The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Primordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa.

Say I whisper to someone's mammy that their wee angel has been spending too much time on certain websites, and say mammy then orders said wee angel to turn off their computer and go out and get some air. Identify the individual in this scenario who is giving the orders; the individual who is taking the orders; and the individual who's to blame.

Might want to work on your logic there batty.

[Giggles]

Keyboard Bat is a really shit troll name. Were you really in that much of a hurry to set up your account only yesterday? Surely there has to be better sites to troll on? It's not like this place is buzzing with posts!

[keyboard bat]

Primordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa.

Say I whisper to someone's mammy that their wee angel has been spending too much time on certain websites, and say mammy then orders said wee angel to turn off their computer and go out and get some air. Identify the individual in this scenario who is giving the orders; the individual who is taking the orders; and the individual who's to blame.

Might want to work on your logic there batty.

Well if you think Antifa is to blame, tell us all how they forced these bands to cancel. All ears! 

[keyboard bat]

Keyboard Bat is a really shit troll name. Were you really in that much of a hurry to set up your account only yesterday? Surely there has to be better sites to troll on? It's not like this place is buzzing with posts!

Nah, this place is the best for this since it's the thickest social bubble that exists. "Irish metallers except the smart ones who are long gone". A barrel of fish, with clown noses on them  Giggles indeed!

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Primordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa.

Say I whisper to someone's mammy that their wee angel has been spending too much time on certain websites, and say mammy then orders said wee angel to turn off their computer and go out and get some air. Identify the individual in this scenario who is giving the orders; the individual who is taking the orders; and the individual who's to blame.

Might want to work on your logic there batty.

Well if you think Antifa is to blame, tell us all how they forced these bands to cancel. All ears! 

I haven't mentioned Antifa, much less what I think of them. I only pointed out a flaw in your logic, independent of its content.

When a witness testifies against a murderer and the murderer is then sent to prison by a judge, has the witness ordered the prisoner to go to prison?

Spend a little more energy trying to make solid sense and a little less energy trying to be a wise-ass. You ain't quite got the chops.

[keyboard bat]

Primordial, Deicide, Moonsorrow etc pulled out, so if Antifa is to blame, Primordial etc are taking orders from Antifa.

Say I whisper to someone's mammy that their wee angel has been spending too much time on certain websites, and say mammy then orders said wee angel to turn off their computer and go out and get some air. Identify the individual in this scenario who is giving the orders; the individual who is taking the orders; and the individual who's to blame.

Might want to work on your logic there batty.

Well if you think Antifa is to blame, tell us all how they forced these bands to cancel. All ears! 

I haven't mentioned Antifa, much less what I think of them. I only pointed out a flaw in your logic, independent of its content.

When a witness testifies against a murderer and the murderer is then sent to prison by a judge, has the witness ordered the prisoner to go to prison?

Spend a little more energy trying to make solid sense and a little less energy trying to be a wise-ass. You ain't quite got the chops.

You didn't prove anything though. If my band cancels a gig, it's our decision, not someone elses. If Deicide cancels Steelfest and edgy simpletons blame Antifa for it, it's just edgy simpleton self deception. Can you come up with a logical chain of actions from "Deicide/Primordial/etc cancelled their show at steelfest" to "Antifa is to blame"? No you won't. That stuff is just hysterical bs with a side flavour of conspiracy mongering

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Your initial claim above was that, if Antifa were to blame for bands cancelling, then this would have to mean that those bands were taking orders from Antifa.

You can't logically conclude that from the premise, no more than you can conclude that if a witness is to "blame" for a murderer going to prison, this would have to mean that the murderer was taking orders from the witness.

This is pretty basic stuff.

[keyboard bat]

Your initial claim above was that, if Antifa were to blame for bands cancelling, then this would have to mean that those bands were taking orders from Antifa.

You can't logically conclude that from the premise, no more than you can conclude that if a witness is to "blame" for a murderer going to prison, this would have to mean that the murderer was taking orders from the witness.

This is pretty basic stuff.

It's an exaggeration for sure, in a thread that is full of "antifa is directed by soros who is married to bill gates and they control the world with cultural marxism" stuff. Logic has left the board a long time ago.

