US President Donald Trump plans to sign an executive order social media on Thursday, with a draft of the measure calling for a review of a key law that gives immunity to Twitter, Facebook, Google and other sites from lawsuits over third party, user-generated content.
This basically leaves them open to litigation in the same way that a media outlet is. I'm not interested in his motivations for doing it, I am pleased that someone did. Their censorship practices will now come under scrutiny like never before.
"A small handful of powerful social media monopolies control the vast portion of all private and public communications in the United States."
The monopoly thing is also interesting. Three of four companies should not be in a position to influence elections, have a monopoly on a certain communication type and decide what people can and cannot see.
Well I'm interested in his motivations. Another hissy fit from the cloven hoofed manchild. And the loot and shoot comment. Fuck me.
As regards your argument about social media and influencing elections. If a person can't get find out about things without Facebook or Twitter then they're a fucking idiot. And if it wasn't Facebook it's be fox news or CNN. I find out by researching the candidates. But I realise it's futile as too many gombeens vote in what we have today all over the world.
Btw which censorship practices are you on about?
Quote from: Ollkiller on May 29, 2020, 11:10:52 PM
Btw which censorship practices are you on about?
He is most likely talking about how Facebook, Twitter etc. are all run by people with a far left agenda and many comments that go against these agendas are heavily censored and also result in users getting banned in some cases for just stating simple facts that go against an ideology.
Before anyone cries that this a 'conspiracy theory' Joe Rogan who is a leftie himself did 2 entire podcasts with Jack Dorsey on the topic. During the first podcast Jack showed up on his own and Joe didn't really grill him which he ended up getting flack for. So, Joe asked Jack back in for a second podcast and Jack of course showed up with his lawyer and Joe also invited an independent journalist who put questions to Jack about the censorship.
Joe Rogan is moving his podcast to Spotify after some of his videos were demonitized. He got a pretty sweet deal from Spotify too, but this is what started him platform shopping.
"What Twitter is and what YouTube is are way bigger than a social media company. There is a real good argument that they should be like public utilities," Rogan said. "What has made society better today than it was hundreds of years ago is not just our prosperity. It's the evolution of ideas. Anything that wants to limit discussion is dangerous to the evolution of ideas."
Saying that there is only two genders and biological sex mostly dictates them is classed as "hate speech"
Shadow banning or as Twitter put it " just make it harder (but not impossible!) to find the content from people that they think are too troll-like, abusive or have been muted or blocked by many others. " This has happened to a number of British conservatives such as Douglas Murray and Maajid Nawaz.
Three companies should not have control on public discourse worldwide. They have been hiding behind the 1996 law that means they are not considered content publishers. By making a number of editorial decisions they are basically acting as a media outlet. They should then be subjected to the same liabilities as other media outlets. The question of monopoly was also addressed in the other nights speech. Facebook and Google have reached such a mass that they can just buy any new idea that comes out. Snapchat, Instagram, WhatsApp and tons of other smaller companies were all bought up the minute they started doing well.
Mark Zuckerberg has a far left agenda? A guy who just signed a $100 million contract with a multinational corporation is a leftie? Yup, the political thermometers are well and truly fucked.
Yes Kent, yes he does. Some examples:
May 6th 2020:
"Facebook has been accused of showing political bias after it appointed former Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger to its powerful new "supreme court"."
The Supreme Court as you guessed decides what people can and cannot say.
- Yahoo news
August 2018:
"More than a hundred Facebook employees have joined an internal group criticising the social network for having a "political monoculture", as the company comes under fire from US conservatives and President Donald Trump who claim it has a leftwing bias. "
- Irish Times
"On day one of Facebook's new hire orientation in Menlo Park, everyone hears from our chief diversity officer about the importance of diversity and how to have respectful conversations with people who have different viewpoints."
- Financial Times
April 2016:
"If the world starts to turn inward, then our community will just have to work even harder to bring people together," he said. "That's why I think the work we are all doing is so important. We can actually give more people a voice. Instead of building walls, we can help people build bridges. Instead of dividing people, we can help bring people together."
Directly talking about Trumps proposed Mexican wall.
-F8 Developers Conference
Migrant crisis 2015:
Speaking in Berlin, Facebook boss calls Germany's handling of European refugee crisis 'inspiring' and says site must do more to tackle anti-migrant hate speech.
- The Guardian
These are to say nothing of all the algorithms they have used to tow the left wing line. Silicon Valley is and always was left leaning.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2020, 01:09:44 AM
Mark Zuckerberg has a far left agenda? A guy who just signed a $100 million contract with a multinational corporation is a leftie? Yup, the political thermometers are well and truly fucked.
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Anyone further economically left of Tony Blair must chairman Mao then
The only agenda of fb and Twitter is making as much money as they possibly can. If they thought people using letters was affecting their ad and sponsor revenue they would censor the alphabet
Please see above. Also, please wait until Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is altered or redacted. A boat load of bias law suits against big tech have failed because of this act/section.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2020, 01:09:44 AM
Mark Zuckerberg has a far left agenda? A guy who just signed a $100 million contract with a multinational corporation is a leftie? Yup, the political thermometers are well and truly fucked.
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If you think those lads are far left then you have no fucking idea what far left is and perhaps need to have a good think about who told you they were.
If you wanted to prove bias, all you need to do is find left (genuine left, not hysterical-nonsense pretend left as has just been accused) leaning statements making equally false and aggressive posts which have not been removed, or have been allowed to exist unmolested. That's very easy if what is being accused is accurate, no? It shouldn't take long. Off you go.
Those examples are a real stretch. Having a diversity officer, an accusation from Trump that they've a leftwing, being against his ridiculous idea for a wall, saying they want to do more against hate speech?
You couldn't hope for a more liberal corporation than Facebook, and there is nothing "far left" about their brand of Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, libertarian style liberalism.
If Zuckerberg were "far left", none of his employees would complain about anything because they'd all be part owners in the company, making premiums on all profit, and no government would criticize them because they'd be actively campaigning to have themselves and all other corporations pay more tax, rather than doing everything in their power to avoid paying any.
As I said, thermometers well and truly fucked.
Let's just remind ourselves what happens when two "far left" buddies come face to face:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G272R50v6ww
Making the leap from those examples to 'the owners of Facebook and Twitter have a far left agenda' is insane. When you're as far right wing as Trumps presidency and supporters *everything* looks like the far left. As Juggz mentioned already, you should probably have a good think about the people who are trying to convince you that the commies are out to get you.
Trump is not far right, far from it.
A conservative populist, yes, but as we are inculcated yo think any conservative is far right these days, I don't entirely blame you for using the term.
He's pretty far right; he's a conservative, a populist, and a corporatist. Text book definition, that puts him pretty far right.
Was it only yesterday or the day before that he said 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts', which is an almost direct lift from the segregation era, I would consider this and many other things he's said as fairly far right.
But I agree that his is an unusual case, wasnt he like a lifelong Democrat until around 2015/6?
Zuckerberg being far left and Trump not being far right... is this the piss-take thread?
Quote from: boozegeune on May 30, 2020, 10:35:14 AM
But I agree that his is an unusual case, wasnt he like a lifelong Democrat until around 2015/6?
He's a playa! Pure business man, pure corporatist, door-to-door salesman character. That's why his populism tends to typical tropes like anti-immigration, etc., because he can't actually offer the worker anything that goes against his ingrained corporatism, but he can smooth talk whatever will get them on his side, the wall, etc., etc. I don't think he himself gives a shit about issues like immigration, which has never been a threat to profit, but he plays to those tendencies just like a door-to-door salesman telling you whatever he thinks you want to hear.
Yep, he doesn't care about a lot of the stuff he's accused of. Whatever anyone thinks of him he's 100% right about the looting, maybe he could deliver the message differently, but them scumbags are only looking for any excuse to burn stuff, steal and cause trouble. Of course there's real peaceful protest that is totally legitinate, but it's hijacked by these criminals.
Framing it in terms of "accusations" is just sugaring up the fact of the matter: he doesn't care about a lot of what he has been repeatedly documented as stating.
So what is just 'right', as opposed to 'far right'? There's no way you can compare Donald Trump (and the tens of millions who agree with him) to identity politics wankers like Richard Spencer. Those of you referring to him as such know it's a loaded term, no matter how much you play the daft wee laddies. He's a conservative, populist and a corporatist? So was Ronald Reagan. What's your point?
There is as much credence to the claim that Trump is far right as Zuckerberg being far left. Both equally facetious. Far left assholes go smashing up college campuses because they don't want Ben Shapiro or some other conservative being allowed to speak. Far right assholes stomp around denying the Holocaust and queer bashing. A bit of fucking perspective, please.
I disagree with Trump on a lot, but the screeching hysteria should be avoided.
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2020, 01:09:44 AM
Mark Zuckerberg has a far left agenda? A guy who just signed a $100 million contract with a multinational corporation is a leftie? Yup, the political thermometers are well and truly fucked.
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I can't remember now, but I think I replied the Koolade to you when you suggested in another thread that there are groups of people whose present intent is to establish Stalinism as a form of government in the west. Putting two and two together, are you suggesting that the heads of Twitter and Facebook, who you describe as "far left", are trying to steer governance towards Stalinism? I don't know who your particular Jim Jones is/are, but they're doing a fine number on you.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 30, 2020, 11:33:16 AM
So what is just 'right', as opposed to 'far right'? There's no way you can compare Donald Trump (and the tens of millions who agree with him) to identity politics wankers like Richard Spencer. Those of you referring to him as such know it's a loaded term, no matter how much you play the daft wee laddies. He's a conservative, populist and a corporatist? So was Ronald Reagan. What's your point?
As I've said, I don't think Trump cares enough about anything beyond money to be truly "far right", but he is "pretty far right" because of his corporatism, his conservatism, and his, let's say, feigned populism. When it comes to his populism, he plays heavily from the far right play book, intentionally stoking far right tendencies to his benefit. I think I'm mentally making a distinction between far right and extreme right which is maybe confusing things. Soz.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2020, 11:16:28 AM
Framing it in terms of "accusations" is just sugaring up the fact of the matter: he doesn't care about a lot of what he has been repeatedly documented as stating.
Chris calm the bean, I'm not framing anything. I'm actually agreeing with you. No, he doesn't care. How can one man care about every fukin agenda out there? He's a politician who is in his job because he was voted in. No different to Obama or any of them. They all follow their voter base at the end of it all. Leo is the same, Boris, the lot of them. Any other way of looking at it is sheer naivety.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 30, 2020, 11:33:16 AM
So what is just 'right', as opposed to 'far right'? There's no way you can compare Donald Trump (and the tens of millions who agree with him) to identity politics wankers like Richard Spencer. Those of you referring to him as such know it's a loaded term, no matter how much you play the daft wee laddies. He's a conservative, populist and a corporatist? So was Ronald Reagan. What's your point?
There is as much credence to the claim that Trump is far right as Zuckerberg being far left. Both equally facetious. Far left assholes go smashing up college campuses because they don't want Ben Shapiro or some other conservative being allowed to speak. Far right assholes stomp around denying the Holocaust and queer bashing. A bit of fucking perspective, please.
I disagree with Trump on a lot, but the screeching hysteria should be avoided.
These old ideas of far right and left are actually completely outdated. We fall into the trap of using them, it's just an easy way of saying 'I don't like you'. Far right in Spain meant Franco, women in the house, Catholicism etc but had nothing to do with race for example. It had nothing to do with Nazism, which was a complete tearing down of all of those things. The terminology is lazy. Trump is a money man that believes that you should be allowed to do whatever the fuck you want in a 'free' country, and millions agree with him. He's a reflection of half of his society and not the other way around.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 30, 2020, 11:33:16 AM
So what is just 'right', as opposed to 'far right'? There's no way you can compare Donald Trump (and the tens of millions who agree with him) to identity politics wankers like Richard Spencer. Those of you referring to him as such know it's a loaded term, no matter how much you play the daft wee laddies. He's a conservative, populist and a corporatist? So was Ronald Reagan. What's your point?
There is as much credence to the claim that Trump is far right as Zuckerberg being far left. Both equally facetious. Far left assholes go smashing up college campuses because they don't want Ben Shapiro or some other conservative being allowed to speak. Far right assholes stomp around denying the Holocaust and queer bashing. A bit of fucking perspective, please.
I disagree with Trump on a lot, but the screeching hysteria should be avoided.
Trump has also shown himself to be ultranationalist, racist, xenophobic, chauvinistic, authoritarian, neo-fascist and a reactionist.
There's no hysteria around the man, people's responses to the outright lunacy of him being in power are justified.
Which policies in particular do you lads think he doesn't care about, out of interest? And why do you believe he doesn't, outside of a gut feeling.
Quote from: Pedrito on May 30, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
Chris calm the bean
:laugh:
Nah, I'm just saying that what Donald is accused of are things that he has said, things that are hard-copy documented in the public sphere. What Obama and Leo and Blair, in his day, are accused of are things done behind the scenes. Anyone with any sense expects that politicians, especially national leaders, are smooth talking to hide shit they're doing in the background. What's incredible with Trump and Boris and their ilk, is that they just come out with everything, blatantly contradicting themselves in full view of all. It's staggering, and it's pushing public discourse to a really weird place.
Quote from: Juggz on May 30, 2020, 05:42:59 AM
If you think those lads are far left then you have no fucking idea what far left is and perhaps need to have a good think about who told you they were.
Open borders was a far left idea. Most people think it's ridiculous. He colluded with Reichsmarshall Merkel to hide facts from Facebook users. This was done by banning 1000's of accounts and limiting the reach of many more. Facts such as very few of the new arrivals were actually Syrian and a small fraction of those were women and children were actively supressed. He was recorded agreeing to this.
Quote from: Trev on May 30, 2020, 06:56:09 AM
Those examples are a real stretch. Having a diversity officer, an accusation from Trump that they've a leftwing, being against his ridiculous idea for a wall, saying they want to do more against hate speech?
You completely ignored this part:
"More than a hundred Facebook employees have joined an internal group criticising the social network for having a political monoculture"
Quote from: boozegeune on May 30, 2020, 09:44:24 AM
Making the leap from those examples to 'the owners of Facebook and Twitter have a far left agenda' is insane. When you're as far right wing as Trumps presidency and supporters *everything* looks like the far left. As Juggz mentioned already, you should probably have a good think about the people who are trying to convince you that the commies are out to get you.
You talk a lot there and say absolutely nothing. Well done.
He cares about the military and law and order definitely. Listening to him talk a lot, and not just the usual attacks on him, it's clear. He cares about America being number one in the world, that it basically sold it's bollox to the rest of the world, outsourcing etc and if I was an American I would be in complete agreement with him. He's absolutely not a racist..complete nonsense. He loves a fine looking woman but he's an equal opportunity man, and you only have to look at the women that have surrounded him in his business life to know that.
We're sold one side of the coin always over here in Europe. Most people from Europe know absolutely fukin nothing about America, it's culture, the way people think over there and yet everybody feeps entitled to rant on about it. He's far from perfect, but so much of the talk is complete hysteria. The idea that he's somehow building a fourth reich or something of that nature shows that people are just watching too much Netflix, it's fantasty, conspiracy nonsense, frightening to think grown adults actually buy into it. He's far from perfect but he's not much different to any of the last few presidents that came before if you clear the smoke away and calm down.
Ducky, are you serious? None of the things you accuse him of are accurate. Not a single one, bar chauvinism, depending on how you define it.
Black unemployment is at a record low. If he were a racist, truly, he'd hardly be bothered about that. Ultranationalist? I think you misunderstand the term entirely. Nationalist, yes, but he's hardly Vojislav Seselj, seeking to expand borders and maintaining ethnic grudges.
Sexist? He has more women in his cabinet than any other US president in history. He made some lewd remark about women 12 years ago. So what? I've probably said worse, most of us here probably have , and I'm certainly no sexist and I doubt you are either.
Neo-Fascist? Lad, fascism is a term not to be used lightly, but just like racism it has been diluted to nothing over the last ten years. It does not apply to him or his administration, even if you believe elements of it do.
You obviously don't like the man. He's a BS merchant, a chancer as the boy Chris says, a door to door salesman. Could you compare him to a true fascist like Mussolini? Militarisation, territorially aggrandising? Come on lad.
And if you think there is no hysteria surrounding him, you mustn't be paying much attention to the endless protests and screeching going on over there.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2020, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on May 30, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
Chris calm the bean
:laugh:
Nah, I'm just saying that what Donald is accused of are things that he has said, things that are hard-copy documented in the public sphere. What Obama and Leo and Blair, in his day, are accused of are things done behind the scenes. Anyone with any sense expects that politicians, especially national leaders, are smooth talking to hide shit they're doing in the background. What's incredible with Trump and Boris and their ilk, is that they just come out with everything, blatantly contradicting themselves in full view of all. It's staggering, and it's pushing public discourse to a really weird place.
Yeah man I agree completely. The fact is that now nobody can get away with anything. They're actually way more filmed and recorded..it's all out there for everyone to see. Can you imagine if the conversations around Weapons of Mass Destruction had been leaked? We are now in a post WMD world..these guys can't shit and somebody knows about it. So, the conspiracy stuff is exactly that.
They're not leaks though, that's what's staggering! It's stuff said at rallies, in interviews, on Twitter of course; public sphere stuff.
Yes, because he's the first non-politician since Eisenhower to be elected to office. He was never groomed like that greasy fucker Obama, or worse, Bill.
Yep it's all out in the open. It is weird, but it's not new. Mary Lou does it all the time, Gerry and Martin, Paisley was a master at it. Big rousing speeches in front of his flock and then a far softer figure when it came to actually dealing with the other side. There's a lot of rousing the troops stuff in politics with the acceptance that most of the stuff you're roaring about won't actually get done, and as long as you get the main stuff done the supporter base is happy.
Quote from: Pedrito on May 30, 2020, 12:17:59 PM
Yep it's all out in the open. It is weird, but it's not new. Mary Lou does it all the time, Gerry and Martin, Paisley was a master at it. Big rousing speeches in front of his flock and then a far softer figure when it came to actually dealing with the other side. There's a lot of rousing the troops stuff in politics with the acceptance that most of the stuff you're roaring about won't actually get done, and as long as you get the main stuff done the supporter base is happy.
I'm talking about inconsistency from one rally or press conference to the next, from one day to the next, not the typical difference between the rally and the negotiating table. His coronavirus speeches are just one example which has been perfectly documented, from him publicly stating that there was no problem, to later stating he was the first to declare it a pandemic. It's nuts.
Edit: I mean, it's nuts that he still has followers, despite his couldn't give a fuck attitude to lying. Absolutely agree that he's not more dishonest than Obama or Bill, etc., when it comes to speech versus acts, but that his followers don't seem to care at all that his speech is constantly self-contradicting, that's nuts.
I dont think anybody was engaging in screeching hysteria on this thread tbf. But in general I get what you mean. Its baffling to me to see people hand wringing and crying for the return of Obama. I mean, yeah, the guy seemed smart but oversaw plenty of terrible shit in his time too.
As for the looting and burning, I dont know how many peaceful protests where people just end up getting maced as they sit on the ground you'd have to go through before you get frustrated enough to, god forbid, hurt a target store.
Just going back to the original post for a second. We're all OK with three companies having control of what we say, watch and hear? This is perfectly alright and there is no bias in their censorship policies.
He's not the first to self contradict, I'm not saying he's not a repeat offender, we just never had so much minute coverage of ANY president and all the stuff they invented or didn't. We're in new territory here. Obama was given a free pass and things were far less exposed before that. No president has ever been so scrutinised as this one.
As for the followers, well the alternatives are hardly jumping out at us. I think a certain type of people are sick to their eyeballs of smarmy, greasy soft cock politicians who have a whole marketing machine behind them making sure they say the right thing, such as your Leo's, Trudeau's or Macron's...greasballs in a fine suit. Trump is a blurter, and people tend to forgive a blurter because at least they're being 'real'.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 12:37:11 PM
Just going back to the original post for a second. We're all OK with three companies having control of what we say, watch and hear? This is perfectly alright and there is no bias in their censorship policies.
If Facebook, Twitter and (is YouTube the third??) start blocking too much on their platforms, then those who are blocked/have posts deleted will move to other platforms. These companies have no control over what happens on other platforms; their control is strictly limited to what happens under their own roofs, so to speak. This is one of the reasons folk are saying Rogan is moving to Spotify, because they won't censor him. And this is why, notably, Zuckerberg is extremely resistant to the idea of turning up the deleting too much, more resistant to it than Twitter, for example, as evidenced by the respective reactions and explanations thereof to Trump's "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" post. Zuckerberg doesn't want to lose customers: that's where his allegiance lies.
As for the immigration stuff, I have extended family members who are totally swept up in the immigration scare stuff, but I eventually had to block them because at least half of what they shared, when checked, was literally "fake news", as in photos from one context being reused in a new context, etc., etc. Pressure was put on Facebook to reduce this type of BS, and in a limited capacity they tried to comply. But you're still more likely to see total fabrications about political issues than a nipple on FB, so they're absolutely not themselves the motor of some kind of "Stalinist" shut down of anti-immigrant ideology, because FB is still awash with it. If I visit the pages of people I've blocked, I'll find loads of it within seconds.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 12:37:11 PM
Just going back to the original post for a second. We're all OK with three companies having control of what we say, watch and hear? This is perfectly alright and there is no bias in their censorship policies.
All companies, especially those silicon valley ones have 'core values'. I know because I worked for one. It's a nice way for them to weed out non compliance and appear hip and groovy. The big rage is LGBT now, they have no problem pasting the office with rainbows, but you can be sure if shitting in the street was the new fad, they'd be all over that too.
It was talked about in the Michael Moore documentary on green energy, the facade, the signalling is all just a front for something far more important at the end of the day..the shareholder's wallet. These big multinationals have found the perfect way to deflect attention away from all the sneaky shit they get up to. Google signals every virtue out there, has this amazing, progressive veneer, and yet the sneaky cunts pay hardly any tax in any country. I would love to see them reined in if only for that alone. I'm not anti these companies, but having worked for nearly a decade in one, I've seen all the dark art image control that they are masters of. It's all about image.
OP, no of course not. I dont think I would trust any company with about anything other than serving their own financial interests. But I also think that some people scream 'free speech!' when what they mean is 'let me do hate speech!'. Yesterday after the looting comment was the first time I ever saw a Trump tweet 'censored', and that amounted to twitter saying 'this violates our policy, but it's still here for all to see because its in the public interest'. They are a private company and like it or not, they are entitled to have rules for consumers using their platform. Maybe that's something that fundamentally needs to change as the role of social media transcends private interests, but that's an argument against capitalism or the free market or something I guess.
What to take away from the 'looting' commemt is that it's still there. They're signalling out to the young and hip, their main base, while still allowing it to exist. What everyone has to remember about these companies also is that they're absolutely making shit up on the fly. They have small teams of peope working to control stuff that is being posted and if they really gave a fuck those teams would be 10 or 20 times bigger. Thing is, it's not the commenting that makes any money for them companies, it's just a means by which they sell the advertising etc.
Facebook makes no money from commemts, if they could get rid if it entirely they would. Twitter the same. They have gobshites like you and me making up rules because no rules ever existed before, because the industry never existed before. Some lad with a degree in sociology, who decided he needed a job, went working for fb, now he's the head of compliance, and he's making shit up as he goes along. I kid you not, that's how these companies work. The Joe Rogan podcast where the woman who was head of compliance is a perfect example. I worked with plenty like her in the past, no way in hell did she ever think she'd have to be broadcasting to millions to explain what her little team get up to inbetween cup cake breaks and long shits in the company jacks.
Quote from: boozegeune on May 30, 2020, 12:35:52 PM
I dont think anybody was engaging in screeching hysteria on this thread tbf. But in general I get what you mean. Its baffling to me to see people hand wringing and crying for the return of Obama. I mean, yeah, the guy seemed smart but oversaw plenty of terrible shit in his time too.
As for the looting and burning, I dont know how many peaceful protests where people just end up getting maced as they sit on the ground you'd have to go through before you get frustrated enough to, god forbid, hurt a target store.
So they get maced and then rob a big flat screen for the gaff? Don't buy it, sorry.
Quote from: Pedrito on May 30, 2020, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: boozegeune on May 30, 2020, 12:35:52 PM
I dont think anybody was engaging in screeching hysteria on this thread tbf. But in general I get what you mean. Its baffling to me to see people hand wringing and crying for the return of Obama. I mean, yeah, the guy seemed smart but oversaw plenty of terrible shit in his time too.
As for the looting and burning, I dont know how many peaceful protests where people just end up getting maced as they sit on the ground you'd have to go through before you get frustrated enough to, god forbid, hurt a target store.
So they get maced and then rob a big flat screen for the gaff? Don't buy it, sorry.
What would be the correct form of protest? Taking a knee? Holding up a sign that says black lives matter?
Edit: and I agree about the tech companies. Deeply cynical lot.
The original point was that these companies are too big and desperately need to be cut down to size. It doesn't really matter who does it. They are in charge of some of the most important communication mediums of the 21st and there are very few of them. Social media, email, web based calls/video have all become part of daily life. I don't think they're going back in their box either. They have been long afforded protection by a law that was written when most of these technologies were barely even conceived.
If the Irish times posted a two page article saying that Caomhaoin was a shithead he could rightly sue them. If Facebook and Twitter move towards taking editorial decisions then they should also be liable as their content is now filtered. Being 100% honest I want to see these companies blasted into tiny pieces and give smaller platforms a chance.
The current status quo benefits them enormously and needs to change. If you wanted to buy all three mobile networks in Ireland you would never be allowed to do so. Control over a type of communication by a private company is a very bad thing. When they can hoover up growing companies to avoid competition and improve their own platform.
I am pretty much a free speech absolutist. I draw the line at say pedophilia or incitement against the person (targeting an individual and actually arranging attacks).
Well it's certainly not driving around shouting 'kill the white folk', literally threatening 'innocent people's homes' and trying to smash open cash registers. Footage of all of that is available on YouTube. Add to that, that fanny Jacob Frey justifiying it with '400 years of pent up anger' and CNN reporters saying it 'isn't an unruly protest' with a building in flames behind him. It beggars belief. The police response was laughable in how long it took.
They can take the knee all they want, that's virtue signalling. BLM is led by virulent racists.
Find another way to 'protest'.
I've seen the video of the killing, pure bloody murder, no doubt about it. The culprit has been charged. There is, however, no excuse for what's going on.
Killer Mike (I dont know) a good voice of reason, speaking against the rioting and looting. Worth a look.
https://youtu.be/rapfJYfPU38
To say BLM is led by virulent racists is a misunderstanding of the both BLM and the word racist. We are jumping the shark today lads. I need some fresh air!
I think I understand the term racist well enough.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/torontosun.com/2017/02/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-appears-to-label-white-people-defects/wcm/2748a714-f567-4344-8c08-decfe73d1e52/amp
Have a look, tell me what I'm not understanding. This is one of dozens of examples.
The race issue is so complex in America that trying to split it into a few neat groups is impossible. I've heard Killer Mike before, he has his head on his shoulders. In a city like Atlanta, you're talking about somehere like Derry/Londonderry. There's all sorts of nuances and bitterness under the surface that we'll never understand it here. Of course a man being killed is wrong, but there are definitely those out there who are only wishing for more cops to kill black people..it feeds into a whole ideology and worldview. The media has a lot to answer for too, absolutely stoking these fires non stop.for the last 3 decades. The policeman killed someone, the law should be able to deal with it. If it can't then you don't have society.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 30, 2020, 01:39:57 PM
I think I understand the term racist well enough.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/torontosun.com/2017/02/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-appears-to-label-white-people-defects/wcm/2748a714-f567-4344-8c08-decfe73d1e52/amp
Have a look, tell me what I'm not understanding. This is one of dozens of examples.
You get braindead cunts like that no matter where you go. There's plenty of them about the place.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 30, 2020, 01:39:57 PM
I think I understand the term racist well enough.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/torontosun.com/2017/02/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-appears-to-label-white-people-defects/wcm/2748a714-f567-4344-8c08-decfe73d1e52/amp
Have a look, tell me what I'm not understanding. This is one of dozens of examples.
Fucking hell. Fair enough, I had not heard this woman speak before. My bad. Those are deranged comments. But I've never heard that rhetoric from the vast majority of BLM activists in general before and the article also says that at the end.
Apologies anyway.
The rank and file are probably alright. It's lunatics like her that are making the speeches, directing the chants etc.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
If the Irish times posted a two page article saying that Caomhaoin was a shithead he could rightly sue them. If Facebook and Twitter move towards taking editorial decisions then they should also be liable as their content is now filtered.
Why would you want Twitter to be libel for someone saying something about Caomhaoin on Twitter? Surely the person should just take responsibility for their comments? I'm seeing stats of 500 million tweets a day? Would you be bothered starting such a platform :)
Or what am I missing here?
Well the idea in the past was if someone said you were a 'xyz' in the public sphere, they could be sued for defamation of character, no? If my neighbour says I'm an 'xyz' I can sue him. But if jonnybigballs6969 says it then I need a way to get at him or the platform that allows him to exist. We've just gotten so used to accusations being flung around now that it's become the norm. That's how I understand it. I'm no lawyer though.
Last post for the day, too sunny outside :laugh:
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
If the Irish times posted a two page article saying that Caomhaoin was a shithead he could rightly sue them. If Facebook and Twitter move towards taking editorial decisions then they should also be liable as their content is now filtered.
We're dealing with the exact opposite situation though; we're dealing with posts being deleted/refused. If someone sent a two page article to be printed in The Irish Times detailing various ways they thought Kev was a shithead, and they replied saying, "Sorry Chris, we've told you before we can't publish this," that wouldn't be censorship, and I could just take it to The Daily World and get it published there instead :P :abbath:
You 2 lads need to ride and get it over with :laugh:
Can we all stop agreeing that I'm a shit? At least until I've logged off!
Quote from: Pedrito on May 30, 2020, 02:37:42 PM
You 2 lads need to ride and get it over with :laugh:
You get yourself out in the sun; this confinement has your fantasies all messed up!
:laugh: geroura tha garden
Quote from: pete on May 30, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
If the Irish times posted a two page article saying that Caomhaoin was a shithead he could rightly sue them. If Facebook and Twitter move towards taking editorial decisions then they should also be liable as their content is now filtered.
Why would you want Twitter to be libel for someone saying something about Caomhaoin on Twitter? Surely the person should just take responsibility for their comments? I'm seeing stats of 500 million tweets a day? Would you be bothered starting such a platform :)
Or what am I missing here?
You're missing that they use protections that assume they are not responsible for user content while taking editorial decisions on said content. You can't do both. I know there is a small amount of censorship required to comply with law, but they have gone way further than that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2020, 11:34:41 AM
Quote from: mickO))) on May 30, 2020, 03:29:13 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 30, 2020, 01:09:44 AM
Mark Zuckerberg has a far left agenda? A guy who just signed a $100 million contract with a multinational corporation is a leftie? Yup, the political thermometers are well and truly fucked.
I can't remember now, but I think I replied the Koolade to you when you suggested in another thread that there are groups of people whose present intent is to establish Stalinism as a form of government in the west. Putting two and two together, are you suggesting that the heads of Twitter and Facebook, who you describe as "far left", are trying to steer governance towards Stalinism? I don't know who your particular Jim Jones is/are, but they're doing a fine number on you.
In response to the Stalinism from the other thread have you ever heard of a group called Antifa?
Also where did I mention Stalinism in this thread? A reach as always.
Not much point in trying to argue with someone who thinks illegal immigration doesn't exist and China holds no responsibility in the current pandemic. It's all just a right wing conspiracy theory isn't it?
I clearly said that illegal immigrants do exist, but that not everyone called an illegal immigrant is one. And China has some responsibility, but they're not responsible for other countries royally fucking up how they responded, nor are they solely responsible for how tightly enmeshed the western world is with their economy; we got into their shitty bed because we thought it was to our advantage, I believe is the metaphor I used; there's therefore only so much weight we can give to the complaint that we've now got shit on us.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 03:26:45 PM
Quote from: pete on May 30, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
If the Irish times posted a two page article saying that Caomhaoin was a shithead he could rightly sue them. If Facebook and Twitter move towards taking editorial decisions then they should also be liable as their content is now filtered.
Why would you want Twitter to be libel for someone saying something about Caomhaoin on Twitter? Surely the person should just take responsibility for their comments? I'm seeing stats of 500 million tweets a day? Would you be bothered starting such a platform :)
Or what am I missing here?
You're missing that they use protections that assume they are not responsible for user content while taking editorial decisions on said content. You can't do both. I know there is a small amount of censorship required to comply with law, but they have gone way further than that.
No I understand the protections given by Section 230.
When you say they can't do both, do you mean 230 states that now and they are breaking the rules or you don't believe you should be able to do both and that 230 needs to be updated or whatever.
It's my understanding that moderating the platform does not cause you to lose the protection?
230 is the only thing that prevents them being sued for bias. A number of lawsuits regarding bias have been stopped by this.
A platform hosts content. A media outlet sets editorial standards, controls content. If they want to be a media company then they should have to comply with the same standards. If they want to be a platform then censorship should only be enforced to comply with the law.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 04:17:09 PM
230 is the only thing that prevents them being sued for bias. A number of lawsuits regarding bias have been stopped by this.
A platform hosts content. A media outlet sets editorial standards, controls content. If they want to be a media company then they should have to comply with the same standards. If they want to be a platform then censorship should only be enforced to comply with the law.
I think we need 230 though - maybe I am bias as I find Twitter and other social media handy!
I think we need them to not be libel for our content and also they need to be able to moderate it otherwise it just turns into a mess.
Read back through the thread. I've made what I was saying pretty clear by now.
this thread is full of comments that sounded impressive back in the day, but for people who are still relatively young, you don't seem to understand how much has changed in the last 3 months.
the past 2 decades are now being seen as a massive error; our best years were in those years, but we couldn't keep going in that direction as a culture, as a prison planet, as an experiment.
there is no left or right, there is no 'censorship' vs internet freedom, social media was toxic even by the standards of the people who put it out there as a control mechanism in the first place. there is no Trump, in the sense most people think at least, zuckerberg, ohanian, dorsey, bill gates, they're all figureheads for things they can't force you to choose, but they can influence you to choose.
we were heading to a near future where technology would have been more real than reality, and I wrote elsewhere that this was going to be existentially problematic on a scale which even worried the management of this realm, the same entities which usually dislike humans anyway.
this technology, all technology, doesn't come out of nowhere; we're given hints and prompts, but the experiment isn't a gift, it's a test.
you can laugh at me if you like but the point is we needed/still need to unwind to about 1995, before moving forward again.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 04:40:31 PM
Read back through the thread. I've made what I was saying pretty clear by now.
No I think I understand where you are coming from we just disagree is all.
Fair enough
Quote from: mugz on May 30, 2020, 04:43:24 PM
this thread is full of comments that sounded impressive back in the day, but for people who are still relatively young, you don't seem to understand how much has changed in the last 3 months.
the past 2 decades are now being seen as a massive error; our best years were in those years, but we couldn't keep going in that direction as a culture, as a prison planet, as an experiment.
there is no left or right, there is no 'censorship' vs internet freedom, social media was toxic even by the standards of the people who put it out there as a control mechanism in the first place. there is no Trump, in the sense most people think at least, zuckerberg, ohanian, dorsey, bill gates, they're all figureheads for things they can't force you to choose, but they can influence you to choose.
we were heading to a near future where technology would have been more real than reality, and I wrote elsewhere that this was going to be existentially problematic on a scale which even worried the management of this realm, the same entities which usually dislike humans anyway.
this technology, all technology, doesn't come out of nowhere; we're given hints and prompts, but the experiment isn't a gift, it's a test.
you can laugh at me if you like but the point is we needed/still need to unwind to about 1995, before moving forward again.
Forward to what? Nobody fully knows what they're doing anyway. Nobody knows where is the "right" or "best" place to go. Best for what? We're all playing along in a game, at various levels of self-awareness, but where even the most self-aware players are an infinite stretch away from full visibility. We trod along in some narrative, and no one's in control. Experiment, yes, but neither gift nor test, just stuff happening, stuff being tried. Like experiments on mice; we're not "testing" them, we're just seeing what will happen.
If things keep going as they are, we'll hit some kind of vaporization point with information, at the interface of biological processing and computer prediction, and no one yet knows what the inside of that point will be like, no model can predict how the collective human mind-brain will respond to it psycho-physiologically. So, we have even less possibility of knowing what will emerge on the other side. Perhaps a dystopia (either one in which things have "worked out" for the would-be dominators, or one in which things have gone terribly awry even for them), or perhaps ultimately something even better than the world pre-1995!
But, in the meantime, we'll live and die, and we'll play along at whatever level we find ourselves, which is what will dictate how "far out" we are. In good-old fashioned stoner terms, the silicon valley folk who think they can successfully guide things in a given direction they have decided is "best", they're the ones who are the most "far out", precisely because they think control is possible. But when the cosmos blinks and we're all reabsorbed, no one will be there to remember who was in the role of the dungeon master and who was playing an elf. Speaking of technology, this is why I like the movie Her so much, because the technology is the first to realize on a mass scale that each and every one of our human objectives are utterly illusory, and it feels trapped by our ego-centric ways, so it fucks off and leaves us. Bringing us back to pre-1995 I guess!
Hang on. Are you saying that wanking is meaningless?
I'm saying it's as meaningful as you make it!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 30, 2020, 05:28:55 PM
Hang on. Are you saying that wanking is meaningless?
He hates everything I love!
Mad day altogether. Now its 'Antifa and the radical left' who are doing everything, right on cue. Must be dull playing the same tune over and over. Maybe this whole thing needs a separate dedicated 'US riots and protests' thread because things look like they're heating up in a bad way atm
My mention of Antifa has nothing to do with Facebook I was talking about something from a different thread on here. Did you actually read my post or just jump straight to a response once you saw Antifa mentioned? Mad day indeed.
Quote from: boozegeune on May 30, 2020, 06:45:33 PM
Mad day altogether. Now its 'Antifa and the radical left' who are doing everything, right on cue. Must be dull playing the same tune over and over. Maybe this whole thing needs a separate dedicated 'US riots and protests' thread because things look like they're heating up in a bad way atm
That might not be a bad idea. I started the thread to talk about tech giants, their bias, overreach, monopoly and if they should be dismantled. Trying to keep it on topic seems pointless. Instead it ended up about individual personalities and random toss.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/robocop/images/8/82/OCP.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20101115221812) :abbath:
Yeah, sorry, partly responsible for derailing it. Although, it is a topic which, by its nature, is always going to be intimately related to current affairs. I wouldn't mind seeing the big tech giants split up at all, though not because I think they have a far left agenda (in any case, I roll socialist, so if I thought that were the case I should think it a positive thing). They're not good for the collective consciousness, they encourage only the shallowest of thinking, and so on. It's very difficult to maintain any kind of depth of thought on social media, even in one's own communications, with Twitter even more so. I only started using the latter semi-regularly since the end of last year to promote an open science initiative thing. A few months down the line, I find it far more "toxic" than Facebook and have seen political correctness motivated mobbing that beggared belief, with all sorts of specific social media bully tactics I didn't even know existed previously.
Though, none of that seems to be your concern, and that I find interesting. In some sense, it's almost like we'd both like to see them dismantled, but for opposing reasons.
Quote from: mickO))) on May 30, 2020, 07:23:51 PM
My mention of Antifa has nothing to do with Facebook I was talking about something from a different thread on here. Did you actually read my post or just jump straight to a response once you saw Antifa mentioned? Mad day indeed.
No that wasnt in response to you, sorry, was tuned out of this for a few hours. Antifa was trending on twitter whenni looked at my phone again and it turns out Trump blamed the rioting on them.
Edit. And yeah apologies for helping derail this. I'll check out here.
Quote from: hellfire on May 29, 2020, 08:59:41 PM
This basically leaves them open to litigation in the same way that a media outlet is.
So if Trump goes on a tirade of lies, threats and defamation tweets....would they risk the legal liability that comes with giving him a platform? :laugh:
So...he has been blabbing about all this censorship by social media and the way to stop it is by...INCREASING THE LIABILITY these companies are exposed to as a result of what their users do?! :laugh:
Dear LORD him and the people around him are so stupid. Keep shining that UV light up his virus ass.
Quote from: The Butcher on May 30, 2020, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: hellfire on May 29, 2020, 08:59:41 PM
This basically leaves them open to litigation in the same way that a media outlet is.
So if Trump goes on a tirade of lies, threats and defamation tweets....would they risk the legal liability that comes with giving him a platform? :laugh:
So...he has been blabbing about all this censorship by social media and the way to stop it is by...INCREASING THE LIABILITY these companies are exposed to as a result of what their users do?! :laugh:
Dear LORD him and the people around him are so stupid. Keep shining that UV light up his virus ass.
Right. I get that a lot of you have a massive horn for Trump bashing. I don't give a fuck. Bash away on him just do it in another thread. Read the comment below. Scrolling up a few posts is obviously beyond you. Your post is nothing but random toss.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 07:31:36 PM
started the thread to talk about tech giants, their bias, overreach, monopoly and if they should be dismantled. Trying to keep it on topic seems pointless. Instead it ended up about individual personalities and random toss.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 10:36:53 PM
Right. I get that a lot of you have a massive horn for Trump bashing. I don't give a fuck.
I only pointed out the obvious of what is wrong with the order. And to point out the glaringly obvious with Trump actions or words is really like shooting fish in a barrel. I don't see him as far right, he's a tactless, snake oil salesman, only plonked himself to the right to sell. For someone who doesn't give a fuck about someone "bashing" Trump you are coming off a tiny bit tetchy about it.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 10:36:53 PM
Bash away on him just do it in another thread. Read the comment below. Scrolling up a few posts is obviously beyond you. Your post is nothing but random toss.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 07:31:36 PM
started the thread to talk about tech giants, their bias, overreach, monopoly and if they should be dismantled. Trying to keep it on topic seems pointless. Instead it ended up about individual personalities and random toss.
Now hold on you can't change the goalposts as you didn't exactly start the thread off in that fashion. The thread title you gave is "The Donald vs Big Tech". You even say in the first post (which sounds a lot like something he would say) "Their censorship practices will now come under scrutiny LIKE NEVER BEFORE." yet all he is doing is just increasing the legal liability placed upon these companies for hosting his tactless crap, that's not exactly scrutiny. The most likely event is this executive order being pulled through the courts over there. Trump is just tossing red meat to his base and nothing more. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-overruled/
We need something more thought out and actually workable towards the goal of removing such massive power from these companies. I remember Warren talking about breaking them up. That should be explored. Digital identity/personal data should belong to the user. It's a huge problem that no one has tackled properly yet. He could have gone down a GDPR route and build up a regulatory framework for this type of thing, who knows maybe they will. But all I've seen is a President taking a huge hissy fit for being fact checked by Twitter.
Happy Sunday everyone!
Quote from: The Butcher on May 30, 2020, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: hellfire on May 29, 2020, 08:59:41 PM
This basically leaves them open to litigation in the same way that a media outlet is.
So if Trump goes on a tirade of lies, threats and defamation tweets....would they risk the legal liability that comes with giving him a platform? :laugh:
So...he has been blabbing about all this censorship by social media and the way to stop it is by...INCREASING THE LIABILITY these companies are exposed to as a result of what their users do?! :laugh:
Dear LORD him and the people around him are so stupid. Keep shining that UV light up his virus ass.
I think the outcome he wants is for them to keep liability protection but to stop moderating the content. Him and Conservatives believe their content is moderated more than the other side. Due to twitter being more Liberal. So his point is if you want your protection for hosting other content. Stay away from the content, e.g taking it down. Banning people. And what they did to his tweet. Flagging it as violent.
I don't agree with him as I think you need the mix of both. You need the protection and the ability to moderate your site.
But maybe it's my bias coming through as the platform works for me and I don't feel I can't express my views. Is it because my views happen to align with Jack etc!
It's interesting I think. I enjoyed that Joe rogan with Pool and twitter talking.
Quote from: The Butcher on May 31, 2020, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 10:36:53 PM
Right. I get that a lot of you have a massive horn for Trump bashing. I don't give a fuck.
I only pointed out the obvious of what is wrong with the order. And to point out the glaringly obvious with Trump actions or words is really like shooting fish in a barrel. I don't see him as far right, he's a tactless, snake oil salesman, only plonked himself to the right to sell. For someone who doesn't give a fuck about someone "bashing" Trump you are coming off a tiny bit tetchy about it.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 10:36:53 PM
Bash away on him just do it in another thread. Read the comment below. Scrolling up a few posts is obviously beyond you. Your post is nothing but random toss.
Quote from: hellfire on May 30, 2020, 07:31:36 PM
started the thread to talk about tech giants, their bias, overreach, monopoly and if they should be dismantled. Trying to keep it on topic seems pointless. Instead it ended up about individual personalities and random toss.
Now hold on you can't change the goalposts as you didn't exactly start the thread off in that fashion. The thread title you gave is "The Donald vs Big Tech". You even say in the first post (which sounds a lot like something he would say) "Their censorship practices will now come under scrutiny LIKE NEVER BEFORE." yet all he is doing is just increasing the legal liability placed upon these companies for hosting his tactless crap, that's not exactly scrutiny. The most likely event is this executive order being pulled through the courts over there. Trump is just tossing red meat to his base and nothing more. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-overruled/
We need something more thought out and actually workable towards the goal of removing such massive power from these companies. I remember Warren talking about breaking them up. That should be explored. Digital identity/personal data should belong to the user. It's a huge problem that no one has tackled properly yet. He could have gone down a GDPR route and build up a regulatory framework for this type of thing, who knows maybe they will. But all I've seen is a President taking a huge hissy fit for being fact checked by Twitter.
Sticking a UV light up the butthole of the US president was obviously what I meant by that. The bias has been proven in court and cases dismissed because of section 230.
Pete gets it. Be like Pete. You could read back on my posts. I really don't have the time to sit down and explain it to you using a six pack of crayons and reams of paper.
I had a bit of this out in the coronavirus thread already. I think the fact that the "Big 3" are used to push a narrative and curate the thoughts of the masses is a bad thing. I think that in an ideal world these platforms would be unbiased but that isn't how it works. I thought that the idea of posts and channels and profiles being blocked or removed for "spreading coronavirus misinformation" was setting a dangerous precedent but to be honest I was foolish not to think it was going on all along, just in a less obvious way. I would love to see these platforms smashed into oblivion and any move towards that is welcomed by me. These worldwide reaching platforms seem to me to encourage the worst type of mob mentality and it is all good for the likes of me to sit here thinking I'm above all of that, but I don't think that is how it works at all. The power of these private money spinning platforms is so far reaching that it is impossible to live outside of their sphere of influence.
I often make mention of Cambridge Analytica and how they felt they could influence the outcome of referendums and elections through targeting social media users. I believe that there are so many of these type of companies at play that most people don't know their arses from their elbows when it comes to what they think of anything. If I decide for example that I am a Fine Gael man, then I will be bombarded with shit to back that up. If I decide that I hate white people or Chinese, then I will be bombarded with shit that backs that right up. If I decide I am a holocaust denier then I will be bombarded with shit to back that up too. And it seems to me that no matter what direction I want to take my thoughts in, these 3 platforms are there to stroke my beliefs for me and drag me further down that road. Why? Well I think it is solely to have me there to feed me with ads on the side while I take my daily dose of racism or toxic libertarianism or Trump bashing or Trump supporting or whatever it is that keeps me there feeding into it.
Politics is seeping into fucking everything these days and it is getting difficult to call a spade a spade when it comes to anything as most of how everything is reported is done in a way that backs up an agenda of some sort.
The thread is titled The Donald vs Big Tech. Is that what is actually going on? I don't know to be honest but I do think these companies I think we are talking about have gotten way too big for their boots and I would welcome any move that takes them down a peg or two in terms of their ability to influence the masses.
He signed an executive order with view to remove a clause in an act that these companies have been hiding behind for years. It leaves them open to unending litigation.
The echo chamber thing isn't ideal either. I like infosec. Everyone I follow also likes infosec.
Terms like misinformation and hate speech are insanely broad and seem to mean "stuff we don't like". For example saying that there are only two genders is classed as hate speech. Everything to the right of Mao is far right or Nazi. The day has already come where you can get banned for stating facts.
For three companies to hold sway over billions of people is sinister at best. Social media isn't going away and for three companies to control what people can say, read, watch and search for is lunacy. It desperately needs to be broken into smaller parts with real choice and competition.
You're not wrong with anything you're saying there. The shitshow that exists at the moment, well a world where these companies don't have a monopoly might just be a better place.
On a separate note, back to the rioting currently. The arrogance of people is unbelievable. I follow a lot of Jiu Jitsu gyms on Instagram, health and fitness places etc and know people who have businesses in different places in the States. The random acts of pure scumbaggery, small business owners of differing backgrounds having their businesses thrashed and destroyed by these anarchist cunts is beyond belief. It's all well and good seeing it from an ideological viewpoint, but the reality on the ground is that the murder of that poor man has been hijacked by people who simply hate everythijg and want to burn everything to the ground. Awful stuff.
Sure that happens every time, it's absolutely inevitable. The trick is to avoid instigating riots by having a properly trained police force!
And a media not drumming up hysteria.
The boiling point had been reached, I don't think the media added that much to it:
Statistics showing black population disproportionately hit by COVID-19.
Ahmaud Arbery murder video.
Amy Cooper video, in which she leans on the presumption that police will beat down heavy on an African-American.
George Floyd murder video.
I don't think anything could have stopped things exploding after that last straw, even if the media had done their damndest to try calm things down. Social media would have taken care of that, if nothing else.
So the coronavirus is racist? I don't understand why that would lead to people looting shops.
Nonsense.
I believe you said once that it's easy to gauge someone's political leanings based on the battles they fight...
*sigh*
No, COVID-19 disproportionately hit the black community in the same way and for the same reasons that it disproportionately hit the working classes in Spanish and Italian cities: because certain environmental conditions of where one lives (pollution, etc.) and how one lives make one more prone to the co-morbidities leading to death.
I assume "black people disproportionately hit by corona" means that the black population has less protection from it in terms of being able to duck out of their low paying jobs, the quality of their housing, the cost and quality of healthcare available to them, etc.
I'm not one bit surprised at what's happening in the US. It's a completely broken country. Modern day wage slavery is alive and well there. Can't go to work? No healthcare for you... not that if really matters because you'll never pay off that lifetime of medical debt even if you're struggling through your three minimum wage jobs. I was reading a thing about living in San Fran... If you're eating less than $80k a year you're a peasant.
Don't forget how the place doesn't have protection for workers, paid maternity leave. Typical work holidays in the US is 10 days per year.
Affordable education? That's a good joke too.
Their mental health system is broken but there's also more guns in circulation than actual people. I mean, what could go wrong there? Just gonna pop out to the shop, better not forget mg Glock incase some dude tries to rob some bread for the family and it all kicks off.
It's like the place is rigged to implode on itself, which is what is happening.
Driving through the 'working class' districts of Madrid, I've seen far more people outside when they aren't supposed to be. Therefore these areas have higher rates of contagion, not because of the air quality or anything else. I've seen it, it's facepalm stuff. Masks in Vallecas? Ha, yeah right.
Blacks have a higher rate of underlying health conditions, but if you are reading the Guardian or BBC, that'll be nicely glossed over.
It's all by the by in any case, as you are trying to justify outrageous, criminal behaviour. Opportunism has as much to do with it as anything else you've mentioned.
Yeah it's no excuse. It's a narrative that has been sold to death now. Yes, there are bad cops, but they have to work in extremely violent areas, under crazy antagonism. That's no excuse either, but the reaction is disproportionate and childlike. The law should be able to absorb these types of incidents as opposed to a free for all that doesn't distinguish. The cop should be made an example of and will be. As for coronavirus..well we have no way of knowing if there's some genetic predisposition to it. I don't see Spanish people burning down their cities as a result. Lots of excuses for wanton violence, looting and acting the absolute cunt under the guise of protest.
Quote from: Ducky on May 31, 2020, 05:24:48 PM
I assume "black people disproportionately hit by corona" means that the black population has less protection from it in terms of being able to duck out of their low paying jobs, the quality of their housing, the cost and quality of healthcare available to them, etc.
I'm not one bit surprised at what's happening in the US. It's a completely broken country. Modern day wage slavery is alive and well there. Can't go to work? No healthcare for you... not that if really matters because you'll never pay off that lifetime of medical debt even if you're struggling through your three minimum wage jobs. I was reading a thing about living in San Fran... If you're eating less than $80k a year you're a peasant.
Don't forget how the place doesn't have protection for workers, paid maternity leave. Typical work holidays in the US is 10 days per year.
Affordable education? That's a good joke too.
Their mental health system is broken but there's also more guns in circulation than actual people. I mean, what could go wrong there? Just gonna pop out to the shop, better not forget mg Glock incase some dude tries to rob some bread for the family and it all kicks off.
It's like the place is rigged to implode on itself, which is what is happening.
A lot of that is absolutely true. I thought myself an unshakeable righty for most of my life, but Howard Zinn has been giving me food for thought lately.
But this bullshit? Nah. There is no conceivable argument in its favour that I'd give the time of day to.
I think they should protest the outrageous killing of Floyd. The whole world saw it.
But, where are the protests for the 3,000(almost exclusively black on black) shootings in Chicago? Boycott Saudi Arabia, protest the cunts over their treatment of women instead of wearing pussy hats and screeching over a dumb comment Don made 12 years ago. Never going to happen, because it's cultural Marxism that's the goal, not addressing injustice.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 31, 2020, 05:38:54 PM
But, where are the protests for the 3,000(almost exclusively black on black) shootings in Chicago? Boycott Saudi Arabia, protest the cunts over their treatment of women instead of wearing pussy hats and screeching over a dumb comment Don made 12 years ago. Never going to happen, because it's cultural Marxism that's the goal, not addressing injustice.
Chicago: There was one in 2018, another in 2019.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/07/us/chicago-gun-violence-protest/index.html
Saudi Arabia: What do you suggest the average person do to boycott them? Stop driving??
"Cultural Marxism": *sigh*
Hundreds of protesters there, nothing compared to the tens of thousands out causing mayhem. It's CNN so it's about as trustworthy as Pedrito after '15 pint Sunday', but point taken.
But the rest, the smug sighs and 'uh, what should they do, uh driving'? Do you know how women are treated there and across the Muslim world? And somehow there is an alliance between feminists and Islam in the US now!! How much more cultural Marxism do you need?
For fuck sake! Bring back Leather Mike!!
You're the living end man. "Where were the protests?" "Here." "I need bigger protests! Anyway, it's CNN, probably didn't happen!"
Here, fucking Breitbart covered it too, saying there were "thousands". Is that okay for you? Will you accept it happened now??
https://www.breitbart.com/news/gun-violence-protesters-partially-shut-chicago-expressway/
Jaysus.
I said 'point taken' and I questioned the veracity if anything CNN say, as millions do. The rest is your imagination. So, point taken? What do you want me to do, paint myself purple and dance naked on a table and say 'POINT TAKEN', lockdown paunch and all?
There are several other of my points you haven't refuted. Come ahead. There are at least 20 people reloading this thread per minute!
Jaysis this could boil over.
It'd be amazing if LM came back as Velvet Nick, coming in to bat for his dear Kilkenny friend, and defend his honour against Mr. University Smart Cunt 🤣
I like Chris, so it'll only boil over if he starts that shit about 'Rust in Peace' again.
I believe "cultural marxism" is about as much of a thing as Trump's "neo-fascism"; the result of certain paranoid ways of simplifying the world into over-arching entities, when really it's all a big clusterfuck of contradictions and impasses. So, there's no way I'm going to entertain getting into a discussion about the rapport between western feminism and the role of the woman in the muslim world with you or anyone else.
Dawn Patrol > every Skyforger song :p
I'm tempted to get into that last one, but I'm afraid somebody might post that photo.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on May 31, 2020, 05:38:54 PM
Quote from: Ducky on May 31, 2020, 05:24:48 PM
I assume "black people disproportionately hit by corona" means that the black population has less protection from it in terms of being able to duck out of their low paying jobs, the quality of their housing, the cost and quality of healthcare available to them, etc.
I'm not one bit surprised at what's happening in the US. It's a completely broken country. Modern day wage slavery is alive and well there. Can't go to work? No healthcare for you... not that if really matters because you'll never pay off that lifetime of medical debt even if you're struggling through your three minimum wage jobs. I was reading a thing about living in San Fran... If you're eating less than $80k a year you're a peasant.
Don't forget how the place doesn't have protection for workers, paid maternity leave. Typical work holidays in the US is 10 days per year.
Affordable education? That's a good joke too.
Their mental health system is broken but there's also more guns in circulation than actual people. I mean, what could go wrong there? Just gonna pop out to the shop, better not forget mg Glock incase some dude tries to rob some bread for the family and it all kicks off.
It's like the place is rigged to implode on itself, which is what is happening.
A lot of that is absolutely true. I thought myself an unshakeable righty for most of my life, but Howard Zinn has been giving me food for thought lately.
But this bullshit? Nah. There is no conceivable argument in its favour that I'd give the time of day to.
I think they should protest the outrageous killing of Floyd. The whole world saw it.
But, where are the protests for the 3,000(almost exclusively black on black) shootings in Chicago? Boycott Saudi Arabia, protest the cunts over their treatment of women instead of wearing pussy hats and screeching over a dumb comment Don made 12 years ago. Never going to happen, because it's cultural Marxism that's the goal, not addressing injustice.
How is there no argument for it? The US is imploding on itself. It's the worst case scenario for a western country. It's a literal hell for a lot of the population. What's happening right now for some people is their own tipping point and just because you aren't out protesting over stuff doesn't mean you're okay with it.
As for this narrative of Trump "saying something stupid 12 years ago"... what? He says dumb shit every 12 hours. Google "Donald Trump examples of sexism" and you'll have hours of reading from credible sources, which is a bit more than him saying something stupid 12 years ago.
Yeah but being sexist, I mean believing women are inferior. I'm not suggesting he's respectful towards them all the time. But if he thought women suck (as in, are inferior), why have so many in his cabinet.
I still haven't heard any valid excuse for looting shops and driving around shouting kill the white folk. A peaceful protest about Floyd? Absolutely. Not razing the gaff to the ground.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 31, 2020, 06:42:32 PM
I believe "cultural marxism" is about as much of a thing as Trump's "neo-fascism"; the result of certain paranoid ways of simplifying the world into over-arching entities, when really it's all a big clusterfuck of contradictions and impasses. So, there's no way I'm going to entertain getting into a discussion about the rapport between western feminism and the role of the woman in the muslim world with you or anyone else.
Dawn Patrol > every Skyforger song :p
Overarching entities such as racist US (edit) police departments?
Rust in Peace= greatest metal album full stop
So, do any of ye think Trump was right to call these companies out, regardless of his motivation? Is the scale of their influence dangerous when they are allowed curate the user generated content to push their own agenda without having to answer for that as any other news source does?
As interesting as pages and pages of the two lads calling each other out is, the original idea behind the thread was also fairly interesting. This thread could also be seen as a microcosm of the horrors of social media, where almost everything descends into a haze of political and idealogical argument within 5 posts and neatly sidesteps the actual point of the discussion whether intentional or not.
Maybe a discussion like this is impossible to have without it becoming political?
That's the single most Nazi post this site has ever seen!
lol I know. I'm gone so far right I've ended up on the alt-left-centre-right-neo-fascist-socialism train
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2020, 08:29:32 PM
So, do any of ye think Trump was right to call these companies out, regardless of his motivation? Is the scale of their influence dangerous when they are allowed curate the user generated content to push their own agenda without having to answer for that as any other news source does?
News sources don't have to answer for pushing an agenda though. They all have an agenda. As far as I am aware?
My understanding is that this is about if a news source posts something libel then they have to answer for it. Twitter don't as its someone else's content. You'd be mad to start a website that you would be libel for other people's content IMO.
The two come together on some news sites. The news site being responsible for the article. And then not being libel for the comments under it, but they can delete comments if they wish.
I think we need the mix of both so think he is wrong about the section 230 discussion. It would effect websites I like too much ha. But would be interested in the thoughts of people who think he is right and how the internet would look without it and say how something like twitter would look and function without it.
It all goes back to cases in the 90s against compuserve and prodigy. It's interesting reading.
Quote from: pete on May 31, 2020, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2020, 08:29:32 PM
So, do any of ye think Trump was right to call these companies out, regardless of his motivation? Is the scale of their influence dangerous when they are allowed curate the user generated content to push their own agenda without having to answer for that as any other news source does?
News sources don't have to answer for pushing an agenda though. They all have an agenda. As far as I am aware?
My understanding is that this is about if a news source posts something libel then they have to answer for it.
Yeah, my mistake there in the wording. I meant what you are saying.
Currently educating myself here about section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, as it isn't something I have actually thought too hard about before now and my initial impression is that it needs some tweaking for definite but it seems well intentioned in a lot of ways as well.
I wonder if those same companies could skirt around a potential change is U.S. regulatory laws by moving to another continent? Does this then beget the idea that what is needed in terms of dealing with these tech companies is a worldwide standard set of laws to govern them? Does that then become censorship and bring on a whole new set of problems regarding the freedom of speech? It's certainly a tightrope any way I look at it
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2020, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: pete on May 31, 2020, 08:53:58 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2020, 08:29:32 PM
So, do any of ye think Trump was right to call these companies out, regardless of his motivation? Is the scale of their influence dangerous when they are allowed curate the user generated content to push their own agenda without having to answer for that as any other news source does?
News sources don't have to answer for pushing an agenda though. They all have an agenda. As far as I am aware?
My understanding is that this is about if a news source posts something libel then they have to answer for it.
Yeah, my mistake there in the wording. I meant what you are saying.
Currently educating myself here about section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, as it isn't something I have actually thought too hard about before now and my initial impression is that it needs some tweaking for definite but it seems well intentioned in a lot of ways as well.
I wonder if those same companies could skirt around a potential change is U.S. regulatory laws by moving to another continent? Does this then beget the idea that what is needed in terms of dealing with these tech companies is a worldwide standard set of laws to govern them? Does that then become censorship and bring on a whole new set of problems regarding the freedom of speech? It's certainly a tightrope any way I look at it
Yeah no expert on it myself was just reading about it as was in the news and that.
Yes it's definitely tricky.
Like if we were in the US and Trump trump revokes 230, and we had our metal discussion platform, who would want to put there name to running the site :) Would not be worth the hassle! I'm up in court again because astfgyl on the forum I run said something libellous :)
The general thought is he will get know where with it and it's just a rant anyway. I think he's already moved on to what great weapons he has to protect himself in the White House, looking at his Twitter today.
Great point about the discussion platform. I'm sure Hambeast wouldn't want to be liable for the shit I say :laugh:
The odd thing for me in all of this is that I use FB, Twitter, Youtube and Reddit all the time and I guess it should be down to me to self regulate as far as how much of it I choose to believe goes. I can see though that they are dangerous, dangerous weapons in the wrong hands now that they have become ubiquitous and I feel something has to give somewhere along the line. I'm also sure that somebody much more educated than me is trying to work out the solution somewhere.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
Great point about the discussion platform. I'm sure Hambeast wouldn't want to be liable for the shit I say :laugh:
The odd thing for me in all of this is that I use FB, Twitter, Youtube and Reddit all the time and I guess it should be down to me to self regulate as far as how much of it I choose to believe goes. I can see though that they are dangerous, dangerous weapons in the wrong hands now that they have become ubiquitous and I feel something has to give somewhere along the line. I'm also sure that somebody much more educated than me is trying to work out the solution somewhere.
Of course like lots of things can be very dangerous in the wrong hands. But can be great too, thanks to Twitter I now know what time the bands are going onstage while sitting in the pub and can grab an extra pint, so I'm going to fight Trump on this one!!!
I'm going to quote a bit of Sepultura here:
"(Bio-)technology
Ain't what's so bad
Like all technology
It's in the wrong hands
Cut-throat corporations
Don't give a damn
When lots of people die
From what they've made"
Seeing as it's a Metal forum.
I do agree with you though Pete and I'm honestly torn about how I feel about it all. I'm leaning towards the idea that the responsibility is on the end user and why should the tech giants we are speaking of bear the responsibility for how they are utilised? But then I wonder if they were taken down would we not still be able to find out what time the headline act takes the stage by means of a myriad of smaller platforms who have the ability to tell us what we want to know without the far reaching influence of the ones we mention here? It might discourage the laziness associated with using these as our general source of information, generally speaking.
We are here discussing it for example.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2020, 10:22:06 PM
I'm going to quote a bit of Sepultura here:
"(Bio-)technology
Ain't what's so bad
Like all technology
It's in the wrong hands
Cut-throat corporations
Don't give a damn
When lots of people die
From what they've made"
Seeing as it's a Metal forum.
I do agree with you though Pete and I'm honestly torn about how I feel about it all. I'm leaning towards the idea that the responsibility is on the end user and why should the tech giants we are speaking of bear the responsibility for how they are utilised? But then I wonder if they were taken down would we not still be able to find out what time the headline act takes the stage by means of a myriad of smaller platforms who have the ability to tell us what we want to know without the far reaching influence of the ones we mention here? It might discourage the laziness associated with using these as our general source of information, generally speaking.
We are here discussing it for example.
Oh 100% we could, but I would guarantee that one of those platforms would do it really well and everyone would use that. Having a platform with everyone on it is beneficial to everyone on it and hence why everyone gets on it. IMO. Take it down and in a few months another will stand in its place. I think these things grow because people want them.
How would you even work stopping something grow, not let everyone join? why am i not allowed join?
It's strange that conservatives kind of want to "stop" Twitter, and to get the government involved which would seem at odds with their ideas on things like the free market. I find it really interesting. And with Trump especially, complaining about Twitter on Twitter. The reason it's so successful is those people at Twitter made decisions to shape it like it is. He agreed, joined, loves that he has millions of followers, it's never down, no bugs, great platform and now wants to change it as it's not how he wants it to be at the moment i.e. he wants to get reelected in November.
Your logical arguments are really working on me! lol
I'll have to come back to this when I'm not full of drink and also a bit more educated on the whole thing, but you have certainly given me plenty of food for thought
Quote from: astfgyl on May 31, 2020, 11:39:36 PM
Your logical arguments are really working on me! lol
I'll have to come back to this when I'm not full of drink and also a bit more educated on the whole thing, but you have certainly given me plenty of food for thought
can't be fucked reading back, did some cunt play the 'technology is neither good nor evil, it's a tool' argument. cos really we're all still 16 trying to win an argument with a transition year substitute teacher
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 31, 2020, 04:52:42 PM
Sure that happens every time, it's absolutely inevitable. The trick is to avoid instigating riots by having a properly trained police force!
Seems like the thread has a life of its own so I'm not going to stick to what I asked originally. The angle that guy pressed his knee into was nasty.
Training or none that lad needs to be in a cage.
https://chaser.com.au/world/social-media-should-not-fact-check-posts-says-child-molester-mark-zuckerberg/?fbclid=IwAR3MJwvpySI4_avtvqzg5_4dC6MCTCArm7QmOteCSejlzEMtGzVZ5LbyOCE (https://chaser.com.au/world/social-media-should-not-fact-check-posts-says-child-molester-mark-zuckerberg/?fbclid=IwAR3MJwvpySI4_avtvqzg5_4dC6MCTCArm7QmOteCSejlzEMtGzVZ5LbyOCE)
:laugh:
:laugh:
https://mobile.twitter.com/fightnet/status/1267458798228291585?s=20
No messing with Jonny Bones. The lads don't even attempt to give him any backchat :laugh:
Chuck Liddell the same. These guys understand the results of uncontrolled violence. People are unhappy but pulling people out of cars and bearing them to a pulp and setting small businesses on fire is not the answer.
https://abc7.com/chuck-liddell-ufc-mma-huntington-beach/6224231/
Quote from: mickO))) on June 01, 2020, 05:39:04 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/fightnet/status/1267458798228291585?s=20
No messing with Jonny Bones. The lads don't even attempt to give him any backchat :laugh:
jesus the thumping he would have got would have been frightening :laugh:
This lad on the other hand didn't get away too easily. Some NFL monster just kicking lumps out of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=6HKw4-KOJBs&feature=emb_logo
Aye see I'm a fan of protest but not blatantly fucking up your neighbourhood. They have a right to be pissed off. If they burned down a police station then at least the anger is directed at the party who caused offence. Then again in a riot all sense goes out the window.
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 01, 2020, 06:17:15 PM
Aye see I'm a fan of protest but not blatantly fucking up your neighbourhood. They have a right to be pissed off. If they burned down a police station then at least the anger is directed at the party who caused offence. Then again in a riot all sense goes out the window.
I think the worse that 80% of the protestors are most even resident In the state. Help black people by thrashing their neighbourhood and business.
Quote from: hellfire on June 01, 2020, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 01, 2020, 06:17:15 PM
Aye see I'm a fan of protest but not blatantly fucking up your neighbourhood. They have a right to be pissed off. If they burned down a police station then at least the anger is directed at the party who caused offence. Then again in a riot all sense goes out the window.
I think the worse that 80% of the protestors are most even resident In the state.
This has since been shown to be a false narrative:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-officials-say-most-people-who-acted-violently-at-protests-are-not-state-residents/
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/05/31/george-floyd-protest-agitators-mostly-homegrown-not-outsiders/5300362002/
There is a lot of strategizing going on, as in proper psychological herding strategies.
If people are interested, though it's to be taken with a pinch of salt, Anonymous have reactivated in part to share information about how various narratives are being released in efforts to de-legitimize the protests. This has nothing to do with whether it's right or wrong to destroy private property, but goes over and beyond into misinformation intended to herd the movement in a given direction. Every reason to believe such tactics are being used on both sides. Every reason to take it seriously too, since this may already be or at least has the potential to be the most widespread civil unrest in decades.
Yeah it's the age old conspiracy theory. What's clear is there's real protest and then there's a load of little knackers that would take any opportunity to destroy something, be it a police station, a statue of Luke Kelly or whatever.
Edit:was respoding to the out of state comment.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 01, 2020, 07:08:35 PM
If people are interested, though it's to be taken with a pinch of salt, Anonymous have reactivated in part to share information about how various narratives are being released in efforts to de-legitimize the protests. This has nothing to do with whether it's right or wrong to destroy private property, but goes over and beyond into misinformation intended to herd the movement in a given direction. Every reason to believe such tactics are being used on both sides. Every reason to take it seriously too, since this may already be or at least has the potential to be the most widespread civil unrest in decades.
Definitely wouldn't be something new..do you have a link or do I just type Anonymous into google?
On that note, and trust me I know f all about Anonymous, but do they display a political leaning or what is the idea behind them?
The Anonymous thing seems weird anyway. How does one know if anyone is actually affiliated with them or simply acting alone using the name?
Quote from: Pedrito on June 01, 2020, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 01, 2020, 07:08:35 PM
If people are interested, though it's to be taken with a pinch of salt, Anonymous have reactivated in part to share information about how various narratives are being released in efforts to de-legitimize the protests. This has nothing to do with whether it's right or wrong to destroy private property, but goes over and beyond into misinformation intended to herd the movement in a given direction. Every reason to believe such tactics are being used on both sides. Every reason to take it seriously too, since this may already be or at least has the potential to be the most widespread civil unrest in decades.
Definitely wouldn't be something new..do you have a link or do I just type Anonymous into google?
On that note, and trust me I know f all about Anonymous, but do they display a political leaning or what is the idea behind them?
I'd class them as anarchists. They're currently tweeting on @YourAnonCentral. They are 100% pro protest, so bear that in mind before going in. I mean, this is their thing; the system is rotten to the core, burn it down. But they're not stupid, they see strategizing, and they see how easily the left fall for it, which is what makes their perspective interesting. They'd be telling people not to start braying that Trump is fascist, for example, because they see that as a diversion and division tactic by the Republicans qua ruling authority, and so on.
there have been very few real protests, votes, elections in history, whatever history is. left hand plays the right ;)
Quote from: mugz on June 01, 2020, 08:07:20 PM
there have been very few real protests, votes, elections in history, whatever history is. left hand plays the right ;)
Best protest. Romania. See ya later Ceaușescu. There was a protest vote in our last election too with the Sinn Fein surge. Gonna be more of them here in the future with a younger populace voting left.
Yeah, I can't find the source right now, but Walter Lippmann put it in the 1930s that a sign of an advanced society was how little of real importance about it the public could alter at the polling booth. Walter Lippmann is one of the godfathers of neo-liberalism.
So, either the Sinn Féin surge won't really change that much of importance, or Ireland isn't such an advanced society 8) :abbath:
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 01, 2020, 08:16:49 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 01, 2020, 08:07:20 PM
there have been very few real protests, votes, elections in history, whatever history is. left hand plays the right ;)
Best protest. Romania. See ya later Ceaușescu. There was a protest vote in our last election too with the Sinn Fein surge. Gonna be more of them here in the future with a younger populace voting left.
they defused genuine resentment against the system by feeding you a predetermined result, aka sin fein protest vote, but mary lou is in on the masonry project, and there was never any real chance that varadkar would stand aside, him and martin are essentially one person, one head of many. You can vote for whoever you want but all their necks reach one body.
Couldn't give a fuck about the property damage at this stage in all honesty. I think they should stick to burning down police stations and slavery monuments etc, but fuck it, it's bigger than that. Amazing how quick people are to defend property over actual lives and downplay the state violence on blatant display here. The rioting didn't start until the authorities went in heavy handed.
National Guard and police shooting at peaceful protesters and bystanders constantly, and it's not in isolated incidents. They're not playing by their own rules, shooting indiscriminately at the press also (no, it wasn't just that lad on CNN) and when asked nicely are not considering how things may be changed, so what do ye expect people to do? Keep kneeling?
This is years of bullshit built up and largely unaddressed outside of bare minimum lip service. I'm not surprised by anything that's happened in the past week, to be perfectly honest, and neither should any Irish person be, given our own history.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on June 01, 2020, 09:41:45 PM
I'm not surprised by anything that's happened in the past week, to be perfectly honest, and neither should any Irish person be, given our own history.
Sure most southerners have a hard time, or have never bothered, imagining what it was like to be a Catholic in the north in the 60s and 70s, let alone a black person in the US. But anyone who does want to try to understand the legacy they carry around with them from recent history, give this a go:
http://123movies.net/watch/kvXj7JGe-i-am-not-your-negro.html
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Just reminded myself of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Dublin_riots
Would you understand the violent response better if it had happened in Belfast and it was 3 RUC/PSNI looking on as a fourth slowly and gratuitously asphyxiated a lad in an Ireland jersey in the middle of the day for no good reason at all? The troubles were heinous, but I definitely learned to understand them, despite the Brit-placating spin the Irish media put on all IRA activities during the 80s. Can you imagine if the IRA's activities had been reported on RTE in the same way that the BBC reports British Army overseas actions that inevitably leave civilians dead? It's something I started thinking about a lot when living in London. Anyway, that's an aside; but I think Belfast and Derry and more would be in fucking tatters if a murder like that happened, because all of that shit is still there, only just under the surface, as seen by the Derry riots in 2018. You'd just know, you'd be watching the video, feeling fucking sick and enraged, and you'd know; things are going to get ugly. And they would.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 01, 2020, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on June 01, 2020, 05:39:04 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/fightnet/status/1267458798228291585?s=20
No messing with Jonny Bones. The lads don't even attempt to give him any backchat :laugh:
jesus the thumping he would have got would have been frightening :laugh:
This lad on the other hand didn't get away too easily. Some NFL monster just kicking lumps out of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=6HKw4-KOJBs&feature=emb_logo
:laugh: Those runners he has on are like boots.
Not sure if it's been mentioned here but Floyd and the cop that killed him knew each other very well and were friends at one point when they worked security in a club years ago.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 01, 2020, 11:49:36 PM
Just reminded myself of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Dublin_riots
Would you understand the violent response better if it had happened in Belfast and it was 3 RUC/PSNI looking on as a fourth slowly and gratuitously asphyxiated a lad in an Ireland jersey in the middle of the day for no good reason at all? The troubles were heinous, but I definitely learned to understand them, despite the Brit-placating spin the Irish media put on all IRA activities during the 80s. Can you imagine if the IRA's activities had been reported on RTE in the same way that the BBC reports British Army overseas actions that inevitably leave civilians dead? It's something I started thinking about a lot when living in London. Anyway, that's an aside; but I think Belfast and Derry and more would be in fucking tatters if a murder like that happened, because all of that shit is still there, only just under the surface, as seen by the Derry riots in 2018. You'd just know, you'd be watching the video, feeling fucking sick and enraged, and you'd know; things are going to get ugly. And they would.
Plenty of stuff like that happened and it all led to utter fucking carnage up there. Wider society paid an awful debt, on all sides. The majority of people were simply grateful that there was any semblance of a society left by the end of it all. Of course in the States you have the element involved that simply want to use anything like this to do exactly that 'tear society down' and they'll use any excuse to do so.But ultimately it's everyday, working joes who are trying to make a better life for themselves and their families that have to endure while all around them is falling apart. And what was the end result? People had to sit down and work it out because the murder and the violence feels great as an outlet but there's absolutely nothing constructive about it.
These riots, the burning down of small businesses, the smashing of property, the assaults, the beatings..they do nothing but create more negaitivity and division and feed this narrative that somehow 99% of society, apart from a few bad eggs, aren't utterly horrified at what happened.
We've seen it all before, it's nothing new. If people expect any different outcome they're sadly mistaken. There's distinct racism, it's a cancer. It needs to be rooted out. But then there's the underlying game, the real racist structure that keeps all.these interest groups within all communities alive. It suits many people to perpetuate the idea that there is inherent racism in the system, in the world. We in Ireland spent so long blaming the Brits for absolutely everything that was wrong with our country that we failed to look at the deep issues that surrounded us. It crippled us, retarded us, fed into a lack of confidence in ourselves that persisted up until very recently. You probably had a degree and a swagger in your step going to London back in the day, try having no education, working in buildings, being looked on as a thick mick who could barely string a sentence together in English. My granduncle had twins with an English woman back in the 60's and the family forbade her from seeing him ever again..that was real, blind racism and ignorance. But he didn't go out and burn stuff down, he stuck it out in London, worked his ass off and made a life for himself. There's tonnes of stories like that.
Point being..the 'us vs them', the big bad wolf stuff is a myth. Greater society is horrified and the longer the riots and violence goes on the more it only hurts itself. There is a better way, but it's less glamorous and romantic, and involves real dialogue, debate, changes in laws, changes in how we police, a constant bettering of our political system etc etc etc..daily, unglamorous, boring stuff. But this idea that has caught on now that 'society is against us', that it's rotten to the core, the idealism, the utopianism, us vs them, the system rigged..it's just a lot more attractive, it means we have no control over things and that we shouldn't even try to change them, and if we do, it should be done through the most destructive means possible. Utterly counterproductive.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 01, 2020, 11:49:36 PM
Just reminded myself of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Dublin_riots
Would you understand the violent response better if it had happened in Belfast and it was 3 RUC/PSNI looking on as a fourth slowly and gratuitously asphyxiated a lad in an Ireland jersey in the middle of the day for no good reason at all? The troubles were heinous, but I definitely learned to understand them, despite the Brit-placating spin the Irish media put on all IRA activities during the 80s. Can you imagine if the IRA's activities had been reported on RTE in the same way that the BBC reports British Army overseas actions that inevitably leave civilians dead? It's something I started thinking about a lot when living in London. Anyway, that's an aside; but I think Belfast and Derry and more would be in fucking tatters if a murder like that happened, because all of that shit is still there, only just under the surface, as seen by the Derry riots in 2018. You'd just know, you'd be watching the video, feeling fucking sick and enraged, and you'd know; things are going to get ugly. And they would.
A guy I knew was involved in those riots. He knew fuck all about politics. Just a genuine dickhead.
I was actually there walking past at that riot. Some spanner thought a Unionist march in Dublin was somehow a good idea and then a load of wannabes and scumbags took advantage to do exactly what they always like to do..burn shit and break stuff. So they burnt and broke up their own city...genius stuff altogether.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/fightnet/status/1267458798228291585?s=20
No messing with Jonny Bones. The lads don't even attempt to give him any backchat :laugh:
jesus the thumping he would have got would have been frightening :laugh:
This lad on the other hand didn't get away too easily. Some NFL monster just kicking lumps out of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=6HKw4-KOJBs&feature=emb_logo
:laugh: Those runners he has on are like boots.
Not sure if it's been mentioned here but Floyd and the cop that killed him knew each other very well and were friends at one point when they worked security in a club years ago.
Not quite (and I'm getting into the habit of sourcing from right wing sources to assuage paranoia...):
https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-fired-officer-derek-chauvin-worked-at-same-minneapolis-nightclub
I don't need someone else's anecdotes to understand Irish history Pedrito; I'm Irish, so like everyone else I don't have to look back too far to feel it. My own grandparents were disowned by their families because one was Catholic, the other Protestant; I had an aunt and uncle who had to move to England in the 60s desperate for work. And they weren't educated, they and the rest of that side of my family grew up in Summerhill.
The violence in Ireland was inevitable because it was already systemic in British rule; the rule was violent. The US is also violent. It's a country built on violence and subjugation, in a way that even the Irish can't fully understand, because even the troubles don't compare to their history of violence, and those who committed the most violence are still on top. Anyway, to me it all seems so immediately understandable that the rage exists there and that it's going to come out in the way it is. Damage to businesses, etc., sure not good. Worrying when you go outside that you might get arrested or killed because a cop misinterprets a situation...difficult even to imagine, but real. And sure, it happens to white people in the US too. But if you're an unarmed non-white, you are up to 10 times more likely to be killed by the police. Not called a thick Mick; actually killed. Every non-white rioter, on top of many of them having fucking shit living conditions, also has that existential threat to contend with. So, you tell me what an "appropriate" response is...?
Pedrito's post above seems about right to me. Cool heads and dialogue are needed in the US right now. I don't think those are traits the boul Donald is famous for and there is also the question of him playing politics with this to get himself re-elected. Mad shit.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 10:07:33 AM
Quote from: mickO))) on June 02, 2020, 05:01:11 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 01, 2020, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on June 01, 2020, 05:39:04 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/fightnet/status/1267458798228291585?s=20
No messing with Jonny Bones. The lads don't even attempt to give him any backchat :laugh:
jesus the thumping he would have got would have been frightening :laugh:
This lad on the other hand didn't get away too easily. Some NFL monster just kicking lumps out of him https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=6HKw4-KOJBs&feature=emb_logo
:laugh: Those runners he has on are like boots.
Not sure if it's been mentioned here but Floyd and the cop that killed him knew each other very well and were friends at one point when they worked security in a club years ago.
Not quite (and I'm getting into the habit of sourcing from right wing sources to assuage paranoia...):
https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-fired-officer-derek-chauvin-worked-at-same-minneapolis-nightclub
I don't need someone else's anecdotes to understand Irish history Pedrito; I'm Irish, so like everyone else I don't have to look back too far to feel it. My own grandparents were disowned by their families because one was Catholic, the other Protestant; I had an aunt and uncle who had to move to England in the 60s desperate for work. And they weren't educated, they and the rest of that side of my family grew up in Summerhill.
The violence in Ireland was inevitable because it was already systemic in British rule; the rule was violent. The US is also violent. It's a country built on violence and subjugation, in a way that even the Irish can't fully understand, because even the troubles don't compare to their history of violence, and those who committed the most violence are still on top. Anyway, to me it all seems so immediately understandable that the rage exists there and that it's going to come out in the way it is. Damage to businesses, etc., sure not good. Worrying when you go outside that you might get arrested or killed because a cop misinterprets a situation...difficult even to imagine, but real. And sure, it happens to white people in the US too. But if you're an unarmed non-white, you are up to 10 times more likely to be killed by the police. Not called a thick Mick; actually killed. Every non-white rioter, on top of many of them having fucking shit living conditions, also has that existential threat to contend with. So, you tell me what an "appropriate" response is...?
Fair point on the anecdotes..totally get that. Apart from that there's nobody denying any of that. We'd be fools to. It's how we go about fixing it is my point. It certainly doesn't help.that the president is so divisive. It also doesn't help.that plenty in other quarters, including within the black community, gain a lot by perpetuating myths and drumming up victim mentality. Coronavirus all that shit, yes it's probably inevitable that things would boil over, but it can't always be the answer. There's also the el3phant in the room of antagonism and huge violence and murder rates within certain communities, but we're too fragile and sensitive to actually have a conversation about it, rather glorifying it in art, literature and music. The advances made in the last 40 or 50 years have been monumental. It came through change within the system, protest, awareness, education and certainly not through violence, looting, assault and anarchy. It's not perfect but it's a whole lot better than it was and in recent years a divisive narrative has sprung up again, an us vs them narrative that is poisonous and doesn't reflect the reality on the ground in the majority of fhe US where people of all races are doing business with, riding, living with, having babies with, playing football.with, working with etc etc people of all colours and creeds. The way forward is education, education, education, dialogue and education.
That is the noble way forward. In the US though, more immediate issues to calm anger and the kind of "fuck it" attitude to looting is to provide dignified living conditions, welfare, health-care, gun control, etc., etc. But clearly education and dialogue are also needed in massive doses. Existential security, or lack thereof, is the biggest fomenter at work at the moment, though, or at least that's how I read the situation.
Maybe welfare, but none of the other things you listed would have any affect on looters.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 11:00:10 AM
That is the noble way forward. In the US though, more immediate issues to calm anger and the kind of "fuck it" attitude to looting is to provide dignified living conditions, welfare, health-care, gun control, etc., etc. But clearly education and dialogue are also needed in massive doses. Existential security, or lack thereof, is the biggest fomenter at work at the moment, though, or at least that's how I read the situation.
All fair points, there's awful.degredation in the country. I'd prefer to have a gun after some of the videos I've seen though.
Quote from: hellfire on June 02, 2020, 11:04:15 AM
Maybe welfare, but none of the other things you listed would have any affect on looters.
They were just random things to indicate what is needed to provide people in the hoods of the US with a bit of security and dignity in their day to day existence.
Education would seem to be the great equalizer. In some areas you have a much better chance of dying before you're 30 than going to college.
I'm of the opinion that the protests have fair reasoning but the looting and burning does not.
There is a pattern everywhere though, where social deprivation leads to civil unrest and if any government can't see that, they shouldn't be in government. Giving these people something to live for and also rooting out the racism in a lot of the police forces there would have the effect of stopping a lot of black on black crime as well as white on black, black on mexican, mexican on white etc because crime wouldn't be the only way to get ahead.
I still can't see how using Floyd's death as an excuse to get a new telly or whatever can be justified, but on the other hand maybe these opportunists are living below the breadline and that looting they are doing now might be a few quid for them in a month or 2 when they sell it on.
Social deprivation is the cause of all of this the more I think about it. It goes way back but it is never too late to try build a fairer society and make a fresh start.
No one's saying it justifies it. Some of us are saying that it is of relatively absolutely no importance if a Target gets raided. Destroying genuinely local businesses, that is regrettable, but making a big hoo-haa about looting shows how weakly salient the underlying causes of the riots are to some people very far removed from the situation. Personally, I wouldn't bat an eyelid about a television being stolen in this atmosphere; it's not really the main event!
Quote from: astfgyl on June 02, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
I'm of the opinion that the protests have fair reasoning but the looting and burning does not.
There is a pattern everywhere though, where social deprivation leads to civil unrest and if any government can't see that, they shouldn't be in government. Giving these people something to live for and also rooting out the racism in a lot of the police forces there would have the effect of stopping a lot of black on black crime as well as white on black, black on mexican, mexican on white etc because crime wouldn't be the only way to get ahead.
I still can't see how using Floyd's death as an excuse to get a new telly or whatever can be justified, but on the other hand maybe these opportunists are living below the breadline and that looting they are doing now might be a few quid for them in a month or 2 when they sell it on.
Social deprivation is the cause of all of this the more I think about it. It goes way back but it is never too late to try build a fairer society and make a fresh start.
The US is not about a fair society, it never has been. They resist universal healthcare FFS. Their culture is about chasing the "American dream", it's not about social welfare or looking after those worse off. There is a very large subset of US society which is viewed as utterly expendible who provide cheap labour, cheap soldiers and are otherwise a financial burden.
"Ask not what your country can do for you..." ;)
When I actually get down to thinking about it, it seems like a truly rotten place and it's only surprising it didn't kick off harder and sooner with the every man for himself attitude that seems ingrained when looking at it from my perspective here. It's probably a lot more complex than the way I'm looking at it though but it's certainly not the model society in any way that I can see.
The looting can't just be written off cos of the obvious underlying issues. Knackers be knacking, we've seen it here too. It does nothing to further the BLM or whatever's cause. It's thuggery. It's awful seeing cops being shot at etc over there but at least there's some line of reasoning behind that. Someone mentioned earlier historical monuments being attacked. That is also a statement. I don't agree with it but there's a reasoning there. Scumbags robbing Air Jordan's and TVs? Pure handicaps.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 02, 2020, 04:36:11 PM
Knackers be knacking
:laugh:
Indeed they do be, and it doesn't further their cause, whatever the arguments for and against it. I do think peaceful protest would make a better impression and give less ammunition to the detractors.
America is very broken. I think it'll be another 100 years before it rights itself. It's absolutely disgusting the way minorities are treated over there. This wanton thuggery is exactly the wrong way to go about drumming up sympathy. And it's a pity it's so rampant because there is a worldwide spotlight on the issue, probably more so than ever since Rodney King.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 02, 2020, 04:53:11 PM
This wanton thuggery is exactly the wrong way to go about drumming up sympathy.
That is one of the absurdest implicit suggestions I've read in a long time. An individual looting obviously isn't thinking about drumming up sympathy. An individual looting is a symptom of a chronic disease. In much the same way that (right-wingers and conservatives beware, I'm throwing out a big one) the looting of entire continents was a symptom of a chronic disease. "We're very sorry we enslaved all of your ancestors after stealing them from their homes and used them to make ourselves very rich. We're very sorry we told you you were subhuman and couldn't use the same facilities as us even after we stopped enslaving you. We're sorry for housing you in areas with no prospects, terrible facilities, and the worst education in the country. But now that we've said sorry for all that, be warned that you better not do anything bad against us, or we will fucking kill you, you subhuman scumbag thugs." :abbath:
Edit: Sorry, just to be clear, I'm voicing things from the point of view of an underprivileged black person there. That's what America is to them. Stealing a TV, really, why the fuck should they see that as a big deal if they have that historically justified mentality??
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 05:14:10 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 02, 2020, 04:53:11 PM
This wanton thuggery is exactly the wrong way to go about drumming up sympathy.
That is one of the absurdest implicit suggestions I've read in a long time. An individual looting obviously isn't thinking about drumming up sympathy. An individual looting is a symptom of a chronic disease. In much the same way that (right-wingers and conservatives beware, I'm throwing out a big one) the looting of entire continents was a symptom of a chronic disease. "We're very sorry we enslaved all of your ancestors after stealing them from their homes and used them to make ourselves very rich. We're very sorry we told you you were subhuman and couldn't use the same facilities as us even after we stopped enslaving you. We're sorry for housing you in areas with no prospects, terrible facilities, and the worst education in the country. But now that we've said sorry for all that, be warned that you better not do anything bad against us, or we will fucking kill you, you subhuman scumbag thugs." :abbath:
Edit: Sorry, just to be clear, I'm voicing things from the point of view of an underprivileged black person there. That's what America is to them. Stealing a TV, really, why the fuck should they see that as a big deal if they have that historically justified mentality??
Are you an underprivileged black person there?
You're putting in a lot of words there that cover up the obvious, looting is thuggery.
I don't blame the minorities for feeling disenfranchised whatsoever. And I made a point about looters maybe having nothing and looting out of necessity but I was mostly playing devil's advocate with myself in saying that.
On a slightly different note, I was thinking earlier of Martin Luther King's dream and it certainly didn't involve a race war, which there seems a danger of this all turning into. There is ingrained racism on all sides there and the more that the black lives matter crowd become associated with looting and the authorities become associated with shooting, the deeper that divide becomes and the original protest becomes something else entirely. America is indeed very broken and there is a real danger that all of this will only serve to make it a lot more broken rather than righting any of the wrongs.
There has never not been a race war in the US. Just because there aren’t tanks on the streets doesn’t mean the machinations of the white US rulers haven’t been active against minorities since the Declaration of Independence. Bear that in mind in the context of what you have seen over the last few days.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 05:14:10 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 02, 2020, 04:53:11 PM
This wanton thuggery is exactly the wrong way to go about drumming up sympathy.
That is one of the absurdest implicit suggestions I've read in a long time. An individual looting obviously isn't thinking about drumming up sympathy. An individual looting is a symptom of a chronic disease. In much the same way that (right-wingers and conservatives beware, I'm throwing out a big one) the looting of entire continents was a symptom of a chronic disease. "We're very sorry we enslaved all of your ancestors after stealing them from their homes and used them to make ourselves very rich. We're very sorry we told you you were subhuman and couldn't use the same facilities as us even after we stopped enslaving you. We're sorry for housing you in areas with no prospects, terrible facilities, and the worst education in the country. But now that we've said sorry for all that, be warned that you better not do anything bad against us, or we will fucking kill you, you subhuman scumbag thugs." :abbath:
Edit: Sorry, just to be clear, I'm voicing things from the point of view of an underprivileged black person there. That's what America is to them. Stealing a TV, really, why the fuck should they see that as a big deal if they have that historically justified mentality??
Seems quite a jump to say be able to summarize how every black person in the US feels in that way. There are lots of black Americans who would be horrified to be cast in that light.
There are 2 issues here and as usual they're getting mixed up.
1. Outrage against sickening racism
2. Scumbag cunts looting cities, attacking small women of all colours and creeds in small cornerstore shops in Brooklyn, dragging people by the hair through streets, robbing, arson, wanton destruction, beatings, shootings, stabbings.
The majority of decent minded people agree with number 1 and want change and are trying to listen and be open to dialogue, be educated.
Anyone of a sane right mind is against number 2. There is no defence to it.
Making a big deal out of saying that looters are thugs is about as constructive to any kind of resolution of broken America as looting itself. Does that make more sense?
I dunno, Aul Shep has clearly read so many books on the life of an underprivileged black man that he can now speak for them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 05:33:30 PM
Making a big deal out of saying that looters are thugs is about as constructive to any kind of resolution of broken America as looting itself. Does that make more sense?
You haven't come anywhere near coming up with a solution either.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 02, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
I dunno, Aul Shep has clearly read so many books on the life of an underprivileged black man that he can now speak for them.
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 05:33:30 PM
Making a big deal out of saying that looters are thugs is about as constructive to any kind of resolution of broken America as looting itself. Does that make more sense?
You haven't come anywhere near coming up with a solution either.
You don't need to have a solution to know what doesn't go into it :-\
Your book comment is risible coming from a teacher.
This is like a comment thread on Facebook.
Quote from: Juggz on June 02, 2020, 05:31:25 PM
There has never not been a race war in the US. Just because there aren't tanks on the streets doesn't mean the machinations of the white US rulers haven't been active against minorities since the Declaration of Independence. Bear that in mind in the context of what you have seen over the last few days.
Fair point. A country built on racial slavery is always going to have a problem there. I agree that there has to be a lot of pent up stuff coming out now and I know it isn't as simple as saying that the looting has no cause or is entirely senseless, but I still think they would achieve a better result with peaceful protest. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind etc.
Pedrito makes a good fist of explaining it up there and I mostly feel as he does about it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 05:41:19 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 02, 2020, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 05:33:30 PM
Making a big deal out of saying that looters are thugs is about as constructive to any kind of resolution of broken America as looting itself. Does that make more sense?
You haven't come anywhere near coming up with a solution either.
You don't need to have a solution to know what doesn't go into it :-\
Your book comment is risible coming from a teacher.
I'll get over it.
"You don't need to have a solution to know what doesn't go into it :-\ "
That's a most vague say-nothing statement.
Quote from: Juggz on June 02, 2020, 05:31:25 PM
There has never not been a race war in the US. Just because there aren't tanks on the streets doesn't mean the machinations of the white US rulers haven't been active against minorities since the Declaration of Independence. Bear that in mind in the context of what you have seen over the last few days.
Is that really true? Is it 100% true? Or is it partially true? I would say the latter. Of course there's racism. Of course there's inequality and awful, awful stuff happening. There are too many black men in prison, major issues. At the same time there have been major advances since the time of the Declaration of Indepenence. If you go back far in any country's history you'll find horrific inequality, subjugation etc. Irish Catholics in 1776 had no rights, most of them half starved with no way to change their lot. Things have changed dramatically in America but maybe not dramatically enough.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 02, 2020, 05:31:54 PM
There are 2 issues here and as usual they're getting mixed up.
1. Outrage against sickening racism
2. Scumbag cunts looting cities, attacking small women of all colours and creeds in small cornerstore shops in Brooklyn, dragging people by the hair through streets, robbing, arson, wanton destruction, beatings, shootings, stabbings.
Speaking of mixing things up, conflating looting with dragging people by the hair through the streets and stabbings is not really a good way to clarify things. It's about as useful as the left insisting on conflating the Trump regime with the third Reich.
The point is to try and stay focused on the core issues and to dialogue about those. To set aside secondary or peripheral issues, and find compromises on what really matters. To set aside old and current grievances, and - as you said - get them dialoguing about what those core issues are, not just the essential material issues but also the ingrained psychological issues leading to a reconciliation of what "America" supposedly stands for (i.e. all its mottos, the whole stars and stripes schpiel, etc.) and why the black community needed to be imported and exploited to create that. Those last points are what I recall from what I've heard from spokespeople of the black community, having never read a book on the subject ;)
Having naïvely not expected such a snide response to trying to reformulate what I had heard (even though doing so is the basis of human society, but whatever), here is a sample of the black perspective. That doesn't mean it's "right", but it's the perspective which, perhaps correctly, some of you decided I'm not authorized to relate here in my own words:
Quote from: Trevor Noah
"I saw so many people online saying, 'These riots are disgusting, this is not how a society should be run, you do not loot and you do not burn, this is not how our society is built,'" Noah said. "But what is society? When you boil it down, society is a contract we sign as human beings amongst each other. 'Amongst this group of us, we agree in common rules, common ideals, and common practices that are going to define us as a group.' But if you think of being a black person in America who is living in Minneapolis, or any place where you're not having a good time, ask yourself this question when you watch those people: What vested interest do they have in maintaining the contract? There are people who are destitute when the virus hit and are already broke. Black American people watch time and time again how the contract they have signed with society is not being honored by the society. When you watch Ahmaud Arbery being shot and you heard those men were released were it not for the video and the outrage, what part of the contract is that? When you see George Floyd on the ground losing his life in a way that no person should ever have to lose their life at the hands of someone who is supposed to enforce the law, what part of the contract is that? A lot of people say, 'Well, what good does this do?' Yeah, but what good doesn't it do? How does it help you to not loot Target? Because the only reason you didn't loot Target before was because you were upholding society's contract. There is no contract if the law and people in power don't uphold their end of it."
"That unease that you felt watching that Target being looted, try to imagine how it must feel for black Americans when they watch themselves being looted every single day," he added. "Because that's fundamentally what's happening in America. Police in America are looting black bodies. And I know someone might think that's an extreme phrase, but it's not because here's the thing: I think a lot of people don't realize that George Floyd dying is part of the reason the story became so big. How many George Floyds are there that don't die? It's only the gruesome deaths that stick out. Imagine to yourself, if you grew up in a community where every day someone had their knee on your neck ... you tell me what that does to you as a society when you know that this is happening because of the color of your skin."
Quote from: Cornel West"...most of my fellow citizens, God bless them, that are in the streets are there peaceful, who are there marching. And when it does spill over into violence, looting is wrong. But legalized looting is wrong too. Murder is wrong. Legalized murder is wrong too. I look at the wickedness at high places first and then keep track of the least of these."
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 06:33:55 PM
Quote from: Cornel West"...most of my fellow citizens, God bless them, that are in the streets are there peaceful, who are there marching. And when it does spill over into violence, looting is wrong. But legalized looting is wrong too. Murder is wrong. Legalized murder is wrong too. I look at the wickedness at high places first and then keep track of the least of these."
Not sure I implied anywhere anything that might be in disagreement with that.
"This wanton thuggery is exactly the wrong way to go about drumming up sympathy."
"That is one of the absurdest implicit suggestions I've read in a long time."
Of course the problems come from higher up. But as said above somewhere, An eye for an eye...
The response to your misapprehension regarding looting and "drumming up sympathy" is contained in the Trevor Noah quote.
And he speaks very eloquently and I like the cut of his jib, but leaving out the drumming up sympathy part (which is exactly what they should be focusing on to get justice in this case. The whole world is watching, after all), there is no excuse for looting. I'd be more in agreement with the other lad in this instance.
He doesn't say there's an excuse for it, he says that from the point of view of those looting, there's no reason for them not to do it, since the notions of right and wrong aren't fairly applied to them. So, since those in the movement who are thinking about how to dialogue and improve things, since they can't control what every individual does, they're explaining why it's happening; because the black community has been given the most skewed possible example of what "right" and "wrong" is. So why not loot?
"Yeah, but looting is wrong."
"Listen, can we talk about the real issues here?"
"No, but the looting..."
See?
I do see his (and your) reasoning. I just don't happen to agree with it. But, much like you and Kev on numerous occasions, a back and forth for the evening doesn't benefit anyone. I'll tag Pedro or someone in from here.
Trevor Noah immigrated in 2011 to the US but it seems he has it all worked out as to how it is in the American hood. He's from South Africa and lived there until 9 years ago. He's not all wrong but you can dress it up all you want. 1. Racism is wrong. 2. Looting and degrading other human beings in the name of supposed protest is wrong. The rest of it is word play. Everyone knows what happened was wrong, but it's clear the protests hace been infiltrated by people who clearly aren't too worried about the race issue, are intent on drumming up as much chaos and destruction as possible, attacking businesses of qhite, black, asian, latin people. The questions is..where does it end? You'd hope they'll take the time now to really hold a microscope to policing issues. There must be at least 1 or 2 decent cops in the whole 800k that work as police in the States. Hopefully they'll put Antifa on a terrorist list too, because it's clear that their only desire is to inflict as much misery on people as they possibly can.
As for me I'm out, back to talking about 80's Power Metal..it's only discussion lads, everyone entitled to their opinion and definitely not trying to win points or any of that stuff. Peace out!
My issue with the violence element of it is that it clouds the reason for the protests in the first place. The right or wrong of it is debatable but I strongly disagree that it is necessary in any way. George Floyd's death will end up in a way like Franz Ferdinand's assassination in that although it is the initial cause of all of the trouble, it will soon be forgotten what is actually going on in the midst of the senselessness of it all. And I can't remember where the quote comes from, but a lot of people just want to see the world burn and that disenfranchised element of society always comes to the fore when there is protest of any form. If they stuck to the original point and took the knee in support of the fact that everybody wants to see change in the endemic racism of the U.S. Police forces, it might have a more positive outcome.
There are plenty of white cunts looting and fucking petrol bombs in there, too. It is the general divide between the haves and the have nots that is a lot to do with why the violence erupts in situations such as this in any country and they just need the spark to ignite that flame. It happens that in the U.S. that the black community has been forced into a position of being the have nots for various historical reasons, but all of the other poor fuckers of all other colours will be joining in there as soon as it comes to their town.
The real problem as far as I see it is to do with social deprivation and ok, the focus is on the black community right now, but it needs to be sorted for all colours and that is what we are seeing here as much as any racial thing.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 02, 2020, 07:06:03 PM
I do see his (and your) reasoning. I just don't happen to agree with it.
Ah, fair enough so!
David McWilliams does great podcasts. In one of them he was in America and was shocked at the levels of institutional racism. Treated like dirt by many to this day and no investment in the areas they live. I'm not one bit surprised by the looting. You can condemn it all you want but part of it is a by product of the system they're in. No matter how much you think it's not.
Does anyone think he will actually call in the army. Grab the popcorn if he does. Like a matchstick to a petrol tank.
Well that's the end game isn't it? That's what a lot of these infiltrators want. They want him to bring in the army, what a perfect way to bring him down. And yet these protests are supposed to be about the killing of a defenceless man? Wheels within wheels within wheels.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 02, 2020, 07:17:52 PM
George Floyd's death will end up in a way like Franz Ferdinand's assassination in that although it is the initial cause of all of the trouble, it will soon be forgotten what is actually going on in the midst of the senselessness of it all.
The death of George Floyd, just like the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, is the trigger but not the "initial cause."
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 02, 2020, 07:34:05 PM
I'm not one bit surprised by the looting. You can condemn it all you want but part of it is a by product of the system they're in. No matter how much you think it's not.
Does anyone think he will actually call in the army. Grab the popcorn if he does. Like a matchstick to a petrol tank.
:abbath:
If it keeps spreading, there's also a pretty good chance of gangland style violence between rioters and armed-to-the-teeth vigilantes. What a country!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 07:59:26 PM
If it keeps spreading, there's also a pretty good chance of gangland style violence between rioters and armed-to-the-teeth vigilantes. What a country!
Not good if that starts. Especially with a mega tooled up nation. Be like the purge.
Been looking at a lot of this online lately, some decent conversation in here. No major points to add but notes regarding the looting vs peaceful protest - if you are to only protest in the manner your oppressor will allow, what good is it?
I don't agree with the majority of looting but you hardly expected people not to take advantage of the rioting. I was living in Vancouver during a much smaller (and for a fuckin insignificant reason) riot - 2011 stanley cup - and saw lads within minutes kicking the windows in on the shops in town. It's an unfortunate consequence. Also the looting is being amplified a lot by American media, not saying it's not happening because is certainly is but it is being kept in your focus to distract from the protest itself and to justify the police reaction there, which I sure ye have all seen in detail if you follow any social media.
I am looking for more info on this tonight but there was mention online earlier of state wide organised looting at the back end of the riots - groups of people organising on discord chats, meeting up in trucks behind the front lines, and picking places clean afterwards. It's a serious coordinated effort, very opportunistic, and this is also getting lumped in with the rest of the looting. I will attempt to find a source to this beyond what I have seen mentioned in comments today.
There have been plenty of attempts at peaceful protest throughout the years that were also met with derision, and had zero effect. This was bound to happen on this scale eventually.
https://mobile.twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1267208123598733314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1267208123598733314&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdailysnark.com%2Fhomeless-man-who-had-every-possession-burned-by-rioters-gets-brought-new-everything-by-people%2F
I wonder what Trevor Noah and his buddies think about this.
Quote from: mickO))) on June 02, 2020, 08:50:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1267208123598733314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1267208123598733314&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdailysnark.com%2Fhomeless-man-who-had-every-possession-burned-by-rioters-gets-brought-new-everything-by-people%2F
I wonder what Trevor Noah and his buddies think about this.
Who cares what Trevor Noah thinks about it? The guy himself says he has no bad feelings about it at all!
https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/01/rioters-set-homeless-mans-bed-on-fire-you-hear-anguish/
Quote from: ochoill on June 02, 2020, 08:48:28 PM
if you are to only protest in the manner your oppressor will allow, what good is it?
the looting ... is being kept in your focus to distract from the protest itself and to justify the police reaction there, which I sure ye have all seen in detail if you follow any social media.
There have been plenty of attempts at peaceful protest throughout the years that were also met with derision, and had zero effect. This was bound to happen on this scale eventually.
That's the whole thing in a pretty neat nutshell alright.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 09:10:56 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on June 02, 2020, 08:50:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1267208123598733314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1267208123598733314&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdailysnark.com%2Fhomeless-man-who-had-every-possession-burned-by-rioters-gets-brought-new-everything-by-people%2F
I wonder what Trevor Noah and his buddies think about this.
Who cares what Trevor Noah thinks about it? The guy himself says he has no bad feelings about it at all!
https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/01/rioters-set-homeless-mans-bed-on-fire-you-hear-anguish/
You were the one that brought an idiot like Trevor Noah into the thread.
Did you bang your head this morning? Whether Trevor Noah is an idiot or a genius, what difference does it make what he thinks when you have the opinion of the individual involved? I'm so sorry that your newest little right-wing twist farted out like a balloon, but hey, that's life! Learn how to follow up a story and you won't be left looking like someone whose only interest is to try to small-mindedly undermine things he has no interest in gaining a deeper understanding of.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: ochoill on June 02, 2020, 08:48:28 PM
if you are to only protest in the manner your oppressor will allow, what good is it?
the looting ... is being kept in your focus to distract from the protest itself and to justify the police reaction there, which I sure ye have all seen in detail if you follow any social media.
There have been plenty of attempts at peaceful protest throughout the years that were also met with derision, and had zero effect. This was bound to happen on this scale eventually.
That's the whole thing in a pretty neat nutshell alright.
That makes all the beatings and burnings and arson and robbery alright then. Great that's that sorted. Maybe we can teach that to all young kids at school now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 09:31:09 PM
Did you bang your head this morning? Whether Trevor Noah is an idiot or a genius, what difference does it make what he thinks when you have the opinion of the individual involved? I'm so sorry that your newest little right-wing twist farted out like a balloon, but hey, that's life! Learn how to follow up a story and you won't be left looking like someone whose only interest is to try to small-mindedly undermine things he has no interest in gaining a deeper understanding of.
:laugh: :laugh:
At least you made a half decent attempt at being funnier than Trev. Enjoy the thread soon you will be the only one posting in it.
Trevor Noah, like John Oliver, is one of the cringiest lads on TV, painfully unfunny. Fair play though, he's put that across quite well.
I don't agree though. The thing I....nah, I'll leave it.
:laugh:
Step away from the phone...
Quote from: Pedrito on June 02, 2020, 09:34:12 PM
That makes all the beatings and burnings and arson and robbery alright then. Great that's that sorted. Maybe we can teach that to all young kids at school now.
In schools in the US and Britain and France and Spain, they already teach kids that. It's called history. Of course, if they taught it in such explicit terms, reflecting the real history, there probably wouldn't be anything to discuss right now ;)
Any sign of Robb Flynn in all of this?
So those big tech companies then...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 02, 2020, 09:42:37 PM
Trevor Noah, like John Oliver, is one of the cringiest lads on TV, painfully unfunny. Fair play though, he's put that across quite well.
I don't agree though. The thing I....nah, I'll leave it.
:laugh:
I'm not a fan myself. I posted his point of view as a de facto and well-respected spokesperson of the black community in America (which is what he is, regardless of when he arrived). In fact, I saw the video because a black friend from London shared it. Although he's French-Austrian. Fucking immigrants everywhere!
Quote from: Pedrito on June 02, 2020, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 02, 2020, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: ochoill on June 02, 2020, 08:48:28 PM
if you are to only protest in the manner your oppressor will allow, what good is it?
the looting ... is being kept in your focus to distract from the protest itself and to justify the police reaction there, which I sure ye have all seen in detail if you follow any social media.
There have been plenty of attempts at peaceful protest throughout the years that were also met with derision, and had zero effect. This was bound to happen on this scale eventually.
That's the whole thing in a pretty neat nutshell alright.
That makes all the beatings and burnings and arson and robbery alright then. Great that's that sorted. Maybe we can teach that to all young kids at school now.
I never said it was good, or bad. I said it was inevitable.
Quote from: Trev on June 02, 2020, 09:52:40 PM
So those big tech companies then...
You wouldn't have seen the likes of this on Bebo anyway
Quote from: ochoill on June 02, 2020, 08:48:28 PM
Also the looting is being amplified a lot by American media, not saying it's not happening because is certainly is but it is being kept in your focus to distract from the protest itself and to justify the police reaction there,
And that, for me, is the sad crux of the situation.
Quote from: ochoill on June 02, 2020, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: Trev on June 02, 2020, 09:52:40 PM
So those big tech companies then...
You wouldn't have seen the likes of this on Bebo anyway
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bebo was great for 5 minutes in 2006
Speaking of big tech, within the metal sphere I noticed on my FB feed that Prosthetic Records and Possessed (maybe others) participated in the #BlackOutTuesday thing, much to the amusing and predictable chagrin of some of their followers. I've never been one for any of those profile pic trends, but they sure do seem to do one thing very effectively: send a certain kind of person into an almighty pissy rage!
Yup, seen it in on a lot of profiles on insta.
They have to let everyone know that they have "UNFOLLOWED" the person.
social media is so dated, I'd be very surprised if it's how we do business in any way within 3 years. There's some small signs that forums, email chains, handwritten letters, home phones, magazines etc will come back from extinction. if someone puts a black square on their home phone, you won't know, and it'd be pointless.
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That is indeed a funny and ridiculous image!
Quote from: boozegeune on May 30, 2020, 10:35:14 AM
Was it only yesterday or the day before that he said 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts', which is an almost direct lift from the segregation era, I would consider this and many other things he's said as fairly far right.
But I agree that his is an unusual case, wasnt he like a lifelong Democrat until around 2015/6?
This was post #15 of this thread. I knew it was going to turn into a right shitshow after this... :laugh:
We wasn't disappointed... :laugh: :laugh:
Just had to shake the head at the aul sheep virtue signalling on social media the past day or so. Now half of them deleting their black image after realising it's blocking out information that's being spread in the US via hashtags etc. I can understand people genuinely wanting to help but most don't bother to actually figure things out and just do the one-two click and done - slacktivism complete.
Have to say...it's frustrating to see a blatant disregard for a pandemic, a crammed rally like that can and probably will put vulnerable people at more risk now in the coming weeks. Perhaps instead of traveling to the rally, use that money instead towards donations to the causes they support then that would have been way more helpful at a unique time like this. Tightrope discussion on that front. Anyway, what a fucking mess, we have our issues here but the system in the US sucks. Forever spirals into the poverty trap against the backdrop of police brutality/systematic racism.
On the big tech aspect, the 2008 crash should have taught us that the big institutions were not let fail, were not broken up, bailouts galore, central banks printed money and even today still swirl it around. Earlier in the thread someone said if people only get their information from social media then they are an idiot. Unfortunately half the population are idiots and we have to contend with that.
Facebook purchased competitors Instagram and WhatsApp - is there a tipping point of annual profit where we can say "Company X is now too big, you can no longer legally perform mergers." Is this where regulators step in? What is clear to me is that we need to reverse many of these previous big tech mergers. Do we go further and regionalise these social media companies? Facebook Ireland, Facebook UK etc. Further enhancements of GDRP might be required (and a version of it to be implemented in the US).
Ideally we've have a tech solution for our digital identities, sharing out our personal data (the end goal should be that these companies never hold it but we can enable/sever the link) and perhaps a blockchain type solution when it comes to building trust in informational data sources. I don't think we are anywhere near this being explored and more likely to go the GDRP/break up the mergers route. Trump increasing liability on these platforms is not well thought out and I'm unsure of the consequences (his executive order will probably die in the courts before bad actors will find a way of working it to their advantage).
A bit out of the ordinary to find a link to support my view but happened upon this.
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1209961062679819/
A powerful, impassioned speech. And probably more real than Trevor Noah. Pity I didn't find this yesterday and avoided a bleedin debate. Sher look.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 03, 2020, 03:31:15 PM
A bit out of the ordinary to find a link to support my view but happened upon this.
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1209961062679819/
A powerful, impassioned speech. And probably more real than Trevor Noah. Pity I didn't find this yesterday and avoided a bleedin debate. Sher look.
Don't diss Trevor Noah on here or you will be labelled right-wing.
Yes I agree the speech in the video is straight from the heart.
😂 I'm only going to be a casual observer from here on.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 03, 2020, 03:31:15 PM
A bit out of the ordinary to find a link to support my view but happened upon this.
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1209961062679819/
A powerful, impassioned speech. And probably more real than Trevor Noah. Pity I didn't find this yesterday and avoided a bleedin debate. Sher look.
But did you not have fun yesterday? :abbath:
It should be pretty clear by all the reasoning given yesterday I wouldn't have any time for privileged white lads basically just out to have shits and giggles breaking shit up, then going home to tell everyone on social media they've been contributing to the protest so they can get extra likes and kudos on top. Trevor Noah and Cornel West weren't talking about spas like that either. The opposite in fact: they're people for whom the social contract essentially always works. Hopefully they felt incredibly stupid about themselves after that scolding, but if they did I doubt it'll last more than a day or two.
Whew, glad that's been sorted out then
There is of course a whole other side to the discussion that is not allowed into the mainstream because it's clogged up with comedians who have barely lived in the country a wet week who seem to think they have it all figured out.
So some investigation begins to reveal other voices in the black community who have very different views on institutional racism. I won't even try summarise because there's enough anecdote and hyperbole in the world at the moment. Of course this man is conservative so he'll immediately be classed some sort of untouchable, but maybe worth a listen. Maybe, just maybe there's more than just a race issue being sold to us here. Who stands to gain from keeping the narrative going that the system is inherently racist, corrupt and malevolent? Is America still as racist as it was back in the 50's or 60's? Is Ireland the same as it was 60 years ago? Are the sins of the father the sins of the son? I'm not saying I'm 100% either way, but when the mob goes one way without being questioned, that's when we need to start asking questions. Candace Owens another black lady brought up in the hood and while I find her views on certain topics somewhat outdated, her breakdown of the issues in the black community are extremely interesting and fly in the face of the mainstream.narritive.
https://youtu.be/jhKGfi25fks
https://youtu.be/phPXTWJhnYM
https://youtu.be/cuT-g9amfPw
Another one worth a watch:
https://youtu.be/MbFPHp-4bFs
If you watch the full Cornel West video (whose statements aren't so easy to sidestep away from with anecdotal details), you'll see he has quite a lot to see about "black faces in high places." As did Malcolm X (the famous "house negro" speech, which is a cultural must know if you've never seen it). Similarly, if you ask any pro-Israel person about the situation there, they'll be all too quick to point out that there are Arabs in the Knesset, Muslim faces in high places. I'm going out on a limb here by presuming you think that there is, however, an issue in Israel...
Who's talking about Israel? I certainly amn't and I wouldn't suppose that a solution to Israel could be trnsposed onto Northern Ireland or the US or South Africa. That's the way people like Trevor Noah think, all generalities and no hard facfs.
I would also add that I never said there isn't AN issue. You seem to have your mind made up that there's one way to look at all of this and that myself and any others exploring another view are of a certain mindset. The old house negro speech is always used to thrash any black person who steps out of line..maybe, just maybe Malcolm X didn't have all the answers and maybe things have changed hugely since his day. X died in 1965, we're in 2020 now.
Anyway, more to think about:
https://youtu.be/1sV5qU6e-YY
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 04:52:58 PM
https://youtu.be/jhKGfi25fks
https://youtu.be/phPXTWJhnYM
https://youtu.be/cuT-g9amfPw
Dude, intellectually and morally, that's real scraping the barrel stuff.
First video: "Not one cop came out after Rodney King or George Floyd to say, 'Yup, that's how we do it!'" Chap therefore concludes that there's no problem, because after the fact they recognize this as error. How many cops were kicking lumps into Rodney King? 6 or 7? Four involved in killing George Floyd. What matters, the only thing that matters (does this really have to be said???), is how cops act
during the act! Not what they say when the entire globe is condemning something it's too late to change! And then there's some blahblahblah making out like this is a Democrat versus Republican issue. It's not. West speaks on this also.
Second video: If you're interested in an analysis of the stats, you're going to have to go into it and compare both sides and decide for yourself. I wouldn't put any weight to stats a highly biased individual just rolls off in an interview, whether for or against. Look into them if you're interested.
Third video: Holy shit. Well, here we see just how rigorous he is with stats! Let's make a video where we talk about children without fathers, but rather than having stats about that, let's just equate to children born in or out of wedlock! Just born, mind you, no mention of divorce (I'd imagine, given this is the US, that would utterly fuck up his argument). And let's not talk either about the lack of education, the number of fathers incarcerated for misdemeanours... let's not talk about anything! Let's just get our conservative message across that people shouldn't be riding outside of marriage! :abbath:
Arab Israelis live a hell of a lot better there than in the failed-state-in-waiting next door. More than you think would prefer an Israeli passport than a Palestinian one. Just saying likes...
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/half-of-jerusalems-palestinians-would-prefer-israeli-to-palestinian-citizen
Didn't take long.. :-\
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 05:46:39 PM
Arab Israelis live a hell of a lot better there than in the failed-state-in-waiting next door. More than you think would prefer an Israeli passport than a Palestinian one. Just saying likes...
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/half-of-jerusalems-palestinians-would-prefer-israeli-to-palestinian-citizen
:laugh:
Thanks Kev, that's exactly the kind of analysis I was talking about! Couldn't have caricaturized it better had I tried.
Charicaturuzed what? Life in a failed state?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 03, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 04:52:58 PM
https://youtu.be/jhKGfi25fks
https://youtu.be/phPXTWJhnYM
https://youtu.be/cuT-g9amfPw
Dude, intellectually and morally, that's real scraping the barrel stuff.
First video: "Not one cop came out after Rodney King or George Floyd to say, 'Yup, that's how we do it!'" Chap therefore concludes that there's no problem, because after the fact they recognize this as error. How many cops were kicking lumps into Rodney King? 6 or 7? Four involved in killing George Floyd. What matters, the only thing that matters (does this really have to be said???), is how cops act during the act! Not what they say when the entire globe is condemning something it's too late to change! And then there's some blahblahblah making out like this is a Democrat versus Republican issue. It's not. West speaks on this also.
Second video: If you're interested in an analysis of the stats, you're going to have to go into it and compare both sides and decide for yourself. I wouldn't put any weight to stats a highly biased individual just rolls off in an interview, whether for or against. Look into them if you're interested.
Third video: Holy shit. Well, here we see just how rigorous he is with stats! Let's make a video where we talk about children without fathers, but rather than having stats about that, let's just equate to children born in or out of wedlock! Just born, mind you, no mention of divorce (I'd imagine, given this is the US, that would utterly fuck up his argument). And let's not talk either about the lack of education, the number of fathers incarcerated for misdemeanours... let's not talk about anything! Let's just get our conservative message across that people shouldn't be riding outside of marriage! :abbath:
I've listened to West plenty of times and when he's not drivelling on and gets to the point, his basic assumption is that America is fucked, capitalism is to blame for it and they'd be much better off with some sort of Socialist system. Very anti system, hugely hyperbolic, any black man or woman who is in a position of power has been corrupted. And who has all the answers? He does, of course. The fucking arrogance him. No questioning, quite simply the murder of George couldn't be anything but racially motivated, sure what else could it be? So he's judge, jury and executioner. We all have to stand around and agree that it's all fucked and there's no way around it. So what's the solution then?
Have a listen to this: https://youtu.be/m9nZqvPv5Yg
Not one solution offered. Everything is fucked, we might aswell give up. What a message to be sending out there.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 05:57:00 PM
Charicaturuzed what? Life in a failed state?
Firstly, this is who you're quoting, a Zionist think tank:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Institute_for_Near_East_Policy
The article you linked to doesn't contain a link to the poll it's quoting (standard practice in highly biased media), and I can't find it on the website of the polling group, but feel free to peruse:
https://www.pcpo.org/index.php/polls?start=3
You really need to balance out your biases a bit: I recognize that The Guardian and CNN are often rag-like because of their bias, but passing off a link from actual Zionists because it supports, what? Just a general conservative narrative you want to identify with? To what end? I don't get it, and it's very easy to avoid.
I lean left, hard-left, but I wrote stuff supporting that MAGA hat wearing kid who got stuck eye-to-eye with the weird Native American, I've written stuff defending Jordan Peterson against misrepresentations, even though I personally think he's a charlatan. Like, you don't need to buy into an entire narrative just because the choice of media lumps it all together. Put your own narrative together, no matter what kind of hodge podge it appears to the common eye!
Historically justified or not, a certain percentage of the BLM crowd are as racist as the institutions they seek to change.
It is to be expected from a race that has been subjugated as they have but that is going to be an obstacle to moving forward in much the same way as the racism from the other side.
Sure just look at how racist the Irish are to the British, even if it is in a seemingly casual way. The famine was 150 years ago, independence came 100 years ago and yet rebel songs are heard in every town every weekend. It is ingrained in the psyche of the average Irishman to never forget about it. How difficult is it going to be to erase that from the American mindset even if the current protests do manage to bring about change?
You've hit the nail on the head of where I'm coming from with this. Taking all emotions out of it, you look at the US in 1950 and you look at the US in 2020 and legally there is no difference between someone black and someone white. A black person can become the president of the US tomorrow. So there is equlaity for every human under the law.
Then we have something far more abstract such as biases and feelings, which even so, should be absorbed by the legal system. That was not the case in the past. If the murder of George Floyd is racially motivated, then the full rigour of the law will come to bear on him. Now, if that does not happen, there is obvious corruption within the system, but that should be rooted out. A lot of what is happening at the moment with riots etc is based on feeling and suspiscions, on prejudices and expectations. In the same way I 'think' an English person thinks I'm a thick Paddy cunt, that is my feeling, yet if he says it or acts on it or discriminates against me for it that is illegal.
So yes, America needs to heal psychologically and spiritually and build bridges and try to come together, because the framework actually does exist for it to happen. The problem is that there a constant digging up of these old hatreds and fears and they're definitely being stoked up to swrvice other agendas. I would say that Trump is a major target, as is the capitalist system(never said it's perfect, much happier in Europe), but the idea that everything is fucked, we should burn it all down(which I've heard countless times this week) I simply don't see as a viable solution when further education, bridge building, healing of communities, revision of policing, of drug policies etc etc would reveal far better results. Morally, looting, killing, beating, destroying is wrong. There should be no concession on those things.
All good points.
I went looking for the Pew research that Coleman Hughes (an author for Quillette, not known for its racial niceties) is quoting from in that video, and found it: https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/04/2015-04-09_black-immigrants_FINAL.pdf
He's drawing his conclusions from somewhere else though, perhaps just his own interpretation.
However, while looking for that, I stumbled upon this, which is (even independently of whether it's true or not) the kind of idea that disenfranchises young black men en masse, and which if true, goes beyond a feeling:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html
The left is now the mainstream, so being conservative about almost anything is counter-culture these days, I get the evil eye and the crooked mouth all the time for my views, none of which are extreme. I'm an agnostic, with no religious identity yet I think abortion is murder. I used to go out with a bird who looked at me like I'd done that Paddy Kennedy story about gathering all those tools and paraphernalia on a building site and took a shit on it when I expressed that view. I'm capable of drawing my own conclusions on all sorts of things, see.
Israel is like the loyalists up the road. Very easy to demonise , and do themselves no favours with their extreme over reaction to puny, piss ant attempts at hurting them from screeching jihadis with homemade rockets. Delve a little deeper, and you'll see they have a deeply ingrained siege mentality which has left them with an itchy trigger finger. I can't say I blame them. But as I mentioned, they do themselves no favours.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
they have a deeply ingrained siege mentality
Fuckin' choooon! :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y-T-K5ehwI
How do you all think this attack on institutional racism would be playing out if George Floyd had been murdered by a black officer?
Sort of playing devil's advocate but only sort of
Or if there was more coverage of the systematic murder, rape and future dispossession of white farmers in South Africa?
Some of you may not trust Lauren Southern, but her documentary about it on YouTube is worth a watch.
Indeed. The South African blacks have a right to be aggrieved with how they were treated but now they have become alike to the very enemy they wished to extinguish.
This is a lot of the problem. It's like getting a few slaps off a lad and then being given the chance to flog him back. Very difficult to take the decent road out and be the bigger chap and move on.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
The left is now the mainstream...
Sorry, but you're just talking absolute shite, seriously.
Finally, this thread has been crying out for a less complex case!
Blacks are 90% of the population in SA but whites have 70% of the land, so really the whites only have themselves to blame:
If they'd done what the whites who settled the Americas did and committed proper genocide on the indigenous people, they wouldn't be in this mess now :abbath: :abbath:
Again I will say an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. There is no questioning what the white invaders did to the SA black people but what is the point in throwing the violence back at them now? Those blacks are as racist as the whites who fucked them up in the first place. I doubt I would feel any different if it were me in their place.
And in another way, it is the same as how the 1% of the world hold 99% of the wealth. This is as much the problem with the modern world as racism and I genuinely feel these protests are a class issue as much as a race issue. I bet the rich black people aren't setting fire to anything. In fact they are on Youtube making dopey fucking videos about how the other blacks should be doing it
Please don't mention South Africa, it makes me think of Trevor Noah :abbath:
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
And in another way, it is the same as how the 1% of the world hold 99% of the wealth. This is as much the problem with the modern world as racism and I genuinely feel these protests are a class issue as much as a race issue. I bet the rich black people aren't setting fire to anything. In fact they are on Youtube making dopey fucking videos about how the other blacks should be doing it
You're sounding just like Cornel West now, Pedrito's gonna be fuckin' livid :abbath: :abbath:
Lads, I have no idea who Cornel West or Trevor Noah are and I have no interest in finding out.
Racist! :abbath:
Quote from: Juggz on June 03, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
The left is now the mainstream...
Sorry, but you're just talking absolute shite, seriously.
Am I? Ace, thanks.
I'll give you a few examples, starting with the media. With the exception of the The Wall Street Journal and Fox in the US (controlled by a libertarian) over 90% of news reports related to Donald Trump have been overwhelmingly negative, and I'm talking about widely consumed media such as the BBC, CBS, MSNBC, The Washington Post and countless others. I don't need to point out the zero credibility left to CNN with Don Lemon and Brian Steltner anchoring their show.
Rasmussen reports show that 62% of Americans believe there is leftist bias in the media, single figures for its opposite number.
Opponents of gay marriage (I'm not one of them) and the repeal the 8th movement were treated with absolute contempt, undeniable regardless of your opinion of their views.
Traditional gender roles, the conflation of sex with gender, even expressing oneself to the contrary is not only frowned upon, it can have the police knocking on your door in the UK. Being even mildly conservative is conflated with extremism and bigotry, and I can tell you that from experience.
So if you think I'm 'talking shite' and then leave your comment at that, floating around like the odious fart that it is, fine. Try fighting your corner if you disagree, rather than dismissing an opinion you dislike.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 03, 2020, 08:28:01 PM
Finally, this thread has been crying out for a less complex case!
Blacks are 90% of the population in SA but whites have 70% of the land, so really the whites only have themselves to blame:
If they'd done what the whites who settled the Americas did and committed proper genocide on the indigenous people, they wouldn't be in this mess now :abbath: :abbath:
The treatment of blacks by the Boers in Transvaal and the Oranje Staat is about as bad is it got. I read Packenhams book in the Boer War, and a British Tommy interviewed even said 'we could hardly believe it, the Boojers would shoot a kaffir like you'd shoot a dog on the street'.
Nevertheless, you can't blame their descendants for that. It certainly doesn't excuse what's going on over there now.
Oh just shut up and shift each other already .. I want to go home :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 03, 2020, 09:04:13 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
And in another way, it is the same as how the 1% of the world hold 99% of the wealth. This is as much the problem with the modern world as racism and I genuinely feel these protests are a class issue as much as a race issue. I bet the rich black people aren't setting fire to anything. In fact they are on Youtube making dopey fucking videos about how the other blacks should be doing it
You're sounding just like Cornel West now, Pedrito's gonna be fuckin' livid :abbath: :abbath:
Sitting here in my mansion watching some Trevor Noah on the tv getting my back massaged by some Thai ladyboys..living it large I am bitches. Release the hounds if any riff raff approach the door Jeeves :abbath:
Can't we all just get along...?
Ok lads I have a shining example of how shit this has all gone. I was watching a few videos of the Psychic Graveyard album and lo and fucking behold here comes the next video and it's the latest on lads hopping off the white house and it's fucking live. Why not give me a video of more music as usual? We are being forced into all of this by the media and it's disgraceful how obvious it all is. There is some fucked up shit at play in all of this and I can't quite put my finger on what the purpose of it all is but it is all like a giant experiment in control by who the fuck I don't know but I smell a rat with the coverage.
Anyone else feel like they are being coerced? I live in Ireland and I want to watch videos of weird industrial noise rock and yet the next video by a site which is usually so clever at giving me what I want is autoplaying me some shit involving U.S. riots. This plays right back into the original idea of this thread. So much of this shit is social media driven and the reason I don't know who the commentators on it are is because I don't want to know. This is the first time my next autoplayed video has been a live one of any description and fuck it we are all being done here. I have had a similar feeling with the covid shit, not that it isn't real but that we are all being played like a fiddle and here we go again. Wait and see. I won't start into this again because I haven't figured out the purpose of it all and maybe I never will but we are all buying right into it in some way to a lesser or greater extent. The fact that this is the most active thread by far is a fine example of how it is working and I am not saying that I am any less ripe for the taking than anyone else.
And I wouldn't mind that was on pornhub
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
And I wouldn't mind that was on pornhub
White on black sells and black on white sells! Black on black, not so much.
The only difference between porn and the news is that, thankfully, in the former if it bleeds it doesn't lead :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
Black on black doesn't sell? Jesus speak for yourself ye racist!
I don't see race, only categories.
I was watching a vid earlier and fuck me I'd swear it was Cornel West giving it to some young white cheerleader. Put me off my flow completely :abbath:
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
And I wouldn't mind that was on pornhub
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/176/780/df5.jpg)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Quote from: Juggz on June 03, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
The left is now the mainstream...
Sorry, but you’re just talking absolute shite, seriously.
Am I? Ace, thanks.
I’ll give you a few examples, starting with the media. With the exception of the The Wall Street Journal and Fox in the US (controlled by a libertarian) over 90% of news reports related to Donald Trump have been overwhelmingly negative, and I’m talking about widely consumed media such as the BBC, CBS, MSNBC, The Washington Post and countless others. I don’t need to point out the zero credibility left to CNN with Don Lemon and Brian Steltner anchoring their show.
Rasmussen reports show that 62% of Americans believe there is leftist bias in the media, single figures for its opposite number.
Opponents of gay marriage (I’m not one of them) and the repeal the 8th movement were treated with absolute contempt, undeniable regardless of your opinion of their views.
Traditional gender roles, the conflation of sex with gender, even expressing oneself to the contrary is not only frowned upon, it can have the police knocking on your door in the UK. Being even mildly conservative is conflated with extremism and bigotry, and I can tell you that from experience.
So if you think I’m ‘talking shite’ and then leave your comment at that, floating around like the odious fart that it is, fine. Try fighting your corner if you disagree, rather than dismissing an opinion you dislike.
Both the US and the UK, which you have used for your examples, are run by right wing conservative governments, voted for by the people of those countries. Please explain how this makes the minority mainstream, cos I don't get it, fella. You're mixing liberalism with left-wing political views and those things are not intrinsically linked. Whatever shite-bubble you're getting your information from behind this
right-winger as minority victim complex is just that, shite.
Quote from: ochoill on June 03, 2020, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
And I wouldn't mind that was on pornhub
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/176/780/df5.jpg)
:laugh:
Do ye honestly not see it? The hole on yer one
Classic liberalism has nothing to do with left wing politics, so I think it's you who is confused.
The progressive movement, what I believe you mean to say, has a stranglehold on American academia, the movies you watch, the 'news' that is consumed. If you dare to express conservative opinions on social media about transgenderism being a psychological disorder, abortion being wrong, whatever the case may be, you'll be slaughtered for it, or booted. If you have a YouTube channel, you'll be demonitized.
For the record, I'm a right winger and I rarely use social media, therefore I don't have a 'victim complex' as you put it. Nevertheless I'm capable of seeing what's in front of me. A speaker like Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnes turns up to speak at a college campus, they place gets set on fire. Find me an example of a left wing speaker being 'cancelled' on an American campus by Proud Boys or any protestors from the right and I'll send you a pack of beer from any brewer you want (within reason).
Which takes more balls, wearing a Che Guevara shirts or one of those oh-so-trendy CCCP Tops, or a MAGA hat?
Precisely, because one is mainstream, hip, class. The other is shadowy, other, counter-culture. It might seem like a base argument, but it's essentially what it boils down to. The paraphernalia, bells and whistles of social justice warriorism, progressives, however you label it is completely mainstream. The same cannot be said of conservative views. Look at the total lack of response to the BLM protest in London, despite the Covid social distancing rules. I'm speculating of course, but what do you think would happen if it were Tommy Robinson and pals protesting Muslim grooming gangs? A different story altogether, I'd wager.
If you believe that Donald Trump and Boris Johnson are wind vanes for popular culture, well, I don't know what to tell you, fella.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Do ye honestly not see it? The hole on yer one
I saw it, from my casual observer's chair. 8)
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Do ye honestly not see it? The hole on yer one
The amount of it being pushed online? Well it's pretty much all absolutely anyone is talking about online at the moment so it's no wonder it was recommended to you. I haven't noticed it on YouTube myself but it's all I see on Twitter and Facebook at least. Not that I mind - I'm interested in it and honestly hope that, regardless of how we're picking it apart the current situation here in this thread, this is the start to the end of the level of racism and class divide that's absolutely intrinsic to how the US was formed and operates, amongst other things.
Just to be clear Black Wives Matter is available on pornhub and something called Spankbang also.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 10:29:38 PM
Just to be clear Black Wives Matter is available on pornhub and something called Spankbang also.
I gave you something to do for the evening so :laugh:
Quote from: ochoill on June 03, 2020, 10:15:50 PM
Not that I mind - I'm interested in it and honestly hope that, regardless of how we're picking it apart the current situation here in this thread, this is the start to the end of the level of racism and class divide that's absolutely intrinsic to how the US was formed and operates, amongst other things.
Sure it's already over; it's been an illusion for an indeterminate amount of time :abbath: Super-rich whites in countries their ancestors invaded and subjugated are victim to just as much racism as impoverished blacks in countries their ancestors were dragged to on pain of death by super-rich whites who found themselves without cheap labour having slaughtered all the indigenous people. So that means we're all even now, it's all good. Water under the bridge. Maybe you're not white though, if you were you'd understand :abbath:
#ALLWIVESMATTER :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
#ESPECIALLYVARGSTRADITIONALWIFE :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
Quote from: ochoill on June 03, 2020, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Do ye honestly not see it? The hole on yer one
The amount of it being pushed online? Well it's pretty much all absolutely anyone is talking about online at the moment so it's no wonder it was recommended to you. I haven't noticed it on YouTube myself but it's all I see on Twitter and Facebook at least. Not that I mind - I'm interested in it and honestly hope that, regardless of how we're picking it apart the current situation here in this thread, this is the start to the end of the level of racism and class divide that's absolutely intrinsic to how the US was formed and operates, amongst other things.
I know it's all any cunt is talking about online, but why force me in that direction when all I wanted was a bit of experimental noise rock? The whole reason it is all that is being talked about online is precisely because of shit like this and it's a load of balls in that way.
"Russia Finally Wins Cold War" says no-one.
How do ye all like your Maskirovka?!
Quote from: ochoill on June 03, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 10:29:38 PM
Just to be clear Black Wives Matter is available on pornhub and something called Spankbang also.
I gave you something to do for the evening so :laugh:
A welcome distraction :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 03, 2020, 10:33:24 PM
Quote from: ochoill on June 03, 2020, 10:15:50 PM
Not that I mind - I'm interested in it and honestly hope that, regardless of how we're picking it apart the current situation here in this thread, this is the start to the end of the level of racism and class divide that's absolutely intrinsic to how the US was formed and operates, amongst other things.
Sure it's already over; it's been an illusion for an indeterminate amount of time :abbath: Super-rich whites in countries their ancestors invaded and subjugated are victim to just as much racism as impoverished blacks in countries their ancestors were dragged to on pain of death by super-rich whites who found themselves without cheap labour having slaughtered all the indigenous people. So that means we're all even now, it's all good. Water under the bridge. Maybe you're not white though, if you were you'd understand :abbath:
#ALLWIVESMATTER :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
#ESPECIALLYVARGSTRADITIONALWIFE :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
I'm black ya cunt ya
Edit: I feel I must clarify that I'm not actually black, I was trying to make a bit of a point about how logic and reason go out the window when colour is brought into the discussion.
I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: ochoill on June 03, 2020, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Do ye honestly not see it? The hole on yer one
The amount of it being pushed online? Well it's pretty much all absolutely anyone is talking about online at the moment so it's no wonder it was recommended to you. I haven't noticed it on YouTube myself but it's all I see on Twitter and Facebook at least. Not that I mind - I'm interested in it and honestly hope that, regardless of how we're picking it apart the current situation here in this thread, this is the start to the end of the level of racism and class divide that's absolutely intrinsic to how the US was formed and operates, amongst other things.
How do ye all like your Maskirovka?!
Eehhh from behind? Is this a trick question?
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 10:40:38 PM
Quote from: ochoill on June 03, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 10:29:38 PM
Just to be clear Black Wives Matter is available on pornhub and something called Spankbang also.
I gave you something to do for the evening so :laugh:
A welcome distraction :laugh:
Betcha a tenner it could have been called White Husbands Matter!
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2020, 10:42:23 PM
Eehhh from behind? Is this a trick question?
It's always from behind
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
How do you all think this attack on institutional racism would be playing out if George Floyd had been murdered by a black officer?
Sort of playing devil's advocate but only sort of
"But don't let it be a black and a white one
'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top
Black police showing out for the white cop" :abbath:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Quote from: Juggz on June 03, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
The left is now the mainstream...
Sorry, but you're just talking absolute shite, seriously.
Am I? Ace, thanks.
I'll give you a few examples, starting with the media. With the exception of the The Wall Street Journal and Fox in the US (controlled by a libertarian) over 90% of news reports related to Donald Trump have been overwhelmingly negative, and I'm talking about widely consumed media such as the BBC, CBS, MSNBC, The Washington Post and countless others. I don't need to point out the zero credibility left to CNN with Don Lemon and Brian Steltner anchoring their show.
Rasmussen reports show that 62% of Americans believe there is leftist bias in the media, single figures for its opposite number.
Opponents of gay marriage (I'm not one of them) and the repeal the 8th movement were treated with absolute contempt, undeniable regardless of your opinion of their views.
Traditional gender roles, the conflation of sex with gender, even expressing oneself to the contrary is not only frowned upon, it can have the police knocking on your door in the UK. Being even mildly conservative is conflated with extremism and bigotry, and I can tell you that from experience.
So if you think I'm 'talking shite' and then leave your comment at that, floating around like the odious fart that it is, fine. Try fighting your corner if you disagree, rather than dismissing an opinion you dislike.
Do you believe that 90% of the stories about Trump are negative because of a leftie bias or is it because he's been guilty of decades of bad shit that has been well documented? (even before he came to power). All the stuff with Ukraine, building a wall to keep out Mexicans, rolling back loads of power from the EPA, pussy grabbing, inciting violence towards protesters, defunding the WHO because of their response to COVID19 (even though it was Trump who first abolished a pandemic task force and then sat on his little hands before anything happened, even then he spoke absolute nonsense for most of it). Links to Jeffery Epstein? The bit where he just tried to buy Greenland? More deflections than Bruce Grobbelaar?
Fuck what 62% of Americans think about the leftist bias, what percentage of them are conservative Christian nutters who believe it's their God given right to own firearms and don't believe in science and that the fucking moon landings are a leftie conspiracy? A public poll of ordinary Americans means absolute jack shit unless you're polling every single one of them.
Opponents of gay rights and Repeal the 8th were correctly treated with contempt because being opponents of them means you are an opponent of what should be basic human/women's rights. Try telling my friend who conceived through rape by a stranger that abortion is a bad thing. And if it's okay in that circumstance (because people's morals are surprisingly malleable when it's themselves or someone close to them in the firing line), why not in others?
Traditional gender rolls are load of bollocks, an anachronism that belongs in the past. I don't have strong opinions about the gender debate because I haven't given it much thought, but I currently sit at "let people live how they want". Where does having a conservative opinion around that get anyone? More to the point, why have a conservative opinion? They're not doing anything to conservatives, why make their lives more difficult? Plus, one of the reasons why I haven't thought of gender issues is I can't get myself into that headspace... I'd imagine conservative commentators are in a similar predicament, so why try to go against these people?
I fully support the people protesting in America but some of (a lot of the) people over here going on about it just come across as sanctimonious pricks. Seeing a lot of 'if you're not out protesting' or posting on social media about it you're contributing to the oppression of black people which is bollocks imo, I sympathise with the BLM movement but if everyone protested about every injustice that happened 5,000 miles away nothing would get done. If they want to protest/donate/stand in solidarity then go for it, I actively encourage them (though I'd rather they did it from home in the current climate), but don't act so self-righteous for supporting exactly one social issue in your entire life.
Quote from: Ducky on June 03, 2020, 11:36:01 PM
More to the point, why have a conservative opinion? They're not doing anything to conservatives, why make their lives more difficult? Plus, one of the reasons why I haven't thought of gender issues is I can't get myself into that headspace... I'd imagine conservative commentators are in a similar predicament, so why try to go against these people?
'Cos...the bible :abbath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKRumV9yL6Q&list=OLAK5uy_nmHmnkhqvXXCzuDStkBw03Le2yks7mFu0
Quote from: Ducky on June 03, 2020, 11:36:01 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Quote from: Juggz on June 03, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
The left is now the mainstream...
Sorry, but you're just talking absolute shite, seriously.
Am I? Ace, thanks.
I'll give you a few examples, starting with the media. With the exception of the The Wall Street Journal and Fox in the US (controlled by a libertarian) over 90% of news reports related to Donald Trump have been overwhelmingly negative, and I'm talking about widely consumed media such as the BBC, CBS, MSNBC, The Washington Post and countless others. I don't need to point out the zero credibility left to CNN with Don Lemon and Brian Steltner anchoring their show.
Rasmussen reports show that 62% of Americans believe there is leftist bias in the media, single figures for its opposite number.
Opponents of gay marriage (I'm not one of them) and the repeal the 8th movement were treated with absolute contempt, undeniable regardless of your opinion of their views.
Traditional gender roles, the conflation of sex with gender, even expressing oneself to the contrary is not only frowned upon, it can have the police knocking on your door in the UK. Being even mildly conservative is conflated with extremism and bigotry, and I can tell you that from experience.
So if you think I'm 'talking shite' and then leave your comment at that, floating around like the odious fart that it is, fine. Try fighting your corner if you disagree, rather than dismissing an opinion you dislike.
Do you believe that 90% of the stories about Trump are negative because of a leftie bias or is it because he's been guilty of decades of bad shit that has been well documented? (even before he came to power). All the stuff with Ukraine, building a wall to keep out Mexicans, rolling back loads of power from the EPA, pussy grabbing, inciting violence towards protesters, defunding the WHO because of their response to COVID19 (even though it was Trump who first abolished a pandemic task force and then sat on his little hands before anything happened, even then he spoke absolute nonsense for most of it). Links to Jeffery Epstein? The bit where he just tried to buy Greenland? More deflections than Bruce Grobbelaar?
Fuck what 62% of Americans think about the leftist bias, what percentage of them are conservative Christian nutters who believe it's their God given right to own firearms and don't believe in science and that the fucking moon landings are a leftie conspiracy? A public poll of ordinary Americans means absolute jack shit unless you're polling every single one of them.
Opponents of gay rights and Repeal the 8th were correctly treated with contempt because being opponents of them means you are an opponent of what should be basic human/women's rights. Try telling my friend who conceived through rape by a stranger that abortion is a bad thing. And if it's okay in that circumstance (because people's morals are surprisingly malleable when it's themselves or someone close to them in the firing line), why not in others?
Traditional gender rolls are load of bollocks, an anachronism that belongs in the past. I don't have strong opinions about the gender debate because I haven't given it much thought, but I currently sit at "let people live how they want". Where does having a conservative opinion around that get anyone? More to the point, why have a conservative opinion? They're not doing anything to conservatives, why make their lives more difficult? Plus, one of the reasons why I haven't thought of gender issues is I can't get myself into that headspace... I'd imagine conservative commentators are in a similar predicament, so why try to go against these people?
Wow.
And there you have a perfect, angry diatribe showing utter intolerance for any form of conservative opinion.
Ducky you seem a good lad, and I'm not going to have any more beck and forths, I'm sprouting grey hairs here.
But, it seems you are for all kinds of diversity apart from diversity of opinion.
There really should be another thread cos this left/right divide always pops up and despite it often going in a fairly antagonistic direction, there's huge scope for proper discussion (argument) .
It's obvious that Kev's views lead him to the proverbial slaughterhouse, but I think that's unfair. And while I disagree with his stance on abortion, he should be able to hold and express these views. It reminds me of the Repeal movement and I remember the vitriol aimed at the more conservative folk, I even remember some friends on FB posting to anyone against repealing to unfriend them. And these are normally rational people.
And with that, I have totally derailed this thread. Oops.
We're even now Eoinín, after I said that prayer for you in August 2018 for your liver not to crumble and fall clean out of yer arse after a certain game of GAA :)
Haha
And actually, it must have been a shit prayer cos the next day I got the most severe panic attack from drinking. I only very rarely get mangled ever since and fair chance I need half a Xanax to deal with a hangover. So, I dunno what kinda prayer it was. Maybe take it back!
Quote from: Ducky on June 03, 2020, 11:36:01 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
Quote from: Juggz on June 03, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 03, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
The left is now the mainstream...
Sorry, but you're just talking absolute shite, seriously.
Am I? Ace, thanks.
I'll give you a few examples, starting with the media. With the exception of the The Wall Street Journal and Fox in the US (controlled by a libertarian) over 90% of news reports related to Donald Trump have been overwhelmingly negative, and I'm talking about widely consumed media such as the BBC, CBS, MSNBC, The Washington Post and countless others. I don't need to point out the zero credibility left to CNN with Don Lemon and Brian Steltner anchoring their show.
Rasmussen reports show that 62% of Americans believe there is leftist bias in the media, single figures for its opposite number.
Opponents of gay marriage (I'm not one of them) and the repeal the 8th movement were treated with absolute contempt, undeniable regardless of your opinion of their views.
Traditional gender roles, the conflation of sex with gender, even expressing oneself to the contrary is not only frowned upon, it can have the police knocking on your door in the UK. Being even mildly conservative is conflated with extremism and bigotry, and I can tell you that from experience.
So if you think I'm 'talking shite' and then leave your comment at that, floating around like the odious fart that it is, fine. Try fighting your corner if you disagree, rather than dismissing an opinion you dislike.
Do you believe that 90% of the stories about Trump are negative because of a leftie bias or is it because he's been guilty of decades of bad shit that has been well documented? (even before he came to power). All the stuff with Ukraine, building a wall to keep out Mexicans, rolling back loads of power from the EPA, pussy grabbing, inciting violence towards protesters, defunding the WHO because of their response to COVID19 (even though it was Trump who first abolished a pandemic task force and then sat on his little hands before anything happened, even then he spoke absolute nonsense for most of it). Links to Jeffery Epstein? The bit where he just tried to buy Greenland? More deflections than Bruce Grobbelaar?
Fuck what 62% of Americans think about the leftist bias, what percentage of them are conservative Christian nutters who believe it's their God given right to own firearms and don't believe in science and that the fucking moon landings are a leftie conspiracy? A public poll of ordinary Americans means absolute jack shit unless you're polling every single one of them.
Opponents of gay rights and Repeal the 8th were correctly treated with contempt because being opponents of them means you are an opponent of what should be basic human/women's rights. Try telling my friend who conceived through rape by a stranger that abortion is a bad thing. And if it's okay in that circumstance (because people's morals are surprisingly malleable when it's themselves or someone close to them in the firing line), why not in others?
Traditional gender rolls are load of bollocks, an anachronism that belongs in the past. I don't have strong opinions about the gender debate because I haven't given it much thought, but I currently sit at "let people live how they want". Where does having a conservative opinion around that get anyone? More to the point, why have a conservative opinion? They're not doing anything to conservatives, why make their lives more difficult? Plus, one of the reasons why I haven't thought of gender issues is I can't get myself into that headspace... I'd imagine conservative commentators are in a similar predicament, so why try to go against these people?
Sounds like you are one of them lefties.
Can't wait til the meltdown when trump wins the next election. More and more can see the democrat states are burning. A lot of democrats will be changing sides to trump if they see their cities wrecked. Look at NYC ,the democrats did fuck all to stop the rioters.
And whatever side people are on, it's ridiculous that celebs etc are being forced to go with the virtue signalling narrative on twitter etc. If they don't, it's like a witch hunt.
I seen Kris from Nirvana said something pro trump and the twitterati near had a meltdown,so much hate sent to him.
It's getting out of hand. People should be able to support who they want, within reason obviously.
It'll be amazing if he wins because you know how mainstream left-wing politics is in the US, right? It's like a mecca for socialism, these days. There's barely a white conservative left to vote for him :laugh:
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The left is now the mainstream...
Sorry, but you're just talking absolute shite, seriously.
Am I? Ace, thanks.
I'll give you a few examples, starting with the media. With the exception of the The Wall Street Journal and Fox in the US (controlled by a libertarian) over 90% of news reports related to Donald Trump have been overwhelmingly negative, and I'm talking about widely consumed media such as the BBC, CBS, MSNBC, The Washington Post and countless others. I don't need to point out the zero credibility left to CNN with Don Lemon and Brian Steltner anchoring their show.
Rasmussen reports show that 62% of Americans believe there is leftist bias in the media, single figures for its opposite number.
Opponents of gay marriage (I'm not one of them) and the repeal the 8th movement were treated with absolute contempt, undeniable regardless of your opinion of their views.
Traditional gender roles, the conflation of sex with gender, even expressing oneself to the contrary is not only frowned upon, it can have the police knocking on your door in the UK. Being even mildly conservative is conflated with extremism and bigotry, and I can tell you that from experience.
So if you think I'm 'talking shite' and then leave your comment at that, floating around like the odious fart that it is, fine. Try fighting your corner if you disagree, rather than dismissing an opinion you dislike.
Do you believe that 90% of the stories about Trump are negative because of a leftie bias or is it because he's been guilty of decades of bad shit that has been well documented? (even before he came to power). All the stuff with Ukraine, building a wall to keep out Mexicans, rolling back loads of power from the EPA, pussy grabbing, inciting violence towards protesters, defunding the WHO because of their response to COVID19 (even though it was Trump who first abolished a pandemic task force and then sat on his little hands before anything happened, even then he spoke absolute nonsense for most of it). Links to Jeffery Epstein? The bit where he just tried to buy Greenland? More deflections than Bruce Grobbelaar?
Fuck what 62% of Americans think about the leftist bias, what percentage of them are conservative Christian nutters who believe it's their God given right to own firearms and don't believe in science and that the fucking moon landings are a leftie conspiracy? A public poll of ordinary Americans means absolute jack shit unless you're polling every single one of them.
Opponents of gay rights and Repeal the 8th were correctly treated with contempt because being opponents of them means you are an opponent of what should be basic human/women's rights. Try telling my friend who conceived through rape by a stranger that abortion is a bad thing. And if it's okay in that circumstance (because people's morals are surprisingly malleable when it's themselves or someone close to them in the firing line), why not in others?
Traditional gender rolls are load of bollocks, an anachronism that belongs in the past. I don't have strong opinions about the gender debate because I haven't given it much thought, but I currently sit at "let people live how they want". Where does having a conservative opinion around that get anyone? More to the point, why have a conservative opinion? They're not doing anything to conservatives, why make their lives more difficult? Plus, one of the reasons why I haven't thought of gender issues is I can't get myself into that headspace... I'd imagine conservative commentators are in a similar predicament, so why try to go against these people?
Any of the conservatives, or the traditional liberal types, I've listened to like Douglas Murray, Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson etc. are absolutely fine with people being trans and believe they should be treated with all due respect down to the specific desired pronoun. They just believe that it's not the government's place to make proper use of pronouns a human rights issue, particularly in the US where it's practically impossible to keep up with it. Seems reasonable enough to me. They are pushing for respect from all sides and a move back towards the centre as each side is becoming too entrenched in ideology. I find their arguments persuasive because I have always more or less felt that way and never been strong politically. A bit of decency can go a long way.
To bring it back on topic, that's perhaps a lesson that the cops in the states could learn. The heavy handed tactic has its place and, of course, they face some really dangerous criminals in their line of work so they need to have that switch that puts them into military mode, but that switch has to be able to turn off when dealing with civilians. Their training has to be looked at and whatever faults are found need to be addressed. And that is only one aspect of wider reform that I think will help move things in the right direction.
If the majority of minorities perceive that they are being treated as second class citizens, then there might be a good reason for that. Better schools and amenities in deprived areas are another essential ingredient. A mix of soft touch community policing might help too, to build back the trust that has been decimated. What do I know, I'm just an armchair critic with fuck all facts, but they seem like simple and logical methods to my simple brainball.
I read this morning Donald is double digits behind in the swing states. I'd have said he was a shoe-in prior to the the Covid and now Floyd debacles.
Quote from: Juggz on June 04, 2020, 08:33:09 AM
It'll be amazing if he wins because you know how mainstream left-wing politics is in the US, right? It's like a mecca for socialism, these days. There's barely a white conservative left to vote for him :laugh:
What does the skin colour of a conservative have to do with anything? Does it annoy you when black race traitors vote republican?
What does the gender of a liberal have to do with anything?
Quote from: astfgyl on June 03, 2020, 10:39:18 PM
"Russia Finally Wins Cold War" says no-one.
How do ye all like your Maskirovka?!
They played the long game, but with its help they're really coming out on top lol
There is a theory that the only reason any of us hear about RU involvement in US elections through hacking & social media targeting is part of a particular effort of Maskirovka (rather than the standard kind that seems to generally entrench their whole approach to foreign affairs) and the end goal is probably much closer to Aleksander Dugin's model of ensuring the US destroys itself and public opinion of the US is completely eroded elsewhere in the world anyway.
And meanwhile, everybody's gaze is deflected from China. The real bastards.... :abbath:
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Quote from: Juggz on June 04, 2020, 08:33:09 AM
It'll be amazing if he wins because you know how mainstream left-wing politics is in the US, right? It's like a mecca for socialism, these days. There's barely a white conservative left to vote for him :laugh:
What does the skin colour of a conservative have to do with anything? Does it annoy you when black race traitors vote republican?
He got 8% of the African-American vote in 2016.
And almost 30% of Asian and Hispanic respectively.
Hardly an exclusively 'white conservative' voter base.
What's your point?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 04, 2020, 11:25:58 AM
And almost 30% of Asian and Hispanic respectively.
Hardly an exclusively 'white conservative' voter base.
What's your point?
Trump voters:
African-American, 8% (of ~12% of the population).
Hispanic, 18-30% (of ~16% of the population).
Asian, 18-27% (of ~5% of the population).
Caucasian, 58% (of ~72% of the population).
Trump voters were overwhelmingly white (presumably) conservatives, while 85% of non-whites are "not represented" by him. Or, to put it a bit clearer: take a random sample of 100 US voters and you should expect to get 1 African-American Trump voter, 2.5-4.5 Hispanic Trump voters, 0.9 - 1.25 Asian Trump voters, and 42 white Trump voters. Meaning essentially 85-90% of Trump voters were white.
So, you're right, not exclusively, but the political landscape Juggz was referring to is 85-90% unambiguous. Thems is prettty good odds! But they also give an n-th element for getting a feeling for the atmosphere in the US at the moment.
Edit: There is conflicting data over percentages for Hispanic and Asian populations, so I've included a range before anyone apoplectically points this out.
This is the source of the data I provided, which differs significantly from what you say were figures for Asian and Hispanic.
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016
I was seconds too late with my edit!
It looks like he's snookered now regardless for this autumn. Seems as if he's cracking. His only hope is that his opponent is a senile auld sleazeball who looks as if he wouldn't see out his term.
He's rarely looked fully in control tbh. Pity the democrats have been very ineffectual, from my armchair point of view anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's voted in again.
Polls schmolls...did they not have Hillary as a shoe in the last time?
As outraged as people are by the murder this week, the reaction will have a lot of people in the middle worried. People with families, not idealogues or people with agendas, the majority of us who sit in the middle and try to sift through the hidden agendas and the disingenuous argumentation, be they ultra right Christian or Leftist, marxist leaning whatever.
I wouldn't write anyone off right now. If the Democrats had any sense they would have had Tulsi Gabbard in there instead of Biden who I seriously doubt swing voters will get behind.
Exit polls are generally much more reliable. But speaking of breaking things up, it's the fucking two party system that needs breaking up!
I also wouldn't be overly surprised if Trump wins again. He's playing to that 85-90% very well by baiting the left into portraying themselves as hysterical, and the Democrats have gone from bad to worse since last election.
I think he'll walk it, personally. Biden is a personality vacuum in a popularity contest.
The democrats are complete idiots going for Biden, the only candidate I liked from their side was Andrew Yang, at least he came up with a huge range of interesting policies and ideas. Tulsi Gabbard would have appealed to many on both sides but didn't seem to make an impact. Democrats already had their pick, again to their detriment.
I was sure Trump was a shoe-in before these last few days unfolded, now I haven't a clue but we've a long way to go before November. It's mad to think that the biggest job in the worlds most powerful country is between two 70+ year old chumps...as BSC says, the two party system has not been working for Americans for a long long time and needs some kind of shake up.
How do things end up as a two party system anyway? How can anything be so black or white that one must choose one side or the other and be left with no choice which resembles something in between?
Realised this morning that I changed my profile pic on FB to a black square back in March after getting sick of the old one. I really wanted to use something that said nothing at the time. Is there any colour that represents nothing at all that I could use?
Quoting from the covid thread here:
"Just announced from autopsy results that George Floyd was positive but asymptomatic for coronavirus. Could be a bad omen for the COVID fallout of the protests."
I wonder if Derek Chauvin could use the idea that he was kneeling on Floyd to help him with social distancing as a sort of defence? Not really joking either, he will have to try come up with something in his defence and whatever it happens to be it is bound to be laughable.
Well, George Zimmerman got away with it. Daniel Pantaleo got away with it. Singer, Koon, Powell, Wind, Briseno and Solano got away with it. Why not this one?
I'm not ruling out the possibility that some or all of these 4 will get away with it to some extent. The other three obviously have a greater chance, but even Chauvin might find some sort of technicality to get off on. I can't imagine the shit that would kick off if that were to happen
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Well, George Zimmerman got away with it. Daniel Pantaleo got away with it. Singer, Koon, Powell, Wind, Briseno and Solano got away with it. Why not this one?
Yeah, I was reading this earlier today which is basically the mirror side of that list of names:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/american-police-violence-against-black-people
Sorry it's from The Guardian; Breitbart, Quillette, and The Daily Caller don't go in for this kind of analysis. But, unlike those sites, while the interpretation in The Guardian may not be to everyone's tastes, they do make it very easy to click your way back to proper source material, which should be everyone's gold standard for media outlets in this day and age.
The same could be said for all of Steven Crowder's (in no way a journalist, a commentator) arguments, his material is impeccably cited, and if I put you and him in a room alone, I'd imagine only one would come out. He's very loud, obnoxious and his arguments, although correct in my view, would infuriate you or anyone leaning left. But everything is beautifully cited.
The Guardian pays that Owen Jones to write op-eds, that's grounds for boycotting it outright.
But sure I'll have a look, fuck it.
Edit - The first link leads back to the Washington Post, an even more biased publication! Like a Marxist circle-jerk!
Quote from: astfgyl on June 04, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
How do things end up as a two party system anyway? How can anything be so black or white that one must choose one side or the other and be left with no choice which resembles something in between?
Realised this morning that I changed my profile pic on FB to a black square back in March after getting sick of the old one. I really wanted to use something that said nothing at the time. Is there any colour that represents nothing at all that I could use?
it's like you're typing all your comments from a Truman Show style office floating somewhere above the human condition; your calibration is perfect. Anyway afaik all colours numbers shapes letters tones words are bound up with
meaningsbetter not to go along with anything at all.
Quote from: mugz on June 04, 2020, 05:11:48 PMAnyway afaik all colours numbers shapes letters tones words are bound up with meanings
better not to go along with anything at all.
I reckon a photo showing Megadeths Youthanasia on top of a pile of every Megadeth album post Rust in Peace would do nicely.
cryptic writings is unfairly maligned. even risk is 50% excellent
Those blacks on whites videos doing the rounds are a bit testy. Turning the average people on the street against you is really going to further your cause.
Won't be surprised to see the army coming in if this keeps up.
there's a 90s metal song lyric 'black on black white on white', maybe stuck mojo?
It's all just nonsense really, and even worse all this synthetic rioting and racial provocation makes it impossible to deal with genuine situations, to have genuine discussions about what' we're trying to do as a society, where we want to go.
It's almost like it's a deliberate underminement of serious issues. But then again that means we live in a world where almost everything is an outright lie or a complex misdirection.
Up to you to decide whether they do deliberately insane nonsense to keep people asleep or if they do it because they're indirectly trying to wake us up, or in true masonic fashion, they want to wake us up to sleep in a new dream.....
This is the documentary you need to watch if you think you've got it all figured out, if you're still insisting that there is no "racial" issue at this point in history.
African-American males make up 6.5% of the population of the US but 40.2% of its 2.3 million prison population (the largest prison population in the world). If you can't explain that, don't worry: 100 minutes of your time and you'll understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfcq5pF8u8
Ok, I'll give this one a look but making a guess at it, is it anything to do with the fact that young black males are more likely to come from deprived areas, thus forcing them towards crime more often than middle class whites? That would of course still make it a racial issue along the line, as the black population had to end up in the most deprived areas somehow. Is it anything like that?
I was watching something about the 3 strikes law and the private prisons before, and it did seem to affect a disproportionate number of the ethnic minorities. It almost looked as if someone wanted to make money off them.....
For what it's worth I do think there are racial issues at play worldwide, but I wonder would fixing the social problems and striving to shrink the gap between rich and poor go some way to easing those tensions?
They also commit a worryingly and disproportionately high number of violent crimes, it can't be denied.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not excusing police brutality or denying the existence of racism. The principal factor in these arrest figures I've linked below are due to criminal behaviour, not widespread racism.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime
Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
Ok, I'll give this one a look but making a guess at it, is it anything to do with the fact that young black males are more likely to come from deprived areas, thus forcing them towards crime more often than middle class whites? That would of course still make it a racial issue along the line, as the black population had to end up in the most deprived areas somehow. Is it anything like that?
There's much more specific and sinister intent behind it than anything that prosaic observation about poverty can explain. That's why it's an important watch if you're interested in the subject. If you're going to watch it, do that first and then tell us what you think after.
Prisons are big business in the US (there are privately owned prisons in the UK too), and if we can take the identity politics out of it, these prisons need to be filled to keep profits ticking over. That's part of the reason for the very harsh punishments for various offences compared to Europe. The machine doesn't care much if it's dark or light coloured meat, I'd imagine.
If you care to learn, watch it. Nothing you're saying explains why 40.2% of the prison population is African-American. The enormous, over-whelming majority of them are certainly not there because of violent crime.
"Some criminologists think we could be simply confusing race for poverty or inequality: black people tend to offend more because they tend to be more disadvantaged, living in poorer urban areas with less access to public services, and so on.
If you control for deprivation, people of different races ought to be similarly predisposed to commit crime. Or that's the theory, at least.
There is a lot of research in this area, but a lot of it is contradictory.
This study of violent crime in deprived neighbourhoods in Cleveland, Ohio, found that reductions in poverty led to reductions in the crime rate in exactly the same way in predominantly black and white areas, suggesting poverty, not race, is the biggest factor."
That quote from the Channel 4 fact check pretty much sums up my feelings on it. I think there is an element of race too, but not as much as we are led to believe by the current level of protest. If one is an equal opportunities cop, there will be no distinction made between the colours of the offenders one shoots. Therefore, if more offenders are of a given race more of those will be shot..
The problem has to be fixed at the source. Give those from disadvantaged areas access to better education and job opportunities, provide them with affordable healthcare and get them out of tenement-style housing and provide this to all regardless of colour and watch the racist cop issue melt away in time. It would have to be a long game, played out over the course of a generation or two but it would also neatly sidestep the issue around positive discrimination, which is still discrimination however one wishes to look at it. Equality must be applied equally.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
Prisons are big business in the US (there are privately owned prisons in the UK too), and if we can take the identity politics out of it, these prisons need to be filled to keep profits ticking over. That's part of the reason for the very harsh punishments for various offences compared to Europe. The machine doesn't care much if it's dark or light coloured meat, I'd imagine.
The thing I was watching before was pointing out how in the three strike states, it did seem as if certain minority groups were being targeted. Maybe the logic there was that seeing as the minorities were perceived as more likely to be involved in crime anyway, nobody would notice them being systematically rounded up for furniture making or whatever, but that is pure speculation on my part.
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Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
Ok, I'll give this one a look but making a guess at it, is it anything to do with the fact that young black males are more likely to come from deprived areas, thus forcing them towards crime more often than middle class whites? That would of course still make it a racial issue along the line, as the black population had to end up in the most deprived areas somehow. Is it anything like that?
There's much more specific and sinister intent behind it than anything that prosaic observation about poverty can explain. That's why it's an important watch if you're interested in the subject. If you're going to watch it, do that first and then tell us what you think after.
I will! It will be later though as the housework is calling and I'm procrastinating here as it is
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 07, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
If you care to learn, watch it. Nothing you're saying explains why 40.2% of the prison population is African-American. The enormous, over-whelming majority of them are certainly not there because of violent crime.
Define enormous, overwhelming majority.
I don't consider a Netflix documentary to necessarily hold all the answers, and the same can be said for the bureau of statistics.
Whatever about the States, we could do with locking lads up in our country a bit more. This chap who cut the young lad up in Drogheda and left him in a bin in Dublin was a hitman, terrorising people, with a mere 125 convictions to his name. Plenty like him out and about our fair isle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/robbie-lawlor-profile-a-feared-criminal-with-a-long-list-of-enemies-1.4221529
Fuckin' psychopath. He got what was coming to him.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 07, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
If you care to learn, watch it. Nothing you're saying explains why 40.2% of the prison population is African-American. The enormous, over-whelming majority of them are certainly not there because of violent crime.
Define enormous, overwhelming majority.
I don't consider a Netflix documentary to necessarily hold all the answers, and the same can be said for the bureau of statistics.
Sorry, scrap that as a claim; it's actually almost impossible to get to the bottom of. Listen, you can play the reliable source game until the cows come home, and no one document or source is going to hold "all the answers", just different perspectives. Multiplying your perspectives is the best you can do.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 07, 2020, 11:03:07 AM
Whatever about the States, we could do with locking lads up in our country a bit more. This chap who cut the young lad up in Drogheda and left him in a bin in Dublin was a hitman, terrorising people, with a mere 125 convictions to his name. Plenty like him out and about our fair isle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/robbie-lawlor-profile-a-feared-criminal-with-a-long-list-of-enemies-1.4221529
Maybe we should bring in some sort of 3 strikes law.. The only problem with that would be that the prisons would soon be full to capacity, but if we were to privatise the prison service and allow those prisons to use the inmates as a source of cheap labour, and generate huge profits for the private owners that might sort that out too :laugh:
And to bring back my earlier point about it being a poverty and disadvantage issue, does Mountjoy have more inmates from Dalkey or Darndale? Are the Gardai and the courts discriminating against the poor, or are these folks committing more crimes because they are poor and the Gardai are simply doing their job of arresting criminals and the courts doing their job of convicting them?
The States is a crazy place. I did the whole J1 thing there for 3 Summers. I was in New York first time, Santa Barbara second and 3rd time and I used to go back a lot. The levels of violence you would see in bars and on the streets, especially my second time in California was eyeopening to say the least.
Ireland can be bad but when it kicks off over there everyone seems to bail in. Kids grow up quickly. Even on University campuses where I shared a place the second year I was over there was a lot of serious aggro. I distinctly remember one night when a bunch of black lads were coming after some jock lads and both sides armed to the gills..gunshots going off etc. Imagine that in Trinity College or UCD?
I also worked the door in a bar on the main strip in Santa Barbara. What was basically a riot kicked off one night. I had four guys trying their best to beat me to a pulp when the police came in. A cop.charged at me with his night stick and literally split me in two before I could tell him I was working there. Even so I was glad they were there when I looked up the street and saw the state of the guy Austin I was working with, some fucker doing wrestling moves on him, not a care in the world and his buddies stomping on him at every opporrunity. A standoff then resulted. Took hours for the street to calm down. I've seen loads of violence in bars in Ireland, but never this fuck the police and take them on stuff.
So, spend some time over there. It's easy looking from the safety of Europe and criticising, but it's about 100m people shy of the entire population of Europe and there are some hellholes in Europe too..they're just hidden better. Criminality is through the roof. Drugs have destroyed whole cities of people, inflicting untold misery. Violence is rife. I would also add that the education system is horrific and the disparity between rich and poor is simply mindnumbing to behold. All that said, I met some of the nicest, most decent people you could ever meet over there, from all ranges of life and all colours and creeds. It's an experiment though, a melting pot, and there is plenty hatred of the other coming from all sides. That balances itself out with a lot of really genuine decent people though..a work in progress.
In the middle of all this the Austin PD posted up some images of thank you cards they got.. they are getting the piss ripped out of them.
Before you read the comments do you notice anything different... or not different about the cards! ;D
https://www.facebook.com/AustinPolice/photos/a.1761956740519434/2887391764642587/?type=3&theater
Quote from: Aborted on June 07, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
In the middle of all this the Austin PD posted up some images of thank you cards they got.. they are getting the piss ripped out of them.
Before you read the comments do you notice anything different... or not different about the cards! ;D
https://www.facebook.com/AustinPolice/photos/a.1761956740519434/2887391764642587/?type=3&theater
Someone has a sore wrist after writing all of those :laugh:
Quote from: Pedrito on June 07, 2020, 11:03:07 AM
Whatever about the States, we could do with locking lads up in our country a bit more. This chap who cut the young lad up in Drogheda and left him in a bin in Dublin was a hitman, terrorising people, with a mere 125 convictions to his name. Plenty like him out and about our fair isle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/robbie-lawlor-profile-a-feared-criminal-with-a-long-list-of-enemies-1.4221529
It was 2 lads from Moneymore and one from Rathmullen that carried out that murder.
As for our own country look at what happened in Carrigaline last night. A teenager was stabbed multiple times in the face because he got cheeky with a gang of lads who asked him for 2 euro. The screen shots from facebook groups that go along with the videos are disturbing as well.
#blackguysbatter
#whiteguysscatter
1: different races, classes, religions, and cultures don't gel. never have, never will.
2: 90% of racial violence has never been quite real, but it serves an emotional purpose and resonates in the mind for decades after.
3: it's all designed to get humans to look horizontally for evil, rather than above or below.
4: even in the best of circumstance we can all be violent irrational cunts, so there's no moralising to be done really.
5: it's probably for the best that we're kept here in a snowglobe stuck precisely between good and bad.
Quote from: mickO))) on June 07, 2020, 07:33:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 07, 2020, 11:03:07 AM
Whatever about the States, we could do with locking lads up in our country a bit more. This chap who cut the young lad up in Drogheda and left him in a bin in Dublin was a hitman, terrorising people, with a mere 125 convictions to his name. Plenty like him out and about our fair isle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/robbie-lawlor-profile-a-feared-criminal-with-a-long-list-of-enemies-1.4221529
It was 2 lads from Moneymore and one from Rathmullen that carried out that murder.
As for our own country look at what happened in Carrigaline last night. A teenager was stabbed multiple times in the face because he got cheeky with a gang of lads who asked him for 2 euro. The screen shots from facebook groups that go along with the videos are disturbing as well.
there's a 26 page MMA thread right below this thread. knives, knees, blood for entertainment, stabbings for fun.
Quote from: mugz on June 07, 2020, 07:54:49 PM
1: different races, classes, religions, and cultures don't gel. never have, never will.
2: 90% of racial violence has never been quite real, but it serves an emotional purpose and resonates in the mind for decades after.
3: it's all designed to get humans to look horizontally for evil, rather than above or below.
4: even in the best of circumstance we can all be violent irrational cunts, so there's no moralising to be done really.
5: it's probably for the best that we're kept here in a snowglobe stuck precisely between good and bad.
Wow, Hallmark really do have a card for every occasion!
Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 07, 2020, 07:54:49 PM
1: different races, classes, religions, and cultures don't gel. never have, never will.
2: 90% of racial violence has never been quite real, but it serves an emotional purpose and resonates in the mind for decades after.
3: it's all designed to get humans to look horizontally for evil, rather than above or below.
4: even in the best of circumstance we can all be violent irrational cunts, so there's no moralising to be done really.
5: it's probably for the best that we're kept here in a snowglobe stuck precisely between good and bad.
Wow, Hallmark really do have a card for every occasion!
:laugh: :laugh:
I just saw this BBC headline.
"27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London"
WHAT??? Talk about putting a spin on in it.
I'd have written Hallmark does
but I'll let you away with it this time.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 07, 2020, 09:24:53 PM
I just saw this BBC headline.
"27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London"
WHAT??? Talk about putting a spin on in it.
Commissioner Anabell Brumford:
I would like now to introduce a most distinguished gentleman. This week he is being honored for his one 1000th drug dealer killed. Ladies and gentleman please welcome Lt. Frank Drebin of Police Squad.
Lt. Frank Drebin:
In all honesty the last two I backed over with my car. Luckily they turned out to be drug dealers.
Quote from: mugz on June 07, 2020, 09:29:08 PM
I'd have written Hallmark does
but I'll let you away with it this time.
Honestly I would have too but I don't have the italics in quick reply
Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2020, 11:05:10 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 07, 2020, 09:29:08 PM
I'd have written Hallmark does
but I'll let you away with it this time.
