often than not, invites trouble on himself...but it's undeniably satisfying watching him dish out summary justice to complete scrotes
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2025/0701/1521267-bob-vylan-targeted-for-speaking-up-at-glastonbury/
Censoring musicians and music never gets old. I watched a lot of Glastonbury last weekend. A lot of bands and musicians playing mentioned Gaza (CMAT, TV on the Radio, The Libertines, Amyl and the Sniffers..) but it was Bob Vylan's 'Kill the IDF' chant that wound the machine up.
I wouldn't mind but their set was actually kind of heart warming, with the singer even bringing on his teenage daughter to sing their song "Dream Big".
https://www.thedailybeast.com/texan-moved-fam-to-russia-to-flee-wokenow-hes-headed-to-ukraine-front-line/
QuoteAn American father who moved to Russia to avoid LGBTQ+ "indoctrination" for his kids is being sent to the front line in Ukraine, despite being assured he would serve in a non-combat role.
Huffman moved his family to a village outside Moscow in spring. It was launched by American blogger Tim Kirby—who has lived in Russia for two decades—in 2023 to attract Americans seeking to escape the "liberal gender norm." That project has been a flop, with United24Media reporting that only two families, including the Huffmans, have moved in.
The anti-woke mind virus strikes again.
Oh they must feel very foolish :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Jaysus that's some doing
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 19, 2025, 05:55:15 PMhttps://www.thedailybeast.com/texan-moved-fam-to-russia-to-flee-wokenow-hes-headed-to-ukraine-front-line/
QuoteAn American father who moved to Russia to avoid LGBTQ+ "indoctrination" for his kids is being sent to the front line in Ukraine, despite being assured he would serve in a non-combat role.
Huffman moved his family to a village outside Moscow in spring. It was launched by American blogger Tim Kirby—who has lived in Russia for two decades—in 2023 to attract Americans seeking to escape the "liberal gender norm." That project has been a flop, with United24Media reporting that only two families, including the Huffmans, have moved in.
The anti-woke mind virus strikes again.
Schtuff for the cunt😂😂
Everyone has lost the fucking plot.
QuotePolice data released under freedom of information (FoI) laws shows that 41% of 899 people arrested for taking part in the violent disorder last July and August had been reported for crimes associated with intimate partner violence.
For those arrested by one police force, this figure was as high as 68%.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse
Protect are wimmin indeed
Not in the least bit surprising, natch, but good to have the data on it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 28, 2025, 05:22:28 PMQuotePolice data released under freedom of information (FoI) laws shows that 41% of 899 people arrested for taking part in the violent disorder last July and August had been reported for crimes associated with intimate partner violence.
For those arrested by one police force, this figure was as high as 68%.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse
QuoteFive survivors of Rotherham grooming gangs say they were also raped by police officers
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/29/five-survivors-rotherham-grooming-gangs-claim-rape-police
Starting to think that maybe, just maybe, there's something to the position that the problem isn't with race but with men.
You are a severe lying cunt and this thread should be locked as its toxic waste. You must own this website or something. Does it even say what race the officers are? and even if they were native english, it is a well established fact that most of these grooming gang child repeating rapists are of foreign - mostly Pakistani origin. This has been going on for decades and is a disgrace that you cant call it for what it is at this stage. Look at the ratios of the races involved relative to the population. Now you can block me from your echo chamber.
Shocking if members of the police were involved in this shit, but I don't think it erases the stain on the Pakistani/ South Asian community. The grooming gangs are clearly from a specific racial and religious demographic and trying to confuse that reality is doing nobody any good, whatever background the corrupt police officers happen to come from.
One that died is mentioned as Hassan Ali.
Quote from: ijnjnijnilijbibbjknkjbjkk on July 30, 2025, 11:32:43 AMYou are a severe lying cunt and this thread should be locked as its toxic waste. You must own this website or something. Does it even say what race the officers are? and even if they were native english, it is a well established fact that most of these grooming gang child repeating rapists are of foreign - mostly Pakistani origin. This has been going on for decades and is a disgrace that you cant call it for what it is at this stage. Look at the ratios of the races involved relative to the population. Now you can block me from your echo chamber.
Lock the thread. Grow up. Do you have links to the ratios/case itself. I could Google it but you might have a good link. It's a case I've never really read about.
