The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

What is with these idiots? They ascribe all these societal and cultural characteristics to 'whiteness', it's such deeply inaccurate racist bullshit.

https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness

Is this stuff new to you? This is just a review of the basic tenets of "life is easier when you're white", as presented humorously by many comedians, including Louis CK, for example. I get you don't agree with it, but it seems odd to post a review of the fundamentals as if it was news.

[Caomhaoin]

I didn't realise it was a parody, although it has all the hallmarks of one. My point is that the tenets of whiteness they espouse are essentially those of post enlightenment England. You couldn't substitute Russian for white, for example, Spanish either. It's Protestant work ethic, individualistic etc. But these clowns view these characteristics through the prism of race, which is a) preposterous and b) a bit fucking condescending if you are a black European embedded in the culture .

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Sometimes I don't know how seriously to take your naïvety.

The idea that life is (generally, probabilistically, statistically, all those concepts that seem to cause so much comprehension trouble for conservatives) easier when you're white is so banal that it can form the premise of a sketch and everyone - everyone - will get it, regardless of how much their own personal white life might suck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87LGmm1M5Is

Haven't you ever heard of the concept of "playing white"? It was a pretty big thing in the county you're so fond of referencing, South Africa. Coloureds (i.e. mixed race) who were sufficiently pale could "play white", as in essentially renounce the trappings of their cultural background and blend in and try to get further ahead than they would otherwise have been able to had their skin colour "better matched" their ethnicity. That is how literal, merely skin-deep "whiteness" has historically come into play, whether your cultural background is Russian or Spanish or whatever; the less "ethnic" your skin colour is in the US, the less likely you are to be labelled as anything other than simply "American", i.e. not African-American or Asian-American or Native-American. Historically, in many countries, if you wanted to get ahead and you could pull it off, there was an advantage in playing white. That is telling, no? All other things being equal, is there still a net overall advantage in being or playing white? I don't know. Pretty hard to quantify I imagine, but the sentiment among non-whites (again, talking in the most superficial, skin-deep terms here) certainly seems to be that, yes, overall, ceteris paribus, there is. And if there is, then "playing white" involves - to a lesser or greater extent - abandoning the trappings that would belie the effort.

[Caomhaoin]

Nicely put, and quite accurate (although I haven't referenced South Africa to the extent that you are implying, but anyways), I think you are overlooking the issue I'm bringing up, the observation of 'whiteness' and 'white' characteristics, as if they are innate racial  traits.

If a superficial, pseudo-academic report on 'blackness' were released, how do you think it would be perceived? Poorly, and correctly so. 'Race' is an accident of birth, it cannot be bought, sold or altered. It has no bearing on anything. Culture on the other hand, does. It's idiotic to view anything from a 'race' perspective. I sympathise with whites in SA because they are being persecuted, not because they are white.

Read the chart that this 'think tank' (ha ha) has published regarding whites in the US. It's completely imbecilic. Fucking race baiting bullshit.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

They deleted the chart you're talking about following criticism...so I'll do your work for you 



*that last one's a joke...just in case*

Minus that chart, the rest of the article is very standard stuff. As truly badly thought out as that chart was, it doesn't delete the fact that the dominant "game" in the US is one that has been historically easier to win if you're white, and impossible to win if you don't at the very least espouse and demonstrate standard Western values, such as being a Christian, openly expressing faith in God, having a wife and kids, and so on. A native American who openly lived according to native American traditions would never be taken seriously, for example. Since "the American dream" is so easy to conceptualize as a game, it's all really a question of what handicap you start out with and what you have to do to compensate. For many, this would involve shedding any cultural aspects that don't "fit". Like, could an Asian person rise high up in politics or institutional academia? Sure, but not if they were openly Buddhist (random example).

[Caomhaoin]

Well, the west is the best, I don't see the issue in others imitating it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Sure this is the ultimate irony right there; debating moral values with a pagan metal fan who's defending traditional Catholic and, even more specifically, Protestant modes of living. I love the west, but I prefer the archaic west personally

[Caomhaoin]

You're putting words in my mouth there kid. 

The west is the best, of the options available. Flawed as it is, it's better than Tehran or Bombay, Caracas or the artist formerly known as Rhodesia. Can't you accept that? You and your mates like that tit who wrote 'white fragility' (bound insanity) can't just leave well enough alone. 

The auld Latvian pagan tribal lifestyle is a bit before my time.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The "options available" are not limited by what is currently in practice in the world. The liberal moral "west" of today was unimaginable between 30 and 100 years ago, depending on which country where it's currently the standard status quo you look to. We should go tripping together some time man! 

[Caomhaoin]

The pansies in charge 'west side' (with the exception of Dūda in Poland and yer boy in Hungary) were unimaginable n'all, but sure didn't Rangers sign Mo Johnstone and didn't the Serbs vote in the worlds biggest wanker in Vucic (people like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis, you can't trust people Jeremy) so nothing surprises me anymore lad.

I'm quieter on the nippy sweeties, so a few of them on top of the mushies, otherwise Interpol will be after one of us, especially if a pint is involved

[Kurt Cocaine]

Any of you seen the story in the news yesterday about the gardai warning of a dangerous teenage girl being released in to the public, people have posted the court documents online and it turns out it's actually a biological male who identifies as a female, but the gardai and media never originally released that info. The whole trans debates going to get interesting...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-issue-alert-around-the-country-as-homicidal-teen-to-be-released-39558022.html

The Joker is right....

https://gript.ie/photo-barbie-kardashian-irelands-homicidal-girl/

[Kunt 4 Life]

Christ..

[Eoin McLove]

You'd certainly need a few pints.

[Kurt Cocaine]

You'd certainly need a few pints.

Of whiskey.... 

[Bigmac]

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