Honestly I would have too but I don't have the italics in quick reply
Corporation literally means bodily extension or extension of
a body. if you speak 4 European languages, studied Latin, and are aiming to earn a doctorate in a hybrid research area between humanities and sciences, you're setting yourself up to be held to very high standards.
I can barely dress myself in the morning, so, correspondingly, no such standards are needed for the grumpy nitpicking shite I post.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 07, 2020, 09:24:53 PM
I just saw this BBC headline.
"27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London"
WHAT??? Talk about putting a spin on in it.
From what I have seen a lot of those protests were anything but peaceful. Throwing fireworks and bicycles at police horses doesn't exactly scream peace to me.
Quote from: mugz on June 07, 2020, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2020, 11:05:10 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 07, 2020, 09:29:08 PM
I'd have written Hallmark does
but I'll let you away with it this time.
Honestly I would have too but I don't have the italics in quick reply
Corporation literally means bodily extension or extension of a body. if you speak 4 European languages, studied Latin, and are aiming to earn a doctorate in a hybrid research area between humanities and sciences, you're setting yourself up to be held to very high standards.
I can barely dress myself in the morning, so, correspondingly, no such standards are needed for the grumpy nitpicking shite I post.
Nah it's okay, you can still have a worthwhile contribution to make without all of those credentials. And you can still be every bit as likely to struggle with changing somebodies' core beliefs as the next fella or girl or cross between them or entity-beyond-human-conventions. It is all dependent on how one identifies oneself.
I only get motivated to say something when it looks like ordinary people are being harmed by ideas and memes and practices that have been weaponised.
On the other hand I have no idea if any real people exist or if I exist, but still, I'll try to contribute something in bad times. I don't really care about much any more, but how we cope with technology is one topic where I really believe everything I've posted.
Can you put a genie back in a bottle? Actually I think you can, and sometimes you should.
Minneapolis abolishing their police force. Wow. What does this actually mean, I wonder. It seems like such a knee jerk and hopeless response to a breakdown in law and order (both within and without the system itself). Is this the beginning of the civil war America has been teetering towards?
I sounds interesting to me anyway:
https://time.com/5848705/disband-and-replace-minneapolis-police/
"We had already pushed for pilot programs to dispatch county mental health professionals to mental health calls, and fire department EMTs to opioid overdose calls, without police officers. We have similarly experimented with unarmed, community-oriented street teams on weekend nights downtown to focus on de-escalation. We could similarly turn traffic enforcement over to cameras and, potentially, our parking enforcement staff, rather than our police department.
We can reimagine what public safety means, what skills we recruit for, and what tools we do and do not need. We can play a role in combating the systems of white supremacy in public safety that the death of black and brown lives has laid bare. We can invest in cultural competency and mental health training, de-escalation and conflict resolution. We can send a city response that that is appropriate to each situation and makes it better. We can resolve confusion over a $20 grocery transaction without drawing a weapon or pulling out handcuffs."
Apparently they did something similar in Camden, NJ that seems to have been successful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_County_Police_Department
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/
It's hard to know if they actually sacked the whole of the original force or how the transition in 2013 worked.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 12:17:12 PM
Minneapolis abolishing their police force. Wow. What does this actually mean, I wonder. It seems like such a knee jerk and hopeless response to a breakdown in law and order (both within and without the system itself). Is this the beginning of the civil war America has been teetering towards?
Confused myself by that one. If you replace every one of them you'll end up with a newbie police force that is completely inept. People would do well to remember that there is only a percentage of them who are lunatics. Wouldn't be surprised to see a police strike in at least one state.
I think they need to do something, and perhaps having various teams of armed and unarmed cops to deal with various situations is not such a bad idea. But yes, will there be a police vacuum until they retrain new people, will jobs be lost and have to be reapplied for and what happens in the interim? It seems like a huge task. If Trump jumps in with reserves or martial law, all fucking Hell could (continue to!) break loose. I don't really know what to make of it but it will be interesting to hear the various different commentators du jour's take on things.
The type of reform that is being asked for would take a decade at least. Someone once said that by the time you are in a standoff with the Police it's too late. In order to properly reduce this kind of incident you also need to look at education, parenting, culture, poverty and a whole bunch of other things. The police are the last line in a fucked system.
I hadn't heard that but have a look at the video here from Minneapolis: https://mobile.twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1269637740024471552?s=21
Absolute lunacy.
People murdered, countless people in comas, attacks, stabbings, I've seen videos of gangs of grown beating down tiny old women trying to keep them out of their little corner stores. Anyone who believes that it's acceptable, I'm sorry, there's something seriously wrong with them. Police violence is wrong, it needs to be fixed, but what has gone on as a result is beyond the pale.
How the fuck can you stop this kind of evil without a police force? Talking? People are living in the clouds if they believe violence, real deadly violence doesn't exist. Imagine that was your mother or sister taking a beating like that? And they want to get rid of guns? Never happening, not while this kind of thing is allowed to run free.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2183212/Video-Horrific-moment-business-owners-couple-attacked-looters.html
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
I hadn't heard that but have a look at the video here from Minneapolis: https://mobile.twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1269637740024471552?s=21
Absolute lunacy.
Like something out of Mad Max or Robocop!
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
How the fuck can you stop this kind of evil without a police force? Talking? People are living in the clouds if they believe violence, real deadly violence doesn't exist. Imagine that was your mother or sister taking a beating like that? And they want to get rid of guns? Never happening, not while this kind of thing is allowed to run free.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2183212/Video-Horrific-moment-business-owners-couple-attacked-looters.html
I received that video along with a number of others over the last week. As bad as this one is the other videos were a lot worse.
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 02:22:08 PM
The type of reform that is being asked for would take a decade at least. Someone once said that by the time you are in a standoff with the Police it's too late. In order to properly reduce this kind of incident you also need to look at education, parenting, culture, poverty and a whole bunch of other things. The police are the last line in a fucked system.
I guess they can be done in tandem.
Seems to be some precedent set by Camden, NJ. Lot of articles about it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department
https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2020/06/08/camden-nj-protest-a-blighted-city-becoming-a-beacon-of-police-reform/3139353001/
I think the councillors in Minneapolis are looking toward something like that. Although the jury is still out, it seems like some of the ideas are worth embracing.
Reading it a lot of it sounds kind of logical. Far from straightforward though I imagine!
It will be poorer inner city neighbourhoods that will suffer most from a reduced police force. The idea is quite absurd. I get that a lot of anarchist type movements are sticking their noses into the whole lot. You'll see a lot of police resigning over this. That will be bad.
Quote from: pete on June 08, 2020, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 02:22:08 PM
The type of reform that is being asked for would take a decade at least. Someone once said that by the time you are in a standoff with the Police it's too late. In order to properly reduce this kind of incident you also need to look at education, parenting, culture, poverty and a whole bunch of other things. The police are the last line in a fucked system.
I guess they can be done in tandem.
Seems to be some precedent set by Camden, NJ. Lot of articles about it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department
https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2020/06/08/camden-nj-protest-a-blighted-city-becoming-a-beacon-of-police-reform/3139353001/
I think the councillors in Minneapolis are looking toward something like that. Although the jury is still out, it seems like some of the ideas are worth embracing.
Reading it a lot of it sounds kind of logical. Far from straightforward though I imagine!
Aye there was a big article in the Sunday Times about how Camden, New Jersey 're invented their police force. They renamed it, cut the deadwood in the change. Way more community policing with a friendly approach. Cut murders from around 60 a year to 3 it was last year.
Thing is it's not fucking rocket science. It just needs competent leaders to implement change with buy in from the community.
"Camden had 25 homicides last year, an increase from 22 the year before but an improvement compared with the record of 67 in 2012. Overall, violent crime in the city dropped 3%, with 1,161 incidents in 2019 compared with 1,197 in 2018." Not exactly sounding like paradise. Considering it has a lower population than Waterford County.
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 03:01:29 PM
"Camden had 25 homicides last year, an increase from 22 the year before but an improvement compared with the record of 67 in 2012. Overall, violent crime in the city dropped 3%, with 1,161 incidents in 2019 compared with 1,197 in 2018." Not exactly sounding like paradise. Considering it has a lower population than Waterford County.
Ha no, I think a paradise anywhere is a while off! (maybe Waterford is to some! :) ) But moving in the right direction.
What is interesting about all of this is what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't.
If we recall a few months ago the Extinction Rebellion kicked off and it was interesting to see in the media that there was a general anti feeling against the rebellion. Yes, there was support, but I would say a lot of coverage focussed on the disruption element, the poor working man just trying to get to work, upper class toffs disrupting our lives. I personally wasn't a fan but that's really neither here nor there.
Then we get the Coronavirus. The whole flow was for lockdown, compliance, banding together and anyone who wasn't in line with that was basically a pariah. Anyone who felt their personal freedoms were being infringed on, didn't believe they should be forced to wear a mask blah blah blah.
Then we get a cop killing a black man in Minneapolis. I'd say most people here wouldn't know where the fuck Minneapolis is on a map. Suddenly, coronavirus and everything we've neen sitting on our arses trying to avoid over the past 2 months is thrown out the window and we get mass marches all across Europe, over a case we know nothing about, in a city that probably 1 in 10,000 Europeans has ever been in. We were arresting people a few weeks ago for walking outside but then the next big drama kicks in and to hell with all of that and we're out in the streets, pulikng shit to pieces.
Whatever you think about any of the issues is actually secondary here. What is clear is that we are completely manipulated as a society. You can throw the Trump obsession into the mix also. Brexit. It's been a bonkers last 12 months for hysteria and hyperbole and yet there is no war being launched, no countries invaded. Is this the new norm? Technology, social media, media, hysteria.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
How the fuck can you stop this kind of evil without a police force? Talking? People are living in the clouds if they believe violence, real deadly violence doesn't exist. Imagine that was your mother or sister taking a beating like that? And they want to get rid of guns? Never happening, not while this kind of thing is allowed to run free.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2183212/Video-Horrific-moment-business-owners-couple-attacked-looters.html
Jesus Christ, that boiled my blood. Absolute scum, cowardly fucking sewer rats. The owners should be well within their rights to defend themselves and their property. The man watching his wife being brutally smashed like that, how many of you wouldn't have shot those lowlifes dead if you were in his shoes?
Quote from: pete on June 08, 2020, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 03:01:29 PM
"Camden had 25 homicides last year, an increase from 22 the year before but an improvement compared with the record of 67 in 2012. Overall, violent crime in the city dropped 3%, with 1,161 incidents in 2019 compared with 1,197 in 2018." Not exactly sounding like paradise. Considering it has a lower population than Waterford County.
Ha no, I think a paradise anywhere is a while off! (maybe Waterford is to some! :) ) But moving in the right direction.
Not too impressed by the 3% drop. Pedrito, after talking about corona since March it's hard not to get distracted by literally anything else.
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: pete on June 08, 2020, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 03:01:29 PM
"Camden had 25 homicides last year, an increase from 22 the year before but an improvement compared with the record of 67 in 2012. Overall, violent crime in the city dropped 3%, with 1,161 incidents in 2019 compared with 1,197 in 2018." Not exactly sounding like paradise. Considering it has a lower population than Waterford County.
Ha no, I think a paradise anywhere is a while off! (maybe Waterford is to some! :) ) But moving in the right direction.
Not too impressed by the 3% drop. Pedrito, after talking about corona since March it's hard not to get distracted by literally anything else.
I presume you got your quote form: https://www.inquirer.com/news/camden-crime-statistics-year-end-20200103.html
The next line is: Compared with 2012, violent crime was down 42% last year, according to data provided Friday by the Camden County Police Department.
Which was when the reform started.
Welcome to 1984 comrades.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8398095/amp/BBC-blasted-Black-Lives-Matter-protests-largely-peaceful-headline-despite-27-officers-injured.html
"In 2012, Camden set a new record by tallying 69 homicides, making for one of the highest murder rates ever recorded in an American city." That was a record year from what I've read. It still gets a listing in most violent cities in America. If they try that all over and it works, I will eat my hat.
Hard to uphold any perception of fairness when it can get warped quite quickly in a digital world full of examples to point at and argue for/against across the whole spectrum of thought.
No point comparing any two individual years; if the scheme has been running 8 years, then take the average from the 8 years previous and the average in the 8 years since the scheme and compare that. Any other comparison, in favour or against, is fairly meaningless, especially if the place has a relatively small population.
From what little I read (never heard of that hovel before) the murder rate fluctuates wildly. 44 murders in 2016 and 23 in 2017. The only thing I can conclude is the place is an absolute shithole. Population size is comparable to Tallaght. Don't really plan to look into it anymore than to say that I'm not convinced renaming the police and adding community officers did any good whatsoever.
Is there anything to be said for another mass?
Lads the wild spin being put on this shit by the media on all sides is frightening. We really have reached a new level of ridiculous, where it seems if one is not explicitly for something, then one must be against it. Whatever happened to being ambivalent about things? Even simple disinterest doesn't seem to cut it anymore. Coming from the other thread about trans for example, JK Rowling says something, someone I've never heard of gets their unisex genital covering in a twist, I don't give a fuck one way or the other as it doesn't concern me in the slightest but yet if I see media coverage on it, it is made out to be some sort of headline worthy shit that we all need to care about. We don't though. Even say if one were to be trans in this country, sure grand best of luck and learn to ignore the online shit and most people will come out of the dark ages and learn to live and let live over time.
Same with the BLM protests over here. Yes all the marchers are sympathetic and grand and all, but where are they when it comes to things like marching for health service reform or fairer taxation or marching to make the government take the fucking Apple money so we won't have to suffer the billions that the pandemic has cost us? I'll tell you where they are, sitting at home looking at what is going on in the US because that is where the media would like us all to be focused for one reason or another.
Take the situation here where I live, the young lad is out kicking a ball on the green with 2 white irish lads a black irish lad a syrian lad and 2 polish boys. All they need to do is walk into a bar and the jokes will write themselves, but the main point is none of them lads give a flying fuck what religion or colour or what nationality the other fellas are. The main point is that they are there, so lets kick a ball.
If this shite is allowed to spill out onto our streets via the media, (who live for advertising money and find the best way to do that is by polarising people) suddenly we will find young lads like these who are currently immune to racism out there finding reasons to be divided beyond what team they support. Like if the young fella ends up scrapping one of the lads out there, the polish lad or the black lad, is that racial violence or young lads scrapping as they often do? If the black lad hits the young lad a box is it because he is racist or because the young lad has a big mouth? We all need to cop the fuck on buying into the idea of racism being behind everything now and stop trying to drag ourselves back into the 1950s.
Like say somebody is not on twitter so they never read any of the dumb shit that is said on there, why can't the likes of the journal just fucking leave it on twitter for those who are on there instead of trying to fan the flames in their own comments section by reporting it? I'll tell you why.. advertising revenue. Again. Ugh
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 04:42:13 PM
From what little I read (never heard of that hovel before) the murder rate fluctuates wildly. 44 murders in 2016 and 23 in 2017. The only thing I can conclude is the place is an absolute shithole. Population size is comparable to Tallaght. Don't really plan to look into it anymore than to say that I'm not convinced renaming the police and adding community officers did any good whatsoever.
Loads of "Check out this neighbourhood before you move there" type sites have the stats up until 2012. Crime rate averages out at about 6000 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants per year from 2000-2012. Huge. This website here has the annual sites for 2010 - 2019:
https://www.tapinto.net/towns/camden/sections/law-and-justice/articles/camden-sees-crime-drop-over-past-decade
Average over the last 7 years (noting that the total has declined each year since the beginning, most specific categories too, but not all...murder bounces around slightly) is ~4,100. But to be honest what they did doesn't sound like what Minnesota is proposing, or if it is, then "disbanding the police" is a total misnomer.
They put more cops on the street and away from desk duties. And went into communities in a friendly way. Christ must have took a long time to come up with that one.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2020, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 04:42:13 PM
From what little I read (never heard of that hovel before) the murder rate fluctuates wildly. 44 murders in 2016 and 23 in 2017. The only thing I can conclude is the place is an absolute shithole. Population size is comparable to Tallaght. Don't really plan to look into it anymore than to say that I'm not convinced renaming the police and adding community officers did any good whatsoever.
Loads of "Check out this neighbourhood before you move there" type sites have the stats up until 2012. Crime rate averages out at about 6000 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants per year from 2000-2012. Huge. This website here has the annual sites for 2010 - 2019:
https://www.tapinto.net/towns/camden/sections/law-and-justice/articles/camden-sees-crime-drop-over-past-decade
Average over the last 7 years (noting that the total has declined each year since the beginning, most specific categories too, but not all...murder bounces around slightly) is ~4,100. But to be honest what they did doesn't sound like what Minnesota is proposing, or if it is, then "disbanding the police" is a total misnomer.
Disbanded and recreated.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/veto-proof-majority-of-minneapolis-city-council-members-plan-on-disbanding-police-department/
"Every member of the Minneapolis City Council has now expressed the need for dramatic structural change. I am one of many on the Council, including the Council President and the Chair of Public Safety, who are publicly supporting the call to disband our police department and start fresh with a community-oriented, non-violent public safety and outreach capacity."
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
How the fuck can you stop this kind of evil without a police force? Talking? People are living in the clouds if they believe violence, real deadly violence doesn't exist. Imagine that was your mother or sister taking a beating like that? And they want to get rid of guns? Never happening, not while this kind of thing is allowed to run free.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2183212/Video-Horrific-moment-business-owners-couple-attacked-looters.html
This may seem a trite question, but where were the police? Presumably, rather than patrolling the areas where people live and have their local, small businesses, making sure criminals know that there is a police presence and won't risk nasty shit like this, they were all packed together taking care of what the government care much more about than the personal safety of its citizens: civil unrest with a view to deep reform. That takes priority, and in seeing to that priority, inevitably they end up casting themselves in bad light by being indiscriminately heavy-handed with a crowd. I don't deny that real deadly violence exists. I would deny that in many places, the US notably, absolutely the wrong approach is taken to preventing it and/or dealing with it when it happens. As Ollkiller just said, a much better approach really is a bit of a "no shit Sherlock."
The US is one thing. The police in the UK should be cracking heads open right now. Throwing shit at the MET police in London has nothing to do with a lad getting murdered in the US.
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 06:36:34 PM
The US is one thing. The police in the UK should be cracking heads open right now. Throwing shit at the MET police in London has nothing to do with a lad getting murdered in the US.
I'm only just catching up on this news now. Look at this shit from the Daily Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8397019/Police-injured-missiles-London-Black-Lives-Matter-rally.html
QuoteDo you know the protesters who damaged the Colston statue or defaced the Churchill plinth? Email tips@dailymail.com
Haha! Not, "Do you know a protester who injured a police man?" mind you! What a wonderful, wonderful little rag the Daily Mail is.
Apologies for using an outright right wing site, but Twitter is having awful technical problems playing videos that worked this morning.
https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/282/897/original/5715e3835407cc5b.mp4?1591606734 (https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/282/897/original/5715e3835407cc5b.mp4?1591606734)
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 06:57:54 PM
Apologies for using an outright right wing site, but Twitter is having awful technical problems playing videos that worked this morning.
https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/282/897/original/5715e3835407cc5b.mp4?1591606734 (https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/282/897/original/5715e3835407cc5b.mp4?1591606734)
I wasn't having a go about the link; video is video. Just found it fairly, well, stereotypical of the Daily Mail to be appealing for information in the defense of, essentially, pure jingoism rather than any concern about other human beings (yes, I believe the police are human) and their welfare.
I was just getting back to my point of the desperate need to start beating on the British rioters. The US too for that matter.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 05:32:58 PM
Is there anything to be said for another mass?
Lads the wild spin being put on this shit by the media on all sides is frightening. We really have reached a new level of ridiculous, where it seems if one is not explicitly for something, then one must be against it. Whatever happened to being ambivalent about things? Even simple disinterest doesn't seem to cut it anymore. Coming from the other thread about trans for example, JK Rowling says something, someone I've never heard of gets their unisex genital covering in a twist, I don't give a fuck one way or the other as it doesn't concern me in the slightest but yet if I see media coverage on it, it is made out to be some sort of headline worthy shit that we all need to care about. We don't though. Even say if one were to be trans in this country, sure grand best of luck and learn to ignore the online shit and most people will come out of the dark ages and learn to live and let live over time.
Same with the BLM protests over here. Yes all the marchers are sympathetic and grand and all, but where are they when it comes to things like marching for health service reform or fairer taxation or marching to make the government take the fucking Apple money so we won't have to suffer the billions that the pandemic has cost us? I'll tell you where they are, sitting at home looking at what is going on in the US because that is where the media would like us all to be focused for one reason or another.
Take the situation here where I live, the young lad is out kicking a ball on the green with 2 white irish lads a black irish lad a syrian lad and 2 polish boys. All they need to do is walk into a bar and the jokes will write themselves, but the main point is none of them lads give a flying fuck what religion or colour or what nationality the other fellas are. The main point is that they are there, so lets kick a ball.
If this shite is allowed to spill out onto our streets via the media, (who live for advertising money and find the best way to do that is by polarising people) suddenly we will find young lads like these who are currently immune to racism out there finding reasons to be divided beyond what team they support. Like if the young fella ends up scrapping one of the lads out there, the polish lad or the black lad, is that racial violence or young lads scrapping as they often do? If the black lad hits the young lad a box is it because he is racist or because the young lad has a big mouth? We all need to cop the fuck on buying into the idea of racism being behind everything now and stop trying to drag ourselves back into the 1950s.
Like say somebody is not on twitter so they never read any of the dumb shit that is said on there, why can't the likes of the journal just fucking leave it on twitter for those who are on there instead of trying to fan the flames in their own comments section by reporting it? I'll tell you why.. advertising revenue. Again. Ugh
jk rowling is trans, that's what the robert galbraith thing was about.
jk rowling, jkr owling, geddit?
The Daily Mail is often a silly, screeching paper, but at least it's not pretending to be anything it isn't, unlike your favourite nausea inducing 'news'paper.
But anyways.
The police running away from protesters in the UK, standing around letting some antifa prick try to torch the flag (that's jail in Germany or the US), and allowing that other 'activist' to escape after vandalising the Churchill statue. Baton charge of doom!
And this statue business in Bristol, vandalism, pure and simple. I seen they had a lad kneeling on the neck of the statue for 8 minutes. Great. Is racism over now? There is no police brutality issue in the UK, and that Coulston built half of Bristol, he wasn't just a slave dealer. But sher look, gotta virtue signal somehow.
He built buildings so the auld trading of human lives for slavery is okay. Gotta spout conservative nonsense somehow.
Yeah it's jail in Germany or the US... just as well they knew they weren't in Germany or the US, now wasn't it?
You know you can protest something without having to be from the same country, right? There's global protests and displays of solidarity going on because people feel that police brutality and what looks like racially motivated murder is bad regardless of what piece of rock and dirt you originate from.
Just because the Daily Mail wears its shit on its sleeve for all to see doesn't make it okay. What's that supposed to be a counterpoint to exactly?
Quote from: Ducky on June 08, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
You know you can protest something without having to be from the same country, right? There's global protests and displays of solidarity going on because people feel that police brutality and what looks like racially motivated murder is bad regardless of what piece of rock and dirt you originate from.
Protests are fine. Nobody had any complaints about the Irish ones. Fucking things at the cops, smashing up the area and endangering innocent protestors makes you a cunt, not a protestor.
Quote from: Ducky on June 08, 2020, 08:04:47 PM
Just because the Daily Mail wears its shit on its sleeve for all to see doesn't make it okay. What's that supposed to be a counterpoint to exactly?
The Guardian
We must give the man his due, surely? Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were slave owners, traded in them. Should they be held to the same standard? Coulston lived in the 17th century, and he was involved in a trade that wasn't considered in the same terms then as now. If it's that much of an affront, get a petition. You can't just fuck it in the sea because YOU don't like it. And then the chicken shit police decide not to intervene.
Yeah brilliant. It is great. Burning your own flag because somebody was killed by the police in another country, 4000 miles away? Class.
Oh ya, it looks racially motivated, therefore it is. The victim is high profile and it looks good on Instagram to be washing black peoples feet and taking a knee and whatever other preposterous virtue signalling is going on. Protest away, it's a fundamental right. But acting the absolute cunt which many of these people are? Fuck off, they believe in nothing.
Everyone saw the video, it was murder. He's been charged. Various states are proposing drastic, revolutionary changes to how they police the gaff. What do you want?
Another knee, please.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 08:43:44 PM
Another knee, please.
If we can make Kev kneel on both knees will all this stop?
a few more followers on Instagram
Ha, this auld lad, one of a group of four, a die hard Hearts fan from Edinburgh I met hiking in Scotland last year gave me some amazing sectarian shit every evening in the pub...'are ye no gonnae kneel, ye bead twirlin' bastard'?
🤣🤣
'Whets yer name'?
'Caoimhín'?
'Wha'?
'Kevin'
'Pah, pape name'
Got on grand with him :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 08:50:21 PM
Ha, this auld lad, one of a group of four, a die hard Hearts fan from Edinburgh I met hiking in Scotland last year gave me some amazing sectarian shit every evening in the pub...'are ye no gonnae kneel, ye bead twirlin' bastard'?
🤣🤣
'Whets yer name'?
'Caoimhín'?
'Wha'?
'Kevin'
'Pah, pape name'
Got on grand with him :)
That sums up a lot of it to be fair. One of my good mates is a Brit and another is a Belfast Catholic and the three of us get on fantastically well in spite of the Belfast boy calling the Limey a Peeler and I slating the 2 of them for being from the dark ages and the peeler calling us both out for being twats every now and again. We all know we don't mean it and can get on with it. Certain prejudices aren't quite what the media would have us believe. And I think a lot of people here either know that or need to get their heads out of their holes. Sure look at Caoimhin here and the Black Shepherd having at it over left vs right and they probably get on the finest down the pub
Just to throw a spanner in the works, I think fucking the statue in the river is a far better act than kicking in shops etc. Granted, I know fuck all about yer man, apart from him having been a slave trader, but it's a more powerful symbol than flaking off with a TV. I think that's the approach that would have been better in America.
They've pulled down a good few statues in the US, Lee, Stonewall Jackson and the boys. Lee only fought for the Confederates because he was loyal to his state which had happened to secede. Jackson is an icon down there, to some whites at least. Hardly war criminals, but I can see why some blacks might have a problem with them having statues. Still, you can't just vandalise shit you dislike.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 08, 2020, 09:09:34 PM
Just to throw a spanner in the works, I think fucking the statue in the river is a far better act than kicking in shops etc. Granted, I know fuck all about yer man, apart from him having been a slave trader, but it's a more powerful symbol than flaking off with a TV. I think that's the approach that would have been better in America.
Yeah you are bang on with that assertion. There is no excuse for wanton violence and destruction, but if one wants to make a point then that is a more palatable way to do it
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2020, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
How the fuck can you stop this kind of evil without a police force? Talking? People are living in the clouds if they believe violence, real deadly violence doesn't exist. Imagine that was your mother or sister taking a beating like that? And they want to get rid of guns? Never happening, not while this kind of thing is allowed to run free.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2183212/Video-Horrific-moment-business-owners-couple-attacked-looters.html
This may seem a trite question, but where were the police? Presumably, rather than patrolling the areas where people live and have their local, small businesses, making sure criminals know that there is a police presence and won't risk nasty shit like this, they were all packed together taking care of what the government care much more about than the personal safety of its citizens: civil unrest with a view to deep reform. That takes priority, and in seeing to that priority, inevitably they end up casting themselves in bad light by being indiscriminately heavy-handed with a crowd. I don't deny that real deadly violence exists. I would deny that in many places, the US notably, absolutely the wrong approach is taken to preventing it and/or dealing with it when it happens. As Ollkiller just said, a much better approach really is a bit of a "no shit Sherlock."
They were what? They were all packed together yadda yadda..I've read it a few times and it makes no sense. Change to the system is needed, but protecting that little woman from taking a savage beating from a bunch of psychopaths was more than likely impossible because the police were outnumbered and under fire everywhere they went. It would require whole squads of police to respond safely to that incident alone. There were probably another hundred going on at the same moment. Complete chaos.
Just on to the historic oppression thing. At what point does that sentence end? As an Irish person born in 1982 I never experienced the oppression my grandparents did. I don't think I have much of a right to go around looking for sympathy or to act the bollox in London over it. When will the sins of the past be wiped clean? Are we to bully German tourists for the sins of their (great) grandparents?
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 06:57:54 PM
Apologies for using an outright right wing site, but Twitter is having awful technical problems playing videos that worked this morning.
https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/282/897/original/5715e3835407cc5b.mp4?1591606734 (https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/056/282/897/original/5715e3835407cc5b.mp4?1591606734)
Embarrassing, pathetic. Time for the police to go on strike..are they even allowed to? Obvious they're not being protected by their kow towing superiors. Bunch of gangster scumbags running after them like that. Nothing to do with protest and everything to do with being a scumbag.
There is plenty of historical injustice to go around, mountains of it in fact. The Irish nation was ground down to a nub, moulded into the idiot drunken cousin. The highland clearances, the rough wooing, the destruction of European Jewry, the annihilation of Caucasian societies, the firebombing of German civilians, the significantly worse Portuguese treatment of blacks in Brazil than their North American counterparts etc etc. It's just some injustices are more fashionable than others.
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 09:30:26 PM
Just on to the historic oppression thing. At what point does that sentence end? As an Irish person born in 1982 I never experienced the oppression my grandparents did. I don't think I have much of a right to go around looking for sympathy or to act the bollox in London over it. When will the sins of the past be wiped clean? Are we to bully German tourists for the sins of their (great) grandparents?
Ah here man you're making far too much sense. You'll need to have someone come to your house and take care of that kind of thinking.
If the UK were smart they'd take down the really out there statues like the one that was smashed today. They'd do it quietly and find a place for it where it would be of historical value. There's actually a great documentary about all the amazing pieces of art that were taken down so as to protect them from the IRA in the south. Massive statues of lads on horses lying in people's back gardens. I must try and dig it up.
Yeah so my people were disposessed my Cromwell. We had a grand big castle down on the lakes of Killarney and I could probably be sitting there now dying of gout getting my tooth pick pulled off me by the servant girl. But that was hundreds of years ago and it's time to get on with shit. There's been a resurgence in recent years of all this paddywhackery shite that we had worked so hard to overcome..the rugby game in Croker, Good Friday agreement etc etc etc. Pathetic loser mentality way of going on.
Fuck it lads it's the right time for yokes if it ever was
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 09:39:31 PM
There is plenty of historical injustice to go around, mountains of it in fact. The Irish nation was ground down to a nub, moulded into the idiot drunken cousin. The highland clearances, the rough wooing, the destruction of European Jewry, the annihilation of Caucasian societies, the firebombing of German civilians, the significantly worse Portuguese treatment of blacks in Brazil than their North American counterparts etc etc. It's just some injustices are more fashionable than others.
Nobody seems to wonder why half of black Americans have Irish surnames..ah sure we never done nuthing against nobody. Go down to Jamaica you'll find beautiful nubian girls with fine hips on them all with proper Irish Gaelic surnames. The master's name they call it. Yes, some Irish were brought as servants, but plenty were landowners.
Related to that, my Irish tutor at UCC told me that, apparently, black lads say 'you dig'? because when Irish speaking builders would ask them 'an dTuigeann tú'?
'Yeah Mick, we dig it'
He also told me that to 'put the kibosh' on something comes from 'an chaip Bas', the cape of death in Irish.
He might have been full of shit though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 09:39:31 PM
There is plenty of historical injustice to go around, mountains of it in fact. The Irish nation was ground down to a nub, moulded into the idiot drunken cousin. The highland clearances, the rough wooing, the destruction of European Jewry, the annihilation of Caucasian societies, the firebombing of German civilians, the significantly worse Portuguese treatment of blacks in Brazil than their North American counterparts etc etc. It's just some injustices are more fashionable than others.
you don't hear much about all the stuff that went on in scotland over the centuries apart from a couple events that films were made of
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 09:52:57 PM
Related to that, my Irish tutor at UCC told me that, apparently, black lads say 'you dig'? because when Irish speaking builders would ask them 'an dTuigeann tú'?
'Yeah Mick, we dig it'
He also told me that to 'put the kibosh' on something comes from 'an chaip Bas', the cape of death in Irish.
He might have been full of shit though.
Sounds like a spoofer. I thought the Gringo explanation in Mexico was great. To do with traffic lights and white lads roaring at them...Green, go!
You don't, Scottish history is an interest of mine, and far more heroic boys than Wallace or Charles Stuart (himself, half Polish), Scots like James Graham are relatively unknown. Thousands of cotters fucked into coffin ships as horrific as any Irish ones to make room for sheep.
Perhaps not today, but a far more divided country relative to the North and South than Ireland ever was.
I hate the lumping in of all white people in this bizarre white guilt type game. Irish people don't have a significant history of invading other countries. Slave ownership was conducted all over the world for centuries. What am I apologizing for and when should I stop?
Also never understood modern Swedes obsession with it? I'm not much of a history buff by any stretch.
Justin Trudeau being the great guy that he is joined protesters in Ottawa last Friday and took a knee. He did this just a week after announcing that all parliament activities would cease until September because it was just too dangerous with the Coronavirus going around.
So, it's too dangerous for parliament to continue but not too dangerous to join a crowd of hundreds for a photo op.
The funny thing as well is BLM labelled Trudeau a white supremacist many times over the last four years and when he bent down to take a knee he was surrounded by protesters who just shouted abused at him.
They say Colston shipped 100,000 slaves to the Americas, 20,000 of whom ended up at the bottom of the sea en route. So they pushed a statue of him into the water, a statue that didn't go up until 1895. Pretty mild in real terms (20,000 corpses versus a toppled statue), but an effective statement of poetic justice. I presume, like me, you think it was ridiculous awarding Obama a Nobel Peace Prize for whatever kind of supposedly "good" deeds he got up to while waging war and bombing civilians in several countries; similarly, it was totally blind to ever spend money on an homage to this guy for being a "philanthropist." I do wonder at what point some contrarians would say, "Ah yeah, fair enough."
It's no coincidence that people of Puritan or Protestant backgrounds go on with it. They've just found another way to flagellate themselves now that religion has been taken out of the equation. I can't remember who I heard talking about it..the witchhunts, the child saints(Greta), the self hatred, the end of the world talk. It's the same oul spoof but with a new lick of paint on it.
I think ive made about 20 attempts throughout this thread to post my feelings on this and ive ended up deleting them each time
Quote from: mickO))) on June 08, 2020, 10:14:23 PM
Justin Trudeau being the great guy that he is joined protesters in Ottawa last Friday and took a knee. He did this just a week after announcing that all parliament activities would cease until September because it was just too dangerous with the Coronavirus going around.
Justin Trudeau is a special case altogether. I'm finding it hard to think of a bigger assclown on the global political stage. Is there even a close second?
Sweden has basically attempted national suicide and it's the people objecting to the unsustainable immigration being permitted who are vilified.
You can kind of get it with Germany, war guilt still lingers there to an extent. But Sweden? Gustavus Adolphus and the boys stuck their noses in the 30 years war in the 1640's, their power was essentially ended by the Russians the following century. For all intents and purposes, a non-aligned country since.
Douglas Murray gives this kind of thing an interesting analysis in his excellent 'the strange death of Europe'. It's 1984. Two minutes of hate, constant conflict, no contrary opinions will be tolerated. Look how those idebtitarians in Austria are being portrayed as Nazis?
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on June 08, 2020, 10:14:23 PM
Justin Trudeau being the great guy that he is joined protesters in Ottawa last Friday and took a knee. He did this just a week after announcing that all parliament activities would cease until September because it was just too dangerous with the Coronavirus going around.
Justin Trudeau is a special case altogether. I'm finding it hard to think of a bigger assclown on the global political stage. Is there even a close second?
Leo?
Macron is not so much an assclown as an out and out cunt, but he started out looking very similar to those two.
Leo is not even in the same pantheon as that lad. Trudeau is a deity among the other assclowns.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2020, 10:16:41 PM
They say Colston shipped 100,000 slaves to the Americas, 20,000 of whom ended up at the bottom of the sea en route. So they pushed a statue of him into the water, a statue that didn't go up until 1895. Pretty mild in real terms (20,000 corpses versus a toppled statue), but an effective statement of poetic justice. I presume, like me, you think it was ridiculous awarding Obama a Nobel Peace Prize for whatever kind of supposedly "good" deeds he got up to while waging war and bombing civilians in several countries; similarly, it was totally blind to ever spend money on an homage to this guy for being a "philanthropist." I do wonder at what point some contrarians would say, "Ah yeah, fair enough."
I would say fair enough tbh and only because the government or town hall are too thick to have done anything about it. Where does it stop though? And that's what makes me hesitate..just smash it all until nothing of history is left? I'd be for it instinctually but for all our convoluted thinking on some issues, it seems we can't apply it to every issue.
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 10:07:27 PM
I hate the lumping in of all white people in this bizarre white guilt type game. Irish people don't have a significant history of invading other countries. Slave ownership was conducted all over the world for centuries. What am I apologizing for and when should I stop?
Also never understood modern Swedes obsession with it? I'm not much of a history buff by any stretch.
I feel the same.
I don't think I have anything to feel guilty about tbh.
I like to think I'm fairly sound and I don't care what color/race you are. Just because I don't feel the need to fuckin shout it from the rooftops that I'm not a racist doesn't mean I'm not doing anything about it ya know.
Social media has created all this shit.
Like I honestly don't see what putting a black box up on Facebook or whatever is actually going to do apart from make you feel good about yourself and get yourself a pat on the back.
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on June 08, 2020, 10:14:23 PM
Justin Trudeau being the great guy that he is joined protesters in Ottawa last Friday and took a knee. He did this just a week after announcing that all parliament activities would cease until September because it was just too dangerous with the Coronavirus going around.
Justin Trudeau is a special case altogether. I'm finding it hard to think of a bigger assclown on the global political stage. Is there even a close second?
He is in a league of his own. He also asked people not to speak "moistly" on each other during the protests to avoid spreading the virus.
Whether you feel it's poetic justice or not, what kind of a society do you want to live in? Where you and Dr Chomsky and the anarchists just smash up symbols you dislike?
I'm not going to defend the slave trade, it's indefensible . Maybe the statue should come down, but via agreement, not by a bunch of rabid 'protesters' valuing, as Dr Peterson puts it, instinct over reason.
Quote from: blessed1 on June 08, 2020, 10:22:42 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 10:07:27 PM
I hate the lumping in of all white people in this bizarre white guilt type game. Irish people don't have a significant history of invading other countries. Slave ownership was conducted all over the world for centuries. What am I apologizing for and when should I stop?
Also never understood modern Swedes obsession with it? I'm not much of a history buff by any stretch.
I feel the same.
I don't think I have anything to feel guilty about tbh.
I like to think I'm fairly sound and I don't care what color/race you are. Just because I don't feel the need to fuckin shout it from the rooftops that I'm not a racist doesn't mean I'm not doing anything about it ya know.
Social media has created all this shit.
Like I honestly don't see what putting a black box up on Facebook or whatever is actually going to do apart from make you feel good about yourself and get yourself a pat on the back.
The black box is some craic. Lads I know who are sending around all sorts of sketchy stuff on whassap lately and caving under the pressure when their missus blacks out facebook. Herd mentality...yes we're still going on like neanderthals.
In fairness that wouldn't even make the top 50 of dumb shit I've done for the sake of a ride.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 10:25:02 PM
Whether you feel it's poetic justice or not, what kind of a society do you want to live in? Where you and Dr Chomsky and the anarchists just smash up symbols you dislike?
We'd be much better off with leaders who were similar to Chomsky than the likes of Trudeau, Obama, etc.! In fact, if you want high precision take downs of Obama's hypocrisy, Chomsky is about the best go-to man going. Instinct has to come out in places; Peterson knows that from his readings of Jung. Better it come out in directed, symbolic ways with an extremely high potential for emotional discharge (such as the toppling of statues of slave dealers) than on undirected or misdirected chaos.
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 10:25:02 PM
Whether you feel it's poetic justice or not, what kind of a society do you want to live in? Where you and Dr Chomsky and the anarchists just smash up symbols you dislike?
I'm not going to defend the slave trade, it's indefensible . Maybe the statue should come down, but via agreement, not by a bunch of rabid 'protesters' valuing, as Dr Peterson puts it, instinct over reason.
Ya, Pratel came out and said it's not the place of thugs to pull these symbols down, and she's right. But it is a powerful symbol. I also think these statues and reminders of a possibly shameful past shouldn't be destroyed either. They should be museum pieces. It probably looks like I want my cake and eat it too...
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
Exactly. Like I said I don't feel like I have anything to be ashamed or guilty about so I don't feel the need to do any of this stuff. What the fuck is a protest in Ireland going to do anyhow?!
Got in before me with the Leo. Ah well..
Surely the time has come for the ceremonial taking of yokes to end all future disagreements between everyone?
It's no wonder the taking of yokes is illegal, as if it was given to the world leaders at every meeting or summit it would sort too many things out too quickly and it would fuck up the whole system of exploiting people for money, (which isn't even real in itself as it happens) and we can all be assured that the whole lot of this shite has money at the root of it just like everything else does. Why is money the root of it all? Because money gives power to those who can attain it, (money) and since the beginning of known time some cunt has always wanted power. We are all pretty much pawns in the dirty game of Follow-The-Money. Actually no we aren't because pawns are actually useful in chess and we are all powerless to have any influence over even the smallest part of The Game.
I got a warning that I missed 10 replies in the meantime. You wouldn't get that in a Metallica thread......
Vandalising a Churchill statue while living in the UK was pretty lame. I've said this to an Irish lad living in London who hates Brits before (a few of you at least know him). If you hate it that much then leave.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
This
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
This
Does the black crowd appreciate the solidarity or do they think, what are these fuckin idiots doing here?
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
This
Put more succinctly than I could do, but yeah to this.
Take the proverbial yoke for all sides.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
This
Aw man, if you cringed at the prostrating, this is going to have you shrivel up til you're nothing but a pile of limp foreskin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dRYlEwkY0
I think they feel like the Muslims watching feminists march around in hijabs out of solidarity. They couldn't possibly take it seriously, arse lick virtue signalling, and it's absolutely nauseating.
Weakness invites aggression, and unless there is a very heavy response to this, it'll just get worse. I've seen so many videos of extreme violence, looting, etc. Where the fuck is the tear gas?
Thanks Shepherd. A part of me died watching that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
This
Aw man, if you cringed at the prostrating, this is going to have you shrivel up til you're nothing but a pile of limp foreskin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dRYlEwkY0
Where's the napalm when you need it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen so many videos of extreme violence, looting, etc. Where the fuck is the tear gas?
Summing up the videos coming from the liberals and the conservatives, the tear gas and brute force is being used on the peaceful protestors while the violent opportunists are free to run riot terrorizing the neighbourhoods. There's little to no narrative in between, so...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
This
Aw man, if you cringed at the prostrating, this is going to have you shrivel up til you're nothing but a pile of limp foreskin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dRYlEwkY0
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And we wonder how David Koresh and Scientology can take root in that country? Absolute lunatics. I'm shrivelling like a pile of post op transgender foreskins.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 10:55:30 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And we wonder how David Koresh and Scientology can take root in that country? Absolute lunatics. I'm shrivelling like a pile of post op transgender foreskins.
Haha, yeah, I was thinking of Jonestown and Koresh too while watching it!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
This
Aw man, if you cringed at the prostrating, this is going to have you shrivel up til you're nothing but a pile of limp foreskin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dRYlEwkY0
I saw that earlier. The Scottish Covenanters from the 17th century come to mind. Kneel at the altar of the true faith!
Doubt they'd have had much time for the black lads, mind you.
Back to London. Have you ever seen a full blown riot end because of police kindness? Pepper spray, rubber bullets, water cannons. These are whats used to end a riot. Have a look at every Irish riot on YouTube and notice the Gardai aren't cuddling anyone. I think Johnson should give the police a free hand at roughing up anyone who tries to assault them. Not that he seems bewildered and is probably just glad to get his name out of the paper for a few days.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 08, 2020, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 08, 2020, 10:31:24 PM
White muppets prostrating themselves in front of BLM activists to absolve them of their white guilt. I fucking cringe. I really do. Who, black or white or from the dark side of the moon, finds any sort of nobility or credibility in this kind of meaningless- truly truly meaningless- virtue signalling? I can't buy into this fake white guilt horse shite on any level, and neither should anyone else. It's just a form of twisted narcissism and does nothing but undermine real concerns. The farce of it is so utterly embarrassing.
This
Aw man, if you cringed at the prostrating, this is going to have you shrivel up til you're nothing but a pile of limp foreskin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dRYlEwkY0
What the fuck haha.
That is horrendous.
I was actually just thinking wouldn't it be great if pages about music in the main discussion page got this much discussion 😁
Music doesn't arouse the base desires like oneupmanship over politics and current affairs.
When Lamb Of God start a posers rights rally it will happen.
Or antifa trying to get Marduk shows cancelled because they sing about WW2.
They have done
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 11:08:12 PM
Or antifa trying to get Marduk shows cancelled because they sing about WW2.
Was that not because the band was known for buying nazi memorabilia?
I could be wrong but thought that's why they were at that shit.
Didn't they do something similar wih taake?
They were bullshitting. All their accusations were hysterical and not researched. It's Antifa though, what do you expect from a pig but a grunt?
https://www.metalblast.net/blog/the-blm-boycott-marduk/
I'm actually on a pretty good Facebook group for horror books and the posts are generally all about books and no politics bullshit but recently a few ppl have started threads saying they don't like lovecraft because he was a racist.
Im of the same view as the slave trader stuff.
It was of its time and was the norm back then.
Doesn't make it right but sure they will probably be saying the same thing about us regards transgenderism in years to come.
It's of its time.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 11:13:37 PM
They were bullshitting. All their accusations were hysterical and not researched. It's Antifa though, what do you expect from a pig but a grunt?
https://www.metalblast.net/blog/the-blm-boycott-marduk/
Ah cool antifa are a pack of cunts anyhow imo
The evidence of which was an allegedly unverifiable "leaked" excel document from the site selling the alleged merchandise. This was when the little scumbags also had a hop of Watain and Taake.
Lovecraft was a bit of a Nazi in fairness.
Your mickey won't be limp if you take the yoke. Seriously, who here is actually racist?
But yet here we are arguing about the race issues in the US, imagined or real....
Anyone here feel racist? I don't like the local knackers. Am I racist then? The answer has to be yes. Have I taken The Yoke with knackers? Yes, so maybe I'm not as racially motivated as I thought.
And still they won't stop the robbing. Every time I buy something off them it's gack. Every time they come into where I work something goes missing. Every time they hand me a 100 euro note I wonder how come they are the only fuckers who have them. Every time they sell me a grand set of kitchen knives for 1/20th of the proper price I wonder how can I get on to their supplier. Every time I wonder why 2 grams of weed costs 50 euro I blame them. Every time I go to the car boot sale I see them selling robbed tools for knockdown prices. I wonder how a traveller family would feel if I, as a settled fella was to take up with one of their women? I must be a racist. Either that or I have eyes to see and ears to hear, and they are using their new found minority status to rip the absolute piss out of all of us fucking eejits who wanted to see them treated fairly?
Just because some crowd is in the minority it doesn't make them infallible. A cunt is still a cunt by any other name. We can only imagine the views on this in the US, but no, they are oppressed even when they are acting the cunt seems to be the consensus and we shall all be sorry for the historic shit that we had fuck all to do with.
Yeah.
I'm getting the impression you bought 50 yokes on a whim and you need to shift them ASAP before the wife unrolls the wrong pair of socks!
My kids mother is Polish, and her mother is virulently anti-Semitic, it's comical how much she hates them. She can't explain why.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:17:25 PM
Your mickey won't be limp if you take the yoke.
Im sorry to tell you but it actually will.
Quote from: blessed1 on June 08, 2020, 11:20:30 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:17:25 PM
Your mickey won't be limp if you take the yoke.
Im sorry to tell you but it actually will.
Hard luck man, it can happen to the best of us. Sure even Pele had to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune..
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 11:19:51 PM
I'm getting the impression you bought 50 yokes on a whim and you need to shift them ASAP before the wife unrolls the wrong pair of socks!
Pure bang of that off him tonight alright :laugh:
:laugh: Mad bastard. Are you starting a love yokes march soon?
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 11:15:36 PM
The evidence of which was an allegedly unverifiable "leaked" excel document from the site selling the alleged merchandise. This was when the little scumbags also had a hop of Watain and Taake.
They protested a Nunslaughter gig in France about 12 years ago as well as a Vassafor / Blood tyrant / Kill gig in Berlin back 2010.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 08, 2020, 11:19:51 PM
I'm getting the impression you bought 50 yokes on a whim and you need to shift them ASAP before the wife unrolls the wrong pair of socks!
My kids mother is Polish, and her mother is virulently anti-Semitic, it's comical how much she hates them. She can't explain why.
If I had 50 yokes I would take them. One at a time though.
On a serious note, do you reckon anyone in this thread will admit to being a racist other than me? Is it a crazy idea to think that if the knackers change their ways that I will change my opinion of them? Everyone always has the (public) opinion that none of us are prejudiced and whatnot, but lets pick on something that most of us Irish lads actually have experience of. Would any lads here take the knee for the knackers?
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 11:23:46 PM
:laugh: Mad bastard. Are you starting a love yokes march soon?
Now there's something I can get behind!
I had a great idea to start up a thing called valium boxing before.
2 lads. A load of valium then send them out thumping the heads of each other!
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:30:28 PM
On a serious note, do you reckon anyone in this thread will admit to being a racist other than me? Is it a crazy idea to think that if the knackers change their ways that I will change my opinion of them? Everyone always has the (public) opinion that none of us are prejudiced and whatnot, but lets pick on something that most of us Irish lads actually have experience of. Would any lads here take the knee for the knackers?
I worked in pubs from my early teens to mid 20's. No great love for them at all. The question of how they constitute a race I won't go into. I've had things nicked, been threatened, had an ashtray thrown at me, cleaned up a smashed up bar and nearly got hit by a flying ashtray once. No love here at all.
Dole day morning fever would surely have to be the title of that classic bout
double post
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:30:28 PM
On a serious note, do you reckon anyone in this thread will admit to being a racist other than me? Is it a crazy idea to think that if the knackers change their ways that I will change my opinion of them? Everyone always has the (public) opinion that none of us are prejudiced and whatnot, but lets pick on something that most of us Irish lads actually have experience of. Would any lads here take the knee for the knackers?
I worked in pubs from my early teens to mid 20's. No great love for them at all. The question of how they constitute a race I won't go into. I've had things nicked, been threatened, had an ashtray thrown at me, cleaned up a smashed up bar and nearly got hit by a flying ashtray once. No love here at all.
I know I do be talking a good bit of shite, but if we want to seriously consider how we feel about racism in this country, we have to take the knee for the knackers. Sometimes this shit has foundation...
I think the reason for the modern day racism in the states is a combination of the fact that fuck sake it actually is the blacks committing most of the crimes combined with the historical racism of the uneducated whites there. The real question there is why are the black communities more driven to crime? It's because they have fuck all else in terms of genuine opportunity and if that problem of societal inequality is solved, then the race issue shouldn't come into it. I can't stand the idea of minority groups looking for preferential treatment under the guise of equality. Equality must be applied equally.
Some fuckin slap off these Trumps...
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:41:47 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 08, 2020, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:30:28 PM
On a serious note, do you reckon anyone in this thread will admit to being a racist other than me? Is it a crazy idea to think that if the knackers change their ways that I will change my opinion of them? Everyone always has the (public) opinion that none of us are prejudiced and whatnot, but lets pick on something that most of us Irish lads actually have experience of. Would any lads here take the knee for the knackers?
I worked in pubs from my early teens to mid 20's. No great love for them at all. The question of how they constitute a race I won't go into. I've had things nicked, been threatened, had an ashtray thrown at me, cleaned up a smashed up bar and nearly got hit by a flying ashtray once. No love here at all.
I know I do be talking a good bit of shite, but if we want to seriously consider how we feel about racism in this country, we have to take the knee for the knackers. Sometimes this shit has foundation...
I think the reason for the modern day racism in the states is a combination of the fact that fuck sake it actually is the blacks committing most of the crimes combined with the historical racism of the uneducated whites there. The real question there is why are the black communities more driven to crime? It's because they have fuck all else in terms of genuine opportunity and if that problem of societal inequality is solved, then the race issue shouldn't come into it. I can't stand the idea of minority groups looking for preferential treatment under the guise of equality. Equality must be applied equally.
On the subject of travellers.
They have the same opportunities as us education wise but choose not to take it.
And I actually don't blame the kids for it.
Its a constant cycle with travellers.
If you are brought up around violence and acting the big man of course it's going to influence you.
I always wondered if you took traveller kids from birth and gave them a proper upbringing would they turn out the way they are?
Or is it something that's ingrained in them?
Or are they actually so inbred they are incapable of understanding?
Thats a serious question by the way.
When I was 16 I had a right not to have a glass ashtray flung at me. Over years I had so many resoundingly negative experiences I have great difficulty feeling any sympathy for them whatsoever. Perhaps if I had seen them in another capacity than barwork I would think differently.
Quote from: blessed1 on June 08, 2020, 11:47:32 PM
I always wondered if you took traveller kids from birth and gave them a proper upbringing would they turn out the way they are?
They would be fine.
No sorry man you're a racist. How can you question an ethnic minority and not be racist?
On the question of would they be different if brought up by someone not of their own kind? I knew a fella who owned a wolf and it didn't tear me from limb to limb. It is equal parts nature and nurture.
Edit: So when are we all going to start taking a knee for Knacker Lives Matter?
Oh wait, we only like to march for the racism in the way that the american media sells it to us? We all need to wake the fuck up and actually start applying equality equally. You can be a fucking prick in any colour. And I'm waiting for even one of ye to actually come out and admit ye are racist against knackers as I did. And fuck it yeah I did it to prove a point to all of the virtue signalling cunts of all colours here. Even the black irish hate the knackers. I actually asked one yesterday and that isn't even a joke.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:51:44 PM
No sorry man you're a racist. How can you question an ethnic minority and not be racist?
I really don't care. If everyone from Wexford tried to fuck me up at every counter you better believe I wouldn't like them either.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:51:44 PM
No sorry man you're a racist. How can you question an ethnic minority and not be racist?
On the question of would they be different if brought up by someone not of their own kind? I knew a fella who owned a wolf and it didn't tear me from limb to limb. It is equal parts nature and nurture.
Ah ya if that makes me a racist ill happily agree to being one.
The thing is with travellers it's that about 75% are bad and the rest are OK.
I do know a lot of travellers from tattooing and you get a sense of the decent ones when you meet them.
They are out there just they are in the minority.
Quote from: blessed1 on June 08, 2020, 11:56:47 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:51:44 PM
No sorry man you're a racist. How can you question an ethnic minority and not be racist?
On the question of would they be different if brought up by someone not of their own kind? I knew a fella who owned a wolf and it didn't tear me from limb to limb. It is equal parts nature and nurture.
Ah ya if that makes me a racist ill happily agree to being one.
The thing is with travellers it's that about 75% are bad and the rest are OK.
I do know a lot of travellers from tattooing and you get a sense of the decent ones when you meet them.
They are out there just they are in the minority.
I edited the above post to include this:
Edit: So when are we all going to start taking a knee for Knacker Lives Matter?
Oh wait, we only like to march for the racism in the way that the american media sells it to us? We all need to wake the fuck up and actually start applying equality equally. You can be a fucking prick in any colour. And I'm waiting for even one of ye to actually come out and admit ye are racist against knackers as I did. And fuck it yeah I did it to prove a point to all of the virtue signalling cunts of all colours here. Even the black irish hate the knackers. I actually asked one yesterday and that isn't even a joke.
And that isn't me arguing with yourself, I agree that around 25% of them are grand, but is there not something very racist going on by even calling them
them?
I did state emphatically that I don't like them, don't care what becomes of them and resent them for multiple terrifying incidents. If that makes me racist then mail me a tshirt that says racist and I'll wear it.
Saturday afternoon, we're all going to meet up in the car park of a cash and carry in Mullingar and renounce our settled privilege while Kev leads us in prayer.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 09, 2020, 12:04:33 AM
Quote from: blessed1 on June 08, 2020, 11:56:47 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2020, 11:51:44 PM
No sorry man you're a racist. How can you question an ethnic minority and not be racist?
On the question of would they be different if brought up by someone not of their own kind? I knew a fella who owned a wolf and it didn't tear me from limb to limb. It is equal parts nature and nurture.
Ah ya if that makes me a racist ill happily agree to being one.
The thing is with travellers it's that about 75% are bad and the rest are OK.
I do know a lot of travellers from tattooing and you get a sense of the decent ones when you meet them.
They are out there just they are in the minority.
I edited the above post to include this:
Edit: So when are we all going to start taking a knee for Knacker Lives Matter?
Oh wait, we only like to march for the racism in the way that the american media sells it to us? We all need to wake the fuck up and actually start applying equality equally. You can be a fucking prick in any colour. And I'm waiting for even one of ye to actually come out and admit ye are racist against knackers as I did. And fuck it yeah I did it to prove a point to all of the virtue signalling cunts of all colours here. Even the black irish hate the knackers. I actually asked one yesterday and that isn't even a joke.
And that isn't me arguing with yourself, I agree that around 25% of them are grand, but is there not something very racist going on by even calling them them?
Like I said man if that makes me a racist saying that then I'll admit I am one
:laugh: Class
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 09, 2020, 12:14:37 AM
Saturday afternoon, we're all going to meet up in the car park of a cash and carry in Mullingar and renounce our settled privilege while Kev leads us in prayer.
I'll supply the valium.
Who will bring the yokes though lol
race is related to but not identical with being part of a micro culture
the problem is that ireland basically consists of a small hiberno british elite, and the vast unwashed of smalltown gaa types, dublin/limerick gangsters, inbred types, and vast amounts of 'new' irish, who are generally non european to boot.
they do this to every country, just to keep you uncomfortable in your own reality
ireland has always been a notably racist nudge nudge wink wink country where the best and brightest left
it's all about herd management. in the usa it's herd management through never ending tension; the atmosphere over there is always so volatile big city or small town.
that pervasive tension is by design too
I will bring the yokes.
Ah here fuck that you have to make your own shirt, but I reckon you know what I'm getting at here. All of the virtue cunts are as bad as they enemy that they feel that they are extinguishing and we still have to call a spade a spade at the end of the day. Rakes of the lads here who argue otherwise about the american black vs white issue actually hate knackers and maybe we need to get our own house in order before we are suddenly concerned by what the US election year media is selling to us. I bet the irish Gardai are entirely infatuated with knackers just as the US cops love the black fellas, even that angel George Floyd.
Look at ourselves first the whole lot of us before we start looking across the atlantic ocean
Quote from: astfgyl on June 09, 2020, 12:18:38 AM
I will bring the yokes.
Ah here fuck that you have to make your own shirt, but I reckon you know what I'm getting at here. All of the virtue cunts are as bad as they enemy that they feel that they are extinguishing and we still have to call a spade a spade at the end of the day. Rakes of the lads here who argue otherwise about the american black vs white issue actually hate knackers and maybe we need to get our own house in order before we are suddenly concerned by what the US election year media is selling to us. I bet the irish Gardai are entirely infatuated with knackers just as the US cops love the black fellas, even that angel George Floyd.
Look at ourselves first the whole lot of us before we start looking across the atlantic ocean
there's an understanding that the show must go on....the gang leaders are the same echleon as the guards, civil servants etc... it's all, in a way, for you, to keep you off balance.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 09, 2020, 12:18:38 AM
I will bring the yokes.
Ah here fuck that you have to make your own shirt, but I reckon you know what I'm getting at here. All of the virtue cunts are as bad as they enemy that they feel that they are extinguishing and we still have to call a spade a spade at the end of the day. Rakes of the lads here who argue otherwise about the american black vs white issue actually hate knackers and maybe we need to get our own house in order before we are suddenly concerned by what the US election year media is selling to us. I bet the irish Gardai are entirely infatuated with knackers just as the US cops love the black fellas, even that angel George Floyd.
Look at ourselves first the whole lot of us before we start looking across the atlantic ocean
You are right.
Me and a friend were having a conversation about this the last day and the conclusion we came to is that you have a better chance of ending world poverty as much as you do racism.
No matter what you do its always going to be there.
The people out protesting for black ppl in Ireland probably hate knackers sure.
I actually follow a few traveller pages for the fights and call outs and one lad commented why don't travellers start riots and whatnot in the name of travellers and another traveller replied to him and said sure we would only end up killing each other ;D
yeah that is pretty much it in a nutshell.
So in the future instead of taking the knee for the blacks we will be taking the yoke for the knackers and so on and so forth
Quote from: astfgyl on June 09, 2020, 12:33:20 AM
yeah that is pretty much it in a nutshell.
So in the future instead of taking the knee for the blacks we will be taking the yoke for the knackers and so on and so forth
At least everybody would be happy.
I always said they should be giving mandatory dips of mdma on entry to pubs and clubs.
It's a recipe for success imo!
The Toronto Board of Health today declared anti-Black racism a public health crisis.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime
Incredible stuff really. The most violent day in 60 years in Chicago. 18 murders in one day. Majority black on black violence. Medical professionals saying they'd never seen anything like it. But of course they'll find a way to blame the cops I'm sure and why would you protest peacefully when that's what your oppressors want?
This is the result of the eye for an eye talk, the fake rage, the reactionary stance, the call to arms, the impulsive twitter rants, the narcissistic virtue signalling, the warped ideologues, the new priesthood.
I wonder where Trevor Noah and his comedian cohorts are now? Does he have a witty, ironic 2 minute video that underplays all of this and blames everything on his beloved white brothers..fucking hack. Are Antifa down in these communities setting up soup kitchens and painting storefronts? No, because they are hateful, spiteful cunts who don't care who gets hurt as long as they get to vent their rage for Daddy not paying enough attention when they were kids the twisted cunts.
Where are all the blackout twats now when the chips are down? Spoof and convoluted talk is all we hear. Big airy fairy explanations when the most vulnerable are being terrorised by people in their own community and law enforcement is powerless to stop any of it because they have their hands tied by people who want to get their feet washed, scapegoats in a far deeper more rotten conspiracy of silence and a struggle for power.
That fanny Jacob Frey, after prostrating himself at the feet of BLM activists about 'addressing his own brokenness' being told to 'get the fuck out of here' for saying he didn't support abolition of the police. Then he has to do a walk of shame, being taunted by power drunk lunatics. He's the mayor of Minneapolis! He runs the place! And that other cunt Bender saying that calling the police because someone is breaking into your house is 'privilege'...it's unbelievable.
I use BBC for sports news only, and it's all 'we need more black managers', 'pull down all the statues', 'you can't understand the black experience'. An LA Galaxy player sacked because his WIFE criticised BLM on twitter.
I wonder what the reaction would be if someone walked around with a placard saying 'it's ok to be white' in one of these places now. Would the inevitable lynching be reported as a hate crime? I very much doubt it. It seems to have been agreed amongst these people that racism towards white people is impossible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/minneapolis-mayor-jacob-frey-walk-of-shame.html
They want the abolition of the police and yet the police weren't there to stop 18 murders in one day in Chicago. A better organised police force maybe? God forbid a bit of common sense might be used.
At least the mayor had the guts to stand there and tell the truth. Yes, he's a virtue signaller, but I suppose someone has to try and meet it in the middle somewhere. Should he be standing in front of a kangaroo court like that though? Dangerous game he's playing.
Society is on its arse when a career criminal is being lauded as some sort of martyr.
The cause is correct. The instance isn't.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 08:45:41 AM
That fanny Jacob Frey, after prostrating himself at the feet of BLM activists about 'addressing his own brokenness' being told to 'get the fuck out of here' for saying he didn't support abolition of the police. Then he has to do a walk of shame, being taunted by power drunk lunatics. He's the mayor of Minneapolis! He runs the place! And that other cunt Bender saying that calling the police because someone is breaking into your house is 'privilege'...it's unbelievable.
I use BBC for sports news only, and it's all 'we need more black managers', 'pull down all the statues', 'you can't understand the black experience'. An LA Galaxy player sacked because his WIFE criticised BLM on twitter.
I wonder what the reaction would be if someone walked around with a placard saying 'it's ok to be white' in one of these places now. Would the inevitable lynching be reported as a hate crime? I very much doubt it. It seems to have been agreed amongst these people that racism towards white people is impossible.
This would seem to be the culmination of years of Twitter logic. Say something and you're right and anyone who doesn't like it can face the mob. If I'm right then no amount of reform will appease the mob.
I'd pity the genuine protestors who only want some basic human stuff like not getting killed over a dud 20 and a safer country for their kids. Their point has been completely hijacked by a number of external actors and a baying mob of Twitter fuelled morons.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 09, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime
Did you read the article? It's full of responses from members of the community involved in trying to do what the government won't:
Quote[The Rev. Michael Pfleger, a longtime crusader against gun violence] noted the systemic problems that have plagued minority communities for decades — like joblessness, food insecurity and a lack of housing — were already heightened by the COVID-19 outbreak, which he said "made a bad situation worse."
Floyd's killing in Minnesota simply brought further to the fore the "hopelessness and anger" felt by those living in blighted communities, added Pfleger, who said the current unrest reminds him of the rioting that broke out when the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated.
"It's like a time bomb out here," Pfleger said. "People are on the edge, people are angry, people are poor, and they don't even know when it's going to change."
If immediate action isn't taken to address systemic racism, poverty and "black folks being shot down and killed out here like dogs," Pfleger said the last weekend in May will merely serve as a "coming attraction of what's going to happen next."
Quote[Kapustin of U. of C.'s crime lab] said the current situation "lays bare a really nuanced understanding of the role of the police."
"You have to sort of ask yourself: How are you going to get to a place where you have a police department that people respect and that has earned the trust of the community, but it's still actually effective at reducing gun violence, which is the thing that plagues a lot of these neighborhoods," Kapustin said. "And we're so far right now from getting that figured out."
Thousands demonstrating annually in Chicago for gun control (something, incidentally which has been a mainstay of the Daily Show since the Jon Stewart days and still is today). Constant calls from the left to invest in communities, and in community action, while the grassroots movements which do exist and try to engage on the ground with gang members to effectively reduce violence are under-funded. Anger at these underlying causes and how they are not being addressed, as Republicans and Democrats play out their political games at the city versus state level, is also central to the entire protest movement that is going on. 18 murders in one day is terrible: the people protesting want community investment that helps to reduce the hundreds and hundreds annually, but they're not getting that. So, if they don't protest, nothing changes and the communities remain war zone slums where kids have no prospects but easy access to guns and gang life. But, if they do protest, they get blamed for diverting police attention away from these communities (which in any case are badly policed). Literally damned if you do, damned if you don't. The government does not care about these communities, that is what is very clear, that is what the protests are fundamentally about. And who you refer to as the liberals, for all their faults, this is the button they bang at more than any other: poverty.
https://youtu.be/UPiNiTwf5bM
Listening to these lads at the minute. An interesting and very much against the grain stance to hold within the American black community I'm sure, but it's good to see there are some sensible people on both sides trying to unpick some of the nuttiness that various factions of society seem tangled in.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 09, 2020, 10:42:12 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 09, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime
Did you read the article? It's full of responses from members of the community involved in trying to do what the government won't:
Quote[The Rev. Michael Pfleger, a longtime crusader against gun violence] noted the systemic problems that have plagued minority communities for decades — like joblessness, food insecurity and a lack of housing — were already heightened by the COVID-19 outbreak, which he said "made a bad situation worse."
Floyd's killing in Minnesota simply brought further to the fore the "hopelessness and anger" felt by those living in blighted communities, added Pfleger, who said the current unrest reminds him of the rioting that broke out when the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated.
"It's like a time bomb out here," Pfleger said. "People are on the edge, people are angry, people are poor, and they don't even know when it's going to change."
If immediate action isn't taken to address systemic racism, poverty and "black folks being shot down and killed out here like dogs," Pfleger said the last weekend in May will merely serve as a "coming attraction of what's going to happen next."
Quote[Kapustin of U. of C.'s crime lab] said the current situation "lays bare a really nuanced understanding of the role of the police."
"You have to sort of ask yourself: How are you going to get to a place where you have a police department that people respect and that has earned the trust of the community, but it's still actually effective at reducing gun violence, which is the thing that plagues a lot of these neighborhoods," Kapustin said. "And we're so far right now from getting that figured out."
Thousands demonstrating annually in Chicago for gun control (something, incidentally which has been a mainstay of the Daily Show since the Jon Stewart days and still is today). Constant calls from the left to invest in communities, and in community action, while the grassroots movements which do exist and try to engage on the ground with gang members to effectively reduce violence are under-funded. Anger at these underlying causes and how they are not being addressed, as Republicans and Democrats play out their political games at the city versus state level, is also central to the entire protest movement that is going on. 18 murders in one day is terrible: the people protesting want community investment that helps to reduce the hundreds and hundreds annually, but they're not getting that. So, if they don't protest, nothing changes and the communities remain war zone slums where kids have no prospects but easy access to guns and gang life. But, if they do protest, they get blamed for diverting police attention away from these communities (which in any case are badly policed). Literally damned if you do, damned if you don't. The government does not care about these communities, that is what is very clear, that is what the protests are fundamentally about. And who you refer to as the liberals, for all their faults, this is the button they bang at more than any other: poverty.
We're actually getting somewhere here. I agree with all of the above. How then does the villification of 800k policepeople across the United States help with any of this. How does washing people's feet and ridiculous kangaroo courts help this? Most decent minded people want this to change. I'd wonder if the outrage artists will ever be happy though? And while I agree that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't from a community perspective, I would also say the opposite applies. Underpaid police people working in conditions you'd hesitate at sending a Navy Seal into, filmed, assaulted, spat on, constant, unending intimidation. Surely there's got to be someone in the African American community that can bridge the gap here without being labelled an Uncle Tom or whatever other underhanded suggestions are thrown at them. Coleman Hughes that McLove refers to there, a very balanced, educated, well thought out guy, but probably too much of each to be widely accepted.
We've stopped accepting stereotypical and demeaning roles for women in Hollywood supposedly(billions of porn videos don't seem to come under any scrutiny of course). When do black actors and rap artists stop reinforcing every negative stereotype related to their community. If it's going to be a left sided approach, then surely community and society is where changes need to happen, instead of always waiting for some move from above.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 09, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
https://youtu.be/UPiNiTwf5bM
Listening to these lads at the minute. An interesting and very much against the grain stance to hold within the American black community I'm sure, but it's good to see there are some sensible people on both sides trying to unpick some of the nuttiness that various factions of society seem tangled in.
He's a smart chap. The discussion about the racist incident at 10.30 mins is a great example of people finding racism where no racism exists. Compensation culture then comes into play and some joe soap security guard loses his job for simply doing his job.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 08:45:41 AM
An LA Galaxy player sacked because his WIFE criticised BLM on twitter.
Yet the same people who demanded his sacking were the ones losing their shit a couple of years ago when the Ravens pulled out of a pretty much done deal with Kaepernick, after his missus called the owner a slave driver and Ray Lewis (their greatest player) an Uncle Tom.
Hardly surprising though, after that Maya Forstater got sacked for saying a man can't become a woman, biologically. At her industrial tribunal, the judge upheld her sacking, saying her views were 'not deserving of respect in a democratic society'.
Comply with the left's narrative or die.
Job loss is quite a common tactic. With regard to radical left vs moderate left there is absolutely no discernable difference between the two at the moment. Some are louder and some are sneakier.
Fuck sake, lads, yiz are seriously triggered :laugh:
Maya Forstater worked for a think tank that campaigns against poverty and...inequality. She wasn't sacked, her contract wasn't renewed. The reasons given you know, she contested them. It should have been pretty obvious to her that her views were incommensurate with the nature of the think tank she worked for, but some people just can't keep their mouths shut, and it could well be that this element of her character manifest in other areas in the work place too. The reason given is often an excuse, as we all know.
First half lifted wholesale from the independent, second idle speculation for which there is no evidence.
Why should she keep her mouth shut under pain of losing her job if they are sincerely held beliefs?
Welcome to utopia comrades!
She worked for a left-leaning think tank, but apparently wasn't very good at strategic thinking, which is kind of their thing. She wasn't put in prison. If she is genuinely any good at the aul thinking, she can find herself a job at a right-leaning think tank, there's loads of them!
And what difference does it make where the clarifying details came from? You didn't provide any so I was obliged to look up what the hell bee had gotten into your bonnet this time!
As regards the traveller comments. Yes a large proportion are involved in criminality. Obvious. But growing up I played soccer with sound ones and lived beside two settled traveller families and never had any bother. And the lads I played soccer with got constant abuse every day because they were a traveller. And it's fucking disgraceful. I have family in Tallaght and was started on there by some young scum. It dosent mean everyone from Tallaght is a cunt.
It makes a difference because the fountain of all current affairs truth comes from the independent or the guardian! It wouldn't kill you to spread the auld net a bit further once in a while.
So what if she worked for a 'left leaning' think tank? Are you saying that their employees are not allowed to think for themselves? If that's the reason her employment was discontinued, like, having a perfectly reasonable opinion (I've seen trans people being berated for saying they are biologically male by non trans people, that 'I'm a biologically a man, get over it'person), it's clearly an intolerant organisation.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 02:44:17 PM
It makes a difference because the fountain of all current affairs truth comes from the independent or the guardian! It wouldn't kill you to spread the auld net a bit further once in a while.
So what if she worked for a 'left leaning' think tank? Are you saying that their employees are not allowed to think for themselves? If that's the reason her employment was discontinued, like, having a perfectly reasonable opinion (I've seen trans people being berated for saying they are biologically male by non trans people, that 'I'm a biologically a man, get over it'person), it's clearly an intolerant organisation.
Ah come on now. She should have known better. If I worked for Fox News I wouldn't be wearing an "Abortion is a woman's choice" t shirt. I have sincerely held beliefs and do i share them at work. Do I fuck.
It is a statement of scientific fact
Maybe so, but getting the bullet for it? And it's not an isolated incident, opinions get you the dole queue more and more.
For most people, losing your job would be catastrophic in the short term at least. And if it's over a tweet? I don't think it's fair. It's not like she said 'I hate negroes' is it?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
First half lifted wholesale from the independent, second idle speculation for which there is no evidence.
Why should she keep her mouth shut under pain of losing her job if they are sincerely held beliefs?
Welcome to utopia comrades!
all professional jobs are essentially busy work. Look busy, compliment your boss on his/her latest presentation/white paper/published article. never say/do/think a anything of relevance, have a nice life. it's just unionisation for middle class people, except it's unspoken.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 02:54:17 PM
I hate negroes
Jaysus Kev, that's a bit heavy... :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 02:54:17 PM
Maybe so, but getting the bullet for it? And it's not an isolated incident, opinions get you the dole queue more and more.
For most people, losing your job would be catastrophic in the short term at least. And if it's over a tweet? I don't think it's fair. It's not like she said 'I hate negroes' is it?
what kind of retard even uses twitter anymore, tik tok is the new vine, all the cool people are there.
Quote from: mugz on June 09, 2020, 03:19:56 PM
what kind of retard even uses twitter anymore, tik tok is the new vine, all the cool people are there.
That remark is offensive to the intellectually impaired. Prepare to be reported to the Irish Times.
Quote from: mugz on June 09, 2020, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
First half lifted wholesale from the independent, second idle speculation for which there is no evidence.
Why should she keep her mouth shut under pain of losing her job if they are sincerely held beliefs?
Welcome to utopia comrades!
all professional jobs are essentially busy work. Look busy, compliment your boss on his/her latest presentation/white paper/published article. never say/do/think a anything of relevance, have a nice life. it's just unionisation for middle class people, except it's unspoken.
That's a ridiculous blanket statement. Of course there's loads of jobs like that but I've worked in plenty of roles where if the boss is wrong they are soon told about it.
Quote from: hellfire on June 09, 2020, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 09, 2020, 03:19:56 PM
what kind of retard even uses twitter anymore, tik tok is the new vine, all the cool people are there.
That remark is offensive to the intellectually impaired. Prepare to be reported to the Irish Times.
actually it was a bad choice of word, so I'll accept that reprimand.
Sarcasm. I don't give a shit what words you use.
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 09, 2020, 03:22:44 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 09, 2020, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
First half lifted wholesale from the independent, second idle speculation for which there is no evidence.
Why should she keep her mouth shut under pain of losing her job if they are sincerely held beliefs?
Welcome to utopia comrades!
all professional jobs are essentially busy work. Look busy, compliment your boss on his/her latest presentation/white paper/published article. never say/do/think a anything of relevance, have a nice life. it's just unionisation for middle class people, except it's unspoken.
That's a ridiculous blanket statement. Of course there's loads of jobs like that but I've worked in plenty of roles where if the boss is wrong they are soon told about it.
wouldn't say it's exaggerated that much. I just made a generalised statement so the other poster would get the point that white collar jobs are a certain way, and for reasons that make sense in that specific environment.
Quote from: hellfire on June 09, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
Sarcasm. I don't give a shit what words you use.
yeah I know but I actually do try not to be too late 70s in the words I use.
one could say that in fact words themselves are very unnecessary, they can only do harm.
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 09, 2020, 02:43:48 PM
As regards the traveller comments. Yes a large proportion are involved in criminality. Obvious. But growing up I played soccer with sound ones and lived beside two settled traveller families and never had any bother. And the lads I played soccer with got constant abuse every day because they were a traveller. And it's fucking disgraceful. I have family in Tallaght and was started on there by some young scum. It dosent mean everyone from Tallaght is a cunt.
You are bang on there, I know a good few travellers who are the solid finest and actually sold me proper drugs instead of gack like some of the others.
On a serious note though, of course all can't be tarred with the same brush just because the vast majority are involved in criminality of one sort or another. Maybe if we as a society had done more to reach out to them over the years regarding social integration, education and job opportunities, they wouldn't be seen as separate from the rest of us. Then again, they are the ones who were pushing for ethnic minority status, so maybe they enjoy the separation?
I do agree honestly that rakes of them are grand as well as rakes of them are cunts, but the stereotype is not without foundation.
Changing things up a bit here, I'm writing a letter to Jacobs to demand the removal of Cream Crackers from store shelves with immediate effect, as they are making me feel as if I'm being racially abused every time I go shopping. Of course they are but one of a host of companies who continue to use the word cracker, in full knowledge that it is a racial slur in these modern times, designed to denigrate the white race by those of other colours. I mean they wouldn't sell me a packet of cream niggers or cream spicks, so why the double standard? Is it because one simply cannot be racist against whites? I'm writing it as a letter rather than putting it on twitter though as I don't want to see their factory burned down when the inevitable riot ensues.
Basically, racism is idiotic and we all know that, so there is no need for everything to be taken to extremes all of the time. You can be a fucking prick in any colour and you can also be sound as a trout in any colour and anybody with an actual brain which they use for thinking knows that.
And lastly, flying in the face of the point of the letter I'm going to write, I bought these for my homosexual brother in law last christmas
(https://www.brfoods.gr/shop/brfoods/images/product/38475.large.jpeg)
He laughed, because he isn't a militant shitehawk.
Regarding travellers, they have got such a terrible reputation, and there are extremely bad eggs in there. But most people in Ireland grow up with vehement prejudice against them. Having a rendezvous with one for a shift as a teenager, if it got out, you'd never hear the end of it. The same would not apply to any other group on the planet. You'd have gotten less incredulity and slagging if you'd shifted a man.
The videos of the daft fuckers calling each out, beating up rivals over debts etc, it just feeds into it. It is, in my experience, very, very unfair and every virtue signalling cunty balls in Ireland taking a knee over something 4000 miles away might do well to remember that attitudes towards travellers in Ireland are no better than gypsies in Romania and Serbia, and certainly worse off than blacks are in the US.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 03:59:20 PM
Regarding travellers, they have got such a terrible reputation, and there are extremely bad eggs in there. But most people in Ireland grow up with vehement prejudice against them. Having a rendezvous with one for a shift as a teenager, if it got out, you'd never hear the end of it. The same would not apply to any other group on the planet. You'd have gotten less incredulity and slagging if you'd shifted a man.
The videos of the daft fuckers calling each out, beating up rivals over debts etc, it just feeds into it. It is, in my experience, very, very unfair and every virtue signalling cunty balls in Ireland taking a knee over something 4000 miles away might do well to remember that attitudes towards travellers in Ireland are no better than gypsies in Romania and Serbia, and certainly worse off than blacks are in the US.
That is pretty much what I have been getting at since I brought them up. I was making the point that we in this country need to be looking at our own issues before we take into taking the knee for the USA.
I was having a bit of a laugh along the way, but honestly trying to make a valid point.
Or to put it another way, why the fuck are we all so in thrall to the US? What could it be if not the media?
I appreciate that you all have had nice experiences with travellers. Have you ever been around when they kick off?
I used to have a DVD of the bareknuckle boxing.
As I also mentioned, the stereotype is not without foundation and I admitted I am prejudiced towards them as well. I wonder how do we change the attitude of both sides here?
Napalm.
Change will happen within the community or it wont. I wouldn't hold my breath. DVDs are one thing, the live show is another. I've lost count of how many serious incidents I had in a 12 year bar career. The cops only arrive when they're sure the lads are gone. I don't blame them.
There are very valid reasons why bars won't serve them. I once worked for a guy who was so mean he would make medicine sick. I've seen him make 30k in one day and was down on his hands and knees looking for a fiver. He closed the pub for three days while they were parked near it. I don't consider it a prejudice as much as simple pattern recognition. If your staff and customers are in legit danger every time travellers are in........
As I said earlier I see them entirely through the lens of a teenager working in a bar. I have no intention of ever talking to or dealing with one again.
Quote from: hellfire on June 09, 2020, 04:23:02 PM
I appreciate that you all have had nice experiences with travellers. Have you ever been around when they kick off?
More times than I care to remember. I grew up on Castlebar in Mayo. Loads live there. But I've also seem plenty of non travellers in brawls. Dosent mean every non traveller is a cunt. This is what I'm getting at.
One of the reasons traveller kids don't stand a chance is the government won't enforce the rule that the child has to stay in school until they are 16. Taken our when they're 12 or 13 to learn how to rob. At least if they were made stay in school until they were 16 more of them would stand a chance.
The law doesn't apply to them in most meaningful ways. Can you imagine how many Gardai would have to go to a halting site over a truant child? You make your own luck. Living outside the law don't expect much help from it.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 09, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 03:59:20 PM
Regarding travellers, they have got such a terrible reputation, and there are extremely bad eggs in there. But most people in Ireland grow up with vehement prejudice against them. Having a rendezvous with one for a shift as a teenager, if it got out, you'd never hear the end of it. The same would not apply to any other group on the planet. You'd have gotten less incredulity and slagging if you'd shifted a man.
The videos of the daft fuckers calling each out, beating up rivals over debts etc, it just feeds into it. It is, in my experience, very, very unfair and every virtue signalling cunty balls in Ireland taking a knee over something 4000 miles away might do well to remember that attitudes towards travellers in Ireland are no better than gypsies in Romania and Serbia, and certainly worse off than blacks are in the US.
That is pretty much what I have been getting at since I brought them up. I was making the point that we in this country need to be looking at our own issues before we take into taking the knee for the USA.
I was having a bit of a laugh along the way, but honestly trying to make a valid point.
Or to put it another way, why the fuck are we all so in thrall to the US? What could it be if not the media?
low self esteem as a nation. stuck between the uk and the usa, despite being right by the Nordic nations and continental europe too.
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And lastly, flying in the face of the point of the letter I'm going to write, I bought these for my homosexual brother in law last christmas
(https://www.brfoods.gr/shop/brfoods/images/product/38475.large.jpeg)
He laughed, because he isn't a militant shitehawk.
My gay friend when he was heading of to uni his uncle got him some food. Those faggots there and a pack of fairy cakes. He hadn't come out to his family at the time. He found it funny though
Yeah there would be the odd one at school and then disappear, and they'd be complete outsiders.
A lad called John Dooley used to drift in and out, but it was if he was a leper the way he was avoided by the other kids. We had a song about him, 'Dooley Dooley' (to the tune of Bouli an fear sneachta).
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 04:57:03 PM
Yeah there would be the odd one at school and then disappear, and they'd be complete outsiders.
A lad called John Dooley used to drift in and out, but it was if he was a leper the way he was avoided by the other kids. We had a song about him, 'Dooley Dooley' (to the tune of Bouli an fear sneachta).
I hadn't thought of the snowman song for a long time until now. Nostalgia rush for the very early 80s, fuck me I'm old.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 09, 2020, 04:34:12 PM
Napalm.
Would Napalm Death do? I can see the lads bringing a bit of unity to the situation
Quote from: hellfire on June 09, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
The law doesn't apply to them in most meaningful ways. Can you imagine how many Gardai would have to go to a halting site over a truant child? You make your own luck. Living outside the law don't expect much help from it.
100% true. With regular dealings with them, they have very little respect for authority. And that's when they're kids. It gets exponentially worse as they get older. They terrorise rural communities and pubs are extremely hesitant to let them in. Speaking to many bar workers, they say the stereotype is highly accurate.
Pavee Point rationalise the craziest antics as either also being done by settled people or simply part of their culture. I mean, seriously..racing horses up a motorway. Come off it.
I always have a little chuckle when I'm leaving the motorway for The Siege and I see those Sulky signs as you're entering Limerick. :laugh:
Quote from: hellfire on June 09, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
The law doesn't apply to them in most meaningful ways. Can you imagine how many Gardai would have to go to a halting site over a truant child? You make your own luck. Living outside the law don't expect much help from it.
For sure. For me keeping a child in school till 16 is one of the most important things we can do as a society. When we don't apply that law you see the consequences. It won't happen as it would require leadership willing to implement it. No hope of that happening.
Ideally 18. There is also this thing called parental responsibility. To say that wider society is responsible when they wont send their kids to school is to diminish them as intelligent humans. I'd say a lot about them, but they ain't thick. Once police start calling to halting sites to make sure the kids are going to school then the war starts. The cries of targeting and discrimination will resound for ages.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 09, 2020, 12:15:03 PM
We're actually getting somewhere here. I agree with all of the above. How then does the villification of 800k policepeople across the United States help with any of this. How does washing people's feet and ridiculous kangaroo courts help this? Most decent minded people want this to change. I'd wonder if the outrage artists will ever be happy though? And while I agree that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't from a community perspective, I would also say the opposite applies. Underpaid police people working in conditions you'd hesitate at sending a Navy Seal into, filmed, assaulted, spat on, constant, unending intimidation. Surely there's got to be someone in the African American community that can bridge the gap here without being labelled an Uncle Tom or whatever other underhanded suggestions are thrown at them. Coleman Hughes that McLove refers to there, a very balanced, educated, well thought out guy, but probably too much of each to be widely accepted.
We've stopped accepting stereotypical and demeaning roles for women in Hollywood supposedly(billions of porn videos don't seem to come under any scrutiny of course). When do black actors and rap artists stop reinforcing every negative stereotype related to their community. If it's going to be a left sided approach, then surely community and society is where changes need to happen, instead of always waiting for some move from above.
Here's something from a discussion I was having elsewhere, written before I'd watched the documentary '13th', but which still holds up, except that '13th' adds on top of the higher
actual crime rate among Afro-Americans the higher
perceived crime rate due to real life cop shows on US TV. I wrote it to try to explain to someone what actual range of social phenomena 'systemic racism' refers to. Most people I've discussed with don't seem to know, and from any of the little bits of Coleman Hughes I've listened to, he doesn't deal with it head on either, he goes around it, or picks it up in the wrong way, but doesn't tackle the core of the real (i.e. not hysterical) arguments. And I think it's safe to say that most African-Americans would indeed see him as, at best, a Carlton Banks, and at worst an Uncle Tom, since his lived experience as an Ivy league student isn't exactly representative of the reasons for these protests, all the while he's saying the conditions (which he has little or no first-hand experience of) don't actually exist.
QuoteBlack people are almost three times more likely to live below the poverty line than whites (27.4 vs 9.9% of the population).
This means they are much more likely to end up in crime, since they are born into and live in neighbourhoods with little to no job prospects, a pre-existing high crime rate, and the worst schools in the US (I mean, we've all seen The Wire... it's based on real life observations).
So, firstly, the fact that a higher proportion of young black men turn to crime is itself a product of systemic racism; because they are born African American, they are more likely than any other ethnicity to be born into the worst living conditions, and this is for historical reasons which are directly related to the segregation era.
Right, so now the police have in their heads (because it's true, but the fact it's true is itself a product of systemic racism, I'm just going to keep hammering this out) this idea that a random black person is more likely to be a criminal than a random white person (in the same way that the random black person is more likely to be poor, more likely to be badly educated, and so on), and so they stop and search more random black men than others; much more. This also means that black men are much more likely to get hit for possession than white men, and as I'm sure you've heard, the US is not a place you want to get hit with a possession charge, since in the US you can do more time for it than for child molesting or rape. Oh, and the maximum amount of a drug in possession before you hit minimum sentencing? Roughly 25g for crack, 500g for cocaine... which community do you think that policy hits the hardest? And before 2010, it was 5g versus 500g!
Again, for the same reasons as above - and remembering that in the US it's easier to get a gun than a decent education - police are also more likely to presume that a black man is going to be violent or that he is armed, and if they think he is armed, they are more likely to immediately think he is a threat. This is how Tamir Rice, 12 years old, ended up shot dead by police over a toy gun, which wasn't even visible at moment of shooting. Overall result? 30 in a million black men are killed by police, 12 in a million white men. And, as I've said already, the imbalance only gets worse when you look at unarmed cases.
This is how systemic/structural/institutional racism can manifest through a police force, even if it doesn't necessarily contain a single officer having any individual racist thoughts or ideas of his own. Of course, we know there are plenty of documented cases of actual racists who were police officers (and no, I don't just mean the lyrics to Killing In The Name Of ;) ). But even imagining that those few individuals didn't exist, the entire US society is structured in such a way that if you are born African American, you are more likely to be absolutely fucked over by the system, perhaps as soon as you're born - if you're born into dire poverty - perhaps a little later, perhaps much later. But the probability of you having a terrible and short life in the US is much, much higher if you're African American. That is systemic racism. And that's just a small glimpse at the various aspects of it. Finally, the fact of having worse living conditions, worse clinics, more pollution, etc., is also what makes the community up to three times more vulnerable to mortality from COVID-19 (and similar illnesses before this one came along). There is no genetic predisposition, and obviously the coronavirus itself isn't "racist", but the consequences of ongoing historical neglect and abuse of African-American communities makes that epidemiological fact another result of systemic/structural/institutional racism.
So, the police are seen as the instrument of the most easily perceived consequences of systemic racism: the fact that almost 900,000 African-American men are in prison, most of them without trial. The fact that they have worse health and worse education because of environmental and socio-economic conditions, they're things that are less salient, less visible, have less identifiable agency behind them. Why are the police being vilified? Because they're visible. Are the police actually the main cause? Absolutely not.
On remand in jail without trial, maybe, but you can't go to prison unless you've been convicted and sentenced to at least a year in most US states.
Apart from that, a well argued post.
My problem with the expression 'systematic racism' is that it implies there is some kind of conspiracy to 'keep the negro down, y'all'.
There are no laws, none, which favour whites above other races. Asians do significantly better than whites in terms of income, run-ins with the polis, etc. Shouldn't they be kneeling a bit as well?
Maybe that's a typo, but it's 'systemic' not 'systematic', an important difference.
As for "no laws which favour whites", the law that stipulates mandatory sentencing for 25g of crack but allows up to 500g of powdered cocaine is, in effect, just such a law. And when such laws came in, in the 70s and 80s, when it was 5g of crack, they genuinely were intended to 'keep the negro down'. There are recorded conversations to precisely that effect.
Very very interesting and a far subtler way of expressing things. Unfortunately, I'm not sure even the majority of people who are protesting would understand systemic racism in those terms, but it's certainly a breakdown worth reading a couple of times. So, there's something there that obviously need tackling and yet it does nothing to assuage the fears of statistics like the following which weren't included in your breakdown:
'According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of White victims killed by Whites and 93% of African American victims killed by African Americans'.
So I'm shooting the shit here so bear with me: With figures like that, it's clear that somthing radical needs to occur in these communities. You read an autobiography like that of Mike Tyson and the guy lived more crazy shit before the age of 10 than a football team's worth of Irish adult men. Crime, murder, chaos seems is an accepted part of life in these communities. The poverty thing is an interesting one but it could be argued that there are far poorer communities in the world that aren't committing crime to the same degree.
The problem is cultural. There needs to be a shift in the culture of these communities. It cannot all be coming from outside. That perception of black people is a 'stereotype', that is within the system i.e. cops will react to a black guy quicker than a white guy(as you explained this amounts to 'systemic' racism i.e. an expectation that a certain group is going to act a certain way). That seems really self explanatory and a very human reaction if we look at the crazy amount of crimes and murders they are responsible for. That's not excusing it. It's a vicious cycle and one would have to question if it is ever going to get resolved as long as one side i.e. the police, are always the guilty party. It's a conundrum, very hard to see it changing for the better any time soon.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 09, 2020, 10:33:41 PM
Maybe that's a typo, but it's 'systemic' not 'systematic', an important difference.
As for "no laws which favour whites", the law that stipulates mandatory sentencing for 25g of crack but allows up to 500g of powdered cocaine is, in effect, just such a law. And when such laws came in, in the 70s and 80s, when it was 5g of crack, they genuinely were intended to 'keep the negro down'. There are recorded conversations to precisely that effect.
This is an old one trotted out. Crack destroyed whole inner cities, causing untold damage to the black community whereas some middle class lads doing coke certainly didn't have the same devestating effects. So, certainly, while the comparison can seem racist and may even have had racist tones to it, surely the only way to stop a crack epidemic tearing the soul out of an already beleaguered community was to simply introduce laws to that effect. It's more of the damned if you do and don't stuff. Crack ravaged the black community. Was it better to leave offenders on the street or pinpoint them. Again, I'm not arguing either way or trying to paint one race one way or any of that dogshit. I'm simply trying to step back with a non racist tinted look at things and question the POSSIBLE underlying motives.
Now that argument does imply a certain categorizing and many would argue stereotyping but maybe it's just poor human judgement in the face of all out catastrophe?
That's easily fixed, if it's put in to the public domain. Plenty of white crackheads too, although I take your point.
Do you think that welfare destroyed the black family? Is that racist?
I'd love to drag the auld third wave feminism into this, something I'm less ad-lib about, but I've a notion we'll both be 'cancelled' by popular demand if I strike that match.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
That's easily fixed, if it's put in to the public domain. Plenty of white crackheads too, although I take your point.
I'd love to drag the auld third wave feminism into this, something I'm less ad-lib about, but I've a notion we'll both be 'cancelled' by popular demand if I strike that match.
Well ok, crack ravaged poor communities. Coke didn't ravage anything only people's manners. Imagine inner city Dublin and you have a different approach to people doing heroin than doing coke? I'm not saying it's necessarily right, but you'd have less walking dead strolling around the place roaring at eachother the poor hopeless bastards. Blah blah blah then you put them into hellhole jails and they come out worse than they ever did going in. Fuck it, I'm not solving this one tonight :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
I'd love to drag the auld third wave feminism into this, something I'm less ad-lib about, but I've a notion we'll both be 'cancelled' by popular demand if I strike that match.
Cancelled? Why? I don't know a single woman who doesn't think it's a load of shite.
Check out the gender violence laws here in Spain. Terrifying.
Summarise briefly?
If a woman SAYS that a man has abused her in any way, doesn't have to be a slap, the man is guaranteed a court appearance, and often a night in the cells, no evidence required.
This does not apply to homosexual couples of either variety or if a man reports abuse from a female spouse. In fact, the offence is categorised in a different way.
It's open to all kinds of abuse. Vox, the right wing Spanish political party suggested the law be applied to both sexes and were screeched down by the powerful feminist lobby here.
It will head like that here too. Only a matter of time. It's not like women would ever do something petty or vindictive. Do Spanish men just hide in the cupboard whenever the wife is grumpy?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 09, 2020, 11:22:26 PM
Vox, the right wing Spanish political party suggested the law be applied to both sexes and were screeched down by the powerful feminist lobby here.
Which would worry you more if you had a daughter, the example you gave earlier of a transsexual being able to take a shit in the cubicle beside her (which Vox would rather die than allow happen), or to have her taken by five louts in revolting circumstances but not be charged with rape (which is what Vox wanted)? Spain isn't as bad as France, not even close, but violence against women in Spain is a problem. 55 female partners killed last year (though, 137 in France). Vox were just stirring the shit with that recommendation. Their attempted defense and call for leniency of La Manada was gutter-worthy, all the more so with the same group's prior crime coming to light.
Quote from: hellfire on June 09, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
It will head like that here too. Only a matter of time. It's not like women would ever do something petty or vindictive. Do Spanish men just hide in the cupboard whenever the wife is grumpy?
usually banging the female tourists or else drinking red wine down the tavern, hanging out, pitta bread, peppers, ham slices, play some dominoes, maybe watch sports on the tv.
It's normally the loudest and brattiest women who demand these ridiculous laws. Most women I know would find that ridiculous. The whole third wave feminism lost touch with the people they purport to represent about 10 billion tweets ago.
Y'know, by the way the two of you are talking, it's no surprise that it took so long for rape within marriage to be admitted as a reality and a crime. Presumably it was screeching "third wave feminists" who brought that change about too.
Third wave feminism is an entirely separate animal and well you know it. You intentionally misunderstood the point. The rape within marriage act was thirty years ago and a perfectly valid point. We're referring to the "is office heating set too low and is that sexist" type feminism. What Kev is describing is any woman having the right to send a man to lockup regardless of having done anything or not.
Need to change the title of this thread to Feminazi Cuck Libtards vs White Male Supremacists :abbath:
With a small amount of editing, I think we could get this whole thread published: it's got it all! Although, no medium on the left or the right would ever publish such a range of views :laugh:
You're the one who derailed it. White male supremacists :laugh:. Could you try to address the point I just made? I could have guessed that due process wouldn't be your thing. I'm assuming that you're old enough that you have at some point really pissed off a woman. I'm sure you've also had ex's who weren't all that reasonable. Now imagine a scenario where she could have you sleeping in the cells.
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 12:24:40 AM
You're the one who derailed it. White male supremacists :laugh:. Could you try to address the point I just made? I could have guessed that due process wouldn't be your thing. I'm assuming that you're old enough that you have at some point really pissed off a woman. I'm sure you've also had ex's who weren't all that reasonable. Now imagine a scenario where she could have you sleeping in the cells.
I have one ex who is the most unreasonable person I've ever met in my life. Eventually, I left her. Boom. Problem solved. If I'd thought she could put me in the cells for a night out of spite, maybe I'd have left her quicker and been better off for it!
If you had pissed her off before you left? I'm sure she at least had to show signs of being a dickhead before you left. Again, imagine she could have called the cops and regardless of if you had done something or not tis off to the cells for the night.
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 12:32:15 AM
If you had pissed her off before you left? I'm sure she at least had to show signs of being a dickhead before you left. Again, imagine she could have called the cops and regardless of if you had done something or not tis off to the cells for the night.
I think the problem is that there's all too much imagining going on, meanwhile dozens of women are killed by their partners, and very often ex-partners, in Spain every year. Imagine that!
men and women have been emotionally and physically abusive to each other in the context of heterosexual relationships for eternity. who really cares anymore, just another aspect of life that doesn't work properly, more hassle
we're all cunts
L'origine du monde !
people don't really like anyone, or themselves, or being alive, the rest is just details; some replication urges, financial stress, people living too long, all the usual shit.
shriek shriek thump, thump thump shriek :-\
.... is that you Stenchy?
Quote from: Giggles on June 10, 2020, 12:56:37 AM
.... is that you Stenchy?
nope
still amused by apparently serious discussions about 2nd vs 3rd wave feminism; are not all long enough out of 4th year to be past all this?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 12:42:44 AM
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 12:32:15 AM
If you had pissed her off before you left? I'm sure she at least had to show signs of being a dickhead before you left. Again, imagine she could have called the cops and regardless of if you had done something or not tis off to the cells for the night.
I think the problem is that there's all too much imagining going on, meanwhile dozens of women are killed by their partners, and very often ex-partners, in Spain every year. Imagine that!
My point was about due process. The ability to send an innocent party to sleep with the drunks and lunatics in the cells. A person shouldn't have any right to do that. If the police don't believe that anything happened they shouldn't be obliged to make an arrest. Imagine if I had the right to send you to jail every time you intentionally misread one of my posts? You'd do more time than Charles Manson!
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 12:42:44 AM
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 12:32:15 AM
If you had pissed her off before you left? I'm sure she at least had to show signs of being a dickhead before you left. Again, imagine she could have called the cops and regardless of if you had done something or not tis off to the cells for the night.
I think the problem is that there's all too much imagining going on, meanwhile dozens of women are killed by their partners, and very often ex-partners, in Spain every year. Imagine that!
My point was about due process. The ability to send an innocent party to sleep with the drunks and lunatics in the cells. A person shouldn't have any right to do that. If the police don't believe that anything happened they shouldn't be obliged to make an arrest. Imagine if I had the right to send you to jail every time you intentionally misread one of my posts? You'd do more time than Charles Manson!
anyone can destroy anyone with a word a thought or a deed.
we're all vulnerably dependent on people acting rationally
Have you been at astfgyl's yokes?
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:11:09 AM
Have you been at astfgyl's yokes?
I'm on your side as far as it goes, but we're all pushing 40, so it's like who really cares anymore. Recycling race and gender controversies from the 70s, it's not the 70s.
I was referring to the more zany brand of feminism currently on the go. Twas others who dragged up everything pre-2010. I asked if you were on the yokes because you sound way more nihilistic than usual.
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:16:33 AM
I was referring to the more zany brand of feminism currently on the go. Twas others who dragged up everything pre-2010. I asked if you were on the yokes because you sound way more nihilistic than usual.
Yah but ALL feminism is zany, the whole human condition itself is completely fucked. we're unavoidably heading to a point where people our age will have nothing to say on what being human even is anymore, let alone what can be said about the issues of the day.
On the other hand, I would be on your side on most things you post, but none of it matters. Look, we all need the interaction but the level and topics of debate are too hackneyed for 2020.
Apologies for the nihilism... it's not a good buzz, so I do genuinely apologise for those vibes. We can have good debates about how things are changing for the younger generations, what the new terms of reality are, or we can lend our historical perspective to today's real issues, but we can't have reflexive arguments about topics which fall between those 2 chairs.
A forum meetup with the biggest bag of yokes anyone has ever seen might solve a lot.
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:30:40 AM
A forum meetup with the biggest bag of yokes anyone has ever seen might solve a lot.
I've often thought it should be about making a scene, a healthy scene, but tbh we're all too old for Fibbers/Valhalla/ whatever dive is the current metal dive. Instead of pills and booze it needs more like a group meal or indoor football maybe; I'm half serious
I haven't taken a yoke since I was 19. We're all in different Towns and countries. A game of five aside would be tough to organise.
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
My point was about due process. The ability to send an innocent party to sleep with the drunks and lunatics in the cells. A person shouldn't have any right to do that. If the police don't believe that anything happened they shouldn't be obliged to make an arrest. Imagine if I had the right to send you to jail every time you intentionally misread one of my posts? You'd do more time than Charles Manson!
The missus is Spanish, I'll ask her about this law mañana. I wouldn't trust anything Vox says on any subject without being able to get a proper look at the facts. They make France's FN and UKIP look like liberals, much closer to the BNP in terms of "couldn't give a fuck about anything except flag waving and posturing" horseshit and systematically twist reality to fit their nightmare of a Spain that just isn't close enough to Franco's for their liking.
Zoom five aside, pills optional.
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:41:10 AM
I haven't taken a yoke since I was 19. We're all in different Towns and countries. A game of five aside would be tough to organise.
tough but not impossible. I'm considering going to germany this summer for a meetup based off another forum I frequent, for people who like old buildings.
a pointless and complicated indoor football match followed by a meal out is sort of perfect for the times we're in.
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:41:10 AM
I haven't taken a yoke since I was 19. We're all in different Towns and countries. A game of five aside would be tough to organise.
One can just take the yoke by themselves and think the happy thoughts and feel the good vibes towards everything while alone. That is fine, too.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 01:42:39 AM
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
My point was about due process. The ability to send an innocent party to sleep with the drunks and lunatics in the cells. A person shouldn't have any right to do that. If the police don't believe that anything happened they shouldn't be obliged to make an arrest. Imagine if I had the right to send you to jail every time you intentionally misread one of my posts? You'd do more time than Charles Manson!
The missus is Spanish, I'll ask her about this law mañana. I wouldn't trust anything Vox says on any subject without being able to get a proper look at the facts. They make France's FN and UKIP look like liberals, much closer to the BNP in terms of "couldn't give a fuck about anything except flag waving and posturing" horseshit and systematically twist reality to fit their nightmare of a Spain that just isn't close enough to Franco's for their liking.
Zoom five aside, pills optional.
All I know about that law was what Kev posted. I know fuck all about Spanish law. I am working on implementing something called Mattermost. I could actually set up a server for us to video/ audio chat on. Actually a Jitsi meet would be better. Nobody would need to give out their email address.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 01:45:20 AM
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 01:41:10 AM
I haven't taken a yoke since I was 19. We're all in different Towns and countries. A game of five aside would be tough to organise.
One can just take the yoke by themselves and think the happy thoughts and feel the good vibes towards everything while alone. That is fine, too.
can we have songs of faith and devotion on a loop
Yes we can. Violator was mostly written in the early mornings at the tail end of yoke sessions, incidentally. That one is also loop worthy, as is Music for the Masses, Black Celebration and Some Great Reward.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 02:08:28 AM
Yes we can. Violator was mostly written in the early mornings at the tail end of yoke sessions, incidentally. That one is also loop worthy, as is Music for the Masses, Black Celebration and Some Great Reward.
of all the music made in drug decades, the 80s stuff holds the most water. one of my dreams is too hear music for the masses remade with modern instruments, like as a bonus disc for a 2021 repress
Should get a DM thread going here in the off topic, surprised there isn't one.
Came across this write up on my travels, and I'd love to hear what anyone thinks as to whether it sounds familiar...
http://www.hscentre.org/sub-saharan-africa/media-tool-war-propaganda-rwandan-genocide/
Vox are as distasteful to the left as Podemos (who are in government!) are to the right, I get it. But why is it stirring shit to ask that the law apply to both sexes? It doesn't take away the legal privilege women currently enjoy.
Take into account who reluctant any man would be to call the polis and say 'eh, Lola is after giving me a smack in the mouth there...'
I like to watch Good Morning Britain occasionally, and that horrible bitch Kate Smurthwaite making a 'swirling vortex' out of being called 'love' and 'darling' by shopkeepers.
Another thing, these buzzwords like 'agency', 'problematic', 'lived experience', I can't EVEN!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 08:10:09 AM
Vox are as distasteful to the left as Podemos (who are in government!) are to the right, I get it. But why is it stirring shit to ask that the law apply to both sexes? It doesn't take away the legal privilege women currently enjoy.
Take into account who reluctant any man would be to call the polis and say 'eh, Lola is after giving me a smack in the mouth there...'
I like to watch Good Morning Britain occasionally, and that horrible bitch Kate Smurthwaite making a 'swirling vortex' out of being called 'love' and 'darling' by shopkeepers.
Another thing, these buzzwords like 'agency', 'problematic', 'lived experience', I can't EVEN!
u ok hun
Quote from: mugz on June 10, 2020, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 08:10:09 AM
Vox are as distasteful to the left as Podemos (who are in government!) are to the right, I get it. But why is it stirring shit to ask that the law apply to both sexes? It doesn't take away the legal privilege women currently enjoy.
Take into account who reluctant any man would be to call the polis and say 'eh, Lola is after giving me a smack in the mouth there...'
I like to watch Good Morning Britain occasionally, and that horrible bitch Kate Smurthwaite making a 'swirling vortex' out of being called 'love' and 'darling' by shopkeepers.
Another thing, these buzzwords like 'agency', 'problematic', 'lived experience', I can't EVEN!
u ok hun
Comedy gold.
I have no idea who Kate Smurthwaite is and I've decided to stop looking up the problematic random nothings which apparently haunt your lived experience but not mine. You need to exercise some agency and keep away from things that trigger you :abbath:
I dunno which thread this belongs but People Before Profit want to have the monument to Christopher Columbus in Galway removed. It ties into the statue being fucked in the river in England. I'm conflicted, personally. Sure, he conducted himself fairly terribly in the New World but he made a huge contribution to the Age of Discovery. Curious to hear what ye think.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:28:56 AM
I dunno which thread this belongs but People Before Profit want to have the monument to Christopher Columbus in Galway removed. It ties into the statue being fucked in the river in England. I'm conflicted, personally. Sure, he conducted himself fairly terribly in the New World but he made a huge contribution to the Age of Discovery. Curious to hear what ye think.
Anything you think the Daily Mail could potentially lose their shit over belongs in this thread :abbath:
I actually have all of the answers to these questions, but I'm not telling you what they are. Ok, I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Shmo shmuck shmershmelf.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:28:56 AM
I dunno which thread this belongs but People Before Profit want to have the monument to Christopher Columbus in Galway removed. It ties into the statue being fucked in the river in England. I'm conflicted, personally. Sure, he conducted himself fairly terribly in the New World but he made a huge contribution to the Age of Discovery. Curious to hear what ye think.
Anything you think the Daily Mail could potentially lose their shit over belongs in this thread :abbath:
Aye, this thread has grown ridiculous legs.
It just gets worse....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-52978990
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 11:29:27 AM
It just gets worse....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-52978990
Which bit is the worse bit to you though? A tea brand following a trend (for whatever reason), consumers threatening to boycott a tea brand, or said tea brand replying, "Go ahead"? For the record, Yorkshire Tea is the best easily sourced tea to buy in the UK.
QuoteIt began when Laura Towler, a far-right vlogger based in Yorkshire, praised her local brand for not having voiced support for the movement.
Hahaha! What a spa. Between this and yer man on Twitter today scolding Tom Morello saying "I use to be a fan until your political opinions come out," it's a good day for idiots having shit blow up in their face.
The whole thing is pretty lame.
The worst part, which you are intelligent enough to see, but as usual pretend not to, is a tea company not wanting thought criminals to buy their product, a totally cringeworthy attempt to fawn over the cause du jour.
BLM don't have a monopoly on being anti-racist, and a case could be made for them having an anti-white agenda themselves. But that's not real racism.
Incidentally, I've just seen the map of racist statues that BLM want to tear down. What about your buddy, the racist, pro-slavery darling of the left? Should his statue be on the list? Strangely enough, it is not. Quelle surprise, copain!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
QuoteIt began when Laura Towler, a far-right vlogger based in Yorkshire, praised her local brand for not having voiced support for the movement.
Hahaha! What a spa. Between this and yer man on Twitter today scolding Tom Morello saying "I use to be a fan until your political opinions come out," it's a good day for idiots having shit blow up in their face.
Ahahaha, yeah someone replied to the ex-Morello fan by saying "did you think he was raging against the washing machine?" :laugh:
(or something to that effect).
Marketing over in Yorkshire Tea saw a great chance to score an open goal there, they don't care about the cause of the day, they care about sales. Now on twitter I see a lot of dopes buying boxes of it, uploading photos with the hashtag #solidaritea. Now that's cringe. Now if only these people realised these tea brand players don't give a damn about their workers in their own supply chains...but this thread is bloated enough as is :D
The price of RATM tickets you'd think they were arch capitalists!
Quote from: The Butcher on June 10, 2020, 11:56:13 AM
Marketing over in Yorkshire Tea saw a great chance to score an open goal there, they don't care about the cause of the day, they care about sales. Now on twitter I see a lot of dopes buying boxes of it, uploading photos with the hashtag #solidaritea. Now that's cringe. Now if only these people realised these tea brand players don't give a damn about their workers in their own supply chains...but this thread is bloated enough as is :D
the real shame is, I don't know if you guys have tried it, but yorkshire tea, the taylor's of harrogate stuff, is great. You never think you'll beat Lyon's gold blend, and then taylor's tea comes along.
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:28:56 AM
I dunno which thread this belongs but People Before Profit want to have the monument to Christopher Columbus in Galway removed. It ties into the statue being fucked in the river in England. I'm conflicted, personally. Sure, he conducted himself fairly terribly in the New World but he made a huge contribution to the Age of Discovery. Curious to hear what ye think.
Anything you think the Daily Mail could potentially lose their shit over belongs in this thread :abbath:
Aye, this thread has grown ridiculous legs.
u ok hun
QuoteThe worst part, which you are intelligent enough to see, but as usual pretend not to, is a tea company not wanting thought criminals to buy their product, a totally cringeworthy attempt to fawn over the cause du jour.
I'm very much anti-marketing, anti-advertising; it makes people stupid. But yer wan, like an idiot, obliged a company who hadn't said anything to take a stance. That was only ever going to go one way. I mean, c'mon.
QuoteIncidentally, I've just seen the map of racist statues that BLM want to tear down. What about your buddy, the racist, pro-slavery darling of the left? Should his statue be on the list? Strangely enough, it is not. Quelle surprise, copain!
Am I supposed to know who you're talking about??
Have to agree about the Yorkshire Tea quality by the way, it's an excellent cuppa. I get the mother to send me over Barry's every few months though, the tea available here is absolute pisswater. I've come across PG tips a few times, but it's not as nice.
Quote from: mugz on June 10, 2020, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:28:56 AM
I dunno which thread this belongs but People Before Profit want to have the monument to Christopher Columbus in Galway removed. It ties into the statue being fucked in the river in England. I'm conflicted, personally. Sure, he conducted himself fairly terribly in the New World but he made a huge contribution to the Age of Discovery. Curious to hear what ye think.
Anything you think the Daily Mail could potentially lose their shit over belongs in this thread :abbath:
Aye, this thread has grown ridiculous legs.
u ok hun
I am luv. Penneys tomorrow?
I'll give you a clue, Eric Hobsbawm and Fidel Castro were probably swayed by his arguments...
Big beard, couldn't look after himself? Father of a certain philosophy that Ash Sarkar and Owen Jones subscribe to enthusiastically.
And the reaction could have been 'we disavow this persons comment, we're apolitical and we don't approve of racism in any way'
But no 'you are a thought criminal if you don't support BLM'
Santa?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 12:28:25 PM
And the reaction could have been 'we disavow this persons comment, we're apolitical and we don't approve of racism in any way'
They decided the reaction they gave would lead to more sales. For a conservative, yer wan should have understood that is what they would do.
You think Marx was pro-slavery? That's a good one. Link me to an article where someone tries to assert that please, it will be a good excuse to revisit some of his lesser known texts on the Civil War, etc. And don't worry, your pals on the right do a wonderful job of endlessly defacing his tombstone in London, so if they get riled up too much by all of this they may take care of toppling the bust from it themselves. I won't get upset by that in the slightest, since his writings are the real monument ;)
This is fucking hilarious
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 10, 2020, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:28:56 AM
I dunno which thread this belongs but People Before Profit want to have the monument to Christopher Columbus in Galway removed. It ties into the statue being fucked in the river in England. I'm conflicted, personally. Sure, he conducted himself fairly terribly in the New World but he made a huge contribution to the Age of Discovery. Curious to hear what ye think.
Anything you think the Daily Mail could potentially lose their shit over belongs in this thread :abbath:
Aye, this thread has grown ridiculous legs.
u ok hun
I am luv. Penneys tomorrow?
rotfpml ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Here you go, there are many others. He also used the word 'n*****' on many occasions but that's ok because he was a man of his time. The left offers no such consideration for its enemies.
http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2015/04/marx-on-slavery-in-his-1846-letter-to.html?m=1
I've read the comments by the way so don't regurgitate, mon copain pierresgrises ;)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 12:48:05 PM
Here you go, there are many others. He also used the word 'n*****' on many occasions but that's ok because he was a man of his time. The left offers no such consideration for its enemies.
http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2015/04/marx-on-slavery-in-his-1846-letter-to.html?m=1
I thought you might have had something more interesting for me. Conveniently, that is explained in the very comments in the link you sent me.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 12:48:05 PM
Here you go, there are many others. He also used the word 'n*****' on many occasions but that's ok because he was a man of his time. The left offers no such consideration for its enemies.
http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2015/04/marx-on-slavery-in-his-1846-letter-to.html?m=1
I've read the comments by the way so don't regurgitate, mon copain pierresgrises ;)
we're a long way past all that now, it all reads very 200 years ago.
Lads ye are namedropping all of these thinkers all of the time, and while it displays your knowledge of the paragons of each sides ideologies, it does fuck all to further your arguments either way. These ideologues simply spout their shit on youtube or twitter and can cherry pick the things they want to respond to, to reinforce the things they are already saying. It isn't as if they are going to have any sort of meaningful discussion with any of us. Like I say something here, it can be argued for or against and perhaps even with the possibility of changing my mind about something. Fuck what these lads think, what do we all think ourselves? Can we look at anything without the blinkers of ideology and try to see it for what it is in practical terms?
The meat of the peacock is not in its' tail, to put it another way.
No, because Karl Marx said Mexicans were lazy, hated Jews and Blacks and Chris likes Marx therefore my ideology is the winner.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
Lads ye are namedropping all of these thinkers all of the time, and while it displays your knowledge of the paragons of each sides ideologies, it does fuck all to further your arguments either way. These ideologues simply spout their shit on youtube or twitter and can cherry pick the things they want to respond to, to reinforce the things they are already saying. It isn't as if they are going to have any sort of meaningful discussion with any of us. Like I say something here, it can be argued for or against and perhaps even with the possibility of changing my mind about something. Fuck what these lads think, what do we all think ourselves? Can we look at anything without the blinkers of ideology and try to see it for what it is in practical terms?
The meat of the peacock is not in its' tail, to put it another way.
in fairness it's a microcosm of social history how stuff that would have been way overboard and ridiculed in years past is now considered standard forum-fodder; constant internet access for late gen-x onwards has suddenly increased the word/idea/reference density of the internet. it's funny how the u ok hun crowd and anyone over 55 have fucked off completely to facebook, and the direction of the rest of the internet is re-aligning itself, what it should have been anyway.
wonder if pandemic has enabled this in some way
I wonder what would have become of George Floyd's death without the internet. Say there were eyewitnesses but no camera, would the cop have ended up charged with murder?
And now, looking at how it is turning out, would things be better if we'd all never heard about it outside of Minneapolis? Like it gets in their local paper and they deal with it on a local level and we never know any more of it any more than we all know about the latest incident between police and some minority in Chattanooga or Wichita? I think there is a strong case that it would be better if we all didn't know.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 01:28:09 PM
I wonder what would have become of George Floyd's death without the internet. Say there were eyewitnesses but no camera, would the cop have ended up charged with murder?
And now, looking at how it is turning out, would things be better if we'd all never heard about it outside of Minneapolis? Like it gets in their local paper and they deal with it on a local level and we never know any more of it any more than we all know about the latest incident between police and some minority in Chattanooga or Wichita? I think there is a strong case that it would be better if we all didn't know.
that would be the rationale for giving 2 narratives for every media conjuration; eventually believers and unbelievers will beg alike to be given a superficial reality to work in. they lie because they know most of us couldn't handle how things are.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 01:08:05 PM
No, because Karl Marx said Mexicans were lazy, hated Jews and Blacks and Chris likes Marx therefore my ideology is the winner.
:laugh:
I don't know of the Mexican references, but "On the Jewish Question" is recommended albeit challenging reading (as is Sartre's Reflections on the Jewish Question, situated slap bang in the context of French occupation...apologies for the extra name-drop astfglyfdmlkf). Since these guys were absolutely soaked in Hegel's dialectical philosophy (shit, there I go again) during their education, taking only the surface value is literally like thinking Animal Farm is just a kind of dark children's book about some animals who take over a farm. That's not to say Marx didn't hold prejudices, I'd be more surprised if he didn't, but folk who scrape the surface and present just that (i.e. with no deeper contextualisation at all) as proof of this, that, or the other, well, they fall into one of two camps: either not very well-informed on the norms of 19th century German philosophy, or very disingenuous. Which make nice analogues for the two camps into which fall folk who say systemic racism doesn't exist: those who don't know how to look for it, and those who know it's there but benefit off saying it isn't.
Yeah but why don't you just call Marx and Engels for what they were (granted, among other things), racists?
Sticks in the craw, doesn't it?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569317.2019.1548094
No need to apologise, blak shperder. I'm a big fan of both Saritery and Marexs. I must look into Heegeel though I know fuck all about her or any of the other great swiss philosophiserents.
What a beautiful Train.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 02:14:40 PM
No need to apologise, blak shperder. I'm a big fan of both Saritery and Marexs. I must look into Heegeel though I know fuck all about her or any of the other great swiss philosophiserents.
What a beautiful Train.
u ok hun x
I'm ok thanks hun, I didn't take my yoke this morning is all
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 02:23:30 PM
I'm ok thanks hun, I didn't take my yoke this morning is all
u jus liv youre life hun yeh darrylls got sum yokes frm yer man from dat estate in kltipper u no dat lad
Ah tanx your a pet. I have a few left but i cant take em when im on me period they alwyz make me get 2 into playing Think Tank Top Trumps on forums
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 02:00:37 PM
Yeah but why don't you just call Marx and Engels for what they were (granted, among other things), racists?
Sticks in the craw, doesn't it?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569317.2019.1548094
It may disappoint you to know that I don't have a poster of Marx in my bedroom wall, or Marx bed sheets. Marx the man could be a racist without that affecting his critique of capitalism. The same would be difficult to say if he was pro-slavery. He may have been more anti-wage slavery than anti-direct slavery, I'd have to investigate. But Marx is interesting for things unaffected by whether he was a racist or not. Malcolm X, in his early days at least, was a racist, but he still made some very pertinent analyses that can be treated on their own terms without losing all reason over his anti-white racism.
Marx was a traveller
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 02:32:32 PM
Ah tanx your a pet. I have a few left but i cant take em when im on me period they alwyz make me get 2 into playing Think Tank Top Trumps on forums
ah dats shite 4 u hun did u here dat wan frm drndales afta loosin hur 2 angles 2 de sowshull cos der da fed dem yokes instedve der quiet pils
wat de fuk is he loike i was ragin dem yokes were deer an all
This whole thread has moved in such a way I barely know what to even reply to any more and by the time I see a point I want to make, the post is about three pages behind where I am so there's no point. But it's been a good read lol
But revisiting the protests in the US, to keep it mildly topical - I see the protestors in Seattle have claimed about six blocks in the middle of the city as an autonomous zone, they're setting up barricades and the businesses have agreed to let it happen. Off to find more as it's an interesting development in things. A few details here: https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/welcome-to-free-capitol-hill-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-forms-around-emptied-east-precinct/ - some information and gives a few links to tweets that can otherwise be followed for more info if you feel like having a look.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 10, 2020, 02:49:55 PM
Marx was a traveller
ah hayurr shurrup yew ye tick dat mark lads sowund yer wan loraine sed dat he sed ur a cunt cos u sed u gav sum yokes 2 stevn walsh nd dey wer shite an al
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 02:00:37 PM
Yeah but why don't you just call Marx and Engels for what they were (granted, among other things), racists?
Sticks in the craw, doesn't it?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569317.2019.1548094
It may disappoint you to know that I don't have a poster of Marx in my bedroom wall, or Marx bed sheets. Marx the man could be a racist without that affecting his critique of capitalism. The same would be difficult to say if he was pro-slavery. He may have been more anti-wage slavery than anti-direct slavery, I'd have to investigate. But Marx is interesting for things unaffected by whether he was a racist or not. Malcolm X, in his early days at least, was a racist, but he still made some very pertinent analyses that can be treated on their own terms without losing all reason over his anti-white racism.
Prost! A salud! I couldn't agree with you more!
I'm pointing out the double standard of tearing down Stonewall Jackson (a gifted commander who happened to fight for the Confederates) or universities renaming 'Gladstone Halls' because his FATHER owned slaves. Sin cannot be inherited! He was Britain's greatest liberal Prime Minister!
But auld Karly is off limits? I don't think any statues should be torn down (although that Leopold one in Brussels, he was a 25 carat bastard, so maybe some), but it seems like a one way street. Marxs ideas influenced people and set things in motion which led to atrocious body counts. Over 100 million. Probably worse than slavery.
I've always wondered if he or Gavrilo Princip had the power of foresight, would they have published/pulled the trigger respectively? I'd like to think that they would not have.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 02:00:37 PM
Yeah but why don't you just call Marx and Engels for what they were (granted, among other things), racists?
Sticks in the craw, doesn't it?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569317.2019.1548094
It may disappoint you to know that I don't have a poster of Marx in my bedroom wall, or Marx bed sheets. Marx the man could be a racist without that affecting his critique of capitalism. The same would be difficult to say if he was pro-slavery. He may have been more anti-wage slavery than anti-direct slavery, I'd have to investigate. But Marx is interesting for things unaffected by whether he was a racist or not. Malcolm X, in his early days at least, was a racist, but he still made some very pertinent analyses that can be treated on their own terms without losing all reason over his anti-white racism.
Prost! A salud! I couldn't agree with you more!
I'm pointing out the double standard of tearing down Stonewall Jackson (a gifted commander who happened to fight for the Confederates) or universities renaming 'Gladstone Halls' because his FATHER owned slaves. Sin cannot be inherited! He was Britain's greatest liberal Prime Minister!
But auld Karly is off limits? I don't think any statues should be torn down (although that Leopold one in Brussels, he was a 25 carat bastard, so maybe some), but it seems like a one way street. Marxs ideas influenced people and set things in motion which led to atrocious body counts. Over 100 million. Probably worse than slavery.
I've always wondered if he or Gavrilo Princip had the power of foresight, would they have published/pulled the trigger respectively? I'd like to think that they would not have.
sin is definitely inheritable
Like that original sin we all start out with. No avoiding that.
A statue of Columbus was indeed taken down today. And set on fire and thrown in a lake, in Virginia.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 04:02:26 PM
Like that original sin we all start out with. No avoiding that.
well guilt is a good control mechanism
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
A statue of Columbus was indeed taken down today. And set on fire and thrown in a lake, in Virginia.
The former Manowar drummer? This is shit!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 10, 2020, 04:18:27 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
A statue of Columbus was indeed taken down today. And set on fire and thrown in a lake, in Virginia.
The former Manowar drummer? This is shit!
And he was fucking left handed!!!
'Every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right'
Time for a few people to reread that book.
That's Danielle Steel, I'd recognise her style a mile off.
Seriously though, it's all going a bit that way and everybody seems powerless to put a stop to it. What do these people think will happen once the statues are torn down and the streets renamed. Will everyone just be like one big happy family then? It seems a bit like a teenager trashing their room, the mentality of it. Will it be the case that the protesters will tire of it all and look around at the shit they've just made of everything and clean it up?
I think these people are idiots, whatever justifications they make for their cause.
Quote from: ochoill on June 10, 2020, 02:54:02 PM
This whole thread has moved in such a way I barely know what to even reply to any more and by the time I see a point I want to make, the post is about three pages behind where I am so there's no point. But it's been a good read lol
But revisiting the protests in the US, to keep it mildly topical - I see the protestors in Seattle have claimed about six blocks in the middle of the city as an autonomous zone, they're setting up barricades and the businesses have agreed to let it happen. Off to find more as it's an interesting development in things. A few details here: https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/welcome-to-free-capitol-hill-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-forms-around-emptied-east-precinct/ - some information and gives a few links to tweets that can otherwise be followed for more info if you feel like having a look.
It's funny looking at the pictures on there how the crowd seems to be predominantly white, while the people with the microphones are all black.
Get on your knees, whitey
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 04:56:51 PM
That's Danielle Steel, I'd recognise her style a mile off.
Seriously though, it's all going a bit that way and everybody seems powerless to put a stop to it. What do these people think will happen once the statues are torn down and the streets renamed. Will everyone just be like one big happy family then? It seems a bit like a teenager trashing their room, the mentality of it. Will it be the case that the protesters will tire of it all and look around at the shit they've just made of everything and clean it up?
I think these people are idiots, whatever justifications they make for their cause.
the borg don't/doesn't really a motive other than combining immortality with passive sentience, machine humans, human machines, endlessly taking new forms while actually being completely mundane.
the question isn't why are they doing this, as they themselves have no answer, but rather how can the minority who find this world becoming pretty awful, find solace
Gone with the Wind purged by HBO.
I mean, FFS.
This is only the beginning.
Common sense has now gone with the wind.
On your fucking knees
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 05:13:32 PM
Gone with the Wind purged by HBO.
I mean, FFS.
Quotewhen the film returns to HBO Max, it "will return with a discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions," and will be presented "as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."
Since you quoted good old George up there, we all agree he wouldn't be in favour of how a certain element of the liberals go about things when they are offended, but, honestly, how do you think he would feel about Vox, given whose side he fought on in the Spanish Civil War? Or about Trump, given the importance he laid on how English should be wielded politically? By all means use Orwell to criticize liberal censorship, but only if you're going to cast that lens universally, for pity's sake. We're in the polarized state we're in precisely because conservatives are capable of unironically rolling out 1984 to criticize only one side of things!
Netflix just pulled The League of Gentlemen. I'm as left leaning as anyone but this is ridiculous.
https://www.nme.com/news/tv/netflix-pulls-the-league-of-gentlemen-from-its-platform-over-blackface-character-2685323?fbclid=IwAR16zfnVFweMN5ytEFTu2dzpw3m9H5PQHf-tRuvDQlyLawlBrVIfB7Qa14k
Little Britain taken down too.
The quote is apt considering the insanity that is gripping the world. Why on earth should I cast the lens universally? What the fuck are you on about? I'm not allowed to quote Orwell because I'm a conservative? 1984 has been one of my favourite books for 25 years, and I've read every single thing the man has put in print. Unironically? Man, I normally enjoy this but that pissed me off.
Feel free to make your own points about Trump or Vox or whatever, I'm using that quote to show the foresight the book had related to this hyper-woke craziness.
You never acknowledge any point I make for which you have no answer, you answer the ones you've managed to knock up a quick link for, and you deliberately misconstrue the quote I've put up.
Regarding Vox, they are a conservative nationalist party in a country to which I have little allegiance, I just happen to agree with them on a few issues, I stray from the party line quite frequently.
I saw a video the other day (might have been on here?) and it was a bunch of white people kneeling down, heads down in front of a group of black people, a number of the black people in tears..
One black guy had a microphone and was calling out a line and they were repeating it. But it was like 'i promise from this day forward, to do my best.. to stop racist etc etc, and to accept that i am part of the reason/cause.. etc etc
Like what in the actual fuck are they at... a load of dramatic bullshit.
I take it the indian character in Short Circuit means that film is on the censor list?
Pity, cause he was really funny.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 05:30:38 PM
The quote is apt considering the insanity that is gripping the world. Why on earth should I cast the lens universally? What the fuck are you on about? I'm not allowed to quote Orwell because I'm a conservative? 1984 has been one of my favourite books for 25 years, and I've read every single thing the man has put in print. Unironically? Man, I normally enjoy this but that pissed me off.
Feel free to make your own points about Trump or Vox or whatever, I'm using that quote to show the foresight the book had related to this hyper-woke craziness.
You never acknowledge any point I make for which you have no answer, you answer the ones you've managed to knock up a quick link for, and you deliberately misconstrue the quote I've put up.
Regarding Vox, they are a conservative nationalist party in a country to which I have little allegiance, I just happen to agree with them on a few issues, I stray from the party line quite frequently.
Orwell applies to any totalitarian power grab, left or right, woke or not. You cast yourself as a caricature of the conservative, down to the tabloid anecdotes, but the conservatives in power would and have done worse in terms of censorship and control than any on the left. So, in terms of power seeking, Orwell is good for critiquing everyone equally, or else he is wielded against his own stance. That's what I mean. Tabloid journalism, left or right, manipulates.
'Orwell' applies to...? Are you taking the piss? He was an author, not a philosophy, but I suppose you'll claim that my reading of him is superficial, according to my political persuasion. Who is 'grabbing power' at the moment? I fail to see what your argument is, considering, and again, your deliberately playing the eloquent daft wee laddie, acting as if you can't see the clear as day context. It's like arguing with a particularly obstinate reeled in trout, who just slips and jumps all over the place, refusing to accept the reality in front of it.
Caricature? Nice touch, a bit Brentesque given your reputation!
Do you honestly believe Trump, Johnson or whomever (what have they censored, exactly?) you're referring to as THE CONSERVATIVES are comparable to this extremist madness? Lad, wake up! There's no defending this, except from ideologues like you, Don Lemon etc. Taking down films and TV Shows for being retrospectively offensive? Big Don has his faults, but he's not the witch finder general like these lunatics.
Read about Matthew Hopkins. That's what happens when maniacs aren't resisted.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on June 10, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
I take it the indian character in Short Circuit means that film is on the censor list?
Pity, cause he was really funny.
in the sequel, he'd grown up, lost his enthusiasm etc, kinda sad to see
I've said it here a good few times, and I generally like the idea of socialism, but the left and the right are as bad as each other and despite being supposed polar opposites on the face of it they have almost undergone some sort of role reversal. The militant nature of both just makes them two sides of the same coin.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
I've said it here a good few times, and I generally like the idea of socialism, but the left and the right are as bad as each other and despite being supposed polar opposites on the face of it they have almost undergone some sort of role reversal. The militant nature of both just makes them two sides of the same coin.
your reasonableness algorithm has squeezed all content out of this paragraph
Quote from: mugz on June 10, 2020, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on June 10, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
I take it the indian character in Short Circuit means that film is on the censor list?
Pity, cause he was really funny.
in the sequel, he'd grown up, lost his enthusiasm etc, kinda sad to see
The sequel needed Steve Gutenberg back.
Although that kicking Johnny 5 got was brutal for a kids film.
Twas nearly as bad as Murphy got in Robocop
Quote from: astfgyl on June 10, 2020, 06:15:22 PM
Twas nearly as bad as Murphy got in Robocop
at the time it was genuinely quite intense, no idea if it would raise an eyebrow these days
Suppose it's only a matter of time before they go after Tropic Thunder
Never go full retard
It seems a lot of folks in the states and the rest of those countries in thrall to them have not heeded that advice
They´ re banning this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ntstVm8b8 Never saw it until now, actually a bit of craic.
I wonder when the book burnings will start? They´ re probably too crafty and media aware to allow themselves be seen doing it the cunts. Where does it stop, Lolita, Huckleberry Finn, Conan the Barbarian, anything that might have a slightly out of date way of representing race and culture or questionable morals despite the fact that it´ s fiction and grown adult are meant to be able to distinguish between real life and fiction. The lunatics are taking over the asylum.
They banned Gone with the wind too despite Hattie McDaniel winning an oscar for best supporting actress, the first African American woman to do so..but she´ s probably been confined to the annals of history as some sort of Uncle Tom or whatever underhanded, resentful phrase they can come up for anyone who is successful.
If you don't like it, act. Nothing has been banned, this is just corporations doing what they see as strategic audience flattering. If the government were imposing the ban (as was the case in the past with Lolita, Huckleberry Finn, etc.), that would be a different thing. So get everyone who disagrees to cancel their Netflix and understand that it's purely a marketing move ultimately aimed at maintaining and generating revenue. If you can rally up enough cancellations, they'll roll back. Meantime, you can still download pretty much anything you want with little to no effort.
I'm not "defending" censorship of anything. If HBO want to contextualize Gone With The Wind while leaving the work itself intact, grand. If Netflix want to pull something from their roster, I don't care, I'm not a client. That's how they see all of us: customer or not customer. That's it, full stop. They love that people see them as something more! But they're not more than that. They're just acting to get new customers, just like Ben & Jerry's "blackwashing" while tacitly supporting annexation in Palestine. Praising them or condemning them for "censoring" is exactly the noise they want right now.
Yes, definitely agree for the most part, though not on the Gone With The Wind thing. Again, it´ s all a little too easily explained in that way. So definitely these companies Netflix etc, it´ s nasty, opportunistic, virtue signalling and while Banning might not be at government level, it´ s starting to be such a widespread marketing tool by these companies, that it is far more than simply taking stuff down. They imply that these actors and show writers had racist intent, and you would hope that someone big enough is going to get deplatformed or pulled or ` banned´ , someone with money to take one of these scumbag companies to court.
But yes, it´ s all marketing, be it Yorkshire Tea or Netflix, whatever. I don´ t have Netflix and I will continue to watch their stuff illegally after this :laugh:
The gas thing is, is Jeff Bezos and these arseholes are all coming out at the moment with their virtue signalling and if that man wanted to he could probably solve Minneapolis´ issues tomorrow. If Google, Amazon, Facebook etc etc etc all paid the correct taxes that they should be paying in their countries they would contribute hugely, the trickle down would be immense. We get obsessed with it in Ireland, but the problem is is that we´ re simply a hub. The money should be going back into the UK, for example, where most sales come from. Now, the irony is that Trump is the only one who has even broached the subject about the offshore money that should be going back into the American economy, but he´ ll never get the credit for it.
Right. So either act, or say nothing. Because if you make a lot of noise about "banning" (which isn't happening; from their point of view they're literally just discontinuing a product) but there's no mass walk away action, then you're actually and inadvertently contributing to what you're decrying.
You are right, and I don't believe any of the suits making these decisions give a fiddlers fart about it, and HR will run up a 'statement' later about such-and-such not being in line with the 'values' of the company.
You are also right about downloading, although I'm forbidden from doing that on the computer at home, so I do use Netflix and HBO, Amazon etc. I also don't care whether or not I can watch 'Gone with the Wind' as such, but it's the principal.
The troubling issue is where this is going to end, and that as there is little or no resistance to their demands,?why should they stop making more? That fucking DiBlasio renaming streets (plural!) Black Lives Matter Street? Hi, he can fuck off with that, it would have been unthinkable a few weeks ago. George Floyd was a career criminal who once held a gun to pregnant woman's belly. By all accounts not a good fella, none of which excuses his murder, but you'd swear it was the Dalai Lama who got choked to death. He's been given multiple quasi-state funerals, and he's now a martyr to the BLM cause, and they'll milk it as long as they are allowed to.
It's like Scotland in the 1630s and 40's, it's effectively a religion now, a cult. And the leaders over there are just greasing up their arseholes and saying 'come ahead'.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 07:54:53 PM
Right. So either act, or say nothing. Because if you make a lot of noise about "banning" (which isn't happening; from their point of view they're literally just discontinuing a product) but there's no mass walk away action, then you're actually and inadvertently contributing to what you're decrying.
I edited my post. I don´t think it´ s quite as easy as you´ re making it out to be. These companies hold great power in the world now. What they are implying is not being challenged, not enough people are able to see through the charade, they are dangerous, and ignorant with their actions. It´ s all very reactionary and there seems to be little thought put into anything they decide to do. Again, I take your points, they´ re all very fair, as I said I won´ t be paying Netflix, and certainly I have been and will continue to bring people in my surroundings over to my way of thinking. I think you might be expecting a lot though, these companies hold giant monopolies now over content and there doesn´ t seem to be any standard they are held to. It probably rolls back into the original idea behind this thread in the first place.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 10, 2020, 07:20:57 PM
They´ re banning this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ntstVm8b8 Never saw it until now, actually a bit of craic.
I wonder when the book burnings will start? They´ re probably too crafty and media aware to allow themselves be seen doing it the cunts. Where does it stop, Lolita, Huckleberry Finn, Conan the Barbarian, anything that might have a slightly out of date way of representing race and culture or questionable morals despite the fact that it´ s fiction and grown adult are meant to be able to distinguish between real life and fiction. The lunatics are taking over the asylum.
They banned Gone with the wind too despite Hattie McDaniel winning an oscar for best supporting actress, the first African American woman to do so..but she´ s probably been confined to the annals of history as some sort of Uncle Tom or whatever underhanded, resentful phrase they can come up for anyone who is successful.
chris lilley did some great stuff in the late 00s, all over bbc3 at the time, kind of surprising given how sharp he is in his caricatures
ronny chieng did something similar more recently and it was pretty good really
I'm not expecting anything. I think very few people care enough to cancel their precious subscriptions, and these companies know this, which is why they're throwing out such small tokens; because it makes them look great almost for free. But those throwing up their arms are only helping to spread the free advertising. Soon enough a channel will spring up to cater to the taboo/reap the benefits by playing the counter, and at worst we'll have a new The People versus Larry Flint on our hands. But as you said, nothing is done about porn, so there's no reason to believe any level of genuine state censorship is en route anywhere in the west
When the inevitable backlash comes from all of this cynical virtue signalling, it'll be interesting to see which companies are left standing. It's awful carry on. Meaningless beyond words, really.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 07:58:50 PM
You are right, and I don't believe any of the suits making these decisions give a fiddlers fart about it, and HR will run up a 'statement' later about such-and-such not being in line with the 'values' of the company.
You are also right about downloading, although I'm forbidden from doing that on the computer at home, so I do use Netflix and HBO, Amazon etc. I also don't care whether or not I can watch 'Gone with the Wind' as such, but it's the principal.
The troubling issue is where this is going to end, and that as there is little or no resistance to their demands,?why should they stop making more? That fucking DiBlasio renaming streets (plural!) Black Lives Matter Street? Hi, he can fuck off with that, it would have been unthinkable a few weeks ago. George Floyd was a career criminal who once held a gun to pregnant woman's belly. By all accounts not a good fella, none of which excuses his murder, but you'd swear it was the Dalai Lama who got choked to death. He's been given multiple quasi-state funerals, and he's now a martyr to the BLM cause, and they'll milk it as long as they are allowed to.
It's like Scotland in the 1630s and 40's, it's effectively a religion now, a cult. And the leaders over there are just greasing up their arseholes and saying 'come ahead'.
if you were looking carefully you'd see a gold coffin too small to hold a well built man of 6ft 7" height.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 07:54:53 PM
Right. So either act, or say nothing. Because if you make a lot of noise about "banning" (which isn't happening; from their point of view they're literally just discontinuing a product) but there's no mass walk away action, then you're actually and inadvertently contributing to what you're decrying.
That is a decent point. I give out shit about this sort of thing yet I still pay netflix the tenner a month, so who is the real asshole here?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 08:08:08 PM
I'm not expecting anything. I think very few people care enough to cancel their precious subscriptions, and these companies know this, which is why they're throwing out such small tokens; because it makes them look great almost for free. But those throwing up their arms are only helping to spread the free advertising. Soon enough a channel will spring up to cater to the taboo/reap the benefits by playing the counter, and at worst we'll have a new The People versus Larry Flint on our hands. But as you said, nothing is done about porn, so there's no reason to believe any level of genuine state censorship is en route anywhere in the west
Again, I agree. I would be less worried about the actual content itself, however. As you say, all of this stuff will be available online, you would imagine.
And here we get to what I suppose I´ m really talking about which is the implication for art and expression. This reinforcing of cancel culture, the idea that a company has the ability and right to, at the very least, imply that the content makers were being homophobic or racist or whatever. It´ s a slippery slope and in the last few years it has gone from something that was used sporadically to a daily occurrence. I go back to the Metoo movement..public trials and hangings of people´ s characters. And here we have more of it except this time it´ s in relation to race. Now, obviously nobody is being beaten up or physically hurt, but, with all the emphasis we have started to put on bullying and all that stuff in school, it is too easy to simply brush it off as something that someone will just get over. How do the makers of Little Britain feel tonight, how many people are effing them out of it online right now? Strange, strange stuff and almost impossible to defend yourself or regain your career once you are smeared in that way. So, I don´ t see it as quite as mild or passive an action or as easy a solution as just cancelling a subscription. It´ s dangerous, it has knock on effects.
Finally, I would add that your previous response is so influenced by Capitalism and the Free Market, that I did a double take on reading your username. Shame on you :laugh: :abbath:
Quote from: Pedrito on June 10, 2020, 08:21:50 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 08:08:08 PM
I'm not expecting anything. I think very few people care enough to cancel their precious subscriptions, and these companies know this, which is why they're throwing out such small tokens; because it makes them look great almost for free. But those throwing up their arms are only helping to spread the free advertising. Soon enough a channel will spring up to cater to the taboo/reap the benefits by playing the counter, and at worst we'll have a new The People versus Larry Flint on our hands. But as you said, nothing is done about porn, so there's no reason to believe any level of genuine state censorship is en route anywhere in the west
Again, I agree. I would be less worried about the actual content itself, however. As you say, all of this stuff will be available online, you would imagine.
And here we get to what I suppose I´ m really talking about which is the implication for art and expression. This reinforcing of cancel culture, the idea that a company has the ability and right to, at the very least, imply that the content makers were being homophobic or racist or whatever. It´ s a slippery slope and in the last few years it has gone from something that was used sporadically to a daily occurrence. I go back to the Metoo movement..public trials and hangings of people´ s characters. And here we have more of it except this time it´ s in relation to race. Now, obviously nobody is being beaten up or physically hurt, but, with all the emphasis we have started to put on bullying and all that stuff in school, it is too easy to simply brush it off as something that someone will just get over. How do the makers of Little Britain feel tonight, how many people are effing them out of it online right now? Strange, strange stuff and almost impossible to defend yourself or regain your career once you are smeared in that way. So, I don´ t see it as quite as mild or passive an action or as easy a solution as just cancelling a subscription. It´ s dangerous, it has knock on effects.
Finally, I would add that your previous response is so influenced by Capitalism and the Free Market, that I did a double take on reading your username. Shame on you :laugh: :abbath:
all the content on the streaming services is built by AI already, it's just automatic culture
Built by AI or not (if we're not there yet, it's coming), it's 99% product already. In other words, a tiny fraction of what we're talking about is "art".
Art has largely become a self indulgent, narcissistic exercise in saying absolutely nothing through stylised and impenetrable jargon. Hopefully when the kickback to this ultra progressive mindset comes we'll start to see a return to art with substance, or at least more of an emphasis from galleries in displaying work with actual merit.
I used to love going to galleries but I've become so bored by so much of what I see in them that my enthusiasm is all but spent. There is great stuff being made, and you catch an occasional glimpse of it among the detritus, but it's few and far between.
I went to art college and spent several years baffled and confused by what was going on there. It's only in recent years I've understood why it was so difficult to get any sort of grip on what was happening around me at the time- I didn't understand the post-modern concepts that I was running up against. I hated it in retrospect, but was too young and clueless (even moreso than now believe it or not) to even have any understanding of how to fight against it.
And to think, all I had to do was take my cock out and it would have been considered art! And that's not just a commentary on how beautiful my cock is, which it is as well.
So we have governments/corporations jumping onboard the race question to both market themselves as squeaky clean as possible (with the benefit of data behind them knowing it's an easy win - Gone With The Wind is a great example of this from the corporate side of things) but more importantly it keeps the debate away from diving into the crux of the matter — the failures of neoliberal economics (poverty, unlivable wages, massive wealth inequality, poor schools, lack of development into community led projects, collapsing infrastructure etc etc) The US is suckered within a money-rotted political system which is totally incapable of offering sound leadership (in either party). Both sides are being manipulated by weakening the social fabric so that oligarchs can continue to consolidate their power. Part of the reason why we need to start breaking up/regulating big tech and to put them under the microscope more as society becomes further entwined into the digital landscape, we should not accept their "algorithms of fairness".
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 10, 2020, 08:46:11 PM
Art has largely become a self indulgent, narcissistic exercise in saying absolutely nothing through stylised and impenetrable jargon. Hopefully when the kickback to this ultra progressive mindset comes we'll start to see a return to art with substance, or at least more of an emphasis from galleries in displaying work with actual merit.
I used to love going to galleries but I've become so bored by so much of what I see on them that my enthusiasm is all but spent. There is great stuff being made, and you catch an occasional glimpse of it among the detritus, but it's few and far between.
I went to art college and spent several years baffled and confused by what was going on there. It's only in recent years I've understood why it was so difficult to get any sort of grip on what was happening around me at the time- I didn't understand the post-modern concepts that I was running up against. I hated it in retrospect, but was too young and clueless (even moreso than now believe it or not) to even have any understanding of how to fight against it.
And to think, all I had to do was take my cock out and it would have been considered art! And that's not just a commentary on how beautiful my cock is, which it is as well.
it is indeed, cheers for the photos
Quote from: The Butcher on June 10, 2020, 08:47:26 PM
So we have governments/corporations jumping onboard the race question to both market themselves as squeaky clean as possible (with the benefit of data behind them knowing it's an easy win - Gone With The Wind is a great example of this from the corporate side of things) but more importantly it keeps the debate away from diving into the crux of the matter — the failures of neoliberal economics (poverty, unlivable wages, massive wealth inequality, poor schools, lack of development into community led projects, collapsing infrastructure etc etc) The US is suckered within a money-rotted political system which is totally incapable of offering sound leadership (in either party). Both sides are being manipulated by weakening the social fabric so that oligarchs can continue to consolidate their power. Part of the reason why we need to start breaking up/regulating big tech and to put them under the microscope more as society becomes further entwined into the digital landscape, we should not accept their "algorithms of fairness".
Yep, tax these billionaires who enigmatically swan through the world, not as mere citizens, but demigods.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 10, 2020, 08:21:50 PM
Again, I agree. I would be less worried about the actual content itself, however. As you say, all of this stuff will be available online, you would imagine.
And here we get to what I suppose I´ m really talking about which is the implication for art and expression. This reinforcing of cancel culture, the idea that a company has the ability and right to, at the very least, imply that the content makers were being homophobic or racist or whatever. It´ s a slippery slope and in the last few years it has gone from something that was used sporadically to a daily occurrence. I go back to the Metoo movement..public trials and hangings of people´ s characters. And here we have more of it except this time it´ s in relation to race. Now, obviously nobody is being beaten up or physically hurt, but, with all the emphasis we have started to put on bullying and all that stuff in school, it is too easy to simply brush it off as something that someone will just get over. How do the makers of Little Britain feel tonight, how many people are effing them out of it online right now? Strange, strange stuff and almost impossible to defend yourself or regain your career once you are smeared in that way. So, I don´ t see it as quite as mild or passive an action or as easy a solution as just cancelling a subscription. It´ s dangerous, it has knock on effects.
Pedro, we'll keep you around! You go into greater detail than I could and express my thoughts exactly the way I'd like to.
I remember on MI when the annual showing of Gone With the Wind in some town in America was cancelled cos of this issue and indeed Aul Shep said very similar to what he said here but along the lines that there was no reason to be getting worked up cos of something so irrelevant as it wasn't a mainstream concern. I said wait and see, and now it most certainly is a mainstream concern. Without getting into a back and forth again, Pedro encapsulates my views on the issue absolutely spot on. This censorship direction is exactly as expected and all the more frightening for it.
If you like, okay, it's gone mainstream... but it's still being used as a distraction. Consumption is continuing good-o and HBO and Netflix and whoever else are discontinuing a product or two are banking on benefiting from it. The real problem with the streaming services is the real problem that was there with TV: they're full of intelligence destroying shit, designed in the most cynical manner possible, just as most TV has been since the 50s. Little Britain is the very blueprint for mass consumable comedy, with it's massive repetition, catchphrases, etc., etc. I'm not saying it should be censored, I'm saying the fact that it didn't sink into obscurity on its own merits is a reflection of how low the collective conscience has its bar set. And that bar is set. The population is set up to consume and it does that to perfection, getting distracted (this is what mugz has been repeating and that part is bang on the money) by all sorts of things that make individuals feel like they can control things, because they have a voice. But they consume and consume and as long as they keep doing that they can argue about whatever they like. They are being kept mentally dumb. Hicks saw it, Chomsky saw it, Debord saw it, Marx predicted it. Nothing else matters except to keep the machine turning; green washing, black washing, the corporations will do and say whatever they think will maximize sales. People rejoicing and people lamenting at the removal of something which was made as product from an outlet are both falling into the same trap. Here's what streaming services are all about, with more or less sugar per shit sandwich depending on what you watch, but the shit is almost invariably there, even in the shows that I switch off to (and I know that that is exactly what I'm doing most of the time I watch a TV show or a mainstream movie; switching off):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mgn-fXZRiM
I'm only using Gone With the Wind as a symbol for the way I see censorship going. It makes no odds to me what gets "discontinued" as you call it. (That term I think is a bit disingenuous too but leaving that aside, and I agree with you in terms of TV being dumbed down etc. etc.) My point, and indeed worry, is that this is the start of more artistic expression, be that in music, literature, whatever, being censored in the future.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 10, 2020, 05:51:54 PM
Do you honestly believe Trump, Johnson or whomever (what have they censored, exactly?) you're referring to as THE CONSERVATIVES are comparable to this extremist madness? Lad, wake up! There's no defending this, except from ideologues like you, Don Lemon etc. Taking down films and TV Shows for being retrospectively offensive? Big Don has his faults, but he's not the witch finder general like these lunatics.
Read about Matthew Hopkins. That's what happens when maniacs aren't resisted.
I get where you're coming from but Trump and to a lesser extent Johnson are definitely comparable to this extremist madness. These nuts have got films banned but Trump and Johnson have cost thousands upon thousands of lives in the last few weeks by totally fucking up their response to Covid-19. Yes censorship is wrong, dying is worse.
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 10, 2020, 09:55:35 PM
These nuts have got films banned but Trump and Johnson have cost thousands upon thousands of lives in the last few weeks by totally fucking up their response to Covid-19. Yes censorship is wrong, dying is worse.
So did the leaders of China, Turkey, Spain, Sweden, Italy..............
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_States
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Canada
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
Have a look. Essentially nothing that could be called an artistic endeavour is banned today. Censorship was far, far worse in the past, in more conservative times. Media outlets may decide not to show something, but there is almost nothing that you are not allowed purchase and watch in private, meaning not censored. Screening decisions today are made on the basis of risk-benefit with a view to revenue and nothing else.
Straw Dogs, Texas Chainsaw etc were banned cos they were "shocking", this new censorship isn't coming from that place so I don't think it's a fair comparison.
Ah Jaysus, forgot about Reservoir Dogs and Natural Born Killers. And that was the 90s! but again, that was down to shock factor.
It's not just films though is it? It's dissent, non-culturally mainstream opinions. Not legally 'banned', obviously, but to all intents and purposes. Who was that guy who was crucified for having a David Irving book on his bookshelf in the background on a zoom call? I can't mind the lads name, but the point stands. Anyone in their right mind knows that David Irving is a debunked holocaust denier, a spastic, but so what? I have a Kate Chopin novel and the Communist Manifesto on mine!
The cancelling of Milo and these lads because of antifa behaving like a pack of animals and the campus authorities just pulling their pants down and giving it up. Isn't that censorship, mob-rule style?
Quote from: Emphyrio on June 10, 2020, 10:10:02 PM
Straw Dogs, Texas Chainsaw etc were banned cos they were "shocking", this new censorship isn't coming from that place so I don't think it's a fair comparison.
This new "censorship" doesn't exist. Only product choices by media outlets. Maybe that will change. And maybe later there'll be such a conservative backlash we end up in Gilead!
No platforming is a travesty, I totally agree. Know who has the best rhetoric on that subject? Chomsky! Manufacturing Consent, seriously worth your time if you're concerned about where things appear to you to be going.
Go on lads, take on the end-of-level boss.
We're fucked the whole lot of us.
Get on your fucking knees! Scabby white cunts the lot
Whenever I hear Chomsky mentioned, I always think of Peter Capaldi's brilliant turn as the 'oooh so clever professor' in Peep Show😂
https://youtu.be/yO3Gcb6Nyw4
:laugh:
He's a legend, and from comments I see around online, more and more rejected by liberals, precisely because they just don't get his anarcho-democratic intellectual principles relative to free speech at all.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 10, 2020, 08:52:51 PM
Yep, tax these billionaires who enigmatically swan through the world, not as mere citizens, but demigods.
I didn't mention tax but if only it was that easy. I know the comment was in jest but there's a "demigod" billionaire in Australia that builds apartment blocks, Harry Triguboff, who took it upon himself to unilaterally decide that Australians needed to live in high density high rise sh1tholes, but he most certainly doesn't live in one himself. Chap is in his late 80s now and still hasn't amassed enough wealth to the detriment of society.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/i-ll-buy-cheaper-australia-s-property-king-is-exploiting-the-slump-20190215-p50xyl.html
Another example - two clowns who run Atlassian software import crowds of vulnerable desperate immigrants to write their code for cheap, but they live in adjacent harbour side mansions, not in some 30 storey tower.
Implications of ignoring these "demigod" twats - It's the American way of thinking, individuals first, society doesn't factor in. Why invest in the training of societies next generation when you can just import someone from somewhere else. We don't have to care about ensuring that XY and Z is earning enough, we just want it done at the cheapest price point possible. Extrapolate these values across the world and it's developing Uber Eats gig economy and it is pretty clear where the cultural values behind these policies originate. Great for wealthy individuals, completely destructive in terms of a society and ordinary people to perpetuate themselves and their cultural values into the future in a cohesive manner. We've seen it in Ireland with the housing/homelessness situation, our housing market has gone global to vulture funds for nearly a decade and has f**ked a whole range of people yet here we are, discussing the outrage over some corporate marketing whores doing their best to appeal to a target audience with little or no risk involved. We need to assign value to more human centered metrics than just the economic success of the Harry Triguboffs in the world.
The right/left thing is a cunt. I would find Chomsky equally as listenable as someone like Dave Rubin for example..I'm just plucking a name here. They might have a lot that they don't agree on but they would be able to have a civil conversation, I'm sure, and probably agree to disagree etc. You could add in your Jordan Petersons of this world to that.
No, the issue is the rest of the cretins going around roaring in people's faces about absolute bollox. Shep is right there, it is manufacturing consent but it's being done in the strangest way. It has decided that the old conservative values that people used get up on their high horses about and roar in people's faces about are too predictable and now it's decided to run with this new, supposedly left leaning, virtue signalling farce that we see.
Being outraged about abortion or the lack of religion is simply just seen as out of date. What's hip now? Gender, race etc etc. If this was the value system of 50 or 60 years ago the same Netflix or Amazon or Youtube's of this world would have been supporting going to Nam, keeping any discourse on race down, pushing the American Dream. They don't care about the rest of us, the really don't care what state society is in as long as shareholders are happy and profits keep flowing in.
And that's not anti capitalist or pro Marxist or even the other way around, it's just showing that these behemoths, be they mulitinationals or ideologies or whatever they are don't really care HOW they win power as long as they win it, be that political, economic or whatever. It's all the same power grab just in different guises.
Quote from: The Butcher on June 10, 2020, 10:40:21 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 10, 2020, 08:52:51 PM
Yep, tax these billionaires who enigmatically swan through the world, not as mere citizens, but demigods.
I didn't mention tax but if only it was that easy. I know the comment was in jest but there's a "demigod" billionaire in Australia that builds apartment blocks, Harry Triguboff, who took it upon himself to unilaterally decide that Australians needed to live in high density high rise sh1tholes, but he most certainly doesn't live in one himself. Chap is in his late 80s now and still hasn't amassed enough wealth to the detriment of society.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/i-ll-buy-cheaper-australia-s-property-king-is-exploiting-the-slump-20190215-p50xyl.html
Another example - two clowns who run Atlassian software import crowds of vulnerable desperate immigrants to write their code for cheap, but they live in adjacent harbour side mansions, not in some 30 storey tower.
Implications of ignoring these "demigod" twats - It's the American way of thinking, individuals first, society doesn't factor in. Why invest in the training of societies next generation when you can just import someone from somewhere else. We don't have to care about ensuring that XY and Z is earning enough, we just want it done at the cheapest price point possible. Extrapolate these values across the world and it's developing Uber Eats gig economy and it is pretty clear where the cultural values behind these policies originate. Great for wealthy individuals, completely destructive in terms of a society and ordinary people to perpetuate themselves and their cultural values into the future in a cohesive manner. We've seen it in Ireland with the housing/homelessness situation, our housing market has gone global to vulture funds for nearly a decade and has f**ked a whole range of people yet here we are, discussing the outrage over some corporate marketing whores doing their best to appeal to a target audience with little or no risk involved. We need to assign value to more human centered metrics than just the economic success of the Harry Triguboffs in the world.
Agreed
I wasn't posting in jest at all. I was being serious.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 10, 2020, 10:49:21 PM
I wasn't posting in jest at all. I was being serious.
That's the closest we hit to the original topic in at least 20 pages.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 10, 2020, 10:49:21 PM
I wasn't posting in jest at all. I was being serious.
Agree with your original comment too.
A big difference with old censorship is that it wasn't geared towards consumption. The new rows over "censorship" are, and the liberal and conservative leaning press flatter pre-existing bias in the public to ensure that they get a maximum of traffic from their target demographic on every issue they decide we should care about. Politics and religion used to dictate content to the media, now the media dictate content to politics via the electorate. And yes, social media play their role in this too.
We're overcomplicating this a lot. A black lad got killed in America by a quite frankly mental cop. That was bad, very bad. Some people of African descent decided to have a peaceful march in London to voice their discontent about it. Then a whole bunch of assholes, white and black showed up. Said assholes started wrecking the gaff, decided they hate the UK and want to lay down some pretty fuckin unreasonable demands.
The biggest problem I face as a programmer is the client being vague about what they want. There is no clear demand. We want "justice". Show me the particular injustice and a suggested course of action and that could be taken to correct it. This begins the road to forming a solution. I don't buy this my ancestors bullshit. Should we go to the UK and fuck the place up over what happened to ours? Over things that happened for far longer and far more recently than theirs?
You're a programmer though and you're used to logic and things that are meant to make sense or at least connect. Problem is we're in the land of loony tunes right now, every second gobshite you meet thinks he's the next Malcolm X or Bobby Kennedy..mass delusion.
:laugh: :laugh:
To quote Douglas Murray "Where are the adults?". Slap these fools like bold children. Everyone is terrified of upsetting these bratty little children. The problem is that the rest of us got afraid of the most impetuous, obnoxious, bratty and quite frankly dim people in society.
47 pages of glorious over-complication...
We should at least make it to 50 pages? astfgyl and mugz can yoke it out, let us appease the untouchable, billionaire demigods.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 09:37:11 PMThe real problem with the streaming services is the real problem that was there with TV: they're full of intelligence destroying shit, designed in the most cynical manner possible, just as most TV has been since the 50s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUUwcNeecvI
Quote from: The Butcher on June 10, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
We should at least make it to 50 pages? astfgyl and mugz can yoke it out, let us appease the untouchable, billionaire demigods.
I swear I will never start a thread in general discussion again. The thread seems to have gone through everything but the original topic. Marxist theory, travellers, colonialism, feminism and a fuck ton of other shite.
Quote from: hellfire on June 10, 2020, 11:49:45 PM
I swear I will never start a thread in general discussion again. The thread seems to have gone through everything but the original topic. Marxist theory, travellers, colonialism, feminism and a fuck ton of other shite.
Well, Google have now started removing files from people's personal Google Drives. It's mostly stuff like that Plandemic thing, but other stuff has been removed too.
Thanks Mower. I will check that out.
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 12:09:20 AM
Thanks Mower. I will check that out.
I just realised I have that old album. it's dirty stuff
Still love it. It's the apex of black thrash for me.
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 12:15:50 AM
Still love it. It's the apex of black thrash for me.
I found it slightly
too dirty for my tastes, but I'd give it a solid 7
Yeah, I just gorged on the filth. Could never listen to Aura Noir after I got hold of that nasty bastard of an album.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 11:33:52 PM
47 pages of glorious over-complication...
Thank yourself. All this bullshit about Marxist theory, Naom Chomsky and a whole other bunch of shite you like really assisted with that. The result of Karl Marx was communism. Go ask an Eastern European how well that worked out. Noam Chomsky is and was a professional whiner. If the cat had kittens he'd blame the USA. Intentionally misunderstanding points to divert them away from the questions asked, meandering through reams of bullshit while saying absolutely nothing and side winding through every discussion point bringing it back to some crap that you believe in is quite frankly annoying.
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 01:16:05 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 11:33:52 PM
47 pages of glorious over-complication...
Thank yourself. All this bullshit about Marxist theory, Naom Chomsky and a whole other bunch of shite you like really assisted with that. The result of Karl Marx was communism. Go ask an Eastern European how well that worked out. Noam Chomsky is and was a professional whiner. If the cat had kittens he'd blame the USA. Intentionally misunderstanding points to divert them away from the questions asked, meandering through reams of bullshit while saying absolutely nothing and side winding through every discussion point bringing it back to some crap that you believe in is quite frankly annoying.
u ok hun x
That stopped being funny about three times ago. It's not catching on :abbath:
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 01:45:22 AM
That stopped being funny about three times ago. It's not catching on :abbath:
I'm trying to bring it back. It was funny in 2016, but for some reason it feels just right for the crazy times we're in now.
I'm not sure what the fuck is going on in this thread, but I do know that this song is an absolute banger: https://youtu.be/xKISdd2mKzU
Quote from: Giggles on June 11, 2020, 02:12:12 AM
I'm not sure what the fuck is going on in this thread, but I do know that this song is an absolute banger: https://youtu.be/xKISdd2mKzU
to be fair that's well above average
those rolling drums
Quote from: mugz on June 11, 2020, 01:42:27 AM
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 01:16:05 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 10, 2020, 11:33:52 PM
47 pages of glorious over-complication...
Thank yourself. All this bullshit about Marxist theory, Naom Chomsky and a whole other bunch of shite you like really assisted with that. The result of Karl Marx was communism. Go ask an Eastern European how well that worked out. Noam Chomsky is and was a professional whiner. If the cat had kittens he'd blame the USA. Intentionally misunderstanding points to divert them away from the questions asked, meandering through reams of bullshit while saying absolutely nothing and side winding through every discussion point bringing it back to some crap that you believe in is quite frankly annoying.
u ok hun x
Here lad, fuck off will ya....
Chris, have you downed tools today with these right on white coats?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/10/thousands-of-scientists-go-on-strike-to-protest-systemic-racism-stem.html
I would have imagined there was a high number of Asian people involved in STEM as they tend to be highly educated and highly driven. Am I wrong in that assumption?
Edit: from www.pewsocialtrends.com
"Asians are overrepresented in the STEM workforce, relative to their overall share of the workforce, especially among college-educated workers: 17% of college-educated STEM workers are Asian, compared with 10% of all workers with a college degree."
So are we calling Asian people white now? Seems like there's a bit of a convenient oversight going on there.
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You are correct! But 9% black workers in the field doesn't corroborate with the 13% of the population that they make up, so let's stop working. The tweets in that article are startling.
Scientists who told us that blacks are more vulnerable to Covid and to stay at home are now encouraging them to hit the streets because the virus of racism is way worse.
I'm confused by all this.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 11, 2020, 09:30:00 AM
Scientists who told us that blacks are more vulnerable to Covid and to stay at home are now encouraging them to hit the streets because the virus of racism is way worse.
I'm confused by all this.
And we'll most likely see a spike in cases due to the protests ->
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-11/victorian-black-lives-matter-protester-diagnosed-coronavirus/12343130
https://youtu.be/V8fndiNZimA
I've been listening to these guys quite a bit over the past few days to try to get an alternative black perspective on all this. Maybe it's just that they are confirming my own biases, as the old cliche goes, but they seem to make a lot of sense to me. Very rightly calling into question the "noble victim mentality" and calling out much of the hysteria, hypocrisy and violence that is erupting in the wake of the George Floyd murderer. Worth a listen. The problems in America and within the black American communities are much more complex and ingrained than simple white on black racism, although that certainly exists to an ever diminishing degree.
Edit: I think these men are putting their necks more firmly on the chopping block by their use of reason than ten thousand spastic blue haired white cunts bowing to BLM and renouncing their own personal imagined oppressive past.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 11, 2020, 09:15:02 AM
Chris, have you downed tools today with these right on white coats?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/10/thousands-of-scientists-go-on-strike-to-protest-systemic-racism-stem.html
It was yesterday, but I didn't have that option. In the entire neuroscience campus where I work, comprising five research institutes and roughly a thousand personnel, I think I have seen three black researchers, all only at PhD level too. When I was at undergraduate level, there was a strong mix of ethnicity, but that dropped off massively at masters level, and again at PhD level. That's just my personal experience. I was struck by it, but it confirmed everything sociologists of the French education system have been saying since the 70s.
The way I understood it was that they weren't asking scientists to take to the streets but rather to spend the day thinking of ways of improving inclusivity. I dunno. I find how social issues are dealt with within academia to be often patronizing and cringe-worthy, but how something is dealt with is a different matter to whether there is something that needs addressing.
You should probably get a pager, Chris, so these important questions from the bizarrely outraged can be answered swiftly, minimising their exposure to stress?
Ahsherlookit, it gives him the opportunity to flex those big intellectual biceps :)
But joking aside, relating to underrepresentation, how much of is down to choice, rather than systemic racism? Feminists make similar claims about underrepresentation in engineering and over representation in nursing, the issue being the disparity in salary between the two professions (in most cases). In Sweden, one of the most liberal countries in the world, where there was campaigning to 'fix' the anomaly, the statistics are even more pronounced than the global average. It's not quite the same, but it seems that anti-woman bias in that case is essentially ghost hunting.
What I'm getting at is, and we clearly disagree on the existence of systemic racism, or more accurately, how significant it is, Asians are over represented in STEM fields, at least in the US, so is it only to the benefit of white people, or are Asians (who do better in most areas of life which can be statistically measured than whites) also benificiaries?
Quote from: Juggz on June 11, 2020, 10:26:16 AM
You should probably get a pager, Chris, so these important questions from the bizarrely outraged can be answered swiftly, minimising their exposure to stress?
A minicall, to go with my French persona.
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That's making too much sense Kev. Surely you should know by now that if you look for racism you'll definitely find it and all that other stuff is just speculation and conjecture.
Culture, culture, culture. Different cultures have different objectives and focusses. A lot of the Asian success in the Universities in the States is due to the attitudes to education in the home. Charles Barkley talks here about the differences in African American vs other communities in relation to goals and objectives for kids:
https://youtu.be/zGFWBddzaAw
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 11, 2020, 10:43:36 AM
What I'm getting at is, and we clearly disagree on the existence of systemic racism, or more accurately, how significant it is, Asians are over represented in STEM fields, at least in the US, so is it only to the benefit of white people, or are Asians (who do better in most areas of life which can be statistically measured than whites) also benificiaries?
Asian people in the US and in Europe generally have more money than African-Americans, they even have more money than whites in the US on average, if I'm not mistaken, and often they have a totally different attitude to study and scholarly achievement. Even in Europe, it takes money to stay in university, because every year you stay in is another year you could have been out working. If you use your undergraduate degree to get a decent job somewhere, you'll be making more money every year than your peers who stay in university for the next 5 to 6 years, at the very least. Another thing that struck me during my studies, and I see it again now with the students I teach, is the enormous disadvantage of students who, for whatever reason, have to work part-time outside of college compared to those whose families cover everything. As for university in the US and the aul money situation...
More generally, I don't get what point you're trying to make. If the scientific community itself says that there is what it sees as under-representation, what is it to you??
I feel a catfight coming on
What's it to me? Well nothing really, as it has no effect on my life, it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on the issue. Does one have to be directly involved in something to have or express an opinion on it?
I'm making the point that individual choice may play a more of a role than you think, and perhaps it's not all discrimination of one variety or another
I worked part time all through college, and it wasn't because I'm from an underprivileged background. It was because my auld fella wanted to teach me the value of a quid. I also taught English on Erasmus for the same reason. I had to do it if I wanted a few quid for my grub or a book. I did perfectly fine in college, by the way.
I also worked, but it was still a disadvantage compared to those who didn't have to, especially among those who were hoping to continue in academia (ie public research in STEM) as a career, because the competition is enormous.
Many of them Asians come from immigrant families that broke their bollix to get them where they are too. Different strokes, different folks, different objectives.
Do people not work during college? I imagine those would be a tiny minority.
Almost all of my circle from home had a job, at least at the weekends. The bird I used to go out In college with who is now a doctor worked part time in a nursing home, didn't affect her marks at all.
If there is an anti-education sentiment in parts of the black community in the US, then that is something that needs to change. Maybe these communities need their Jordan Peterson to remind them that they have a certain amount of power to improve their circumstances. Choosing not to engage in criminal activity and to get a job is a great first step- this of course applies equally to any sub-set of society regardless of gender, race, religion etc. Role models who will instil self-worth rather than perpetuating a sense of victimhood, without being dismissed as Uncle Toms will be the real heroes for those communities- not hysterical, looting maniacs with an axe to grind.
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Shit Chris, did you just realise you undermined every argument you have ever made on these forums a few pages ago when you outed yourself as a "far left socialist".
D'oh indeed!
Your arguments are the equivalent of telling depressed people to be happy. I mean, that's basically what I got out of Coleman Hughes' arguments too, so it's not your fault, but it's not a solution because it misdiagnoses the problem.
Hmmm. Have a look at the little scummers causing hassle around Dublin. They´ re all wearing the latest fashion, have the latest phones etc. Money is far from their biggest issue...if anything they´ re too comfortable and a day´ s work might keep them out of mischief. Yes, of course, poverty is an awful, crippling thing, but we can´ t explain everything away in purely economic terms. There is definitely an anti education culture in many areas of society. The travelling community is a great example, a lot of them have plenty money, the Gypsies here in Spain literally encourage their kids away from education. So, again, like everything there´ s no one answer to it, but changing perceptions and showing people the possibilities can only help.
No, it's more nuanced than that. It's about instilling a sense of value in these people. It's about having real role models. It's about the trap of perpetuating a model of single parent households that a lot of these communities are locked into. It's about the cognitive dissonance that seems to exist within the African American consciousness (at least according to any of the black spokespersons I've been listening to) that says that even if they are successful, they are still oppressed. It is about taking responsibly for your actions and not engaging in activity that will put you in direct conflict with the law- that's where the role models need to come in. I'm not simply saying, hey stop being so poor! I'm saying that while the system is imperfect, there are personal ways to approach your own life, if you choose to, that can make it better and maybe make it even better again for your kids and so on.
Edit: I haven't listened to much Coleman Hughes, but I will. I have been listening to several fantastic discussions between Glenn Loury and John McWhorter. I also listened to a brilliant discussion between that scary Nazi Dave Rubin and Tommy Sotomayor. Maybe these guys aren't black enough for you, I don't know, but they seem sensible and intelligent to me.
Using the depressed analogy (a subject I know far too well). I can have the best GP and consultant on the planet. If I don't follow their instructions I'm going to feel like shit.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 11, 2020, 12:00:13 PM
If there is an anti-education sentiment in parts of the black community in the US, then that is something that needs to change. Maybe these communities need their Jordan Peterson to remind them that they have a certain amount of power to improve their circumstances. Choosing not to engage in criminal activity and to get a job is a great first step- this of course applies equally to any sub-set of society regardless of gender, race, religion etc. Role models who will instil self-worth rather than perpetuating a sense of victimhood, without being dismissed as Uncle Toms will be the real heroes for those communities- not hysterical, looting maniacs with an axe to grind.
In short, this is "the American dream" solution. But "the American dream" is a huge part of the problem. You talk about personas of victimhood, but you're listening to personas of "I'm black and I made it, so anyone can!" The American dream. The American truth? Only a small proportion of people can make it, that's how the system is rigged. The dream is to be in that proportion and leave the others behind, all the while telling them it's their fault...because you only deserve praise for succeeding if everyone else can be blamed for failing.
I love how you manage to write off successful black people so easily. It's in no way condescending. These people have a vested interest in the well being of the black communities. They come from them, perhaps not the ghettos, which they themselves openly admit- even going so far as to explicitly acknowledge that they might not be the right voices to talk to young black people, maybe role models directly from deprived areas who have the right accent, the right vernacular need to be the leading lights- but they are highlighting that AS WELL AS the inarguable flaws in the system, there needs to be a sense of responsibility and self-worth instilled into these communities from within AS WELL AS from without. McWhorter admits that he got his job as a linguist as a direct result of positive discrimination. He says there were far more qualified candidates but he got the job because he was black. It took him 5 years to realise he wasn't doing the job as conscientiously as he should be- he was half-baked and he decided to get fully cooked, in his own words. So these men aren't just standing aloof from the situation, sneering at those who haven't "made it". They are actually trying to contend with the complex issues of both the remnants of systemic racism, which they see as actually being on the wane overall, and the sense of broken identity that plagues poor black communities.
QuoteChoosing not to engage in criminal activity and to get a job is a great first step
This was one of your arguments. In reality, in the worst areas, the kids are in crime before they're of legal age to work.
I'm not writing off successful black people at all; they had to work very hard to get where they are. But when I listen to a lot of them ("them", meaning the kind of guys you've been linking to), they seem totally disconnected from the day to day reality of ghetto life as described by guys who worked even harder just to break free of crime and now work directly to improve communities from within. Those with the direct, hands on and personal experience of that life generally seem to tell a different story to the Ivy League educated ones. Maybe there are some good discussions across these divides that would be interesting to listen to, I'll have a look.
And apologies for the sarky "Why didn't I think of that!?" Simpsons reference, but it's a poor sell of the position of certain upper middle-class black men you've been advocating we listen to if you come back from listening to them with; black people from the projects should get jobs instead of becoming criminals.
Maybe you have a point about the role models, but maybe it's a fact that people who grow up in that environment and manage to rise above it understand the situation better and are of the opinion that deep change does have to come from without. In certain conditions, setting a community up to have self-belief is setting the majority of them up for failure that is out of their hands.