If there is anyone to blame for real, it's the organizer. The bands who cancelled (nearly) all posted something like "we didn't see the whole lineup but now that we do, we're cancelling".  They didn't need "woke army" to tell them that this is no good for them. But sure, the dorks will blame the Smurfs or whatever 

Alternatively you can choose to not blame anyone, shit happens.

Or then you can throw your toys out of the pram and see conspiracies everywhere.

[Trev]

Me wanna banana

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It's an exaggeration for sure, in a thread that is full of "antifa is directed by soros who is married to bill gates and they control the world with cultural marxism" stuff. Logic has left the board a long time ago.

Using what you see as other people's lack of logic to excuse your own... that's a fail, I'm afraid.

[Eoin McLove]

This type of pin the tail on the donkey politics is working in Antifa (or the nutty end of the left)'s favour because that's where the pendulum of culture is currently sitting. But as sure as night follows day, the pendulum will swing back in the other direction and then you'll have all these neurotic ejits standing out in the cold with their blindfolds on wondering where all their virtual likes have gone. And you know what? Black metal will still be there. Even the naughty stuff will remain. Maybe it'll live a bit further underground if that even means anything in the age of the Internet. That's about the height of it.

Good night Fruit Bat. Thanks for the mildly diverting entertainment 

M.A.R.P.

[warhead]

If we put the over the top style of writing/communicating on the side.......Guess keyboard bat is just ironic to the fact that a BIG part of the "extreme" metal scene are the strongest when it comes to talking and making frowning poses.
So many of those bands play the venues that the mainstream bands are playing, and basically want to belong to that world.
They talk about war, violence, blood, satan, but when there is the slightest chance of a possible altercation, they vanish with their tails between the legs.
Keyboard bat said some of those bands are just talk, and nobody should be surprised they don't live by the sewer they're spewing from their mouths.
That's my take on what he wrote, I might be wrong though?

[keyboard bat]

It's an exaggeration for sure, in a thread that is full of "antifa is directed by soros who is married to bill gates and they control the world with cultural marxism" stuff. Logic has left the board a long time ago.

Using what you see as other people's lack of logic to excuse your own... that's a fail, I'm afraid.

Nah

The point is - there is no way for Antifa to make the decision for the bands. If Antifa has influenced the bands decision, then....well it says it right there.

Which is of course not what happened. Capitalism happened.

[keyboard bat]

This type of pin the tail on the donkey politics is working in Antifa (or the nutty end of the left)'s favour because that's where the pendulum of culture is currently sitting. But as sure as night follows day, the pendulum will swing back in the other direction and then you'll have all these neurotic ejits standing out in the cold with their blindfolds on wondering where all their virtual likes have gone. And you know what? Black metal will still be there. Even the naughty stuff will remain. Maybe it'll live a bit further underground if that even means anything in the age of the Internet. That's about the height of it.

Good night Fruit Bat. Thanks for the mildly diverting entertainment 

M.A.R.P.

Metal Action Role Play? Sounds like a narrative for one alright.

So tell me. Do you blame Antifa for Primordial cancellation? I'm curious.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The point is - there is no way for Antifa to make the decision for the bands. If Antifa has influenced the bands decision, then....well it says it right there.

Which is of course not what happened. Capitalism happened.

If you'd bothered to read the various posts on the subject before deciding to pedal in full speed and catastrophically attempt to be a wise-ass, you would have seen that this main point has already been made: that at the end of the day, it's quite possible money decided. How directly money decided presumably depends case to case, but certain touring agents and/or record labels will have more or less ordered the bands to cancel and distance themselves, however ambiguously, from the line-up. I don't think money is the only reason though...

So why did various bands' touring agents and record labels step in this year, when they don't seem to have in 2016 when Graveland last played (taking them as a token for "the most unfrequentable" band on the line-up)? Personally, I would say there's a very good chance that is because of certain, highly motivated "woke" individuals from the nominal far left, that part of it which has abandoned all notion of freedom of expression in art, threatening to smear the touring agents and record labels in question, and basically create a helluva lot of potentially ongoing hassle for them online and elsewhere. Why do I think this? Primarily, because it has happened before, many times and in many places, and secondly because you only have to do a search for "Steelfest" on Facebook or Twitter to be met head on by scores of them, entire Twitter threads dedicated to it. I don't go in for the Antifa label, but that certain individuals are directly or indirectly threatening concerned parties here, I would be very, very surprised to find out that has not been happening.