The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

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Mocking the dead is a bit much. Returning people to their point of departure and refusing them access to any kind of state support once they arrive is the only thing that will stop these death dinghies. The problem of people undertaking these incredibly dangerous journies was created by the left. Angela Merkel also has a massive case to answer for turning the Mediterranean into a watery graveyard.

Seriously? To make a local link, what encouraged people on to coffin ships to America during an Górta Mór? Did they expect state support on the other side? Or was it plain desperation that drove them to take a perilous journey perhaps, that no matter what things have to be worth working towards?
Any different now for people in so many other countries that they won’t take risks anyway to go to places where they see better opportunities for a better quality of life?

At the time the migrant crisis was at its worst the European border agency Frontex estimated that there were very few fleeing war or famine. There were also very few women and children. The myth that if you go to Germany then you get good money, a house and a beautiful blonde wife were exploited by human traffickers to such an extent that people were willing to horse over every cent they could get their hands on to go on a trip that had a good chance of ending in death.

Look at the recent deaths in the English Channel. These people weren't fleeing a war torn or impoverished country. They were leaving France. The human traffickers had the UK built up as the land of plenty so much that they got into a vessel that wasn't designed to go more than 50 metres from shore to get there.

If you and others like you want to house people inelligible for asylum or a working visa feel free to do so yourself. Don't have the state and taxpayers forking out for your noble stance.

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The migrant camp in Calais is worse than a shanty town in Calcutta. You try to make it sound like those 27 people swanned out of the Louvre and decided they'd hit Selfridges next.

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Isn't that camp for people who refused to remain in the many EU countries they passed through because they have decided that it's British benefit system or bust.

You don't get to go asylum shopping. Very few of them would have grounds for asylum anyway.

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The three talking points you're using were addressed in Parliament the other day, stats in hand:
https://twitter.com/OliDugmore/status/1464536696138178569

Notably, virtually all arrivals by small boat claim asylum in the UK. 61% are granted it on first application, 59% of the remainder upon appeal.

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Ignore the British Home Secretary on favour of an activist member of the House of Lords. That is not Parliament it us the House of Lords, they have much better upholstery. The UK is not the preferred destination for most asylum seekers. At a guess I would say that Germany is,  possibly followed by Sweden.

The number of asylum applications is lower than it was 20 years ago in the UK. There seems to have been a massive spike in asylum numbers in the early 2000s which was offset by an 88% rejection rate.

The dinghies didn't start with covid, that point is pure shit. The numbers he is quoting approval wise is the overall number of applications and not the number who arrived by dinghie. The home office in the UK decided that about 70% of these illegal entrants are economic migrants.

The European asylum rules are the first safe country you arrive in.  A couple of poorly and selectively chosen stats from a senile old git doesn't change that.

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So you accept it's not the "British benefit system or bust." Good. In 2020, the UK was 5th in Europe by total number of asylum applications: Germany, Spain, France, Greece, the UK. Sweden is way, way down the list.

The European asylum rules you mention no longer apply to the UK, that's one of the first points he raises when he reminds the House that the UK is no longer part of the Dublin Regulation.

And since the British Home Secretary is Priti Patel, yes, I think it is most wise to doubt figures she may claim. But anyway, direct from the Home Office:

"The increase in applications is likely linked in part, to the easing of global travel restrictions that were in place due to the Covid-19 pandemic, and to an increase in small boat arrivals to the UK – of which almost all claim asylum"

Edit: Re the ranking of UK as a destination for asylum seekers, might be worth pointing out that it falls down to 17th place against other EU nations when you look at application numbers against present population.

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Ignore the British Home Secretary on favour of an activist member of the House of Lords.

This is false naïvety of the highest order. Boris Johnson's entire cabinet are fucking activists! Cunt conservative activists!!

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It is not British benefits or bust for most,  but it is for some. I completely forgot that the majority of British people voted to get rid of EU immigration rules. They passed through four or five safe countries before hopping on a children's toy in freezing cold water.  There is a big difference between claiming asylum and qualifying for it. I'm not buying the whole desperate need thing. France is not a place most people need to escape from.

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On the contrary, I feel the need to escape from it several times a week.

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Do you feel persecuted or fear for your life? If so maybe you can claim asylum in Britain. I'll buy you the raft myself.

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Do you feel persecuted or fear for your life? If so maybe you can claim asylum in Britain. I'll buy you the raft myself.

I'm Scottish on the paternal side, so I can lower myself to the status of subject of the Queen any time I choose.

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As long as it's not Ireland I don't care where you go. To finish the point anyway I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who are in a safe country and looking for an upgrade. Granting asylum is for people in danger who would are not safe in their country of residence. It's not an excuse to go dole shopping.

Your views are fast becoming outdated too. People got bored with the refugees welcome crap over the last few years. It had it's fun until the numbers went up and they started arriving. I notice very little outcry at the moment about Polish police and army manning a fence to keep them out.

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As long as it's not Ireland I don't care where you go.

Ouch 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You shouldn't be surprised to discover hellfire that the measure by which I evaluate my views is not their popularity 

People wanting to leave France to go to the UK have many motivations: family to join, they speak English and don't speak French, they've been promised easy work in the UK. If they did stay in France, they would actually get more in the way of benefits than if they get to the UK, so there is no "dole shopping" going on. If that was what it boiled down to, they would all stay in France. Now, as the figures show, more do stay in France than end up trying to get to the UK, but those who don't stay quite clearly are not "dole shopping." Ridiculous turns of phrase like that and "British benefits or bust", to be honest, just reveal the kind of politically prejudiced tabloid sources you're getting these ideas from.

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Asylum is essentially a charitable act by a country to protect the vulnerable. Take it or don't, you don't get a menu regardless of where your mother, brother or cousin lives. If they are promised work surely a working visa would be appropriate? Those are easy to sort out when a job is assured.
It's has nothing to do with the benefits they will actually get. It's about the ridiculous benefits that the people operating these mini death barges tell them they will get.

Most will arrive in the UK with a level of education that will lock them out of all but menial UK jobs. The benefits whether real or imaginary are the incentive.

Apologies that The Daily Communist doesn't yet have distribution in my part of the country, but I one day aspire to have a reading list that conforms to your impeccable standards of impartiality.