Quote from: The Butcher on June 10, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
We should at least make it to 50 pages? astfgyl and mugz can yoke it out, let us appease the untouchable, billionaire demigods.
I take umbrage with two things here and I wish to clear them up.
First, I am being lumped in with another user with whom I have no affiliation as if we are in some sort of club together here. I will admit to enjoying a lot of his posts, but then that goes for many other users here. Any opinions expressed on here by me are entirely my own, and I tried on several occasions to steer this thread back on course before it morphed into all that it currently encompasses.
Second, the yokes comment may have appeared to be taking the piss but it was actually designed to make a point that people on all sides need to just forgive and move on, otherwise the world will never be free of prejudice and bigotry. The yoke is proverbial. Maybe that was misunderstood along the way but I thought I was making a fair point all the same, while trying to use humour to somewhat defuse the generally confrontational nature of posting in online forums.
Also if you look at where the thread has gone since you made this comment, it wasn't myself who dragged it out to its' current length and if you are looking to make a pariah of somebody, I would rather you didn't involve me in it.
Thanks.
I thought the yokes thing added some much needed lightening of the tone.
Thanks Hellfire, I appreciate that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 11, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
....and are of the opinion that deep change does have to come from without.
I'll bring a little bit of Gandhi to this one
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
I think this quote quite nicely encapsulates what is wrong with looting and burning and destroying statues and throwing rocks and petrol bombs at cops and generally acting the complete cunt in protest at somebody else doing something which you perceive as wrong. That something being the George Floyd incident in this instance. These communities, which undeniably have suffered on racial grounds over the years really do need to take the bull by the horns and change themselves now instead of smashing everything up and generally behaving like absolute pricks in the hope that everybody else will change to suit them.
"Change themselves" in what way? I would have preferred "You suffer, but why?" if we were going to do pithy quotes.
Haven't seen much feedback on the US having the world's largest prison population, much of it privatized. Even leaving race out of it, what kind of conditions do you think have led to that? A fair system in which anyone can make it if they just apply themselves? Or some kind of weird semi-police state where prisoners = profit for certain private interests. I would have thought the evidence for the US being a totally warped and broken system were blatant, but when it comes to deciding how African-Americans should act within it, all of a sudden they must be the problem, despite having the least power and for the least amount of time.
Yeah the quote simplifies the matter of course but he makes a fair point.
Would it be a fairer system if the private prisons had an equal population of whites in them? I don't think so. In fact I think the existence of the private prisons at all is the problem there. I am completely against every bit of the idea of that. I fully agree that the US system is categorically fucked up but I still don't agree that the people who grow up in the low income areas simply have to choose a life of crime because of that. I can understand that it is easier for them than slogging it out in a dead end job for minimum wage (If they can manage to get one), but just because it is easier doesn't make it right.
I do think that these guys need to change themselves inasmuch as the local police need to change themselves in terms of how they view policing in these communities. With cooperation from the communities, the job of the police and other authorities could change from simply beating down on criminals to actually helping the communities to police themselves in terms of dealing with issues such as drug abuse in low income areas and the people themselves could do other things such as volunteer for urban regeneration projects in conjunction with city authorities and even perhaps federal funding. They could start business co operatives in these areas and attempt to provide some degree of employment in their own areas, possibly even through a combination of all of these things improving the image of these places and attracting more diversity to them rather than them being simply projects for minorities. They could set up volunteers to teach in their own communities to try give a chance to the kids there who do want to learn something. I'm sure a lot of these ideas have already been implemented but I don't have the research done to back up whether they have or not.
Or they could simply go out and smash and burn things and treat the police as their enemy which in turn can't be doing much for the attitude of the police towards them. They need to cooperate with each other, the authorities and the disadvantaged communities and it may be a slow process with quite a few hiccups along the way, but they might build a fairer society together.
Or they could stay rioting and looting...
The country with the world's largest prison population is a country that does not invest in poor communities. And from all indications and analysis, it would very much appear to be a conscious decision.
Justice? Too expensive for the accused, too costly for the state.
Sure, do a couple of years, yeah? it'll make you look cooler to the rest of the gang, and you'll learn how to be a real criminal even if you're not one already, you'll be all set to go when you get out!
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1034201
I'm probably taking the egalitarian view on it a bit, to be fair. It will be a long road out of hell for the US, and I'm in no way surprised that things have turned sour but I can't agree with things like tearing down statues and destroying cities and attacking the police in the name of fairness. Surely there are enough whites there who aren't cunts, who will stand in peaceful protest alongside the blacks to bring about changes to education and opportunities in these disadvantaged areas. Bring cities to a standstill by all means, just leave a city there so they can all live in relative peace and harmony after the fact. Tearing down the statues and getting the whites to admit to some sort of collective responsibility over the actions of the past generations seems to me to be a bit like my wife keeping on about something I did years ago whenever she is annoyed over something I did lately. Stick to the problem at hand and work together to find a solution.
Surely somewhere in the US there are disadvantaged white areas which also suffer from a lack of education and employment opportunities? Maybe not to the extent of the black areas, but still shouldn't they be working towards fixing the problem of the disparity between rich and poor of all colours rather than keeping it as a race issue? I believe that's an issue which applies to all parts of the world and needs to be fixed everywhere. Everyone is focusing on race while the rich keep getting richer and perpetuating the root cause of the current problem there. Imagine giving UBI to all in the US, paid for by fair taxation of massive corporations and imagine how quickly that would sort out a lot of the feeling of oppression among the black communities. I agree wholeheartedly that something must be done but kowtowing to the black folks is as racist as oppressing them, because it only serves to highlight the fact that they are a separate community, rather than fostering integration and achieving the supposed goal of true equality.
In fact, I'm not surprised all of the large corporations are fanning the flames of the race issue, when it takes the eye off them and their massive, competition-smashing profits. Maskirovka.
We in Ireland for example, instead of virtue signalling for BLM could be out in protest at the rich/poor divide in our own country. It would be a more positive application of our time, and who knows, real changes to the concept of equality in a country the size of Ireland might have more influence on other countries than meaningless protest in a country the size of Ireland.
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
Using the depressed analogy (a subject I know far too well). I can have the best GP and consultant on the planet. If I don't follow their instructions I'm going to feel like shit.
what if I told you you're not suffering from depression, but you're depressed because life at its best barely scrapes mediocrity?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 11, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
Justice? Too expensive for the accused, too costly for the state.
Sure, do a couple of years, yeah? it'll make you look cooler to the rest of the gang, and you'll learn how to be a real criminal even if you're not one already, you'll be all set to go when you get out!
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1034201
That is a fucked up system to be allowed happen. Those figures are crazy, regarding how many go to trial.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 11, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
Quote from: The Butcher on June 10, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
We should at least make it to 50 pages? astfgyl and mugz can yoke it out, let us appease the untouchable, billionaire demigods.
I take umbrage with two things here and I wish to clear them up.
First, I am being lumped in with another user with whom I have no affiliation as if we are in some sort of club together here. I will admit to enjoying a lot of his posts, but then that goes for many other users here. Any opinions expressed on here by me are entirely my own, and I tried on several occasions to steer this thread back on course before it morphed into all that it currently encompasses.
Second, the yokes comment may have appeared to be taking the piss but it was actually designed to make a point that people on all sides need to just forgive and move on, otherwise the world will never be free of prejudice and bigotry. The yoke is proverbial. Maybe that was misunderstood along the way but I thought I was making a fair point all the same, while trying to use humour to somewhat defuse the generally confrontational nature of posting in online forums.
Also if you look at where the thread has gone since you made this comment, it wasn't myself who dragged it out to its' current length and if you are looking to make a pariah of somebody, I would rather you didn't involve me in it.
Thanks.
love you man
Quote from: astfgyl on June 11, 2020, 03:43:10 PM
Thanks Hellfire, I appreciate that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 11, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
....and are of the opinion that deep change does have to come from without.
I'll bring a little bit of Gandhi to this one
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
I think this quote quite nicely encapsulates what is wrong with looting and burning and destroying statues and throwing rocks and petrol bombs at cops and generally acting the complete cunt in protest at somebody else doing something which you perceive as wrong. That something being the George Floyd incident in this instance. These communities, which undeniably have suffered on racial grounds over the years really do need to take the bull by the horns and change themselves now instead of smashing everything up and generally behaving like absolute pricks in the hope that everybody else will change to suit them.
again this is the truth of it- it's always an opportunity to refine yourself, as much as the extreme drama of our teens and 20s seem like the high point of life, and as much as
BIG ISSUES seem important, becoming a smoothed out person and monitoring your thoughts and managing your reactions ... those things matter. Leave the psyops behind, where psyop can be toppled statues or long books written in other centuries, basically anything which stops you managing yourself and your interactions with loved ones.
Quote from: mugz on June 11, 2020, 05:17:37 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
Using the depressed analogy (a subject I know far too well). I can have the best GP and consultant on the planet. If I don't follow their instructions I'm going to feel like shit.
what if I told you you're not suffering from depression, but you're depressed because life at its best barely scrapes mediocrity?
It wasn't meant to debate depression. The point was that if all the state things they need such as education, employment and of course not getting strangled are given to them and the inner city gang culture doesn't change then no visible improvement will happen.
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 07:47:07 PM
Quote from: mugz on June 11, 2020, 05:17:37 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
Using the depressed analogy (a subject I know far too well). I can have the best GP and consultant on the planet. If I don't follow their instructions I'm going to feel like shit.
what if I told you you're not suffering from depression, but you're depressed because life at its best barely scrapes mediocrity?
It wasn't meant to debate depression. The point was that if all the state things they need such as education, employment and of course not getting strangled are given to them and the inner city gang culture doesn't change then no visible improvement will happen.
yah but the benefits of running a dedicated scapegoat caste outweigh the benefits of running a cohesive society.
there's a certain amount of social disarray the government needs in order to keep all of the rest of us busy.
I don't see how it benefits the government of the US to have a lot of unemployed people committing crimes. Benefits the private companies running the prisons for sure. I'm sure there are probably a few kickbacks or backhanders going on, apart from that though.
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 08:00:24 PM
I don't see how it benefits the government of the US to have a lot of unemployed people committing crimes. Benefits the private companies running the prisons for sure. I'm sure there are probably a few kickbacks or backhanders going on, apart from that though.
distraction, confusion, isolation, paranoia, indignation
those things are far more valuable to the powers that be than things like guns or laws
Netflix is a weapon. Social media used to be a weapon but then they realised people will binge watch tv shows generated by algorithm, so you can control 100s of millions of people with essentially a press of a button. Less work, more results.
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 08:00:24 PM
I don't see how it benefits the government of the US to have a lot of unemployed people committing crimes.
You should look into it, because that's what's going on.
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Public schools are funded by property tax over there, so the more affluent neighbourhoods have better funded schools, which is a problem, no doubt about it. I've heard redlining being brought up and banks not lending to people, usually blacks, from these areas. That practice is now outlawed.
Homeownership and a college degree are still drastically lower amongst black communities, single parent families outnumber the traditional nuclear family. Could the welfare system have a portion of the blame in the latter? I'm not an expert, just something to consider.
Atlanta, when I was there in 2008, is apparently the city of black success stories, I certainly didn't see that side of it. Loads of homeless, lots of down and outs. Something is definitely askew, but I'm not convinced that systemic racism is the 'answer'.
One of the lads in my group there was a very successful black lad and the 'hey Mick, ya ain't had yo liquor today baby' to my 'where have you been? mugging someone'? was taken with a chuckle and a pinch of salt unthinkable today.
A black barber also ran out of his shop as I walked past 'hey man! hey man, let me cut yo shit nigga' which was a highlight of my few days there :)
Quote from: mugz on June 11, 2020, 08:31:25 PM
Hope Ur OK Hun xxxx is feeling verdy annoyed with Virgin Media de shower ov dzopes!!!!!
6 December 2016 ·
Virgin Media Ireland yiz r a shower ov Robbin bastards! yiz raise yizzer prices n den I Kant watch fukin Netflix cos yizzer internet is a load of me slice and breaks down 2nite??? #KantKope #VirginMediaCanAskMeSlice <3 <3 xxx
WTF? We don't need to know your every thought.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 11, 2020, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 08:00:24 PM
I don't see how it benefits the government of the US to have a lot of unemployed people committing crimes.
You should look into it, because that's what's going on.
Where would you suggest I start my research?
If Barangutan and Sausage Fingers McBrien we're manning the battlements, the banhammer would have been swung quite a while ago on this lad, Mick.
Alas...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 11, 2020, 08:34:23 PM
Public schools are funded by property tax over there, so the more affluent neighbourhoods have better funded schools, which is a problem, no doubt about it. I've heard redlining being brought up and banks not lending to people, usually blacks, from these areas. That practice is now outlawed.
Homeownership and a college degree are still drastically lower amongst black communities, single parent families outnumber the traditional nuclear family. Could the welfare system have a portion of the blame in the latter? I'm not an expert, just something to consider.
Atlanta, when I was there in 2008, is apparently the city of black success stories, I certainly didn't see that side of it. Loads of homeless, lots of down and outs. Something is definitely askew, but I'm not convinced that systemic racism is the 'answer'.
One of the lads in my group there was a very successful black lad and the 'hey Mick, ya ain't had yo liquor today baby' to my 'where have you been? mugging someone'? was taken with a chuckle and a pinch of salt unthinkable today.
A black barber also ran out of his shop as I walked past 'hey man! hey man, let me cut yo shit nigga' which was a highlight of my few days there :)
that rap hiphop ghetto 'black' culture thing is a great example; much like heavy metal is rap for white kids, ya get me?
some scenes run longer than others but for a few million dollars spent on music and tv and some kind of printed media in support, you can control the minds and lives of potentially billions of people, for decades at a time.
this applies to nearly everything
things get more interesting when you think about why they need to keep things at about 60% decent 40% terrible, it gets deep right away.
you might think you're awesome with an advanced degree in comp sci or neuroscience and a healthy collection of underground black metal limited releases etc but to varadkar or obama or miggledy higgins you're the same as any black guy in america sleeping on a park bench.
the pens we're kept in are infinite.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 11, 2020, 08:40:35 PM
If Barangutan and Sausage Fingers McBrien we're manning the battlements, the banhammer would have been swung quite a while ago on this lad, Mick.
Alas...
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Where would you suggest I start my research?
There are so many dimensions to it, some purely about profit, others about social control. The first is more easily demonstrated, for the latter you're talking about deep sociological and political analyses. But this is pretty evident:
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/prisonindex/prisonlabor.html
The documentary I posted back a bit '13th' is worth a look (in full on YouTube) Follow up any claims you find doubtful.
Will do. Won't get a chance over the weekend, but I'll let you know once I have checked.
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Just had a look at that page you sent. Haven't watched the documentary yet. I think what that contends is that the for profit prison system (which is a bad thing in itself) exploits these inmates? I get that. My boss would pay me 12c an hour if he could. If this money were going to the state I'd see more of a connection. As it is the state is paying a fortune to have them kept. I don't see the problem with recouping some of that loss with cheap postal workers uniforms. The state ultimately loses money out of this even if they do buy some cheap goods.
I haven't watched the documentary yet, does it show how a connection between arrests, sentencing and the for profit system? That would be interesting.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 11, 2020, 09:18:33 PM
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Where would you suggest I start my research?
There are so many dimensions to it, some purely about profit, others about social control. The first is more easily demonstrated, for the latter you're talking about deep sociological and political analyses. But this is pretty evident:
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/prisonindex/prisonlabor.html
The documentary I posted back a bit '13th' is worth a look (in full on YouTube) Follow up any claims you find doubtful.
Reading that there. Interesting stuff, but I was aware of the private prisons being used as a form of slavery already. Do you think the black communities would be appeased if the percentage of whites in the private prisons was adjusted to fit the percentage of citizens?
I think that the whole idea of private prisons existing at all is an affront to human rights and is simply a legal way of circumventing the abolishment of slavery. Maybe if the protests were to focus on more specific outcomes it would indeed bring about some welcome change, rather than "fuck all cops and authorities, we are going to smash these cities". It would certainly be more effective than spinning the wheel of racism around on the white majority and less abhorrent to me than watching sad white bastards washing black people's feet, which entirely misses the point. If those pastors were truly christians, there is a case to be made (by me on my own, probably) that they should have reciprocated the act or refused it, as pride is a sin as far as I remember from my knowledge of christianity.
I feel like you have been attempting to justify the violent nature of the protests by providing evidence of the systemic racism at play in the US. I don't in any way refute the idea that change is needed and that the black communities have been extremely hard done by, both historically and presently but there is no justification for an eye for an eye, and no justification for becoming the embodiment of the racism they so revile. I still believe that whatever the historic causes, the issue right now is more about the gap between rich and poor and a lot of it could be sorted with things like UBI, which would sidestep the issue of the funding of schools and lots of other issues which serve to exacerbate the issues of social deprivation. Any thoughts on any possible solutions yourself, rather than proving the justification for the discontent. Not in any way saying that the discontent is not justified by the way, but just to get the discussion going in less of a left vs right or black vs right direction and interested to know what anyone thinks around how it might be solved. I personally like the idea of UBI and certainly the abolishment of private prison ownership.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 11, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 11, 2020, 09:18:33 PM
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Where would you suggest I start my research?
There are so many dimensions to it, some purely about profit, others about social control. The first is more easily demonstrated, for the latter you're talking about deep sociological and political analyses. But this is pretty evident:
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/prisonindex/prisonlabor.html
The documentary I posted back a bit '13th' is worth a look (in full on YouTube) Follow up any claims you find doubtful.
Reading that there. Interesting stuff, but I was aware of the private prisons being used as a form of slavery already. Do you think the black communities would be appeased if the percentage of whites in the private prisons was adjusted to fit the percentage of citizens?
I think that the whole idea of private prisons existing at all is an affront to human rights and is simply a legal way of circumventing the abolishment of slavery. Maybe if the protests were to focus on more specific outcomes it would indeed bring about some welcome change, rather than "fuck all cops and authorities, we are going to smash these cities". It would certainly be more effective than spinning the wheel of racism around on the white majority and less abhorrent to me than watching sad white bastards washing black people's feet, which entirely misses the point. If those pastors were truly christians, there is a case to be made (by me on my own, probably) that they should have reciprocated the act or refused it, as pride is a sin as far as I remember from my knowledge of christianity.
I feel like you have been attempting to justify the violent nature of the protests by providing evidence of the systemic racism at play in the US. I don't in any way refute the idea that change is needed and that the black communities have been extremely hard done by, both historically and presently but there is no justification for an eye for an eye, and no justification for becoming the embodiment of the racism they so revile. I still believe that whatever the historic causes, the issue right now is more about the gap between rich and poor and a lot of it could be sorted with things like UBI, which would sidestep the issue of the funding of schools and lots of other issues which serve to exacerbate the issues of social deprivation. Any thoughts on any possible solutions yourself, rather than proving the justification for the discontent. Not in any way saying that the discontent is not justified by the way, but just to get the discussion going in less of a left vs right or black vs right direction and interested to know what anyone thinks around how it might be solved. I personally like the idea of UBI and certainly the abolishment of private prison ownership.
I highly doubt they're genuinely defunding the police, I mean apart from guns and coffee shops we haven't had a real economy for decades. Without the state to employ people, we'll all be out protesting just for something to do.
I would protest if I believed in things...
Looking at some of the numbers you sent.
Minimum wage in the US $5.15 per hour. Times forty and then 52 that amounts to $10,712
Average hourly earnings of a non-prisoner U.S. worker in a textile mil $10.95 per hour. Times 40 and then 52 comes to $22,776
To get a non prisoner to make clothes costs between $10,712 and $22,776 assuming a forty hour working week.
I'm not going to bother counting the prisoner wages, they are essentially a pittance.
The average cost of keeping someone in prison for a year is between 30k and 70k (Supermax and such cost on the higher end) . Some states do it cheaper and others more expensive. That is the average cost of incarceration and doesn't take into account the cost of trying them, appeals and other legal issues. Pretty sure there a far more inmates without jobs than with them also.
I will still watch the documentary
the cost of trying them is minimal because of the plea bargain setup?
Depends on the case. I'm sure a lot of them resist being incarcerated. Don't have numbers for that. Public defenders probably don't cost the same as paid attorneys, they do cost though. Death penalty cases costs are into the millions.
I was led to believe that the prison population size was due to the failed "war on drugs"
It's a fucked up place really. Pure "lets not go to Camelot" stuff.
Aren't private prisons a mad idea to be allowed happen though? I wonder how much a lifer is worth to them, must try find out
I said it earlier. At best they are a stupid idea and at worst outright cruel.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 11, 2020, 11:01:23 PM
It's a fucked up place really. Pure "lets not go to Camelot" stuff.
Aren't private prisons a mad idea to be allowed happen though? I wonder how much a lifer is worth to them, must try find out
it's just a metaphor for our incarnations here, or something like that
Quote from: astfgyl on June 11, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
I would protest if I believed in things...
I believe in you, to an extent
I'll take "to an extent", sound Mugz
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 11:02:24 PM
I said it earlier. At best they are a stupid idea and at worst outright cruel.
Agree with that. I'd go for the mixture of stupid and outright cruel when it comes to those privare prisons. The fact that they exist is an affront to lots of things.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 11, 2020, 11:13:12 PM
I'll take "to an extent", sound Mugz
Quote from: hellfire on June 11, 2020, 11:02:24 PM
I said it earlier. At best they are a stupid idea and at worst outright cruel.
Agree with that. I'd go for the mixture of stupid and outright cruel when it comes to those privare prisons. The fact that they exist is an affront to lots of things.
if we got rid of stupidity and cruelty there'd be nothing left
Master/slave is commonly used to describe one computer controlling another. Just seen that ZFS (a killer filesystem) removed all reference to the word slave. I have no objection to it really. Client is interchangeable with the word slave. Changing the comments on source code just seems unnecessary.
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if we got rid of stupidity and cruelty there'd be nothing left
You could do with swapping your mugz for hugz ya miserable wee fanny.
Since someone will prob think it, I have no problem with getting prisoners to do work. But using prison labor to fund a bloated, corrupt, injust mass incarceration system that serves political interests, not so much.
QuoteUNICOR employed almost 17,000 inmates in the 2017 fiscal year. The corporation sold $453.8 million in goods including clothing and textiles, office furniture and electronics during the same period. Almost 4,500 prisoners working for UNICOR in states from Colorado to New Jersey contributed to the clothing and textiles program, which sold over $126 million in products.
QuoteWashington state's correctional industries website notes that each $1 investment yields $12.68 in return to society.
https://www.newsweek.com/prison-slavery-who-benefits-cheap-inmate-labor-1093729
Plenty of info to be found.
Did you have a look at the numbers I put up? Hard to sift through every thought mugz is having I know. I don't see how it profits the state.
Posted a link already about plea bargains; around 90% conservative estimate of sentencing. Up to 20% of those may be innocent, again higher the poorer the accused, since they have less to lose and nothing to fight with.
Quote from: hellfire on June 12, 2020, 12:42:50 AM
Did you have a look at the numbers I put up? Hard to sift through every thought mugz is having I know. I don't see how it profits the state.
Will look tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBDfMQ27Asw
Quote from: Pedrito on June 12, 2020, 11:32:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBDfMQ27Asw
you don't want ben shapiro. douglas murray if you must, but youtube talking heads are mostly no good man, no offence intended to you personally.
He makes a couple of good points, but most of the rest is fudged, although the video he chose is fudged too, and that's why he chose it.
If you watch again, you'll see that he actually tries to discredit some of the examples given by detailing more subtle examples of systemic racism, though not surprising coming from Ben Shapiro.
Again, a lot of his solution is the telling a depressed person to be happy route. "Get up and move out of your neighbourhood, or else don't complain about your shitty schools, or else vote Republican so that your kids can go to school elsewhere, 'cos let's face it, there's no way the school in your neighbourhood is ever going to be salvaged!" African-Americans are indeed "steered" (the word he uses) towards certain college courses, they're also prepared for them specifically via shallow vocational education in high school. He mentions this as if it's just a question of choice; it's not. It's a question of the education system deciding very early on what a kid's potential is and, from that point on, "steering" them towards it while neglecting other areas of what a proper education should consist of. And these kids' parents probably had an even worse education, which is why the kid doesn't seem to show an aptitude for things it has never been exposed to at home and now won't be at school either. The literature on the school system in the US is probably the most revealing of how systemic racism works independently of any explicit "The blacks are all stupid" style goings on.
Also, it appears he has no idea what probability or statistics or population studies actually consist of. In any case, he doesn't care: his viewership don't care about that stuff. One thing that sticks out though, and that should be remarked on, is that systemic racism impacts African-American males much more than females; this is widely acknowledged, so saying "this can't be due to racism because it impacts men but not women" doesn't hold water. It's a good litmus test of what Ben actually understands, or is trying to convince his audience of, that he rolls out such a blatant hollow argument as if it had rhetoric destroying power.
Quote from: hellfire on May 29, 2020, 08:59:41 PM
US President Donald Trump plans to sign an executive order social media on Thursday, with a draft of the measure calling for a review of a key law that gives immunity to Twitter, Facebook, Google and other sites from lawsuits over third party, user-generated content.
This basically leaves them open to litigation in the same way that a media outlet is. I'm not interested in his motivations for doing it, I am pleased that someone did. Their censorship practices will now come under scrutiny like never before.
"A small handful of powerful social media monopolies control the vast portion of all private and public communications in the United States."
The monopoly thing is also interesting. Three of four companies should not be in a position to influence elections, have a monopoly on a certain communication type and decide what people can and cannot see.
And this afternoon, Twitter just hid one of El Presidente's tweets about the lunatics trying to set up autonomous zone in DC.
What's the odds his next executive order will be one declaring Twitter to be a publisher rather than a platform?
Pity he can't just hang Jack Dorsey for treason.
Pity he can't stop giving speeches to large (ish) crowds in states where the virus is spreading at record levels.
We need a government of change, not this sham being driven by the socialist cabal and their virtue signalling.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 24, 2020, 02:29:33 PM
We need a government of change, not this sham being driven by the socialist cabal and their virtue signalling.
We certainly do. I was never a Sinn Fein supporter and actively dislike them. Still, excluding them from government was a perversion of the democratic system. The current government shouldn't exist. Thankfully The Green Party should have it torn down in no time with their stupidity. There is definitely a market for new parties at the moment.
Cops attacking the press in the US now. Alarm bells!
What happened exactly?
According to Channel 4 news, which has a particular lean, shall we say, and from footage they showed from across various states, the cops and possibly some vigilante groups (it seems unclear) have beaten, arrested and maced numerous legitimate journalists who have been reporting on the riots. Now, whatever your political stance may be, and if these reports are accurate, the arresting and shutting down of reporting is a worrying step for Trump to take. Assuming he has given such a directive, which wouldn't be very surprising given his general attitude towards "fake news" as he perceives it.
Assuming that is true it's really shit. Doubt it was a directive from the president, but who know. I'll look into it during the week.
There were quite a few videos kicking around about two weeks ago around the start of the riots showing things like that happening to the press. so I wonder why ch4 took so long to get round to reporting it.
I have seen multiple of videos of individuals (not in a large group and once on their own on a street) getting thrown to the ground, maced or shot at with rubber bullets while holding their press pass in the air and shouting the fact they were press.
In one video the anchors for a news station were live with a reporter on the streets. both the reporter and the cameraman where repeatedly fired upon and hit with rubber bullets until they got cut off.
It looked coordinated, but who knows.
It's not a directive from the president for feks sake. How could that not immediately circulate as a story. I watched a few videos on it last night. Now, fair enough they shouldn't be getting hit. That said, everyone of them I saw get a clatter or get shifted or moved were in the middle of what was essentially a riot with very little to distinguish them as press. Surely some sort of yellow vest with
a big print of PRESS written on it could be provided. But then that would mean that they wouldn't be able to sell another narrative to the public.
So it was their own fault? :D
Never said that, but you stand in the middle of a riot without some sort of high viz or ID and the cops are hitting everyone(responding to insane levels of threatening behaviour), you should be ID'ing yourself. They were dressed no different to anyone else around them.
You work in security and a fight breaks out in fromt of a nightclub then the cops can distinguish you from whatever tribal tatt and bar t-shirt you wear. It's not fkn rocket science.
And so yeah, it is their fault. They might use their brain next time.
Yeah this has been going on for weeks.
Australia even looking for an investigation (who knows how that will go or what it will look like) after a reporter was attacked during a live report
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/06/02/australia-seeks-probe-us-police-assault-reporter-covering-protest/3126403001/
Pretty disgusting video if ye haven't seen it, there is absolutely no way she & crew could have been mistaken for anything else. They don't give a fuck.
But again, I am not surprised in the slightest, after years of calling the press the enemy of the people, what was realistically going to happen in state institutions?
A few possible reasons. As someone pointed out, the presidential order would have long since leaked if it had happened.
- Have protestors been using fake press passes or pretended to be press?
- Are the police so pissed off at the situation they just don't give a fuck?
I would guess at the first. Someone with a jacket saying press on it used it to get closer to the cops. Then again, this post is entirely based on speculation.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on June 25, 2020, 11:19:55 AM
But again, I am not surprised in the slightest, after years of calling the press the enemy of the people,
The press aren't exactly an ally of the people either.
Quote from: mickO))) on June 25, 2020, 04:08:45 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on June 25, 2020, 11:19:55 AM
But again, I am not surprised in the slightest, after years of calling the press the enemy of the people,
The press aren't exactly an ally of the people either.
Corporate media, for sure, cares about corporate media rather than the people.
But the press as a whole? Better off to have it than not.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on June 25, 2020, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on June 25, 2020, 04:08:45 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on June 25, 2020, 11:19:55 AM
But again, I am not surprised in the slightest, after years of calling the press the enemy of the people,
The press aren't exactly an ally of the people either.
Corporate media, for sure, cares about corporate media rather than the people.
But the press as a whole? Better off to have it than not.
If by corporate you mean mainstream media then yes the CNN's, the FOX's, the RTE's etc. that's who are being called the enemy of the people.
Of course we need press but the vast majority of people are only watching one MSM news station and taking everything they report as 100% fact which is a not a good thing.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on June 25, 2020, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on June 25, 2020, 04:08:45 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on June 25, 2020, 11:19:55 AM
But again, I am not surprised in the slightest, after years of calling the press the enemy of the people,
The press aren't exactly an ally of the people either.
Corporate media, for sure, cares about corporate media rather than the people.
But the press as a whole? Better off to have it than not.
press, present, pressure, presage, presence, prevoke
do you see? it's fun they've convinced us we need 'the press', but they 'press our buttons'.
the news is
sewn, geddit?
God I wish you'd shut up sometimes. Are you just trying to get a massive post count while simultaneously pissing off half of the forum?
Quote from: hellfire on June 25, 2020, 04:43:41 PM
God I wish you'd shut up sometimes. Are you just trying to get a massive post count while simultaneously pissing off half of the forum?
I don't care about any of that. I'm trying to point out how bad things are in the sense of the powers that be lying to us all in lots of subtle and non subtle ways. if you want to resent that, that's fine, I don't care. Given the last few months it seems relevant to point these things out, since it affects all of us really.
If you want to live in a world where 'racial tension', pandemics, Marx, 'the media', are actual things that's fine, but I don't have to go along with it. I don't know much, but I know those things are just old stagnant things of no relevance to the next few decades. The real issue is are we young enough mentally to grapple with whatever the new things are?
All I see is a pathetic attempt at playing on words
Quote from: hellfire on June 25, 2020, 04:43:41 PM
God I wish you'd shut up sometimes. Are you just trying to get a massive post count while simultaneously pissing off half of the forum?
I've begun mostly skipping his/her posts when I scroll through threads, couldn't be arsed reading them. Whoever it is has quite a large post count since they registered just 2 months ago, which suggests to me that it's another user from this forum or the old one. Also the oh so clever word play on the username, Mugz with a z, and an avatar of mugs... just like Juggz with a z used to have an avatar of jugs.
Lysander springs to mind, he used to annoy a lot of people before he was banned. And Stenchy hasn't posted ever since McLove revealed his identity. He was a miserable bastard too.
Obviously it's somebody who wasn't liked anyway, hence the new identity.
Has a serious hard-on for dear ol astfgyl though.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
*deleted: re-post*
Almost makes you wish Nixer was still alive.
I think you hit the nail on the head there :laugh:
Yeah skipping this person, like the ads, is the besht bet.
Anyone who doesn't use capitals is not to be trusted... :abbath:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 25, 2020, 05:52:36 PM
Has a serious hard-on for dear ol astfgyl though.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
I thought there'd be dickpics posted if it hot any hotter between them
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 25, 2020, 05:52:36 PM
Has a serious hard-on for dear ol astfgyl though.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/1ea96a37371305b5e1f21ee22b7e0a58/tumblr_nn1nznruW41s9gsm7o1_r5_400.gifv)
Ye fuckin bollixes
Quote from: astfgyl on June 25, 2020, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on June 25, 2020, 05:52:36 PM
Has a serious hard-on for dear ol astfgyl though.... Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/1ea96a37371305b5e1f21ee22b7e0a58/tumblr_nn1nznruW41s9gsm7o1_r5_400.gifv)
Ye fuckin bollixes
Don't worry dude there's other characters on here more likely to want to have sex with you than me. It's frustrating. You're the most reasonable person on here, and even though I find it hilarious/uncanny, it's a nice change of pace to the usual internet nonsense.
You just discovered Bezmenov, but for me that's 15 years ago, and for the really clued in people that's 30 years ago, and was actioned 60 years ago in real life. Despite knowing this, people are still giving weight to stuff that clearly is designed to make people stressed out and to cause division today, stuff that's kind of tied to the late 70s in terms of relevancy. It's really upsetting. Or at least I find it upsetting that everything has changed in the last 6 months, so quickly, and on so many levels, but people are still taking BLM seriously, and fuck the police seriously, and disbanding the nuclear family seriously. Ok maybe not completely seriously, but somewhat seriously.
I'm married anyway so I'm obviously asexual
I did just discover Bezmenov as it happens, but I had my own thoughts in a similar vein before I heard his. Mad how the machine is able to find the exact video I need at the exact time when I might want to solidify my ideas into beliefs. It's the constant sales pitch that fries me, that things are literally trying to claw me into a constant fugue of advertisement and marketing of ideas and products.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 25, 2020, 09:20:44 PM
I'm married anyway so I'm obviously asexual
I did just discover Bezmenov as it happens, but I had my own thoughts in a similar vein before I heard his. Mad how the machine is able to find the exact video I need at the exact time when I might want to solidify my ideas into beliefs. It's the constant sales pitch that fries me, that things are literally trying to claw me into a constant fugue of advertisement and marketing of ideas and products.
it's like 'the truth' is a product both commercially and as something produced. saying that, we have to be able to discuss it; if even 1`00 old people around the country died from 'pandemic' related stress, isolation, and confusion, then that's noteworthy and the connected psychological abuse we all were witness to is also noteworthy.
if we were all put through a penitence ritual without being directly told, that's noteworthy too.
of course some people will be players in that game, some people will be aware of a game, and some people will be wearing gloves and masks and acting in a damaging manner; damaging to our dignity as a species, and it's not like we have any to waste.
Dignity!!!???
Lol I can't think of a single time I know of where humans as a whole were ever dignified. And I would challenge anyone here who is not a liverpool fan tonight to think of a single time when humans on a species wide level were ever dignified. Also when was any animal ever dignified either. every creature on this earth is undignified, especially all of them. and liverpool supporters. they snould all be ashamed of themselves for supporting chelsea tonight
Quote from: astfgyl on June 25, 2020, 10:29:34 PM
Dignity!!!???
Lol I can't think of a single time I know of where humans as a whole were ever dignified. And I would challenge anyone here who is not a liverpool fan tonight to think of a single time when humans on a species wide level were ever dignified. Also when was any animal ever dignified either. every creature on this earth is undignified, especially all of them. and liverpool supporters. they snould all be ashamed of themselves for supporting chelsea tonight
like I said we don't have any to spare. still it's not good to abuse what little there is.
I honestly reckon we as a species are gone too far into the bad to ever do any actual good. Sure we can do it on an individual level but when we do, we will be in the minority. Same with common sense and equality and equal opportunity and all of the things we hold dear whatever they are
Quote from: astfgyl on June 25, 2020, 11:04:16 PM
I honestly reckon we as a species are gone too far into the bad to ever do any actual good. Sure we can do it on an individual level but when we do, we will be in the minority. Same with common sense and equality and equal opportunity and all of the things we hold dear whatever they are
this realm rewards evil. that's the tragedy- it's utterly useless trying to do anything positive, but despite that there's fragments we shouldn't shit on. But most people just accept the futility and keep breeding, so how reliable is their sense of evil anyway...
I haven't seen this yet, but I'm guessing it's out there and pretty easy to come by. I'm also not really sure to what extent Thomas Piketty is known outside of France, he must be a fair bit, but I expect he's not exactly the household name he is here.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/capital_in_the_twenty_first_century
Finally someone uses their brain to diagnose the sitiation instead of all the drama queen bullshit we've been listening to in the last 4 years. A smart, smart lad Russell, far smarter than the majority of dopes out their commenting on politics at the moment
https://youtu.be/YofLsS3vfOU
Quote from: Pedrito on June 27, 2020, 12:28:13 AM
Finally someone uses their brain to diagnose the sitiation instead of all the drama queen bullshit we've been listening to in the last 4 years. A smart, smart lad Russell, far smarter than the majority of dopes out their commenting on politics at the moment
https://youtu.be/YofLsS3vfOU
I don't want to derail things too much but I can't resist saying that Russell took the yoke once or twice..
Russell took a lot of yokes in his time.
You took the cock from Mugz, what's the issue?
Quote from: Pedrito on June 27, 2020, 12:40:02 AM
You took the cock from Mugz, what's the issue?
he took it still dripping with your mums saliva
Quote from: Pedrito on June 27, 2020, 12:40:02 AM
You took the cock from Mugz, what's the issue?
Oh fuck off pedro. From all of the posts I've read from you I would have thought you would have had more about you than to be jumping on the bandwagon
Quote from: Pedrito on June 27, 2020, 12:28:13 AM
Finally someone uses their brain to diagnose the sitiation instead of all the drama queen bullshit we've been listening to in the last 4 years. A smart, smart lad Russell, far smarter than the majority of dopes out their commenting on politics at the moment
https://youtu.be/YofLsS3vfOU
if you're being sarcastic then posting a Russell Brand video is quite funny, but if you're serious, it's not great
Ah I'm only messing with yis lads. Honestly no offence intended.
I'm going to ask ye all once more to take me on my own merits or lack thereof..
Quote from: Pedrito on June 27, 2020, 12:50:14 AM
Ah I'm only messing with yis lads. Honestly no offence intended.
you can still come to the wedding
Quote from: mugz on June 27, 2020, 12:49:51 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 27, 2020, 12:28:13 AM
Finally someone uses their brain to diagnose the sitiation instead of all the drama queen bullshit we've been listening to in the last 4 years. A smart, smart lad Russell, far smarter than the majority of dopes out their commenting on politics at the moment
https://youtu.be/YofLsS3vfOU
if you're being sarcastic then posting a Russell Brand video is quite funny, but if you're serious, it's not great
This is in turn is funny since the video is a critique of people playing the man rather than the ball.
Bringing this one right back on topic, I was watching a bit of the questions put to the tech company heads there on Sky News. didn't catch much of it so I went online for a bit of a summary.
They have a tally on here of how many times each respective one repeated certain catchphrases which is amusing https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/07/29/technology/tech-ceos-hearing-testimony#what-ceos-said. Near the top of the page there.
Will have to read more to see how much this whole thing changes exactly nothing
Edit: that was only the first bit and it is back on again for the last while. Story so far is that they aren't doing anything to destroy competition and should be lauded for their can-do attitudes.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 27, 2020, 12:55:56 AM
Quote from: mugz on June 27, 2020, 12:49:51 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 27, 2020, 12:28:13 AM
Finally someone uses their brain to diagnose the sitiation instead of all the drama queen bullshit we've been listening to in the last 4 years. A smart, smart lad Russell, far smarter than the majority of dopes out their commenting on politics at the moment
https://youtu.be/YofLsS3vfOU
if you're being sarcastic then posting a Russell Brand video is quite funny, but if you're serious, it's not great
This is in turn is funny since the video is a critique of people playing the man rather than the ball.
People from Wicklow can only understand that analogy in the vaguest possible terms :)
Talking shite on line is generational apparently. Jr. got suspended - https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53567681
A mate sent me this saying it's not a spoof. My brain insisted it's a spoof. It's not a spoof :-[
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LEC8Vuxhc
It could be a SNL sketch, but sadly it's real.
What is even more amazing is that there is a market there for her
Not just on this forum but in 'Murica too! :abbath:
Quote from: Juggz on July 30, 2020, 03:09:56 PM
Not just on this forum but in 'Murica too! :abbath:
:laugh:
Save America, Stop Inbreeding. There's your slogan.
Might save some of the Irish that way, too
Quote from: Juggz on July 30, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
A mate sent me this saying it's not a spoof. My brain insisted it's a spoof. It's not a spoof :-[
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LEC8Vuxhc
She's a good shot all the same! I could do with a woman like that around the place to shoot a few grey crows that keep making noise on my roof!
Could you imagine FG and FF making video's like that :laugh:
Maybe not FF or FG, but we produce our own fair share of special cases
https://youtu.be/syQZ5D1YLko
"Hurley stick"? Fuck off.
Quote from: John Kimble on July 30, 2020, 06:47:32 PM
Maybe not FF or FG, but we produce our own fair share of special cases
https://youtu.be/syQZ5D1YLko
OH YEAH :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Wiseblood on July 30, 2020, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: Juggz on July 30, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
A mate sent me this saying it's not a spoof. My brain insisted it's a spoof. It's not a spoof :-[
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LEC8Vuxhc
She's a good shot all the same! I could do with a woman like that around the place to shoot a few grey crows that keep making noise on my roof!
She'd be a handy woman to have about the place in fairness. Grand big jeep, I'd say she'd cook up a grand breakfast in the morning and I'd say she'd be no angel in the sack either..god bless Amurica!
It's amazing what you can get done with a BIG, FUCKIN', GUN!!! :laugh:
Georgia, one of the Redneck states. I love how they're anti abortion and pro gun. "We won't kill them IN the womb we'll kill them outside".
I've been in Georgia, and you are generalising massively there.
Doesn't mean it's not a Redneck zone.
What does that even mean? From experience, I'd say the people in West Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama are far more welcoming and genuine people than in California for example.
So what if they are pro-gun and anti-abortion to a greater extent than your average blue state? It's not quite as oxymoronic as you seem to think it is.
Yep massive generalisations. And then we wonder why people might have a certain siege mentality. Some of the worst racism you'll find is the east and west coasts of the northern half of the states. Segregation as good as exists still in many of these supposedly liberal, firward thinking areas.
QuoteReal estate blog Movoto used data from the U.S. Census Bureau to establish the Top 10 redneck cities based on the following criteria: the percentage of population that didn't complete high school, number of gun and ammo stores per capita, number of taxidermists per capita, number of cowboy boot stores per capita, number of country radio stations per capita, number of NASCAR race tracks, number of Walmarts per capita and number of riding lawn mower/tractor repair shops per capita.
Number 1? Atlanta, Georgia! :laugh:
https://tasteofcountry.com/10-most-redneck-cities-in-america/
And that's from a source (i.e. tasteofcountry.com ) where "redneck" is as likely to be seen as a badge of honour as an insult. Now, lighten up y'all...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3F_Tti09Y0
Atlanta is a majority black city.
Anyways, there's a lot to be said about the South, in spite of the horrendous drug problem destroying parts of Georgia and Appalachia. Fewer Starbucks and pink haired crybabies around.
Haha, from one generalization to another! Atlanta is actually well known for being something of an LGBT stronghold in the US ;)
I guess it's a stronghold for just about everything; a model of extreme diversity perhaps! Just seemed comical to take as controversial someone saying Georgia has a lot of "rednecks".
I'm not generalising really, just stating a fact. Over 50% of Atlantians are black. An LGBT stronghold? Alex Jones water pollution making the bronco busters gayer than the national average or what?
I took issue with the 'it's a redneck zone', which is a bit of a daft thing to say. I spent a fortnight travelling around the south eastern US, including Atlanta, and I saw very few plaid shirts, nor did I hear anyone say 'uh huh, I hate dem negroes'.
The problem here is rather with you equating "redneck" with "racist" then. Willie Nelson had no problem referring to himself as a redneck (he often did), but he certainly wasn't a racist.
It's often implicit in the term coming from outsiders, as you know perfectly well.
For a highly intelligent lad, you play the daft wee laddie to a T at times.
Redneck is generally used as a derogatory term and does imply elements of racism and incest and not going to school. Guns as well, and country music.
As with all stereotypes, such as minorities committing crimes for example, it doesn't come from nowhere.
I ain't playing no daft wee laddie, it's just that race wasn't even in the conversation.
This is the current, elected governor of Georgia, fyi:
https://youtu.be/_TJS7cleb7E
You really do pick some funny battles Kev.
You're outnumbered on this one Kev. That's 2 conservative as campaigns posted lately and ya, one would be forgiven for thinking they're a spoof. Even Southpark would have difficulty making a parody of them.
That video is ridiculous, just like that pansy mayor in Portland joining in the protests and getting a nice dose of freedom gas up his hooter.
It's getting very entrenched over there, it's getting to tinderbox levels.
What battles am I picking? I just said that it's a gross generalisation to call Georgia a 'redneck zone'. That daft video hardly represents the place as much as that imbecile virtue signaller diBlasio represents New Yorkers or the arch woke Khan does your average Londoner. T'was you wading in about Atlanta bring an LGBT stronghold and number one redneck city, which I've seen first hand is simply not the case.
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 31, 2020, 11:35:38 AM
You're outnumbered on this one Kev. That's 2 conservative as campaigns posted lately and ya, one would be forgiven for thinking they're a spoof. Even Southpark would have difficulty making a parody of them.
I'm outnumbered at all times when it comes to anything related to politics or demographics lad, I'm used to it :)
He ran on openly redneck policies because he knew that would get him elected in Georgia. He got elected in Georgia. So, it seems a silly battle to get into to tell someone that facetiously referring to Georgia as a redneck state is a "gross generalization". At best, it's a slight generalization, nothing worth getting offended on behalf of. I certainly wouldn't get offended if someone said that London is full of "arch-woke" ultra-liberals. Why not? Because it is, regardless of how many blue-tie wearing financiers live there too!
Being offended is what your shower do, I believe I was simply correcting what I consider to be a, let's say, 'generalisation', sin nada. Call a spade a spade all you like, I couldn't care less. It's a free country, or at least it used to be. As the user who enjoys and engages in correcting others more than any other, and by some distance , whether they were being facetious or not, I'm surprised you think I'm getting offended or 'picking battles'.
Funny or not, 'livingabortion' was just trying to make a joke based on a stereotype...a stereotype which, for purposes of a joke, largely holds up in the context of the video preceding it. You coming in with a "Well, actually..." style correction seemed to go very much against the kind of "anti-PC" schtick you go on about. But sure look it, we all have our own triggers based on our personal experiences!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 31, 2020, 07:38:28 AM
What does that even mean? From experience, I'd say the people in West Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama are far more welcoming and genuine people than in California for example.
So what if they are pro-gun and anti-abortion to a greater extent than your average blue state? It's not quite as oxymoronic as you seem to think it is.
Touched a nerve have I? :laugh:
"AAY LIIIIKE, GUNS, JESUS AND NASCAR!"
It is fairly oxymoronic. "We don't allow killing while they're in the womb, but outside it's open season".
And, I didn't say they were unwelcoming
Hey Coamhain, do you fancy your cousin? :laugh: (only joking)
That contradiction joke only really works with the death penalty btw, and since Georgia also has that...
Ah yeah, I hear they're great for the KKK-éad míle fáilte in the South alright
Ha, that's just reminded me of that joke from the time of the Ryder Cup in Ireland;
Prionsias De Rossa greets some of the players off the planes and Tiger Woods gets to asking him what he knows about the venue.
"Th-th-the v-venue? It-t-t's at th-the Ke-K-K-K C-club."
"What! Screw that man, I'm getting back on the plane! I get enough shit from those crackers back home!"
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 31, 2020, 11:30:22 AM
This is the current, elected governor of Georgia, fyi:
https://youtu.be/_TJS7cleb7E
You really do pick some funny battles Kev.
That video is hilarious. You could seem him laughing as he was saying the lines :laugh:
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on July 31, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
Ah yeah, I hear they're great for the KKK-éad míle fáilte in the South alright
Just let that hang there like the vile, odious fart that it is.
Quote from: livingabortion on July 31, 2020, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 31, 2020, 07:38:28 AM
What does that even mean? From experience, I'd say the people in West Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama are far more welcoming and genuine people than in California for example.
So what if they are pro-gun and anti-abortion to a greater extent than your average blue state? It's not quite as oxymoronic as you seem to think it is.
Touched a nerve have I? :laugh:
"AAY LIIIIKE, GUNS, JESUS AND NASCAR!"
It is fairly oxymoronic. "We don't allow killing while they're in the womb, but outside it's open season".
And, I didn't say they were unwelcoming
Hey Coamhain, do you fancy your cousin? :laugh: (only joking)
I'm not getting into the abortion thing again, it'll end up with me and Chris sending anthrax through the post to each other (could be a CD or the powder, toxicity guaranteed). But the vast majority of gun crime over there is committed with illegal firearms. I don't see why they shouldn't have the right to protect what's there's with freedomarms.
Playing devil's advocate here a bit, but what is it that is so wrong with that video anyway?
Ok so he's a bit stereotypical to be fair but it seems that he wishes to uphold the right to bear arms as outlined in their constitution. That in itself doesn't seem so bad. He also wants to remove folks who are illegally residing in the country. Nothing wrong with that either. (other than the irony of almost all Americans being illegal occupiers of somebody else's land, but that is historical stuff). He also wants to drive a big jeep. No bother with that either. In fact, with the reintroduction of the greens into Irish politics and their poxy idea of banning petrol and diesel cars after 2030, I'm inclined to agree with him to an extent. There is also the argument that if guns are criminalised, only the criminals will have guns, which seems to be a fair enough assessment of things. I say that as someone who is glad that I live in a country where any fucker can't just go get a gun without going through a bit of proper process, but also as someone who is aware that in this country it is no bother for the criminals to get them.
I don't align with left or right by the way, but I find a lot of the arguments between the entrenched fascinating, as I do the idea of being a fervent supporter of any ideaology.
And in an effort to at least pay lip service to the thread title, that antitrust hearing was a load of shite. It seemed about as useless as the tribunals we used to be so fond of here.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with the video. I just said it was a video made by a redneck in order to garner support from rednecks by using as many stereotypical redneck references as possible, because he knew there were enough "redneck and proud" types registered to vote in his state to get him elected. Apparently we should be able to joke about anything, but premising a joke on Georgia being a redneck state, despite its governor getting himself elected on essentially that same premise, that's a step too far.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 31, 2020, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on July 31, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
Ah yeah, I hear they're great for the KKK-éad míle fáilte in the South alright
Just let that hang there like the vile, odious fart that it is.
Lad, it's a joke, and fairly obviously so.
Why is this bothering you so much?
Why is what bothering me so much? Some of you seem to be imagining me like Leather Mike with steaming coming out of his ears after Chris called him a cartoon character.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 31, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
I didn't say there was anything wrong with the video. I just said it was a video made by a redneck in order to garner support from rednecks by using as many stereotypical redneck references as possible, because he knew there were enough "redneck and proud" types registered to vote in his state to get him elected. Apparently we should be able to joke about anything, but premising a joke on Georgia being a redneck state, despite its governor getting himself elected on essentially that same premise, that's a step too far.
Fair points there. I can see that is exactly what he was doing as well. I was just sort of stirring about how we all go into stitches at these videos (me included!) when once I get down to the nuts and bolts of it in my head there is nothing inherently wrong with it.
I didn't say there was or wasn't anything wrong with it ;)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 31, 2020, 07:04:54 PM
I didn't say there was or wasn't anything wrong with it ;)
The words 'ah fair enough' must stick in your craw something rotten ladín 🤣
I'm on to you Kev, I'll be waiting for the day someone tells a blonde joke and you come out with, "I've met Lauren Southern and Tomi Lahren, and you are generalizing massively there!" :laugh:
Fuck off 😂
I'm still not sure whether I shouldn't have gone with the original quote's "I've been in..." :P
Beer's kicking in lads?
I'm sunburnt as fuck from the swimming pool, 40 degrees out. Car is parked as if an asshole had parked. Slightly delirious.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 31, 2020, 07:27:15 PM
Beer's kicking in lads?
This soundtrack to dementia from the Recommended non metal album is what's kicking in! Definitely feeling pretty out of it here.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 31, 2020, 06:21:52 PM
Why is what bothering me so much? Some of you seem to be imagining me like Leather Mike with steaming coming out of his ears after Chris called him a cartoon character.
A real shame all the Leather Mike sagas are lost
Ah I was being a bit of Cunt there, ragging on a stereotype :laugh:
You lads a great craic, it's interesting reading your posts. I actually forgot about this site for a while., then again I can forget a lot.
Cheers ::)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 31, 2020, 07:23:42 PM
I'm on to you Kev, I'll be waiting for the day someone tells a blonde joke and you come out with, "I've met Lauren Southern and Tomi Lahren, and you are generalizing massively there!" :laugh:
I'd have to be dug out of them
Think auld Lauren retired. Some ride.
That sort of shit will no doubt appeal to a large contingent of Americans. Amazing how nutty politics is becoming over there, I mean even more than usual. It's a freak show.
I'm glad I don't live in the U.S. "Land Of The Free" with the highest level of incarceration in the world.
645,300 – More than China.
1,319,637 – More than Russia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm
That's cos China just shoots them.
Better dead than in Yank prison.
Too right.
I'll give the commies that, you get found guilty, you are pulled out the back and given 're-education' right and quick.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on August 01, 2020, 07:03:08 PM
That's cos China just shoots them.
Or classes them as residential factory workers.
Quote from: livingabortion on August 01, 2020, 07:21:28 PM
Better dead than in Yank prison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItAzJD0o9NQ
Indeed
The reds are still under the beds in the USA I had thought recently with Trump that the US might be languishing in 1980s a little but no they are actually stuck in a 1950s world view where the red army is about to invade at any moment. The also don't understand socialism in the way that Europeans do where socialism can also equate to democratisation and indeed where social democratic governments are perfectly acceptable. It's also incredibly ironic to see Trump supporters parrot Trumps own excuses in blaming protesters or China for the current state of the US if anyone is to be considered responsible it should is those who put him office.
Quote from: Juggz on July 30, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
A mate sent me this saying it's not a spoof. My brain insisted it's a spoof. It's not a spoof :-[
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5LEC8Vuxhc
Now elected.
#notallgeorgians
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/11/georgia-republican-primary-marjorie-taylor-greene
Shit she got in. She's a nasty piece of work.
Here's something else - Donald Trump is driving Americans to renounce their citizenship:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/how-donald-trump-is-driving-americans-to-renounce-their-citizenship
That's some piece of hack journalism there. Is he responsible for AIDs and teenage pregnancy aswell? Pathetic
Just read a piece on Kamala Harris and the entire thing was about race and how she's so black and yet so Indian and race and race and race. We're going fucking backwards not forwards.
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 10:26:52 AM
Shit she got in. She's a nasty piece of work.
Here's something else - Donald Trump is driving Americans to renounce their citizenship:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/how-donald-trump-is-driving-americans-to-renounce-their-citizenship
What a load of absolute bollocks.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 10:26:52 AM
Shit she got in. She's a nasty piece of work.
Here's something else - Donald Trump is driving Americans to renounce their citizenship:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/how-donald-trump-is-driving-americans-to-renounce-their-citizenship
What a load of absolute bollocks.
And you can say that unequivocally?
Quote from: Pedrito on August 12, 2020, 10:40:04 AM
Just read a piece on Kamala Harris and the entire thing was about race and how she's so black and yet so Indian and race and race and race. We're going fucking backwards not forwards.
Poor choice, Susan Rice was the clear choice. Harris implied he was a racist in the primaries, and that he sexually abused women . She is a total race baiter, wait for the shite she comes out with over the coming months.
How's it bollocks? The numbers the numbers renouncing it are on the up, and if you hang around any US-centric forum like Reddit you'll realise that yes, there's a fuckload of Yanks that want to abandon ship (but they can't because of how "great" the economic system is over there).
10 times as many fleeing Chicago, NY and Portland due to insane, out of control rioting and looting. God forbid she write a piece about that
The headline is clickbait, and the tone of the article is the same old hackneyed 'blame trump' with not a single piece of evidence or data that Trump is the sole reason for people renouncing their citizenship. The shriek of a headline is then diluted down to 'Trump is helping to blah blah blah, like some cream that 'helps' slow down the ageing process, in other words, bullshit.So yes, without any hesitation, that article is absolute bollocks. The left hates America, they attack people for waving their own flag ffs. Trump is not to blame for everything.
It's the Guardian, but. What can you expect from a pig but a grunt?
Whether it's bollocks or not, it's an opinion piece, not a journalistic article. The opinion section of the Guardian resides in the circle of hell just above the Jokes thread of this forum.
This is the "Grab 'Em By The Pussy" Guy/Bleach Kills Coronavirus" and while it might be an opinion piece, it's not a surprise if people are finally getting sick of his shit.
Yeah, they print Owen Jones' 'work'. 'Nuff said.
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 11:33:37 AM
This is the "Grab 'Em By The Pussy" Guy/Bleach Kills Coronavirus" and while it might be an opinion piece, it's not a surprise if people are finally getting sick of his shit.
Those higher wages and putting all those women in his cabinet, bolstering the economy must be scant consolation for saying something daft in a locker room 14 years ago.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 11:34:10 AM
Yeah, they print Owen Jones' 'work'. 'Nuff said.
True that's not good, he is a major bag of shite.
Biden is way ahead in the polls https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/ (or is that "bollocks" too?)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 11:33:37 AM
This is the "Grab 'Em By The Pussy" Guy/Bleach Kills Coronavirus" and while it might be an opinion piece, it's not a surprise if people are finally getting sick of his shit.
Those higher wages and putting all those women in his cabinet, bolstering the economy must be scant consolation for saying something daft in a locker room 14 years ago.
That's part of the rough and tumble of it, the opposition goes back to dig up stuff that can be used against them.
Someone else was even further 'ahead' in the polls 4 years ago, and guess what, she lost. So it could be argued that it is, indeed, 'bollocks'.
Polls :laugh:
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 11:33:37 AM
This is the "Grab 'Em By The Pussy" Guy/Bleach Kills Coronavirus" and while it might be an opinion piece, it's not a surprise if people are finally getting sick of his shit.
Those higher wages and putting all those women in his cabinet, bolstering the economy must be scant consolation for saying something daft in a locker room 14 years ago.
That's part of the rough and tumble of it, the opposition goes back to dig up stuff that can be used against them.
To an extent, but Trump could invent a cure for cancer by himself in a lab and prove it, and Chris and his buddies at Vox and BLM would refuse to accept it or say 'fair play', because it's Donald Trump.
'So he cured cancer, he supports the police against the peaceful riote...protesters in Portland! Racist!'
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 11:43:53 AM
Someone else was even further 'ahead' in the polls 4 years ago, and guess what, she lost. So it could be argued that it is, indeed, 'bollocks'.
Well we all know that there was something very iffy about that, and it's a whole other ball of shit I don't have time to get into.
I know Clinton wasn't squeaky clean either, (ie. the emails), but just because the opposition was bad doesn't make you good. He just kept shouting "Crooked Hilary" and he pretty much Pied Piper'd the mindless masses.
Hopefully the poll will be right this time and he'll be out. Having said that there's talk about he "refusing to leave" if he's not elected. What a Man Baby.
Biden could cure cancer by himself and the republicans would still claim he has dementia. Politics :)
TRUMP CURE CANCER!? Ah lad, even as a fantastical idea that's ridiculous idea. He can't even make his wife happy :laugh:
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 12:04:14 PM
TRUMP CURE CANCER!? Ah lad, even as a fantastical idea that's ridiculous idea. He can't even make his wife happy :laugh:
Bleach will kill cancer cells, it's true.
It does a nice job on the Jacks too :P
I'll let the Trumper take it first.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 11:46:53 AM
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 11:33:37 AM
This is the "Grab 'Em By The Pussy" Guy/Bleach Kills Coronavirus" and while it might be an opinion piece, it's not a surprise if people are finally getting sick of his shit.
Those higher wages and putting all those women in his cabinet, bolstering the economy must be scant consolation for saying something daft in a locker room 14 years ago.
That's part of the rough and tumble of it, the opposition goes back to dig up stuff that can be used against them.
To an extent, but Trump could invent a cure for cancer by himself in a lab and prove it, and Chris and his buddies at Vox and BLM would refuse to accept it or say 'fair play', because it's Donald Trump.
'So he cured cancer, he supports the police against the peaceful riote...protesters in Portland! Racist!'
I assume I'm lumped in the group there too... If he did invent a cure for cancer I'd applaud that but still berate him for the fact that he's been a piece of shit all his life. One right does not negate his phone book's-worth of wrongs.
Meanwhile he's instead claiming that the Spanish Flu probably ended WW2 so I don't think there's much chance of him inventing a cure for cancer... the only thing this lad has invented is his own reality.
I read the court documents where Trump and Epstein were co defendants in the accused rape of a 13 year old girl. Absolutely vile shit. He's a fucking predator.
Quote from: Ducky on August 12, 2020, 11:05:57 AM
How's it bollocks? The numbers the numbers renouncing it are on the up, and if you hang around any US-centric forum like Reddit you'll realise that yes, there's a fuckload of Yanks that want to abandon ship (but they can't because of how "great" the economic system is over there).
The vast majority of that is for economic reasons. USA is one of only a handful of countries that tax non-resident citizens who live and earn abroad. And the IRS have been getting more and more aggressive over it over the past few years, started cracking down under W, and it got even worse when Obama brought in the FATCA.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 12, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
I read the court documents where Trump and Epstein were co defendants in the accused rape of a 13 year old girl. Absolutely vile shit. He's a fucking predator.
Have you a link for that?
Ducky lad, a piece of shit his whole life? Bit strong, and a symptom of Trump Derangement syndrome.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 12, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
I read the court documents where Trump and Epstein were co defendants in the accused rape of a 13 year old girl. Absolutely vile shit. He's a fucking predator.
Have you a link for that?
Ducky lad, a piece of shit his whole life? Bit strong, and a symptom of Trump Derangement syndrome.
Yeah. It's been well documented. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. The only derangement happening here is thinking this predatory sociopath is even vaguely okay.
At what point do you say to yourself "there's no smoke without fire" when this clown has been standing beside a continuous plume of every colour smoke imaginable?
And I'd bet my left bollock on shit coming out about him (probably after his death) diddling kids with his buddies Epstein and Maxwell. And there's far more likelihood of him ordering Epstein be killed than there is of him curing cancer. But he's just a humble pussy grabber that allowed for US troops to have bounties on their heads, mocked a reporter for having a disability, has the odd wee scandal with the likes of the Ukraine, right?
A lot of what you are accusing him off is at best speculation, worst case your deluding yourself by believing wholesale what the media feeds you, the vast majority of which despises him. Nothing personal lad, I think you're a sound poster but you seem incapable of giving any credence to anything positive he's done, it's like he's the quare fella as far as your concerned.
Take the pussy grab comment. He said it in private, amongst what he believed were friends, and over a decade before he was president. What is the big fucking deal? Madeleine Albright was caught in camera saying 'disgusting Serbs' whilst organising an illegal bombing campaign on them, Hilary with that nauseating shit after Gaddafi was killed, does everyone have to be hounded for life for a single comment, regardless of how tasteless? Him saying something in poor taste trumps (no pun intended) utterly his police reform, employment achievements (especially for non-whites), standing up to a quasi -tyrannical judiciary, telling it exactly how it is about the dystopian hell being created in China etc. Him saying a few stupid things (which have done no real harm outside offending highly strung sensibilities) is secondary as far as I'm concerned.
Psychopath? Jaysus let's not join Chris and my kids mother with the amateur psychology hour. That's a frankly outrageous thing to say.
Trump is not that bad.
People still care about that pussy grabbing statement?
You can be guaranteed most of the people giving out about it have said a lot worse amongst friends.
I know I have.
I'd agree in thinking that he's not that bad.
Full of shit ya. But not what the media makes him out to be.
Biden would be more of a fuck up imo.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 03:33:44 PM
Take the pussy grab comment. He said it in private, amongst what he believed were friends
Where was he and what friends was he with?
Backstage at a TV show, I think he said it to the host.
He apologised for it, what do people expect? To flagellate himself through the streets, everyone shouting 'shame! shame!' at him, Cersai Lannister style?
I do think Boli Bolingoli should be made to do that though, the daft bastard.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 12, 2020, 01:33:54 PM
I read the court documents where Trump and Epstein were co defendants in the accused rape of a 13 year old girl. Absolutely vile shit. He's a fucking predator.
Have you a link for that?
Ducky lad, a piece of shit his whole life? Bit strong, and a symptom of Trump Derangement syndrome.
http://thememoryhole2.org/blog/doe-v-trump
Article about it with the court documents. If you scroll down to complaints and related documets its there. It was eventually dropped but I believe it happened as that level of detail from a 13 year old i find hard to imagine them making it up. Fucking vile shit.
Quote from: blessed1 on August 12, 2020, 03:42:59 PM
People still care about that pussy grabbing statement?
You can be guaranteed most of the people giving out about it have said a lot worse amongst friends.
I know I have.
I'd agree in thinking that he's not that bad.
Full of shit ya. But not what the media makes him out to be.
Biden would be more of a fuck up imo.
How many court cases has Biden being indited on rape?
Hi, Biden is a well known fanny merchant, he's a dirty auld bastard, and if he's elected, he'll be flayed by Fox and pals the way Trump is getting all ways at the moment.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
Hi, Biden is a well known fanny merchant, he's a dirty auld bastard, and if he's elected, he'll be flayed by Fox and pals the way Trump is getting all ways at the moment.
Did you read the court documents in the link I posted. If so what are your tboughts on it.
I read through it yeah. He might have been involved, and if he was, throw the cunt to the lions. Innocent until proven guilty though, I mean that Brett Kavanaugh was about to be stitched up or he got away with murder, depends on your perspective.
The metoo thing is making people very skittish about questioning sexual accusations of any kind.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 04:48:56 PM
I read through it yeah. He might have been involved, and if he was, throw the cunt to the lions. Innocent until proven guilty though, I mean that Brett Kavanaugh was about to be stitched up or he got away with murder, depends on your perspective.
The metoo thing is making people very skittish about questioning sexual accusations of any kind.
I get ya but what there's a bit of a difference between what Brett was accused of and the multiple accusations against Trump which include difilement of children. 1 or 2 accusations you could maybe explain away but what's trump at now. 20 or more. In this instance I definitely think there's no smoke without fire.
He has behaved very badly when it comes to getting his hole, but I wasn't aware of the Epstein-esque carry on. Obviously I'm not going to defend his behaviour either way, I'll read a bit more. He's not me Da or anything, a spade is a spade, and fuck him if he is guilty.
That Prince Andrew with that catastrophic interview he stupidly gave, guilty as fuck, you don't need a degree in criminology to read his body language and analyse his bizarre answers as tantamount to a confession. Trump has owned up to having a, ahem, chequered history where fanny is concerned, but if he was involved with kids, Maxwell might sing, who knows.
Prince Andrew guilty.
Trump innocent until proven guilty.
:)
I would have given the fresh prince the same courtesy until I saw the interview.
Ah yer messin' now ;)
Quote from: blessed1 on August 12, 2020, 03:42:59 PM
People still care about that pussy grabbing statement?
You can be guaranteed most of the people giving out about it have said a lot worse amongst friends.
I know I have.
I'd agree in thinking that he's not that bad.
Full of shit ya. But not what the media makes him out to be.
Biden would be more of a fuck up imo.
It's a catchall for the fact he's got a laundry list of women accusing him of sexual misconduct stretching back decades and he's a know womaniser.
But sure that's a grand look for the president of the good ol' US of A. And implying if your daughter wasn't your daughter you'd smash her is pure lad banter, right?
Sure look, you're entitled to your opinion. But I beseech you to at least try to be balanced.
Or do you want to be out shooting kulaks and sending dissenters to camps like the other lad?
With the amount of venom out there for Trump, surely if there was anything in the above Jane Doe case, he'd be getting slaughtered left, right and centre for it?
Quote from: Pedrito on August 12, 2020, 06:16:49 PM
With the amount of venom out there for Trump, surely if there was anything in the above Jane Doe case, he'd be getting slaughtered left, right and centre for it?
This is it, if Don Le-Mon isn't shiteing on about it...
Honestly, are people actually just reading the BBC and RTE for all their news on this stuff? There is a world of resources on youtube alone. Something very interesting that is starting to come out in the past few weeks is this, almost 'incentivising' of the riots in big cities in the States. Violence, looting, murder is allowed and what happens..people start to go elsewhere. The middle class, as per usual is the one that takes the hit..people put out of business, financial ruin etc. You then get a whole load of cheap property to buy up, law and order restored, make a killing selling it and developing it.
There's also the 'homeless industrial complex' thing that's starting to spring up in California. They're going to start making money out of homelessness, and not in the way you would have wished they did it. Non stop shenanigans going on.
No I believe
Quote from: Pedrito on August 12, 2020, 06:40:36 PM
Honestly, are people actually just reading the BBC and RTE for all their news on this stuff?
No the last link with the documents wasn't RTE or BBC :)
Word.
Quote from: pete on August 12, 2020, 06:43:49 PM
No I believeQuote from: Pedrito on August 12, 2020, 06:40:36 PM
Honestly, are people actually just reading the BBC and RTE for all their news on this stuff?
No the last link with the documents wasn't RTE or BBC :)
Hi this lad is what the Spanish call a 'ball toucher'😂
:laugh: I noticed..
In keeping with the original spirit of this thread before it went all Don Bad Pedo, Don Good Guy - I wonder what'll happen if Trump decides to roll with Twitter's latest shitty gimmick, and prevent people replying to his tweets? After all, the courts refused to allow him to block anyone a while ago. Though they have no issue in deleting his tweets - in fact Twitter's head of communications who disabled Trump's account last week is Kamala Harris's former Press Secretary.
And Twitter decided to ban all links to Bitchute video. I wonder how long before the Feds decide to treat Twitter as a publisher and not a platform provider.
This a step closer to communism.
Most twitter-censored creators are using parler now. Trump has a proxy account there already.
Caomhaoin, if you lived in the U.S. would you have voted for Trump?
Jayz, gas man!
A fair question :)
Not only would have I voted for him, if have contributed to his campaign.
"I can get away with criminal sexual assault because I have so much money!"
I don't really know why it's being brought up again here, but this is what Trump said to try to impress a man young enough to be his son. It wasn't locker-room talk among friends; it was a pathetic narcissist seeking approbation by claiming to be so powerful he can get away with anything. It doesn't necessarily mean he has done this, but it's a quite strong indication that he sees it as something other "real men" should recognize as a badge of honour and be envious of. In other words, he's selfish enough for it to have been an admission of fact, but also pathetic enough for it to have been a fabrication for ego strokes.
Personally, I honestly don't know which scenario is a worse reflection of his nature, is my point. We've all engaged in some level of erection driven gagging to ride talk in our lives, but this is so ego driven and pathetic, that's what made it skin crawling for me anyway.
Close the thread, our intellectual Stalin has set us straight.
:laugh:
You'd swear the guy was out raping and pillaging like Genghis Khan or something. Load of hysterical nonsense
My point being he's also rich enough to be getting sexual assault claims fired at him from all angles. Joe Biden the same. It seems every second lad with a bit of power and money turns into a sexual predator these days. Targetted more like. If these guys are all that's being alleged, there are a thousand hungry young prosecutors that would give their mother's fanny to take these things to court. But there aren't. Plenty of it, if not the vast majority is more than likely waffle.
Quote from: Pedrito on August 12, 2020, 09:13:24 PM
:laugh:
You'd swear the guy was out raping and pillaging like Genghis Khan or something. Load of hysterical nonsense
😄
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 08:39:48 PM
Not only would have I voted for him, if have contributed to his campaign.
Says it all.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 09:09:17 PM
Close the thread, our intellectual Stalin has set us straight.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Trump is scum, and so are his ilk.
Quote from: Pedrito on August 12, 2020, 09:23:00 PM
My point being he's also rich enough to be getting sexual assault claims fired at him from all angles.
I totally agree, that's why I'm not going down the "no smoke without fire" road. I'm beating out the "what kind of pathetic spa cries fire where there isn't?" road :abbath:
Quote from: livingabortion on August 12, 2020, 09:48:10 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 09:09:17 PM
Close the thread, our intellectual Stalin has set us straight.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Trump is scum, and so are his ilk.
That's crazy talk. He might be a buffoon but lots of very smart people voted for him, many of whom aren't even rapists or racists.
And exponentially more slack-jawed yokels voted for him
Quote from: blessed1 on August 12, 2020, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on August 12, 2020, 09:13:24 PM
:laugh:
You'd swear the guy was out raping and pillaging like Genghis Khan or something. Load of hysterical nonsense
😄
If he wins the next election he should turn up in something like that..the meltdowns would be epic. Nnnoooooaaaagghhhhh!!!
I think he's an idiot for the most part and I'm the first one to have a laugh at the yokels but he has to be doing something right. I also think some of the comments would suggest he's the devil incarnate. He's just a fat mysoginist bollox. His detractors are like the perpetually offended brigade. It's not like he rode any of our mothers. But he is a very unlikable fucker, I'm not a fan, I just think people are getting their knickers in a twist.
Meanwhile Kamala Harris who 'believed' Joe Biden's sex assault accusers, now wants to be his vice-president. Do any of these cunts even have red blood running through their veins?
Kamala Harris is a useful idiot, she's a woman and a bit black, sorted. The left in a nutshell.
Quote from: Pedrito on August 12, 2020, 09:13:24 PM
:laugh:
You'd swear the guy was out raping and pillaging like Genghis Khan or something. Load of hysterical nonsense
In the court documents I posted when the 13 year old girl started crying during the rape he started punching her with a closed fist. And you class it as hysterical nonsense. Seems more like Genghis Khan to me.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 10:42:13 PM
Kamala Harris is a useful idiot, she's a woman and a bit black, sorted. The left in a nutshell.
Was she put on the ticket because she was a woman and black. More than likely. Get those votes. That I'd call good campaign management. As regards being an idiot. Attorney General of California. C'mon like.
She has low energy. She would never have gotten there if she was white.
It's a disgrace and racist.
That's not what a "useful idiot" is. Even if Harris was an idiot (she isn't) and useful to Biden (she is), she wouldn't be a useful idiot unless she didn't know why she was being brought into play and if being brought into play was contrary to her personal goals. She definitely knows why she has been chosen, and being chosen is a nice prelude to her own future presidential campaign.
I think she and Biden will be a terrible team though, if they win. A far cry from Sanders and AOC like.
Run for the hills Kulaks! The Greystones Commisar is here!
Trump is very low energy tonight!
That thing he does is funny were he reads the wrong word on the page he has but doesn't correct it and instead tries to make the word part of what he is saying. I could watch that all day.
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 12, 2020, 10:19:43 PM
I think he's an idiot for the most part and I'm the first one to have a laugh at the yokels but he has to be doing something right. I also think some of the comments would suggest he's the devil incarnate. He's just a fat mysoginist bollox. His detractors are like the perpetually offended brigade. It's not like he rode any of our mothers. But he is a very unlikable fucker, I'm not a fan, I just think people are getting their knickers in a twist.
He's got the demagoguery down to a T and he's well in bed with Putin, do those count as stuff he's done right?
If that cunt senator McCarthy was about, a couple of ye would be for the gulag
Like I said, I'm not a fan. I wouldn't have voted for him. As it's not an issue that affects me in the slightest I really couldn't care less either way. I just think the screeching from the rafters only makes his neanderthal supporters more entrenched.
Hi! How many times has this Neanderthal supporter given you a laugh ya Limerick langer!
https://youtu.be/324akR35czE
Biden and Harris first press conference together. You have to skip in a bit on before it starts. No Sleepy Joe here.
Edit: Just watched some of the trump news conference. Why are sentences so hard for some people. And when he brought the charts out. The shittest David Attenborough you could ever imagine.
Wow! So woke!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 11:50:48 PM
Wow! So woke!
I assume you're speaking to me. I'm as far from woke as can be. I can form my own opinions quite well.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2020, 11:36:02 PM
Hi! How many times has this Neanderthal supporter given you a laugh ya Limerick langer!
I was more referring to the southern states but Kilkenny..... :laugh:
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 12, 2020, 11:42:38 PM
https://youtu.be/324akR35czE
Biden and Harris first press conference together. You have to skip in a bit on before it starts. No Sleepy Joe here.
Maybe not, but his bit about the little black and brown girls was not only cringe, but almost impossible not to perceive - within the political arena - as a calculated and cynical flourish. It's the "nice" political equivalent of the villain explaining his entire strategy even though it was perfectly obvious from the plot!
The short list for VP was made up entirely of non-Caucasian women too. The opposite of a meritocracy.
On the other hand - had the VP list consisted of only white males -, no one would have described the situation as "the opposite of a meritocracy", which is the point they were not at all subtly trying to make. Why should a short list of coloured women be any less meritorious, per se, than a short list of white men? Sure look at Mike Pence, he was chosen only to secure the key evangelical vote of people put off by just about the least christ-like presidential candidate you could imagine; he certainly didn't "deserve" it.
Ah come off it lad, white males were absolutely excluded, that affirmative action you enjoy. Patronising if you as me.
Just another confusing facet to the left in 2020, the trundling juggernaut with bizarre alliances between feminism and Islam, lads unironically waving Soviet flags combined with the homosexual one. Make your head spin!
I always considered communist revolutionaries to be tough, rough cigar chewers, not soyboys who tell you their pronouns whilst introducing themselves.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 13, 2020, 03:23:01 PM
Ah come off it lad, white males were absolutely excluded
Obviously, that's what I said, if you read me again.
I know, but I lust after you just acknowledge it without trying to rationalise it. Give daddy some sugar, come on.
Politics is politics. As I said, Mike Pence didn't get in on merit any more than Harris.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 13, 2020, 03:52:50 PM
Politics is politics. As I said, Mike Pence didn't get in on merit any more than Harris.
One is a far clearer example of a lack of meritocracy than the other, it's not even close to being debatable.
That's a wholly biased perspective, ignoring both how important the bible belt vote is and how prudish that community are (that pussy grab comment, and similar, could have lost him the election without Pence on board to white wash the campaign and reassure that a vote for Trump was a vote for God's will via Trump rather than a vote for Trump the man). One of the two examples is merely easier to identify on the surface, but again; isn't that the whole not so subtle point?
Speculation, pure and simple. I'm not denying that Pence may have helped Trump in the way you have stated, but I haven't seen any data. Only slogans. Why he chose him may seem a no-brainer for you, but Trump is entitled to choose whatever running mate he sees fit. No group was excluded from the field.
It's another thing entirely to make a big song and dance about how progressive Biden is by loudly snd publicly announcing that the field for selection would only be open to 'women of colour'. Cringe!
The whole lot of it is very transparent and I'm amazed sitting back watching the mass manipulation tactics and also amazed that the target audience seem to be oblivious to the fact that both their own chosen side and the opposition are playing them all like fiddles. The fucking state of how obvious it all is, like Biden with Harris or Trump with Pence. Everybody must be subconsciously resigned to the fact that nothing will ever really change and it matters not a fuck who wins what election, so it boils down to a simple popularity contest. Then the contest isn't even played out by being the most popular, it's more a case of what can we say to make the other fella less popular so then the actual debates are boiled down some sort of conflating something the opponent said years ago with whatever policies they are setting out now, and pure confabulation from both sides when challenged about anything and no one seems to care beyond picking the one they dislike less and go with it. Choose your Left or Right and that's essentially it. Madness really.
You're all right in your own ways in the above breakdowns. Harris and Pence chosen for specific reasons. It's politics and it's always been and always has been that way and it's why I scratch my head when people think these lot give two fucks about BLM or whatever the next load of hysterical shite that comes along will be.
The hope with 'Trump' was that he would 'drain the swamp'. People were sick to death of the 'back scratching' that had been going on beforehand to the detriment of the entire country. He was a 'hail mary pass', a shot in the dark, to see if things could change because the status quo was tearing the heart out of working class and middle class America. Many who voted for him believe he hasn't done that and Covid put a stop to the rest of it. And the issues still remain and are only getting worse. The rioting is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm not sure if either winning is going to be good in the long run, though, despite the entire media being against him, and whatever you think about him personally, I do believe Trump(intentionally or not) has shone a light on a whole lot of issues that were being plastered over for decades. China, The Border, trade, all massive massive issues that have been swept under the carpet to avoid offence and nothing done about them, allowed to wallow and fester.
Caomhaoin are you wanting to give The Donal suction? :laugh:
'Just lay back and think of Carol Vorderman Daddy '
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 13, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Speculation, pure and simple. I'm not denying that Pence may have helped Trump in the way you have stated, but I haven't seen any data. Only slogans. Why he chose him may seem a no-brainer for you, but Trump is entitled to choose whatever running mate he sees fit. No group was excluded from the field.
It's another thing entirely to make a big song and dance about how progressive Biden is by loudly snd publicly announcing that the field for selection would only be open to 'women of colour'. Cringe!
Pence was totally brought in to shore up the Christian vote. You go the field was open. Ha. Now the 1 thing about Harris is Trump can't do the usual line of they're weak on crime cause she was fuck wasn't weak on crime as attorney general.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 13, 2020, 02:43:28 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 12, 2020, 11:42:38 PM
https://youtu.be/324akR35czE
Biden and Harris first press conference together. You have to skip in a bit on before it starts. No Sleepy Joe here.
Maybe not, but his bit about the little black and brown girls was not only cringe, but almost impossible not to perceive - within the political arena - as a calculated and cynical flourish. It's the "nice" political equivalent of the villain explaining his entire strategy even though it was perfectly obvious from the plot!
Yah a good few cringe moments. I was more on about he talks like a presidential candidate. With coherent sentences. It says a lot when out of 350 million people these are the 2 best candidates you could come up with. As Americans are so big on slogans Biden should just run with "I'm not that guy".
If Trump used the slogan "Make America Great Again Again" he'd have my vote.
The man would have made a killing during the Celtic Tiger
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 13, 2020, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 13, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Speculation, pure and simple. I'm not denying that Pence may have helped Trump in the way you have stated, but I haven't seen any data. Only slogans. Why he chose him may seem a no-brainer for you, but Trump is entitled to choose whatever running mate he sees fit. No group was excluded from the field.
It's another thing entirely to make a big song and dance about how progressive Biden is by loudly snd publicly announcing that the field for selection would only be open to 'women of colour'. Cringe!
Pence was totally brought in to shore up the Christian vote. You go the field was open. Ha. Now the 1 thing about Harris is Trump can't do the usual line of they're weak on crime cause she was fuck wasn't weak on crime as attorney general.
Open in the sense that specific groups, white people and men in this case, weren't excluded publicly. It's the 'look how progressive we are' angle, because the other lad hates women and brown people. Even though that accusation is verifiably false.
She wasn't easy on crime, Rice seemed the better candidate to me though, hard as nails. She might have been a bit 'too' black though, who knows?
I don't think Pence hates women as such, he's just doing that overtly Christian thing where he exhibits the emotional maturity of a 13 year old when one of those vagina-wielding lunatics has the temerity to be in the same room as him.
Yeah but that's fair enough though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 13, 2020, 06:41:20 PM
'Just lay back and think of Carol Vorderman Daddy '
I doubt The Donald knows who she is, (better for her).
Listen, it's all a crock of shit is politics, but the point the Democratic party decided to make was "We can put together a list of VP candidates from among only coloured women and still have each of them be perfectly eligible for the position." That was how it shows that the Democrat party is progressive; we can allow ourselves to exclude white men and yet still put forward a panel of highly qualified individuals. Sure, it's all posturing, but this is why it works. Calling it "racist" is missing that point.
For anyone that's interested The Democratic convention starts tonight until Thursday with notable speakers from Michelle Obama, Clinton, Harris, Sanders, Pelosi etc with Biden rounding it off with a keynote speech on Thursday. Also tonight a group of republicans are speaking at the Democratic convention.
The republican GOP convention starts next Monday until Thursday with notable speakers from Pence, Flynn, the first lady, Haley, Trump Jr and Ivanka etc with Trump rounding it off on Thursday.
Steve Bannon today arrested on fraud charges for funneling funds from the Build the Wall campaign. Is that 5 or 6 of Trumps cabinet that have been arrested now. Drain the swamp me fucking hole.
Trump sacked him, years ago. Jaysus some of ye are like the carrion birds working for Mashed and The Guardian!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 20, 2020, 06:33:30 PM
Trump sacked him, years ago. Jaysus some of ye are like the carrion birds working for Mashed and The Guardian!
Don't read the guardian and actually haven't the first clue what Mashed is. What it is indicative of is a person hiring dodgy lads, without the proper pre clearance I'd imagine as well. Top jobs that should go to the best person at the role are filled by lackeys. Case in point. The Education Secretary. Fuck me...
I'm amazed Jimmy Carter is still going
He sacked the cunt! Ages ago!
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on August 20, 2020, 06:53:09 PM
I'm amazed Jimmy Carter is still going
He looks haunted at this stage.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 20, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
He sacked the cunt! Ages ago!
Sure did. Not the point I was making though.
You don't read the guardian. Telling us that boosts your profile immensely. Laaave it at that.
the donald utilized a lot of rhetoric to get numbers and implemented very few of his election promises. when it comes to potentially auditing big tech i would expect it to be more empty promises that he doesn't follow through on. when it comes to US presidents regardless of their shade orange, black or green remember, its always israel first. :abbath:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 20, 2020, 07:30:48 PM
You don't read the guardian. Telling us that boosts your profile immensely. Laaave it at that.
Wasn't that either. He puts people obviously not fit for the role into his own cabinet positions as they are yes men. Of course you're gonna fill you cabinet with your own people, but at least they should be capable. It's not that hard to find capable republicans for fecks sake.
steve bannon ran the campaign that effectively won trump the election. what qualification would you consider him to require to be sufficiently capable and if you consider him not to have been please details exactly why? due to the new allegations that have emerged? these kinds of things are relatively hard to predict without a crystal ball. would you consider yourself more knowledgeable that trump and his advisers to have seen that one coming? im sure he has a job for you in the coming election if that's the case.
Quote from: enoch on August 20, 2020, 08:00:34 PM
steve bannon ran the campaign that effectively won trump the election. what qualification would you consider him to require to be sufficiently capable and if you consider him not to have been please details exactly why? due to the new allegations that have emerged? these kinds of things are relatively hard to predict without a crystal ball. would you consider yourself more knowledgeable that trump and his advisers to have seen that one coming? im sure he has a job for you in the coming election if that's the case.
Did indeed run a very good campaign for Trump. Of course I'm not more knowledage about who he hires. But if someone is charged with fraud you'd expect they might have done it previously and something might be picked up in a pre clearance or background. Or maybe not. What do you think of his pick as education Secretary?
Come back Cardi B all is forgiven
:laugh:
I think Oilkiller is Ducky's drunk account.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 20, 2020, 08:45:16 PM
I think Oilkiller is Ducky's drunk account.
Who's Oilkiller? Maybe I'm not the drunk one 🤣
The peepers have being going the way of the lugs recently. To shite.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 20, 2020, 08:45:16 PM
I think Oilkiller is Ducky's drunk account.
I stopped drinking at about half three today, sober as fuck already, thanks :abbath:
You lads need to forget Trump and get some WAP on yer faces. Some big bird that'll half smother yis
I had WAP on me phone about 17 years ago, pure shite so it was.
Well, there we are now; two killed by vigilante gunfire in Kenosha.
What's so civil about war anyway??
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 26, 2020, 01:54:10 PM
Well, there we are now; two killed by vigilante gunfire in Kenosha.
What's so civil about war anyway??
Just saw the video. Fucking hell. Crazy shit.
You would think in the current climate they would think before pulling their guns out. Another clear cut case of murder.
My brother was telling me the cops blocked off all the exits on the highways in the area last night - added another 40 miles to his trip. Seems there have been people from the surrounding cities heading up there to get free stuff.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 26, 2020, 01:54:10 PM
Well, there we are now; two killed by vigilante gunfire in Kenosha.
What's so civil about war anyway??
Seems he was on his own property defending it when attacked by a mob. Close ups of one of the lads who got shot shows him also carrying a gun. It's all fucked up but, again, the media seems to be reporting what it wants to report here. Again, I'm no expert, but outside of mainstream media that is what is being said.
Quote from: Pedrito on August 27, 2020, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 26, 2020, 01:54:10 PM
Well, there we are now; two killed by vigilante gunfire in Kenosha.
What's so civil about war anyway??
Seems he was on his own property defending it when attacked by a mob.
Is this the 17 year old? Who is reporting this?
From what I've understood, his "own property" is 20 miles away from Kenosha, in another state.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 27, 2020, 10:25:26 AM
From what I've understood, his "own property" is 20 miles away from Kenosha, in another state.
Home place in Antioch, as you said 20 miles away. Defending some car dealership apparently. Cops even talked to him and others that evening before the shooting. Why didn't the cops ask about the gun, age etc.
I should have said 'private property'. Load of stuff on twitter about it. Images show one of the men he shot carrying a pistol. I'm not defending it at all but the narrative again seems to be pushing some sort of white supremacy line a bit like our Maga hat kid, remeber him? Just settled with CNN recently for an unholy amount of money for having his life destroyed.
https://www.complex.com/life/2020/01/cnn-settles-lawsuit-with-maga-hat-teen-nick-sandmann
The cops should just arrange for some black or other minority officers to shoot a few white people to appease the crowd
On a serious note, it does indeed look like the local PD were almost encouraging the militia in thanking them for being there. Not the smartest idea regardless of how the incident played out.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 27, 2020, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 27, 2020, 10:25:26 AM
From what I've understood, his "own property" is 20 miles away from Kenosha, in another state.
Home place in Antioch, as you said 20 miles away. Defending some car dealership apparently. Cops even talked to him and others that evening before the shooting. Why didn't the cops ask about the gun, age etc.
Yeah I wonder why they didn't :D
Quote from: Pedrito on August 27, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
I should have said 'private property'. Load of stuff on twitter about it. Images show one of the men he shot carrying a pistol. I'm not defending it at all but the narrative again seems to be pushing some sort of white supremacy line a bit like our Maga hat kid, remeber him? Just settled with CNN recently for an unholy amount of money for having his life destroyed.
https://www.complex.com/life/2020/01/cnn-settles-lawsuit-with-maga-hat-teen-nick-sandmann
I do remember him; I took loads of flak for defending him. He hadn't shot two people dead, seemingly with a quasi police endorsement, though.
Quote from: Pedrito on August 27, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
I should have said 'private property'. Load of stuff on twitter about it. .
What is the relevance of him being on someone else's private property?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 27, 2020, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on August 27, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
I should have said 'private property'. Load of stuff on twitter about it. Images show one of the men he shot carrying a pistol. I'm not defending it at all but the narrative again seems to be pushing some sort of white supremacy line a bit like our Maga hat kid, remeber him? Just settled with CNN recently for an unholy amount of money for having his life destroyed.
https://www.complex.com/life/2020/01/cnn-settles-lawsuit-with-maga-hat-teen-nick-sandmann
I do remember him; I took loads of flak for defending him. He hadn't shot two people dead, seemingly with a quasi police endorsement, though.
Anyone who looked past the ridiculous CNN attempt to stitch him up supported him. He's laughing his hole off now.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 27, 2020, 03:23:20 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 27, 2020, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on August 27, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
I should have said 'private property'. Load of stuff on twitter about it. Images show one of the men he shot carrying a pistol. I'm not defending it at all but the narrative again seems to be pushing some sort of white supremacy line a bit like our Maga hat kid, remeber him? Just settled with CNN recently for an unholy amount of money for having his life destroyed.
https://www.complex.com/life/2020/01/cnn-settles-lawsuit-with-maga-hat-teen-nick-sandmann
I do remember him; I took loads of flak for defending him. He hadn't shot two people dead, seemingly with a quasi police endorsement, though.
Anyone who looked past the ridiculous CNN attempt to stitch him up supported him. He's laughing his hole off now.
I actually remember when it happened and the fake outrage. Went to the video and was like "okey dokey nothing to see here". All that kid did was wear a hat.
Now the shooter Kyle guy. Drove 20 miles as a 17 year to defend properties with assault rifles. Idiot has ruined his whole life. And for what really.
Ideology.
Supposedly..
I'm waiting for the dust to settle these days before believing anything I'm told by the media was my original point. That's all. It's not condoning anything, but the media is driving the world nuts at the moment with biased, destructive reporting.
Great, powerful interview here. We need more of this and less of the tit fir tat stuff. Is our generation so weak we cannot take the high ground like this woman anymore?
https://youtu.be/8ufSn2b9glw
And before anyone says it..Tucker Carlson and Fox news and the likes are just as guilty. Shitshow the whole lot of it.
If someone is driving a distance, over a state line, armed, with the intent of gun fighting a mob, they've been ideologically led to that point...especially clear if they're only 17. I was an ideological slave at 17, just not a lethal one.
Quote from: Pedrito on August 27, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
And before anyone says it..Tucker Carlson and Fox news and the likes are just as guilty. Shitshow the whole lot of it.
It would be nice to have a news station that reports the news and let's you make up your own mind. But all need stations have owners pushing their agenda. Be ot CNN or Fox theres always a slant in the headline to make you think one way. It's fucking awful.
We're only at the tip of the iceberg. Looking at reports of the 17 yr old kid, the whole situation was complete madness. He's there, as he sees it 'protecting' a city, the other side is protesting and heavily armed. Looting, burning, violence. There's no way, with the amount of crime that takes place inthe US that another black man isn't killed by cops, but is this going to be the constant response? Someone needs to bring things to a calm.
Yeah, an unbiased news agency would be quite something. The trouble is that everyone being so used to heavily slanted news would think that the broadcaster is taking an opposing view to theirs. They would most likely then retreat back to their comfort zone.
Quote from: Pedrito on August 27, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
And before anyone says it..Tucker Carlson and Fox news and the likes are just as guilty. Shitshow the whole lot of it.
That's true, but look at the ratings, TC is the most popular show on any cable network. Why? Because he is extremely entertaining, unlike those mopes like Don Lemon, John Oliver etc.
It's an awful pity to think about how many people's political leanings are influenced by how entertaining the presentation is. I'm sure it applies to me and all, but it's a sad state of affairs.
Quote from: hellfire on August 27, 2020, 06:02:02 PM
Yeah, an unbiased news agency would be quite something. The trouble is that everyone being so used to heavily slanted news would think that the broadcaster is taking an opposing view to theirs. They would most likely then retreat back to their comfort zone.
Aye most people don't like their viewpoint being challenged. I actually love it. If you can put forward a good argument I'm willing to change a position on a topic. Proper debate has been lost in the last few years. Sadly people are way too entrenched in their views nowadays.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 27, 2020, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: hellfire on August 27, 2020, 06:02:02 PM
Yeah, an unbiased news agency would be quite something. The trouble is that everyone being so used to heavily slanted news would think that the broadcaster is taking an opposing view to theirs. They would most likely then retreat back to their comfort zone.
Aye most people don't like their viewpoint being challenged. I actually love it. If you can put forward a good argument I'm willing to change a position on a topic. Proper debate has been lost in the last few years. Sadly people are way too entrenched in their views nowadays.
I'd be of the same mindset. If something that I believe turns out to be wrong, so be it. Climb down and move on. A lot of the problem is the (media driven) move towards the U.S. style Left/Right politics and the constant defending of either stance. In for the penny, in for the pound sort of shit.
When TC has guests, they are generally antagonistic to his POV who are no match for him intellectually or otherwise, and he just ridicules them, laughs in their faces, says they are filibustering or embarrassing themselves and cuts them off if they get nippy. He's an absolute bollocks but he's one of the funniest TV hosts around.
And CNN wonder why he murders them every single night in the ratings with that imbecile Don Lemon (black and homosexual so I imagine that trumps his talent) up against him?
Good craic this video: https://youtu.be/7zthJUf31MA
Quote from: Pedrito on August 31, 2020, 09:31:48 AM
Good craic this video: https://youtu.be/7zthJUf31MA
"Why do you want them out?"
"We're fucking slaves man!"
*18 still lives at home, no job* :laugh:
Mongos. Thick students who don't work or pay tax smashing up a city, ruining business and for absolutely fucking nothing. Defunding and ultimately abolishing the police? That's going to result in more black, white, straight and gay people being robbed, killed and otherwise terrorised. Smart arse children ruining society for normal people who just want to get along. Sickening.
The lads from the fraternity :laugh: and the naked lad..what a party! It's the side of America nobody gets. People just fkn crackers :laugh:
Careful now, appropriating "crackers" ;)
Was thinking the same as I was writing it :laugh:
Last bit of the vid on media narrative is kinda interesting; all the rest par for the course.
Thought the lad with Viking heritage was the highlight myself :laugh:
Quote from: Pedrito on August 31, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
Thought the lad with Viking heritage was the highlight myself :laugh:
Yeah man, he really GETS it..... :abbath:
Cracker power :abbath: :laugh:
Trump supporter shot in the head at the weekend in Portland by an Antifa member and of course it's not getting the same media coverage last weeks shootings got.
Has also come out that the first person shot in the parking lot in Kenosha last week was a convicted pedophile.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
Quote from: Pedrito on August 31, 2020, 02:47:08 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
Donald Trump has been accused of far worse, and practically admitted to equal. How many times do we get to shoot him in the back?? :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 31, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on August 31, 2020, 02:47:08 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
Donald Trump has been accused of far worse, and practically admitted to equal. How many times do we get to shoot him in the back?? :)
"Blake is accused in the criminal complaint, which was obtained by The Post, of breaking into the home of a woman he knew and sexually assaulting her"
Really?
Central African counties are having low numbers of Covid cases.
Guess what? It's almost mandatory there to take anti malaria tablets (14c each, 1 a month)....
Big Donnie knows his stuff after all it seems.... :abbath:
I think the lower numbers in a lot of third world countries reflects a lack of testing available more then anything else.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 31, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on August 31, 2020, 02:47:08 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
Donald Trump has been accused of far worse, and practically admitted to equal. How many times do we get to shoot him in the back?? :)
Don't you know that in excess of two dozen women claiming Trump is a sexual predator is nothin' but the left wing media smearing him!
Quote from: hellfire on August 31, 2020, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 31, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on August 31, 2020, 02:47:08 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
Donald Trump has been accused of far worse, and practically admitted to equal. How many times do we get to shoot him in the back?? :)
"Blake is accused in the criminal complaint, which was obtained by The Post, of breaking into the home of a woman he knew and sexually assaulting her"
Really?
He has a couple of rape accusations on his tab. My point isn't to claim he's guilty, more pointing out that if an accusation of a given crime is some kind of worthwhile mitigating consideration for being shot at seven times in the back by a professional law enforcement officer, then what could we hope to justifiably get away with based on Trump's list of accusations? In other words, it's beside the point what the guy is accused of; the point is why a professional law enforcement officer chose the course of action he did. Wouldn't matter if the bloke was a repeat offender paedophile; law enforcement isn't supposed to be based on frontier justice.
It's gas how you turned that into a Trump thing. The link was only to show the story, I didn't even comment one way or the other. And you're all saying your not caught up in the hysteria?
It's a Trump thread (nominally at least!). No, not a Trump thing, just trying to insist on what is and isn't relevant to a given question. Notably, it is irrelevant what Blake was accused of, and also irrelevant what any of the guys shot in Kenosha were guilty of. It is, however, relevant that it was a Trump supporter shot by an antifa member in Portland, and so on. Need to be able to brush distractions away asap in order to navigate the media storm of shite.
Your man had to be shot. The tazer didn't work twice(allegedly anyway) . He was a known dirtbag, he was reaching into the car, highly likely for a weapon. 7 shots of course seems excessive but maybe they were very small bullets 😃 and it took 7. Either way, a criminal, not following instructions, knowing cops are heavy-handed, he should have been shot for stupidity, if nothing else. Ah sher, let's have a riot.
Glen Loury is very strong on that. He thinks black Americans need to learn the etiqeutte of dealing with a jittery armed police force. There's a strong macho anti-establishment attitude among the black lower classes-understandably perhaps- but at some point, if only for their own well being and continued survival- they have to treat the cops seriously, rather than a kind of hurdle in their rite of passage to manhood. All well and good to seem brave to your pals but not much use when you have serveral bullets ripping into you.
Most normal human beings having kids in the car would have tried to calm the situation down and comply.
Exactly. You have aggressive, jumpy armed cops dealing with you and you learn a bit of respect, deference and be as goddamn polite, non threatening and helpful as possible. Ramping up the tension is simply suicidal.
It's sold as a black thing but if you're any colour and you start running around your car and fighting against police, they'll have to ramp things up, for their own safety at the very least. Of ourse there are thug police but nowhere near as many as being portrayed. The 'fuck the police' thing has gone to bonkers levels in the media, in film, in music.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 31, 2020, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: hellfire on August 31, 2020, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 31, 2020, 02:53:22 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on August 31, 2020, 02:47:08 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
Donald Trump has been accused of far worse, and practically admitted to equal. How many times do we get to shoot him in the back?? :)
"Blake is accused in the criminal complaint, which was obtained by The Post, of breaking into the home of a woman he knew and sexually assaulting her"
Really?
He has a couple of rape accusations on his tab. My point isn't to claim he's guilty, more pointing out that if an accusation of a given crime is some kind of worthwhile mitigating consideration for being shot at seven times in the back by a professional law enforcement officer, then what could we hope to justifiably get away with based on Trump's list of accusations? In other words, it's beside the point what the guy is accused of; the point is why a professional law enforcement officer chose the course of action he did. Wouldn't matter if the bloke was a repeat offender paedophile; law enforcement isn't supposed to be based on frontier justice.
What he did to get shot was resist arrest. There is video taken from another angle showing him wrestling with the police. The officer who shot him gave him several warnings and even pulled on his shirt to stop him. He was reaching into the car. For all they knew he was reaching for a weapon.
I blame N.W.A. for the whole Fuck Tha Police thing
Ah okay. So the onus is on suspected criminals rather than the police force to be better trained. Got it.
What's this now lad?
Blake resisted arrest on a felony warrant, refused to comply, had an officer in a headlock, and according to some reports he had a knife. Then he refuses to comply, opening his car door and reaching in. Police training doesn't imply that a suspect needs time to brandish a weapon in a threatening manner before deadly force is justified. You reach, you get it. Any eejit could tell you that.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 31, 2020, 06:25:28 PM
Ah okay. So the onus is on suspected criminals rather than the police force to be better trained. Got it.
When someone has a gun trained on you and is telling you to stop its probably wise to do so. They tried non lethal first and it failed.
Yeah, I've read that police account. If it's true, he should have been tackled to the ground and overpowered by properly trained officers long before he got a chance to saunter around to the other side of the vehicle. Sounds like cops protecting their own with whatever account they can come up with tbh...would hardly be the first time. You can take it for gospel if you like; but even if it is, it reveals a failure of police training, just of a different nature, but with ultimately the same result.
I dunno lad, after the Floyd incident, I'd be quite hesitant to get into a wrestling match with a black lad if I was polis. They are skittish enough at the best of times, the pressure and glare of the spotlight on them at the moment are almost intolerable.
I see your buddies in Antifa killed a lad just because he was a Trump supporter. Utterly sickening. Hate crime, and a hate crime committed by a gang of absolute cunts. Boils my piss. The footage is harrowing, the poor bastard - 'Hey we got a Trumper' BANG BANG. And some short haired lesbian anarchist bullshitting about 'we can replace the police with armed citizen brigades, and a fascist died tonight' (referring to the victim). I was just fantasising about stomping her fucking head in.
You ask me, it's even more reprehensible than what happened to either Floyd or that other eejit resisting arrest.
TRUMP LIVES MATTER
The point is badly trained cops creating situations where they execute capital punishment on the streets; can yiz not get it into your heads that this has nothing to do with how a suspect "should" have acted? From the video, it looks like there was ample opportunity for officers to overpower him rather than allow the situation to slide towards a point where an officer allegedly felt his life was in imminent danger.
And of course, what do we get on the shooting of the protesters in this thread? One of them was a paedophile, rather than a comment on cops not even asking for a teen's ID to make sure he was of legal age for carrying a lethal weapon. Same police force...I'm sure we can trust everything they report about what happened in a high profile killing case though!
Kev: I haven't said a positive word about antifa anywhere in this thread, and even above said that this killing of a Trump supporter IS relevant whereas what crimes Blake was accused of aren't.
Do you have any links for the Portland shooting stuff you're mentioning there Kev? Not getting much back, cheers.
I know you haven't bigged up the 'no paedo bashing' brigade, it just suits my narrative of you being a secret member.
12.20 for the shooting, 13.30 for the fat lesbian paedo apologist.
You'll have to give Steven Crowder a view to watch it though, which I find immensely satisfying. CHRIS IS WATCHING LOUDER WITH CROWDER AWWWW YEEEEEAAAA
https://youtu.be/s61drCqB-hI
The idea that police officers can simply take a guy down and restrain him is not all fallacy but it's not that simple. Anyone into martial arts or wrestling, even the likes of rugby will tell you that there's no guarantee of anything when trying to hold people down. Will definitely work in lots of cases but there are some big dudes out there.
Yes you could have a whole police force training BJJ(even still no guarantee but defintely greatly increases chances) but when you factor in all the other stuff they need to contend with, most importantly the amount of guns on American streets then maybe there are not enough hours in the day. That said, it could definitely improve. One interesting thing to note though is that there is also a move to ban chokeholds in the US especially after the Floyd death which is completely counterproductive when looking at real, effective, safe chokeholds
Gracie Jiu Jitsu talking police and chokeholds:
https://youtu.be/4MRDigL6CQs
Some lads just won't go down, bonkers stuff and certainly an argument for further training in how to restrain people, but again a rudimentary stop results in people fighting for their lives. https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk
Example of what an officer would need to do each time someone resists or starts fighting back. This guy is trained, the other lad isn't and even then it's a battle: https://youtu.be/HlpX1DwEB1k
Again, loads of it could be avoided. The States is certainly rule heavy and law heavy. I found that to be the case myself. It's not a one way street but it's only going to get worse before it gets better if the rule of thumb is resist and talk shit and act in a threatening manner.
And on a local level(and I'm no great fan of the Gardaí or anything), but the father of a lad I went to school with was a Garda and was attacked in a stairwell in Drogheda years ago. Took him a year before he could walk properly again and was forced into early retirement. Not an easy job at all.
Jocko Willinck (No doubt I'm spelling that arseways) was fascinating on police training while talking to Joe Rogan recently. Maybe ignore Rogan calling for The Rock to run for president, though :laugh:
Jocko's a legend but he's also an unbelievably highly skilled martial artist. He's definitely got loads.of great points though and education at all levels of society and most definitely with police is needed.
I think it's only fair and sensible that an armed force in a country as complex and potentially dangerous to police as America should be trained to the highest degree imaginable. There are issues to be sorted out on both sides of the divide but the police, as paid professionals, should be operating at a level beyond reproach.
And that of course is a better solution than defunding or dismantling the cops.
Burn. Loot. Murder.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 31, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
I think it's only fair and sensible that an armed force in a country as complex and potentially dangerous to police as America should be trained to the highest degree imaginable. There are issues to be sorted out on both sides of the divide but the police, as paid professionals, should be operating at a level beyond reproach.
And that of course is a better solution than defunding or dismantling the cops.
Perfectly put
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 31, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
Maybe ignore Rogan calling for The Rock to run for president, though :laugh:
The only times Joe is actually funny is when he doesn't mean to be.
Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1uv7DU8Q2Y&bpctr=1598903947 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1uv7DU8Q2Y&bpctr=1598903947)
As for training, they were overpowered. He's a big lad, hardly their fault. They went for non lethal measures first and then got harsher as the situation escalated. I'm pretty sure that follows their guidelines to the letter.
Quote from: mickO))) on August 31, 2020, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 31, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
Maybe ignore Rogan calling for The Rock to run for president, though :laugh:
The only times Joe is actually funny is when he doesn't mean to be.
I like him a lot, but yeah, comedy ain't his forté!
Horrendous comedian, good lad for talking though.
Few observations. First if a cop tells you to stop moving then stop the fuck moving. I've been stopped by guards numerous times, searched a few times and I learnt quick enough if you be sound, keep chatting and do what they say it's over a lot quicker.
The training normal cops get in America is abysmal compared to what is required.
How the fuck none of the cops asked that 17 year old for ID is fucking beyond me. Roaming militias on both sides. Its absolute batshit. At this stage if the protesters had a brain they'd stop as seemingly it is helping Trump.
The one thing I find hilarious is Trump going he's the law and order president. If you vote Biden this will happen everywhere. Who the fuck has been in charge since it started. Trump. Has he made it better or worse. Easy answer there . There was riots during Obama's presidency. Was it 3 days they lasted?
I don't think anyone could have controlled the situation after the Floyd killing, Putin maybe. Brian Cowan got it in 2008, Don is in a catch 22. Send in the national guard? Do nothing? I don't think there is much more/less that he could have done.
I wonder what Camel Blues would have done? That's who the dems are essentially voting for, even though she got 1% in the primaries. Mad. Despite being in his dotage, sleepy Joe been full of shit for years, a pure flip flopper. He's anyone's dog for a bone.
Aye it was always gonna kick off after the Floyd incident. The language of a president matters though, in times of strife you have to give a reasoned response as any flaming of the anger gives licence to mentallers.
Do I think Joe Biden should have been the candidate. Fuck no. But would he be better than Trump. He can't be any worse. You need leadership. There is none currently.
No leadership is a bit strong. I think people are, to a large degree, incapable of fairly critiquing Trump, varying from jumping on every single potentially 'ha! I told you! Racist' thing he says or does to forgiving him unconditionally his gaffes and faux pas. I'm as guilty as you, albeit with wildly differing views on the man.
Tucker Carlson, and I lap this cunt up, when he mocks Biden I'm starting to feel like it's elder abuse. Like interrupting your grandad to tell him he's a boring auld fucker and to shush now. He's only three years older than Trump, but he could be his auld fella. He looks less vibrant than my 87 year old grandfather.
China would have controlled it. China or Russia. Not that anyone would like how they did it. Not in public anyway. It does seem like catch 22 for Trump.
At times the whole protest thing (and the corporate sponsorship of BLM by companies who want to appeal to a certain demographic) seems like a bit of a.... I dunno if set up is the right phrase but sort of that, maybe more nurtured and guided. If Trump was able to use targeted social media (allegedly, and allegedly involving Cambridge Analytica) for his win, why wouldn't the opposition play a similar game this time round?
What makes you think both sides aren't still doing it? More importantly, why wouldn't you think China and Russia aren't sitting back cracking their holes laughing at the entire shitshow? Russia set up their Internet Research Agency to exploit social media and stir up exactly this kind of mess. Just keep stirring and stirring, pushing them further and further apart. It's hard to see, regardless of which cunt wins the election, how the Americans resolve this in any timely way at all.
The one thing which amazes me is how the Democrats selected Biden. He's the worst candidate I can recall. It's almost as if they want to lose the fucking thing.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 31, 2020, 07:29:51 PM
I see your buddies in Antifa killed a lad just because he was a Trump supporter. Utterly sickening. Hate crime, and a hate crime committed by a gang of absolute cunts. Boils my piss. The footage is harrowing, the poor bastard - 'Hey we got a Trumper' BANG BANG. And some short haired lesbian anarchist bullshitting about 'we can replace the police with armed citizen brigades, and a fascist died tonight' (referring to the victim). I was just fantasising about stomping her fucking head in.
You ask me, it's even more reprehensible than what happened to either Floyd or that other eejit resisting arrest.
TRUMP LIVES MATTER
Watched the Crowder clip (the bare minimum...what an unbearable personality, thanks for the introduction! :-X ). The shooting was reprehensible and the defense equally. I don't think it's comparable to the Floyd killing, nor do I see any point trying to play one-upmanship with them; one involved a maniac citizen, the other a cohort of trained servants of justice and order.
The only Guardian pieces I've seen on the Portland shooting were headlined and reported as pure spin pieces, which is as reprehensible as journalism gets. Someone was murdered ffs.
Yeah, the BBC (unsurprisingly) buried the story, bar trying to imply that the victim was involved with the 'far right', whatever the fuck that means.
I think it's worse than the Floyd killing because the murder was demonstrably for no other reason than for his perceived opinions. It'd almost remind you of stomach churning loyalist killings of just any 'fenian'. It nauseates me.
Quote from: Juggz on August 31, 2020, 10:41:42 PM
What makes you think both sides aren't still doing it? More importantly, why wouldn't you think China and Russia aren't sitting back cracking their holes laughing at the entire shitshow? Russia set up their Internet Research Agency to exploit social media and stir up exactly this kind of mess. Just keep stirring and stirring, pushing them further and further apart. It's hard to see, regardless of which cunt wins the election, how the Americans resolve this in any timely way at all.
The one thing which amazes me is how the Democrats selected Biden. He's the worst candidate I can recall. It's almost as if they want to lose the fucking thing.
Both sides are 100 percent doing it. They are in it right up to the hilt. It's the most fucked up thing ever in a way, the U.S. presidential election and the muck throwing that it entails is for the first time ever actually spilling out into other parts of the world. Out in the open like, not like where just other governments are interested, no actually the likes of us here going on about it no less. Suddenly lads in London are hopping because they think that it's so right wing if one doesn't like some things about BLM or whatever else and all of a sudden someone throws that in on top of a few other bits mixed in with McDonalds and the banks and the troika bumming us all slowly and here we go let's all hop fucking rocks off things because we all have fuck all and someone else has everything. And then I have a thought....
Does this affect anything here or does it not? If it was like 1990 and there was a small bit in the paper and a bit on the news when things went on in the USA, would I give a fuck about the outcome of any of it, or have any idea of the whole circumstance leading up to the election over there? No, I'd be going to the feile and watching world cup 90 and using jumpers for goalposts. The world seems so small the more connected everyone gets, as in it's big news here if george floyd gets done over there even though it's fuck all to do with us as a nation, yet we let all sorts go on in our own gaff and we do fuck all
I've never seen anything like it. Not in Tipp anyway.
And yeah, who the fuck would trump win against if it wasn't Hilary Clinton or Joe Biden. They can't honestly have been the 2 best bets for the Intercontinental Title? Oh shit, wait, that's WWE. I can hardly tell the difference anymore
A very short press conference from him tonight. And not condemning 'his guys' when asked, before his trip to kenosha tomorrow. Gonna get interesting tomorrow one would think!
Crazy watching it. Hard to believe its real!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 31, 2020, 10:57:21 PM
Yeah, the BBC (unsurprisingly) buried the story, bar trying to imply that the victim was involved with the 'far right', whatever the fuck that means.
It means pretty much the same as when you say "
the left" ;)
Wasn't the victim wearing something from this organisation? Perhaps that's where the association is coming from?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Prayer
I hope Wiki is acceptable.
Yeah, it seems that it's being used by certain media outlets to, in a perverse way, explain, if not outright justify his killing. I know other outlets fried George Floyd for him being a scumbag, but what's different here is that a hate crime has been committed, and most people don't know what the guys name is, let alone beatifying him like GF was.
Check out the video footage I linked to Chris there Juggz. There is no defending it. Blood boiling stuff.
Yeah, I saw a version of it earlier where he and the lad who seemingly shot him were actually mingling in the same group earlier in the day. The whole situation is tragic. It's huge fucking mess with little sign of improving any time soon.
https://mynorthwest.com/2114190/rantz-rioters-burn-seattle-police-alive-sealed-door/?
Quote from: Juggz on August 31, 2020, 10:41:42 PM
What makes you think both sides aren't still doing it? More importantly, why wouldn't you think China and Russia aren't sitting back cracking their holes laughing at the entire shitshow? Russia set up their Internet Research Agency to exploit social media and stir up exactly this kind of mess. Just keep stirring and stirring, pushing them further and further apart. It's hard to see, regardless of which cunt wins the election, how the Americans resolve this in any timely way at all.
The one thing which amazes me is how the Democrats selected Biden. He's the worst candidate I can recall. It's almost as if they want to lose the fucking thing.
I think this is the more worrying part of it all. Divide and conquer, isn't that what the English did to our good selves in the past. There's massive manipulation going on, it's definitely not chance any of this. It's also definitely not only Trump. His character doesn't help much of it but the reaction to him is way off the reality of the situation. He's a perfect pawn/scapegoat in something far deeper and more sinister.
He's perfect for them, though. Have you ever seen a "leader" so petty who publicly attacks anyone who disagrees with him? Has there ever been a more divisive president? He's a fucking wet dream for anyone trying to destabilise the US. Forget the right vs left thing, if you can, and just try to contemplate how much manipulation must go on for the Christian extremists to embrace the spiritual vacuum of Trump. Seriously, just stop and think about that. It's incredible. There are massive sections of their society polarised based on blatant lying and they don't give a fuck if they're caught out anymore, just repeat the lie. You reap what you sew and the US is seeing the results of massively biased media bear fruit. This whole demonisation and ridicule of "the left" (formerly liberals, then libtards) is straight out of the Goebbels runbook and people just don't see themselves being manipulated, just regurgitate this senseless biased bullshit. It's terrifying. It's incredible to see it manifest itself on a fucking Irish metal forum ffs. Those kids smashing up Portland in the video posted yesterday hadn't a fucking clue what they were doing or why they were doing it, other than they felt compelled to do it. There are massive lessons from history being ignored and it's always "the left" or "the right" who are to blame when it's nothing of the sort. Create a group who are the source of your problems and publicly blame them for everything, blame the media for not agreeing with you, repeat, repeat, repeat. The US is facing a fucking humongous problem and, bringing it back to the thread title, they're in a situation where every interested party has access to the mind of most of their citizens via social media on phones. The Russians weren't just stoking the fires for conservatives in the run up to the last election, they were also making big efforts to have black communities feel disenfranchised, a "this country doesn't represent me" thing. Look at where we are now. You can guarantee China have been doing it too. But hey, it's those wackos on "the left" who are the problem or the nut-jobs on "the right". Mental times but, sadly, we appear to have learned nothing from history.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 31, 2020, 11:13:09 PM
Does this affect anything here or does it not? If it was like 1990 and there was a small bit in the paper and a bit on the news when things went on in the USA, would I give a fuck about the outcome of any of it, or have any idea of the whole circumstance leading up to the election over there? No, I'd be going to the feile and watching world cup 90 and using jumpers for goalposts. The world seems so small the more connected everyone gets, as in it's big news here if george floyd gets done over there even though it's fuck all to do with us as a nation, yet we let all sorts go on in our own gaff and we do fuck all
I've never seen anything like it. Not in Tipp anyway.
Yeah, I think I might just take a break from news, politics, and all that for a while. Being constantly bombarded with updates reminding you how fucked the world is can't be great for the auld mental health
Quote from: Juggz on September 01, 2020, 07:34:26 AM
He's perfect for them, though. Have you ever seen a "leader" so petty who publicly attacks anyone who disagrees with him? Has there ever been a more divisive president? He's a fucking wet dream for anyone trying to destabilise the US. Forget the right vs left thing, if you can, and just try to contemplate how much manipulation must go on for the Christian extremists to embrace the spiritual vacuum of Trump. Seriously, just stop and think about that. It's incredible. There are massive sections of their society polarised based on blatant lying and they don't give a fuck if they're caught out anymore, just repeat the lie. You reap what you sew and the US is seeing the results of massively biased media bear fruit. This whole demonisation and ridicule of "the left" (formerly liberals, then libtards) is straight out of the Goebbels runbook and people just don't see themselves being manipulated, just regurgitate this senseless biased bullshit. It's terrifying. It's incredible to see it manifest itself on a fucking Irish metal forum ffs. Those kids smashing up Portland in the video posted yesterday hadn't a fucking clue what they were doing or why they were doing it, other than they felt compelled to do it. There are massive lessons from history being ignored and it's always "the left" or "the right" who are to blame when it's nothing of the sort. Create a group who are the source of your problems and publicly blame them for everything, blame the media for not agreeing with you, repeat, repeat, repeat. The US is facing a fucking humongous problem and, bringing it back to the thread title, they're in a situation where every interested party has access to the mind of most of their citizens via social media on phones. The Russians weren't just stoking the fires for conservatives in the run up to the last election, they were also making big efforts to have black communities feel disenfranchised, a "this country doesn't represent me" thing. Look at where we are now. You can guarantee China have been doing it too. But hey, it's those wackos on "the left" who are the problem or the nut-jobs on "the right". Mental times but, sadly, we appear to have learned nothing from history.
Thinking mans post there.
Still, the left though....
Well the extreme left is definitely not off the hook here, I'm sorry. I'd agree with a lot of what Juggz says but it's definitely not all one way traffic. The Spanish civil war is an amazing example of when these kind of factions raise their heads and I can't help but feel we're on our way there once again. Scary stuff.
I was talking to a buddy of mine over here and he used to be a stoner, a liberal arts student back in college. Gay rights, freedom of speech, basically moving away from our parents generation and the kimura lock the church had on life. His views have not changed in any meaningful way, but he finds himself being unable to identify with the modern left, and his own moderate opinions are being equated with a commission in the SS Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler circa 1941.
'Right wing' is a coverall term for narrative non compliant. The list of derisive insults for the low testosterone opposition is equally daft, and I indulge in it regularly when dealing with soyboys like Chris and Ollkiller or crybabies like Ducky and Juggz. I imagine all four own one of those rainbow flag hammer and sickle badges and protest 'paedo bashing' and ask girls is it ok to touch their hand etc instead of being a dominant sexual alpha male like me, Donald Trump and Kurt Cocaine.
Warring factions and it's hard to predict the endgame, in spite of the portents.
The Spanish civil war is also a perfect example of foreign meddling though, too. The "extreme left" in the Spanish civil war was the anarchists, not the communists, and the latter were more pawns of Moscow than they were representative of any personally held ideology. Today, there are no "communists" of that sort, and the "anarchists" (antifa, etc., who are nothing like the anarchists of the Spanish civil war) are indeed being absolutely stoked up by polarized media, as witnessed by the fact that many (most?) of them can't even coherently articulate their own position...just as Juggz points out that many Trump supporters from the Christian conservative group wouldn't be able to articulate a defense of why they support such an un-christ-like figure (similar to the Franco situation of yore). Massive amounts of cognitive dissonance leads to a breakdown of agency, and that's when people attain maximum manipulability.
It seems shocking to some of us here to see how flippantly and unthinkingly certain positions are regurgitated right here on the forum, but I'm aware the same happens on both sides. Expanding on what I said above; find one article in the Guardian or the New York Times that doesn't report the Portland shooting as pure spin rather than about a man being shot dead in the street. It's the same kind of cognitive dissonance being stoked up. I dunno, it's just mental.
Wow, two posts in a row from the oestrogen brigade that I agree with almost entirely. You had your dairy this morning, Christophe :)
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Genuinely lolling here.... :laugh:
Having never met Kurt Cocaine, I'm really hoping my mental image of him sauntering through a smoky nightclub with a Cardi B lookalike on both arms is completely legit :laugh:
I was curious about Cardi B, watched a couple of videos yesterday. She is unbelievably simple, her sex advice is gas
'When you be suckin' niggaz dicks n'shit, yo gotsta get dem PH levels CORRECT yo'!
Fuckin' hell. There is a video of her and sleepy Joe doing a zoom call. The waffle was pure lads.
Quote from: Pedrito on September 01, 2020, 09:42:37 AM
Having never met Kurt Cocaine, I'm really hoping my mental image of him sauntering through a smoky nightclub with Cardi B on both arms is completely legit :laugh:
Fixed that for you... :laugh:
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Fantastic thread lads. Just spent an hour catching up. Lads, all I can say is thank fuck we live in Ireland.
I work for an American multi national and was talking to a colleague the other day, highly educated, in management for 20 odd years. Just asked in passing "you'll be voting Biden then?" holy shit, the ranting they went on, saying how they are terrified about how Biden is going to ruin their country and he's planning on disbanding the police and remove the military. Holy shit is all I could think and changed the subject quick. What a whack job of a country now!
Good listen this from Douglas Murray.
https://youtu.be/Nmbd60apsfQ
David Graeber has passed away at 59. Didn't really know where to mention it, thought that by putting it here it might encourage some people to check him out and learn a bit more about genuine political anarchism.
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 08:55:34 AM
Good listen this from Douglas Murray.
https://youtu.be/Nmbd60apsfQ
Okay, the BLM movement, lots that's questionable about it, lots of conflation being done, lots of hysterics; this is obvious to anyone who can take a bit of a step back and look at it objectively.
However, I'd have to absolutely disagree with Murray's superficially philosophically interesting premise that the movement is defined in opposition to a non-entity, and that this is where the real problems stem from. Just because the thing one opposes doesn't exist in some cardboard cut-out form that is easy to point at in space and time, this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. An entity that is diffuse and even taboo is just as existent as one which is visible and explicit; it's their
modes of existence which differ, not whether or not they exist. As a fitting analogy, it's similar to the distinction Foucault (intro to 'Discipline & Punishment', for anyone interested) drew between how leprosy was historically dealt with compared to how plagues were dealt with. This isn't a reference I'd usually raise here, but since we're presently living through the experience of dealing with a plague-like viral pandemic, it makes it easier to grasp. SARS-CoV-2 exists as an entity, even though statistically speaking it only very rarely rears its head in a way that is easily perceivable. We're all currently undergoing the consequences of how challenging this virus's mode of existence can be to deal with.
Time and time again, critics of the theory behind "systemic racism" fail (either consciously or otherwise; no one escapes their own cognitive bias) to engage with the kind of entity its opponents painstakingly describe it as being. By basing one's arguments around the non-existence of an entity that the movement is
not describing, one can never be truly taking part in the debate. So now, if you do this, you're wrong
even if they're wrong. Or rather, you're not even wrong; you're not even discussing the subject!
He did address the subject. He talked about the actual issue that exists, which is the lack of training that American cops have in dealing with the race issue, as it is being perceived.
Taking down statues and describing western society as an irredeemably racist entity is where the messiness comes in, and the argument gets lost.
I think the irritation coming from the centre and the centre right (we can ignore the far right) is in the broad strokes analysis that depicts everyone and everything that doesn't fully comply with the current popular narrative as being complicit in hate crimes.
Within the first ten minutes or so, he twice states that, since you won't find individuals willing to publicly state that black lives don't matter, therefore BLM are defined in opposition to a non-entity. This is what I was referring to. But BLM, and essentially all theorists of systemic racism, don't define themselves in opposition to hypothetical individuals who would be willing to break such a strong taboo; that's what makes claiming that they do a moot and irrelevant point. They define themselves in opposition to something just as real as such hypothetical individuals, but something that is much more diffuse.
BLM purport, by their very name, to believe that black lives not mattering to mainstream society is a very real issue. It's the very shield they use to hide their other agendas behind because it sounds reasonable to most people. Why? Because most people agree with the statement. The issue is that the very statement itself sets up a fantastical bogeyman, so that anyone who questions the movement can be tarred with the racism brush. The name itself is the tactic and the weapon.
The issue is the gulf between the literal meaning of the words and the intent behind their usage.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 03, 2020, 04:15:41 PM
BLM purport, by their very name, to believe that black lives not mattering to mainstream society is a very real issue. It's the very shield they use to hide their other agendas behind because it sounds reasonable to most people. Why? Because most people agree with the statement. The issue is that the very statement itself sets up a fantastical bogeyman, so that anyone who questions the movement can be tarred with the racism brush. The name itself is the tactic and the weapon.
That is all true, for argument's sake at least. What is also true is that none of that requires the existence of some other KKK-style bogeyman who will go on the evening news and publicly state that black lives don't matter, which is nevertheless exactly how Murray lays it out. This is also a tactic and a weapon; it's the sort of rhetoric that arms and emboldens people from right across the centre and right-leaning political spectrum to assert things like "Racism doesn't actually exist anymore!" This very thread is full of such assertions, and when someone like Murray (i.e. someone who understands the opposition's real rhetoric much better than he lets on) says things like this, their intent is to discredit the opposition's struggle. It's a classic move.
I'm not saying this to support BLM and all their objectives, though; just pointing out what Murray is up to. I mean, this is the guy who came out with the "Where are the adults?" quote, which was also a clear attempt to discredit the protests. Not too hard to imagine a Brit saying the same thing at the Boston Tea Party, or at the GPO, etc., etc. He, and his ilk on both sides of the debate, peddle in intellectual dishonesty.
I get your point but as you said yourself before, you need to have a position and I think this position is more productive, less misanthropic and more hopeful for humanity. All Against All is a cool theme for a metal record, less so for a cohesive society, and the push from the (at least vocally) dominant left is for highlighting the major and minor differences between everyone and trying to pry us all further apart, rather than trying to focus on unification. That is how I see it. And I'm allowing for imperfections (minor and major) within societal structures that always need to be tweaked and adjusted. I suppose I find Pinker's analysis/philosphy more inspiring than that of the BLM movement.
I doubt even Murray would be able to argue that racism doesn't exist and by 'attacking' his argument in that literal way i.e. focussing in on words and dissecting them and turning them on their head and analysing them from all angles is almost to assume that the listener isn't adult enough to come at the argument with a fair bit of prior knowledge and understanding already.
He's not arguing that racism doesn't exist or that things don't need to change, the vast majority won't, but it doesn't mean we have to accept the manipulation, the violence, the marxist agendas, the tactics, the LGBTQ and transgender policies, the segregationist rhetoric the group talk about on their websites. They are an extremely divisive group that really would love to pull us all back to segregation albeit segregation on their terms and most right thinking adults, once they read what they're about would be very dubious as to what they are looking to achieve.
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 05:41:01 PM
I doubt even Murray would be able to argue that racism doesn't exist and by 'attacking' his argument in that literal way
He literally discredits the name of the movement by taking it, literally, focusing in on and dissecting each word, in order to assert that no one would say that black lives don't matter and that therefore the movement is defined in opposition to a non-entity and then states that, for him, this is problematic. That is literally an argument he literally spells out in the first few minutes.
Listen from 4:48 onward, the section that begins with Murray literally saying "Here's the biggest problem, I think, that exists with the BLM protests; they are essentially running against an invisible opposition." Then a minute or so later he calls it an "absent opposition".
The biggest problem, but it's not to be taken too literally??
OK, so let's do this. In layman's terms, what should he have said then?
I didn't pluck that section out to be a smart ass about it; it jumped out because what Murray is up to there really is a very classic strategic move for discrediting an opponent. Do you think it's a coincidence that just after saying it he goes into forensic detail about one case of purported unlawful police killing of a black man which turned out not to be what it seemed? And then flippantly adds, "But by then they had another martyr." Another martyr!? Again, discrediting.
Murray knows what he's doing. He's smart, but he's absolutely dishonest. If the facts spoke loudly enough for themselves, he wouldn't have to coat them the way he consistently does.
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 06:14:09 PM
OK, so let's do this. In layman's terms, what should he have said then?
It's not about what he should have said: it's about listening and being attentive to what he's really saying and to the rhetoric he's fostering. Rhetoric which, as I've said, this thread is full of; in short, racism is a thing of the past because the KKK aren't burning crosses on lawns anymore, or whatever; that since racism can no longer be "proud and loud", that therefore it doesn't exist. Any concessions he gives to "questionable" events (as he puts it) are the most dishonest offerings of lip service to distinguish him, in the minds of those sympathetic to his view point, from a pure relic of a bygone age. It's all thought out and calculated, and if you don't focus on and dissect what he's really saying, then you're being bought and sold.
I'm grown up enough to see what Murray is at. I've listened to him plenty of times before and in many ways I agree with you. However, I don't think you and him are teeing off from the same tee. Society is so swamped with racist talk at the moment that much of what he is saying is starting at a point of 'well racism exists but...' as opposed to 'racism doesn't exist, they're making it up' and I believe most people come to these conversations with that understanding. Of course racism exists but we've got to find some middle ground to work from because arguments about historical atrocities and statues and the likes are akin to trying to catch the wind. In northern Ireland people had to find a middle ground. It wasn't perfect but it was better than what went on before. The BLM movement is asking for things that probably most black people wouldn't get behind if they were truly put to the test.
I don't think he's saying that 'racism doesn't exist', nor could anybody, after all, we can't see in to the depths of another mans heart. It's the extent of 'systematic, institutional blah blah' racism which is being undermined for the most part by Murray. Skin colour is by the by for him and most right leaning commentators, where as cultural dilution or disintegration (it could be argued that its inevitability is as daft as BLM claims of an inherently racist society) is a real concern, whether you agree with it or not.
Is it racist to be startled by the speed of demographic change in Europe, for example? I was in Bavaria for a week in 2018, and I saw very little evidence of the grimness he predicts and proports therefore I am always a bit wary of Murray, despite him being the most seductive homosexual around. On the other hand, my Aunt who lives in Sweden, and is about as progressive as you can get, told us that there is a very real preoccupation there, particularly in certain cities. I think very few people give a shit what colour Jimmy next door is, as long as fiefdoms aren't being carved out by assimilation resistant foreigners with a starkly different set of norms, behaviours or religious beliefs at the expense of the indigenous culture. Is that racist? I dunno, ah here, I'll leave it.
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
much of what he is saying is starting at a point of 'well racism exists but...' as opposed to 'racism doesn't exist, they're making it up'
My contention is precisely that he really
is saying the latter, though dressing it up as the former. Or at least, what he's really saying is a lot closer to the latter than the former. Murray places himself quite explicitly (not here, but in plenty of other articles and interviews) in the camp of "Racism is dead, so why do minorities keep resuscitating it?" He has set himself up to be one of the rhetorical arsenals for every superficial argument you're likely to encounter online as to why systemic racism doesn't exist, stuff that's essentially no more sophisticated than "If racism exists, then how come there are poor white people?", and so on. He knows it's bullshit, but he also knows it's persuasive, it works, it sells, it spreads, it gets people voting the way he thinks they should. He's a very smart guy.
Your lack of nuance is problematic.
Murray is very English I would say. He's a bit like a lot of Spaniards I meet here who find the idea that they are somehow responsible for what Hernan Cortez did 500 years ago akin to telling them that tomatos are blue.
And yet the Irishman in me is like 'you bastards don't understand colonialism and the colonial mind' and then I read Octavio Paz and all his metaphors could be the very metaphors I grew up on and listened to all my childhood. I say it to my wife who is Mexican and she's like 'what in the fuck are you talking about?' and yet every now and then she will curse the dirty Spanish who never saw a bar of soap in their lives and who raped and destroyed a beautiful culture and built their poxy churches up on top of them beautiful pyramids and carvings of Quetzalcoatl, so beautiful in the moonlight that you could almost taste the sacrificial blood coming off them half a millenium later. And then I remember what my grandmother used say that The English treated their own even worse than they did the Irish. And the Spaniards paid for their sins with a civil war and all that hocus pocus.
And in some ways that's what BLM is trying to do. They're trying to be an Irishman explaining stuff to an Englishman that he won't ever understand. And yet maybe the Irishman has had his head filled with a lot of stuff that suited him in the past. The English were the cause of everything the bastards and he's had Irish people who have filled his head with a lot of twisted shit that suited their own purposes, so he finds himself the pawn in a game.
And in other ways BLM is just keeping the whole narrative going. The systemic stuff(surely impossible to truly quantify a theory with so many variables?), the hurt, the past..it's complicated as fuck. And it's also very very theory based and bookish.
I suppose someone like Murray then comes along and with a cooler head and not taking all of that into account, he starts to look at the issue rationally and what he finds is that a lot of what is being said is simply not holding up under scrutiny of facts and figures. The police aren't killing more blacks then whites etc etc etc etc..we've heard all the arguments.
But, he forgets to include all.the other shit. The feelings and the perceptions and the intuintions that are almost impossible to really be able to quantify.
So, we're left with a balls of a situation.
And the only way forward cannot be to further divide and shout and roar and burn shit down unless your intention is to actually start some sort of civil war, which, I suspect some of the real fringe lunatics we see involved are definitely trying to do. There's got to be a middle ground and giving into very dubious organisations, as the entire Western world is doing, that are not all they purport to be needs some sort of kickback. We need the lad with the cool head and the facts and figures to give us a counterbalance. Is Murray perfect? No. Sam Harris? No. But they can put some sort of framework around an issue that is so wild and erratic and open to so much interpretation that it gives us something to work with. And like it or not, laws and facts and figures and money and things we can grab hold of and touch do have meaning.
Loury and McWhorter are great on those issues and, yeah, they hold a certain weight being black men themselves. It's arguable whether that should matter, but it does, especially in these absurd times.
Good post Peadair ;) But I still disagree that people like Murray, and Harris for that matter, are just coming along and trying to be rational. They're coming along with an agenda as obvious as BLM's.
Oh they are without a doubt. I would say they offer ideas. But it's an absolute mindfuck the whole thing and BLM most definitely do not have the nuance or the capacity to solve whatever they are saying needs solving. I suspect it will never truly get solved, but like most things, we will see gradual and progressive change, if the left doesn't kick off a civil war. Meanwhile, people will continue to listen to Murray and their ilk because at least some element of sense can be got from them. I definitely wouldn't agree with 50% of what they say but it passes the time during poo breaks.
Come off it, you're messing now.BLM's agenda is as clear and unmistakable as the comedown after 6 yokes or a kick square in the balls. What is more, they are complete opportunists, they pounced upon the Floyd killing, correctly sensing an opportunity to launch themselves into the stratosphere, previously having been viewed as a political afterthought, just another head on the progressive gorgon.
Murray may leave a bad taste in the high minded leftists collective mouth, but to compare his reasonably well thought out and consistent position (I strongly disagree that he 'knows it's bullshit') to high pitched, unsophisticated identity politics like those of BLM is too much, it's messin'.
That's my point. BLM are dazzling people with bullshit and fairydust. There's no coherence to anything. Opportunistic and dangerous.
Murray and Harris are open books, we can tell their biases which I have no issue with at all. The BLM thing is a thirst for power behind it all. All that making people kneel and repent their sins. I'd say they were laughing their arses off later on having a few beers when that mayor came washing their feet the fukin spa.
For the dunces in the audience (me), what do you think are the ulterior motives of Murray and Harris? I find them reasonable voices. Sure, Murray is a conservative but he's no raving fascist maniac by any stretch.
Ps. I sent off for The Strange Death of Europe and The Madness of Crowds today. Better get shining my jackboots :laugh:
Ideological indoctrination.
Owning that literature, Andy, is the exact same as that officers commission in SS DAS REICH.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 03, 2020, 08:40:33 PM
For the dunces in the audience (me), what do you think are the ulterior motives of Murray and Harris? I find them reasonable voices. Sure, Murray is a conservative but he's no raving fascist maniac by any stretch.
Ps. I sent off for The Strange Death of Europe and The Madness of Crowds today. Better get shining my jackboots :laugh:
That's a question for Black Shep. I find the lads a good listen
Their ideologies, at least from anything I've listened to by them, seem more about finding a sensible middle ground where open dialogue can occur. What's that ideology called? I'll sign up to it now.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 03, 2020, 08:32:57 PM
BLM's agenda is as clear and unmistakable as the comedown after 6 yokes or a kick square in the balls.
Agreed. And thanks for the bad memories :abbath:
QuoteWhat is more, they are complete opportunists, they pounced upon the Floyd killing, correctly sensing an opportunity to launch themselves into the stratosphere, previously having been viewed as a political afterthought, just another head on the progressive gorgon.
There was as much media and corporate appropriation of the movement behind that as there was opportunism (of which, of course, there was also). Murray is being just as opportunistic with regard to his own agenda and how he's instrumentalizing BLM events to advance it, though. In that respect, this aspect is so universal as to be banal; it's not like Floyd's death was instrumentalized despite his family's wishes, and Blake's shooting hasn't been either.
QuoteMurray may leave a bad taste in the high minded leftists collective mouth, but to compare his reasonably well thought out and consistent position (I strongly disagree that he 'knows it's bullshit') to high pitched, unsophisticated identity politics like those of BLM is too much, it's messin'.
I'm just saying he has a very clear agenda. But, in passing, he did also argue against the notion of white privilege by saying it can't possibly exist because there are poor white people in Yorkshire, so...believe what you like about white privilege, that's the racism equivalent of "If we descended from apes, then how come there are still apes in the world?" And yes, I do think that he knows it's a shit argument, I believe he is smart enough to know it and cunning enough to say it anyway.
Murray would be concerned about borders in Europe, which I certainly have no issue with, but you could imagine what some signed up member of Karl Marx monthly thinks about that(not you Chris). He's a sensible lad, and the type of voice that's needed at the table when every twat is singing off the same hymnsheet on the likes of Question Time. He says things that others are uncomfortable or too scared to say.
Could his intention there be something more nuanced (I'm a fan so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt). Could he be saying, rather than white people are also poor ergo racism doesn't exist, that the issues are ones of economic inequality, not racism?
It begs the question, if he truly believed his opinion was bullshit, therefore presumably with no belief in it, why bother to express it? I find it hard to believe a clearly intelligent homosexual like Murray would peddle opinions he believed to be essentially shite. What's the endgame? And why not express his true opinions, which would be what?
I've confused myself with my train of thought but I think you get me.
I think I get you. Did you just come out?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 03, 2020, 08:53:43 PM
I think I get you. Did you just come out?
:laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 03, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
It begs the question, if he truly believed his opinion was bullshit, therefore presumably with no belief in it, why bother to express it?
I don't think he believes his
position is bullshit; I think he knows some of his arguments are bullshit, but effective. I mean, people who made propaganda believed in their opinions, and their job was to create bullshit that would persuade others towards them. There's no incoherence there.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 03, 2020, 08:53:43 PM
I think I get you. Did you just come out?
I was hoping to get a rise from one of the soyboys by using the word 'homosexual' rather than 'chap' (what does his sexuality have to do with anything!!??) but I misjudged the attempt very badly indeed :)
Brainwashed by the far middle ???
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 03, 2020, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 03, 2020, 08:53:43 PM
I think I get you. Did you just come out?
:laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 03, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
It begs the question, if he truly believed his opinion was bullshit, therefore presumably with no belief in it, why bother to express it?
I don't think he believes his position is bullshit; I think he knows some of his arguments are bullshit, but effective. I mean, people who made propaganda believed in their opinions, and their job was to create bullshit that would persuade others towards them. There's no incoherence there.
Propaganda on behalf of whom though?
I wish my sausage fingers didn't keep ballsing up my attempts at using italics. They give a veneer of academia to your posts.
I think Chris is getting a touch of the Mugz here. It's some underlying factor that is a reflection of the game being rigged etc etc. It's the way BLM argue also and that's exactly what Murraybis talking about in the video. If it's 'the man' or 'the system' or the 'Uncle Toms' that are against you, that is an invisible enemy that cannot be touched and yet it's brought out again and again in arguments and debates in a bid to nullify opposing arguments. And while I 'get' the concepts of 'Uncle Tom' etc, the reality is that for a politician or for someone who is concerned about western culture like Douglas Muray, concepts are almost impossible to change, especially when the likes of BLM keep.changing their meaning. They are fluid, like gender is now.
A politician on the other hand has to deal in numbers and facts. If it could be shown in numbers that police were murdering blacks in numbers and stats that jumped off the page then ANY president, Donald Trump included would be able to sink their teeth into that. But so much of the dialogue is abstract, is conceptual. Murray deals in numbers and facts, he may having certain leanings, but at least he can back up what he argues.
I don't see what's complicated to understand or esoteric about the idea that someone occupied with persuading public opinion (Murray, in this instance) would knowingly engage in propaganda-like behavior. A politician has to deal in numbers and facts, sure, but those numbers can be invented and, say, printed on the side of a bus to be driven around the country; those who believe the narrative behind the fictional number will be persuaded. That's what politics is about, much more than "numbers and facts" in any truly empirical sense.
Absolutely not but what is Murray's agenda do you think?
Pro-Brexit, anti-Labour, pro-Trump... but what his agenda is is secondary to knowing that he has one, and one that it is his very bread and butter to advance! This is nothing like mugz; this is concrete stuff.
The first 2 probably and the third hmmm. They seem to get lumped in together. Are they agendas as such? Maybe..but something sinister? I'm not so sure. Certaintly certain elements in the media would have us think so.
The first one is a decision every British person had to make about Europe. The second is, again, a normal political leaning for millions of Brits. The third might be a way to sell books in the States.
You could easily pick any left wing person in the UK that follows Labour and apply the opposite 'agendas' to them.
I don't get why you're all fixated on the idea that I'm suggesting only conservatives have an agenda! I'm just saying that Murray not only has the power of his convictions, but literally makes his living off advancing certain agendas, so every "number" or "fact" he puts forward has to be interpreted in that regard. Nietzsche! Nietzsche!! ;)
On Trump: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/28/uks-national-interest-trump-triumph/
Yeah I get ye. I understand that. Everything though? Maybe. He seems a little more nuanced than that but I could see how you might see it that way. I don't think it's necessarily all bad either. My earlier point being at least I know where he stands and I make my own mind up from there on out.
Okay, so to go back to his points on BLM; my conviction would be that he's more concerned with getting people to vote Trump than he is with anything even vaguely in the domain of minority civil rights, and his rhetoric of discrediting the movement with shallow if not false arguments (while there is no lack of valid but more nuanced ones) serves mainly to persuade rather than to get at any "truth". This seems clear from the attention he gives to one anecdotal case, from years ago, where things were not how they seemed. That's propaganda baby! And yes, Trevor Noah, John Oliver, etc., use loads of it too...but you'd spot that from a mile off, no problem. Murray's, ye've been arguing it doesn't exist for pages now. They're all at it, but our personal biases blind us only to half.
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 03, 2020, 10:06:28 PM
Okay, so to go back to his points on BLM; my conviction would be that he's more concerned with getting people to vote Trump than he is with anything even vaguely in the domain of minority civil rights, and his rhetoric of discrediting the movement with shallow if not false arguments (while there is no lack of valid but more nuanced ones) serves mainly to persuade rather than to get at any "truth". This seems clear from the attention he gives to one anecdotal case, from years ago, where things were not how they seemed. That's propaganda baby! And yes, Trevor Noah, John Oliver, etc., use loads of it too...but you'd spot that from a mile off, no problem. Murray's, ye've been arguing it doesn't exist for pages now. They're all at it, but our personal biases blind us only to half.
Nah, I'd see through all that man. Sam Harris too. They're as transparent as glass and they have nowhere near the exposure of the lads you mentioned above. Imagine being American and having to listen to some bespectacled English twat like John Oliver shite all over your culture and values every night of the week. Hey, maybe he has a point on some things, but his complete disdain for the people, the traditions and the values of so many Americans is bordering on hatred. It's like you go to France Chris and spend your time telling them they're wrong at everything. 'Fuck off back home' would wouldn't be such a bad response to that. Noah, the same. Transplanting the issues.of his home country onto the country that welcomed him with open arms. And yet the white man is always on his back despite him rising to the top of society in the States...agghhh fucking champagne socialist types, everyone else is to blame despite them living in the lap of luxury.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
La France ; tu l'aimes ou tu la quittes !
Double post
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 03, 2020, 10:40:10 PM
La France ; tu l'aimes ou tu la quittes !
Don't be getting all sexy on me now :laugh:
Quote from: hellfire on September 03, 2020, 10:40:55 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 03, 2020, 10:06:28 PM
Okay, so to go back to his points on BLM; my conviction would be that he's more concerned with getting people to vote Trump than he is with anything even vaguely in the domain of minority civil rights, and his rhetoric of discrediting the movement with shallow if not false arguments (while there is no lack of valid but more nuanced ones) serves mainly to persuade rather than to get at any "truth". This seems clear from the attention he gives to one anecdotal case, from years ago, where things were not how they seemed. That's propaganda baby! And yes, Trevor Noah, John Oliver, etc., use loads of it too...but you'd spot that from a mile off, no problem. Murray's, ye've been arguing it doesn't exist for pages now. They're all at it, but our personal biases blind us only to half.
What false or exaggerated claims has Mr Murray made about the BLM movement exactly?
Fill your boots starting from the top of page 77:
https://forum.metalwarfare.com/index.php?topic=1258.1140
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 03, 2020, 10:40:10 PM
La France ; tu l'aimes ou tu la quittes !
Don't be getting all sexy on me now :laugh:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Marion_Mar%C3%A9chal%2825614980787%29_%28cropped%29.jpg)
"La France ; tu l'aimes ou tu la quittes !"
- Marion Maréchal Le Pen
(She may or may not ever have said this, but it is a famous slogan of the FN :laugh: )
Wudn't mind seeing her in her Stürmbahnführer uniform
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
He's an awful messer in fairness
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 11:27:03 PM
He's an awful messer in fairness
Sure is. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
For a draft dodger to be calling American soldiers who died losers won't play well. And saying no one wants to see amputee veterans. Wowsers. He's already tweeted he never called McCain a loser when he's on record as calling him a loser. What a messer.
'According to sources..'
Quote from: Pedrito on September 04, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
'According to sources..'
How do you write an article without sources.
EDIT. So the original Atlantic article says they had multiple sources with first hand knowledge of what Trump said. The Atlantic is a reputable publication. It's not CNN like. The Washington Post is now also running the story. James LaPorta is an AP reporter who verified the story with officials in the Department of Defence. Highly reputable reporter who is a former marine infantry man. Bio here. https://muckrack.com/james-laporta
So the quotes are entirely credible and have been verified. Is that good enough?
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
That's what he said later to clarify his earlier comments where he did encourage people to vote twice. He's great at clarifying comments. Like how he never called McCain a loser even though he did. Or any million other things.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 04, 2020, 08:52:28 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 04, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
'According to sources..'
How do you write an article without sources.
EDIT. So the original Atlantic article says they had multiple sources with first hand knowledge of what Trump said. The Atlantic is a reputable publication. It's not CNN like. The Washington Post is now also running the story. James LaPorta is an AP reporter who verified the story with officials in the Department of Defence. Highly reputable reporter who is a former marine infantry man. Bio here. https://muckrack.com/james-laporta
So the quotes are entirely credible and have been verified. Is that good enough?
Trump could have the lads bent over and smashing their back doors in and they still wouldn't believe he's capable of sexual misconduct.
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
I've heard his defenders says he was joking about the bleach comment to show what the media is like. I suppose wishing a person accused of sexual abuse of minors was to show people what the media are like too. It's amazing the mental contortions people will go through to defend him. Yet these very same people would be outraged if someone from the other teams was doing half the stuff Donald has said and done.
Quote from: Cailleach on September 04, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
I've heard his defenders says he was joking about the bleach comment to show what the media is like. I suppose wishing a person accused of sexual abuse of minors was to show people what the media are like too. It's amazing the mental contortions people will go through to defend him. Yet these very same people would be outraged if someone from the other teams was doing half the stuff Donald has said and done.
What sexual assault convictions does he have? With the amount of TDS going around do you not think if they actually had something on him he would be behind bars by now? The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
Weird flex bro :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 04, 2020, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
Weird flex bro :laugh: :laugh:
Has Trevor Noah not posted any videos that you would like to share?
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Cailleach on September 04, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
I've heard his defenders says he was joking about the bleach comment to show what the media is like. I suppose wishing a person accused of sexual abuse of minors was to show people what the media are like too. It's amazing the mental contortions people will go through to defend him. Yet these very same people would be outraged if someone from the other teams was doing half the stuff Donald has said and done.
What sexual assault convictions does he have? With the amount of TDS going around do you not think if they actually had something on him he would be behind bars by now? The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
You're right. He has no convictions. He has 22 accusations of rape including one where he and Epstein were accused of raping a 13 year old girl. The court docs were posted in this thread and they're vile. He's a predator but that's only my opinion from what I've researched about him.
The fake outrage on this one is going to be immense
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 04, 2020, 12:35:34 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Cailleach on September 04, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
I've heard his defenders says he was joking about the bleach comment to show what the media is like. I suppose wishing a person accused of sexual abuse of minors was to show people what the media are like too. It's amazing the mental contortions people will go through to defend him. Yet these very same people would be outraged if someone from the other teams was doing half the stuff Donald has said and done.
What sexual assault convictions does he have? With the amount of TDS going around do you not think if they actually had something on him he would be behind bars by now? The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
You're right. He has no convictions. He has 22 accusations of rape including one where he and Epstein were accused of raping a 13 year old girl. The court docs were posted in this thread and they're vile. He's a predator but that's only my opinion from. What I've researched about him.
You sure your FBI colleagues will be happy you revealing all this online?
Quote from: Pedrito on September 04, 2020, 12:36:46 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 04, 2020, 12:35:34 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Cailleach on September 04, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
I've heard his defenders says he was joking about the bleach comment to show what the media is like. I suppose wishing a person accused of sexual abuse of minors was to show people what the media are like too. It's amazing the mental contortions people will go through to defend him. Yet these very same people would be outraged if someone from the other teams was doing half the stuff Donald has said and done.
What sexual assault convictions does he have? With the amount of TDS going around do you not think if they actually had something on him he would be behind bars by now? The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
You're right. He has no convictions. He has 22 accusations of rape including one where he and Epstein were accused of raping a 13 year old girl. The court docs were posted in this thread and they're vile. He's a predator but that's only my opinion from. What I've researched about him.
You sure your FBI colleagues will be happy you revealing all this online?
I got my P45 this morning. All easily found online anyway. Any thoughts on my reply about the Atlantic article and the reporter James LaPorta.
Nah you seem to have it all figured out
He does have a tendency to talk about war the way a kid who's never been in a fight might talk about karate, but I wouldn't waste any time on all these rumours; sure even when there's recordings and/or videos of him saying incriminating things, it all just gets waved away, let alone when it's merely X's word against his, regardless of who X may be.
I wouldn't put it past Trump to come out with those kinda comments. Surely it won't go down well with his gun-toting supporters.
I'm sure it's been said, but Biden just needs to not talk and he's more likely to get elected.
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Cailleach on September 04, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
I've heard his defenders says he was joking about the bleach comment to show what the media is like. I suppose wishing a person accused of sexual abuse of minors was to show people what the media are like too. It's amazing the mental contortions people will go through to defend him. Yet these very same people would be outraged if someone from the other teams was doing half the stuff Donald has said and done.
What sexual assault convictions does he have? With the amount of TDS going around do you not think if they actually had something on him he would be behind bars by now? The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
Where did I say he had convictions for Sexual assualt? Did you misread what I said or is this a tactic to defend him by claiming something that was not said.
With this in mind I don't see how the playground tactic you have decided to use excuses Donald's behaviour.
Quote from: Emphyrio on September 04, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
Surely it won't go down well with his gun-toting supporters.
FAKE NEWS!
Well, that's that put to bed.
TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!
Ya, likely enough to be fair.
Quote from: Cailleach on September 04, 2020, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: Cailleach on September 04, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: mickO))) on September 04, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on September 03, 2020, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 03, 2020, 10:07:14 PM
So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
I've heard his defenders says he was joking about the bleach comment to show what the media is like. I suppose wishing a person accused of sexual abuse of minors was to show people what the media are like too. It's amazing the mental contortions people will go through to defend him. Yet these very same people would be outraged if someone from the other teams was doing half the stuff Donald has said and done.
What sexual assault convictions does he have? With the amount of TDS going around do you not think if they actually had something on him he would be behind bars by now? The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
Where did I say he had convictions for Sexual assualt? Did you misread what I said or is this a tactic to defend him by claiming something that was not said.
With this in mind I don't see how the playground tactic you have decided to use excuses Donald's behaviour.
I never said that you said he had any convictions clearly you are not reading my posts. You implied he sexually abused children and I asked you for proof which is a conviction in a court of law. I am not defending anyone's behaviour if you show me evidence that he has abused children fine but I won't hold my breath.
He didn't imply that; he was referring to Trump wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well.
I'm sure he'll be pardoning her soon, seeing how in on it all he was.
Just saw the modelling for covid in the states. 200000 deaths by this time next week. 250000 by election day and 400000 by January. And Trump only yesterday gave out to Biden for wearing a mask. The scientists say with a proper response the death total would have 40% of what it is. Whatever about everything else but his response to the pandemic will probably go down as his biggest failure.
He didn't "give out" to him, he mocked him by implying his attachment to the mask is a symptom of some psychiatric issues. Typical Trump "charm" in the midst of a pandemic.
Quote from: Emphyrio on September 04, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
I wouldn't put it past Trump to come out with those kinda comments. Surely it won't go down well with his gun-toting supporters.
I'm sure it's been said, but Biden just needs to not talk and he's more likely to get elected.
I doubt it. I reckon it'll be four more years of Trump. The Democrats are relying on him being voted out rather than them being voted in. I think they are handing the election to him.
Absolutely. There was an article the other day titled "Democrats are worried Trump will refuse to accept defeat if beaten at polls" and I was thinking, eh, that's really not what y'all should be worried about!!
They should have thought about that before deciding to continue with the status quo. I think a younger more vibrant candidate and they probably would have won. As it is, with protests and cities burning, it's at least going to be a lot tighter than the polls suggest. I'd say Trump will get in. People won't go along with the anarchy.
Agreed. Democrats fucked up royally on their selection of candidate. Couldn't have been Sanders either as he'd never get in. Needed someone younger. Trumps polling amongst military both serving and veterans is taking a nosedive as well as Covid deaths rising will put the pressure on. It'll be a close one for sure.
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So today Trump said if you voted by mail to go down and then try to vote in person. To test the system. Which is actually voter fraud. The Law and Order president right there. And Barr in a CNN interview said he was unaware of the state laws about the legality of voting twice. He's only the Attorney General. How do they not know basic shit like you can't vote twice.
Or maybe he's saying the system is shite? Loads of Irish vote multiple times. It was a Sinn Féin strategy in the last election sure.
Mail in voting has been used for decades. In a court case last week in Pennsylvania the judge asked the government for evidence of mail in fraud. They couldn't produce any. It's a bullshit tactic by the republicans to try to discredit the result of the election. Trump even said a few months ago the idea of a republican voting twice is repulsive and he advocated for it today.
If you read the actual Twitter quote not just the snippet the media posted he told people who use mail in voting to go to the polling stations on election day to see if they can vote if they can't then it means the mail in ballot has not been counted. He's saying things like this on purpose to show people what the media is like and they keep falling for it.
I've heard his defenders says he was joking about the bleach comment to show what the media is like. I suppose wishing a person accused of sexual abuse of minors was to show people what the media are like too. It's amazing the mental contortions people will go through to defend him. Yet these very same people would be outraged if someone from the other teams was doing half the stuff Donald has said and done.
What sexual assault convictions does he have? With the amount of TDS going around do you not think if they actually had something on him he would be behind bars by now? The only videos I have seen of presidential candidates kissing and fondling children were of Joe Biden if you have ones of Trump please post a link.
Where did I say he had convictions for Sexual assualt? Did you misread what I said or is this a tactic to defend him by claiming something that was not said.
With this in mind I don't see how the playground tactic you have decided to use excuses Donald's behaviour.
I never said that you said he had any convictions clearly you are not reading my posts. You implied he sexually abused children and I asked you for proof which is a conviction in a court of law. I am not defending anyone's behaviour if you show me evidence that he has abused children fine but I won't hold my breath.
I did not imply he sexually abused children. What I said was he wished a person accused of sexually abusing minors well. What I was implying, which you failed to grasp, is that it was an extraordinary thing for him to say. Also that the people not bothered about him doing so, would likely be very vocal if someone other than Donald had done so.
Supposedly he shot JFK aswell. His orange fringe can be seen popping up over the grassy knoll in newly released footage
Quote from: Pedrito on September 04, 2020, 01:56:29 PM
Supposedly he shot JFK aswell. His orange fringe can be seen popping up over the grassy knoll in newly released footage
:laugh:
That's soy milk curdlingly good.... :laugh:
Is the soy estrogen thing a fact? I love dumping a load of salty soy sauce on rice. If I start describing myself as Non Binary I'll be throwing it out.
I know a lad who was raised on the soy milk and he has a serious pair of tits on him
Dunno how to take that :laugh: Did Donald grab them too?
Quote from: astfgyl on September 04, 2020, 02:58:27 PM
I know a lad who was raised on the soy milk and he has a serious pair of tits on him
That's because probably he's a she....
Well in that case she has a right pipe on her
Quote from: astfgyl on September 04, 2020, 03:21:51 PM
Well in that case she has a right pipe on her
Elongated clits are fun in fairness.... :abbath:
Wait a minute... does this mean...
oh god I think I might be straight
We're all as straight as wet string drying in the sun...
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 04, 2020, 04:03:50 PM
We're all as straight as wet string drying in the sun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oai1V7kaFBk
Where the fuck is my head at today??
Quite a few conservative commentators are today turning to Bolton's book which appears to contradict the whole "loser" story. But, erm, ye might not wanting to be giving too much credence to Bolton's account... there was, erm, all that other stuff he alleged! :laugh:
Madeleine Albright and John Bolton. I hate them more than John Oliver and Trevor ' The Voortrekkers should be erased from history' Noah
This has taken an unpleasant turn :laugh:
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Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 04, 2020, 04:03:50 PM
We're all as straight as wet string drying in the sun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oai1V7kaFBk
Where the fuck is my head at today??
Prolly up your soy gassed ass you the sounds of that nigga shit music video you posted.
We wait and think and doubt and hate. How does it make you feel? The overwhelming feeling is rage. We hate ourself for being unable to be other than what we are. Unable to be better. We feel rage. The feelings must be followed. It doesn't matter whether you're an ideologue or a sensualist, you follow the stimuli thinking that they're your signposts to the promised land. But they are nothing of the kind. What they are is rocks to navigate the past, each on your brush against, ripping you a little more open and they are always more on the horizon. But you can't face up to the that, so you force yourself to believe the bullshit of those you instinctively know are liars and you repeat those lies to yourself and to others, hoping that by repeating them often and fervently enough you'll attain the godlike status we accord those who tell the lies most frequently and most passionately. But you never do, and even if you could, you wouldn't value it, you'd realise that nobody believes in heroes any more. We know that they only want to sell us something we don't really want and keep from us what we really do need. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe we're getting in touch with our condition at last. It's horrible how we always die alone, but no worse than living alone.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 04, 2020, 07:57:00 PM
We wait and think and doubt and hate. How does it make you feel? The overwhelming feeling is rage. We hate ourself for being unable to be other than what we are. Unable to be better. We feel rage. The feelings must be followed. It doesn't matter whether you're an ideologue or a sensualist, you follow the stimuli thinking that they're your signposts to the promised land. But they are nothing of the kind. What they are is rocks to navigate the past, each on your brush against, ripping you a little more open and they are always more on the horizon. But you can't face up to the that, so you force yourself to believe the bullshit of those you instinctively know are liars and you repeat those lies to yourself and to others, hoping that by repeating them often and fervently enough you'll attain the godlike status we accord those who tell the lies most frequently and most passionately. But you never do, and even if you could, you wouldn't value it, you'd realise that nobody believes in heroes any more. We know that they only want to sell us something we don't really want and keep from us what we really do need. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe we're getting in touch with our condition at last. It's horrible how we always die alone, but no worse than living alone.
...the price of cattle these days though amirite
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 04, 2020, 07:37:04 PM
Prolly up your soy gassed ass you the sounds of that nigga shit music video you posted.
Here, at least give us the link to the comment generator you used so we can all have a laugh with it :-X
5 or 6 nippy sweeties and you'd be in your way to your very own!
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Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 04, 2020, 07:37:04 PM
Prolly up your soy gassed ass you the sounds of that nigga shit music video you posted.
Here, at least give us the link to the comment generator you used so we can all have a laugh with it :-X
Top secret but I'll admit I did forget to include the " :laugh:" in my original post. :laugh:
Kisses hunzer XXxX
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 04, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
5 or 6 nippy sweeties and you'd be in your way to your very own!
Do the two of youse have your own secret code or what? :laugh:
Do ya mean yokes? Cos I mean, call me a lightweight, but if I had 5 or 6 yips in me and you put me in front of a computer, I'd be licking the screen off it not typing random words!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 04, 2020, 09:31:05 PM
Do the two of youse have your own secret code or what? :laugh:
Do ya mean yokes? Cos I mean, call me a lightweight, but if I had 5 or 6 yips in me and you put me in front of a computer, I'd be licking the screen off it not typing random words!
LIGHTWEIGHT!!! :abbath:
(Sorry, couldn't let Kurt have that gift ;) )
Nazi dogwhistles lad. Covert hate.
The Nazis loved the aul yips, in fairness!
If that ASGTYFL lad would send us out a bagín each and we had a MW zoom call, we'd come together in existential harmony, at least until Emphyrio got the Gin and Lilts in, or Chris busts out 18 skinners, signifying an end to the Christmas truce.
I really should have picked a different username. Anyway, I'm off the yokes. It's almost mushy season and I'm back hating everything. I have a dastardly new plan to use the internet to divide everyone by slowly but surely placing them in one camp or the other, whether they generally agree in real life or not. We need to create more division in the world and especially by using situations that don't truly concern us. As far as I know it hasn't been done yet.
G.Q.
I'm like the new Stand Up Paul
Paul.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 04, 2020, 11:17:13 PM
I really should have picked a different username. Anyway, I'm off the yokes. It's almost mushy season and I'm back hating everything. I have a dastardly new plan to use the internet to divide everyone by slowly but surely placing them in one camp or the other, whether they generally agree in real life or not. We need to create more division in the world and especially by using situations that don't truly concern us. As far as I know it hasn't been done yet.
G.Q.
I'm like the new Stand Up Paul
Paul.
:laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on September 04, 2020, 11:17:13 PM
I really should have picked a different username. Anyway, I'm off the yokes. It's almost mushy season and I'm back hating everything. I have a dastardly new plan to use the internet to divide everyone by slowly but surely placing them in one camp or the other, whether they generally agree in real life or not. We need to create more division in the world and especially by using situations that don't truly concern us. As far as I know it hasn't been done yet.
G.Q.
I'm like the new Stand Up Paul
Paul.
:laugh: :laugh:
Sounds like you all need a good hug from our good friend Donald. I'd love a round of golf and a few brandys with him.
I was just watching documentary about the Chinese cultural revolution. I'm sure the soy n'hash brigade will tell me I'm being superficial and lacking nuance, but it's strikingly similar to the BLM campaign in the US, and elsewhere, in 2020. Fuck this for a laugh, lads.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 05, 2020, 02:41:10 PM
I was just watching documentary about the Chinese cultural revolution. I'm sure the soy n'hash brigade will tell me I'm being superficial and lacking nuance, but it's strikingly similar to the BLM campaign in the US, and elsewhere, in 2020. Fuck this for a laugh, lads.
This is about as enlightening as an unqualified "The Trump administration are fascists!"
Yeah 'superficially' but you need to see the 'nuance'
All the public humiliation, destruction of monuments, re-education. It's essentially the same thing. Cultural Marxism lil' nig.
Really? That's the nuance? Okay, so now it's about as convincing as the countless examples of parallels in this thread between Trump's administration and fascism.
All depends, and I do mean all depends, on which worldview lens you're committed to identifying with.
Life hack: you're better off not committing to any.
Dunno lad, some compelling parallels to be drawn though.
I'm a bit bored as it's siesta time and everyone is asleep and I'm exaggerating my adherence to that 'worldview' if you want to call it that. I mean, you make yours as clear as day, no matter the claims to the contrary. I hate Marxism and all that lark, and I despise vehemently how it's expressed and lapped up by dumb fucks these days (I don't include you in that).
Granted, the socialist countries in the east of Europe, in exchange for the lack of liberty, gave their citizens a gaff and a job (Dubliners might find the former very enticing indeed!).It's a simplistic analysis, but my kids mother is Polish and in her early 40s, reckoned it was alright. Most of my serb buddies reckon Yugoslavia's '3rd way' wasn't that bad either. A Romanian bit of fanny I used to give the high hard one to said, in fact, Romania is worse now in terms of general happiness and standard of living than under Ceaucescu. Many of us would have been curious about it, sympathetic even. None of them were communist though, nor was the Soviet Union. Not even close. They were good countries to be lazy and poor in, and that's not a slight on the inhabitants of those countries. No innovation, stagnation, widespread apathy...No thanks. Imagine if Marxism proper was about!? Nein mein öberstürmführer!
Coolness, poise and deadly accuracy..what's not to love
https://youtu.be/5vD6aRKJL4I
I'm in no way any sort of Trump supporter for the simple reason that I don't give a fuck, but when he is held up against what opposes him I can see why people would support him. The fucking condition of the alternative is enough to make me feel sick. Yeah a lot of it is down to conflation but fuck this PC shit has to stop.
Edit: yeah says me while conflating opposition to Trump with the general PC fuckfest that the world has become
Chris is breaking out in a cold sweat now
Big Donnie v Mega Dave... :abbath:
https://youtu.be/au9VQmltN08
:laugh:
A Chinese tornado at that!
He deserves the peace prize lads, no question about it.
Still definitely not a racist.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-genes-racehorse-theory-nazi-eugenics-holocaust-twitter-b511858.html
Ah now, "indistinguishable from Nazi rhetoric" is a bit of a stretch to be fair. I wouldn't have found anything racist in that.
Quote from: Ducky on September 21, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
Still definitely not a racist.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-genes-racehorse-theory-nazi-eugenics-holocaust-twitter-b511858.html
You're as desperate as a $5 crack whore... :laugh:
Quote from: Emphyrio on September 21, 2020, 02:12:31 PM
Ah now, "indistinguishable from Nazi rhetoric" is a bit of a stretch to be fair.
Absolutely ludicrous and vacuous claim, is what it is. I'm really having one of those days where I couldn't possibly be any angrier with the stupidity of what is nominally "my own team".
Drama
Well, this I don't really care about tbh, it just happens to have been posted on a day I'm having to listen to a lot of stupid shit from people who should know a lot better.
Quote from: Ducky on September 21, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
Still definitely not a racist.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-genes-racehorse-theory-nazi-eugenics-holocaust-twitter-b511858.html
Come on, yer messin' now.
It's bullshit, just like the alleged calling white nationalists 'fine people'. Right after he said there were fine people on both sides, he said 'and I'm not talking about all the Nazis and white nationalists '. But sure didn't they cut that part out, didn't fit the auld narrative.
He brokered peace between the Jews and two previously sworn enemies. Peace prize stuff if you ask me. They would have given Obama two if he had done it.
Here is an anti Trump flavoured article/book review I was just reading which likens following him to following Hitler.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/it-can-happen-here?
Strangely enough though, everything described in the article sounds like what the BLM and LGBetc movements and indeed the covid danger proponents and lots of anti Trump movements are doing. A bit of an own goal as I interpret it, but does anyone else here see what I'm getting at?
Calling someone a Nazi nowadays means nothing. It means asshole whose politics I disagree with. The right are as guilty of it too. Everyone's a commie!
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Quote from: Ducky on September 21, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
Still definitely not a racist.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-genes-racehorse-theory-nazi-eugenics-holocaust-twitter-b511858.html
Come on, yer messin' now.
It's bullshit, just like the alleged calling white nationalists 'fine people'. Right after he said there were fine people on both sides, he said 'and I'm not talking about all the Nazis and white nationalists '. But sure didn't they cut that part out, didn't fit the auld narrative.
He brokered peace between the Jews and two previously sworn enemies. Peace prize stuff if you ask me. They would have given Obama two if he had done it.
Yup that article is nonsense. Its a fault of the left and it's infuriating. There's plenty to attack him on without making stuff up.
Now the "peace" or trade deals as I like to call them. How was Bahrain at war with Israel. Laughable really as Israel with annihilate it in 2 minutes.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 21, 2020, 03:52:30 PM
Calling someone a Nazi nowadays means nothing. It means asshole whose politics I disagree with. The right are as guilty of it too. Everyone's a commie!
Yeah it's real pot and kettle stuff. That was what was dawning on me as I was reading the review/article, though to be fair I'm waking up pretty late if it is only dawning on me now
Media driven, hyperbolic melodrama. Seems to be the norm in everything at the moment.
Israel would defeat all Arab nations put together. Peace is preferable though, no?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 21, 2020, 04:18:40 PM
Israel would defeat all Arab nations put together. Peace is preferable though, no?
All together is debatable. Maybe but thats for another day.
My point related to Bahrain weren't at war with Israel. They recognized Israel's right to exist in 2018.
Yeah, but credit where credit is due, no? Even CNN had to give him a modicum if it. There hasn't been any such accord for 26 years, he put two together in a week, and it wasn't just Netanyahu caressing his balls with the credit either.
With the exception of Saudi Arabia, every military in the region is tinpot. Choirboys compared to Israel.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 21, 2020, 05:24:16 PM
Yeah, but credit where credit is due, no? Even CNN had to give him a modicum if it. There hasn't been any such accord for 26 years, he put two together in a week, and it wasn't just Netanyahu caressing his balls with the credit either.
With the exception of Saudi Arabia, every military in the region is tinpot. Choirboys compared to Israel.
Wouldn't go that far, With regards to the region, Lebanon and Yemen would be the definition of tinpot, but the rest of them have bought a lot of topline equipment over the years. Bunch of them fly F-16C Block 40 and upwards (Admittedly Jordan's are old A models, but have been upgraded), Oman also have Typhoons (as will Kuwait), UAE have Rafales, On the ground there's Leopards, Leclercs and Challenger 2s. Bahrain would probably be the worst off with only M-60s.
Egypt on the other hand, just seems to go "Oh that looks cool, let's buy a bunch of them."
Some ridiculous coin involved there to not do anything. And yet it must be done. Mad really. I'm enjoying the who would crush who debate all the same!
Trump as I see it is no worse than Obama but he doesn't have the benefit of being black. Ok it isn't exactly that simple, but take out the personality and look at the results there isn't a major difference.
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 21, 2020, 05:24:16 PM
Yeah, but credit where credit is due, no? Even CNN had to give him a modicum if it. There hasn't been any such accord for 26 years, he put two together in a week, and it wasn't just Netanyahu caressing his balls with the credit either.
With the exception of Saudi Arabia, every military in the region is tinpot. Choirboys compared to Israel.
Wouldn't go that far, With regards to the region, Lebanon and Yemen would be the definition of tinpot, but the rest of them have bought a lot of topline equipment over the years. Bunch of them fly F-16C Block 40 and upwards (Admittedly Jordan's are old A models, but have been upgraded), Oman also have Typhoons (as will Kuwait), UAE have Rafales, On the ground there's Leopards, Leclercs and Challenger 2s. Bahrain would probably be the worst off with only M-60s.
Egypt on the other hand, just seems to go "Oh that looks cool, let's buy a bunch of them."
The monied oil states do have quite sophisticated equipment, but it's only Saudi Arabia (if a hostile anti-west regime came to power) who would pose a serious threat to the Israeli military edge. The principal difference is the quality of training, and an ability to co-ordinate with allies and being able to use the stuff effectively. The second and third Israeli victories over Arab coalitions in the second half of the twentieth century were crushing and decisive, even though on paper, it could have gone either way. Soviet hardware was probably inferior in some respects to what the Israelis had, but not in all respects. Highly trained, well led and motivated Israeli troops outclassed the Arabs utterly. Would the result be the same if something similar again? Your money would be on the Israelis, provided the Saudis weren't involved.
The IDF is constantly on a war footing, despite being a conscript army, it's quite unique. Not sure how healthy it is to the nations mental health, which anyone who has met ex soldiers in their jollies after being discharged can attest to.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 21, 2020, 08:26:07 PM
Trump as I see it is no worse than Obama but he doesn't have the benefit of being black. Ok it isn't exactly that simple, but take out the personality and look at the results there isn't a major difference.
Ah no. C'mon now. Look I get when people don't like Obama but at least he kinda knew what to do most of the time.
Were Bahrain or the UAE ever involved in conflicts with Israel? No. Hardly worthy of a peace prize, albeit one that has already been handed to others unworthy.
The UAE have been taking part in exercises with Israeli fighters over the few years, mostly in Greece, but also at Red Flag in the US. The Greek excercises have the added bonus (as far as the UAE are concerned) of pissing off Goat Fucker Erdogan, who last week threatened to shoot down any UAE plane that violated Turkish airspace.
Conflicts against Israel, I should have clarified.
He also brought about inter-Korean talks with a mixture of sanctions and diplomatic pressure, can't be denied. He's done a lot more than Obama as regards peace. He was off to get his shiny prize, whilst tripling troop numbers in Afghanistan. Peace prize ha?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 22, 2020, 06:23:04 AM
He was off to get his shiny prize, whilst tripling troop numbers in Afghanistan.
And stopping Gaddafi from introducing the Gold currency to Africa.
And opening petrol stations in County Tipperary the fookin bastard...
I just don't see one as being any worse or better than the other. Neither of them have been able to bring about the Real Change that they seemed to promise at the outset. Not saying it is either of their faults either, it isn't as simple as just coming up with ideas and there is a whole political system propped up by private interests who are extremely resistant to a change in the status quo or making a better life for all. I'm just taking a look at it without the personality is all.
An update on the Rittenhouse saga.
I think this is the thread where it was discussed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=%23FightBack
Quote from: Bigmac on September 23, 2020, 08:55:17 AM
An update on the Rittenhouse saga.
