The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Eoin McLove]

Lads,  your lobster analogy is way off.  Lobsters are blue when they are alive,  they only turn red when they are cooked.

BOOM!

MIC DROP...

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The only good authoritarian is a cooked authoritarian!

[Eoin McLove]

Speaking of hateful despicable and irredeemable Nazis, I listened to a great chat between Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry earlier. It was incredibly interesting and quite positive and uplifting in tone. The two boys, while being nominally from opposite political backgrounds had a really great rapport. It felt like a real collaborative effort from both of them to get their ideas across. Well worth a listen.

[Ollkiller]

So the problems in Belarus are because of socialism. Lads I have definitely heard it all now. No more internet for me.

[Blackout]

Always amuses me when the usual woke, sjw morons take one thing out of context - such as the much ballyhooed lobster analogy  - to attack JP OR anyone who maligns their poisonous ideologies.

[Caomhaoin]

 Chris you talk about football like Mark Corrigan!

'We're going to really stick it in their goal hole'.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Always amuses me when the usual woke, sjw morons take one thing out of context - such as the much ballyhooed lobster analogy  - to attack JP OR anyone who maligns their poisonous ideologies.

Just like Kev getting offended by the word "trans" in a post that was otherwise literally third reich ideology, you take as moronic an obviously ironic reference to lobsters that was a riposte to the century-long ballyhooed blaming of "socialism" for various tyrannies. Did you get the bit where I referred to countries that have the word "democratic" in their name even though they aren't democratic at all? If so, then you got that I was saying it would be the height of stupidity to blame "democracy" for what happens in any of those countries, right? Well, the lobster thing was the same. Make a stupid claim, get a stupid answer; it's my new policy for this thread. Apparently I need to crank the stupidity up another notch to make it register though.

[Caomhaoin]

Says the man who claims the army will need more and more 'tactical officers'😂😂

You know that an officer is, for the most part, a commissioned soldier? I mean, all officers but also all men and NCOs could be used 'tactically', but if you are qualifying them it'd be cavalry, infantry etc. Pilots are almost exclusively officers. The girl being mocked from that video said she was a corporal which makes her an NCO, enlisted, not an officer. 'Tactical officers' 😂

You've cranked up the ignorance at least, fire away

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Says the man who claims the army will need more and more 'tactical officers'😂😂

You know that an officer is, for the most part, a commissioned soldier? I mean, all officers but also all men and NCOs could be used 'tactically', but if you are qualifying them it'd be cavalry, infantry etc. Pilots are almost exclusively officers. The girl being mocked from that video said she was a corporal which makes her an NCO, enlisted, not an officer. 'Tactical officers' 😂

You've cranked up the ignorance at least, fire away

It was pretty clear what I was talking about. Here brainiac, have a look at the ASVAB requirements for infantry:
https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/career-match/ground-forces/firearms-ammunition/11b-infantryman.html

Compared to system operator (the role held by Emma Malonelord, the soldier the recruitment video was made about):
https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/career-match/aviation/detecting-aerial-threats/14g-air-defense-battle-management-system-officer.html

Obviously the domains are different, but those required results are percentiles. 87 in one category for infantryman versus 98 and 99 in two categories for system operator.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

How many people down-voting that video on the basis of their comic book idea of soldiers, honestly now, do you think would be able to hit those requirements? I mean, honestly now Kev, honestly??

[Caomhaoin]

What's your point? That you'd need a bit more about you to operate missile defence systems than you would a rifle? I agree, however that person was enlisted as a private soldier, and any enlisted soldier (your grunts, frontschwein) would be eligible to specialise in such a manner. A degree from a liberal arts college (unlikely to foster assertiveness, non-hesitation, loyalty, killer instinct) is hardly a requirement, common sense and not being an imbecile would be more practical.

I pulled you up on the 'tactical officer' thing because you pride yourself on precision and empiricism, yet you used a cringeworthy non-position to mask your ignorance and assumptions about military matters, which paradoxically exposed them.


Time spent at university doesn't increase ones IQ, not ones suitability for a military career unless specifically designed for that purpose in the case of the latter. Although in your case it has increased verbosity and snootiness.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Who said anything about a liberal arts college? The corporal in the video went to UC Davis. What I said is that as the most highly educated shift overall towards more "progressive" leanings, if the army wants to recruit from among them, as it needs to do, then it will need to change its recruiting strategy. Which is what it has done. One area I'm not a Mark Corrigan in is interest in the minutiae of military matters and related terminology, but I do know enough to see the idiocy of comparing a video recruiting for positions in operations, whatever their actual label, to a video recruiting for infantry.

So my point is what it has been since the start; the US Army knows what it is doing, and it is not a box-ticking exercise. It is a brightest and best recruiting exercise that has flown over the heads of the cackling retrobates. Not that I'm enthralled by the US military gaining in strength where it really matters in today's world, but that's what is happening.

[Caomhaoin]

Why would an army require 'highly educated' recruits? It's officers are trained and educated at military academies, unless there is an exemption, like in the Irish army, a doctor is given the rank of captain upon commission?

Surely, the training for what that video shows is done 'in-house', and in the US, it's highly unlikely that a computer science graduate is going to sacrifice a career in tech to go David Goggins and 'stop giving a shot what other people think', no?

A university education regardless of the discipline seems to be the gold standard for you. Some of the most capable people I know never set foot in one.

By the way, an advertisement for infantry? The US and all other militaries are made up up various Corps, you don't just sign up and say 'infantry please'.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The requirements for that system operator post, as determined by the ASVAB score - most likely completed as part of the admission and orienteering phase - would be of a similar level as the requirements for the best schools in the US. If the Army successfully recruits from within those schools, such as UC Davis, then it is pretty much guaranteed to have recruited individuals matching those highest requirement levels. 99 is the highest score. You need to score better than 99% of people who take the relevant tests in order to hit that. That was the bit of a trick question part of asking how many of the people down-voting the video would be able to get such scores. Even being charitable and assuming they represent a normal segment of the population, only 1% of them is the answer.

I'm sure you know lots of very capable people who never set foot in a university, I also do. In fact, the people I learnt most from in life never did. But that's arguing from anecdote, and not really the kind of thing you would base a recruitment drive on. It's not "my" gold standard, it's just a good, strategic place to recruit, alongside high schools, and that's why you have military recruiters popping up more or less regularly at most college campuses in the US. Again, they know what they're doing. Your principal mistake all along was to start out by thinking the US Army had made some kind of "error" in their approach here. No. They know what they're doing, and you're just turning in circles in your prejudices.

[Caomhaoin]

My prejudices? Your blanket dismissal of anyone who downvoted the video as a low iq simpleton is the black to my kettle, even though I'm not sure which kettle I'm supposed to be prejudiced against this time.