The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Emphyrio]

Can't remember which thread this fella has appeared most, probably here. He's very eloquent and calm, in this interview anyway, and I looked at a speech he gave about his 12 Rules. Engaging and interesting also. He has his critics, well ,critic...here. Who would his direct counterpart be, if one was looking for balance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

[astfgyl]

It is absolutely the gards that are causing the fuss at the protests.
Sure all you have to do is compare the recent Dublin protest, where they blocked the road to stop a peaceful march, causing all hell to break loose, to the recent Cork protest, where the protesters were allowed have their march, and the event passed off peacefully.
If one were cynical (which I am), one would be inclined to think the actions of the gards in Dublin were intentionally designed to provoke a response and in doing so, discredit the  anti-restrictions movement.

I'd be inclined to look at it the same way. It's funny how things are spun though. That vigil, while well intentioned, falls under the same public health risk as protesting against restrictions does. Really interesting to look at how politicians are reacting though, the skin changing cunts.

[Caomhaoin]

Can't remember which thread this fella has appeared most, probably here. He's very eloquent and calm, in this interview anyway, and I looked at a speech he gave about his 12 Rules. Engaging and interesting also. He has his critics, well ,critic...here. Who would his direct counterpart be, if one was looking for balance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

Verbose character assassination incoming...

[Emphyrio]

I don't really go in for big debates on these things but from the clips I've watched today, I can't see anything I'd disagree with. I haven't watched the feminist put-down clips as that's just low hanging fruit but he is clearly able to back up his views.

In simple terms, he seems correct in what he's on about, but is there anyone on the opposing side who is more correct?

[astfgyl]

Y'know, I've never listened to Jordan Peterson, but it's something I must do. He seems like a polarising character.

[hellfire]

Regardless of his politics his 12 Rules For Life book is really helpful if you ever find yourself struggling.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The closest he has to a direct counterpart (unfortunately, since he's half dead) is Noam Chomsky. I don't think Chomsky has ever directly addressed the gender pay gap though, not to any great extent. Why?

Possibly because, imho, the whole gender pay gap thing is a bit of a red herring. The real question is the wealth gap, and if you want to know more about that, you can listen to or read genuine economist experts like Joseph Stiglitz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCW1cJE73rU

Bending over backwards to debunk the gender pay gap, when you're not even bothered to make the smallest genuine effort to understand the most basic foundations of communism for a highly mediatized debate, just smacks of intellectual dishonesty. Middle and upper class and even super rich (actresses, etc.) women who bang on about the gender pay gap are no where near the real matters that need discussion for any kind of "improved" society. But if your argument back at them doesn't boil down to, "maybe there's a gender pay gap, maybe there isn't, but what really needs to be sorted out is the global wealth gap," then you're just as lost as they are (obviously this is a "socialist" perspective, not shared by everyone). The pay gap debate gets nowhere a) because neither side apply the same criteria, and b) because it's a debate theorized by two groups with ulterior motives - feminists and anti-feminists.

[Emphyrio]

The gender pay gap is something that appears a fair bit, having given a very brief cursory skim over the Youtube clips. And based on those, he seems largely having to respond to criticisms of his observations. From what I see, he's a guest in most instances and people are simply trying to catch him out. I dunno, twas interesting listening to him while I was reciting the instructions to a passionfruit cheesecake anyway.

[John Kimble]

It is absolutely the gards that are causing the fuss at the protests.
Sure all you have to do is compare the recent Dublin protest, where they blocked the road to stop a peaceful march, causing all hell to break loose, to the recent Cork protest, where the protesters were allowed have their march, and the event passed off peacefully.

You're absolutely a dope if you really believe that's the case. The Cork protest clearly didn't attract the same scumbag element as the Dublin one, and much as I don't like the guy, the organizer of the Cork protest Diarmad O'Cadhla, was very vocal in advance of the parade that he didn't want trouble. If the Guards were intent on provoking a reaction, they would have sent out a full public order presence rather than the fairly minimal one that was there. I suppose "provoking" is a fairly apt description of an unarmed police force drawing their batons when a firework is deliberately aimed at their heads? Clown.
Clear case in the UK of the politicians throwing the police under the bus, especially the mayor. Anyone who has ever witnessed the dynamics of a large scale gathering will attest that it only takes a minimal presence of trouble makers to infiltrate the crowd and spark off a riot. There were four arrests at that London vigil, a fraction of the amount arrested in Dublin. Hardly the disgraceful scenes that the politicians and media are so keen to depict. Very difficult time to be a police officer anywhere, tasked with policing a public health (not criminal) matter under legislation which they had no hand nor part in drafting, and which enjoys the support of probably most people but also attracts a sizeable minority of vocal critics.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The gender pay gap is something that appears a fair bit, having given a very brief cursory skim over the Youtube clips. And based on those, he seems largely having to respond to criticisms of his observations. From what I see, he's a guest in most instances and people are simply trying to catch him out. I dunno, twas interesting listening to him while I was reciting the instructions to a passionfruit cheesecake anyway.

Yeah, but supposedly "observing" that there's no gender pay gap in the first place (and again, it all very much depends on the criteria chosen, and it's very complex to pull apart), as opposed to concentrating on where there are glaring, undeniable wealth and resource gaps...personally, that tells me pretty much all I need to know about an "intellectual".

Passionfruit cheesecake...jaysus, and me here starving at work! 

[Emphyrio]

The gender pay gap is something that appears a fair bit, having given a very brief cursory skim over the Youtube clips. And based on those, he seems largely having to respond to criticisms of his observations. From what I see, he's a guest in most instances and people are simply trying to catch him out. I dunno, twas interesting listening to him while I was reciting the instructions to a passionfruit cheesecake anyway.

Yeah, but supposedly "observing" that there's no gender pay gap in the first place (and again, it all very much depends on the criteria chosen, and it's very complex to pull apart), as opposed to concentrating on where there are glaring, undeniable wealth and resource gaps...personally, that tells me pretty much all I need to know about an "intellectual".

Passionfruit cheesecake...jaysus, and me here starving at work! 

I dunno, to me he's using his expertise as a psychologist to explain some of the factors that lead to the gender pay gap, most of which makes sense. I don't think he needs to go into the economics of it, especially if that's not his area of expertise. To me, they're separate issues anyway.

More importantly, the cheescake should be fully set by now. Woo!

[Blackout]

Y'know, I've never listened to Jordan Peterson, but it's something I must do. He seems like a polarising character.

Whenever you see a Jordan Peterson video posted on Social Media, it is quite alarming how much his character is assassinated almost immediately.  The comments are usually one paragraph posts that call him a misogynist  or pseudo intellectual etc. These people have never watched his interviews nor have commented on any part of his lectures. They are simply  too entrenched in their ideologies and unable to debate the man.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

While that's probably true in fact, there is absolutely no difficulty in picking his actual arguments apart in detail:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

[Emphyrio]

Before I read past this part...

"Then, try to restate your platitude using as many words as possible, as unintelligibly as possible, while never repeating yourself exactly. Use highly technical language drawn from many different academic disciplines, so that no one person will ever have adequate training to fully evaluate your work."

Is he referring to you or Peterson? 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]