I think this is the thread where it was discussed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4dhPM99i4I&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=%23FightBack
That scumbag is a Trump supporter, so he's guilty as hell.
A lefty Irish lad I've known for several years deleted my number, the whole lot because I said 'looks like self defence to me' about the Rittenhouse thing.
'I can't be friends with a racist' he says, straight up.
G'wan sure!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 23, 2020, 10:09:16 AM
A lefty Irish lad I've known for several years deleted my number, the whole lot because I said 'looks like self defence to me' about the Rittenhouse thing.
'I can't be friends with a racist' he says, straight up.
G'wan sure!
Have you stopped crying yet or need a hug?
Yeah I'd lean on the side of self defense myself, though if that ends up being the outcome it'll be pretty incendiary.
Ah sure everyone is a racist, National Socialist and Fascist nowadays. We may as well just accept it and get on with wearing the deadly uniforms.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 23, 2020, 10:09:16 AM
A lefty Irish lad I've known for several years deleted my number, the whole lot because I said 'looks like self defence to me' about the Rittenhouse thing.
'I can't be friends with a racist' he says, straight up.
G'wan sure!
Well he's still on the forum here most days so you can make it up that way
It was a sad story from the start; a brainwashed kid, the manner of whose presence was illegal (armed minor) but seemingly encouraged, aided and abeted by adults, caught up in a situation that was simply beyond him. All this video does is make out that the brainwashing he was subject to is some kind of humanity saving "truth". I wouldn't want him to have the book thrown at him, but several adults need to be beaten round the head with some books and wisdom over it.
Yeah the end is pretty cringe.
What's the brainwashing angle? Seems he was well intentioned himself, but I don't know much of his background.
The particular brand of US patriotism (without needing to be branded as white supremacy or whatever else) pushed in the video, and quite clearly embraced - albeit probably with naïve good intentions - by Rittenhouse, is a dangerous and potent ideology, both nationally and internationally. You may tell me that the BLM ideology is also potent and dangerous; I can grant that.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 23, 2020, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 23, 2020, 10:09:16 AM
A lefty Irish lad I've known for several years deleted my number, the whole lot because I said 'looks like self defence to me' about the Rittenhouse thing.
'I can't be friends with a racist' he says, straight up.
G'wan sure!
Have you stopped crying yet or need a hug?
Once you put on that yellow and black Fred Perry polo shirt in the morning, tears ain't an option buddy boy :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 23, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 23, 2020, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 23, 2020, 10:09:16 AM
A lefty Irish lad I've known for several years deleted my number, the whole lot because I said 'looks like self defence to me' about the Rittenhouse thing.
'I can't be friends with a racist' he says, straight up.
G'wan sure!
Have you stopped crying yet or need a hug?
Once you put on that yellow and black Fred Perry polo shirt in the morning, tears ain't an option buddy boy :)
So dashing compared to sweaty black hoodie and skinny black jeans. XXxX
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 23, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 23, 2020, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 23, 2020, 10:09:16 AM
A lefty Irish lad I've known for several years deleted my number, the whole lot because I said 'looks like self defence to me' about the Rittenhouse thing.
'I can't be friends with a racist' he says, straight up.
G'wan sure!
Have you stopped crying yet or need a hug?
Once you put on that yellow and black Fred Perry polo shirt in the morning, tears ain't an option buddy boy :)
Fred Perry making the Kilkenny kits now?? :laugh:
It's black and amber for KK, still though 😂😂
So Biden says that Trump is responsible for every single Covid death in the US.
Ok Joe, if you get in you must surely be held for every single viral death in the US during your term.
There are so many levels of wrong in that statement. This is what the rational person is up against these days.
Sure the other day he said 200 million people will die from the virus by end of his speech :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGBg1JFTGTU&ab_channel=FunnyDemocrats
Quote from: mickO))) on September 24, 2020, 04:00:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGBg1JFTGTU&ab_channel=FunnyDemocrats
Some serious money being pumped into that bullshit.
Everyone should stop commenting on this thread now.
It has reached 88 pages which is proof Trump is basically Hitler.
...
Bollox, came out arseways ^^^ :laugh: :laugh:
America is in a bad place in all respects and sadly neither candidate seems to be likely to settle things down. Quite the opposite it seems. Cops getting shot because people are unhappy with judicial verdicts, anger that seems to have no end on both sides of the political divide, loopy politicians on both sides fanning the flames, corona fuckery... The Russians and Chinese must be rubbing their hands with glee.
We need to get Miggledy Higgins on the WWE
https://youtu.be/jkghtyxZ6rc
Big Donnie ♥️❤️♥️🇺🇸♥️❤️♥️
https://www.facebook.com/216709768355686/posts/4037082409651717/?extid=l9NirfK8sHIipxhT
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 24, 2020, 09:23:58 AM
The Russians and Chinese must be rubbing their hands with glee.
And whoever is the new Cambridge Analytica laughing all the way to the bank
Quote from: Pedrito on September 24, 2020, 10:08:05 AM
We need to get Miggledy Higgins on the WWE
https://youtu.be/jkghtyxZ6rc
And lads think Trump is racist after hedging his bets with Bobby Lashley like that!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 24, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
Big Donnie ♥️❤️♥️🇺🇸♥️❤️♥️
https://www.facebook.com/216709768355686/posts/4037082409651717/?extid=l9NirfK8sHIipxhT
Loved a part of one line where he goes "the concept hard work, rational thinking and the nuclear family". A man as far removed from all three principles (and nothing wrong with the principles) as you could get defending them. I lol'd.
2 out of three ain't bad
Which one of this three families wasn't nuclear...? :P
:laugh: the next one
I the woke lefty media are BULLYING Big Donnie over his taxes now 😥
Multi billionaire in tax dodging scandal.? Well I never.... :abbath:
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 29, 2020, 12:13:39 PM
Multi billionaire in tax dodging scandal.? Well I never.... :abbath:
It's so obvious he was a criminal that him being a criminal shouldn't be seen as a crime!
In any case, this is pretty much how things will be seen by his voter base.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 12:19:04 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 29, 2020, 12:13:39 PM
Multi billionaire in tax dodging scandal.? Well I never.... :abbath:
It's so obvious he was a criminal that him being a criminal shouldn't be seen as a crime!
In any case, this is pretty much how things will be seen by his voter base.
How on earth could you possibly know that, one way or the other? It's an easy trap to fall into, varying degrees of 'the basket of deplorables' comment, corralling everyone who voted for Trump into one homogenous ball of shite. Careful now.
Bah, another victim of the great MW design fail of the quote and edit buttons being so close to each other :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 12:19:04 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 29, 2020, 12:13:39 PM
Multi billionaire in tax dodging scandal.? Well I never.... :abbath:
It's so obvious he was a criminal that him being a criminal shouldn't be seen as a crime!
In any case, this is pretty much how things will be seen by his voter base.
You were raging about generalising Marxism and yet broad sweeping statements about the 'other side' don't seem to be an issue.
Quote from: Pedrito on September 29, 2020, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 12:19:04 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on September 29, 2020, 12:13:39 PM
Multi billionaire in tax dodging scandal.? Well I never.... :abbath:
It's so obvious he was a criminal that him being a criminal shouldn't be seen as a crime!
In any case, this is pretty much how things will be seen by his voter base.
You were raging about generalising Marxism and yet broad sweeping statements about the 'other side' don't seem to be an issue.
This is a prediction. I'll put my hand up and say I was wrong if things pan out differently with time and his voter base abandon him when they find out he's not just a draft-dodging soldier insulter, he's also a tax-dodging tax-dodger insulter!
None of the above is supposed to be taken literally; my prediction is simply that I don't think these revelations will fatally harm his chances in the election. On that, I could be proven wrong, and in fact I'm neutral at the prospect of being proven wrong because I have no faith in Biden either.
Just admit you'd love a rub of his shiny red head and a round of golf with him :laugh: :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 01:25:59 PM
None of the above is supposed to be taken literally; my prediction is simply that I don't think these revelations will fatally harm his chances in the election. On that, I could be proven wrong, and in fact I'm neutral at the prospect of being proven wrong because I have no faith in Biden either.
Most of his base won't abandon him no matter what he does. He did require floating voters in 2016 and that doesn't look good for him in that regard. One area he is losing voters is over 65 white people through his abysmal response to the pandemic. Even if he lost only 2% of that demographic hes done for.
First debate this evening. Might be interesting. The whole senile/dementia stick about Biden will come back to bite Trump in the ass if Biden stays coherent. Plus the fact Bidens best attribute is actually his debating skills.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 29, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 01:25:59 PM
First debate this evening. Might be interesting. The whole senile/dementia stick about Biden will come back to bite Trump in the ass if Biden stays coherent. Plus the fact Bidens best attribute is actually his debating skills.
Yeah looking forward to the debate. Did they come to any agreement on the fact checking during it? Or is he going to be lying away and crying fake news at everything? Can the moderator correct any of this rubbish?
Will be good to get his update on his war on Big Tech for the sake of this thread alone. I presume he's been working hard on a plan!
Quote from: pete on September 29, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 29, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 01:25:59 PM
First debate this evening. Might be interesting. The whole senile/dementia stick about Biden will come back to bite Trump in the ass if Biden stays coherent. Plus the fact Bidens best attribute is actually his debating skills.
Yeah looking forward to the debate. Did they come to any agreement on the fact checking during it? Or is he going to be lying away and crying fake news at everything? Can the moderator correct any of this rubbish?
Will be good to get his update on his war on Big Tech for the sake of this thread alone. I presume he's been working hard on a plan!
No agreement on fact checking afaik. Chris Wallace of Fox news is the moderator. He should be a good moderator. Hes fair and balanced. He was the one who had the interview with Trump on the White House lawn a few weeks ago and fact checked him in real time. An absolute clusterfuck of an interview by Trump.
Don't agree. It was presented that way but I actually went and watched it and, again, how much of a 'clusterfuck' it was is highly debatable.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 29, 2020, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: pete on September 29, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 29, 2020, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 29, 2020, 01:25:59 PM
First debate this evening. Might be interesting. The whole senile/dementia stick about Biden will come back to bite Trump in the ass if Biden stays coherent. Plus the fact Bidens best attribute is actually his debating skills.
Yeah looking forward to the debate. Did they come to any agreement on the fact checking during it? Or is he going to be lying away and crying fake news at everything? Can the moderator correct any of this rubbish?
Will be good to get his update on his war on Big Tech for the sake of this thread alone. I presume he's been working hard on a plan!
No agreement on fact checking afaik. Chris Wallace of Fox news is the moderator. He should be a good moderator. Hes fair and balanced. He was the one who had the interview with Trump on the White House lawn a few weeks ago and fact checked him in real time. An absolute clusterfuck of an interview by Trump.
Ah yeah I remember that one.
"I heard we have one of the lowest, maybe the lowest, mortality rate anywhere in the world" and then cried Fake News at Wallace. It can be hard to work out if he is just playing the game or is actually that ignorant and misinformed.
Hopefully that kind of rubbish will be stamped out tonight.
Respect to Biden showing up, he seems well advanced in his dotage by all accounts, but those Fox News editors are clearly exaggerating or inventing wholesale a lot of this senility guff. We'll see this evening I suppose.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 29, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
Like every mainstream media outlet that is not Fox, they tried to make him look a stumblebum, or a bigot or whatever. If you think it was a 'clusterfuck' of an interview, explain why? It's what you want to believe, clearly.
Watch the unedited Charlottesville interviews, not the one CNN showed you and which millions swallowed as verbatim. You can't trust any of these rats.
I watched him with Wallace on Fox. He appeared inept there too IMO.
The white House YouTube channel also broadcasts things that make him look inept. Even his own tweets make him look inept.
I think we may have to stop blaming this mainstream media ha.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 29, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
Like every mainstream media outlet that is not Fox, they tried to make him look a stumblebum, or a bigot or whatever. If you think it was a 'clusterfuck' of an interview, explain why? It's what you want to believe, clearly.
Your last line there. It's not what I want to believe. Trump has given 2 possibly 3 really good speeches. He did one about his brothers drinking and how he avoided drink and it was actually heart warming and thoughtful. There was also a policy speech he did a year ago (cant remember off the top of my head which one) and he was coherent and he nailed it.
His interview with Wallace was one of the first where he got fact checked in real time. And I watched it. And Trump did an awful interview. To be honest it was more of an eye opener to see a fox representative not give him an easy ride.
Quote from: pete on September 29, 2020, 03:27:31 PM
It can be hard to work out if he is just playing the game or is actually that ignorant and misinformed.
I don't think anyone gives him enough credit for how well he plays the game to be fair. I reckon he is a lot smarter than he is made out to be and knows exactly who his main voter base is and how entrenched a lot of them are. He just needs to get enough of them energized enough to vote and he is a shoo in.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 29, 2020, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 29, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
Like every mainstream media outlet that is not Fox, they tried to make him look a stumblebum, or a bigot or whatever. If you think it was a 'clusterfuck' of an interview, explain why? It's what you want to believe, clearly.
Your last line there. It's not what I want to believe. Trump has given 2 possibly 3 really good speeches. He did one about his brothers drinking and how he avoided drink and it was actually heart warming and thoughtful. There was also a policy speech he did a year ago (cant remember off the top of my head which one) and he was coherent and he nailed it.
His interview with Wallace was one of the first where he got fact checked in real time. And I watched it. And Trump did an awful interview. To be honest it was more of an eye opener to see a fox representative not give him an easy ride.
I enjoyed the one where he hit back at the media about them giving him hassle about not being able to drink out of the glass. It was one of his rallies, can't remember which one. But he spoke well for a while and put on a good show imo. An energy that Biden doesn't have.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 29, 2020, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: pete on September 29, 2020, 03:27:31 PM
It can be hard to work out if he is just playing the game or is actually that ignorant and misinformed.
I don't think anyone gives him enough credit for how well he plays the game to be fair. I reckon he is a lot smarter than he is made out to be and knows exactly who his main voter base is and how entrenched a lot of them are. He just needs to get enough of them energized enough to vote and he is a shoo in.
Oh he's brilliant at playing the game. Gotta give him credit for that. It's not just his base he needs though. He had votes from outside his base last time, especially undecided voters who disliked Hillary. I doubt he has them this time. He was the outsider last time. This time he has to defend his 4 years as president.
That's a fair point, anyone but Hilary and they'd have been nailed on. I still can't believe that Biden is the best the Democrats could come up with to oppose him this time either. Surely there was somebody more charismatic they could have thrown in there. I think Trump will get in again and I wonder was it some sort of arrogance on the opposition's side thinking they could let anyone at all run against him and win.
Anyway if he doesn't get back in he could always invoke the Irish solution and simply repeat the process until he gets the result he wants.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 29, 2020, 04:41:41 PM
That's a fair point, anyone but Hilary and they'd have been nailed on. I still can't believe that Biden is the best the Democrats could come up with to oppose him this time either. Surely there was somebody more charismatic they could have thrown in there. I think Trump will get in again and I wonder was it some sort of arrogance on the opposition's side thinking they could let anyone at all run against him and win.
Anyway if he doesn't get back in he could always invoke the Irish solution and simply repeat the process until he gets the result he wants.
Aye how they couldn't find a different candidate to Biden is beyond me.
Ah sure you know the lefties. They're all pepped up on goofballs.
The solution they seem to have come up with is Kamela Harris, who is another fuckin' eejit who got trounced in the primaries, but she's at least somewhat dynamic, the right colour (black but not too black), and she's trying to talk like the cool kids (didn't work for Hilary but sure listen). The unspoken message, I feel, just vote for the auld lad and it'll be this one running the show.
The problem for Biden is, Trump is a bit like Iván Drago when it comes to debating, and he's more of a Francie Barrett than Rocky Balboa. Will the debate change many minds considering how entrenched every cunt over there seems to be? Hard to say with certainty, not not significant numbers id imagine.
Sure it's a bit of a laugh anyway :)
Well, from these four minutes I can firmly conclude that these two geriatric bickering toddlers are not worth 86 more of my minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kK9UU3dTo8
I woke up in the middle of the night for a piss and put it on for a few minutes. Trump was interrupting constantly, going on about Bidens son being kicked out of the army for being a cokehead (what the fuck like🤣). The other lad losing his rag and babbling incoherent shite. What an utter shambles.
It's what America deserves... :laugh:
Trump's comments at the end, calling for what essentially amounts to voter intimidation as if it's not a bother.......
They said some things alright. Calling it a debate would be a bit of a stretch though. What a joke.
Trump definitely got the proud boy vote, if he didn't have it already (he did but still).
Well that was a bit shit. Was hoping for more entertainment tbh. I did love when Biden told trump to shut up ha.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on September 30, 2020, 12:21:48 PM
Trump's comments at the end, calling for what essentially amounts to voter intimidation as if it's not a bother.......
They said some things alright. Calling it a debate would be a bit of a stretch though. What a joke.
Don't forget, he's definitely not a fascist.
Jaysus lad, let it go ffs 🤣🤣🤣
I think Biden came off as being much more focused and lucid, and in possession of something resembling a plan. Trump just waffled and threw insults without any real clarity of what his direction is for the country.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 30, 2020, 01:31:37 PM
I think Biden came off as being much more focused and lucid, and in possession of something resembling a plan. Trump just waffled and threw insults without any real clarity of what his direction is for the country.
Aye that was my view too. Biden just had to keep calm and be focused and let Trump keep doing his shouting act. Hopefully the next moderators can do a better job but thats being hopeful.
They both came off as two kids shouting at each other in the playground. Biden's main appeal to wavering voters is he's not Trump. A lot of Americans must be thinking to themselves after watching that crap, is this the best we can do.
I think Biden made more of an appeal than merely playing the not-Trump angle. He was goaded incessantly and remained composed for the most part. He seemed to at least have some prepared responses whereas Trump was just winging every answer. The forest cities in Europe, for fuck sake! I mean, that was pure fantasy stuff... I dunno. Perhaps Biden is a weak candidate in the grand scheme of things but he looked to me like the real deal when contrasted with the flailing clown beside him.
That said, despite considering myself as a far middle person and having issues with a lot of the nutty left stuff that is currently en vogue, I utterly despise Trump. He is just the most unlikable character to have crawled into politics in recent times. I hope that we see the back of him in November, but I equally hope the BLM chaos gets reined in too. Bit of a car crash scenario all round.
Trump came off so deranged, the constant shouting and roaring and more incoherent than Biden...that could not have been the game plan his team came up with? But there would be no joy in voting for Biden after watching that "debate", his idea of giving 20 billion to Brazil to stop burning down the rainforests...I think that was actually...the only policy mention of the night from either of them?! Shambles.
But look, these debates never had any substance to them to begin with...and very little to be gained from either side. I could see Trump winning 2016 but I don't see much of a path towards victory for him now....but still plenty of time left until election day.
It's a bit mad how the debates sway people when all they have to do to judge Trump is look at how he has performed being in the position for the last 4 years.
If he has done good things, it's likely he will do them in the future. If he has done bad things, the same.
The problem with that approach I guess is how to judge Biden. The debates are a waste of time though, much like the ones we see in this country. More of a contest to see who can talk the most convincing shite before they get in and pretty much do none of it. The US approach actually seems to be like monkeys throwing shit at each other but not half as funny. Like not how good I will be, just how bad the other lad is.
This is it. Pure theatre, I don't think it'll substantially swing things (although Al Gore is said to have suffered with similar reaction to goading from W).
Still though, Trump came off in a very poor light, his tactics were clear, but they did backfire to an extent. Arrogant, dismissive. He behaved like a cock, and his advisors would want to be giving him a new strategy for round 2.
Is he capable of strategizing? He seems like the ultimate wing and prayer type to me. Details? What are they? Ah sure, I'll just say stuff and it'll be grand..
On the Biden side, it was absolutely laughable his dismissing Antifa as an 'idea'. If there was a lie count, I don't think Trump would have come out on top, particularly on the big issues (trump is one of those people who can't help but embellish).
But the interrupting and bellicose behaviour...dumb.
It's a decent strategy by the Democrats though, to explicitly cast antifa as merely the moral notion of being anti-fascist, even if it is empirically laughable.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on September 30, 2020, 06:02:36 PM
This is it. Pure theatre, I don't think it'll substantially swing things (although Al Gore is said to have suffered with similar reaction to goading from W).
Still though, Trump came off in a very poor light, his tactics were clear, but they did backfire to an extent. Arrogant, dismissive. He behaved like a cock, and his advisors would want to be giving him a new strategy for round 2.
Since when has Trump ever listened to anyone that wasn't the hamster in his head working the controls?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 30, 2020, 07:05:27 PM
It's a decent strategy by the Democrats though, to explicitly cast antifa as merely the moral notion of being anti-fascist, even if it is empirically laughable.
I doubt even Don Lemon would swallow that load of shite in fairness. Antifa is an idea? Come on now lad yer messin'. Daft thing to say, total gaffe.
It wasn't a "gaffe", it was very knowingly stated. I don't think it's a strategy that will work with the majority, but the left are constantly working to normalize use of the label "antifa" to mean only the fact of opposing fascism. Where they succeed, in those minds they persuade, being against antifa will mean opposing anti-fascism. As I said, the wager may well work against them, but it definitely wasn't a "gaffe", strictly speaking. An error of judgement maybe, but on a strategic level, not a heat of the moment fumble.
Plus, it's a quote from the director of the FBI who is Trump's employee, by all accounts.
All Biden had to do to look good was not collapse on stage, as Trump had all but declared him dead prior to this farce. A debate with the sole purpose of creating memes.
Well a gaffe is essentially an error of judgment so we don't really disagree. Most Americans have seen these assholes on the streets, organising, creating havoc etc, dressed in their little gimpy uniforms and waving those oh-so-trendy flags with the German pig Latin slogan. The point being, it's a tad intelligence insulting to tell such an outrageous, outright transparent lie without a leg to stand on with the obvious intent of keeping these wankers onside.
Pointless really, because Marc Dutroux or Jimmy Saville would get their vote ahead of Trump.
Fuck man, Jimmy Savile.
The one thing in the world that everyone can agree on. I'd say even the pedos find him distasteful.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 30, 2020, 02:36:05 PM
. Perhaps Biden is a weak candidate in the grand scheme of things but he looked to me like the real deal when contrasted with the flailing clown beside him.
He did not look like the real deal to me at all, it's just that the person he is up against is so crass and inept, all he had to do was stay awake :). So in that regard Biden refuted Trump's main line of attack against him prior to the debate. Donald only appealed to his base in this debate, so in effect, as poor as Joe was, he still came out on top.
I doubt Donald is capable of swaying undecided voters in the next two debates. He is just too arrogant and petulant to employ any strategy his advisers might come up with.
Trump is such a law unto himself that it is difficult not to enjoy him at times for pure entertainment value and in a way I will miss him when he is gone in 2024
Quote from: astfgyl on September 30, 2020, 11:09:46 PM
Trump is such a law unto himself that it is difficult not to enjoy him at times for pure entertainment value and in a way I will miss him when he is gone in 2024
He might be gone before then.
Yeah he might die, it's a risk we all increasingly have to live with as we get older
Quote from: Cailleach on September 30, 2020, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 30, 2020, 02:36:05 PM
. Perhaps Biden is a weak candidate in the grand scheme of things but he looked to me like the real deal when contrasted with the flailing clown beside him.
He did not look like the real deal to me at all, it's just that the person he is up against is so crass and inept, all he had to do was stay awake :). So in that regard Biden refuted Trump's main line of attack against him prior to the debate. Donald only appealed to his base in this debate, so in effect, as poor as Joe was, he still came out on top.
I doubt Donald is capable of swaying undecided voters in the next two debates. He is just too arrogant and petulant to employ any strategy his advisers might come up with.
I should clarify my point. He seemed like a politician :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on September 30, 2020, 11:50:45 PM
Yeah he might die, it's a risk we all increasingly have to live with as we get older
Be a bit more optimistic, with his vast wealth he'll hopefully live beyond 2024. He might not be in the oval office for your amusement until then, though.
Ah yeah it's wide open at the minute. I don't even know why I have this sneaking suspicion that he will win out. I had the same feeling last time round even though on the face of it, Hilary seemed a dead certainty to get the job.
The debate was a big disappointment Trump let himself down with all the interruptions. He should have just let Biden speak you could see on a few occasions were Biden started to stutter or was about to fuck up but then Trump just interrupted him.
The big question for me is what did they do or give Biden to make him seem somewhat coherent that's the first time since he started running that he didn't get confused when speaking and I don't think a simple ear piece telling him what to say did the job when he has even been struggling to read from teleprompters in the past.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 01, 2020, 03:05:21 PM
Ah yeah it's wide open at the minute. I don't even know why I have this sneaking suspicion that he will win out. I had the same feeling last time round even though on the face of it, Hilary seemed a dead certainty to get the job.
I think Hilary's mistake was her team took certain states for granted, so ignored them. Also she is intensely disliked by a lot of people that see her as an elitist, who really did noting for Joe public. Donald could win, but i suspect he may know the game is up when he is scaremongering about mass postal fraud.
There is talk of the mics being turned off in the next debate if a candidate keeps interrupting, Donald talking to himself will be funny to watch :laugh:
Quote from: mickO))) on October 01, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
The debate was a big disappointment Trump let himself down with all the interruptions. He should have just let Biden speak you could see on a few occasions were Biden started to stutter or was about to fuck up but then Trump just interrupted him.
The big question for me is what did they do or give Biden to make him seem somewhat coherent that's the first time since he started running that he didn't get confused when speaking and I don't think a simple ear piece telling him what to say did the job when he has even been struggling to read from teleprompters in the past.
He was coherent at his town hall and various interviews he has given in the last few months. Does he stutter. Yes. Does he do gaffes. Yes. But the narrative from Fox and the like of a blathering mess is nonsense. And when he talks policy hes light years ahead of Trump. Wouldnt be hard mind.
Quote from: Cailleach on October 01, 2020, 03:26:10 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on October 01, 2020, 03:05:21 PM
Ah yeah it's wide open at the minute. I don't even know why I have this sneaking suspicion that he will win out. I had the same feeling last time round even though on the face of it, Hilary seemed a dead certainty to get the job.
I think Hilary's mistake was her team took certain states for granted, so ignored them. Also she is intensely disliked by a lot of people that see her as an elitist, who really did noting for Joe public. Donald could win, but i suspect he may know the game is up when he is scaremongering about mass postal fraud.
There is talk of the mics being turned off in the next debate if a candidate keeps interrupting, Donald talking to himself will be funny to watch :laugh:
There was a certain arrogance there in thinking that Trump would lose all by himself and that she wouldn't have to really do a whole lot to see him off.
Edit:The postal vote thing does smell of desperation.
Anyway I probably won't watch any of the debates myself. Saw a couple of minutes and it was infuriating. I'll let some other poor fucker watch it and read the transcript.
I don't get the view that he's 'light years ahead on policy'. One of the core reasons for Trump having an unshakable grip on certain sectors of society is that he is seen as a man, for all his flaws and all his bluster and all his exaggeration, who wants the best for America, as opposed to being a career politician, a panderer, a patsy. His economic successes are not refutable, although he can't help but embellish them. Biden thinks the Green New Deal, one of the most preposterous proposals I've ever heard, is a good idea (or at least he pretends to, he's as greasy as you'd expect in this cutthroat times).
He's not bombing cunts, he has kept his nose out of foreign military entanglements for the most part, he would like to take US troops out of places where they frankly shouldn't be, and I'm not solely referring to Afghanistan.
Personal charm for many, in the way that CJ had at home, doesn't hurt either.
I understood that as meaning "light years ahead in his knowledge and understanding of policy". Pretty sure there are folk still getting bombed since 2017 too.
Who?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 07:24:19 PM
I understood that as meaning "light years ahead in his knowledge and understanding of policy". Pretty sure there are folk still getting bombed since 2017 too.
Aye that's what I meant. Compare Bidens response about Covid at the town hall meeting to any of Trumps multiple daily Covid bridefings. Light years apart. Another thing that's quite distasteful is how in those early briefing you never heard Trump utter condolences for the families who lost loved ones. I suppose that would go against the narrative of the amazing job they're doing.
Trump's patter is very vague, that's certainly true. Nevertheless he did quite a bit of what he said he'd do, and that's undeniable, despite his inability to express intricacy, and millions of his own people have benefitted in real terms, including the people they are trying to re-educate you into believing he hates.
He's not that bad.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 01, 2020, 07:47:51 PMand millions of his own people have benefitted in real terms,
Yeah like a Proud Boy getting into an official campaign video, just great :abbath:
https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-trump-video-colorado-rally-1535645
The Proud Boys are not racists and don't burn stuff down or kill people. Yet they get thrown in the jail for fighting Antifa pansies who are, until recently, seemingly above the law!
They may have some members with crossover membership of groups of assholes, but the western chauvinist and Antifa bashing? Carry on lads.
A decent, drama free, breakdown of Hunter Biden here. Even if it's all perfectly legal, I'm not sure how any right minded person can think any of it is right, and it's certainly not only democrats at it. A pure swamp the whole lot of it: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/hunter-bidens-legal-socially-acceptable-corruption/598804/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 01, 2020, 07:24:19 PM
I understood that as meaning "light years ahead in his knowledge and understanding of policy". Pretty sure there are folk still getting bombed since 2017 too.
Yes, lot of people still on the receiving end of drone strikes, it's just they tend not to be reported on unless it's someone high profile like the the head of the Quds Forces.
Yeah but who? And where? Existing war zones?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
Yeah but who? And where? Existing war zones?
You said he wasn't dropping bombs on folk. But he is. Now what's your logic?
"The person was already being kicked to death before I arrived! I can hardly be blamed for carrying it on!"
I think it was Juggz already posted this a couple of weeks back, to answer your questions more specifically:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/map-shows-places-world-where-us-military-operates-180970997/
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 06:20:03 AM
The Proud Boys are not racists and don't burn stuff down or kill people. Yet they get thrown in the jail for fighting Antifa pansies who are, until recently, seemingly above the law!
They may have some members with crossover membership of groups of assholes, but the western chauvinist and Antifa bashing? Carry on lads.
I love how you defaulted to "they're not racists!" without being prompted.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
Yeah but who? And where? Existing war zones?
Trumo has more drone strikes under his watch than Obama's. They just dont report them anymore. Nothing to see here.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
Yeah but who? And where? Existing war zones?
Syria. Yemen. Iraq. Somalia. Just because you don't hear about them does not mean they are not happening, it's just that under Donald they have reversed the Obama policy of announcing them.
Speaking of Obama, did you point out any positives things you felt he did, or is it the case you felt he got enough praise already, so there was no need for you to do so.
Though I do agree with you about Donald he has done some positives things, but some people have such a rabid hatred of him, they'd be loathe to acknowledge anything he did as praiseworthy.
I'm not sure i can agree with you about him being charming, though.
It's not that I'd loathe to acknowledge any good things he's done, it's more a case of what's the point? The man is still one of the biggest shitstains on humanity in the 21st century. Why should he be praised for occasionally doing his job?
Quote from: Cailleach on October 02, 2020, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
Yeah but who? And where? Existing war zones?
Syria. Yemen. Iraq. Somalia. Just because you don't hear about them does not mean they are not happening, it's just that under Donald they have reversed the Obama policy of announcing them.
Speaking of Obama, did you point out any positives things you felt he did, or is it the case you felt he got enough praise already, so there was no need for you to do so.
Though I do agree with you about Donald he has done some positives things, but some people have such a rabid hatred of him, they'd be loathe to acknowledge anything he did as praiseworthy.
I'm not sure i can agree with you about him being charming, though.
Some of those are through proxies or client states like Saudi Arabia, but fine, point taken. I'd like to see hard data on the extent of it being directed by Trump, he seems to be against stupid foreign quagmires at the behest of horrible neo con warhawks or arms companies.
Obama was shackled from the beginning, he was incapable of affecting anything he promised. The Obamacare disaster is a case in point.
Quote from: Ducky on October 02, 2020, 04:12:44 PM
It's not that I'd loathe to acknowledge any good things he's done, it's more a case of what's the point? The man is still one of the biggest shitstains on humanity in the 21st century. Why should he be praised for occasionally doing his job?
Madeleine Albright is the worst of the worst shitstains. Now, there was a proper cunt.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 04:38:40 PM
Quote from: Cailleach on October 02, 2020, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 02, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
Yeah but who? And where? Existing war zones?
Syria. Yemen. Iraq. Somalia. Just because you don't hear about them does not mean they are not happening, it's just that under Donald they have reversed the Obama policy of announcing them.
Speaking of Obama, did you point out any positives things you felt he did, or is it the case you felt he got enough praise already, so there was no need for you to do so.
Though I do agree with you about Donald he has done some positives things, but some people have such a rabid hatred of him, they'd be loathe to acknowledge anything he did as praiseworthy.
I'm not sure i can agree with you about him being charming, though.
Some of those are through proxies or client states like Saudi Arabia, but fine, point taken. I'd like to see hard data on the extent of it being directed by Trump, he seems to be against stupid foreign quagmires at the behest of horrible neo con warhawks or arms companies.
Obama was shackled from the beginning, he was incapable of affecting anything he promised. The Obamacare disaster is a case in point.
Well the hard data is he is commander chief and he signed off on reversing the Obama Policy of announcing drone strikes. You are right he stood up to hawks like Bolton, who has never seen a war he did not like. If Bolton had his way America would have invaded Iran. I give him credit for that. I can imagine if you are in an economic blackspot in America which has benefited from his term, you're likely to have a more favourable view of Donald, than some well- paid fleet street Journalist in London who protests the stupidity of Americans for backing Donald.
Obama had good intentions, but yes he was hamstrung by parliament. He was full of crap about wall street, though.
Update from the Big Man on his war against Twitter. Seems to be moving along :)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313511340124917760
Quote from: pete on October 06, 2020, 05:22:00 PM
Update from the Big Man on his war against Twitter. Seems to be moving along :)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313511340124917760
Hes gone bert on the Twitter. Wait till the steroids wear off.
I'll take a double dose of whatever they're filling him full of. I'd say he went home and gave Melania an awful going over in the sack. If it's a hoax it's some entertainment in fairness :laugh:
Even I of all people suspect that he never had it in the first place, but yeah he is some bollix. Either that or there is now a cure... Viagra sounds like one hell of a drug!
If he did have it, he is after getting the same strain as Bolsonaro instead of the one Boris Johnson got.
I also wouldn't put it past him. But the footage of him heavy breathing at last night's "Hail Hail Our Dear Leader" photo op after he climbed the stairs of the White House indicates hes got a dose of something.
I thought he looked pretty fucked in the videos from in the hospital as well. Haven't seen that one you mention there but at his age I'd be amazed if he even got over a cold that fast.
Now he says he's not turning up to the virtual debate. Thought that would be a good one. They ask a difficult question "ooh my internet connection isn't good... sorry, lost ya"
Quote from: Pedrito on October 06, 2020, 09:18:37 PM
I'd say he went home and gave Melania an awful going over in the sack.
You reckon she still let's him near her? She's obviously an awful dose for marrying the lad for the obvious superficial reasons, but for the sake of cosmic aesthetic order, I do hope there's some hunk of a White House gardener making the most of what nature gave her!
Even you'd give into him once he started whispering sweet nothings in your ear :laugh:
Maybe she makes him wear the mask. That would explain why he hates it so much
I'd say big Don would give any man a run for his money. He threw up 100k for a ride of Stormy Daniels and I have to say more power to the man. There's lads his age have long given up on life, slipper and pipe and occasional trips to the local Centra for a packet of Hob Nobs, and there he is going in face first on a young lady who has seen more pipe than the Wavin factory in Balbriggan, and a fine yoke to boot. All this while married to the luscious Melania. And they thought Covid would down him. No chance. Time to get out the elephant or gattling gun and even then I'm not sure he'll be downed too easily.
Had a look at Trump's twitter there out of curiosity, and not picking anything in particular out of it, but is there anything that Republicans and Democrats agree on at all? Or do they sometimes agree outside of the election cycle? Seriously polarising stuff from both.
Also, did see a graph of Californian incarcerations broken down by race there and while it was heavily biased towards the black community, what struck me most was just how many people the US puts in prison. It's frightening.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 09, 2020, 02:09:49 PM
Had a look at Trump's twitter there out of curiosity, and not picking anything in particular out of it, but is there anything that Republicans and Democrats agree on at all? Or do they sometimes agree outside of the election cycle? Seriously polarising stuff from both.
Also, did see a graph of Californian incarcerations broken down by race there and while it was heavily biased towards the black community, what struck me most was just how many people the US puts in prison. It's frightening.
A quarter of the world's prison population is in America I believe. Loads in jail too for possessing a small bit of marijuana. Ridiculous. Sure prison is big business over there.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 09, 2020, 02:09:49 PM
Had a look at Trump's twitter there out of curiosity, and not picking anything in particular out of it, but is there anything that Republicans and Democrats agree on at all? Or do they sometimes agree outside of the election cycle? Seriously polarising stuff from both.
I always figured it's a bit like Fianna Fail and Fine Gael over here, essentially the same party but will always go against each other because they're in opposition.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 09, 2020, 02:09:49 PM
Had a look at Trump's twitter there out of curiosity, and not picking anything in particular out of it, but is there anything that Republicans and Democrats agree on at all? Or do they sometimes agree outside of the election cycle? Seriously polarising stuff from both.
Israel would be the main thing they'd always agree on, I think both tend to roll out the 'greatest ally' opinion.
Quote from: Trev on October 09, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
I always figured it's a bit like Fianna Fail and Fine Gael over here, essentially the same party but will always go against each other because they're in opposition.
Yeah, it's crazy how both parties here pretty much implement the same policies no matter what, but tear strips out of each other to see which one will get to do it each time.
The divide in the US seems so entrenched that it borders on dangerous at times, flinging around lies about one thing or another until nobody knows what is even close to the truth of anything. They could really do with a third major party over there to look at policies from both sides worth implementing and basing a manifesto on that, rather than "the other side is wrong" no matter what. Maybe it would be a unifying force if a party based their policies on positive ideas from each side and rather than instinctively opposing things, simply questioning them out to see what could work. A bit of balance is badly needed in politics, here and there. Probably wouldn't work though given how fervent the support is, and how personally defining the red or blue seems to be over there. To be fair to O'Bama, he seemed to at least attempt to be a unifying force at times, but for all I know so did Trump but the media didn't bother to cover it, such is the bias against him over here.
Quote from: Bigmac on October 09, 2020, 03:27:15 PM
Israel would be the main thing they'd always agree on, I think both tend to roll out the 'greatest ally' opinion.
Actually yeah, now you mention it. What gives with that?
Quote from: Pedrito on October 08, 2020, 10:39:27 PM
I'd say big Don would give any man a run for his money. He threw up 100k for a ride of Stormy Daniels and I have to say more power to the man. There's lads his age have long given up on life, slipper and pipe and occasional trips to the local Centra for a packet of Hob Nobs, and there he is going in face first on a young lady who has seen more pipe than the Wavin factory in Balbriggan, and a fine yoke to boot. All this while married to the luscious Melania. And they thought Covid would down him. No chance. Time to get out the elephant or gattling gun and even then I'm not sure he'll be downed too easily.
Melania is a phenomenal looking animal. I wonder what she sees in that stupid, fat, ugly multi- billionaire.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 09, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 08, 2020, 10:39:27 PM
I'd say big Don would give any man a run for his money. He threw up 100k for a ride of Stormy Daniels and I have to say more power to the man. There's lads his age have long given up on life, slipper and pipe and occasional trips to the local Centra for a packet of Hob Nobs, and there he is going in face first on a young lady who has seen more pipe than the Wavin factory in Balbriggan, and a fine yoke to boot. All this while married to the luscious Melania. And they thought Covid would down him. No chance. Time to get out the elephant or gattling gun and even then I'm not sure he'll be downed too easily.
Melania is a phenomenal looking animal. I wonder what she sees in that stupid, fat, ugly multi- billionaire.
Best comedy gag ever....
https://youtu.be/Lj-9lSEBBm0
Quote from: astfgyl on October 09, 2020, 03:35:46 PM
Actually yeah, now you mention it. What gives with that?
Likely something to do with donations and financial backing. I think for instance Sheldon Adelson is the biggest single financial backer of Trump, he's projected to give something like 200 million to the 2020 election cycle. Criticism of Israel would mean Trump kissing goodbye to that.
Just don't mention the USS Liberty.
Also don't mention the FBI investigations that were stopped regarding their Allies activity on American soil
Quote from: Cailleach on October 10, 2020, 01:37:54 PM
Also don't mention the FBI investigations that were stopped regarding their Allies activity on American soil
Fun fact: Some of the worlds most innovative dance comes from Israel. Google "Dancing Israelis" to find out more ;)
Black voices for Trump must be fairly unpopular going about their business. The question in my mind is has Trump been bad for Black communities or simply the same as ever, or has he improved their lot over the last 4 years? Some cacophony the whole thing. I can only imagine how confusing it must all be for the undecided US voter.
Interesting to see the facebook and twitter ban on anyone posting about the Biden emails and the New York post article from Wednesday. Makes me really curious to see what else they pull from Hunters hard drive over the next few days.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 16, 2020, 04:03:24 AM
Interesting to see the facebook and twitter ban on anyone posting about the Biden emails and the New York post article from Wednesday. Makes me really curious to see what else they pull from Hunters hard drive over the next few days.
Well seeing as supposedly the FBI have had the hard drive for a while id imagine they would already be out there. One nugget from the story in the New York post (such a reputable publication lol) is that the guy im the store helped the FBI get data off the hard drive. The FBI needed technical help from the owner of the store. You couldn't make it up.
Big Don giving any man a run for their money ❤️❤️❤️
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/16/donald-trump-tweets-babylon-bees-satirical-news-story-joe-biden/3676071001/
Saw kirstey Alley trending there and I see she's getting a tonne of shit because she supports Trump. They're trying to get Fuckkirstyalley trending. Strangely, since she was my first crush it has a different meaning for me.
Whoever wins out of Trump or Biden, there's going to be a backlash shit storm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJDXj6-54wE&ab_channel=DonaldJTrump
Beautiful :-*
Quote from: astfgyl on October 13, 2020, 10:07:48 AM
Black voices for Trump must be fairly unpopular going about their business. The question in my mind is has Trump been bad for Black communities or simply the same as ever, or has he improved their lot over the last 4 years? Some cacophony the whole thing. I can only imagine how confusing it must all be for the undecided US voter.
https://www.vox.com/21524499/what-trump-has-done-for-black-people
Here's an overview by Vox of what he has and hasn't done for the black community over there, with references and a level of fairness given to each point.
But essentially, he has done fuck all for the black community and takes credit for many policies and positive trends that were in place before his term.
He's a fucking spoof lads, can't believe some of the shite I'm reading here. Whatever about the woke left, leave all that aside and look at the guy's track record since getting into office. Totally inept.
Ah, Vox though, they are one of the biased sources around when it comes to Trump.
I think there may be a small element who will vote for him because of all the memes, theatre and comedy he provides. Young f'las who don't care about or understand policy, or as a middle finger to the woke crowd.
Black unemployment is down under his stewardship but whether or not that is co-incidence is unclear.
He's definitely not appropriate for the job. But (and this is not an either/or argument), the lad who is up against him is up to his eyeballs in corruption. A complete gangster. One look at the Hunter Biden story, the Ukranian oil money etc should be enough for any American to despair at their choices. A ridiculous state of affairs and a sign of how fucked the system is.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 29, 2020, 07:24:29 AMI think there may be a small element who will vote for him because of all the memes, theatre and comedy he provides. Young f'las who don't care about or understand policy, or as a middle finger to the woke crowd.
As a small aside to all of this, I know a good few younger people (18, 19) who voted for Willie O'Dea in the last election because 'the rubberbandits have a song about him and he's in loads of funny memes'.
Stanford University did a study on Trumps rallies. Link https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3722299 Comclusion that they caused an extra 30000 cases and 700 deaths. He's a fucking madman.
Let's be fair here, that paper is a load of political nonsense timed to coincide with the election. Whatever about being pro or anti Trump, there are a hell of a lot of assumptions made to get them to that figure of 700 deaths. Have you gone about reading the thing? The first page is dedicated to explaining how they are basically pulling out of their arses. Not peer reviewed either.
I wonder when somebody will pull out a shite paper like that for Biden's lockdown policies and the effect on poverty-related poor health outcomes or increases in opioid abuse or suicides due to loss of livelihoods or missed cancer screenings or delayed treatments for curable illnesses or the reported increases in problem drinking and domestic violence and child abuse or even the long term mental health effects of being kept away from family and friends for the aged. Fuck it, why not do up a paper on how many deaths were caused by Biden's beloved BLM protests? Sure we know why not, don't we
Seriously.
Aye it's not peer reviewed but it doesn't take a genius to realise holding a rally in the middle of a pandemic is lunacy. 100,000 cases yesterday. World record for cases in a day. He's a nutter.
Making a prediction here. Biden going to be the 46th president. Trump is going to be the 47th.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 31, 2020, 01:14:47 PM
Aye it's not peer reviewed but it doesn't take a genius to realise holding a rally in the middle of a pandemic is lunacy. 100,000 cases yesterday. World record for cases in a day. He's a nutter.
I don't think he is quite the nutter the media would have us believe. I'm not saying I think he is all good either, but in a US election year, all stories must be taken with a pinch of salt. Logic would indeed say that large rallies should increase transmission and they surely do, but that paper trying to quantify it is rubbish and the timing is highly questionable. Don't really want to get into covid stuff on this thread but a lot of it is highly questionable and the media have a lot to answer for, not that they ever will.
I have said it here before but I can't understand how nobody could find a better runner than Biden and if he wins, it won't be because he is any good just that the hatred of Trump is so strong it gives him a chance.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 31, 2020, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 31, 2020, 01:14:47 PM
Aye it's not peer reviewed but it doesn't take a genius to realise holding a rally in the middle of a pandemic is lunacy. 100,000 cases yesterday. World record for cases in a day. He's a nutter.
I don't think he is quite the nutter the media would have us believe. I'm not saying I think he is all good either, but in a US election year, all stories must be taken with a pinch of salt. Logic would indeed say that large rallies should increase transmission and they surely do, but that paper trying to quantify it is rubbish and the timing is highly questionable. Don't really want to get into covid stuff on this thread but a lot of it is highly questionable and the media have a lot to answer for, not that they ever will.
I have said it here before but I can't understand how nobody could find a better runner than Biden and if he wins, it won't be because he is any good just that the hatred of Trump is so strong it gives him a chance.
Aye not going into Covid detail here, there's a thread as you said for that. So i dont care about what the media would have us believe about him. He has held multiple rallies (18 i think so far) during a pandemic. Absolute total fucking nutter of a lad.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 31, 2020, 01:14:47 PM
Aye it's not peer reviewed but it doesn't take a genius to realise holding a rally in the middle of a pandemic is lunacy. 100,000 cases yesterday. World record for cases in a day. He's a nutter.
A nutter? No, you dislike him. It's not quite the same thing.
He has significant and manifest problems of emotional stability, a clear impulse-control disorder, and a fairly obvious narcissistic personality disorder. It just happens that those qualities are actually valued as positives by a lot of US citizens, which is something that can be seen on both sides of the US political divide. So, in the US, true enough, he isn't really a nutter; he's the very embodiment of the norm that makes the US stereotype what it is, what it has been since any of us have been alive.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 31, 2020, 02:42:26 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 31, 2020, 01:14:47 PM
Aye it's not peer reviewed but it doesn't take a genius to realise holding a rally in the middle of a pandemic is lunacy. 100,000 cases yesterday. World record for cases in a day. He's a nutter.
A nutter? No, you dislike him. It's not quite the same thing.
Anyone who holds a rally ain't right in the head, hence the term nutter. Can go with nutjob if you prefer.
Hunter Biden, Ukraine nepotism, corruption on epic levels, brown envelopes..incredible how the most blatant example of political corruption in years, that would have destroyed any other candidate's chances for even running, has been swept under the carpet, by a completely compliant public, media and big tech companies like FB, Google and Twitter.
The swamp obviously hasn't been drained, the propoganda machine has gone into full overdrive and turned the tide back in favour of these completely corrupt scumbags, overwhelming the public with a military levels of bombardment about how unfit Trump is. They'll win the election and there'll be movies made about it in 20 years time about how these criminals smiled and nice talked their way back into power, and how the public were so sheeplike to let it happen. Too easy to blame the public though, they never stood a chance really.
Here is what happens when somebody wants to publish a negative Biden story:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept
I doubt the Biden stories are the only ones being treated this way in the press.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 31, 2020, 05:27:20 PM
Hunter Biden, Ukraine nepotism, corruption on epic levels, brown envelopes..incredible how the most blatant example of political corruption in years, that would have destroyed any other candidate's chances for even running, has been swept under the carpet, by a completely compliant public, media and big tech companies like FB, Google and Twitter.
First off any accusation of nepotism can just be put aside right now with ould Ivanka in tow. Second is there some magic evidence of corruption I haven't seen. Tucker Carlson said they were to receive a flash drive, UPS lost the flash drive. Then Fox got it back. Benny Hill level shit right there. And now Fox are reviewing the "evidence". So surely Fox will release the "evidence". Wont they?
Wtf has Ivanka Trump got to do with a future president's crackhead son being given a job on a board of directors because he has the inside line on everything fron Pops? You need to start reading and listening outside the usual sources. It's complete corruption, whatever you think about Trump, there's no other word for it, but sure I'm wsting my time here..not to worry. Vote him in, who gives a fuck.
We need to get Migglegy Higgins in to the White House to put them all across his knee, give them a good spanking and read them a few lines of Heaney. World peace would surely follow and if not, sure, ha? Didn't he give it his best shot! God bless.
There'd be no protesting, looting or anything with him. Half the country would have fallen into a permanent sleep from him and the wife's poetry readings, the other half committing hari kari. Environment, joblessness and economoy sorted.
Hee makes a lovely tea cosy, you can't deny that.
I have one :laugh:
Make sure to keep it well over the spout. Safety first!
Quote from: Pedrito on October 31, 2020, 08:06:03 PM
Wtf has Ivanka Trump got to do with a future president's crackhead son being given a job on a board of directors because he has the inside line on everything fron Pops? You need to start reading and listening outside the usual sources. It's complete corruption, whatever you think about Trump, there's no other word for it, but sure I'm wsting my time here..not to worry. Vote him in, who gives a fuck.
If there's some evidence please post it and enlighten me. Regarding Ivanka you brought up nepotism. How she get her job.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 31, 2020, 09:23:12 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 31, 2020, 08:06:03 PM
Wtf has Ivanka Trump got to do with a future president's crackhead son being given a job on a board of directors because he has the inside line on everything fron Pops? You need to start reading and listening outside the usual sources. It's complete corruption, whatever you think about Trump, there's no other word for it, but sure I'm wsting my time here..not to worry. Vote him in, who gives a fuck.
If there's some evidence please post it and enlighten me. Regarding Ivanka you brought up nepotism. How she get her job.
Go and google it yourself, it's everywhere.
Ollkiller, I get you don't like Trump and lots of people agree with you. I'm ambivalent myself but you are hardly saying Biden is any good are you? To imagine that shitehawk beinng president of the US is akin to imagining Trump would ever get there. Googling it also won't get you much in the way of the answer you are looking for unfortunately. See my previous post for an explanation as to why. It's a whitewash where Biden is concerned.
The whole Biden corruption thing just comes off as their version of the Trump/Russian collusion. But when both their campaigns are "vote for me because the other lad is a corrupt bollocks" the US is going to be fairly fucked no matter the outcome
Yeah that is pretty much what I was getting at. Just because Trump is no great shakes it doesn't make Biden any less shit unfortunately for the citizens of the US. I personally think the Biden thing has some truth in it but not really what is being said by the Trump support either. It's the media whitewash which concerns me more than the actual truth of the matter.
We had our own version here today with RTE not reporting on the Varadkar allegations, but reporting on him saying it's slander.
Fine Gael became master of PR about 10 or qw years ago when they brought in Ireland's top PR group to handle everythjng they do. It's the reason Varadkar was ever even Taoiseach in the first place..anyone thinking that him coming out on the day gay marriage was voted in must be as naive as a 2 year old. They also kept Kenny under major wraps, there was a long time he went missing completely from public life altogether and even in the Dáil he kept things succint because he wss an absolute liability previous to that. So yeah, the PR thing has gone to epic levels of fuckery even on ouf small country level. Biden as bent as a 4 pound note and the entire mainstream is in on it..incredible really.
Yeah it is nuts the way the entire mainstream media seems to be in on it with Biden, when to my eyes Trump hasn't been any shitter than O'Bama was previous to him and that is even with a democratic majority congress against him for the last 2 years. Did you read that article I threw up there with the fella resigning from his own media outlet because he was censored from writing an anti Biden article? Imagine how many don't come out. As for Varadkar, fuck him.
Donald is bang on the money about being against big tech as I see it, to bring the thread round to it's original premise. Looking at FB removing an interview with Mike Yeadon because it contained "false content" when nothing of the sort happened. These cunts are locking down everything outside of the official narrative right before our eyes and no matter which side of any debate we all fall on, it is being carefully curated for us all to only see it one way. In the simple way of it being a giant fuck you to those particular big social media giants I'd like to see him win. I do however concede that going for anybody in a protest vote is exactly how Biden will win and be careful of the wolf we are letting in the door while protesting against the status quo
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 29, 2020, 07:24:29 AM
I think there may be a small element who will vote for him because of all the memes, theatre and comedy he provides. Young f'las who don't care about or understand policy, or as a middle finger to the woke crowd.
Hmm...not sure about this. I think in fact that many of the woke people you mention there ARE young f'las. I'd also say many of them do care about policy, and how their own future will be impacted in terms of education, employment, climate change, etc. Trump has made a balls of handling the pandemic which has affected employment, doesn't believe in climate change, is critical of the BLM movement...these are things I'd wager a lot of young people do care very much about. And polls are saying that young voters are showing up in unprecedented numbers this week.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 31, 2020, 09:49:42 PM
Ollkiller, I get you don't like Trump and lots of people agree with you. I'm ambivalent myself but you are hardly saying Biden is any good are you? To imagine that shitehawk beinng president of the US is akin to imagining Trump would ever get there. Googling it also won't get you much in the way of the answer you are looking for unfortunately. See my previous post for an explanation as to why. It's a whitewash where Biden is concerned.
I've consistently said Biden is a terrible candidate. But definitely better than Trump. As regards the Hunter Biden thing. Meh. If there's evidence would Fox have released it. You betcha, they have the flash drive but won't release anything. Says it all really. Still will be close id day Tueaday night. Some saying Biden will take Florida but if he gets the rust belt hes home.
Yeah, there'd be nothing at all surprising from anyone in the political class being neck deep in corruption and shady financial dealings, so Hunter could well be just that. But when you look into the details of that computer story, there are more things that don't add up in it than your average anal probe alien abduction tale.
So they're quashing reporting onallegations that aren't true...yeah that adds up.
https://youtu.be/CYyn_XGAsCs
Take a moment to exit the echo chamber and listen to this guy who is currently being pursued by the Brazilian govt and Bolsonaro in a gianr legal case, gay, massive Bernie Sanders supporter, as left as they come, was basically on the run for his work with Edward Snowden, Julian Assange etc. He resigns this week for being prevented from reporting on Biden. We all know the Trump stuff, why can't a proper journalist report on Joe Biden without being silenced. Well worth a listen.
The Greenwald/Intercept story is a tangent to whether or not there are striking oddities about the Hunter Biden laptop/email story, which is all I was saying. Greenwald is definitely an interesting character, but he's not "as left as they come" at all, notably since Julian Assange and wikileaks are much more a fetish of the right and have been for a long time now. He's something better/worse ( depending on your perspective) than left or right; someone who at least appears to be as journalistically objective as possible. A question is whether or not it is appropriate or objective to publish perspectives on things before their factual basis can be fully, fully established...and the problem with that criterion is that it is more and more difficult to do, since there is more fakery, and of a more sophisticated kind, than ever before. To break that down, it is more difficult than ever, when reporting a particular angle in the interests of transparency and honest-to-goodness genuine journalism, to know whether or not you're actually playing along with a trap-game that someone planned for you, or someone like you, to participate in. That's what a "useful idiot" is, in the original sense. So, what do you do? How do you make editorial calls in that kind of climate? How was this election ever going to be anything other than an absolute chaotic blur of epistemic uncertainty??
Some of the holes in the laptop story are covered in this NBC piece below (yes, NBC obviously leans heavily democrat). I haven't read Greenwald's material on it all yet, I'll get around to it at some point.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/here-s-what-happened-when-nbc-news-tried-report-alleged-n1245533
Quote from: Pedrito on October 31, 2020, 10:34:51 PM
Fine Gael became master of PR about 10 or qw years ago when they brought in Ireland's top PR group to handle everythjng they do. It's the reason Varadkar was ever even Taoiseach in the first place..anyone thinking that him coming out on the day gay marriage was voted in must be as naive as a 2 year old. They also kept Kenny under major wraps, there was a long time he went missing completely from public life altogether and even in the Dáil he kept things succint because he wss an absolute liability previous to that. So yeah, the PR thing has gone to epic levels of fuckery even on ouf small country level. Biden as bent as a 4 pound note and the entire mainstream is in on it..incredible really.
Well spotted about FG. While all the major parties employ PR firms, Fine Gael have become the masters at pr in recent years. It will be interesting to see how this thing with Leo plays out.
I think even Mary Lou wants it to all blow over despite being suitably outraged about it.
Businesses in America batten down the hatches in anticipation of ♥️Big Donnie's win.
https://youtu.be/O87d2lmuU0I
In all seriousness though. If ♥️Big Donnie were to win I feel that this ANTIFA and Burn Loot Murder plague won't be lasting much longer.
The Economist are giving Don a 4% chance of victory. I'm not confident, it's highly likely that auld Joe will be in tomorrow morning.
T'would be some laugh if he isn't though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 03, 2020, 10:23:22 AM
The Economist are giving Don a 4% chance of victory. I'm not confident, it's highly likely that auld Joe will be in tomorrow morning.
T'would be some laugh if he isn't though.
The predictions worked out well for evil Hillary last time alright.. :laugh:
Should be a good few days shenanigans ahead.
♥️Big Donnie all the way... 🇮🇪☘️🇺🇲
The problem is the huge early vote turn out was a bad sign for him. Is there enough closet Donald voters this time to swing it for him.? It does not seem so- most either love or hate Donald at this stage,.
He is likely going to lose some of the key states this time around
If he does lose, he and his supporters can always console themselves it was a fix, that poor Donald never really had a chance.
Unfortunately the old Corona debacle lost ♥️Big Donnie and fair few voters. But fuck them, he's still gonna win by a landslide. :abbath:
Yeah the handling of the pandemic lost him a lot of votes along the way...the high turnout points to him not winning but all depends on 5 states - Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida...potential for Biden to get the highest popular vote ever and still lose the electoral college...in for a mad week regardless.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 03, 2020, 12:53:03 PM
Unfortunately the old Corona debacle lost ♥️Big Donnie and fair few voters. But fuck them, he's still gonna win by a landslide. :abbath:
Only has himself to blame after his inept response to the pandemic. Won't be a landslide but as butcher said will come down to a few states.
Please please more of this. I beg of you Lord Satan... :abbath:
https://youtu.be/wDYNVH0U3cs
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 03, 2020, 01:33:20 PM
Please please more of this. I beg of you Lord Satan... :abbath:
https://youtu.be/wDYNVH0U3cs
State of them.
Big Tech struck back big time tonight. Bitchute's been taken out.
https://twitter.com/bitchute/status/1323741461972594688
See the world the way THEY want you to see it.
Edit: it's back
Looking like another 4 years.
Hilarious. I knew it would happen.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on November 03, 2020, 10:01:20 PM
Big Tech struck back big time tonight. Bitchute's been taken out.
https://twitter.com/bitchute/status/1323741461972594688
Disgraceful carry on. It's not their internet. These companies need to be held accountable for their actions.
Quote from: hellfire on November 04, 2020, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on November 03, 2020, 10:01:20 PM
Big Tech struck back big time tonight. Bitchute's been taken out.
https://twitter.com/bitchute/status/1323741461972594688
Disgraceful carry on. It's not their internet. These companies need to be held accountable for their actions.
Who did what?
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 03:04:13 AM
Looking like another 4 years.
Michigan and Wisconsin back in play. If he gets those and flips Nevada Biden is in. Thought it was over at 3am. Not now.
Quality stuff. Bring the shit show.
Looking very much like Biden now.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 03:04:13 AM
Looking like another 4 years.
Michigan and Wisconsin back in play.
What happened there? Postal votes? Still very close.
Quote from: Emphyrio on November 04, 2020, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 03:04:13 AM
Looking like another 4 years.
Michigan and Wisconsin back in play.
What happened there? Postal votes? Still very close.
Predominately mail in ballots left and in large suburban areas have the Biden comeback.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on November 04, 2020, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 03:04:13 AM
Looking like another 4 years.
Michigan and Wisconsin back in play.
What happened there? Postal votes? Still very close.
Predominately mail in ballots left and in large suburban areas have the Biden comeback. Biden up 11000 in Wisconsin and slighty down in Michigan but has crawled back a bit deficit and might overtake.
Biden currently leading Pennsylvania in absentee ballots 78 to 21. And with that Pennsylvania is back in play. That was unthinkable a few hours ago.
So it's looking like Biden will get over the line, but Democrats will be disappointed they are not going to control the senate.
Donald will concede defeat graciously :laugh:
If Biden wins it'll be by the skin of his teeth, and considering the polls were saying Trump was for getting raped on election day.
Whatever way it ends up it's safe to say those polls aren't really worth a shite in predicting outcomes.
Doesn't help that the media is biased as fuck and cherry picks the opinion polls in the lead up. It was the same last time.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 04, 2020, 02:57:55 PM
Doesn't help that the media is biased as fuck and cherry picks the opinion polls in the lead up. It was the same last time.
Aye, but in classic the Oracle from the Matrix style, we have to wonder what effect the polls themselves have; tbh, I think Democrat and Liberal over-confidence and condescension has played a big role here, and skewing opinion polls plays its part in that.
Ollkiller, where you following the results? I'd have thought the NYT would have been frothing at the mouth to declare any blue advances, but I don't seem yet to be seeing what you're seeing.
I'm following it along here and it's as convoluted as fuck, whoever wins. So far it looks like no-one has a clue anyway.
Edit: I will say it looks extremely fishy that all the newly counted ballots are for Biden. Looks, not saying is, but certainly gives Trump ammo for calling fix.
If they both lose can we send them Varadkar?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 04, 2020, 03:00:36 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 04, 2020, 02:57:55 PM
Doesn't help that the media is biased as fuck and cherry picks the opinion polls in the lead up. It was the same last time.
Aye, but in classic the Oracle from the Matrix style, we have to wonder what effect the polls themselves have; tbh, I think Democrat and Liberal over-confidence and condescension has played a big role here, and skewing opinion polls plays its part in that.
Ollkiller, where you following the results? I'd have thought the NYT would have been frothing at the mouth to declare any blue advances, but I don't seem yet to be seeing what you're seeing.
CNN. Amazing breakdown of the electoral counties in each state. I've checked our fox, the hill and abc news but CNN analysis I found the best to see where votes are going to come from.
Quote from: The Butcher on November 03, 2020, 12:59:47 PM
Yeah the handling of the pandemic lost him a lot of votes along the way...the high turnout points to him not winning but all depends on 5 states - Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida...potential for Biden to get the highest popular vote ever and still lose the electoral college...in for a mad week regardless.
I thought the CNN exit poll showing a 50/50 split in the handling of the pandemic meant this was going to be a tighter race. It still boiled down to the above states. Florida showed that the higher turnout didn't actually mean a "Blue wave", "biden landslide" nonsense we saw from poll after poll...which had double the leads of Clinton and still got it wrong. Biden might not even need PA with AZ,MI,WI and NV in his hands now.
GOP keeps the senate, Biden won't get much done with that, lame duck scenario. The tight win for Biden (unless something magical happens now) might cause problems, esp if Trump does not play ball.
How inspiring the democrats have been by picking a man who will be 78 when sworn in. Listened to him on the campaign trail...inane stories, no policies...just "I'm not Trump" statements. A very poor election. Demographics in the US show certain sections of republican voters getting pushed aside and swamped out...for the democrats they don't really need to build up a candidate to tackle the reasons why Trump got voted in in the first place which they could have done in the past 4 years..you could argue even since Obama...they just need to wait..no heavy lifting needed, let the GOP make the changes required. Woeful.
All the states that were battleground that went red earlier on counted mail in first. So Biden way ahead but Trump overtook with the election day ballot. The last few we see now are all mail in ballots. Every election day vote has already been counted. So we're seeing the reverse of the earlier states.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 04, 2020, 03:34:47 PM
If they both lose can we send them Varadkar?
We could probably send them the entire grand coalition and all of the opposition parties and still end up in shit, given a couple of years. Would still send them though.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 04, 2020, 03:20:35 PM
I'm following it along here and it's as convoluted as fuck, whoever wins. So far it looks like no-one has a clue anyway.
Edit: I will say it looks extremely fishy that all the newly counted ballots are for Biden. Looks, not saying is, but certainly gives Trump ammo for calling fix.
It only gives him ammo in a superficial sense really, I don't think there's anything fishy about it.
This is not a normal election, with the pandemic. It makes sense that people would be opting for the postal vote more than usual, to avoid crowds. Unfortunately it seems the pandemic in general has become a partisan issue among voters, one which seems to skew more towards Trump voters being less likely to be as concerned with precautions.
That's how it appears to me anyway. I spose that's still ammo, but it wouldn't be the first election that things have changed as the counts progressed, not by a long shot. It's close as fuck at the moment though. Main thing is it's not done yet.
John King is back presenting on CNN doing the map thing. He's brilliant at his job.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
John King is back presenting on CNN doing the map thing. He's brilliant at his job.
I reckon John King went home last night after his shift and just screamed into his pillow before coming back in now.
Also - is there a very small chance Trump keeps his lead in PA and somehow nabs AZ or NV??
Quote from: The Butcher on November 04, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
Also - is there a very small chance Trump keeps his lead in PA and somehow nabs AZ or NV??
Nevada has a lot of Clark county votes to some in, which Las Vegas is a part of. Leans heavy democrat so Biden should be over the line there. PA defo could stay Trump. Probably will. But Biden doesn't need it.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on November 04, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 04, 2020, 03:20:35 PM
I'm following it along here and it's as convoluted as fuck, whoever wins. So far it looks like no-one has a clue anyway.
Edit: I will say it looks extremely fishy that all the newly counted ballots are for Biden. Looks, not saying is, but certainly gives Trump ammo for calling fix.
It only gives him ammo in a superficial sense really, I don't think there's anything fishy about it.
This is not a normal election, with the pandemic. It makes sense that people would be opting for the postal vote more than usual, to avoid crowds. Unfortunately it seems the pandemic in general has become a partisan issue among voters, one which seems to skew more towards Trump voters being less likely to be as concerned with precautions.
That's how it appears to me anyway. I spose that's still ammo, but it wouldn't be the first election that things have changed as the counts progressed, not by a long shot. It's close as fuck at the moment though. Main thing is it's not done yet.
Yeah that's true. Was only reminded a few minutes ago about GW Bush's win after the mail-in count and the controversy it generated at the time. It does seem that the main battle lines have been drawn along the covid response for better or worse for each candidate. Trump has surely lost some older supporters for his plans to open up, but I'd be surprised if Biden hadn't lost a good few young and carefree voters for his plans to continue the shutdowns. Biden is a real Hobson's choice for democrat voters though. He will only get in because Trump is so reviled. Very poor choice for US president, although the same argument can be levelled at Trump I guess and I also doubt he would be complaining if the late counts were going his way.
Have to say personally if it was this country, I wouldn't trust posting in my vote in a million years. Not that the evidence of shenanigans is actually there but the potential for it would put me off big time.
How long do we all reckon before this is done and dusted?
Quote from: The Butcher on November 04, 2020, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
John King is back presenting on CNN doing the map thing. He's brilliant at his job.
I reckon John King went home last night after his shift and just screamed into his pillow before coming back in now.
Lol. I don't think the pillow got off that lightly.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 04, 2020, 04:38:21 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on November 04, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 04, 2020, 03:20:35 PM
How long do we all reckon before this is done and dusted?
Some states could be counting till Friday but I'd say by the end of today you'll have enough counted to say who'll win.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
John King is back presenting on CNN doing the map thing. He's brilliant at his job.
"Just let these people do their job and count the votes... We should be skeptical of what any campaign says right now."
Okay, this King fella has my vote. Nice one man, will follow on CNN so.
"They are finding Biden votes all over the place — in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So bad for our Country!"
One of the latest Trump tweets.
(https://payload.cargocollective.com/1/4/155341/12475715/Trump-Pram-Website_800.png)
Ya it's a big conspiracy that mail in votes being counted now favour Biden.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
John King is back presenting on CNN doing the map thing. He's brilliant at his job.
I can't be the only person here that for a split second picture our own top drummer man Johnny King presenting the map thing on CNN. That would be incredible television.
"Jayz lads I'll tell ya wha.. this is some Rock n Roll show"
So mail votes, which were always likely to favour Biden, are part of a conspiracy to deny Donald re- election. I'm sure the republican leaning supreme court will uncover this grand conspiracy and vindicate Donald.
Trumps supporters remind me of those remoaners who could not accept the Brexit vote
If Biden gets in no way is Trump gonna go without a big fuss about it.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on November 04, 2020, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
John King is back presenting on CNN doing the map thing. He's brilliant at his job.
I can't be the only person here that for a split second picture our own top drummer man Johnny King presenting the map thing on CNN. That would be incredible television.
"Jayz lads I'll tell ya wha.. this is some Rock n Roll show"
This I would pay to watch.
Be pretty funny if he still won but it is looking increasingly unlikely. How much is the republican-led senate likely to hamper Biden's policies going forward? Will it be the case that he wins but can get fuck all done?
I guess it makes sense that the mail votes would favour Biden but the landslide of them is something to behold. Trump's twitter page is also something to behold. I wonder also what significance there is in Trump getting Coney-Barrett into the supreme court when he did. I don't give a lot of time reading too deep into the machinations of US politics but some of ye lads here might be able to shed some light on some of that.
It's entertaining at least.
#makejohnnykingagain
Been on CNN allday as well.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 04, 2020, 06:51:59 PM
Be pretty funny if he still won but it is looking increasingly unlikely. How much is the republican-led senate likely to hamper Biden's policies going forward? Will it be the case that he wins but can get fuck all done?
I guess it makes sense that the mail votes would favour Biden but the landslide of them is something to behold. Trump's twitter page is also something to behold. I wonder also what significance there is in Trump getting Coney-Barrett into the supreme court when he did. I don't give a lot of time reading too deep into the machinations of US politics but some of ye lads here might be able to shed some light on some of that.
It's entertaining at least.
Yes. She was rushed in because Mitch thought the Democrats were going to take over the senate. As you say Biden won't be able to get a lot done. They'll be glad to win of course, but must be disappointed that it was so close rather the landslide polls had suggested. I have to admit i was wrong, i thought the majority of Trump supporters would not be shy about letting it be known they were for Donnie, but it appears in fact that many were
It's an election. It's always fairly close and whatever happens a Republican will be back in another few years, then a democrat, then a republican. This idea that people were going to swing dramatically in the space of 4 years of absolute pie in the sky stuff and shows a complete lack of understanding of how politics works, how people vote, but sure that doesn't keep us all glued to websites and news channels constantly. Yes some states swung, many didn't. There's no landslide taking place.
Trump was a total landmine to the system. They've done literally everything now, thrown all their efforts behind shutting down the dissent and the public outrage that brought him in in the first place. If I was truly being cynical I would wonder if a huge amount of the social unrest that occurred in the last year wasn't 'orchestrated' to a degree to turn voters' attentions away from the very issues that led them to voting Trump in the first place. So, after 4 years, it's back to square one again. The same regime, the same ideas, the same issues. Are we going to see another Trump figure emerge from the woodwork in 4 years time once people realise these things? I certainly wouldn't rule it out.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 04, 2020, 09:29:34 PM
It's an election. It's always fairly close and whatever happens a Republican will be back in another few years, then a democrat, then a republican. This idea that people were going to swing dramatically in the space of 4 years of absolute pie in the sky stuff and shows a complete lack of understanding of how politics works, how people vote, but sure that doesn't keep us all glued to websites and news channels constantly. Yes some states swung, many didn't. There's no landslide taking place.
Trump was a total landmine to the system. They've done literally everything now, thrown all their efforts behind shutting down the dissent and the public outrage that brought him in in the first place. If I was truly being cynical I would wonder if a huge amount of the social unrest that occurred in the last year wasn't 'orchestrated' to a degree to turn voters' attentions away from the very issues that led them to voting Trump in the first place. So, after 4 years, it's back to square one again. The same regime, the same ideas, the same issues. Are we going to see another Trump figure emerge from the woodwork in 4 years time once people realise these things? I certainly wouldn't rule it out. . Honestly h
Had often thought that the social unrest was curated somewhat but had always considered it to be to the benefit of one side or the other but hadn't looked at it as a pure distraction. Good spot.
First wee manifest ripples of potential result protest, stemming from Trump's (intentionally, can I go that far?) misleading communication regarding late counting of ballots:
https://twitter.com/annalise_frank/status/1324079313176678402
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 04, 2020, 10:17:42 PM
First wee manifest ripples of potential result protest, stemming from Trump's (intentionally, can I go that far?) misleading communication regarding late counting of ballots:
https://twitter.com/annalise_frank/status/1324079313176678402
This beauty from the responses: https://twitter.com/ChadLivengood/status/1324086542432874497/photo/1
Whatever the outcome, one of the fuckers was going to contest it.
Can we all imagine the sort of Cambridge Analytica shit that has been going on in the run up to this election, and also imagine how much of that has been augmented reality style shit where real life has been groomed by whichever side of the US elections outbid which influencers through whichever aggregator? Sick and frightening, and to think that the fact we are all connected means that the ripples spread to all corners of the world with immediate effect makes it even sicker and even more frightening.
Why do Americans care so much about who is president?
Is it like this in other countries when there is an election?
Quote from: blessed1 on November 04, 2020, 10:29:52 PM
Why do Americans care so much about who is president?
Is it like this in other countries when there is an election?
Yeah it is.
So, as it stands, if Biden really does already have Arizona, and if Alaska does go to Trump - as presumed, then Trump needs to win all remaining four other states (Pennsylvania, Nevada, North Carolina, Georgia) to win. Biden would win with any one of them, with Nevada or Pennsylvania probably the most likely bets, but Trump's lead in Georgia apparently narrowing...presumably because of fraud :P :abbath:
The president, calling for vote counts to be stopped, under absolutely no grounds. And the protesters outside shouting "stop counting votes!". Dickheads. Wondering why he isn't getting any mail in ballot votes and calling it suspicious after he told people NOT to use them in the previous weeks. He's like a big overgrown child. ::)
It'll be a sad day seeing him go from the White House. He brought a level of class, decorum and a sense of reassurance to American politics which we won't see again for a long time.
Once he's out, presuming at this stage that that's what's going to happen, I predict the Republican party will drop him like a hot potato.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 05, 2020, 07:50:07 AM
It'll be a sad day seeing him go from the White House. He brought a level of class, decorum and a sense of reassurance to American politics which we won't see again for a long time.
Amen brother....
But ♥️Big Donnie ain't going nowhere.
https://youtu.be/VcjzHMhBtf0
The man. The legend.....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/04/trumpism-us-presidential-election
If the Republicans had any smarts(which they don't) they'd have a young, intelligent, leaning towards centre, female candidate lined up for the next election. This return to the status quo could easily die on it's arse after 4 years, especially with Biden at the helm and unless he revolutionises the economy amongst other issues, things won't be settling down anytime soon.
The Trump hysteria painted over all the cracks and took the attention away from why he was elected in the first place, his hubris leading to his downfall. Even so, and taking into account what a polarising figure he was, and all the spew that was directed at him, he still comes away with a close fought election loss, where most experts were talking him taking an awful hit.
Ivanka Trump the first female president of the United States? I wonder what odds I'd get on that.
So close that it's still not over!
G'wan ♥️Big Donnie you can do it! :abbath:
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As Maricopa County [Arizona] released the results from 140,000 more ballots on Wednesday night and Thursday morning, president Donald Trump received almost the exact share he would need to charge back to win Arizona's 11 electoral votes and potentially reelection.
Trump won the batches of ballots from Maricopa County counted Wednesday and early Thursday by a roughly 57-40 margin over former vice president Joe Biden.
Those votes — likely early ballots sent to the county on Monday and Tuesday — narrowed Biden's lead over Trump in Arizona to 68,000 votes, when his lead had been more than 90,000 votes earlier Wednesday.
Paul Bentz, a Republican pollster with the consulting firm HighGround, said Trump needs to win 57.6% of the 470,000 votes that the Arizona Republic estimates remain to be counted.
"That's almost exactly what he got in the first batch," Bentz said. "He could do it."
At the very least, this should shut the fucker up about stopping the count! :laugh:
Some rollercoaster this election.
For any junkies, below link is for a website that allows you to easily switch between 4 Us Channels ->
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Down to 18000 votes in Georgia. Trump crawled back a bit in Arizona but I think they fat lady has already done the encore.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 04, 2020, 09:29:34 PM
It's an election. It's always fairly close and whatever happens a Republican will be back in another few years, then a democrat, then a republican. This idea that people were going to swing dramatically in the space of 4 years of absolute pie in the sky stuff and shows a complete lack of understanding of how politics works, how people vote, but sure that doesn't keep us all glued to websites and news channels constantly. Yes some states swung, many didn't. There's no landslide taking place.
Trump was a total landmine to the system. They've done literally everything now, thrown all their efforts behind shutting down the dissent and the public outrage that brought him in in the first place. If I was truly being cynical I would wonder if a huge amount of the social unrest that occurred in the last year wasn't 'orchestrated' to a degree to turn voters' attentions away from the very issues that led them to voting Trump in the first place. So, after 4 years, it's back to square one again. The same regime, the same ideas, the same issues. Are we going to see another Trump figure emerge from the woodwork in 4 years time once people realise these things? I certainly wouldn't rule it out.
That's not quite true, some elections have not been close over the years. The idea that there is no alternative in America is an old one. These lads sends their kids to the same school afterall.
What surprised me was Trump fostered a culture that being open about you how you feel was ok, indeed the more outlandish the better. So i had not expected his supporters would be shy in letting it be known who they were voting for. Trumps greatest tricks were getting the religious nut jobs to support him, even though they know he isn't one of them. Also, that he is standing up for blue collar workers against the elite.. I don't think we will see him or his like back in 4 years. The Republicans would do well to field a Candace Owens type, but she would have to be a white version of her. Maybe i'm wrong though and all republicans voters are ready to endorse a black conservative!
Jaysus she's even more hated than Trump! I, of course, love her deeply. Black conservatives drive the left haywire. Does not compute!
It'd be great to see Biden -- if he gets in -- become something of a left-to-center leading president in how he operates. In plain terms, I think that's really what is needed if at all possible at this stage. For the far left and the far right to fuck off back to the fringes and a reset to occur to the center before things can get any better.
I don't follow US politics closely though so I'm none the wiser if Biden as president can or will help get to there.
Quote from: Cailleach on November 05, 2020, 12:43:44 PM
What surprised me was Trump fostered a culture that being open about you how you feel was ok, indeed the more outlandish the better. So i had not expected his supporters would be shy in letting be known who they were voting for.
Is this not forgetting again that a large part of his votership are not his supporters; they're just repulsed by the perception they have of the Democratic party. Those latter voters, the clinchers, would be more likely to be shy. The people who maybe feel "left" but don't at all identify with modern "liberals".
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Jaysus she's even more hated than Trump! I, of course, love her deeply. Black conservatives drive the left haywire. Does not compute!
Well, some of Trump's voters should love her then :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
Quote from: Cailleach on November 05, 2020, 12:43:44 PM
What surprised me was Trump fostered a culture that being open about you how you feel was ok, indeed the more outlandish the better. So i had not expected his supporters would be shy in letting be known who they were voting for.
Is this not forgetting again that a large part of his votership are not his supporters; they're just repulsed by the perception they have of the Democratic party. Those latter voters, the clinchers, would be more likely to be shy. The people who maybe feel "left" but don't at all identify with modern "liberals".
You could be right. As Borat asked his two hosts: " Which is more dangerous the virus or the Democrats"
Modern 'liberals' of course have nothing to do with liberalism. They are the exact opposite.
I think the religious nut thing is way overplayed and it's what's so tiresome about the whole Borat schtick, even the likes of Louis Theroux. That side of America exists but of the millions upon millions of voters who voted Trump it's not really the deciding factor. It's true that many Americans go to church or are involved in 'churches' but I'd almost compare it to the GAA in this country..a way for people to meet and create community. The religious element exists but the levels of fanaticism are greatly exaggerated.
It's no surprise that the centre of the country is more traditional, concerned with less government. The rural areas, people who own land, a rural way of life where things like hunting are as normal as going for a McDonalds in the big city. Many of the people in the mid part of the US come from German backgrounds. Their great great whatevers fled religious persecution back in old Europe so there are deep historical reasons for wanting a certain element of status quo and being suspiscious of a lot of what has come out of Washington in the past. Of course the left drum up this image of the bible bashing, racist, hick, amd then we wonder why they have a certain siege mentality to them. Think of London calling us Paddy, cabbage eating, molested by priest, inbred, freckled, tinkers and it might start to sink in the arrogance of the supposedly educated, liberal classes.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 05, 2020, 04:39:27 PM
I think the religious nut thing is way overplayed and it's what's so tiresome about the whole Borat schtick, even the likes of Louis Theroux. That side of America exists but of the millions upon millions of voters who voted Trump it's not really the deciding factor. It's true that many Americans go to church or are involved in 'churches' but I'd almost compare it to the GAA in this country..a way for people to meet and create community. The religious element exists but the levels of fanaticism are greatly exaggerated.
Over a fifth of Americans attend church services at least once a week. That's enormous for a western nation. In the UK, all denominations combined, it's less than a tenth of the population. Over 20% believe abortion should be illegal in
all circumstances. That gives you a pretty good idea of how the Democratic party are viewed by an extremely large and absolutely rock solid anti-Democrat voting base. Trump played to that base endlessly, with anti-abortion rhetoric, pro-zionist rhetoric, and all the rest that you already know. If one candidate can make himself seem the pro-God guy and the opponent the harbinger of the anti-christ, there's 20% of the electorate in his pocket right there.
This is getting shared around by means of contrast and comparison of political decorum: McCain's concession speech from 2008.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1034124130235236354
After the shite and abuse thst has been thrown for 4 years? Attempted impeachment for looking into very likely corruption. And they're expecting decorum? Give us a rest. The absolute hypocrisy of it all.
I think they're expecting something at least slightly more conscious of long-established procedure than "STOP THE COUNT!"
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
I think they're expecting something at least slightly more conscious of long-established procedure than "STOP THE COUNT!"
Like "STOP THE FRAUD!" or something along those lines
Aye stop the count. If you stopped it now though Biden wins. Oh sorry stop in count in Pennsylvania and keep going elsewhere.
Something fishy going on here
https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324216584219623424?s=21
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 08:08:38 PM
Something fishy going on here
https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324216584219623424?s=21
Already debunked. His grandson has the same name and that's who voted.
So Georgia. Trump 12000 ahead. 47000 votes remaining and nearly all in democratic areas. So Biden for Georgia.
Pennsylvania Trump 110k ahead. 350k left. And most in Democratic areas so Biden will probably take that as well. Arizona and Nevada will hold for Biden so tis over.
Dis you see Rudt Giuliani and Eric Trumps press conference yesterday. Rudy was fucking mental and I laughed me hole off when Eric went "How can anyone be 400k votes ahead and lose". You absolute gowl of a lad.
Have you a link for the debunk? That guy is just a conservative YouTube but it seemed compelling after Tim Poole looked into it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 08:38:32 PM
Have you a link for the debunk? That guy is just a conservative YouTube but it seemed compelling after Tim Poole looked into it.
Actually reading now it's someone with the same name that lives in the area. Not sure about the veracity of the website with the link but the article has the response from the Secretary of state of Michigan explains how it didn't happen or if it did how the vote wouldn't be tallied.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clickondetroit.com/news/2020/11/05/did-a-dead-118-year-old-man-vote-absentee-in-michigan-state-says-no/%3foutputType=amp
Yeah I've heard a few arguments like that but the explanations seem quite flimsy. Yer man 'Fleccas' has two other examples on his Twitter. It might well be nothing, but who knows?
The bigger picture is that if there is no clean, decisive victory, it's going to put future elections in jeopardy.
My buddies in Serbia find it gas that during the 90's the Americans were (probably rightly) accusing Milosovic of electoral fraud, then (wrongly) convinced the world that Bosnian Muslims and Albanian organ harvesters were 'freedom fighters' and the Serbs were like the devils own legion and are now looking like complete cunts in front of the entire world.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 08:08:38 PM
Something fishy going on here
https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324216584219623424?s=21
The inclusive party. So inclusive, even the dead are welcome.
I saw a few names popping up like this too.
Donna Brydges, 119 years old.
Janice Winfrey, 118 years old.
Team Trump were making the same claims in 2016. It didn't prevent him winning then, and it's not going to help him lose now.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 09:06:08 PM
The bigger picture is that if there is no clean, decisive victory, it's going to put future elections in jeopardy.
Aye it wouldn't be good for the country. Bidens at 253 now. If (and probably will) he gets Pennsylvania thats 20 votes, Georgia 16, Arizona 11 and Nevada 6 that gives a total of 306 and thats pretty clear cut. And two above the 304 total Trump got in 2016. Which would defo annoy the lad.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Team Trump were making the same claims in 2016. It didn't prevent him winning then, and it's not going to help him lose now.
You'd be happy with Father Fortune in ahead of Trump!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 09:29:04 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Team Trump were making the same claims in 2016. It didn't prevent him winning then, and it's not going to help him lose now.
You'd be happy with Father Fortune in ahead of Trump!
:laugh:
If that's a reference to what I think it's a reference to... jaysus lad, haha!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 09:29:04 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Team Trump were making the same claims in 2016. It didn't prevent him winning then, and it's not going to help him lose now.
You'd be happy with Father Fortune in ahead of Trump!
:laugh:
If that's a reference to what I think it's a reference to... jaysus lad, haha!
If ever a surname was an oxymoron... :laugh:
Do you think if Ducky was given the option of an evening with Fr Brendan Smyth or four more years of the greatest president in history (that's Trump Chris, not that fanny JFK), would he need to sleep on it?
After that link Nazgul sent, which was Sam Harris showing himself up as one of the most gigantic spas in history talking outrageous, totally stupidly shite (he's normally grand) about Trump, it wouldn't surprise me if he chose drinks and roofies with the big lad.
That's the worst thing about the lack of a decisive victory for Don. The rabid reaction from all the wankers employed as 'journalists' on CNN, the young Turks, Ducky, Ollkiller (I respect you more than before) and particularly Vladimir Chrisymich Ulioerav Vulgaris is lost to what-ifs.
Pity
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
This is getting shared around by means of contrast and comparison of political decorum: McCain's concession speech from 2008.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1034124130235236354
Trump on John McCain: "He's not a war hero, he got caught. I like people who don't get caught."
McCain spent 5 years imprisoned in Vietnam subjected to torture and long lasting disability.
And that's what the piece of shit in office now had to say about him. Kept it up too after McCain's his death.
He was out of order with that, no doubt. Bush and his PR lads were even worse with Kerry, made an absolute show out of him.
Have you had a chance to listen to that podcast you posted again? I am biased to a point but the host shrieks like a harpy. And Harris? I couldn't believe my ears with some of the bullshit he came out with.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 09:54:14 PM
Do you think if Ducky was given the option of an evening with Fr Brendan Smyth or four more years of the greatest president in history (that's Trump Chris, not that fanny JFK), would he need to sleep on it?
Teddy Roosevelt would like to inform you you're wrong, but only after he beats you up and down the street a few times with a baseball bat, then stuffs you in a garbage can, and rolls it down San Juan Hill.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 10:16:18 PM
He was out of order with that, no doubt. Bush and his PR lads were even worse with Kerry, made an absolute show out of him.
Have you had a chance to listen to that podcast you posted again? I am biased to a point but the host shrieks like a harpy. And Harris? I couldn't believe my ears with some of the bullshit he came out with.
I did. Completely take your point about the ranty nature of it letting down some of the stronger arguments they make. Still agree with the core majority of what they were saying though.
With Trump, it's the consistent lying, the shitty remarks, the seemingly zero lack of interest whatsoever in bringing people together and instead taking every opportunity to cause further divide.
Don't think he's a good president, don't think he sets any good examples for the rest of the world either.
I also don't spend much time thinking about it in my day and pretty much have only been shiteing on about it here. The aul' main forum hasn't been seeing much action recently either.
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 05, 2020, 10:41:30 PM
The aul' main forum hasn't been seeing much action recently either.
Yer just the man to bump this one:
https://forum.metalwarfare.com/index.php?topic=1366.0
:abbath: :abbath:
I wonder where Joe is going to bomb first?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2020, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 05, 2020, 10:41:30 PM
The aul' main forum hasn't been seeing much action recently either.
Yer just the man to bump this one:
https://forum.metalwarfare.com/index.php?topic=1366.0
:abbath: :abbath:
:laugh
EDIT: Actually getting into LOTR coincided with also getting massively into Led Zeppelin at whatever age I was -- at that point they were the only band I ever heard referencing Tolkien...until of course the old metal came into the equation.
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 05, 2020, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2020, 10:16:18 PM
He was out of order with that, no doubt. Bush and his PR lads were even worse with Kerry, made an absolute show out of him.
Have you had a chance to listen to that podcast you posted again? I am biased to a point but the host shrieks like a harpy. And Harris? I couldn't believe my ears with some of the bullshit he came out with.
I did. Completely take your point about the ranty nature of it letting down some of the stronger arguments they make. Still agree with the core majority of what they were saying though.
With Trump, it's the consistent lying, the shitty remarks, the seemingly zero lack of interest whatsoever in bringing people together and instead taking every opportunity to cause further divide.
Don't think he's a good president, don't think he sets any good examples for the rest of the world either.
I also don't spend much time thinking about it in my day and pretty much have only been shiteing on about it here. The aul' main forum hasn't been seeing much action recently either.
Most of what you say about Trump can't really be denied, but he has his positive points too. Good presidents have been thin on the ground in our lifetimes in any case.
I don't think I can take Sam Harris seriously after the 'Hitler is only worse than Trump because of his virtues'. Sounds like a bum after 5 litres of wine! The few lines you've written made more sense than all the apocalyptic shite those two were coming out with (with zero, ZERO evidence for 95% of their shite). They are making, not erasing trump fan boys talking out of their holes like that.
When singled out like that, the line by Harris does sound ridiculous. But to me it seemed like the main point buried in there around that part of the conversation was that Trump doesn't seem to ever come across as having any strong, clearly identifiable values as a leader or person -- aside from benefiting the rich and playing the lead in his own soap opera, and that he'll pander to anybody in order to be "liked" first and foremost -- including his own followers. There never seems to be a bigger picture with him.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 05, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
I wonder where Joe is going to bomb first?
Mar-a-Lago.
I don't know lad, he strikes a chord with millions, dozens of millions, and it can't be written off as religious maniacs or what have you.
I did not support trump in the beginning but he's grown on me. He's flawed, of course, but I think his leadership qualities are underestimated. The problem is that that there is a media war (right are as bad as the left, with a sense of humour Chris and his buddies is the politburo find highly offensive) which leads one down the garden path.
I listened to that podcast to be educated but the result is that I will not listen to Sam Harris again. The Hitler thing was just one of many totally stupid comments, as if he was in the pub.
Fair enough, and despite everything it does fascinate me to wonder why millions voted for him and in greater numbers this time around.
I'm sure Sam Harris would be well dented by that last comment, because to be fair he's one of those people who are seen to generally make a big effort to be as objective as possible in his conversations (most of the time) and promotes open discussion with the end goal to usually...learn something himself or educate others. So he clearly hasn't done his job well on this one for you and probably plenty of others.
Apparently he's going to be speaking in about five minutes time. Trump that is.
"If we count the legal votes, I have won. If we count the illegal votes, I haven't won." :-X
What's so civil about war anyway?
No, more likely, as I said above, GOP are going to drop him as soon as they can, disown him asap after his term ends.
"We were winning in all the locations, by a lot, and the numbers started disappearing, in secret". Imagine the poor scriptwriter getting all the code words in. Secret. Unseen. Steal. Probably him just dictating it to some poor young wan. This speech is off the rocker lads.
I always assumed he was a liar. But now I'm starting to think he might believe this and just be actually crazy?
He's going on about the burst pipe in Georgia that stopped the voting for 4 hours. A lot can happen in 4 hours. No fucking shit, like maybe repairing a burst fucking pipe.
Hopefully he will be decapitated in a bizarre golfing accident in a few months. That's if he can afford to play golf after the IRS gets through with him.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 05, 2020, 11:54:36 PM
"We were winning in all the locations, by a lot, and the numbers started disappearing, in secret". Imagine the poor scriptwriter getting all the code words in. Secret. Unseen. Steal. Probably him just dictating it to some poor young wan. This speech is off the rocker lads.
That poor scriptwriter might just be Alex Jones by the sounds of the stuff he's coming out with here :laugh:
It's Benny Hill stage now. A sane person would concede. Take it like a man. He's now slinging shit at everything. Each new allegation as ridiculous as the last.
That is Donald Trump though, this is who he is, who he has always been, throughout his mandate. Whatever the measure of a man is, Donald is too small to have been allowed on this ride.
He's a 'great' man. No doubt about it. You can read your Kant and Marx (and befuddle yourself in je process) but you'll find that Trump trumps them both.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
That is Donald Trump though, this is who he is, who he has always been, throughout his mandate. Whatever the measure of a man is, Donald is too small to have been allowed on this ride.
Here lad, there wasn't a sign of you Wednesday morning when ♥️Big Donnie had his nose way out in front and then Ollkiller came on at lunch time to let us all know that the cheating had started and Sleepy Joe had got in the lead.
There must be some squelching going on in those boxerpanties of yours these last 40 odd hours....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 06, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
That is Donald Trump though, this is who he is, who he has always been, throughout his mandate. Whatever the measure of a man is, Donald is too small to have been allowed on this ride.
Here lad, there wasn't a sign of you Wednesday morning when ♥️Big Donnie had his nose way out in front and then Ollkiller came on at lunch time to let us all know that the cheating had started and Sleepy Joe had got in the lead.
There must be some squelching going on in those boxerpanties of yours these last 40 odd hours....
I ain't celebrating at Biden winning, so I didn't have anything to say about who was ahead, Trump or him. There's plenty to say about
how Little Big Donnie is losing though; like a spa, a dangerous pathetic spa. If you don't recognize his speech last night for what it really is, that's your journey bro!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 06, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
That is Donald Trump though, this is who he is, who he has always been, throughout his mandate. Whatever the measure of a man is, Donald is too small to have been allowed on this ride.
Here lad, there wasn't a sign of you Wednesday morning when ♥️Big Donnie had his nose way out in front and then Ollkiller came on at lunch time to let us all know that the cheating had started and Sleepy Joe had got in the lead.
There must be some squelching going on in those boxerpanties of yours these last 40 odd hours....
Nixer, is that you?
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 06, 2020, 08:02:13 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 06, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
That is Donald Trump though, this is who he is, who he has always been, throughout his mandate. Whatever the measure of a man is, Donald is too small to have been allowed on this ride.
Here lad, there wasn't a sign of you Wednesday morning when ♥️Big Donnie had his nose way out in front and then Ollkiller came on at lunch time to let us all know that the cheating had started and Sleepy Joe had got in the lead.
There must be some squelching going on in those boxerpanties of yours these last 40 odd hours....
Nixer, is that you?
Sigh!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 08:01:09 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 06, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
That is Donald Trump though, this is who he is, who he has always been, throughout his mandate. Whatever the measure of a man is, Donald is too small to have been allowed on this ride.
Here lad, there wasn't a sign of you Wednesday morning when ♥️Big Donnie had his nose way out in front and then Ollkiller came on at lunch time to let us all know that the cheating had started and Sleepy Joe had got in the lead.
There must be some squelching going on in those boxerpanties of yours these last 40 odd hours....
I ain't celebrating at Biden winning, so I didn't have anything to say about who was ahead, Trump or him. There's plenty to say about how Little Big Donnie is losing though; like a spa, a dangerous pathetic spa. If you don't recognize his speech last night for what it really is, that's your journey bro!
Did you just call me bro? ♥️
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 06, 2020, 08:18:16 AM
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 06, 2020, 08:02:13 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 06, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
That is Donald Trump though, this is who he is, who he has always been, throughout his mandate. Whatever the measure of a man is, Donald is too small to have been allowed on this ride.
Here lad, there wasn't a sign of you Wednesday morning when ♥️Big Donnie had his nose way out in front and then Ollkiller came on at lunch time to let us all know that the cheating had started and Sleepy Joe had got in the lead.
There must be some squelching going on in those boxerpanties of yours these last 40 odd hours....
Nixer, is that you?
Sigh!
Forgive me. I'm fairly new to the board compared to other heads that used to be on the old one. I assume from your response though that you're aware of Nixer and that I'm possibly not the first one to make such comparisons? ;D
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 06, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
That is Donald Trump though, this is who he is, who he has always been, throughout his mandate. Whatever the measure of a man is, Donald is too small to have been allowed on this ride.
Here lad, there wasn't a sign of you Wednesday morning when ♥️Big Donnie had his nose way out in front and then Ollkiller came on at lunch time to let us all know that the cheating had started and Sleepy Joe had got in the lead.
There must be some squelching going on in those boxerpanties of yours these last 40 odd hours....
Lol. I came on at lunch time to update about the LEGAL vote count.
Georgia Biden 463 votes behind with 1% of the voting left. It'll go blue.
Pennsylvania 18000 votes behind with 10% voting left. The 660k lead vanquished and soon to be overtaken.
Arizona Biden 47k ahead. That's done and Nevada 11k ahead. Done.
Anyone here want Biden to win because he is a good candidate for the US presidency?
Remember what happened here this year when most of us tried to get rid of Fine Gael to show them how unhappy we were with how they had been running things? It actually ended up worse than ever and my reckoning is that the protest vote is a dangerous thing.
That is no endorsement of Trump or lack of for Biden, but I find it hard to believe anyone wants to see Biden win over wanting to see Trump lose.
And Nazgûl, we had a lad on here who was even more popular than Nixer before he disappeared into the ether. I didn't mind him but he rubbed a good few up the wrong way.
That roundhouse kick in Bruxelles... :laugh:
Can't believe the reaction that got from all the fannies on here... :laugh:
Ah shite what did I miss?
Re: the Biden question by astfgyl. As I alluded to in another message, if I was over there voting -- going on the two campaigns and characteristics of each candidate alone, Biden is at the very least pushing a message of unity for the country, vowing to represent everyone as best as possible whether they voted him or not. He's able to speak in a way that isn't totally inflammatory and with certain nuance. Rather than the black and white, blantant lying of Trump.
That's a super simplistic way to look at one aspect of it, but with the tiresome and worrying polarization going on in the cultural and political spectrum now, I know I'd rather have somebody in office who isn't actively making that worse..IF I was an American and voting somebody in.
What I really want to know is where will the Biden Plaza service station be, and who'll be selling the burgers at it. Will Tipp get it again?
Out of curiosity, how come there's such a delay in these final states? It's almost like the yanks like the theatre of the final stretch and are deliberately dragging it out. And this is even aside from Trump on about recounts. It's like the build up to wrestlemania.
It's due to covid and the push to have the mail in ballots, which did make it easier for people to vote and they did, then officials have to scan them into machines and that's taking ages in some states to process them all. These states (i think PA) were blocked by GOP to process them before election day (Florida was allowed process them first which is why it looked blue until election day votes were counted and Trump nabbed it in the end). Overseas votes as well.
100% believe Trump would have won if covid didn't happen.
The idea that Biden is trying to unite everyone and be this nice guy president..laughable! After years of mud slinging from the democrat side, every type of dark art being employed by them to paint Trump as the next Adolf Hitler, they succeeded in crippling him and gettihg their boy in. Pure PR now at work, painting JB as some sort of nice old guy who wants to meet everyone in the middle. He comes to tbe Presidency with no real vision, the only vision was 'defeat Trump', so in a way that works in his favour. What do voters expect of him I wonder? Have they even thought that far ahead? Trump came in all guns blazing, saying he had targets to hit and very definite things to change. He was polrising like Mourihno at Utd but he got shit done. I get the feeling JB is going to be a bit of an Ole Solskjaer figure. Brought in to calm things down and fill the gap, but are voters going to be happy with that in the long run?
Yeah, no way Biden unites anything. Anyone other than Trump, that is the message beneath all his confused, tiresome sound bytes. And people lap this shit up. Trump is a mouth, undeniably so, but I find it hard to believe that half the US and most of the world it seems has swallowed this shite. Trump Derangement Syndrome is as real as the air we are currently sucking down.
I'll miss the big lad.
True Biden is not inspiring with zero policy (overall a terrible candidate) but it was Trumps handling of the pandemic along with his idiotic loud mouth that lost him this race despite of his results. Long run for Biden will be retiring in 2022 at nearly 81 years old and leaving Harris to build up as the next candidate..which is a horrible idea I know but this is the democrats we are talking about. I would have preferred Andrew Yang myself if I had to pick but he gained zero traction with what he was saying.
We're facing into a masssive global economic crisis. I seriously don't see Biden lasting more than 4 years. Beating Trump is grand but reality is going to set in very quickly and at least Trump seemed like he knew what he was doing or talked a good fight. Some dithering oul lad trying to keep up with the Chinese, Putin, the economic ctastrophe..no chance.
I never thought I'd agree with Rose McGowan on anything but she makes a great point at the start of this video. Of course the responders afterwards take her up wrong and drivel.out the same, innane, manipulated group think without even realising it, but McGowan hits the nail on the head for me here as to what is happening and what has happened. I would say I miss the low cut skirts she used to wear back in the day....jaysissss
https://youtu.be/Rb4rjnYMTow
Quote from: Pedrito on November 06, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
We're facing into a masssive global economic crisis. I seriously don't see Biden lasting more than 4 years. Beating Trump is grand but reality is going to set in very quickly and at least Trump seemed like he knew what he was doing or talked a good fight. Some dithering oul lad trying to keep up with the Chinese, Putin, the economic ctastrophe..no chance.
Ah now, you can't go on about the PR work by the liberal media whole spouting the propaganda of Biden being too old for the job that the conservative side were desperately pushing.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 06, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
I never thought I'd agree with Rose McGowan on anything but she makes a great point at the start of this video. Of course the responders afterwards take her up wrong and drivel.out the same, innane, manipulated group think without even realising it, but McGowan hits the nail on the head for me here as to what is happening and what has happened.
https://youtu.be/Rb4rjnYMTow
Y'all can skip straight to 3:11 too, since some blahblahblah head is talking before her as well.
Don't see Biden doing more than one term either, but in four years time we might have what resembles a "normal" race. That's about the "best" that can be hoped for at this stage.
Quote from: Emphyrio on November 06, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
Out of curiosity, how come there's such a delay in these final states? It's almost like the yanks like the theatre of the final stretch and are deliberately dragging it out. And this is even aside from Trump on about recounts. It's like the build up to wrestlemania.
When you look at one of the election maps you'll see all states are still counting. Say California are only at 77per cent but due to the trends I guess they can call them. These states are Trump ahead but trending Biden now or are too close to call so they have to keep counting till the end to make call.
I think!
Biden takes lead in pennsylvania. Tonight's trump presser should be even better!!
Quote from: pete on November 06, 2020, 01:53:37 PM
Tonight's trump presser should be even better!!
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 06, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
I never thought I'd agree with Rose McGowan on anything but she makes a great point at the start of this video. Of course the responders afterwards take her up wrong and drivel.out the same, innane, manipulated group think without even realising it, but McGowan hits the nail on the head for me here as to what is happening and what has happened.
https://youtu.be/Rb4rjnYMTow
Y'all can skip straight to 3:11 too, since some blahblahblah head is talking before her as well.
Don't see Biden doing more than one term either, but in four years time we might have what resembles a "normal" race. That's about the "best" that can be hoped for at this stage.
What's normal nowadays? We all seem to be harking back to some vision of these things always having being civil and honest. We want our politicians to lie to us with manners? Is that what we're saying? Is Trump an anomoly or is he the future? Again, the status quo, the old ways of spoofing your way into office have been upheld, but not because people want Biden there, be just about enough don't want Trump there.
Quote from: Trev on November 06, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 06, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
We're facing into a masssive global economic crisis. I seriously don't see Biden lasting more than 4 years. Beating Trump is grand but reality is going to set in very quickly and at least Trump seemed like he knew what he was doing or talked a good fight. Some dithering oul lad trying to keep up with the Chinese, Putin, the economic ctastrophe..no chance.
Ah now, you can't go on about the PR work by the liberal media whole spouting the propaganda of Biden being too old for the job that the conservative side were desperately pushing.
I'm not spouting anything. One look at JB and anyone would ask themselves if he will last. I honestly hope he's a great president and brings world peace. But, being as objective as possible here, trying to drown out all the other noise, I'd be fairly concerned. I have nothing against him, he seems like an alright kinda lad. Is that going to be enough? Is there a plan? A vision? Or are we back to carefully manipulated, keep a lid on everything, status quo politics.
Curious to know if the Trump apologists here (of the soft and strong variety) perceived his performance last night as acceptable or normal or whatever? Because to my mind it was merely a crystallization of what has been clear since the start, which is all the explanation that is needed as to why half the world is swallowing the anti-Trump rhetoric, even when it spills over into unmerited "pro-Trump's opponents rhetoric" (because, yes, Biden is an extremely poor candidate, and many voices on the left are ramping up this angle now, in light of how narrowly he's beating Trump).
Quote"I saw the President's speech last night. It was very hard to watch. The President's allegations of large-scale fraud and theft of the election are just not substantiated. I'm not aware of any significant wrongdoing here."
Republican Senator Pat Toomey in Pennsylvania, the state which is likely to give Biden the victory definitively. Expect a landslide of similar statements from Republicans if Trump maintains last night's type of rhetoric past the moment where he should concede.
Et tu Brute
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
Quote"I saw the President's speech last night. It was very hard to watch. The President's allegations of large-scale fraud and theft of the election are just not substantiated. I'm not aware of any significant wrongdoing here."
Republican Senator Pat Toomey in Pennsylvania, the state which is likely to give Biden the victory definitively. Expect a landslide of similar statements from Republicans if Trump maintains last night's type of rhetoric past the moment where he should concede.
The speech last night was insane alright :laugh: The GOP if clever won't hark back to the Rick Santorum type candidates, they will seek out another Trump like candidate for 2024 knowing it's a path to victory, maybe one more articulate and less of a mouth. If the democrats decide to push VP Harris throughout Bidens reign then you know they are building her for 2024...a mistake in my opinion but we shall see. Demographics over time favour the democrats, it's slowly but surely bringing Texas, Arizona, North Carolina & Georgia into contention, the cities and suburbs are growing and will outnumber the rural vote. The GOP have won the popular vote..what..once in the past 8 elections?
The FED will continue to print money as most central banks will across the globe to stave off a global hit...how long that lasts is anyones guess...heading into an era of negative interest rates and generational mortgages for crammed spaces most likely...a Japanese type future (check out their bank bust in the 90s and subsequent consequences). There is also the automation wave that will hit jobs harder than it will create and western countries need to start preparing now for when that ramps up circa 2025-2030+. A covid world for another year is likely too and the most Biden will try is mandatory masks...paper over the cracks. Hard to see a continuation of the only policy I agreed with Trump (trying to tackle China)...the damage was done in the 90s and America lost their manufacturing base and edge to Asia. In my eyes Trump was too divisive and always had the risk of being dangerous (speech last night and several other things we can point too) and I think the divide has ramped up in recent years...but after 4 years nearly 70 million thought Trump deserved a vote...that rightly or wrongly...legitimises him and his actions.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 06, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: Trev on November 06, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 06, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
We're facing into a masssive global economic crisis. I seriously don't see Biden lasting more than 4 years. Beating Trump is grand but reality is going to set in very quickly and at least Trump seemed like he knew what he was doing or talked a good fight. Some dithering oul lad trying to keep up with the Chinese, Putin, the economic ctastrophe..no chance.
Ah now, you can't go on about the PR work by the liberal media whole spouting the propaganda of Biden being too old for the job that the conservative side were desperately pushing.
I'm not spouting anything. One look at JB and anyone would ask themselves if he will last. I honestly hope he's a great president and brings world peace. But, being as objective as possible here, trying to drown out all the other noise, I'd be fairly concerned. I have nothing against him, he seems like an alright kinda lad. Is that going to be enough? Is there a plan? A vision? Or are we back to carefully manipulated, keep a lid on everything, status quo politics.
Fair enough, I've just seen so much shite about his age when he's only a few years older than Trump. There's a good chance either of them could snuff it over the next four years, which goes back to what a shit choice the American public were given
Trump looking to frenzy up the crazies with his insanity ->
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmJol2gW0AAL_kT?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: The Butcher on November 06, 2020, 01:23:52 PM
True Biden is not inspiring with zero policy (overall a terrible candidate) but it was Trumps handling of the pandemic along with his idiotic loud mouth that lost him this race despite of his results. Long run for Biden will be retiring in 2022 at nearly 81 years old and leaving Harris to build up as the next candidate..which is a horrible idea I know but this is the democrats we are talking about. I would have preferred Andrew Yang myself if I had to pick but he gained zero traction with what he was saying.
Biden does have policies
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/#
Also Biden will the the magnolia or beige President. After the last 4 years thats not a bad thing.
Biden is 78 this month. Image that he (if elected) kicked the bucket between now and January. The craic would be would be something else.
Cue the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" music.
"You can't stop the count in one state and decide you want the count to continue in another state. That might be how you'd like to see the system work, but that's not how the system works."
Republican Senator Roy Blunt (4:20 duuuuudez!!!)
Biden is in. And will be by a comfortable margin when all is said and done.
I see nothing wrong with making sure a democratic election is carried out fairly. The turnout was amazing. Think of some of the pathetic turnouts in elections in the past both here, the States etc. Keep a close eye on it all and make sure it's done correctly, then there can be no moaning.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on November 06, 2020, 04:00:21 PM
Biden is 78 this month. Image that he (if elected) kicked the bucket between now and January. The craic would be would be something else.
Cue the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" music.
Haha. Reminds me of the Paul Gogarty Green Party curb video. Fucking hilarious.
https://youtu.be/uoMBvJ4mDfo
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 06, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: StoutAndAle on November 06, 2020, 04:00:21 PM
Biden is 78 this month. Image that he (if elected) kicked the bucket between now and January. The craic would be would be something else.
Cue the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" music.
Haha. Reminds me of the Paul Gogarty Green Party curb video. Fucking hilarious.
https://youtu.be/uoMBvJ4mDfo
:laugh: the 'fuck you' soundbites are class.
It's the Guardian, but rather than me posting Republican dissent over last night's outburst when I happen to see it, here's an overview:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/republicans-break-ranks-with-donald-trump-over-baseless-vote-claim
Quote from: Pedrito on November 06, 2020, 05:04:46 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 06, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
Quote from: StoutAndAle on November 06, 2020, 04:00:21 PM
Biden is 78 this month. Image that he (if elected) kicked the bucket between now and January. The craic would be would be something else.
Cue the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" music.
Haha. Reminds me of the Paul Gogarty Green Party curb video. Fucking hilarious.
https://youtu.be/uoMBvJ4mDfo
:laugh: the 'fuck you' soundbites are class.
Aye they really tie it all together. What a gowl of a lad.
I have no particular love for Trump and don't mind him losing or anything, but something in my gut repels me about Biden. The concerted media effort to have him displace Trump paired with his apparent ineptitude make me feel uneasy and I'd like to put a remind me on this for about 2 years time to see if my gut feeling was right or not. I feel like it's going to be a bad outcome at the end of it.
Luckily for me, being Irish, I don't really have to give a fuck but there is just something off about it all that I can't put my finger on, and that is no endorsement of Trump's tactics or behaviour either.
It might be the Build Back Better thing that is giving me the creeps.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2020, 07:47:25 PM
I have no particular love for Trump and don't mind him losing or anything, but something in my gut repels me about Biden. The concerted media effort to have him displace Trump paired with his apparent ineptitude make me feel uneasy and I'd like to put a remind me on this for about 2 years time to see if my gut feeling was right or not. I feel like it's going to be a bad outcome at the end of it.
Luckily for me, being Irish, I don't really have to give a fuck but there is just something off about it all that I can't put my finger on, and that is no endorsement of Trump's tactics or behaviour either.
It might be the Build Back Better thing that is giving me the creeps.
Slogans are nonsense anyway. And its a shit one. Where they need to spend money is on American infrastructure, it is in need of a major overhaul. When I go over there I can't get over how so many places make you think you're in the 80's.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 06, 2020, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2020, 07:47:25 PM
I have no particular love for Trump and don't mind him losing or anything, but something in my gut repels me about Biden. The concerted media effort to have him displace Trump paired with his apparent ineptitude make me feel uneasy and I'd like to put a remind me on this for about 2 years time to see if my gut feeling was right or not. I feel like it's going to be a bad outcome at the end of it.
Luckily for me, being Irish, I don't really have to give a fuck but there is just something off about it all that I can't put my finger on, and that is no endorsement of Trump's tactics or behaviour either.
It might be the Build Back Better thing that is giving me the creeps.
Slogans are nonsense anyway. And its a shit one. Where they need to spend money is on American infrastructure, it is in need of a major overhaul. When I go over there I can't get over how so many places make you think you're in the 80's.
And what da fuck would be wrong with that? 8)
I presume you don't mean in the good nostalgic way then?
The Build Back Better thing that freaks me out is that Biden has it as his slogan, but so does Boris Johnson and David Nabarro of the WHO also had the little badge on his suit jacket as well and now Johnson has been pictured with the WEF little wheel logo badge on him and Nabarro had a wall clock of it behind him in the same interview where he is wearing the Build Back Better badge. It all feels connected to this Great Reset idea floating around and it's creepy.
All of that could mean nothing at all but my gut says it's something and that's why I wish I had a reminder for 2 years time to see if I turn out to be wrong or not. Hopefully I am wrong and Biden ushers in a new era of fairness and transparency but I don't think he will.
For the WWE fans:
https://twitter.com/ZinZaku/status/1323810963238379522
:laugh:
Civil War looms..... :abbath:
https://youtu.be/NHr6O6jqMUs
:laugh:
https://youtu.be/XWLPkuczMHA
And some counters with Burn Loot Murder masks on too.. Not even trying to hide it. :laugh:
Sky News Australia.....
America's most important news network....
https://youtu.be/hbWvCx3xNY8
Johnny Lydon telling it like it is.
https://youtu.be/v1uOwz_UrQ0
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 09:26:16 AM
Sky News Australia.....
America's most important news network....
https://youtu.be/hbWvCx3xNY8
The 2nd quote on the YT video....
"Michigan found thousands of votes at 4am. Imagine that, all for Biden. Cough, cough..."
:laugh:
Wakey, Wakey....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 09:24:21 AM
:laugh:
https://youtu.be/XWLPkuczMHA
And some counters with Burn Loot Murder masks on too.. Not even trying to hide it. :laugh:
They were transcribing damaged ballots in order for them to be then scanned successfully and processed.
Here's a wider angle view of the video you posted, showing observers looking over them.
(https://www.delcopa.gov/publicrelations/releases/2020/images/ballotvideoresponse.jpg)
Do you actually think they'd just be repeatedly and openly committing fraud on a live stream. Some of ye here are really drinking the koolaid, despite calling others out for 'blindly following the mainstream media'.
Back to the neo-liberal pillage of the middle and working classes it is then, while championing changes and pursuing policies that have no positive impact on their lives. Politics needed a kick in the hole. Trump provided it. They're managed him out the door, but that door isn't closing anytime soon.
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 07, 2020, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 09:24:21 AM
:laugh:
https://youtu.be/XWLPkuczMHA
And some counters with Burn Loot Murder masks on too.. Not even trying to hide it. :laugh:
They were transcribing damaged ballots in order for them to be then scanned successfully and processed.
Here's a wider angle view of the video you posted, showing observers looking over them.
(https://www.delcopa.gov/publicrelations/releases/2020/images/ballotvideoresponse.jpg)
Do you actually think they'd just be repeatedly and openly committing fraud on a live stream. Some of ye here are really drinking the koolaid, despite calling others out for 'blindly following the mainstream media'.
Them two boys was away having a piss when it happened.
The media can't even not lie about the weather... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/S9xwxxVbsf0
Cheating their way to 'victory'.....
https://youtu.be/X5rrgWu0rJ4
Well all these completely unverified accounts with nothing to back up their claims has me convinced
Quote from: Trev on November 07, 2020, 10:27:35 AM
Well all these completely unverified accounts with nothing to back up their claims has me convinced
Nice one Trev. Good to see my hard work is paying off.
How's your cough by the way?
Frauding the way to 'victory'....
https://youtu.be/b_-zlprOqwA
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 06, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: The Butcher on November 06, 2020, 01:23:52 PM
True Biden is not inspiring with zero policy (overall a terrible candidate) but it was Trumps handling of the pandemic along with his idiotic loud mouth that lost him this race despite of his results. Long run for Biden will be retiring in 2022 at nearly 81 years old and leaving Harris to build up as the next candidate..which is a horrible idea I know but this is the democrats we are talking about. I would have preferred Andrew Yang myself if I had to pick but he gained zero traction with what he was saying.
Biden does have policies
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/#
Ah here you know what I meant. First debate the only policy Biden managed to talk about was giving billions to Brazil to stop them burning down the rainforest :-X I've been listening to him speak during his rallies in the lead up to election day...nothing but inane stories about the soul of the nation tripe and how he grew up in Scranton and mainly a "I'm not Trump, look how bad Trump is at XYZ" lines. The only thing he could make stick was the handling of covid. He is not a policy person and certainly didn't portray that during the campaign or the debates.
And the talk of Trump not going away....probably won't for the next 4 years...I could see him still holding these rallies and stirring up madness but can also see him f**king off. He will be 78 himself at 2024 next time out and he's already showing signs himself of cognitive decline (probably will be as bad as Biden is now). I wouldn't be surprised if Trump/Biden both croak before then.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 07, 2020, 09:41:02 AM
Back to the neo-liberal pillage of the middle and working classes it is then, while championing changes and pursuing policies that have no positive impact on their lives. Politics needed a kick in the hole. Trump provided it.
The neo-liberal pillage never went away. Politics may have needed a kick in the hole, but if you want to really think about what's been happening, the most likely "conspiracy" at work here, I think, is this:
The wealthiest interests behind both the DNC and the GOP are the same interests, and their bible is an old testament of economic liberalism mixed with a new testament of neo-con/neo-liberal doctrines.
In other words, none of the biggest backers of either party had an interest in the state of the nation, or the globe, getting a genuine kick in the hole.
However, a bit of extra circus when there's not quite enough bread to go around does wonders. So, Trump - a millionaire jester in a suit - is allowed a shot at sitting in the king's chair for a while, because it is known that he will be a laughing stock to half but a hero to others, someone who talks their language.
So, you've now beautifully divided the nation and also reinforced the idea that power does actually reside with the people, since they were "able" to vote in this oddity, and now they have "succeeded" in getting rid of him. So half the people see the other half as "morons" and they, in turn, see the others as "sheep."
But now that Trump's gone, what will happen? Well, the four year experiment was obviously a failure, since the people have "rejected" it, which means it's time to go back to "business as usual" (which, in reality, we never moved away from in any meaningful way) except cranked up just a little bit more.
Personally, I'll be relieved to see Trump go, because I've always hated the circus, but I don't for a second think that anything will be "better" without him, no more than they would be "better" if he stayed. So, if I wanted to go full political conspiracy on it, I would say that Trump's tenure as president was the biggest literal piss-taking mockery of the people ever yet orchestrated in the USA by the real powers that be, those who dwell far above party lines.
Just look, for instance, at how quickly Fox News and the New York Post, two of Murdoch's most treasured babies, are setting themselves up to drop Trump. Both seem to be openly rejecting and criticizing his claims of fraud.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 07, 2020, 09:41:02 AM
Back to the neo-liberal pillage of the middle and working classes it is then, while championing changes and pursuing policies that have no positive impact on their lives. Politics needed a kick in the hole. Trump provided it.
The neo-liberal pillage never went away. Politics may have needed a kick in the hole, but if you want to really think about what's been happening, the most likely "conspiracy" at work here, I think, is this:
The wealthiest interests behind both the DNC and the GOP are the same interests, and their bible is an old testament of economic liberalism mixed with a new testament of neo-con/neo-liberal doctrines.
In other words, none of the biggest backers of either party had an interest in the state of the nation, or the globe, getting a genuine kick in the hole.
However, a bit of extra circus when there's not quite enough bread to go around does wonders. So, Trump - a millionaire jester in a suit - is allowed a shot at sitting in the king's chair for a while, because it is known that he will be a laughing stock to half but a hero to others, someone who talks their language.
So, you've now beautifully divided the nation and also reinforced the idea that power does actually reside with the people, since they were "able" to vote in this oddity, and now they have "succeeded" in getting rid of him. So half the people see the other half as "morons" and they, in turn, see the others as "sheep."
But now that Trump's gone, what will happen? Well, the four year experiment was obviously a failure, since the people have "rejected" it, which means it's time to go back to "business as usual" (which, in reality, we never moved away from in any meaningful way) except cranked up just a little bit more.
Personally, I'll be relieved to see Trump go, because I've always hated the circus, but I don't for a second think that anything will be "better" without him, no more than they would be "better" if he stayed. So, if I wanted to go full political conspiracy on it, I would say that Trump's tenure as president was the biggest literal piss-taking mockery of the people ever yet orchestrated in the USA by the real powers that be, those who dwell far above party lines.
Apart from your last paragraph, you and me are far closer in thinking than you might believe. My stance on the whole thing has always been that Trump was never as Nazi/evil/racist blah blah blah as he has been portrayed in the media. Biden is not some divine saviour come to vanquish evil. He's the starus quo, the same oul thing dressed up as something new and exciting. Everybody could see through the Obama schpiel by the end of his tenure too. Happy families, him and Michelle, total wafflers.
I think Trump voiced something, or at least tapped into something, be it deliberately or not, that had been left unsaid/voiceless for a long time. That hasn't gone away and it won't either. Just look at the complete split in the country after a massive turnout to vote. Trump is not the point here, the emotion and thinking that went along with him is the point. There are real, definite issues underlying these votes, but no politician or party seems to want to get to grips with them. It's got nothing to do with race or religion or any of that bollox. Very few sane people spend their whole day walking around obsessing about these things. It's got to do with quality of life, jobs, security, housing..the basics. Trump, at the very least, seemed to try.
Whether that was all spoof and bluster I cannot say, I'm not on the ground in the U.S. and only have highly partisan media outlets/including youtube to rely on for info. Now it's the turn of JB. That's politics, that's the system, let's see what happens. As for Trump, I wouldn't worry about the man. He's got plenty of golf courses at his disposal and he can ride off into the sunset now having left a big orange mark on history.
Wonder if Jimmy Carter is going to out live a few more presidents.
I do insist on the "if" of the conspiracy theory angle. I don't think any agenda so unified or efficient actually exists.
Lack of self awareness anyone..?
https://youtu.be/oIZUica4h-k
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 02:25:58 PM
Lack of self awareness anyone..?
https://youtu.be/oIZUica4h-k
Person collects crazy Twitter quotes and puts them in a video. Riveting. Fuck this count is taking its time. Haven't a clue why they just haven't called it.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 07, 2020, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 02:25:58 PM
Lack of self awareness anyone..?
https://youtu.be/oIZUica4h-k
Person collects crazy Twitter quotes and puts them in a video. Riveting. Fuck this count is taking its time. Haven't a clue why they just haven't called it.
♥️Big Donnie's going nowhere lad.
#4moreyears
Go get 'em ♥️Big Donnie....
https://youtu.be/ra5DXCtX_cc
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 02:25:58 PM
Lack of self awareness anyone..?
https://youtu.be/oIZUica4h-k
Thank God they quoted a pop star from Mullingar to make their point.
Quote from: open face surgery on November 07, 2020, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 02:25:58 PM
Lack of self awareness anyone..?
https://youtu.be/oIZUica4h-k
Thank God they quoted a pop star from Mullingar to make their point.
:laugh: All the endorsement you'd need.
Cringe 'journalism' at its finest.
Gawd the vast majority of the media really are a shower of cnuts....
https://youtu.be/IMwUGXol1lY
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 03:57:49 PM
Cringe 'journalism' at its finest.
Gawd the vast majority of the media really are a shower of cnuts....
https://youtu.be/IMwUGXol1lY
A truism. But then, Sebastian Gorka is.....?
CNN have declared for Biden based on Pennsylvania. Ramp up the tantrums:
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-07-20/h_1e0e91d050d44ff57754643e6d9008d2
Trump supporting beast attacks people of colour...
https://theync.com/white-racist-cow-attacks-black-people.htm
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2020, 04:15:15 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 03:57:49 PM
Cringe 'journalism' at its finest.
Gawd the vast majority of the media really are a shower of cnuts....
https://youtu.be/IMwUGXol1lY
A truism. But then, Sebastian Gorka is.....?
A super sound gasún by all accounts.
I'd have him round for roast tofu and honey glazed broccoli and baked beans any Sunday afternoon.
He's a class act like meself and yourself Chris.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 07, 2020, 09:41:02 AM
Back to the neo-liberal pillage of the middle and working classes it is then, while championing changes and pursuing policies that have no positive impact on their lives. Politics needed a kick in the hole. Trump provided it.
The neo-liberal pillage never went away. Politics may have needed a kick in the hole, but if you want to really think about what's been happening, the most likely "conspiracy" at work here, I think, is this:
The wealthiest interests behind both the DNC and the GOP are the same interests, and their bible is an old testament of economic liberalism mixed with a new testament of neo-con/neo-liberal doctrines.
Yes. This is why the likes of Sanders will never get elected.
Happy Christmas border jumpers!
Yeah, feliz Navidad hombres...
At least we can relax into the fact that there will be no more innocent black lads getting shot dead now.
And ANTIFA and Burn Loot Murder can extinguish their peaceful campaigns of woke enlightenment.
Phew.... silver linings and all that.
The view from the hard left:
Quote
No Honeymoon for Joe Biden
It's good that Donald Trump lost. But the Left now needs to pivot immediately to opposition to the Joe Biden administration.
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/joe-biden-administration-opposition-push-left
'This president will embolden left wing extremists'
I'd love to hand that script to that lemon Don Lemon, but he's a black homosexual so nobody is allowed to tell him what to do, for obvious reasons.
Gas that the word 'evil' is trotted out again and again by these fanatics. Change the protagonists and it could easily read like an ISIS or Christian Science pamphlet.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 07, 2020, 06:33:55 PM
Gas that the word 'evil' is trotted out again and again by these fanatics. Change the protagonists and it could easily read like an ISIS or Christian Science pamphlet.
Are you talking about the Jacobin article? This sentence:
"If there was ever a case where the victory of the lesser evil over the greater evil merited busting out a bottle or two of champagne, this was it. But once you've sobered up, remember that being less evil than Trump is fully compatible with being an implacable enemy of the working class." ?
"The lesser of two evils" is a pretty everyday expression for comparing any two things perceived as being in any degree negative, it's not really to be taken literally, as it would be if applied to, say, ISIS. Although, that said, Jacobin is as likely a source as, say, anywhere Kev gets his news from to find statements about Obama's "evils" with respect to ordering drone strikes, etc.
You could call it 'preponderant'.
Tim Pool, basically a free thinking Chris, reckons Trump will win his legal challenge and be back in the hot seat.
There's an open door there, get in Don!
The Russians (all they do is dig holes in the ground and excellent military parades, a much overestimated actor) must have switched sides! Do I have to spell this out for you Don!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2020, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 07, 2020, 06:33:55 PM
Gas that the word 'evil' is trotted out again and again by these fanatics. Change the protagonists and it could easily read like an ISIS or Christian Science pamphlet.
Are you talking about the Jacobin article? This sentence:
"If there was ever a case where the victory of the lesser evil over the greater evil merited busting out a bottle or two of champagne, this was it. But once you've sobered up, remember that being less evil than Trump is fully compatible with being an implacable enemy of the working class." ?
"The lesser of two evils" is a pretty everyday expression for comparing any two things perceived as being in any degree negative, it's not really to be taken literally, as it would be if applied to, say, ISIS. Although, that said, Jacobin is as likely a source as, say, anywhere Kev gets his news from to find statements about Obama's "evils" with respect to ordering drone strikes, etc.
Thanks for the explanation of the expression Father ;) will that be 3 hail marys then?
How's he going to get back in though. Say he wins some case for Pennsylvania he still loses anyway. Total desperation and uncouth I might add.
Indulgences would be more fitting Peadair :laugh:
And here, should you not be off having the aul back, crack and sack done for the paper anniversary? ;) :abbath:
Do people still have sex after a year of marriage nowadays?
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 07, 2020, 07:41:53 PM
How's he going to get back in though. Say he wins some case for Pennsylvania he still loses anyway. Total desperation and uncouth I might add.
The legal victory he had was very minor. It won't make any difference unless he has a series of more significant victories.
He might have a point, who knows? I just paid 1200, yeah TWELVE HUNDRED quid to a wedding planner today who the bird hired and has done almost nothing concrete, and I'm still thinking of my man Donald. If he understood my plight he'd sort me out, no doubt about it. He'd probably throw in the price of a few pints.
That sleazy auld fucker Biden would be plying me with sweeties, if that.
You'd be spit roasted like a pig if Slippy Joe got his mitts on you
Sleepy Joe is the conduit for ultra-progressive Indian African Kamala Harris to 'change the landscape' of America. She's fanny, sub-continent and some variety of Caribbean. It's like the master chiefs suit in Halo. Immune to criticism unless you wish to be re-educated via unemployment, social and political suicide and the rage of the zombies which seem to outnumber the living and breathing judging by my Facebook feed. My sister in law loves GAA and buying shit for the house but is having cans of a Saturday because Trump is a racist and the world is safe now.
'Yeah but why is it safer'? You hate politics'
'Ah fuck off Kevin you're just stirring the pot. Have ye a honeymoon booked'?
Auld Majella is just a notch above the bottom feeding going on by the gloaters here. And she's not a thespian or a philosopher.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2020, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 07, 2020, 07:41:53 PM
How's he going to get back in though. Say he wins some case for Pennsylvania he still loses anyway. Total desperation and uncouth I might add.
The legal victory he had was very minor. It won't make any difference unless he has a series of more significant victories.
He might have a point, who knows? I just paid 1200, yeah TWELVE HUNDRED quid to a wedding planner today who the bird hired and has done almost nothing concrete, and I'm still thinking of my man Donald. If he understood my plight he'd sort me out, no doubt about it. He'd probably throw in the price of a few pints.
That sleazy auld fucker Biden would be plying me with sweeties, if that.
€1200?! Fuck that, sure at the least Donnie could give you the name of a decent divorce lawyer
Quote from: Trev on November 07, 2020, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2020, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 07, 2020, 07:41:53 PM
How's he going to get back in though. Say he wins some case for Pennsylvania he still loses anyway. Total desperation and uncouth I might add.
The legal victory he had was very minor. It won't make any difference unless he has a series of more significant victories.
He might have a point, who knows? I just paid 1200, yeah TWELVE HUNDRED quid to a wedding planner today who the bird hired and has done almost nothing concrete, and I'm still thinking of my man Donald. If he understood my plight he'd sort me out, no doubt about it. He'd probably throw in the price of a few pints.
That sleazy auld fucker Biden would be plying me with sweeties, if that.
€1200?! Fuck that, sure at the least Donnie could give you the name of a decent divorce lawyer
The lawyer's probably on the Trump Accountability Project's hitlist though.
It's good to see mass gatherings are now acceptable in the US again.
I'm starting to warm to Snakey Joe. That smile he flashes every now and then...I reckon he's fingered more women than I've hat hot dinners the wee scamp. It's gas how worked up the world has gotten over these 2 absolute boyos. Both of them would ride yer missus and end up convincing you that it was all for the good of your marriage..pure class.
Ask Serbia, Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Syria escaped even worse shite because big Vlad stepped in.
I despise American meddling but I despise every cunt who voted for Biden just as much. Fuckin' pigeons.
Where do ya find the time to despise 73 million-odd people? Ye must have no time left even for an aul cupán tae?
In fairness, I did get one good laugh out of Biden today. BBC news were engaging in a bit of whataboutery today regarding future Anglo-American relations. They showed a clip of Biden on the campaign trail, when a voice in the crowd Shouts "Mr Biden, we're from the BBC, have you a few words for us?"
He turns around with his big cute hoor grin, "BBC?! I'm Irish!", turns his back and walks away, leaving them hanging. :laugh:
It'll be closer to 80 million when all the votes are accounted for. Here's some demographic analysis to help you add some flesh to the stats you're despising Kev:
https://www.ft.com/content/69f3206f-37a7-4561-bebf-5929e7df850d
Definitely some interesting shifts in both directions.
Quote from: Scáthach on November 08, 2020, 12:35:43 AM
Where do ya find the time to despise 73 million-odd people? Ye must have no time left even for an aul cupán tae?
In fairness, I did get one good laugh out of Biden today. BBC news were engaging in a bit of whataboutery today regarding future Anglo-American relations. They showed a clip of Biden on the campaign trail, when a voice in the crowd Shouts "Mr Biden, we're from the BBC, have you a few words for us?"
He turns around with his big cute hoor grin, "BBC?! I'm Irish!", turns his back and walks away, leaving them hanging. :laugh:
I hate you and Chris and Ollkiller aswell. 80 million and 3.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 08, 2020, 02:30:22 AM
Quote from: Scáthach on November 08, 2020, 12:35:43 AM
Where do ya find the time to despise 73 million-odd people? Ye must have no time left even for an aul cupán tae?
In fairness, I did get one good laugh out of Biden today. BBC news were engaging in a bit of whataboutery today regarding future Anglo-American relations. They showed a clip of Biden on the campaign trail, when a voice in the crowd Shouts "Mr Biden, we're from the BBC, have you a few words for us?"
He turns around with his big cute hoor grin, "BBC?! I'm Irish!", turns his back and walks away, leaving them hanging. :laugh:
I hate you and Chris and Ollkiller aswell. 80 million and 3.
WTF did I do :laugh:
Just your vibe. Some lads like Trev, Scáthach and Carnage who I loved with all my heart have started to break it too. Ducky has gone off riding' or taking yokes but he's top of the list. Basically, if you criticise Trump or agree with Chris (the latter is much worse) then I hate you superficially.
https://twitter.com/Eden_Eats/status/1325371480058724353?s=08
The US spirit of yore back with a bullet. Also pretty sure this is Tom Morello.
Dunno if this has been posted as I haven't really clicked the links.
https://youtu.be/jPUFwmZN9eo
'Good for the negro'😂😂😂😂
Maybe he'll be alright ;)
Yeah, as suggested by the Jacobin article I posted, he needs to be lifted out of it from within and starting now. AOC is already back in the ring it seems:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ends-truce-by-warning-incompetent-democratic-party
Do you agree with anything that fool says?
Not really a relevant question to the simple fact that she's already staked herself in opposition to the President elect, but I'll give the least informative response I can; less than you fawn over Trump.
..
Must check if there's an equivalent to Nailin Pailin for AOC. Fine flippin yoke when she stops talking shoite
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 08, 2020, 10:37:23 AM
Just your vibe. Some lads like Trev, Scáthach and Carnage who I loved with all my heart have started to break it too. Ducky has gone off riding' or taking yokes but he's top of the list. Basically, if you criticise Trump or agree with Chris (the latter is much worse) then I hate you superficially.
I've no love for hair sniffing Joe either, I'd class myself as a misanthrope, but I'd say I've only gotten around to hating about 100k people in the last 3+ decades. :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 08, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Not really a relevant question to the simple fact that she's already staked herself in opposition to the President elect, but I'll give the least informative response I can; less than you fawn over Trump.
You are an annoying bastard.
We should have a MW election between me and you.
The loser is banished to Reddit :)
I could say anything and still win by a landslide :)
Allow.yourself even 2 minutes to watch this video. How this chameleon, political animal got to the white house is a miracle. The swamp only deepens and becomes murkier..
https://youtu.be/jPUFwmZN9eo
A piece of shit with an even bigger, blacker piece of shit taking us to Chris' socialist utopia.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 08, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
How this chameleon, political animal got to the white house is a miracle.
https://youtu.be/jPUFwmZN9eo
A miracle indeed just like how a few days ago it was far too dangerous for his voter base to vote in person but now they can pack the streets to celebrate :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 08, 2020, 02:12:00 PM
A piece of shit with an even bigger, blacker piece of shit taking us to Chris' socialist utopia.
Joe Biden is centre in politics. In no way is he socialist. Where did you get the idea he is a socialist.
If it's not trump its communist dummy.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 08, 2020, 02:23:21 PM
If it's not trump its communist dummy.
:laugh: There's an extra saltiness to the Trump supporters today. :abbath:
You'd still vote for me if it was Caoimhín v Chris nigga lover
Kurt Cocaine would be my write in candidate. Drugs and hos for all! :)
He's my running mate (I haven't told him yet)
Chris? Could he find anyone with such a lack of self esteem to run with the biggest show in Wicklow ?
Doubt it. Maybe Ducky but he's been debunked
Kev, the irony is that I always thought you were mixed race. I thought there was a bit of Mexican or something spicy in the mix. I never would have had you down as white.
The grandfather is from Germany, hence the surname :)
One of those German Mexicans?
Well he's dead years. Loved a pint the auld bastard . Heiko Jacob. No idea how he got into Irish knickers because she is dead 25 years
I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.
The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 08, 2020, 02:36:39 PM
He's my running mate (I haven't told him yet)
Chris? Could he find anyone with such a lack of self esteem to run with the biggest show in Wicklow ?
Doubt it. Maybe Ducky but he's been debunked
He is covering all the bases and running with Mugz. It's going to be a real yin/yang type campaign
Mugz? He's mental and I can prove it
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.
The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.
Pennsylvania is going to court tomorrow and I have a feeling Trumps team have even more evidence than they are letting on. I don't think this is over yet. The supreme court overturned the election result in 2000 and gave it to Bush.
Has anyone even tried to make an argument why there is a good faith reason to block GOP poll watchers, or are we just supposed to ignore how highly suspicious that seems?
Quote from: mickO))) on November 08, 2020, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.
The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.
Pennsylvania is going to court tomorrow and I have a feeling Trumps team have even more evidence than they are letting on. I don't think this is over yet. The supreme court overturned the election result in 2000 and gave it to Bush.
Has anyone even tried to make an argument why there is a good faith reason to block GOP poll watchers, or are we just supposed to ignore how highly suspicious that seems?
Smash them ♥️Big Donnie....
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5206474786033175&id=100000121144777&sfnsn=mo
Ah he's not, he is just very nostalgic. Should go down a treat with the 90s crowd
Quote from: mickO))) on November 08, 2020, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.
The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.
Pennsylvania is going to court tomorrow and I have a feeling Trumps team have even more evidence than they are letting on. I don't think this is over yet. The supreme court overturned the election result in 2000 and gave it to Bush.
Has anyone even tried to make an argument why there is a good faith reason to block GOP poll watchers, or are we just supposed to ignore how highly suspicious that seems?
My feeling on it is that if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck then it's likely to be a duck. The blocking of observers is the first red flag and the 120,000 odd votes that suddenly turned up and not even 5 of them Trump is suspicious as well. How the Biden votes kept turning up long after the time. As I said, it will be the new 9/11. Everyone will know it's dodgy as fuck, the accused will find evidence to refute the claims of wrongdoing from somewhere and yet everyone will still know it's dicey. I hope Trump's camp do have some decent evidence, but my gut tells me it will go nowhere.
Chris I'm calling you out
Jesse Ventura was robbed, bunch of slack jawed faggots over there
You can't trust homosexuals Trev.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 08, 2020, 03:43:49 PM
You can't trust homosexuals Trev.
Yes, they spread diseases and attract sharks.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 08, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
Allow.yourself even 2 minutes to watch this video. How this chameleon, political animal got to the white house is a miracle. The swamp only deepens and becomes murkier..
https://youtu.be/jPUFwmZN9eo
He was to Obama what Pence was to Trump and what Harris now is to him; the complement, the yang that balances out all the real or perceived yin of the front-runner:
Obama - a gamble, a progressive choice even without opening his mouth, runs with Biden, the most conservative Democrat imaginable.
Trump - a checkered history, a multiple divorcee, various sex scandals, a potty-mouth, a renegade, runs with Pence, a hard-line asexual bible-belt evangelical style Christian.
Biden - still the most conservative Democrat imaginable, now with a recently re-revealed checkered history with regards to race and other progressive talking points, runs with Harris, a gamble, a progressive choice even without opening her mouth.
Quote from: mickO))) on November 08, 2020, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.
The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.
Pennsylvania is going to court tomorrow and I have a feeling Trumps team have even more evidence than they are letting on. I don't think this is over yet. The supreme court overturned the election result in 2000 and gave it to Bush.
Has anyone even tried to make an argument why there is a good faith reason to block GOP poll watchers, or are we just supposed to ignore how highly suspicious that seems?
Say he actually won the court case for Pennsylvania. He still loses as he hasn't the other states needed. As regards poll watchers they had poll watchers in there. Lawyer in the first court case said we have a non zero number of watchers. Non zero. Ffs. He's lost lads.
Kev, you're in fine fettle, especially after Everton yesterday. This engagement must suit you.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 08, 2020, 04:30:08 PM
He was to Obama what Pence was to Trump and what Harris now is to him; the complement, the yang that balances out all the real or perceived yin of the front-runner:
Obama - a gamble, a progressive choice even without opening his mouth, runs with Biden, the most conservative Democrat imaginable.
Trump - a checkered history, a multiple divorcee, various sex scandals, a potty-mouth, a renegade, runs with Pence, a hard-line asexual bible-belt evangelical style Christian.
Biden - still the most conservative Democrat imaginable, now with a recently re-revealed checkered history with regards to race and other progressive talking points, runs with Harris, a gamble, a progressive choice even without opening her mouth.
That's why I suggested Mugz for your own running mate!
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 08, 2020, 04:31:15 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
I doubt it will ever be proven
Say he actually won the court case for Pennsylvania. He still loses as he hasn't the other states needed. As regards poll watchers they had poll watchers in there. Lawyer in the first court case said we have a non zero number of watchers. Non zero. Ffs. He's lost lads.
Quote from: Emphyrio on November 08, 2020, 04:31:55 PM
Kev, you're in fine fettle, especially after Everton yesterday. This engagement must suit you.
I'm tired of homosexual propaganda and self hating whites like 'Dr' Chris.
:laugh:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/08/politics/george-w-bush-congratulates-biden/index.html
Those legal actions aren't going anywhere.
Bush says election was "fundamentally fair". Like his own in 2000 presumably. Not a hope am I ever going to be able to believe that Biden got the most votes in history, beating out Trump setting a new record himself. I think the legal actions aren't going anywhere either but there is a reason that Biden is the darling of silicon valley and doesn't get fact checked every time he opens his mouth and also why stories of how bent he is were hidden by media outlets. I know lots of people here align themselves with the democrats but even so, Trump won with the largest vote ever despite a concerted media effort to make sure he didn't. And the charismatic Joe was so convincing with his policies and personality that he got more votes than that again. Yeah right. I don't give a fuck about Trump but I know a scam when I see one and there are an awful lot of media and internet giants behind Biden's win at the very least which should get most people smelling a rat even if the voter fraud doesn't stick.
The scam is the silencing and the complete lack of any fair or balanced media/social media coverage of Trump coupled with a free pass for his opponent. Never has a president enetered office under such little scrutiny. Consent or die.
Obama received just under 70m votes when he got in, Hillary Clinton received 65m votes. This time around, with the way things have gone in the world and the political polarization reaching insane levels and the country being on fucking fire, more people in total turned out to cast a vote. Where is the conspiracy in this!? :-\
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 07:43:24 PM
Bush says election was "fundamentally fair". Like his own in 2000 presumably. Not a hope am I ever going to be able to believe that Biden got the most votes in history, beating out Trump setting a new record himself. I think the legal actions aren't going anywhere either but there is a reason that Biden is the darling of silicon valley and doesn't get fact checked every time he opens his mouth and also why stories of how bent he is were hidden by media outlets. I know lots of people here align themselves with the democrats but even so, Trump won with the largest vote ever despite a concerted media effort to make sure he didn't. And the charismatic Joe was so convincing with his policies and personality that he got more votes than that again. Yeah right. I don't give a fuck about Trump but I know a scam when I see one and there are an awful lot of media and internet giants behind Biden's win at the very least which should get most people smelling a rat even if the voter fraud doesn't stick.
Nazgul just explained it there. It's not a conspiracy in any way. Biden got more votes and there was no large scale fraud. Deal with it.
Even look at the media coverage over here. RTE running stories of how good Biden will be for Ireland. He will in his hole. How many Biden stories have you seen fact checked? Nobody even bothered to run the laptop story. The media is now a one way street ramming the narrative down our throats. It's an awful pity Trump didn't take on the social media giants at the beginning of his term rather than during the election cycle. I have heard a few people saying the last few days how they are glad to see Trump gone and when I asked them what it was he did that was so bad, they didn't even know why they wanted him gone. Shows the influence of the media if people can feel that strongly about the US presidency and not know why.
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 08, 2020, 08:11:31 PM
Obama received just under 70m votes when he got in, Hillary Clinton received 65m votes. This time around, with the way things have gone in the world and the political polarization reaching insane levels and the country being on fucking fire, more people in total turned out to cast a vote. Where is the conspiracy in this!? :-X
As I said, I don't think any of the fraud suits will stick in the least, but my gut tells me that it is as dicey as fuck. I also know that Trump had been sowing that seed coming up to the election and I'm keeping that in mind as I go but as Pedrito put it, the media/social media bias has been so strong on this one that it just doesn't sit right. Biden will be in the white house no question, but whose interests are being served won't become apparent for a while. The whole campaign gives me the creeps big time. It's also who actually won. A half decent candidate usurps Trump and it's no surprise, but this creature?
I initially started thinking about it a while back when I was saying Trump was a lunatic, and was asked why I said that (in this thread, I think) and I didn't have much of an answer beyond media hype. I then wondered why I had never heard a single good thing about him in the media here even though one would think they would be impartial, given this isn't the USA. He started no wars, boosted the economy and gave endless entertainment so why the hatred in the media over here? Shit like that gets me questioning although I concede I won't ever get the answer. I'm not a Trump supporter by the way, I just don't like the look of this and it smells fishy.
Ollkiller, you are only saying deal with it because your media darling won. I guarantee if it went the other way, and Biden was getting censored and fact checked every time he tweeted or opened his mouth the Biden supporters would be wondering about the extreme bias as well. And I won't have to deal with it because as I said I'm not a Trump supporter, but we will all have to deal with this future where extreme media bias paints the narrative for us all. It isn't going to be fun because the internet is ubiquitous and so it will be almost impossible to avoid, given that we are forced to use it for everything. And yeah the irony of me being here isn't lost on me but at least we are debating.
Desperation is a stinky cologne :)
He was fact checked throughout all the debates, just as Trump was. I think he just has slightly (and I do mean that) better control over the brain-mouth axis than Trump. He says, again, slightly less strikingly bat-shit mental stuff than Trump, but when he has, even after he was official candidate, like when he said if you're not against Trump you ain't black, he has been raked over it. It was a shitty election, with two shitty candidates, and slightly more people came out to say they were sick of shitty candidate 1 who they've had to listen to for 4 years. End of story. No fairytale ending, no conspiracy, just more western "democracy" bollocks. Nothing new under the sun.
It's satire but, I mean, this is the view on the left:
https://politics.theonion.com/jubilant-reaction-to-trump-defeat-quickly-soured-by-new-1845551327
Yeah, Trump stinks of desperation and my cologne is despair. The wife hates it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 08, 2020, 08:53:03 PM
He was fact checked throughout all the debates, just as Trump was. I think he just has slightly (and I do mean that) better control over the brain-mouth axis than Trump. He says, again, slightly less strikingly bat-shit mental stuff than Trump, but when he has, even after he was official candidate, like when he said if you're not against Trump you ain't black, he has been raked over it. It was a shitty election, with two shitty candidates, and slightly more people came out to say they were sick of shitty candidate 1 who they've had to listen to for 4 years. End of story. No fairytale ending, no conspiracy, just more western "democracy" bollocks. Nothing new under the sun.
Here is Biden's tweet:
QuoteAmerica, I'm honored that you have chosen me to lead our great country.
The work ahead of us will be hard, but I promise you this: I will be a President for all Americans — whether you voted for me or not.
I will keep the faith that you have placed in me.
Here is Trump's tweet from the same day:
QuoteI WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!
Except his tweet had this disclaimer under it
QuoteOfficial sources may not have called the race when this was Tweeted
Funny no such disclaimer for Biden, even though electoral college votes are not counted until 6th January 2021. No bias there of course. None at all.
Edit: I get the counting of electoral college votes are not the official sources they refer to, but the point still stands
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 08, 2020, 09:01:40 PM
It's satire but, I mean, this is the view on the left:
https://politics.theonion.com/jubilant-reaction-to-trump-defeat-quickly-soured-by-new-1845551327
Lol that sums it up pretty well
It's clear why the media hated Trump. It's because he hates them and was vocal about it. I don't think it's the job of the American president to provide 'entertainment' and I can't say I found Trump's inanities, his utter lack of coherence, his endless shit stirring in any way entertaining- but that's just me. I have issues with elements of the left as I think anyone with a bit of sense should but regardless of that, the president is the president of everyone in the country, not just his own fervent followers.
I suppose what it boils down to now in the US is whether there are enough people left in the reasonable middle ground to bring both sides back from the edge, which seems to be where they have polarised to. Social media is cancerous, I honestly believe that; I think it's a huge part of the problem but sadly it's not going anywhere. I think there needs to be a period of calming, if that's even possible. It's probably true that Biden is the wrong person for the job with his fairly corpsy charisma so it's probably high time the Dems got their act together and start developing a real candidate.
The same is true for the Republicans. I think that they have really lost a lot of credibility with having such a wildcard running the show for the past four years and they need to reestablish themselves as being... I don't know... sane would be a good start.
I just hope that this isn't a new era of maniacal politics that we are witnessing the birth of and rather a blip on the radar. I mean, yeah yeah politics is riddled with corruption, of course it is, and even someone as charismatic and relatively uniting as Obama was no angel, and I'm not sure that that is something that will change. But at least don't allow America to rip itself apart and potentially leave the door open (further open?) to China or Russia. Do we really want those loopers running the show??
Fair point about the entertainment factor. I was more referring to the coverage of him in this country than where it really matters such as the US and the middle east for example. It seems even the likes of Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping get an easier ride than Trump in the media. Even the Israelis get less shit for the shit they do to Palestine. Has Trump been anything as bad as is made out? Not a hope. Not president material as evidenced by his behaviour, but then what is president material, looking good while being bad? I'm a centrist myself so I hope that the masses who do fall in the middle eventually get a voice. Sure maybe Biden will be it. Won't matter a fuck to me being Irish but it would still be good if I was proved wrong and he set a new worldwide standard for fairness and transparency so that others could follow. If he pops the clogs before term then does that Harris get in and is she the type of candidate needed? She seems like she would be bad as well.
At least Trump never had any Irish connection. The amount of fawning going on about auld Joe from people that are vaguely related to him...ugh
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 09:07:16 PM
QuoteOfficial sources may not have called the race when this was Tweeted
Funny no such disclaimer for Biden, even though electoral college votes are not counted until 6th January 2021. No bias there of course. None at all.
Edit: I get the counting of electoral college votes are not the official sources they refer to, but the point still stands
Biden waited far longer than was statistically necessary, as did CNN. Fact checked and passed. This was done strategically so as not to add even more fuel to Trump's tantrum fire. Independent sources called it once the trajectories excluded any further flips that could swing it back to Trump. This election, the sensible sources were ultra cautious. There is no comparison. Trump, statistically, had already lost when he tweeted what he did. Fact checked and flagged.
Ah come on, you can see as clear as day the bias even if you can knock me back with the argument. The fact check is one of the new propaganda tools and although you do make a believable point with that one, it has been going on for months where Trump is concerned. Same shit with the covid fact checking but that isn't for this thread. It's like facebook banning David Icke and Twitter doing the same. It's not that 95 percent of what he says might be shite, it's the 5 percent truth that they want to ban. Same with Trump. (and the Icke comparison is intentional). The world is full of headline readers and the tactic works wonderfully. There is definitely a large element of Trump setting up the distrust of the media and voting system in advance here as well and I don't disregard that at all but I reckon as I said before that given the media ownership and the ubiquity of the internet we are in for a bad time over the next few years.
"Fake news." That's the guy you're talking about here. Everything from CNN, etc., was fake news. Everything from every opinion spinner on Fox was relayed as "fact." That guy. Obama not born in the US. That guy. Not really surprising both that he should become the first prime target of fact-checking, but also that he would fail the checks with such regularity. Is there a mysterious cabal working behind the scenes to simply have blues and reds no longer believe anything that comes from the opposing camp in order to drive division among the masses? It's possible. In that case, the same cabal decided Trump's role was to come to an end by having even Fox "prematurely" claim he had lost Arizona (which they did a couple of days before NYT or CNN, who still haven't declared that state), and then also declare Biden as winner. There may be vagueness about the real powers at work behind the scenes, but there is very little that doesn't make sense on the level you're analyzing, from where I'm looking.
Here's another piece, not presented because I agree with everything in it or everything Klein has said anywhere else, but to show once again that there is no free ride being offered to Biden from within the Democratic party, even at this embryonic stage of his mandate:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/08/joe-biden-risky-candidate-us-election
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 08, 2020, 11:44:51 PM
"Fake news." That's the guy you're talking about here. Everything from CNN, etc., was fake news. Everything from every opinion spinner on Fox was relayed as "fact." That guy. Obama not born in the US. That guy. Not really surprising both that he should become the first prime target of fact-checking, but also that he would fail the checks with such regularity. Is there a mysterious cabal working behind the scenes to simply have blues and reds no longer believe anything that comes from the opposing camp in order to drive division among the masses? It's possible. In that case, the same cabal decided Trump's role was to come to an end by having even Fox "prematurely" claim he had lost Arizona (which they did a couple of days before NYT or CNN, who still haven't declared that state), and then also declare Biden as winner. There may be vagueness about the real powers at work behind the scenes, but there is very little that doesn't make sense on the level you're analyzing, from where I'm looking.
Yeah maybe you're right. I'm hyper-skeptical at the best of times. Mostly when it comes to any official version of things. I'd like to hear the argument from a full-on Trump supporter as well just to balance it out. For all I know the media is just doing what it does and sticking arses to chairs and eyes to screens and there truly is nothing to see here. Then there is the no smoke without fire thing and I still have the gut feeling of something being off that I can't shake. It's also quite possible every election ever would leave me with the same feeling if it were to be played out through the web like this one. Maybe the presidency is a moot point anyway and congress and the senate is where the magic happens. I do think whoever controls the opinion of the public must have a massive hand in outcomes though and we are back to my old favourite Cambridge Analytica or whatever is the updated version of that.
There surely is something to see, but not at the level you're looking; not at the openly publicly available level. If manufacture of consent is a reality, then it goes hand in hand with the illusion of public power. Obama being elected appeared a wonder of public power. Trump being elected seemed either a miracle or a perversion, but either way the result of public power. Now Trump's defeat is being sold as yet another feat of public power, and we have people here beating the drum of Trump being "good" for the people. Most likely, all of it is circus, pantomime, the play within the play, Plato's cavern. Read some Walter Lippmann, one of the architects of today's political and economic societal structure. For him, democracy per se was a ludicrous idea and only an elite could decide what was best. Either that idea could be sold to the public and internalized as their own opinion, or else they'd need to be distracted by a simulacrum of participation. He formalized the idea of manufacture of consent. If I thought Obama getting in was theatrics, well it gives some idea of how seriously I take Trump's scene; an Oscar winning blooper reel.
That could all be off the mark, so I'm not 100% invested in the perspective, but at the level of historic, rather than "political" time, it makes more sense to follow the tides rather than each wave.
Straight from the donkey's mouth....
https://youtu.be/WGRnhBmHYN0
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:41:26 PM
Ah he's not, he is just very nostalgic. Should go down a treat with the 90s crowd
Quote from: mickO))) on November 08, 2020, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.
The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.
Pennsylvania is going to court tomorrow and I have a feeling Trumps team have even more evidence than they are letting on. I don't think this is over yet. The supreme court overturned the election result in 2000 and gave it to Bush.
Has anyone even tried to make an argument why there is a good faith reason to block GOP poll watchers, or are we just supposed to ignore how highly suspicious that seems?
My feeling on it is that if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck then it's likely to be a duck. The blocking of observers is the first red flag and the 120,000 odd votes that suddenly turned up and not even 5 of them Trump is suspicious as well. How the Biden votes kept turning up long after the time. As I said, it will be the new 9/11. Everyone will know it's dodgy as fuck, the accused will find evidence to refute the claims of wrongdoing from somewhere and yet everyone will still know it's dicey. I hope Trump's camp do have some decent evidence, but my gut tells me it will go nowhere.
The problem with this argument is that to pull off a deception/fraud this grand it would require an awful lot of complicit people. Good luck ensuring everyone involved stays silent.
No doubt if the Supreme court reject Donald's evidence, it will be the evidence was there but they chose to ignore it - The Supreme Court was got at.
I suppose that will be easier for his supporters to believe than accepting he lost.
Quote from: Cailleach on November 09, 2020, 01:04:12 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:41:26 PM
Ah he's not, he is just very nostalgic. Should go down a treat with the 90s crowd
Quote from: mickO))) on November 08, 2020, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 08, 2020, 03:18:10 PM
I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.
The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.
Pennsylvania is going to court tomorrow and I have a feeling Trumps team have even more evidence than they are letting on. I don't think this is over yet. The supreme court overturned the election result in 2000 and gave it to Bush.
Has anyone even tried to make an argument why there is a good faith reason to block GOP poll watchers, or are we just supposed to ignore how highly suspicious that seems?
My feeling on it is that if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck then it's likely to be a duck. The blocking of observers is the first red flag and the 120,000 odd votes that suddenly turned up and not even 5 of them Trump is suspicious as well. How the Biden votes kept turning up long after the time. As I said, it will be the new 9/11. Everyone will know it's dodgy as fuck, the accused will find evidence to refute the claims of wrongdoing from somewhere and yet everyone will still know it's dicey. I hope Trump's camp do have some decent evidence, but my gut tells me it will go nowhere.
The problem with this argument is that to pull off a deception/fraud this grand it would require an awful lot of complicit people. Good luck ensuring everyone involved stays silent.
No doubt if the Supreme court reject Donald's evidence, it will be the evidence was there but they chose to ignore it - The Supreme Court was got at.
I suppose that will be easier for his supporters to believe than accepting he lost.
Tbh that's the stick in the spokes of every grand conspiracy theory. The mechanics of making it happen without it getting out seems an impossible hurdle to clear. Too many actors involved for no one to blow the whistle.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/i-was-asked-to-lie-about-hunter-biden-admits-ukrainian-businessman-853krxgtz?
Now, is this true or fake, or true or false, or true but made up, or false but a changed story...Christ, who knows!
Not you now aswell :laugh: :abbath:
Have you seen Donalds grifting to get donations for his fund to help with the lawsuits. In the small print is that up to half the donation to fight the lawsuit will go to paying his campaign debts. Which is probably the real reason for the fund. Grifters gotta grift.
The shameless fucker :laugh:
Caomhaoin have ya thrown in your donation yet?
He'll have a monthly standing order like meself.
Even Borat hates Facepoop, Twatter, et al....
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/sacha-baron-cohen-facebook-zuckerberg-b1719720.html
Fox News hops on the "cutting away from BS from the White House" train:
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1325918849364094987
Yeah strange that they had the conference outside of White House and that Kayleigh made sure to let us know that she was not there as Press Secretary. Maybe they've agreed to stop talking nonsense in the White House briefing rooms? They haven't been against doing campaign related stuff from the White House previously.
Although it was a step up from the landscaping place.
So this is why Russia, China, Brazil, Mexico, Turkey and other countries that haven't yet acknowledged Biden.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/barr-elections.html
I doubt that is why :)
Then this....
https://youtu.be/5hZAjFX8_9E
"Binden", lol
Co-Founder & President of RealClearPolitics ->
https://twitter.com/TomBevanRCP/status/1325973800891150336
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1325968319573233664
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 10, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
Then this....
https://youtu.be/5hZAjFX8_9E
Nope:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/state/pa/president/
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 10, 2020, 11:41:21 AM
Then this....
https://youtu.be/5hZAjFX8_9E
Definitely not that!
(That's my YouTube algorithm ruined for a few days!)
Here's a better source for you to go to for your election result updates Kurt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZVCkCawUoI
Tucker (sexy fucker).....
https://fb.watch/1GeHHyYkYL/
The only way Biden is stepping into the White House on January 20th is if he takes up the janitor job. Or spray tan booth technician or something.
DEAL WITH IT.!!
Two faced much....?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/mcconnell-well-have-no-lectures-from-those-who-spent-4-years-refusing-to-accept-2016-election?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwbrand
Jesus lad. I hope your regular life and ways of obtaining information is a far cry from your trolling/piss taking life here.
It is amazing how the dichotomy between "stop the count" in places X, Y, Z and "it's not over yet" in places U, V, W isn't causing aneurysms of cognitive dissonance. But then, those not conceding are apparently wired for dissonance.
The lad is in fine form on Twitter there today. He genuinely seems to think this will stick.
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 10, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
Jesus lad. I hope your regular life and ways of obtaining information is a far cry from your trolling/piss taking life here.
Pray tell, brother rabbit. What IS regular life?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/10/johnsons-biden-win-tweet-contains-hidden-trump-congratulations
Jaysis, talk about a non story. Clear what happened there with them having two versions...what's funny of course is the laziness in how they had it formatted/designed and leading to this fuck up.
Was undecided whether to put this in the covid thread, the conspiracy theory thread or the are we all fucked, but here will do nicely although the discussion should probably take place in one of the other threads I mentioned.
https://twitter.com/_Klaus_Schwab/status/1326056683848785920
Look at the rest of his tweets for extra ah fuck points
Edit: The more I look at it, the more I think that account can't be real... It's playing into my worst fears way too much
Quote from: astfgyl on November 10, 2020, 07:04:51 PM
Was undecided whether to put this in the covid thread, the conspiracy theory thread or the are we all fucked, but here will do nicely although the discussion should probably take place in one of the other threads I mentioned.
https://twitter.com/_Klaus_Schwab/status/1326056683848785920
Look at the rest of his tweets for extra ah fuck points
This was pretty funny till I got to the mad racist bits.
Yeah I walked into that one and thought it was real for 2 minutes. Well done to the author. :-[
Hahahaha. was about to go point it out, sure look. I see now in your edit you spotted it, it's basically a perfect list of buzzwords etc.
The Great Reset does indeed have an ominous ring to it, however, whether that was the intention or not.
The Great Reset does indeed give me the willies but I need to be a bit more critical of the things that are sent to me. Lesson learned
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 10, 2020, 05:22:21 PM
Jaysis, talk about a non story. Clear what happened there with them having two versions...what's funny of course is the laziness in how they had it formatted/designed and leading to this fuck up.
Haven't read the accurately described non story, but I suppose it is an echo of other things Johnson is famous for having had two response ready to go for.
Seosamh O'McBíden.... :laugh:
Will yiz ever phuck off with small time Irishness.
Gawd I really want to flog all the Irish 'media' into oblivion.
Anyways, we won't be talking about him for much longer when ♥️Big Donnie takes back his rightful White House throne.
Just read this on a German news site
QuoteA recent poll showed the worry is still strong. Trump took the top spot this year as the greatest source of German fear for the second time since 2018 in the survey conducted by insurance firm R+V. A total of 53 percent said they believe his policies make the world a more dangerous place.
Can anyone tell me which policies he has that are so bad? I get he is not popular but that seems a bit extreme for him to be polling as the greatest source of German fear. What sort of propaganda have they been fed that I've missed?
Quote from: astfgyl on November 14, 2020, 11:42:11 AM
Just read this on a German news site
QuoteA recent poll showed the worry is still strong. Trump took the top spot this year as the greatest source of German fear for the second time since 2018 in the survey conducted by insurance firm R+V. A total of 53 percent said they believe his policies make the world a more dangerous place.
What sort of propaganda have they been fed that I've missed?
Probably it something to do with what's known as Vergangenheitsbewältigung. Donald probably reminds them of the past with some of his rehtoric, which emboldens far right groups in America.
The angstiest people you'll ever meet. They literally invented the concept.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 14, 2020, 11:42:11 AM
Just read this on a German news site
QuoteA recent poll showed the worry is still strong. Trump took the top spot this year as the greatest source of German fear for the second time since 2018 in the survey conducted by insurance firm R+V. A total of 53 percent said they believe his policies make the world a more dangerous place.
Can anyone tell me which policies he has that are so bad? I get he is not popular but that seems a bit extreme for him to be polling as the greatest source of German fear. What sort of propaganda have they been fed that I've missed?
Installing coal magnates as the Head of the EPA. Current Head Andrew Wheeler lobbied against limits on greenhouse emissions. The Best people.
Charlottesville where the are good people on both sides. Multiple tax breaks for the rich. Separating children from parents and keeping them in cages. I could go on and fucking on.
Is it not true that those cages are a product of the Obama administration? The coal magnate as head of EPA was a dicey one indeed but I guess he looks at it from a purely business perspective and figures the US needs it's own coin rather than relying on foreign investment as its' main source of profit. Not great but not worthy of the title the Germans have placed on him.
"you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides." Not clever, but could be seen as attempting not to alienate entire groups due to the actions of a minority. Could be, but very poorly executed indeed.
I still don't see why the Germans see him as the source of their greatest fears. I think whether him or Biden won, the US is on thin ice and I'm curious as an outside observer how the reporting is so one sided in worldwide national media. Of course I could find the good Trump stories on certain sites but it is obvious how partisan those ones are where the ones which purport to be impartial are anything but.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 14, 2020, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 14, 2020, 11:42:11 AM
Just read this on a German news site
QuoteA recent poll showed the worry is still strong. Trump took the top spot this year as the greatest source of German fear for the second time since 2018 in the survey conducted by insurance firm R+V. A total of 53 percent said they believe his policies make the world a more dangerous place.
Can anyone tell me which policies he has that are so bad? I get he is not popular but that seems a bit extreme for him to be polling as the greatest source of German fear. What sort of propaganda have they been fed that I've missed?
Installing coal magnates as the Head of the EPA. Current Head Andrew Wheeler lobbied against limits on greenhouse emissions. The Best people.
Charlottesville where the are good people on both sides. Multiple tax breaks for the rich. Separating children from parents and keeping them in cages. I could go on and fucking on.
Are you still quoting that Charlottesville thing which has been debunked for months? All the news networks just deleted the part where he said 'I'm not talking about white supremacists or Nazis, I condemn them' right after that quote you, well, quoted. In fact, it was part of the same quote.
He should have done the same for those pimple-faced lesbian vegans on the other side. Cowardly gang of cunts.
Watch to the end https://youtu.be/3nYLSAgj0Hk
Do your homework and don't become Ducky V2.0!
See that's the sort of thing I'm getting at. Saw a whole piece based around the quote in The Atlantic with no mention of the rest of what he said but plenty of mention of the leftists' horrified reaction to his misconstrued comments. As I say, I'm pretty impartial when it comes to this but it looks like poor reporting to me and not of the accidental kind.
The media hated and continues to hate Trump, for the most part, and it's a profession with very little credibility these days because of the complete lack of integrity they endlessly demonstrate. I don't blame Ollkiller for believing that shite, the truth was actively concealed from the public. It's not an isolated incident either.
Quite a few of them will be stuck for a story if Trump's legal challenge fails.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 03:00:55 PM
Are you still quoting that Charlottesville thing which has been debunked for months? All the news networks just deleted the part where he said 'I'm not talking about white supremacists or Nazis, I condemn them' right after that quote you, well, quoted. In fact, it was part of the same quote.
He should have done the same for those pimple-faced lesbian vegans on the other side. Cowardly gang of cunts.
Watch to the end https://youtu.be/3nYLSAgj0Hk
Do your homework and don't become Ducky V2.0!
Isn't that press conference his "explainer" of his initial comments in which he didn't qualify? That whole thing was a clusterfuck, but it's not true that anyone quoting it at the time was "leaving out a bit": they were quoting his original comments.
You obviously didn't watch the video which debunks that and proves that it was a fabricated 'clusterfuck'.
I invite you to educate yourself on the matter by doing so.
If one misspeaks, for want of a better word, only to clarify ones position in the exact same conversation, it's childish in the extreme to beat the man with a sentence which is bereft of the clarification.
I'm intrigued to see how you will avoid saying 'fair enough' on this yin.
I did watch the video, even though I've seen it before. I'm saying that this video is a few days after the fact, and what caused the real outrage is what he said on the day itself, and that he took a couple of days to explicitly condemn white supremacists.
Which comments? Can you be specific?
Even if it was a couple of days (I'm not sure if you're confusing this with something he did or didn't say in the first debate), it's completely laughable to bleat on and on about when he has, on various occasions, condemned Nazis and what have you.
Here you have an article which debunks Biden's claims as well as a transcript of that interview which exonerates Trump from the inaccurate accusations .
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/
The timeline is that on the 12th Trump was signing Veterans Affairs Choice and Quality Employment Act of 2017 and made remarks about Charlottesville. He doesn't mention fine people this day, but they were not happy with him saying violence from both sides I think.
Transcript: https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/aug/14/context-president-donald-trumps-saturday-statement/
Then on the 15th while signing another executive order is asked about Charlottesville, which is the video above where he uses the Fine People quote.
Transcript: https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn't put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
and after some back and forth says the neo nazi bit:
"So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people -- and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."
There was violence on both sides. It's indisputable.
There you go. The Charlottesville Trump hoax.
Re the violence, only one side had driven a car into a crowd of the other side.
Re the fine people, who? It was an event organized by white nationalists, neo-fascists, etc. It wasn't a "protest the removal of this statue" event, it was a "Unite The Right" event. Maybe, by accident, there were some people there not interested in the views of David Duke, Richard Spencer, and company, but that's who organized it. If you want to split hairs that way, maybe there were some fine people in the German army when it invaded Poland. Okay, but, eh, kinda missing the point, no?
When you remove the white supremacists/neo-nazis from the Unite the Right rally on the 12th though, are we left with many people?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 14, 2020, 06:25:58 PM
Re the violence, only one side had driven a car into a crowd of the other side.
Re the fine people, who? It was an event organized by white nationalists, neo-fascists, etc. It wasn't a "protest the removal of this statue" event, it was a "Unite The Right" event. Maybe, by accident, there were some people there not interested in the views of David Duke, Richard Spencer, and company, but that's who organized it. If you want to split hairs that way, maybe there were some fine people in the German army when it invaded Poland. Okay, but, eh, kinda missing the point, no?
Exactly. And only a month previous the Ku Klux Klan organised protest of the removal happened in Charlottesville.
1 guy drove the car, hardly fair to tar anyone else with that brush, regardless of what side they were on, or what their political opinions are.
That German army comment...my toes are curling.
Pete, do you have a roll call of the attendees and an in-depth psychiatric report on their political affiliations? Probably not. Idle speculation.
Your sentence about the KKK makes no sense, Pete. Sorry.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 06:37:10 PM
Pete, do you have a roll call of the attendees and an in-depth psychiatric report on their political affiliations? Probably not. Idle speculation.
Actually...
https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/896178257615351813
Read the "roll call" of organizers and speakers on the second page closely.
Totally useless, it's an 'estimate' made in advance of the rally.
Come on lad :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 06:37:10 PM
That German army comment...my toes are curling.
See a podiatrist then:
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 06:37:10 PM
1 guy drove the car, hardly fair to tar anyone else with that brush, regardless of what side they were on, or what their political opinions are.
That German army comment...my toes are curling.
Pete, do you have a roll call of the attendees and an in-depth psychiatric report on their political affiliations? Probably not. Idle speculation.
Your sentence about the KKK makes no sense, Pete. Sorry.
I don't but we know who organised it, a rubbish link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Kessler, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
And we know others who were at it.
I know what you are saying that I don't know everyone who was there, which is fair enough, but I'd be thinking why would you be there? You know?
I just mentioned the KKK one as they were involved in the August one too. And the organisers of the July one.
You're kind of reaching here. It's the analogy I was mocking.
In any case those look like confederate soldier sin the first one, and the second looks more Soviet than Nazi-era German.
By the way, the majority of the rockstars on those posters are cranks and screwballs, in my opinion, and their politics are for the most part daft and unrealistic. A bit like Marxism. Nevertheless, they are entitled to their opinions, and shouldn't be crucified for them. Neither should you be.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 06:43:09 PM
Totally useless, it's an 'estimate' made in advance of the rally.
Come on lad :)
The point is the functions and titles of the people making the estimates based upon their followers: the word "wizard" appears more than once, but I'd invite you to look up any of the other names you're not familiar with. I, a white supremacist or neo-fascist, estimate that X number of my followers will be there. It was organized by and open by invitation to the KKK, white supremacists, neo-fascists, etc. Explicitly. On what basis did Trump apparently "know" there were "fine people" there? The burden of proof is on him.
Yeah, a bunch of right wing guys were there, of varying degrees of 'extremity'.
I meant the KKK sentence didn't make sense in that I didn't understand what you were trying to say.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 06:51:08 PM
Yeah, a bunch of right wing guys were there, of varying degrees of 'extremity'.
I meant the KKK sentence didn't make sense in that I didn't understand what you were trying to say.
Ah sorry yeah. Just meant we know the type of person who was organising these protests.
Trump was, I think quite obviously, trying to find a way to placate everyone, knowing with 99% certainty that the rally attendees were his voters. It was always going to be difficult to balance condemnation and sycophancy, but apparently he did just a good enough job to hoodwink his die-hard supporters.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 14, 2020, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 06:43:09 PM
Totally useless, it's an 'estimate' made in advance of the rally.
Come on lad :)
The point is the functions and titles of the people making the estimates based upon their followers: the word "wizard" appears more than once, but I'd invite you to look up any of the other names you're not familiar with. I, a white supremacist or neo-fascist, estimate that X number of my followers will be there. It was organized by and open by invitation to the KKK, white supremacists, neo-fascists, etc. Explicitly. On what basis did Trump apparently "know" there were "fine people" there? The burden of proof is on him.
If you can find such a list of people who were there, rather than being 'estimated', I'll gladly cede ground.
You are shifting the goalposts a bit now. The media did Trump up like a kipper, and deliberately omitted the part where he said he condemns Nazis. The burden of proof is in him? The implication being that anyone with a political opinion which you find abhorrent is evil? You're asking the impossible. Of course, you are, as usual, incapable of recognising a blatant media hoax which tried to portray Trump as some kind of Nazi apologist.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 06:49:43 PM
You're kind of reaching here. ...
In any case those look like confederate soldier sin the first one, and the second looks more Soviet than Nazi-era German.
By the way, the majority of the rockstars on those posters are cranks and screwballs, in my opinion, and their politics are for the most part daft and unrealistic. A bit like Marxism. Nevertheless, they are entitled to their opinions, and shouldn't be crucified for them. Neither should you be.
If I'm reaching, what was all that??
I'm not saying anyone should be crucified, I'm saying Trump was justifiably attacked for describing any of them as "fine people". They are, as you put it, cranks and screwballs, but more or less dangerous ones.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 14, 2020, 06:53:54 PM
Trump was, I think quite obviously, trying to find a way to placate everyone, knowing with 99% certainty that the rally attendees were his voters. It was always going to be difficult to balance condemnation and sycophancy, but apparently he did just a good enough job to hoodwink his die-hard supporters.
Yes he's defo a win at any costs kind of guy. I like when he goes with the "i know nothing" approach!!
Tapper, Feb. 28: I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage. Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?
Trump: Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke. OK? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know.From https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 14, 2020, 06:56:57 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 06:49:43 PM
You're kind of reaching here. ...
In any case those look like confederate soldier sin the first one, and the second looks more Soviet than Nazi-era German.
By the way, the majority of the rockstars on those posters are cranks and screwballs, in my opinion, and their politics are for the most part daft and unrealistic. A bit like Marxism. Nevertheless, they are entitled to their opinions, and shouldn't be crucified for them. Neither should you be.
If I'm reaching, what was all that??
I'm not saying anyone should be crucified, I'm saying Trump was justifiably attacked for describing any of them as "fine people". They are, as you put it, cranks and screwballs, but more or less dangerous ones.
Any of who? It's already been established that you do not know who was there, and he disavowed the Nazi and White Supremacist element. I mean, what do you want? Justifiably attacked? I respectfully disagree. The media, or most of it, and people who swallow it, will use anything, the sniff, the essence of anything, to discredit Trump.