Googled some stats there. Rape of over 16's carried out by 75% white male vs 25% asian/chinese/black and rape of a minor is 85% white male vs 15% asian/Chinese/black.
74% of the English population are white, so more or less ties in with racial divide, except for rape against minors, which is skewed more against white males. Grim.
Quote from: ijnjnijnilijbibbjknkjbjkk on July 30, 2025, 11:32:43 AMYou are a severe lying cunt and this thread should be locked as its toxic waste. You must own this website or something. Does it even say what race the officers are? and even if they were native english, it is a well established fact that most of these grooming gang child repeating rapists are of foreign - mostly Pakistani origin. This has been going on for decades and is a disgrace that you cant call it for what it is at this stage. Look at the ratios of the races involved relative to the population. Now you can block me from your echo chamber.
As a rule, I don't block people. People who have opposing views to mine either have solid data, in which case I'm interested in seeing it, or else they don't, in which case I can present them with the data that I have seen so far. On this particular story, from what I've gathered, the data is inconclusive at best. This isn't about letting anyone "off the hook": quite the opposite.
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/national/24849607.grooming-gang-offences-carried-white-men-police-chiefs-say/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65174096
I mean... you'd swear we weren't all from the country with one of the worst global histories for white christian grooming gangs, i.e. the fucking priesthood.
And things were never much better in the UK either:
QuoteThe Church of England forgave paedophiles after they expressed remorse and allowed them to carry on working instead of protecting children, a report has found.
The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) said that between the 1940s and 2018, 390 clergy members or people in positions of trust were convicted of child sex offences.
"The culture of the Church of England facilitated it becoming a place where abusers could hide," said a report released on Tuesday.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-sex-abuse-priests-church-of-england-inquiry-report-iicsa-b833262.html
That goddamn fucking Pakistani culture of the Church of England, eh?
I think, regardless of general statistics, that the grooming gangs in question here are accepted to be of a certain nationality or race.
Nothing to do with the overall stats being more fairly divided up :-X. It's just more that this particular phenomenon seems to have been sort of purposely ignored
Sort of purposely in part because certain investigating police were also at it, it would now seem.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 30, 2025, 06:51:00 PMSort of purposely in part because certain investigating police were also at it, it would now seem.
Yep they are fucking animals as well there's no argument there
Edit: now we know why it was ignored in the face of any sort of decency
I see Keith Fay from Cruachan has signed a petition to have some nationalist event in Manorhamilton cancelled. A man of integrity and high moral values no doubt, funny he had no bother playing in Israel
Another MI hall of fame reference? :laugh:
One of my besties lives in Manorhamilton, sure the fuckers barely have electric out there :laugh:
Tommy Robinson being an utter cock again:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters
Rose Of Tralee being hammered today again on the radio for being out of date, sure Fr Ted covered all that 30yrs ago, it's in no way to be taken seriously, its all about the money grab for Tralee.
They didn't all have lovely bottoms on it this year though to be fair
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 20, 2025, 08:14:31 AMTommy Robinson being an utter cock again:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters
He wants to be taken seriously, and perhaps there is some merit to some of what he says, but then he just undermines any point he might have with this pathetic shit. I'm not a follower of his by any stretch, but I listened to him on Triggernometry and he tried to portray himself as a concerned citizen. But if you're harassing ordinary people like this then you can't be taken seriously. But sure, people are saying Conor McGregor should be the next president so I think we have well and truly crossed some line of decency and cop-on within society. Twitter has brain damaged the world :laugh:
Quote from: The Heretic on August 20, 2025, 09:31:36 AMRose Of Tralee being hammered today again on the radio for being out of date, sure Fr Ted covered all that 30yrs ago, it's in no way to be taken seriously, its all about the money grab for Tralee.
They didn't all have lovely bottoms on it this year though to be fair
Ah Jesus, so this wasn't true?
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2025/08/19/thai-roses-ping-pong-ball-trick-wows-judges/
Quote from: The Heretic on August 20, 2025, 09:31:36 AMRose Of Tralee being hammered today again on the radio for being out of date, sure Fr Ted covered all that 30yrs ago, it's in no way to be taken seriously, its all about the money grab for Tralee.
They didn't all have lovely bottoms on it this year though to be fair
It's old-fashioned, it's quaint. Of the handful I saw while herself was engrossed in it, they certainly didn't all have lovely bottoms. I couldn't sit through two nights of it and yet, I'm glad that it's still a thing. It's a bit like an Aran jumper.
