The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Emphyrio]

Ah twas only Mohammed? Should only have had his left eye gouged out so.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Horrific thing to happen. All the same, a very odd thing to present in class to 13 year olds, not really old enough to process why the cartoon is even supposed to be humorous. At the very least, he should have known he was putting his job on the line, as much as he would have been had he shown a cartoon of a naked Jesus flirting with a cameraman to the same age group (there's still a huge Catholic population in France). The state some non-religious people get themselves into over gender theory potentially being introduced in school, you can just imagine the headspace of a practicing Muslim whose 13 year old comes home saying their teacher was showing them pictures of Mohamed naked. In terms of ill-thought out decisions, it objectively goes way beyond Charlie Hebdo's act of drawing and publishing the cartoons in a weekly that is explicitly marketed to politically savvy adults.

[Emphyrio]

Have you any links that give the context of what the lesson was about? I wouldn't know where to look re French media. Like, was the teacher going for a taking the piss thing and so asked the Muslims to leave or was it a serious lesson but he realised Muslims would probably take it the wrong way?

If it was a serious lesson, 13 is plenty old. We're supposed to do lessons in primary on world religions. The only part of teaching religion I enjoy is the debate aspect.

[Eoin McLove]

Yeah, an odd thing to do, but fuck these insane cunts chopping heads off over it. If they are that upset about something so trivial they should cut their own stupid fucking heads off.

[Eoin McLove]

I hate the west. I hate their loose morals and godlessness. I hate their liberal ideas and openness to diversity. I think I'll move to the west! Nah fuckhead, stay were you are,  thanks.

[Emphyrio]

That's kind of it in a nutshell. In theory, multiculturalism sounds great but it does come with its own problems.

[Eoin McLove]

And if you grow up here but hate it and wish to live under Sharia law then fuck off to one of those ridiculous countries and leave the normal humans to it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Have you any links that give the context of what the lesson was about? I wouldn't know where to look re French media. Like, was the teacher going for a taking the piss thing and so asked the Muslims to leave or was it a serious lesson but he realised Muslims would probably take it the wrong way?

If it was a serious lesson, 13 is plenty old. We're supposed to do lessons in primary on world religions. The only part of teaching religion I enjoy is the debate aspect.

It wasn't a lesson on religion, it was in a kind of civic education class. I think 13 is too young to even properly process the choice of "I'm going to show some things which may be offensive to Muslim people. If you would like to leave the class now, you may." That's a lot to unpack when you're 13, both in terms of peer pressure, curiosity, etc. Given the nature of the images, there was a very high chance some would stay behind who would in fact be shocked by what the teacher was showing them.

I mean, it's a weird one. Since I'm watching The Sopranos at the moment, the parallel that comes to mind is, if I insulted a mob boss' wife in front of people I knew were in with him and then I got shot over it, you wouldn't necessarily say I deserved death for an insult, but you would say I was asking for it*.

I do agree with Andy though too, and anyone in any way involved should have the book reefed at them.


*I was totally asking for it, but witness protection in France is going great so far and I think the MI username change really helped.

[Emphyrio]

I think you're doing the youth a disservice. Just coming at it from my situation, I see fairly indoctrinated 10 year olds, whether Catholic or Muslim. And that's great in a sense cos it leads to good debate. E.g I did a lesson on the solar system, leading to the big bang which led to a discussion on creationism. This stuff should be encouraged. Why is anything Islam-related totally off limits? If you're so precious about it, as the baulde McLove says, fuck off back to Sharia-land.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I would expect 10 year olds and 13 year olds to be able to debate against ideas they don't hold. That should be encouraged, and that is a daily occurrence in French education since everyone is taught evolution, for example. I'm talking about putting the onus on 13 year olds to separate themselves from their peer group based on a warning of something that they, probably, have never actually experienced first-hand, stirring curiosity which would then have to be inhibited at a totally abstract moral level. To my mind, that is far more in the region of why we don't give 13 year olds the vote than why it's good to encourage kids to defend their beliefs, because some things are genuinely complex to process, and are a question of elective action not just talk. It was sheer madness, if you ask me, though if anything that only makes his end all the more lamentable.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Why do all sand niggers grow moustaches?

Coz they wanna look like their mother....

[Kunt 4 Life]

If I was at school and the teacher said to people they could leave the class, there'd be  nobody left. Any excuse for us to get out of class, and if there was any body who did really want to stay, they'd leave as well as they would get picked on for being a swot or gaylord.

These kids getting 6 months off from school. And then not having to do exams and grades given to them, never had it so good.

[Eoin McLove]

I heard some oul one on the radio recently talking about all the stress the students went through this year between Covid and the leaving cert. What fucking leaving cert??  I nearly crashed the car! The fact that everyone was playing along and acting like teenagers have had a rough year was so far into the realm of fantasy it was almost beyond belief. Almost every single evening this summer when we were out walking we saw scores of school kids drinking cans on their six month summer holiday.  Stress, my hoop!

[Caomhaoin]

Horrific thing to happen. All the same, a very odd thing to present in class to 13 year olds, not really old enough to process why the cartoon is even supposed to be humorous. At the very least, he should have known he was putting his job on the line, as much as he would have been had he shown a cartoon of a naked Jesus flirting with a cameraman to the same age group (there's still a huge Catholic population in France). The state some non-religious people get themselves into over gender theory potentially being introduced in school, you can just imagine the headspace of a practicing Muslim whose 13 year old comes home saying their teacher was showing them pictures of Mohamed naked. In terms of ill-thought out decisions, it objectively goes way beyond Charlie Hebdo's act of drawing and publishing the cartoons in a weekly that is explicitly marketed to politically savvy adults.

The man was decapitated and you are essentially saying that he was asking for it. Quelle surprise.No catholic is going to attack you with a machete for 'heresy', nor would a Protestant unless you were in 1640's Scotland.

Islam is the only religion that cultivates this kind of barbarity. I hope the perpetrator took one one in the balls before he received the coup de grace.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

He was asking for something. What he did, as a teacher, dividing his pupils among themselves along religious belief lines, is inadmissible. He should have been harshly disciplined; he might still be alive today! What happened to him is also inadmissible, and I hope they're able to bring justice against more people than just the killer.