The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[astfgyl]

George watches too many blue movies. It's well known that he's deep into them.

[livingabortion]

He probably has kinks that are crimes against normality.

[ldj]

If your mate had been disturbed to the point of reporting himself as a rape victim, then he simply would have been in the same position as tens of thousands of girls who have woken up to a man having sex with them without explicit verbal consent. I.e. he wouldn't have much of a case at all, unless he could a) prove he asked for it to stop and b) prove that she didn't.

Would also be difficult because as under Irish law a woman can't rape a man.

[livingabortion]

If your mate had been disturbed to the point of reporting himself as a rape victim, then he simply would have been in the same position as tens of thousands of girls who have woken up to a man having sex with them without explicit verbal consent. I.e. he wouldn't have much of a case at all, unless he could a) prove he asked for it to stop and b) prove that she didn't.

Would also be difficult because as under Irish law a woman can't rape a man.

What? Really?

[lifeeternal]

If your mate had been disturbed to the point of reporting himself as a rape victim, then he simply would have been in the same position as tens of thousands of girls who have woken up to a man having sex with them without explicit verbal consent. I.e. he wouldn't have much of a case at all, unless he could a) prove he asked for it to stop and b) prove that she didn't.

Would also be difficult because as under Irish law a woman can't rape a man.

What? Really?

Yeah rape is specifically defined as a male on female crime in the statute books. Women get carded with sexual assault.

[Caomhaoin]

I've never been given explicit verbal consent by anyone to have sex with them. Am I a rapist?

As regards the rape statute, what happens if it's male on male?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I dunno Kev; have you ever put your penis inside a sleeping woman you had no reason to believe wanted you to? Because that was the context. C-o-n-t-e-x-t.

[Caomhaoin]

No, but explicit verbal consent? I don't think that ever happens. I get your point, but how weird would it be to hear 'ok come ahead big lad, i consent'?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

"I suppose a ride is out of the question?"
"Hang on til I get this line done."
"Ya serious?"
"I suppose so."

That is explicit verbal consent.

"Wanna fuck?"
"Hell yeah!"

That is explicit verbal consent.

I mean, if you never get such enthusiastic responses...you're not still wearing that sleeveless Skyforger shirt are ya??

[Eoin McLove]

 That's why it's so complicated. It's a he said/she said scenario in many cases.

[astfgyl]

That's why education and a bit of decency and morality ingrained into kids from a young age is probably the closest we would get to solving that problem. It's unfortunate for those failed by the system but I can't see any other way.

[Caomhaoin]

"I suppose a ride is out of the question?"
"Hang on til I get this line done."
"Ya serious?"
"I suppose so."

That is explicit verbal consent.

"Wanna fuck?"
"Hell yeah!"

That is explicit verbal consent.

I mean, if you never get such enthusiastic responses...you're not still wearing that sleeveless Skyforger shirt are ya??

That shirt is somewhere in me Ma's house, although it's probably not in its 2007/8 glory.

I dunno though, the ride usually just happens, the not telling you to fuck off is a good sign. There is a grey area with large amounts of alcohol involved, granted. Nevertheless, needing 'verbal consent' is a little dystopian. Im thinking of Stallone riding yer one in Demolition Man.

[Nixer]

A morbidly obese woman took advantage of me when I was too drunk to consent once. All the lads still make jokes about it. It's actually really unfair.

[Kunt 4 Life]

A morbidly obese woman took advantage of me when I was too drunk to consent once. All the lads still make jokes about it. It's actually really unfair.

Do you want to talk about it?

It's not your fault, Nix.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Nevertheless, needing 'verbal consent' is a little dystopian. Im thinking of Stallone riding yer one in Demolition Man.

You don't need verbal consent if there is some kind of other conscious explicit consent. But if a girl is fast asleep, drunk or otherwise, and you have no reason to believe that if she wasn't asleep she would be consenting, then any kind of non-verbal, physical acquiescence she may give while sleeping can't count as consent.

The ideal situation would be a culture shift towards sex positivity, where girls can enthusiastically express the wish for sex without a background culture of that making her a "slut", etc. In that kind of situation, guys would far less have the behavior of people raised to see sex as something that would often have to be coerced out of someone.