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 20, 2025, 09:51:42 AMQuote from: The Heretic on August 20, 2025, 09:31:36 AMRose Of Tralee being hammered today again on the radio for being out of date, sure Fr Ted covered all that 30yrs ago, it's in no way to be taken seriously, its all about the money grab for Tralee.
They didn't all have lovely bottoms on it this year though to be fair
It's old-fashioned, it's quaint. Of the handful I saw while herself was engrossed in it, they certainly didn't all have lovely bottoms. I couldn't sit through two nights of it and yet, I'm glad that it's still a thing. It's a bit like an Aran jumper.
I thought the one who won it was good though, trainee electrician and seemed well clued in, missus wasn't overly impressed by my "blow my fuse" quip though :laugh:
Quote from: Snare on August 20, 2025, 09:47:19 AMQuote from: The Heretic on August 20, 2025, 09:31:36 AMRose Of Tralee being hammered today again on the radio for being out of date, sure Fr Ted covered all that 30yrs ago, it's in no way to be taken seriously, its all about the money grab for Tralee.
They didn't all have lovely bottoms on it this year though to be fair
Ah Jesus, so this wasn't true?
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2025/08/19/thai-roses-ping-pong-ball-trick-wows-judges/
Nothing that Daithi hasn't seen before, Maith an cailín!!!
"I tried practising with a sliotar..." :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 20, 2025, 08:14:31 AMTommy Robinson being an utter cock again:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters
That's fucking outrageous. But not surprising, given the amount of race baiting fucks about nowadays.
Going in to see ROME on Saturday hopefully. The gig was moved from Saturday to Sunday, from one venue to another and has now been moved back to Saturday at an as yet undisclosed location :laugh: I smell the workings of Anti Fun Assholes at play here! I'm sure wherever it ends up it'll be a really dangerous meeting of extremist maniacs and not just the usual collection of black- clad obscure music worshipping dorks. I'll report back if I manage to come out alive...
Jaysis I thought Rome were fairly beige and neutral as neo folk bands go. I don't like the guys voice so I've not given them much attention to be fair. Hope you get to see the gig anyway without any disturbance from the totalitarian activist brethren.
Myself and the wife braved the viper's nest of far right extremists last night and you'll be relieved to hear we are both OK. A little shaken perhaps, but otherwise we'll survive. Funnily enough the gig ended up being on in, if not a full on gay bar, it was some kind of gay friendly bar with unisex toilets, posters for trans techno nights and lesbian staff. There were even two very obviously trans dude/ettes at the gig. A dangerous atmosphere indeed! Would have been funny to see Antifa protesting outside and then seeing these ladies emerge and being like... ehhh... sorry, we must have the wrong address :laugh:
The gig itself was decent. The first band were pretty abysmal- Sun Vessel- but it was cool to see a full on neofolk band in action. Two chaps, the singer looked like Robin Hood at first glance, but then I realised he had a big baggy jumper that had been hiding in the back of his local St. Vincent de Paul since 1974. Festooned around his neck was a string of buddhist prayer flags and he had a military beret thingy on his head. Inexpert three chord acoustic strumming with maudlin semi-tuneless vocals and a dude dressed like a terrorist shaking maracas beside him. It was the real fucking deal!
Wolf Arrow Rain was next. Loose and rough music played on a semi-acoustic with a really good bassist holding things together. A bit ropey musically all in all, but she could really sing, and sounded very much like Kate Bush. Would have been cool to hear her with a full band of adept musicians because the songs were good. She was spouting mad hippy stuff between songs which was funny - the tap root travelling from her spine down to the centre of the earth to catch the light and bringing it up to fill the room because power is a circle not a pyramid ... eh... oookay! I was chatting to her briefly after and she was very nice. 50 odd, kind of like a lovely but slightly nutty aunt.
The Veil were up next and I had listened to a them on bandcamp before going in and they sounded pretty good. Doom Goth stuff. Last night they were stripped down to bass and acoustic guitar with vocals. Fucking great songs with lovely playing and Che de Boehmler (why do I know his name? I can't place where I've heard of him before. Did he write for Zero Tolerance maybe?) is a mighty singer. His voice reminded me of a mix between Aaron Stainthorpe and Matt McNerny. A real powerhouse of a singer. Unfortunately there was a lot of chatter going on and the music was getting drowned out. There was a table full of young lads who were bananas drunk and acting the maggot. I never would have done that when I was younger. No way...