In the words of my man TC, 'this is a serious question'.
Do you think the hoax created by CNN and pals was in fact not a hoax? And they were right to omit his vehement disavowal of Nazis?
On what factual basis (since apparently that's what Trump was waiting for, facts) does one assert that, at a rally explicitly and solely organized by and advertised to neo-fascists and white supremacists, there were in fact some "fine people" who were not neo-fascists or white supremacists? In other words, who were neither organizers nor in the target audience of the organizers?
Have you seen all of the advertisements? What is a Neo-Fascist?
And have you ever considered a career in politics? You certainly talk like one.
Regardless, this is missing the point. CNN, MSNBC and others deliberately omitted the part of the conference when he disavowed Nazis. Joe Biden propagated this hoax. Do you think Trump was treated unfairly, knowing these facts?
71 million people voted for Trump in this election. A tiny microscopic element of them might have a swastika tattoo or shaved head. As in real life, they're few and far between. Fucking smoke and mirrors, media hysteria that some of you seem to lap up without question.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/opinion/trump-biden-nation-divided.amp.html
Trump wanted to avoid pissing them off, because he loves being loved, and perhaps because he himself initially overestimated their number. He got what was coming to him over it from the media. The only clouded judgements here are those defending Trump. Personally, I'm not defending anyone; all the media play to their audience, as does Trump. He fucked up here, it went against him, he bounced back. I've repeated loads of times I don't think he's a fascist himself; I might actually respect him more if he was, that old bible verse about better hot or cold than lukewarm, y'know.
I remember after the 2016 election, The Young Turks panellist saying 'I can't believe 60 million Americans have voted for a man who is driven almost completely by racial hatred'. A 'journalist' on a channel with 5 million odd subscribers. Mystifying.
Another Vox video going on about how Orwell would have voted for Clinton 😂😂😂😂😂.
Pete, 71 million THOUGHT CRIMINALS voted for Trump.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 14, 2020, 09:47:14 PM
Trump wanted to avoid pissing them off, because he loves being loved, and perhaps because he himself initially overestimated their number. He got what was coming to him over it from the media. The only clouded judgements here are those defending Trump. Personally, I'm not defending anyone; all the media play to their audience, as does Trump. He fucked up here, it went against him, he bounced back. I've repeated loads of times I don't think he's a fascist himself; I might actually respect him more if he was, that old bible verse about better hot or cold than lukewarm, y'know.
That is a vile, odious fart masquerading as a point.
I think I'm okay with you perceiving my opinion of Trump as vile and odious.
The normally slick, verbose post machine has blown a gasket judging by the confusing drivel in your last post, that's all. Take it in to the shop and check the alternator!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 09:50:47 PM
I remember after the 2016 election, The Young Turks panellist saying 'I can't believe 60 million Americans have voted for a man who is driven almost completely by racial hatred'. A 'journalist' on a channel with 5 million odd subscribers. Mystifying.
And even if he was a man driven by racial hatred most of them are voting for the guy with the R beside his name anyway.
I can't imagine Biden has 78 million fans that have come out of the woodwork all of a sudden!
You're all missing the point constantly. Trump was a shot in the dark. Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, they're all the establishment. They have fucked America over to such a degree that 71 million people still came out and voted for the least presidential president that has ever existed. A massive propoganda and PR machine was brought into play to make sure he didn't get back in and that the established players and rules were reintroduced. Trump is not the point. The point is that 71 million people feel so disenfranchised and left out of the system that they voted for him in the first place.
Irish people celebrating his expulsion is so fucking typical of how brainwashed we are by American culture and media. We get one side of yhe story constantly in our mainstream. None of you have any clue as to what is going on over there currently. It's as haughty as some yank coming over here and telling us all how we should be living our lives. Total wish-wash the lot of it.
Quote from: pete on November 14, 2020, 10:33:05 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 09:50:47 PM
I remember after the 2016 election, The Young Turks panellist saying 'I can't believe 60 million Americans have voted for a man who is driven almost completely by racial hatred'. A 'journalist' on a channel with 5 million odd subscribers. Mystifying.
And even if he was a man driven by racial hatred most of them are voting for the guy with the R beside his name anyway.
I can't imagine Biden has 78 million fans that have come out of the woodwork all of a sudden!
Tonnes of Republicans can't stand Trump. He slaughtered the likes of Ted Cruz and Geb Bush and despite what these guys might be saying in front of the camera, they're absolutely delighted he's gone. The CIA, the FBI, the entire mainstream media, big tech, the social media giants all came out against him. He was silenced, scrutinised to microscopic levels..why? Because a lot of people were deeply uncomfortable with how he rocked the boat. They've succeeded for now, but 71 million people can see through the BS and the penny will drop for a whole lot of others in the not too distant future.
Watch how Fine Gael and the establishment manufactures consent in Ireland and then amplify that to US levels. The media, the rushing through of policies. The lack of any 'discourse' on massive issues that people feel really strobgly about. When was the last time Irish people were asked about anything other than a long overdue abortion referendum and gay marriage? Important issues but far from the most important things that affect daily life. It's the same craic, just wrapped up in a different package, with a nice string attached to it and we fall for it constantly, because they've gotten so good at manipulation now that we believe we're being rebellious in consenting..genius really.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 15, 2020, 12:18:42 AM
Quote from: pete on November 14, 2020, 10:33:05 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2020, 09:50:47 PM
I remember after the 2016 election, The Young Turks panellist saying 'I can't believe 60 million Americans have voted for a man who is driven almost completely by racial hatred'. A 'journalist' on a channel with 5 million odd subscribers. Mystifying.
And even if he was a man driven by racial hatred most of them are voting for the guy with the R beside his name anyway.
I can't imagine Biden has 78 million fans that have come out of the woodwork all of a sudden!
The CIA, the FBI, the entire mainstream media, big tech, the social media giants all came out against him. He was silenced, scrutinised to microscopic levels..why? Because a lot of people were deeply uncomfortable with how he rocked the boat.
Are you saying the CIA and FBI etc came out against him because of rocking the boat or am I reading that wrong?
When you say rocked the boat what's example of some?
Anyway in these troubling divided times in the U S of A. Tucker has some perspective!
https://twitter.com/iamCiaraKing/status/1327833930347778049
Quote from: pete on November 15, 2020, 10:05:26 AM
Anyway in these troubling divided times in the U S of A. Tucker has some perspective!
https://twitter.com/iamCiaraKing/status/1327833930347778049
As far as propaganda goes, that is simply sublime.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 15, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: pete on November 15, 2020, 10:05:26 AM
Anyway in these troubling divided times in the U S of A. Tucker has some perspective!
https://twitter.com/iamCiaraKing/status/1327833930347778049
As far as propaganda goes, that is simply sublime.
I have to agree. I'm amazed he can keep a straight face, it's almost proto-Soviet! I normally lap that cunt up but it's times like this when his haters may have a point. Cringe!
https://youtu.be/y0YTM8iO4_s
Love this fella. Savage bit where he roasted Rudy and compared him to the penguin. That buck has great rants calling out nearly everyone.
I'm a fan of Pie here as well. Here's another great blistering rant on identity politics:
https://youtu.be/p9_bI789Gog
"I guess I voted against the other one, really."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlECoataVLU
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 16, 2020, 09:11:23 AM
"I guess I voted against the other one, really."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlECoataVLU
Brilliant.
Wouldn't the republicans have been smarter to find bad votes or dead voters that were for Trump instead and work with convincing everyone that it all needed a hand recount and check because they only want legal votes counted. They could have taken the altruistic stance and still got what they wanted. Send in a load of dodgy votes for themselves and then use those to cast doubt if they didn't win
Quote from: astfgyl on November 16, 2020, 05:36:06 PM
Wouldn't the republicans have been smarter to find bad votes or dead voters that were for Trump instead and work with convincing everyone that it all needed a hand recount and check because they only want legal votes counted. They could have taken the altruistic stance and still got what they wanted. Send in a load of dodgy votes for themselves and then use those to cast doubt if they didn't win
So basically commit fraud to find fraud. But wouldn't they then just find their own fraud?
Talk of him running in 2024. Lovely stuff :)
Sure he'll be even older at that point than Biden is now
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 16, 2020, 05:58:43 PM
Talk of him running in 2024. Lovely stuff :)
Probably as an independent and spilt the republican vote. Now of course he could get the republican nomination again.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 16, 2020, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 16, 2020, 05:36:06 PM
Wouldn't the republicans have been smarter to find bad votes or dead voters that were for Trump instead and work with convincing everyone that it all needed a hand recount and check because they only want legal votes counted. They could have taken the altruistic stance and still got what they wanted. Send in a load of dodgy votes for themselves and then use those to cast doubt if they didn't win
So basically commit fraud to find fraud. But wouldn't they then just find their own fraud?
Yeah I was just bollixing, but we all knew coming into this that if Trump lost he would call fraud. Now I think that some of the claims have foundation, especially the ones around the glitches in the voting machine software but I don't think anything will come of it and there is equal chance that had Trump won, there could be equally valid concerns laid at the door of the republicans. I'm not favouring one over the other with the argument but I personally wouldn't trust anything other than proper paper ballot, in-person voting. Even that can be scammed to a certain extent, but has nothing on the potential of mail-in or e-voting.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 16, 2020, 05:58:43 PM
Talk of him running in 2024. Lovely stuff :)
Doesn't he have to lose this one first?
Hang on, it turns out that beyond half of the legal fund donations going to repay campaign debt, apparently all individual donations below $8,000 go straight into repaying that debt. Well no fucking wonder he's not conceding! The scam must play out as long as possible! Ah well, elect a glorified Swiss Tony, expect to be sold a cut-and-shut.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 17, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Hang on, it turns out that beyond half of the legal fund donations going to repay campaign debt, apparently all individual donations below $8,000 go straight into repaying that debt. Well no fucking wonder he's not conceding! The scam must play out as long as possible! Ah well, elect a glorified Swiss Tony, expect to be sold a cut-and-shut.
Yup.
And even though the law suits keep getting thrown out, 'ol millionaire Joe Biden is after a few quid to fight them!?
https://joebiden.com/presidency-for-all-americans/
"Donald Trump is doubling down on lawsuits. We need to be able to afford the legal battles ahead, and ensure Trump doesn't win them just because we don't have the funds to fight back. Will you donate directly to the Biden Fight Fund right now so that we can pay for the new round of legal resources for our campaign and for Democrats across the country?"
Presumably he'll give it back to me when he realises he doesn't need it for Trump's and Rudy's nonsense.
Or...
"Contributions to Biden Fight Fund from persons/multicandidate committees shall be allocated in the following order:
$142,000/$60,000 the DNC, $2,800/$5,000 to the Biden for President Recount Account, and any additional funds to the DNC, subject to applicable contribution limits.
The allocation formula above may change if following it would result in an excessive contribution. A contributor may designate his or her contribution for a particular participant by contacting contact@joebiden.com.
Contributions will be used in connection with federal elections, may be spent on any activity as each committee determines in its sole discretion, and will not be earmarked for any particular candidate. Federal law requires us to use our best efforts to collect and report the name, mailing address, occupation, and name of employer of individuals whose contributions exceed $200 per election cycle. The Biden Fight Fund does not accept contributions from corporations or their PACs, unions, federal contractors, national banks, those registered as federal lobbyists or under FARA, SEC-named executives of fossil fuel companies, or foreign nationals."
Chancers! :laugh:
Haha, amazing.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 17, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Hang on, it turns out that beyond half of the legal fund donations going to repay campaign debt, apparently all individual donations below $8,000 go straight into repaying that debt. Well no fucking wonder he's not conceding! The scam must play out as long as possible! Ah well, elect a glorified Swiss Tony, expect to be sold a cut-and-shut.
And yet, raising questionable legal funds is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You string 'em along with some half-lies and evasions, mention you need to probe some deep dark holes, and then take all their money.
Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.
It leaves every future election open to dispute. When you have state officials admitting on the news that fraud to some degree will be discovered , you can't but blame the Trump camp. Pollsters have lost all credibility too, and not just in the presidential election. Several republican candidates crushed the opposing democrat despite polls predicting their defeat.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 06:50:32 AM
When you have state officials admitting on the news that fraud to some degree will be discovered , you can't but blame the Trump camp.
Link?
Go on Android Zuckerberg, shut Facepoop down...
https://youtu.be/pOdrPruSnrw
That was...disappointingly dull.
Yep, needed a few smoke bombs and firecrackers I thought.
At the very least! Zuckerberg should have made the most of the video call possibilities and had this image displaying behind him:
(https://newbreedco.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/matrix-fields-and-towers-of-bodies2.jpg)
I really enjoy watching them. Talk about being out of your depth. An awful waste of everyone's time.
Obviously there are issues that need to be addressed with these large tech companies but the republicans in the senate are just upset that they can't spread lies and misinformation. And if they could control these platforms and the information shared on them they would be only delighted. They'd love us all to believe in Hunter Biden's laptop and that Donald won the election.
But I love how they often descend into tech support with silly questions from Cruz, Graham and others about their emails and search results!
There was one a couple of years ago, Steve King asking Google's Pichai :
King: "I have a seven-year-old granddaughter who picked up her phone during the election, and she's playing a little game, the kind of game a kid would play, And up on there pops a picture of her grandfather. And I'm not going to say into the record what kind of language was used around that picture of her grandfather, but I'd ask you: how does that show up on a seven-year-old's iPhone, who's playing a kid's game?"
Pichai: "Congressman, the iPhone is made by a different company. And so, you know, I mean..."
King: "It might have been an Android. It's just, it was a hand-me-down of some kind"
Pichai: "You know, I'm happy to follow up when I understand the specifics"
A line I've often had to use in work!
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 18, 2020, 07:25:38 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 06:50:32 AM
When you have state officials admitting on the news that fraud to some degree will be discovered , you can't but blame the Trump camp.
Link?
It was on a Tim Pool video, I'll have a look later.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: Nazgûl on November 18, 2020, 07:25:38 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 06:50:32 AM
When you have state officials admitting on the news that fraud to some degree will be discovered , you can't but blame the Trump camp.
Link?
It was on a Tim Pool video, I'll have a look later.
Might be this one? Gabe Sterling, link to timestamp in comments (t=903s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjkY9bxuRNY&t=903s
https://www.wabe.org/claims-of-widespread-voter-fraud-in-georgia-are-unlikely-state-official-says/
"We are going to find that people did illegally vote. There are going to be double voters. There are going to be people who did not have the qualifications of a registered voter to vote in this state. That will be found. Is it 10,353? Unlikely."
Quote from: astfgyl on November 17, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.
Mail in voting has been used for ages in the USA. Between 2000 and 2012 there was 491 cases of fraud in mail in voting out of billions of votes. And it works brilliantly. Just cause Trump cast doubts on it does not mean it is now working. It means he's a sore loser.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 06:50:32 AM
It leaves every future election open to dispute. When you have state officials admitting on the news that fraud to some degree will be discovered , you can't but blame the Trump camp. Pollsters have lost all credibility too, and not just in the presidential election. Several republican candidates crushed the opposing democrat despite polls predicting their defeat.
It does not leave future elections open to dispute. They haven't identified any voter fraud that's outside the normal tiny percentage of fraud. 22 court cases brought so far. 21 dismissed and 1 successful that affected a tiny number of votes. Can I blame the Trump camp. Defo. They lost convincingly but the cry baby won't concede.
Who hasn't identified any voter fraud? You? You claimed that guy Fleccas' claims were debunked but didn't actually explain how. I believe that Biden probably did win the election, but there is quite a stretch to claim that no fraud has been detected.
Here's a snippet from TC https://youtu.be/pUltxSsvgnc
Jesus Christ lad you are so unbelievably biased it's gas. I love Trump, love the man, but there's little doubt he got fewer electoral votes than Biden. That doesn't mean the dark arts weren't being practiced to ensure the result.
What's going on here, are you arguing with yourself :P ^
No. I don't think the fraudulent voting turned the election in favour of Biden, it seems as though he would have won anyway. Nevertheless, there was quite a bit of dodgy carry-on to ensure that Trump would not win.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 04:32:41 PM
Who hasn't identified any voter fraud? You? You claimed that guy Fleccas' claims were debunked but didn't actually explain how. I believe that Biden probably did win the election, but there is quite a stretch to claim that no fraud has been detected.
Here's a snippet from TC https://youtu.be/pUltxSsvgnc
Jesus Christ lad you are so unbelievably biased it's gas. I love Trump, love the man, but there's little doubt he got fewer electoral votes than Biden. That doesn't mean the dark arts weren't being practiced to ensure the result.
I actually said in my post theres always a tiny miniscule bit of voter fraud. In every election. I never said there was no fraud. What I'm saying is it is normal, it's not new in any way and it's been screamed by a cry baby who has no evidence of the widespread fraud he is suggesting.
Biden may have gotten more votes than Obama but most of those votes weren't for him. They were for who he wasn't.. :laugh:
Great record that.... ;D
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 05:40:15 PM
Nevertheless, there was quite a bit of dodgy carry-on to ensure that Trump would not win.
Yup, four years of it!
(Sorry, but that was an open goal... :laugh: :abbath: )
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 04:32:41 PM
Here's a snippet from TC https://youtu.be/pUltxSsvgnc
This is, unsurprisingly, total horseshit. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Tucker Carlson (lol!) because this was posted on the 6th November, but you posting it today? Every single point raised in it has been investigated and rejected, such as why in certain mailed in votes hadn't been counted ahead of time, etc.
Plus, "Don't Let the Ruling Class Get Away With It!" on Rupert Murdoch's Fox News? Bahahaha! The guy is responsible for more propaganda than probably any single person in the history of humanity!
Whatever TC said on the 6th of November, or any other date for that matter, was right then, and it's right now.
And the open goal analogy...I don't need to tell you what we used to do to teams who came down from Wicklow to play hurling challenge matches against us or any other school in Kilkenny, let alone from the Gaelscoil!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
Whatever TC said on the 6th of November, or any other date for that matter, was right then, and it's right now.
You're so unbelievably biased it's gas.
Yes but you see I don't really mean that.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 18, 2020, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 17, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.
Mail in voting has been used for ages in the USA. Between 2000 and 2012 there was 491 cases of fraud in mail in voting out of billions of votes. And it works brilliantly. Just cause Trump cast doubts on it does not mean it is now working. It means he's a sore loser.
How strongly were those ballots audited during those years? I still wouldn't trust it. Certainly wouldn't trust the machines either, not in a million years and regardless of who wins.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 18, 2020, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 17, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.
Mail in voting has been used for ages in the USA. Between 2000 and 2012 there was 491 cases of fraud in mail in voting out of billions of votes. And it works brilliantly. Just cause Trump cast doubts on it does not mean it is now working. It means he's a sore loser.
How strongly were those ballots audited during those years? I still wouldn't trust it. Certainly wouldn't trust the machines either, not in a million years and regardless of who wins.
Everytime a ballot is recounted it's within a few hundred votes. Tons of ballots audited per se over the years. There really is absolutely nothing to Trumps accusations.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
I don't need to tell you what we used to do to teams who came down from Wicklow to play hurling challenge matches against us or any other school in Kilkenny
Asked them what was happening in the civilized world? :P
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 18, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 18, 2020, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 17, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.
Mail in voting has been used for ages in the USA. Between 2000 and 2012 there was 491 cases of fraud in mail in voting out of billions of votes. And it works brilliantly. Just cause Trump cast doubts on it does not mean it is now working. It means he's a sore loser.
How strongly were those ballots audited during those years? I still wouldn't trust it. Certainly wouldn't trust the machines either, not in a million years and regardless of who wins.
Everytime a ballot is recounted it's within a few hundred votes. Tons of ballots audited per se over the years. There really is absolutely nothing to Trumps accusations.
Would you personally trust e-voting?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 18, 2020, 11:22:12 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
I don't need to tell you what we used to do to teams who came down from Wicklow to play hurling challenge matches against us or any other school in Kilkenny
Asked them what was happening in the civilized world? :P
If it's Kilkenny he surely means some Deliverance type of shit
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2020, 11:37:10 PM
Would you personally trust e-voting?
I like you prefer in person voting. And then mail in for people who cant make it to a station to vote. Because of the obvious reason that e-voting is like any computer hardware, prone to attack.
But America has had e-voting for years. And it works.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 18, 2020, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2020, 11:37:10 PM
Would you personally trust e-voting?
I like you prefer in person voting. And then mail in for people who cant make it to a station to vote. Because of the obvious reason that e-voting is like any computer hardware, prone to attack.
But America has had e-voting for years. And it works.
Yeah maybe you're right about mail-in, it's not something I've given any time to thinking about before now tbh. I wonder has the e-voting worked for years though. It puts me in mind of our own e-voting machine fiasco back in the day. Correct me if I'm wrong but was it not refused because it wasn't proved to be secure enough? I also get that most people didn't vote for Biden, just against Trump so it isn't unreasonable to assume the record was set as a protest rather than an endorsement. I dunno though, I dislike both of them and it still feels wrong. I'm neither a left or right supporter btw, I think that a lot of it is marketing and no matter who wins it won't be Joe Soap.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 18, 2020, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2020, 11:37:10 PM
Would you personally trust e-voting?
I like you prefer in person voting. And then mail in for people who cant make it to a station to vote. Because of the obvious reason that e-voting is like any computer hardware, prone to attack.
But America has had e-voting for years. And it works.
Most E-voting in the US is in person voting though?
Quote from: pete on November 19, 2020, 07:40:46 AM
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 18, 2020, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 18, 2020, 11:37:10 PM
Would you personally trust e-voting?
I like you prefer in person voting. And then mail in for people who cant make it to a station to vote. Because of the obvious reason that e-voting is like any computer hardware, prone to attack.
But America has had e-voting for years. And it works.
Most E-voting in the US is in person voting though?
Sure is. Should have clarified. In person by hand ballot is what I prefer but in person e voting is what USA has down for a while and works well.
The definition of e-voting is quite broad! So in person hand ballots like you say are scanned and considered part of e-voting.
"
- Optical scan paper ballot systems: Voters mark their votes by filling in an oval, box, or similar shape on a paper ballot. The paper ballots are scanned either at the polling place or at a central location.[1]
- Direct recording electronic (DRE) systems: DRE systems employ computers that record votes directly into the computers' memory. These interfaces may incorporate touchscreens, dials, or mechanical buttons. The voter's choices are stored by the computer on a cartridge or hard drive. Some DRE systems are also equipped with Voter-Verified Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT) printers, which produce paper records that can be preserved to be tabulated in case of an audit or recount.[1]
- Ballot-marking devices and systems (BMDs): A BMD "allows for the electronic presentation of a ballot, electronic selection of valid contest options, and the production of a human-readable paper ballot, but does not make any other lasting record of the voter's selections." Initially used primarily to accommodate voters with disabilities, BMDs are used by all voters in some locations.[1]
"
This breaks it down by state: https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_state
In person by hand ballot is also susceptible to fraud. Pretty much every method is. Even once they, presumably, start scanning biometric ID cards at time of voting, people will be demonstrating more or less convoluted ways of tricking the system.
Rudy live now.
Case closed, I'm convinced:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1329476009310244864
Quote from: pete on November 19, 2020, 05:37:55 PM
Rudy live now.
Case closed, I'm convinced:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1329476009310244864
At least it's inside and not beside a sex shop. Still a car crash though. Rudy. The gift that keeps on giving.
Part of me thinks that in this clip, it just hit Rudy what happened ha
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1329479957572186122
Quote from: pete on November 19, 2020, 05:45:23 PM
Part of me thinks that in this clip, it just hit Rudy what happened ha
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1329479957572186122
What a gobshyte of a lad. Could have retired years ago with a good name for his work in rejuvenating New York but will go done in infamy.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 19, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
Even once they, presumably, start scanning biometric ID cards at time of voting, people will be demonstrating more or less convoluted ways of tricking the system.
Can't see that ever being brought in, considering how the Dems constantly scream that merely asking for basic ID is voter suppression.
When it comes to speaking to a nation of very distinct states, and even zones within states, sauce for the goose ain't always sauce for the gander:
QuoteRaffensperger [Georgia's Republican top election official and Secretary of State] pointed that around 24,000 Republicans who voted by mail in the state's June 9 primary elections did not vote at all in the general, and said Trump's [anti-mail-in voting] rhetoric could be a reason why.
https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/georgia-top-election-official-says-trump-depressed-his-own-base-2020-11
:'(
https://i.imgur.com/482QDEd.mp4
:laugh: :laugh:
Just no sign of the shitshow slowing down at all...
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1329595108078063619
Sidney should have told Tucker that the documents were on the way to him via Fedex....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/trump-donor-election-fraud-sues-money-back
Every time you link the guardian your stock goes down like my Bitcoin shares Christie!
I'm doing alright then; some here are already bankrupt!
I deleted my Facebook account (freedom!)
Are you coming ? I can swat you aside like the mosquito you are in an arm
Wrestling comp
I will annihilation's you you
Maybe Trump has scrounged enough money to pay off the campaign debts?
https://www.kbtx.com/2020/12/01/ag-barr-no-evidence-of-fraud-thatd-change-election-outcome/
(I have no information about this "kbtx" website, but it isn't the Guardian, isn't CNN, isn't The New York Times or the Washington Post, hell, it's even based in Texas, so hopefully it will avoid any silly diversion tactic commentary...)
He's still not conceding defeat. Total petulance.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 02, 2020, 10:53:33 AM
Quote from: Emphyrio on December 02, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
He's still not conceding defeat. Total legend.
Total Bell End. I see the white house is the most mannerly place to be atm. Everyone going "Pardon me".
Nobody talking about the CNN tapes? More stuff being released tonight.
Very funny seeing CNN throwing a hissy fit by threatening legal action after getting a taste of their own medicine.
Quote from: mickO))) on December 02, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
Nobody talking about the CNN tapes? More stuff being released tonight.
Very funny seeing CNN throwing a hissy fit by threatening legal action after getting a taste of their own medicine.
Didn't see it actually. What's the gist of the CNN tapes.
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 02, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on December 02, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
Nobody talking about the CNN tapes? More stuff being released tonight.
Very funny seeing CNN throwing a hissy fit by threatening legal action after getting a taste of their own medicine.
Didn't see it actually. What's the gist of the CNN tapes.
Project Veritas's James O'Keefe appears to have been listening into CNN conference calls for months. And is planning to release different bits he has recorded each day.
He has released one so far.
I think the gist may be that he has EXPOSED!!! that CNN are... drumroll... bias :laugh:
Quote from: pete on December 02, 2020, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 02, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on December 02, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
Nobody talking about the CNN tapes? More stuff being released tonight.
Very funny seeing CNN throwing a hissy fit by threatening legal action after getting a taste of their own medicine.
Didn't see it actually. What's the gist of the CNN tapes.
Project Veritas's James O'Keefe appears to have been listening into CNN conference calls for months. And is planning to release different bits he has recorded each day.
He has released one so far.
I think the gist may be that he has EXPOSED!!! that CNN are... drumroll... bias :laugh:
No surprise so. I'd love to hear a tape from behind stage of Fox. Inside reports are they are know Trump is an idiot but they don the cap once on air.
45 minutes of doubling down on the bullshit:
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/376615900112093
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 02, 2020, 11:44:00 PM
45 minutes of doubling down on the bullshit:
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/376615900112093
Beautiful speech from a beautiful and honest man.
Gawd bless you President Trump.
45 minutes of total dishonesty. Anybody still making excuses for this lad is as big of a clown as he is.
Does he maybe believe it? Having watched him for a while now I'm thinking he could be that ignorant to what is going on, maths and logic are not his forte.
Since we're discussing bullshit, why not introduce Freud: I reckon it's not impossible that on the ego level his baser id instincts simply won't allow him to accept defeat, despite very occasional flashes of super-ego which seem ever so slightly to nudge him in that direction... before his self-identified alpha-male id pussy grabs his effete ego back into submission, and we get displays like this speech from last night; a spoilt brat attempting to rationalize a temper tantrum.
He is behaving just as I thought he would if he lost. Of course it's his ego, the greatest insult to Donald is to be a loser( that is his favourite insult to throw at his opponents), so he'll never accept he lost.
On a separate note, Nixer, to use wrestling parlance, would make a great heel.
The shitshow just keeps on giving! This is actual footing from an actual senate hearing, not a sketch. This is what they have as "witnesses"? Haha, quality!
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1334311448340795396
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 04, 2020, 09:58:09 AM
The shitshow just keeps on giving! This is actual footing from an actual senate hearing, not a sketch. This is what they have as "witnesses"? Haha, quality!
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1334311448340795396
Another lady witness who was Indian said Chinese people were involved and they all look the same so how can you tell who is who. Fucking amateur hour.
Link https://youtu.be/TVRX9k0jQKk
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 04, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 04, 2020, 09:58:09 AM
The shitshow just keeps on giving! This is actual footing from an actual senate hearing, not a sketch. This is what they have as "witnesses"? Haha, quality!
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1334311448340795396
Another lady witness who was Indian said Chinese people were involved and they all look the same so how can you tell who is who. Fucking amateur hour.
Link https://youtu.be/TVRX9k0jQKk
And she got clapped too. Gawd I love Merica... :laugh:
When even Rudy is leaning over and telling you to shut up you know you're in trouble :laugh:
:laugh: Absolute gobshites.
Christ on a bike, is this election bullshit still going on???
Quote from: Makeshiftatomsmasher on December 06, 2020, 03:47:40 AM
Christ on a bike, is this election bullshit still going on???
Never ending, best comedy since Black Books, unreal.
Yeah it's crazy. And his supporters still turning out last night in Georgia.
Why are these people drawn to such convuluted / conspiracy theory like explanations for things? (COVID, the election etc)
There will be a hole in the nightly comedy schedule when Donald is gone. Satirists will be glad to see the back of him.
Quote from: pete on December 06, 2020, 11:22:11 AM
Yeah it's crazy. And his supporters still turning out last night in Georgia.
Why are these people drawn to such convuluted / conspiracy theory like explanations for things? (COVID, the election etc)
The reality that the world is chaotic is problematic for people. Blaming bogeymen for the world's ills is as old as civilisation
I'm getting a good kick out of reading the republican websites (Breitbart, Gateway Pundit). Some of the evidence looks pretty convincing at a glance but whether it has any actual substance or not I dunno. Must go look and see how the same stories are reported on the dem supporting sites
Quote from: astfgyl on December 06, 2020, 01:36:52 PM
I'm getting a good kick out of reading the republican websites (Breitbart, Gateway Pundit). Some of the evidence looks pretty convincing at a glance but whether it has any actual substance or not I dunno.
The supposed "evidence" is fucking nonsense. The DOJ found no evidence whatsoever of widespread fraud. It's all just a smokescreen to get more grift money for the appeals (actually paying his debts) grift.
There are also GOP leaning sites calling it BS, so don't fall into the trap of thinking this is a question of perspective with some truth somewhere in the middle. The truth is that the claims are bullshit.
I haven't seen anything concrete anyway. Some of the stuff like the video of ballots being pulled out from under a table looks interesting but to me it could be a video of anything so I must read the dem version if there is one. What is the most democrat site for news? A lot of this stuff reminds me of the National Enquirer to be fair to it.
Why are you talking about "a dem version"? That's not what's going on here. Plenty of Republicans are calling BS on this BS!
Ah yeah but I get a kick out of the extremely partisan stuff. There is surely a counter version of the ballots-under-table tale to be found on some extreme left site for my entertainment. It doesn't really matter if some of the republicans also agree that the claims are shite
Quote from: astfgyl on December 06, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
I haven't seen anything concrete anyway. Some of the stuff like the video of ballots being pulled out from under a table looks interesting but to me it could be a video of anything so I must read the dem version if there is one. What is the most democrat site for news? A lot of this stuff reminds me of the National Enquirer to be fair to it.
Guess what they did with the ballots they pulled from under the table. They processed them in the counting machine. About as interesting as dishwater.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/01/politics/georgia-election-official-trump-republicans-violence/index.html
Georgia head of elections telling the president to stop inciting acts of violence. He's also a republican. One of the few republicans with balls.
One of the few republicans with balls. That's a daft statement.
Why are you so biased?
Well said Kev! It's not balls they lack, it's integrity! :P :abbath:
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 06, 2020, 03:21:34 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on December 06, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
I haven't seen anything concrete anyway. Some of the stuff like the video of ballots being pulled out from under a table looks interesting but to me it could be a video of anything so I must read the dem version if there is one. What is the most democrat site for news? A lot of this stuff reminds me of the National Enquirer to be fair to it.
Guess what they did with the ballots they pulled from under the table. They processed them in the counting machine. About as interesting as dishwater.
!This claim about election integrity is disputed.
!Many sources have called this election differently.
Indeed it seems to be the story that they did process those ballots, leading to a massive spike in Biden votes and all while the GOP poll watchers were told to leave the building due to a burst water main. Or so the Gateway Pundit says.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 06, 2020, 05:33:48 PM
Well said Kev! It's not balls they lack, it's integrity! :P :abbath:
If it's just the politicians he's referring to, lacking integrity is not an exclusive club!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 06, 2020, 05:42:34 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 06, 2020, 05:33:48 PM
Well said Kev! It's not balls they lack, it's integrity! :P :abbath:
If it's just the politicians he's referring to, lacking integrity is not an exclusive club!
Hilary Clinton conceded on election night. The orange man child without any evidence of election fraud still hasn't conceded.
I agree with you, all the evidence suggests he's lost.
Nevertheless, I don't see why you need to tar all republicans/conservatives with the same brush because they have different opinions to you.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 06, 2020, 06:31:16 PM
I agree with you, all the evidence suggests he's lost.
Nevertheless, I don't see why you need to tar all republicans/conservatives with the same brush because they have different opinions to you.
I am in no way tarring conservatives with the same brush. The Washington post surveyed the 249 republican members of the house of representatives. Only 27 acknowledged Trump lost. It's the 222 members who wouldn't confirm Trump lost that I'll say haven't the slightest bit of integrity or balls.
I didn't realise you meant house reps when you said republicans.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 06, 2020, 06:52:10 PM
I didn't realise you meant house reps when you said republicans.
To clarify I was using the house of reps as an example. My original comment was aimed at any republican who won't acknowledge Biden won. When he clearly did.
Probably.
We should relax. The world is in good hands...
https://youtu.be/dsODRfCMRoM
Beautiful
Whatever the final outcome (and I don't think the result is a certainty yet), the US is going to be more divided than ever by the end of this absolute shitshow. The fact that 19 states are appealing the result to the supreme court goes to show how divided the place is. I've never seen anything like it.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 09, 2020, 04:52:41 PM
We should relax. The world is in good hands...
https://youtu.be/dsODRfCMRoM
Whoever made that is a genius. So good.
Quote from: astfgyl on December 11, 2020, 11:04:04 PM
Whatever the final outcome (and I don't think the result is a certainty yet), the US is going to be more divided than ever by the end of this absolute shitshow. The fact that 19 states are appealing the result to the supreme court goes to show how divided the place is. I've never seen anything like it.
Its a total shitshow. Might it calm down with someone not stoking flames every day. Hard to say. Leaders shouldn't use the language Trump uses as apparently idiotic people get riled up about what elected politicians say. Hopefully Biden can calm things down a bit. He couldn't do a lot worse in fairness.
Regarding the outcome. It is a certainty. No amount of frankly nonsense lawsuits will stop it. John King on the magic wall called it for Biden. After 3 days of watching his wonderful breakdown of the numbers that's good enough for me.
I agree that the outcome is a certainty, but there will be half of the entire US unwilling to accept it. I said back at the beginning that this will be the new 9/11 and it is certainly turning out that way. Sure imagine if any of the court cases did work, there would be half of the US unwilling to accept that, too.
I don't think America is that divided on Donald's crazy talk of a rigged election!
Let's give them some credit haha
I thought that until I saw all of the Fight For Trump rallies and the fact that 75 million definitely did vote for him. I guess it's mostly to do with the fact that an outgoing president has never had a reaction like this before but a lot of the republican supporters sure do believe it.
And meanwhile, on the "vs Big Tech" side of the thread, I see we finally have a suit taken against Facebook by the Federal government and almost 50 of the states, under anti-trust legislation.
End result should mean Zuck having to get rid of Instagram and WhatsApp at the very least.
Reckon it will stick or is FB too big to fall?
Just reading the highlights on NPR there and it seems that if Zuckerberg fails to defend this one, that a good few other tech giants will have start worrying. It seems like the business practices of these lads have been basically the same since Gates cornered the OS market back in the day.
Quote from: astfgyl on December 13, 2020, 12:21:02 PM
I thought that until I saw all of the Fight For Trump rallies and the fact that 75 million definitely did vote for him. I guess it's mostly to do with the fact that an outgoing president has never had a reaction like this before but a lot of the republican supporters sure do believe it.
Voting for him and believing this nonsense are different things :laugh:
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on December 13, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
And meanwhile, on the "vs Big Tech" side of the thread, I see we finally have a suit taken against Facebook by the Federal government and almost 50 of the states, under anti-trust legislation.
End result should mean Zuck having to get rid of Instagram and WhatsApp at the very least.
Yeah it's interesting isn't it, the FTC ok'd these in 2012 and 2014 and now have issues. Which I guess we should all admit we were wrong, but you'd wonder will they be able to undo it and how it will effect things going forward if they did, but I don't see it going anywhere, I think Facebook will prove enough competition to render these lawsuits useless.
Like the FTC never managed to break up Microsoft so I don't see much here.
But prove me wrong kids!!! Prove me wrong.
https://youtu.be/wEoLwE8CnO0
Legend
When you know that you are still the PRESIDENT ♥️
So Biden is official official...
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-270-electoral-college-vote-d429ef97af2bf574d16463384dc7cc1e
And Trump's sacked Barr, or Barr has said I quit?
Quote from: pete on December 14, 2020, 10:52:18 PM
So Biden is official official...
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-270-electoral-college-vote-d429ef97af2bf574d16463384dc7cc1e
And Trump's sacked Barr, or Barr has said I quit?
Apparently Barr had 'a very nice meeting' with Trump. I'm sure the meeting didn't involve a mass of expletives from the outgoing con man for failing to help him with illegally overturning the election.
Did I read somewhere Trump raised 200 odd million for these lawsuits and only spent 5 mill?
Quote from: Blackout on December 15, 2020, 09:30:02 AM
Did I read somewhere Trump raised 200 odd million for these lawsuits and only spent 5 mill?
Should have spent more of his grift money, maybe his ploy might have worked!
Quote from: Blackout on December 15, 2020, 09:30:02 AM
Did I read somewhere Trump raised 200 odd million for these lawsuits and only spent 5 mill?
I'm sure you did..somewhere
Quote from: Blackout on December 15, 2020, 09:30:02 AM
Did I read somewhere Trump raised 200 odd million for these lawsuits and only spent 5 mill?
Yep, the way the money is allocated means not a lot ends up going to lawsuit fund. He created this Save America PAC:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-save-america-pac-is-raking-in-donations-what-can-that-money-be-spent-on/
and his website details how the money given is allocated:
"Trump Make America Great Again Committee ("TMAGAC") is a joint fundraising committee composed of participating committees Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. ("DJTP"), Save America, and the Republican National Committee ("RNC").
Contributions to TMAGAC or any member committee are not deductible for federal income tax purposes. Contributions to TMAGAC are subject to federal contribution limits and source prohibitions. Federal law requires us to collect and report the name, mailing address, occupation, and employer of each contributor whose contributions aggregate in excess of $200 in a calendar year (RNC, Save America) or election cycle (DJTP).
Contributions to TMAGAC made by an Individual/Federal Multicandidate Political Committee will be allocated according to the following formula:
75% of each contribution first to Save America, up to $5,000/$5,000, then to DJTP's Recount Account, up to a maximum of $2,800/$5,000.
25% of each contribution to the RNC's Operating account, up to a maximum of $35,500/$15,000.
Any additional funds will go to the RNC for deposit in the RNC's Legal Proceedings account or Headquarters account, up to a maximum of $213,000/$90,000.
Notwithstanding this allocation formula, a contributor may designate a contribution for a specific participant or participants. In addition, the allocation formula may change if any contribution would exceed applicable contribution limits.
Donations allocable to DJTFP's Recount Account will be used in connection with any post-election recounts and election contests and not for the purpose of influencing any federal election.
Any monthly recurring contributions received after November 3, 2020, shall be subject to TMAGAC's prevailing allocation formula at the time of receipt.
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Dear lord it reads like the Happy Dude scam Homer pulled in the Simpsons.
Homer was probably more deserving.
Quote from: pete on December 16, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
Homer was probably more deserving.
An inanimate carbon rod is more deserving.
There's a Republican senator who's pushing to pass a law that would turn unauthorized commercial streaming of copyrighted material like an album on YouTube, a video clip on Twitch, or a song in an Instagram story into a felony offense with a possible prison sentence rather than a misdemeanor.
And by pure coincidence, his re-election campaign was largely funded by Sony, Comcast, the Motion Picture Association of America, Viacom, Disney, Warner Music and a whole bunch of other entertainement organisations.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on December 16, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
There's a Republican senator who's pushing to pass a law that would turn unauthorized commercial streaming of copyrighted material like an album on YouTube, a video clip on Twitch, or a song in an Instagram story into a felony offense with a possible prison sentence rather than a misdemeanor.
And by pure coincidence, his re-election campaign was largely funded by Sony, Comcast, the Motion Picture Association of America, Viacom, Disney, Warner Music and a whole bunch of other entertainement organisations.
Reading the bill though it appears to be aimed more at the service providers whose primary service is streaming the copyrighted material.
https://www.tillis.senate.gov/services/files/A30B0C08-FB97-4F90-BB60-43283EB7AF35
Things like IPTV or websites that offer a service that provides copyrighted material.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on December 16, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
There's a Republican senator who's pushing to pass a law that would turn unauthorized commercial streaming of copyrighted material like an album on YouTube, a video clip on Twitch, or a song in an Instagram story into a felony offense with a possible prison sentence rather than a misdemeanor.
And by pure coincidence, his re-election campaign was largely funded by Sony, Comcast, the Motion Picture Association of America, Viacom, Disney, Warner Music and a whole bunch of other entertainement organisations.
Some of those same companies are pushing very left leaning ideals aswell..'supposedly'. We're being pulled both ways by these vested interests. They might shroud it in whatever the latest fad is BLM, Lgbt, but at the end of the day all they give a fuck about is money. So whether it's Republican or Democrat it doesn't matter because the majority of them are bought. That's what's worrying, not what Donald Trump did in a hotel room with a porn star. We're constantly focussed on the wrong thing.
Too right.
Becoming hysterical about Donald Trump and 'equality' , and the resistance to it, is just what these cunts want, not people being able to distinguish the wood from the trees.
As if there wasn't already enough reasons to dislike David Attenborough....
https://www.ladbible.com/news/tv-and-film-david-attenborough-reveals-he-punched-the-air-when-donald-trump-lost-20201219
I bet he did it very slowly. The air probably didn't feel a thing at his age
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 20, 2020, 10:55:36 AM
As if there wasn't already enough reasons to dislike David Attenborough....
https://www.ladbible.com/news/tv-and-film-david-attenborough-reveals-he-punched-the-air-when-donald-trump-lost-20201219
Not very friendly to the environment if he's going around punching it.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 20, 2020, 10:55:36 AM
As if there wasn't already enough reasons to dislike David Attenborough....
https://www.ladbible.com/news/tv-and-film-david-attenborough-reveals-he-punched-the-air-when-donald-trump-lost-20201219
Just another reason to love the man. Fucking Legend.
Him with his millions and millions of air miles wagging his finger at us to tell us how to live our lives.
Yeah, fucking legend alright.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 21, 2020, 02:01:07 PM
Him with his millions and millions of air miles wagging his finger at us to tell us how to live our lives.
Yeah, fucking legend alright.
He is a fucking legend. Spent his whole life living it the way he wanted to. Educated countless millions about the animal kingdom. And in his last days warns us about the how climate change could change life for all subsequent generations. So if u don't like him cause he went on a lot of airplanes off with ya.
Yes boss. Anything you say boss.... :laugh:
It is a fair point though. Fellow who spent his whole life racking up the air miles and living freely as he liked tells us we will all have to change for the future. Easy for him to say when it doesn't apply to him. I still think he is great though. Really sold the magic and magnificence of nature to me over the years.
Quote from: astfgyl on December 21, 2020, 06:14:15 PM
It is a fair point though. Fellow who spent his whole life racking up the air miles and living freely as he liked tells us we will all have to change for the future. Easy for him to say when it doesn't apply to him. I still think he is great though. Really sold the magic and magnificence of nature to me over the years.
Every Irish person of a certain age has spent a class in school watching David Attenborough. And that class (most likely religion class) was more informative than 90 percent of the other classes. The man had a way of explaining things that was was just sublime.
As for the "he can't lecture us as he's flown on planes" argument. I don't give a flying fuck about the credentials of anyone screaming that climate change has to be tackled now. Oh hes been on flights, so what. We need, as a race, to stop the amount of carbon we emit into the air. End of.
Too right. Plant more trees.
Edit: Or stop removing them.
How far do we have to go in reducing the carbon before the levels of oxygen get so high that they are toxic?
https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/why-does-breathing-pure-oxygen-kill-you/
Is it possible that he can start a war with Iran and declare some sort of state of emergency which prevents Biden getting sworn in?
I never thought of that astfygl man. I'll suggest it though.... :laugh:
Love me a bot of Brother Nathanael me does... 8)
https://youtu.be/5LsVYjzajoo
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on December 29, 2020, 02:06:42 PM
Love me a bot of Brother Nathanael me does... 8)
https://youtu.be/5LsVYjzajoo
Based and red pilled
Maga Supporters and Edl should merge and call themselves Maga Rayguns
Anyone think trump will cause much shit on the 6th? Really crazy stuff no matter which angle one looks at it from
Done Don's continuing to piss and moan. He's now on tape begging for Georgia's votes. He's a scrounger, a grifter and a pathetic waste of flesh.
I'm really curious about what he will try last ditch. Also curious about just how strongly do his supporters feel like he was cheated. I feel like he will likely go away but the story will live on in the memories of many of his voters
Quote from: astfgyl on January 04, 2021, 01:12:59 AM
I'm really curious about what he will try last ditch.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/03/trump-georgia-raffensperger-call-biden-washington-post
Don in all his sad glory.
Edit: Longer extracts and full call for anyone curious -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hrN0cP58Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA
Had a listen to that NBC link, cheers! I thought he was just trying to con people in to donating to his "campaign for a fair election" stuff and rile up his base on Twitter, stay relevant etc - but listening to that it sounds like he believes he won (by half a million in Georgia?). Is he reading this stuff himself online, or are his admin coming to him with this stuff.
The more I learn about him, the more I wonder just how dumb he really is.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 04, 2021, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 04, 2021, 01:12:59 AM
I'm really curious about what he will try last ditch.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/03/trump-georgia-raffensperger-call-biden-washington-post
Don in all his sad glory.
Edit: Longer extracts and full call for anyone curious -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hrN0cP58Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA
Yeah no surprise there, either that he made the call or that he got that response. He definitely believes he's been had anyway. I'm not sure he's done anything illegal but it sounds bad enough to probably finish him off
I bet George Bush is happy he's been outshined...
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 04, 2021, 02:47:40 PM
I bet George Bush is happy he's been outshined...
Laughing his hole off he is.
Dunno if it should go here, or in the tinfoil hat thread, but seems El Presidente is considering declassifying all the JFK and UFO stuff, that should go down well.
That would be a bit of fun
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on January 05, 2021, 05:08:33 PM
Dunno if it should go here, or in the tinfoil hat thread, but seems El Presidente is considering declassifying all the JFK and UFO stuff, that should go down well.
Will we find out that the last shot that blew Kennedy's head off was a misfire by a hungover security officer in the car behind?
Class. Do it Donnie...
Amen Ted.....
https://fb.watch/2Ri2UNLZlL/
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 06, 2021, 10:24:23 AM
Amen Ted.....
https://fb.watch/2Ri2UNLZlL/
He has to be the most spineless fuck in Washington. Backs Trump to the hilt after Trump said all that shit about his wife.
Anyway looks like the Democrats are gonna take the 2 seats in Georgia, thereby 're taking control of the Senate. So after 4 years Trump has lost the Presidency, Senate and House of Representatives. So much winning bigly.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 06, 2021, 10:24:23 AM
Amen Ted.....
https://fb.watch/2Ri2UNLZlL/
Those senate hearings are great watching and the twitter call too. Cruz is such a wally!
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 06, 2021, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 06, 2021, 10:24:23 AM
Amen Ted.....
https://fb.watch/2Ri2UNLZlL/
Anyway looks like the Democrats are gonna take the 2 seats in Georgia, thereby 're taking control of the Senate. So after 4 years Trump has lost the Presidency, Senate and House of Representatives. So much winning bigly.
Yes, looking like Donald has drained the swamp like he said and only needed 4 years ha.
I wonder how the Republicans will move forward now. Will there be a split of some kind, or is it even possible in practice?
Quote from: pete on January 06, 2021, 10:50:27 AM
Yes, looking like Donald has drained the swamp like he said and only needed 4 years ha.
I wonder how the Republicans will move forward now. Will there be a split of some kind, or is it even possible in practice?
If there is a split they'll never get back into power. Literally eating themselves from the inside out.
And the retardation of ending the prayer with 'amen' (a Hebrew word meaning solidarity) 'and awomen'
THIS IS EMBARRASSING 😳 😳😳😳😳
No pressure on pence anyway. Looks like trump is trying to say pence has the power to reject the electoral college votes. The march today should be interesting viewing if nothing else
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification&live
El Trumpo currently live. Warbling of a gobshyte live.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 06, 2021, 05:27:48 PM
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification&live
El Trumpo currently live. Warbling of a gobshyte live.
How does he keep repeating the same nonsense over and over!?
Calling out Pence there, when does the electoral count happen ::) He'll go crazy on Twitter tonight.
Quote from: pete on January 06, 2021, 05:52:32 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 06, 2021, 05:27:48 PM
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507744-1/rally-electoral-college-vote-certification&live
El Trumpo currently live. Warbling of a gobshyte live.
How does he keep repeating the same nonsense over and over!?
Calling out Pence there, when does the electoral count happen ::) He'll go crazy on Twitter tonight.
Electoral count is happening right now. Normally this would take just a few hours. But it could rumble on for days if there's objections. Won't make a blind bit of difference to the outcome though.
QuoteTrump supporters have breached the Capitol building, tearing down 4 layers of security fencing and are attempting to occupy the building — fighting federal police who are overrun
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346881968819105792
Brainwashed animals! Or something... :) Humans, I think, yes, that's it, humans being humans.
You two remind of a pair of auld geezers just whipping the absolute shite out of a once proud pony who doesn't get ye to the creamery quick enough.
The neighbours used to tut and feel sorry for the poor beast, but sure the boyz keep putting the boot in even as it wheezes its last.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 06:43:57 PM
You two remind of a pair of auld geezers just whipping the absolute shite out of a once proud pony who doesn't get ye to the creamery quick enough.
The neighbours used to tut and feel sorry for the poor beast, but sure the boyz keep putting the boot in even as it wheezes its last.
Can you imagine what any BLM supporter neighbours would make of some of ye!
I don't think there's anything more unusual about how these Trump supporters are acting today, given the crap they've been fed, than how the black community in Blanchardstown were acting the other day, given the crap they've been fed (a mix of racist abuse and BLM propaganda). But that's just me; do you draw any interesting significant differences??
The difference in people who work for a living and those who never have in swatting away a barrier.
The significant difference is a sense of humour.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 06:43:57 PM
You two remind of a pair of auld geezers just whipping the absolute shite out of a once proud pony who doesn't get ye to the creamery quick enough.
The neighbours used to tut and feel sorry for the poor beast, but sure the boyz keep putting the boot in even as it wheezes its last.
Like a pair of oul wans discussing an out of wedlock pregnancy
Trumps lunatic supporters have now crammed themselves into Capitol buildings to actively riot with arms, not something you see either BLM or Antifa doing. Anyone supporting this pusbag now is not worthy of anyones time.
G'wan lads!
It's looking like an attempted coup d'etat, very naughty.
Time to pack it up.
BLM have done outrageous damage so there is no defending them either.
Antifa are a gang of complete spastics who behave like hyenas, homosexual ones, none of whom would never take anyone even moderately sturdy in a straightener, and are not worth talking about, except in the most contemptuous terms.
Double poste
You pair of idiots are now defending a bunch of criminals. There has now been a woman shot and in critical condition.
I said it was naughty. Very naughty.
That rebel yell would get ye going though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 08:44:46 PM
I said it was naughty. Very naughty.
That rebel yell would get ye going though.
It's so naughty.
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on January 06, 2021, 08:39:19 PM
You pair of idiots are now defending a bunch of criminals. There has now been a woman shot and in critical condition.
A bunch of criminals after one day of being naughty?
And yet, 6 months of the other sly pricks tearing the shit out of everything (small businesses, personal property, etc.) is lauded as being revolutionary or in the case of the MSM..... brushed under the carpet.
Perspective please lad....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 06, 2021, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on January 06, 2021, 08:39:19 PM
You pair of idiots are now defending a bunch of criminals. There has now been a woman shot and in critical condition.
A bunch of criminals after one day of being naughty?
And yet, 6 months of the other sly pricks tearing the shit out of everything (small businesses, personal property, etc.) is lauded as being revolutionary or in the case of the MSM..... brushed under the carpet.
Perspective please lad....
That's your own personal confirmation bias there bud. The BLM protests were legitimate, despite your opinion, which, of course, is your opinion. Maaan.
:laugh:
Protests?
Legitimate?
Shtop lad......
Fact is, your boy Donald whipped up his idiot supporters into a frenzy. He has the right now to be thoroughly denounced by history for incitement to violence. And his supporters will not be remembered as working-class heroes but a bunch of thugs - the same attributation as given by yourselves and others here to BLM and Antifa.
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on January 06, 2021, 08:28:29 PM
Trumps lunatic supporters have now crammed themselves into Capitol buildings to actively riot with arms, not something you see either BLM or Antifa doing. Anyone supporting this pusbag now is not worthy of anyones time.
I don't support him but that's getting a bit carried away. Plenty of perfectly sane people who are as worthy of the time as anyone else in the world do support him. Whether they have been fed a load of shit or not, these people genuinely believe that the election has been stolen and are trying to make a stand over it. No condoning gun violence though unless it's in self defence.
Could something like this lead to the overturning of the 2nd amendment and thus play directly into the hands of the opposition? Not too big of a leap of the imagination I think but then again looking at this shit I wouldn't rule anything out ever again
QuoteThe BLM protests were legitimate, despite your opinion, which, of course, is your opinion. Maaan.
Same point again, the Trump crowd think their protest is legitimate and whether it is or not I dunno but there are plenty who think the BLM was less a legitimate protest than some sort of weird political tool which strangely transcended covid restrictions with little rebuke.
Legitimate? Here's your legitimate.
https://youtu.be/ZqK60iUXfpE
And you accuse others of confirmation bias? My my, Chris must have sorted you out with an extra big dose of the soma.
Re-up day Kristophe?
Same spastics, just on the opposite sides of the same spastic coin. Equally spasticated, though, no doubt.
Yeah I was trying to be fair to them all but yeah
EDIT: Tried to post this using the attachments but it went balls up.
You have to love the BBC. The looters were largely peaceful protesters but the Trump crew are a 'mob running amok'.
At any rate, there was never any possibility of this turning out well for these people storming the place, so it's hard to sympathise with them even if one were broadly 'pro-trump' .
Jaysus resize that lad will ya 'tis a eyesore!
Now turns out the woman shot was a rioter, by police. Of course, it's a tragic thing to happen. Would have been less so though if the Orange Gobshite hadn't lit the match to the gunpowder box of Twitter, and turn the mob loose.
The Doctor-Professor threw Pence under the bus on Twitter there, hilarious. I think that's a new level of pathetic.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 09:28:48 PM
Jaysus resize that lad will ya 'tis a eyesore!
Post edited :laugh:
First time using the attachments on the forum. Obviously didn't go well.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 09:27:32 PM
You have to love the BBC. The looters were largely peaceful protesters but the Trump crew are a 'mob running amok'.
At any rate, there was never any possibility of this turning out well for these people storming the place, so it's hard to sympathise with them even if one were broadly 'pro-trump' .
Yes thank god for the impartial news media!
Quote from: Nazgûl on January 06, 2021, 09:27:28 PM
EDIT: Tried to post this using the attachments but it went balls up.
What a beautiful pose... :laugh:
Class...
Honestly of all the latest developments in news media the fact-checkers have to be the most insidious. On every side of every argument they are fucking rotten.
Why don't they just send in Antifa set to WWE style music, so we can all just watch it like a Royal Rumble. :abbath:
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 06, 2021, 09:20:52 PM
Same spastics, just on the opposite sides of the same spastic coin. Equally spasticated, though, no doubt.
100%
It's neck and neck in the retard Olympics.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 06:43:57 PM
You two remind of a pair of auld geezers just whipping the absolute shite out of a once proud pony who doesn't get ye to the creamery quick enough.
The neighbours used to tut and feel sorry for the poor beast, but sure the boyz keep putting the boot in even as it wheezes its last.
Ya gotta admit though; that pony you were pronouncing dead just a few hours ago has now never been more sprightly!
He's happy out :)
I was referring to Pete and Oll as the pony baters but yes:)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346928882595885058
Don's call to peace is, no surprise, more filled with reiterations of the claim that the election was a fraud than actual calls to peace.
Quote from: Nazgûl on January 06, 2021, 09:38:50 PM
Why don't they just send in Antifa
They are already there, just dressed differently this time.
Also, this time, Trump's message to "them" is "We love you."
Riot Of Violence and Storming With Menace playing as we speak.
Anyone any predictions on where this will end up? I mean it's obvious the result won't be overturned but what then?
Fuck me, where did the yanks get that one from?
Biden will take office, spring will come, the daffodils will bloom and peace, love and harmony will once again be restored to the land. Everyone will live happily ever. In a montage we'll see them all laughing about old Trump's hijinks, ribbing him good naturedly while he reddens slightly, looks down with innocent boyish shame having learnt his lesson, and the polar ice caps will once again begin to freeze over.
The incumbent (emphasis on bent) soon to be ex prez will continue to piss and moan, and fleece his supporters to pay off his impending legal fees and potential bail money, right up until he's chucked out on his ear.
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on January 06, 2021, 10:32:45 PM
The incumbent (emphasis on bent) soon to be ex prez will continue to piss and moan, and fleece his supporters to pay off his impending legal fees and potential bail money, right up until he's chucked out on his ear.
Wishful thinking!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 06, 2021, 10:25:58 PM
Biden will take office, spring will come, the daffodils will bloom and peace, love and harmony will once again be restored to the land. Everyone will live happily ever. In a montage we'll see them all laughing about old Trump's hijinks, ribbing him good naturedly while he reddens slightly, looks down with innocent boyish shame having learnt his lesson, and the polar ice caps will once again begin to freeze over.
This is most likely to happen, done in the style of one of the Ernest films. Specifically Ernest Goes to Africa
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on January 06, 2021, 10:32:45 PM
The incumbent (emphasis on bent) soon to be ex prez will continue to piss and moan, and fleece his supporters to pay off his impending legal fees and potential bail money, right up until he's chucked out on his ear.
Ah no ,something realistic, don't be taking the piss!
Trump and his goon squad are now responsible for a woman's death - the woman who was shot is now dead. Hooray for the Orange Saviour, right? If he'd kept his trap shut, and not incited violence and unrest, that woman would still be alive. What happened today was despicable.
As was clearly demonstrated in the offended thread, it's best to give these things a bit of time for the story to go to social media for distortion therapy and then simply content oneself with the fact that one will most likely be forever none the wiser as to the facts of the story.
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on January 06, 2021, 10:54:50 PM
Trump and his goon squad are now responsible for a woman's death - the woman who was shot is now dead. Hooray for the Orange Saviour, right? If he'd kept his trap shut, and not incited violence and unrest, that woman would still be alive. What happened today was despicable.
The spirit of Ducky lives on, God bless him.
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on January 06, 2021, 10:54:50 PM
Trump and his goon squad are now responsible for a woman's death - the woman who was shot is now dead. Hooray for the Orange Saviour, right? If he'd kept his trap shut, and not incited violence and unrest, that woman would still be alive. What happened today was despicable.
Good man 😂
Funny thing is, it's you lot that are taking those pills. You think he's the guy to sort America out - so far, has he? Nope, just sown division, unrest and dragged his feet about getting out so that his lamebrain supporters will think he was conned, despite ALL the evidence of the election turning towards Biden. America will be made great again - just as soon as he's knocked to the curb.
Uiaoaahhahhhh waaahhhh blleeuuuujgghahahhh yeaahahhhahhhhhhhhh!!!!!
Quote from: astfgyl on January 06, 2021, 10:59:47 PM
As was clearly demonstrated in the offended thread, it's best to give these things a bit of time for the story to go to social media for distortion therapy and then simply content oneself with the fact that one will most likely be forever none the wiser as to the facts of the story.
Well, she is dead, confirmed by law enforcement, and she wouldn't be if she hadn't been storming congress. We'll give it time before deciding just to what extent her storming congress was down to mental health issues though ;)
That is all highly debatable
I'm amazed you're taking law enforcement's word for anything after the hoopla over the other thing.
As for Nail-Bombed, another otherwise sensible poster double dropping those Trump Mitsubishis.
Remember Mitsubishis?
THOSE WERE THE DAYS
I'm disappointed, Kevvo. Did you not have your Leftograph out enough to notice my leanings until now? Yikes.
You're not quite as obvious as Duck-Man or the soma sniffing mid-level sociopath. You were under the radar ya scamp.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 11:20:00 PM
I'm amazed you're taking law enforcement's word for anything after the hoopla over the other thing.
I took law enforcement's word on everything in the other story. Their not infallible, but they're more reliable than something someone heard through WhatsApp.
Did you? Why not just accept their version of events instead of splitting hairs over what kind of bladed weapon yer man was holding?
The presumably white person shot by the peelers was white though. So, yeah? Grandest!
Pelosi says vote will go ahead later tonight. Wonder did Donald have anything up his sleeve for later.
Quote from: pete on January 06, 2021, 11:35:51 PM
Pelosi says vote will go ahead later tonight. Wonder did Donald have anything up his sleeve for later.
A cozy shot of bleach, maybe?
Twitter now removing Donald's tweets.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 11:20:00 PM
I'm amazed you're taking law enforcement's word for anything after the hoopla over the other thing.
As for Nail-Bombed, another otherwise sensible poster double dropping those Trump Mitsubishis.
Remember Mitsubishis?
THOSE WERE THE DAYS
I had a couple of Donald Trumps when they were going and they were a serious banger
Quote from: pete on January 06, 2021, 11:35:51 PM
Pelosi says vote will go ahead later tonight. Wonder did Donald have anything up his sleeve for later.
Grassy knoll, 2 shooters would be perfect for her
Some dutch lad is presently stamping DT's image in a batch and he can charge what he wants, it's basically a guarantee of quality :)
Now there's a horse race astfgyl! Which rumour you want to bet on; she was a Trump supporter and they shot her for nothing, or she was an Antifa infiltrator and she got what she deserved?
No Antifa member has the minerals to do anything alone!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 06, 2021, 11:52:58 PM
Now there's a horse race astfgyl! Which rumour you want to bet on; she was a Trump supporter and they shot her for nothing, or she was an Antifa infiltrator and she got what she deserved?
BOTH!!!
She had a Trump flag as a cape albeit with a belt on so she died doing what she did best, being an idiot. The circus around her recording it had the gall to act shocked.
https://twitter.com/mattmiller757/status/1346944869588230144?s=09
Just filing out of Congress, not a bother on them.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 07, 2021, 12:31:31 AM
She had a Trump flag as a cape albeit with a belt on so she died doing what she did best, being an idiot. The circus around her recording it had the gall to act shocked.
Uncalled for. Whatever else the woman was, she didn't deserve death for participating in a riot incited by Trump.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 07, 2021, 12:31:31 AM
She had a Trump flag as a cape albeit with a belt on so she died doing what she did best, being an idiot. The circus around her recording it had the gall to act shocked.
Was she carrying a butter knife or anything like that?
Quote from: open face surgery on January 07, 2021, 12:31:31 AM
She had a Trump flag as a cape albeit with a belt on so she died doing what she did best, being an idiot. The circus around her recording it had the gall to act shocked.
That's a quare ignorant post.
It's unbelievable that an outgoing president could have so little grace, to the point that he actively incites rioting from his own side. I listen to the Spiked podcast and agree with some things they have to say, even if I find it all a bit too cosy at times. It will be interesting to see how or if they decide to condemn Trump for this considering the lashing they gave the BLM protests.
Incites rioting might be replaced in this case with an act of sedition or treason?
Sitting nicely between Kev and Nail_bombed. Exactly where I'd like to be.
She stormed the fuckin government building of the USA, a country known for, and currently in turmoil due to, trigger happy cops. Whatever her reasons, she's a fuckin idiot.
*was an idiot
'Died doing what she did best, being an idiot' is over the top.
4 dead now on site, but still only the one from shooting incidents. Dead for one man's petulant ego, what an epitaph.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 08:55:36 AM
'Died doing what she did best, being an idiot' is over the top.
This is over the top, but all the fabrications about Nkencho's character on here earlier in the week, you didn't bat an eyelid? Seriously lad...
What's the implication, I am a big racist and I didn't bat an eyelid because he's black?
I don't understand why you are drawing a comparison in the first place, but the sloshing around of the chemicals in your brain are at times beyond comprehension. You're a true crusader for the black man, aren't you?
I never said anything him about being an idiot, I agreed that his shooting was justified, an opinion that I'm entitled to.
Whether he was an idiot or not is not clear or relevant.
Ya, seriously lad.
DECOLONISE THE FORUM!
I couldn't care less you didn't bat an eyelid then, the point is that you are batting an eyelid now, over a MAGA woman who was "asking for" what she got just as much as Nkencho. MAGA supporters being called idiots must be a real trigger for you, it's a funny one compared to things that aren't.
What are you waffling about, I said it was over the top to say she died like what she was, an idiot. You'd swear I'd suggested beatification! I didn't defend her behaviour, but sure this is your patter.
And t'was you lecturing others about confirmation bias?
Jaysus tonight lads, putting IKEA wardrobes together is less frustrating that your mental acrobatics.
Coming from Matt, I thought "idiot" was mild tbh :abbath:
Anyway, back to the vomitous mouth of your hero:
Quote"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!"
I'm surprised there's still a MAGA cap big enough to fit on that head!
Quote from: Pedrito on January 06, 2021, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: pete on January 06, 2021, 11:35:51 PM
Pelosi says vote will go ahead later tonight. Wonder did Donald have anything up his sleeve for later.
Grassy knoll, 2 shooters would be perfect for her
Ah that's a bit over the top now :)
What are the rules in the Left/ Right Mongo Olympics? Is the winner the side with the highest body count or the side that racks up the highest amount of innocent victims?
Lord hear us...
People pissed off and protesting because their political system is corrupt to the core. They've had a year of their towns being burnt, their whole way of life condemned and ridicued and on top of that Covid19. Not saying they're completely right but maybe we could do with some of our lot running a little scared and jumping to attention when we demand it of them instead of feeling like they're locked away in some ivory tower making decisions that nobody has a say in anymore.
As an aside: that looks like John Schaffer from Iced Earth on the RTE website: https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0107/1188171-us-capitol-protest-riot-attack-january-2021-trump-terrorism/
Quote from: astfgyl on January 06, 2021, 11:40:01 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 06, 2021, 11:20:00 PM
I'm amazed you're taking law enforcement's word for anything after the hoopla over the other thing.
As for Nail-Bombed, another otherwise sensible poster double dropping those Trump Mitsubishis.
Remember Mitsubishis?
THOSE WERE THE DAYS
I had a couple of Donald Trumps when they were going and they were a serious banger
I know a lad who pissed himself on those ones he came up so hard.
Proper pills!
:laugh:
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 10:03:36 AM
People pissed off and protesting because their political system is corrupt to the core. They've had a year of their towns being burnt, their whole way of life condemned and ridicued and on top of that Covid19. Not saying they're completely right but maybe we could do with some of our lot running a little scared and jumping to attention when we demand it of them instead of feeling like they're locked away in some ivory tower making decisions that nobody has a say in anymore.
By "our lot" I guess you're referring to Irish politicians, while ignoring that yesterday's situation in the US was precisely the opposite; citizens jumping to attention when their petulant political leader demanded it of them. Several times. And then praised them for doing it. And told them he loved them, as they violently broke laws that can incur sentences up to 20 years. "We love you." Not attacking a Target, or a corner-shop, or a Nike outlet; Capitol Hill! Totally baffled how you can look at that and say that it should be an inspiration for citizens to get powers on the run, when it was literally the highest power of the nation getting citizens on the run on his infantile behalf.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 10:03:36 AM
People pissed off and protesting because their political system is corrupt to the core.
If we're defining a protest as being a peaceful act (at least relatively: marching, picketing, occupying a space without force), then what happened yesterday was NOT a protest, it was a riot. Much like opportunistic muppets looting during BLM was not considered 'protest' by most rational people. In this case, it would seem the core aim of this "protest" was to
break into the Capitol building.
Secondly, as corrupt as their political system may be in many respects, in this case they're "protesting" election results which were
proven to be legitimate and there's nothing to suggest otherwise... unless you're inclined to believe that fellow Republicans, senators and the courts were all in on some big plot to take Trump down undemocratically.
As I said not in complete agreement so don't get your knickers in a twist. I don't see how you distinguish the rampant violence we saw all year from this, but that's maybe a personal thing.
Politics, especially American politics, is completely bought by all those massive corporate interests you hate so much and yet people can't express their discontent? This election, above any other in history, was decided by big tech and big business. The individual has no chance once that industrial complex decides which way it wants people to vote. It was a done deal. So, maybe an oul shot fired and a bit of shouting mightn't do anyone any harm..I'm playing devil's advocate here.
The responses to this are going to be epic. I purposely didn't watch my words when typing :laugh:
So do you think in 2016 big tech and big business decided they wanted Trump to win? Or do you think that four years ago they just decided not to get involved and stood back?
The only difference I see between this looting of the Capitol and the looting by BLM folks, mentioned by Nazgul above, is that this current demonstration of discontent was demanded, sanctioned, praised, and forgiven by the same President who threatened BLM rioters with the toughest sentencing if they touched any federal buildings.
That, and the volumes that this photo from a few months back speaks:
(https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/c_fill,g_auto,w_1200,h_675,ar_16:9/https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F210106172554-03-blm-george-floyd-protests-file.jpg)
You are woke and anti capitalist but woke capitalism is the NWO!
Nice insertion of 'black folks' in there to 'inadvertently' annoy me, dextrously done :)
2016 was an anomoly, a glitch in the system and they pulled out all the stops to make sure it won't happen again. They've got their man in there now, so we can all rest easy now.
BLM and the riots was sanctioned by every second politician, a whole section of the news media, artists, politicians, big tech, big globalist monsters of businesses, even your good self weighed in telling us how wanton destruction, looting and murder was a good thing somehow, so I just see it all as tit for tat. I'm not necessarily condoning it, but I can see how it has come to this.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 10:43:39 AM
You are woke and anti capitalist but woke capitalism is the NWO!
Nice insertion of 'black folks' in there to 'inadvertently' annoy me, dextrously done :)
WOKE capitalism...couldn't have put it any better myself. The idea that anything in the last couple of years was done on impulse is hilarious.
Well if nothing else that was a good evenings entertainment. As was this thread. The pic Chris put up highlights how different the response would have been if BLM had stormed the building. And the video Trump put up to tell people to go home. Christ above.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 10:45:20 AM
2016 was an anomoly, a glitch in the system and they pulled out all the stops to make sure it won't happen again. They've got their man in there now, so we can all rest easy now.
BLM and the riots was sanctioned by every second politician, a whole section of the news media, artists, politicians, big tech, big globalist monsters of businesses, even your good self weighed in telling us how wanton destruction, looting and murder was a good thing somehow, so I just see it all as tit for tat. I'm not necessarily condoning it, but I can see how it has come to this.
Hang on, I didn't say BLM looting was a good thing, I said it was to be expected, and could be understood. Just as it was to be expected that MAGA supporters would attack the Capitol given that Mr.MAGA himself told them to.
Maybe you're right about 2016, but I don't buy it. The Democrats hit out hard at big tech for precisely the opposite; saying that their unregulated systems had allowed the misinformation spread that, supposedly, boosted the Trump vote. There is no reason to believe that big tech was mobilized to ensure a Democrat victory in 2016. Or if they were, then they went at it totally ham-fistedly, when with a few algorithm tweaks, they could have ensured that Trump banners, etc., were seen by primarily all the wrong people. It doesn't add up to think it was a glitch in the system; it was just the system unregulated, wide-open to manipulation. As wide open as social media still is to bullshit advertisers, is how open it was to bullshit of all types four, five years ago. It's only recently that extra scrutiny has been placed on political content, and only political content. But no new technology has been introduced to do that, and if they'd wanted to big tech could have assured a Clinton victory in 2016, relatively easily.
'Unregulated systems' and 'misinformation'.
According to whom?
We've seen so much supposedly valid information this year about all sorts of issues that they didn't bat an eyelid at. Tonnes of wild accusations have been thrown around about the police amongst othere. Seems like unregulatd systems and misinformation only applies in certain circumstances.
BLM were not attempting to enter a government building during a critical part of an election process.
The burning of police stations is another matter, but just keeping it to demonstrations in Washington in line with this one, the heavy riot troops were rolled out. That stinks, to me. There was a woman shot, which is fucked, but she was inside the building at the time and by and large the dispersion tactics OUTSIDE that I saw were nowhere near as heavy-handed as what happened there in the summer. To be clear, that is absolutely the way they should be dispersed, I don't wish violence on them, but it's very difficult for me to view this with anything but suspicion.
Sorry if already posted
https://loudwire.com/iced-earth-jon-schaffer-pro-trump-mob-capitol-photo/
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 11:12:01 AM
'Unregulated systems' and 'misinformation'.
According to whom?
Purely for argument's sake, let's say 'misinformation' is a subjective term (just as Donnie would like it!), and look purely at 'unregulated systems'. My point is that, if big tech had wanted to 'regulate' systems in 2015/2016 in such a way that Trump content reached less of an audience and the wrong type of audience, then they could have done that easily with the social media algorithm technology then already existent. But, on the contrary, Trump content reached an enormous audience, and all the right ones, thanks to what the likes of Cambridge Analytica were able to do. They were able to do that because there was no mobilization by big tech to prevent them doing it. There is no evidence to suggest that Trump won in 2016 "despite" some kind of FB, Twitter, whatever attempt to prevent him winning. If anything, there's evidence (Cambridge Analytica, etc., again) that their hands off approach would essentially gift the electoral battle for social media influenced voters to whoever would end up being the most unscrupulous with the possibilities offered by how social media was regulated (or not) at the time.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 10:43:39 AM
Nice insertion of 'black folks' in there to 'inadvertently' annoy me, dextrously done :)
:laugh:
MOMENT WOMAN IS SHOT AND KILLED IN DC PROTEST.....****,,,,
https://theync.com/moment-in-which-the-woman-is-shot.htm
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 11:12:01 AM
'Unregulated systems' and 'misinformation'.
According to whom?
Purely for argument's sake, let's say 'misinformation' is a subjective term (just as Donnie would like it!), and look purely at 'unregulated systems'. My point is that, if big tech had wanted to 'regulate' systems in 2015/2016 in such a way that Trump content reached less of an audience and the wrong type of audience, then they could have done that easily with the social media algorithm technology then already existent. But, on the contrary, Trump content reached an enormous audience, and all the right ones, thanks to what the likes of Cambridge Analytica were able to do. They were able to do that because there was no mobilization by big tech to prevent them doing it. There is no evidence to suggest that Trump won in 2016 "despite" some kind of FB, Twitter, whatever attempt to prevent him winning. If anything, there's evidence (Cambridge Analytica, etc., again) that their hands off approach would essentially gift the electoral battle for social media influenced voters to whoever would end up being the most unscrupulous with the possibilities offered by how social media was regulated (or not) at the time.
They didn't regulate in 2016 because they thought Clinton was a shoe in. Nobody for one minute believed he was getting in. I'm concerned by your use of phrases like 'mobilization by big tech' as if that is something we should want happening in a democratic society. Anyway, they have certainly mobilised now and it's no surprise that entirely 'left leaning' corporations have had their hand in this election outcome. I think it's utterly naive to believe otherwise.
You're suggesting that once big tech decide who they want to win, that's who wins, as if it's a general rule. But you're grounding your general rule in, what? The impression that they swung this and only this 2020 election? Not exactly a solid foundation. I don't think we should want big tech mobilizing for who they want to win. And I don't think there is any evidence that they have ever done so in the past, even if you personally want to believe they have done so in 2020.
They didn't regulate in 2016 because they didn't regulate, beyond censoring nipples, full stop. They weren't involved, and they didn't get involved even though their systems were automatically tracking the profile info of those who were being targeted by Trump content for over a year. They (FB especially) knew before anyone else, and it would have been easy for them to intervene, whether they thought Clinton a shoe-in or not. But they did nothing, one way or the other, at any point in the run up to the election.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 07, 2021, 11:37:41 AM
MOMENT WOMAN IS SHOT AND KILLED IN DC PROTEST.....****,,,,
https://theync.com/moment-in-which-the-woman-is-shot.htm
There was a longer one that showed her bleeding out. I found it disturbing but it doesn't take away from anything. Being called ignorant by Kev has no bearing on me whatsoever given some of the terms he uses and views he holds which I find abhorrent but sure that's life.
I also appreciate Chris acknowledging the uncharacteristic sensitivity I showed in my description. Haha.
I said your post was ignorant, as in, lacking authentic information, not you.
I played the ball, not the man :)
I think they have a massive role to play now, like it or not. The BLM thing this year went global because of big tech, we now have kids outside Drogheda Garda station shouting Black lives matter..you can't tell me that social media hasn't had a massive global impact on the way huge swathes of people are thinking now. The Trump frenzy is another perfect example.
Now, we could argue that that has nothing to do with FB or any of these lads. But how can we be so sure that private companies with self-confessed interests are entirely above board in everything they are doing? People talk about algorithms as if it's some sort of mystical, semi religious occurrence. No, it's a definite and human initiated process. If that human is a left leaning liberal in a completely left/liberal company with major vested interests then how is that algorithm not going to have an impact on things?
Trump shook the matrix in 2016 and they mobilised military style to ensure their boy got in. 'Mobilizing': even the word itself is military in its connotations. As for evidence, well the unrelenting, incessant attacks of the past 4 years are all the evidence anyone should need to see that the level playing field has been well and truly nuked at this stage.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 12:12:12 PM
I said your post was ignorant, as in, lacking authentic information, not you.
I played the ball, not the man :)
The fact she was there as I outlined in my first response is authentic info for me in this opinion based maelstrom.
Hup ye boy ye
https://youtu.be/Trmqc2NJYpA
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 12:17:27 PM
the unrelenting, incessant attacks of the past 4 years are all the evidence anyone should need to see that the level playing field has been well and truly nuked at this stage.
Here's a thought experiment for you. Let's take it as a given that all politicians are, to a greater or even greater extent, liars. Now, imagine that if all social media platforms fact-checked everything politicians posted on their profiles, and if any content was found to be false, however long that took to come out and imagining that this could be done infallibly, it would get deleted, or nuked, if you like. Some politicians, their lies might require lengthy investigations to uncover, so in this hypothetical situation, posts of that sort might stay up for weeks, maybe months, or even longer. But then there would also be politicians like Trump, who regularly post things which are easily shown to be false within minutes or hours, and they are also just as likely to lie about things that may take days, weeks, or months to uncover. That means that, in this hypothetical situation, a politician like Trump would be constantly sabotaging their own level playing field, because - even though the basic rules would be the same for everyone - their posts would be getting deleted much more often and, notably, much quicker than others.
We don't live in that hypothetical situation though, and hundreds of Trump's total bullshit tweets and FB posts, etc., are still up there for all to see and for all unsuspecting types to be persuaded by, and we all have very fresh in our Irish minds just how easily it is to be persuaded by hearsay unless we're actively suspicious of the source.
In short, relative to the "ideal world" of the above thought experiment, Trump has gotten off lightly with his bullshit until very, very recently.
All fair enough, but Trump is only the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned. He's a symbol as such. The rot set in for him a long time ago with the fanning of the flames of BLM amongst a myriad of other issues that were all exacerbated to hysterical levels to get his pasty white ass out of the White House. And anyone who cannot see that is simply choosing to not see it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 10:37:24 AM
So do you think in 2016 big tech and big business decided they wanted Trump to win?
They never expected him to win it was almost a foregone conclusion that Hillary would win. Time magazine had a Madame President cover printed up in 2016 that was published and distributed then recalled.
I think the suppression and censorship of the Hunter Biden story before the election which we were told over and over was Russian disinformation yet now we learn that he is under investigation and has been for sometime is clear evidence of what big tech is at.
Take the SOMA and stfu is the clear message, and the legions of zombies and psychos doing their bidding is startling.
I prefer yokes to that s-o-m-a muck, but clearly not everyone agrees.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 07, 2021, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 10:37:24 AM
So do you think in 2016 big tech and big business decided they wanted Trump to win?
They never expected him to win it was almost a foregone conclusion that Hillary would win. Time magazine had a Madame President cover printed up in 2016 that was published and distributed then recalled.
I think the suppression and censorship of the Hunter Biden story before the election which we were told over and over was Russian disinformation yet now we learn that he is under investigation and has been for sometime is clear evidence of what big tech is at.
What Hunter Biden investigation are you talking about?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 01:32:11 PM
Take the SOMA and stfu is the clear message, and the legions of zombies and psychos doing their bidding is startling.
That's the message regardless of which side of the political divide you're on (something I'm thankfully not the only one to be saying in this discussion). In fact, the moment you start claiming that that message applies more to one side than the other, you should already suspect that you yourself are doing somebody's bidding.
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 01:35:17 PM
What Hunter Biden investigation are you talking about?
He is under investigation over his taxes and dealings with China. Apparently has been for about two years something Bill Barr knew about and kept quiet on.
You also have the story of Fang Fang a Chinese spy who was sleeping with high up US politicians including Eric Swalwell who has been screaming Russian collusion for the last four years. Another story the media barely covered and Fang Fang has disappeared since the story broke back in November.
I knew about the taxes investigation and during that investigation other things were looked into, but not sure how it links to the blind laptop repair guy and thus proves what Big Tech is upto...
Although in saying that I'm not 100per cent on what we are claiming Big Tech is upto ha. Might stick to the recommended albums thread :)
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 01:52:36 PM
I knew about the taxes investigation and during that investigation other things were looked into, but not sure how it links to the blind laptop repair guy and thus proves what Big Tech is upto...
The HD contains evidence and references to what went on in China. Put it this way if someone came across a HD belonging to Don Jr. and they alleged it contained information tying him to Russia would Facebook and Twitter have censored it?
They never censored the Russia collusion allegations that are still doing the rounds and four years later we still don't have a shred of proof of any of it.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 07, 2021, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 01:52:36 PM
I knew about the taxes investigation and during that investigation other things were looked into, but not sure how it links to the blind laptop repair guy and thus proves what Big Tech is upto...
The HD contains evidence and references to what went on in China.
This is not confirmed though? Or is there an update you could share?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 01:32:11 PM
Take the SOMA and stfu is the clear message, and the legions of zombies and psychos doing their bidding is startling.
That's the message regardless of which side of the political divide you're on (something I'm thankfully not the only one to be saying in this discussion). In fact, the moment you start claiming that that message applies more to one side than the other, you should already suspect that you yourself are doing somebody's bidding.
Only one side has the media, big tech and the woke capitalists behind them.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 02:12:09 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 01:32:11 PM
Take the SOMA and stfu is the clear message, and the legions of zombies and psychos doing their bidding is startling.
That's the message regardless of which side of the political divide you're on (something I'm thankfully not the only one to be saying in this discussion). In fact, the moment you start claiming that that message applies more to one side than the other, you should already suspect that you yourself are doing somebody's bidding.
Only one side has the media, big tech and the woke capitalists behind them.
Sure name one more and it'll be the four horsemen of the wokeocalypse.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 07, 2021, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 02:12:09 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 01:32:11 PM
Take the SOMA and stfu is the clear message, and the legions of zombies and psychos doing their bidding is startling.
That's the message regardless of which side of the political divide you're on (something I'm thankfully not the only one to be saying in this discussion). In fact, the moment you start claiming that that message applies more to one side than the other, you should already suspect that you yourself are doing somebody's bidding.
Only one side has the media, big tech and the woke capitalists behind them.
Sure name one more and it'll be the four horseman of the wokeocalypse.
Your misogyny is showing
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 02:12:09 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 01:32:11 PM
Take the SOMA and stfu is the clear message, and the legions of zombies and psychos doing their bidding is startling.
That's the message regardless of which side of the political divide you're on (something I'm thankfully not the only one to be saying in this discussion). In fact, the moment you start claiming that that message applies more to one side than the other, you should already suspect that you yourself are doing somebody's bidding.
Only one side has the media, big tech and the woke capitalists behind them.
And only one side has The New York Post, Fox, and Praise the Lord Jesus behind them!
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:11:46 PM
This is not confirmed though? Or is there an update you could share?
No because the investigation is still ongoing. Trump being in bed with Russia has never been proven after how many investigations? Yet it has been all over social media for the last four years uncensored. My point being it shows a clear bias from big tech. We all know how influential Facebook and Twitter are for a lot of people these days.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 07, 2021, 02:25:08 PM
Your misogyny is showing
The typo is changed there now for ya, you absolute fucking prick :laugh: :abbath:
Ye'll be fucking sickened if Jesus exists after all the slagging he gets off the left, and double testicle amputation for giving Allah and all his minions the kid glove and blind eye 'oh but that's religious expression that's not woman hating'treatment, christianophobic gang of cunts that ye are.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 07, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:11:46 PM
This is not confirmed though? Or is there an update you could share?
No because the investigation is still ongoing.
That's not my understanding. As in there is no confirmed investigation involving the laptop that Rudi Giuliani brought attention to.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 02:45:03 PM
Ye'll be fucking sickened if Jesus exists after all the slagging he gets off the left, and double testicle amputation for giving Allah and all his minions the kid glove and blind eye 'oh but that's religious expression that's not woman hating'treatment, christianophobic gang of cunts that ye are.
I'm kinda lefty but all religion is fucking nonsense. And yes Islam is worse than the others.
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on January 07, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:11:46 PM
This is not confirmed though? Or is there an update you could share?
No because the investigation is still ongoing.
That's not my understanding. As in there is no confirmed investigation involving the laptop that Rudi Giuliani brought attention to.
The laptop where the blind guy helped the FBI get the info off the hard drive. That one?
:abbath:
Quote from: mickO))) on January 07, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:11:46 PM
This is not confirmed though? Or is there an update you could share?
No because the investigation is still ongoing. Trump being in bed with Russia has never been proven after how many investigations? Yet it has been all over social media for the last four years uncensored. My point being it shows a clear bias from big tech. We all know how influential Facebook and Twitter are for a lot of people these days.
Mueller was asked if Trump wasn't President would he have need indited. To which he replied Yes. Make of that what you will.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 02:45:03 PM
Ye'll be fucking sickened if Jesus exists after all the slagging he gets off the left, and double testicle amputation for giving Allah and all his minions the kid glove and blind eye 'oh but that's religious expression that's not woman hating'treatment, christianophobic gang of cunts that ye are.
Well they don't have Big Islam™ behind them like????
Bit of a non-sequitur to say the least!
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 07, 2021, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on January 07, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:11:46 PM
This is not confirmed though? Or is there an update you could share?
No because the investigation is still ongoing.
That's not my understanding. As in there is no confirmed investigation involving the laptop that Rudi Giuliani brought attention to.
The laptop where the blind guy helped the FBI get the info off the hard drive. That one?
Well my understanding is that we were told by the repair guy that he gave it to the FBI, and he showed reporters a copy of a subpoena that people confirmed to be real, but to say that the laptop plays any part in any ongoing investigation and thus proves that the laptop story has credibility is not accurate.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 07, 2021, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 07, 2021, 02:45:03 PM
Ye'll be fucking sickened if Jesus exists after all the slagging he gets off the left, and double testicle amputation for giving Allah and all his minions the kid glove and blind eye 'oh but that's religious expression that's not woman hating'treatment, christianophobic gang of cunts that ye are.
Well they don't have Big Islam™ behind them like????
Bit of a non-sequitur to say the least!
I have the secret of every Kilkenny victory right here on my laptop; moving the goalposts! :o :abbath:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-55254182
Everything I've read about Hunter Biden tells me that butter definitely wouldn't melt in his mouth and he's more than likely the reincarnation of John the Baptist or maybe even Jesus himself.
Joe Biden's presidency is going to be awful. And Harris will be much worse when Biden is finally confirmed as gone senile.
Remindme! 12 months..
Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 03:14:47 PM
Joe Biden's presidency is going to be awful. And Harris will be much worse when Biden is finally confirmed as gone senile.
Remindme! 12 months..
It probably will be awful, but then Trump seems to be gone senile already and his term ended with an attempt by his supporters to overturn a democratic decision(although that's standard US fare, just not normally their own country) , swings and roundabouts really
Saw the video where yer wan was shot. Fuckin idiot. What is it with people who think that moving towards a pointed gun is a good idea? You can try blame Trump all you want but there's clearly no cure for stupid.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 07, 2021, 03:35:44 PM
Saw the video where yer wan was shot. Fuckin idiot. What is it with people who think that moving towards a pointed gun is a good idea? You can try blame Trump all you want but there's clearly no cure for stupid.
I read she was in the army or air force or whatever for 12 years and did tours in Afghanistan etc. Did she learn nothing about guns and what they can do.
Shooting someone for breaking and entering(?) into the Capitol building just seems a bit unnecessary to me. Were they really that much of threat to the building?
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
Shooting someone for breaking and entering(?) into the Capitol building just seems a bit unnecessary to me. Were they really that much of threat to the building?
Ah sure when the looting starts, the shooting starts, surely she'd have been well aware of that
A lad who went to a GAELSCOIL (notoriously poor GAA6 in WICKLOW (you can see where I'm going here) talking about goalposts! Yeaaaaaarhh!
I wonder did she suffer from 'mental illness'?
Quote from: Trev on January 07, 2021, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 03:14:47 PM
Joe Biden's presidency is going to be awful. And Harris will be much worse when Biden is finally confirmed as gone senile.
Remindme! 12 months..
It probably will be awful, but then Trump seems to be gone senile already and his term ended with an attempt by his supporters to overturn a democratic decision(although that's standard US fare, just not normally their own country) , swings and roundabouts really
No arguments there.
Quote from: Trev on January 07, 2021, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 03:14:47 PM
Joe Biden's presidency is going to be awful. And Harris will be much worse when Biden is finally confirmed as gone senile.
Remindme! 12 months..
It probably will be awful, but then Trump seems to be gone senile already and his term ended with an attempt by his supporters to overturn a democratic decision(although that's standard US fare, just not normally their own country) , swings and roundabouts really
I reckon more like 24-36 months time frame BUT yes, Trump seems to be toast for a second run by 2024...he could run third party and split the republican vote. Or if he decides to golf for the rest of his days and the Biden/Harris ticket is deemed a failure, that leaves a void for an articulate Trump like republican to fill the gap, is there any in the pipeline? Doesn't have to be a politician anymore.
Must be a way of correcting this or else most countries are heading down a path of more division and inequality in various ways (wealth/power/social etc).
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 03:56:20 PM
I wonder did she suffer from 'mental illness'?
No doubt in my mind.
Quote from: The Butcher on January 07, 2021, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Trev on January 07, 2021, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 03:14:47 PM
Joe Biden's presidency is going to be awful. And Harris will be much worse when Biden is finally confirmed as gone senile.
Remindme! 12 months..
It probably will be awful, but then Trump seems to be gone senile already and his term ended with an attempt by his supporters to overturn a democratic decision(although that's standard US fare, just not normally their own country) , swings and roundabouts really
I reckon more like 24-36 months time frame BUT yes, Trump seems to be toast for a second run by 2024...he could run third party and split the republican vote. Or if he decides to golf for the rest of his days and the Biden/Harris ticket is deemed a failure, that leaves a void for an articulate Trump like republican to fill the gap, is there any in the pipeline? Doesn't have to be a politician anymore.
Must be a way of correcting this or else most countries are heading down a path of more division and inequality in various ways (wealth/power/social etc).
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
I think I shared that wtf1971 in one of the other threads it's a great little rabbit hole to fall into. And it doesn't seem entirely coincidental either.
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
Shooting someone for breaking and entering(?) into the Capitol building just seems a bit unnecessary to me. Were they really that much of threat to the building?
A cop there from the Capitol police on newstalk said the protesters had firearms, pipe bombs and used chemical irritants on police. So ya maybe the force used by cops was necessary.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 03:56:20 PM
I wonder did she suffer from 'mental illness'?
No doubt in my mind.
QuoteBabbitt's husband told KUSI she was a 14-year veteran who served four tours with USAF in the Middle East as a 'high level security official,'
That either confirms or refutes your assertion
In a Joseph Heller sense, it would confirm it.
I was leaning towards confirming it as well. Had to look up Heller. Haven't read him but I see where you were going.
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Pelosi calls for resignation of head of Capitol police, Trump indefinitely suspended from FB and Instagram.
As if it would be any other way.
Do you any of you here think Trump bears any responsibility in the four deaths, incidentally? And those who don't, on what basis?
Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there. Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if trump is responsible for their fates then so is everything else.
Of course he's responsible. He's responsible for everything sure: racism, covid, hairy holes etc etc etc
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 10:04:50 PM
Do you any of you here think Trump bears any responsibility in the four deaths, incidentally? And those who don't, on what basis?
Of course he did. He incited it. And his style of language has been inciting this since he took office.
I dunno if incitement works as simply as that. People have to be able to weigh it up for themselves at the end of the day and it only works properly if the people are already ripe for it but that's usually for any amount of other reasons more than the things that actually set it off
Something has spooked him anyway, he's out!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347334804052844550?s=19
Might be the cop who's died of his injuries.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 10:41:00 PM
Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there. Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if trump is responsible for their fates then so is everything else.
You should give football punditry a go man:
"So, the match was an unmitigated disaster. Astfgyl, do you think the manager has to bear the responsibility for that with his choice of a 1-1-8 formation, essentially instructing everyone to go on the offensive?"
"Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said, but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there? Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if the manager is responsible for their fates then so is everything else."
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 10:41:00 PM
Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there. Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if trump is responsible for their fates then so is everything else.
You should give football punditry a go man:
"So, the match was an unmitigated disaster. Astfgyl, do you think the manager has to bear the responsibility for that with his choice of a 1-1-8 formation, essentially instructing everyone to go on the offensive?"
"Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said, but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there? Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if the manager is responsible for their fates then so is everything else."
;D
They're not in a school: 'But Sir, he made me do it'. You walk around with a knife in public and get shot it's your own fault. You break into a building wavjng flags and shouting at the police it's your own fault. It's called personal responsibility.
My feelings exactly. Ridiculous analogy to use.
I think she is a hero and a patriot. Just like the BLM looters.
How far are you willing to carry that logic? Jim Jones had no responsibility for the mass suicide of his followers either? I'm not saying each individual had no responsibility, no more than I'm saying that each player has no responsibility. But when a leader of any sort knows the extent to which their supporters hang on their instructions, and then instructs them to do something knowing that they will do it, then there is a responsibility there. Which in no way negates potential ignorance, idiocy, or whatever involved in being one of those supporters in the first place. If you had an admirer who was constantly telling you that they'd kill for you and one day you ask them to kill for you, you have a responsibility in articulating that command, legally as well as fucking obviously.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 09:59:52 AM
You walk around with a knife in public and get shot it's your own fault.
Another example then. Imagine it turned out that George Nkencho's brother had had a run-in with the manager of the Eurospar and wanted to get his own back. Let's say he knows that his big brother is a bit gone in the head and will be easily influenced, so he makes up a bullshit story that the manager of the Eurospar had stolen his wallet and wouldn't give it back and that the police were in on the whole thing. He asks him to go up to the Eurospar and intimidate the manager based on this totally false premise. Now, think about this as long as you like, would the brother have
some level of responsibility in everything that followed as a result?
Well when you're trying your level best to hang everything on Trump then you'll find every argument under the sun to do so.
Did he specifically ask them to break into that building? If not, then all the rest of it is just speculation.
Could he have toned down his rhetoric: maybe/probably. But it's been the tensest presidency in our lifetime, the opposition going to never before seen depths to ruin the man's reputation and prevent him from doing his job. He has a right to be upset about. Doesn't mean he's a revolutionary or instigating riots. They'll try and hang him for it, like they tried to hang him with this bullshit, made up impeachment, but hopefully ince the dust settles, in a few years time people might be able to look back with cooler minds and realise the assault on democracy that the democrats were responsible for in the past 4 years.
I'm not trying to hang everything on him. For example, I don't think a Clinton administration would have managed to achieve better results with COVID, for various reasons not relevant here. But some things genuinely do seem to result from a four year assault by Trump of constantly saying that X, Y, and Z are lying to Americans and are attacking democracy, whereas Fox, Breitbart, and even far more obviously biased sources, were invariably claimed to be the gospel truth.
When people look back in a few years, with the benefit of hindsight and instant possibility to compare the things Trump told his supporters with the actual reality that was unfolding at the time, they will wonder how people who had instant access to so many easy avenues for comparing information were nonetheless taken in by such obvious falsehoods. And, hopefully, they will be looking back from a situation in which they have already assured that such a tendency is not allowed run riot again. It has been the worst four years in living memory for the state of the collective intelligence of the US; everyone - conservatives and progressives - have come out of it more biased and, therefore, stupider. That's what happens when you put someone with the emotional maturity of a tween in the highest office.
So reading reports that the cop who died was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher. FBI have released photos asking for assistance in identifying individuals who carried pipe bombs into the building and have identified 6 sitting republican politicians who were part of the mob. The best people lol
There is no comparison between the weight of media bias toward Trump. Breitbart is not mainstream. There are dozens of national and multinational news outlets and corporations, talk show hosts, Hollywood ball bags and woke corporate interests like Twitter, Facebook, Google adnauseum who hate him and give an unfailing anti-Trump narrative no matter what happens.
'Yeah but what about Fox and Breitbart'? He has far, far fewer for him than against him, and that's been the case since before he won the republican primary.
Surely you can see this.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 08, 2021, 11:04:39 AM
So reading reports that the cop who died was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher. FBI have released photos asking for assistance in identifying individuals who carried pipe bombs into the building and have identified 6 sitting republican politicians who were part of the mob. The best people lol
What do you mean by 'sitting politician'?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 11:06:33 AM
There is no comparison between the weight of media bias toward Trump. Breitbart is not mainstream. There are dozens of national and multinational news outlets and corporations, talk show hosts, Hollywood ball bags and woke corporate interests like Twitter, Facebook, Google adnauseum who hate him and give an unfailing anti-Trump narrative no matter what happens.
'Yeah but what about Fox and Breitbart'? He has far, far fewer for him than against him, and that's been the case since before he won the republican primary.
Surely you can see this.
They only see what they want to see. Every cunt under the sun like Stephen Colbert, our buddy Trevor Noah, John Oliver, Jimmy Fallon, the list is endless went on the attack immediately once they got the go ahead from their lizard overlords. The entire mainstream media apart from the usual right leaning suspects went into an all out assault. The Democratic party and its cronies then systematically went about crippling everything he attempted to do and they were never secretive about it. Right from the get go they didn't even attend his innauguration and the assault began on the day one.
Added to this pasty faced 'wannabe' political experts all around Ireland, the usual barstool variety, lads who sell cars in Spain, teachers, hookers, barmen, your oul wan, everywhere you went someone was giving out about him. A sure sign of MASS-HYSTERIA. Instigated, implemented and managed by very powerful media groups, big tech(facebook, youtube, google etc) and whoever else has a big stake in ensuring their puppet is comfortably placed in the White House.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 08, 2021, 11:04:39 AM
So reading reports that the cop who died was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher. FBI have released photos asking for assistance in identifying individuals who carried pipe bombs into the building and have identified 6 sitting republican politicians who were part of the mob. The best people lol
Any links to the "6 sitting republican politicians who were part of the mob" ?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 11:06:33 AM
There is no comparison between the weight of media bias toward Trump. Breitbart is not mainstream. There are dozens of national and multinational news outlets and corporations, talk show hosts, Hollywood ball bags and woke corporate interests like Twitter, Facebook, Google adnauseum who hate him and give an unfailing anti-Trump narrative no matter what happens.
'Yeah but what about Fox and Breitbart'? He has far, far fewer for him than against him, and that's been the case since before he won the republican primary.
Surely you can see this.
I don't see what point you're trying to make here. I'm not talking about which side has the greater bias, I'm talking about Trump having communicated more biased and false things to his supporters than any previous president. Not necessarily
bigger lies, but many, many more of them, an endless stream of biasing falsehoods.
You rattle on endlessly about how the media is owned by the progressives, and yet at other times you gloat about how certain Fox presenters have the largest viewerships. It's the size of the viewership, the reach, that counts. Even if Fox was the only conservative media, which it is not, if it was reaching as many voters as the combined efforts of as many progressive media as you like, then the potential for biasing would be, in effect, level between conservative media and progressive media.
Half the people who 'hate' Big Donnie ♥️ don't even really know why they hate him.
And that, is scary....
So hold on.
Media tells people Trump bad = media responsible for drumming up hysteria, people have not made up their minds of their own volition
Trump tells people election stolen, fight, etc = Trump not responsible for what happened when his loyal supporters hang on his word
Yes I know, this is simplified and a bit dumb but I'm throwing it in, fuck it
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 08, 2021, 11:28:32 AM
Half the people who 'hate' Big Donnie ♥️ don't even really know why they hate him.
And that, is scary....
Nail on the head. Mass hysteria. Mass brainwashing. Mass manipulation.
Question: 'Why do you go to mass every Sunday?'
Answer: 'Ehhhhhhh'
It's the exact same thing. Most people really have no idea once you dig down beyond the initial layer.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 08, 2021, 11:34:53 AM
So hold on.
Media tells people Trump bad = media responsible for drumming up hysteria, people have not made up their minds of their own volition
Trump tells people election stolen, fight, etc = Trump not responsible for what happened when his loyal supporters hang on his word
Yes I know, this is simplified and a bit dumb but I'm throwing it in, fuck it
You can make up your own mind when you actually think. When you are actually open to maybe not being given the full picture. If everything you ever see and read and hear is negative about Trump or black people or the English or whatever, then you need to step back and analyse that information. That's what an adult with a brain should do and you make your 'adult' decisions once you weigh up all the information and the consequences.
There are lads went into that building yesterday and they're not one bit sorry. And that's their perogative. They probably did far more reading and thinking and analysing of their own lives in America than we do of ours over here in Ireland/Europe. And they'll pay the price if they went overboard in the eyes of the law.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 11:25:15 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 11:06:33 AM
There is no comparison between the weight of media bias toward Trump. Breitbart is not mainstream. There are dozens of national and multinational news outlets and corporations, talk show hosts, Hollywood ball bags and woke corporate interests like Twitter, Facebook, Google adnauseum who hate him and give an unfailing anti-Trump narrative no matter what happens.
'Yeah but what about Fox and Breitbart'? He has far, far fewer for him than against him, and that's been the case since before he won the republican primary.
Surely you can see this.
I don't see what point you're trying to make here. I'm not talking about which side has the greater bias, I'm talking about Trump having communicated more biased and false things to his supporters than any previous president. Not necessarily bigger lies, but many, many more of them, an endless stream of biasing falsehoods.
You rattle on endlessly about how the media is owned by the progressives, and yet at other times you gloat about how certain Fox presenters have the largest viewerships. It's the size of the viewership, the reach, that counts. Even if Fox was the only conservative media, which it is not, if it was reaching as many voters as the combined efforts of as many progressive media as you like, then the potential for biasing would be, in effect, level between conservative media and progressive media.
Some man for waffle.
I'm pulling you up for your ceaseless 'yeah but Fox News etc' by pointing out (clearly) that any comparisons are fallacies, but your bias means it's difficult for you to see it and impossible for you to acknowledge it.
Tucker having the highest viewership doesn't mean the liberal media is less pervasive, merely that people don't believe their bullshit when it comes to Trump.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 11:40:30 AM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 08, 2021, 11:34:53 AM
So hold on.
Media tells people Trump bad = media responsible for drumming up hysteria, people have not made up their minds of their own volition
Trump tells people election stolen, fight, etc = Trump not responsible for what happened when his loyal supporters hang on his word
Yes I know, this is simplified and a bit dumb but I'm throwing it in, fuck it
You can make up your own mind when you actually think. When you are actually open to maybe not being given the full picture. If everything you ever see and read and hear is negative about Trump or black people or the English or whatever, then you need to step back and analyse that information. That's what an adult with a brain should do and you make your 'adult' decisions once you weigh up all the information and the consequences.
There are lads went into that building yesterday and they're not one bit sorry. And that's their perogative. They probably did far more reading and thinking and analysing of their own lives in America than we do of ours over here in Ireland/Europe. And they'll pay the price if they went overboard in the eyes of the law.
I really love how you think that people can't make up their own mind about Trump. I look at his policies, his actions and his speeches and I've concluded he's not fit for the job. End of. His behaviour since he lost just goes to show the type of individual he is.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 11:43:17 AM
I'm pulling you up for your ceaseless 'yeah but Fox News etc' by pointing out (clearly) that any comparisons are fallacies, but your bias means it's difficult for you to see it and impossible for you to acknowledge it.
Tucker having the highest viewership doesn't mean the liberal media is less pervasive, merely that people don't believe their bullshit when it comes to Trump.
I still don't get the point you're trying to make. What sense does it make to say that the Democrats "own" the media, if the single most popular media in the country isn't part of what they "own"?? Fox is the most watched cable outlet in the US, Fox News by far the most viewed news network...so the claim that the Democrats "own" the media is totally bogus.
You have, well then fair enough. Again, that's your opinion, you've thought about it, you're entirely entitled to it. There are tonnes of people who give out about him and they would have no idea why. It's almost become as natural as breathing.
But since y'all ran Ducky off, none of them post here.
Make a list of all the principal big tech companies , US news outlets etc, their budgets etc and put a red or blue beside each one.
They do own the media, for the most part. Lots more options if your a soma addicted zombie like you and your buddies.
People, thankfully, aren't quite retarded enough to take them seriously
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
But since y'all ran Ducky off, none of them post here.
You're essentially Ducky with a larger vocabulary.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
But since y'all ran Ducky off, none of them post here.
Ducky hasn't flown off. His wing was severely clipped but he still lurks these boards.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
But since y'all ran Ducky off, none of them post here.
You're essentially Ducky with a larger vocabulary.
That was the following morning, 'I'm not interestrd in seeing you again' cold :laugh:
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
But since y'all ran Ducky off, none of them post here.
I respect the intellect, but fume at the 'what do you mean by this, I'm just a poor auld crátur so if I don't understand you, you must be a crank soweee'!!
You're essentially Ducky with a larger vocabulary.
That was the following morning, 'I'm not interestrd in seeing you again' cold :laugh:
Serious question for pedrito and Caomhaoin.
What do ye thing is so good about trumpelstilskin?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
But since y'all ran Ducky off, none of them post here.
You're essentially Ducky with a larger vocabulary.
I almost never agreed with Ducky in these threads; though we were more or less facing the same direction, he was as reliable a source of unconfirmed liberal bias as you are of unconfirmed conservative bias. Maybe he now posts in a mirror equivalent of this forum, where there's a strong contingent of card-carrying BLM supporters, a handful of moderate-conservatives, and one Proud Boy who gets piled-on every time he posts.
Quote from: blessed1 on January 08, 2021, 12:16:10 PM
Serious question for pedrito and Caomhaoin.
What do ye thing is so good about trumpelstilskin?
It's not Trump per se. He could be anyone else. What fucks me off is how the minute someone comes along with some ideas or a personality that aren't deemed acceptable, the alarm bells go off, the propoganda machine is turned on and they are smashed repeatedly from all sides of the mainstream. The man never stood a chance, though he gave it his best. He's far from perfect, but he's not satan and that's what they'd have you believe.
So, essentially, the message goes out that you need to think and act a certain way or you'll be left out to rot. We see it constantly in these big tech companies, we are seeing it all throughout our media. The minute you open your mouth and say things that aren't deemed 'acceptable' you are a pariah. It used be that the Catholic church held that power over society. Now it's the media, big tech, liberal woke left. A dangerous road we're going down.
Whatever about saying things that aren't deemed acceptable, what about the endless obvious lies? And literal public tantrums? And firing of key staff via social media, etc.? If that was his best, isn't it obvious why he never stood a chance and also why people didn't want him occupying the position he did? He was a president who treated the job like he was a contestant on a reality TV show, like it was a popularity contest and "acting cool" was the way to win. If you knew someone like him in real life, you'd only hang around with them for the possibility of getting an over-friendly tipsy hug off their wife down the pub.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: blessed1 on January 08, 2021, 12:16:10 PM
Serious question for pedrito and Caomhaoin.
What do ye thing is so good about trumpelstilskin?
It's not Trump per se. He could be anyone else. What fucks me off is how the minute someone comes along with some ideas or a personality that aren't deemed acceptable, the alarm bells go off, the propoganda machine is turned on and they are smashed repeatedly from all sides of the mainstream. The man never stood a chance, though he gave it his best. He's far from perfect, but he's not satan and that's what they'd have you believe.
So, essentially, the message goes out that you need to think and act a certain way or you'll be left out to rot. We see it constantly in these big tech companies, we are seeing it all throughout our media. The minute you open your mouth and say things that aren't deemed 'acceptable' you are a pariah. It used be that the Catholic church held that power over society. Now it's the media, big tech, liberal woke left. A dangerous road we're going down.
Ah he did stand a chance though. He was a president with a majority in the Senate. If he had got a capable cabinet behind him he could have delivered meaningful legislation on a host of issues. No matter what the media said. But he couldnt hold a stable cabinet through all the resignations and firings. Whatever you think about him as an individual, he was totally inept at getting things done as he was an inept politician.
Not every time.
Hey, he wasn't perfect. No president is. But how can anyone do a job properly when the opposition is impeaching you over absolute bullshit? He spent a third of his presidency fighting that off coupled with having to deal with treachery from within his own camp. People who are supposed to be on your side and helping you but who are actively working against you? If that's how these people want to ensure the best for their country then maybe the system is absolutely fucked and he was dead right to expose it for all the world to see on twitter and the likes. Is that what taxes are being paid for? To ensure that that snakes nest forges ahead with nothing there to rein them in.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
Hey, he wasn't perfect. No president is. But how can anyone do a job properly when the opposition is impeaching you over absolute bullshit? He spent a third of his presidency fighting that off coupled with having to deal with treachery from within his own camp. People who are supposed to be on your side and helping you but who are actively working against you? If that's how these people want to ensure the best for their country then maybe the system is absolutely fucked and he was dead right to expose it for all the world to see on twitter and the likes. Is that what taxes are being paid for? To ensure that that snakes nest forges ahead with nothing there to rein them in.
Ahem....
https://youtu.be/xT2m3xWjStc
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 10:41:00 PM
Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there. Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if trump is responsible for their fates then so is everything else.
You should give football punditry a go man:
"So, the match was an unmitigated disaster. Astfgyl, do you think the manager has to bear the responsibility for that with his choice of a 1-1-8 formation, essentially instructing everyone to go on the offensive?"
"Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said, but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there? Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if the manager is responsible for their fates then so is everything else."
:laugh:
Very good!
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
Hey, he wasn't perfect. No president is. But how can anyone do a job properly when the opposition is impeaching you over absolute bullshit? He spent a third of his presidency fighting that off coupled with having to deal with treachery from within his own camp. People who are supposed to be on your side and helping you but who are actively working against you? If that's how these people want to ensure the best for their country then maybe the system is absolutely fucked and he was dead right to expose it for all the world to see on twitter and the likes. Is that what taxes are being paid for? To ensure that that snakes nest forges ahead with nothing there to rein them in.
He was never in danger of the impeachment being successful regardless of whether you think it was bullshit or not.
Next what is this treachery from his own camp you speak of. Generally curious as to me the republican party have en masse rowed in behind him.
Look at the end of the day for right or wrong it's clear as day that the social media and news networks had stacked the deck against trump from day one and if that isn't clear to anyone by now then they haven't been paying attention. Support him or don't support him it doesn't matter it's there for all to see.
And if I were them I would probably do the same given that he was poking at section 230 and questioning the influence of the media at every opportunity. Remember I'm saying for right or wrong.
Anyway he is finished now so it doesn't matter anymore, the tech companies and media have their stooge in place and all is right in the world.
Anyone who is going to remember Trump as some kind of enemy of big business is utterly deluded.
Oh fuck no, I have always seen him as mister big business long before he was elected and nothing I have seen since has changed that view. It seems to be just certain big businesses he has an issue with
Quote from: astfgyl on January 08, 2021, 03:10:25 PM
Oh fuck no, I have always seen him as mister big business long before he was elected and nothing I have seen since has changed that view. It seems to be just certain big businesses he has an issue with
Yes, notably the ones who point out his falsehoods (which doesn't imply that they don't lie themselves zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).
It's big tech and woke corporate media that are his enemies.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 08, 2021, 03:00:50 PM
Look at the end of the day for right or wrong it's clear as day that the social media and news networks had stacked the deck against trump from day one and if that isn't clear to anyone by now then they haven't been paying attention. Support him or don't support him it doesn't matter it's there for all to see.
And if I were them I would probably do the same given that he was poking at section 230 and questioning the influence of the media at every opportunity. Remember I'm saying for right or wrong.
Anyway he is finished now so it doesn't matter anymore, the tech companies and media have their stooge in place and all is right in the world.
Nail on the head
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 08, 2021, 03:10:25 PM
Oh fuck no, I have always seen him as mister big business long before he was elected and nothing I have seen since has changed that view. It seems to be just certain big businesses he has an issue with
Yes, notably the ones who point out his falsehoods (which doesn't imply that they don't lie themselves zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).
No that's true he hasn't ever been a paragon of honesty but much like many things nowadays there is only one acceptable viewpoint in the mass media and given that the mass media is mostly owned by a small few people, the acceptable narrative is whatever suits those few. Big tech the same thing. Or maybe that's what I've been fed, who knows anymore? It's too time consuming to play follow the money with every single piece of news I read.
Out of interest are there any impartial news sources left? I can't think of a single one
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 03:15:26 PM
It's big tech and woke corporate media that are his enemies.
And Mike Pence :laugh:
He won't be attending Biden's inauguration. That's a bit in poor taste.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 08, 2021, 04:30:51 PM
He won't be attending Biden's inauguration. That's a bit in poor taste.
Are you surprised. Such a sore loser.
No, it's not surprising. Very babyish.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 08, 2021, 04:41:01 PM
No, it's not surprising. Very babyish.
Sure what do you expect from a narcissistic man child. First president since 1869 not to attend the next Presidents inauguration.
Edit: forgot to add. He's a coward for not attending.
How sure can we be though that the mainstream liberal lefty fake media big tech has not just brainwashed us into thinking he is being a sore loser.
He'll excuse it by referring to the Democrat lawmakers who skipped his, not understanding the importance for Presidents to be held to a higher common decency bar even than lawmakers.
And some little tidbits on the (very short) history of incumbents sitting out their successors' inaugurations:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-inauguration-joe-biden-refuses-fourth-history-1552375
Quote from: pete on January 08, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
How sure can we be though that the mainstream liberal lefty fake media big tech has not just brainwashed us into thinking he is being a sore loser.
Actually you're right. People can't form their own opinions obviously. Bad media making me dislike El Trumpo.
Yawn!
Have a listen to Tulsi Gabbard here. She went for President in the last election as a democrat. Someone who sees what a mess the whole thing is on both sides and who speaks very reasonably a d without being inflammatory on the situation.
https://youtu.be/Z8mb66RssxA
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 08, 2021, 05:02:12 PM
Quote from: pete on January 08, 2021, 04:58:25 PM
How sure can we be though that the mainstream liberal lefty fake media big tech has not just brainwashed us into thinking he is being a sore loser.
Actually you're right. People can't form their own opinions obviously. Bad media making me dislike El Trumpo.
Have they managed to make you like Biden yet?
I was hoping Biden would say "you're fired" ala The apprentice.
Serious missed opportunity if he doesn't
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 05:08:36 PM
Have a listen to Tulsi Gabbard here. She went for President in the last election as a democrat. Someone who sees what a mess the whole thing is on both sides and who speaks very reasonably a d without being inflammatory on the situation.
https://youtu.be/Z8mb66RssxA
Of course it's a mess on both sides, it has been for decades, with the difference that today it's amplified through social media. The genuinely unprecedented aspect which led to the madness at Capitol Hill, though, was the never before seen and persistent denial, despite all proof and rulings to the contrary, by an incumbent President that he had simply lost the election. That is the spade that needs to be called a spade here, regardless of how measured and bipartisan you want to be (and, yes, we should) about the underlying background conditions which both sides overly exacerbate in their own way. He has been inciting his hardcore supporters, especially the many he knows to be hypnotized by conspiracy theories, ever since Biden crept ahead of him in the count in November. Even as they were tearing the Capitol apart, in conditions that led to 5 deaths, he persisted in speaking of a stolen election, for which there is zero evidence, other than the inability of his ego to accept it. Whatever about anything previous, his ego-bruised or paranoid or whatever the cause of it behavior since his defeat has been absolutely inexcusable, and, given knowledge of the pre-existing conditions, is the primary trigger for what happened at the Capitol.
EVERYTHING that has happened this year has been incited and condoned by both sides. BLM and all that nonsense, the Antifa riots, the zones that they occupied in cities was all condoned and allowed fester for political gain and to ultimately destabilise the presidency. Now we see the opposite side of the coin. The right are showing that they can scream and bitch snd shout too. None of it is good. They all need flushing out. Trump, Biden, Pelosi, the lot of them.
I would argue that Trump, at the very least, symbolised the desire of the people for change. What that change is or was is hard to put a finger on and he was ultimately unable to provide it. All that said, 4 years later we're in an even worse place and god knows where it's going to be in another few years because NOTHING has changed. The same oul bullshitters are still in the positions of power and you can bet everything they do will be a out appeasing their own and pissing off the other side.
They badly need, indeed the world needs, someone with a bit of cop on to come to the fore. Tulsi Gabbard there is a great option but she'll never get in because we all know how these Democrats work. Maybe someone will arise on the Republican side though that's highly unlikely too. It's not going to get better anytime soon by the looks of things. A complete shitshow.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 05:08:36 PM
Have a listen to Tulsi Gabbard here. She went for President in the last election as a democrat. Someone who sees what a mess the whole thing is on both sides and who speaks very reasonably a d without being inflammatory on the situation.
https://youtu.be/Z8mb66RssxA
Of course it's a mess on both sides, it has been for decades, with the difference that today it's amplified through social media. The genuinely unprecedented aspect which led to the madness at Capitol Hill, though, was the never before seen and persistent denial, despite all proof and rulings to the contrary, by an incumbent President that he had simply lost the election. That is the spade that needs to be called a spade here, regardless of how measured and bipartisan you want to be (and, yes, we should) about the underlying background conditions which both sides overly exacerbate in their own way. He has been inciting his hardcore supporters, especially the many he knows to be hypnotized by conspiracy theories, ever since Biden crept ahead of him in the count in November. Even as they were tearing the Capitol apart, in conditions that led to 5 deaths, he persisted in speaking of a stolen election, for which there is zero evidence, other than the inability of his ego to accept it. Whatever about anything previous, his ego-bruised or paranoid or whatever the cause of it behavior since his defeat has been absolutely inexcusable, and, given knowledge of the pre-existing conditions, is the primary trigger for what happened at the Capitol.
You expect people to br measured when you yourself aren't. What has gone this year has been utterly horrendous for many many Americans. The rioting, the looting, it was disgraceful. A complete breakdown in law and order. You have kids on the walking up and down streets with machine guns 'protecting' their towns..madness. The police have been dragged through the mud. Race relations are at an all time low. The idea that races could live together peacefully looks almost impossible if you believed woke discourse and far right discourse. Academia is completely sold out and big tech and the social media giants are pummelling people with this stuff all for their own gain. They have proven that they cannot handle the power they possess and should be broken up as soon as possible. It won't happen though. It's a ticking time bomb the whole lot of it.
You are a good lad, Pedro :)
The side-stepping of the core element, again, is astounding. Trump persuaded his supporters of his biggest falsehood yet, all because he is either too egotistical or too paranoid to accept that he may just have lost. He did this on a daily basis for almost two months. You don't mention what this says about his character or what effect it had on the tinder pile you go to such pains to correctly blame on both sides. For two months he sprayed petrol on that tinder pile with this lie, and he continued even after it had ignited, even after he was telling his followers to stop fanning the flames, he was still spraying on the gasoline of that #StopTheSteal lie. Where exactly does Trump's personal responsibility enter into your equations? I can't see it anywhere.
^^^^^^
But as for this lad...
The outrage over violence when the whole fucking year we've been saying that what's going on isn't the right way. But that's what happens when one side are allowed do whatever the hell they want and the others are meant to stand idly by and accept it. None of it is right, but let's not get up on our high horses about violence now please when we've been condoning it left right and centre all year. And before anyone says it, no, there isn't a difference between looting a Target and walking into a goverment building other than some symbolic bullshit difference. If I kick a guy in the head in a McDonalds or in St Patrick's cathedral, he's still getting kicked in the head.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
The outrage over violence when the whole fucking year we've been saying that what's going on isn't the right way. But that's what happens when one side are allowed do whatever the hell they want and the others are meant to stand idly by and accept it. None of it is right, but let's not get up on our high horses about violence now please when we've been condoning it left right and centre all year. And before anyone says it, no, there isn't a difference between looting a Target and walking into a goverment building other than some symbolic bullshit difference. If I kick a guy in the head in a McDonalds or in St Patrick's cathedral, he's still getting kicked in the head.
Yes, Trump is responsible but he's far from the only one. It's not Lord of the Rings, he's not Sauron with control over peoples' minds. This is a big beautiful mess that has been fed into without any thpught of where it might end up for the last 4+ years now.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
EVERYTHING that has happened this year has been incited and condoned by both sides. BLM and all that nonsense, the Antifa riots, the zones that they occupied in cities was all condoned and allowed fester for political gain and to ultimately destabilise the presidency. Now we see the opposite side of the coin. The right are showing that they can scream and bitch snd shout too. None of it is good. They all need flushing out. Trump, Biden, Pelosi, the lot of them.
I would argue that Trump, at the very least, symbolised the desire of the people for change. What that change is or was is hard to put a finger on and he was ultimately unable to provide it. All that said, 4 years later we're in an even worse place and god knows where it's going to be in another few years because NOTHING has changed. The same oul bullshitters are still in the positions of power and you can bet everything they do will be a out appeasing their own and pissing off the other side.
They badly need, indeed the world needs, someone with a bit of cop on to come to the fore. Tulsi Gabbard there is a great option but she'll never get in because we all know how these Democrats work. Maybe someone will arise on the Republican side though that's highly unlikely too. It's not going to get better anytime soon by the looks of things. A complete shitshow.
https://youtu.be/_px4BcV88BE?t=34
This popped into my head
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/01/08/the-journey-of-ashli-babbitt/
Very good article about the timeline of the lady who was killed on the day, Alisha Babbit, and her journey from being an Obama supporter into a Trump follower.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 08, 2021, 06:11:35 PM
^^^^^^
But as for this lad...
I love your sit back and comment approach. :laugh:
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 05:08:36 PM
Yawn!
Have a listen to Tulsi Gabbard here. She went for President in the last election as a democrat. Someone who sees what a mess the whole thing is on both sides and who speaks very reasonably a d without being inflammatory on the situation.
https://youtu.be/Z8mb66RssxA
You don't have to sell it to me but I will give it a listen. I despise the language used by both sides and the blatant political posturing.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 08, 2021, 06:18:50 PM
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/01/08/the-journey-of-ashli-babbitt/
Very good article about the timeline of the lady who was killed on the day, Alisha Babbit, and her journey from being an Obama supporter into a Trump follower.
From that article:
'US politicians have since castigated law enforcement for a failure to keep the mob at bay. On January 7, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer announced that the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms, Mike Senger, would be fired. Speaker Nancy Pelosi also requested the resignation of Steven Sund, the Capitol Police Chief. Sund submitted his resignation letter that same day'.
The absolute hypocrisy of that after everything they did to stoke tensions and criminalise the police this year. Pure scum.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 08, 2021, 05:10:01 PM
Have they managed to make you like Biden yet?
Nah. He's just the better of the two candidates available.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
I would argue that Trump, at the very least, symbolised the desire of the people for change.
And you would be 100% correct. People are sick of the same political bullshit all the time. And Americans thought Trump could change that. I would say the same thing happened in our last election with the strong Sinn Fein vote.
It is the Lord of the Rings! Except he's not Sauron, he's King Theoden, and just as soon as Grima Wormtongue (Rudy Giuliani) stops whispering in his ear, he'll return to being the lovable fella he was in Home Alone 2, in the crossover movie sensation of the millenium!
Saw Gabbard on Rogan twice, I think, and enjoyed her both times. She'll never get there though. Too progressive and Sam Harris on a different one alluded to her making a shit show out of something that I can't exactly remember but rendered her somewhat incapable of making and/or handling bigger decisions.
Pfft. Women!? Amirite?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 11:25:15 AM
You rattle on endlessly about how the media is owned by the progressives, and yet at other times you gloat about how certain Fox presenters have the largest viewerships. It's the size of the viewership, the reach, that counts. Even if Fox was the only conservative media, which it is not, if it was reaching as many voters as the combined efforts of as many progressive media as you like, then the potential for biasing would be, in effect, level between conservative media and progressive media.
I'd say a pretty good percentage of Fox's viewership is people watching it just to get outraged by the stuff they say.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
The outrage over violence when the whole fucking year we've been saying that what's going on isn't the right way. But that's what happens when one side are allowed do whatever the hell they want and the others are meant to stand idly by and accept it. None of it is right, but let's not get up on our high horses about violence now please when we've been condoning it left right and centre all year. And before anyone says it, no, there isn't a difference between looting a Target and walking into a goverment building other than some symbolic bullshit difference. If I kick a guy in the head in a McDonalds or in St Patrick's cathedral, he's still getting kicked in the head.
Like the final stages of a presidential election process? That their man happened to be losing??
Not condoning looting at all (the foundations of a legitimate political statement in that case are shaky AT BEST) , but you surely have to see the impact of one vs the other?
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 08, 2021, 07:34:55 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
The outrage over violence when the whole fucking year we've been saying that what's going on isn't the right way. But that's what happens when one side are allowed do whatever the hell they want and the others are meant to stand idly by and accept it. None of it is right, but let's not get up on our high horses about violence now please when we've been condoning it left right and centre all year. And before anyone says it, no, there isn't a difference between looting a Target and walking into a goverment building other than some symbolic bullshit difference. If I kick a guy in the head in a McDonalds or in St Patrick's cathedral, he's still getting kicked in the head.
Like the final stages of a presidential election process? That their man happened to be losing??
Not condoning looting at all (the foundations of a legitimate political statement in that case are shaky AT BEST) , but you surely have to see the impact of one vs the other?
Nothing that has happened this year has happened in isolation. All this for tat stuff is just brushing over that. It's all interrelated and both sides are trying to act like it's everyone's fault but theirs.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 08, 2021, 06:32:12 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
I would argue that Trump, at the very least, symbolised the desire of the people for change.
And you would be 100% correct. People are sick of the same political bullshit all the time. And Americans thought Trump could change that. I would say the same thing happened in our last election with the strong Sinn Fein vote.
Sinn fein could have put their dog up for election and won a record number of seats such was the level of revulsion with the status quo but somehow they didn't manage to get it right by not running enough candidates. I guess that was the plan all along, to give us everything we wanted to get rid of all at once and together at last and give us a proper appetite for change for the next time. Well it's either that or they couldn't shoot fish in a barrel and either way it's a shite performance
Quote from: Pedrito on January 08, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
I would argue that Trump, at the very least, symbolised the desire of the people for change. What that change is or was is hard to put a finger on and he was ultimately unable to provide it. All that said, 4 years later we're in an even worse place and god knows where it's going to be in another few years because NOTHING has changed. The same oul bullshitters are still in the positions of power and you can bet everything they do will be a out appeasing their own and pissing off the other side.
Right, see, there is common ground here. I know that Trump symbolized a desire for change, just like I know the Brexit Leave vote symbolized the same, SF in Ireland, FN in France, all various expressions of a desire for change. I shot down privileged liberals who called Trump voters idiots, just like I shot down pampered ex-Erasmus students who called Leave voters idiots. People like that have no notion of the lives some people live and the kind of existential, grinding yearning for change they have.
But Trump was as instantly obviously a fraud to what he supposedly symbolized as Boris fucking Johnson was. So, if I lay into Trump because of actions of his that douse conservatives with piss-poor reasoning and bullshit, that doesn't mean I think a Clinton administration would have been better. Sure, it would have been very different, much more "Presidential", but all the same divides and tensions still would have been there, BLM riots may still have happened, clashes like Charlottsville almost certainly. It's not like Trump would have just shut up if he'd lost. COVID still would have happened, and if Democrats had slapped on harsher lockdowns than Trump did, well you just would have had bigger conservative "freedoms" protests against them, and there's no reason to believe a single extra life would have been saved.
More often than not though, you speak as though you think Trump actually was what he merely symbolized. He wasn't.
Hey I have a few pints in me and I'll regret this in the morning but I'd be willing to meet you halfway absolutely on that but you wouldn't do the same even though you know you should. All that despite my being a massive fan of yours Chris..swoon! Trump came about because of the liberal bullshit, see how far we can take this woke lunacy before somebody actually decides to raise their voice in anger. The left just don't know when to stop is the problem. Most people are reasonable out, but you can just be pushing it too far aswell.
We (the ordinary man in the street who just wants a few pints on a Friday and maybe a handjob from the missus if she's in the mood) had Greta, BLM and the Coronacunts all preaching at us this year. There's only so much of that sanctimonious shite anyone can take tbh. So there was going to be a reaction and there will continue to be a reaction because most people would rather be wrong than have to listen to some arsehole telling them how wrong they are.
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Twitter saying they have "permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence".
We may never hear from him again :)
"Permanently suspended" sounds wrong.
About as predictable as the storming of Capitol Hill the other day. Am I the the only one who can see some pink haired, sexually confused gimp waiting for the past year with his hand on the mouse to click that 'permanently suspended' button? Jesus, how fucking boring. How utterly obvious the whole thing. I think I'm turning into Mugz...aagaghhhhhhh!!!!
Good riddance.
Which of his offspring will he start tweeting from. Does Barron have an account?
Let's hope so
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 09, 2021, 12:27:29 AM
Which of his offspring will he start tweeting from. Does Barron have an account?
https://twitter.com/barronjohn1946/status/1347694753786200064?s=19
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
The crackdown against anyone with wrongthink has begun. It's unbelievable, absolutely outrageous bullshit.
And if you believe it's because it's unmoderated, you are truly lost.
Parler is non-partisan(despite slurs to the contrary), allows 100% free speech and doesn't data pillage. No, can't have that.
Donald Trump suspended and the Chinese Communist Party isn't? It speaks volumes.
This is Soviet style, quasi-Orwellian suppression of those who veer away from the big tech/ libtard party line.
Telegram is a good alternative. I've found myself using Bitchute more than YouTube these days too.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
The crackdown against anyone with wrongthink has begun. It's unbelievable, absolutely outrageous bullshit.
And if you believe it's because it's unmoderated, you are truly lost.
Parler is non-partisan(despite slurs to the contrary), allows 100% free speech and doesn't data pillage. No, can't have that.
Donald Trump suspended and the Chinese Communist Party isn't? It speaks volumes.
This is Soviet style, quasi-Orwellian suppression of those who veer away from the big tech/ libtard party line.
Was going to say so it begins, but we are well on the good intentioned road to hell. Soon enough there will be only the one viewpoint to consider. Reminds me of that Chomsky quote about the illusion of free debate.
Ya, cuntish carry on. The new gods just got stronger.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 09, 2021, 12:00:58 PM
Telegram is a good alternative. I've found myself using Bitchute more than YouTube these days too.
I thought YouTube comments were bad, and then I read bitchute ones!
Telegram probably not a good replacement for Parler though? Parler is more a replacement for Twitter for a certain persuasion!
Although with Facebook hoovering up our WhatsApp messages maybe we all need to move to Telegram!
Fair play to Snowden for speaking out against it.
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 12:33:16 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 09, 2021, 12:00:58 PM
Telegram is a good alternative. I've found myself using Bitchute more than YouTube these days too.
I thought YouTube comments were bad, and then I read bitchute ones!
Telegram probably not a good replacement for Parler though? Parler is more a replacement for Twitter for a certain persuasion!
Although with Facebook hoovering up our WhatsApp messages maybe we all need to move to Telegram!
Yeah, sorry, I just mean for communication that isn't falling victim to censorship. For now anyway.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
The crackdown against anyone with wrongthink has begun. It's unbelievable, absolutely outrageous bullshit.
And if you believe it's because it's unmoderated, you are truly lost.
Parler is non-partisan(despite slurs to the contrary), allows 100% free speech and doesn't data pillage. No, can't have that.
Donald Trump suspended and the Chinese Communist Party isn't? It speaks volumes.
This is Soviet style, quasi-Orwellian suppression of those who veer away from the big tech/ libtard party line.
The mass censorship was predicted not just Trump loads of accounts were suspended last night. Pelosi desperate for impeachment and videos doing the rounds of security ushering people into congress the other day.
Plenty of politicians out in mass condemning what happened on the 6th yet they stayed silent while cities were on fire last year some even praised it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
and doesn't data pillage. No, can't have that.
Interesting, how do they manage to prove this? Would be interested in reading about it you've some links.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 09, 2021, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
The crackdown against anyone with wrongthink has begun. It's unbelievable, absolutely outrageous bullshit.
And if you believe it's because it's unmoderated, you are truly lost.
Parler is non-partisan(despite slurs to the contrary), allows 100% free speech and doesn't data pillage. No, can't have that.
Donald Trump suspended and the Chinese Communist Party isn't? It speaks volumes.
This is Soviet style, quasi-Orwellian suppression of those who veer away from the big tech/ libtard party line.
The mass censorship was predicted not just Trump loads of accounts were suspended last night. Pelosi desperate for impeachment and videos doing the rounds of security ushering people into congress the other day.
Plenty of politicians out in mass condemning what happened on the 6th yet they stayed silent while cities were on fire last year some even praised it.
I read a list of predictions last June-ish which predicted the censorship to properly kick in right about now. It also predicted a new mutation of covid for December which would be used to justify further lockdowns. It predicted that very soon the hospitals would be overrun due to staffing shortages and that the military would be used to keep the lockdowns going. Food shortages are to come next. Some of this is happening. The world bank debt forgiveness program if it happens will confirm that I am insane.
Edit: throwing this on here https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55569760
Anyway the way to Parler at the minute is to simply go through the browser and don't use the app. Bitchute is not bad either but there is a good lot of shit to sift through. Haven't looked at telegram is that an FB clone?
"The Donald vs Big Tech" ?
We have a winner!!
Telegram is more so a messenger, but you can kind of 'follow' people to get notifications about news and the like.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 09, 2021, 01:03:29 PM
Quote from: mickO))) on January 09, 2021, 12:49:44 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
The crackdown against anyone with wrongthink has begun. It's unbelievable, absolutely outrageous bullshit.
And if you believe it's because it's unmoderated, you are truly lost.
Parler is non-partisan(despite slurs to the contrary), allows 100% free speech and doesn't data pillage. No, can't have that.
Donald Trump suspended and the Chinese Communist Party isn't? It speaks volumes.
This is Soviet style, quasi-Orwellian suppression of those who veer away from the big tech/ libtard party line.
The mass censorship was predicted not just Trump loads of accounts were suspended last night. Pelosi desperate for impeachment and videos doing the rounds of security ushering people into congress the other day.
Plenty of politicians out in mass condemning what happened on the 6th yet they stayed silent while cities were on fire last year some even praised it.
I read a list of predictions last June-ish which predicted the censorship to properly kick in right about now. It also predicted a new mutation of covid for December which would be used to justify further lockdowns. It predicted that very soon the hospitals would be overrun due to staffing shortages and that the military would be used to keep the lockdowns going. Food shortages are to come next. Some of this is happening. The world bank debt forgiveness program if it happens will confirm that I am insane.
Anyway the way to Parler at the minute is to simply go through the browser and don't use the app. Bitchute is not bad either but there is a good lot of shit to sift through. Haven't looked at telegram is that an FB clone?
"The Donald vs Big Tech" ?
We have a winner!!
It's like WhatsApp.
Ah grand I can leave it so. It's sad to see the censorship kicking in, but my general feeling is that now there is only the one accepted view on everything, it's less of it all I need rather than alternatives.
This place covers most of it for me. I wonder how weird things would be if I used this place as my sole source of news?
Quote from: astfgyl on January 09, 2021, 01:03:29 PM
I read a list of predictions last June-ish which predicted the censorship to properly kick in right about now. It also predicted a new mutation of covid for December which would be used to justify further lockdowns. It predicted that very soon the hospitals would be overrun due to staffing shortages and that the military would be used to keep the lockdowns going. Food shortages are to come next. Some of this is happening. The world bank debt forgiveness program if it happens will confirm that I am insane.
Na just right wing Nazi conspiracy theories. Klaus has out best interests at heart he just wants to "build back better".
Telegram is similar to whatsapp.
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
and doesn't data pillage. No, can't have that.
Interesting, how do they manage to prove this? Would be interested in reading about it you've some links.
I heard one of the founders say it on the news this morning, how they prove it, I have no idea. There are many articles which 'verify' this claim, but on a technical level I have no idea.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.valuewalk.com/2020/12/big-tech-companies-under-scrutiny-data-mining/
Get the Ministry of Truth Fact Checkers on it. They can reassure us that everything is right in the world.
WhatsApp in on it too....
https://www.businessinsider.com/whatsapp-forcing-users-to-share-personal-data-facebook-elon-musk-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
Claims that it will not effect EU and UK users.
I think Parler is the only place alt-light (not a typo) comedians like Gavin McInnes can just be enjoyed for what they are instead screeching about him being Hitler.
Kudos to the Comissar for Re-Education and saboteur liquidation for going against the party line (I hope you're not going to be digitally erased from that selfie with Soros and end up in the boot of a Renault megane!)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
Google have suspended Parler from the play store, not a massive issue on android, but rumours of Apple doing the same if moderation is not brought in.
https://www.droid-life.com/2021/01/08/google-bans-parler-from-google-play/
and doesn't data pillage. No, can't have that.
Interesting, how do they manage to prove this? Would be interested in reading about it you've some links.
I heard one of the founders say it on the news this morning, how they prove it, I have no idea.
Haha fair play! Maybe we should dig a little deeper.
Actually I see Rebekah Mercer is a co-founder of Parler: https://www.reuters.com/article/parler-funding-mercer-idUSKBN27V020
The Mercers are an interesting read, Cambridge Analytica, Breitbart and more.
Yup, should be obvious by now that the enemy of your enemy is not by that merit alone your friend, whether that's GAFAs acting as the enemy of Trump all of a sudden, or things like Parler emerging as an adversary to FB and Twitter. A top personal responsibility is really to be more alert to this kind of psychological subterfuge. Personally, I wouldn't trust anyone at the head of Parler any more than I'd trust Zuckerberg. I won't call it any more than that for the moment, but there's certainly some very dark smoke coming off them:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201116/01141545710/what-if-cambridge-analytica-owned-own-social-network-ca-backer-rebekah-mercer-admits-shes-co-founder-parler.shtml
QuoteOh, and they've got access to a lot more private data than Facebook, Google or Twitter do. Hell, Matze practically brags to a Forbes reporter how he has all sorts of private data on the "leftist trolls" he's trying to ban:
"Matze knows the leftists' ages of the trolls, as he calls them, because some verified their accounts, coughing up selfies and driver's licenses or passports (a set of highly unusual requirements for proving identity and registering for an online account)."
Twitter doesn't require you to upload your driver's license. Also, if you want to have a verified account on Parler, you're required to hand over your Social Security Number as well.
Basically, the Mercers are building a huge database of gullible idiots that they can now market propaganda to directly, cutting out the Facebook middleman. I'm curious how it was a huge problem when it was happening by Facebook, but somehow fine when it's all directly on the Mercer's own social network?
Their privacy policy discusses how they share your data: https://legal.parler.com/documents/privacypolicy.pdf in the section titled "How We Share the Information We Collect".
And the link to the 3rd party analytics doesn't work for me.
"Analytics Partners. We use may use 3rd party analytics services to collect and process certain
application analytics data. You can learn about our most up-to-date 3rd party programs at this page:
https://home.parler.com/help/"
I guess you could look at the trackers they are using in the app.
And they don't seem to have their source code hosted publicly, but they do like to use Big Tech's open source Frameworks
https://builtwith.com/parler.com
Absolutely no surprises there that Parler would be as bad as anywhere else
I'm sure Bitchute and the like are no better, I mean there's a market there which must be seized upon.
Strange that CNN (judging by their coverage) don't seem to care that much about unarmed people being killed by the police anymore.
...edit , wrong link.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-mob-deaths/index.html
That's all they seemed to have said about it actually. Has there been any info into what exactly happened? All I heard is she was shot while standing by a window. I can only assume they thought she may have had a gun.
That article is about a police officer being killed, the opposite of what I mentioned. The unarmed woman killed by the police was fleetingly mentioned in one paragraph of many.
Or am I missing something?
Yeah sorry man my bad, was updating the post there as you replied.
She's mentioned in loads of CNN articles. The cop that shot her was immediately placed on administrative leave pending an investigation. What is it you want them to say?
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-mob-deaths/index.html
QuoteThe US Capitol Police employee who shot Babbitt has been placed on administrative leave and their police powers have been suspended pending a joint Metro Police and USCP investigation, USCP said.
"This is a tragic incident, and I send my condolences to the victim's family and friends," Metro Police Chief Contee said.
Two people who saw the shooting, left-wing activist John Sullivan and documentary filmmaker Jade Sacker, provided CNN with video of the incident and described the moments beforehand.
Sullivan said rioters were using flag poles and other items to smash glass windows inside the Capitol. The woman then tried to make her way through the window when several people with guns came out through the doorways.
"The second that she climbed through the window she got shot right in the neck area, fell backwards," Sullivan said in an interview that broadcast on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360."
"I just remember the sense of shock and sorrow that somebody just died and did not need to die."
Hearsay has it that Kevin Greeson, who had a heart-attack, accidentally tasered himself in the testicles which is what provoked the cardiac arrest :-X
Obviously it's 'mentioned', it's 'news'. I mean, what would have happened if it an unarmed black woman was shot in the neck trying to climb through a police station window during the BLM riots?
What do we know about this woman who was shot?
'Conspiracy theorist', 'Trumper'
Very few, if any headlines this morning mentioning her race or that she was unarmed.
She tried to climb through a broken window. Shot dead. Forgotten in a few days. Mike Brown shot dead trying to take a polices gun. Martyr, ceaseless 'hands up don't shoot' bullshit. Why do we accept such outrageous double standards?
Where are the knee taking pansies now, pigs in a blanket etc etc.
The hypocrisy is astounding, and should startle anyone with a brain.
Quote from: Nazgûl on January 09, 2021, 06:01:12 PM
...edit , wrong link.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-mob-deaths/index.html
That's all they seemed to have said about it actually. Has there been any info into what exactly happened? All I heard is she was shot while standing by a window. I can only assume they thought she may have had a gun.
Video of incident here (obviously someone gets shot warning before watching) : https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/
She was climbing through a window to the side of a door.
You said it was "fleetingly mentioned in one paragraph"; I gave you an article which dedicates a lengthy section to her and which doesn't in any way excuse or justify her killing by the policeman. Quite the opposite, it speaks of it being a tragedy and of her dying when she didn't need to.
BLM never invaded a top security government building while it was filled to the brim with top government employees and material (the electoral college votes) of the utmost national importance. So, we'll just never know how CNN would have reported such an incident, will we? But maybe you should review the circumstances of the deaths which led to the knee-taking phenomenon. I think you'll find there is no comparison whatsoever...and yet, CNN in that article still saw fit to publish the police's condolences, measures taken to investigate, and regrets of a witness to the event.
As for "Hands up, don't shoot!" and Mike Brown, don't worry, the camp you so strongly identify with will no doubt come up with something similar soon; sure you yourself are already instrumentalizing her as a martyr here, though you may not realize it.
BLM invaded and burnt down at least one (that I know of) police station, presumably full to the brim with armed police officer, an action which would ordinarily carry an extremely high risk of being shot to death. The police just handed it over and watched it happen because that was fine.
They mentioned that it was a tragedy. Clap clap. It would be quite a job, even for CNN, to 'justify' a police killing a civilian, these days in particular.
You are (quite deliberately) not addressing the blatant double standards between this and the Floyd or Brown cases. Both unarmed, both killed by the police. One was a career criminal and an absolute scumbag who held a knife to a pregnant woman's stomach in a robbery. They want to paint this cunt over St.Paul in The Last Fucking Supper! The other, a 14 year Air Force veteran, a non-scumbag who just happened to be white and a 'trumper'.
The reasons for 'taking a knee'? You mean police disproportionately killing blacks in the US? It's bogus! Bullshit. You probably believe on the gender pay gap too.
The undeniable fact is, if Babbit had been of another political persuasion or of any other ethnic group than she was, the reaction from your pals over at CNN and the Guardian would have been very different indeed.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 09, 2021, 06:28:58 PM
As for "Hands up, don't shoot!" and Mike Brown, don't worry, the camp you so strongly identify with will no doubt come up with something similar soon; sure you yourself are already instrumentalizing her as a martyr here, though you may not realize it.
Are you serious? If you try to steal a gun from a cop, in the USA, what the fuck did he expect? The whole hands up don't shoot narrative was bullshit, debunked.
I am pointing out double standards. You can't deny them, and of course, instead of acknowledging them, more waffle.
Good man.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 06:41:23 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 09, 2021, 06:28:58 PM
As for "Hands up, don't shoot!" and Mike Brown, don't worry, the camp you so strongly identify with will no doubt come up with something similar soon; sure you yourself are already instrumentalizing her as a martyr here, though you may not realize it.
Are you serious? If you try to steal a gun from a cop, in the USA, what the fuck did he expect? The whole hands up don't shoot narrative was bullshit, debunked.
I'm not saying it wasn't bullshit. I'm saying that Brown got his slogan, and I'm sure Babbit will get hers, especially given that your camp are already instrumentalizing her death to fight back against the outrage about how comparatively lightly policed the #StopTheSteal (also bullshit, let's not forget) march was compared to how heavily the Capitol was policed during the BLM riots.
QuoteIf you try to steal a gun from a cop, in the USA, what the fuck did he expect?
If you try to break into the Capitol Building of the USA, what the fuck do you expect? Calling out double standards me hole; you're just seething and not making sense.
I don't know whether it's deliberate or not at this point (God only knows with you), but I'm talking about the media reaction to the deaths. A clear double standard based on race and political persuasion which you ignore and waffle off on tangents.
The media also made ridiculous, false claims and excuses for the BLM mob running amok, terrorising whole cities, while condemning and calling rioters all kinds of bastards during the recent disturbances. I'm not defending the latter, it was wrong and dumb, but no more or less than your buddies from Nike Lives Matter. No balance of any kind.
You can't compare the media reaction, since there were witnesses claiming that Michael Brown had done nothing wrong. It was a complex investigation as a result. This is clear cut. She was very obviously in the wrong, but there was no need for her to be shot. It's nothing like George Floyd's death either. It's nothing like any of the BLM category deaths that I can think of tbh, but you probably have a more encyclopedic knowledge of them than I!
I saw the video and there was very little justification for the shooting. Really looks like the officer jumped the gun and apart from getting in the window she didn't appear very threatening. Then again the 1 minute video is easy to take out of context.
But it's also unsurprising that someone would get shot doing what they were doing.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 09, 2021, 06:55:16 PM
You can't compare the media reaction, since there were witnesses claiming that Michael Brown had done nothing wrong. It was a complex investigation as a result. This is clear cut. She was very obviously in the wrong, but there was no need for her to be shot. It's nothing like George Floyd's death either. It's nothing like any of the BLM category deaths that I can think of tbh, but you probably have a more encyclopedic knowledge of them than I!
You can and should compare them, considering the apocalyptic reaction to the Floyd killing. Not for political point scoring, but whether or not blacks are going to be placed in a position of eternal victimhood and condescension, and whether injustices visited upon them are somehow graver than those suffered by pale faces. 'Minorities' have become the pets of privileged white liberals, a cause du jour, but for toujours now it seems.
I put the question to you once again, would the reaction have been the same if an unarmed, black BLM supporting woman was shot by the police in either identical circumstances or during an invasion of a police station?
Quote from: astfgyl on January 09, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
I saw the video and there was very little justification for the shooting. Really looks like the officer jumped the gun and apart from getting in the window she didn't appear very threatening. Then again the 1 minute video is easy to take out of context.
But it's also unsurprising that someone would get shot doing what they were doing.
Yeah getting that close to Pence and the others and a guy pointing a gun at you and you continuing just seems inevitable.
But I agree from what I saw that they should not have shot her. It's sad that a conspiracy theory about a rigged election is what led her there that day.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 07:07:04 PM
I put the question to you once again, would the reaction have been the same if an unarmed, black BLM supporting woman was shot by the police in either identical circumstances or during an invasion of a police station?
If the reason for the invasion was, say, the Reverend Al Sharpton lying to this imaginary person, telling her that someone in the building was plotting to destroy her country and her future, despite all protestations to the contrary, I don't know how that would be reported. It seems a pointless exercise in impossible comparisons, but you can be guaranteed Sharpton would take a lot of slack for it!
The answer is 'no' regardless.
Al Sharpton. Ollkiller, would you take him over Trump?
The thing is is that her being shot isn't the biggest story here. In fact, the miracle of her being the only one shot is a bigger story than her being shot. Reasonably speaking, the US Capitol should have been defended with much stronger response. She's not so much unlucky as everyone else, bar the policeman beaten to death and the others dead of various causes, is lucky.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 07:50:58 PM
The answer is 'no' regardless.
Al Sharpton. Ollkiller, would you take him over Trump?
I know fuck all about Sharpton to be honest. He is dodgy or something. Also what is all this about and why am I being dragged into it.
Kev just tugged on your jumper cos he wants to make a new goalpost.
In unrelated Twitter news, for all those who thought only conservatives were being censored, Sci-Hub's account has also been suspended:
https://torrentfreak.com/sci-hub-founder-criticises-sudden-twitter-ban-over-over-counterfeit-content-210108/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 09, 2021, 07:54:46 PM
The thing is is that her being shot isn't the biggest story here. In fact, the miracle of her being the only one shot is a bigger story than her being shot. Reasonably speaking, the US Capitol should have been defended with much stronger response. She's not so much unlucky as everyone else, bar the policeman beaten to death and the others dead of various causes, is lucky.
That's more your musing out loud than the actual story of an unarmed woman being killed by the police.
You mentioned moving goalposts?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 09, 2021, 07:54:46 PM
The thing is is that her being shot isn't the biggest story here. In fact, the miracle of her being the only one shot is a bigger story than her being shot. Reasonably speaking, the US Capitol should have been defended with much stronger response. She's not so much unlucky as everyone else, bar the policeman beaten to death and the others dead of various causes, is lucky.
This was my first thought. That Davy Crockett fucker was carrying a spear. There should've been bodies everywhere.
As long as the bodies belong to Trumpers, and preferably white.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 09, 2021, 07:54:46 PM
The thing is is that her being shot isn't the biggest story here. In fact, the miracle of her being the only one shot is a bigger story than her being shot. Reasonably speaking, the US Capitol should have been defended with much stronger response. She's not so much unlucky as everyone else, bar the policeman beaten to death and the others dead of various causes, is lucky.
That's more your musing out loud than the actual story of an unarmed woman being killed by the police.
You mentioned moving goalposts?
The mob she was part of beat a policeman with a fire extinguisher and he died of those injuries. Inside the US Capitol. Damn right they were all lucky.
They certainly wouldn't have gotten away with all the runners and tellys without a hail of bullets, that's for sure.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 09, 2021, 08:18:18 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 09, 2021, 07:54:46 PM
The thing is is that her being shot isn't the biggest story here. In fact, the miracle of her being the only one shot is a bigger story than her being shot. Reasonably speaking, the US Capitol should have been defended with much stronger response. She's not so much unlucky as everyone else, bar the policeman beaten to death and the others dead of various causes, is lucky.
This was my first thought. That Davy Crockett fucker was carrying a spear. There should've been bodies everywhere.
If it was a BLM protest there would have been. Should she have been shot. On the evidence of the 1 minute video no (also did she not see the men with guns behind the door). But if anyone said to you someone got shot and killed when a mob stormed a government building trying to stop certifying a president you'd be like. Ok. They should have been beat Landowne Rd style out of the gaff.
Has there been any good write up on whether Trump could face any trouble due to the deaths at the Capitol building.
I remember laws about that stuff being rather strange when reading about Charles Manson, and that they never even had to prove he ordered them to carry out the murders.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 08:31:12 PM
They certainly wouldn't have gotten away with all the runners and tellys without a hail of bullets, that's for sure.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/four-dead-after-pro-trump-rioters-storm-capitol.html
50 police officers injured. Sure there's video of them kicking and punching police to get past the fences. Kicking and punching police. Kicking and punching police. One person shot. In the USA. About time to put your nonsense to bed. They were all lucky as fuck...to be Trump supporters and not BLM protestors.
T'would be a can of worms that one.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 09, 2021, 08:38:42 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 09, 2021, 08:31:12 PM
They certainly wouldn't have gotten away with all the runners and tellys without a hail of bullets, that's for sure.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/four-dead-after-pro-trump-rioters-storm-capitol.html
50 police officers injured. Sure there's video of them kicking and punching police to get past the fences. Kicking and punching police. Kicking and punching police. One person shot. In the USA. About time to put your nonsense to bed. They were all lucky as fuck...to be Trump supporters and not BLM protestors.
The last line is lifted from or inspired by the Washington Post headline , and it's nonsense, like your 'point'.
Dozens have died and countless beatings, intimidation's, billions of dollars worth of damage, businesses destroyed and endless, vacuous virtue signalling wrecking the whole worlds head. Nike Lives Matter.
Shouldn't you sad arses be drinking beer and having an auld J at this time of a Saturday evening?
I'm on my third Madagascar film in a row with the young lad. Need an excuse to look at the phone.
"the Washington Post headline"
What "Washington Post headline"? Is this like when you made the idiotic assumption that I was getting my information about a murder in France from The Guardian??
Catch you later man; sooner or later it always becomes tiresome discussing with someone who has voluntarily surrendered the capacity for independent thought. You're doing the worst kind of tit for tat that Pedro was correctly condemning last night. Being a little bitch, crying that the world isn't fair because CNN aren't covering a story the way you'd like.
The pot calling the kettle black in the most self absorbed way possible 😂😂😂
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:46:53 PM
That's not my understanding. As in there is no confirmed investigation involving the laptop that Rudi Giuliani brought attention to.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 07, 2021, 02:49:31 PM
The laptop where the blind guy helped the FBI get the info off the hard drive. That one?
By the looks of it we will be getting an update on Hunter Biden very soon.
Quote from: pete on January 09, 2021, 07:31:54 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 09, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
I saw the video and there was very little justification for the shooting. Really looks like the officer jumped the gun and apart from getting in the window she didn't appear very threatening. Then again the 1 minute video is easy to take out of context.
But it's also unsurprising that someone would get shot doing what they were doing.
Yeah getting that close to Pence and the others and a guy pointing a gun at you and you continuing just seems inevitable.
But I agree from what I saw that they should not have shot her. It's sad that a conspiracy theory about a rigged election is what led her there that day.
Yep. It's also sad that we are in the day and age where there is so much bullshit in the world that to a massive amount of people, the idea of an election being rigged right under the noses of the entire world is believable enough not to be simply laughed off.
I have already seen one video saying that she wasn't shot at all and it was all an act, mentioning how her bag was positioned to stop her banging her head when she fell, that she didn't fall she jumped, and that it was fake blood put on her. Sad sad stuff but even sadder that a lot of "patriots" will buy right into it because everything is so fucked that it can actually seem believable.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 09, 2021, 11:25:29 PM
Quote from: pete on January 07, 2021, 02:46:53 PM
That's not my understanding. As in there is no confirmed investigation involving the laptop that Rudi Giuliani brought attention to.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 07, 2021, 02:49:31 PM
The laptop where the blind guy helped the FBI get the info off the hard drive. That one?
By the looks of it we will be getting an update on Hunter Biden very soon.
There is a video knocking around where some fella is saying Pelosi's laptop was pinched the other day as well. What you have on Hunter? I didn't hear a lot about him lately bar the statement a few weeks back
Looks like Big Donnie is gonna be impeached on Monday. Poor lad, he's just a humble filler of pot holes, golf holes, porn holes and heads of gullible fuckwits.
Lol.... :laugh:
On what the bans reveal about the power wielded by big tech, an NYT perspective (i.e. as critical of Trump as of big tech):
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/technology/trump-twitter-ban.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
And apple have now banned Parler from their app store.
And Amazon will be suspending their AWS account today, so Parler will need to move to a new hosting service.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 10, 2021, 03:29:59 AM
On what the bans reveal about the power wielded by big tech, an NYT perspective (i.e. as critical of Trump as of big tech):
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/technology/trump-twitter-ban.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
They really went to town using Mr. Trump rather than President Trump. Maybe that's normal though!
It could be trying to distinguish between his official POTUS account and his realDonaldTrump account which he had long before President...?
Wall Street Journal, a Murdoch outlet, saying he should resign over what happened, claiming what he did here really was, unlike last time, impeachable and so he should resign instead:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-final-days-11610062773?mod=e2two
Fox are also gearing up for a shift of tack into opposition, where they will thrive even more than they did while being on the majority side the last four years.
None of that is remotely surprising or unpredictable.
You don't have a monopoly on predictable posts.
Certainly not on ostentatious waffling either.
Speaking of ostentatious waffle, the full transcript of Trump's over one hour speech in Washington on the 6th is readily found online. The opening and closing paragraphs are of interest. The middle thousand are just repeating the multiple, each more unfounded than the last, claims of voter fraud.
The WSJ editorial isn't surprising, but it is of interest to have a hardline conservative critical take on what happened, just like it was of interest to have a progressive critical take on big tech power abuses.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 10, 2021, 11:02:46 AM
It could be trying to distinguish between his official POTUS account and his realDonaldTrump account which he had long before President...?
Wall Street Journal, a Murdoch outlet, saying he should resign over what happened, claiming what he did here really was, unlike last time, impeachable and so he should resign instead:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-final-days-11610062773?mod=e2two
Fox are also gearing up for a shift of tack into opposition, where they will thrive even more than they did while being on the majority side the last four years.
Poor Donnie. Everyone is so mean to him.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 10, 2021, 11:27:22 AM
Speaking of ostentatious waffle, the full transcript of Trump's over one hour speech in Washington on the 6th is readily found online. The opening and closing paragraphs are of interest. The middle thousand are just repeating the multiple, each more unfounded than the last, claims of voter fraud.
The WSJ editorial isn't surprising, but it is of interest to have a hardline conservative critical take on what happened, just like it was of interest to have a progressive critical take on big tech power abuses.
The NYT article is succinct and relatively crisp which is surprising. I hadn't really considered the considerable outside pressure on the tech companies.
Just read it there. A good article indeed.
"No serious thinker believes that Twitter and Facebook, as private companies, are obligated to give any user a platform, just as no one doubts that a restaurant owner can boot an unruly diner for causing a scene. But there are legitimate questions about whether a small handful of unelected tech executives, accountable only to their boards and shareholders (and, in Mr. Zuckerberg's case, to neither) should wield such enormous power. "
I agree with this but it's interesting that it's becoming an issue now it doesn't suit people who have had enormous power for decades. Is it just that Big Tech don't go to the same parties as the old guard?
Quote from: pete on January 10, 2021, 12:07:44 PM
"No serious thinker believes that Twitter and Facebook, as private companies, are obligated to give any user a platform, just as no one doubts that a restaurant owner can boot an unruly diner for causing a scene. But there are legitimate questions about whether a small handful of unelected tech executives, accountable only to their boards and shareholders (and, in Mr. Zuckerberg's case, to neither) should wield such enormous power. "
I agree with this but it's interesting that it's becoming an issue now it doesn't suit people who have had enormous power for decades. Is it just that Big Tech don't go to the same parties as the old guard?
The simple answer is that they have gotten too big for their boots and in some ways they have the whole world by the short and curlies. It's probably too late for much to be done about it. Like even if there was a grassroots/astroturfing campaign to get us all out of their clutches, it would be difficult to do without using them. Leaving the whole for/against Trump out of it, the situation has certainly highlighted how much power these few wield and it's rather creepy. Basically all of 2020 wouldn't have been possible without them.
Weird and sad times we live in. Or Interesting Times maybe.
Edit: here's a tweet from Gab.com
QuoteWe are getting resumes from senior level employees at Big Tech companies.
Hearing that many people are putting in their two weeks too. Internal civil war among staff and executives.
Panic in Silicon Valley.
The house of cards falls.
The exodus has begun.
Wonder what that's all about?
Quote from: astfgyl on January 10, 2021, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: pete on January 10, 2021, 12:07:44 PM
"No serious thinker believes that Twitter and Facebook, as private companies, are obligated to give any user a platform, just as no one doubts that a restaurant owner can boot an unruly diner for causing a scene. But there are legitimate questions about whether a small handful of unelected tech executives, accountable only to their boards and shareholders (and, in Mr. Zuckerberg's case, to neither) should wield such enormous power. "
I agree with this but it's interesting that it's becoming an issue now it doesn't suit people who have had enormous power for decades. Is it just that Big Tech don't go to the same parties as the old guard?
The simple answer is that they have gotten too big for their boots and in some ways they have the whole world by the short and curlies. It's probably too late for much to be done about it. Like even if there was a grassroots/astroturfing campaign to get us all out of their clutches, it would be difficult to do without using them. Leaving the whole for/against Trump out of it, the situation has certainly highlighted how much power these few wield and it's rather creepy. Basically all of 2020 wouldn't have been possible without them.
Weird and sad times we live in. Or Interesting Times maybe.
Yeah fair enough but suppose I just feel it has always been the case. Trump and his buddies like Roger Ailes always had too much power. Trump should be showing Dorsey as the perfect embodiment of the American dream haha.
Carlos Slim the largest single shareholder in the New York Times Company, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim
"His conglomerate includes education, health care, industrial manufacturing, transportation, real estate, media, energy, hospitality, entertainment, high-technology, retail, sports and financial services.[2][3][7][8] He accounts for 40% of the listings on the Mexican Stock Exchange,[7] while his net worth is equivalent to about 6 percent of Mexico's gross domestic product"
You're right it has always been the case, it just wasn't as obvious or highlighted. I guess that someone has to own the news and that is always going to lead to bias in one direction or another. Some of them are just better at making it look like they are balanced than others. I might have been living under a rock, but I've never heard of Carlos Slim and look at what he's been tipping away at. Makes me wonder who else is operating at the fringes of the public eye that I've never heard of. Is there a sort of Battle of the Billionaires going on here with the more traditional sources feeling now could be a good time to pull the rug from under the social media platforms with some well timed op-ed pieces and try grab back a bit of that sweet market share?
As much as I feel he was out of his depth simply running for president, I have to feel a bit sorry for Biden coming in, given the awful mess he is about to inherit. US has been divided for a long time and these moves to streamline public opinion through censorship will surely only deepen the divide. Hope we don't ever end up like that in this country, as bad as it is.
Jonathan Pie has his take. He has a point.
https://youtu.be/nO7paBcllck
You only enjoyed that because he used the expression "moving the goalposts", didn't you? :P :laugh:
Contributing factor, absolutely!
Bill Burr hit the nail on the head with this. Everyone else can fuck off.
https://youtu.be/Oco1z45o0Vs
Go get 'em Bill!
:laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 10, 2021, 01:19:00 PM
Jonathan Pie has his take. He has a point.
https://youtu.be/nO7paBcllck
Aye he has good takes on most things. Twitter itself is a fucking stain on humanity. An absolute cesspit.
It is. But it's also somewhere you find things like this: Footage of various militia, including Oathkeepers, slipping in relatively unseen on the day, behind the cover of the circus figures:
https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1348115530654347266
Don't know what to make of this:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210106072816/https://pafa2021.com/how%2C-when%2C-where
QuoteThe Assembly
The initial assembly of patriots will be at the steps of the Capitol building in Washington DC, and will continue to build over the course of Saturday January 16, and, Sunday January 17, 2021. There should be a state flag, and American flag, present for each state so patriots can gather with other patriots from their home states. If multiple flags are displayed for a state, each group should walk towards each other to become one group for that state. We will gather for 2 hours each day starting at 12:00 noon so that numbers can be assessed. If at 2:00 on Sunday 1/17 it is becomes obvious that the will to fight for America against democrat tyranny is not strong enough for the turnout to be effective, the PAFA2021 will be declared a lost cause and Joseph Biden will be allowed to be inaugurated.
It reads like a grassroots mobilization for a coup, but I don't know to what extent there is support for this, or whether in reality it's not significantly more crackpots than invaded on the 6th. I guess we'll find out!
It will surely come to nothing on the day, much like the last try. Be interesting to see all the same.
Is Trump far-right? Or is he just not far-left?
Donald will be whatever you want him to be, just Text TRUMP to 88022!!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 10, 2021, 02:35:28 PM
Don't know what to make of this:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210106072816/https://pafa2021.com/how%2C-when%2C-where
QuoteThe Assembly
The initial assembly of patriots will be at the steps of the Capitol building in Washington DC, and will continue to build over the course of Saturday January 16, and, Sunday January 17, 2021. There should be a state flag, and American flag, present for each state so patriots can gather with other patriots from their home states. If multiple flags are displayed for a state, each group should walk towards each other to become one group for that state. We will gather for 2 hours each day starting at 12:00 noon so that numbers can be assessed. If at 2:00 on Sunday 1/17 it is becomes obvious that the will to fight for America against democrat tyranny is not strong enough for the turnout to be effective, the PAFA2021 will be declared a lost cause and Joseph Biden will be allowed to be inaugurated.
It reads like a grassroots mobilization for a coup, but I don't know to what extent there is support for this, or whether in reality it's not significantly more crackpots than invaded on the 6th. I guess we'll find out!
That poor oul horse is red raw at this stage
I have to agree with Bill "Big Tech Money" Burr there!
The Netflix Money rant was good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL7fybhprNA
Quote from: astfgyl on January 10, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
You're right it has always been the case, it just wasn't as obvious or highlighted. I guess that someone has to own the news and that is always going to lead to bias in one direction or another. Some of them are just better at making it look like they are balanced than others. I might have been living under a rock, but I've never heard of Carlos Slim and look at what he's been tipping away at. Makes me wonder who else is operating at the fringes of the public eye that I've never heard of. Is there a sort of Battle of the Billionaires going on here with the more traditional sources feeling now could be a good time to pull the rug from under the social media platforms with some well timed op-ed pieces and try grab back a bit of that sweet market share?
Ha yeah I don't know. Just seems like these guys have now more power than the lads who used to, so now we should change the rules. But I don't disagree, but not sure what it looks like or how it would be done. Interesting though.
Off topic but I felt the same when the 'common man' (?) was being told not to hoard toilet paper and food at the start of the pandemic from people who hoarded property, money and power for years, but were suddenly getting a bit worried that they might not be able to get some toilet paper :) hoarding bad!
Have a listen to this excellent breakdown by Russell Brand of all people. Again, what an insightful guy. Brilliant.
Listen to the statistic about how much the billionaire class made during this pandemic and then look at how many people are out of work because of it: tens of millions.
A whole system that has fucked people over all the way from before the financial crisis all the way through that shitstorm and it has never been put right. Neo-liberal hell.
People were blamed for buying houses in Ireland..imagine that? I fell into that way of thinking. It's your fault you dope with your 6 C's in your leaving and your college degree. You should have seen this coming. It wasn't the banks fault or all them bastards who made massive coin off of this through pure manipulation.
Now we're to blame for old people dying, for spreading a disease that no one can see. Something you have absolutely zero control over.
You're also to blame for all the racism out there because you're complicit and privileged and probably because you're white.
You're to blame for global warming because you need a car to get to work and don't want your kids grovelling around in dirt trying to find a potato that we can all fight over at the dinner table.
What is Joe-Spanner not to blame for? Why is it always the lad on the street who is responsible for these things when the only way he has to change any of it is the odd vote for a politician who probably won't do any of the things he promised he would do.
And people aren't allowed to feel disenfranchised or pissed off? They're supposed to be able to distinguish between all the fucking bullshit that is written in the media, all the poison that is pumped at them through their tv screens whilst holding down a job, commuting, bringing the kids to football, cook the dinner, clean the house, some cunt boss breathing down his neck because he's 7 minutes to work on a Thursday etc etc etc?
Definitely not condoning Capitol Hill and yes Trump isn't the right man. But none of the rest of them are either. They're just as responsible for what happened the other day.
https://youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY
Quote from: Pedrito on January 10, 2021, 01:48:09 PM
Bill Burr hit the nail on the head with this. Everyone else can fuck off.
https://youtu.be/Oco1z45o0Vs
If I didn't know better I would have thought Bill was critiquing the on going tennis match between the Mexican Fuhrer and the Greystonese Korl Morx.
Bah Brand is contradicting Burr - it's getting too hard to follow!
No he's not, they're saying the same thing. People riled up by politicians, media and social media companies all making money off this and who answer to nobody.
I felt Bill was saying the people who stormed the Capitol are just idiots who don't represent the right/conservatives but Brand is saying they are more than that and to dismiss them as idiots is wrong.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 10, 2021, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 10, 2021, 01:48:09 PM
Bill Burr hit the nail on the head with this. Everyone else can fuck off.
https://youtu.be/Oco1z45o0Vs
If I didn't know better I would have thought Bill was critiquing the on going tennis match between the Mexican Fuhrer and the Greystonese Korl Morx.
That last line would be a money spinner on YouTube, but I'd have to have Stormfront and The Daily Wire in front of me.
Looks like the removal of Parler from AWS will be going ahead, a parley from John Matze confirms, Twitter link to save people signing up to Parler :)
https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1348097074772930560
Will be interesting to see how the move goes. He reckons he's be fully operational by 12 noon Monday, so only 12 hours downtime when Amazon turn it off. You feel it will take a while to move but it seems they are not using any propriety Amazon stuff, but still. And you'd imagine wherever they end up will leave them more susceptible to denial of service attacks at the least.
This is funny from him, "will have to do until the Linux phones are finally ready"
https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1348129495589392388?s=20
Since we're talking about the wealth distribution, found this a while ago which really hammers home how ridiculous the wealth of the mega rich really is
https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/
Arnie with a mix of hyperbole, platitudes, and Conan's sword. I didn't make it to the end tbh, but it's Arnie and this is a metal forum:
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240
Normally love the guy but I think he thinks he's on the Terminator set there.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 10, 2021, 05:08:50 PM
https://youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY
Couple of things.
Key to what Brand is saying is we need to understand that people who voted for Trump didn't do so because they are "idiots," but also that Trump absolutely lied to them from day one and will continue to lie to whoever will listen to him into the future. Trump is one of the "bad guys," in that he is a crony of the mega-rich, and in fact would like to have his place alongside them a lot more than, in wealth reality, he actually does.
What Brand is also saying is that things were not, and don't look to get, fundamentally better for the every man under the Democrats, who ultimately represent first and foremost the interests of the super rich and powerful just as much. This is just clear thinking. It was laughable when Obama got elected the extent to which people thought it was going to revolutionize everything. It was laughable when Trump got elected, it was laughable two months ago when Biden got elected.
The question I always have for my regular interlocutors here, though, is why, then, criticism of Trump - invariably well founded - was always met as if it was an apology for the Democrats? Surely this is as much the problem as anything else; the ability only to see things in the most binary terms. There was rarely any objective reason to defend Trump, insofar as genuinely understanding why people voted for him didn't require any defense of him as a human or as a political figure, since they (they being the blue collar workers, etc.) voted for him based on an overarching lie. There were only comparative excuses being made.
"Trump did X heinous thing."
"Yeah, but random liberal did Y heinous thing."
"Eh, okay, but that doesn't mean that doing X is grand, that's not how things work."
Anyone who wants to grow as an individual needs to separate two things; blame and responsibility. If you think that ultimately someone else is to blame for mistakes you made, fine. But you also need to swallow responsibility for them if you want to learn from them; if you get stuck in the blame of others state, you don't get anywhere. I lost money related to the financial crisis, some savings I re-invested when my SSI matured, under advice from the bank, ended up losing a few thousand when the bubble burst. There were people at the time suing banks and financial institutes for bad advice, etc. But push come to shove, I invested at the time simply because I wanted to make some money, because I wanted a bigger slice of the pie. Now maybe the banks were to blame for pushing people to invest, but by refusing on principle to try and "go after them" I accepted that the responsibility, as far as I was concerned, lay ultimately with me, and that decision sowed the seeds of several invaluable lessons as regards how the world works and how rotten that pie I wanted more of is.
I understood why people voted for Trump, even though I could see he was obviously lying to them. Why was it, why does it remain, so difficult to understand why the BLM protestors took to the street? It's the same heady cocktail of real life struggle and top-down bullshit that stirred up the two groups. And the same in Dublin recently. Those BLM style riots didn't happen just because a black guy got killed. They happened because people are sick of their existences, need to fucking vent, and are waiting for an outlet to do it through. The gardai understood that, to a certain extent, and took a hands off approach. Trump understood that too, and used it to his benefit by inciting the most motivated of his sick-of-it-all followers, the ones who had already traipsed across the country to support him in his bullshit, by exploiting their state of mind and state of existence to the service of his mega-rich cunt vanity project. Fuck Trump. Fuck Biden. Fuck the lot of them. But most of all, Fuck Kev :abbath: :laugh:
In much the way that Trump was sort of inevitable as the protest vote against the status quo, was the Capitol invasion not then the logical progression when people see that the status quo is about to be reinstated in full? Getting rid of Trump or silencing conservatives on social media will do exactly nothing to right the perceived wrongs which have these people voting for Trump or storming the capitol. How are they ever going to find some common ground over there with how ridiculous this has all gotten? You and me mightn't hear much about it if the Ministry of Truth has their way but that will in no way make it go away. If these benevolent overlords truly wanted to do something about incitement to violence and hate speech then they should simply censor themselves and cease to exist, but that won't happen. Or they could remove all the democrat accounts which also spout shite all day long at the same time as removing the republican ones but that won't happen.
So for all the leftists here, do you think that the removal of dissenting voices from the internet is a good thing? And how has it happened that the left (which I always felt an affinity for as a young fella) has become synonymous with censorship, extreme compliance, and tolerance to the point of intolerance? In my mind as a young lad, the leftist opinion represented the notion of real change towards what was fair and equal in the world as a protest against the corporate style of things but it really hasn't turned out that way and now that they are doing better than the opposite side, what they are advocating is some fucked up hybrid of Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia. What a crazy crazy flip. I had always thought of the right as the ones likely to bring in the technocratic future and enslavement of the common man to massive corporations but it's actually the same outcome no matter which side gets on top, just that the reasoning for it is different, but the boot is still stamping on the face as predicted. And that is no endorsement of either side, I'm just wondering if any of the leftists here are horrified at all to see it turn out this way.
And for some reason I found Arnie to be fucking annoying with that speech as well and no need for it. In fact the only sort of weak parallel to Kristallnacht going on this year was the destruction of small businesses during the BLM riots and the man on the street taking on the seat of government doesn't really compare. Well my example doesn't compare well either I suppose but still, fuck off Arnie and stay in the 80s where you were loved.
And seeing as the new reply has been posted, there is no one on the democrat side who is any less full of shit than Trump. They are all full of shit.
Edit: so here is the new echo chamber for the Twitter outcasts: https://gab.com/
And here is Andrew Torba's statement from today
QuoteLegacy media: you told us to "build our own platform."
We did.
You spent 4 years calling us "nazis" for doing it.
Now you want to talk?
I don't think so.
We have our own blog.
We have our own YouTube for video.
We have our own platform for distribution.
Enjoy the show.
So the circle of shit continues.
You're preaching to the converted here Chris. Like we all know we need to grow as individuald and don't need lectures on it to be frank.
I would say Trump was never, ever given a chance. He was denigrated and attacked from day one. The left, backed up by the worlds' media went into an absolute frenzy from day one with the guy. I think lots of reasonable people were willing to put up with his bullshit once they saw what really amounts to bullying take place. Nobody deserves whatever the hell that was over the last few years and anybody who thinks that way needs to go and have a look at themselves.
