The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'd as soon watch a film about women's rights made by the Saudi government as a "documentary" about trans rights made by The Daily Wire.

[Caomhaoin]

It's not a documentary about 'trans' rights.

[Snare]

This case is some load of shite, are the courts going to give him a custodial sentence for putting his hand on some mad bitches tits?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/1298336-micheal-o-leidhin-court/

"his client accepted the jury's verdict and had expressed his remorse and regret"

The complainant is lucky the jury of his peers wasn't taken exclusively from users here, especially seeing as they so easily formed their own steadfast opinions after witnessing none of the trial  🤔

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It's not a documentary about 'trans' rights.

Exactly. From the trailer it reminds me of Bill Maher's unbearable "documentary" about religion, which was also mainly him being smug and baiting people in order to accrue more smugness. And look where it all got him: he got so smug, his face melted into Odo from DS9!

[Caomhaoin]

I saw that that one. All I kept thinking was 'what an asshole'.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

He is the living embodiment of an asshole.

[Ollkiller]

This case is some load of shite, are the courts going to give him a custodial sentence for putting his hand on some mad bitches tits?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/1298336-micheal-o-leidhin-court/

"his client accepted the jury's verdict and had expressed his remorse and regret"

The complainant is lucky the jury of his peers wasn't taken exclusively from users here, especially seeing as they so easily formed their own steadfast opinions after witnessing none of the trial  🤔

Well put.

[Eoin McLove]

It's a public trial and the details are uncontested by either party, and are there to be read within that article. What's the issue? We have drawn a different conclusion to you therefore we aren't allowed to voice our opinions?

I think the dude made a mistake by straddling her while she was asleep, but given the rest of the details (how he stopped as soon as she asked him to and how they had been, up until a short amount of time before, engaging in consensual sexual activity and both were very drunk) I don't think that his behaviour warrants having his life ruined. I also believe, maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me, that she must have a back story. Could an act like that really make her suicidal and result in such a fallout in every aspect of her life? Maybe this was more of a triggering episode that awakened some pre- existing PTSD. That would seem a more likely scenario, but he can hardly be blamed for that?

Who knows. I think that in this case and from my point of view (as morally reprehensible as it seems to be), the punishment far outweighs the crime.

Sure look it.

[Ollkiller]

It's a public trial and the details are uncontested by either party, and are there to be read within that article. What's the issue? We have drawn a different conclusion to you therefore we aren't allowed to voice our opinions?

I think the dude made a mistake by straddling her while she was asleep, but given the rest of the details (how he stopped as soon as she asked him to and how they had been, up until a short amount of time before, engaging in consensual sexual activity and both were very drunk) I don't think that his behaviour warrants having his life ruined. I also believe, maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me, that she must have a back story. Could an act like that really make her suicidal and result in such a fallout in every aspect of her life? Maybe this was more of a triggering episode that awakened some pre- existing PTSD. That would seem a more likely scenario, but he can hardly be blamed for that?

Who knows. I think that in this case and from my point of view (as morally reprehensible as it seems to be), the punishment far outweighs the crime.

Sure look it.

And all could be valid points. Wasn't saying no one could voice their opinion. Only agreeing with snare that there's a big difference between the information available in a newspaper article and a full trial. Does his life need to be ruined. Probably not but who knows. If there's anything to be learnt maybe it's that if you get with a woman for the first time if she's asleep don't get up on her and start groping her.

[Eoin McLove]

Definitely a bad move.

[91/30]

It's a public trial and the details are uncontested by either party, and are there to be read within that article. What's the issue? We have drawn a different conclusion to you therefore we aren't allowed to voice our opinions?

I think the dude made a mistake by straddling her while she was asleep, but given the rest of the details (how he stopped as soon as she asked him to and how they had been, up until a short amount of time before, engaging in consensual sexual activity and both were very drunk) I don't think that his behaviour warrants having his life ruined. I also believe, maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me, that she must have a back story. Could an act like that really make her suicidal and result in such a fallout in every aspect of her life? Maybe this was more of a triggering episode that awakened some pre- existing PTSD. That would seem a more likely scenario, but he can hardly be blamed for that?