Rome ended up being just Jerome on his own with an acoustic. The crowd seemed to double in size when he came on and he was very impressive. The drunken lads were like Rome super fans, up the front singing and yelling along and barking like dogs between songs. Was that the Nazi bit I wonder... The dude can really play and his voice is so rich and full, he managed to fill the room with his presence. It was cool but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't have preferred to hear him do more of a mix of his styles. We shot off early because it was late at this point and we were both knackered. The fun of being middle aged with a young kid!
An interesting evening all things considered.
:laugh: :laugh: Brilliant, what a turn of events. But now what, we gotta be worried about trans Nazis too?!?
You can never be too careful.
That was an enjoyable wee read there, nice one :abbath:
Quote from: Mithrandir on August 24, 2025, 11:16:45 AM:laugh: :laugh: Brilliant, what a turn of events. But now what, we gotta be worried about trans Nazis too?!?
Fucked up fans of Cabaret?
I see there's big kick back from Graham Linneman's arrest at Heathrow. The tweet that got him done was telling woman to punch a tranny in the balls if he he wont leave the bathroom.
Drowning under the 1984 memes these days
Starmer and Streeting incomprehensibly standing up for someone even JK fucking Rowling wants nothing to do with.
No, she's jumped in as well. Well, on Twitter if that counts. Which it probably does these days.
God, he's going to be absolutely thrilled with himself, the pathetic insane bastard! :laugh:
I watched a few videos there recently on You Tube from a transexual, female to male, called Buck Angel.
She makes it clear, as do her guests who are actual transexuals, as opposed to "trannies" (and there is a distinction to be drawn there), that she is not a man, she is a woman who presents as a man.
She and her guests acknowledge that they suffer from gender dysphoria, a mental illness.
They are mortified by all this "tranny shit" (their words), the actions of so called activists who in no way represent the wishes of real transexuals, and horrified by the butchery that is being undertaken by so called "doctors"
Its very interesting stuff and a breath of fresh, sane air in a world gone mad.
these peoples views align far closer with those of Graham Linehan than they do with the "trannies".
I'd encourage anyone who has an interest in the matter to check out a few of her videos.
And by the way, actual transexuals don't give a flying fuck whether ya call them He or She.
More book-banning gowlacting. Now the snowflakes are on the right. Wimps, all.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/margaret-atwood-alberta-school-book-ban-1236360116/
Buck Angel is an infamous ex of Lana Wachowski (of The Matrix fame) and real piece of work. Didn't know he'd shifted right all the way to playing house negro though.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 03, 2025, 07:11:47 PMBuck Angel is an infamous ex of Lana Wachowski (of The Matrix fame) and real piece of work. Didn't know he'd shifted right all the way to playing house negro though.
I don't know anything about that man, I just know I found them to be very interesting conversations where common sense seemed to prevail.
Some of the young peoples stories there who lives have been ruined by these so called "gender affirming" psychopathic doctors would break your heart.
Gender affirming, boo. Opinion affirming, yay! :)
:eyeroll:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 03, 2025, 07:11:47 PMBuck Angel is an infamous ex of Lana Wachowski (of The Matrix fame) and real piece of work. Didn't know he'd shifted right all the way to playing house negro though.
Wait, didn't the two brothers who made the matrix become women? When did Buck jump aboard, before or after?
Yeah. His wife left him for, then, Larry Wachowski. So he went to the tabloids with the story, in which he outed Larry as a transsexual.
Okay probably a little bit stirring a pot of sorts here but I thought of a question in my head as I often do..
So without researching of any kind beyond what one already knows...
Is there such a thing as Ethnic Irish?
It seems to be the crux of a lot of discord in the media and in political discourse in general the last few years and the thought got in to my head as to where we might draw the line in terms of definition.