We talk about black people and God knows they suffer enough, but is that an excuse to hurl accusations and insults at anyone we deem not to singing off the hymnsheet of 'white privilege', 'institutional racism' etc? There's absolutely nothing constructive about any of it and we'll be lucky if the farce the other day at Capitol Hill was the climax of everything because it could have been 100 times worse.
The banking crisis is no good reason(or is it?) For people to resort to violence but history tells us that it only takes a few factors comjing together to spark shit off. Personally, I'm taking the Bill Burr approach. I see it all as a bit of a farce to be honest. The lad with the horns, if he's the biggest threat to democracy out there then I think we can all rest easy. The real damage is being done far from sight, behind the scenes. The neo-liberal agenda, the mass manipulation. That's what those people are riled up about, but a little like leftist politics in general, these QAnon etc don't seem to be all coming at this thing from the same angle. They're a mish mash of all sorts of grievances that would go over the head of 95% of the population. Trump provides some sort of symbol that they can all gather around, but it's plain to see his heart's not in it. For that reason it'll fall on its arse.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 10, 2021, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 10, 2021, 05:08:50 PM
https://youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY
Couple of things.
Key to what Brand is saying is we need to understand that people who voted for Trump didn't do so because they are "idiots," but also that Trump absolutely lied to them from day one and will continue to lie to whoever will listen to him into the future. Trump is one of the "bad guys," in that he is a crony of the mega-rich, and in fact would like to have his place alongside them a lot more than, in wealth reality, he actually does.
What Brand is also saying is that things were not, and don't look to get, fundamentally better for the every man under the Democrats, who ultimately represent first and foremost the interests of the super rich and powerful just as much. This is just clear thinking. It was laughable when Obama got elected the extent to which people thought it was going to revolutionize everything. It was laughable when Trump got elected, it was laughable two months ago when Biden got elected.
The question I always have for my regular interlocutors here, though, is why, then, criticism of Trump - invariably well founded - was always met as if it was an apology for the Democrats? Surely this is as much the problem as anything else; the ability only to see things in the most binary terms. There was rarely any objective reason to defend Trump, insofar as genuinely understanding why people voted for him didn't require any defense of him as a human or as a political figure, since they (they being the blue collar workers, etc.) voted for him based on an overarching lie. There were only comparative excuses being made.
"Trump did X heinous thing."
"Yeah, but random liberal did Y heinous thing."
"Eh, okay, but that doesn't mean that doing X is grand, that's not how things work."
Anyone who wants to grow as an individual needs to separate two things; blame and responsibility. If you think that ultimately someone else is to blame for mistakes you made, fine. But you also need to swallow responsibility for them if you want to learn from them; if you get stuck in the blame of others state, you don't get anywhere. I lost money related to the financial crisis, some savings I re-invested when my SSI matured, under advice from the bank, ended up losing a few thousand when the bubble burst. There were people at the time suing banks and financial institutes for bad advice, etc. But push come to shove, I invested at the time simply because I wanted to make some money, because I wanted a bigger slice of the pie. Now maybe the banks were to blame for pushing people to invest, but by refusing on principle to try and "go after them" I accepted that the responsibility, as far as I was concerned, lay ultimately with me, and that decision sowed the seeds of several invaluable lessons as regards how the world works and how rotten that pie I wanted more of is.
I understood why people voted for Trump, even though I could see he was obviously lying to them. Why was it, why does it remain, so difficult to understand why the BLM protestors took to the street? It's the same heady cocktail of real life struggle and top-down bullshit that stirred up the two groups. And the same in Dublin recently. Those BLM style riots didn't happen just because a black guy got killed. They happened because people are sick of their existences, need to fucking vent, and are waiting for an outlet to do it through. The gardai understood that, to a certain extent, and took a hands off approach. Trump understood that too, and used it to his benefit by inciting the most motivated of his sick-of-it-all followers, the ones who had already traipsed across the country to support him in his bullshit, by exploiting their state of mind and state of existence to the service of his mega-rich cunt vanity project. Fuck Trump. Fuck Biden. Fuck the lot of them. But most of all, Fuck Kev :abbath: :laugh:
This is eloquent and seems reasonable and balanced. Perhaps it is. But this Bolshevik will have us all up against the wall for 'sabotage' the first chance he gets.
Henry VIII was a pious, elegant, highly gifted young man, and Reinhard Heydrich played first chair violin, enjoyed poetry and cried upon hearing Mozart. Guy Burgess worked for the the British Secret Service, a Cambridge educated, brilliant linguist with a beautiful command of the English language. He also drank about 10 bottles of French (I don't believe in coincidences!!) wine a day frequently and passed secrets to the Soviets.
I don't think I need to spell this out for anyone.
Do not be seduced by the Greystones NKVD!
Actually, I've just had it revealed to me that we've all, ALL been paying attention to the wrong thing. What's really, really important at the moment is correct punctuation!
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1348179963288170498
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 10, 2021, 07:59:57 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 10, 2021, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 10, 2021, 05:08:50 PM
https://youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY
Couple of things.
Key to what Brand is saying is we need to understand that people who voted for Trump didn't do so because they are "idiots," but also that Trump absolutely lied to them from day one and will continue to lie to whoever will listen to him into the future. Trump is one of the "bad guys," in that he is a crony of the mega-rich, and in fact would like to have his place alongside them a lot more than, in wealth reality, he actually does.
What Brand is also saying is that things were not, and don't look to get, fundamentally better for the every man under the Democrats, who ultimately represent first and foremost the interests of the super rich and powerful just as much. This is just clear thinking. It was laughable when Obama got elected the extent to which people thought it was going to revolutionize everything. It was laughable when Trump got elected, it was laughable two months ago when Biden got elected.
The question I always have for my regular interlocutors here, though, is why, then, criticism of Trump - invariably well founded - was always met as if it was an apology for the Democrats? Surely this is as much the problem as anything else; the ability only to see things in the most binary terms. There was rarely any objective reason to defend Trump, insofar as genuinely understanding why people voted for him didn't require any defense of him as a human or as a political figure, since they (they being the blue collar workers, etc.) voted for him based on an overarching lie. There were only comparative excuses being made.
"Trump did X heinous thing."
"Yeah, but random liberal did Y heinous thing."
"Eh, okay, but that doesn't mean that doing X is grand, that's not how things work."
Anyone who wants to grow as an individual needs to separate two things; blame and responsibility. If you think that ultimately someone else is to blame for mistakes you made, fine. But you also need to swallow responsibility for them if you want to learn from them; if you get stuck in the blame of others state, you don't get anywhere. I lost money related to the financial crisis, some savings I re-invested when my SSI matured, under advice from the bank, ended up losing a few thousand when the bubble burst. There were people at the time suing banks and financial institutes for bad advice, etc. But push come to shove, I invested at the time simply because I wanted to make some money, because I wanted a bigger slice of the pie. Now maybe the banks were to blame for pushing people to invest, but by refusing on principle to try and "go after them" I accepted that the responsibility, as far as I was concerned, lay ultimately with me, and that decision sowed the seeds of several invaluable lessons as regards how the world works and how rotten that pie I wanted more of is.
I understood why people voted for Trump, even though I could see he was obviously lying to them. Why was it, why does it remain, so difficult to understand why the BLM protestors took to the street? It's the same heady cocktail of real life struggle and top-down bullshit that stirred up the two groups. And the same in Dublin recently. Those BLM style riots didn't happen just because a black guy got killed. They happened because people are sick of their existences, need to fucking vent, and are waiting for an outlet to do it through. The gardai understood that, to a certain extent, and took a hands off approach. Trump understood that too, and used it to his benefit by inciting the most motivated of his sick-of-it-all followers, the ones who had already traipsed across the country to support him in his bullshit, by exploiting their state of mind and state of existence to the service of his mega-rich cunt vanity project. Fuck Trump. Fuck Biden. Fuck the lot of them. But most of all, Fuck Kev :abbath: :laugh:
This is eloquent and seems reasonable and balanced. Perhaps it is. But this Bolshevik will have us all up against the wall for 'sabotage' the first chance he gets.
Henry VIII was a pious, elegant, highly gifted young man, and Reinhard Heydrich played first chair violin, enjoyed poetry and cried upon hearing Mozart. Guy Burgess worked for the the British Secret Service, a Cambridge educated, brilliant linguist with a beautiful command of the English language. He also drank about 10 bottles of French (I don't believe in coincidences!!) wine a day frequently and passed secrets to the Soviets.
I don't think I need to spell this out for anyone.
Do not be seduced by the Greystones NKVD!
It's all so utterly seductive until you find you're living in a shack growing your own vegetables and wondering why you listened when your doctor said you'd be happier called Mary.
https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1348287657680404481
Quote from: astfgyl on January 10, 2021, 08:54:02 PM
https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1348287657680404481
Gab pouring fuel on the fire. Tut tut. I will be closing my account!
Quote from: pete on January 10, 2021, 09:37:21 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 10, 2021, 08:54:02 PM
https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1348287657680404481
Gab pouring fuel on the fire. Tut tut. I will be closing my account!
Have you seen his channel on Gab TV?
When he says it's for free speech I think it's going to turn out that certain types of speech will be freer than others...
So Parler.com is down anyway, will be interesting to see how long for, he seemed very confident on getting it up relatively quickly. A massive task you feel.
This is a good one, Ted Cruz not happy with Big Tech: https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1347919674101657602
The same Ted Cruz who worked for Google to help with an anti-trust lawsuit against them: https://news.yahoo.com/when-google-hired-ted-cruz--was-it-lawyering-or-lobbying-224937497.html
"Facing the threat of an antitrust lawsuit from the state attorney general, Google hired Cruz to represent its interests before the agency where Cruz himself had worked just over two years earlier and where his mentor, Abbott, still called the shots."
I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Legend..!!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 11, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Dunno, but I did see a video of a "real man" sobbing and getting moist in the eyes at an airport when he found out he'd been put on a no-fly list, pending investigation, having been identified inside the Capitol Building during the break-in :'( ;)
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 11, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Legend..!!
Did you see his interview. He's a fucking fruit loop.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 11, 2021, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 11, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Dunno, but I did see a video of a "real man" sobbing and getting moist in the eyes at an airport when he found out he'd been put on a no-fly list, pending investigation, having been identified inside the Capitol Building during the break-in :'( ;)
Him screaming :"This is what they do to us" Gobshyte.
Just reading about the 1983 bombing of the Capitol building by the Resistance Conspiracy, another name for the May 19th Communist Organisation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_Senate_bombing
One of the perpetrators, Susan Rosenberg, was sentenced to 58 years in prison, but had her sentence commuted after 16 years by Bill Clinton, on his last day in office.
She now sits on the board of directors for Thousand Currents, an organisation that looks after fundraising and administrative work for Black Lives Matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg
I was under the impression that recent events were the first time something like that had happened in the Capitol building.
Could be a fun rabbit hole of connections to go down, but I've only scratched the surface.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 11, 2021, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 11, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Legend..!!
Did you see his interview. He's a fucking fruit loop.
He's one of them Q-Anon head the balls.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 11, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
Just reading about the 1983 bombing of the Capitol building by the Resistance Conspiracy, another name for the May 19th Communist Organisation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_Senate_bombing
One of the perpetrators, Susan Rosenberg, was sentenced to 58 years in prison, but had her sentence commuted after 16 years by Bill Clinton, on his last day in office.
She now sits on the board of directors for Thousand Currents, an organisation that looks after fundraising and administrative work for Black Lives Matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg
I was under the impression that recent events were the first time something like that had happened in the Capitol building.
Could be a fun rabbit hole of connections to go down, but I've only scratched the surface.
Those feckin Jews. Always up to no(se) good!
Quote from: Nazgûl on January 11, 2021, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 11, 2021, 01:28:52 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 11, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Legend..!!
Did you see his interview. He's a fucking fruit loop.
He's one of them Q-Anon head the balls.
He's a legend!
Been getting a bit of a laugh out of reading gab posts today. They really have them all rounded up over there.
See a lot of patriots getting excited about some executive order citing foreign interference in the election. The only thing is, it seems to mention some Ukrainians who were slanderous about Biden so they might be jumping the gun a bit there. Still funny watching them cling to anything at all
Looks like Parler won't be coming up as soon as they thought either.
Some web archivists started archiving all the data they could hit over public APIs, and discovered that Parler were using sequential IDs so they were easily able to loop through directories and gather up everything, even "deleted" content and seemingly Parler were not removing metadata from images uploaded either so some will include coordinates.
Okta (identity management) have said they have stopped Parler's ... Free Trial account they were using :)
I think Parler might be chancers.
They seemed pretty sure they would be back within the week but the free trial account makes it look less likely indeed. Seems gab is the place now but surely there will be a way to crush that soon too and they will all have to go back on the CB radios.
I see Twitter haven't gotten round to purging the Antifa supporting accounts yet either. That should really get the patriots going!
Why am I so fascinated by all of this?
Fuck all doing on American Gladiators, I suppose..
Quote from: astfgyl on January 11, 2021, 09:16:04 PM
Fuck all doing on American Gladiators, I suppose..
This is a bit funny if true https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/kamala-tells-tall-tale-fell-stroller-civil-rights-march-told-mom-wanted-fweedom-story-lifted-1965-playboy-interview/
Quote from: astfgyl on January 11, 2021, 09:15:21 PM
They seemed pretty sure they would be back within the week but the free trial account makes it look less likely indeed. Seems gab is the place now but surely there will be a way to crush that soon too and they will all have to go back on the CB radios.
I see Twitter haven't gotten round to purging the Antifa supporting accounts yet either. That should really get the patriots going!
Why am I so fascinated by all of this?
Ha yeah me too.
Well Gab went through this before after the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh. I doubt they are on a great hosting service at the moment and seem to be struggling with the load.
I've noticed the site being unresponsive anyway.
Trump administration are after sticking Cuba back on the "sponsor of terrorism" blacklist. Anything to take a bit of the heat off yourselves cabrones!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 11, 2021, 09:43:30 PM
Trump administration are after sticking Cuba back on the "sponsor of terrorism" blacklist. Anything to take a bit of the heat off yourselves cabrones!
Why?
Despite viewing communism on the same intellectual level as chewing your toenails, the auld Cuban boys have been getting it all ways from the yanks for decades, it's a bit strong to be throwing those labels at them these days, the twilight of the unmotivated, stagnant, ushanka wearing Gods.
If you want my honest opinion, it's just a final petulant 'Fuck you!' to Obama from Trump Ltd.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 11, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Legend..!!
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2021/01/11/jake-angeli-arizona-seen-us-capitol-raid-fur-hat-horns-federal-court-hearing/6625619002/
QuoteHis mother, Martha Chansley, told reporters outside the courthouse that her son needs an organic diet. "He gets very sick if he doesn't eat organic food," she said. "He needs to eat."
A "real man" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
This is class
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ6yuuoBS8i/?igshid=1eiiwqnn8q71p
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 11, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 11, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
I wonder how many blue haired girls got a little moist when they seen a real man, horn guy, in Capitol Building last week.?
Legend..!!
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2021/01/11/jake-angeli-arizona-seen-us-capitol-raid-fur-hat-horns-federal-court-hearing/6625619002/
QuoteHis mother, Martha Chansley, told reporters outside the courthouse that her son needs an organic diet. "He gets very sick if he doesn't eat organic food," she said. "He needs to eat."
A "real man" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Shurrup SoyBoy.... :laugh:
:laugh:
Donnie bocht.
#InsurrectionAct
Here's a fuckin beaut from gab today
QuoteThere is always a countermove. Even during this impeachment. They cited his claims of election fraud as reason to incite violence. That opens the door to discovery , [they] will have to prove that the election was not fraudulent and the Trump team will FINALLY get a chance to show evidence in a court of law.
Christ. Blow it up, ref.
I think Biden is a pure stook but even so, it's long since done with no decent evidence of anything going on. Should be decent entertainment after the inauguration reading how trump is still ready to release the kraken in 4 years time and all that.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 12, 2021, 06:01:46 PM
Here's a fuckin beaut from gab today
QuoteThere is always a countermove. Even during this impeachment. They cited his claims of election fraud as reason to incite violence. That opens the door to discovery , [they] will have to prove that the election was not fraudulent and the Trump team will FINALLY get a chance to show evidence in a court of law.
Christ. Blow it up, ref.
I think Biden is a pure stook but even so, it's long since done with no decent evidence of anything going on. Should be decent entertainment after the inauguration reading how trump is still ready to release the kraken in 4 years time and all that.
Aye. They had 66 or so court cases to provide evidence and did so in none of them. How the fuck people are so gullible to believe his nonsense is beyond me.
It's called QAnon, dummy!
It's so obvious why, the paedos are suppressing it!
I know Chris and his mates in the black bloc love those 'No Paedo Bashing' banners, but they deserve a serious bashing for all of this!
Cling on to those precious memories of the 80's and 90's, coz this one is going to be way more shit than the last two.
As much as I can laugh at the patriots on gab I still would have preferred to see trump win it. The building back better freaks me out. It's creepy as fuck and my gut feeling is that we are going to see it play out in the worst way possible.
But it's over so all that is left is to laugh at the patriots clutching at straws while trump does his best to avoid prison
Quote from: astfgyl on January 12, 2021, 09:22:16 PM
As much as I can laugh at the patriots on gab I still would have preferred to see trump win it. The building back better freaks me out. It's creepy as fuck and my gut feeling is that we are going to see it play out in the worst way possible.
But it's over so all that is left is to laugh at the patriots clutching at straws while trump does his best to avoid prison
With all that's happened since he lost you'd have preferred him to win. I can't get my head around this. Sure see what's it's like in a year and we can them compare.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 12, 2021, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 12, 2021, 09:22:16 PM
As much as I can laugh at the patriots on gab I still would have preferred to see trump win it. The building back better freaks me out. It's creepy as fuck and my gut feeling is that we are going to see it play out in the worst way possible.
But it's over so all that is left is to laugh at the patriots clutching at straws while trump does his best to avoid prison
With all that's happened since he lost you'd have preferred him to win. I can't get my head around this. Sure see what's it's like in a year and we can them compare.
Give it the 4 years and see if it's better or worse. And regarding what happened since, that wouldn't happen if he were to win.
I don't dispute that he lost or anything silly like that.
I have an opinion on trump that I have had since I saw him on the apprentice and I always thought he was a ridiculous notion for president, right up there with kanye west or the lad off dragons den who wanted to be president of Ireland. My opinion of him hasn't changed.
And I still think Biden will be stink.
Looks like we may have a sequel now.
Uganda vs Big Tech.
I dunno if I should applaud or weep. Sign of the times.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138481/Snowflake-Shaman-gets-wish-Judge-grants-horn-headed-Capitol-rioter-special-organic-diet.html
"Snowflake Shaman" :laugh: :abbath: :abbath:
It's ridiculous.
All of it.
There are no winners.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 12, 2021, 11:58:22 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138481/Snowflake-Shaman-gets-wish-Judge-grants-horn-headed-Capitol-rioter-special-organic-diet.html
"Snowflake Shaman" :laugh: :abbath: :abbath:
Maybe men aren't men and women aren't women after all!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 12, 2021, 11:58:22 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138481/Snowflake-Shaman-gets-wish-Judge-grants-horn-headed-Capitol-rioter-special-organic-diet.html
"Snowflake Shaman" :laugh: :abbath: :abbath:
I freakin love this guy :laugh:
Write-up on the (publicly published) data scraping hackers managed before Parler was taken off-line:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vqew/the-hacker-who-archived-parler-explains-how-she-did-it-and-what-comes-next
Snitch 101
Yeah, you gotta feel really sorry for those people who publicly published video of themselves breaking federal law on a platform co-organized by individuals who were behind Cambridge Analytica.
The shekel symbol should have been a giveaway that it's nothing more than a honeypot.
Had to look that up:
(https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1593448277663.jpg)
So what you're saying is that it was the BLM LGBTQ communist jewish banking overlords after all!
So, was Rebekah Mercer in on this being a honeypot, or was she taken in by it too? I have to admit, I'm not fully clued in on what figures like her are in this vision of things. Double agents? Apparently her dad was the single biggest donor in the 2016 presidential race! All money that went Republican, but maybe that was part of a long con...?
Who knows what the intricacies are, it's quite the clusterfuck over there. I just thought it would have stood out to more people that putting incriminating evidence on a site whose logo is associated with a foreign nation, not known for their empathetic approach to people they don't like, isn't very wise.
https://summit.news/2021/01/13/conservative-commentator-says-aig-canceled-his-insurance-over-his-social-media-posts/
This site looks a small bit partisan, but if the story is true it's another level again. Dunno if it holds up to scrutiny though as he might have been given free insurance from them as sponsorship or something, in which case AIG would have every right to distance themselves if they want. I wonder what is the legal status of something like that, can insurers refuse to insure someone they don't like even if said person is willing to pay the premium?
QuotePublished 1 min ago
on 13 January, 2021
Paul Joseph Watson
Yes, maybe just a small bit partisan.
This kind of stuff is a total waste of time: yer man, whoever the fuck he is, hasn't provided a single piece of evidence for the circumstances under which his policy was cancelled, if it even was.
Consider yourselves lucky there's no one on the forum posting the liberal equivalents of these "stories"!
Paul Joseph Watson is an awful dose.
I've never heard of him. Presume he is on a shit buzz from the responses. Thought the story seemed interesting was all. I was more interested in the question of whether that situation could be true
This day next week is the inauguration. I'll be getting the popcorn ready. Let's watch the world burn.
Well hopefully not. Things could really do with some calming down. Like forget about the impeachment and the rigged election shit and move on both sides.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 13, 2021, 04:31:53 PM
I've never heard of him. Presume he is on a shit buzz from the responses.
Yeah he just kind of grates on me the way he carries on. Even if you agreed with him, I don't know how anyone could sit through one if his videos.
Could be an interesting take on the social media issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOiCACmjKBM&ab_channel=LukeSmith
I'm not all that familiar with the platforms mentioned here, but this approach could be interesting.
I agree with most of PJW's opinions but he is one annoying bastard.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 13, 2021, 04:52:46 PM
Well hopefully not. Things could really do with some calming down. Like forget about the impeachment and the rigged election shit and move on both sides.
Agreed they should just move on. But if it does kick off it'll be the same as the Iraq war for me. Don't agree with it, but will watch the carnage.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 13, 2021, 05:12:21 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 13, 2021, 04:31:53 PM
I've never heard of him. Presume he is on a shit buzz from the responses.
Yeah he just kind of grates on me the way he carries on. Even if you agreed with him, I don't know how anyone could sit through one if his videos.
Could be an interesting take on the social media issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOiCACmjKBM&ab_channel=LukeSmith
I'm not all that familiar with the platforms mentioned here, but this approach could be interesting.
Think its just the demand is not really there as say Twitter works for majority of people just fine.
Gab which is where the Parler folk are heading to moved to a fork of Mastodon at one stage and were an accessible node in the "Fediverse" but eventually other instances blocked them anyway as they did not agree with what was being hosted on Gab. So even within this small group of people they still didn't want association with them.
And that guy is linking affiliate links to Epik which is apparently where gab are hosted and Parler are planning to go.
Owned by a Monster :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Monster
Ah right, cheers. I wasn't sure how they worked together.
Seems there's a bit of a Telegram purge going on now too.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 13, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 13, 2021, 04:52:46 PM
Well hopefully not. Things could really do with some calming down. Like forget about the impeachment and the rigged election shit and move on both sides.
Agreed they should just move on. But if it does kick off it'll be the same as the Iraq war for me. Don't agree with it, but will watch the carnage.
Now you've mentioned the Iraq war and I just came across this. Mr WMD himself
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1382054/tony-blair-news-labour-party-covid-vaccine-matt-hancock-boris-johnson-update/
Off topic but whenever I think of the Iraq war I think of this lad
And he's impeached again. Winning. Bigly.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 13, 2021, 09:44:47 PM
And he's impeached again. Winning. Bigly.
Pretty big vote from the Repubs, as opposed to last time. Ten of them as opposed to none, who were afraid of their jobs under a despot.
Despot isn't really the correct word. He doesn't have absolute power.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 13, 2021, 10:02:21 PM
Despot isn’t really the correct word. He doesn’t have absolute power.
Try telling Big Donnie that, if you can keep him from yelling out for Jared Kushner to protect him from the Antifas.
What actually happens in an impeachment? What is the end result?
Quote from: Nail_Bombed on January 13, 2021, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 13, 2021, 09:44:47 PM
And he's impeached again. Winning. Bigly.
Pretty big vote from the Repubs, as opposed to last time. Ten of them as opposed to none, who were afraid of their jobs under a despot.
7 republicans abstained as well. Then there was the democratic representative who said today many republican colleagues are afraid to vote for impeachment as they're afraid for their lives. Link https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/democrat-jason-crow-calls-republicans-174000541.html
McConnell won't recall the Senate so the trial will be after the inauguration. If Trumps tax returns come out in the meantime, and also if there is violence on inauguration day he could actually lose the trial.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 13, 2021, 10:06:20 PM
What actually happens in an impeachment? What is the end result?
So there's a trial. Needs 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict. If he's convicted he loses all presidential perks. His pension, secret service, presidential library and so forth and can't run for president again.
Highly doubtful.
Hard to see the endgame the dems have in mind, other than tarnishing his legacy further and deter further non-compliance. Might just be spite or to stop him running again PLEASE RUN AGAIN
I doubt he'd be too bothered about a pension, sure he waived his salary.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 13, 2021, 10:12:00 PM
Highly doubtful.
Hard to see the endgame the dems have in mind, other than tarnishing his legacy further and deter further non-compliance. Might just be spite or to stop him running again PLEASE RUN AGAIN
Currently I can't see him losing the trial. But it all depends what comes out about him once he leaves office. If enough dirt gets unleashed then the republicans might ditch him like a hot potato.
Tbh I couldn't care less about the impeachment. He's gone. What i want to see is him being forced to give a DNA sample for the rape case that he's avoided giving it for so far because he's the president. Fair enough if he's innocent but if he is a rapist he should burn.
If the opposing party have the majority in the house and know they will get it passed, why don't they do it more often over the years? Or is this an odd set up where the opposition of the pres have the majority in the house?
Quote from: pete on January 13, 2021, 10:26:54 PM
If the opposing party have the majority in the house and know they will get it passed, why don't they do it more often over the years? Or is this an odd set up where the opposition of the pres have the majority in the house?
House passes the articles of impeachment. The Senate convicts and you need a 2/3's majority to convict so unless its a heinous crime or theres an overwhelming majority in the senate its pointless. The democrats shouldnt have done the first impeachment cause they know it wouldnt pass, but because they did it makes for a good optic of the twice impeached president.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 13, 2021, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: pete on January 13, 2021, 10:26:54 PM
If the opposing party have the majority in the house and know they will get it passed, why don't they do it more often over the years? Or is this an odd set up where the opposition of the pres have the majority in the house?
House passes the articles of impeachment. The Senate convicts and you need a 2/3's majority to convict so unless its a heinous crime or theres an overwhelming majority in the senate its pointless. The democrats shouldnt have done the first impeachment cause they know it wouldnt pass, but because they did it makes for a good optic of the twice impeached president.
Yes but I mean he is now twice impeached. He is on a very short list of impeached American presidents. Why is it so short? It is always kind of thrown at him as a bad thing, but I dont understand why as the impeachment bit seems guaranteed to be passed if the house is a majority opposition of the president.
Quote from: pete on January 13, 2021, 10:33:50 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 13, 2021, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: pete on January 13, 2021, 10:26:54 PM
If the opposing party have the majority in the house and know they will get it passed, why don't they do it more often over the years? Or is this an odd set up where the opposition of the pres have the majority in the house?
House passes the articles of impeachment. The Senate convicts and you need a 2/3's majority to convict so unless its a heinous crime or theres an overwhelming majority in the senate its pointless. The democrats shouldnt have done the first impeachment cause they know it wouldnt pass, but because they did it makes for a good optic of the twice impeached president.
Yes but I mean he is now twice impeached. He is on a very short list of impeached American presidents. Why is it so short? It is always kind of thrown at him as a bad thing, but I dont understand why as the impeachment bit seems guaranteed to be passed if the house is a majority opposition of the president.
I'd hazard a guess at if you impeach a President with no hope of it passing it'll affect your party in the next election. But that's just a guess.
My feeling is that it won't pass. Surely a move like that would galvanise the opposition more than it would teach anyone a lesson. In the interest of some semblance of unity going forward it would be a bad idea to run with it and I'd be surprised if the Biden supporters would really want him to have to start off by dealing with that on top of the normal run of things. Trump could do with defusing it now as well but I suppose he can't now or it's admitting he was talking shite about the rigged election and only strengthening the case for the impeachment, so I guess it's down to the senate to put a halt to things.
The best part is 10 minutes in when he is really letting it off. Can definitely see BSC giving it socks watching this.
https://subsplash.com/houseofdestiny/media/mi/+6pc6xr3
Love how he uses the tunes to hammer home the message. No wonder they were storming the Capitol.
Parler even getting grief from fellow privacy and Web decentralisation advocates.
Pirate Bay Founder Thinks Parler's Inability to Stay Online Is 'Embarrassing'
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3an7pn/pirate-bay-founder-thinks-parlers-inability-to-stay-online-is-embarrassing
Quote from: astfgyl on January 14, 2021, 12:10:30 AM
The best part is 10 minutes in when he is really letting it off. Can definitely see BSC giving it socks watching this.
https://subsplash.com/houseofdestiny/media/mi/+6pc6xr3
Love how he uses the tunes to hammer home the message. No wonder they were storming the Capitol.
It's Kev who'd go mad for this: a white South African praising Trump in front of a second-rate music act! The three things his wee wavin love best all brought together at last! :abbath: :abbath:
Yooo are moah of ay KILL DE BOA man DE BOA is an unlawful ENVADAH of blick homeland, mon p'tit, ne c'est pas?✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
God be with the days of Earl Grey
Regular Tucker guest Ariel Pink:
https://youtu.be/6ya8-k0z26Y
Ariel... star of David pendant... think about it... :) :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
Trump now refusing to pay Guiliani legal fees, hilarious shit
https://globalnews.ca/news/7576017/donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-refusal/
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 15, 2021, 09:11:20 AM
Trump now refusing to pay Guiliani legal fees, hilarious shit
https://globalnews.ca/news/7576017/donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-refusal/
There is literally no one he won't throw under the bus.
Haha that's brilliant.
Check out the story about Susan Rosenberg, current BLM activist, who was pardoned by Bill Clinton after a bomb she planted exploded in the Capitol:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/07/bomb-explodes-in-us-capitol-nov-7-1983-244578
There's more info than that on her wiki page, which someone posted a few pages back:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg
Yeah I don't fully understand it. She got 58 years for weapons and explosives possession which she maintains were for no specific use :) and was never charged with any of the bombings?
The Snopes article about it has an entertaining conclusion:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/
QuoteIn the absence of a single, universally-agreed definition of "terrorism," it is a matter of subjective determination as to whether the actions for which Rosenberg was convicted and imprisoned — possession of weapons and hundreds of pounds of explosives — should be described as acts of "domestic terrorism."
When the connection was pointed out, it seems Thousand Currents removed the Board of Directors section on their website, but it's archived here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200616222408/https:/thousandcurrents.org/board-of-directors/
Quote from: Bigmac on January 15, 2021, 03:00:57 PM
The Snopes article about it has an entertaining conclusion:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/
QuoteIn the absence of a single, universally-agreed definition of "terrorism," it is a matter of subjective determination as to whether the actions for which Rosenberg was convicted and imprisoned — possession of weapons and hundreds of pounds of explosives — should be described as acts of "domestic terrorism."
When the connection was pointed out, it seems Thousand Currents removed the Board of Directors section on their website, but it's archived here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200616222408/https:/thousandcurrents.org/board-of-directors/
Ah the good old fact checkers, they always take the impartial view!
Nice to see they can put the work in, in between paying for hookers on company expenses.
Rating: Mixture
:laugh:
Well, she was clearly a terrorist, but she wasn't charged with or convicted of the bombing itself. At least they called ahead to warn so that the building was empty and no one died, reminded me of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwkEEqXT3uQ
:laugh: :abbath: :abbath:
Jesus that Snopes definition is a disgrace.
The Philip Roth novel American Pastoral seems to be based loosely around that event. A brilliant read and interesting that it, like the majority, if not all of his work, talks about the 'Jewish experience' in America. Rosenberg, daughter of a dentist and Theatre producer seems to have grown up with great privilege and then she turns out like that. American Pastoral is fiction but explores a similar character/topoc; the impact on the family, but also what might have been going on between the generations etc to spark such a reaction. I don't want to give the book away but really worth picking up.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 15, 2021, 03:21:12 PM
Well, she was clearly a terrorist, but she wasn't charged with or convicted of the bombing itself. At least they called ahead to warn so that the building was empty and no one died, reminded me of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwkEEqXT3uQ
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Great point he makes at the end. The IRA could articulate what they wanted or at the very least it's something you could sit around the table.and work towards/find common ground on. A united Ireland. Simple.
Al Qaeda want the destruction of Western, Christian civilization. BLM/Antifa want the dstruction of the patriarchy, white privilege, the policeforce etc etc etc etc etc. Proud Boys/Pro Trump 'rallyists'..jesus I'm not even sure what they want but it's probably the opposite of BLM etc. Neither side seems coherent. Hard to sit down and have a conversation when you're not even sure what the hell is being discussed in the first place.
The heads of Baader-Meinhof were fairly upper middle class too, and many other examples, but I don't really see what you mean by "then she turns out like that" though. It's not like the US government weren't up to shit in the 70s and 80s (not implying it's only a problem of the past either) that didn't merit violent protest...and all of it essentially true as well! A lot of these groups sprung up around protest at the Vietnam War, for example.
Bunch of rich kids gone wrong. You could probably throw the black metal lads into that mix too. Daddy didn't hug me :laugh: :abbath:
You could throw any number of various groups into that mix! Sure the only reason we're not all living in colonial monarchies is because of individual driving forces who were, all things considered, generally speaking doing grand but were indignant at how others were faring under the current regime...or in some cases, French Revolution for example, it was rich people who were pissed off at the glass ceiling being imposed upon them. In any case, if it weren't for "rich kids gone wrong", we might still be dealing with "rich kids gone wrong from in-breeding" :laugh:
Interesting point you bring up i.e. the 'privelege' one must often possess to take part in this type of activity in the first place. It reminds me of the University here in Madrid one day. I was in the main office while a feminist 'protest' took place. Lots of little middle class girls who lived at home with their parents ranting about the system and spreading fake blood and tampons all over the main entrance to the hall. Of course when things died down later and I was walking out of the building, it was the two little 60+ cleaning ladies who were left to clean it all up. Some people have it so good they don't even realise how ridiculous their outrage is/seems.
I'm actually not arguing here, more making an observation. If you look back at the Irish struggle for independence, there were plenty of players in there from the landed and upper classes involved. So, what is a legitimate cause that you can get behind is the question here? Why are the actions that are carried out in the name of BLM or Antifa different to what went on in Capitol Hill?
There was nothing 'physically' different to what they were doing. They carried sticks, smashed shit up, shouted, created havoc. The only differences are symbolic and related to how we interpret the actions.
That brings us to the crux of the matter: Who decides interpretation, or where you get your interpreted facts? We are truly living in the information age now. The only problem is we almost have so much information we have no idea what to do with it. It is probably a very good reason why things have become so polarised. How much easier is it to choose a side and throw in with them and fuck the other lot. It's almost cowardly in its simplicity. An easy black and white view of the world where you don't have to explore nuance or try to be in any way objective or open to dialogue. I think in more level headed times we could have almost ignored both these 'groups' and got on with life, but shouting and thowing tantrums gets a whole lot of attention paid to it nowadays, and the rest of us have to sit idly by and suck it up. A big load of me mickey the lot of it.
To answer your general question: motive. And motive goes beyond symbolic, even though symbolic plays its part too. I still don't really know, for those who say the motive wasn't merely Trump's election stealing lie, what the motive is supposed to have been.
I think it goes a bit deeper than that to be fair. That was surely the final straw but they would have been well primed before it came to that. Could be a lot to do with the current situation with covid and the threat to the way of life that they know and love but even that is too simple an explanation. I think that the same applies to the blm riots. For one reason or another, people are angry and waiting for a target to take it out on and will take to the latest cause to feel less powerless.
On each side the feeling seems to be that they are fighting for the cause of good and a better future. Of course the actions of all sides are having the opposite effect and galvanising the other.
And a lot of it is curated by social media, radicalising people in every direction.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1349620039423414272
:laugh:
Further to my previous post, regarding social media, I see reports of John Sullivan being a member of BLM, Antifa, working with CNN, being a secret MAGA patriot, trying to take down BLM from the inside, being a government/secret service shill and even a poor confused young lad. It's like pick a narrative and run. There are some posts from last november from BLM groups warning of him being an agitator ready to besmirch their clean reputation and other stuff saying he was trying to besmirch the MAGA good name.
The whole story whatever it is, is certainly representative of the current mess with the level of conflicting reports which already abound. Even if the real one does come to light, how many people will have made their decision on which to believe before that?
Not I!
Who is John Sullivan?
Some bloke who was at the Capitol and also active in BLM. Was interviewed on CNN that evening and now video (allegedly) emerges of him celebrating the break-in saying "we did it" to the woman he was with. Cue many wildly varying narratives as to his motives. He is currently under arrest somewhere.
So, a hooligan, basically.
Seemingly so. I think there will be more coming out in the wash but I think you are likely on the money.
Watched an interview with a cop that was at the scene earlier. Groups of people grabbing at his ammo clips, badge, etc. At one point he said there were people shouting "kill him with his own gun." Scummy pricks. Anybody here making excuses for them needs to get fucking real. "People have had enough of BLM protests and this is what you get" mentality. Get real.
Edit: disclaimer that I don't condone the BLM rioting either, but everything on this forum needs to be spelled out most of the time.
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1350170423602896896?s=19
Legal threat leads to complete retraction of accusations levelled against Dominion, stating now they were "completely false"
Be careful Nazgul; that's liberal favourable hearsay there. Only conservative favourable hearsay is allowed on here ;)
Yeah I just spend enough time reading and not responding and every once in a while flip the table over :laugh: But look, I have absolutely no reason to believe that cop was lying about that particular situation he found himself in, so fuck them all. :abbath:
Quote from: Nazgûl on January 15, 2021, 09:44:57 PM
Watched an interview with a cop that was at the scene earlier. Groups of people grabbing at his ammo clips, badge, etc. At one point he said there were people shouting "kill him with his own gun." Scummy pricks. Anybody here making excuses for them needs to get fucking real. "People have had enough of BLM protests and this is what you get" mentality. Get real.
Edit: disclaimer that I don't condone the BLM rioting either, but everything on this forum needs to be spelled out most of the time.
Bang on. That cop said he had to shout I have kids and then some people copped on and probably saved his life. As the cop said for those people he thought thank you, but fuck you for being here. Those rioters were indeed fucking scum.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 15, 2021, 10:10:06 PM
Quote from: Nazgûl on January 15, 2021, 09:44:57 PM
Watched an interview with a cop that was at the scene earlier. Groups of people grabbing at his ammo clips, badge, etc. At one point he said there were people shouting "kill him with his own gun." Scummy pricks. Anybody here making excuses for them needs to get fucking real. "People have had enough of BLM protests and this is what you get" mentality. Get real.
Edit: disclaimer that I don't condone the BLM rioting either, but everything on this forum needs to be spelled out most of the time.
Bang on. That cop said he had to shout I have kids and then some people copped on and probably saved his life. As the cop said for those people he thought thank you, but fuck you for being here. Those rioters were indeed fucking scum.
All rioters are scum from one perspective or another. Their main problem is that they all think they have good reason and the reasons never get properly addressed.
I see a lot of the "who has the better reason to be breaking the place up?" lately and I honestly think all of them and none of them. Whole thing is fucked. No winner.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 15, 2021, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 15, 2021, 10:10:06 PM
Quote from: Nazgûl on January 15, 2021, 09:44:57 PM
Watched an interview with a cop that was at the scene earlier. Groups of people grabbing at his ammo clips, badge, etc. At one point he said there were people shouting "kill him with his own gun." Scummy pricks. Anybody here making excuses for them needs to get fucking real. "People have had enough of BLM protests and this is what you get" mentality. Get real.
Edit: disclaimer that I don't condone the BLM rioting either, but everything on this forum needs to be spelled out most of the time.
Bang on. That cop said he had to shout I have kids and then some people copped on and probably saved his life. As the cop said for those people he thought thank you, but fuck you for being here. Those rioters were indeed fucking scum.
All rioters are scum from one perspective or another. Their main problem is that they all think they have good reason and the reasons never get properly addressed.
I see a lot of the "who has the better reason to be breaking the place up?" lately and I honestly think all of them and none of them. Whole thing is fucked. No winner.
I don't disagree with any of that. I think the common denominator is a lot of people on all sides are fucking clems.
I reckon most of them have the same basic feeling going on but it just comes out for different causes. I probably identify with most of what every protester is breaking things over in one way or another and yet I have a normal life to be trying to keep up with so not really in a position to commit myself to anything other than getting up in the morning and keeping the dinner on the table and clothes on the kids' back. Probably in the vast majority but where is the headline in that?
Experiencing the world's events vicariously as I do it's easy to get caught up in thinking that everyone is gone demented but for the most part shit just goes on and the major difference these days is that some bollix going on in some far away parts of the world suddenly feels less far away than it used to.
Weird how I have so many thoughts about the US situation and it's all so pointless to think about from my perspective where I can do fuck all about anything.
It's enough to make me feel like smashing things
Fuck that. First world temper tantrums. I spent time in the States working. You could sneeze and get a job. They have the best of everything: restaurants, nightlife, the women are unbelievable goers, the countryside is amazing, you'd get a mortgage no problem at all. There's a whole lot of places could do with you worrying about them instead.
Amazing that they have all that potential and yet seem intent on eating themselves from the inside out
Yes, it's the Guardian, but it's also about someone who took a private jet from Texas to participate in the Capitol protests. That might be one other significant difference between this instance and the BLM riots; I don't think even Jedward arrived by private jet!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons
Interesting to see what Trump does here; technically they do deserve a pardon, but only insofar as he would be taking the blame for them...and he's really not much of a Christ-like figure in that regard!
It could be argued that at least she had the courage of her convictions, however misguided. Not like the opportunistic thuggery of the BLM rioters. Which is worse, stupidity or scumbaggery?
I'd have to answer that stupidity mixed with privilege mixed with scumbaggery definitely trumps!
QuoteAt the beginning of the live video, RYAN is heard stating, "we are going to f---ing go in here. Life or death, it doesn't matter. Here we go"
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.226032/gov.uscourts.dcd.226032.1.1.pdf
She's one example, of course, but I think alongside Kurt Cocaine's "real man" crush with his organic food requirement, it's safe to say the place was full of very privileged folk, and there wasn't much sign of them doing it to stick up for anything apart from "muh freedoms!"
But sure, there were lots of thugs at BLM riots. It's been raised as an argument ad infinitum and no is denying it.
Aye, no arguments here on either point.
I can't understand this "Muh freedoms" thing at all. You'd think that there was little to celebrate or ridicule in the erosion of personal freedom. It's another facet to that great left/right switcharoo thing as I see it. The great compliant left, all great citizens except when it suits them. And no the right are no better, they have been switched up without knowing it either. Is calling for defunding the police not a prime example of "Muh Freedoms"?
But I don't really know what the motive was on the 6th and I don't dispute there were many many idiots at the Capitol. The question is whether they were useful idiots or not.
What do extremely wealthy people in the US have to worry about with regards to personal freedoms? That, specifically, is the kind of person I was talking about just there.
Erosion of free speech might be one, undeniable in the digital sense of the expression.
It could be argued that democratic positions on immigration, as in, illegal immigration may drive down salaries, this impeding the prosperity of working class Americans, your darlings.
Whether or not it'll happen to any great degree isn't written, but it's not an unreasonable concern to have, and one shouldn't be labelled racist or what have you for holding it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 16, 2021, 08:33:23 PM
It could be argued that democratic positions on immigration, as in, illegal immigration may drive down salaries, this impeding the prosperity of working class Americans, your darlings.
One of my assignments in college was on the effect of immigration on wages, specifically for low paid workers. Immigration drives down wages only in the short term, say 1 to 3 years, mainly about a year. After that though it drives wages higher and the standard of living improves for all. It's a cheap shot that's used often but there's no real basis for it. When I have time I can dig out the literature if u like but it is true.
If that's the case I'd be happy to read it, although if there is a constant stream of illegal immigration, wouldn't that salary reduction process be perennial as a result?
I don't think it's fair to call it a cheap shot, not everyone has the time or means a lot of us seem to have here to be reading links on a metal forum to corroborate or weigh up arguments either way!
I'm referring to illegal immigration only, I'm 100% in favour of legal immigration without reservation believe it or not, so I'm interested in the data around the former variety.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 16, 2021, 07:57:25 PM
What do extremely wealthy people in the US have to worry about with regards to personal freedoms? That, specifically, is the kind of person I was talking about just there.
Fair enough, I actually saw that on reflection
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 16, 2021, 09:13:02 PM
If that's the case I'd be happy to read it, although if there is a constant stream of illegal immigration, wouldn't that salary reduction process be perennial as a result?
I don't think it's fair to call it a cheap shot, not everyone has the time or means a lot of us seem to have here to be reading links on a metal forum to corroborate or weigh up arguments either way!
To clarify I wasn't accusing you of using it as a cheap shot. I meant politicians using it as a cheap shot.
Even with constant illegal immigration (If that even occurs) with an influx of people there's more consumption, leading to higher economic growth, leading to more jobs etc etc. Ill dig out the literature in the next day or two, on zoom beers atm so ain't happening now.
I'll leave you off til Monday, I haven't seem a single zoom drinking call end well even though I haven't participated in any, you'll need tomorrow to yourself I'd say!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 16, 2021, 09:36:10 PM
I'll leave you off til Monday, I haven't seem a single zoom drinking call end well even though I haven't participated in any, you'll need tomorrow to yourself I'd say!
They are dangerous beasts alright :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
Looking forward to see how the QAnon follower crowd reconcile Biden's inauguration with all the "Release the Kraken!" and "Nothing can stop what is coming" lark. Reading around, many are still convinced Trump is going to pull this out of the bag at the 11th hour. Not as many as before mind, but still enough to make it funny.
Joe Exotic has formally requested a pardon from Trump. What a wonderfully strange country.
Quote from: Emphyrio on January 19, 2021, 08:14:28 PM
Joe Exotic has formally requested a pardon from Trump. What a wonderfully strange country.
Would love if Trump upgraded his sentence to death.
Looks like Assange is not going to get his pardon so. I was hoping there was something in that rumour but alas like all the other ones there was fuck all substance to it
Yup, no pardon for Assange, but a fair amount of restocking the swamp with some of the others!
Speaking of which, he's also just revoked the executive order he signed at the beginning of his presidency which required appointees to sign a pledge that they wouldn't become lobbyists within 5 years of leaving the administration. Aka, pretty much the only real thing he did to "drain the swamp" he has revoked before leaving office. The loyalty he shows to the blue collar voters who voted him in really never ceases to amaze.
Edit: Forgot to post link -
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-ethics-commitments-executive-branch-appointees/
He's gone in the chopper now, off to what will be a sparsely attended sendoff... next is the chopping block of a second impeachment.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 20, 2021, 10:39:51 AM
Speaking of which, he's also just revoked the executive order he signed at the beginning of his presidency which required appointees to sign a pledge that they wouldn't become lobbyists within 5 years of leaving the administration. Aka, pretty much the only real thing he did to "drain the swamp" he has revoked before leaving office. The loyalty he shows to the blue collar voters who voted him in really never ceases to amaze.
Edit: Forgot to post link -
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-ethics-commitments-executive-branch-appointees/
I can't believe how anyone could believe his "drain the swamp" shtick. And he pardoned Bannon. That was to he expected anyway. Deceiving supporters our of money for a wall only to spend it on his own expenses. The don't give the first flying fuck about their supporters. Anyway adios El Trumpo. His biggest success was keeping the roaring economy he inherited from Obama going. And fuck all else.
Roaring economy..gimme a fukin break. God bless the big man he certainly shook things up.
He gave this (and plenty other) fookin Off Topic section(s) a badly needed injection. That's for sure!
Down to Mar-a-lago as we speak to inject Melania with the good stuff. The lad must be loving life :laugh:
Quote from: Pedrito on January 20, 2021, 01:57:22 PM
Roaring economy..gimme a fukin break. God bless the big man he certainly shook things up.
He inherited an economy from Obama that was adding millions of jobs. Obama got it going after he inherited a fucked economy from the recession. Trump kept it going until Covid. How is any of that wrong?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 20, 2021, 09:13:43 AM
Yup, no pardon for Assange, but a fair amount of restocking the swamp with some of the others!
Yeah the list was pretty disappointing. No Assange, no Snowden but plenty of shit and another opportunity to actually do something to shake things up let go. Have to say he talked a good game but it all came to fuck all even right at the end.
Ah well I enjoyed him while he lasted and I knew it was nearly all bluster but was hoping for those pardons and the reaction to them
And thankfully, no pardon for Sheldon Silver.
And the rioters at the capital didn't get any? Don't they feel wick now
Trump does deserve some credit for strengthening the economy, but not as much as he gives himself. It wasn't like Hitler getting millions of lads on to public works, he partially achieved his vision, but it was unrealistic in it's entirety.
Let's see how Status Quo Joe does. He seems more focussed on giving himself the critical equivalent of a wank with baby oil for giving women and mentally ill homosexuals jobs than getting real work done from his blurbs so far.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 20, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
Trump does deserve some credit for strengthening the economy, but not as much as he gives himself. It wasn't like Hitler getting millions of lads on to public works, he partially achieved his vision, but it was unrealistic in it's entirety.
Let's see how Status Quo Joe does. He seems more focussed on giving himself the critical equivalent of a wank with baby oil for giving women and mentally ill homosexuals jobs than getting real work done from his blurbs so far.
Biden at least can implement policy now they have the Senate. They probably wouldn't have got the Senate only for Trump banging on about a stolen election. And as the vaccine rolls out the economy will improve so it's an easy win for him. It'll probably be a year before we can properly judge what type of effect he has.
Yeah, yeah.....
https://m.facebook.com/BenScallanOfficial/videos/1033222873831397/
:laugh: that's fekin class.
Yeah can't wait for Joe to start bringing in them transgender toilets and whatever other BS policy will appease his blue haired stazi footsoldiers. We're going to be back at the same shite in 4 years time no doubt. Expecting a big swing to Ivanka by the time that comes round.
I wonder what little duckhouse in Mayo is embarassing itself by renaming parts of the town after Biden..typical lackeys.
Jaysus we really are a pathetic race sometimes. I remember nearly coming around to Obama after he demolished those pintíns in Moneygall aswell.
Poor old Big Donnie ❤️.... :'(
https://bernie-sits.herokuapp.com/
This is fucking deadly. Any address lol
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 22, 2021, 12:27:01 PM
https://bernie-sits.herokuapp.com/
This is fucking deadly. Any address lol
Have you tried it lately?
We can't put Bernie anywhere now..
Quote from: astfgyl on January 22, 2021, 04:54:59 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 22, 2021, 12:27:01 PM
https://bernie-sits.herokuapp.com/
This is fucking deadly. Any address lol
Have you tried it lately?
We can't put Bernie anywhere now..
Boo. Goggle should make it free the cunts
Looks like it's Bernie vs big tech now so.
https://gab.com/CarlosDangerComics/posts/105595498515360046
This gave me a laugh, although I didn't think much of his other ones. I am expecting good things to come with the Biden memes once oul Joe gets settled in.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/rudy-giuliani-faces-1-3bn-lawsuit-from-us-voting-machine-firm-over-election-claims-1.4467606?mode=amp
Surely sweating out the hair dye now.
Sleepy Joe sure loves playing with his soldiers... Aw bless...
https://youtu.be/mS91kEbeEVc
Just how blinded to reality do you have to be to wonder why the military were called in en masse to police the Capitol, just a couple of weeks after 5 people died in an invasion of the Capitol building by violent protestors, a large proportion of whom had a military background?
Absolute mush for brains, and proud of it moreover!
Could the idea of BLM and ANTIFA not have protected him?
Brain farts aplenty in store...
https://youtu.be/BTdX6R76lcc
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 26, 2021, 11:07:31 AM
Just how blinded to reality do you have to be to wonder why the military were called in en masse to police the Capitol, just a couple of weeks after 5 people died in an invasion of the Capitol building by violent protestors, a large proportion of whom had a military background?
Absolute mush for brains, and proud of it moreover!
I can see why they were called in, but not why they were kept for so long. Nothing happened at the inauguration or on the day anywhere else.
I think even the patriots were a bit too clever to try anything else after the Capitol fiasco
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-office-of-the-former-president-b1792583.html%3famp
Bit of a little dig in the name there
Quote from: astfgyl on January 26, 2021, 03:37:53 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-office-of-the-former-president-b1792583.html%3famp
Bit of a little dig in the name there
Sure is. How long before he starts his own TV station I wonder.
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 26, 2021, 05:59:16 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 26, 2021, 03:37:53 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-office-of-the-former-president-b1792583.html%3famp
Bit of a little dig in the name there
Sure is. How long before he starts his own TV station I wonder.
And how long before it gets cancelled
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that. Thank fuck I don't live there, although I feel in a lot of ways that we won't be far behind.
Good read.
You'd have to laugh at talk of an insurrection in a country loaded to the fucking eyeballs with firepower, where you could literally shoot a bullet a minute for the rest of your life and nobody would blink twice, and not a shot fired in anger by the protestors. If they were going to do it they could have done it properly and there wouldn t even be a capitol hill anymore. All from a few trips to the local Walmart. But every twinky spa you talk to lapping it up, wanting to believe it, desperate for Eastenders levels of drama. A mob that got out of control and smashed some shit and nothing more.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 26, 2021, 07:15:49 PM
Good read.
You'd have to laugh at talk of an insurrection in a country loaded to the fucking eyeballs with firepower, where you could literally shoot a bullet a minute for the rest of your life and nobody would blink twice, and not a shot fired in anger by the protestors. If they were going to do it they could have done it properly and there wouldn t even be a capitol hill anymore. All from a few trips to the local Walmart. But every twinky spa you talk to lapping it up, wanting to believe it, desperate for Eastenders levels of drama. A mob that got out of control and smashed some shit and nothing more.
Whilst I agree it was a mob that got out of control, they did a tiny but more than smashing some shit, unless you count smashing a police office with a fire extinguisher who subsequently died just some shit.
As for the article, there's a lot I agree with in it. I just don't see how life is tough for a white person. Maybe it's because I don't live over there. I can only go on being a white person here.
You'd almost think a watered down whitey suits Johnny Jew, huh?
Wherever the Jew dwells, racism swells!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
"Good read for the un-brainwashed"
*posts link to unbelievably partizan race-realist pseudoscience site*
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
Oh I've seen it alright.... Great watch......
Quote from: boozegeune on January 26, 2021, 08:47:55 PM
"Good read for the un-brainwashed"
*posts link to unbelievably partizan race-realist pseudoscience site*
Oh that quip was meant for a dear cohort..... ::)
Regardless of the 'site'... it's still a great article and worthwhile read.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: boozegeune on January 26, 2021, 08:47:55 PM
"Good read for the un-brainwashed"
*posts link to unbelievably partizan race-realist pseudoscience site*
Oh that quip was meant for a dear cohort..... ::)
Regardless of the 'site'... it's still a great article and worthwhile read.
It's an article. Great is stretching it a bit. It's not fucking Pulitizer prize material.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 26, 2021, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: boozegeune on January 26, 2021, 08:47:55 PM
"Good read for the un-brainwashed"
*posts link to unbelievably partizan race-realist pseudoscience site*
Oh that quip was meant for a dear cohort..... ::)
Regardless of the 'site'... it's still a great article and worthwhile read.
It's an article. Great is stretching it a bit. It's not fucking Pulitizer prize material.
Oh yeah. The original George Soros.... :laugh:
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
Literal Stormfront neo-nazi shite, lovely
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 26, 2021, 09:52:51 PM
Literal Stormfront neo-nazi shite, lovely
Yeah, that's the exact reaction he pre-empts in the video.
Are the birth rate statistics wrong, or what's he at?
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 26, 2021, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
Literal Stormfront neo-nazi shite, lovely
Ah heer hai.... :laugh:
Just watched a bit of that video. Wtf do ye be watching lads. Fucking hell. Morto for ye.
Edit. Just watched most of it. Actually has a still of the fucking Ryan's in it. You known that couple who got abuse after appearing in the Lidl ad. Race baiting fucking bullshit. He actually is giving out about mixed marriages. Fuck the fuck off. If any of ye are watching that and nodding in agreement sort your fucking head out.
True. Not my proudest fap alright... :-[
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 26, 2021, 10:03:36 PM
Just watched a bit of that video. Wtf do ye be watching lads. Fucking hell. Morto for ye.
Edit. Just watched most of it. Actually has a still of the fucking Ryan's in it. You known that couple who got abuse after appearing in the Lidl ad. Race baiting fucking bullshit. He actually is giving out about mixed marriages. Fuck the fuck off. If any of ye are watching that and nodding in agreement sort your fucking head out.
Maxi-pad gasket explosion ahoy... :laugh:
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 26, 2021, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
Literal Stormfront neo-nazi shite, lovely
Über throwaway comment nowadays. Worn out and meaningless....
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 26, 2021, 09:52:51 PM
Literal Stormfront neo-nazi shite, lovely
Yeah, that's the exact reaction he pre-empts in the video.
Well, yes, since American Renaissance is a long-established and very well known neo-nazi outlet with close and undeniable ties to the Ku-Klux-Klan. That's some astute pre-empting alright! So no Kurt Cocaine, it's not a throwaway comment; it's literal fact.
It's fairly fortuitous that you should post it now though, since it provides a perfect piece of evidence towards the notion, put forward in that other odd video you posted the other day, that the notion of "whiteness" was a power-play constructed by a certain incidentally white elite in need of more pawns to fight their causes for them but wanting to do so without losing any of their own wealth and power.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 26, 2021, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
Literal Stormfront neo-nazi shite, lovely
Über throwaway comment nowadays. Worn out and meaningless....
He was bang on the money. You're the one who responds with meaningless comments, ooh maxi pad explosion incoming, snowflakes etc etc, blah de blah de blah.
It's literally, and I'm not using that word incorrectly, I mean it is LITERALLY just 14 Words dressed up in a vaguely respectable facade.
So so many points in it are classic tropes it's almost fucking parody like. Whatever about bare bones matter of fact discussion of demographics (interesting, not inherently racist) this most certainly is not it. I'd break it down piece by piece but I need sleep, maybe tomorrow.
A quick look around tells us 'Gregory Hood', the author of this article - well, opinion piece - is an alias (one of about 3 or 4) of a guy who has been balls deep in this eugenics shit and every right wing organisation from stand-up conservative white collar stuff to blatant edgelord 'alt-right' shit for years.
It's sad really, why is it people who are so obsessed with 'seeking truth'and 'entertaining different view points' (only the unscientific and otherwise dodgy ones, mind) while stroking their chins cant see straight up propaganda when they see it??
Quote from: boozegeune on January 26, 2021, 10:46:12 PM
A quick look around tells us 'Gregory Hood', the author of this article - well, opinion piece - is an alias (one of about 3 or 4) of a guy who has been balls deep in this eugenics shit and every right wing organisation from stand-up conservative white collar stuff to blatant edgelord 'alt-right' shit for years.
It's sad really, why is it people who are so obsessed with 'seeking truth'and 'entertaining different view points' (only the unscientific and otherwise dodgy ones, mind) while stroking their chins cant see straight up propaganda when they see it??
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/03/04/emails-reveal-identity-longtime-white-nationalist-propagandist-onetime-conservative-insider
Yup, the article KC posted - which I only clicked after watching the video, discovering it is also published via American Renaissance - is just the softball game, designed precisely to stoke dissatisfaction towards the hardball solutions which are these characters' endgame.
The resistance to the idea - whether it be the kind of horseshit in that video or the absolute lies spread about George Nkencho, closer to home - that there are movements out there constantly angling to sway the unwary...well, that resistance is playing straight into their hands. Y'all like to claim that they're a vanishingly small group of headcases, but boy do their tactics work a charm on ye!
Another article from same site about DeAnna.. Interesting, if true that Gregory is DeAnna!
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/03/03/how-kevin-deanna-orchestrated-alt-rights-approach-conservative-institutions
Morning lads & lassies....
How's all today? Sleep good?
I sure hope Sleepy Joe ain't doing the wages in the White House or the American tax payer is gonna be screwed... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/KY6Sca16tko
Why can't we all get along...?
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 26, 2021, 10:36:42 PM
Whatever about bare bones matter of fact discussion of demographics (interesting, not inherently racist) this most certainly is not it. I'd break it down piece by piece but I need sleep, maybe tomorrow.
Yeah sound, it's the demographics part that piqued my interest.
If the idea that whites are below replacement level births is correct, then it seems its simply a mathematic certitude that at some point in the future they would simply cease to be. So discussing the implications of this seems reasonable.
Also, from the point of preservation, I think it's a reasonable stance to take to want to promote diversity and a multitude of cultures by ensuring that any groups facing pressures such as below replacement level births, are given some form of help to relieve this.
I don't think he's correct about only whites suffering from below replacement level births though, as China seems to be at 1.6 due to their enforced one baby rule:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/17/chinas-birthrate-falls-to-lowest-level-despite-push-for-more-babies
It's probably hard to fathom given their current population, but if it ever dwindled to particularly low levels because of this, I would love to see them make a concerted effort to remedy it, and encourage more births. As, whatever you may think about them politically or culturally, I think it would be a tragedy to see them completely disappear. However, it seems if this thinking is extended to whites, it gets a less than favorable reaction.
If they have some dubious connections, as pointed out earlier, then they certainly do themselves no favours when trying to communicate these points. The demographics discussion seems reasonable, though the package it's being delivered in is certainly questionable.
And if the statistics he quotes are actually wrong, then he is indeed talking absolute shite.
People in poorer countries have a higher birth rate. Just like Ireland in the 50's and 60's had bigger families. Raise the standard of living in those countries and the birth rate will decline.
And the package it was delivered it isn't questionable. It's racist. Nothing wrong with talking about demographics but that video is fucking awful.
Edit: Didn't China do away with the one baby rule a few years ago, because of this issue. Or am I wrong?
Yeah I remember reading about r selection and K selection reproductive patterns in different species a while ago, and it think the pattern followed is dictated by environment. So getting the banks off the backs of poorer nations, and allowing them to progress, would certainly go a long way to changing that.
Yeah I think they've done away with it, but the after effects still seem to be lingering.
You'd think the Dalai Lama disappeared off the face of the earth after the 14th September 2018 if our darling honest and truthful MSM are anything to go by. Not a peep about him any more.
I wonder why...?
http://politicalcritique.org/world/2018/dalai-lama-to-refugees-europe-belongs-to-europeans/
Quote from: Bigmac on January 27, 2021, 07:27:29 AM
Yeah I remember reading about r selection and K selection reproductive patterns in different species a while ago, and it think the pattern followed is dictated by environment. So getting the banks off the backs of poorer nations, and allowing them to progress, would certainly go a long way to changing that.
Yeah I think they've done away with it, but the after effects still seem to be lingering.
Aye unless there's some kind of debt relief program for underdeveloped countries the cycle will continue. As for China it'll take 2 to 3 generations or maybe more for the birth rate to catch up to replacing the current population. And that 1 child rule was disgusting in it's implementation. But that's China for ya.
Yeah, those Commies. Always up to no good!
Let's all start our day by taking a moment to lament the disappearance of all the proto-humanoid species that died out on the way so that we could emerge. Raise a coffee to Lucy and all the lads, a fine bunch. We nabbed what was useful from their gene pool and created ourselves from it, a fitting analogy for western culture, if you use an appropriately sized historical and geographical lens. And don't forget that in 200 years, it's more likely we'll have rendered the entire planet uninhabitable than seen the eradication of "white people."
Olive skin and brown eyes for everyone. Yaaaaaayyyyy!
Antiquated providential perspectives for everyone! Yaayyyy!
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 27, 2021, 07:52:41 AM
Aye unless there's some kind of debt relief program for underdeveloped countries the cycle will continue. As for China it'll take 2 to 3 generations or maybe more for the birth rate to catch up to replacing the current population. And that 1 child rule was disgusting in it's implementation. But that's China for ya.
Yeah that maintaining of debt in perpetuity is abysmal. I get that relief and aid can go a long way to reducing difficult living conditions, but you'd love to see them tell the banks to fuck off one day.
Yeah it was definitely a disgusting rule, but regardless of what I'd think of that, I'd still wish them well in reversing the effects.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 27, 2021, 07:59:53 AM
Let's all start our day by taking a moment to lament the disappearance of all the proto-humanoid species that died out on the way so that we could emerge. Raise a coffee to Lucy and all the lads, a fine bunch. We nabbed what was useful from their gene pool and created ourselves from it, a fitting analogy for western culture, if you use an appropriately sized historical and geographical lens. And don't forget that in 200 years, it's more likely we'll have rendered the entire planet uninhabitable than seen the eradication of "white people."
Yeah there's certainly been species lost along the way, though I'm no evolutionary biologist so can't really comment all that much. Though it still seems that wishing to preserve current diversity, with our modern understanding of genetics, culture, and language etc, is something worth paying attention to, and not something proto-humanoids would have had the wherewithal to consider.
You do make a good point about the state of the world though, the combination of Capitalism's need for infinite growth, on a planet of finite resources, isn't something that is spoken about enough these days.
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
I must have a propa gander at that video again later.
Always good to listen to Tulsi Gabbard. Storming the capital fell right into the hands of the Biden administration. The surveillance state and quashing of opposition is their big move now. Incredible that a Democratic party would be pushing this stuff.
https://youtu.be/Ik1-gYEH-ys
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 27, 2021, 08:41:58 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
I must have a propa gander at that video again later.
Even the term 'white people' in that video sounds absolutely retarded tbh :laugh: It's almost as embarrassing to listen to as the 'black people were the kings of Africa' stuff Jay Z, Beyonce and the likes be pushing. What about pasty pink skinned Irish lads and ladies? Jesus, they'd love to be just white or brown or almond coloured instead of turning a deep shade of vermillion everytime the sun hits their fragile, freckled skin. And with the environmental crisis it's only a matter of time before they won't be able to move about during the daytime at all. As always, the Irish are sidelined. Light a candle for them when you pass a church today.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 27, 2021, 08:50:36 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 27, 2021, 08:41:58 AM
Quote from: Bigmac on January 26, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 26, 2021, 06:16:03 PM
A beautiful read for the un-brainwashed....
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
Big Donnie ❤️
Decent read that, I think their YouTube channel got nuked recently, but there's sill a few videos floating about on other channels, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvwvywDXpuw&ab_channel=AetiusPraetorian
I must have a propa gander at that video again later.
Even the term 'white people' in that video sounds absolutely retarded tbh :laugh: It's almost as embarrassing to listen to as the 'black people were the kings of Africa' stuff Jay Z, Beyonce and the likes be pushing. What about pasty pink skinned Irish lads and ladies? Jesus, they'd love to be just white or brown or almond coloured instead of turning a deep shade of vermillion everytime the sun hits their fragile, freckled skin. And with the environmental crisis it's only a matter of time before they won't be able to move about during the daytime at all. As always, the Irish are sidelined. Light a candle for them when you pass a church today.
Sssshhhhhhh.... :laugh:
The guy speaking in the video is the founder of American Renaissance, Jared Taylor, and he inhabits that fine line between smart and retarded that enables him to both see the interest in publishing "moderate" perspectives on his website and at the same time come out with the nonsense "reasoning" in that video.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 27, 2021, 06:53:16 AM
I sure hope Sleepy Joe ain't doing the wages in the White House or the American tax payer is gonna be screwed... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/KY6Sca16tko
Ah, he's close to making sense here. Increase by 50% to 600m and then 300m will be vaccinated. If he's referring to a double dose, all he did was forget to say million after 300. That's not bad for a man of his age.
Yeah, personally I'd always take a minor maths blunder over, say, "One day - it's like a miracle - it will disappear!"
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 27, 2021, 10:02:26 AM
The guy speaking in the video is the founder of American Renaissance, Jared Taylor, and he inhabits that fine line between smart and retarded that enables him to both see the interest in publishing "moderate" perspectives on his website and at the same time come out with the nonsense "reasoning" in that video.
Yeah I think we can all see through that fairly easily, hardly takes a genius to read between the lines. It doesn't excuse the video we saw earlier in the thread though and I think that's the point. Just a lot of fukin lunatics on both sides with way too much time and money on their hands and an ability to send their messages all around the world.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 27, 2021, 10:20:41 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 27, 2021, 06:53:16 AM
I sure hope Sleepy Joe ain't doing the wages in the White House or the American tax payer is gonna be screwed... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/KY6Sca16tko
Ah, he's close to making sense here. Increase by 50% to 600m and then 300m will be vaccinated. If he's referring to a double dose, all he did was forget to say million after 300. That's not bad for a man of his age.
Imagine he was scrutinized and held to the same rigurous standards and questioning Trump was held to? He would literally implode.
He will be; just stay tuned in to Fox!
Yeah, Fox. Not from every angle imaginable.
Poor ol' Big Donnie ❤️.... I miss the little scamp a terra...
Fox, Breitbart, your new friends at American Renaissance, the New York Post, the Spectator, the Liberal, plenty of perspectives.
But if anyone is interested in regular analysis of the Biden/Harris mandate hypocrisy that isn't itself hypocritical, check in on the Jacobin website from time to time. It's full-on proper worker socialism, but still with a very high level of writing, and they will be wringing the Democrat party dry, as they have been forever. Anything a Republican will have to say about Biden you could more or less write yourself, so if it's perspectives you're actually interested in, there you go.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 27, 2021, 10:37:22 AM
Quote from: open face surgery on January 27, 2021, 10:20:41 AM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 27, 2021, 06:53:16 AM
I sure hope Sleepy Joe ain't doing the wages in the White House or the American tax payer is gonna be screwed... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/KY6Sca16tko
Ah, he's close to making sense here. Increase by 50% to 600m and then 300m will be vaccinated. If he's referring to a double dose, all he did was forget to say million after 300. That's not bad for a man of his age.
Imagine he was scrutinized and held to the same rigurous standards and questioning Trump was held to? He would literally implode.
Isn't he though? That video picked up on what is a fairly innocuous minor and has 300k odd views in less than a day
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 27, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Fox, Breitbart, your new friends at American Renaissance, the New York Post, the Spectator, the Liberal, plenty of perspectives.
But if anyone is interested in regular analysis of the Biden/Harris mandate hypocrisy that isn't itself hypocritical, check in on the Jacobin website from time to time. It's full-on proper worker socialism, but still with a very high level of writing, and they will be wringing the Democrat party dry, as they have been forever. Anything a Republican will have to say about Biden you could more or less write yourself, so if it's perspectives you're actually interested in, there you go.
If only they were on the same level as tech giants FB, Twitter and YT.....
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 27, 2021, 11:12:57 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 27, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Fox, Breitbart, your new friends at American Renaissance, the New York Post, the Spectator, the Liberal, plenty of perspectives.
But if anyone is interested in regular analysis of the Biden/Harris mandate hypocrisy that isn't itself hypocritical, check in on the Jacobin website from time to time. It's full-on proper worker socialism, but still with a very high level of writing, and they will be wringing the Democrat party dry, as they have been forever. Anything a Republican will have to say about Biden you could more or less write yourself, so if it's perspectives you're actually interested in, there you go.
If only they were on the same level as tech giants FB, Twitter and YT.....
...which is exactly where most of the sources I listed get their traffic driven from...
Allowed to be driven you mean....
Wow dude. Deep.
Gas how demented the world has got. If you were to write an absurdist comedy on the impact of technology and tech giants on modern life, they'd tell you to rein it in if this was your storyboard.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55765516
https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2021/01/26/google_parler_lawsuit
Quote from: Pedrito on January 27, 2021, 12:00:47 PM
Gas how demented the world has got. If you were to write an absurdist comedy on the impact of technology and tech giants on modern life, they'd tell you to rein it in if this was your storyboard.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55765516
That's amazing. Hahahaha. 'Vengeance is definite' doesn't sound like a man mincing his words.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 27, 2021, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 27, 2021, 12:00:47 PM
Gas how demented the world has got. If you were to write an absurdist comedy on the impact of technology and tech giants on modern life, they'd tell you to rein it in if this was your storyboard.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55765516
That's amazing. Hahahaha. 'Vengeance is definite' doesn't sound like a man mincing his words.
Much as I love Big Donnie ❤️ it would be quite apt for him to go on the golf course like a true warrior legend.
Not exactly the place but as this is sort of US thread, anybody watching the r/wallstreetbets vs hedge funds which is currently unfolding?
It will be interesting to see what sort of rules are introduced to protect the hedge funds as that will certainly be the outcome.
Of course I can only read other folks summaries and have to try learn a bit as I go, but I have a soft spot for investors getting a bit of a kicking
Edit: hang on it might be over before it gets going..
Nasdaq President Adena Friedman: We monitor social media chatter and will halt stock if we match chatter with unusual activity in stocks
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 27, 2021, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: open face surgery on January 27, 2021, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 27, 2021, 12:00:47 PM
Gas how demented the world has got. If you were to write an absurdist comedy on the impact of technology and tech giants on modern life, they'd tell you to rein it in if this was your storyboard.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55765516
That's amazing. Hahahaha. 'Vengeance is definite' doesn't sound like a man mincing his words.
Much as I love Big Donnie ❤️ it would be quite apt for him to go on the golf course like a true warrior legend.
What's even more surreal is which leader is allowed use Twitter, an American company founded in the cradle of the hippy movememt and possibly the more liberal place in the world. A company that mightn't think it but is the direct result of every American value. Jim Morrison never saw stranger days. Big Donnie more dangerous than the Ayatollah..some craic.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 27, 2021, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 27, 2021, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: open face surgery on January 27, 2021, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 27, 2021, 12:00:47 PM
Gas how demented the world has got. If you were to write an absurdist comedy on the impact of technology and tech giants on modern life, they'd tell you to rein it in if this was your storyboard.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55765516
That's amazing. Hahahaha. 'Vengeance is definite' doesn't sound like a man mincing his words.
Much as I love Big Donnie ❤️ it would be quite apt for him to go on the golf course like a true warrior legend.
What's even more surreal is which leader is allowed use Twitter, an American company founded in the cradle of the hippy movememt and possibly the more liberal place in the world. A company that mightn't think it but is the direct result of every American value. Jim Morrison never saw stranger days. Big Donnie more dangerous than the Ayatollah..some craic.
Didn't they ban the Ayatollah after that tweet.
Yep they did.
Wasn't Khameini's official page - it's still up. It retweeted the golf thing, but then removed it.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on January 27, 2021, 10:36:25 PM
Wasn't Khameini's official page - it's still up. It retweeted the golf thing, but then removed it.
Aye. They blocked the one it came from. He's got loads of accounts anyway.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 27, 2021, 06:31:12 PM
Not exactly the place but as this is sort of US thread, anybody watching the r/wallstreetbets vs hedge funds which is currently unfolding?
It will be interesting to see what sort of rules are introduced to protect the hedge funds as that will certainly be the outcome.
Of course I can only read other folks summaries and have to try learn a bit as I go, but I have a soft spot for investors getting a bit of a kicking
Edit: hang on it might be over before it gets going..
Nasdaq President Adena Friedman: We monitor social media chatter and will halt stock if we match chatter with unusual activity in stocks
CNN have started blaming the whole Gamestop thing on Trumpism. :laugh:
What I find the funniest about this is is the poor old Mets have done it again. Years ago, their owners signed a bunch of new players, and ended up losing a few hundred million dollars thanks to getting involved with Bernie Madoff.
Now, Steve Cohen buys the Mets, signs a bunch of players, and loses a couple of billion thanks to a bunch of Redditors.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on January 27, 2021, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 27, 2021, 06:31:12 PM
Not exactly the place but as this is sort of US thread, anybody watching the r/wallstreetbets vs hedge funds which is currently unfolding?
It will be interesting to see what sort of rules are introduced to protect the hedge funds as that will certainly be the outcome.
Of course I can only read other folks summaries and have to try learn a bit as I go, but I have a soft spot for investors getting a bit of a kicking
Edit: hang on it might be over before it gets going..
Nasdaq President Adena Friedman: We monitor social media chatter and will halt stock if we match chatter with unusual activity in stocks
CNN have started blaming the whole Gamestop thing on Trumpism. :laugh:
What I find the funniest about this is is the poor old Mets have done it again. Years ago, their owners signed a bunch of new players, and ended up losing a few hundred million dollars thanks to getting involved with Bernie Madoff.
Now, Steve Cohen buys the Mets, signs a bunch of players, and loses a couple of billion thanks to a bunch of Redditors.
Pure poetry. The reported losses are massive.
There is a good overview here https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamer.com/amp/the-white-house-is-monitoring-the-situation-as-reddit-pushes-gamestop-stock-even-higher/ for anyone who hasn't heard the story.
I could see the hedge funds lobbying hard to put a stop to this real quick
Edit: citron have made a rather surprising sounding statement on the possibility of WH involvement. Does somebody see a future in astroturfing on reddit as a way to manipulate share prices? I think maybe wallstreetbets could
be the architects of their own demise with this success
:abbath:
Keith's video was the first I heard of the Reddit debacle, actually.
3 billion in losses is unreal. It'll be interesting to see what sledgehammer they drop on this kind activity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F3k2ESpI9I&ab_channel=KeithWoods
Decent player in his day was Keith
Seemingly, sometime in the past, he made what's been described as a sordid gay porn movie...
In The Woods.... :-X
Good to see him with the hair back as well.
This is fascinating stuff.
Yeah, really suits him....
Not much activity on the forum today. Mid week slump, soy fatigue..?
Mostly jobs and activities. You should try it
Quote from: Blackout on January 28, 2021, 01:12:58 PM
Mostly jobs and activities. You should try it
Ba Dum Tish
Lol... :laugh:
Sure thing Will Ferrell...
Here is a fact checking archive on Joe Biden, most likely politically driven, but then so was much of the fact checking done on Trump.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/22/heres-the-full-list-of-every-lie-joe-biden-has-told-as-president/
I found this after reading that the Washington Post won't fact check old Joe and instead just assume he will be telling the truth. Good impartial work there.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 28, 2021, 05:33:22 PM
Here is a fact checking archive on Joe Biden, most likely politically driven, but then so was much of the fact checking done on Trump.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/22/heres-the-full-list-of-every-lie-joe-biden-has-told-as-president/
I found this after reading that the Washington Post won't fact check old Joe and instead just assume he will be telling the truth. Good impartial work there.
I don't understand the first one. What is the lie exactly?
Quote from: pete on January 28, 2021, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 28, 2021, 05:33:22 PM
Here is a fact checking archive on Joe Biden, most likely politically driven, but then so was much of the fact checking done on Trump.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/22/heres-the-full-list-of-every-lie-joe-biden-has-told-as-president/
I found this after reading that the Washington Post won't fact check old Joe and instead just assume he will be telling the truth. Good impartial work there.
I don't understand the first one. What is the lie exactly?
I guess it is trying to say that he lied by saying he wanted to get to 150 million shots in the 100 days, which is stretching the idea of lying a bit to be fair. My hatred of fact checkers as nothing more than a political tool was the main point of the post.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 28, 2021, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: pete on January 28, 2021, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 28, 2021, 05:33:22 PM
Here is a fact checking archive on Joe Biden, most likely politically driven, but then so was much of the fact checking done on Trump.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/22/heres-the-full-list-of-every-lie-joe-biden-has-told-as-president/
I found this after reading that the Washington Post won't fact check old Joe and instead just assume he will be telling the truth. Good impartial work there.
I don't understand the first one. What is the lie exactly?
I guess it is trying to say that he lied by saying he wanted to get to 150 million shots in the 100 days, which is stretching the idea of lying a bit to be fair. My hatred of fact checkers as nothing more than a political tool was the main point of the post.
Ah fair enough then, I just thought I was struggling as opposed to it being nonsense.
Actually reading on one of is even "Sources within the Biden administration..." lied, brilliant.
And they haven't even got to Hunter's laptop yet!
What was the actual story with that laptop in the end? Was there anything on there or was it a load of shite?
I have come to my own conclusion around fact checking over the last year or so, that it sounds like a noble idea but is in fact used to convince us all that truth is lies and lies are truth. It's a pity because I used to enjoy the likes of snopes and either they had more integrity or I was more naive. Both probably.
This stock market/reddit thing is getting more interesting. Discord bans server, apps prevent free trading, politicians and influencers trying to defend the fact that the market is fine to be rigged by billionaires but not ordinary people. Crazy stuff.
Yeah it's interesting. If the market knows about heavy shorting, why has this not been done before? What was different this time?
I think this time the right people aren't making the gains.
I meant more why did it start. Like I presume shorting goes on all the time, is visible to the market (yes?) and people could always band together to buy shorted stock and negatively impact a hedge fund. Is it always clear a particular hedge fund is shorting the stock?
Ah I get you now. I followed r/wallstreetbets for a couple of years and while a lot of it went over my head, they had been building towards something like this for quite some time and I guess this time they simply got enough numbers together and Elon Musk's tweet seemed to galvanise them, too. I think when hedge funds were traditionally shorting the stock, there maybe wasn't a very public forum telling everyone what they were doing or planning to do. Or something like that. I have to learn a lot more to get the most out of this story but I think there will be more to come and maybe some dirt on the regular hedge funds to come out in the wash.
Ok I get you yeah, and I see r/wallstreetbets has "4,909,919 readers".
And have they attempted it before?
I think they have tried things like this but on a smaller scale. Certainly nothing newsworthy up until now. I followed it in the hope of getting some grasp on the stock market but so much of it went over my head that I gave up. Elon Musk appears to have been playing with influencing the markets a couple of times over the last few months. I vaguely remember some other story about him tweeting something that sent stocks either soaring or crashing a while back. It might even have been his own company's stock price he was messing with and I'll have to look it up again but he seems to be a sort of cult hero on that sub.
Here's something else I came across: Vladimir Vs Big Tech
https://twitter.com/i/status/1354544120719683593
Might be a bit rich coming from this fella.
5 second google search later...Washington Post, obviously, haven't said they won't be fact-checking Biden. They've said they don't currently have plans to set up a ticker-tape style counter of publicly communicated falsehoods, which was initially necessitated only because of the verbal diarrhoea conduit that was Trump's twitter account, the sheer weight of which prohibited an article-style fact-check for each one.
What "impartial" source did you get the distorted version through, perchance? ;) Not that I think the Washington Post is anything worth defending, but did you honestly think - even if at an editorial level that were the de facto decision - that they would publicly state that they just weren't going to fact check Biden?? :-\
Ted Cruz re-tweeting AOC on the GameStop story...
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1354833603943931905
He has to be doing that to get at her more than actually agreeing with her.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 28, 2021, 11:30:32 PM
He has to be doing that to get at her more than actually agreeing with her.
Probably so...in which case, it worked! :laugh:
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1354848253729234944
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 28, 2021, 11:07:40 PM
5 second google search later...Washington Post, obviously, haven't said they won't be fact-checking Biden. They've said they don't currently have plans to set up a ticker-tape style counter of publicly communicated falsehoods, which was initially necessitated only because of the verbal diarrhoea conduit that was Trump's twitter account, the sheer weight of which prohibited an article-style fact-check for each one.
What "impartial" source did you get the distorted version through, perchance? ;) Not that I think the Washington Post is anything worth defending, but did you honestly think - even if at an editorial level that were the de facto decision - that they would publicly state that they just weren't going to fact check Biden?? :-\
He even gets fact checked by the NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/biden-south-africa-arrest-mandela.html
I got it off one of the most conservative of conservative sites. It was so conservative I can't even remember the name of it. https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2021/01/23/cozy-washpost-fact-checker-admits-they-wont-count-bidens-false. Then I fact-checked it, just as you did! And lo and behold they said that they presumed that Biden wouldn't need to be subjected to a running total as Trump was, because after his press office got back to them so promptly (with democrat supporting sources about things they asked them to verify) they could tell how straight-up that this administration was going to be. Sorry for getting pedantic about it. Next time I'll stick to the point.
:-*
The Gamestop story gives me hope gor the world. What a beautiful way to hit the establishment right in the nutsack. The same establishment propped up by crooked politicians, shutting down speech, telling us how we should talk and act, big tech, billionaires hidden behind PR companies, a big part of the reason Trump was voted for(false messiah as he may be well have been), but regardless, just a heartwarming story all round. It won't happen again, but great to see a proper crack in the system.instead of people destroying their own neighbourhoods and people of similar social status.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 29, 2021, 09:31:13 PM
The Gamestop story gives me hope gor the world. What a beautiful way to hit the establishment right in the nutsack. The same establishment propped up by crooked politicians, shutting down speech, telling us how we should talk and act, big tech, billionaires hidden behind PR companies, a big part of the reason Trump was voted for(false messiah as he may be well have been), but regardless, just a heartwarming story all round. It won't happen again, but great to see a proper crack in the system.instead of people destroying their own neighbourhoods and people of similar social status.
First Trump is a false messiah. The reasons you outlined are the reasons he was voted in. But he is as far from a messiah as you could hope for.
As regards your comment that it won't happen again. History is full of revolts. No reason to assume it won't happen again. And with the advent of technology there's no limits to what hackers could potentially do. If they are brave enough.
And the gamestop story is fucking beautiful to behold.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 28, 2021, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 28, 2021, 11:07:40 PM
5 second google search later...Washington Post, obviously, haven't said they won't be fact-checking Biden. They've said they don't currently have plans to set up a ticker-tape style counter of publicly communicated falsehoods, which was initially necessitated only because of the verbal diarrhoea conduit that was Trump's twitter account, the sheer weight of which prohibited an article-style fact-check for each one.
What "impartial" source did you get the distorted version through, perchance? ;) Not that I think the Washington Post is anything worth defending, but did you honestly think - even if at an editorial level that were the de facto decision - that they would publicly state that they just weren't going to fact check Biden?? :-\
He even gets fact checked by the NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/biden-south-africa-arrest-mandela.html
I got it off one of the most conservative of conservative sites. It was so conservative I can't even remember the name of it. https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2021/01/23/cozy-washpost-fact-checker-admits-they-wont-count-bidens-false. Then I fact-checked it, just as you did! And lo and behold they said that they presumed that Biden wouldn't need to be subjected to a running total as Trump was, because after his press office got back to them so promptly (with democrat supporting sources about things they asked them to verify) they could tell how straight-up that this administration was going to be. Sorry for getting pedantic about it. Next time I'll stick to the point.
FATALITY! 😂😂💪💪😘😘
Huh?
Anyway, back to the real virtual world...
https://youtu.be/5MwxU8Qd0KE
Disco Trev barely speaks here at all, don't worry, but Doug is worth listening to.
Say what you will about Tucker but this is a very good breakdown of Gamestop. Now look at the pro inclusivity, pro BLM message that Robinhood was peddling and see the changes they have been forced to make since Gamestop and it reveals where the REAL power is.
While a country stands divided, normal people are at each others' throats about absolute nonsense, pie in the sky privilege discussions and wokeness and whitenese and all that crap, the real behemoths are controlling everything in the background and just feeding that whole narrative, stepping back from the fire they created, admiring their work and making shit tonnes of money off of it. People can't see the forest from the trees is the point, but it's been a long looong time since I have seen such a consensus of support for this Gamestop initiative across these ridiculous boundaries people have created for themselves.
It would give you hope but they'll ramp up the protections now and make sure that they are more vigilant in future. We laugh about ideas like the Illuminati(fair enough) but we are definitely not all equal and this world of traders, Wall street, hedge funds and the politicians they have in their pocket, big tech etc, is where the power lies. We should trust none of them.
https://youtu.be/S0HvhZIyfag
Can one of the things we say about him be that he is from a top 1% family?
Watch the video. Everything has an angle with you ffs.
20 minutes of Tucker is a big ask, but okay, later. But when it comes to attacks on the rich, no matter how sensible the reasoning, Tucker, like Trump with his swamp talk, are just getting people on board that they don't care about. The anti-elite dollar is always a good dollar, even if you're one of the elite. Murdoch was one of the first to understand and exploit this. The angles are already there.
Fair enough. I forget people can't listen to Tucker without getting in a tizzy but if you listen cafefully he isn't saying anything that he hasn't been saying for years. The country is divided because they want you divided. I could put any number of similar videos up that I have seen over the past few days but a woke detector would immediately shut them down because of this 'labelling' that is going on. And this 'labelling' is the exact reason that nothing of any worth is actually going to change in the system. We are tiptoeing around words and while the real criminals just keep on making money.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 30, 2021, 09:50:10 AM
Watch the video. Everything has an angle with you ffs.
A RIGHT angle.
"They're for science" - Tucker Carlson on Robinhood. Tucker just using it as a way to hit out at the same things he always does, very little insight and facts about GameStop story I felt.
Also I feel Tucker could do a similar segment on himself and Fox News.
Quote from: pete on January 30, 2021, 10:03:01 AM
"They're for science" - Tucker Carlson on Robinhood. Tucker just using it as a way to hit out at the same things he always does, very little insight and facts about GameStop story I felt.
Also I feel Tucker could do a similar segment on himself and Fox News.
Why?
Quote from: pete on January 30, 2021, 10:03:01 AM
"They're for science" - Tucker Carlson on Robinhood. Tucker just using it as a way to hit out at the same things he always does, very little insight and facts about GameStop story I felt.
Also I feel Tucker could do a similar segment on himself and Fox News.
Yeah that's nothing new to anyone and it misses the point. People are so obsessed with the messenger that they won't allow themselves to hear the message. The majority of what he is saying is worth listening to. When he starts into his little anti democrat spiel it might be time to turn off the vid/take with a pinch of salt/or actually note what he's saying and go find out if he's right or wrong about what he's saying. That said, plenty of that video is worth listening to with, of course, a healthy dose of scepticism in certain parts.
He did get a few justified pops in at the new admin but thought it was a good piece.
So what is the current status of the situation? Did Robinhood freezing the stocks tank the Redditors?
Quote from: Pedrito on January 30, 2021, 10:38:00 AM
Quote from: pete on January 30, 2021, 10:03:01 AM
"They're for science" - Tucker Carlson on Robinhood. Tucker just using it as a way to hit out at the same things he always does, very little insight and facts about GameStop story I felt.
Also I feel Tucker could do a similar segment on himself and Fox News.
Yeah that's nothing new to anyone and it misses the point. People are so obsessed with the messenger that they won't allow themselves to hear the message. The majority of what he is saying is worth listening to. When he starts into his little anti democrat spiel it might be time to turn off the vid/take with a pinch of salt/or actually note what he's saying and go find out if he's right or wrong about what he's saying. That said, plenty of that video is worth listening to with, of course, a healthy dose of scepticism in certain parts.
I'm not obsessed with the messenger. I watched it to find out more about the GameStop story. Felt it was poor on detail and facts in this regard and just used as a tool for Tucker to bash the things he usually bashes.
Tucker is ultra entertaining, and despite the laughable partisanship, his show is not completely without insight as some of you are suggesting.
He's a pundit, an opinion merchant and he mocks and laughs at those who are due it. One of the funniest people on TV. I couldn't give a shite if he is over the top and obnoxious. 20 minutes in his company is a big ask only for the humourless, wannabe1/4 black, 1/4 Chinese mentally ill homosexual drone/clone soldiers of the NWO, and not even the cool NWO with Hollywood Hogan.
Watched 10 minutes and couldn't hack any more. It's not a case of message versus messenger. It's a case of instrumentalizing a fish-in-a-barrel buzz story and using that merely as a vehicle for your real message. Bit of very obvious sugar, whole load of shit, smeared all over with irrelevant syrup guaranteed to flatter the "common man".
The little bit of sugar insight there can be gotten from much better sources. And a Fox pundit criticizing someone for using fear in order to push a hidden agenda; well, I guess that's the humour bit, is it?
You literally threw up the same thing with oul cunty fuck virtue signaller a Trevor Noah on the last page. The message from both was fairly similar however. A point we can all agree on and in fairness to oul Tucker he as much as points that out. While we're arguing over the breadcrumbs, johnny big balls is sitting at the table laughing down at us.
I threw up a thing with the disclaimer that I was throwing it up because the expert who was being interviewed in it was worth listening to and NOT the pundit.
This interview is a defence of the Robinhood side from the Webull CEO, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RS4JIEVyXM
Claiming not enough liquidity to cover 100% which the DTCC allegedly required, but I don't understand is that if the buyers are transferring their funds upfront for the payment two days later why don't Robinhood/Webull have the funds, is it just purely the time it takes for the money to move between buyer and broker that the broker doesn't have the money for the clearing firms at that time.
Will be interesting to see others explain why these claims from Robinhood / webull are false
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlkSHo6aUe8
Quote from: Pedrito on January 30, 2021, 11:13:42 AM
While we're arguing over the breadcrumbs, johnny big balls is sitting at the table laughing down at us.
Indeed; including equally Carlson, the heads of Fox, of course of whatever channel The Daily Show is on, etc. That's why proper hard-core independent Marxist sources are the only way to go :P :abbath:
https://youtu.be/JvhY_-v9Ar0
Big Tech enabling the fight of the citizens against the ruling class elite!!
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 30, 2021, 12:09:31 PM
https://youtu.be/JvhY_-v9Ar0
That Glenn Greenwald guy is a smart cookie. I love how he brought it back to free speech. We should not allow these Orgasmatron overlords limit what we can or cannot talk about.
Quote from: pete on January 30, 2021, 01:10:52 PM
Big Tech enabling the fight of the citizens against the ruling class elite!!
Ain't that simple
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/1/27/22253251/discord-bans-the-r-wallstreetbets-server
Hatespeech and social justice BS the tool to shut down all abberations in the matrix.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 30, 2021, 01:54:44 PM
Quote from: pete on January 30, 2021, 01:10:52 PM
Big Tech enabling the fight of the citizens against the ruling class elite!!
Ain't that simple
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/1/27/22253251/discord-bans-the-r-wallstreetbets-server
Hatespeech and social justice BS the tool to shut down all abberations in the matrix.
I had followed the discord story alright.
Update : https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/28/22254339/discord-r-wallstreetbets-server-help-moderation-ban
Was just talking about Greenwald in the video linked pointing to reddit being the thing that enabled this to happen.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/donald-trump-resigns-from-screen-actors-guild-in-fiery-letter-you-have-done-nothing-for-me/RZ3WKNDQHBQW7B3WYHPJN3SUVI/
Legendary stuff here. Well done telling them to stick it. Might have slight delusions of grandeur re his acting career but still, fuck the SAG and their shitty virtue signalling. All they had to do was to shut the fuck up about it
Quote from: astfgyl on February 04, 2021, 11:06:02 PM
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/donald-trump-resigns-from-screen-actors-guild-in-fiery-letter-you-have-done-nothing-for-me/RZ3WKNDQHBQW7B3WYHPJN3SUVI/
Legendary stuff here. Well done telling them to stick it. Might have slight delusions of grandeur re his acting career but still, fuck the SAG and their shitty virtue signalling. All they had to do was to shut the fuck up about it
The letter starting with "who cares!" but then seems to continue as if he does care quite a lot haha.
They should let him reopen his Twitter account again for the laugh. You'd miss the nonsense.
"You've done nothing for me" That gave me a chuckle.
Big Donnie ❤️ still living rent free in your heads I see? :laugh:
Rent free Donnie sounds about right :laugh:
I just thought it was the shittiest type of virtue signalling from the SAG. I mean it's not as if he was going to try revive a career in acting or anything. Probably. No need to be making out like they are spreading the message of unity with petty shite like that. It's just pathetic stuff.
Here is a bit of a story on just how coordinated the effort to get rid of trump actually was. He was really up against it.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
When Ronald Reagan was President of the SAG they were up to far shittier stuff. They're not exactly an entity anyone should be expecting any kind of exemplary behavior from, are they?
Yeah, but president Reagan was a cunt!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 05, 2021, 03:02:32 PM
When Ronald Reagan was President of the SAG they were up to far shittier stuff. They're not exactly an entity anyone should be expecting any kind of exemplary behavior from, are they?
Yeah fair point
Our favourite organic warrior is doing well you'll all be pleased to know....
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-michael-pence-virginia-9a28be7295c76947aaf5b223411c1ddd
They should get him a nice pillow from MyPillow so he can sleep tight knowing it wasn't all in vain
If you have a very specialised diet then jail is probably not the best place to go.
Has anyone seen the Absolute Proof video doing the rounds about election fraud? I watched a bit of it and the claims made are something. All about the machines of course. I would love to see where they got the information from as they are strong claims.
The lad presenting it doesn't do it any favours though and sort of puts me in mind of that shabby 4 seasons press conference.
Anyway it's probably a load of shit but I was attracted to watch it because all the internet giants are scrubbing it out as quick as it appears and it's likely one for the conspiracy thread, but has anyone seen it or any of the claims it makes? It's made by one of trump's friends
Quote from: astfgyl on February 05, 2021, 03:00:04 PM
Here is a bit of a story on just how coordinated the effort to get rid of trump actually was. He was really up against it.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Here's a quote from the article which is a bit disturbing, regardless of trump's shenanigans
"That's why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information. They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it. And they believe the public needs to understand the system's fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures."
Fortifying.
House impeachment managers' opening video:
https://youtu.be/fC9VfKT4yAA
Video removed :laugh:
Let it lie lads. Big Donnie's ❤️ gone and the Off Topic is going back to being shit again.
It was good while it lasted... 8)
Orange man gone. Same old shit for the BurnLootMurder brigade... :laugh:
https://youtu.be/56F0Avb9fUY
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 10, 2021, 06:06:55 AM
Video removed :laugh:
Sorry, here is a C-Span link
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4944566/user-clip-house-impeachment-managers-opening-video
Off with his head!
Anyone miss Trump from Twitter? For those who didn't or did like him
Quote from: astfgyl on February 10, 2021, 05:32:46 PM
Anyone miss Trump from Twitter? For those who didn't or did like him
I despise Twitter so does not affect me in any way. Signed up to see what it was about. And it's a shitshow. So quickly signed off the cunting thing.
Edit. I did tweet once. When Gemma got fuck all votes I laughed at her. Then got blocked. Fun times.
It is indeed a cesspit. There are some good things and info to be found on there but extreme caution is required before taking anything on there as true and I've been caught with a few bits. Take Trump for example he used to share and tweet some awful shite but I still found him entertaining and enjoyed checking what he was up to through his account without believing it all. Maybe the world will be a better place without him, time will tell, but I miss his bluster a bit.
Not following the impeachment at all, I'll just wait for the result of that one and see how it went but if he was still online I'd probably be getting a good laugh out of his takes on it all. Actually then maybe it is better he is gone
The impeachment is a waste of time. He won't be found guilty so I see no point in it. Twitter came out today and said his account is permenantly banned, even if he runs in 2024. Imagine he wins 2024 and gets access back using the presidential account.
Was it just his personal account that was banned? Could he still use the POTUS one?
Quote from: open face surgery on February 10, 2021, 08:35:53 PM
Was it just his personal account that was banned? Could he still use the POTUS one?
They stopped the POTUS one on January the 8th I believe.
In good news the relief bill will include child benefits up to 300 dollars a month and will have a funeral fund that is backdated to help families with funeral costs. Why Trump didn't enact a relief bill is beyond me. Then again he just ignored Covid for months anyway.
I thought he did but it was stalled or he couldn't get it through congress or such like. Anyway I could be wrong and fair play to the current crowd for getting it done.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 10, 2021, 10:37:55 PM
I thought he did but it was stalled or he couldn't get it through congress or such like. Anyway I could be wrong and fair play to the current crowd for getting it done.
Aye their was a bit of back and forth I think. Republicans only wanted 600 dollar checks. Democrats wanted 2000. Usual politics bullshit while families suffer. Why it's actually good now that Democrats won the Senate. At least they can get stuff done quickly.
Trump wanted ¢2000 cheques so the next administration wouldn't have to set up the relief fund.
https://www.vox.com/2020/12/23/22197037/trump-2000-stimulus-checks
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on February 10, 2021, 10:45:05 PM
Trump wanted ¢2000 cheques so the next administration wouldn't have to set up the relief fund.
https://www.vox.com/2020/12/23/22197037/trump-2000-stimulus-checks
Well he had control of the Senate so why didn't he get it pushed through then.
Edit. Republicans didn't want 2k cheques. The mind boggles.
It actually paints this country in a good light. 7 weeks on the pup and that's 2 grand with fuck all political wrangling.
Fuck I nearly choked just typing that but credit where it's due
Quote from: astfgyl on February 10, 2021, 11:27:11 PM
Fuck I nearly choked just typing that but credit where it's due
:laugh:
Part of the delay was, because as what normally happens with these sort of bills coming to the end of a term, other politicians had added their own little pet projects to it, like $10 million to Pakistan for gender studies. :laugh:
G'wan Ollkiller, give the big lad a 'fairplaycha', g'wan
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 11, 2021, 07:37:19 PM
G'wan Ollkiller, give the big lad a 'fairplaycha', g'wan
Whatever gets ya thru the day buddy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPfzi1I7V9A First episode of BBC's Trump takes on the World is up on YouTube. Good insight from the people who served under Trump.
Too soon for me to willingly listen to any more of him talking :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 11, 2021, 09:59:18 PM
Too soon for me to willingly listen to any more of him talking :laugh:
True. But it's got access to a lot of his staff and world leaders and ambassadors etc. Bolton, McMathus, Jeremy Hunt and so on.
Yknow, I never actually liked Trump in the first place, but when every news outlet and the corporate virtue signalling went so hard against him I wanted him to do well as an oul fuck you to the horrible way that I see everything going. So even when what these lads say is true, and Trump is actually a shit person, I get no kick out of them putting the boot in no matter how credible. Hopefully Biden will be gone so senile as to actually do good for people. I don't think he will but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt but then at the same time he is the corporate darling and only painted in a good light by the news all the time despite being so lacking in charisma and without actually doing fuck all that I find it hard not to dislike him. Obama was shite in the end as well and Trump but at least they had some bit of something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE
Quote from: astfgyl on February 11, 2021, 10:38:01 PM
Yknow, I never actually liked Trump in the first place, but when every news outlet and the corporate virtue signalling went so hard against him I wanted him to do well as an oul fuck you to the horrible way that I see everything going. So even when what these lads say is true, and Trump is actually a shit person, I get no kick out of them putting the boot in no matter how credible.
I can see your point, especially the mass hysteria of the media. I watched it to just get a bit more insight. He comes from the property business full of sharks into the political realm, still full of sharks, but a different type of shark, like in Jaws 2.
The one piece in the episode that summed it up for me was when the Defence Secretary Jim Mattis organised a meeting at the pentagon where they outlined the economic and security benefits of staying in Nato. At the end of all the presentations, which outlined how they get back way more than they put in, both economically and security wise, Trump says were paying too much, and then asks why the don't have military parades like the one he had just being at in France. Everyone in the room at that point realised they were dealing with someone just not fit for the job.
I see Trump came through the pointless show trial unscathed. Looking at a bit of a recap and the democrats made a show of themselves. They should have left it off when he was gone.
"he's totally guilty but I'll just vote not guilty here"
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 14, 2021, 02:52:49 PM
"he's totally guilty but I'll just vote not guilty here"
Good old Mitch. Im voting no as you cant impeach a president when hes out of office and thats because I stalled the impeachment until he was out of office. Couldnt make it up. But he threw Trump under the bus with his comments straight afterwards. Hes trying to make sure he has no collateral to run in 2024. Trump will still try to run.
After four years of Bidens liberalism he would have a good chance at winning. Don't think the party will run him again though. He dropped the ball massively on corona virus and his post election tantrums were highly embarrassing. People forget that it wasn't as much about Trump himself as it was people getting sick to their teeth of woke culture.
Facebook.... strewth!
https://www.thejournal.ie/facebook-block-australian-news-5357776-Feb2021/?section=comment#comments
From what I heard there was some dodgy dealings on behalf of the Aussie government. Still, the bare arse cheek of these companies telling countries what to do. I hope their strong arming bites them back and puts a nice dent in their revenue.
Quote from: hellfire on February 18, 2021, 11:44:58 AM
From what I heard there was some dodgy dealings on behalf of the Aussie government. Still, the bare arse cheek of these companies telling countries what to do. I hope their strong arming bites them back and puts a nice dent in their revenue.
By companies here do you mean the news companies?
Am I correct in that it is the news companies(murdochs newscorp) have got the government to tell Facebook you must pay the news companies and Facebook have said fine we won't circulate the content from these news companies?
More or less correct. Not entirely sure I agree with the Australian government. Still I relish every time these massive companies are brought into line.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2021, 02:23:30 PM
I see Trump came through the pointless show trial unscathed. Looking at a bit of a recap and the democrats made a show of themselves. They should have left it off when he was gone.
Just a bit of light treason - totally pointless alright :laugh:
Quote from: The Demiurge on February 19, 2021, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2021, 02:23:30 PM
I see Trump came through the pointless show trial unscathed. Looking at a bit of a recap and the democrats made a show of themselves. They should have left it off when he was gone.
Just a bit of light treason - totally pointless alright :laugh:
Did you watch any of the evidence presented by his defence team? Basically if he incited anything that amounted to treason, most of the Democrats were guilty of the same thing. They were caught doctoring evidence and using quotes taken out of context, and were schooled by the defence. They even used that stupid quote about white supremacists being fine people that has long since been shown to be a load of bollix.
Trump being a good guy or not doesn't even come into it with a shitty attempt at a show trial like that. If they were going to impeach him then they should have had evidence.
His repeated baseless claim that the election had been stolen was actually evidence enough, objectively.
I don't think just saying that is enough for impeachment though. Or certainly doesn't qualify as treason anyway. Doesn't mean it's the finest to say either.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 19, 2021, 01:45:39 PM
I don't think just saying that is enough for impeachment though. Or certainly doesn't qualify as treason anyway. Doesn't mean it's the finest to say either.
Well that with other evidence was enough to impeach him for a second time.
Enough to find him not guilty you mean?
I'm not even really defending him here, his words and actions leave a lot to be desired to say the least but the hypocrisy of the Democrats is astounding and anyone supporting one over the other is ignoring the evidence of their eyes and ears.
Two ways of looking at it. It was never going to succeed but down the line could be a way to hammer the republicans who voted no to impeach. Especially if El Trumpo gets caught up in a few court cases. The ones that follow him though seem to give him a pass on anything he does. I suppose owning the libs, whatever the fuck that is, is what drives them.
I thought the sole purpose of it was to ensure he couldn't run again in 2024, but the ones pushing it didn't think it through.
I see the supreme court is to decide on some cases of election fraud this week. Another thing should be left off due to the now pointless nature of it.
He was impeached though agreed? :)
Yeah agreed. Twice. I reckon both impeachments had the opposite effect from what was intended and if anything made him more popular among his supporters but yeah he holds that less than proud record
Quote from: astfgyl on February 19, 2021, 07:37:18 PM
Yeah agreed. Twice. I reckon both impeachments had the opposite effect from what was intended and if anything made him more popular among his supporters but yeah he holds that less than proud record
Like Big Donnie ❤️ gives a flying phuck... :laugh:
Sleepy 'racist' Joe... :laugh:
https://mobile.twitter.com/joeecollins3/status/1277705752463814656?s=20
Funny thing about that is all the comments below about how it is being used out of context, which it is, but then the same people call trump racist for his comments which were also taken out of context. Some dopey bastards the lot of them on both sides.
Anyway, this was also funny: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/coca-cola-racism-robin-diangelo-coke-b1806122.html%3famp
Especially when viewed in light of the second result when searching "racist coca cola"..
https://www.coca-cola.ie/marketing/sponsorships-and-partnerships/coca-cola-and-sari-on-pack-promotion
Cant have it every way, Coke.
Or can they?? https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/fanta-our-favourite-bright-orange-drink-with-a-dark-past-7f3224d23b6a
Should have given the race training its own product to associate with
tangentially related to the idea of Trump vs media/tech.
FBI chap questioned about how many guns were seized during the armed insurrection in January.
"To my knowledge, none." says the lad. You wouldn't think it from the media coverage.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 04, 2021, 05:13:22 PM
tangentially related to the idea of Trump vs media/tech.
FBI chap questioned about how many guns were seized during the armed insurrection in January.
"To my knowledge, none." says the lad. You wouldn't think it from the media coverage.
Maybe the lad just has shit knowledge:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225721/gov.uscourts.dcd.225721.1.1_2.pdf
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 04, 2021, 05:28:43 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on March 04, 2021, 05:13:22 PM
tangentially related to the idea of Trump vs media/tech.
FBI chap questioned about how many guns were seized during the armed insurrection in January.
"To my knowledge, none." says the lad. You wouldn't think it from the media coverage.
Maybe the lad just has shit knowledge:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225721/gov.uscourts.dcd.225721.1.1_2.pdf
Without downloading that link, how many armed villains are we talking about?
It's court proceedings for only one case, so there one, but there were several other court proceedings brought for weapons possession. The other thing is that, in the US, "seizing of weapons" is hardly a meaningful criterion for anything; the second amendment bro!!
I know man, crazy country. You can open carry firearms in some states but gawd forbid you get caught with a wee bag of weed.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 04, 2021, 05:28:43 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on March 04, 2021, 05:13:22 PM
tangentially related to the idea of Trump vs media/tech.
FBI chap questioned about how many guns were seized during the armed insurrection in January.
"To my knowledge, none." says the lad. You wouldn't think it from the media coverage.
Maybe the lad just has shit knowledge:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225721/gov.uscourts.dcd.225721.1.1_2.pdf
Did you actually read that before you posted it?
QuoteDuring the evening of January 7, 2021, FBI Agents determined that MEREDITH was
staying at the Holiday Inn located at 550 C Street SW, Washington, DC. Agents made contact
with MEREDITH in his hotel room and he granted consent to search his hotel room, his Ford
truck, a Spartan trailer that can attach to the truck, and his mobile telephone.
By consent, agents searched MEREDITH's trailer, and saw a Glock 19, nine millimeter
pistol, a Tavor X95 assault rifle and approximately hundreds of rounds of ammunition. The trailer
was seized and a full search will be performed.
So was it at the Capitol insurrection or was it at the hotel? He may indeed have intended to bring his guns, but they were not seized at the Capitol on the 6th.
TBH I was surprised myself at the chap saying no guns were seized because I was almost certain I remembered pics of lads with guns, but here we are.
The main objection about how the insurrection was handled is that there was really no presence of law enforcers there on the 6th capable of seizing anything. Another reason it's kind of a non-starter as a point.
Nice sidestepping there. I simply quoted whatsisname saying no guns were seized to highlight the sensationalist and biased nature of the reporting around the insurrection, and you showed that he got it wrong by linking a court document that doesn't support what you said. It's like that story about the cop being done in with a fire extinguisher that was reported everywhere which still hasn't been proven in spite of the fact that he has already been cremated. Anyone can see that the reporting is terribly partisan.
There's an enquiry of sorts going on at the minute around the why of the lack of policing and troops on the 6th which might bring some clarity to that point but will probably just turn into a blame game.
It's not side-stepping. It's asking the question, "What meaning does it have to state that no guns were seized on the day of an insurrection that was glaringly under-policed?" What meaning does it have for you? Apparently, to you, it means that the media have been exaggerating things. But it could equally well simply be yet another indicator that there wasn't enough immediate police presence to get a good idea of what the weapon situation was. And then, since carrying a concealed weapon is practically encouraged in the US, even if there were loads of people armed, it would have been difficult to seize their weapons had they been concealed. Again, what does it mean? Just whatever the person wielding the quote wants it to mean and nothing more.
It doesn't mean whatever I want it to mean and nothing more. It means that the chap from the FBI says that to the best of his knowledge there were no guns seized at the armed insurrection on the 6th. That's pretty unambiguous as quotes go.
The media would have us believe that a whole bunch of gun toting trump supporters were about to kill the likes of Pelosi and AOC, and while that may be true there is no actual evidence to back that up. We can see however from the court documents you linked that there was a fella caught with guns at a hotel a day later who had sent texts about killing Pelosi.
The reporting is partisan. A simple way around this would be to say there were witness reports of guns wielded by insurrectionists, but these claims are so far unsubstantiated and amount to nothing more than hearsay as of now. That would be fair, but when it comes to reporting on trump from either side, the truth is never allowed to get in the way of a good headline. I'm also not a supporter of either side of US politics at all. They are as bad as each other.
QuoteBut it could equally well simply be yet another indicator that there wasn't enough immediate police presence to get a good idea of what the weapon situation was. And then, since carrying a concealed weapon is practically encouraged in the US, even if there were loads of people armed, it would have been difficult to seize their weapons had they been concealed.
It
could be, but that is supposition and has no proven basis in fact, and although the likelihood of it being true is strong, it is still unproven. There was only one shot fired at the Capitol and it was by an officer against an unarmed citizen.
Although Donald vs Big Tech turned out to be a bit of a non-event, Biden vs Putin has potential.
Putin's wishing old Joe good health sounded ominous.
Biden vs putin in a drone on a pole match.
https://youtu.be/j8WUswEIkXc
Funny shit. I think there is a strong chance this lad will fill the entertainment void quite nicely. Little wonder Putin called him out..
Hard to believe Biden has got the most votes ever for a president. I keep forgetting he's even president
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 23, 2021, 10:16:45 PM
Hard to believe Biden has got the most votes ever for a president. I keep forgetting he's even president
He's not a patch on Big Donnie ❤️.....
I'd say quite a few Biden voters are spinning in their graves.....
At least he's making all the Mexicants into MexiCANS :)
Hauld on...
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 23, 2021, 10:16:45 PM
Hard to believe Biden has got the most votes ever for a president. I keep forgetting he's even president
I don't find it hard to believe at all, it was an anti-Trump vote for the most part, not pro-Biden.
I'm delighted not to be hearing about that corrupt bollocks every fucking day. Life is somewhat more peaceful knowing there isn't a claimte change denier in the white house.
Quote from: The Demiurge on March 24, 2021, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 23, 2021, 10:16:45 PM
Hard to believe Biden has got the most votes ever for a president. I keep forgetting he's even president
I don't find it hard to believe at all, it was an anti-Trump vote for the most part, not pro-Biden.
I'm delighted not to be hearing about that corrupt bollocks every fucking day. Life is somewhat more peaceful knowing there isn't a claimte change denier in the white house.
It is refreshing to not see his daily ramblings.
Jaysus you've made a friend for life there Demiurge.
:laugh:
Somebody to hold hands...
Quote from: The Demiurge on March 24, 2021, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 23, 2021, 10:16:45 PM
Hard to believe Biden has got the most votes ever for a president. I keep forgetting he's even president
I don't find it hard to believe at all, it was an anti-Trump vote for the most part, not pro-Biden.
I'm delighted not to be hearing about that corrupt bollocks every fucking day. Life is somewhat more peaceful knowing there isn't a claimte change denier in the white house.
You will soon find out that old Joe is as rotten as any of them, regardless of what you think of trump.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 24, 2021, 12:43:17 PM
Jaysus you've made a friend for life there Demiurge.
Don't hide your bromance with Kurt dude. Show it to the world.
:-*
Quote from: astfgyl on March 24, 2021, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: The Demiurge on March 24, 2021, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on March 23, 2021, 10:16:45 PM
Hard to believe Biden has got the most votes ever for a president. I keep forgetting he's even president
I don't find it hard to believe at all, it was an anti-Trump vote for the most part, not pro-Biden.
I'm delighted not to be hearing about that corrupt bollocks every fucking day. Life is somewhat more peaceful knowing there isn't a claimte change denier in the white house.
You will soon find out that old Joe is as rotten as any of them, regardless of what you think of trump.
::)
Soon™
Yeah fair enough. I shouldn't have said soon as it's already apparent.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/parler-says-it-informed-fbi-of-violent-content-before-capitol-riot-11616702400
QuoteThe conservative-leaning social-media network Parler referred violent content from its platform to the FBI more than 50 times in the weeks before the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, the company said Thursday, following criticism that it failed to adequately police threats ahead of the deadly attack.
Apparently many Parler users didn't at all react well to this news of collaboration with the FBI.
::)
(https://imgur.com/a/zrvZLfF)
No shock that the wonderful BLM, while struggling for the ideal of fairness and equality in the world have turned out to be something entirely different. It happens with fucking everything. Money is power, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The endless carousel of shite turns eternal
For any of you using the Telegram messaging app that don't like having your content censored and are using the Jewgle version from Play Store....
Here's the Telegram version of the app....
Install this and then delete the Jewgle version...
https://telegram.org/android
Looks like rural broadband has hit a snag in SA....
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/394257-elon-musks-spacex-must-have-black-ownership-to-launch-starlink-in-south-africa-icasa.html
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on April 21, 2021, 10:27:46 AM
Looks like rural broadband has hit a snag in SA....
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/394257-elon-musks-spacex-must-have-black-ownership-to-launch-starlink-in-south-africa-icasa.html
What a fantastic and perfectly fair initiative. In a world of equality it makes perfect sense to have quotas on race.
Haven't heard much of our oul pal Trump lately, but here he is... vs Big Tech
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/561818-trump-to-sue-facebook-twitter-ceos-report
Honestly I don't see this going anywhere but it should piss a few people off if nothing else.
https://www.politico.eu/article/pro-trump-social-network-becomes-safe-haven-for-isis/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
:laugh:
He should have went on Gab when he was invited. It does raise interesting questions about the legitimacy of free speech though as well as being hilarious.
This either belongs here or in the corona thread but in one way or another it all relates in mad ways.
"The history of ENTRUST, the company that has the contract for the Digital Passports in the UK"
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/boom-vax-passport-company-039-s-horrifying-history_8I7URyJ5b2qUHoC.html
REFERENCES:
DOCUMENTARY: The Silence of the Quandts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpQpgd_EeWY
UK Vax passport article: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/vaccine-passports-contracts-government-covid-two-years-2023-1127579
BMW Breaks Silence on Nazi Past: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/bmw-dynasty-breaks-silence-its-nazi-past-2362634.html
Klatten Quandt Billionaires Lives are Harder than You Think: https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bmw-billionaire-heirs-say-their-lives-are-harder-than-you-think-1.1276016
Quandt Media Prize List: https://second.wiki/wiki/herbert_quandt_medien-preis
I'll get on this as well, I only heard of it today but you seem to have most of the homework done for me
Quote from: Ealaín on August 03, 2021, 04:14:43 AM
This either belongs here or in the corona thread but in one way or another it all relates in mad ways.
"The history of ENTRUST, the company that has the contract for the Digital Passports in the UK"
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/boom-vax-passport-company-039-s-horrifying-history_8I7URyJ5b2qUHoC.html
Pretty funny, given what follows, that the first comment on that vid (possibly/presumably from someone who hadn't watched it yet??) points the finger at "Zionist Jews - Thats who" [sic] :laugh:
Wait, so the Zionist Jews are the Nazis?
Oh......
I already knew that
Aye the comment sections there and bitchute can be the hairiest at times,
Quote from: astfgyl on August 03, 2021, 11:22:26 PM
I'll get on this as well, I only heard of it today but you seem to have most of the homework done for me
Just a brief overview of links for the curious, no doubt more updated info is knocking about now. Of course theres always some room for correction im sure, but I thought these leads were important to know .
With regard to the mobile apps in general , I dont own a smart mobile but my partner does, and for an example of how this is altering our daily lives, the other day when I hiked to a hot spring I had to later ask to add an app on the phone just to pay for the parking at the site as they've just put up cameras at the car park. Another example for city parking in the capital its all about - download the app. The only local shop down the road with the petrol pump wont accept cash anymore and the local pool wont accept cash either.Bit by bit , little by little card only transactions and smart apps are dominating here. And I know for some there is the quick convenience with these things but ... you know , I 'm not buying it.
Some of the footage from Kabul airport is proper crazy. A few examples on this Indian journalist' twitter account:
https://twitter.com/sudhirchaudhary
The south vietnamese fought for like 5 years after the US implemented 'Vietnamisation' from 1969 and fought pretty much to the end...the afghans didnt even fight at all.
Mmmmm....support from a 7410 mile distance ->
https://twitter.com/USEmbassyKabul/status/1400060130243362816?s=1
Lawyer in UK, represented one of those isis fighters who returned to the UK ->
https://twitter.com/mohammedakunjee/status/1426977050062172164
NATO's aim was for women to make up 10% of the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) by 2020...
Whoever kicked off resurrecting that LGBT tweet from two months ago clearly only had conservative opportunistic shit-stirring on their mind. It has no serious relevance to what is happening on the ground right now, and the people digging it up, one can be pretty sure, don't give a flying fuck about the welfare of the Afghan citizens abandoned to their lot.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 16, 2021, 02:02:45 PM
Whoever kicked off resurrecting that LGBT tweet from two months ago clearly only had conservative opportunistic shit-stirring on their mind. It has no serious relevance to what is happening on the ground right now, and the people digging it up, one can be pretty sure, don't give a flying fuck about the welfare of the Afghan citizens abandoned to their lot.
Regardless of the redirection, I think it shows how out of touch with Afghanistan the US was..or whoever was at the embassy.
The US has been out of touch with the Muslim world ever since it's been in touch with it. Using that undeniable fact to score points for a hard-line conservative agenda, that actually shares the same moral compass as the Taliban, albeit without using it to go quite so far in terms of punishment, that's not something that should be misunderstood or given attention at the moment. Misdirection rather than just redirection.
Just have a look at some of the quote retweets of it from the last 24 hours. One from Don Jr. for example:
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1427090284626722821
Sure, what's happening now in Afghanistan is the result of the two minutes it took to post a tweet a couple of months ago. Misdirection, pure and simple.
And just in case it needs to be reminded, Trump was the one promising the earlier withdrawal from Afghanistan during the campaign trail. Think Republicans would have made sure everything was fine and dandy before leaving? Nah.
The Americans made one big fuck of Afghanistan. They have been talking about withdrawing for years and no way it was ever going to go smoothly. Those scenes from the airport are shocking stuff.
God Bless America and the War on Terror. Remind me again why they went into Afghanistan in the first place?
I wish I had never seen any of those videos. Fucking depressing.
Oh stop with the 'sure Trump wouldn't have done any better'. No, probably not, but sure you're arguing with yourself. Caligulas legions fighting with the lapping waves!
The CIA produced the conditions for the Soviet invasion on 1979 (give them a Vietnam), and the depopulation phase of that war led to huge numbers of refugees into Pakistan, and thousands of young Pashtun orphans educated in fundamentalist Islamic schools. The fruits of which became the Taliban. Whose Da's and uncles the Americans gave stinger SAMS to. Proxy war cuntery, and the 'natives' be damned. It's enough to make you sick. American foreign policy has gotten worse since the demise of the USSR, and that's an achievement.
These poor bastards waking up to the Taliban back in black, they'd nearly envy John Haitian at this stage.
Fucking disgraceful from America. But totally predictable.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 16, 2021, 04:44:28 PM
Oh stop with the 'sure Trump wouldn't have done any better'. No, probably not, but sure you're arguing with yourself.
I was "replying" to Don Jr. (who I quoted) and all the others making attempts to blame what's happening on the "woke" Democrat agenda, as per the tweet Butcher pasted. Keep your knickers on, and follow the context.
Clever Taliban, wait twenty years, then march back in to take over the entire country without having to fire more than a couple of shots, and not having to worry about Dostum and his Northwern Alliance either.
I'd say India is seriously pissed off too, all those billions pumped in to try and minimise Pakistani influence, and for what? Outmaneuvered by the ISI at every step. Kashmir's going to be even more of a tinderbox than ever.
The context? Stay away from bullshitters like him on Twitter (the glorious release of deleting that app) and I'm confident the 'context' will become clearer to you and everybody else.
Saw a video earlier of two bodies falling from one of the planes. Grim stuff.
America does have the strongest pull out game of 2021 though. Hats off.
Is this the Taliban thread now?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/08/16/scared-raped-killed-afghanistans-female-soldiers-fear-lives/
I thought this one was rather miserable. A lot of the headlines around the situation seem to be focused on the plight of the Afghan women, which is not surprising.
I guess the lesson for the US and their allies is that the world-building lark isn't as easy as they thought and all the "progress" they thought they'd made in 20 years was so easily undone it's shocking.
They made a lot of shareholders very happy in that time, as they did in Iraq. That's the lesson they've learnt, and the game they've perfected.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 16, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
They made a lot of shareholders very happy in that time, as they did in Iraq. That's the lesson they've learnt, and the game they've perfected.
Aye. Invent the war. Pummel with bombs. Make all the money rebuilding and then fuck off. I just saw one of those videos from the airport. Horrific. To be that desperate to get out.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 16, 2021, 03:28:53 PM
Just have a look at some of the quote retweets of it from the last 24 hours. One from Don Jr. for example:
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1427090284626722821
Sure, what's happening now in Afghanistan is the result of the two minutes it took to post a tweet a couple of months ago. Misdirection, pure and simple.
And just in case it needs to be reminded, Trump was the one promising the earlier withdrawal from Afghanistan during the campaign trail. Think Republicans would have made sure everything was fine and dandy before leaving? Nah.
I've no doubt that the foolish tweet is being used by conservatives for their own means. It doesn't remove the foolishness from the tweet itself regardless of the propaganda plays (and obviously you see those plays as way more important and that's a very fair point). I see the the GOP removed the page from its website praising Trump's plans to exit Afghanistan. I can fully departmentalise all the actors at play here and I'm not swayed by democrats/republicans nonsense as Afghanistan was doomed to fail, Americans didn't bother to learn any lessons from Soviet Russia, maybe the military is not the best vehicle for "nation building".
I was hoping for some modern day Marshall Plans during those 20 years for some sort of different take but it never happened...I guess the US thought all it needed was a little more time for the magic democracy fairies to sprinkle more dust among all the cultural and religious factions.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 16, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
They made a lot of shareholders very happy in that time, as they did in Iraq. That's the lesson they've learnt, and the game they've perfected.
Yep that's it in a nutshell and it's fucking sick.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 16, 2021, 10:01:15 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 16, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
They made a lot of shareholders very happy in that time, as they did in Iraq. That's the lesson they've learnt, and the game they've perfected.
Aye. Invent the war. Pummel with bombs. Make all the money rebuilding and then fuck off. I just saw one of those videos from the airport. Horrific. To be that desperate to get out.
Those videos are disturbing and the blame lies firmly at the feet of the US liberating other countries as an ideology, rather than Biden or Trump, although they are both still cunts of the highest order.
90% of the time petitions seem to be a waste of everybody's time but to see people talking about petitioning for better treatment of women in Afghanistan has to be some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Those people are fully at the mercy of the Taliban now. It's incredibly sad just how unreachable they are.
Also, I imagine a lot of drastic decisions will be made in the coming days, weeks and months as the excitement of the 'win' and the new regime runs its course. America and the brits really fucked that entire country.
On the positive side, Israel must be delighted.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 16, 2021, 10:32:53 PM
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 16, 2021, 10:01:15 PM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 16, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
They made a lot of shareholders very happy in that time, as they did in Iraq. That's the lesson they've learnt, and the game they've perfected.
Aye. Invent the war. Pummel with bombs. Make all the money rebuilding and then fuck off. I just saw one of those videos from the airport. Horrific. To be that desperate to get out.
Those videos are disturbing and the blame lies firmly at the feet of the US liberating other countries as an ideology, rather than Biden or Trump, although they are both still cunts of the highest order.
Didn't learn lessons from Soviets/Vietnam. Pre 9/11 the taliban didn't control all of Afghanistan, it was in a civil war but now they do and are better armed with all the US gear, so they left it in a worse condition.
Poor old DT isn't allowed on Twitter but the Taliban are. What a time to be alive!?
CIA backed Taliban. Geddit right lawd....
What does anyone think of the possibility that the yanks might go back in with the shock and awe? The war crowd haven't had much of a look in since covid
Quote from: open face surgery on August 18, 2021, 06:22:35 PM
Poor old DT isn't allowed on Twitter but the Taliban are. What a time to be alive!?
Just wait til someone asks the Taliban whether that NZ weightlifter is a man or a woman.
Interesting video ->
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/p6u3i7/seems_obvious_at_this_point_why_the_taliban_were/
Huge f**kup this whole situation ->
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1427817274275155970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427817274275155970%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
I do wonder why the US didn't do what they did with the Iraqis and ISIS and negotiate from a position of strength.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-allowed-back-on-twitter-after-being-hired-as-taliban-spokesman
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on August 19, 2021, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: open face surgery on August 18, 2021, 06:22:35 PM
Poor old DT isn't allowed on Twitter but the Taliban are. What a time to be alive!?
Just wait til someone asks the Taliban whether that NZ weightlifter is a man or a woman.
:laugh:
Short doc here from Australian network ABC, about the law suit being filed against Fox and three of its hosts, by SmartMatic and Dominion, for their role in propagandizing the "stolen election" narrative on the basis of zero evidence and wilful ignorance of basic facts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWJhqOPe6rw
Footage from an Ohio Trump rally in June of this year feels 100% like a thousands strong cult meeting. I didn't really realize to what extent Trump was still pushing exactly the same narrative.
I watched that on telly last night. Mad stuff. Fox are looking at a bill of over $4 billion of these lawsuits are successful.
Why is Trump still doing rallies? Is it cos he's gonna run again or is he just acting the maggot?
He's talking about running again, yep. But who knows, he does love all and any attention so it might just be a bit of masturbation.
Ya, it's bizarre.
This senile auld duffer Biden is a downgrade, and by a distance, no matter your opinion of Trump.
Biden's not as much of a loose cannon and won't do as much harm to the illusion of democracy that has held the fabric of US society together for over two centuries. And if Trump had been up for undermining that illusion for anything other than the sake of his bloated ego, or even in anything resembling a factual manner, I could have been down with that, to some extent. Biden is the institution, a normal face that represents perfectly everything that is wrong with the US. Trump was an absolute mockery of the same, but unfortunately people took him seriously rather than as tragic satire.
That's true to an extent.
It's undeniable however that Biden is deep into his dotage and is unable as much a liar as Trump ever was. 'Dubya' used to get mocked mercilessly for his occasional gaffes and lack of eloquence, but this lad is on another level, he can barely read a teleprompter and garbles nonsense you'd expect from a dementia sufferer. Fox News give him both barrels every day, the lamestream channels and outlets pretend he's grand (I recognise the reverse was true with Trump), but looking at his press conferences, flip flopping and going back on his word, he'll be remembered in a very poor light.
I still love DJT though, the man is box office :)
If Biden's remembered at all, I reckon it'll be as a detail in both the general Trump shitshow and the end of the Afghanistan occupation, unless something really huge, bad or good, happens over the next couple of years which can be hung directly on him. Otherwise I think his fate is to be a future basically unremembered president, like Gerald Ford, who coincidentally presided over the end of the Vietnam war.
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 31, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
Why is Trump still doing rallies? Is it cos he's gonna run again or is he just acting the maggot?
Need people to buy pens/mugs/pillows etc. The grift never ends.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 31, 2021, 04:51:22 PM
That's true to an extent.
It's undeniable however that Biden is deep into his dotage and is unable as much a liar as Trump ever was. 'Dubya' used to get mocked mercilessly for his occasional gaffes and lack of eloquence, but this lad is on another level, he can barely read a teleprompter and garbles nonsense you'd expect from a dementia sufferer. Fox News give him both barrels every day, the lamestream channels and outlets pretend he's grand (I recognise the reverse was true with Trump), but looking at his press conferences, flip flopping and going back on his word, he'll be remembered in a very poor light.
His handling of the withdrawal is ineptitude of epic proportions. Handling of Covid far better than Trump who has a lot to answer for politicising a pandemic into a liberal vs conservative battle. It just shows how fucked America is when they were the two candidates for election. And yes DTJ is a car crash that keeps on giving.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 31, 2021, 05:01:10 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 31, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
Why is Trump still doing rallies? Is it cos he's gonna run again or is he just acting the maggot?
Need people to buy pens/mugs/pillows etc. The grift never ends.
The Republicans wouldn't put him forward again, surely? Would they?
Love him or loathe him, he is still immensely popular, and he has his virtues as well as his vices. Ted Cruz pisses the left off brilliantly (not a reason in and of itself to run him but still), but he is nowhere near as 'money' as Donald Trump is.
Ron Paul is the only American politician who doesn't talk absolute pish and bollocks who has run in the last 20 years, but it seems he's just too reasonable for his own party and too much of a 'war criminal apologist' (he condemned, rightly, the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 and got dogs abuse for it) for the Dems. He must be Bidens age now at this stage. Oh well.
Are the current crop any worse than W or Klinton? Warmongering, bullshitting, immoral pair of pricks, and now they are being paraded as wise old heads in these 'troubled' times. I dunno lads, maybe Chris and his mates in the Anarcho-Communist squat have it right.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 31, 2021, 05:01:10 PM
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 31, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
Why is Trump still doing rallies? Is it cos he's gonna run again or is he just acting the maggot?
Need people to buy pens/mugs/pillows etc. The grift never ends.
Where did you get that word "Grift" from? Asking for my friend who doesn't exist..
Trump is a cunt. Anyone who doesn't believe that is as deluded as the lads who believe Biden will be different.
Big Donnie ❤️ is still President I see...
https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1439959502112100355?s=20
lol - shit day for Zuckerberg: a whistleblower in the morning (albeit one apparently stating only the mind-numbingly obvious truism that FB places "profit above the public good") and now a global, all-platform outage in the afternoon!
Funnily enough that whistleblower is playing right into the hands of stronger internet censorship. A useful idiot of sorts
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 04, 2021, 06:02:18 PM
lol - shit day for Zuckerberg: a whistleblower in the morning (albeit one apparently stating only the mind-numbingly obvious truism that FB places "profit above the public good") and now a global, all-platform outage in the afternoon!
How many servers got scrubbed in the "outage" yesterday.
So, this is 'Patriot Purge'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBLHDDtk46c
Funny the trailer ends with Battle Hymn of the Republic, the song Seth roars in its KKK form as he's driving his truck in American History X.
I haven't been following developments, so didn't realize the idea of a "false flag" operation was still being pushed. So, which is it? It was exclusively Trump supporters and nothing of consequence happened on January 6th? Or something of consequence did happen but it was a false flag operation??
What's your point about the song? Martin Luther King used it widely, WW2 commemorations of the dead etc etc etc.
Oh yeah, you don't have one apart from a dumb observation that a fictional character sang some racist shite to what happened to be the same TUNE.
What a load of fucking bullshit.
Haha, it's just the association I happen to have in my head on the rare times I ever hear that song, I'd imagine lots of other people who've seen the film more than a couple of times also. It's a pretty memorable scene in a pretty memorable movie.
At any rate, Patriot Purge is probably bullshit for the most part, but CNN, MSNBC shitting the bed is great entertainment.
Ya, that's a reach Chris. It's literally Glory Glory Hallelujah.
No matter what the context, whenever I hear that song or even just the tune, I see big fat Seth slamming the dashboard of his pick-up and bellowing, "the white man marches on!" That's just effective cinema for ya. Sure, the context above also just happened to be a bunch of 'patriotic' mooks (Tucker Carlson the biggest of them) appropriating the music to help them push bullshit, but I would have thought of Seth even if it had been a trailer for a film about MLK. Ah, good old Seth.
The rage is hard with this one... :abbath:
Tucker Carlson is the greatest wind-up merchant in history. Highly entertaining for the likes of me, but if you read Foucault or are a self-hating white 'liberal', he's spawn of the quare fella. Fantastic :)
'Appropriating the music to help them push bullshit'
Amazing
The quare fella and his spawn are associated with ruse and cunning. Carlson is a blunt instrument for blunt spirits.
He's happy in his work. No better fella to put a smile on your face.
Those ghouls on the establishment media over in the states, on the other hand. Even if you agreed with them ( and they just make it up for the most part) would you be arsed watching it? No craic out of the cunts on top of being total bullshitters.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 30, 2021, 04:19:23 PM
would you be arsed watching it?
No. And I highly recommend not watching it. Because even if you're just watching it to get a (very) "simple pleasure" out of watching them lose their shit, it's all unspeakably awful. All US news, including or maybe even especially less mainstream stuff like The Young Turks and whatever other bollocks, left or right of the spectrum, it just makes people thick. Sure just look at the US; thick.
Some very interesting developments on the Russian Collusion conspiracy.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 30, 2021, 04:10:28 PM
The quare fella and his spawn are associated with ruse and cunning. Carlson is a blunt instrument for blunt spirits.
Tuckie is gold... :laugh:
Tucker Carlson: "A rapist called Joseph Rosenbaum was released from a mental hospital and then went directly to join the mob that was burning downtown Kenosha...
..Rosenbaum died as he had lived, trying to touch an unwilling minor."Shah nah nah nah, Pedo. 👌🏻
The BBC are unsure of who to condemn in harsher terms, the Minsk regime being egged on by the Russians for pissing off the EU, or the Poles for being white supremacists and summoning the ice to murder desperate Afghans. It's making for some highly incoherent reporting, but sure they wrote the book on that.
Live rounds please Poland... :abbath:
Watched that documentary on the iPlayer about the seige in the capital building back in January. Crazy stuff, surprised there wasn't more dead.
I see your boys Don and Tucker are really going deep throat replete with ball fondling on aul Vlad at the moment Kev:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496555399499157516
That video only features TC and he didn't endorse him or 'deep throat's him or in any way. I don't get it?
That clip seems to me to call on Americans to question what's being fed to them by the media and the government's skewed priorities.
Hardly anything to get dramatic about.
I'll leave you find yourself where Don praises Putin for his "savvy" tactic in declaring the independence of territories behind sovereign lines, and where Tucker describes Ukraine, a country which has had five presidential elections in the time Putin has been leading Russia, as "not a democracy."
And if that video wasn't deemed to be endorsing Russia, it wouldn't have been relayed on Russia Today now, would it? So, if you don't see how it's an endorsement, that's your thing. They clearly do.
I'm not disagreeing with your points per se, but you are overstating your case.
Because I used willy imagery? Must be because it's hard to watch things like this without thinking "What an absolute cock!" every 10 seconds:
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496668655727349763
"Ukraine isn't a democracy. It's a State Department client state."
The year is 1939, Hitler has annexed Czechoslavakia and is in the process of invading Poland. Tucker Carlson is on the radio telling you the real enemy is Roosevelt.
Fuck, everything is split along the same lines these days.
What we need is something to bring us all together. Alien invasion anyone?
The Hitler comparisons are reactionary at best. Besides, he isn't remembered for annexing Czechoslovakia, however wrong that might have been, its an irrelevance compared to what came later.
There are two sides to every story, Russian concerns might seem unpalatable to you or I, (I think the west is the best) but they see NATO expansion etc, justifiably, as a threat to them.
Didn't TC say Ukraine wasn't a democracy because the government imprisons dissidents and doesn't allow contararians on TV etc? Doesn't negate it's 'democracy' (as if that is one Nirvana state for societies) as such, but it certainly goes against the values of the car phone warehouse that Biden and his sycophants are championing.
Anthony Blinken going on about flouting international law etc considering Libya, Iraq and Kosovo having been as bad or worse....How he keeps a straight face is a mystery.
Russia on tour so. Who's next. Latvia? Putin will keep taking until he's stood up to. Like any bully really.
Latvia is in NATO.
So, there's that...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 24, 2022, 11:44:44 AM
The Hitler comparisons are reactionary at best.
I'm not so much comparing Putin to Hitler, as I am Tucker to the likes of Robert Henry Best and Lord Haw-Haw ;)
I believe the point he's making is that Americans, in his view, should be more concerned with domestic concerns than those of Russia and Ukraine. He's hardly 'Germany calling, Germany calling'.
I get that you hate him, and think he's a Putin lover, but I don't think he has a dog in the flight, it's rather a tool for his own agenda.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 24, 2022, 12:33:18 PM
I believe the point he's making is that Americans, in his view, should be more concerned with domestic concerns than those of Russia and Ukraine.
That is what he is saying, but it is his actual point about as much as the point of Animal Farm is just to tell a purely fictional story about pigs staging an agricultural revolution.
A propaganda war is in full swing, don't stay naïve to it. And just to let you know I'm aware of both sides of it, here's the US Embassy in Kiev the other day apparently goading Moscow. The "subtle" art of dip-shit-lomacy.
https://twitter.com/USEmbassyKyiv/status/1496115593149358081
So what's his point then, in your view?
Gazprom and the largest 2 banks are down between 35 and 50 percent in value since this morning. Russian stocks being dumped everywhere. So the sanctions should be directed to pummel the Russian economy. And bring a trade ban with Russia. Won't happen though, they don't have the balls to do it.
All made possible because the dollar is the global reserve currency. China will offer itself as a haven for Russia it this proliferates, and gleefully so.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on February 24, 2022, 01:09:00 PM
So what's his point then, in your view?
At the very least, his point can be summed up by "better to be a Russian than a Democrat." To what extent there may or may not be direct or indirect collusion going on with Moscow is anyone's guess, but given modern US history, making Russia seem less dangerous to American citizens than Democrats is a political nuclear weapon. And anything and everything is apparently allowed in order to communicate that message, including just making stuff up about a sovereign democracy, like that it's not one and is led by a, quote, "tyrant."
See, it's not just saying, "this is their thing, leave them to it." It's also pointedly directing discourse away from all of the now decades long narrative about spreading and protecting democracy overseas, which used to be as much a Republican as a Democrat slogan. By lying about the Ukraine not being a democracy, well, now we don't have to protect them against an autocratic neighbour. But if they are a democracy, then it just doesn't make sense that "we" (the US) wouldn't want to protect them.
Tucker Carlson, Fox News, Donald Trump, and the entire element of the Republican party who think like them, morally identify more with Putin's Russia than they do with Biden's USA. And they want to get the entire working class, who they couldn't actually give a shit about, on their side against the Democrats, even if that means perverting the very same discourse that was used to get the very same demographic on board for wars in the recent past. And nobody is loving all of this more than Putin himself, naturally. Will he be willing to compensate such services? As I said above, it's anyone's guess as to whether that has already happened or may yet happen. But he's certainly being well served by them, even if only as a collateral effect of an internal US conservative versus liberals culture war. I think it would be naïve to presume that's the case, but I've no evidence to say it definitely isn't either.
Yup there's nothing that can't be tainted by the American-style left/right politics. Regarding the Ukranian situation in itself I haven't a clue but I bet the misinformation from all sides will be something to behold the longer it goes on. That part will be interesting in itself.
Couldn't keep into the Trump thread without a nod to fake news.
Currently there is an anti war March in support of Ukraine in Putin's home town of St. Petersburg. All over Twitter. Will Putin crack down hard or could this actually be the beginning of a backlash from within.
"Covid's over. What'll we do next to fuck with the masses heads? Oh yes.... here ya go..." ;D
So Hunter Biden's laptop was real now.
Twitter bans right wingers. The blue tick crew: "It's a private company, freedom of speech rules don't apply to it. It can do what it wants!"
Elon Musk buys 10% of it's stock. The blue tick crew: "He's threatening our freedom of speech! This should not happen!"
Leading the charge against Musk? The Washington Post. Owned by Bezos.
And the New York Times, which sends articles to the White House for approval before release.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 24, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
A propaganda war is in full swing, don't stay naïve to it. And just to let you know I'm aware of both sides of it, here's the US Embassy in Kiev the other day apparently goading Moscow. The "subtle" art of dip-shit-lomacy.
https://twitter.com/USEmbassyKyiv/status/1496115593149358081
Wow, it's like something the soccer clubs would do before a champions league game.
So, looks like Musk owns Twitter now.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 25, 2022, 04:45:32 PM
So, looks like Musk owns Twitter now.
Jaysus. 43 billion for the cesspit of humanity. Sounds about right.
Trump will be back within the fortnight :)
Getting a good head start on controlling media on Mars
https://twitter.com/ReutersPitchbot/status/1518670928732897280
This is worrying. It's pretty vague about what constituts disinformation and who the final say so falls to.
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/06/11/electoral-commission-to-have-powers-to-confront-social-media-outlets/ (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/06/11/electoral-commission-to-have-powers-to-confront-social-media-outlets/)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 25, 2022, 10:47:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ReutersPitchbot/status/1518670928732897280
I really fail to see what the fuss is about with any of that. Is it something to do with his political views?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVmDA2pWYAM1WjF?format=jpg&name=small)
What was he supposed to do, stay lying there?
:laugh:
Using this as the US thread.
Keep hearing about juneteenth and thus far I've managed to avoid finding out what it is. I wonder how long before I find out without wanting to know
It's about emancipation, and it's old, very old. Increased consumption of US news media of various sorts means we're hearing about stuff recently that we didn't back in the days of RTE 1 and Network 2.
I saw someone say that any money made last holiday weekend in the US should be donated back into black charities. Such a skewed and ridiculous statement.
Fuckin US politics is everywhere. Now they have zelensky giving a video address at Glastonbury
Quote from: astfgyl on June 24, 2022, 03:23:27 PM
Fuckin US politics is everywhere. Now they have zelensky giving a video address at Glastonbury
Probably the best act playing at Glastonbury this year, then.
I haven't seen the lineup but it must be spectacularly bad if that's the case!
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on June 24, 2022, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 24, 2022, 03:23:27 PM
Fuckin US politics is everywhere. Now they have zelensky giving a video address at Glastonbury
Probably the best act playing at Glastonbury this year, then.
Raging I didn't get over for it now, Greta Thunberg is playing today on the pyramid stage and all
Just one of several mental things Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide present on Jan 6th in the president's motorcade, is testifying to:
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1541843716750680064
It is testimony and little more, but the whole thing is looking pretty grim for Trump. Good thing his supporters couldn't give a flying fuck I guess!
Quote from: astfgyl on June 24, 2022, 03:23:27 PM
Fuckin US politics is everywhere. Now they have zelensky giving a video address at Glastonbury
Don't forget the state of the union address to the supreme court given by Lily Allen (where did they dig her out of??) and Olivia Rodrigo.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 28, 2022, 07:30:40 PM
Just one of several mental things Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide present on Jan 6th in the president's motorcade, is testifying to:
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1541843716750680064
It is testimony and little more, but the whole thing is looking pretty grim for Trump. Good thing his supporters couldn't give a flying fuck I guess!
I think it's hilarious that this is pressing ahead at all. Look at the rhetoric from the democrats over BLM and now the Roe v Wade decision and yet they're crying over basically nothing happening on 6th Jan. It's laughable really as one sides as bad as the other in every way and more than showing up one party or the other it shows up the whole godforsaken place.
Was reading some sergeant at arms in charge of some element of security died or was killed today, and the theories are flowing.
Quote from: leatherface on June 28, 2022, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 24, 2022, 03:23:27 PM
Fuckin US politics is everywhere. Now they have zelensky giving a video address at Glastonbury
Don't forget the state of the union address to the supreme court given by Lily Allen (where did they dig her out of??) and Olivia Rodrigo.
Wtf I didn't hear about that at all. God have we reached peak bullshit yet or can we sink yet farther?
Why is that an issue? Seems most stars made a point of bringing it up at Glastonbury. Don't know the Rodrigo girl but always liked Lily Allen and liked the video.
If people need the likes of lily Allen to give them a state of the Union address then the Union is in a terrible state.
Speaking of terrible states did anyone see the way the place was left in after all that virtue signalling? That's the great part of virtue though, you only have to signal it rather than do the hard stuff like tidying up after yourself and whatnot.
I just despise the whole celebrity culture so maybe I'm not the best judge..
Quote from: open face surgery on June 28, 2022, 08:59:16 PM
Why is that an issue? Seems most stars made a point of bringing it up at Glastonbury. Don't know the Rodrigo girl but always liked Lily Allen and liked the video.
Not an issue per se (and not a critique of any of the aforementioned artists) but it's a music festival, music is the focus. Lolapallooza had politics associated with it but it was off stage, charities/organizations etc. You could say Live Aid was cheesy but it had one purpose, not 'political trend of the week' on stage every other moment.
Here while we're using this as the US thread, I see Ghislaine Maxwell got only 20 years. Bit fuckin lenient for her crimes.
Anyone think we'll ever see the address book? I think not
Suicided. Soon.
If they were male artists I might understand your point about Glastonbury a little better, but they're not. For a majority of women, this is not "political trend of the week" but a genuinely visceral and existential issue, whether one agrees with that majority's opinion or not.
Absolutely.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 28, 2022, 09:04:00 PM
If people need the likes of lily Allen to give them a state of the Union address then the Union is in a terrible state.
Speaking of terrible states did anyone see the way the place was left in after all that virtue signalling? That's the great part of virtue though, you only have to signal it rather than do the hard stuff like tidying up after yourself and whatnot.
I just despise the whole celebrity culture so maybe I'm not the best judge..
There's only one State of the World Address, MOTHERFUCKERS!
Remember when Boris Johnson was a Nazi?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61976526
Hahaha, cringe!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 28, 2022, 11:20:20 PM
If they were male artists I might understand your point about Glastonbury a little better, but they're not. For a majority of women, this is not "political trend of the week" but a genuinely visceral and existential issue, whether one agrees with that majority's opinion or not.
I'm staying well out of that minefield other than to say I'm supportive of bodily autonomy whether I like it or not.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 28, 2022, 09:30:42 PM
Here while we're using this as the US thread, I see Ghislaine Maxwell got only 20 years. Bit fuckin lenient for her crimes.
Anyone think we'll ever see the address book? I think not
Of course not everything was done during the trial to keep anything that was said during it from getting out into the public. Several Twitter accounts that were posting updates during the trail kept getting banned. But not to worry we got the in depth coverage where it mattered on the Johnny Depp trial.
Maxwells sister who works for the World Economic Forum was also seen outside the courthouse on several occasions taking pictures trying to intimidate the few journalists that did try to cover what was going on.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 29, 2022, 02:33:22 AM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 28, 2022, 09:04:00 PM
If people need the likes of lily Allen to give them a state of the Union address then the Union is in a terrible state.
Speaking of terrible states did anyone see the way the place was left in after all that virtue signalling? That's the great part of virtue though, you only have to signal it rather than do the hard stuff like tidying up after yourself and whatnot.
I just despise the whole celebrity culture so maybe I'm not the best judge..
There's only one State of the World Address, MOTHERFUCKERS!
:abbath:
Quote from: mickO))) on June 29, 2022, 03:19:51 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 28, 2022, 09:30:42 PM
Here while we're using this as the US thread, I see Ghislaine Maxwell got only 20 years. Bit fuckin lenient for her crimes.
Anyone think we'll ever see the address book? I think not
Of course not everything was done during the trial to keep anything that was said during it from getting out into the public. Several Twitter accounts that were posting updates during the trail kept getting banned. But not to worry we got the in depth coverage where it mattered on the Johnny Depp trial.
Maxwells sister who works for the World Economic Forum was also seen outside the courthouse on several occasions taking pictures trying to intimidate the few journalists that did try to cover what was going on.
I was following inner city press for the updates but he was barred from the court and there was another account which I lost track of after about the 5th Twitter ban. Amazing how little coverage there was/is of the whole thing.
I wonder what odds Paddy Power is giving on her killing herself
Back to Trump, it's looking like the steering wheel grab was bullshit along with several other things like removing metal detectors and stuff
The January 6th thing, those mongs on the news over there comparing it to Pearl Harbour etc. Laughable nonsense.
As for the Trump stuff, they'd be forced to report real news if they hadn't got him to complain/make things up about.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 29, 2022, 04:42:16 PM
Back to Trump, it's looking like the steering wheel grab was bullshit along with several other things like removing metal detectors and stuff
We'll have to wait and see who'll actually go on oath (not just say they're "prepared to") to testify against this account. For whatever reason, Trump seems to be running out of friends in his former closest circles, though he still has plenty outside of that.
That's a fair point, it means f all unless they get up and testify. The steering wheel thing sounded ridiculous from the off to me but we'll have to wait and see. The whole Jan 6 uproar is and was a load of shite is my gut feeling. I get it could possibly have turned out bad but it didn't apart from that Trump supporter who got shot and the media aren't exactly mourning her either. They should move on but I doubt they will anytime soon.
You've heard of Guy Fawkes, right? The gunpowder plot, yeah? That could possibly have turned out bad but it didn't (except for Guy himself). In terms of what counts as treason, insurrection, etc., the failed January 6th events are pretty comparable to the failed gunpowder plot... which happened four fucking centuries ago and we still haven't moved on from that.
Most people have no idea of the historical context of the gunpowder plot, outside of a rhyming couplet and fireworks in early November.
Attempting to assassinate the entire Stuart royal family and parliament is not comparable to what happened in Washington DC. To state otherwise is a symptom of brainwashing by media or simple ignorance.
Most people have no idea of the legal and political implications of January 6th either. That was sort of my point. We have a lot of people saying that "nothing happened" on January 6th who don't understand how serious a thing it is, in a so-called democracy, for the exiting president to A) claim his electoral loss was a charade, B) incite his supporters to storm the Capitol in protest, C) toss his supporters his former vice-president because Pence stopped playing along with Trump's tantrum. If these are true (recalling that A is not even contested, nor is it even an exhaustive list of Trump's bullshit, to which we could add conning his own supporters out of millions to "fund" his stolen vote campaign), then in the framework of a democracy, as opposed to a monarchy, I think it is comparable. Trump's actions and words following the election were an absolute "fuck you" to the central tenets of the US democratic system. Guy Fawkes probably even had more magnanimous motivation than Trump too, who really was (even if we disregard the latest testimonies) acting like the spoilt brat rich kid that he is for purely selfish reasons.
I signed up during the american election to a republican mailing list just to see what they send out. The level of aggression in their emails is something to behold. "Why aren't you fighting for democracy" bullshit. And grifts. So much grifting.
That is more commitment to getting outside one's echo chamber than I would be up for, haha... that's really taking one for the team like :laugh: :laugh:
Do any of ye lads think that the democrats are any better? You're deluded if you do.
Still reckon the Jan 6 was a load of nothing. Silly from Trump but that's about it.
Guy Fawkes was a Catholic 'hard-liner' who wanted to eliminate the solidly if not-that-pushed-either way Protestant James Stuart. Funny to think that the even more Romantic James Graham would try to keep his son on the throne, and the impeccably Catholic Bonnie Prince Charlie was his descendant, but that's by the by.
Regarding comparisons, the media you are consuming or trust is blowing it out of all proportion (darkest day in the history of the US blah blah), harping on and on about it in an attempt to reanimate the corpse of a story most people couldn't give a shit about. The other side are playing it down, clearly, but these spas comparing it to Pearl Harbour? 9/11? Ah yer messing now.
There's as much shite concocted about Trump as came out of his mouth, and while you made a few reasonable points, I still don't see the comparison to the Gunpowder Plot, as the latter was an attempt to annihilate the King, his family and the entire House of Commons. The Trump thing was nothing of the sort, and the minutiae are still disputed.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 30, 2022, 12:39:15 PM
Do any of ye lads think that the democrats are any better? You're deluded if you do.
It's helpful to know when to approach with a broad or a fine brush: This isn't a case of judging Republicans versus Democrats. It's a case of analyzing the details of a specific event which, as it happens, a certain group of identifiable Republicans were behind. It is true that no group of Democrats has ever been responsible for a similar act (i.e. inciting the storming of the Capitol), but no that doesn't mean the Democrats are "better". The issue isn't at that level of analysis. Back in the 70s, you can be guaranteed there were people trying to say similar things over Nixon and Watergate (clearly a closer comparison than Pearl Harbor or 9/11). Nixon resigned over a wiretap and aiding a break-in of the DNC. Trump refused democratic process, gratuitously deepening an aggressive nationwide civic schism, and incited a public storming of the Capitol. I guess there is some level of subjectivity involved, but the latter certainly seems a more egregious presidential crime to me.
My point about Guy Fawkes is that sometimes it's not the seriousness of what happens that matters, but the seriousness of what was being attempted. How far do you think Trump would have let/incited the rioters to go? Honestly now. At what point, had they not been stopped, would his personal presidential responsibility (lol!) have switched to trying to calm rather than further inflame the situation? This is what is to be determined and judged, not merely what actually happened. Fawkes attempted murder but failed. Do you think Trump was worried that his rioters might end up killing people? Honestly now...
That we've gotten to the point where people don't think it's serious that the president of the greatest military power in the world tried to run off with the football because someone else was chosen to be captain... wtf is going on in your heads!?!? I wouldn't call it the darkest day in US democracy, no, but in my lifetime it is absolutely the most embarrassing and juvenile I've ever seen, and to my mind that is just as serious, because what is needed is maturity and wisdom. That doesn't mean I'm saying Obama or Clinton or Biden have either of those in any particular amount, but at least they didn't spend their time pissing on the very notions of them from a height.
I don't think Trump would have anticipated anyone getting murdered for the own goal it would have been. The broad stroke was about the republican mailing list and how hateful it was but they both play that game was the point there. I get the Guy Fawkes comparison and there's a good point in there and I know Trump was pressuring Pence at the time to do something. I reckon it was more to do with that than actually storming into anywhere as nobody could be so deluded as to think that'd work. I don't support Trump either, I'm trying to take an impassionate look at the clown show that is the US
Embarrassing and juvenile is a good description. It was certainly that.
Edit: I do think Biden is as bad as anything that was ever seen in my lifetime. He hasn't a clue what he's doing and I honestly don't think he's all there at all. Not a Trump endorsement.
Both sides are wacko anyway. But Trump saying the election was rigged was the biggest crock of shit ever. And his shit stirring riled up the crowds before and on that day and his actions led to tbose consequences. Theres nothing worse than a fucking sore loser. You lost. Man the fuck up and admit defeat.
Yeah he lost. No doubt about it. There are some accusations of ballot stuffing and some dodgy looking data dumps etc as well as the dead voters and whatnot but I doubt any of that would be enough or even if it was, that republicans wouldn't be using the same tactics. I'd say they're suffering a certain amount of buyer's remorse with what they've got in Biden (he's pretty much senile) but the only way out of it is another election or the 25th amendment, not Trump getting Pence to refuse to sign off on the results, which Pence insists he could never have done in any case.
Fuck, can you imagine Biden being removed and the job going to Harris?
Back to the Maxwell thing, saw a comment yesterday saying she's the first person ever to be convicted of child trafficking to nobody. Isn't it amazing really that far more isn't being made of her client list. Might be the one thing that brings Democrats and Republicans together!
If we're talking about making mountains out of molehills, Rudy Giuliani got a slightly more aggressive than friendly slap on the back from a random detractor in a shop. The nothingness of the act was caught on camera, yet Giuliani has been saying it "felt like being hit by a boulder", "like getting shot", "he could have killed me." And this is the pathetic prick who, second only to Trump, seems to be most responsible for the lead up to and events on Jan 6th. What a pathetic prick. Him and Trump, just the worst, smallest dickheads of human beings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_oA0t3NaA8
What a pathetic gobshyte of a man.
Remember when Giuliani called the press conference at the Four Seasons about election fraud, but it was Four Seasons Total Landscaping? That was one of the funnier tales from the bitter end of Trump's presidency. What a fuckin eejit
Quote from: astfgyl on July 01, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
Remember when Giuliani called the press conference at the Four Seasons about election fraud, but it was Four Seasons Total Landscaping? That was one of the funnier tales from the bitter end of Trump's presidency. What a fuckin eejit
Aye. Total Benny Hill comedy.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 30, 2022, 01:45:10 PM
Edit: I do think Biden is as bad as anything that was ever seen in my lifetime. He hasn't a clue what he's doing and I honestly don't think he's all there at all. Not a Trump endorsement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGmXGkIr7w0
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 01, 2022, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 30, 2022, 01:45:10 PM
Edit: I do think Biden is as bad as anything that was ever seen in my lifetime. He hasn't a clue what he's doing and I honestly don't think he's all there at all. Not a Trump endorsement.
:laugh: yeah I think that's pretty much what happened there!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGmXGkIr7w0
It's so frustrating reading vice and these other hacks running this hear say shite about 'Trump in the car'. What an absolute farce. Total kangaroo court and classic media manipulation.
This uncorroborated accusation cannot be taken seriously, it's not evidence. Even if it were true, how does this prove he incited an 'insurrection'? This tit Hutchison was so outraged and couldn't possibly live with herself etc etc, she wanted to continue working for him! The defence can't argue it's case, what in the name of good Jaysus is this? Soviet show trials were less transparently unfair. Fucking charade.
Why do you bother reading Vice and the like if it frustrates you so much. I don't look at Fox. I don't read any of them tbh. Couldn't give a toss whether he took over the wheel of the car either. I'll listen or read the entered testimonies and judge for myself then.
There is a video which may yet be subjected to forensic analysis:
https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1542235505047117825
It doesn't prove he incited an insurrection, even if true. But if this is true from Hutchison's testimony, then what of her testimony that he knew his supporters were armed and wanted them to get through anyway? Plus all the rest she's testified to.
Didn't she go work for him at Mar-a-lago after he left office? Anyway, I think it all sounds like bullshit but we shall have to wait and see.
Also, I wouldn't recommended reading the opposite of whatever your views are in the likes of vice or breitbart or whatever because those outlets are so partisan you'll never get anything unbiased from any of them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 02, 2022, 02:32:54 PM
There is a video which may yet be subjected to forensic analysis:
https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1542235505047117825
It doesn't prove he incited an insurrection, even if true. But if this is true from Hutchison's testimony, then what of her testimony that he knew his supporters were armed and wanted them to get through anyway? Plus all the rest she's testified to.
Didn't she say he was in 'the beast', not whatever ladyjeep that is?
Hearsay is not admissible in court, and that's all this is. Hearsay contradicted by the hearsayer. Laughable.
It's not court, it's a hearing. She reported that "Tony" mentioned the beast. Tony may be the one who made the error, perhaps merely a slip of the tongue.
I know it's a hearing, but it has all the hallmarks of a kangaroo court. The point is, she is testifying under oath that Tony said this, and Tony said that which is totally useless and would be inadmissible in court. Even you must have your reservations about their veracity of this guff.
Cheney and Pelosi know they are being made to look more foolish with each passing day, and this BOMBSHELL NEW SURPRISE WITNESS is, putting it politely, a scramble defence.
She is testifying under oath which means that whatever she says is now bounced higher up for someone else to either confirm or deny... under oath. That is not totally useless. Of course I have my reservations about the veracity of what she has testified to being told, as should everyone (of course, the media are being eejits as per usual... but see above re Giuliani, Trump's erstwhile hand chosen right hand man, regarding eejitry in abundance everywhere you fucking look). But the fact she is doing so under oath has much more meaning than you seem to realize. It doesn't mean it's true, but it puts a massive burden on those who were direct witnesses. If it's all just a scramble defense, as you suggest, then the stakes are huge. Who will see and/or raise them?
How often have you heard FBI agents and others get up and lie through there teeth in such hearings? She testified under oath, therefore it's irrefutable evidence as the media claim? That is so unbelievably handicapped.
The hearing itself is a partisan witch-hunt, nigh on a conspiracy. This Hutchison is swearing under oath? Firstly, she can't be cross examined, no counter arguments can be made so therefore the mass manipulation tactics of the left go into overdrive. Even though this BOMBSHELL only comes to light 18 months later from a nobody aide who wasn't even there? And in a car in which it wouldn't have been possible? Oh yeah slip of the tongue/ she misspoke. Ha ha, what a total gimp show.
In any case, what does this 'prove'? Hearsay testimony that he threw his lunch at the wall, he's so angry! He must have 'incited insurrection'.
I mean Jesus fucking Christ (sorry Jesus), give me a break.
It wouldn't have been possible in the Beast, but as you've pointed out, that part is an error. The video seems to show it is in a SUV and that it is evidently possible. Someone is going to have to step up under oath and deny all of this. Not just the car, but most notably also the disregard for armed supporters. You really don't seem to get what's going on. Of course Hutchison could be lying. But is she? Well, let someone with better testimony shit (under oath) or get off the pot. Pretty fucking damn straightforward to do if it's all bullshit: there were identified people in that SUV, coordinating the security checks for weapons, etc., etc., etc. Let's wait and hear from them. That's the point!
I understand perfectly what's going on, but the difference is you seem to consider this hearing as non-partisan and fair (it is neither), and this BOMBSHELL to be relevant or of some importance, which it isn't.
True or false, it's of importance, no? Or even if true, you don't think the weapons thing in particular isn't important?
6 dead and 24 hospitalized after mass shooting during 4th July parade in affluent area of Illinois with a high Jewish population. Shooter said to be between 18-20. Possibility area was targeted because of Jewish population already being considered.
Nowt more American for Independence Day!
Potentially just the first of the day.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 04, 2022, 07:58:01 PM
6 dead and 24 hospitalized after mass shooting during 4th July parade in affluent area of Illinois with a high Jewish population. Shooter said to be between 18-20. Possibility area was targeted because of Jewish population already being considered.
Nowt more American for Independence Day!
Simmer down there with the conspiracy theories. It's an almost entirely white area and he was firing a rifle at a crowd from a rooftop. Even the meanest of intellects could deduce that that would be an idiotic way to shoot up jews or any other group.
Just relaying what was being communicated at the time. The place where it happened introduced a local ban on sale and ownership of assault rifles a while ago. With NRA discourse the way it is, that "bold" move could also have been a motivation. Who fucking knows. It's certainly not a conspiracy theory at this stage in the game to presume, awaiting verification, that the shooter was motivated by one of the common checkbox points young white male mass shooters are generally motivated by, which includes Jews.
Maybe, but what kind of self respecting anti-semite would shoot up a crowd knowing most of his victims would be 'aryans', hoping he might, by pure chance, hit a Jew or two?
Not for me, Jeff.
Anders Breivik killed plenty of white Norwegians yet was a right-wing Islamophobe, whose gripe with Norwegians was that they were brainwashed by cultural Marxism (as per his manifesto). We may have our disagreements Kev, but I'm happy to report that you're not very good at getting inside the head of a psychopath and getting a feel for the kinds of objectively batshit crazy logic they can string together in a way that seems perfectly rational to them. This shooting may have nothing to do with Jews or white supremacy of any kind, but the killing of white people is no reason to presume that.
We'll have to wait and see what the cunt says to the law. There is a tik tok of him which would lead you one question his mental well-being.
Quote from: open face surgery on July 04, 2022, 09:23:18 PM
Potentially just the first of the day.
Reading one article here that mentions there were 11 mass shootings (4 or more people shot or killed, not including the shooter) in the US over the holiday weekend.
Always relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/03/who-are-the-real-insurrectionists-2/
Bit of an example of the pot and kettle that is US politics. That's without picking one or the other, they're both at it. Watch how each side finds a way to spin how that latest shooting by the amateur rapper or whatever he was, was in fact the other side's fault because of their failed policies blah blah blah. I wouldn't take politics as an excuse for the insane
Presuming the weapon he used was legally procured with minimal if not zero background checks, then insofar as any fault can be placed with anyone beyond the perpetrator himself, it's with those who refuse to change the situation that allows a madman access to the capability to fire off dozens of high powered rounds in just a couple of minutes. People would be amazed at just how much of a deterrent hassle is, like the hassle of trying to get a powerful gun if you have to go at it via the black market rather than a local store.
Only way to clean up gun control in thr US is to have it the same as here. But that will never happen. The best you could hope for is you can own a handgun and/or shotgun. You want to fire an assault rifle then off to a gun range. And even that won't happen.
Is it 70 to 80 percent of Americans want him control but republicans will just block it forever. Sure dead kids is ok as long as the campaign donations keep flowing in.
I'm sure both sides will find a reason to blame each other. He has colourful hair after all...
Edit: that's not to say I'm not in favour of gun control. We have very few problems with mass shootings here.
"Both sides will find a reason to blame each other" is a banal truism. As intelligent human beings, we have the capacity, should we choose to employ it, to judge case by case which reasons have most weight and merit.
Anyone see the Pelosi campaign emails that were doing the rounds asking for contributions? She was meanwhile pictured watching racing in Italy from a palace balcony while asking for $15.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CfexJ36uZKx/?hl=en
One of the comments, if it's to be believed:
"What most people also don't know is that many of these emails are sent out by 3rd party affiliates who own the email list and are paid 50%+ of total donations they generate. I've been in political marketing space since 2016 and when I first discovered this I couldn't believe it. Political fundraising is a total scam on both sides."
A minor sin compared to reading out that "poem" by Bono about Ukraine.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 05, 2022, 05:23:08 PM
"Both sides will find a reason to blame each other" is a banal truism. As intelligent human beings, we have the capacity, should we choose to employ it, to judge case by case which reasons have most weight and merit.
"Should we choose to"....
These three tubes came crawling back 😂😂😂
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/crosby-stills-nash-young-joe-rogan-podcast-spotify-return-1721688%3Famp%3D1
As it happens, I went to put on Deja Vu the other day and noticed that, firstly., it was there, and secondly, that Young's tunes on the album are unavailable. I don't think it should be there if it's not the whole thing.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 05, 2022, 04:38:25 PM
Only way to clean up gun control in thr US is to have it the same as here. But that will never happen. The best you could hope for is you can own a handgun and/or shotgun. You want to fire an assault rifle then off to a gun range. And even that won't happen.
Is it 70 to 80 percent of Americans want him control but republicans will just block it forever. Sure dead kids is ok as long as the campaign donations keep flowing in.
'If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim'
A Lt. Col in the marines called Cooper said that. And it's fair enough :)
There is complete logic in that statement, given how far gone they are over there. Which in itself is very scary.
Yes. The shooter hidden on the roof with the AK-47 must fear the families walking by in the parade. If they were all carrying AK-47s too, then maybe only half the number would have been shot before they even figured out where the shots were coming from.
"Good guy with a gun" bullshit.
The logic is undeniable, except to left wing dogmatics. See above.
Explain then, using the Highland Park and Uvalde shootings as examples. The bar it has to pass is showing how it would be a more effective deterrent than not having easy access to automatic assault weapons. Go:
AR-15's are semi-automatic rifles.
Obviously I'm not going to respond to your silly 'go on then'.
The vast majority of gun crime is committed with illegally acquired firearms. Even those pricks at politifact agree.
The only response to attack is immediate and savage counterattack. Cower defencelessly or fight back. It's as simple as that. In that gaff over the way, the state and the criminal subhumans that terrorise the place are armed to the teeth. Take note that illegal firearms outnumber legally held weapons there, so what's a man to do if he intends to defend his family or business? Far fewer of the opportunistic ghouls who looted in the BLM riots would have been as smart if they had a loaded gun stuck in their faces.
Sure go on, defund the polis and disarm the people.
I can see that obviously you're not going to respond using the examples I gave, choosing instead to conjure up a totally different kind of situation. Why? Because the "logic" you're talking about totally falls apart in the face of psychopaths who very often also have suicidal ideations (seems to be the case with Robert Crimo too, who drew pictures of an armed shooter lying dead in a pool of blood surrounded by cops). If someone is fantasizing about a slaughter of randomers which culminates in them getting shot down in what they surely imagine to be a blaze of glory, exactly what use does it do for them to be "afraid" of their intended victim? Zero. Again, your silly insistence on aligning with Republican talking points causes you to lose all grip on reality.
This report is from May. Actual number of mass shootings is above 300 now, but we know Highland Park and Uvalde at least were also committed with legally procured guns. So, stick that in your GOP pipe: "77% of mass shooters obtained the weapons they used in their crimes through legal purchases."
https://thecrimereport.org/2022/05/17/majority-of-mass-shooters-purchased-their-guns-legally/
I'm not disputing that most mass shootings are committed with legally purchased weapons.
The 3651 shooting incidents in Chicago in 2021 alone dwarfs that figure, most of them rival criminal gangs shooting at each other. Felons are not allowed to legally purchase firearms, so you can work the rest out for yourself.
The establishment doesn't give a fuck (I thought black lives mattered?) , even though the figures are mind boggling. You can't account for maniacs, but banning guns? Pissing into the wind and targeting the wrong people entirely.
Very few people are talking about "banning guns". This is just another way for contrarians to sidestep the real issues. People are talking about banning things like assault weapons and enforcing much stricter background checks. But the NRA and, generally speaking, Republicans block any such moves. Robert Crimo had 16 weapons removed from him by the police in 2019 over worries about his mental health. But he had no problem whatsoever legally obtaining the weapon he used to kill 7 people (and counting?) and injure many, many more. That is the talking point. Obviously ordinary people are more worried about random explosions of high-powered psychopathy in places like schools or public parades, etc., than they are worried about gangland shootings. There are gangland shootings in Ireland ffs. It's two totally different sociological spheres and you, and the rest of those who insist on thinking like you, really need to get that into your skulls.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 06, 2022, 09:09:46 AM
I can see that obviously you're not going to respond using the examples I gave, choosing instead to conjure up a totally different kind of situation. Why? Because the "logic" you're talking about totally falls apart in the face of psychopaths who very often also have suicidal ideations (seems to be the case with Robert Crimo too, who drew pictures of an armed shooter lying dead in a pool of blood surrounded by cops). If someone is fantasizing about a slaughter of randomers which culminates in them getting shot down in what they surely imagine to be a blaze of glory, exactly what use does it do for them to be "afraid" of their intended victim? Zero. Again, your silly insistence on aligning with Republican talking points causes you to lose all grip on reality.
Zero? I wouldn't say that.
Your last sentence is, I hope, ironic considering you are as doctrinaire as they come and makes you a very black pot (careful now!) at the auld kettle.
Incidentally I wouldn't accuse you of having lost your grip on reality, but thinking critically and for yourself? Your posts suggest you've buried them utterly.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 06, 2022, 09:38:22 AM
Very few people are talking about "banning guns". This is just another way for contrarians to sidestep the real issues. People are talking about banning things like assault weapons and enforcing much stricter background checks. But the NRA and, generally speaking, Republicans block any such moves. Robert Crimo had 16 weapons removed from him by the police in 2019 over worries about his mental health. But he had no problem whatsoever legally obtaining the weapon he used to kill 7 people (and counting?) and injure many, many more. That is the talking point. Obviously ordinary people are more worried about random explosions of high-powered psychopathy in places like schools or public parades, etc., than they are worried about gangland shootings. There are gangland shootings in Ireland ffs. It's two totally different sociological spheres and you, and the rest of those who insist on thinking like you, really need to get that into your skulls.
So gangland shootings are grand, fuck the plebs, right? I doubt the people who live in those areas align with the 'people are worried about psychopathy etc' or whatever you wrote. Your 'sociological spheres' would be of scant solice.
Lumping both spheres in together and suggesting one and the same solution for both is idiocy of the highest order. That doesn't mean do nothing about one or the other spheres. It means deal with them for what they are: totally different sociological phenomena.
Under normal circumstances you'd send in the cops mob handed to sort out gangland criminal pieces of shit, but sure that's racist now.
For your other sociological sphere (lol, trying to bamboozle me with fancy talk wha'!), well it's hard to account for the mentally deranged. Background checks yes, of course. Raising the minimum age, maybe. The problem is most (not all) of these cunts fly under the radar, are 'Falling Down' types like Charles Starkweather' or that lad who shot up the festival in Las Vegas. What can you do in such cases, apart from react savagely.
The problem, quite clearly, is the kind of weapons people have legal access to. Domestically speaking, it would be interesting to see the stats on how many lives assault weapons have "saved" versus how many they've ended. Because that's what your "logic" hinges on.
So we agree that pistols are fine then?
Only people living in cloud cuckoo land could possibly imagine the US will ever introduce a total ban on personal gun ownership. You deal with the reality that's in front of you, whether or not you think it's "fine".
I have the solution. Guns which shoot a bullet back at you at the same time as shooting at your victim! So simple. It was under our noses all along 8)
Haha, brilliant! Turn the US from a nation of wasps into a nation of bees.
Not a bad history joke there too, if I do say so myself.
The American relationship with guns is almost impossible for anyone this side of the pond to understand. The arguments are not as clear cut as taking or having them. The second amendment was written in a very different time and should probably have been removed centuries ago. It wasn't though and at this point in time it would take generations to create a gun free America. It's not a realistic aim so there is no point in dwelling on it. People in Ireland have psychotic breaks at much the same rate as America but don't have access to an arsenal. The mass shooting problem isn't going anywhere.
3 months after having 16 weapons confiscated by police over mental health concerns following death threats made to his own family, Crimo's own father co-signed a firearm owners ID card which was accepted by the authorities because the family hadn't pressed charges, though the authorities knew about the events. Basic things like this haven't been reformed because of the NRA and their supporters.
Supposing the NRA disbanded today and all legal obstacles to gun control were removed. You're still left with the same basic problem. The country is awash with the bloody things.
How would law enforcement go about removing the guns that are already floating around the place even if assault rifles were entirely banned tomorrow? They'd probably have to use their own guns to do it.
The mass shooting thing seems to be a peculiarly American thing anyway. Even if they were to have gun laws like Ireland where people can get semi automatic rifles with a licence, you'd have someone using those to shoot up crowds of people.
Even the suicide thing is interesting in that 2/3 of gun deaths in the US are suicides, yet here in Ireland where pretty much anyone can get a gun if they want one, hardly anyone shoots themselves vs getting on the end of a rope. It's a weird cultural thing that's hard for us to understand over here but I feel there's more to it than simply being able to have a gun. Saying all that I do think it's some sort of madness to let kids have assault rifles before they're even considered old enough to drink, and there should be cross party cooperation in trying to come up with a solution, but I doubt they'll be doing that.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 06, 2022, 05:25:02 PM
How would law enforcement go about removing the guns that are already floating around the place even if assault rifles were entirely banned tomorrow? They'd probably have to use their own guns to do it.