Who knows. I think that in this case and from my point of view (as morally reprehensible as it seems to be), the punishment far outweighs the crime.

Sure look it.

And all could be valid points. Wasn't saying no one could voice their opinion. Only agreeing with snare that there's a big difference between the information available in a newspaper article and a full trial. Does his life need to be ruined. Probably not but who knows. If there's anything to be learnt maybe it's that if you get with a woman for the first time if she's asleep don't get up on her and start groping her.

This case is some load of shite, are the courts going to give him a custodial sentence for putting his hand on some mad bitches tits?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0516/1298336-micheal-o-leidhin-court/

"his client accepted the jury's verdict and had expressed his remorse and regret"

The complainant is lucky the jury of his peers wasn't taken exclusively from users here, especially seeing as they so easily formed their own steadfast opinions after witnessing none of the trial  🤔

It's a public trial and the details are uncontested by either party, and are there to be read within that article. What's the issue? We have drawn a different conclusion to you therefore we aren't allowed to voice our opinions?

I think the dude made a mistake by straddling her while she was asleep, but given the rest of the details (how he stopped as soon as she asked him to and how they had been, up until a short amount of time before, engaging in consensual sexual activity and both were very drunk) I don't think that his behaviour warrants having his life ruined. I also believe, maybe I'm wrong but it would seem to me, that she must have a back story. Could an act like that really make her suicidal and result in such a fallout in every aspect of her life? Maybe this was more of a triggering episode that awakened some pre- existing PTSD. That would seem a more likely scenario, but he can hardly be blamed for that?

Who knows. I think that in this case and from my point of view (as morally reprehensible as it seems to be), the punishment far outweighs the crime.

Sure look it.

And all could be valid points. Wasn't saying no one could voice their opinion. Only agreeing with snare that there's a big difference between the information available in a newspaper article and a full trial. Does his life need to be ruined. Probably not but who knows. If there's anything to be learnt maybe it's that if you get with a woman for the first time if she's asleep don't get up on her and start groping her.

Haha, get to fuck, she's arse naked in your bed, gave you a blow job half an hour ago - of course you'd grope her tits to see if you'd get a bit more action.

A jury of peers, I wonder about that, probably a bunch of middle class jackeens.  His solicitor probably knew he hadn't a chance and took the line of least resistance in hope of a lighter sentence

[open face surgery]

Maybe he sensed that she was mentally deranged and pleaded guilty as damage control. #believeher #metoo #shitinhisbed

[Ollkiller]

Haha, get to fuck, she's arse naked in your bed, gave you a blow job half an hour ago - of course you'd grope her tits to see if you'd get a bit more action.

A jury of peers, I wonder about that, probably a bunch of middle class jackeens.  His solicitor probably knew he hadn't a chance and took the line of least resistance in hope of a lighter sentence

See the issue is that she went to sleep and he got on top of her and groped her. This is where he got into trouble. So no I don't agree feeling up a woman you've just met while she is asleep if appropriate behaviour. If you do that's your issue.

Whoever his counsel is is a moron. I wonder did he give a statement before talking to lawyer. His defence would be better off if he said he just went to sleep.

These type of cases don't go to court very easily either. I had to give a statement a while ago about an allegation against someone else at a house. Statements did not add up to the picture painted by the accuser so never went to court.

Most cases never go to court. So in most cases (not all obviously) there has to reliability in the statements.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Yer man must have knowingly or unknowingly admitted to what happened in the texts it says were exchanged the next day, precluding claiming it hadn't happened in court.

[Ollkiller]

Yer man must have knowingly or unknowingly admitted to what happened in the texts it says were exchanged the next day, precluding claiming it hadn't happened in court.

That's the crux of it. Somewhere along the line there was probably evidence he admitted to it.