Was a random thought and maybe even might have fit in that thread but there's only so many threads that can be infected with this sort of thing before the whole board has gone to shit
If you translate your surname and it starts with an O' or Mc... yeah
Funny thing is, the previous population our modern Irish DNA most closely resembles genetically arrived here after Newgrange was built. 600 years after (still a very long time ago, obvs). Any DNA samples they've extracted from earlier human remains aren't close to ours at all. So we can identify ourselves with a population that arrived something like 4,500 years ago, which is pretty impressive, all things considered. But we do know that they were a migrant population with respect to the culture who built Newgrange. So which one is "ethnic"? Course, the people bringing up this shite probably think white people in the US are ethnic, so I wouldn't bother if I were you :)
It's a good one, astfgyl. Sure there's no real 'right' answer and no cut off point for ethnicity. I'd just go on gut feeling probably! It's a funny one but you see the liberal left get all in to this stuff these days. Like The Jews aren't really The Jews from Israel, they are European by DNA. SF/IRA heads are false cos they've a bit of Norman in them so stfu with their nationalism malarkey. Nobody in Ireland is ethnically Irish and we are all migrants in the context of Newgrange ;D
Lads are tying themselves up in knots over this stuff :laugh:
I'd say you'd want 4 or 5 generations of traditional oul white Catholic Irish on at least one side of your family to be considered ethnically Irish but sure I've only pulled that out of my arse and wtf do I know?
I have a Norman name on my mother's side and English on that side also not that far back. The other side is the usual peasant Irish. I'm definitely Irish ethnically. For example Chio Ogbene or Adam Idah aren't. That's obvious. But it doesn't stop them being Irish in a broader sense.
Anyway :laugh:
First homo sapiens came here approx 30 thousand years ago. Is that the answer.
I'm sure even most Ulster-Scots hardcore Unionists could find a branch of their family tree that goes back Irish hundreds of years so it's pretty much a moot point at this stage :laugh:
Ah yeah there's probably no answer really but a lot of people seem to sort of know the answer as well. Anyway it was just one of those random thoughts rather than me making any sort of point about it
It's kind of mad seeing the amount of 'free speech purists' or whatever celebrating people getting fired for taking the piss of a dead YouTuber.
Even people I know in real life, like the US government has basically told people to go after anyone mocking him, but you'd expect that, but people in Ireland or elsewhere who didn't even know who he was this time last week, who have spent the last decade moaning about 'wokeness' or whatever, supporting people getting sacked and don't see the hypocrisy, boggles the mind.
I've a mate who has spent the last week lamenting it as an 'attack on free speech' now posting Gript videos supporting punishment for people mocking him, fucking hell.
For the last couple of months he had appearing constantly on my twitter and Facebook feed but it always picked small clips with the absolute lunatic student brigade but occasionally there were clips of him and the question asker being very civil with each other.
Obviously didn't deserve to be shot. I mean, if people think he did, then we should be allowed to shoot peadophiles and have the death penalty without anyone moaning.
Quote from: ldj on September 17, 2025, 06:44:17 PMIt's kind of mad seeing the amount of 'free speech purists' or whatever celebrating people getting fired for taking the piss of a dead YouTuber.
Even people I know in real life, like the US government has basically told people to go after anyone mocking him, but you'd expect that, but people in Ireland or elsewhere who didn't even know who he was this time last week, who have spent the last decade moaning about 'wokeness' or whatever, supporting people getting sacked and don't see the hypocrisy, boggles the mind.
I've a mate who has spent the last week lamenting it as an 'attack on free speech' now posting Gript videos supporting punishment for people mocking him, fucking hell.
They're hypocrites. They need some sort of enemy to blame for their own failings. Sad really.
Calling for people to be "cancelled" is retarded.
Celebrating someone getting cancelled is retarded.
People are retarded
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on September 17, 2025, 08:04:56 PMPeople are retarded
Could probably lock the thread on that note :laugh:
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on September 17, 2025, 06:51:33 PMwe should be allowed to shoot peadophiles and have the death penalty without anyone moaning.
Shootings and death penalties for paedophiles AND rapists :abbath:
I'd say a few of ye have heard of this Riyadh Comedy Festival a disappointing number of comedians are signed up to play. Reveals some interesting things about people. Bill Burr accepted, Shane Gillis refused, for example. Anyway, this latest development fits with this thread:
QuoteOkatsuka posted the censorship rules for the controversial comedy festival, noting how many "You can't say anything anymore!" comedians have signed on.
https://www.avclub.com/riyadh-comedy-festival-atsuko-okatsuka-zach-woods
Tim Dillon said some are getting 1.6m for a single show. Although, in a spotifyism, the ones making that money are the ones that don't need it.