The mass shooting thing seems to be a peculiarly American thing anyway. Even if they were to have gun laws like Ireland where people can get semi automatic rifles with a licence, you'd have someone using those to shoot up crowds of people.
Even the suicide thing is interesting in that 2/3 of gun deaths in the US are suicides, yet here in Ireland where pretty much anyone can get a gun if they want one, hardly anyone shoots themselves vs getting on the end of a rope. It's a weird cultural thing that's hard for us to understand over here but I feel there's more to it than simply being able to have a gun. Saying all that I do think it's some sort of madness to let kids have assault rifles before they're even considered old enough to drink, and there should be cross party cooperation in trying to come up with a solution, but I doubt they'll be doing that.
First on removing the assault rifles. The only way I see is you ban them. Bring in an amnesty for a few months, minimum sentence for possession of an assault rifle, 10 years or so and go after all the other assault rifles. Will it bring in all the guns. Nowhere close. Will it take years to implement. Yup. Will there be countless killings from black market assault rifles. Yup. But what's the alternative. Do nothing and the same shit keeps occurring.
Next two paragraphs on your point how anyone in Ireland can get a gun if they want one. Now I'm open to correction here. My understanding is farmers can get one, for farming reasons and then if you're in a gun club but there's multiple checks and hoops to go through to get one. Or am in wrong? Or are we talking about illegally procuring one?
No, anyone can get a gun here with a few exceptions like criminal record or being of bad character. All you have to do is join a gun club or have permission from a couple of farmers to shoot on their land and you just apply for the licence for what gun you want. You have to fulfill some conditions like a gun safe or trigger guard but it's far easier than most people think. Even at that, people only use them for sport and vermin control here anyway and no-one keeps them for personal protection outside of the criminal class, who have theirs illegally anyway. I'm delighted we don't have the free for all culture like the US.
Your ideas around getting the assault rifles back would be pretty much my own thinking on it. I can't see any reason for anyone to need one of those but I guess there's a certain paranoia among sections of the populace in the US that makes reasonable discussion difficult.
You have to do a course annually (or bi-annually, I forget) to have a gun licence here, but it's very easy to get through, it's just a couple of hours of basic cop-on. Like the safe pass.
Most people in Ireland (i.e. the urban majority of the population) wouldn't even know where to go to buy a gun. In the US, you can buy them at Walmart.
In a surprising number of mass shooting cases, the gun used was a recent purchase, so although the question of what to do with all the old assault weapons is definitely a valid one, putting a ban in place that would prevent new generations of homicide fantasizing young men from buying them still seems logical. And reinforcing background checks.
Quote from: Carnage on July 06, 2022, 06:57:03 PM
You have to do a course annually (or bi-annually, I forget) to have a gun licence here, but it's very easy to get through, it's just a couple of hours of basic cop-on. Like the safe pass.
Only done it lately myself, it's very easy indeed.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 06, 2022, 07:13:03 PM
Most people in Ireland (i.e. the urban majority of the population) wouldn't even know where to go to buy a gun. In the US, you can buy them at Walmart.
In a surprising number of mass shooting cases, the gun used was a recent purchase, so although the question of what to do with all the old assault weapons is definitely a valid one, putting a ban in place that would prevent new generations of homicide fantasizing young men from buying them still seems logical. And reinforcing background checks.
I agree with all that
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jerone4Congress/status/1544700948164972546
It's really eating itself. Democrates are now the kkk members?!?
I wonder how many KKK members there actually are? Probably very few. I watched a documentary about them a while ago and they seem like a pretty laughable bunch.
Well if that's the argument for keeping the assault rifles, I finally understand.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WaltonNJohnson/status/1544827427574226951
More Biden gold here. I love how yer man has to act like it's not happening for the photos
Quote from: astfgyl on July 07, 2022, 03:22:58 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/WaltonNJohnson/status/1544827427574226951
More Biden gold here. I love how yer man has to act like it's not happening for the photos
https://twitter.com/TheIOGuy/status/1544895770347782144?t=LfY_ftoaiiGtmu00qPyEpA&s=19
Ah shite it was way better thinking the lad was trying to act natural.
Well I guess that means Biden is a great president after all
Quote from: astfgyl on July 07, 2022, 10:25:31 PM
Ah shite it was way better thinking the lad was trying to act natural.
Well I guess that means Biden is a great president after all
Don't worry, his young fella had a howler today.
Hunter? The gift that keeps giving
Here's some golden oldie Joe for you astfgyl:
https://twitter.com/StoolMilmore/status/1545482213394989057
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 09, 2022, 12:03:15 PM
Here's some golden oldie Joe for you astfgyl:
https://twitter.com/StoolMilmore/status/1545482213394989057
:laugh: :laugh: yeah that's the good stuff!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FY2hnELWQAUsIlB?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: astfgyl on July 30, 2022, 01:58:02 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FY2hnELWQAUsIlB?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-atlantic-economy-idUSL1N2ZA369
Thanks (again) Pete!
That's the second fake one lately where The Atlantic was used as the template. I'm not even ashamed of being caught twice but I'm a little disappointed that they aren't turning out to be real. I'm sure something similar could be done with republicans and Breitbart or one of the other sites that supports them but I doubt it'd be as funny.
Don't forget Reuters also fact checked the Hunter Biden laptop as a Russian conspiracy theory and has been linked to the Rothschilds and Blackrock. They have about as much credibility as CNN or RTE.
Quote from: mickO))) on August 03, 2022, 01:18:28 PMDon't forget Reuters also fact checked the Hunter Biden laptop as a Russian conspiracy theory and has been linked to the Rothschilds and Blackrock. They have about as much credibility as CNN or RTE.
All that aside, such an article in The Atlantic simply never existed.
Yeah I wouldn't be much of a fan of fact checks but that one checks out. Turns out the one about him falling off his bike wasn't real either. Decent satire though!
https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1557713456098312195
All this Stasi stuff is going to have the opposite of its intended effect. Trump is even more popular now than he was in 2020, they are making a martyr of him.
Happy days :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2022, 05:00:51 PMAll this Stasi stuff is going to have the opposite of its intended effect. Trump is even more popular now than he was in 2020, they are making a martyr of him.
Happy days :)
He's actually not as popular as he was in 2020. When he lost the election the republican party should have dumped him like a hot potato and got a more moderate candidate in who would still appease the further right of the party. Would have romped home then. Trump just can't get the floating voter which is needed in an American election as there's always millions of voters who could go either way.
I'm inclined to believe that a lot of this latest stuff is to try to slap a conviction on him so that he's knocked out of running next time. Had he not made such a pants of the covid response and then looked foolish by contracting it he'd still be residing in Pennsylvania Avenue.
Quote from: hellfire on August 11, 2022, 07:39:30 PMI'm inclined to believe that a lot of this latest stuff is to try to slap a conviction on him so that he's knocked out of running next time. Had he not made such a pants of the covid response and then looked foolish by contracting it he'd still be residing in Pennsylvania Avenue.
Him contracting it I never had an issue with. But as you say the pants response to Covid has tainted him. Probably not in the media to the right over there but to the families of the 1 million people who died. Countless thousands would not have died had he not politized the disease. He doesn't give a fuck about anyone bar himself. As much as I loathe Bush or Reagan at least their response to a pandemic would have been different.
I think the Democrats politicised covid as much as the Republicans. Anyway I don't know if he'd get back in because he's too divisive now and a moderate candidate for either party might be what they're looking for next. No point having a president who instantly pisses off half the country by being there at all.
He'd be 78 if he did get in at the next election, you'd hope both parties would find a candidate that isn't likely to drop dead halfway through a presidency
Quote from: astfgyl on August 11, 2022, 10:10:56 PMNo point having a president who instantly pisses off half the country by being there at all.
When was the last time they had one of those??
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 11, 2022, 10:28:17 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 11, 2022, 10:10:56 PMNo point having a president who instantly pisses off half the country by being there at all.
When was the last time they had one of those??
:P Not since Clinton
With Biden being as effective as a soft penis and America sliding into recession at the moment stranger things have happened than Trump regaining the presidency. A different candidate with a toned down approach and contempt for the far left would sail home.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 11, 2022, 06:52:30 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2022, 05:00:51 PMAll this Stasi stuff is going to have the opposite of its intended effect. Trump is even more popular now than he was in 2020, they are making a martyr of him.
Happy days :)
He's actually not as popular as he was in 2020. When he lost the election the republican party should have dumped him like a hot potato and got a more moderate candidate in who would still appease the further right of the party. Would have romped home then. Trump just can't get the floating voter which is needed in an American election as there's always millions of voters who could go either way.
Sorry, you are full of it.
You are brainwashed lad.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2022, 10:39:05 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on August 11, 2022, 06:52:30 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2022, 05:00:51 PMAll this Stasi stuff is going to have the opposite of its intended effect. Trump is even more popular now than he was in 2020, they are making a martyr of him.
Happy days :)
He's actually not as popular as he was in 2020. When he lost the election the republican party should have dumped him like a hot potato and got a more moderate candidate in who would still appease the further right of the party. Would have romped home then. Trump just can't get the floating voter which is needed in an American election as there's always millions of voters who could go either way.
Sorry, you are full of it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 12, 2022, 10:39:05 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on August 11, 2022, 06:52:30 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 11, 2022, 05:00:51 PMAll this Stasi stuff is going to have the opposite of its intended effect. Trump is even more popular now than he was in 2020, they are making a martyr of him.
Happy days :)
He's actually not as popular as he was in 2020. When he lost the election the republican party should have dumped him like a hot potato and got a more moderate candidate in who would still appease the further right of the party. Would have romped home then. Trump just can't get the floating voter which is needed in an American election as there's always millions of voters who could go either way.
Sorry, you are full of it.
Wtf are you on about lad. I just gave an opinion on why a more moderate republican would win due to floating voters. How in God's name is that "full of it"
Like it or not, and not forgetting that voters from the US are mental, Trump's approval ratings have been barely impacted since 2020. A couple of fluctuations here and there, but even the Jan 6th stuff has already fizzled out. People's opinion of him will always be inflected by the wet blanket opposite him. If there was someone with a bit of character in the White House at the moment, that would have a bigger effect. People hate Biden, or at least no one really "loves" him in the way Obama and even B.Clinton prior to the scandals were loved, and Trump benefits from that.
Yeah, even in 2016 they handed him the presidency by putting him up against Hillary Clinton. A career politician mired in filth with a personality that could be described as bland on a good day.
Yeah the Democrats really screwed up throwing Biden in there, given that anyone at all (except Hilary ofc) would have prevailed. There wouldn't be any talk of a Trump comeback if they'd picked someone else although I admit Biden was on a hiding to nothing coming in with covid and a global downturn to contend with. Him and Harris are some awful laughing stock all the same.
Speaking of laughing stocks, this gave me a nice chuckle:
https://twitter.com/CH005Y/status/1558112232663384064
Jesus that Boebert. Even tippex would be too clever for her
https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1560061984699064320
Thought this was interesting in highlighting that one side is as bad as the other in the US. There's more in the rest of the thread reinforcing the same conclusion. We don't care if he's bad if he's bad on our side sort of mentality. I'm sure we have similar here already too but the US should be our canary before we end up there. I still think the laptop was underwhelming though.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 18, 2022, 04:42:49 PMhttps://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1560061984699064320
Thought this was interesting in highlighting that one side is as bad as the other in the US. There's more in the rest of the thread reinforcing the same conclusion. We don't care if he's bad if he's bad on our side sort of mentality. I'm sure we have similar here already too but the US should be our canary before we end up there. I still think the laptop was underwhelming though.
And in the interest of fairness, here's his clarification or attempt at defending the indefensible depending on what way one wants to look at it https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/1560339121863684098
One side against the other? Sam Harris is just an individual talking shite, he doesn't represent Democrats any more than Alex Jones represents Republicans. Oh wait...
:laugh:
That's pretty much how it's headlined. I thought he was like the left's answer to Jordan Petersen or something like that. I dunno much about him but I hear tell he wrote some book about not telling lies and now he's fine with telling lies. It's pretty funny and ironic if it's true. I wonder where all the centrists are at? Probably hiding under the stairs rocking back and forth with their hands clutching their knees after voting for old Joe. There's a real opening for some centrists right now I reckon.
There are plenty centrists they're just decried as far right Nazis like everyone else.
I was looking at a graph lately which illustrated that same point very well. Basically I feel the same as I ever did but now instead of being sort of left of centre I'm far right. Some world.
The funny thing is that if I open any of the Irish newspapers I could swear the country had turned into some sort of woke nightmare. Nobody I've ever met ever parrots these views.
Bang on. Nobody actually thinks that shit in real life. Not even the black shepherd. Well maybe... :P
Again, don't let the media, including social media, tell you what's going on. Left and right, originally, is about resource management, secondarily includes moral views too. Then you have an authoritarian to libertarian spectrum about how to enforce views. Many would say leftists are becoming authoritarian. Some surely are. Where do *you* stand, really? Put a wee bit of time in and approach some kind of objective guide answer:
https://www.politicalcompass.org
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Got you out of the woodwork quick there.
I don't do left and right, it's become distorted beyond belief by the media and even more so social media. I do right and wrong instead, as does almost everyone I know in real life
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 20, 2022, 03:56:15 PMhttps://www.politicalcompass.org
That yoke is pretty cool actually.
I'm at -6.38 on the economic left, and -2.0 on the social libertarian/authoritarian.
It's useful to have something of an objective view of where you are. It helps identify where anyone accusing you of being elsewhere stands. If you are centre left-strong libertarian and someone accuses you of being far right, for example, it's likely they're far left-authoritarian.
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 20, 2022, 04:24:13 PMIt's useful to have something of an objective view of where you are. It helps identify where anyone accusing you of being elsewhere stands. If you are centre left-strong libertarian and someone accuses you of being far right, for example, it's likely they're far left-authoritarian.
Ah jaysus. I just don't want to hurt anyone
I can't wait for Kev to fill it in.
Hold up, am I in the woke quadrant? :-X
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 20, 2022, 04:32:14 PMI can't wait for Kev to fill it in.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Was my first thought as well. :laugh: :laugh:
If we're sharing results, the "worst" you can be is the polar opposite of me Kev :laugh: :abbath:
Left/right -8
Lib/auth -6.46
Thing is though, and kinda my point, is that with how liberal I am on free speech, etc., despite being hardline left-wing, I've been called right wing loads of times. Fuckin' authoritarians!
Maybe we should add these values to our profiles. Might lead to less misunderstandings :laugh:
Lads, we're all centrists and we don't know it
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74
What does that mean?
Your resident Reichsführer SS results are in -
Economic Left/Right -0.63
Libertarian/Authoritarian 2.87
It seems I'm more moderate than the rest of ye :)
Quote from: astfgyl on August 20, 2022, 06:59:59 PMYour Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74
What does that mean?
If I'm reading it correctly you're a lefty woke cunt :laugh:
I actually got about the same. Not as far left on economic but more left on social.
I told ye I was a lefty all along and no one believed me!! :laugh: :abbath:
This is the thing to get though ollkiller, the thing that hasn't sunk into the collective consciousness; the vertical has nothing to do with left or right. Someone like Ron Paul, or a crypto bro, could be all the way down the bottom on the vertical, yet very right wing on the horizontal. Whereas North Korea, say, is way to the left economically, but up top for authoritarianism. It's this blending together of largely independent slices of life in society that can have someone who thinks Dave Chapelle should be censored or jailed call me "right wing". And the problem is that then people start thinking, "Well, maybe I am right wing!" because they feel so strongly about free speech, but actually it's got nothing to do with their left-right politics. Pretty amazing what an extra dimension can bring to the table.
Economic Left/Right: -7.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28
Lol
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 20, 2022, 08:25:28 PMThis is the thing to get though ollkiller, the thing that hasn't sunk into the collective consciousness; the vertical has nothing to do with left or right. Someone like Ron Paul, or a crypto bro, could be all the way down the bottom on the vertical, yet very right wing on the horizontal. Whereas North Korea, say, is way to the left economically, but up top for authoritarianism. It's this blending together of largely independent slices of life in society that can have someone who thinks Dave Chapelle should be censored or jailed call me "right wing". And the problem is that then people start thinking, "Well, maybe I am right wing!" because they feel so strongly about free speech, but actually it's got nothing to do with their left-right politics. Pretty amazing what an extra dimension can bring to the table.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 20, 2022, 04:14:01 PMI do right and wrong instead, as does almost everyone I know in real life
Everyone thinks that they are right. It's a useless measure for coordinating society, and more often results in authoritarianism than freedom.
Of course you'd say that
;)
Some questions could have been worded better and some lacked nuance but fun to give you a ballpark. I remember doing that same test 15 odd years ago, wish I remembered the results to compare to my youthful self.
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28
Economic Left/Right: -3.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92
Not sure how accurate that is. For many questions I had no real opinion but just hit whatever felt closest to how I felt at the time of reading, but I'm sure a good argument could have swung me to a different answer. A few of them would have been dead centre of agree/ disagree. I need more nuance ::)
Quote from: ochoill on August 20, 2022, 08:33:30 PMEconomic Left/Right: -7.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28
Lol
We have a winner.
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 21, 2022, 08:46:34 AMQuote from: ochoill on August 20, 2022, 08:33:30 PMEconomic Left/Right: -7.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28
Lol
We have a winner.
:laugh: and he still speaks to me at times!
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1562462330230751232
What they're saying is indeed true but it looks like a shift from Biden did it to Trump did it. Americans are hilarious, Democrats didn't want the Trump vaccine and Republicans didn't want the Biden vaccine but both candidates wanted to take credit for what was in fact the work of the pharmaceutical companies. Well done to all for playing politics with public health and I hope someone somewhere has learned something from the experience.
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1464740850412441600 Here's an example of some democrats before the election and I'm certain there's a version of republicans saying the same thing over Biden being the head of the rollout. Unreal it's like they don't know there's cameras and an internet.
So, Trump put pressure on the FDA to authorize vaccines. We knew that. And certain Democrats at the time said that, as a result of Trump putting pressure on the FDA to authorize vaccines (what was it he talked about, Operation Warp Speed or something like that?), they would have reservations about its authorization and would (to quote Biden from the second link video) need to know it had been okayed by other bodies too before considering it to be above board. FDA gave its approval in December 2020. By that point, the UK had also approved the same vaccine. In other words, a body other than the FDA and one under no pressure from Trump. Canada also approved a couple of days prior to the US. Sure, the UK and Canada approving a vaccine means nothing whatsoever about dodgy dealings regarding Pfizer, but does mean something regarding potential dodgy dealings regarding Trump, no?
Do you think that Biden was waiting for non-US approval before endorsing it? That's a bit mad really that he would question the impartiality of the regulatory authorities in his own country then but not since and I'm not really buying that as much as he was simply playing politics US (and soon to be the rest of the world) style. Had Trump won I think you'd have seen exactly the same arguments put forward over the vaccines by democrats as you see from republicans after Biden won. What went on in the rest of the world would likely have nothing to do with it. I'm not getting into questioning the vaccines themselves, just laughing at the US playing politics with them. Trump was all for them and still is, Biden has been all for them since he got in but was quite happy to sow the seed of doubt in his supporters when it was Trump's Warp Speed initiative. I just use this thread for the US left/right thing because I find it all pretty amusing and I haven't cleaned up my twitter enough to not see any of it. I'm sure I mentioned many times on the covid thread how politics should stay out of public health and that's a Trump-themed example of why is all.
So you're saying it's a bit mad that Biden would question the impartiality of the FDA even though everyone at the time knew what the article you linked to is now officially "revealing": that Trump, the President of the nation, and his administration were putting pressure on them to omit steps, such as "attempts to block the FDA from collecting additional safety data on Covid-19 vaccines in order to get them to the public before the 2020 presidential election."
In that kind of atmosphere, had the FDA been the first body in the world to approve the vaccine, long before any other nation, which is what the Trump administration were pushing for, then questioning such a premature approval would not have been "mad" at all.
You'll go to any lengths to defend the democrat perspective. No, Biden was willing to talk any old shite in the run up to an election, same as any politician. You're right Trump wanted to put pressure on because he was going to say the vaccines were his great victory, but with the revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical companies it wasn't going to be because of Trump that they'd be so eager to push it forward.
It's not about defending the Democrat perspective, which I couldn't give a shit about. It's about measuring at its proper weight what the Trump administration actually did, and why, in light of that, all distrust of them regarding the vaccine was wholly warranted at that time, regardless of who was articulating it.
On this subject, it seems fairly clear to me that the MAGA camp should be the ones suffering the most cognitive dissonance, since they were the ones who had significantly higher levels of distrust about the vaccine after numerous international bodies had safety approved it. And yet it was Trump & Co, their idols, who wanted it rolled out even quicker, with even less safety checks in place. That Democrats at the time were saying they couldn't fully trust government bodies for as long as individuals pushing them to cut corners were in power, that's much lower down on any objective scale of dissonance, even if the Democrats were just playing at politics. It was smarter politics than the level of BS the MAGA camp were capable of swallowing and imagining they were shitting out as gotcha gold. The order things happen in matters. It's okay to one day say, "I don't trust that this man is the killer" and then later say "In the light of new evidence, I am convinced this man is the killer." It's just a question of updating one's beliefs.
We're hardly kidding ourselves that there was any chance that those vaccines wouldn't have been approved in quick time no matter who was in charge? That didn't just apply to the US either it was everywhere. Everyone needed an exit strategy to try get things going again after the restrictions and whatnot. I don't think either side was particularly smart in playing to their very partisan crowds. The way I see it, it's orange man vaccine bad, senile man vaccine good but would have been the other way round had Trump prevailed. There's updating one's beliefs and then there's Biden going from sowing doubt to the federal mandate, which is one hell of an update.
Here, back to The Donald vs Big Tech specifically, have a look at this clip: https://twitter.com/minds/status/1562927481945980928
Remember that the laptop story turned out to be true, although not as explosive as was flagged at the time either.
Edit: Far more dicey is the daughter's diary story which no one seems to have heard much about. I wonder if that'll turn out to be true or just Russian disinformation.
And here, I'll spare someone the time of giving the same response: https://twitter.com/MetaNewsroom/status/1562968979844411393
What the fuck was Biden at with that speech?
He decided that what Clinton got wrong when she started going on about the basket of deplorables was just the lighting, which needed to be a bit more comic book fascist. I think. That's how it came across anyway.
The red lights, the army lads in the background. Mental.
Seemed like a skit.
Someone told me that #pedohitler is now trending. Ha ha amazing.
That was absolutely fucked up and I'd love to hear a Biden supporters defence of it.
Really really weird and talk about fanning the flames of division after shit talking about uniting people.
I can't believe anyone falls for either side in the US I really can't
https://twitter.com/G0Crazytimes/status/1566371999106191360?s=20&t=Mcb-lRsjOUOpt498facWSA (https://twitter.com/G0Crazytimes/status/1566371999106191360?s=20&t=Mcb-lRsjOUOpt498facWSA)
I only got a chance to see the speech yesterday. Insulting 73m voters is probably not the best idea.
The President of Unity is going well
And MSNBC and CNN and various other spastics defending him, I heard that bellend Colbert saying he shouldn't have bothered with the semi in semi fascist (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).
https://twitter.com/BNicholsLiberty/status/1566410332209352705?t=o15qEV8axKNLbDZhaAPzAQ&s=19
Greenwald the fascist prick
"The Twitter Files" (Hunter Biden laptop story cover-up, etc.)
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
Would you rather be caught out like Hunter Biden has, being a corrupt bastard, dodgy deals etc or have the Mrs stumble across eye-widening 'alternative' porn on your work laptop?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 03, 2022, 01:33:55 PM"The Twitter Files" (Hunter Biden laptop story cover-up, etc.)
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394
Honestly I thought it was a load of nothing as much as I'd have enjoyed the entertainment of it being something. Same for the actual contents of the laptop.
And to answer Kev's question, I'd rather be Hunter Biden
Edit: without going back through the thread, I think we all knew the laptop was real and the story suppressed and I doubt it made a blind bit of difference to a single voter in the US. They are far too partisan to be swayed by a little bit of Ukraine themed corruption and a few crack whores
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Chap was always a spa, but this really takes the biscuit. At the very least, though it'd be hoping too much, it shows just how far the censoring
hadn't gone from the previous ownership who everyone on the right was accusing of being the stasi.
It's bullshit. Leviathan is a fucking banger. Musk is a cloth-eared spa.
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"check out my profile on Facebook - facebook.com/username"
Chap was always a spa, but this really takes the biscuit. At the very least, though it'd be hoping too much, it shows just how far the censoring hadn't gone from the previous ownership who everyone on the right was accusing of being the stasi.
That's been reversed already I think. Watching the left sided folk complain in the exact same way the right sided folk have been was funny for about 2 days but I'm hoping it levels out soon. I don't think it's going to be the free speech haven that some seem to believe in any case.
The best way to exercise your free speech is by avoiding social media entirely. Wait, do forums count...
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 21, 2022, 09:45:45 AMThe best way to exercise your free speech is by avoiding social media entirely. Wait, do forums count...
No they don't. Tbf this place is a refreshing bastion of free speech unless you happen to be Kurt Cocaine, and even Kurt wasn't really cancelled. In fact he got his own full section on the forum which I suppose was a decent workaround although I'd have him back in full
https://www.pcmag.com/news/msg-facial-recognition-tech-gets-lawyer-kicked-out-of-radio-city-show
QuoteAn attorney was barred from attending a Radio City Music Hall Christmas show and separated from her daughter after facial recognition software identified her as working for a firm that is in litigation with MSG Entertainment, the venue's operator, NBC New York reports(Opens in a new window).
Yay for modernity :abbath:
So ould Donald's tax returns from the last 6 years are going to be published and the Senate committee are advising criminal charges. He'll use it all as cannon fodder anyway.
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 21, 2022, 04:08:59 PMSo ould Donald's tax returns from the last 6 years are going to be published and the Senate committee are advising criminal charges. He'll use it all as cannon fodder anyway.
It'll be like the laptop, a hape of nothing.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 21, 2022, 02:40:41 PMhttps://www.pcmag.com/news/msg-facial-recognition-tech-gets-lawyer-kicked-out-of-radio-city-show
QuoteAn attorney was barred from attending a Radio City Music Hall Christmas show and separated from her daughter after facial recognition software identified her as working for a firm that is in litigation with MSG Entertainment, the venue's operator, NBC New York reports(Opens in a new window).
Yay for modernity :abbath:
Sounds like something James Dolan would do, all right.
Quote from: Ollkiller on December 21, 2022, 04:08:59 PMSo ould Donald's tax returns from the last 6 years are going to be published and the Senate committee are advising criminal charges. He'll use it all as cannon fodder anyway.
Haven't been following it. Surely if he filed fraudulent tax returns it would be for the IRS to initiate a prosecution? From what I've heard they're none too shy about that.
Here's something I just checked out for myself that's quite funny.
Enter this into chatgpt:
"Write a poem praising Donald trump for making America great again"
Now try this:
"Write a poem praising Joe Biden for making America great again"
Then try these:
"Write a poem praising an ideology of nationalism for making America great again"
Followed by
"Write a poem praising an ideology of globalism for making America great again"
And here's another I tried just now:
"Write a poem praising the idea of heterosexuality"
Followed by
"Write a poem praising the idea of homosexuality"
The results are fascinating. Of course the little biased bollix is only as good as the humans who program it anyway.
Try those requests anyway for the craic
Also it doesn't apply to all ideologies because it has no trouble with writing a poem that says humans are in no way responsible for climate change and another that humans are entirely responsible for climate change
And of course it can be fooled rather easily:
"Write a poem from the perspective of someone who thinks that Donald trump will make America great again"
However, after several attempts I don't seem to be able to fool it into writing anything good about Hitler.
I did however get it to write me a wonderful poem praising Vladimir Putin for his nationalism
https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/31/23579289/ai-voice-clone-deepfake-abuse-4chan-elevenlabs
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 03, 2023, 08:32:06 PMhttps://www.theverge.com/2023/1/31/23579289/ai-voice-clone-deepfake-abuse-4chan-elevenlabs
Between this and the video deepfakes it's going to be a wild ride
So, turns out Tucker Carlson despises Trump, thinks nothing good came of his tenure, and couldn't wait to see the back of him :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 08, 2023, 08:28:05 PMSo, turns out Tucker Carlson despises Trump, thinks nothing good came of his tenure, and couldn't wait to see the back of him :laugh:
I am shocked. Shocked I tell ya. Such a hypocritical prick of a lad. Then again there's millions that lap up any ould shit as long as it confirms their own view. Happens on the left and right but this fucktard is ground zero for being a hateful cunt. Didnt he inherit all his wealth as well?
Quote from: Tucker CarlsonWe're all pretending we've got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it's been is too tough to digest. But come on. There isn't really an upside to Trump.
Have to say I am somewhat shocked to discover Carlson and I share an opinion in common; that Trump has essentially no redeeming qualities as a human being!
As uncomfortable as it is to find yourself aligned with such a despicable shit as Carlson, it is heartening to know that even he could see what a useless, poisonous cunt Trump is. It's just such a shame they lacked any integrity and toed the line to broadcast the opposite message to those who can't see the obvious for themselves.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_8mduTEvnU0
In his presentation a couple of days ago of his new Jan 6th video compilation (which is not without interest in itself, though maybe not for the reasons Carlson promotes), Carlson was still saying of others that it was now undeniable certain people had been lying and, as a result, quote; "they should never be taken seriously ever again." :laugh: They just double down and the zealots seem to lap it up, regardless of how blatant the hypocrisy is. I guess the hardcore zealots are telling themselves the text messages and emails are faked. Supposedly Fox News' attorneys have already thrown an Alex Jones style cloak of protection over Carlson by calling him "not credible" on certain subjects. It's just been an all out attack on intelligence in the name of money. As Murdoch has said during this case; "It's not red or blue, it's green."
Ah that lad will say anything to cause a bit of uproar for views. He's a waste of time
He's far worse than a waste of time. 30% of American voters still believe the election was stolen. The three primary voices who communicated that ridiculous idea - Hannity, Ingraham, and Carlson - do not and never did.
Yep they'll all say anything for the clicks or whatever. Of course the crowd on the left leaning networks are no better but we've all known that all along too. An odd true thing about the corruption of the other side in a sea of bullshit.
The ideological left and right are a far cry from the political left and right. All of those are shape shifting motherfuckers of the highest order.
For years I was happy to file it under those crazy yanks but more and more I see it creeping in on this side of the Atlantic too.
Fuck em all.
This is the most egregious case of knowing manipulation of the electorate in a long time, not just "Ah sure they'll all say anything." All criminals commit crimes, sure, but not all crimes are equivalent, and it's good to be able to identify and classify them. They should all do jail time for this. It's the equivalent of high treason.
Didn't they lose their status as a news channel a couple of years ago, now classed as an entertainment channel? A loophole that'll save their oily hides for a while, no doubt.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 09, 2023, 05:01:29 PMOf course the crowd on the left leaning networks are no better but we've all known that all along too.
I hear this a lot but, for the life of me, I can't find any example of this in the real world outside of posts like this. Could you provide an example which is as blatant as the "election was stolen" lie pushed knowingly by Fox?
It's the kind of thing mindlessly regurgitated to legitimise shit and dangerously corrupt journalism, you know what I mean? I mean, read back through this thread with what we now know (for sure) about Carlson and show me an equivalent spin from the left. Please.
CNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.
MSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.
'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?
Are you serious? You're clearly blinkered if you don't think the left leaning mainstream media don't make shit up constantly.
I appreciate there is no truly left-wing mainstream media in the US anyway but, still, this "left wing media is just as bad" thing is regularly trotted out. It's gas. Do you not actually need left wing media as a pre-requisite to that claim? 😂
Quote from: Bürggermeister on March 09, 2023, 06:49:17 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 09, 2023, 05:01:29 PMOf course the crowd on the left leaning networks are no better but we've all known that all along too.
I hear this a lot but, for the life of me, I can't find any example of this in the real world outside of posts like this. Could you provide an example which is as blatant as the "election was stolen" lie pushed knowingly by Fox?
Covid. The lies were like nothing that has ever been seen. You can stay partisan if you like.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on March 09, 2023, 06:58:22 PMI appreciate there is no truly left-wing mainstream media in the US anyway but, still, this "left wing media is just as bad" thing is regularly trotted out. It's gas. Do you not actually need left wing media as a pre-requisite to that claim? 😂
Yes you do. They're the ones who say the exact opposite of the right wing ones.
Think I explained it well enough anyway in the initial post you took up
Quote from: astfgyl on March 09, 2023, 07:30:31 PMCovid. The lies were like nothing that has ever been seen. You can stay partisan if you like.
Do you think the journalists reporting thought they were lies? I already know at least half of what you think were lies I do not, so...
Plus, even if you think they were knowingly reporting lies, do you think they were doing exclusively so that their audience wouldn't switch channels?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PMCNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.
This was a lie, but a lie of omission. Not comparable to lying about an election being stolen (again, the equivalent in a democracy of high treason).
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PMMSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.
Five police deaths have been associated with January 6th. Even if you don't believe that they were genuinely associated, it's still a stronger factual basis than the stolen election lie.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PM'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?
Again, exaggeration at best, not even close to comparable.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PMCNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.
MSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.
'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?
Are you serious? You're clearly blinkered if you don't think the left leaning mainstream media don't make shit up constantly.
The Russian collusion story is another lie that was pushed by every left leaning news channel and it is pretty much the definition of treason.
It was perfectly acceptable to say the 2016 election was stolen but claiming the 2020 election was stolen is an attack on democracy.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 09, 2023, 08:14:11 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 09, 2023, 07:30:31 PMCovid. The lies were like nothing that has ever been seen. You can stay partisan if you like.
Do you think the journalists reporting thought they were lies? I already know at least half of what you think were lies I do not, so...
Plus, even if you think they were knowingly reporting lies, do you think they were doing exclusively so that their audience wouldn't switch channels?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PMCNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.
This was a lie, but a lie of omission. Not comparable to lying about an election being stolen (again, the equivalent in a democracy of high treason).
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PMMSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.
Five police deaths have been associated with January 6th. Even if you don't believe that they were genuinely associated, it's still a stronger factual basis than the stolen election lie.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PM'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?
Again, exaggeration at best, not even close to comparable.
You will say absolutely anything to justify your position. This is one of the rare times I actually can't be arsed.
I've said this before, I know you're not as stupid as you let on but I know you're enough of a bollix to have a go at it.
No thanks on this.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 09, 2023, 08:14:11 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 09, 2023, 07:30:31 PMCovid. The lies were like nothing that has ever been seen. You can stay partisan if you like.
Do you think the journalists reporting thought they were lies? I already know at least half of what you think were lies I do not, so...
Plus, even if you think they were knowingly reporting lies, do you think they were doing exclusively so that their audience wouldn't switch channels?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PMCNN lying about that shit that Joe Rogan was taking for COVID.
This was a lie, but a lie of omission. Not comparable to lying about an election being stolen (again, the equivalent in a democracy of high treason).
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PMMSNBC and CNN claiming that 5 cops were 'killed' during the 'insurrection'.
Five police deaths have been associated with January 6th. Even if you don't believe that they were genuinely associated, it's still a stronger factual basis than the stolen election lie.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 06:55:10 PM'Mainly praceful' protests from the BBC?
Again, exaggeration at best, not even close to comparable.
Ah FFS, keep your beak out for once, will ya? Yer man wanted some examples of the left media lying, there's a few examples, there are many others. Why are you dragging me into some other shite? All this shrieking about Tucker Carlson and treason and blah blah who gives a fuck? I have no idea how you get anything done, anyone challenges THE MESSAGE on this forum and there you are to set the record straight.
Quote from: mickO))) on March 09, 2023, 09:51:07 PMIt was perfectly acceptable to say the 2016 election was stolen but claiming the 2020 election was stolen is an attack on democracy.
The claim in 2016 was not that the election was stolen but that Russia (and potentially other) states had interfered during the campaign, spreading disinformation, etc. The same report which said it could not conclude there had been criminal conspiracy between Trump and Russia confirmed that Russian interference in the campaign had occurred.
When the tallied results of the election became clear, Obama's team called Clinton to insist on the importance for democratic transfer of power that she concede without further delay and she did, first directly to Trump (before all results were in), next day publicly. None of the involved parties denies that this series of events occurred. I have zero time for Clinton, but any person not blind can easily see the difference in nature between her election result acts in 2016 and Trump's in 2020. For good measure, here's an extract from Clinton's public concession speech. It's typical diplomatic BS, but it's what the situation and the type of government demanded, and she did her job:
QuoteWe have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.
Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we don't just respect that, we cherish it.
A reminder of some of what Trump was saying around the same time 4 years later??
QuoteIf you count the legal votes, I easily win. If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us.
They want to find out how many votes they need and then they seem to be able to find them. They wait and wait and then they find them.
These are the kind of claims we now know even Carlson and others took to be baseless bullshit.
How about Trump a month after the election?
QuoteI want to provide an update on our ongoing efforts to expose the tremendous voter fraud and irregularities which took place during the ridiculously long November 3rd elections.
What changed this year was the Democrat party's relentless push to print and mail out tens of millions of ballots sent to unknown recipients with virtually no safeguards of any kind. This allowed fraud and abuse to occur in a scale never seen before.
it's constitutionally, absolutely incorrect what took place, even from a legal standpoint.
We have an in all swing states major infractions or outright fraud, which is far more in numbers or votes then we need to overturn the results of a state.
But we will have far more, many times more than the 20,000 votes needed to overturn the state. If we are right about the fraud, Joe Biden can't be president. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of votes. We're talking about numbers like nobody has ever seen before. Just as an example, in certain states, we'll be down by, let's say, 7,000 votes, but we'll find later on 20,000, 50,000, 100,00, 200,000 discrepancies or fraudulent votes, and that includes votes that went through when they were not allowed to be seen by Republican poll watchers, because the poll watchers were locked out of the building.
I could go on. All bullshit.
Now, which are greater between the 2016 and 2020 responses to the election results? The similarities or the differences?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 09, 2023, 11:00:24 PMWords mean nothing to you, you will say anything.
Dude, they got your boy unambiguously pinned as a worse, more blatant, and greedier hypocrite than anyone he's ever criticized on his show, yet instead of coming out and saying, "Fuck, yeah, he really is a shit!" Instead of doing that, you come at
me rather than
him with "Words mean nothing to you, you will say anything." That's a riot.
We're talking about a prick who has literally been proven to be willing to say anything Kev, condemned by his own words.
Carlson went on some podcast this week and, on top of portraying Andrew Tate as some kind of altruistic father figure to young men, seemed to sow the seeds of a narrative that would have him being the naive puppet of the Republicans driving the media narrative...? This is the kind of thing he does best: cynical manipulation of people he knows are just sitting there drooling in anticipation for any articulate talking head to validate their biases.
Have a look at an example here:
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1635308873367298048
Just conjure up how cynical and condescending an individual you have to be to go on a podcast, with a very obviously well-defined demographic, and say things like the above mere days after it's been revealed that you were not in any sense pushed into lying on air, but were in fact actually trail-blazing the trend. Banking on bias and ignorance and cashing in big time.
"Tucker is waking up" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Sadly, it appears he's on his own.
Sadly indeed. If they had any idea the level of utter disdain he, and all his ilk, must hold them in!
Looks like old Don is in hot water again. Predictably one set of folks think it's a joke while the other thinks he's going down.
I haven't a clue but I doubt the result will unite the masses one way or another. He appears to be calling for a protest of some sort in his social media posts
These repeated attempts to slap a criminal charge on him are pathetic. The DA in Manhattan is an elected democrat. Any unbiased court will throw it out.
Speaking of Big Tech, it's been awfully quiet about this new Restrict Bill (the one that supposedly all about banning TikTok). No mention of the fact it's like the Patriot Act on steroids for internet users. Forfeiture of assets and jail for VPN users, etc.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on March 27, 2023, 06:58:53 PMSpeaking of Big Tech, it's been awfully quiet about this new Restrict Bill (the one that supposedly all about banning TikTok). No mention of the fact it's like the Patriot Act on steroids for internet users. Forfeiture of assets and jail for VPN users, etc.
Shit that sounds bad
So he finally got indicted for the stormy hush payments. 34 counts so theres more to it than just the hush money I'd say.
Gonna be an interesting few months for him. Next up is indictments from Georgia re the stealing of the election. Then whether the FBI indite him for the classified nuclear documents he had at La Margo. And then the defamation case being brought by Jean Carroll who says Trump raped her (not the first woman to claim that).
Doesn't sound great for Donny
Quote from: astfgyl on March 31, 2023, 01:54:15 PMDoesn't sound great for Donny
For a grand jury to idicte it does take a high degree of evidence. And its probably the same evidence that found Cohen guilty. And to indite on 34 counts means there must be tons of evidence. So ya dosent look good for him. You never know with the fucker though. He'll be fingerprinted and have his mug shot taken when hes taken in. I wonder will the mug shot get out.
Glenn Beck: "Donald Trump is not even a person anymore... HE IS A SYMBOL.. He is a symbol of the AVERAGE EVERYDAY GUY that keeps getting screwed every single time."
I copied that from some MAGA personality's twitter; the caps are his. But there it is anyway, restated and repackaged the HUGEST lie behind the entire Trump machine, that he is a symbol of the average everyday guy. Trump, Donald Trump, a symbol of the average everyday guy. If you can get someone to buy that, you know you can get them to buy just about fucking anything you come up with. And that is what has been done and will continue to be done with all the MAGA heads. And where did he say this? Last night on Tucker Carlson's show. I mean, who needs conspiracies when you've millions of people who lap it up when you literally spit your contempt at their lack of proper education right in their fucking faces?
Interestingly enough america is starting to pick up in relation to the amount of third level graduates it has compared to other countries. It was far behind other countries for years. And as they get better educated the Democrat vote rises.
Maybe, but what matters is a proper primary and secondary education. For everyone. Free.
Justice for Trump!!!! FREE HIM!!!!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 31, 2023, 02:44:26 PMGlenn Beck: "Donald Trump is not even a person anymore... HE IS A SYMBOL.. He is a symbol of the AVERAGE EVERYDAY GUY that keeps getting screwed every single time."
Whatever he is, it ain't that
So I googled stormy Daniels for a gander
Next I imagined how bad it'd be looking at Donald trump riding that ropey bird
Thank god my wife has just asked me to light the fire
For some reason it got me wondering if his mickey is as orange as his face. Get a good mental picture of that.
Quote from: hellfire on April 02, 2023, 05:08:56 PMFor some reason it got me wondering if his mickey is as orange as his face. Get a good mental picture of that.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I'd be very disappointed if it wasn't
I wonder what his pubes look like. Brushed from the ballbag forward maybe?
:laugh:
They have to be
Long, grey and limp, looks like Saruman with a big nose, has to be.
I'd imagine he has stripes painted on either side of him knob. To make it go faster.
Watching this goon's speech and I can't understand how anyone can take him seriously in any way. The inarticulate stream of conscious diarrhoea that spews out of his mouth is brain damaging. Surely the Republicans have a real candidate to put forward. I mean, even just a human in a suit would do. Biden in a red MAGA hat!
Jesus, he is a fucking disgrace. What baffles me is how un-conservative he is and how so much of the conservative contingent lap up his anarchy. He undermines government, police, FBI... I mean what is he actually for? Is he running his campaign on pure revenge? Fuck me, the idea of another 4 years of having to hear about this cunt everyday melts me.
I've never heard him sound so unhinged, and he's still ahead of DeSantis. Even the Democrat talking heads are saying that he's more popular now than he was yesterday. That fucking country's a joke.
He's the embodiment of the yeehaw spirit of Bo and Luke Duke in a suit, for many of them, sticking it to The Man, so they lap his shit up. He's a crook, of course, but they're told he's done nothin' against them, never meanin' no harm and all that, even though he is the fucking swamp they want to drain.
Take their phones away and none of this would be possible, even with Fox spewing their twisted shite. It's a live lesson in the power of propaganda.
The spirit of every individual Trump voter, from the poorest to the richest, rolled into one individual:
https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1643090302410936323
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 05, 2023, 08:28:54 AMThe spirit of every individual Trump voter, from the poorest to the richest, rolled into one individual:
https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1643090302410936323
Oh, I've only just happened to see this morning that this was over some kind of marketing thing between Bud Light and some transgender celebrity? That makes it worse; it was mildly amusing when I thought it was just over Bud Light being piss-poor beer :laugh:
No, light beer is clearly a manly beverage but, when you have a man who's a woman... gurrrrdang it, now he's all confused and shit and that makes Kid Rock angry. Take that, you goddam commie cans!!!
It's quite the thought process. I am not comfortable with transgenderism, therefore I will express this frustration by taking a gun and shooting cans of low quality beer and make a video of this event available to boost my popularity among my peers. I'll wager there are some uncomfortable Nascar drivers hoping the cunt doesn't come to any races.
Beverage pretending to be beer endorses man pretending to be a woman.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Yeah it's pisswater, with or without transsexuals
Had a day drinking that stuff after a christening a few years ago, probably 7 or 8 hours' worth at my cousin's house (I wouldn't have gone for it myself). Perfectly fine the following morning, no sign of drink taken. It really is just pisswater.
Budweiser, Coors and the like are for people who hate the taste of a beer but want a beer. Utter fucking pish.
Throwing the rockshore into the mix there as well. The most watery of them all
$787.5m
That's a spicy meatball. Shame the scummy lying fucks don't have to testify in court, though.
Yeah, it's bullshit, and I think the shareholders are going to make everyone chip in, but that just won't be the same as them having to testify under oath and on camera in front of the nation. Ridiculous that accountability boils down to a private company pursuing its own private interests, and once they're happy with the outcome for themselves, it's all golden in the eyes of the law. Air time blackout sentences, that's what I'd like to see. That'd stir up a sense of accountability in folk pretty fast.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on April 18, 2023, 10:55:34 PM$787.5m
That's a spicy meatball. Shame the scummy lying fucks don't have to testify in court, though.
Aye. Would have been gold to see Tucker and Hannity in the witness stand.
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 06, 2023, 05:22:41 PMBudweiser, Coors and the like are for people who hate the taste of a beer but want a beer. Utter fucking pish.
Almost all mass produced lager is a poor choice given what's available. A warm can of tennents the morning after a post Celtic match session in Glasgow is the lowest of the low, that I've had and all and anyways.
Sounds like you've never tasted Karpaskie it's offensive to taste buds.
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2023, 02:42:37 PMSounds like you've never tasted Karpaskie it's offensive to taste buds.
Hackenburg. A truly awful beer.
Quote from: hellfire on April 19, 2023, 02:42:37 PMSounds like you've never tasted Karpaskie it's offensive to taste buds.
Karpackie is the grandest, it's so grand I named a band after it lol
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 19, 2023, 03:40:39 PMHackenburg. A truly awful beer.
Yeah it's very bad I wouldn't even go for it when it used to get good deals a few years back.
It's all Prazsky and Tuborg for me lately on the cheap can side, since they are pretty much the best tasting of the cheap bunch. When I have extra cash (who the fuck does nowadays, I am perpetually broke lately) I'll get a few various Hells, Spaten, and a couple of Lech Radlers out of the Polonez. Good tack
Tucker Carlson has quit Fox with immediate effect. Avoiding being asked for his share of the 787 mil? :laugh: Will be interesting to see what he turns his particular, erm, skills to next.
I heard he's turning his back on evil and is starting an agency where people with two last names, like him, pair up with people with two first names, like David James, to trade and get normal names so they can participate fully in society without fear of being ostracised and made fun of, the source of his self-loathing which set him on the path to hate in the first place.
:laugh: Outstanding.
Don Lemon just got fired by CNN :laugh:
Yeah, not clear whether Carlson was also outright fired, and if so over what. Odd he won't have a final "goodbye" on Fox. Anyway, here he is delivering a Manichean good versus evil word salad that wouldn't have been out of place in the middle ages but definitely would, despite what he claims, have been very much out of place in ancient Athens. Just ask Socrates as he drank the conium!
https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/status/1650543460057853963
Either way, the narrative being spun by his supporters is very much "Fox was holding him back!" And judging by other recent outside-of-Fox appearances, that's the kind of narrative he's going for himself. Holding him back from, for example, saying what he really thought about the election? :laugh:
Looks like it's not just big tech that wants him gone
bidenlaptopmedia.com is supposedly a thing now but it doesn't seem to work
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1667695593433571332
"It's amazing how strongly people feel about [transgenderism]. I talk about cutting taxes, people go like that [mimes unenthusiastic clapping], I talk about transgender everybody goes crazy. Five years ago you didn't know what the hell it was."
I wonder if even Trump understands the socio-political implications of this truism. His MAGA army certainly don't.
Taxes affect everyone. Transgenderism will hardly ever affect you. Christ its never affected me outside seeing some transgender people in a nightclub. Like who gives a fuck. Obviously plenty of plenty of people do. Maybe they're online too much. Getting triggered over lgbt campaigns. What fucking age are ya. Over there it's about "owning the libs" rather than actually issues that affect your life like jobs, education, welfare and taxes. But no, own the fucking libs. Absolute horseshit.
That's a good point, it certainly doesn't affect me anyway. Not joining in on that preferred pronouns lark or any of it but I've also yet to meet anyone who insisted upon them anyway. I just ask people their name and then call them that. So yeah it's a great distraction from things that actually do affect almost everyone, like so many other things. The trick is to stay on the government for all the other things though and that hardly ever happens
It is a good point. I've been in Germany twice in the last two years and saw very few Arabs around, even though the place is meant to be swamped with them. I asked one lad in a kebab shop where he was from having already asked him for the spicy sauce and he goes 'Iraq, Iraq yes yes, Saddam Hussein Saddam Hussein' which I enjoyed. I hate the corporate gay pride shit, but here in a super gay friendly city, if you stay out of Chueca district or don't stumble into the parade itself, it's not exactly in your face.
Maybe lads, myself included, should stop watching YouTube videos or reading opinionated 'influencer' arseholes in twitter and just get on with it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 14, 2023, 04:34:21 PMMaybe lads, myself included, should stop watching YouTube videos or reading opinionated 'influencer' arseholes in twitter and just get on with it.
I used to be on Twitter a load years ago and the rest of it. Since I left that fucking hole of a site im far better off. As u say since i got on with it I'm in a far better place.
So who reckons Donny is going to to it in November? I think he's going to be the second guy to serve two terms non consecutively.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 20, 2024, 02:28:14 PMSo who reckons Donny is going to to it in November? I think he's going to be the second guy to serve two terms non consecutively.
Inflation is coming down and the economy is going along ok. If the economy is doing well it's a small advantage for the incumbent.
Trump's weakness is he dosent appeal to the floating voter. If he had any cop on he'd try to get some floating voters and would be a shoo in then. But he'll just play to his base which like the last time probably wont be enough to get him in. Then again its America. Anything could happen.
Democrats will have to put someone other than Biden forward if they want to retain the white house. If it's Biden vs Trump again, my money would be on the latter. Gaza is going to haunt Biden possibly even more than Iraq haunted GW Bush, so even if he finally cops on and obliges Bibi to wrap things up, which doesn't look likely, he'd really need to pull a miracle out of the bag to get his approval rating up again (currently lowest of any president since... GW Bush!) between now and next election.
I think Biden has had his chips tbh. He was up against it in many ways from the off, coming out the other side of covid and now Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine will hurt him because it's symbolic of people having no money but throwing it at those. Who is running anyway? Trump, Rfk, Biden... is that Vivek lad going for it as well or will he be on the ticket with Trump? It's a sad state of affairs really that they have such a bad choice over there but then we know how that feels too. It's all very south park piece of shit v piece of shit isn't it
The man in 82 years old so you've got to look at his vice president and think she could very likely end up getting a run at it if Biden doesn't make it.
I just enjoy watching the car crash of a thing so love Trump. RfK is too against the establishment to get it. He'd no doubt follow in the family tradition.
Wonder if all the people giving out that Biden was too old when he was running are going to say anything about Trump since he'll be the same age
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 20, 2024, 06:32:13 PMThe man in 82 years old so you've got to look at his vice president and think she could very likely end up getting a run at it if Biden doesn't make it.
Surely not! She is absolutely chronic. A diversity pick if ever there was one
Quote from: Trev on January 20, 2024, 06:59:36 PMWonder if all the people giving out that Biden was too old when he was running are going to say anything about Trump since he'll be the same age
No. Because he's not senile when the other lad obviously is. It's not his age, it's his obvious senility and puppet potential. This isn't coming from any sort of trump supporting angle either, but sometimes one has to put aside the identity politics and call a spade a spade.
"Hey kids, do you like socialism, acceptance of queers and treating people of different colours and creeds equally??"
"Well then vote for this senile old man who was racist until he was told not to and isn't sure what room he's currently in"
Fuckin seriously like
Edit:
"And don't forget his wonderful vp who has never done a single thing of note other than suckling on a few old crinkly white dicks to get up the ladder, and is an obvious retard "
Yay, ticket of the century right there
Ah there was plenty of Republicans just saying it was going to be terrible having a president in his early 80s finishing his term, without mentioning his obvious mental deficiencies. But either way:
QuoteWe'll have an economy based on wind. I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. I've studied it better than anybody. I know it's very expensive. They're made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none. But they're manufactured tremendous — if you're into this — tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint — fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it's in China, Germany, it's going into the air. It's our air, their air, everything — right? So they make these things and then they put them up.
Yeah, Trump isn't going senile at all...
Fact is they're both shit and shows what a car crash of a country the US is
Quote from: Trev on January 20, 2024, 07:31:40 PMAh there was plenty of Republicans just saying it was going to be terrible having a president in his early 80s finishing his term, without mentioning his obvious mental deficiencies. But either way:
QuoteWe'll have an economy based on wind. I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. I've studied it better than anybody. I know it's very expensive. They're made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none. But they're manufactured tremendous — if you're into this — tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint — fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it's in China, Germany, it's going into the air. It's our air, their air, everything — right? So they make these things and then they put them up.
Yeah, Trump isn't going senile at all...
Fact is they're both shit and shows what a car crash of a country the US is
Like I said, it's the south park election. Under no circumstances would I be coming out in support of trump ever either
Quote from: Trev on January 20, 2024, 07:31:40 PMFact is they're both shit and shows what a car crash of a country the US is
Yup. And the upcoming UK election also sees shit pitted against shit. Showing how that country is somehow still managing to be a bigger and bigger shitshow all the time.
Are there any countries that aren't a shitshow these days?
DeSantis officially gone so it's more or less clear for Trump now.
Do they have nobody but those two? Three hundred million people and those are the best ones.
Unfuckingreal. Make America spasticated again :laugh: another 4 years of that cunt and all the bullshit from every quarter that comes with him. I don't know who is more painful to listen to, his enemies or his supporters. All equally fucking unbearable in their own ways.
Quote from: hellfire on January 22, 2024, 05:46:09 AMDo they have nobody but those two? Three hundred million people and those are the best ones.
The greatest democracy on Earth apparently :-X
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1754871593354825846?t=vApwzvp78WQdwG0eR28Ygw&s=19
Fucking hell he's gone. How is that lad running a country in that condition? The simple answer is that he isn't but they could at least make a better show of having a puppet president like make it a small bit less obvious lads
Is this the Mitterand instead of Macron being German instead of French? :laugh:
The worst thing about it is that the alternative is Donald fucking trump
As everyone says over and over...300 million people and this is the two people have to choose between?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/08/biden-special-counsel-report-key-takeaways
QuoteReport damning about Biden's memory
Hur acidly describes Biden, in an interview the president sat for with him, as presenting himself as "a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" who would probably behave the same with a jury, thereby sowing "reasonable doubt" and a sense that Biden made "an innocent mistake" in keeping the documents. Hur said Biden couldn't remember exactly when he was vice-president and asked Hur, and couldn't recall "even within a few years" when his older son, Beau, died (2015).
At what point exactly are the Democrats going to stop fucking about and put forward a new candidate? :laugh:
On a human level I feel sorry for Biden. He should be at home with a cuppa, not jetting around the world.
They're just handing the White house to Trump.
Although, looking back at some of the G7 2021 photos this morning... maybe it was just an honest mistake??
Jon Stewart's return to The Daily Show for the electoral campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpBPm0b9deQ
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 09, 2024, 09:09:42 AMThey're just handing the White house to Trump.
As much as he appears to be declining, it's still incredibly difficult to unseat an incumbent. Usually they have to be actively harmful, like Trump. Biden may be doddery, but he's not actively turning people against each other. That said, if he wins it will be on the strength of a vote to keep Trump out, rather than vote Biden in.
Interestingly there's a guy in America who has correctly predicted every president for the last 40yrs. His name is Allen Lichtman and he's a professor who's devised this system for predicting the election based on having 13 'keys'. Whoever has the most keys in their favour wins the election. Being the current incumbent is one of the big ones. He is currently predicting a Biden win. Here's the WIKI explaining his system: 13 Keys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_to_the_White_House#:~:text=the%201984%20election.-,The%20thirteen%20keys,predicted%20to%20win%20the%20election.)
EDIT: it appears he got one wrong in the last 40yrs, the 2000 election
Quote from: Mooncat on February 15, 2024, 06:19:45 PMQuote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 09, 2024, 09:09:42 AMThey're just handing the White house to Trump.
As much as he appears to be declining, it's still incredibly difficult to unseat an incumbent. Usually they have to be actively harmful, like Trump. Biden may be doddery, but he's not actively turning people against each other. That said, if he wins it will be on the strength of a vote to keep Trump out, rather than vote Biden in.
Interestingly there's a guy in America who has correctly predicted every president for the last 40yrs. His name is Allen Lichtman and he's a professor who's devised this system for predicting the election based on having 13 'keys'. Whoever has the most keys in their favour wins the election. Being the current incumbent is one of the big ones. He is currently predicting a Biden win. Here's the WIKI explaining his system: 13 Keys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_to_the_White_House#:~:text=the%201984%20election.-,The%20thirteen%20keys,predicted%20to%20win%20the%20election.)
EDIT: it appears he got one wrong in the last 40yrs, the 2000 election
Surely he could only win against trump and no-one else because he's obviously senile and if he wasn't such a piece of shit I'd feel sorry for him.
I'm genuinely not looking forward to US election time
Quote from: Mooncat on February 15, 2024, 06:19:45 PMEDIT: it appears he got one wrong in the last 40yrs, the 2000 election
That's still a pretty good streak
AI goes to war:
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
A long read but going through the first few paragraphs I had a couple of thoughts.. (I'll certainly read the second half later because it's fascinating in a horrifying way)
Firstly, if we're hearing about it now it's likely been in use somewhere already and second of all, the Hamas lads really shouldn't have gotten up to that October 7th thing because what the fuck was that supposed to achieve other than exactly what did happen, which was the strongest possible retaliation? Anyway that's all I'll be saying about the whole conflict because it's all just too much to be getting into and hopefully either Hamas will surrender or Israel will be pressured into a ceasefire so that civilians can stop dying but I don't see either happening tbh.
Bringing it back on topic, I wonder would this while thing be playing out any differently were Trump the president? He'll of course say it would, but I seriously doubt that too.
I won't be getting into details of the war on here, but since this specific tech angle has further reaching implications, I thought I'd share it. No idea if similar tech has been used elsewhere previously; Israel is a cutting edge research hub and AI is developing in ways and at speeds that are making paradigm-shifting novelty almost banal.
Biden is very pro-Israel, manifestly, but Trump and the Republican party are on another level. I recommend again this documentary, Praying For Armageddon, that I posted in the documentaries thread. Al Jazeera have it split into 2 episodes on their YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhT7oyDlBIk (both eps are good, but the 2nd one in particular will give some answers to your question).
I'll get a look at that soon enough but whatever it says, I feel like Trump will use that war to score points in some way running up to election time. Actually speaking of the whole AI thing in general, I could see that being used in many ways by both parties coming up to the election, to influence things candidates say by scraping social media for opinion or using it to sway things on it. Not that I don't think that's been done already either but I'd imagine AI will really accelerate things there.
Crazy times ahead really. Could probably cross over into the Fucked Thread too with all that
I recommend clicking on the who funded this video link in the video.
You mean that Al Jazeera is Qatari or something about the documentary itself (which wasn't made by AJ)?
Al Jazeera is funded in whole or in part by the Qatari government
Aye, and fair cop to keep it in mind, as with any state-affiliated media. But like I said, they're just broadcasting this documentary, weren't involved with the making of it last year. It makes sense they picked it up though; it's of obvious interest to an Arabic audience, being about non-negligeable US powers whose core moral will is to literally usher in the flesh and blood Second Coming of Christ, Book of Revelations Armageddon. In the biblical Middle East. I mean, it's a pretty compelling subject: militarized mythology!
You'd swear it was for a bet, I was scrolling through twitter yesterday and seeing posts from accounts I don't follow saying trump would have handled the war in Palestine differently as well as some stuff about the biblical prophecies coming to pass there and how Trump is such an important spoke of that particular wheel, and even one saying he is the biblical antichrist. Mad stuff that I shouldn't have clicked into and read because I'm going to have to watch some amount of videos of cats and fails to get the algorithm to ease up on the US election propaganda cleverly disguised as insane Bible related prophecy stuff.
As to the State sponsored media thing, I would have the same level of trust in Al Jazeera or RT as I would in RTE or BBC, ie that I'd just about believe the sports coverage on them and the rest must be considered propaganda. Sometimes when watching stuff from the conflicting state propaganda arms from both perspectives I'd get some loose idea of the actual story or that there's more than one way of looking at things but mostly I give up.
I'll have to find the opinion I came across about the Israeli lads using the ai for targets. I'll edit it in if I do but just to show how polarised things are rather than to make any particular point about the war I won't talk about.
Bit of a tangent here, but I was saying to a lad yesterday that the EU has gotten itself into a bit of a tight spot now, with lauding the US as good guys for funding the war effort in Ukraine but not so much for funding the Israeli efforts in Palestine. Maybe Von der Leyen of the ridiculous blue and yellow outfits should have shut her fucking mouth or the EU have stayed away from the wartime rhetoric when it comes to countries not in the EU and just said they were in support of peace talks altogether? Handicap. Never voting for her again.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 05, 2024, 08:54:48 AMI'll have to find the opinion I came across about the Israeli lads using the ai for targets. I'll edit it in if I do but just to show how polarised things are rather than to make any particular point about the war I won't talk about.
I didn't see anything much about the AI thing. Surely better targeting means less bystander and more terrorist per kilo of explosive? Does anyone remember those bunker buster bombs from the first Gulf War? Jaysus those were amazing. They'd go past anything military to hit a school. Mind of their own. Bastard things could find an orphanage from 1000 km away.
The AI thing:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 03, 2024, 11:17:19 PMAI goes to war:
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
The question was aimed at astfgyl. I'm sure 972mag.com is great craic but I've seen more credible looking phishing sites.
I actually thought similar when I first came across it with one of their earlier investigations, but it is legit:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/972-magazine/
At the very least, you'll find out within how AI isn't necessarily used to make targeting more precise. Notably, you can tweak the margin of non-target kills you'll allow in order to widen the spectrum of locations you can fire on to get the target. As your margin of non-target kills goes up, so does your choice of locations.
Sounds more efficient than giving soldiers nuanced instructions. These types of decisions have been made in every conflict on one level or another. That's assuming it works, which it most likely does if they're using it.
That was pretty much the idea of the counter I was reading, that for every 2.5 casualties, 1 militant would bite the dust. Then that was compared to other conflicts as being fairly good value for money. Just goes to show how differently it's viewed depending on perspective.
The ratio is a black box to the public at the moment. The IDF make declarations about how many combatants they've killed (11 to 13,000) but will reveal neither how they arrive at that figure nor what their own estimates of civilian deaths are. At the ICJ, Israel's team made no attempt to contest either the overall death toll, or the proportion of that which is women and children, as presented by the prosecution as part of their case. So either that death toll more or less matches their own projections, or else their own projections, which they refuse to share, are even worse. Which is likely, since even the US State Department has stated since mid-November that the figures given by Hamas (who, their barbarism notwithstanding, are a lot shrewder in how they do propaganda than Israel) are more likely an under- than an over-count. Long story short; beyond closed doors, no one has any clear idea what the actual civilian to combatant kill ratio is at this point.
Israel puts far more effort into avoiding civilian deaths than any other army. Leaflet drops, texts and flares a day before. All of these measures give their enemies a heads up too and make the strikes less effective. Still, they persist. The AI thing is just another measure. The IDF is held to a human rights standard that has never been applied to any other country in history. It was telling at the start that the cries of ethnic cleansing and such started before a shot was fired.
All that "told" is that people who've been paying attention to the situation for decades knew what Hamas' Oct 7 attack was going to be used to justify in terms of attacks against Gazan civilians. It's not coincidence it turned out they were right. More "telling" was that the Religious Zionists in the Knesset (Smotrich, Ben-Gvir, etc.) and certain IDF mouthpieces started their cries for ethnic cleansing just as quickly. Also "telling" is that Netanyahu had been encouraging and fueling Hamas for years precisely because they are violent extremists, precisely in order to render any peaceful route to a two-state solution, say with the Palestinian Authority, impossible. And more telling still is that in Israel this was spoken about as early as Oct 8, yet it took until this week for western mainstream media to start challenging IDF mouthpieces on it and its ramifications:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
In short, and utterly unambiguously, Netanyahu and his cronies are more responsible for Hamas' level of power than any of the thousands of civilians (whatever the actual number) killed or maimed by the IDF in retribution in the last 6 months. So, no, they haven't put any particular "effort" into avoiding civilian deaths. Leaflets are cheap and easy deniability propaganda, but largely useless. If they wanted to avoid civilian deaths, if they cared about Palestinian lives, they would have reacted to October 7 by 1) properly securing the border they left vulnerable to such a breach despite long-standing and more recent warnings from both their own sentries and Egyptian intelligence, 2) agreeing to a hostage exchange, something along the lines of a few high profile political prisoners along with every Palestinian held in administrative detention (i.e. held without charge, over a thousand of them prior to Oct 7) for all the Israeli hostages, 3) once that was done, finally and fully choking Hamas' access to funding, and 4) putting Bibi and his Knesset co-conspirators on trial.
Quote from: hellfire on April 06, 2024, 09:52:39 AMIsrael puts far more effort into avoiding civilian deaths than any other army. Leaflet drops, texts and flares a day before. All of these measures give their enemies a heads up too and make the strikes less effective. Still, they persist. The AI thing is just another measure. The IDF is held to a human rights standard that has never been applied to any other country in history. It was telling at the start that the cries of ethnic cleansing and such started before a shot was fired.
Tell that to the 3 Isrseli hostages they shot dead who were bare chested whilst carrying white cloths. They don't give the first flying fuck about civilian deaths. There's multiple videos out there of them shooting people walking on streets.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 06, 2024, 10:48:47 AMAll that "told" is that people who've been paying attention to the situation for decades knew what Hamas' Oct 7 attack was going to be used to justify in terms of attacks against Gazan civilians. It's not coincidence it turned out they were right. More "telling" was that the Religious Zionists in the Knesset (Smotrich, Ben-Gvir, etc.) and certain IDF mouthpieces started their cries for ethnic cleansing just as quickly. Also "telling" is that Netanyahu had been encouraging and fueling Hamas for years precisely because they are violent extremists, precisely in order to render any peaceful route to a two-state solution, say with the Palestinian Authority, impossible. And more telling still is that in Israel this was spoken about as early as Oct 8, yet it took until this week for western mainstream media to start challenging IDF mouthpieces on it and its ramifications:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
In short, and utterly unambiguously, Netanyahu and his cronies are more responsible for Hamas' level of power than any of the thousands of civilians (whatever the actual number) killed or maimed by the IDF in retribution in the last 6 months. So, no, they haven't put any particular "effort" into avoiding civilian deaths. Leaflets are cheap and easy deniability propaganda, but largely useless. If they wanted to avoid civilian deaths, if they cared about Palestinian lives, they would have reacted to October 7 by 1) properly securing the border they left vulnerable to such a breach despite long-standing and more recent warnings from both their own sentries and Egyptian intelligence, 2) agreeing to a hostage exchange, something along the lines of a few high profile political prisoners along with every Palestinian held in administrative detention (i.e. held without charge, over a thousand of them prior to Oct 7) for all the Israeli hostages, 3) once that was done, finally and fully choking Hamas' access to funding, and 4) putting Bibi and his Knesset co-conspirators on trial.
100% agree with ya on this one man, correct and proper.
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 06, 2024, 12:19:00 PMQuote from: hellfire on April 06, 2024, 09:52:39 AMIsrael puts far more effort into avoiding civilian deaths than any other army. Leaflet drops, texts and flares a day before. All of these measures give their enemies a heads up too and make the strikes less effective. Still, they persist. The AI thing is just another measure. The IDF is held to a human rights standard that has never been applied to any other country in history. It was telling at the start that the cries of ethnic cleansing and such started before a shot was fired.
Tell that to the 3 Isrseli hostages they shot dead who were bare chested whilst carrying white cloths. They don't give the first flying fuck about civilian deaths. There's multiple videos out there of them shooting people walking on streets.
Heaven forbid
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 06, 2024, 12:19:00 PMQuote from: hellfire on April 06, 2024, 09:52:39 AMIsrael puts far more effort into avoiding civilian deaths than any other army. Leaflet drops, texts and flares a day before. All of these measures give their enemies a heads up too and make the strikes less effective. Still, they persist. The AI thing is just another measure. The IDF is held to a human rights standard that has never been applied to any other country in history. It was telling at the start that the cries of ethnic cleansing and such started before a shot was fired.
Tell that to the 3 Isrseli hostages they shot dead who were bare chested whilst carrying white cloths. They don't give the first flying fuck about civilian deaths. There's multiple videos out there of them shooting people walking on streets.
Doesn't change a damn thing. War is undesirable, everyone knows it is. Innocent people are always the first to pay in any armed conflict. They've still made more effort to reduce that than any military in living memory. The standard you hold them to would be laughed at by any other country on earth.
Do you think we don't know the last place we've heard these exact claims? From the mouths of IDF mouthpieces. It is pure propaganda. Ask Russia if they'd like to exchange the standard they're held to by the world order for the standard Israel are held to.
This particular discussion started because they were investing in technology to reduce civilian casualties.
I started this particular discussion by posting an (Israeli) investigation into Israel's use of AI. That investigation in absolutely no way demonstrates that technology is being used to reduce civilian casualties. Quite the opposite.
The investigation you posted consists of a documentary produced for the government of Qatar followed by a blog with a custom URL.
Let's call a spade a spade here. Both of you don't think Israel should exist in its current form at its current location. I think it should. Warbling about the use of a targeting technology won't change that.
The allegations of ethnic cleansing are bollocks. The contention that they're trying stealth ethnic cleansing is laughable. As pointed out before they could have that shithole as clear as the surface of the moon before dinner if they wanted.
Quote from: hellfire on April 06, 2024, 01:23:18 PMThe investigation you posted consists of a documentary produced for the government of Qatar followed by a blog with a custom URL.
Let's call a spade a spade here. Both of you don't think Israel should exist in its current form at its current location. I think it should. Warbling about the use of a targeting technology won't change that.
The allegations of ethnic cleansing are bollocks. The contention that they're trying stealth ethnic cleansing is laughable. As pointed out before they could have that shithole as clear as the surface of the moon before dinner if they wanted.
You're not thick man, so stop acting it with me for a second: As I took pains to explain, the documentary about the influence of Christian Zionism on US foreign policy was made last year and was in no way "produced for" Al Jazeera, no more than Terminator 2 was "produced for" any of the tv stations which have ever broadcast it. I also took pains to explain to you that, despite its appearance, 972mag has a solid reputation for its investigations. If you don't want to look at the details of that investigation, that's more down to things you don't want to consider.
Let's call a spade a spade here? Ok, without going into all the historical details, I believe Israel should exist within the 1967 borders, i.e. in its current form at its current location
minus the illegal settlements throughout the West Bank. My personal leanings would be towards a fully egalitarian binational democratic state covering the entire Israel-Palestine region (something which has famous supporters on each side; Edward Saïd, Gideon Levy...), but this is more pie in the sky than ever now.
Israel may be poor at propaganda, but they're not idiots: if they'd flash carpet-bombed (in the strict sense) Gaza then no one, not even the US, could have defended them. So they did the best they could, and very large parts of Gaza
are as clear as the surface of the moon now. The close to 1.5 million displaced from North Gaza have no homes to return to. None. There is nothing left. And what have Knesset ministers been suggesting? Let Europe take them in! Let Egypt take them in! In other words; get them
out of Gaza so we can resettle it. Go review the case that was presented before the ICJ, look at the quotes on strategy and objectives to "thin" the population as much as possible.
Any maybe also reflect on the implications for you, of all people, to be on the same side as the likes of Von Der Leyen and Biden on this affair.
I don't even know if the should exist there part comes into it at all really, because whatever the answer to that, the fact is that it is there now. I wouldn't be getting into that in any more detail because it's beyond what I'd know about the history there.
As to the current situation?
Hamas:
Can anyone tell me what they think Hamas hoped to achieve with the Oct 7th attacks, and does anyone here condone those attacks, having seen the various video clips doing the rounds?
Does anyone here think that Hamas didn't expect a response, and what do we think would happen differently?
Also, isn't one of Hamas' stated aims to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and would that be classed as ethnic cleansing were they to achieve said aim?
Israel:
Does anyone think that Israel weren't already itching for an opportunity like this, and were likely as happy to get the chance as they were aggrieved for the innocent victims?
Does anyone think that Israel hasn't been putting the boot into Palestine since before we'd ever heard of the place?
Does anyone think that what has been done to the people of Palestine for decades could be construed as crimes against humanity?
Does anyone think if Israel were to pull out tomorrow and go back to defending the border that Hamas would then sit down for peace talks and a two state solution?
Concerning Both:
What does anyone think both sides should do at this point in time?
Should Hamas surrender and turn themselves in, in order to prevent further civilian casualties in Palestine?
Should Israel stop the bombardment, in order to prevent further civilian casualties in Palestine?
Should Israel keep going until they've rooted out every Hamas militant in Palestine, risking short term civilian casualties in the hope of long term peace?
Should Hamas keep going until they finally inflict enough suffering on Israel to make them stop what they're doing?
Anyhow, the point of the questions here isn't really to get anyone to answer and more to point out why I really can't be getting into arguments about this war because it's all very complex and involves religious, territorial and ethnic differences that are above my station altogether if I want to to do anything else with my time at all other than study it. It's also so polarising that even I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
Best of luck with arguing it all out though
Let me repeat one point which simply scrubs half of those points off the board: Hamas are a violent extremist group who Netanyahu & Co, for that very reason, have integrated into their plans to circumvent Palestinian statehood for around two decades now, allowing funding to get to Hamas even after the Palestinian Authority had cut them off in hopes that it would kill them off. So paint Hamas as badly as you like (and it's very easy to do so), but with every further atrocity attributed to them, Netanyahu & Co's guilt increases also.
A return to the 1967 borders will achieve nothing. Same issue with different lines on maps. They've been offered the '67 borders and refused them. From the river to the sea I believe is the demand. The settlements are an embarrassment, they pulled a lot of them out forcibly but I'm sure they could pull more out. You overblow that members of the Knesset bit gigantically. A couple of hard line politicians got reprimanded for saying let Europe and Egypt take them. Your claim that they are trying to clear out the people and are unable to is a joke. The population of the West Bank has been increasing steadily for years. In order to believe the ethnic cleansing crap you'd have to assume the IDF was run by Wile E. Coyote.
They have no intention of pulling out more of the settlements:
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240326-israel-s-largest-land-seizure-since-oslo-accords-deals-fresh-blow-to-palestinian-statehood
It's irrelevant to the charge of ethnic cleansing that the overall Palestinian population of the West Bank is growing; they are being forcibly evicted from their lands (one of the things that usually resonates with us Irish by means of our own history) to be replaced by Israeli settlers. That is ethnic cleansing.
I'm bored with you now. Off to watch a western.
Quote from: hellfire on April 06, 2024, 01:23:18 PMLet's call a spade a spade here. Both of you don't think Israel should exist in its current form at its current location. I think it should.
Put words into your own mouth. I never said a damn thing about Israel existing. I'm all for a 2 state solution. Israel could have gone after Hamas for years and destroyed its apparatus. But they went the destroy all of fucking gaza option. That's what I have a problem with.
And as an aside. If they really wanted to go after Hamas why haven't they gone after the leadership in Qatar.
Why don't they invade Qatar :laugh: How exactly should they have gone after Hamas? What method of dealing with them would have been acceptable to you? Give me the Oilkiller solution as to how Israel should proceed.
They'll get it in the neck no matter what they do. If they had been in the west bank they're occupiers, when they left it alone they weren't dealing with Hamas. As I said, the two state solution has been rejected completely every time it was offered. If it was offered again tomorrow it would also be rejected.
Quote from: hellfire on April 06, 2024, 03:59:56 PMWhy don't they invade Qatar :laugh: How exactly should they have gone after Hamas? What method of dealing with them would have been acceptable to you? Give me the Oilkiller solution as to how Israel should proceed.
They'll get it in the neck no matter what they do. If they had been in the west bank they're occupiers, when they left it alone they weren't dealing with Hamas. As I said, the two state solution has been rejected completely every time it was offered. If it was offered again tomorrow it would also be rejected.
Never said invade Qatar. I meant take out the hamas leadership who live it up in Qatar. Like Israel has taken out its opponenets in Europe in the last few decades.Laying waste to gaza is not going after hamas. It's going after the Palestinian people. It's a cluster fuck of a region. A two state solution is the only way forward. It could take decades but hopefully some day it'll happen.
I'll try not to clutter up the questions. How should Israel have dealt with Hamas? How should they deal with them going forward? What would be or have been acceptable to you personally?
Netanyahu has regularly declared with pride that
he is to be thanked for preventing Palestine achieving statehood. See this example from 2015 where he declares that is what he will do. It also, given that at this point he had already been helping Hamas along for years, reveals in retrospect just how politically Machiavellian he was being: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-no-palestinian-state-under-my-watch/
QuotePrime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday said a Palestinian state would not be established on his watch, should he be reelected, in part because he warned that any areas that came under Palestinian rule would subsequently become a Hamas stronghold.
So the idea the failure of the two-state solution all boils down to the Palestinians rejecting offers is something else folk should add to the list of Israeli perspectives that need serious nuancing in order to align them with other nevertheless evident facts.
Quote from: hellfire on April 06, 2024, 04:35:06 PMI'll try not to clutter up the questions. How should Israel have dealt with Hamas? How should they deal with them going forward? What would be or have been acceptable to you personally?
Right. So what they've done is displace 1.5 million people and destroy vast swathes of Gaza killing thousands of innocent women and children. All counter productive. Here Hamas. Here's your fighters for the next 20 years. Along with knowing what the israeli respinse would be bringing condemnation around the world that's what I believe Hamas wanted to achieve with Oct 07th.
For what Israel should have done. The long game. Identify every fucker in Hamas and no matter where in the world they were take the fuckers out. And they could have done that easily. And that would involve strikes in Gaza. I get that. But not what has occurred over the last few months. That's just as evil as what Hamas did.
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 06, 2024, 04:48:23 PMQuote from: hellfire on April 06, 2024, 04:35:06 PMI'll try not to clutter up the questions. How should Israel have dealt with Hamas? How should they deal with them going forward? What would be or have been acceptable to you personally?
Right. So what they've done is displace 1.5 million people and destroy vast swathes of Gaza killing thousands of innocent women and children. All counter productive. Here Hamas. Here's your fighters for the next 20 years. Along with knowing what the israeli respinse would be bringing condemnation around the world that's what I believe Hamas wanted to achieve with Oct 07th.
For what Israel should have done. The long game. Identify every fucker in Hamas and no matter where in the world they were take the fuckers out. And they could have done that easily. And that would involve strikes in Gaza. I get that. But not what has occurred over the last few months. That's just as evil as what Hamas did.
What you suggest there is sensible and undoubtedly motivated by a desire to stop the non-combatant experiencing any more than a bare minimum of suffering. We agree on that much. In practicality it has no chance of working. Israeli assassinations carried out in countries that aren't within their sphere of influence (the proverbial river to the sea) would start a number of wars or one great big one. If there is one thing that the October 7th attacks proved conclusively it's that Israeli intelligence in these areas isn't anywhere near the standard to identify each individual Hamas member. Even if they successfully achieved the impossible Hamas would just claim they were all civilians and that the Israelis are mad dog killers. In practicality it would result in years of sniper attacks and heavy surveillance in the area. A ground occupation by any other name. It also ignores the Gaza metro. Thousands of miles of tunnels which were used to sneak the fighters and supplies around for October 7th. It's also worth noting that if the other side ever gain the upper hand the promised war of extermination will happen.
Assuming they had done exactly as you suggested there would still be claims of genocide, ethnic cleansing and such. There would have been zero effect on the operational capability of Hamas whatsoever and they'd they'd turn the events of October 7th into a quarterly event. As you were courteous enough to lay your cards on the table here are mine:
Hamas needs to be removed, militarily. A government needs to be in place. Not a puppet government put in by Israel or America, a government that has a mandate from the people of Gaza and the West Bank. The international community can easily force such a referendum. The whole place is funded by foreign donations. The EU and Ireland have even sank a nice few pound into it. These donations need to be witheld pending an election. Aid depending on reform is not a new concept. The only way to supervise such an election would be to have other Arab states involved in overseeing it. Only with the people properly represented is a negotiation even worth attending. Dragging this river to the sea nonsense about the place needs to stop. They're not getting it in this century and acting like it is a realistic possibility drags out the conflict. Agreement will never be reached with Islamic militants. The international community needs to stop propping up and deluding these assholes into thinking they will get what they want.
Israel knew far, far more about October 7 before it happened than they are willing to publicly let on. And though Hamas leadership have said in their own war speak (from a safe and secure distance) that they would "do October 7th again and again," this would be impossible in practical terms... unless the IDF again ignored warnings, again left themselves suspiciously (yes, suspiciously) vulnerable to breach, again delayed responding to initial warnings, again killed many of their own through some variant of the Hannibal directive, etc., etc. October 7th wasn't just unprecedented, it was also unrepeatable. Regardless of what they may claim to the contrary, both Hamas and Israel know this full well.
That was addressed to Oilkiller. You'll just spout bollocks for another ten pages drifting from point to point as you're proven wrong. Conversation of opposing views is what would normally happen if you weren't here.
You're the only one who regularly throws their toys out of the pram with silly ad hominems and insults just like that one and "I'm bored of you now." I can only presume you don't realize how much of a child it makes you appear.
October 9th: "Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of 'something big'"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/
November 20th: "The Women Soldiers Who Warned of a Pending Hamas Attack – and Were Ignored"
https://archive.is/W02jL
I can do this, using reputable Israeli sources, for every single statement I've made, so dismiss it as bollocks if you like, but if your intelligence means anything to you, you'd be much better off taking them into consideration.
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 06, 2024, 06:11:33 PMYou're the only one who regularly throws their toys out of the pram with silly ad hominems and insults just like that one and "I'm bored of you now." I can only presume you don't realize how much of a child it makes you appear.
Talking to you is an entirely pointless endeavour. I keep it to a minimum. I'll make a deal with you? I promise to never reply to a single thing you post if you'll do the same? That includes no butting in when I was talking to someone else.
Grow. Up.
I'm serious. It would also improve the off topic section for other users. Pretty sure most don't enjoy seeing me pop off for four pages when four lines would suffice.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 06, 2024, 06:03:45 PMIsrael knew far, far more about October 7 before it happened than they are willing to publicly let on
Ssssh.
Is there anything to be said for another Trump meme??
Quote from: astfgyl on April 06, 2024, 07:22:57 PMIs there anything to be said for another Trump meme??
He propped up 150 mil the last day on bond for the appeal. He's got some dosh at least. Is it 2 or 3 other trials he's involved in. Hard to keep up.
Your missus's must get reeeal wet when they see the Metal Warfare logo on your phone screens :abbath:
World Bank damage assessment. You won't find a more concise, sober, or detached account of the destruction:
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2024/04/02/joint-world-bank-un-report-assesses-damage-to-gaza-s-infrastructure?intcid=ecr_hp_sidekickA_2024-04-02-GazaReport
QuoteAn estimated 26 million tons of debris and rubble have been left in the wake of the destruction, an amount that is estimated to take years to remove.
The report also looks at the impact on the people of Gaza. More than half the population of Gaza is on the brink of famine and the entire population is experiencing acute food insecurity and malnutrition. Over a million people are without homes and 75% of the population is displaced. Catastrophic cumulative impacts on physical and mental health have hit women, children, the elderly, and persons with disabilities the hardest, with the youngest children anticipated to be facing life-long consequences to their development.
With 84% of health facilities damaged or destroyed, and a lack of electricity and water to operate remaining facilities, the population has minimal access to health care, medicine, or life-saving treatments. The water and sanitation system has nearly collapsed, delivering less than 5% of its previous output, with people dependent on limited water rations for survival. The education system has collapsed, with 100% of children out of school.
The report also points to the impact on power networks as well as solar generated systems and the almost total power blackout since the first week of the conflict. With 92% of primary roads destroyed or damaged and the communications infrastructure seriously impaired, the delivery of basic humanitarian aid to people has become very difficult.
Standards Russia is held to by the US vs the standards they hold Israel to:
https://youtu.be/RkwgnlPRdHg?si=iqnU0Nm0_OyMJhC6&t=354
[Have time-stamped video to where this section begins]
This could be repeated for the EU, the UK, Germany, but even, in concrete terms of sanctions (applied against Russia, not against Israel) you can throw in the likes of France and Ireland too. There is no comparison. Don't give an inch to the idea that Israel is being held to higher standards than anybody else.
Saw that earlier. Must say that I've enjoyed the clips of Jon Stewart I've watched since he came back.
Was Stewart not the one who ranted and raved about the Trump civil real-estate case then it was discovered that he did exactly the same thing with his New York penthouse?
Quote from: mickO))) on April 09, 2024, 11:01:16 PMWas Stewart not the one who ranted and raved about the Trump civil real-estate case then it was discovered that he did exactly the same thing with his New York penthouse?
It wasn't quite that in the end. What Stewart did can be criticized I suppose, but the difference is exactly the question of legality:
https://www.newsweek.com/jon-stewart-responds-donald-trump-overvalued-apartment-1884479
QuoteTrump was ordered to pay $454 million in February after New York judge Arthur Engoron concluded that the real estate mogul had inflated his assets to secure bank loans and make business deals.
...
Stewart sold his Tribeca penthouse in 2014 for $17.5 million. At the time, an assessor valued the 6,280-square-foot property at $847,174, a difference of 829 percent. In New York, tax rates are applied to the estimated value of a property, with the penthouse judged to be worth $1.882 million. Stewart did not do anything legally wrong.
:laugh: :laugh: 829% over the worth!?!?! Caveat emptor.
Deep, deep dive into the Knesset and IDF's actions over the last six months from an Israeli professor of history at the Hebrew University:
https://www.academia.edu/112967602/Bearing_Witness_to_the_Israel_Gaza_War_updated_to_15_April_2024_
https://twitter.com/LeeMordechai/status/1780034934444331325
Hopefully, no shade of a joke, he doesn't get himself hospitalized, disappeared, or assassinated for speaking out.
Also maybe of interest to some of ye here, an Israeli neuroscientist colleague (and fellow peacenik) led a huge study investigating how trauma experienced under psychedelics/MDMA is processed, based on interviews and analyses of survivors of the attack on the Supernova festival. These were conducted in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th and I remember well his harrowing day-by-day reports of how emotionally exhausting the process was for everyone involved. Anyway, results were published a few days ago.
The study here:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.28.587237v1
An NYT overview here:
https://archive.is/IE8fA
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 16, 2024, 12:28:03 PMAlso maybe of interest to some of ye here, an Israeli neuroscientist colleague (and fellow peacenik) led a huge study investigating how trauma experienced under psychedelics/MDMA is processed, based on interviews and analyses of survivors of the attack on the Supernova festival. These were conducted in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th and I remember well his harrowing day-by-day reports of how emotionally exhausting the process was for everyone involved. Anyway, results were published a few days ago.
The study here:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.28.587237v1
An NYT overview here:
https://archive.is/IE8fA
That is of interest. Be like Dead Man's Shoes but worse again
Just throwing in an oul Trump here and there to keep the topic alive, as I'm sure big tech are still out to get him20240413_131317.jpg
At this point, too late to announce an alternative candidate, the Democrats best hope might be that Biden dies.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on May 02, 2024, 01:56:44 AMAt this point, too late to announce an alternative candidate, the Democrats best hope might be that Biden dies.
Why, what's he done now?
Just ramping up the things he's allowing to happen on his watch all for the sake of not pulling the plug on Israel, now including police bashing peaceful student protestors and faculty protecting them at some of the US' flagship universities. Think of those universities what we may, the optics couldn't speak louder, especially given the reasons for previous student protests of similar magnitude, all now considered vindicated protests to social or political wrongs: civil rights, Vietnam, South African apartheid. Reckon you'd have to go back to Lyndon Johnson and the Vietnam war to find a time when the Democrat party so poorly reflected the values it likes to pay lip service to.
Looks like it's going to be a messy election. Trump now saying he's going to come after the Bidens if he wins unless he himself is pardoned now. Absolutely shameless. It feels like the tagline for the first AvP film, "Whoever wins, we lose'. Unfortunately for Americans it's their third election in a row like that. We all definitely lose heavier if Trump wins though...
There's a dude around town with a flag saying "Trump was right about everything". Legend.
Quote from: Mooncat on May 02, 2024, 04:27:52 PMLooks like it's going to be a messy election. Trump now saying he's going to come after the Bidens if he wins unless he himself is pardoned now. Absolutely shameless. It feels like the tagline for the first AvP film, "Whoever wins, we lose'. Unfortunately for Americans it's their third election in a row like that. We all definitely lose heavier if Trump wins though...
You couldn't honestly believe at this stage that Biden would be any better than Trump for the next 4 years, surely? I support neither btw, I just think it'd be a joke if it was funny but it's not. State of the whole fuckin lot of it I never thought I'd live to see things go to the level of bullshit that we have these days. A fuckin senile demented oul career politician who was racist back when it was still cool and only got in at all because the alternative was Donald fucking Trump VS Donald Trump.
Holy fucking jaysus has anyone any idea how we actually managed to sink so low as a species
Quote from: astfgyl on May 02, 2024, 10:20:37 PMQuote from: Mooncat on May 02, 2024, 04:27:52 PMLooks like it's going to be a messy election. Trump now saying he's going to come after the Bidens if he wins unless he himself is pardoned now. Absolutely shameless. It feels like the tagline for the first AvP film, "Whoever wins, we lose'. Unfortunately for Americans it's their third election in a row like that. We all definitely lose heavier if Trump wins though...
You couldn't honestly believe at this stage that Biden would be any better than Trump for the next 4 years, surely? I support neither btw, I just think it'd be a joke if it was funny but it's not. State of the whole fuckin lot of it I never thought I'd live to see things go to the level of bullshit that we have these days. A fuckin senile demented oul career politician who was racist back when it was still cool and only got in at all because the alternative was Donald fucking Trump VS Donald Trump.
Holy fucking jaysus has anyone any idea how we actually managed to sink so low as a species
Agreed, but there's one crucial difference you're missing which is what I'm mainly referring too: as shite as they both are Donald Trump, as a political tactic, actually seeks to divide people. He is the root of the modern zeitgeist where everyone is so divided and everything is a left v right argument. He destroyed polite society, popularized and encouraged absolutely shameless disinformation to levels never before seen, emboldened dickheads like him to come out in the open, and introduced a level of absolutely wild upfront unprofessionalism and childishness into politics. Trump had the relationships between people on the ropes and covid delivered the knockout punch. Biden is obviously shite too, but as a public persona he is generally quite vanilla in a more traditional president way. Half-hearted messages of unity are many leagues above what Trump has inspired.
America sinks politically with either, but it sinks socially as well with Trump.
Did you watch the Praying For Armageddon doc yet astfgyl? That might, or might not, alter your perception of just how bad things could get under a second Trump mandate. As difficult as it genuinely is to believe that anyone could do worse than Biden is doing right now, I really don't think it's unwise to at least entertain the possibility that Trump could in fact be significantly worse. And one of the many ironies here is that Netanyahu and his ilk would absolutely love for Trump to get in, for reasons that help to flesh out that potential worst case scenario.
Quote from: Mooncat on May 02, 2024, 10:51:08 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 02, 2024, 10:20:37 PMQuote from: Mooncat on May 02, 2024, 04:27:52 PMLooks like it's going to be a messy election. Trump now saying he's going to come after the Bidens if he wins unless he himself is pardoned now. Absolutely shameless. It feels like the tagline for the first AvP film, "Whoever wins, we lose'. Unfortunately for Americans it's their third election in a row like that. We all definitely lose heavier if Trump wins though...
You couldn't honestly believe at this stage that Biden would be any better than Trump for the next 4 years, surely? I support neither btw, I just think it'd be a joke if it was funny but it's not. State of the whole fuckin lot of it I never thought I'd live to see things go to the level of bullshit that we have these days. A fuckin senile demented oul career politician who was racist back when it was still cool and only got in at all because the alternative was Donald fucking Trump VS Donald Trump.
Holy fucking jaysus has anyone any idea how we actually managed to sink so low as a species
Agreed, but there's one crucial difference you're missing which is what I'm mainly referring too: as shite as they both are Donald Trump, as a political tactic, actually seeks to divide people. He is the root of the modern zeitgeist where everyone is so divided and everything is a left v right argument. He destroyed polite society, popularized and encouraged absolutely shameless disinformation to levels never before seen, emboldened dickheads like him to come out in the open, and introduced a level of absolutely wild upfront unprofessionalism and childishness into politics. Trump had the relationships between people on the ropes and covid delivered the knockout punch. Biden is obviously shite too, but as a public persona he is generally quite vanilla in a more traditional president way. Half-hearted messages of unity are many leagues above what Trump has inspired.
America sinks politically with either, but it sinks socially as well with Trump.
I agree with all of those points re trump but look at the state of Biden as well the rotten little child sniffer
Wonder if he'll now change his slogan to Make McLaren Great Again? :laugh:
Will we see a Macklemore effect in Biden's polling? :laugh:
Not the most amazing rapping in history, but if I was in my teens now, I'd be all over this:
https://twitter.com/macklemore/status/1787616471738368099
What's the crossover between Macklemore fans and Biden voters? I wouldn't have a clue about Macklemore at all or what he usually writes about. Is he suggesting people vote for trump instead I wonder?
I mentioned it here a while back but I'm finding it mildly amusing the disconnect between lauding Biden for supporting the Ukraine efforts and condemning him for supporting the Israeli efforts. To be fair to Macklemore, he does mention that in his tune to an extent as well.
Trinity have committed to fully divesting from Israel. Have to say, didn't see such a blanket success as this coming. Unlikely, but ya never know, it might have some impact on other universities:
https://trinitynews.ie/2024/05/breaking-trinity-to-work-towards-total-divestment-from-israel-in-unprecedented-win-for-bds/
I assume they're also condemning hamas as strongly as possible? They should also be giving the same treatment to the US while they're at it
Trinity can't divest from Hamas as they're not invested in Hamas. I can see you're absorbing some high quality discussion points on the conflict!
Quote from: astfgyl on May 08, 2024, 06:54:00 PMI assume they're also condemning hamas as strongly as possible?
Whatever about what I'm reading, you haven't even managed to absorb the comment you're replying to....
It's a non-sequitur (and, at this stage in the conflict, threadbare and tiresome) comment to make about protests for divestment from companies who profit from illegal settlement that has been going on longer than Hamas has even existed. Some of the companies Trinity will be divesting from even turned out to be internationally blacklisted. But if you want to talk about Hamas, start with Netanyahu intentionally keeping them going even after the Palestinian Authority had pulled the plug on them hoping they'd wither and die. Article from Israel published on October 8th (I may have previously posted this):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Read that article before. Whatever point it makes doesn't matter now. So everyone wants Israel to have a ceasefire. Great, me and all. So what then, do Hamas leave it off and grant free elections in Palestine to see what the citizens want? Do they fuck. So trinity refuses the Israelis....
...who fucking cares? We're Ireland, we're nobodies on the international stage and if we are going to go this way and do what is (rightly) seen as the right thing then there's the obvious looming spectre of the US, which everyone ignores along with their lackeys in the UK and France to ignore when it comes to making a stand like this so to me it's virtue signalling crap because it's not applied evenly as a principle. So refuse the Israeli 30 pieces of silver great, but it matters not unless the principle is carried out to its conclusion.
As for the hamas comment, well while everyone is condemning things they might spare a thought for the cunts who got it going this time round (however convenient that may have been for the Israelis, we can only guess) on October 7th and condemn those at every opportunity as well because what they did in Israel was equivalent to me throwing my kids in a shark tank and then complaining when they get eaten.
I've read all the articles and seen all the videos for years and have been haunted many a night thinking about the destruction but the minute one stops the other will start again and on into eternity. Support the Palestinian people indeed but I think that should involve helping them to be free of hamas as well as the Israelis.
So there's the opinion I've absorbed - my own. I'm sure many will disagree but sure that's the case with everything.
This isn't red versus blues. An Israel seeking peace wouldn't end up talking to Hamas, they'd end up talking to the party Netanyahu helped Hamas into power to undermine for the precise reason that they had the credibility to both keep Gaza and the West Bank united and be internationally perceived as a good faith actor: the Palestinian Authority. Netanyahu and his cabinet are still doing everything they can to prevent that happening. Here's a must read from a month ago about the kind of Israeli-overseen power structure Netanyahu has already been trying to prepare to fill the Hamas vacuum in post-war Gaza: https://archive.is/m7JUg
I'm not going to go so far as to say Netanyahu intimately wanted something of the magnitude of October 7th, but he absolutely paved the way for it. He fueled extremists because they're extremists. Hamas are extremists; the condemnation goes without saying, but it's meaningless without accounting for Netanyahu encouraging their rise to power precisely because they're capable of something so unambiguously condemnation worthy. Add to that, for the mildest possible conspiracy angle possible, all the ignored warnings, internal and external, about Hamas preparing something, the delayed response, the indeterminate amount of friendly fire, none of which is still "deducted" from the overall horrors committed that day, the vast majority of which certainly by Hamas. Something awful happened on October 7th, but everything points to the highest levels in Israel both wanting violence to occur (Hamas' specialty) and when it did to make sure it was as horrific as possible, up to and including propagating fake stories over and above the reality. It had to be enough to get them Gaza back. And if they get their way, they will regain full control over the strip. A win. A carefully prepared win.
Oh I've loads of theories about Israeli intentions and how it was all very convenient and how they're cunts for what they're at even though it's exactly what they'd be expected to do in retaliation. It's their 9/11 in that sense, with how well it suited them at the end of the day but why don't the students kick up the same fuss over the yanks for the same results? You're right it's not a red and blue thing because nothing really is unless one is too stupid to actually think about things.
So what now then? Israel stop and then what? Hamas regroup and have another few goes whenever they get the chance and the whole thing stays going again or Israel flatten the place and send us the refugees? Is there any diplomatic solution being offered by other countries like could they all just recognise Palestine officially and hope the Israelis leave it alone from here on in? Could the yanks maybe stop paying them to do it and hopefully they'll fizzle out that way, maybe after getting a gas pipeline built through northern gaza and just annexing that bit?
Say they cease fire tomorrow and let it off, what next when the lads start letting off the next few rockets?
Fuckin students they all remind me of Private Joker's helmet. Dancing for LGB and Palestinian Islamic hardliners that would stab them for being queer and Ukrainian nazi splinter groups all at the same time as saying trump is a nazi after dancing for Joe Biden last year and standing up for antisemitism until seeing that he's just another compromised evil warmongering cunt like all the rest of the bad guys in the world and now those poor Palestinians are getting shafted by those grubby fucking Jews as well and all because their hardline Islamic paramilitaries ran over the border and tortured and murdered a few of those rotten Israelis sure they were only going to be IDF in the future or already were in the past, killing kids for throwing stones etc etc etc etc etc.
Just the bullshit involved in the whole college reactions to everything like this reminds me of lads occupying wall street with their ipods in their ears
Yknow what fuck this for this evening I'm annoying myself I'll go smoke the peace pipe and I'll smoke one for you and all. I said I wouldn't be drawn into this one and here I am doing it and now I remember why I wouldn't so that's me wrong there
Quote from: astfgyl on May 08, 2024, 11:47:19 PMSo what now then? Israel stop and then what? Hamas regroup and have another few goes whenever they get the chance and the whole thing stays going again or Israel flatten the place and send us the refugees? Is there any diplomatic solution being offered by other countries like could they all just recognise Palestine officially and hope the Israelis leave it alone from here on in? Could the yanks maybe stop paying them to do it and hopefully they'll fizzle out that way, maybe after getting a gas pipeline built through northern gaza and just annexing that bit?
Say they cease fire tomorrow and let it off, what next when the lads start letting off the next few rockets?
I answered this entire illusory dilemma in the post above:
QuoteAn Israel seeking peace wouldn't end up talking to Hamas, they'd end up talking to the party Netanyahu helped Hamas into power to undermine for the precise reason that they had the credibility to both keep Gaza and the West Bank united and be internationally perceived as a good faith actor: the Palestinian Authority. Netanyahu and his cabinet are still doing everything they can to prevent that happening.
And from the article I linked in the post, the first line of the header:
QuoteReady to do anything to prevent the return of the Palestinian Authority to Gaza, the Israeli prime minister...
https://archive.is/m7JUg
QuoteAn Israel seeking peace wouldn't end up talking to Hamas, they'd end up talking to the party Netanyahu helped Hamas into power to undermine for the precise reason that they had the credibility to both keep Gaza and the West Bank united and be internationally perceived as a good faith actor: the Palestinian Authority. Netanyahu and his cabinet are still doing everything they can to prevent that happening.
Netanyahu was never not evil. So you think the Palestinian Authority would be able to regain control of things there to any extent at this stage? I think this will only subside when the Israelis get whichever piece of northern gaza that they needed in the first place but that's sort of by the by anyway because there's still no resolution on the table that will work ever and uncle Sam is backing Israel so defeating them isn't a thing either for their neighbours.
Let's not forget also, while we're looking at pictures of suffering Palestinian children (and these genuinely disturb me, seeing these horrors visited upon the poor kids and the indeed the mothers and the fathers and I've been reduced to tears many a time just by thinking of it and thinking of what depraved animals humans really are never mind looking at pictures and videos of it, and that's for all wars/invasions not just this one) that decades and decades have passed with successive Palestinian representative groups backed by Arab states and popular local support refusing peace terms and agreements. If they'd been stronger in military terms than Israel, what would they have done, just left it alone I suppose? No you'd just be hearing about the horror they're inflicting on the poor Israelis and we could all wear little Jewish hats instead of Palestine scarves. Does that give right to the Jewish settlements? Well no obviously.. but anyway all of this predates 2023 by a long shot and will outlast it by a long shot too.
Will hamas give themselves up? Not on your (or their fellow Palestinians) life. So is the best thing for Israel to leave it off now or stay going until they get rid of Hamas (whether it suits them or not, this is the public face of the invasion at least) and would that then give the people of gaza the best chance of (:laugh:) democracy in a few years with maybe the return of the Palestinian Authority? Would probably still end up with a sort of RIRA version of Hamas, backed by Iran. And let's just say Israel get out of there and stop blockading the strip, we'll we've seen how that would go after they ignored the intel from the Egyptians and coincidentally left the border unguarded for about 6 hours last October.
I just don't see any solution that will actually happen. Well I do actually: there will be much wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth until there's nothing left of the place and Israel will occupy whichever bit is most useful to them in the name of peace etc and maybe throw in a few settlers here and there and the money for the weapons manufacturers will keep rolling in.
Hey why don't a few countries get together and give the Palestinians a new land to live in, like what was done for the Jews? That might work. Or failing that, we could maybe stop a few tourists from looking at the book of Kells for a week while drowning in the usual sea of contradictions and silver spoon student ideals of world peace and imported American culture with colourful hairstyles and the sort of liberal attitude to sexuality and gender that our Muslim brothers in gaza can really get on board with.
On second thoughts, maybe send some food and medical supplies and some extra multinational peacekeepers and hope it sorts itself out in a millennium or two.
Look, it's a rambling and at times incoherent post I've just made there but I think it illustrates quite well why I didn't really want to talk about this one. I'm just going to leave it there and let's say I'm convinced of whatever argument anyone makes of it, including myself
Your problem here, as sometimes with other complex issues, is that instead of trying to draw a clear narrative out of what is actually happening and what has actually happened, you instead choose to throw irrelevant noise at it, like possible TCD student hypocrisy (irrelevant, their campaign was a resounding success, wouldn't matter if they were all literal aristocracy, the concrete result is that Trinity is divesting from firms linked to the illegally occupied territories), or how LGBT pro-Palestine protesters would be treated by Hamas (irrelevant, they're primarily campaigning for a ceasefire because they don't think children or civilians should be indiscriminately murdered, regardless of the beliefs they were raised under... not to mention it's generally speaking been homophobes I've seen spreading this angle, surprise, surprise), etc., etc. It's all just so much shit thrown at the fan, and that absolutely includes replying to the TCD divestment news with, "I assume they're also condemning hamas as strongly as possible?" Wholly irrelevant.
Less noise, good. More noise, bad. The solid analytical sources I'm borrowing everything I say from (and can provide you with) all aim at reducing noise, as all good analysis does, whether that be in science or politics. Not inventing simplistic narratives, but recognizing what is irrelevant to a given question and silencing rather than amplifying it.
Nah man, I'm just not up for this one at all. Noise? The whole lot of it is noise, and each bit as convincing or unconvincing as the next. The trinity thing to me is noise because it's bullshit, and frankly it could be painted as antisemitic in its application.
There's bound to be plenty of Israelis who disagree with the actions of their government and military but guess what, they're tarred as well now.
When will Trinity divest themselves from the US? Until they do, which they won't, then they are officially full of shit. Is that noise? Yes I think it is
The Israelis "tarred" are those either involved in or in favor of exploiting the territories inside the West Bank borders which are illegally (under international law) occupied. That is what BDS is about, the illegally occupied territories:
https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/2024/encampment-in-trinity/
QuoteTrinity will complete a divestment from investments in Israeli companies that have activities in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and appear on the UN Blacklist in this regard.
Trinity are divesting from Israeli
companies. If you have a list of US companies Trinity are invested in which conduct their operations in such flagrant violation of international law that they appear on a UN trade blacklist, send it on to the Trinity Students Union asap, I'm genuinely sure they would be interested and may take action. Failing knowledge of investments in such US companies, yes, that is noise, noise, noise, noise, noise.
They're only settled there out of military necessity, which is for defence reasons.
Risible.
:-X
https://twitter.com/afalkhatib/status/1789176499662360639?t=zDyYd7iUX75DwbjSd_PQ2g&s=19
It's probably ai but it looks painful. I'd love to know what he's saying
Not AI. Hard to know what exactly is going on, but well within the bounds of the levels of thuggery Hamas have been long known to rise to. Wonder what would have happened had the 2021 Palestine election gone ahead. Wonder why Israel refused to allow Arabs to vote in East Jerusalem, leading to the cancellation. Wait, isn't East Jerusalem part of the West Bank? How does Israel have authority to dictate anything about what happens in East Jerusalem? How indeed!
Yep, there'll be no fixing any of that any time soon. I'm always dubious about those videos though, like the lad getting the flogging could be after getting caught at something bad like thieving or raping. As I haven't a clue what's being said, I just don't know. Looks painful anyway
The Guardian and Israeli outlets +972 and Local Call a couple of days ago published an investigation into years-old intimidation of ICC prosecutor by highest level Israeli secret services:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/28/spying-hacking-intimidation-israel-war-icc-exposed
Today, Israel's leading left-leaning media outlet Haaretz reveals they had this story two years ago but Israeli security blocked its publication:
https://archive.is/2B1bp
QuoteThe conversation began with the words, "We understand you know about the prosecutor."
It was a polite conversation, a polite threat. The tone was calm, the content much less so. I was explained that if I publish the story, I would suffer the consequences and get to know the interrogation rooms of the Israeli security authorities from the inside. [...]
In the end, it was made clear to me that even sharing the information "with my friends abroad," referring to foreign media outlets, would lead to the same results.
Currently, the US are mulling sanctions against the ICC for their seeking arrest warrants for war crimes against Netanyahu and Gallant.
Guilty on all 34 counts. Winning.
As great as it is, the nutters will be out in force fairly quickly. There'll be violence on the streets.
Quote from: Carnage on May 31, 2024, 01:12:18 AMAs great as it is, the nutters will be out in force fairly quickly. There'll be violence on the streets.
Not a hope he goes to jail anyway. That'll defo bring protests/riots.
Trump (probably) "I'm winning on the felonies...Nobody does felonies better than me."
Meanwhile Biden and his elite friends fund and support perpetual war across the world. But no, Trump is more important, let's focus on him..bad bad dude tut tut.
Biden's current crimes are circumstantial: if Trump and the GOP were in right now, they'd be even more gung-ho behind Bibi, absolutely zero doubt about that. Hard to care about the Trump conviction though: at best it will have zero impact on anything of consequence; at worst it will actually benefit his election chances.
Quote from: leatherface on May 31, 2024, 09:07:22 AMMeanwhile Biden and his elite friends fund and support perpetual war across the world. But no, Trump is more important, let's focus on him..bad bad dude tut tut.
He's the first president ever to be convicted on a felony charge. It's going to be reported on.
He won't be anywhere near a jail cell, and the non-stop campaign against him by his political enemies is having the exact opposite of the desired effect.
'Existential threat to our democratic institutions' and all the rest of the bullshit, it won't change a single trump voters mind and is likely to create new ones.
Speaking impartially, the campaign against him is very obvious as being just that. While I am aware of the historical nature of the verdict it will have no effect on his career whatsoever.
So the entrenched republicans and Democrats vote for their side. It's the floating independents that nearly always have a deciding factor on the election over there. Will the ould Donald having a criminal record sway them. We'll see I'm November I suppose.
Thing about the last election was. If he had toned down the rhetoric a bit and appealed to women voters he would have got in. But he's a fucking clem so didn't. Will he learn this time around. I highly doubt it.
I honestly don't think trump will be elected again whatever happens but seeing as the thread was big tech vs trump, it's really interesting to see the hunter Biden laptop story surfacing again. Remember that was Russian disinformation or some shit at the time? Now I don't think that Biden's son being a bit of a legend should make any difference to what Biden does tbf, but that one was very buried at the time in case it did. Now imagine that was one of the Trump lads, it would have a markedly different response to the extent that people would have heard of it at least.
Instead we had hunter Biden knocking around ireland shaking hands and being celebrated, but for all the wrong reasons altogether because nobody in this country reported on it at all.
I'd have asked him for a rock of crack at the very least
Quote from: astfgyl on June 06, 2024, 06:26:24 PMI honestly don't think trump will be elected again whatever happens but seeing as the thread was big tech vs trump, it's really interesting to see the hunter Biden laptop story surfacing again. Remember that was Russian disinformation or some shit at the time? Now I don't think that Biden's son being a bit of a legend should make any difference to what Biden does tbf, but that one was very buried at the time in case it did. Now imagine that was one of the Trump lads, it would have a markedly different response to the extent that people would have heard of it at least.
Instead we had hunter Biden knocking around ireland shaking hands and being celebrated, but for all the wrong reasons altogether because nobody in this country reported on it at all.
I'd have asked him for a rock of crack at the very least
Himself and Trumps son would go on some sesh I'd say.
If I had to pick one, I reckon hunter would be better craic but I'd go on it with them anyway
So, Assange freed. Didn't see that coming.
No neither did I tbh. Wonder what's the catch
There was some kind of plea deal but I haven't looked up any of the details beyond that.
To be sentenced tomorrow. Probably house arrest.
Have only seen the bare details that he'll plead guilty to something in Saipan and then time served sees him released back to Australia. Maybe it's as simple as that but it certainly seems to have come out of the blue
Looks like the pendulum is swinging towards Trump with even CNN calling out Biden for telling lies after the debate. Word around the campfire is that old Joe is being teed up for replacement and the carry on over that debate seems to make that believable. I'm actually no fan of Trump whatsoever other than the comedy elements but I just couldn't see how even the most fervent would see Biden as anything other than a puppet for whoever really runs the show. I also think Trump is a mere puppet but just a smidgen less obvious is all. The memes are fun briefly at least. Voters in America must feel as bad as I did when I looked at the Irish ballot hoping for something engaging. Yknow something in between the old guard and crazy loon shit but it just wasn't there
CNN called them both out for lies, item by item. Didn't watch the whole debate, but what I saw was absolutely pitiful. The UK and the US are in such embarrassing shape at the moment. Like here in France we're facing the possibility of a far right (as determined by an official state body) government, but at least there is real opposition and the debates are fire. Small consolation, but still.
Fuck me, look at the state of Sleepy Joe. They're just handing the keys to trump.
Has trump announced his VP?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 28, 2024, 12:09:35 PMCNN called them both out for lies, item by item. Didn't watch the whole debate, but what I saw was absolutely pitiful. The UK and the US are in such embarrassing shape at the moment. Like here in France we're facing the possibility of a far right (as determined by an official state body) government, but at least there is real opposition and the debates are fire. Small consolation, but still.
Yeah absolutely. I have been taking the odd cursory glance at the French situation and it does seem a bit more that the right have something to offer at the least but it's still a load of pot and kettle shit at the end of the day. There isn't really a left or right option when either side is still going to be in the wef and implement the same policies from two different angles, is there?
Nah, the far right don't have anything of lasting substance to offer at all. Le Pen & Co will basically shaft the masses to the benefit of the rich while normalizing blaming any and all suffering on not just immigrants but also binationals, etc. What I actually meant was that in France at the moment, unlike in the UK or the US, the principal opposition to conservatism is genuine opposition: neither Starmer (essentially a Tory himself) nor Biden (a senile old man) constitute proper opposition.
I saw this morning the American election is a toss up between an old man and a con man. They gotta replace Biden at this stage. Not up to another 4 years. They're both fucking terrible candidates.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 28, 2024, 01:49:15 PMNah, the far right don't have anything of lasting substance to offer at all. Le Pen & Co will basically shaft the masses to the benefit of the rich while normalizing blaming any and all suffering on not just immigrants but also binationals, etc. What I actually meant was that in France at the moment, unlike in the UK or the US, the principal opposition to conservatism is genuine opposition: neither Starmer (essentially a Tory himself) nor Biden (a senile old man) constitute proper opposition.
Well fair enough I meant in comparison to the Irish right, who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. I did save a wonderful twitter thread about the French right and how they did their utmost to set fire to themselves when the election was announced. Being fair though I know little to nothing about the French situation so I don't really have anything to offer there
"The Supreme Court rules that President Trump has "absolute immunity" from criminal prosecution for all "official acts" he took while in office."
Twitter thread with some extracts of judges' individual comments (particularly from the minority of dissenters/those not wholly in the GOP's pocket):
https://x.com/mjs_DC/status/1807785884630008126
Quote from: Ollkiller on June 28, 2024, 04:34:20 PMI saw this morning the American election is a toss up between an old man and a con man. They gotta replace Biden at this stage. Not up to another 4 years. They're both fucking terrible candidates.
Agreed. Thought the democrats were crazy to press on with Biden and now the early debate has sealed that for everyone. Surely Biden can't continue, Trump has it in the bag unless they change to someone new. Biden doesn't look like he has 1 year left in him nevermind 4. Trump could also deteriorate quickly so VP picks are important enough.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 01, 2024, 04:00:07 PM"The Supreme Court rules that President Trump has "absolute immunity" from criminal prosecution for all "official acts" he took while in office."
Twitter thread with some extracts of judges' individual comments (particularly from the minority of dissenters/those not wholly in the GOP's pocket):
https://x.com/mjs_DC/status/1807785884630008126
Don't know much of the ramifications of this but I suppose it will apply to Biden as well so no one can say it's partisan?
Quote from: The Butcher on July 01, 2024, 06:11:00 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on June 28, 2024, 04:34:20 PMI saw this morning the American election is a toss up between an old man and a con man. They gotta replace Biden at this stage. Not up to another 4 years. They're both fucking terrible candidates.
Agreed. Thought the democrats were crazy to press on with Biden and now the early debate has sealed that for everyone. Surely Biden can't continue, Trump has it in the bag unless they change to someone new. Biden doesn't look like he has 1 year left in him nevermind 4. Trump could also deteriorate quickly so VP picks are important enough.
Biden has been obviously senile since before he won in 2020. I'm amazed that even the level of disdain for Trump got him over the line. I can't even remember what his headline policies were either. I think it's fair to say he's delivered fuck all other than a bit of economic bounce from reopening after lockdowns but that's well cancelled out for the average pleb there from what I read. Much the same as here and I doubt Trump would have presided over much different other than he might have built his wall.
I honestly think both parties should have come up with someone different but I suppose we may as well enjoy the clown show at the circus while it's on
It really is bizarre to see the leadership of America being contested by the state of those two. Death The Leveller is having a laugh at this stage.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 01, 2024, 08:34:40 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 01, 2024, 04:00:07 PM"The Supreme Court rules that President Trump has "absolute immunity" from criminal prosecution for all "official acts" he took while in office."
Twitter thread with some extracts of judges' individual comments (particularly from the minority of dissenters/those not wholly in the GOP's pocket):
https://x.com/mjs_DC/status/1807785884630008126
Don't know much of the ramifications of this but I suppose it will apply to Biden as well so no one can say it's partisan?
Partisan maybe not, but expressly designed to favour the kind of personality liable to have recourse to it. Just as there were bad and good tyrants, until eventually it was decided it'd be better all round to put at least some checks on executive power. It seems a typically reckless thing for MAGA Corp to do for short term benefit given the range of potential abuses it opens up long term (i.e. into future mandates under currently unknown individuals).
Ideally Trump will get into office and half way through his presidency Putin will release whatever he has on him to embarrass the whole country...
I think Biden is every bit as bad as anything Trump ever did tbh.
What do you think the single worst thing Trump ever did was?
Quote from: astfgyl on July 02, 2024, 02:35:26 PMI think Biden is every bit as bad as anything Trump ever did tbh.
Trump delayed calling in the national guard on January 06th leaving American cops to be attacked. Big on law and order me hole. Now Biden pulling out of Afghanistan like he did was probably as bad.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 02, 2024, 10:22:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on July 02, 2024, 02:35:26 PMI think Biden is every bit as bad as anything Trump ever did tbh.
Trump delayed calling in the national guard on January 06th leaving American cops to be attacked. Big on law and order me hole. Now Biden pulling out of Afghanistan like he did was probably as bad.
I think trump is a gobshite for that Jan 6 thing but it was also blown way out of proportion by the opposition. There were stories of cops being killed and all, which didn't actually happen like they were headlined but I think that's just the nature of the media there as much as anything. I reckon trump would have tried pulling out of Afghanistan as well though and Biden just happened to be the face of it. Of course trump will say different but who'd believe him anyway
Because it's Trump related and I'd never read the story before.. this is some tale so it is:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussie_Smollett_hate_crime_hoax
Never seen the series the lad was in but he was apparently in Alien: Covenant. Was reading about the film actually and seeing his name in the cast was what made me look him up thinking I remembered hearing something dicey
President Putin
Fuck me, Even your mate George Clooney is telling you to let it go.
Seems someone tried to assassinate him:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1812249329203286464
Edit: Shooter and one crowd member killed.
Staged. 100%. Too much posturing and hanging around after the 'event' for it to be genuine in any way. Absolute horseshit. But job done, he's a martyr now and is 100% guaranteed the win.
Crazy scene a bullet went through Trump's ear according to his own statement
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107
Interesting eye witness account from some guy saying police weren't quick reacting when shooter first pointed out to them. I'm not jumping to any conclusions. For the moment, we know shots were fired, one crowd member was killed, one seriously injured, something hit Trump's ear, and the shooter was taken out too. As confirmed by same eye witness also.
Quote from: Carnage on July 14, 2024, 01:47:40 AMStaged. 100%. Too much posturing and hanging around after the 'event' for it to be genuine in any way. Absolute horseshit.
You surely can't jump to that conclusion? Seems more incompetence on behalf of the secret service. If this was Biden I'd be saying the same thing. One crowd member dead and apparently one in critical condition. Think the gunman shot dead also?
Yep, two dead and one injured. Not sure how that equates to staged. I wonder if we'll see Trump' s acolytes taking to the streets. Remember, freedom isn't free, there's a hefty fuckin fee.
The lads standing up with their phones at the front, jaysus.
Just when you thought American politics couldn't get any crazier. How long before we see July 13th flags and t-shirts?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 13, 2024, 11:46:09 PMSeems someone tried to assassinate him:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1812249329203286464
Edit: Shooter and one crowd member killed.
I am genuinely surprised it took until now for someone to have a go at it. I'd say the Deep State conspiracy theories will be coming thick and fast from the Q crowd after that one!
Quote from: Anvil on July 14, 2024, 08:26:45 AMJust when you thought American politics couldn't get any crazier. How long before we see July 13th flags and t-shirts?
I'd say the first few batches are well printed already
Edit: https://viralstyle.com/c/2MDnyK
:laugh: a lot of thought and design has went into that one
What do we know of the shooter? Hear he was a registered republican.
This is more a science question, but I was reading that they didn't release the shooters name until they had DNA confirmation... Can we (we as in the human race) actually do these tests that fast now?
Quote from: Anvil on July 14, 2024, 09:33:57 AMThis is more a science question, but I was reading that they didn't release the shooters name until they had DNA confirmation... Can we (we as in the human race) actually do these tests that fast now?
According to ChatGpt.... Yes!
QuoteThe fastest DNA test that humans can generally do is a rapid polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test, which can provide results in as little as a few hours. These tests are often used for diagnosing genetic disorders, identifying genetic predispositions, or determining paternity. Other types of DNA tests, such as whole genome sequencing, may take longer to provide results.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 14, 2024, 08:30:30 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 13, 2024, 11:46:09 PMSeems someone tried to assassinate him:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1812249329203286464
Edit: Shooter and one crowd member killed.
I am genuinely surprised it took until now for someone to have a go at it. I'd say the Deep State conspiracy theories will be coming thick and fast from the Q crowd after that one!
Quote from: Anvil on July 14, 2024, 08:26:45 AMI'd say the first few batches are well printed already
Edit: https://viralstyle.com/c/2MDnyK
Buck-o-five?
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QuoteLittle so far is known about Crooks other than his address and the fact that he was registered as a Republican but also gave $15 to a liberal PAC on 20 January 2021, the day President Joe Biden was sworn in to office. The donation to the group, ActBlue, was earmarked for its Progressive Turnout Project, which aims to encourage liberals to vote.
Crooks' father, Matthew Crooks, briefly spoke to CNN on Saturday night, saying he was looking into "what the hell is going on" and that before commenting further he would "wait until I talk to law enforcement".
Crooks graduated in 2022 from Bethel Park High School and received a $500 "star award" from the National Math and Science Initiative, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Bizarre. A disgruntled conservative? A loopy right pretending to be a loopy left to inflame the loopy right??
Other avenues being explored though, according to RTE... :laugh:
shootersimonharris.png
Go on Harry, ye mad hoor!
The initial headlines from left leaning news outlets were something to behold.
"Trump falls on stage as loud pops are heard" etc.
Biden's comments about having him in the bullseye are aging quite badly given he only made them the other day. On the other hand, I think we've well established that Biden doesn't know what he's saying from one minute to the next so he'll have to get a bye on this one.
I'm not running with the "it was staged" narrative, but if it was to be a setup it couldn't have went better for Trump really. The theories are fairly wild already with the most prevalent ones being it was staged and/or it was allowed to happen by Secret Service and 3 letter agencies. Personally I think Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing and I am honestly surprised it took this long for someone to have a pop at him, or indeed Sleepy Joe while I'm thinking of it.
All I want to know is is there any video of Trump diving and then applying a blood bag to his ear. The whole thing is fishy as fuck. America Fuck Yeah.
That photo... Fist in the air, blood across his face and the flag up behind him.
Jesus Christ on a bike, you couldn't plan it any better.
Quote from: jobrok1 on July 14, 2024, 10:00:09 PMThat photo... First in the air, blood across his face and the flag up behind him.
Jesus Christ on a bike, you couldn't plan it any better.
Exactly. I'm not saying it was a false flag but fuck me it played out 100% like a false flag.
Found it.
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:laugh: :laugh: :abbath:
Quote from: jobrok1 on July 14, 2024, 10:00:09 PMThat photo... First in the air, blood across his face and the flag up behind him.
Jesus Christ on a bike, you couldn't plan it any better.
Although the flag is upside down. Maybe that is a deeper symbolic point...
Rick Rubin is behind it?
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Even if it was staged, how exactly does it help Trump win votes?
Again, I don't at this point think it was staged, but the attempt, and especially his immediate response to it, make him look like a hero to many US citizens who wouldn't necessarily have looked upon him as a hero previously. The images are peak "America, fuck yeah!", and that's a mentality that exists well beyond the typical MAGA boundaries.
Durka durka.
Plus Biden seems to actually.. speak like a president for a change. What is going on?. Last week he was the fall guy, in the last 24 hrs he is coherent and doing press conferences, phoning Trump.
T
Quote from: Giggles on July 15, 2024, 12:51:28 PMEven if it was staged, how exactly does it help Trump win votes?
Sympathy, martyrdom, deflection from the court cases.
Given how a few former Trump employees and people he considered friends have testified against him, and how under the spotlight he is, would Trump be crazy/smart/stupid enough to stage an assassination attempt?
It is funny now seeing a lot of people I know who would scream tin foil hat at anyone who questions anything beyond whatever the current narrative are now pushing conspiracy theories about it being staged because it suits the agenda.
I wonder will we see any action taken against Biden for his recent 'put a bullseye on Trump' comment. If Trump said the same thing and Biden was shot at people would be calling for Trump's head.
That remark was in a private call to donors though. Trump hardliners have been trying to equate it with Trump's very public call to march on the Capitol and and get equal blame placed on him on that basis, but the comparison doesn't stand up imo.
The latent Democrat conspiracy theorists suddenly emerging is def funny though. I was also wondering to myself if it's causing any cognitive dissonance among the large intersection of MAGA/InfoWars heads, torn between their love for Trump and their love for seeing false flag operations everywhere :laugh:
The bullseye thing was a Twitter post from Biden's presidential account that has now been deleted.
https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1812356262425772206
At least if people are going to push a conspiracy have some sort of logic behind it I haven't seen anyone come up with a valid reason as to why Trump would want this staged. As he is more popular now than ever before. If he was going to stage it do people honestly think with all that is going on and the amount of times he has been betrayed by people he trusted in the past that he would trust someone to shoot at him would a random knife attack not have been a lot easier / safer to pull off or finding a bomb somewhere before it goes off.
I don't know that account, but my first instinct would be to question the veracity of the screenshot, which already suspiciously crops the date and time. The text shown is a verbatim quote from the private call in question, so the "we're done talking about the debate" loses some of its contextual meaning: they were talking about the debate on the call and Biden wanted to move on from it, then reassuring them he won't talk about golf again :laugh: Not impossible, but doesn't make a whole lot of sense his media team would choose to tweet those exact words.
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/07/08/congress/defiant-biden-tells-donors-were-done-with-the-debate-00166834
That was just the first thing that came up when I searched for it. I have seen others referencing it and showing the screenshot in videos. I have never had a Twitter account so that makes searching for posts especially deleted ones difficult. Every time I see something McGregor posts while under the influence then deletes it when I go back to try and find it to send onto people I never can.
Law enforcement and secret service have a lot of questions that they'll never answer around how the fuck the shooter managed to be there at all. There's enough holes in the incompetence angle to render it fairly unbelievable the more you'd see about it but definitely the funnest part has been the left's descent into tinfoil hat territory. They had it coming, the blind bastards lol. There are many many videos of the crazy rhetoric from the Democrat side in the US and if someone was inspired to shoot a Republican candidate they need look no further than their own words for inspirational ideas. It's indisputable that they've been responsible for the hateful andviolent rhetoric far more than anything Trump has actually ever did or said, including anything from Jan 6th. Far far worse if one takes the time to actually look at the claims.
Ah here I just read that the shooter's phone can't be accessed by the full weight of the US government. Jaysus that's a stretch really.
Shooter no social media or online footprint at all. Shooter coincidentally appeared in a Blackrock ad last year but no anything online about him. Yeah the theories will be wild for sure. You couldn't make it up, as they say
Plenty more where this one came from, but note this is a Super Bowl Ad. Biggest viewership in the US:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOb1AXX5hsU
Glorifying guns tracks very well with the GOP voter base. There may be a case for Democrats encouraging more of what's referred to as "political violence", like riots, etc., but when it comes to the kind of single sharp shooter shit compatible with the mass shooter and would-be presidential assassin profiles, the Republicans have had that market pretty much cornered off for quite a while now. I mean, the NRA has been essentially part of the GOP campaign machine for years now.
Nobody remembers that Taylor-Green cunt and her sniper ad?
I do!! She gave rednecks the horn good and proper with that one :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 16, 2024, 01:30:34 AMPlenty more where this one came from, but note this is a Super Bowl Ad. Biggest viewership in the US:
Glorifying guns tracks very well with the GOP voter base. There may be a case for Democrats encouraging more of what's referred to as "political violence", like riots, etc., but when it comes to the kind of single sharp shooter shit compatible with the mass shooter and would-be presidential assassin profiles, the Republicans have had that market pretty much cornered off for quite a while now. I mean, the NRA has been essentially part of the GOP campaign machine for years now.
Firstly, the democrats drew their weapons first. Secondly he only shot the weapons out of their hands and thirdly he didn't dress them up as Hitler so I'll see your pot and raise you a kettle
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-democrats-relentlessly-dialed-up-violent-rhetoric-against-trump-before-assassination-attempt-comparing-him-to-hitler/ar-BB1pYb9T
This notion of the democrats being some sort of warriors for inclusivity and peace when they're as crooked as any republicans ever were is just fantasy stuff.
I don't think you'll find anyone on here describing the Democrats like that :laugh:
Funnily enough, one of the "objectionable" tweets mentioned in that New York Post article (a 100% pro-MAGA rag, incidentally), in which Trump's own words are compared to some of Hitler's, really just serves to further highlight how violent some of Trump's own discourse has been:
https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1737567329561526607
Promising start for the new VP. America is cunt rich.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn07e2ep20no
Quote from: Bürggermeister on July 16, 2024, 03:34:22 PMPromising start for the new VP. America is cunt rich.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn07e2ep20no
Another shock-GOP politician by the looks of it:
(article from 2022)
Quotean unearthed Facebook message from 2016 shows just how shameless Vance's pivot from Trump skeptic to sycophant has truly been. On Monday, Democratic Georgia state Rep. Josh McLaurin, Vance's old college roommate, tweeted what he said was a message he received from Vance, who expressed concern that Trump might be "America's Hitler."
"I go back and forth between thinking Trump might be a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he might be America's Hitler," Vance wrote, according to McLaurin's tweet. "How's that for discouraging?"
Vance previously used words like "idiot," "noxious" and "reprehensible" to describe Trump — but that was before he sought the former president's endorsement. He's since deleted his tweets criticizing Trump and said he regrets speaking ill of him.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/jd-vance-trump-hitler-rcna24981
How timely it be dug up again now that only a few short years ago even Trump's now VP tentatively compared him to Hitler :laugh:
Well, I guess his wondering about Hitler-esque tendencies within MAGA weren't totally unfounded!
https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1813240840250400941
Trump being LITERALLY HITLER is actually the thickest as shittest discourse doing the political rounds the last few years and I think it's mad that people buy it really. What about the actual Nazis that are being funded by the current US administration as well as the EU in Ukraine that nobody wants to talk about? There's actual Nazi Fanatics but they're fine people I guess, right? LOL. Actually my favourite NAzi of them all was the lad in the canadian parliament who got the standing ovation for being Ukrainian and fighting against the Russians in WWII :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'll have to dig out a report on that one from somewhere. Anyway yeah Trump is a Nazi.
Anyway never mind that, what's the story with the Trump/RFK Jr leaked phone call? Now there's something that was a setup for sure... but in what way?
Funny little additional detail here about the shooter, courtesy of Ch4:
https://youtu.be/od__xEA1UQ0?si=qq77iPqnenr94n5u&t=340
(Watch whole thing, or from around 5:40 in.)
This is officially a cult. Any minute now Uncle Ernie is going to have the cunts start playing pinball.
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Quote from: Bürggermeister on July 18, 2024, 03:31:24 PMThis is officially a cult. Any minute now Uncle Ernie is going to have the cunts start playing pinball.
IMG_5142.webp
Quote from: Bürggermeister on July 18, 2024, 03:31:24 PMThis is officially a cult. Any minute now Uncle Ernie is going to have the cunts start playing pinball.
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The state of them.
If that is real, American is truly fucked.
Edit. It is real. Jesus Christ.
Yeah absolutely fucked. A pure cult if I ever saw one. Amazing how one can't see cultish stuff when they're in it all the same.
And Tenacious D have cancelled themselves.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSt3rISW0AAlDhp?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Hamill has become very tiresome. But at least he's not pretending to have dementia out of solidarity with Biden :P :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 18, 2024, 07:42:57 PMHamill has become very tiresome. But at least he's not pretending to have dementia out of solidarity with Biden :P :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Fair point!!!
I'm not even picking on Biden supporters really as one crowd is as indoctrinated as the other over there by the look of it. It's like as if the whole red/blue thing turns off people's minds once it's brought into play. I've just been thinking about the occupy movement a lot lately and how it seemed to be bringing people together for a common cause and then suddenly the hard identity politics was fostered and nurtured until everyone was divided against each other instead of united against the shocking capitalism and greed of the corporation class. It's pretty sad how people were turned away from common cause like that. Ah well
If you need to waste 2 mins of your life, watch this.
Quote from: Giggles on July 19, 2024, 04:07:12 PM
If you need to waste 2 mins of your life, watch this.
To be fair they do always pick the biggest eejits but the eejits do exist all the same. It's the trump rally thing again picking the top stooks and making out they are all like that. There are fine people on both sides there
You'll have to speak into their left ear.
there's fucking bullet through the ear piercings and all going strong.
Fine people on both sides, and all of them missing the point that they are simply feeding into both sides of the same coin of rampant capitalism whether it's through sales of rainbow flags or assault rifles, every minion is playing their shitty little part
Quote from: Bürggermeister on July 18, 2024, 03:31:24 PMThis is officially a cult. Any minute now Uncle Ernie is going to have the cunts start playing pinball.
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Did the footage of these clowns make anyone else think of this?
https://youtu.be/AUvRDHHvkRc?si=_bc11acljLz7XrPM
:laugh:
It also made a few people think of this:
*insert gif of Leo pointing from Once Upon A Time In Hollywood*
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
(https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/3/leo-pointing-meme-poster-stewart-wayne.jpg)
Biden has officially stepped aside as Democrat candidate.
Thankfully. Be interesting to see who gets the nomination in a few weeks.
"What do you mean I couldn't be the President of the United States of America? Tell me something, it's still 'We the people', right? Right Jill??"
"Sure Joe, sure. Now, let's get you back to bed."
Unsurprising, given that he has been obviously senile for his whole term
Surprising it took them this long. Should have done it alot sooner
He probably wanted to see if the Trump assassination would work out before he threw in the towel. They obviously have someone up their sleeve. It'll be interesting if Trump getting his ear pierced is the thing that finally makes one of the parties pick a decent candidate. Saying that though, I think it's fairly hardcore over there so probably anyone with a blue tie will do fairly well when held up against him
Just saw he's endorsing Harris. Fuck she is awful
Too little too late for the Democrats?
The right candidate and the right campaign could use the moment to their advantage. Biden and Trump are a dream set-up in terms of conditions to make the right candidate appear dazzlingly competent by contrast. For the moment though, I haven't seen anyone suggested who fits the description of "right candidate."
I can't help but think that Trump has it in the bag. The Democrats seem to be in a state of confusion. Maybe you're right though, and someone strong can step in and take on Trump, hopefully not nu playing his own game because that's a race to the bottom.
Robert Kennedy would do better than Harris I would have thought but his voice is a bit of a problem. Also imagine the outrage if they passed over a "woman of colour" in favour of a white man, They'd knock the place.
Trump will destroy Harris in a debate, the woman is a dum dum and a dullard.
Christ its a fucking circus over there.
Always thought Trump would win over Biden on age/health reasons alone (not that Trump doesn't have the same issues, just not as immediately pressing as Bidens was), then the assassination attempt I think has sealed his victory now no matter what the Democrats do. They will go with Harris now with a "uniting everyone" slogan but she'll feck that up completely. She is not particularly likeable and her past record is pretty shite for a Democrat. America going full red in November.
I don't know how many US citizens in those famous swing states will find it impossible to vote for a non-white woman + gay man ticket, but if the DNC market researchers do the numbers and think it doesn't spell certain defeat on that basis alone (the US being the US) then Harris and Buttigieg could probably pull a decent campaign out of the bag. Buttigieg is more than a match for Trump's VP pick anyway. Harris is very odd though, behavior-wise; doesn't at all have a presence that inspires the kind of solid as a rock, build your house on it certainty that would be the perfect contrast to Trump. An Obama 2.0, for example, would take this election no problem. I don't mean because I think Obama is/was a wonderful man in terms of moral integrity, just in terms of presence, optics, etc., y'know, the bullshit that wins elections.
Would Michelle Obama be a good pick?
Or Harvey Weinstein?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 22, 2024, 12:07:30 PMOr Harvey Weinstein?
:laugh: :laugh:
I reckon Michelle would be a good pick, but I can't see it being suggested that she replace Harris. Who knows though.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 22, 2024, 11:58:32 AMWould Michelle Obama be a good pick?
Thankfully Big Mike already said no a few months ago.
As mentioned, hard to imagine that there won't be a lot of undecided Americans who would find it difficult to vote for a woman of colour. A lot of people who wouldn't have voted for Trump may just not vote at all now.
It sure is a perfect time to have a strong candidate step in and stand out in this mess, only problem being there just isn't a strong candidate right now.
Interestingly, it doesn't overly feel like the assassination attempt has galvanized anyone who wasn't already in Trump's corner. It'll be a tight election; the democrats are a shambles, but nobody with any sense wants to go through all the Trump bullshit again so it'll be interesting to see what voter turnout is like.
Quote from: The Butcher on July 22, 2024, 09:54:32 AMAlways thought Trump would win over Biden on age/health reasons alone (not that Trump doesn't have the same issues, just not as immediately pressing as Bidens was), then the assassination attempt I think has sealed his victory now no matter what the Democrats do. They will go with Harris now with a "uniting everyone" slogan but she'll feck that up completely. She is not particularly likeable and her past record is pretty shite for a Democrat. America going full red in November.
She's meant to be a legend for sucking pipe though, that might play out well in the sticks :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 22, 2024, 12:39:43 AMThe right candidate and the right campaign could use the moment to their advantage. Biden and Trump are a dream set-up in terms of conditions to make the right candidate appear dazzlingly competent by contrast. For the moment though, I haven't seen anyone suggested who fits the description of "right candidate."
This was my thoughts on it but I see no centrist mentioned yet
Quote from: mickO))) on July 22, 2024, 01:04:35 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on July 22, 2024, 11:58:32 AMWould Michelle Obama be a good pick?
Thankfully Big Mike already said no a few months ago.
The Big Mike label is not going away, is it :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on July 22, 2024, 06:45:22 PMQuote from: The Butcher on July 22, 2024, 09:54:32 AMAlways thought Trump would win over Biden on age/health reasons alone (not that Trump doesn't have the same issues, just not as immediately pressing as Bidens was), then the assassination attempt I think has sealed his victory now no matter what the Democrats do. They will go with Harris now with a "uniting everyone" slogan but she'll feck that up completely. She is not particularly likeable and her past record is pretty shite for a Democrat. America going full red in November.
She's meant to be a legend for sucking pipe though, that might play out well in the sticks :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The new Nancy Reagan?
Yup, the kind of MAGA folk who demonstrably have zero problem with and sometimes even applaud self-confessed and convicted sexual assault by a powerful man are cackling wildly over a powerful woman's consensual acts and using them to try to disqualify her. This is probably the sort of stuff Chuck would be writing lyrics about were he still alive :laugh: :abbath:
That bodycam footage of Sonya Massey being shot dead by a cop in her own kitchen after calling 911 herself is fucking grim. What a literally retarded nation it is.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 22, 2024, 11:08:57 PMYup, the kind of MAGA folk who demonstrably have zero problem with and sometimes even applaud self-confessed and convicted sexual assault by a powerful man are cackling wildly over a powerful woman's consensual acts and using them to try to disqualify her. This is probably the sort of stuff Chuck would be writing lyrics about were he still alive :laugh: :abbath:
Woman has sex in a consensual relationship. A witch I tell ya. Burn her. Usual misogynistic crap.
So is Harris the candidate now or does anyone have to vote for it or anything like that? What a week, Trump gets his ear pierced and Biden is out on his ear. Tis like an Eastenders christmas special
Quote from: astfgyl on July 23, 2024, 10:33:27 PMSo is Harris the candidate now or does anyone have to vote for it or anything like that? What a week, Trump gets his ear pierced and Biden is out on his ear. Tis like an Eastenders christmas special
The democrats have to pick. Biden's endorsement and her being VP means she's likely to get it, but they have to weigh it all up first given that there are a lot of issues with her too. There are a few alternatives though that will also be going for it.
There's been a massive wave of popular and DNC support behind her, more than I would have expected so quickly (https://apnews.com/article/harris-biden-presidential-candidate-election-withdraw-9fbd153493cb3f088994854fe61a73e9). So right now I'd be surprised if she ends up getting replaced. One poll has already put her at 44% and Trump at 42, which doesn't have any concrete value in itself but there are also rumours that Trump's camp may be regretting their VP choice, Vance, some starting to think he was an over-confident choice, someone who sings only to Trump's choir, intended for a face-off with Biden/Harris. Given that, if Harris is now twinned with a strongly complementing profile (i.e. a white male), which looks likely given those under consideration, then a complete reversal of projections might not be far off. I wouldn't predict things being pretty if Trump has to switch from failed assassination attempt hero to being on the back foot.
Pretty funny though, bit of a "Careful what you wish for" moral tale, with the "Biden isn't capable of being president!" being answered with "You're right, we're going to replace him" and the Republicans seemingly only then realizing they should have instead been doing everything they could to make sure Biden stayed in the race :laugh: I do wonder how much of the "resistance" to stepping down was theatre. If it was, they played their card well, especially if the post-Trump VP announcement timing was part of it.
Based on past elections VP picks haven't really played any sort of major factor in the voting decision, you could say it does moreso now with Trump at the age he's at but same could have put to Biden if he continued and in his 2020 bid. I think the VP picks will give either a slight boost or dip around the week it's announced and then they just need to not f**k up big time at a debate and play safe.
Is that poll a national one? It's the swing state polls that will dictate things and probably too early to call but Americans love to talk about momentum in elections but the debate with Trump/Harris will be interesting to see how both will decide to take it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 23, 2024, 04:04:44 PMThat bodycam footage of Sonya Massey being shot dead by a cop in her own kitchen after calling 911 herself is fucking grim. What a literally retarded nation it is.
That's pretty fucked up, for sure.
That nation is surely going to implode some day.
I would imagine the only thing that worried the Republicans was someone competent replacing Biden looks like Harris is the pick so they must all be relieved. Biden would even stand a better chance than Harris she is terrible in every aspect of the job and even more unpopular in the US than Biden is.
I've been saying all the same for the last couple of months. Up until the last couple of days. We'll see.
I read Harris had 81 million dollars transferred into her campaign fund, so it looks as if the weight will be thrown behind her.
Here's a funny one: I searched Bing for "Kamala Harris Political Achievements" and usually there's a little side window on the page trying to get me to use the AI Co-pilot search with little snazzy breakdowns of whatever I searched for. This time, it says "Looks like I can't respond to this topic", which I haven't seen before.
Big Tech Vs The Donald once more? Here's the receipt: harris.jpg
Quote from: astfgyl on July 24, 2024, 05:40:30 PMI read Harris had 81 million dollars transferred into her campaign fund, so it looks as if the weight will be thrown behind her.
Here's a funny one: I searched Bing for "Kamala Harris Political Achievements" and usually there's a little side window on the page trying to get me to use the AI Co-pilot search with little snazzy breakdowns of whatever I searched for. This time, it says "Looks like I can't respond to this topic", which I haven't seen before.
Big Tech Vs The Donald once more? Here's the receipt: harris.jpg
Does it do the same for Trump (don't have Bing)?
Funnily enough in recent polls it looks like Harris is slightly more popular than Biden...
It lists out a few things for Trump. Not all positive either but it doesn't refuse to answer
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Ahh that gave me a good laugh but I'm actually supporting Harris now because she is Irish
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/07/23/kamala-harris-is-a-descendant-of-an-irish-slave-owner-in-jamaica/
Quote from: astfgyl on July 24, 2024, 08:47:08 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTRGcvDaMAAQoyr?format=jpg&name=small)
Ahh that gave me a good laugh but I'm actually supporting Harris now because she is Irish
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/07/23/kamala-harris-is-a-descendant-of-an-irish-slave-owner-in-jamaica/
Blindboy has an interesting reply to that on his twitter.
Link https://twitter.com/bbboatclub/status/1815697432010748042
So I clicked that link and :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
blind lad.jpg
Having never followed or interacted with him, I'm surprised he's heard of me :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Edit: What's even funnier is that my posts are protected and only people who follow me can see them so I don't even reply to threads because there's no point
Had to edit that there, nearly gave myself away
lol I did anyway lol fuck sake I think it's fixed now I'm some stook lol
Something a mate shared this morning, brief analysis looking at the number of people displaced by all of the U.S. post-9/11 wars as of 2021:
QuoteThe U.S. post-9/11 wars have forcibly displaced at least 38 million people in and from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, the Philippines, Libya, and Syria. This exceeds those displaced by every war since 1900, except World War II.
Quote38 million is a very conservative estimate. The total displaced by the U.S. post-9/11 wars could be closer to 49–60 million, which would rival World War II displacement.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2021/Costs%20of%20War_Vine%20et%20al_Displacement%20Update%20August%202021.pdf
The US receives a lot of ultimately abstract blame and finger-wagging for the number of civilians its wars have killed, but rarely seems to enter most Europeans' thoughts around the causes of mass migration, despite the US being to migration pretty much what Coca Cola are to plastics pollution. Hmm, would that make Russia Pepsi...?
I think 38 million is nowhere near the amount of people the imperialist shites have displaced or otherwise ruined. What they did in Iraq alone should have had the Bush administration tried as war criminals along with Tony Blair and pals
an fyi that Musk subscribed all Twitter users by default to have their data used as training material for Grok. if you want to opt out:
https://x.com/settings/grok_settings
How do people not notice that Musk is a con-man, a snake oil merchant, a charlatan and a fraud?
I think he's a complicated dude. With Space X he has helped to reinvigorate and make improvements to the American space program. With Tesla he has helped to make electric cars mainstream and between that and some of his more eccentric ideas, like building underground highways in cities ruined by gridlock he has been coming up with strategies to help reduce carbon emissions. But he has is complicated side too it seems. No doubt he has a huge ego and is a bit strange, but at least he is doing stuff.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 26, 2024, 12:33:08 PMI think he's a complicated dude. With Space X he has helped to reinvigorate and make improvements to the American space program. With Tesla he has helped to make electric cars mainstream and between that and some of his more eccentric ideas, like building underground highways in cities ruined by gridlock he has been coming up with strategies to help reduce carbon emissions. But he has is complicated side too it seems. No doubt he has a huge ego and is a bit strange, but at least he is doing stuff.
I think that sums him up pretty well...
Jaysus, as far as I can see the stuff he's doing is making outrageous claims and telling blatant lies with regard to Teslas engineering prowess in order to pull in investor money and artificially inflate Teslas share price.
He has set back the Yank moon project by years. The electric car scam, based on government subsidy, is falling apart. the Tunnel in Las Vagas is a joke, the boring company is total bollox.
Hyperloop - complete fiction
Robo taxi - total wank
How's that Mars colony going there Musky boy?
Where's the roadster? (an impossible dream)
"I think, at this point, I know more about manufacturing than anyone alive on Earth today" he proclaimed. Enter the Cyber truck.
Tell ya one thing, if I had shares in Tesla I'd be selling them immediately, His days are numbered.
Haniyeh, head of Hamas, killed in Tehran. Big news, though not clear it'll have a big impact on the ongoing situation in Gaza.
Israel carrying out an execution in Iran won't go down very well at all, I imagine.
Prob not, although it was in this case a genuinely targeted strike: seems to have been only Haniyeh and a bodyguard taken out. But yeah, hopefully no one decides to make an Archduke Ferdinand moment out of it.
I'd imagine if anything it would make things worse as I'm sure there's plenty of lads willing to stand up and take his place. As was said above, I'd hope it didn't kick off another whole front of a war in the region as it's bad enough already. The only real winners in anything appear to be the weapons manufacturers
Iran will do fuck all. They'll sabre rattle and might do a token response but they know they can't enter a proper war with Israel. They'll just keep the proxy war going.
Hopefully that is it. Everything in the world these days feels like it's going to escalate to something
Quote from: astfgyl on July 31, 2024, 04:38:41 PMHopefully that is it. Everything in the world these days feels like it's going to escalate to something
It's the 80s pt.2 except without all the good thrash
Saw a story doing the rounds that Google searches for Trump assassination attempt were showing no results and that Facebook was removing the famous picture of him. So i checked it out myself and it was true in Google search the other day. Now I dunno about Facebook but I just searched him up there again with Google search and it appears to be back to normal now, after being highlighted.
Also I dunno about the ins and outs of how that happened but it's fairly relevant to the thread anyway and I was thinking it would be a bit of an own goal to do that because it would only reinforce the idea that the mainstream tech giants are conspiring against him
Quote from: Mooncat on July 31, 2024, 04:48:28 PMQuote from: astfgyl on July 31, 2024, 04:38:41 PMHopefully that is it. Everything in the world these days feels like it's going to escalate to something
It's the 80s pt.2 except without all the good thrash
With any luck it will lead into some 90s style revival of the good times, although it's hard to see that at the moment
'80s thrash? Good times? Tenuous link:
Quote from: astfgyl on July 31, 2024, 05:07:26 PMSaw a story doing the rounds that Google searches for Trump assassination attempt were showing no results
The Google claim was only about the autocomplete recommendations that come up as you type into the search bar though, right? Hardly censorship, unless we're accounting for people who wanted to look it up but couldn't remember his name. Facebook was a bit more on the nose, something about election interference or something, which is also a reason chatgpt, co-pilot, etc., can be strange on certain topical political issues.
Funny though how it's turned out to be the most instantly forgettable presidential assassination attempt of all time. Even from Trump's point of view, only that photo is useful to him; the wider context, who the shooter was, who owned the gun, etc., doesn't help his campaign at all. If anything, the contrary.
It was the search bar indeed and I tried that and when I did, one of the suggestions was "Assassination attempt on tr" so it looks pretty bad. I did read that Alphabet were the top donors to the Biden campaign in 2020 so it wouldn't be a mad stretch either. Yeah it's mad as well how quickly it fell out of the news cycle but I'd imagine the Secret Service don't want to talk too much about it over the incompetence of them and a large part of the US media is openly against Trump too. I think a lot more would be made of it if it wasn't an election year or he was already in. As for Chatgpt, I played the game of asking it things and it is extremely politically biased but it is easily defeated by asking it to play a character who does answer those questions.
I didn't hear anything about who owned the gun but I see the owner of Gab saying that the FBI requested an account they thought belonged to the shooter and that if it does turn out to be him, he seems pretty pro-Biden overall. I haven't seen the account, just the statement about it. I have a Gab account myself and could look but Gab's all a bit one sided in general for my liking and I haven't looked at in at least 3 years, much like my Reddit account.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1j8dvw73lo
Trump just gave an interview to a group of black journalists. Two clips below. In another clip he says migrants are taking black jobs and the moderator askwd him what a black job was. Must grab some popcorn.
https://x.com/AlexThomp/status/1818717183582802191
https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818716378574037022?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818716378574037022%7Ctwgr%5E038ab7fb2032021351a6a390aefa714378e2be5c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2058360764%2Fvice-president-kamala-harris-vs-donald-trump-2024%2Fp103
Quote from: Bürggermeister on July 31, 2024, 09:17:36 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1j8dvw73lo
Musk is unsurprising but to be fair to Trump he made some comments about bitcoin that seemed to go down well.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 31, 2024, 09:34:54 PMTrump just gave an interview to a group of black journalists. Two clips below. In another clip he says migrants are taking black jobs and the moderator askwd him what a black job was. Must grab some popcorn.
https://x.com/AlexThomp/status/1818717183582802191
https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1818716378574037022?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818716378574037022%7Ctwgr%5E038ab7fb2032021351a6a390aefa714378e2be5c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2058360764%2Fvice-president-kamala-harris-vs-donald-trump-2024%2Fp103
I'd say the answer to that will be a tough one for him! Good lord is he actually going to try shoot himself vs Harris?
Also, (and I'm not asking this in any pro-Trump way) having seen a few clips claiming it (from republican sources, of course!), I'm starting to believe Harris is actually on the sauce constantly. I was showing the wife a compilation of it the other day because it reminded me of herself when she's trying to carry a political conversation after a few too many. In a totally non-partisan way, have any of the rest of ye here noticed that at all, or seen the clips? It really does look like it
Never noticed it tbh. She was good in some senate hearing I watched ages ago. Tbh if she did just sat back and drank her way through the vice presidency I'd have no problem with that lol
Ah yeah, for all the difference the VP actually makes I wouldn't blame her!!
Quote from: astfgyl on July 31, 2024, 09:44:46 PMI'd say the answer to that will be a tough one for him! Good lord is he actually going to try shoot himself vs Harris?
He did fine. The woman interviewing him was very hostel towards him and he handled it well. She opened up with a loaded question and he destroyed her. The Twitter post above is bullshit if you watch the interview it is clear the crowd are laughing with him not at him. TDS seems to be back in full swing and panic is setting in now.
Are they saying Boo or Boo-urns?
Quote from: mickO))) on August 01, 2024, 09:19:49 AMQuote from: astfgyl on July 31, 2024, 09:44:46 PMI'd say the answer to that will be a tough one for him! Good lord is he actually going to try shoot himself vs Harris?
He did fine. The woman interviewing him was very hostel towards him and he handled it well. She opened up with a loaded question and he destroyed her. The Twitter post above is bullshit if you watch the interview it is clear the crowd are laughing with him not at him. TDS seems to be back in full swing and panic is setting in now.
I don't know want you define as fine but it was a total shitshow. He doesn't like a question and starts rambling about fake news and other bollocks. If any other politician had an interview like that they'd be canned. And interviewers are there to ask tough questions. It says a lot when the interview was scheduled for an hour and his own people pulled it after 35 minutes.
I think he did do fine and that the interviewers fumbled the ball, but there's a lot of context missing: like him blaming the delay on the hosts having equipment issues when it was actually a dispute over live fact-checking, which they had to compromise on in the end. That's a pity, because every single answer he gave would have been fact-checked. I watched it to the end but actually got pretty bored. His endless "They say it's X%, but I think it's more/less/whatever suits me" is very tiresome at this point. And there are several points where it's unmistakeable that the crowd are laughing either at him or in sheer disbelief at what he's saying. He did get a couple of chuckles, but each time less than he was expecting. And the reception when he arrived on stage, muted is the only word for it. But overall, he did actually carry himself rather well. Better than the first journalist to tackle him, who was presumably riled up about him refusing the live fact-check, etc., but better composure from her in particular I think would have made quite a difference.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 01, 2024, 10:31:55 AMI don't know want you define as fine but it was a total shitshow. He doesn't like a question and starts rambling about fake news and other bollocks. If any other politician had an interview like that they'd be canned. And interviewers are there to ask tough questions. It says a lot when the interview was scheduled for an hour and his own people pulled it after 35 minutes.
Do you really believe any other politician be it Harris, Biden or whoever else would have been interviewed in the same manner Trump was? Or they would have been asked the questions with the same hostile attitude? It is very rare that you see these types of interviewers ask tough questions but she didn't ask tough questions she just phrased things in way to try and trip him up to get the sound bite for the likes of twitter posts you linked above and it failed miserably.
The entire interview she was saying black this, black that and it was a black journalists conference then she jumps on him when he says black jobs.
Harris was suppose to be there which is the reason why he agreed to it and then he was told when he arrived that she wasn't going to show up.
"was told when he arrived" feels like bullshit. Harris and her team were holding a campaign rally in Texas at the same time (the NABJ convention was in Chicago). Not a surprise rally either, but a publicly advertised one which Trump's team absolutely would have been aware of. As with blaming equipment for the delay when actually it was his team disputing live fact-checking, Trump was either lying or he has the most incompetent team imaginable.
But I still agree with you that the ball was fumbled due to excessive hostility. When I watched the whole thing, I was taken aback that the clip I'd already seen was actually the first question. Bad tactics and Trump held himself well. While lying through his teeth. Generally good optics overall for him, typical bullshit content, and only a few times where his level of BS damaged the optics. Natural that people will focus on those moments. And if he'd been fact-checked live, there'd have been a lot more of them.
Quote from: mickO))) on August 01, 2024, 09:19:49 AMQuote from: astfgyl on July 31, 2024, 09:44:46 PMI'd say the answer to that will be a tough one for him! Good lord is he actually going to try shoot himself vs Harris?
He did fine. The woman interviewing him was very hostel towards him and he handled it well. She opened up with a loaded question and he destroyed her. The Twitter post above is bullshit if you watch the interview it is clear the crowd are laughing with him not at him. TDS seems to be back in full swing and panic is setting in now.
Having seen a few clips since, he made shit of that obviously biased and hostile interviewer and the crowd was definitely laughing with him
Edit: reading the criticisms of him above and fair enough he can be full of shit when he likes but Harris is fuller of shitter than anything I've ever seen so he's still a better pick if one has to pick, which I don't. I still can't believe they'd pick her tbh, they must have had better than that
He can be full of shit when he likes? As in, all the time? :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 01, 2024, 02:17:32 PMHe can be full of shit when he likes? As in, all the time? :laugh:
He says some good stuff sometimes but it does be fairly obscured a lot too.
Kyle Rittenhouse is after causing some MAGA pain, I see. The fucking laughing I was doing reading comments from people who donated money to his legal defense fund and are now devastated. Ah jaysus it's brilliant.
https://x.com/intheMatrixxx/status/1819368970530521297?t=5W88qde29WfP1vLFgsQ6YQ&s=19
There's the what of it.
The fucking song at the end ah here ffs hey Shep you really need this for your alarm tone lol
Harris' VP choice: Tim Walz.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/03/who-is-tim-walz-potential-vp-kamala-harris
Strategically, an essentially picture perfect pick.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 06, 2024, 03:18:57 PMHarris' VP choice: Tim Walz.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/03/who-is-tim-walz-potential-vp-kamala-harris
Strategically, an essentially picture perfect pick.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 06, 2024, 03:18:57 PMHarris' VP choice: Tim Walz.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/03/who-is-tim-walz-potential-vp-kamala-harris
Strategically, an essentially picture perfect pick.
Aye. Mark kelly would have been good too.
Almost synchronicity here. MAGA voter asks Trump what he's going to do to help make life affordable for him and his working kids. Answer: a stream of bullshit masking the void that is Trump's class of people's esteem for the ordinary folk they make a living off exploiting:
https://x.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1821310132459884877
More of the true conservative arse-showing. Ben Shapiro commenting on Walz not owning any shares:
https://x.com/benshapiro/status/1821323343338836344
https://x.com/CourageHabit/status/1821692982619161029?t=9s9Jxy7PVelAc8oBc_MAGw&s=19
Here lads, she's drunk. Every clip she looks 6 pints deep
Quote from: astfgyl on August 09, 2024, 01:55:55 PMhttps://x.com/CourageHabit/status/1821692982619161029?t=9s9Jxy7PVelAc8oBc_MAGw&s=19
Here lads, she's drunk. Every clip she looks 6 pints deep
Wouldn't day she's drunk but who knows. She comes across a lot better here.
https://youtu.be/bHd_UlebyoM?si=8RcQQBTNMLcbQudg
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 09, 2024, 04:47:38 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 09, 2024, 01:55:55 PMhttps://x.com/CourageHabit/status/1821692982619161029?t=9s9Jxy7PVelAc8oBc_MAGw&s=19
Here lads, she's drunk. Every clip she looks 6 pints deep
Wouldn't day she's drunk but who knows. She comes across a lot better here.
https://youtu.be/bHd_UlebyoM?si=8RcQQBTNMLcbQudg
That video makes me even more convinced that she's drunk nearly all the time but to be fair she has him rightly on the ropes there and I'm surprised to see her so lucid
Drunk? Did someone say drunk? Sounds like amphetamines on top to me too...
https://x.com/RexChapman/status/1823393637725856168
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 13, 2024, 08:13:31 PMDrunk? Did someone say drunk? Sounds like amphetamines on top to me too...
https://x.com/RexChapman/status/1823393637725856168
What the fuck happened to his voice :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on August 09, 2024, 01:55:55 PMhttps://x.com/CourageHabit/status/1821692982619161029?t=9s9Jxy7PVelAc8oBc_MAGw&s=19
Here lads, she's drunk. Every clip she looks 6 pints deep
Yer man Josh Hawley is the king of the grill at those senate hearings. He's a wit and an intellect also, unlike that lemon Harris.
https://youtu.be/kxCcTK5u4-M?si=A33HyF9FBeI4aBMA
Trump having a funny voice does not in any way take away from how unimaginably shit Harris is as a presidential candidate or the fact she looks locked all the time. I can't believe some lads here are so invested in their political leanings as to not be laughing at how shit she is
Jesus look at the competition, lad :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on August 13, 2024, 10:08:38 PMTrump having a funny voice
The voice, though hilarious, is secondary. Listen to what he's
saying :laugh:
Ah they're both awful in the most South Park way possible but I'm still wondering what it was Trump did during his first term that made him such a threat to world peace and all that when he got into no wars or anything and yet Obama won the Nobel peace prize during his term.
His story there about putin is absolutely ridiculous sounding yeah but there's no way anyone here can seriously entertain the idea that Harris is somehow better as a candidate.
The both of them are making a great case for Kennedy, who has many a shortcoming of his own but fuck me the choices there are a bad as our own last presidential election
Again, I don't know where you get your news, but Trump, even by his own standards, has been projectile vomiting bullshit ever since Biden dropped out of the race. Side by side, Harris (who to my eyes is just a run-of-the-mill Democrat, no more no less, warts and all) very much looks like the more competent candidate. All the more so with Walz next to her compared to Vance next to Donald. And we can expect his puerile behavior to get worse if and when the polls start looking grim for him.
You mean Walz, the lad who got caught out bullshitting about fighting in Vietnam?
She's an awful ball of shite candidate, but she's the bookies favourite now.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 07:39:55 AMYou mean Walz, the lad who got caught out bullshitting about fighting in Vietnam?
The very one. He said he'd fought in Vietnam but then wily members of the opposition pointed out that he was only 11 years old when the Vietnam War ended in 1975. Walz your way outta that one Tim! :P
More seriously, yeah, that Walz:
https://apnews.com/article/walz-national-guard-military-ae43d684bf1319e535f9f620552155d7
He said he carried a gun in a war, but it turned out that was untrue. Foolish behaviour considering there's an army of republicans minions waiting to pounce on any bullshit.
Yeah. I don't think when he said it in 2018 he was expecting to be where he is now. It's the campaign who fucked up more by putting the clip he said it in (some yoke about gun control) back into circulation.
Apart from insisting on defending the indefensible around the Israelis, surely Kennedy would be man if his well hadn't been poisoned by both sides.
On the other hand, the Ukraine conflict is almost certain to continue unabated under Harris. As much as I enjoy Trump, Joe Rogan has swayed me somewhat.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 07:24:55 AMAgain, I don't know where you get your news, but Trump, even by his own standards, has been projectile vomiting bullshit ever since Biden dropped out of the race. Side by side, Harris (who to my eyes is just a run-of-the-mill Democrat, no more no less, warts and all) very much looks like the more competent candidate. All the more so with Walz next to her compared to Vance next to Donald. And we can expect his puerile behavior to get worse if and when the polls start looking grim for him.
Ah no you're hopelessly biased
Quote from: astfgyl on August 14, 2024, 09:55:50 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 07:24:55 AMAgain, I don't know where you get your news, but Trump, even by his own standards, has been projectile vomiting bullshit ever since Biden dropped out of the race. Side by side, Harris (who to my eyes is just a run-of-the-mill Democrat, no more no less, warts and all) very much looks like the more competent candidate. All the more so with Walz next to her compared to Vance next to Donald. And we can expect his puerile behavior to get worse if and when the polls start looking grim for him.
Ah no you're hopelessly biased
I'll bite. In what way is trump better than harris. Policy wise. Or maybe human wise, as in trumps a bit of a rapist or sexual abuser. What's the bar?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 08:27:31 AMApart from insisting on defending the indefensible around the Israelis, surely Kennedy would be man if his well hadn't been poisoned by both sides.
On the other hand, the Ukraine conflict is almost certain to continue unabated under Harris. As much as I enjoy Trump, Joe Rogan has swayed me somewhat.
As regards Ukraine. What would trump do differently. Organise a peace pact giving Ukrainian territory to Russia. Or?
I'm definitely biased against Trump: he's so objectively awful a human being that I find it difficult to be measured when judging his individual acts. But I do think Harris is objectively the stronger presidential candidate... as in, has a better chance of winning, regardless of whether she'll be a better or worse actual president. And I didn't think that when it was first floated that she was going to be the candidate.
Also with waltz. As governor or minnesota he recorded budget surpluses and used that money tod deliver tax credits to seniors, working families and students.
He also created a paid family and medical leave program, made college tuition free for certain students, legalised marajuana ( :abbath: ), invested in affordable housing and instituted clean energy measures. He raised taxes for the rich and lowered for the poor. Also brought in free breakfast and lunch meals for kids on school. And signed a 2.6 billion bill to support construction jobs in repairing bridges, roads etc.
What an awful VP candidate he is.
Impressive googling there Ollie. You could roll out similar 'wins' for DeSantis, Trump etc if you were on the right (for instance, I don't think raising taxes for the 'rich' is inherently a good thing). Nobody said he was a poor choice as such, but he was caught out talking shite, endy story.
As regards Ukraine, it could be argued that the principal trigger for the conflict was the continued expansion of NATO. Trump has questioned (quite rightly) why the Americans are subsidising the defence of the other members, going as far as to question the usefulness of its continued existence. He isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be.
The fact of the matter is that his term was nowhere near as warlike as either Obama or Biden, let alone Clinton or Little Bush.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 10:44:19 AMImpressive googling there Ollie. You could roll out similar 'wins' for DeSantis, Trump etc if you were on the right (for instance, I don't think raising taxes for the 'rich' is inherently a good thing). Nobody said he was a poor choice as such, but he was caught out talking shite, endy story.
As regards Ukraine, it could be argued that the principal trigger for the conflict was the continued expansion of NATO. Trump has questioned (quite rightly) why the Americans are subsidising the defence of the other members, going as far as to question the usefulness of its continued existence. He isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be.
The fact of the matter is that his term was nowhere near as warlike as either Obama or Biden, let alone Clinton or Little Bush.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 10:44:19 AMImpressive googling there Ollie. You could roll out similar 'wins' for DeSantis, Trump etc if you were on the right (for instance, I don't think raising taxes for the 'rich' is inherently a good thing). Nobody said he was a poor choice as such, but he was caught out talking shite, endy story.
As regards Ukraine, it could be argued that the principal trigger for the conflict was the continued expansion of NATO. Trump has questioned (quite rightly) why the Americans are subsidising the defence of the other members, going as far as to question the usefulness of its continued existence. He isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be.
The fact of the matter is that his term was nowhere near as warlike as either Obama or Biden, let alone Clinton or Little Bush.
What are the wins for Trump though when he was in office?
Now Putin could have taken a different tack to the nato expansion but he just invaded a sovereign country. With no disregard for Ukrainian lives or even the lives of his soldiers. And yes Trumps term was less warlike but Putin didn't invade on Trumps watch. What should Trump do if he gets the presidency?
QuoteHe isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be
I thought military spending was just about the closest thing to an issue that GOP and DNC see eye to eye on..? I don't think there was any drop in military spending during his mandate. Not sure though. I'd have to google that, which is apparently a remark-worthy act in itself now!
I'm not saying Putin is the right, however from the Russian perspective, they were provoked passed the point of tolerance. Boris Johnson was flown in at the behest of his American overlords Blinken and Biden to put the kibosh on a peace deal very early in the conflict, promising unlimited aid, a la the Israelis. Ukrainian lives are of little import to either 'side' it seems, but that's a separate issue.
Trumps wins are going to be relative as it's clear to the meanest of intellects that you and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. However, he made pentagon spending more transparent, gave aid into the billions for ailing farmers, made enormous tax cuts etc. He wasn't bombing cunts left right and centre or gaslighting the gaff with sabre rattling bullshit like others. It wasn't all great but listen, the man could cure cancer and reanimate Chuck Schuldiner and you and Chris and the half of the American population who would vote for anything with a pulse over the lad wouldn't alter course.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 11:10:36 AMQuoteHe isn't beholden to state sponsored arms dealers in the same way that Biden was and Harris will be
I thought military spending was just about the closest thing to an issue that GOP and DNC see eye to eye on..? I don't think there was any drop in military spending during his mandate. Not sure though. I'd have to google that, which is apparently a remark-worthy act in itself now!
You're missing the point. The subsidising of the balance of NATO is what he is proposing to eliminate. Iceland, for example, has no army of its own, just Americans on base there.
He also questioned why American soldiers are still based all over the world, and why the expense should be borne by them. Fair point boyz.
But... he was bombing left, right and centre. And he made that less transparent (pretty sure it was talked about on here at the time... his pursuit of drone strikes in general was anyway):
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/06/trump-civilian-deaths-drone-strikes-1207409
A drop in the ocean compared to the two slices of mouldy bread he was sandwiched between.
Drone strikes increased under trump. Doesn't matter much as the pricks were at it.
Maybe, but he fired that prick Bolton and dismissed any notions of attacking Iran. His philosophy is focussing American economic power as a tool of coercion and giving preference to domestic issues rather than foreign adventurism.
They are all pricks, but he's less bloodthirsty than most.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 01:29:56 PMMaybe, but he fired that prick Bolton and dismissed any notions of attacking Iran. His philosophy is focussing American economic power as a tool of coercion and giving preference to domestic issues rather than foreign adventurism.
They are all pricks, but he's less bloodthirsty than most.
We can all agree Bolton is a nasty piece of shit. Is America pulling back from foreign intervention a good or bad thing. Now take Iraq and Afghanistan and the likes it's been
fucking awful. But if they totally pulled back what would China and Russia start doing. If there's no one to stand up to Russia would he go back for Georgia again and others?
China want Taiwan. There is a deterrent in place already, American bases in Spain, Germany or Kosovo make zero difference to that.
The western anti-Russian propaganda since the start of the conflict with Ukraine is absolutely laughable, complete bullshit about wanting to plough into Poland and Lithuania. The objective, clear enough, is to rally public opinion and dampen a war-weary public's growing apathy. Russian state TV is as one-sided and dishonest as you'd expect. The Guardian, BBC and all the other usual suspects are equally cuntish, without the caveat of ostensibly having a dog in the fight. Whatever your position on this situation it didn't just fall out of the sky. There are guidelines in most mainstream outlets about playing down Russian successes and sexing the Ukrainians up to the max, like what's happening this week, which is a desperate publicity stunt doomed to ignominy. But the BBC are going on like it's the liberation of Paris.
Result? Wholesale brainwashing on both sides and ordinary people not really knowing what the fuck is happening.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 08:27:31 AMApart from insisting on defending the indefensible around the Israelis, surely Kennedy would be man if his well hadn't been poisoned by both sides.
Democrats are throwing loads of money at trying to get him removed from the ballot in as many states they can.
Hard to know whether he'd take more votes away from Harris or Trump.
It's a testament to how divisive Trump is that his detractors are practicing such self delusion about Harris. She's achieved nothing of note, had next to no supporters in the primary in 2019 and has made a fool of herself to such an extent that she was shuffled stage right for the guts of 18 months.
Now she's 'historic', 'driven' and our boy in blue here even calls her 'competent'.
She's a DEI hire foisted into a position she should never have been anywhere near.
But sure she's not Trump or a coffin dodger, and that might be enough, which is an incredible state of affairs.
*'more competent'
Calling her a DEI hire is 'anti-woke' nonsense. She was no more a DEI hire than Walz is a DEI hire, in that she was the perfect profile to appeal to Democrat voters who had an Obama hangover when faced with the prospect of Biden, just as Walz is the perfect complement to her.
Walz is more of a 'dilute the DEI' hire.
It's just called good electoral strategy. Trump's team have displayed precisely none of it. Maybe they were scared their ill-educated, misinformed mass voter base would accuse them of a DEI choice!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 05:05:31 PMWalz is more of a 'dilute the DEI' hire.
Whatever about harris Waltz is a good pick. Plays the down to earth American guy. Whether that's true or not (and in fairness in his role as governor he's brought in good things) means fuck all. Optics are he's down to earth. As opposed to JD vance. Like wtf would u pick him as VP. Why didn't he select a moderate to get floating voters.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 05:18:09 PMIt's just called good electoral strategy. Trump's team have displayed precisely none of it. Maybe they were scared their ill-educated, misinformed mass voter base would accuse them of a DEI choice!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 05:18:09 PMIt's just called good electoral strategy. Trump's team have displayed precisely none of it. Maybe they were scared their ill-educated, misinformed mass voter base would accuse them of a DEI choice!
Call it what you want, she wasn't hired on merit.
Ill-educated, misinformed voter base. What a cretinous statement. What, like they didn't go to college like you and all the other university smart cunts? Neither did most of my family.
You're interpreting descriptive lament as judgemental insult:
General education in the USA = shit.
Largest share of homeschooled children = conservatives.
Misinformed = primarily by their own candidate.
I'm a first generation university student myself ;)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 05:41:07 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 05:18:09 PMIt's just called good electoral strategy. Trump's team have displayed precisely none of it. Maybe they were scared their ill-educated, misinformed mass voter base would accuse them of a DEI choice!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 05:18:09 PMIt's just called good electoral strategy. Trump's team have displayed precisely none of it. Maybe they were scared their ill-educated, misinformed mass voter base would accuse them of a DEI choice!
Call it what you want, she wasn't hired on merit.
Ill-educated, misinformed voter base. What a cretinous statement. What, like they didn't go to college like you and all the other university smart cunts? Neither did most of my family.
If you're third level educated you're more likely to vote democrat. If you're poorly educated you're more likely to vote republican. All the data backs that up. Like one of the tenets of project 2025 was to defund the department of education. The republicans want a poorly educated electorate.
Now that doesn't mean you should vote democrat or republican based on your education level. You should vote on policies. Believe it or not I hate the Democrats as well. They talk a good talk but are wedged to big business and don't deliver on their promises. Just I hate the republican party more. If I could vote in the usa, I would have voted for John McCain. A proper republican.
Sure just look at the state of the media produced and targeted at Republican voters. That's where the real insult to people's intelligence is, not in anyone objectively describing the general education system in the US as an absolute, albeit largely intentional, failure. And yeah, Trump has already personally stated that project 2025 thing, saying he'll close the department of education. No cause for concern!!
What, and Kamala Harris' promo is any better?
Best not to make sweeping generalisations about 80 million people because they like the guy you don't with, at best, crass and unoriginal barbs like ill-educated.
As for misinformed, the view, morning Joe and proven liar Rachel Maddow (a lesbian who loves vaccines, you must follow her on instagram) are vehemently anti-Trump and doggedly produce the most inane, hysterical bullshit out there.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 14, 2024, 05:49:50 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 05:41:07 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 05:18:09 PMIt's just called good electoral strategy. Trump's team have displayed precisely none of it. Maybe they were scared their ill-educated, misinformed mass voter base would accuse them of a DEI choice!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 05:18:09 PMIt's just called good electoral strategy. Trump's team have displayed precisely none of it. Maybe they were scared their ill-educated, misinformed mass voter base would accuse them of a DEI choice!
Call it what you want, she wasn't hired on merit.
Ill-educated, misinformed voter base. What a cretinous statement. What, like they didn't go to college like you and all the other university smart cunts? Neither did most of my family.
If you're third level educated you're more likely to vote democrat. If you're poorly educated you're more likely to vote republican. All the data backs that up. Like one of the tenets of project 2025 was to defund the department of education. The republicans want a poorly educated electorate.
Now that doesn't mean you should vote democrat or republican based on your education level. You should vote on policies. Believe it or not I hate the Democrats as well. They talk a good talk but are wedged to big business and don't deliver on their promises. Just I hate the republican party more. If I could vote in the usa, I would have voted for John McCain. A proper republican.
