The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[hellfire]

Fucked if I'm bothering with all that pronoun nonsense.

[Blackout]

Fucked if I'm bothering with all that pronoun nonsense.

You can get arrested for that now.

[hellfire]

Fucked if I'm bothering with all that pronoun nonsense.

You can get arrested for that now.

Under what act?

[Caomhaoin]

Most people, myself, the 'Mexican Führer' included (the bird got a good chuckle out of that, nice one Andy) with a commission in Waffen SS Das Reich battle group, have no issue whatsoever in treating transsexuals with respect on an individual level.

The problem is the self appointed representatives and advocacy groups pushing all the science and reality denial and martyrdom have everyone walking on eggshells around the issue. The pronoun bullshit backed up by legislation and the threat of expulsion from social media etc is going to have the opposite of the intended effect.

If a man wants to act like he's a woman or vice versa, fire away. Society shouldn't have to bend over backwards to amend the English language and pretend to believe in the trans-doctrine simply to avoid hassle.

[Kurt Cocaine]

If it's got a dick, it's not a chick.
If it's got a pussy, I might not be too fussy!

[Kunt 4 Life]

I do wonder how many of the people screaming Trans women are real women would actually date a trans woman who still had her Wang.

[lifeeternal]

I do wonder how many of the people screaming Trans women are real women would actually date a trans woman who still had her Wang.

Shemale porn is very popular.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

A lot of the madness is built up reaction to people having been dicks for the longest time about refusing, in the simplest scenario on the spectrum, to call a man living as a woman "she", or a woman living as a man "he", long before all the rest of the pronouns rolled in. Live and let live is a two way street, so I guess it's good to have living, breathing examples of bull-headed contrarianism on view, so that the relevance is still blatantly visible and can't be fobbed off as, "That changed ages ago, why are they still going on about it!?"

[astfgyl]

I do wonder how many of the people screaming Trans women are real women would actually date a trans woman who still had her Wang.

If they were simply real women, they wouldn't be partaking of the alphabet soup and we wouldn't be hearing about how we need to accept them for what they are.

They'd all be killed if they were simply accepted as being the sex they have transitioned to anyway. Where'd be the acronym and associated lifestyle in that?

Imagine it... "no, you're a woman now, end of, so fuck up going on about what you used to be". Like one of those gimps in the pub who bangs on about getting trials with Everton as a kid and they could have been this that or the other but now they are in the community employment with a history of drugs and mental issues and nobody would truly care or even judge them, if only they would fuck up about it.

Anyway, live and let live and I will call you whatever you want but unless you have something other than how you define yourself as a personality to speak of, it just throws you into the boring shite category and I can't be arsed.

Same shit with the racial crowd. Be any colour you like, just fuck up about it.

[Kurt Cocaine]

A lot of the madness is built up reaction to people having been dicks for the longest time about refusing, in the simplest scenario on the spectrum, to call a man living as a woman "she", or a woman living as a man "he", long before all the rest of the pronouns rolled in. Live and let live is a two way street, so I guess it's good to have living, breathing examples of bull-headed contrarianism on view, so that the relevance is still blatantly visible and can't be fobbed off as, "That changed ages ago, why are they still going on about it!?"

So 'yer one' in Edinburgh Airport a couple of years ago who wrapped up my two bottles of Ardbeg probably didn't appreciate it when I turned away and said "Thanks pal" after I paid her?

[Kurt Cocaine]

A lot of the madness is built up reaction to people having been dicks for the longest time about refusing, in the simplest scenario on the spectrum, to call a man living as a woman "she", or a woman living as a man "he", long before all the rest of the pronouns rolled in. Live and let live is a two way street, so I guess it's good to have living, breathing examples of bull-headed contrarianism on view, so that the relevance is still blatantly visible and can't be fobbed off as, "That changed ages ago, why are they still going on about it!?"

So 'yer one' in Edinburgh Airport duty free a couple of years ago who wrapped up my two bottles of Ardbeg probably didn't appreciate it when I turned away and said "Thanks pal" after I paid her?

[Caomhaoin]

A lot of the madness is built up reaction to people having been dicks for the longest time about refusing, in the simplest scenario on the spectrum, to call a man living as a woman "she", or a woman living as a man "he", long before all the rest of the pronouns rolled in. Live and let live is a two way street, so I guess it's good to have living, breathing examples of bull-headed contrarianism on view, so that the relevance is still blatantly visible and can't be fobbed off as, "That changed ages ago, why are they still going on about it!?"

It comes down to whether you value truth or polite untruth more highly.

You're working in science, a man is a man down to his bones and his brain chemistry. He's got the XY. Even mickey removal and hormones can't change the fundamentals. I'd personally probably just say she to avoid hassle and tears, but it's bullshit, polite bullshit I'll grant you, to call a man 'she', no matter how many lines of oestrogen he sorts of a morning.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'm working in brain chemistry, to be precise, and how that relates to behavior. And what you're saying only holds up within a very naive conception of both neurobiology and language. It's not at all a question of truth versus polite untruth, it's a question of science not having as many answers as would convenience certain people. We have no reason to believe that gender dysphoria, while probably influenced - as with addiction, schizophrenia, dementia, etc. - by environmental factors, doesn't also have a genuine neurobiological underpinning. So, imagine if someone's nervous system is genuinely making them feel like they belong to another gender (a simplistic analogy to phantom limb syndrome may help the imagination along), at a genuine neurophysiological level, is it merely a polite untruth to refer to them as he or she upon their request and based on how they dress, etc.? Folk used to think schizophrenia was demon possession!

[Kunt 4 Life]

I do wonder how many of the people screaming Trans women are real women would actually date a trans woman who still had her Wang.

Shemale porn is very popular.

Something you want to tell us...

[Caomhaoin]

We have no reason not to believe wouldn't hold up in court, I'd imagine.

So yes, I do believe it's untruth, because even if it is at a neurobiological level (I haven't seem any evidence that it is), it's still a fallacy on a physiological level. A woman is a woman is a woman is a woman. I mentioned that I wouldn't be overly bothered in saying 'she' to a transsexual person if they asked me to do so, but no further than that.

Pretending that the huge Shrek looking brute playing Olympic handball for Australia and pummelling the poor girls on the other teams isn't a man? Bend the language into nonsensically stupid knots at the barrel of a gun? No, thank you.

I don't think you're looking too far down the road with where this is going, or maybe you are and you're ok with it, but I've a feeling it's partly because you are loathe to give Dr Peterson any kind of validation whatsoever.