I watch all the SA funded boxing so can't really decide that this is out of order but comedians are a lot more chatty than boxers so seems more hypocritical.
Several self-styled champions of freedom of expression taking money off one of the world's worst regimes for freedom of expression and on proviso that they stifle their own freedom of expression during the event. In that sense, it just is more hypocritical, no "seems" about it. Unfortunately we live in a world where lots of things we enjoy have been taken over by cocks, in one way or another, but this one really does appear to boil down to easily avoidable hypocritical individual choices.
Ah ya, they all have their price. The world is fucked but I don't need moral guidance from entertainment.
Delighted that Gillis refused it all the same :laugh: and I'll continue to listen to Normand, Morril and Santino.
I don't know Santino at all. Just went to look him up and one of the top results is a story from two weeks ago of him giving out about Disney cutting a joke of his...
QuoteHe said the experience highlights why many comedians are turning to podcasts and independent platforms instead of traditional outlets.
"That's why we love the podcast world and why we've kind of gone away from traditional forms of media. We got sick of being told, 'You're not supposed to say that.'"
:) :laugh:
A deep dive in a puddle :laugh:
Does a podcast with Bobby Lee who is a fucking melt but does a solo one called Whiskey Ginger that I'm partial to.
QuoteComedian Tim Dillon said on his podcast last month that he signed up for financial reasons. He said he had been offered "a large sum of money" — $375,000 for one performance — and said that other comedians had been offered as much as $1.6 million. He told his detractors to "get over it," adding, "So what if they have slaves, they're paying me enough to look the other way."
But in an episode of the Tim Dillon Podcast last week, the comedian announced he'd been removed from the lineup for the comments he made about the country's record on slavery.
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/27/nx-s1-5555462/saudi-comedy-festival-chappelle-hart-maron
It's political correctness gone mad! :laugh: :laugh:
My morality can def be bought for that price but I'm not a millionaire.
What are we calling this one? Comedy washing?
Dunno. I think, more than anything, it reveals just to what extent the whole "cancel culture" schtick they moaned about and helped amplify in the "culture war" was literally a "bit" for most of the heads supposedly persecuted by it. That cancel culture dollar was a good dollar.
Naively disappointed about bill burr going.
Never read about your heroes online, as the saying goes.
He seems to be the one that everyone is most shocked/disappointed about.
David Cross weighing in:
https://x.com/davidcrosss/status/1972766881103892618
I see more vehicles are being burnt back home tonight in the name of keeping women and children safe.
Good patriotic behaviour.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 21, 2025, 09:38:14 PMI see more vehicles are being burnt back home tonight in the name of keeping women and children safe.
I see a lad who shouldn't be here at all has been arrested for the suspected rape of a ten year old girl.
I see that the same girl apparently went missing from the care of the state before the alleged incident.
I see that the alleged offence allegedly took place at the site where asylum seekers are placed when they arrive to the state.
And of course absolutely nobody at all anywhere warned that anything like this could possibly happen under any circumstances when people are let in who can't be background checked even if the will was there and who don't get deported even after they get deported.
It's just as well that some lads burned out a few paddywagons so that we can all talk about that instead of the myriad failings of government policy around immigration. Oh won't somebody think of the poor paddywagons and not the absolute shitshow that is Tusla and IPAS.
Anyway fuck this because nothing will make any difference and the show must go on for some reason that's absolutely lost on me. I suppose it's worth a horde of the absolute dregs of the third world getting into the place if we get the odd doctor or engineer out of it. And besides, there's money to be made and we all know the bleeding heart brigade love a bit of naked capitalism with their global communism.
Yeah I see things too
And I won't be a bit surprised when some fuckin eejit somewhere tries to say that the dirty bastard needs help in some way.
The board was united for once over Ian Watkins but will likely be divided over this one because of the immigration question and the usual left and far right shite.
And the government will be rubbing their hands at all the distraction from the underlying reasons for the whole lot.
But then again the fella who was supposed to be already deported was only accused of raping the ten year old girl who had went missing from State care so people are wrong to be incensed by it and should wait until it goes to trial and has a completely different outcome to all the things that happen in the Crime Courts Law thread and we should have full confidence in our legal and judicial system.
Philip Nolan would be the ideal judge for a case like this
Double post
See, I'd be for more investment in state care facilities, etc. Whereas the head-the-balls orchestrating the protest/riots, including some who'd flown from the UK and one even from Canada for the "event", if they had their way, it'd be back to the days of the laundries before you could say two hail marys.
There's been a litany of issues at the IPAS centre in Citywest in particular. It's far too large, and given the mix of individuals housed there, it's a recipe for chaos. The entire IPAS process in Ireland is, frankly, bananas — from top to bottom, there's very little humanity in how it operates.
A handful of hoteliers and local business figures, GAA Types seem to be making a fortune off what's meant to be a humanitarian response. Beyond bed and board, there's next to nothing provided in terms of integration, education, or pathways to employment.
If you look at the Crooksling site, it's even more disheartening. There's clearly been no real thought given to the wellbeing of the migrants. You wouldn't house an animal there, never mind a person. Watching them navigate the N81 in winter, trying to reach Tallaght or find transport, is genuinely alarming — it's a miracle no one's been seriously injured yet.
On the darker side of things a genuine concern here is the inconsistency in background checks and criminal record screening — processes that, in some cases, have proven to be utterly farcical. We're expected to trust what feels like a crack team of gaslighters; some of the official statements are on par with McEntee's now-infamous "Dublin is a safe city" line.
In this very case, how is it possible that someone with a deportation order issued back in March is still here — and free to commit such an appalling crime?
A sweeping statement about "thuggery" doesn't cut it. People's backs are up — and rightly so. There are legitimate concerns out there, but no one seems to be listening.
The way IPAS centres are being implemented — often dropped into or beside established communities — is anything but open or transparent. It's underhanded, conducted under a cloak of darkness, and leaves local residents feeling misled and ignored.
Ordinarily, I'd advocate for using the proper channels to make your voice heard. But a while back, there were murmurings about an IPAS centre being set up barely a kilometre from us — and nobody wanted it.
I wrote to our beloved Jim O'Callaghan, who gave his word that hotels would return to tourism once their contractual obligations to provide accommodation for Ukrainian applicants had ended. It took months to get a response, and when it finally arrived, it was complete and utter waffle.
I've no doubt that a large percentage of those in attendance last night intended to protest peacefully. The usual cohort were always going to do what they do. I'm not convinced that peaceful protest is achieving much anymore — so if that's what it takes to get big Jim, Martin, or whoever else to finally read the room, maybe it's time to let the local dirt do the heavy lifting.
There's been almost 40 IPAS-related arson attacks over the last 7 years. So it's not "what it takes" and it's also not "time to let the local dirt" at it. They've been at it since 2018.
So what is it time for? 2,000 people showing up to something tells me people aren't happy. Irrespective of the percentage of local or tourist yobs present.
Another mass?
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on October 22, 2025, 08:54:28 AMA handful of hoteliers and local business figures, GAA Types seem to be making a fortune off what's meant to be a humanitarian response. Beyond bed and board, there's next to nothing provided in terms of integration, education, or pathways to employment.
Don't forget drug dealers as well. A particularly prominent gangland figure where I am from was paid 10 million in 2024 for running IPAS centres. This lad had a big hand in bringing chaos to the local area only 5 years ago now the Government are essentially helping him launder his money. It's insane whats going on.
Jim O Callaghan said after last nights disturbance they'll "relentlessly" pursue those involved. It's a shame that consistency is largely absent when dealing with the multiple conviction brigade.
One suspects there may be a notable crossover in that particular Venn diagram.
Oh I'm sure! If Jim applied his relentless approach in the first instance maybe he'd have one or two less to deal with.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on October 23, 2025, 08:27:41 AMOh I'm sure! If Jim applied his relentless approach in the first instance maybe he'd have one or two less to deal with.
Never a truer word spoken.
https://jrnl.ie/6904547
A Primal Scream concert has been cancelled over claims antisemitic imagery was shown on stage at a previous gig.
The rock band had been due to perform at the Trentham Live festival at the Trentham Estate, Stoke-on-Trent, on 21 August 2026.
"But following criticism of a film screened at a concert in London, the festival's organiser said it had cancelled the performance as the graphics used did not align with its values"
Is antisemitism this rife or are Jews actually this persecuted, or is it a persecution complex?
Any condemnation of the genocidal actions of the Israeli state is, incorrectly and deliberately, called out as anti-semitism by the Israeli government and supporters which, in itself, seems to be actually fuelling genuine anti-semitism.
Any support of Palestinians, similarly, is claimed to be support for Hamas, anti-semetic and in favour of the killing of Israelis. It's spasticated carry on but you can't just steal land and try to destroy a population and not expect some level of blow-back, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
Philosophy lecturer in Texas university instructed, under MAGA censorship compliance directives, to drop certain readings from... Plato :clownface:
https://dailynous.com/2026/01/06/texas-am-bans-plato/
How the tide has swung. Towards the start of this thread I feared what banning/censoring books would lead to. We're still banning/censoring books/education but it's turned 180.
Yup. It's all so predictable too.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2026, 12:50:17 PMPhilosophy lecturer in Texas university instructed, under MAGA censorship compliance directives, to drop certain readings from... Plato :clownface:
https://dailynous.com/2026/01/06/texas-am-bans-plato/
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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/wilsons-hospital-moves-to-reimprison-enoch-burke-after-he-returns-to-school-less-than-24-hours-after-release/a1180088510.html
He's baaaack!
He did say he would be back haha. How the hell are they gonna sort that out?
He was only let out to prepare for whatever appeal he's got coming up. If ever there was evidence that our prison system is too benign, it's shown by this idiot's inability to refrain from actions that'll send him back inside.
Even Jesus learned not to get nailed to a cross more than once
Good man Enoch.
The lad is clearly not right in the head, probably should just get home sectioned at this point
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 15, 2026, 01:05:41 PMhttps://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/wilsons-hospital-moves-to-reimprison-enoch-burke-after-he-returns-to-school-less-than-24-hours-after-release/a1180088510.html
He's baaaack!
The article is paywalled, what is he actually doing when he turns up at the school?
Someone should have slagged him that he was late to work this morning :laugh:
Out pontificating at the gates with his righteous Christian hand gestures makes my blood boil as he has no shame or respect for anyone or anything else at all.
He brings holier than thou to a whole new level, blame the parents. Not exactly a poster child for the merits of home schooling I guess.
Quote from: Mooncat on January 15, 2026, 06:15:16 PMThe article is paywalled, what is he actually doing when he turns up at the school?
Today he walked in the gates and was stopped by security. So turns around and preaches away to the media and his delusional supporters at the gates.
That's one fella that needs a good ride to clear his head
Exactly. Get him back to the Joy, quick!
Very disappointed in the school that they haven't hired a 6 foot 4 slutty looking drag queen type as security that tries to feel up Enoch every time he tries to gain entry and hinders him by "accidentally" tripping and offering his ass to him when he tries to get past.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thanks for the laughs guys!
If they just blared the Grindr notification constantly at him he'd probably run away.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 15, 2026, 09:55:00 PMExactly. Get him back to the Joy, quick!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: The Great Cull on January 15, 2026, 10:25:05 PMVery disappointed in the school that they haven't hired a 6 foot 4 slutty looking drag queen type as security that tries to feel up Enoch every time he tries to gain entry and hinders him by "accidentally" tripping and offering his ass to him when he tries to get past.
ffsakes :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: The Great Cull on January 15, 2026, 10:25:05 PMVery disappointed in the school that they haven't hired a 6 foot 4 slutty looking drag queen type as security that tries to feel up Enoch every time he tries to gain entry and hinders him by "accidentally" tripping and offering his ass to him when he tries to get past.
I know this was said in jest but it would actually be fucking incredible :laugh:
You just need a few gay couples chewing the faces off each other beside him to drive him over the edge. He'll either have a total breakdown and get committed or start slapping them, in which case he'd be done for assault. Problem solved, and I'm stunned that it hasn't happened yet.
If Panti Bliss filled a minibus on George's St. and headed there one morning, it'd be over in a day.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-orders-immediate-arrest-of-enoch-burke-for-again-breaching-injunction/a669052328.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-orders-immediate-arrest-of-enoch-burke-for-again-breaching-injunction/a669052328.html)
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https://www.londoncentric.media/p/london-tiktok-fake-news-creator-hate-immigrants
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Military aged male with criminal record seeking asylum in another country, claiming his life is in danger where he comes from :laugh:
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https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/2022641377733955745?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Absolutely hilarious stuff. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
May his every ferry find the sea bed.