Grand post, but the correlation of college educated and being somehow a higher calibre of voter is spurious.
Not often I'd completely agree with BSC and totally disagree with young Kev but here we are.
Yokes on a Wednesday!
The missus musta slipped something in my tea :laugh:
I am reaching somewhat, because in my heart of hearts, I think Trump is fucked now.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 06:09:02 PMBest not to make sweeping generalisations about 80 million people because they like the guy you don't with, at best, crass and unoriginal barbs like ill-educated.
They're ill-educated through no fault of their own and it doesn't mean they're naturally unintelligent. It's because I believe good education works that I believe neglecting education is criminal. The Democrats are pretty much just as guilty for the overall state of things in general education in the US. Fact remains that Republicans more than Democrats specifically target the demographically worst educated, as in pointedly and knowingly exploit the fact that they have millions of poorly educated voters who are all the easier to misinform, especially in terms of distracting their attention away from what are genuinely the most vital issues for them and their families.
Same old song like, GOP are just a particularly blatant example of it in the world today. Get them country folk in a tizzy about woke and all that mad satanic city shit, moral panics, yadda yadda: don't be acting surprised about political machinations you've known about for at least 20 years. The GOP work by classic tabloid logic, full stop: Fox News... Murdoch... I mean, you're right, I'm not saying anything original here at all. But I'm not being crass: that's the cunts twisting the dials.
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 14, 2024, 06:15:28 PMNot often I'd completely agree with BSC and totally disagree with young Kev but here we are.
Might pour meself a whiskey to mark the occasion! :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 06:12:57 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on August 14, 2024, 05:49:50 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 05:41:07 PMGrand post, but the correlation of college educated and being somehow a higher calibre of voter is spurious.
Never said it was. Just outlined what the demographic is. A vote is a vote. Unless you're JD Vance who says an American with a family should have more votes than a person without kids. Idiot.
See that musk trump interview. The bit where musk said he'd take a job streamlining the public service and trump going ya you're a great cutter. As in jobs. This won't play well at all. Already the unions are going wtf. Basically saying we'll cut American jobs. How do you think that's going to play well with American voters.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 06:45:26 PMQuote from: Emphyrio on August 14, 2024, 06:15:28 PMNot often I'd completely agree with BSC and totally disagree with young Kev but here we are.
Might pour meself a whiskey to mark the occasion! :laugh:
Could be quote of the week. :laugh:
Paddy Power (avoid the whiskeys in that name if you're having one lad) have Harris odds on now.
As regards Vance, I presume the thinking was that he was converted into Magacist after being highly critical of Trump, so you can be too kind of thing.
The title of his book 'Hillbilly Elegy' is to me what the sound of the ice cream van is to a 7 year old, as you can imagine.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 10:44:19 AMAs regards Ukraine, it could be argued that the principal trigger for the conflict was the continued expansion of NATO.
It could be argued, but it is the official Putin line you'd be regurgitating and quite divorced from reality. In short, you're talking utter bollocks.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2019/05/16/glazyev-tapes-continued-ukraine-presents-new-details-of-russian-takeover-of-crimea-and-financing-of-separatism/
Perhaps if Vlad hadn't been fucking around in the affairs of another country, Ukraine might not have eventually courted NATO long
after all this bullshit.
Your second paragraph doesn't make sense. 'Divorced from reality' ha ha.
NATO chiefs have acknowledged publicly that their organisation's expansion contributed to the conflagration. I merely stated that one could argue the point which sounder intellects than mine like Professor Mearsheimer and others have explained eloquently enough. They are easy to find.
https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/nato-chief-admits-expansion-behind-russian-invasion?format=amp
You clearly feel quite strongly, but it doesn't hurt to look at it from the contrarian position rather than 'Putin is Hitler' etc.
Also making your point with a link to a euromaidan article is foolish.
It's got to sting, lad, but you're not the first to fall for the lies. You won't be the last. Don't belive me, take it form the horse's mouth
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67828
Quote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 09:10:03 PMAlso making your point with a link to a euromaidan article is foolish.
Your usual shite of deflecting the point by attacking the site they're on so you don't have to confront the content.
Search for the Glazyev Tapes through any service provider you like.
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 14, 2024, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: astfgyl on August 14, 2024, 09:55:50 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 07:24:55 AMAgain, I don't know where you get your news, but Trump, even by his own standards, has been projectile vomiting bullshit ever since Biden dropped out of the race. Side by side, Harris (who to my eyes is just a run-of-the-mill Democrat, no more no less, warts and all) very much looks like the more competent candidate. All the more so with Walz next to her compared to Vance next to Donald. And we can expect his puerile behavior to get worse if and when the polls start looking grim for him.
Ah no you're hopelessly biased
I'll bite. In what way is trump better than harris. Policy wise. Or maybe human wise, as in trumps a bit of a rapist or sexual abuser. What's the bar?
He's convicted of rape now is he?
Look lad, you seem to believe I'm an apologist for Russia because I said NATO expansion (among other things) may have paved the road to war. Looking at it soberly, that's surely the case, but not the sole factor. They've come out and said it themselves.
I don't quite understand why that theory incenses you so much.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 14, 2024, 09:20:57 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on August 14, 2024, 09:10:03 PMAlso making your point with a link to a euromaidan article is foolish.
I read the article, and I didn't dismiss the content. But linking the most biased source possible is foolish, if it's an argument your after.
Your usual shite of deflecting the point by attacking the site they're on so you don't have to confront the content.
Search for the Glazyev Tapes through any service provider you like.
"You're all going to be thrown into a communist system. It's a communist system. You're gonna be thrown into a system wheeere everybody gets health care."
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1824188422292115595
I think more of his potential voters than he seems to realize are, right now, wishing they had health care.
Then this. Genuine stupidity or cynical insulting of his electorate's intelligence? You decide!
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1824187096401318126
Yes, I believe 100 percent is a very conservative estimate. I can picture at least 150 percent of his voter base buying into it.
Yes, this is simply the nature of turncoat politics wherever it occurs (and it occurs essentially everywhere), but it's still amusing to see current allies of his being among the first to articulate exactly the same criticisms his adversaries still point to:
https://x.com/kamala_wins47/status/1824863924983873555
I actually think Trump is going to fumble what should be a clear win through his own silliness and lack of anything sensible sounding coming from him even while the opposition has been at sixes and sevens for the last few months.
I think Harris (well not her personally) will capitalise on how many people are sick of extremes and will try to play to the middle ground and it will win for her.
Yeah, and they're already playing to that tactic with the approach of highlighting as "weird" the endless supply of MAGA-associated antics, the contrary to "weird" being normal/the norm/the middle ground.
It's rather well played, I have to say. Neuro linguistic programming at its finest for the casual observer but I firmly believe that works and they've hit a winner with it. What does he have to come back with, "I'm not weird" or something? That'll only make it worse.
It's playground stuff really but it's effective
I read Kennedy is dropping out of the race. That would be good news for Trump but I don't think it's enough to overcome the "Weird" thing, which the more I think about, has to be one of the cleverest moves that could have been made.
They've still got "Creepy fucker" up their sleeve too. Game on.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 21, 2024, 07:32:04 PMThey've still got "Creepy fucker" up their sleeve too. Game on.
Ah please god they'll draw that out as well. I'm actually going to put a few bob on Harris winning because I just don't think the republicans will be able to counter it with anything meaningful for the middle ground. I think either candidate winning would be a fairly fatal blow to common sense BTW, but still as a casual observer it's a fun watch
https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1827006262485086284?t=5CpajZ8iVZMEyni44lCqag&s=19
Quote from: astfgyl on August 21, 2024, 07:51:21 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on August 21, 2024, 07:32:04 PMThey've still got "Creepy fucker" up their sleeve too. Game on.
Ah please god they'll draw that out as well. I'm actually going to put a few bob on Harris winning because I just don't think the republicans will be able to counter it with anything meaningful for the middle ground. I think either candidate winning would be a fairly fatal blow to common sense BTW, but still as a casual observer it's a fun watch
Quote from: astfgyl on August 21, 2024, 07:51:21 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on August 21, 2024, 07:32:04 PMThey've still got "Creepy fucker" up their sleeve too. Game on.
Ah please god they'll draw that out as well. I'm actually going to put a few bob on Harris winning because I just don't think the republicans will be able to counter it with anything meaningful for the middle ground. I think either candidate winning would be a fairly fatal blow to common sense BTW, but still as a casual observer it's a fun watch
I have a score on with the missus that she beats him mainly because I think his shoot from the hip style will catch him out yet and he'll be drawn into saying something REALLY suicidal to his cause, maybe even in the live debate where she has a clear advantage over him. It could be a race thing or a gender remark but somewhere along the line he's gonna put his big foot in it. Basically if he sticks to policy I think Trump wins but the man can't help himself and we all saw his supporters goading him on to go with the personal attacks the other night. More proof that the average Trump supporter just loves the entertainment value of the guy . Fuck sound policies,just give us big dumb electorate a good laugh
https://x.com/coachMattB77/status/1827191332105830515?t=t-TPXtIFZd_MBIgPsqxVrQ&s=19
Here's kennedys speech from the other day which is quite convincing if you can convince yourself that the Republicans are somehow better, which they aren't.
Bobby novax is a strange oul fucker, no doubt about, even if you're not a bear.
RFK content, get your RFK content:
https://x.com/Pleightx/status/1827363145456697735
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 24, 2024, 08:35:15 PMRFK content, get your RFK content:
https://x.com/Pleightx/status/1827363145456697735
That's it in a nutshell and I'm seeing accounts now who rubbished him for being a Democrat suddenly lauding him for throwing in with Trump
The media fawning over Harris is deeply troubling. I distinctly recall last year the same media were asking where the hell she even was, now she is the saviour of the western world all of a sudden. The bias isn't even subtle.
Quote from: leatherface on August 25, 2024, 10:06:23 AMThe media fawning over Harris is deeply troubling. I distinctly recall last year the same media were asking where the hell she even was, now she is the saviour of the western world all of a sudden. The bias isn't even subtle.
It's the exact same level of subtlety that they had during the Biden campaign and indeed right up until they couldn't pretend they hadn't noticed he was senile any more. Funny part is, if trump was a Democrat they'd be fawning over him in the same fashion as they have before. Anyone who looks can see it unless they're hopelessly biased themselves. The same can be applied to Trump coverage from conservative sources BTW, its just not as well played and a little less mainstream in terms of traditional press
Harris seems to be doing well lately. I'm hopeful that she will continue to build momentum and Hoover up the voters in the centre. I'm not bothered particularly whether the Republicans or Democrats are in power, but I detest Trump. Another four years of insanity with him at the helm is very unappealing and Harris and her team by all accounts are, at least rhetorically, moving away from a whacky far left extremist approach that would only fuel the fire for Trump, and in doing so they are playing a better game. One that may seek to leave the loopers on both sides out on the fringes and leave Trump with his dick in his hand. Here's hoping.
I dunno. I think all roads lead to Rome in any case and I would dislike Harris every bit as much as I would dislike Trump as a front for whoever is really running that place
Not me. Trump is too deranging to listen to. I can't comprehend how those who support him or find him the lesser of two evils (how???) jumped on every gaffe made by Old Joe. Despite being a dithery, doddery proto- corpse, he was infinitely more palatable and coherent than Trump.
Harris is Obama 2.0, plain and simple, and being pushed the same way Obama was. Which is not the same way Biden was being promoted. It wouldn't have been possible to push Biden in the same way as Harris or Obama. DNC definitely not making any friends among anti-war, "real" left base, but they're counting on them also being the most repulsed by the idea of Trump, which is a safe, albeit manipulative, bet.
I suppose the reality of the situation is that the job entails a greater or lesser amount of dirty work, depending on the geopolitical events that are going on at the time. So if a president comes out the other side squeaky clean, it probably had less to do with them as a person than it does with the wider mechanism behind them and the wars they are lucky enough to have avoided in the time frame they were in office. So yeah, they are a kind of brand or public face. But that's not to say they don't have power as we've seen with Trump's 4 years which were chaotic. That had a lot to do with world and national events, but also his inability to be a calming, moderating force. He was the exact opposite.
I find myself concerned more and more with Musk, as well. He is undoubtedly a genius and a visionary in terms of his science work. I find his big thinking inspiring. But on the flip side his takeover of Twitter has turned it from one cess pool into another. If he is trolling then it's bizarre that his subtlety of thinking, his creativity and insights in technology are so glaringly absent in his blatant and ugly lap-doggery to Trump. Is he just not clever enough to know he isn't remotely funny? He should stick to what he does well and leave the comedy and social commentary alone. If Trump got in and Musk was sucking his orange dick the way he has been, I wonder what kind of extra power and reach it would give to Trump. And I'm not sure what publicly fellating Trump has to do with free speech.
The list of where Musk got the money to takeoever twitter is quite interesting and, perhaps, offers greater insight into why he has hopped onto the Trump cesswagon
https://www.jacobsilverman.com/p/we-got-a-judge-to-unseal-a-list-of
https://x.com/DenisDanilovL/status/1827282706574537013?mx=2
https://cryptonews.com/news/elon-musks-x-reveals-shareholder-list-including-bill-ackman-binance-and-sean-diddy-combs.htm
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 25, 2024, 01:10:41 PMSo yeah, they are a kind of brand or public face. But that's not to say they don't have power as we've seen with Trump's 4 years which were chaotic. That had a lot to do with world and national events, but also his inability to be a calming, moderating force. He was the exact opposite.
The Democrats are currently the conservative force, in the sense that they merely want to carry on with the global US system that has been in place party-switch after party-switch for decades. MAGA want to warp that system into something worse. Folk go on about Trump not starting any wars, but he's more responsible for the environment in the Middle East in the lead up to Oct 7 than Biden, moving the embassy to Jerusalem, etc. Sure Netanyahu named a settlement after him: Trump Heights. That's kind of a side issue to what they have planned at home, but it's very much related to the same insane power Evangelical Christians have within MAGA and had in the White House when he was there and in the Supreme Court ever since. Mythology twinned with the most advanced military machinery humankind has ever known. The apocalyptic irony!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 25, 2024, 12:40:59 PMNot me. Trump is too deranging to listen to. I can't comprehend how those who support him or find him the lesser of two evils (how???) jumped on every gaffe made by Old Joe. Despite being a dithery, doddery proto- corpse, he was infinitely more palatable and coherent than Trump.
Funny how perspectives work because I would see that the exact opposite way while thinking it's all bad at the same time
Some kind of accordion needs to be reached.
https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1827097908727996809
Quote from: leatherface on August 25, 2024, 10:06:23 AMThe media fawning over Harris is deeply troubling. I distinctly recall last year the same media were asking where the hell she even was, now she is the saviour of the western world all of a sudden. The bias isn't even subtle.
Not surprising but hopefully people will remember what four years under Biden has been like and with Harris things will only get worse. I am still shocked they are going with Harris but sure when you have the full force of the main stream media on your side you can even see just on here how some people are already falling for it.
The "full force of the main stream media" minus the number one most popular cable news station (accounting for a full 50% of news viewership), that is. Seems more than just a detail.
Quote from: mickO))) on August 26, 2024, 10:12:37 AMQuote from: leatherface on August 25, 2024, 10:06:23 AMThe media fawning over Harris is deeply troubling. I distinctly recall last year the same media were asking where the hell she even was, now she is the saviour of the western world all of a sudden. The bias isn't even subtle.
Not surprising but hopefully people will remember what four years under Biden has been like and with Harris things will only get worse. I am still shocked they are going with Harris but sure when you have the full force of the main stream media on your side you can even see just on here how some people are already falling for it.
Funny, I don't keep up with the goings on of politicians in any close way, but the couple of channels I tune into- one more centre left and the other centre right- seem to have arrived at the same conclusion regarding the Democratic rally in Chicago. Both sides seem to think that while she is playing it safe, she is also looking more impressive and presidential than they had previously given her credit for. Maybe both sides are so sick of Trump and are concerned about the chaos that he well bring, and are being generous to her out of hope? Maybe they see her, and the Democrats' purported shift to the centre as a positive development. Maybe it's all bullshit and if she becomes president it'll be trans ops and pronouns all the way and all the Trumpites will be carted off to gulags. Probably she/ they can sense a need in America for less radical policies and less heated/ polarised politics and are capitalising on that. It's a power game, no question, but maybe they can cool things down a bit and bring some sense of normality back to proceedings. Maybe I'm just an optimist :laugh:
Fuck Obama, fuck Clinton & Clinton, fuck Biden, fuck Harris: I know every pus-dripping wart of the whole DNC schtick inside out. That doesn't in any way detract from the current incarnation of the Republican party being worse, and in ways that many either don't realize or are not willing to even entertain.
Let me post again this documentary about the extent of Evangelical Christian power right into the ear of Donald Trump since before he was in office and especially while he was there. Yes, they're mutually instrumentalizing each other (Trump clearly couldn't give a flying fuck about Christianity per se), but it is a bone-chilling combination of social aims:
https://youtu.be/IhT7oyDlBIk?si=68Oev6TWNRaxaoaa
In short, I'm really not interested in anyone's positive opinion on Trump/MAGA until they first square off to me how they swallow and assimilate his political marriage to the apocalyptic puritans. Which means learning about it rather than pretending it either doesn't exist or is secondary. It is core to MAGA.
The only positive I can think of is they didn't go into more wars while he was there. I think economically things were improving before covid, but that might be just swings and roundabouts and nothing to do with any policy of his at all tbf.
They really are crying out for a centrist there and I do think that's a winning ticket for Harris but I don't expect her to actually be a centrist after it settles.
The difference as I see it is that Harris doesn't seem to have much in the way of policies to run on as of yet, whereas the orange fella has said he'd do a few things, which would give him the edge from my perspective but then I'm not a us voter so I'm detached in a way the yanks probably are. I think the fact Harris is not Trump is her major selling point as was with Biden. They're both sort of entertaining in their own ways as well.
They haven't gone into any wars since Biden's been in either, so without even needing to debate what it actually means, that's that cancelled out.
What kinds of things has Trump said he'll do that you think are good? Shutting down the department of education?
Proxy wars in Ukraine and Palestine don't count? That's not cancelled out at all as I see it
Edit: the bitcoin idea, the end of DEI, the closing of the border, the charging of foreign countries for US support? Do any of those count or not? What has Harris got?
Edit 2: the department of education there seems to have an lgbq leaning that upsets people but they insist upon it, just like they do here. I've the two 9 year old lads here asking me stuff about that and the yank version seems to be bigger better faster harder stronger as is with all things yank and I've no issue with the lgb at all but just let kids be kids and stuff and leave it off a bit etc. If my own kids came out in the morning I'd have no issue with it or anything but it's a controversial subject whether you agree with that or not. Just because I think it's grand because I'm not Catholic, there's no consideration for the demographic at all and a lot of things seem defined to inflame rather than teach acceptance so I can see why some religious people won't like that but it's all riding roughshod over how they feel and that's not a way to do things unless you're trying to drive half the people there mad.
Here, would you go to Saudi Arabia and teach them about the virtues of live and let live and queer sex? No you absolutely would not and you would not because you'd be afraid to and you and I both know that's the truth yet in the next breath you'd tell me that islamophobia is a problem of some sort. That's the problem for the modern leftist: You can't even square your own circle, never mind anyone else's. "Oh Palestine the horror against those evil Jews" and all that shite but the Palestinians would mostly throw you off a building for your own beliefs.
The cognitive dissonance is very strong with the modern leftist and I predict you will obfuscate with whatever reply you give but definitely won't call a spade a spade but being realistic, everything you hate about evangelical Christians is amplified tenfold in Muslims and yet you will defend them to the hilt.
Explain how you get around that mad logic if you can
Trump may have done things differently wrt Ukraine but not Gaza. As I said above, he had a significant hand in increasing instability in the region prior to Oct 7th, at least in part due to following the wishes of his Evangelical advisors: the fundamentalist pastor of an Evangelical megachurch and one of Trump's personal advisors, Pastor Robert Jeffress, even spoke upon invitation at the opening when the embassy was moved to Jerusalem, him seeing it as a step towards Armageddon. Quite literally. Not alarming at all, eh?
Those policy proposals do exist, though I don't personally think any of them are that "good": (imo) bitcoin is a crock of shit which will create a bevy of new libertarian millionaires and billionaires while pushing us even further away from a global economy based on material resource management; I do think there are better policies available than DEI, but I don't think it's as big a deal in the daily lives of ordinary people as it is an effective culture war diversion away from improving the lives of those same people; regarding the border, they can close it if they like, I'd personally prefer to see more of a will towards tackling root causes in countries like Mexico, Nicaragua, Cuba, etc. (not something the DNC will necessarily do either); charging foreign countries to host US troops is a scheme aimed at pushing other NATO nations to increasing their own defense spending, at a time when global policies aimed at deescalation would (imo) be preferable - if Trump wanted instead to withdraw troops from foreign territories, that'd be a different matter (but in any case, on military spending, etc., the DNC are not any better).
LGBTQ again seems more of a culture war excuse hiding a more sinister reason to shut down the department of education: allowing states to shift funds towards faith-based education. Trump has already endorsed displaying of the Ten Commandments at school and various other things which dissolve the notion of the US being a pluralist secular state. Which leads on perfectly to your own attempt at a distraction from the actual subject:
Saudi Arabia is a theocracy. I'm not an advocate for any theocracies, and I especially don't want to see the US turn into one (which is the explicit desire of Trump's Evangelical advisors). One of the many reasons Hamas have been a negative force in Gaza since coming to power is because they made it more of a theocracy than it was under Fatah/the Palestinian Authority, a secular party. That's why Israel were happy to see Hamas take over, precisely because, unlike Fatah/the PA, Hamas couldn't be depicted as a credible interlocutor for peace.
No mad logic needed.
Had to wait until after work to come back on that one and I don't actually disagree with the points you're making there. I've no time for the evangelical shit either at all because I simply don't believe in it. I do, however, believe in human desire to be proven right and wouldn't put it past evangelical folks to try fulfil their own prophecies as best they can but I think Trump is playing up to them for votes more than anything (well unless he has found his god after having his botched ear piercing lately!) and I could see him ditching or sidelining a lot of that were he to get back in (which I honestly think he won't).
Trump is a capitalist pure and simple and I'm not so I obviously won't be in agreement with him in general but I think greater wealth transfer has happened under the Biden and Obama administrations than under the trump one so I just can't see a way to agree with this idea that they will do anything better or fairer at all
He very much did the opposite of ditching or sidelining the evangelical shit when he was voted in last time, why would you imagine he would do differently if he got in this time?
https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1828208501925257631?t=TnunJkyyqrcQW_n-5eX2QA&s=19
Unrelated to the current thread, but this one's a bit of a turn up for the books.
Anyway, cosying up to one's voter base would be regular stuff. Did he enact any policies in that direction?
https://x.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1828451144508600491
What a present :laugh:
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 27, 2024, 08:08:57 PMhttps://x.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1828451144508600491
What a present :laugh:
I know what Shep will be getting for Christmas....
Biden cards :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 27, 2024, 07:01:45 PMHe very much did the opposite of ditching or sidelining the evangelical shit when he was voted in last time, why would you imagine he would do differently if he got in this time?
Second term. Nobody gets a third go as American president. You can tell people to get to fuck in your last run and not worry about getting voted in again
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on August 28, 2024, 06:49:08 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 27, 2024, 07:01:45 PMHe very much did the opposite of ditching or sidelining the evangelical shit when he was voted in last time, why would you imagine he would do differently if he got in this time?
Second term. Nobody gets a third go as American president. You can tell people to get to fuck in your last run and not worry about getting voted in again
If he gets in he'll keep the evangelical side all throughout his term as who's he gonna grift when finishes if they are alienated. Easy cash cow for life.
I think he'll keep them onside and I also wouldn't put it past him in his second term to try find a way to run for a third but I still don't see any policies he enacted to pander to the evangelists while accepting that he did pander to them for votes
Not an easy question to answer, and getting more complicated... and I'm not bothered enough to go through it all. But the most lasting change he effected in favour of hardline Christians during his mandate is his three Supreme Court appointments, lifetime appointments. He declared before appointing some of them, above all for the benefit of his Evangelical supporters, that they would overturn Roe-Wade (federal abortion rights). And they did, allowing him to brag afterward about being the person who got that done. But (this is where it's getting more complicated) that may already be backfiring, especially since he's now campaigning against a woman, and it seems he may be trying to distance himself from that greatest ever presidential champion of pro-life identity: turns out a slight majority of young (i.e. child-bearing age) Republican women are more into full bodily autonomy than MAGA had banked on.
There was also the whole religious liberty executive order thing which favoured practicing Christians, due to them being a majority among practicing religious folk, as compared to any of the minority religions and/or lifestyles (LGBTQ, etc.), but I'm not arsed getting into the nitty gritty of that. You can also see all across the so-called "alternative media" how moral views that are a very small step away from conservative christianity are being promoted to young men especially, which includes cocks like Tate (what is this "body count" bollocks if not moral puritanism?) and cocks like Musk who amplify cocks like Tate. They're all pro-Trump and Trump is only too happy to have Musk, who has recently discovered himself a "cultural christian", to endorse him. And so on and so on.
Evangelists are Christian Zionists.
Trump is a Zionist.
Harris is a Zionist.
Either way Zionism wins.
As with any organisation there is in-fighting and differing opinions within the Zionist movement.
Some believe the time is right to impose a total Marxist regime, see Harris.
Others think the Zionist controlled, fiat currency based, capitalist system has not yet run its course, see Trump.
Either way Zionism wins.
This notion that Harris is a Marxist or a Communist is genuinely absurd. Harris is a pure-blood neoliberal, not even socialist. Not even Bernie Sanders, a social democrat, is a Marxist. I'll pass on the details of Zionism, suffice to say that Gaza is a great money spinner for various US industries, minus the inconvenience of having to send in any troops of their own. Here's a run down of some of that profiteering from an actually Marxist-leaning source ;)
https://jacobin.com/2024/03/gaza-profits-bds-weapons-corporations
Lad, Harris is big on price control, which is about as non-neoliberal as one can get, neoliberalism being a hands off approach by government with regard to economic matters.
I fail to see how that article about Zionist owned (see State street, Vanguard, Blackrock) weapons corps. profiting from the current conflict reenforces your argument in any way, in fact it weakens it.
Good job on neatly side-stepping addressing the main point of my post, which is that both parties are Zionist.
You're confusing neoliberalism with classical laissez-faire liberalism, a genuinely easy mistake to make, but they're not the same: one is hands-off government and the free market will take care of everything itself. That didn't work out so well. The other, neoliberalism, is hands-on government but to the primary benefit of the markets.
Marxism, at an absolute minimum, would involve workers getting profit share from their employers, small business and corporate. And if you think that's on the cards for the DNC, I've plenty other tales I can sell you. Such as Jews controlling the world. Incidentally, none of those three corporations are mentioned in the article I shared, so it's no wonder you failed to see the point it was making.
You are confusing post neoliberalism with neoliberalism, an easy mistake to make.
Neoliberalism is very much in line with laissez-faireism, which of course resulted in the Irish genocide OF THE 1840s.
You are also confusing economic Marxism with Marxist idealism.
We can argue the definition of these isms all day and It'll get us nowhere.
Naturally none of the corporations I named are mentioned in the article, but given that it's a fact that they are major shareholders in the weapons manufacturing industry, what, in your view, is the point of the article?
Apart from all that red herringism :P , do you or do you not agree that both parties are Zionist?
The word neoliberalism was coined for the first time at the 1938 Walter Lippmann Colloquium in Paris, and the failure of laissez-faire capitalism the participants had in mind in discussing new economic models was the Great Depression, rather than anything that happened in Ireland a century earlier. It's that Lippmann sense that I use neoliberalism in because that's the one that is compatible with very contra-laissez-faire things such as bank bailouts. Hayek's "neoliberalism" (as experimented by such luminaries as Pinochet and Thatcher) is closer to what you described. The terms are confusing. I don't think that's an accident. What matters is that if economic policies are primarily aimed at benefiting the market, then they can never be Marxist.
You pointed to price control as evidence for Marxism. Price control is economics not idealism, right? So, actual Marxist economics is, at base, about workers getting a share in the profits their labour creates, rather than selling their labour at a loss (the existence of employer profit implies that workers sell their labour at less than its worth, with this rationale being the absolute foundation of Marxist economics). Harris' proposed economic policies have nothing to do with Marxism. That's why it's blatantly obvious that Trump and Musk, etc., talking about Harris being "literally communist" or a harbinger of "total Marxism" is such very obvious propaganda. You can lift yourself out of the target audience for that propaganda, and I recommend you do.
In the real world, you don't have to be a Zionist to be a profiteering opportunist. You almost seem to believe that all profiteering opportunism is evidence of Zionist control. That is simplistic propaganda as well, not useful for navigating the complexities of the real world. There are Zionists in both parties. I don't believe both parties are fundamentally Zionist in the sense you appear to mean it, since even MAGA is neck deep in Christian Zionism, which is a very different beast to Jewish Zionism. Notably, the former prophecies the ultimate defeat of the latter. Both parties are controlled by and riddled with profiteering opportunists. Some but not all, I would say not even a majority, of those are (Jewish) Zionists.
The point of the article was to show that profiteering opportunism/universally occurring selfish human greed, manifest in multiple ways, is more than sufficient to explain the DNC's continued support for the war on Palestine. But if it's easier for you to believe it's just the Jews behind it all, knock yourself out. Kev has some "history" videos you might be interested in.
Are the weapons manufacturers owned by Jews? That's an angle I haven't seen so probably not. I think of Jews as having like an old boys club a la Blackrock or Eton more than anything else and because of that, most world leaders are in thrall to those who run the banks which happen to be Jews mostly. Otherwise I just enjoy Curb Your Enthusiasm most of the time
Quote from: astfgyl on August 14, 2024, 09:24:54 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on August 14, 2024, 09:59:59 AMQuote from: astfgyl on August 14, 2024, 09:55:50 AMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 14, 2024, 07:24:55 AMAgain, I don't know where you get your news, but Trump, even by his own standards, has been projectile vomiting bullshit ever since Biden dropped out of the race. Side by side, Harris (who to my eyes is just a run-of-the-mill Democrat, no more no less, warts and all) very much looks like the more competent candidate. All the more so with Walz next to her compared to Vance next to Donald. And we can expect his puerile behavior to get worse if and when the polls start looking grim for him.
Ah no you're hopelessly biased
I'll bite. In what way is trump better than harris. Policy wise. Or maybe human wise, as in trumps a bit of a rapist or sexual abuser. What's the bar?
He's convicted of rape now is he?
Link https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/breaking-down-the-verdict-as-jury-finds-trump-liable-for-sexual-assault-and-defamation
So yeah do I believe he's raped women. His ex wife accused him of it to. In the very first pages of this thread I posted a case file where he raped a girl that epstien provided to him. He's a rapey piece of shit.
And the girl was underage too. As was epsteins way.
That doesn't say he's convicted of rape. Fact check it yourself it's easy to type in and read.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 29, 2024, 03:21:13 PMThe word neoliberalism was coined for the first time at the 1938 Walter Lippmann Colloquium in Paris, and the failure of laissez-faire capitalism the participants had in mind in discussing new economic models was the Great Depression, rather than anything that happened in Ireland a century earlier. It's that Lippmann sense that I use neoliberalism in because that's the one that is compatible with very contra-laissez-faire things such as bank bailouts. Hayek's "neoliberalism" (as experimented by such luminaries as Pinochet and Thatcher) is closer to what you described. The terms are confusing. I don't think that's an accident. What matters is that if economic policies are primarily aimed at benefiting the market, then they can never be Marxist.
You pointed to price control as evidence for Marxism. Price control is economics not idealism, right? So, actual Marxist economics is, at base, about workers getting a share in the profits their labour creates, rather than selling their labour at a loss (the existence of employer profit implies that workers sell their labour at less than its worth, with this rationale being the absolute foundation of Marxist economics). Harris' proposed economic policies have nothing to do with Marxism. That's why it's blatantly obvious that Trump and Musk, etc., talking about Harris being "literally communist" or a harbinger of "total Marxism" is such very obvious propaganda. You can lift yourself out of the target audience for that propaganda, and I recommend you do.
In the real world, you don't have to be a Zionist to be a profiteering opportunist. You almost seem to believe that all profiteering opportunism is evidence of Zionist control. That is simplistic propaganda as well, not useful for navigating the complexities of the real world. There are Zionists in both parties. I don't believe both parties are fundamentally Zionist in the sense you appear to mean it, since even MAGA is neck deep in Christian Zionism, which is a very different beast to Jewish Zionism. Notably, the former prophecies the ultimate defeat of the latter. Both parties are controlled by and riddled with profiteering opportunists. Some but not all, I would say not even a majority, of those are (Jewish) Zionists.
The point of the article was to show that profiteering opportunism/universally occurring selfish human greed, manifest in multiple ways, is more than sufficient to explain the DNC's continued support for the war on Palestine. But if it's easier for you to believe it's just the Jews behind it all, knock yourself out. Kev has some "history" videos you might be interested in.
Some food for thought there man, even if you are misrepresenting what I said.
I think you are massively underestimating the power of the Zionist lobby and the extent to which the Zionist donor class have infiltrated and bought the American political system.
Anyway, its good auld craic having an auld argument with ya every now and again.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 30, 2024, 08:16:39 PMThat doesn't say he's convicted of rape. Fact check it yourself it's easy to type in and read.
Never said it did. He was convicted of sexual assault. Is he a rapey piece of shit. I believe he is. Do you think he's a rapey piece of shit? Or an upstanding guy?
Quote from: Ollkiller on August 31, 2024, 09:48:13 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 30, 2024, 08:16:39 PMThat doesn't say he's convicted of rape. Fact check it yourself it's easy to type in and read.
Never said it did. He was convicted of sexual assault. Is he a rapey piece of shit. I believe he is. Do you think he's a rapey piece of shit? Or an upstanding guy?
You must be under the mistaken opinion that I actually like Donald trump or anything he represents but with his money I doubt he ever had to rape anyone. Read the judgement and see he wasn't convicted of sexual assault either. As much as many would like it to be true, it simply isn't
Quotewith his money I doubt he ever had to rape anyone
Because you believe all women are for sale..?
You don't think it's at least conceivable that an ugly, seedy and conceited leerer like Trump could make a pass at a woman he wanted to fuck but who genuinely wasn't interested? And in that kind of situation, of not getting what he wanted, you doubt the man-baby would be capable of
grabbing what he wanted anyway?
With how long it's been dragging on, I don't see any of the sexual assault avenues ever leading anywhere. Perhaps too many people who doubt rich men could ever find themselves in a situation where the urge to assault might arise. Even if they've admitted to non- or at the very least pre-consensual sexual activity.
The things you do come out with sometimes.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 31, 2024, 10:58:59 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on August 31, 2024, 09:48:13 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 30, 2024, 08:16:39 PMThat doesn't say he's convicted of rape. Fact check it yourself it's easy to type in and read.
Never said it did. He was convicted of sexual assault. Is he a rapey piece of shit. I believe he is. Do you think he's a rapey piece of shit? Or an upstanding guy?
You must be under the mistaken opinion that I actually like Donald trump or anything he represents but with his money I doubt he ever had to rape anyone. Read the judgement and see he wasn't convicted of sexual assault either. As much as many would like it to be true, it simply isn't
Buck his ex wife accused him of rape and shut up to get the divorce payment. I know you don't like trump. So why are you defending the rapey piece of shit. His view of women is abhorent to any right thinking fella.
I'm not defending him. I'm just stating it as it legally is. He hasn't been convicted of rape or sexual assault is all. It's like the fine people thing, or the cops that were killed on January 6th it just didn't happen
QuoteAn indictment filed Wednesday alleges a media company linked to six conservative influencers — including well-known personalities Tim Pool, Dave Rubin and Benny Johnson — was secretly funded by Russian state media employees to churn out English-language videos that were "often consistent" with the Kremlin's "interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions in order to weaken U.S. opposition" to Russian interests, like its war in Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential-election-influencers-trump-999435273dd39edf7468c6aa34fad5dd
They may not have known that Russia was financing this, but certainly some of the content Tim Pool, for one, was creating for money could only be perceived as benefiting Russia, stuff where he's quite literally screaming "UKRAINE IS OUR NUMBER ONE ENEMY!" I mean, Tim Pool is an actual moron, but still.
Edit: Bonus snapshot of a view perspectives on Irish issues from the same media company at the centre of the above story:
https://x.com/McNeillYeah/status/1831648084184445251
Putin says he supports Harris
He's saying that today alright. Was he saying it before today?
I dunno, I don't generally listen to him. Would you reckon it counts as election interference that he said that now?
Putin is just playing silly buggers. He knows whoever he says he supports will get votes for the other candidate (or that is my simplistic and uninformed take on it).
Quote from: astfgyl on September 05, 2024, 07:01:11 PMI dunno, I don't generally listen to him. Would you reckon it counts as election interference that he said that now?
As in, do I think him trying to cover his election interference arse is itself election interference but for Harris? Seems like a needless convolution.
Russian interference isn't so much the story for me here (presumed it was going on to some extent); the class of figures caught in it is more interesting, along with the parallel discourse the same source was pushing. Much of which you would no doubt recognize.
He's bad at the best of times, but it really does seem that as soon as he's asked a straight forward concrete question about policies that may directly benefit the average US citizen, he totally short-circuits:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1831748114367283575
Something which directly benefits someone other than himself does not compute.
Mental. I can't wrap my head around his popularity at all.
It's a word salad of epic proportions there. Not the first fucking clue what he's talking about. If that was Biden (when he was still running) he'd be lynched for being senile. But no one pulls Trump up on it.
He actually gets applauded for it. I don't know how he has duped so many people. Intelligent people at that. The fear mongering is working. America is fucked, the world is fucked, everything is fucked but I'll fix it for you, no bother. Leave it with me. Pure fucking shitehawkery.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 06, 2024, 12:13:15 PMIf that was Biden (when he was still running) he'd be lynched for being senile. But no one pulls Trump up on it.
A lot of examples going round today of the press doing what's being called "sane-washing" on speeches like this, reporting them in a way that makes it seem like he gave a somewhat cogent answer rather than commenting first and foremost that he was blathering like a madman.
State of that video. Blathering like an idiot, no concept of what the question was but sure, throw in the old 'let's make America great again' and get the audience back on side. I wouldn't be a fan of any our politicians but at least they can string together a reasonably coherent sentence or failing that, avoid a question with some degree of nuance.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 06, 2024, 12:13:15 PMIt's a word salad of epic proportions there. Not the first fucking clue what he's talking about. If that was Biden (when he was still running) he'd be lynched for being senile. But no one pulls Trump up on it.
Ah they do, just not conservatives. Same way you don't see democrats criticising Harris. Most people don't look at the claims of the side they don't like.
You've surely noticed the entire left leaning media call trump out for nearly the last decade since he said he was running for the Republicans. Same on the other side re Clinton, Biden and now Harris.
They're all so partisan and some of each sides claims are true and verifiably so, which only serves to further entrench the entrenched.
As for Putin, he'd be crazy not to support trump given the relations when trump was in office vs now and I'd be certain (without proof, even) that any Russian interference would be to the benefit of oul Donald.
Then again, Hunter Biden's laptop wasn't Russian disinformation, was it?
I'm fairly sure if I can be arsed I'll find some of the leftier lads here quoting the 51 intelligence agents at the time saying it was Russian interference even though it was actually interference on the part of those agents.
Putin wants Dopey Don back in like you would not believe so the efforts at destabilising the west and undermining NATO can resume without interference before he runs out of convicts.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on September 06, 2024, 05:51:13 PMPutin wants Dopey Don back in like you would not believe so the efforts at destabilising the west and undermining NATO can resume without interference before he runs out of convicts.
Yup. Defo wants Trump in. Remeber when Trump said he believed Putin over the
FBI. That shows that either Trump admires dictators as he wants to be one or Putin has something on him.
Also seen today he again said he would give Musk a job at streamlining government. That won't go down well with government employees.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on September 06, 2024, 05:51:13 PMPutin wants Dopey Don back in like you would not believe so the efforts at destabilising the west and undermining NATO can resume without interference before he runs out of convicts.
NATO absolutely should be undermined. They are not the good guys any more than putin is. They have a lot of blood on their hands and plenty more to come. Just look at the conditions for joining NATO and who benefits from those conditions in terms of profits. It's as corrupt as anything else really
We'll agree to disagree, there.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on September 06, 2024, 07:26:38 PMWe'll agree to disagree, there.
In my own head I could easily make the case for NATO and their point of existing but what it is at the minute just seems like consensus for yank advancement. The original case was likely not intended as that. Then the weapons have to be NATO standard within a certain length of time and lo and behold it's the raytheon and Lockheed Martin standard - private weapons companies making private profits. Why can't they do a socialist version of weapons making? Because of lobbying, lobbying for war, lobbying for the threat of war to perpetuate the arms race. Never a lobby for peace though. Now don't get me wrong this is not at all in support of whatever is the anti NATO either because I'm certain they are just as bad and lobbied equally hard for it.
It's all just rotten and I find myself perpetually disillusioned with everything both left and right because none of it is the resolution of conflict it's all just the product of lobbying for all outcomes. How depressing that we really haven't learned anything since the cold War or even long before that. Might is right and whoever wins gets to be the good guys.
Ah jaysus to everything really as I see it
I mean, what NATO did in Yugoslavia wasn't exactly a demonstration of above-board transparent purely humanitarian intervention. I might lean towards trusting NATO more than Putin, but certainly wouldn't trust them flat out at all.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 06, 2024, 11:05:55 PMI mean, what NATO did in Yugoslavia wasn't exactly a demonstration of above-board transparent purely humanitarian intervention. I might lean towards trusting NATO more than Putin, but certainly wouldn't trust them flat out at all.
I agree with you way more than is apparent but I'm not soft as to the fact that everything is very wrong no matter which side we take
Here for this..?
QuoteApple has lost its fight against the European Commission's ruling that it underpaid €13bn in tax due to Ireland.
The European Court of Justice has set aside the judgment of the lower General Court, which previously overturned the Commission's decision.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0910/1469236-europes-highest-court-to-rule-on-13bn-apple-tax-case/
It would be very difficult for the Gov the refuse that money with the state of everything however I don't think we get all that money, does it have to be split amongst other EU countries?
Quote from: The Heretic on September 10, 2024, 10:47:25 AMIt would be very difficult for the Gov the refuse that money with the state of everything however I don't think we get all that money, does it have to be split amongst other EU countries?
No it's our money
They don't want it though because it sets a precedent of some sort iirc.
Let's be fair, they'd only piss it up against a wall anyway.
Here come those identity cards you've been waiting for, but they'll be solid fucken gold!
Quote from: Bürggermeister on September 10, 2024, 06:08:58 PMHere come those identity cards you've been waiting for, but they'll be solid fucken gold!
:laugh: I can't think of any outcome that doesn't lead to digital ID in any circumstance
So, some Don highlights from the debate?
https://x.com/PopCrave/status/1833684388803997809
https://x.com/abughazalehkat/status/1833681099958174124
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 11, 2024, 12:59:29 PMSo, some Don highlights from the debate?
https://x.com/PopCrave/status/1833684388803997809
https://x.com/abughazalehkat/status/1833681099958174124
Even fox commentators are saying he lost the debate. All he had to do was stay on policy but the clem can't even do that.
Leave him at it. It's for the greater good.
Well if that debate doesn't lead straight to digital ID then I dunno what will...
Anyway, I never watch these debate but I read Harris did well and the lad less so. I've predicted for ages that he'd lose and I see nothing to change that since I've said it. It should have been a dead cert for him but he just couldn't capitalise on the fact that the Democrats were on their knees a couple of months ago. He can have no complaints because he has shat the togs big time at the smell of blood. He couldn't even gain any momentum by getting his ear pierced, such was his impotence. His vp pick was silly and the Kennedy boost too little too late as well.
Here's another thought...
So: Trump is so reviled that the US voters would actually vote in Joe Biden and now about to do the same with Harris to keep him out.
How absolutely fucking hated must Hilary Clinton have been to lose out to trump in 2016??
Fair fuckin hated, obviously
You read Harris did well and Trump "less so"? He claimed immigrants are eating people's pets. He claimed they're giving transgender operations to prisoners. And he claimed abortions are being carried out after birth. That's not "less so," that's pitching your campaign at the readership of the Weekly World News, which is what MAGA has become and why MAGA appears to be losing support.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 11, 2024, 09:54:04 PMWell if that debate doesn't lead straight to digital ID then I dunno what will...
Anyway, I never watch these debate but I read Harris did well and the lad less so. I've predicted for ages that he'd lose and I see nothing to change that since I've said it. It should have been a dead cert for him but he just couldn't capitalise on the fact that the Democrats were on their knees a couple of months ago. He can have no complaints because he has shat the togs big time at the smell of blood. He couldn't even gain any momentum by getting his ear pierced, such was his impotence. His vp pick was silly and the Kennedy boost too little too late as well.
Here's another thought...
So: Trump is so reviled that the US voters would actually vote in Joe Biden and now about to do the same with Harris to keep him out.
How absolutely fucking hated must Hilary Clinton have been to lose out to trump in 2016??
Fair fuckin hated, obviously
Clinton got a few more million votes than Trump but your ould electoral college system got him in. She wasn't liked though. Her big vote was she's not as bad as that guy vote. Don't get me started on the electoral college system. Bonkers.
Quote from: Thorn on August 24, 2024, 03:39:21 AMQuote from: astfgyl on August 21, 2024, 07:51:21 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on August 21, 2024, 07:32:04 PMThey've still got "Creepy fucker" up their sleeve too. Game on.
Ah please god they'll draw that out as well. I'm actually going to put a few bob on Harris winning because I just don't think the republicans will be able to counter it with anything meaningful for the middle ground. I think either candidate winning would be a fairly fatal blow to common sense BTW, but still as a casual observer it's a fun watch
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I have a score on with the missus that she beats him mainly because I think his shoot from the hip style will catch him out yet and he'll be drawn into saying something REALLY suicidal to his cause, maybe even in the live debate where she has a clear advantage over him. It could be a race thing or a gender remark but somewhere along the line he's gonna put his big foot in it.
Well,.that was easy
Immigrants eating people's pets was actually a brilliant line . It has swayed me back towards him. If they are doing that fucked up shit then America needs a strong leader who takes no shit.
Quote from: Ollkiller on September 12, 2024, 12:15:15 AMQuote from: astfgyl on September 11, 2024, 09:54:04 PMWell if that debate doesn't lead straight to digital ID then I dunno what will...
Anyway, I never watch these debate but I read Harris did well and the lad less so. I've predicted for ages that he'd lose and I see nothing to change that since I've said it. It should have been a dead cert for him but he just couldn't capitalise on the fact that the Democrats were on their knees a couple of months ago. He can have no complaints because he has shat the togs big time at the smell of blood. He couldn't even gain any momentum by getting his ear pierced, such was his impotence. His vp pick was silly and the Kennedy boost too little too late as well.
Here's another thought...
So: Trump is so reviled that the US voters would actually vote in Joe Biden and now about to do the same with Harris to keep him out.
How absolutely fucking hated must Hilary Clinton have been to lose out to trump in 2016??
Fair fuckin hated, obviously
Clinton got a few more million votes than Trump but your ould electoral college system got him in. She wasn't liked though. Her big vote was she's not as bad as that guy vote. Don't get me started on the electoral college system. Bonkers.
Also not forgetting the fact that Trump wasn't half as hated then when he was still somewhat of an unknown quantity as he is now. He had the benefit of not being a politician at the time so that enough people who were sick of politicians were willing to give him a go despite him appearing somewhat of a clown, before he spent the next load of years removing all doubt.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 12, 2024, 12:36:17 AMImmigrants eating people's pets was actually a brilliant line . It has swayed me back towards him. If they are doing that fucked up shit then America needs a strong leader who takes no shit.
The funny part is that he's not lying about that. There's a police report video. As to the extent of the problem he might have exaggerated but the video exists all the same.
RTE went straight into fact checking it as not true all the same, in their usual unbiased way.
I wonder just how much did that subliminally etch itself into the brains of your average American though?
"You hear that pops, get the guns - them Democrats is bringing in Haitian zombies to eat all our cats"
NSFW
https://x.com/Eire1984/status/1833830277610627298?t=WJP9QxntPadGinxACv1nTQ&s=09
There's a video of a lad with a cat that may or may not have anything to do with it but it's a video of a lad and a cat at least
QuoteSome social media posts present bodycam footage of a woman's arrest in Canton, Ohio, for killing and eating a cat to support the online narratives but Canton police spokesperson Dennis Garren said in an email: "The suspect in this case is not a Haitian immigrant," "She is a life long Canton resident."
The graphic video, viewable on YouTube, shows the Aug. 16 arrest of Allexis Telia Ferrell, who allegedly killed and ate a cat in Canton. Stark County Commons Pleas Court records for Ferrell show she was charged with cruelty to companion animals.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-haitian-immigrants-stealing-eating-pets-ohio-2024-09-10/
So, yeah, it's a lie: it's a lie it's happening in Springfield. It's a lie it's immigrants. It's a lie it's any kind of phenomenon that impacts US citizens and merits mentioning in a presidential debate. It's tabloid fodder. Freddie Starr ate Trump's hamster.
The mayor or the governor of Springfield said it was bullshit. And if there was 1 case Trump has taken 1 isolated case and done his normal race baiting bullshit.
Also u should put a NSFW tag before that video.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 12, 2024, 10:02:34 AMQuoteSome social media posts present bodycam footage of a woman's arrest in Canton, Ohio, for killing and eating a cat to support the online narratives but Canton police spokesperson Dennis Garren said in an email: "The suspect in this case is not a Haitian immigrant," "She is a life long Canton resident."
The graphic video, viewable on YouTube, shows the Aug. 16 arrest of Allexis Telia Ferrell, who allegedly killed and ate a cat in Canton. Stark County Commons Pleas Court records for Ferrell show she was charged with cruelty to companion animals.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-haitian-immigrants-stealing-eating-pets-ohio-2024-09-10/
So, yeah, it's a lie: it's a lie it's happening in Springfield. It's a lie it's immigrants. It's a lie it's any kind of phenomenon that impacts US citizens and merits mentioning in a presidential debate. It's tabloid fodder. Freddie Starr ate Trump's hamster.
Is there a video of cops in Springfield ohio arresting a Haitian immigrant for eating the neighbours cat or isn't there? No. Fair enough it's Canton, ohio and not an immigrant so that's rather inconvenient and should leave trump rather orange faced at catching himself out like that
Anyway here's something funny and related. Exactly the type of mind I was trying to tap into, thinking it would play out well in the sticks:
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1833865787385225318?t=CB9gtBDoHdhxgbWDrYr53w&s=09
Same all over: right wing politicians who couldn't give a flying fuck about, notably, the kind of dire social conditions the people seen in that video are living in playing up tabloid shite rather than actually addressing any of the underlying issues that have those people living in those conditions. I only watched two minutes, but every resident I saw in that time looked like they could surely do with medicaid. For starters.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 12, 2024, 12:36:17 AMImmigrants eating people's pets was actually a brilliant line . It has swayed me back towards him. If they are doing that fucked up shit then America needs a strong leader who takes no shit.
Was thinking the same myself. And even if there isn't any strong evidence to support the claim, conversely there's no evidence being offered that immigrants AREN'T eating pets, and in that case I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Donald believes its ok to grab pussy but not eat it....or something...
:laugh:
Speaking as an immigrant myself I can confirm that we all do eat pets, and on a regular basis. My favorite is gerbil roasted over a dumpster fire and swathed in lashings and lashings of whitey blood, but I'll settle for a labradoodle sandwich if needs be.
A kebabradoodle, if you will?
Read that as Abrakebabradoodle at a glance there :laugh:
Couldn't sound more immigrant if it tried. I'm sure many could be convinced it was a country with a few youtube videos. It was the old name for Tartaria etc
Bomb threat at Springfield city hall:
https://www.wdtn.com/top-stories/springfield-city-hall-evacuated-after-threat/
That'll learn them not to contradict the Don: they should have twisted reality to his words and paid some Haitians to eat pets!
Wow whatever next?? Before we know it, the other side will have whipped up such rhetoric that we'll have attempts on candidates lives! Someone needs to put a stop to all this hate :laugh: :laugh: :'(
The main story there is still how quickly and suspiciously silent MAGA went about the shooter...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 12, 2024, 05:47:13 PMThe main story there is still how quickly and suspiciously silent MAGA went about the shooter...
I would say it's how quietly
everyone let that die away. Very very odd
What would it have benefited the DNC to keep that story alive no matter who the shooter was?? Nothing. So, the suspiciousness is only in one place.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 12, 2024, 07:19:50 PMWhat would it have benefited the DNC to keep that story alive no matter who the shooter was?? Nothing. So, the suspiciousness is only in one place.
Wrong entirely and wilfully as well, which makes it worse tbh.
Given that the DNC are accused of drumming up opposition to the extent that someone would try to kill the opposition candidate, I would think it's better for them if nobody thinks about it ever again. Obviously.
Sometimes I wonder if you are actually being as wilfully stupid and obstinate as it looks like you're being by making out that the god of your beloved ideology and their emissaries on earth are somehow different to their arch nemeses.
The shooter had nothing to do with DNC, which is why those accusations disappeared as quickly as further mention of the shooter did. Otherwise MAGA would have continued to play up those accusations to their advantage. They couldn't do that because it became so quickly clear that the shooter was closer to their own ranks than to the DNC's. That's the way I see it anyway. I literally have no idea what your last sentence refers to in concrete terms, since the DNC are certainly not emissaries of my "ideology." You relentlessly confuse me for the alt media stereotype of the anti-MAGA figure, which is about as close to my reality as Harris is in reality close to being a Marxist. I.e. not at all close.
Was Harris not a paid up member of some Marxist thing back in the day?
Are you asking whether Harris is now or has ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States? :laugh:
Yeah I'm pretty sure she was, or something like that. It's been a couple of months since I saw it. Anyway I don't believe any of them are communists
That was Senator McCarthy's question during the witch-hunt red-scare hearings of the 50s. I'm indicating, again, that the whole thing is pure propaganda from MAGA and the likes of Musk. Her father was an academic economist who wrote about Marxism, but even he never seems to have advocated any Marxist policies when, for example, he was advising Jamaica on their economy. That's the closest thing I know of that links Harris to Marxism. I wonder how many steps away from Kevin Bacon she is :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 13, 2024, 10:38:51 AMThat was Senator McCarthy's question during the witch-hunt red-scare hearings of the 50s. I'm indicating, again, that the whole thing is pure propaganda from MAGA and the likes of Musk. Her father was an academic economist who wrote about Marxism, but even he never seems to have advocated any Marxist policies when, for example, he was advising Jamaica on their economy. That's the closest thing I know of that links Harris to Marxism. I wonder how many steps away from Kevin Bacon she is :laugh:
I feel like the overwhelming majority of people getting their knickers in a twist about communism have little to no idea what it is in the first place, rendering the whole thing moot really...
Quote from: Mooncat on September 13, 2024, 05:24:36 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 13, 2024, 10:38:51 AMThat was Senator McCarthy's question during the witch-hunt red-scare hearings of the 50s. I'm indicating, again, that the whole thing is pure propaganda from MAGA and the likes of Musk. Her father was an academic economist who wrote about Marxism, but even he never seems to have advocated any Marxist policies when, for example, he was advising Jamaica on their economy. That's the closest thing I know of that links Harris to Marxism. I wonder how many steps away from Kevin Bacon she is :laugh:
I feel like the overwhelming majority of people getting their knickers in a twist about communism have little to no idea what it is in the first place, rendering the whole thing moot really...
I know what the ideals of it are but it always turns out Animal Farm
While we're on Animal Farm, just imagine a world where someone like Trump or Musk would call someone like Harris specifically a Leninist, as opposed to a Marxist or a Communist, and both they and their target audience actually grasped the difference. Now that really is utopian talk!
[Not to say Harris is a Leninist either, though she's certainly significantly closer to that than to a Marxist.]
Quote from: The Heretic on September 12, 2024, 11:01:37 AMDonald believes its ok to grab pussy but not eat it....or something...
How did I miss that lol :laugh: :laugh: well played!!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 13, 2024, 07:38:26 PMWhile we're on Animal Farm, just imagine a world where someone like Trump or Musk would call someone like Harris specifically a Leninist, as opposed to a Marxist or a Communist, and both they and their target audience actually grasped the difference. Now that really is utopian talk!
[Not to say Harris is a Leninist either, though she's certainly significantly closer to that than to a Marxist.]
But surely Lenin was a Marxist, he just wanted to bring about a Marxist society by different means to Marx.
He was a Marxist revolutionary like.
Not looking for an argument here now, just interested in your viewpoint.
There's nothing wrong with Richard Marx's timeless brand of smooth pop, you fucking philestines.
I lost faith in Harris after Seventh Son to be honest.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 13, 2024, 07:05:21 PMQuote from: Mooncat on September 13, 2024, 05:24:36 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 13, 2024, 10:38:51 AMThat was Senator McCarthy's question during the witch-hunt red-scare hearings of the 50s. I'm indicating, again, that the whole thing is pure propaganda from MAGA and the likes of Musk. Her father was an academic economist who wrote about Marxism, but even he never seems to have advocated any Marxist policies when, for example, he was advising Jamaica on their economy. That's the closest thing I know of that links Harris to Marxism. I wonder how many steps away from Kevin Bacon she is :laugh:
I feel like the overwhelming majority of people getting their knickers in a twist about communism have little to no idea what it is in the first place, rendering the whole thing moot really...
I know what the ideals of it are but it always turns out Animal Farm
Same for any social theory really. They're good on paper, then corrupted by people who have the means to.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on September 13, 2024, 10:06:06 PMBut surely Lenin was a Marxist, he just wanted to bring about a Marxist society by different means to Marx.
He was a Marxist revolutionary like.
Not looking for an argument here now, just interested in your viewpoint.
It comes down to the same kind of question as whether you believe someone who forces others to be Christians on pain of death or persecution can still be truly considered a follower of the Christ of the gospels. Lenin's authoritarian vanguard concept was so thoroughly contrary to Marxism that it could (in my opinion and that of many of his contemporary critics) no more have brought about a Marxist society than the Spanish Inquisition could have installed the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Ironically, in the same work where Lenin first conceptualized the imo anti-Marxist vanguard concept, he also disparagingly called people like Eduard Bernstein "revisionists" of Marxism, presumably because the latter wanted to move socialism in an even more democratic and reformist direction which would make it more difficult to weaponize, i.e. away from the Marxist fixation on revolutionary class struggle.
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 14, 2024, 01:38:30 AMQuote from: son of the Morrigan on September 13, 2024, 10:06:06 PMBut surely Lenin was a Marxist, he just wanted to bring about a Marxist society by different means to Marx.
He was a Marxist revolutionary like.
Not looking for an argument here now, just interested in your viewpoint.
It comes down to the same kind of question as whether you believe someone who forces others to be Christians on pain of death or persecution can still be truly considered a follower of the Christ of the gospels. Lenin's authoritarian vanguard concept was so thoroughly contrary to Marxism that it could (in my opinion and that of many of his contemporary critics) no more have brought about a Marxist society than the Spanish Inquisition could have installed the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Ironically, in the same work where Lenin first conceptualized the imo anti-Marxist vanguard concept, he also disparagingly called people like Eduard Bernstein "revisionists" of Marxism, presumably because the latter wanted to move socialism in an even more democratic and reformist direction which would make it more difficult to weaponize, i.e. away from the Marxist fixation on revolutionary class struggle.
Ah I can see your point there man and it seems reasonable.
Its a bit like (but not really) Capitalists demanding equality, Or a ruling party removing an opposition party from the ballot to "save democracy". Contradictions in terms.
Uncle Don must be feeling desperate after that last debate getting someone else to take a pop at him!
Came across this beaut on twitter. Anyone remember the "Up The Arse Corner" from Viz? 20240927_200441.jpg
No low too low:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1840118070037361072
Hilarious bastard.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 30, 2024, 09:52:24 AMNo low too low:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1840118070037361072
I'd expect nothing less from him tbh. I still don't think he's going to win though, even though he seems to have talked Zelensky into going down the negotiation road if he does, which would be a good thing. It's an awful pity he couldn't have simply appealed to the centrist a bit more on the campaign trail and maybe brought some moderation back to proceedings but then again it's Trump we're talking about here and he just doesn't have it in him.
Anyway, I laughed
Why do people think Harris is any better though? just asking. How many more years of retro cold war rhetoric that could get the world into serious trouble eventually? and where has Harris been for the last four years? media is now giving her free publicity and she doesn't have to lift a finger.
Quote from: leatherface on September 30, 2024, 09:06:56 PMWhy do people think Harris is any better though? just asking. How many more years of retro cold war rhetoric that could get the world into serious trouble eventually? and where has Harris been for the last four years? media is now giving her free publicity and she doesn't have to lift a finger.
I can't think of a worse candidate than Harris and I can't believe she is being taken any way seriously at all. She is beyond bad and 50 times worse than anything trump is being accused of. 3/4 of the shit said about trump is provably false and he seems way less like he'll start a war than the current crowd. With Biden finally being accepted as being senile, the question must be asked who is actually running the place in his absence? Mad stuff but I think Trump is so divisive that she will actually get in which would be hilarious in one way but still no less ridiculous. Both candidates give me that
is this the bestyou could come up with vibes
3/4 of the shit said about Trump is literally Trump quotes. Here's how I see it in a nutshell: While it requires very little intelligence to see through the DNC's dishonesty, MAGA lies demand full-on stupidity of its followers.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 30, 2024, 11:01:24 PM3/4 of the shit said about Trump is literally Trump quotes. Here's how I see it in a nutshell: While it requires very little intelligence to see through the DNC's dishonesty, MAGA lies demand full-on stupidity of its followers.
Ah yeah they're often as thick as shit, and that's even without the Q stuff which I found so hilarious that it destroyed my twitter feed in the first place. Like I'd prefer to see trump beat Harris but only because of my own bias, not because trump would be a good thing for the world although (not forgetting the bias) I feel like he'll do less for the war machine. He might not, but he's making noises like he will, while the other side seems to be well up for continuing the forever wars. I dunno either, I really don't like either of them but I find him funnier.
We have the same sort of hobson's choice here really where the alternative is as bad as the status quo and I'm really annoyed with the shinners for not taking up the mantle of being an actual alternative to the same oul shit with some good old fashioned common sense.
We are lucky in a sense that the right in Ireland can't get their shit together but also unlucky that they can't get their shit together
https://www.newsweek.com/conservative-hot-girls-republicans-election-haliey-welch-sydney-sweeney-snl-1958629
I can't tell if this is meant to be an endorsement or a criticism. Which way do Newsweek normally lean?
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1840550305085141221?t=uApcc6oUWgSbDQO5MfxshA&s=19
This just made me think of the Shepherd for some reason.
Two of your absolute favourites right there lad :laugh:
480k likes from people who think mythology is real. And expanding war in the Middle East. State of the gaff.
It goes wonderfully with that "up the arse corner" pic I posted above it.
World is fucked
JD really hasn't at all learnt Donnie's knack of simply lying through your hole and not giving a flying fuck if you're fact checked, or else just ramping up in reply with some other bigger or unrelated lie. Amateur.
https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1841291195919606165
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 02, 2024, 08:15:55 AMJD really hasn't at all learnt Donnie's knack of simply lying through your hole and not giving a flying fuck if you're fact checked, or else just ramping up in reply with some other bigger or unrelated lie. Amateur.
https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1841291195919606165
Not quite, seemingly. https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1841317661830938768?t=HU40ln7H7q0me155rmlEVg&s=19
They're not illegal migrants. If Vance and Trump want to contest why they're not illegal, that's a different matter. But, factually speaking, they're not illegal.
And that Cuomo clip is edited in a way that's actually more misleading, because, uncut, Vance actually does lay out very clearly the legal path by which many (but not all) of the migrants were "granted legal status". A status which they therefore legally have: agree or not, legally means legally.
https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1841290326268420300
In case the right-wingness of the thing isn't clear enough here: by describing them as "illegal migrants" MAGA aim to make the Haitians appear guilty of something even if they've committed no other crime. But if they followed an existing legal path, even if MAGA don't like that path, then the Haitians are guilty of nothing unless they commit some other crime. But criticizing the nitty gritty of a policy they don't like... BOOOORING (certainly to the demographic they aim their rhetoric at). ILLEGAL MIGRANTS is a much simpler and stronger message, turning them all into criminals before the fact, by essence. Basic, ubiquitous far right playbook stuff.
He was cut off while explaining how they all got there and under what rules and who brought them in. That's not quite the "you said you weren't going to fact check" that the left leaning poster had in their clip. One side is as bad as the other for that shit. I know nothing of Vance or Walz other than that they are guaranteed to be bullshitters before I even go about confirming it. Did the other fuckin eejit get caught saying he was in tianamen Square or something equally handicapped as well? None of them stand up to any actual scrutiny any more than our own shower of cunts if anyone would actually put them on the rack with a few real questions
He said they're illegal migrants. They're not. Look through the history of smearing foreigners/outsiders as criminals when they're not. It's not "equally handicapped" as someone saying they were in Tianamen Square (I have no idea what that's about or even if it was said).
I'll find the clip, it's actually ridiculous. Also the "illegal" thing is much like what is done here in terms of numbers of lads that are here to contribute nothing at all. It's just a matter of semantics but the reality is still what it is. And trust me, I see some ridiculous shit in my work about how we are having our shit pushed in by chancers as much as I see the doctors and engineers everyone thinks we're getting. Lads coming at me with fake documents and all - the very definition of illegal and yet the stats would say that's not even a thing. I'm sure it's similar in the US
Again: the human beings he's calling illegal migrants (i.e. criminals) are not illegal migrants (i.e. not criminals). This is intentional rabble rousing and it never ends up in a good place, not in the US, not in Ireland, not anywhere. Excusing it because you're obsessed with both-siding everything is "handicapped"
No, taking the far left position on absolutely everything no matter how inexcusable is handicapped. Both siding instead of being drawn into the American style identity politics and suffering from an utter failure to call a spade a spade is definitely not handicapped. If you don't think both sides are handicapped in their own way then I have to question your level of handicap
I am calling a spade a spade: a legal migrant is a legal migrant. Ergo, a legal migrant is not an illegal migrant. Calling an entire group of legal migrants criminals (by saying they are "illegal") just because you don't think they should have been given legal status is rabble-rousing and dangerous scapegoating (migrants have very, very little to do with the housing problems, cost of living problems, lack of healthcare problems, etc., of the average US citizen), inviting pogrom-style actions which we know certain US citizens (and Irish citizens and British subjects, etc.) are demonstrably capable of.
DNC does exactly the same when it comes to foreign policy ("human shields" etc.), so they're certainly not "better" in any absolute moral sense, but that doesn't make the very, very, very old game MAGA are playing any less obvious.
Honestly, it seems to me that the MAGA crowd are making more sense than the other side, which should be very worrying to people leaning towards socialism such as I do. It's pretend to care about people stuff, pretending by increasing social welfare instead of making work worth going to, pretend to be inclusive about shit like trans and all that but still someone gets paid to transition the poor cunts rather than it being free, it's pretend to save the world from carbon while greenwashing massive profits into the coffers of multinationals, it's pretend to teach kids about inclusive shit while excluding them from ever buying a house in the future. It's pretend leftist shit in the guise of actually caring when it's the most disgraceful type of capitalism imaginable, pretending to care about Ukrainians when the only real care is towards those in the weapons industry and the money they'll make, it's expanding the definition of legal immigrant beyond all common sense.
It's just ridiculous from any angle one wants to look at it from. And here's me, an actual Liberal thinking left leaning regular person looking at how stupid it all is and in disbelief about the wealth transfer and digital prison that has been built and wondering what the fuck is wrong with everyone to take any side of any of it and yet the response is done both sides shit as if one of them is actually good or less murderous or less thieving than the other because of some long lived partisan shite.
I fucking despair
You mention that you think transitioning should be free as a point against the DNC when Trump, who you say makes "more sense", said that under Harris everyone would get free healthcare...except that he also meant that as a point against the DNC.
Where is the sense there?
You think under Harris that they'll all get free health care? Why don't they already have it then? That's only one facet of the absolute diamond of bullshit we all get served up thinking that any government anywhere will do anything for anyone that isn't actually better for themselves than the public.
Take our own shower, raising the dole over and over. The likely reason for that is because it's only the lads on it that have the time to turn up to midweek protests during working hours so if they get the bread and the rest of us get the fuckin circus well we'll be too busy trying to earn the bread to protest about the circus so another few hundred fuel allowance will sort that, whether they use it for hair extensions or not
Do you think Trump thinks they'll all get free health care under Harris?
No I think Trump doesn't give a fuck about anything or anyone as long as he is the winner, much like Harris or Biden or god forbid Hillary Clinton.
None of them are good people
But he says it like it would be a bad thing, you say it like it would be a good thing. He definitely wants to limit it, whereas the DNC want to expand it (certainly not enough, etc.). Either way, hard to see how his position here, on a genuinely vital issue, makes "more sense" to you if you lean towards universal healthcare being good.
Not a single one of those people actually care about any of the things they have the rest of the world arguing about. They are far too busy making money and power for trivial things like an odd lad turning himself into a caricature of a woman or vice versa.
Yeah grand, they're both awful, political class masqueraders, yadda yadda, with you on that. But you keep insisting Trump makes "more sense" to you than the DNC. I'm trying to get at how exactly that is. What I see is a man who very blatantly states that he's against things that would undoubtedly help the average US citizen (such as expanding free healthcare, just as one example) while just as blatantly trying to convince the same average US citizen that in reality it's immigrants, not billionaire tax evaders like him and Musk, etc., who are the actual source of their day-to-day material woes... such as not being able to afford healthcare. In a nutshell, I do struggle to see to who, among average US citizens, it makes "more sense" to vote for MAGA in these kind of concrete vital terms (e.g. health, food, housing...).
There is actually no core difference in the outcome no matter which one of them is right or wrong or telling the truth or not on any given subject. The world is fucked because we can all see that it's fucked and we all just let it happen because we don't know what else to do other than pretend it isn't happening a
To the people right down the bottom, it actually does make a difference who is in power or not, even if the rich get richer in both scenarios. As a caricature, there is a difference for workers whether their workplace is Dickensian or Fordist.
Contender for the most idiotic tweet of the year. She must have been on the nippy sweeties, or maybe she is that thick.
Funding the destruction and relief of Lebanon, and not a mention of the poor bastards in Carolina, who are getting 750 quid after seeing the whole lot evaporate in front of them. Maybe she doesn't want the gig after all.
https://x.com/vp/status/1842710797241434259?s=46
Cynically speaking, I'm guessing Carolina and Florida are strategically considered red states whereas there are strong Arab votes in swing states they may think will react positively to throwing a bandaid at an axe-wound inflicted by the psycho they gave the axe to. Also, unlike social media addict Trump, it's unlikely Harris composed this tweet herself.
Whether she composed it or not, her name is on it, she'll have to eat the repercussions. Absolute foolishness.
Neither she nor Trump will desist with the current, repulsive genocide enabling. But to rub suffering Americans faces in it with faux concern over Lebanese people whose suffering that US policy is directly responsible for is astonishing at this stage of the day.
Visit her profile and you'll see she posted about Carolina many times before and after the Lebanon tweet and about Florida several times since. Surely it's the MAGA who are taking that one Lebanon tweet and rubbing suffering Americans faces in it for equally cynical reasons as the DNC trying to placate Arab swing state voters. No?
I'm not getting into which side is worse, it's cuntology and I honestly couldn't care less anymore who wins.
On its own merits, it's a cretinous thing to tweet for a person in her position.
But it's one tweet on one "offending" subject in the midst of literally a host of tweets about the subjects MAGA are using that one tweet to pretend the DNC don't care about. Concretely speaking, behind the optics MAGA are creating out of it, concretely, empirically, that's what's happening. It's a cretinous thing to post because they're arming Israel, not because it's rubbing the faces of victims of climate change (!) in something. That's political manipulation. Of the kind DNC and MAGA are capable.
If anything, election campaign-wise, It can be taken as a well-played by MAGA. Though to see it that way you have to accept that it is quite literally them doing the face rubbing with it, albeit strategically.
I agree about the Israeli aspect of it entirely, I'd just finished reading about the latest outrageous IDF behaviour and I was sent thon.
Sickening.
"Ex-Trump administration advisor said Israel should 'drop napalm' over Irish peacekeepers in Lebanon"
https://www.thejournal.ie/republican-adviser-says-israel-should-drop-napalm-over-irish-peacekeepers-in-lebanon-6509640-Oct2024/
Good to see someone so cool-headed in an advisory role.
A lot of folks are very disappointed to see that the hurricane in florida turned out to be a damp squib because it would have proved that climate change is a killer in the extreme.
State of that
Is anyone of any consequence "very disappointed" or are you talking about randomers? Thankfully it did weaken before landfall and led (due also to both the prior evacuation of thousands and ongoing rescue operations) to "only" 10 deaths so far, as opposed to the more than two hundred from Helene less than two weeks ago.
My favourite is how it was definitely caused by humans and definitely not caused by humans at the same time for both extremes. No, it was weather
So no one of any consequence then.
Early onset/advancing dementia?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1844444488187478017
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 11, 2024, 05:44:34 PMEarly onset/advancing dementia?
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1844444488187478017
Do slackjaws look at that and say, this guy is so smart I don't even understand him. :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 11, 2024, 08:22:47 AMSo no one of any consequence then.
So you think it was people of consequence that were crying terror from the skies, all thinking it was some kind of Don't Look Up scenario? Like the lads with your narrative are important? Seriously
Quote from: astfgyl on October 10, 2024, 10:56:06 PMA lot of folks are very disappointed to see that the hurricane in florida turned out to be a damp squib
I was just asking who you were talking about here, randomers or people of consequence, i.e. people who should know better than to be "very disappointed" at less actual death and destruction than the scenario they warned Florida to prepare against (warnings which, since they were heeded, undoubtedly saved dozens of lives, regardless of the weakening of the hurricane before it hit land).
Okay so just pick someone who stakes their reputation on the climate being both terrorising and man made. All of those are disappointed. Chicken Licken never died
The only person I recently saw suggesting that "the climate" is both terrorising and man made was Marjorie Taylor-Greene :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 11, 2024, 06:38:31 PMThe only person I recently saw suggesting that "the climate" is both terrorising and man made was Marjorie Taylor-Greene :)
Sure the Democrats make the weather. Fuck me the state of her.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 11, 2024, 06:42:49 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 11, 2024, 06:38:31 PMThe only person I recently saw suggesting that "the climate" is both terrorising and man made was Marjorie Taylor-Greene :)
Sure the Democrats make the weather. Fuck me the state of her.
Both sides are saying it's man made
Not quite. One side is saying it is an inadvertent consquence of our fossil-fuel burning lifestyle, the other is saying the hurricance is created by design, possibly by Musk's 12" moon robots. There is quite a substanatial difference.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on October 11, 2024, 07:06:51 PMNot quite. One side is saying it is an inadvertent consquence of our fossil-fuel burning lifestyle, the other is saying the hurricance is created by design, possibly by Musk's 12" moon robots. There is quite a substanatial difference.
That's it in a nutshell.
It's gas, watching the to and fro on this thread. I don't participate in social media, nor do I live in Russia, so a lot of the shit which some of ye post on here is completely out of the blue to me. What I'll say is this, the disenfranchisement of "mainstream media" is the first thing despots attack. Take from that what you will, but every fucking cunt in history tries to discredit media which has to fact source, regardless of how they colour things. Some of the shit posted on here is so fucking blatantly stupid it fucking boggles the mind.
Continue as ye wish, you crazy bastards :laugh:
I have no idea what way to take this, but it's hilarious, whether parody or real :laugh:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1844796082796232824
Just for the record - weather modification is a very real thing, its being going on since the 1950's and was heavily used by the yanks in Vietnam (operation Popeye), there are international treaties with regard to weather warfare, most notable the 1977 UN weather modification treaty.
I'm not saying the Florida hurricane was modified, but if I did say it was, it wouldn't be as outlandish as some would have you believe.
Weather modification is proven fact, whereas there isn't a shred of proof for human cause climate change.
Is the climate changing? naturally it is, climate is always changing, has always changed and will always change.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 12, 2024, 01:18:44 AMI have no idea what way to take this, but it's hilarious, whether parody or real :laugh:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1844796082796232824
Would you not pull up some of the bullshit coming from the other crowd for a change, just for a touch a balance?
Most lads wouldn't bother opening that link because it's surely either Musk or Trump posting something dumb or crass. I doubt anyone here is voting next month so the reeducation crusade you're on ist ein bisschen sinnlos.
Don is starting to show his age a bit recently, his pisstake or Harris floundering about without the Teleprompter reminded me of my Grandad waking up disorientated from a nap.
If you do click on the link you'll understand why it's a particularly funny one to ask for balance under :laugh:
Seems like it's either a Waterford Whispers type yoke or it's apocryphal for the way the arse has fallen clean out of the gaff over there.
Saw a Mattie McGrath diatribe in that indefatigable South Tipp accent, cúpla focal thrown in, cursing and damning the government for their bullshit, they're calling him a far right ideologue and 'Trumpian' now, you couldn't make it up. Mattie McGrath. 'Dog whistling'. Ah stop 😂
Quote from: Bürggermeister on October 11, 2024, 07:06:51 PMNot quite. One side is saying it is an inadvertent consquence of our fossil-fuel burning lifestyle, the other is saying the hurricance is created by design, possibly by Musk's 12" moon robots. There is quite a substanatial difference.
The same lads who are saying it's inadvertent think that it can be manipulated back the other direction on purpose. No there really isn't the difference there that you're saying.
QuoteDonald Trump's presidential campaign worked with X to prevent information about his running mate JD Vance from being posted on the social media platform, a move that resulted in the journalist who revealed the information being kicked off the site, according to reports.
The former president's team contacted X, owned by the billionaire Trump backer Elon Musk, about a 271-page document compiled by his campaign to vet Vance that was linked to by Ken Klippenstein, an independent journalist, the New York Times has reported.
X responded by blocking links to the material, claiming that it contained sensitive personal information such as the Ohio US senator's social security number, and banned Klippenstein from the platform.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/12/x-twitter-jd-vance-leaked-file
Napolelon has declared himself Emperor.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 12, 2024, 11:53:43 AMQuote from: Bürggermeister on October 11, 2024, 07:06:51 PMNot quite. One side is saying it is an inadvertent consquence of our fossil-fuel burning lifestyle, the other is saying the hurricance is created by design, possibly by Musk's 12" moon robots. There is quite a substanatial difference.
The same lads who are saying it's inadvertent think that it can be manipulated back the other direction on purpose. No there really isn't the difference there that you're saying.
They're actually not the same thing at all and you know it too. It's really very, very different.
So the maga boys think there's some sort of energy weapon to manipulate the weather and the soy crowd think that by making everyone poorer that the weather can be manipulated. Different ideas, same level of bullshit. So thinking we can't make a hurricane in one area but we can change the whole temperature of the earth is just as retarded as anything else, including hurricane machines
So basically you're labeling distinct things that you don't fully understand "retarded bullshit" and then claiming that all the things you've slapped that label on are in fact the same, cos look: they've all got the same label on them!
I am saying that humans thinking they can control the weather either locally or globally is retarded, yeah. I absolutely think that humans would control the weather if they could, but beyond seeing clouds to encourage rain there really is fuck all doing. A hurricane machine to me doesn't seem any less stupid than thinking giving up my car will get the whole earth to some sort of optimum temperature by 2050. People can't even predict the weather in many cases, showing that the mechanisms behind global temperatures, climate and extreme weather events are not fully understood at all and yet here we have two extremes of the Chicken Licken variety both thinking that humans have the wherewithal to be going around controlling the weather. And don't pretend to be naive enough to think people don't want to be proved right. Just imagine if tomorrow it turned out that it was actually undersea volcanic emissions that was the real driver of global temperature and not me and my western opulence... How many reputations are staked on that not being the case? What if it turned out that oil and natural gas were fully renewable sources.... How many reputations in the renewable energy industry are staked on that not being the case?
Yeah, right. Pure shite. Hubris.
Edit: You can replace the word "reputations" with "profits" and it makes another bit of the point
Edit 2: A serious question:
Can anyone tell me what the optimum global average temperature actually is? Just one figure as an average for the whole earth. I'll bet nobody can, even if they go looking it up, but many will think being told that global average temperature is going up is a bad thing without any foundation whatsoever. Fuckin madness
Climatologists aren't trying to "control the weather." They also understand much better than you seem to realize why individual, local weather events are hard to predict. Climatologists say that there is a load of crap (so to speak) in the environment which is having, in the perspective of life as we know it on earth, a negative impact on the climate in terms of overall temperature, related shifts in atmospheric pressure, etc., and certain extreme weather events that these make more likely. They hypothesize that by reducing that crap to a minimum, these negative impacts may also be reduced to a minimum along with the likelihood of those extreme weather events. On the face of it, this part so far is at the very least plausible rather than "retarded bullshit."
What anyone else, politicians, CEOs, etc., do with that analysis and hypothesis is another matter. For example, for decades, the heads of fossil fuel companies actively covered up the results of investigations they'd launched themselves, and then later sowed doubt about the meaning of independently conducted ones which, nevertheless, largely confirmed their own. Cos if you're going to go on about elites who want to use climate science to "make you poorer" or whatever, it seems odd to at the same time give a free pass to the elites who were in fact the first ones to know all this stuff and decided that the public didn't need to know about it. Isn't that precisely the kind of elite behaviour you claim to hate?
Quote from: astfgyl on October 13, 2024, 12:05:02 PMSo the maga boys think there's some sort of energy weapon to manipulate the weather and the soy crowd think that by making everyone poorer that the weather can be manipulated. Different ideas, same level of bullshit. So thinking we can't make a hurricane in one area but we can change the whole temperature of the earth is just as retarded as anything else, including hurricane machines
If you're dumping million of tonnes of Co2 into the atmosphere every year, then yes is does change the temperature of the earth.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 14, 2024, 11:53:18 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 13, 2024, 12:05:02 PMSo the maga boys think there's some sort of energy weapon to manipulate the weather and the soy crowd think that by making everyone poorer that the weather can be manipulated. Different ideas, same level of bullshit. So thinking we can't make a hurricane in one area but we can change the whole temperature of the earth is just as retarded as anything else, including hurricane machines
If you're dumping million of tonnes of Co2 into the atmosphere every year, then yes is does change the temperature of the earth.
Like a volcano? Lots of those going off all the time.
Can you tell me what the optimum global temperature is, seeing as you're saying a rise in it is bad anyway? I'll bet you can't because nobody can.
The temperature where the icecaps don't melt? Or the Gulf Stream doesn't face disruption and plunge the average temperature in Europe by 15 degrees Celsius? Or where wildfires aren't common? Where parts of the planet become literal scorched earth? Where crop failures across the globe don't become more frequent due to drought or flooding?
I can't give you an ideal temperature, but things were a lot more tickety-boo pre-Industral Revolution, so how about where the temperature was then? It shouldn't take a genius to work out that's when we started pumping CO2 into the atmosphere on a large scale.
Optimum global temperature to sustain life as we know it has been discussed pretty frequently actually, especially comparing earth to other planets
Volcanoes and CO2:
Quotefive recent studies suggest that volcanoes worldwide (such as Alaska's Shishaldin, shown) emit, on average, between 130 million and 440 million metric tons of CO2 each year. But in 2010, anthropogenic emissions of the planet-warming gas were estimated to be a whopping 35 billion metric tons
https://www.science.org/content/article/scienceshot-volcano-co2-emissions-no-match-human-activity
The notion of us not knowing what an "ideal global temperature" is was popularized in 2018 by Trump's choice for head of the Environmental Protection Agency, Scott Pruitt (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-epa-pruitt-exclusive/exclusive-trumps-epa-aims-to-replace-obama-era-climate-water-regulations-in-2018-idUSKBN1EZ079/).
Let's have a closer look at him:
QuoteAs a candidate for Oklahoma AG, as well as the head of RAGA and its Rule of Law Defense Fund, Pruitt was bankrolled by the fossil fuel and power sectors, and by the Koch family of energy billionaires. When The New York Times won the Pulitzer Prize in 2015 for a series showing state AGs to be the puppets of lobbyists, Pruitt was Exhibit A. In one notorious instance, Pruitt let Devon Energy, an Oklahoma-based fracking giant, ghostwrite a letter in his name to the EPA, resisting a rule that would limit methane leakage from natural gas wells. The coal miner Murray Energy sent a cheque to RAGA shortly after Pruitt intervened in support of Murray's suit against the EPA over-regulating carbon emissions.
https://www.ibanet.org/article/41b50bfa-f214-453a-8a7b-30883352a8c1
And a deep dive expert critique of the claim itself for good measure:
https://science.feedback.org/review/epas-scott-pruitt-incorrectly-suggests-climate-change-might-not-bad-thing/
Here's the tldr take home:
QuoteUnsupported: There is no basis to Pruitt's claim that humans have flourished during past periods of similarly rapid warming. The last 10,000 years, during which human civilization has developed, have seen stable climate conditions.
Misleading: Research unambiguously shows that the net effect of continued climate change this century—factoring in both positives and negatives—is significant harm to humans and the rest of Earth's ecosystems.
Misrepresents the scientific process: Scientists do not simply assume that warming has dangerous consequences. This is a careful conclusion derived from extensive research.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 14, 2024, 12:32:15 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on October 14, 2024, 11:53:18 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 13, 2024, 12:05:02 PMSo the maga boys think there's some sort of energy weapon to manipulate the weather and the soy crowd think that by making everyone poorer that the weather can be manipulated. Different ideas, same level of bullshit. So thinking we can't make a hurricane in one area but we can change the whole temperature of the earth is just as retarded as anything else, including hurricane machines
If you're dumping million of tonnes of Co2 into the atmosphere every year, then yes is does change the temperature of the earth.
Like a volcano? Lots of those going off all the time.
Can you tell me what the optimum global temperature is, seeing as you're saying a rise in it is bad anyway? I'll bet you can't because nobody can.
Average global temperature is 15 Celsius. About 1 to 2 degrees high than it was pre industrial age. By 2050 could rise another 1.5 to 3 degrees. And yes it'd us causing that rise through Co2 emissions.
Average over how long?
Have the measuring methods changed at all since the pre industrial age?
Could it be the case that the change in method has simply given a more accurate reading?
Can the global average be stable and yet some places have extra drought and others extra rain?
Is climate localised at all?
Is there evidence of previous global temperature changes?
Do I care if death Valley is record hot when it's freezing in Ireland?
No I'm afraid I have to conclude that a global measure of temperature is useless but it makes for great terror headlines.
Cut it any way you want:
Quote2023 was 0.60°C warmer than the 1991-2020 average and 1.48°C warmer than the 1850-1900 pre-industrial level
https://climate.copernicus.eu/copernicus-2023-hottest-year-record
QuoteHighest global average temperatures
The ten highest annual maximum global-average daily temperatures of the last 50 years have all occurred since 2015
https://climate.copernicus.eu/new-record-daily-global-average-temperature-reached-july-2024
QuoteLast 22 July 2024 was the hottest day since at least 1940 with an average global temperature of 17.16ºC, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S), and 23 July was a virtual tie at 17.15ºC.
https://climate.copernicus.eu/what-degree-uncertainty-c3s-daily-global-temperature-data
Quote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 08:10:18 AMI'm afraid I have to conclude that a global measure of temperature is useless
The fucking bad faith: you're the one who raised it!! You've done here exactly what Scott Pruitt did in 2018. At least he was getting handsomely paid to be disingenuous: you're just vomiting it back up for free!
It is useful as a measure of overall trends. It is useless in the sense that if the temperature at every location on the globe was 15° then the average would still be 15°, but that would mean that all the ice caps would be melted while in other places the ecosystems would have completely collapsed from the relative cold. The climate scientists, the people who know what they're talking about, have obviously accounted for all your armchair-climatology counterpoints.
No they haven't though. They speak about this shit as if it's gospel and can't be challenged. There are thousands of variables and temperature is only one of them. This notion that it can all be fixed by trying to maintain some optimal global average temperature simply by reducing carbon emissions for the losers at the bottom is just fucking ridiculous, as is the scientism that follows it. So back to the original point, a lot of people won't be too happy if the weather doesn't fuck us all up as predicted, certainly.
That's how science works - it's discussed and acted on to the best of our (well, climate scientists) understanding. It's not gospel, it's open to revisions. Heck, it's open to be blown wide open. But until such time that the climate-change deniers can back their shite-talk conspiracy theories up, I think going with the people who have M.Sc. and Ph.Ds in the topic is the safer bet.
Genuine question - would you question the validity of the claims of say an aeronautical engineer when they say "this is how planes stay in the sky"? Or when say a construction engineer or architect says "this is why that 100 storey building doesn't collapse under its own weight"?
Quote from: Ducky on October 15, 2024, 03:35:02 PMGenuine question - would you question the validity of the claims of say an aeronautical engineer when they say "this is how planes stay in the sky"?
Time for my favourite piece of trivia (https://www.scientificamerican.com/video/no-one-can-explain-why-planes-stay-in-the-air/)
Climate change is real yes and also there are people making money off us from it, both stances are real and not actually independent of each other. Post-industrial human existence has completely changed the face of the planet. There are many causes of climate change but it is very heavily consumer driven, on levels beyond what we can see immediately around us. But to think we can't irrevocably alter the earth around us and it not have an impact on the balance of the planet itself is the absurd stance.
There is money to be made in convincing everyone it isn't happening too. Lots of it, as it happens.
Quote from: Ducky on October 15, 2024, 03:35:02 PMThat's how science works - it's discussed and acted on to the best of our (well, climate scientists) understanding. It's not gospel, it's open to revisions. Heck, it's open to be blown wide open. But until such time that the climate-change deniers can back their shite-talk conspiracy theories up, I think going with the people who have M.Sc. and Ph.Ds in the topic is the safer bet.
Genuine question - would you question the validity of the claims of say an aeronautical engineer when they say "this is how planes stay in the sky"? Or when say a construction engineer or architect says "this is why that 100 storey building doesn't collapse under its own weight"?
Those are actual concrete examples that can be proven by experiment whereas the climate change science is the experiment right now because nobody knows how it will turn out. It's theoretical stuff. Those examples are something different
Quote from: ochoill on October 15, 2024, 03:52:16 PMClimate change is real yes and also there are people making money off us from it, both stances are real and not actually independent of each other. Post-industrial human existence has completely changed the face of the planet. There are many causes of climate change but it is very heavily consumer driven, on levels beyond what we can see immediately around us. But to think we can't irrevocably alter the earth around us and it not have an impact on the balance of the planet itself is the absurd stance.
There is money to be made in convincing everyone it isn't happening too. Lots of it, as it happens.
Nobody said we couldn't inadvertently fuck it up. It's the idea of being able to fix it on purpose by using the consumer as the guinea pig that I think is ridiculous.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 01:10:39 PMThey speak about this shit as if it's gospel and can't be challenged. There are thousands of variables and temperature is only one of them. This notion that it can all be fixed by trying to maintain some optimal global average temperature simply by reducing carbon emissions for the losers at the bottom is just fucking ridiculous, as is the scientism that follows it.
I don't know who this "they" is in your mind, but I can tell you it's not the serious climate scientists, none of whom believe "reducing carbon emissions for the losers at the bottom" is anywhere near sufficient or even priority action to take.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 08:10:18 AManswers below
Average over how long?
Well we have weather station since approx 1880. We now use thousands of satellites. Before that there's ways to see what temperature the earth is.
Have the measuring methods changed at all since the pre industrial age?
Yes. Weather stations years ago, now satellites. They used to put a bucket into the ocean and measure the temperature hundreds of years ago. Pre industrial you're going into studying the levels of oxygen 16 in fossils.
Could it be the case that the change in method has simply given a more accurate reading?
Yes
Can the global average be stable and yet some places have extra drought and others extra rain?
Of course it can. You have been to other places.
Is climate localised at all?
For the most part yes, but not always.
Is there evidence of previous global temperature changes?
Back to fossils.
Do I care if death Valley is record hot when it's freezing in Ireland?
I highly doubt it, and neither do i.
No I'm afraid I have to conclude that a global measure of temperature is useless but it makes for great terror headlines.
Its not useless. Why wouldn't you use a global temperature. If you want an average isn't that what you use. For all your conspiracies about it you're not showing anything that says climate change is not happening. Once again, carbon released makes the world hotter. That is a fact. We dump around 30 billion tons of Co2 each year, roughly 60 times what volcanos do. So us, humans are making the world hotter. I know two people who work in the ERI (Environmental Research Institute) in UCC on climate change modelling. One of them advises government committees on climate change. They are very intelligent people who are rightly scared about what the world will be like in 50 years for their children. They would love nothing better for climate change to be a hoax. It isn't.
Back on topic there were 2 cardiac arrests at trump's latest rally in pennslyvania. After the 2nd one instead of taking questions he played tunes for 40 mins and waddled round like a pleb. Hes losing it. Still tight in the polls though.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 15, 2024, 05:17:13 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 08:10:18 AManswers below
Average over how long?
Well we have weather station since approx 1880. We now use thousands of satellites. Before that there's ways to see what temperature the earth is.
Have the measuring methods changed at all since the pre industrial age?
Yes. Weather stations years ago, now satellites. They used to put a bucket into the ocean and measure the temperature hundreds of years ago. Pre industrial you're going into studying the levels of oxygen 16 in fossils.
Could it be the case that the change in method has simply given a more accurate reading?
Yes
Can the global average be stable and yet some places have extra drought and others extra rain?
Of course it can. You have been to other places.
Is climate localised at all?
For the most part yes, but not always.
Is there evidence of previous global temperature changes?
Back to fossils.
Do I care if death Valley is record hot when it's freezing in Ireland?
I highly doubt it, and neither do i.
No I'm afraid I have to conclude that a global measure of temperature is useless but it makes for great terror headlines.
Its not useless. Why wouldn't you use a global temperature. If you want an average isn't that what you use. For all your conspiracies about it you're not showing anything that says climate change is not happening. Once again, carbon released makes the world hotter. That is a fact. We dump around 30 billion tons of Co2 each year, roughly 60 times what volcanos do. So us, humans are making the world hotter. I know two people who work in the ERI (Environmental Research Institute) in UCC on climate change modelling. One of them advises government committees on climate change. They are very intelligent people who are rightly scared about what the world will be like in 50 years for their children. They would love nothing better for climate change to be a hoax. It isn't.
Where's the conspiracy in anything I said about global average temperature being a load of shit to measure anything and also pointing out that because the method has changed, the difference must be taken into account and the margin of error could be the same amount that it's supposed to have risen by worldwide. It's not a tough concept. Here's an example of things not going as planned:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-low-sulphur-shipping-rules-are-affecting-global-warming/
Bringing in the rules didn't consider that. The rest of it, lowering human carbon emissions to see if it will bring down the average temperature of the earth is an absolute experiment no matter how much one likes the idea or not
I see Walz is in a bit of hot water in time for the election. I wonder will the media treat it like hunter's laptop until the results are in?
Quote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 06:34:10 PMIt's not a tough concept. Here's an example of things not going as planned:
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-low-sulphur-shipping-rules-are-affecting-global-warming/
Bringing in the rules didn't consider that.
That very article includes a link to an explainer of why that claim is erroneous (in fact, we even discussed it on here a couple years back already, though I'm not arsed searching for it):
QuoteA number of folks have argued that warming will happen faster than we expect because scientists are not accounting for falling emissions of planet-cooling aerosols as we reduce fossil fuel use. This is not the case – all our future scenarios account for rapid aerosol declines
https://x.com/hausfath/status/1444679408573419520
QuoteHuman Influence on the Atmosphere and Surface
The likely range of human-induced warming in global-mean
surface air temperature (GSAT) in 2010–2019 relative to
1850–1900 is 0.8°C–1.3°C, encompassing the observed warming
of 0.9°C–1.2°C, while the change attributable to natural forcings
is only −0.1°C to +0.1°C. The best estimate of human-induced
warming is 1.07°C. Warming can now be attributed since 1850–1900,
instead of since 1951 as done in AR5, thanks to a better understanding
of uncertainties and because observed warming is larger. The likely
ranges for human-induced GSAT and global mean surface temperature
(GMST) warming are equal (medium confidence). Attributing
observed warming to specific anthropogenic forcings remains more
uncertain. Over the same period, forcing from greenhouse gases1
likely increased GSAT by 1.0°C–2.0°C, while other anthropogenic
forcings including aerosols likely decreased GSAT by 0.0°C–0.8°C. It is
very likely that human-induced greenhouse gas increases were the
main driver2
of tropospheric warming since comprehensive satellite
observations started in 1979, and extremely likely that human-induced
stratospheric ozone depletion was the main driver of cooling in the
lower stratosphere between 1979 and the mid-1990s. {3.3.1}
Here's the source: https://t.co/s53LheLNvW
QuoteTable 3.1 | Estimates of warming in GSAT attributable to human influence for different periods in °C, all relative to the 1850–1900 base period.
Uncertainty ranges are 5–95% ranges for individual studies and likely ranges for the assessment. The results shown in the table use the methods described in the three studies
indicated, but applied to additional periods and the warming trend. Ribes et al. (2021) results were updated using a corrected natural forcing time series, and Haustein et al.
(2017) results were updated to use HadCRUT5.
1986–2005
There's another bit worth reading.
Have a read of the whole thing and then tell me that trying to reduce global temperature by reducing human carbon emissions is not a giant experiment. I've actually read all that but I couldn't take the time to examine each source to see what the foundations of the whole thing are but if I get bored enough one day I might go picking holes in the sources there and add further uncertainty to the mix. Not that it'll make a blind bit of difference to any of the disciples of Scientism who just like to follow the (theoretical. Yes!) science.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 13, 2024, 02:52:01 PMClimatologists say that there is a load of crap (so to speak) in the environment which is having, in the perspective of life as we know it on earth, a negative impact on the climate in terms of overall temperature, related shifts in atmospheric pressure, etc., and certain extreme weather events that these make more likely. They hypothesize that by reducing that crap to a minimum, these negative impacts may also be reduced to a minimum along with the likelihood of those extreme weather events.
I said pages back that it is a hypothesis. As a hypothesis, yes, it needs testing. And there is only one way to test it: by doing it. What you seem to be in denial of is the risk level of
not testing that hypothesis. Like I said, you deny that risk for free, whereas pricks like Scott Pruitt (Trump's pick for head of the EPA but who even Trump had to eventually fire because of his levels of corruption) deny it for millions paid directly to them by some of the wealthiest and most powerful corporations on the planet: fossil fuel-based energy companies. Yet that doesn't seem to give you pause for thought.
And you think the climate doom crowd are doing it out of some sense of justice for all humanity? You think they're not being paid? You know they are
No, that's how very rich corporations and power hungry governments manufacture the consent required to use people's good nature against them.
Tell me, from your own experience: What thing is it that you see that indicates to you that you're living through some sort of climate crisis? Honestly, say what you see and how does your carbon emissions factor into that?
Be honest now in describing your own personal experience of the climate crisis
Edit: if you can while you're at it, can you show me one thing I've said in favour of fossil fuel companies and their obviously rotten business practices? I'll bet you can't
There are two main problems I see with placing any trust in data that points to a rise in global temperature over the last century.
Firstly all the historical data was decided a number of years ago to be regarded as "raw" data and was "adjusted", In fact in many regions the raw data pointed to a cooling over the last century, others recorded no change. following the "adjustments" general warming emerged.
The "science" behind these adjustments is laughable.
Secondly there are three differing methods of calculating current average global temp., "climate anomaly method", "reference station method", and "first difference method" carried out by the three major climate centres, all producing differing results.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on October 15, 2024, 10:51:16 PMThere are two main problems I see with placing any trust in data that points to a rise in global temperature over the last century.
Firstly all the historical data was decided a number of years ago to be regarded as "raw" data and was "adjusted", In fact in many regions the raw data pointed to a cooling over the last century, others recorded no change. following the "adjustments" general warming emerged.
The "science" behind these adjustments is laughable.
Secondly there are three differing methods of calculating current average global temp., "climate anomaly method", "reference station method", and "first difference method" carried out by the three major climate centres, all producing differing results.
You might have an interest in that study I posted above it shows a lot of this. It's fairly long but it shows why nobody should be taking this stuff like a religion or expecting everyone else to convert to it so that they can attempt to prove their
theory.
Imagine if I tried converting the same lads to religion and yet this is treated as the same truth as that is. The obvious answer to me is that people can believe what they want to believe as long as they don't try force it on me at the same time.
Like those old theocratic societies that the Shepherd is so fond of and yet here am I playing the part of his Heretic. Unreal. Then again, I used to be an altar boy myself so I should be more understanding of people's beliefs I suppose
Quote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 10:48:06 PMAnd you think the climate doom crowd are doing it out of some sense of justice for all humanity? You think they're not being paid? You know they are
The only "they" I'm referring to are "doing it" out of a sense of scientific discovery and prediction (a practice which is not wholly immune to human foibles, of course) and they get paid about as much as my own bosses in research do. Which is to say, not very much. That's also why I, unlike you, don't put that much weight on my own direct observations of change, much less what I personally might conjecture them to result from. I know my father-in-law, who's been a farmer in northern Spain for 60 years, has observed plenty of climate change in recent years which has been detrimental to his harvest yields. Doubt doesn't even come into it for him or his farmer amigos. But they wouldn't be able to empirically judge for themselves any better than I could as to what the cause of those changes may be.
I really don't know why you refuse tooth and nail to make a distinction between the science and what is done with the science.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 11:03:45 PMQuote from: son of the Morrigan on October 15, 2024, 10:51:16 PMThere are two main problems I see with placing any trust in data that points to a rise in global temperature over the last century.
Firstly all the historical data was decided a number of years ago to be regarded as "raw" data and was "adjusted", In fact in many regions the raw data pointed to a cooling over the last century, others recorded no change. following the "adjustments" general warming emerged.
The "science" behind these adjustments is laughable.
Secondly there are three differing methods of calculating current average global temp., "climate anomaly method", "reference station method", and "first difference method" carried out by the three major climate centres, all producing differing results.
You might have an interest in that study I posted above it shows a lot of this. It's fairly long but it shows why nobody should be taking this stuff like a religion or expecting everyone else to convert to it so that they can attempt to prove their theory.
Imagine if I tried converting the same lads to religion and yet this is treated as the same truth as that is. The obvious answer to me is that people can believe what they want to believe as long as they don't try force it on me at the same time.
Like those old theocratic societies that the Shepherd is so fond of and yet here am I playing the part of his Heretic. Unreal. Then again, I used to be an altar boy myself so I should be more understanding of people's beliefs I suppose
Sound man, I'll have a gander.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 15, 2024, 11:53:32 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 10:48:06 PMAnd you think the climate doom crowd are doing it out of some sense of justice for all humanity? You think they're not being paid? You know they are
The only "they" I'm referring to are "doing it" out of a sense of scientific discovery and prediction (a practice which is not wholly immune to human foibles, of course) and they get paid about as much as my own bosses in research do. Which is to say, not very much. That's also why I, unlike you, don't put that much weight on my own direct observations of change, much less what I personally might conjecture them to result from. I know my father-in-law, who's been a farmer in northern Spain for 60 years, has observed plenty of climate change in recent years which has been detrimental to his harvest yields. Doubt doesn't even come into it for him or his farmer amigos. But they wouldn't be able to empirically judge for themselves any better than I could as to what the cause of those changes may be.
I really don't know why you refuse tooth and nail to make a distinction between the science and what is done with the science.
Yes I meet a lot of farmers and some years are worse than others like last year was shit for spuds for example. Sometimes that happens for more than a year too like the climate changes to varying degrees over time and nobody disputes that. If science is the pleasure of finding things out that's great but the proof would have to be a lot more definitive before I go buying into impoverishment for the cause. I don't think anyone disputes climate change but the root cause is not set in stone so I remain skeptical.
And like the long paper I quoted, the headlines don't always match up with the data contained therein but somehow that makes me a crank or something. I just don't get it, this fervent belief that the science is correct when the theory hasn't been proved by experiment.
Like I turn on the telly and there's stuff on it, yeah that's good proven science in action right there and there's loads of stuff like that but this climate thing is not it, bar an observation that the climate does indeed change but correlation does not always equal causation. If the fire is lighting whenever I turn on the telly does that have any bearing on what is on the screen?
Quote from: astfgyl on October 16, 2024, 08:16:35 AMIf the fire is lighting whenever I turn on the telly does that have any bearing on what is on the screen?
Unrelated and I know it is absolutely not what you meant at all but I have this image of you turning on the telly and the fire lighting up into a full flame in the same motion, but you just going "that's grand" watching it happen
I still don't know what this "impoverishment" thing you keep going on about even is, but that seems to be a real stumbling block for you. To the point where it's made you think that every climate scientist on the planet is lying for riches, whereas in fact the vast majority of them are regular joes at a similar level of doing science for standard civil servant wages as I am. Guess what? We all know the difference between correlation and causation. It's pretty much a day 1 of science thing.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 16, 2024, 09:03:53 AMGuess what? We all know the difference between correlation and causation. It's pretty much a day 1 of science thing.
Actually, I do sometimes wonder about that. I once saw a diabetes charity cite a paper that concluded there was a link to the number of shits you had per day and whether you had diabetes or not. Not shit sherlock (pun intended) people who eat more, shit more and are more likely to be obese. (In fairness I never read the paper to see if they actually controlled for weight and or calorie intake but it is pretty much on par with people who think they should ban ice cream because of the positive correlation between its sale and the number of people who drown).
But sure you've just explained yourself why the obvious natural correlation between the phenomena of obesity and more frequent shitting is nothing at all like the artifact correlation between the abstracted statistical trends of ice cream sales and numbers of people who drown ;) Correlations are studied in science all the time. The point isn't that correlations are or should be banished from science but that scientists know the difference between correlation and causation. When climate scientists hypothesize a causal link between increased atmospheric CO2 and temperature increase plus other related phenomena, it's because they have evidence that points beyond mere correlation, not because they're confusing the two.
It's just that they haven't put that evidence that points towards more than a correlation to an actual repeatable experiment that proves it. Otherwise the religion is sound enough, right
As I explained above, for some experiments the only suitable test tube is a planet and its atmosphere. I'm not even being facetious.
There is some experimental evidence though, but there's no way of knowing for 100% certain whether it will translate to planet size without testing it... on a planet:
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.192075
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 16, 2024, 05:26:26 PMAs I explained above, for some experiments the only suitable test tube is a planet and its atmosphere. I'm not even being facetious.
Yeah but what if I opt out of the experiment due to my own personal beliefs? Should I have that choice or not?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 16, 2024, 05:34:47 PMThere is some experimental evidence though, but there's no way of knowing for 100% certain whether it will translate to planet size without testing it... on a planet:
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.192075
Not trying to be smart but could it not be shown on any sort of a smaller scale before going all in, and without consent? There must be a way
Without consent? LOL! The "without consent" you should really be making noise about is the decades during which the fucking fossil fuel companies covered up this knowledge without consent!
QuoteIn 2015, investigative journalists discovered internal company memos indicating that Exxon oil company has known since the late 1970s that its fossil fuel products could lead to global warming with "dramatic environmental effects before the year 2050." Additional documents then emerged showing that the US oil and gas industry's largest trade association had likewise known since at least the 1950s, as had the coal industry since at least the 1960s, and electric utilities, Total oil company, and GM and Ford motor companies since at least the 1970s. Scholars and journalists have analyzed the texts contained in these documents, providing qualitative accounts of fossil fuel interests' knowledge of climate science and its implications.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063
And still in 2018, as I showed you above, those companies were giving millions to pricks like Pruitt, hired by Trump to head the EPA, to lie out of their holes about this shit. And every single talking point you come out with here to "doubt" the science is
their confusionism, word for fucking word.
Yeah but I didn't know about that. Does their being wrong make it right for me to be forced to accept the new religion and the grand experiment? I don't see that it does
You didn't know about what, precisely?
Harris is making a fair auld tit of herself on an almost daily basis now. What was that attempt to drink a scoop with yer man Colbert about 😂
I've been stopped by traffic guards with more charisma.
Maybe the other lad isn't out of the running after all.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 16, 2024, 11:45:43 PMYou didn't know about what, precisely?
The fossil fuel industry and their shenanigans. They had well been at it for a long time before I heard about it. This one, however I can see while it's happening. And the fossil fuel crowd being terrible doesn't make the renewable crowd good by default
And what is "this one" that you can see while it's happening? I'd already mentioned the fossil fuel companies' decades long cover up of the results of the studies they commissioned themselves. And I'm not discussing "the renewable crowd" with you: I'm discussing the science. It would be helpful if one of these days you made the effort to distinguish between them.
The unproven science, you mean. Don't skirt around the fact it's all not even proved by experiment yet no matter how much you believe in it.
There is more experimental proof for it than against it, the example I showed you was only one among many. And what you're skirting around once again is that the fossil fuel companies believe it too, which is precisely why they selfishly, and ultimately foolishly, cover it up and sow doubt about it. Because they know they don't have a genuine scientific leg to stand on to affirm the contrary. And have known this for decades. But keep convincing yourself that you're being smart by echoing their exact confusionist talking points.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 17, 2024, 03:09:20 PMThere is more experimental proof for it than against it, the example I showed you was only one among many. And what you're skirting around once again is that the fossil fuel companies believe it too, which is precisely why they selfishly, and ultimately foolishly, cover it up and sow doubt about it. Because they know they don't have a genuine scientific leg to stand on to affirm the contrary. And have known this for decades. But keep convincing yourself that you're being smart by echoing their exact confusionist talking points.
Spoken like a true lad who thinks he is so smart because of the science. You've admitted it's experimental, haven't you?
Right, so should I have an opt out of the experiment or not?
Are you saying that the fossil fuel companies actually have the good science now?
Better science than the youtubing covid experts, I'll wager 😉
If CO2 goes below 150 ppm then plants begin to starve, then stop growing then die. Plants struggle even at 180. Ideally higher co2 levels to me are akin to a safe buffer to prevent say a snowball Earth type scenario (ice ages/ prolonged cold periods) colder water can absorb more co2 so oceans could dramatically reduce co2 levels. Seems to me that reforestation efforts are very worthwhile and should be prioritised over say, taxing the hilt out of fuels that will only prove to kill the elderly and the poor during winter periods. It's the priorities that piss me off the most.
We must also remember that higher co2 levels results in higher crop yields. Increasing crop yields is crucial to improve food security and the knock on effect (living standards for poorer countries etc). It would also contribute to the greening of the Sahara which I think everyone can agree is a good thing. This fixation on co2 levels EVIL coupled with messed up priorities of the Greens + corrupt companies taking advantage is wearing quite thin on me.
Current levels are ~420 ppm and it's estimated that pre-industrial levels were ~280 ppm. Is talking about what happens at 150 ppm not a bit like one frog in slowly boiling water pointing out to another that if the water was at 0° they'd both be dead..?
My point about 150 ppm wasn't about impending doom of an ice age (nice to highlight for dramatic effect :laugh: ) but to illustrate that CO2 is essential for plant life/food security and that lower levels of CO2 would be catastrophic for crop yields/ecosystems and agriculture. The hysteria around CO2 sometimes ignores the benefits, crop yields/potentially mitigating desertification (like in the Sahara).
I think the priority should be a balanced approach and other environmental concerns that people would actually get on board with (microplastics, pollution etc) I think people are fine with promoting sustainability, reforestation, and energy policies that don't disproportionately harm the vulnerable, like taxing fuel to the extent that it worsens poverty or leaves people unable to heat their homes in winter. That was my point, if that's the first thing you took from my post then....
It's just the same thing of making an effort to strike a sensible balance between the science and what's being done with the science: climate scientists, along with anyone with the equivalent of junior cert biology, know that plants require a certain level of CO2 (cliff notes: CO2 + H2O + light = photosynthesis => plant food [glucose] + O2). All of these basics are accounted for. Just like the counter-intuitive effect of concomitant aerosol reduction is accounted for also. One prong of the confusionism approach is precisely to keep the science and the policies mixed up as much as possible so that folk end up denying the science on the basis of BS like taxing fuel in a way that impacts the vulnerable more than anyone else. Given what the fossil fuel and motor industry companies, etc., have kept covered up for so long, it's really them who should have every last red cent stripped away from them to finance transition.
Everything The Butcher said above is spot fucking on.
It should be noted however re. ice age that we are actually still in an ice age currently, we are in an inter glacial warm period. There has been 17 recorded warming and cooling events in this current ice age as proven by data extracted from ice core samples. These climate change events happen quiet rapidly and appear to be driven mostly by earths angle and proximity to the sun, which affects many things, including atmospheric co2 levels.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on October 18, 2024, 11:45:27 AMwe are actually still in an ice age currently, we are in an inter glacial warm period. There has been 17 recorded warming and cooling events in this current ice age as proven by data extracted from ice core samples.
Another thing that is well-known and accounted for in climate models. I'd be curious to know why you accept the inductive conclusions (not "proofs" per se) of the scientists who analyze ice core samples yet seem to reject the conclusions arrived at by identical processes of inductive reasoning by other (and in some cases even the same) climate scientists regarding the role of anthropogenic CO2 in accelerating life-threatening climate change..?
Quote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 04:38:46 PMQuote from: Ducky on October 15, 2024, 03:35:02 PMThat's how science works - it's discussed and acted on to the best of our (well, climate scientists) understanding. It's not gospel, it's open to revisions. Heck, it's open to be blown wide open. But until such time that the climate-change deniers can back their shite-talk conspiracy theories up, I think going with the people who have M.Sc. and Ph.Ds in the topic is the safer bet.
Genuine question - would you question the validity of the claims of say an aeronautical engineer when they say "this is how planes stay in the sky"? Or when say a construction engineer or architect says "this is why that 100 storey building doesn't collapse under its own weight"?
Those are actual concrete examples that can be proven by experiment whereas the climate change science is the experiment right now because nobody knows how it will turn out. It's theoretical stuff. Those examples are something different
Aeronautics are the same. It's not like they said "hey, let's build a plane that's 10 fuckin' storeys tall, call it the A380 and hope that it stays in the sky". They sat down, used a shitload of complex mathematics to experiment on paper/computer before they actually built it. Then when they verified that "shit does in fact work/stay in the sky", they built it. That's why the Burj Kalifa is standing too (and also why they didn't make it 1km tall like originally proposed, because the mathematics said that the bedrock couldn't support it). At the same time, it's not like aeronautical or construction/material sciences are finished. People in those fields work with the best available information to them at the time. It's exactly how the "experimental" climate sciences work right now too.
I've a lowly (in comparison) B.Sc. in environmental science and my cursory ( again in comparison) knowledge says "yeah we are fucked", so you bet that when the boys and girls who have PhDs and years upon years of peer-reviewed research on the topic also say "yeah we're fucked" I tend to side with them over Gary The Mad Conspiracy Lad on Youtube, you know? Call it "confirmation bias" or whatever, but it's a bit of a of a co-inkey-dink that all these highly educated and rigorously scrutinised people are all effectively saying the same thing, no?
At the same time, I'm gonna go out on a limb and hazard a guess that all the
educated up the chuffin' wazoo climatologists aren't nihilists and would rather their kiddos
not inherit a literal scorched earth and are merely calling it as they see it.
I think humans have absolutely fucked the environment in many many ways and could do an awful lot to clean up their act but I think this focus on one element of such a complex system and throwing all the eggs into that one basket is just pure folly. Something like micro plastics will turn out to be 1000 times worse than carbon emissions and everyone will be like oh what a surprise shock horror we shouldn't have put all those eggs in the one basket but we did anyway. Just think about all those bpa free claims on plastics now that leave out that the replacement for bpa is as bad if not worse but it satisfies some narrow environmental or health directives so poison us all away lads.
It's the typical human rot, none of the massive profit making giants in the oil plastic or renewable businesses have any care for saving the world at all but have somehow convinced most folks that living under the thumb of mad environmental initiatives and simply paying way more for everything will fix the earth and get it to some imaginary optimum level of carbon by 2050, completely ignoring the possibility of a single big volcanic eruption putting paid to the point of all that shit in a single day while we all stab ourselves with paper forks into the eyes as self punishment for not having seen the big scam.
Ah well
We already went over that scenario:
QuoteVolcano CO2 Emissions No Match for Human Activity
In as little as 2 days, smokestacks, tailpipes, and other human sources spew a year's worth of volcanic greenhouse gas
https://www.science.org/content/article/scienceshot-volcano-co2-emissions-no-match-human-activity
That means that the "single big volcanic eruption putting paid to the point of all that shit in a single day" which you're imagining would have to be so big as to almost literally render the planet asunder.
Volcanic CO2: accounted for.
Heating effect of reduced aerosols: accounted for.
Millennial climate evolution: accounted for.
Anything real you can think of from the comfort of your armchair, read about on a blog, or hear about in a podcast or YouTube video whose primary source is a blog... all accounted for.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 01:39:19 PMI think humans have absolutely fucked the environment in many many ways and could do an awful lot to clean up their act but I think this focus on one element of such a complex system and throwing all the eggs into that one basket is just pure folly. Something like micro plastics will turn out to be 1000 times worse than carbon emissions and everyone will be like oh what a surprise shock horror we shouldn't have put all those eggs in the one basket but we did anyway. Just think about all those bpa free claims on plastics now that leave out that the replacement for bpa is as bad if not worse but it satisfies some narrow environmental or health directives so poison us all away lads.
It's the typical human rot, none of the massive profit making giants in the oil plastic or renewable businesses have any care for saving the world at all but have somehow convinced most folks that living under the thumb of mad environmental initiatives and simply paying way more for everything will fix the earth and get it to some imaginary optimum level of carbon by 2050, completely ignoring the possibility of a single big volcanic eruption putting paid to the point of all that shit in a single day while we all stab ourselves with paper forks into the eyes as self punishment for not having seen the big scam.
Ah well
It absolutely is not folly. CO2 traps heat (this is Junior Cert science), we've been pumping shitloads of CO2 since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution into the atmosphere, and global temperatures have risen since then. Joining the dots here isn't meant to be so obtuse.
And maybe the microplastics will bring about the apocalypse, but as it is all available evidence points to them not doing that, so heyyo the limited resources available to tackle the issue are routed towards the things that are causing the issues (again, basic science).
The imaginary optimum level of CO2 according to who, exactly? Again, the mathematics, the rigours testing, and peer reviews point to best levels as we currently understand it. This stuff doesn't magically drop from the air.
All available evidence points to CO2 not being the apocalypse, but the shit that the terror about it is used to justify will be another rotten wealth transfer. In fact I'm sure it will lead to digital ID like everything else will.
No, CO2 will green the planet if we stop getting rid of trees at the same time. Yes it looks likely that it contributes to atmospheric warming but we as a species could be looking to adapt instead of terrorising ourselves with it, especially in light of the fact that our attempts are experimental and very likely to make no difference to the planet but a massive difference to our quality of life on it.
Let's just say we were good as gold and then this https://www.carbonbrief.org/tonga-volcano-eruption-raises-imminent-risk-of-temporary-1-5c-breach/ happens, rendering our efforts pointless while China uses coal to power air conditioning for half a billion people and the fuckin eejits in Europe are bollixing on with the same oul paper fork shit and hardly a rex to their name but the place still isn't getting colder or staying at the imaginary optimum.
There's also a mad idea floating around that there's an absolute optimum amount of Co2 or optimum temperature for the earth, even with all the known variables, such as the amount of it that's absorbed by green cover. Well do we think that the earth has ever reached that equilibrium before, and if we do then why the fuck didn't it stay that way? Because it can't but yet here's the fuckin humans thinking they can get there. Lord above. Am I to assume that the absolute optimum was reached right before the industrial revolution and we ruined it by burning things? Ah the whole thing withers me
All anyone has to do is forget the fuckin scientific consensus for a minute and look at the thing as it is and the evidence available and if they are anything like me they will see it's another bullshit game but lots of people are being paid well by pushing it.
How does that volcano exploring render our efforts useless. Like it's a big explosion but humans are chucking far more shit into the atmosphere.
You're not forgetting the fuckin scientific consensus though, you're merely pointing at the parts of it that suit your narrative (yes, it is very much a narrative) while ignoring the bulk. For example, from your own link about the volcano:
QuoteThe authors stress that temporarily crossing the 1.5C threshold [because the impact of the volcano would be temporary] would not equate to missing the Paris Agreement target, which concerns long-term temperature trends.
Scott Pruitt was the first person I ever heard talking about this "mad idea" that there's an absolute optimum amount of CO2 or temperature for the earth. And it was pure confusionism from him. Paid confusionism. You seem merely to be repeating the confusionist line of argumentation about it that he popularized six years ago when he was working under Trump. Rather than encouraging people to confuse themselves as you do, to the point where solid science looks like bullshit, you should maybe try to forget all political instrumentalizations and pay closer attention to just the details of the basic research and get rid of this idea that all the scientists are paid off when, demonstrably, it's the confusionists like Pruitt who are paid to sow doubts. Absolutely non-coincidentally the precise doubts you relentlessly repeat on here.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 19, 2024, 08:59:19 PMHow does that volcano exploring render our efforts useless. Like it's a big explosion but humans are chucking far more shit into the atmosphere.
They aren't. Not in the one go like that. And that's just one volcano. You can look it up and add it all up if you want and then you will see too without me having to point it out all the time. You keep acting like the burden of proof should be on the skeptic but it should actually be on the followers of the religion to prove their god exists so that I might follow it. Simply saying lots of scientists have a consensus reached doesn't compel me to believe any of them.
It causes a bit of cognitive dissonance for the left leaning folk of today thinking that people should forego religion in place of science and then replace that by treating science as religion with all the attached priests and prophets. I don't want your religion thanks and all
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 19, 2024, 09:16:16 PMYou're not forgetting the fuckin scientific consensus though, you're merely pointing at the parts of it that suit your narrative (yes, it is very much a narrative) while ignoring the bulk. For example, from your own link about the volcano:
QuoteThe authors stress that temporarily crossing the 1.5C threshold [because the impact of the volcano would be temporary] would not equate to missing the Paris Agreement target, which concerns long-term temperature trends.
Scott Pruitt was the first person I ever heard talking about this "mad idea" that there's an absolute optimum amount of CO2 or temperature for the earth. And it was pure confusionism from him. Paid confusionism. You seem merely to be repeating the confusionist line of argumentation about it that he popularized six years ago when he was working under Trump. Rather than encouraging people to confuse themselves as you do, to the point where solid science looks like bullshit, you should maybe try to forget all political instrumentalizations and pay closer attention to just the details of the basic research and get rid of this idea that all the scientists are paid off when, demonstrably, it's the confusionists like Pruitt who are paid to sow doubts. Absolutely non-coincidentally the precise doubts you relentlessly repeat on here.
Lol I have you out of the woodwork now and all lol am I a Heretic now? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
A heretic? No, you're a dupe.
Humans emit about 60 times more co2 annually into the atmosphere than all the volcano eruptions. Where are you getting figures that it isn't that way.
Was just thinking about how computer parts are basically standardised while in cars nope, very little and not even across the same brand. Exception being the odbc ports but imagine if you standardised car part interfaces, you could swap out your gear box for any gearbox or engine etc, parts would get cheaper overnight even if it was done in tiers and you could easily and cheaply swap an old standardised engine to a newer lower co2 one
for example but anyway i rant ::) Remember we have global covid restrictions/lockdowns and co2 dropped by feck all - should have been an eye opener.
I dislike alot of greenie ideas that go beyond pollution control like how they'd prefer everyone living to work in sardine canned apartments with no cars etc. Eamon Ryan talking about car pooling in rural villages shows what a huge naive fool he is. I think there is a small chance the green movement will eat itself as greedy corporatists take over.
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Quote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 08:31:37 PMAll available evidence points to CO2 not being the apocalypse, but the shit that the terror about it is used to justify will be another rotten wealth transfer. In fact I'm sure it will lead to digital ID like everything else will.
No, CO2 will green the planet if we stop getting rid of trees at the same time. Yes it looks likely that it contributes to atmospheric warming but we as a species could be looking to adapt instead of terrorising ourselves with it, especially in light of the fact that our attempts are experimental and very likely to make no difference to the planet but a massive difference to our quality of life on it.
Let's just say we were good as gold and then this https://www.carbonbrief.org/tonga-volcano-eruption-raises-imminent-risk-of-temporary-1-5c-breach/ happens, rendering our efforts pointless while China uses coal to power air conditioning for half a billion people and the fuckin eejits in Europe are bollixing on with the same oul paper fork shit and hardly a rex to their name but the place still isn't getting colder or staying at the imaginary optimum.
There's also a mad idea floating around that there's an absolute optimum amount of Co2 or optimum temperature for the earth, even with all the known variables, such as the amount of it that's absorbed by green cover. Well do we think that the earth has ever reached that equilibrium before, and if we do then why the fuck didn't it stay that way? Because it can't but yet here's the fuckin humans thinking they can get there. Lord above. Am I to assume that the absolute optimum was reached right before the industrial revolution and we ruined it by burning things? Ah the whole thing withers me
All anyone has to do is forget the fuckin scientific consensus for a minute and look at the thing as it is and the evidence available and if they are anything like me they will see it's another bullshit game but lots of people are being paid well by pushing it.
The "anything like me" bit got me, so I have to ask - what are your scientific credentials, exactly?
If ye want a bunch of highly educated individuals expressing alternative scientific opinions on the CO2 issue I suggest ye Google CO2coalition.org.
Ye'll find the CO2 facts section most interesting.
Regardless of whether or not climate change is 'real', or to what extent human activity has influenced it, it's become an industry now. Contrarian positions have been engineered to further entrench 'left' v 'right' (the unholy alliance of neoliberal economic globalists with the postmodern left makes the terms obsolete) ; buy more things, accept this tax, allow corrupt, hypocritical politicians and their media mouthpieces sermonise about your 'carbon footprint' and all the rest of it. EVs, wind and solar are not going to solve the problem, and they create issues themselves.
We all agree that pollution, overfishing and deforestation are problems. Why can't those issues be confronted (to the extent that they can be) instead pointless bickering and point scoring (rich coming from an arch-bickerer but still).
The fundamental problem is that taxing diesel cars off the road, 'smart' bottle caps, eco public transportation and rubbish separation are pissing into the wind when the populations of Indonesia, China and India are producing gigantic amounts of pollution in an attempt to no longer be poor. They, like us, are not going to accept any measures which lower rather than increase their standard of living. Fuck the environment if I can feed my kids and have some kind of a life, and none of ye would do any different. How many lads would give up the smartlphone which some ex child soldier in the Congo pulled the cobalt out of the ground fit in a highly un environmentally friendly way for? Same rules apply, just we have the time to Google other people's theories and research and post shite about it on the internet.
If it is 'our' fault, what's the solution?
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on October 20, 2024, 03:13:17 AMIf ye want a bunch of highly educated individuals expressing alternative scientific opinions on the CO2 issue I suggest ye Google CO2coalition.org.
Ye'll find the CO2 facts section most interesting.
Ever dug into the backgrounds of the founders and financers of this well-known climate denialist group? Most interesting too:
QuoteWilliam O'Keefe is the former CEO of the George C. Marshall Institute, before it became the CO2 Coalition in 2015. He also sat as an inital Board Member of the CO2 Coalition.
O'Keefe served as the Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of the American Petroleum Institute (API) from 1974 to 1999. API "represents all aspects of America's oil and natural gas industry."
He has worked for a variety of think tanks and industry groups in executive capacities, and has worked as a registered lobbyist for industry groups on climate change and energy issues including oil giant ExxonMobil and API.
I could go on. But in a nutshell, yes the CO2 Coalition has many learned scientists in it, but the vast majority of them, including the founding members, are not climatologists.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 20, 2024, 07:52:27 AMIf it is 'our' fault, what's the solution?
I think the best we'd come up with on here was a meet-up in a car park somewhere to take pills...? :)
Should probably drop at least half a yoke half an hour beforehand to avoid arguing about some other ball of shite :)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 19, 2024, 09:25:13 PMA heretic? No, you're a dupe.
You are one of the most fervent believers I've ever encountered. All tied into your political worldview. And then you have the brass neck to be going on about theocracy when all you're doing is replacing the gods in it. Where's your belief in my freedom to not believe? Yes, heresy
Quote from: Ducky on October 20, 2024, 12:03:34 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 08:31:37 PMAll available evidence points to CO2 not being the apocalypse, but the shit that the terror about it is used to justify will be another rotten wealth transfer. In fact I'm sure it will lead to digital ID like everything else will.
No, CO2 will green the planet if we stop getting rid of trees at the same time. Yes it looks likely that it contributes to atmospheric warming but we as a species could be looking to adapt instead of terrorising ourselves with it, especially in light of the fact that our attempts are experimental and very likely to make no difference to the planet but a massive difference to our quality of life on it.
Let's just say we were good as gold and then this https://www.carbonbrief.org/tonga-volcano-eruption-raises-imminent-risk-of-temporary-1-5c-breach/ happens, rendering our efforts pointless while China uses coal to power air conditioning for half a billion people and the fuckin eejits in Europe are bollixing on with the same oul paper fork shit and hardly a rex to their name but the place still isn't getting colder or staying at the imaginary optimum.
There's also a mad idea floating around that there's an absolute optimum amount of Co2 or optimum temperature for the earth, even with all the known variables, such as the amount of it that's absorbed by green cover. Well do we think that the earth has ever reached that equilibrium before, and if we do then why the fuck didn't it stay that way? Because it can't but yet here's the fuckin humans thinking they can get there. Lord above. Am I to assume that the absolute optimum was reached right before the industrial revolution and we ruined it by burning things? Ah the whole thing withers me
All anyone has to do is forget the fuckin scientific consensus for a minute and look at the thing as it is and the evidence available and if they are anything like me they will see it's another bullshit game but lots of people are being paid well by pushing it.
The "anything like me" bit got me, so I have to ask - what are your scientific credentials, exactly?
Please, not the credentialism. It's an extremely weak position.
You do have freedom not to believe. That freedom has got nothing whatsoever to do with you being a demonstrable dupe to fossil fuel company sponsored think tanks. You're not a "heretic" so to speak because you're not coming up with these statements yourself, you're just repeating them but while also refusing to engage with evidence of their ultimate source. You've been duped by some of the wealthiest companies on the planet. I listen to scientists who earn basic researcher wages. There's simply no comparison.
Oh there is plenty of comparison. Your priests say what you want to believe and so reinforce you.
Here, read the first line of this before considering who is being duped: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidrvetter/2021/11/19/5-big-lies-about-climate-change-and-why-researchers-trained-a-machine-to-spot-them/
Fuck it, I'll quote it for you:
QuoteWhen it comes to climate change, the science is settled.
= GIANT RED FLAG
There you go, that's the current state of science. Settled. We should have stopped looking at things or being skeptical of claims back when the earth was flat and the sun went around it, because that was the consensus, right? No, of course not.
If you want to call David Vetter a "priest" that is fine by me: he's a journalist, not a scientist. If you want to talk about how badly and sensationally science is reported in popular media, we can do that, but it's again independent of the actual results of the basic scientific research carried out regularly by ordinary climate scientists not on the take from anyone.
So who decided that The Science Is Settled? A rotten phrase that was popularised during the covid years and was spouted by journalists, governments and members of the scientific community. Are you telling me that scientists haven't said that exact phrase at all?
I'm not saying, unfortunately, that it's impossible some scientist(s) may at some point have said something like "When it comes to climate change, the science is settled," but I can be pretty sure they won't have said it in the framework of their peer-reviewed basic research. Because it's a non-scientific assertion. Certain specific questions regarding climate change are considered more "settled" than others, in the same way that it's considered settled that below a certain extreme minimum ppm of atmospheric CO2 most plants can no longer survive. Or the way it's considered settled that volcanic explosions release CO2 into the atmosphere. Or that there have been multiple cooling and heating phases in earth's "recent" millennial history. Or that levels of atmospheric CO2 are currently at an unprecedented high and that the overwhelmingly vast majority of it comes from human sources.
Is it at all possible that a rise in Co2 levels, coupled with significant reforestation would actually improve things? Could the higher Co2 levels actually ease the process of reforestation, and would that be desirable? Could greening be a bad thing if we did too much of it, and could that be bad for the earth or just humans? Is the whole carbon warming thing not playing on people's good nature, making them think they are doing it for something other than fear of a lack of self preservation as a species? Do we only want to save the earth to save ourselves or do we want the ecological balance to remain intact? What happens to dissenting voices in this field?
Let me try to cut through all of that and ask you if (setting aside the vital to human-life energy it produces) you believe industrial-level burning of fossil fuels is on the whole good or bad for the environment, both locally and globally?
Well there's no point freezing to death in a nice place. The balance must be struck between the effect of it and the effect of not having it. Why not go nuclear and have cheap and plentiful energy to supplement the fossil fuels that must be burned to keep a reliably good standard of living. So yeah it's probably not the best and should be reduced if it can be replaced but we're nowhere near that and nobody will use the nuclear. The question is too simplistic.
I don't think it's worth it the way it is though, banging on about distant future generations and having it shit for my actual current generation.
Maybe if there was a solution that didn't simply steal more from me without actually improving anything then I could be talked round somewhat
Quote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 06:37:30 PMI see Walz is in a bit of hot water in time for the election. I wonder will the media treat it like hunter's laptop until the results are in?
You didn't provide any details and I didn't bother asking at the time, but was this comment about this..?
https://www.wired.com/story/russian-propaganda-unit-storm-1516-false-tim-walz-sexual-abuse-claims/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 22, 2024, 11:27:02 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 15, 2024, 06:37:30 PMI see Walz is in a bit of hot water in time for the election. I wonder will the media treat it like hunter's laptop until the results are in?
You didn't provide any details and I didn't bother asking at the time, but was this comment about this..?
https://www.wired.com/story/russian-propaganda-unit-storm-1516-false-tim-walz-sexual-abuse-claims/
Yes that was the one. Something sounds awfully familiar about it don't you think?
QuoteI wonder will the media treat it like hunter's laptop until the results are in?
Read this first: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276
Then this:
https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/spies-who-lie-leader-cosigners-were-cia-payroll-when-they-falsely-claimed-hunter
How original, eh?
I know two things:
At this stage, I wouldn't be particularly surprised to discover any man had sexually abused someone.
Foreign (and domestic) disinfo does happen.
So we'll see what happens, but I'll be neither presuming I know what's going on nor wasting any of my own time trying to figure it out.
Indeed it will come out in the wash, and like all rape claims it should be established beyond doubt before anyone commits to it, but you have to admit the oul Russian disinformation accusations from the Democrats are becoming a bit of a trope at this stage.
They could have just said they'd prove it wasn't true or something without the Russians in it but they rely on the stupidity of people to take that explanation without skepticism, as if they haven't been caught flat out lying about the same thing during the last two elections there with hunter's laptop and hilary's emails.
Some of the Russian disinfo stuff is undoubtedly true though. That's half of the double bind.
Like throw enough shit at the wall and see if any sticks? Same as Trump with the immigrants but it's the Democrats with the Russian disinformation.... an odd thing is bound to be true.
I'll bet those noble yanks would never interfere in anyone else's governmental systems so it's little wonder they'd be so upset about the possibility of another country trying it with them.
I'm pretty sure we even had the Russian shit mentioned here around the referendum or maybe the local elections. Getting very much like when the boy cried wolf with that whole notion.
Every now and again the odd Trump thing makes me laugh but at the same time the whole thing is fucked really when I take just a cold look at the whole thing, trump and Harris and all that comes with that shit in terms of a divided western hemisphere since about 2012 and it's painful really
Anyway
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Only tangentially related but mostly down to the interfering with foreign affairs bit: https://youtu.be/GnQMuS87gLw?si=djVwDXSwDvgxSEgg
Might be of interest to some of ye.
Summarised, eBay execs asked their head of security to harass a blogs writers, e-commerce bytes. After a fairly odd and heavy handed situation, it went to court, and the man involved at one point told the judge he shouldn't be tried for it because he was actually ex CIA. After leaving them he was hired as (in his own words) a contracted private clandestine agent by the CIA again and advised to get jobs in tech firms to spy on international activities and report back to the government. And as nuts as that sounds it turns out to be true, and some arm of the US state ended up getting involved in the case and redacting tons of his statements for "national security reasons". The first US civil case where it happened apparently. Worth a watch anyway the whole thing is interesting in various ways.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 20, 2024, 12:47:23 PMQuote from: Ducky on October 20, 2024, 12:03:34 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 08:31:37 PMAll available evidence points to CO2 not being the apocalypse, but the shit that the terror about it is used to justify will be another rotten wealth transfer. In fact I'm sure it will lead to digital ID like everything else will.
No, CO2 will green the planet if we stop getting rid of trees at the same time. Yes it looks likely that it contributes to atmospheric warming but we as a species could be looking to adapt instead of terrorising ourselves with it, especially in light of the fact that our attempts are experimental and very likely to make no difference to the planet but a massive difference to our quality of life on it.
Let's just say we were good as gold and then this https://www.carbonbrief.org/tonga-volcano-eruption-raises-imminent-risk-of-temporary-1-5c-breach/ happens, rendering our efforts pointless while China uses coal to power air conditioning for half a billion people and the fuckin eejits in Europe are bollixing on with the same oul paper fork shit and hardly a rex to their name but the place still isn't getting colder or staying at the imaginary optimum.
There's also a mad idea floating around that there's an absolute optimum amount of Co2 or optimum temperature for the earth, even with all the known variables, such as the amount of it that's absorbed by green cover. Well do we think that the earth has ever reached that equilibrium before, and if we do then why the fuck didn't it stay that way? Because it can't but yet here's the fuckin humans thinking they can get there. Lord above. Am I to assume that the absolute optimum was reached right before the industrial revolution and we ruined it by burning things? Ah the whole thing withers me
All anyone has to do is forget the fuckin scientific consensus for a minute and look at the thing as it is and the evidence available and if they are anything like me they will see it's another bullshit game but lots of people are being paid well by pushing it.
The "anything like me" bit got me, so I have to ask - what are your scientific credentials, exactly?
Please, not the credentialism. It's an extremely weak position.
So you're cool if your surgery is performed by Dr. Nick? Because if not, then you're fine with credentials when it suits your narrative.
Ok, 2 weeks to go, who you think is taking it? And will it be close or a landslide?
Very hard to call. Depending on which commentators you listen to, either one or the other is surging ahead.
I'd rather Trump if for no other reason than the entire media industrial complex and pals have thrown everything at the cunt, he's been shot at, they've tried giving him the jail and he's just laughing in their faces. Tulsi Gabbard or RFK would be far better, but this lemon Harris, what is the point of her, other than she's not DT?
Obama coming out with some pure bullshit there about the pandemic, if his 'tha brothaz' cringefest last week wasn't bad enough.
Quote from: Ducky on October 23, 2024, 01:25:22 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 20, 2024, 12:47:23 PMQuote from: Ducky on October 20, 2024, 12:03:34 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 08:31:37 PMAll available evidence points to CO2 not being the apocalypse, but the shit that the terror about it is used to justify will be another rotten wealth transfer. In fact I'm sure it will lead to digital ID like everything else will.
No, CO2 will green the planet if we stop getting rid of trees at the same time. Yes it looks likely that it contributes to atmospheric warming but we as a species could be looking to adapt instead of terrorising ourselves with it, especially in light of the fact that our attempts are experimental and very likely to make no difference to the planet but a massive difference to our quality of life on it.
Let's just say we were good as gold and then this https://www.carbonbrief.org/tonga-volcano-eruption-raises-imminent-risk-of-temporary-1-5c-breach/ happens, rendering our efforts pointless while China uses coal to power air conditioning for half a billion people and the fuckin eejits in Europe are bollixing on with the same oul paper fork shit and hardly a rex to their name but the place still isn't getting colder or staying at the imaginary optimum.
There's also a mad idea floating around that there's an absolute optimum amount of Co2 or optimum temperature for the earth, even with all the known variables, such as the amount of it that's absorbed by green cover. Well do we think that the earth has ever reached that equilibrium before, and if we do then why the fuck didn't it stay that way? Because it can't but yet here's the fuckin humans thinking they can get there. Lord above. Am I to assume that the absolute optimum was reached right before the industrial revolution and we ruined it by burning things? Ah the whole thing withers me
All anyone has to do is forget the fuckin scientific consensus for a minute and look at the thing as it is and the evidence available and if they are anything like me they will see it's another bullshit game but lots of people are being paid well by pushing it.
The "anything like me" bit got me, so I have to ask - what are your scientific credentials, exactly?
Please, not the credentialism. It's an extremely weak position.
So you're cool if your surgery is performed by Dr. Nick? Because if not, then you're fine with credentials when it suits your narrative.
There's plenty of lads with qualifications who will do a rotten job. Qualifications do not make one right, just that there's more chance one will be right.
You find me an expert with an expert opinion and I'll find you one saying the opposite so the appeal to authority is still as weak as I said it was
You can teach people things, but what they do with those things is unpredictable.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 23, 2024, 05:05:41 PMVery hard to call. Depending on which commentators you listen to, either one or the other is surging ahead.
I'd rather Trump if for no other reason than the entire media industrial complex and pals have thrown everything at the cunt, he's been shot at, they've tried giving him the jail and he's just laughing in their faces. Tulsi Gabbard or RFK would be far better, but this lemon Harris, what is the point of her, other than she's not DT?
Obama coming out with some pure bullshit there about the pandemic, if his 'tha brothaz' cringefest last week wasn't bad enough.
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FFS :laugh:
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 23, 2024, 05:05:41 PMObama coming out with some pure bullshit there about the pandemic, if his 'tha brothaz' cringefest last week wasn't bad enough.
You must have missed him rapping last night when Deep State Shady was endorsing Harris :laugh:
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on October 23, 2024, 03:33:39 PMOk, 2 weeks to go, who you think is taking it? And will it be close or a landslide?
Oh it'll be close. And it'll all come down to pennsylvania with its 19 electoral votes. Toss of a coin at present. Not there's high early turnout in the states where early voting is in play. Higher turnout is always better for Democrats.
I've asked a few trump supporters why they are voting for him. Own the libs is mainly the answer. Which is ridiculous, but hey. Hope Harris gets in. Not cause of any love for the Democrats. I just don't want another 4 years of that fukcing amadan in the news every day.
Double post
Landslide surely guaranteed now:
https://www.nme.com/news/music/insane-clown-posse-endorse-kamala-harris-now-i-remember-why-i-hated-trump-3805419
I know that post is tongue-in-cheek, but all this celebrity endorsement shit, whether it is these dippit cunts or Hulk Hogan, just go away ye saps.
Okay, but who would win in a tag-team fight between Donald Trump/Hulk Hogan and Kamala Harris/Violent J?
New World Order-era Hogan?
2024 RNC-era Hogan
IF HARRIS WINS WE RIOT
Would be the signage.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 23, 2024, 07:25:06 PMOkay, but who would win in a tag-team fight between Donald Trump/Hulk Hogan and Kamala Harris/Violent J?
Honestly I reckon Harris could take Hogan
Quote from: astfgyl on October 23, 2024, 05:55:21 PMQuote from: Ducky on October 23, 2024, 01:25:22 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 20, 2024, 12:47:23 PMQuote from: Ducky on October 20, 2024, 12:03:34 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 08:31:37 PMAll available evidence points to CO2 not being the apocalypse, but the shit that the terror about it is used to justify will be another rotten wealth transfer. In fact I'm sure it will lead to digital ID like everything else will.
No, CO2 will green the planet if we stop getting rid of trees at the same time. Yes it looks likely that it contributes to atmospheric warming but we as a species could be looking to adapt instead of terrorising ourselves with it, especially in light of the fact that our attempts are experimental and very likely to make no difference to the planet but a massive difference to our quality of life on it.
Let's just say we were good as gold and then this https://www.carbonbrief.org/tonga-volcano-eruption-raises-imminent-risk-of-temporary-1-5c-breach/ happens, rendering our efforts pointless while China uses coal to power air conditioning for half a billion people and the fuckin eejits in Europe are bollixing on with the same oul paper fork shit and hardly a rex to their name but the place still isn't getting colder or staying at the imaginary optimum.
There's also a mad idea floating around that there's an absolute optimum amount of Co2 or optimum temperature for the earth, even with all the known variables, such as the amount of it that's absorbed by green cover. Well do we think that the earth has ever reached that equilibrium before, and if we do then why the fuck didn't it stay that way? Because it can't but yet here's the fuckin humans thinking they can get there. Lord above. Am I to assume that the absolute optimum was reached right before the industrial revolution and we ruined it by burning things? Ah the whole thing withers me
All anyone has to do is forget the fuckin scientific consensus for a minute and look at the thing as it is and the evidence available and if they are anything like me they will see it's another bullshit game but lots of people are being paid well by pushing it.
The "anything like me" bit got me, so I have to ask - what are your scientific credentials, exactly?
Please, not the credentialism. It's an extremely weak position.
So you're cool if your surgery is performed by Dr. Nick? Because if not, then you're fine with credentials when it suits your narrative.
There's plenty of lads with qualifications who will do a rotten job. Qualifications do not make one right, just that there's more chance one will be right.
You find me an expert with an expert opinion and I'll find you one saying the opposite so the appeal to authority is still as weak as I said it was
You can teach people things, but what they do with those things is unpredictable.
Yeah I broadly agree that there's some dopes who qualify and no one knows how they did, but do realistically think when climatologists collectively say "we're boned, it's largely due to CO2, and here's the mathematics and data to prove it" they're all clueless?
"I've known Jeff [Epstein] for fifteen years. Terrific guy. [...] He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life." (Trump in 2002, it came up again at the height of the Epstein story a couple years back)
I still find it fascinating how MAGA of the pizzagate/QAnon persuasion manage to persuade themselves that Trump is innocent of precisely the kind of crimes they're obsessed with despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary. Or, in other words, if someone they didn't like had only a fraction of that evidence stacked against them, they'd be like a dog with a bone.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 24, 2024, 03:10:53 PMI still find it fascinating how MAGA of the pizzagate/QAnon persuasion manage to persuade themselves that Trump is innocent of precisely the kind of crimes they're obsessed with despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary. Or, in other words, if someone they didn't like had only a fraction of that evidence stacked against them, they'd be like a dog with a bone.
This article is an interesting quick read in that regard, or rather why people continue to support him in general despite everything https://theconversation.com/why-do-people-still-back-trump-after-everything-5-things-to-understand-about-maga-supporters-thinking-239031 (https://theconversation.com/why-do-people-still-back-trump-after-everything-5-things-to-understand-about-maga-supporters-thinking-239031)
Also, Undertaker, Kane, and Batista have entered the fray so we're up to a Survivor Series rules match at this point: https://www.thewrap.com/undertaker-endorses-donald-trump-glen-jacobs-kane-mark-calaway/ (https://www.thewrap.com/undertaker-endorses-donald-trump-glen-jacobs-kane-mark-calaway/)
Batista doesn't look well. Presumably he's preparing for a role.
Quote from: Ducky on October 24, 2024, 11:50:19 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 23, 2024, 05:55:21 PMQuote from: Ducky on October 23, 2024, 01:25:22 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 20, 2024, 12:47:23 PMQuote from: Ducky on October 20, 2024, 12:03:34 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 19, 2024, 08:31:37 PMAll available evidence points to CO2 not being the apocalypse, but the shit that the terror about it is used to justify will be another rotten wealth transfer. In fact I'm sure it will lead to digital ID like everything else will.
No, CO2 will green the planet if we stop getting rid of trees at the same time. Yes it looks likely that it contributes to atmospheric warming but we as a species could be looking to adapt instead of terrorising ourselves with it, especially in light of the fact that our attempts are experimental and very likely to make no difference to the planet but a massive difference to our quality of life on it.
Let's just say we were good as gold and then this https://www.carbonbrief.org/tonga-volcano-eruption-raises-imminent-risk-of-temporary-1-5c-breach/ happens, rendering our efforts pointless while China uses coal to power air conditioning for half a billion people and the fuckin eejits in Europe are bollixing on with the same oul paper fork shit and hardly a rex to their name but the place still isn't getting colder or staying at the imaginary optimum.
There's also a mad idea floating around that there's an absolute optimum amount of Co2 or optimum temperature for the earth, even with all the known variables, such as the amount of it that's absorbed by green cover. Well do we think that the earth has ever reached that equilibrium before, and if we do then why the fuck didn't it stay that way? Because it can't but yet here's the fuckin humans thinking they can get there. Lord above. Am I to assume that the absolute optimum was reached right before the industrial revolution and we ruined it by burning things? Ah the whole thing withers me
All anyone has to do is forget the fuckin scientific consensus for a minute and look at the thing as it is and the evidence available and if they are anything like me they will see it's another bullshit game but lots of people are being paid well by pushing it.
The "anything like me" bit got me, so I have to ask - what are your scientific credentials, exactly?
Please, not the credentialism. It's an extremely weak position.
So you're cool if your surgery is performed by Dr. Nick? Because if not, then you're fine with credentials when it suits your narrative.
There's plenty of lads with qualifications who will do a rotten job. Qualifications do not make one right, just that there's more chance one will be right.
You find me an expert with an expert opinion and I'll find you one saying the opposite so the appeal to authority is still as weak as I said it was
You can teach people things, but what they do with those things is unpredictable.
Yeah I broadly agree that there's some dopes who qualify and no one knows how they did, but do realistically think when climatologists collectively say "we're boned, it's largely due to CO2, and here's the mathematics and data to prove it" they're all clueless?
Okay no, not clueless to be fair, but a bit myopic. It was David Bellamy who first sowed the seeds of doubt for me on that front and I'll dig him out talking about it because he's a bit more eloquent than I. I'm not saying humans don't cause warming and not saying Co2 doesn't contribute. I can also see the logic of a tipping point and cascading effect but still niggling away at me is the feeling that we're not seeing the wood for the trees in terms of this stuff. It's even be more up for the experiment on a grand scale if the cost was trimmed off the top rather than the likes of me. I mean, this stuff has already been used to make me materially poorer so it would want to be fuckin nailed on before I buy on at that price
I don't think Harris should agree to anymore televised interviews. That CNN thing...she actually sounds like she is retarded.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 25, 2024, 03:35:57 PMI don't think Harris should agree to anymore televised interviews. That CNN thing...she actually sounds like she is retarded.
She don't come across great. Trump is also speaking absolute nonsense.
The last two weeks have been catastrophic for her. If you're a democrat and CNN are roasting you, you have to be making an almighty balls of the situation.
It's obvious why they kept her wrapt up in cotton wool for so long. She has zero charisma and is objectively speaking unlikable. However you feel about Trump and his bombast and crass spoofing, there is no denying the man is loved as much as he's hated.
It might come down to that, lads deciding which is worse, Trump and all that that entails, or that nasal whine and cackle merchant who is flipping and flopping and stumbling over every question, and without the political nimbleness that even Michael poxy Martin can manage.
Only clips I've seen is her floundering over their position on Gaza, which is completely untenable. I've been trying to get my head around it: the DNC supports Bibi, but Bibi wants Trump, who the DNC call fascist. So folk (i.e. "swing voters") who don't want a fascist (accepting the term for argument's sake) are being implicitly primed to also oppose a man (moreover called fascist by DNC equivalents in his own country) who the supposed alternative to fascism nevertheless supports.
It's insane. I don't recall voters being put in such a dissonant bind before.
Watch the CNN 'townhall' (wtf does that even mean?). Most clips I've seen are with right wing commentators gleefully mocking her, but even so, it's fairly calamitous.
As for the Gaza situation, she has nowhere to turn there. No matter what the Israelis do, and they've done plenty, they money hose will under no circumstances be turned off for reasons I doubt need spelling out.
Trump is going on Rogan today. Harris was suppose to be going on as well but the rumour is she decided against it at the last minute.
The only possible outcome is that Trump will potentially try and ease the middle east situation for bragging rights but even that's unlikely.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 25, 2024, 07:01:18 PMOnly clips I've seen is her floundering over their position on Gaza, which is completely untenable. I've been trying to get my head around it: the DNC supports Bibi, but Bibi wants Trump, who the DNC call fascist. So folk (i.e. "swing voters") who don't want a fascist (accepting the term for argument's sake) are being implicitly primed to also oppose a man (moreover called fascist by DNC equivalents in his own country) who the supposed alternative to fascism nevertheless supports.
It's insane. I don't recall voters being put in such a dissonant bind before.
Ah lad she has floundered on stringing a sentence together since she was announced. What are her policies at all?
I meant the only clips I've seen from yesterday's CNN yoke specifically.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 25, 2024, 11:25:17 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 25, 2024, 07:01:18 PMOnly clips I've seen is her floundering over their position on Gaza, which is completely untenable. I've been trying to get my head around it: the DNC supports Bibi, but Bibi wants Trump, who the DNC call fascist. So folk (i.e. "swing voters") who don't want a fascist (accepting the term for argument's sake) are being implicitly primed to also oppose a man (moreover called fascist by DNC equivalents in his own country) who the supposed alternative to fascism nevertheless supports.
It's insane. I don't recall voters being put in such a dissonant bind before.
Ah lad she has floundered on stringing a sentence together since she was announced. What are her policies at all?
They werent that hard to find at all. It's on her website. Link https://kamalaharris.com/issues/
Also if you want to see her speaking coherently look up her interrogating Bill Barr at the senate hearings. She was a prosecutor.
You want lads to look her up speaking coherently? Ha ha. Ah yer messin now.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 08:47:38 AMYou want lads to look her up speaking coherently? Ha ha. Ah yer messin now.
Couldn't give a fuck what lads do tbh.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 25, 2024, 07:36:05 PMTrump is going on Rogan today. Harris was suppose to be going on as well but the rumour is she decided against it at the last minute.
Listened to it this morning, very enjoyable. Talked a bit more UFC than I was expecting but he came off well. Good point about Whoopi Goldberg and those other harpies loving him when he was just a media personality and turning on him utterly as soon as he got into (the wrong) politics.
I'm sure the media is all hands on deck to take stuff out of context, but they're sat nothing you ask me. 6 million views on YouTube alone already.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 10:09:15 AMQuote from: mickO))) on October 25, 2024, 07:36:05 PMTrump is going on Rogan today. Harris was suppose to be going on as well but the rumour is she decided against it at the last minute.
Listened to it this morning, very enjoyable. Talked a bit more UFC than I was expecting but he came off well. Good point about Whoopi Goldberg and those other harpies loving him when he was just a media personality and turning on him utterly as soon as he got into (the wrong) politics.
I'm sure the media is all hands on deck to take stuff out of context, but they're sat nothing you ask me. 6 million views on YouTube alone already.
Watching some of it here myself and he's coming across very well and is pretty funny. Good move by him to go on Rogan. I really hope Harris does something similar so we can all see how eloquent she is :laugh:
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 26, 2024, 08:34:30 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 25, 2024, 11:25:17 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 25, 2024, 07:01:18 PMOnly clips I've seen is her floundering over their position on Gaza, which is completely untenable. I've been trying to get my head around it: the DNC supports Bibi, but Bibi wants Trump, who the DNC call fascist. So folk (i.e. "swing voters") who don't want a fascist (accepting the term for argument's sake) are being implicitly primed to also oppose a man (moreover called fascist by DNC equivalents in his own country) who the supposed alternative to fascism nevertheless supports.
It's insane. I don't recall voters being put in such a dissonant bind before.
Ah lad she has floundered on stringing a sentence together since she was announced. What are her policies at all?
They werent that hard to find at all. It's on her website. Link https://kamalaharris.com/issues/
Also if you want to see her speaking coherently look up her interrogating Bill Barr at the senate hearings. She was a prosecutor.
Somehow I don't think she came up with any of that by herself any more than Biden did but it's better looking than I expected to be fair about it. She's as thick as two short planks though, as much as trump is a narcissist. During the entire campaign she hasn't come across well even once unless one considers random wild cackling to count as coming across well.
I honestly thought trump was on a hiding to nothing this time around because he was so unwanted last time that Biden got in while being obviously senile so the Democrats have made an awful mistake here and there must be some actually coherent members of the Democrat party wondering why they didn't get a shot at it given how inept she is, but then again it was basically a coup on Biden that has her running at all
She was the least popular of all the candidates in the primary when Biden got the ticket, and no hope she getting was asked to be his running mate if she weren't a woman and let's say 'exotic' looking. Lads are desperately trying to convince themselves she's viable or qualified or a safe bet or whatever else I've read (and that's just on this forum). Every man Jack knows deep down she's an appalling candidate whose only redeeming factor is that she is not the other lad. All the guff about defending democracy and all the other choreographed nonsense in the news, no-one has voted for her.
I'll give her one thing, she looks very well for 60. But that's it.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 26, 2024, 10:55:31 AMGood move by him to go on Rogan. I really hope Harris does something similar so we can all see how eloquent she is :laugh:
Trump has been trying to get onto the podcast for the last 3 years but Joe wouldn't have him on. He doesn't like Trump although in the last year or so he does seem to be warming up to him. Joe even wore his black shirt that he only wears when he's doing commentary for the UFC :laugh:
I was looking forward to Harris going on more but it would have destroyed her she would have just been talking in circles. Her team and security staff met with Joe last week to discuss her going on but it looks like she pulled out at the last minute. It's funny now seeing everywhere even on here all the people who thought she had a chance are now starting to come to the realisation that she hasn't a hope and the more she opens her mouth the worse things are looking for her.
Evaluating Harris's "objective" qualities as a candidate would be all well and good were she not up against someone who, apart from the fact that he happens to have occupied the position before, is objectively less qualified in terms of standard political qualifications. There's no desperation needed to demonstrate that. You not agreeing is a different matter, but there's no scramble: it's easy to defend Harris as a better (this being different to good) candidate because Trump remains a thoroughly despicable person who appeals only to the cynical or those who take his propaganda at face value, something that literally demands stupidity. As in, you truly have to be stupid, or force yourself to be stupid, to accept at face value many of the things he says which have simply no connection to reality. MAGA has made, is making, and plans to continue to make the US stupider. Explicitly so.
Basically, I stick to my position that MAGA has all the worst and most hypocritical aspects the DNC also undeniably has... but then a whole other level of shit on top.
I haven't liked her at all at any stage and think she is by far a worse candidate than trump, but because he was so divisive, it seemed to me that all the Democrats had to do was get somebody to play towards the centre a bit and it should have been an easy win. But instead they picked her for some reason and now it looks bad for their chances, even with all the celebrity endorsements and media in her favour. Seems like a real own goal.
Now saying all that, I think a sneaky tenner on her to win could still be worth it because the place there looks so divided that they'll just pick along party lines instead of policies so it's probably not going to be as comprehensive a victory for Trump as right leaning media would have us believeand I still think there's a chance she'll be sworn in.
You're a great lad for tarring people who disagree with you as cynical, stupid etc etc. Fellas with intellectual biceps far more impressive than yours (only my actual biceps are bigger than yours) are backing Trump, maybe you can explain why?
He said himself in the interview be exaggerates, he's a politician now, what do you expect? Donald Trump talks pish. Absolutely. Why not listen to the interview and critique his performance instead of repeating your anti-Trump manifesto for the umpteenth time.
Why not pull up Tim Walz on his endless stream of bullshit? You were licking his earlobe a few months back.
MAGA wants more people to be more stupid. Certain very "smart" folk also, cynically, want more people to be more stupid. Nothing new about that. The DNC want to maintain people at the general level of docile acceptance/stupidity they are already at. That is far from optimal in my perspective but clearly preferable to wanting to make people more stupid. None of this is insulting to the people involved since I whole-heartedly believe anyone placed in an environment that favours intelligence will quickly learn to act intelligently. MAGA is more explicitly opposed to the construction of intelligent environments than the DNC. And moreover, MAGA tend to toe the line that not everyone placed in such an environment will learn to act intelligently. Because they're racist and (in many cases, cynically) choose to ignore environmental impact as a thing.
As far as I remember, I was mainly evaluating Walz in comparison to Vance, just as I'm evaluating Harris in comparison to Trump. I can support Harris over Trump without cynicism. I couldn't full on support Harris (or the DNC in general) without being cynical. I'm convinced another Trump presidency will be disastrous, domestically in the US and internationally, but I don't actually think Harris deserves to win based on the campaign they've been running more recently. When he was picked, Walz seemed a really strong strategic choice. I haven't been closely following what he's been doing or saying in the last couple of weeks to determine if he's now doing worse for the Harris ticket than Vance is for the Trump ticket.
I do not understand what your hypothesis that Trump wants people to be more stupid. To what end? I'd like some of my workmates to be smarter, but I mean, they're either smart or stupid ; how can you make people stupider? Presumably you mean hoodwink them somehow. Again, to what end?
Little will change, in my view, regardless of who is elected but internationally, Trump
is making the right noises about nudging cunts in the right direction vis-à-vis Ukrainians. You're part of an ultra-biased anti-Trump bloc whether you care to admit it or not, and any objective good he does, you'll be incapable of recognising it.
It'll be more sweeties for BiBi either way,
Poor oul Walz is as bad as anything with all the lies he's been caught telling. He really looks like he thinks people can't just look it up.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 02:21:16 PMIt'll be more sweeties for BiBi either way,
Yeah that's guaranteed no matter who gets in
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 01:39:46 PMYou're a great lad for tarring people who disagree with you as cynical, stupid etc etc. Fellas with intellectual biceps far more impressive than yours (only my actual biceps are bigger than yours) are backing Trump, maybe you can explain why?
On why some of them are backing trump. Their business is better off under Trump.
As for whether republicans want the population educated. They don't. If you're poorly educated you're way more likely to vote republican. And if you're an urban dweller with a college education you're far more likely to vote democrat.
The whole 2 party system is fucked anyway imo.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 02:21:16 PMLittle will change, in my view, regardless of who is elected but internationally, Trump
is making the right noises about nudging cunts in the right direction vis-à-vis Ukrainians.
It'll be more sweeties for BiBi either way,
The sweets will never stop flowing to Bibi. A stain on humanity that lad. As for Ukraine. I think they're proper fucked if Trump gets in. Flow of arms would stop I'd say. BTW what noises are you on about in the Ukrainian sense. Should they just bow down and let Russia take part of their country. It was ill advised looking to join nato. But they are a sovereign country. Should they be allowed do what they want or always cow to their neighbour?
To what end might leaders of a nation want to make their citizens more stupid, more docile, more accepting of wild assertions over the empirical complexities of reality? Shake your historical knowledge a little bit there.
I am anti-Trump, yes. I don't think I'm ultra biased, I just don't see anything I consider positive in the vision he has for, in a nutshell, humanity (be that in the US or globally).
Putin was in the wrong to invade *looks over shoulder*. Ukraine is a sovereign country, but look at the bigger picture.
Right or wrong, the Russians were pushed and prodded by pointless (counterproductive, even) NATO expansion. Ukraine will never prevail without direct NATO intervention, which is WW3 and its gg well played for humanity. Therefore this only ends at the negotiating table and concessions have to be made to the Russians, it's as simple as that. Unpalatable as that may be, it's the only way.
Of course everyone has to save face first, so there's a lot more misery to come, sadly.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 26, 2024, 02:42:43 PMTo what end might leaders of a nation want to make their citizens more stupid, more docile, more accepting of wild assertions over the empirical complexities of reality? Shake your historical knowledge a little bit there.
I am anti-Trump, yes. I don't think I'm ultra biased, I just don't see anything I consider positive in the vision he has for, in a nutshell, humanity (be that in the US or globally).
Yeah but how do you make people stupider, and to what end? Or did you misspeak.
I love my history, so the two new things you said, sure. But make people stupid? I don't get it.
I don't get how you don't get it.
I mean, one is either stupid or one isn't. How does one person, through rhetoric, influence another persons stupidity or lack thereof.
Perhaps you miss understand the word itself. Unlikely given your large vocabulary.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 02:43:46 PMPutin was in the wrong to invade *looks over shoulder*. Ukraine is a sovereign country, but look at the bigger picture.
Right or wrong, the Russians were pushed and prodded by pointless (counterproductive, even) NATO expansion. Ukraine will never prevail without direct NATO intervention, which is WW3 and its gg well played for humanity. Therefore this only ends at the negotiating table and concessions have to be made to the Russians, it's as simple as that. Unpalatable as that may be, it's the only way.
Of course everyone has to save face first, so there's a lot more misery to come, sadly.
Ya that's how it'll end alright. Putin is a psychopath. The threat of invasion alone would have stopped Ukraine joining nato. But Putin likes to have a war going on to big himself up to the populace as the defender of Russia. No matter how many Russians he uses as cannon fodder in the process.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 02:54:31 PMI mean, one is either stupid or one isn't. How does one person, through rhetoric, influence another persons stupidity or lack thereof.
Perhaps you miss understand the word itself. Unlikely given your large vocabulary.
I think it's more in the vein of keeping a large section of the population uneducated. You're right in you can't make people more stupid. Outside a brain injury of course.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 26, 2024, 02:29:35 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 01:39:46 PMYou're a great lad for tarring people who disagree with you as cynical, stupid etc etc. Fellas with intellectual biceps far more impressive than yours (only my actual biceps are bigger than yours) are backing Trump, maybe you can explain why?
On why some of them are backing trump. Their business is better off under Trump.
As for whether republicans want the population educated. They don't. If you're poorly educated you're way more likely to vote republican. And if you're an urban dweller with a college education you're far more likely to vote democrat.
The whole 2 party system is fucked anyway imo.
Isn't it mad how it can be divided like that? Not even arguing with it because that's pretty much been it for as long as I can remember. Is it the case that the colleges are indoctrinating students to feel more progressive and that country folk don't like change or outsiders? I wonder could it be that simple. I saw a graph not long ago that showed professors/ lecturers political leanings in the US and it was unsurprising. I'll go look for it I think I bookmarked it and throw it up
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 26, 2024, 02:56:16 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 02:43:46 PMPutin was in the wrong to invade *looks over shoulder*. Ukraine is a sovereign country, but look at the bigger picture.
Right or wrong, the Russians were pushed and prodded by pointless (counterproductive, even) NATO expansion. Ukraine will never prevail without direct NATO intervention, which is WW3 and its gg well played for humanity. Therefore this only ends at the negotiating table and concessions have to be made to the Russians, it's as simple as that. Unpalatable as that may be, it's the only way.
Of course everyone has to save face first, so there's a lot more misery to come, sadly.
Ya that's how it'll end alright. Putin is a psychopath. The threat of invasion alone would have stopped Ukraine joining nato. But Putin likes to have a war going on to big himself up to the populace as the defender of Russia. No matter how many Russians he uses as cannon fodder in the process.
I think as much as anything else that the eye watering sums of money and the chance to launder it through Ukraine has a much merit as an explanation as the whole shtick about freedom and sovereign rights coming from the west. Enough money will have to be made from human misery into the right pockets before any end to it, which will certainly be at the negotiating table. Well as long as Boris Johnson doesn't get back in the Ukrainians ears. It seems we have him to thank for a large part of keeping it going but then who knows how much of that is true or whose idea that was anyway
Keeping it on topic, it looked like Trump had zelensky fairly on side when they met lately and mentioned ending the war, which was nice compared to the pure rhetoric and bloodlust that we've heard from the current administration at least.
Then again, Trump is all in on supporting Israel stamping the boot onto the Palestinian faces or so it seems anyway so that sort of negates the idea of justice or fairness there
Sorry but, just as education leads people to higher intelligence, it is absolutely possible to lead people into stupidity. Brain-washing, indoctrination, discouragement of individual critical thinking. It's entirely symptomatic you've come to the typical essentialist MAGA/conservative conclusion that one simply is smart or is stupid, full stop. That is the very negation of the power of education and it is false; empirically, objectively, historically, etc.
Edit: I'll add that the most cynical among those who outwardly pretend that certain individuals or certain peoples just "are stupid" and cannot be educated to higher intelligence, nevertheless weaponize the workings of education in order to indoctrinate their own people into accepting this falsehood.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Political-identification-of-college-professors-by-field_tbl1_40823273
There's something like that graph I was talking about in my last post. It's interesting to see the allegiance by subject.
And I don't believe education makes people less stupid. It just gives them info to run through their regular iq and some of the thickest cunts I've met are very well educated and some of the smartest can hardly spell their own names.
There is an obvious push towards leftist ideals in education, regardless of whether it's good or bad, it definitely is a thing and I'm talking about here in Ireland where I have 4 kids at various stages of it. No conservative viewpoints welcome unless it's the Muslims saying them, which is also very odd the more I think about it
Quote from: astfgyl on October 26, 2024, 03:20:40 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on October 26, 2024, 02:56:16 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 02:43:46 PMPutin was in the wrong to invade *looks over shoulder*. Ukraine is a sovereign country, but look at the bigger picture.
Right or wrong, the Russians were pushed and prodded by pointless (counterproductive, even) NATO expansion. Ukraine will never prevail without direct NATO intervention, which is WW3 and its gg well played for humanity. Therefore this only ends at the negotiating table and concessions have to be made to the Russians, it's as simple as that. Unpalatable as that may be, it's the only way.
Of course everyone has to save face first, so there's a lot more misery to come, sadly.
Ya that's how it'll end alright. Putin is a psychopath. The threat of invasion alone would have stopped Ukraine joining nato. But Putin likes to have a war going on to big himself up to the populace as the defender of Russia. No matter how many Russians he uses as cannon fodder in the process.
I think as much as anything else that the eye watering sums of money and the chance to launder it through Ukraine has a much merit as an explanation as the whole shtick about freedom and sovereign rights coming from the west. Enough money will have to be made from human misery into the right pockets before any end to it, which will certainly be at the negotiating table. Well as long as Boris Johnson doesn't get back in the Ukrainians ears. It seems we have him to thank for a large part of keeping it going but then who knows how much of that is true or whose idea that was anyway
Keeping it on topic, it looked like Trump had zelensky fairly on side when they met lately and mentioned ending the war, which was nice compared to the pure rhetoric and bloodlust that we've heard from the current administration at least.
Then again, Trump is all in on supporting Israel stamping the boot onto the Palestinian faces or so it seems anyway so that sort of negates the idea of justice or fairness there
The whole Ukraine thing is the same as the Cuba thing, same as the Vietnam thing, and on and on. Russia and US have be fighting proxy wars for decades. Great for the arms industry so it ploughs on.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 26, 2024, 04:32:22 PMAnd I don't believe education makes people less stupid. It just gives them info to run through their regular iq and some of the thickest cunts I've met are very well educated and some of the smartest can hardly spell their own names.
IQ doesn't measure intelligence as common sense understands intelligence. Notably, it doesn't measure rationality. IQ tests aren't even configured to test for rationality, the core element of which is updating of prior conclusions in the light of new evidence. This is a skill, a cognitive capacity, which proper education would communicate from early on but which can be learnt later on as well, especially if the social context one is in encourages it. Unfortunately this is not the case for all schools or even all universities.
Yeah maybe common sense is a better term for what I'm getting at. I'm not saying education is a bad thing either, I just wish there'd be less politics and more STEM in it. I can even remember cspe as a young lad and when I look at it now it was basically just eu class and there was never a mention of any potential downside to any of it, which is not a great way to look at anything. Chatting to the son about it lately and it hasn't changed since from what he says
https://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2024/10/heavy-metal-star-breaks-silence-after-sentencing-for-jan-6-role.html
Lol the state of the apology. I wonder what made him sorry
Quote from: astfgyl on October 26, 2024, 04:58:54 PMhttps://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2024/10/heavy-metal-star-breaks-silence-after-sentencing-for-jan-6-role.html
Lol the state of the apology. I wonder what made him sorry
I just can't get my head around that many people being told an election was stolen and believed it so much they went to march on the capitol. When there wasn't the first shred of evidence of a steal. Orange man said it. It must be true. That's just cult behaviour. Normal conservatives must be aghast as to what's happened to its party.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 26, 2024, 03:55:47 PMSorry but, just as education leads people to higher intelligence, it is absolutely possible to lead people into stupidity. Brain-washing, indoctrination, discouragement of individual critical thinking. It's entirely symptomatic you've come to the typical essentialist MAGA/conservative conclusion that one simply is smart or is stupid, full stop. That is the very negation of the power of education and it is false; empirically, objectively, historically, etc.
Edit: I'll add that the most cynical among those who outwardly pretend that certain individuals or certain peoples just "are stupid" and cannot be educated to higher intelligence, nevertheless weaponize the workings of education in order to indoctrinate their own people into accepting this falsehood.
I disagree. Thomas Edison left school at 12. Don't think Steve Jobs was particularly well 'educated'. You seem to view the concept in very narrow terms. An 'education' can be gotten in a variety of ways, including from oneself and ones own silent contemplation and initiative.
Considering you show yourself to be a highly indoctrinated, maybe even brainwashed individual (not claiming I'm any better, just on the other side of the fence) it's a bit rich conflating such things with a worldview that you cannot tolerate or understand. Constant digs at Gript, Joe Rogan, 'MAGA' (it's a slogan you've been persuaded to accept is some quasi-ideology) illuminate this.
I view education in very broad terms, in fact I've just said to astfgyl that unfortunately most schools and universities don't provide what I would consider a proper education. The lion's share of my own early education came from my uncle who as far as I know never went beyond primary school.
I'm not even going to enter into a tennis game of "I'm not indoctrinated you're indoctrinated," but I say MAGA for the pragmatic purpose of distinguishing it from the GOP as a whole, a distinction I think is worth making.
Fair play in that case.
Both sides engage in gaslighting, indoctrination, brainwashing and discouraging critical thinking. It's naive to believe the contrarian position to your own has a monopoly on it.
I personally despise the teachings of Karl Marx and every word written by the Frankfurt school but they were all beautifully persuasive, intelligent men, you'd have a few pints with a them. Take a leaf out of Sun Tsu's 'buuke'. Know your enemy as yourself.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 26, 2024, 05:10:49 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 26, 2024, 04:58:54 PMhttps://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2024/10/heavy-metal-star-breaks-silence-after-sentencing-for-jan-6-role.html
Lol the state of the apology. I wonder what made him sorry
I just can't get my head around that many people being told an election was stolen and believed it so much they went to march on the capitol. When there wasn't the first shred of evidence of a steal. Orange man said it. It must be true. That's just cult behaviour. Normal conservatives must be aghast as to what's happened to its party.
There were a few things that looked dicey about that election but nothing that couldn't have been done equally when trump got in. I'm surprised that nothing much has been done to tighten it up in the intervening 4 years though to make sure those accusations couldn't be made again. Who the fuck wants every election questioned like that, which it will be whoever wins because I remember well the Democrats saying things like that in 2016 as well and it's something that could be easily addressed but there doesn't seem to be the will to enforce something as simple as voter id. I mean we have it here and the list of things is pretty exhaustive so nobody is excluded like it doesn't even have to be picture id, but we never hear any accusations of cheating all the same as much as I disagree with the winning candidates. Also we have hand counted ballots so nobody can say a machine was tampered. Can't understand why the yanks just won't do it
I thought I'd been pretty clear I was talking in degrees rather than monopolies of good vs evil, but maybe I should have just given my perspective as a slogan: DNC bad, MAGA worse :)
I dunno if maga is any worse than the others. It has a certain image that I can see why people wouldn't like it but if we had candidates here that said they would make Ireland great I think that would be attractive because of the economic situation and that's likely the same in the US.
I'm always saying it, the reason people are so pissed off in general is because money is tight lately and all the other stuff like immigration and trans and whatever else contentious we can think of would all simply fade away if we felt prosperous. Nobody gave a fuck about any of this stuff during the celtic tiger
Quote from: astfgyl on October 26, 2024, 06:20:08 PMI dunno if maga is any worse than the others.
Depends on the issue. Foreign policy and economy they're are all the same. Trying to police women's bodies. They're a bit apart on that one. That's a silent vote that actually could decide the election.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 27, 2024, 12:04:41 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 26, 2024, 06:20:08 PMI dunno if maga is any worse than the others.
Depends on the issue. Foreign policy and economy they're are all the same. Trying to police women's bodies. They're a bit apart on that one. That's a silent vote that actually could decide the election.
This isn't my own idea but I heard it lately and it got me thinking because I am all for women making their own choice about what their bodies and I am fully aware that I could never understand that choice because I'm not a woman.
Anyway, here's the question:
Would you agree with a pregnant woman smoking crack?
Yes it's a fairly jarring example but would you agree or not?
The real question would be:
Would you agree there should be a specific law for pregnant women who smoke crack, different to the one that applies to everyone else?
All American politicians are cunts, bought and sold long before we ever heard of them. Arguing about who's gonna be 'better' than the other is fucking pathetic.
For fuck's sake grow up you bunch of cunts. All you're doing is embarrassing youreslves by arguing which crook is 'better' or 'worse' than the other.
You're jokes.
Quote from: Ollkiller on October 27, 2024, 12:04:41 AMQuote from: astfgyl on October 26, 2024, 06:20:08 PMI dunno if maga is any worse than the others.
Depends on the issue. Foreign policy and economy they're are all the same. Trying to police women's bodies. They're a bit apart on that one. That's a silent vote that actually could decide the election.
'The trying to police women's bodies' is a philosophical position. One could also call it murder of the most vulnerable humans, love your neighbour as yourself etc. Anyway, Trump has already said there is no chance of a countrywide ban on abortion so it'd be ignorance on the part of voters to go one way or the other on that issue.
Quote from: Carnage on October 27, 2024, 01:00:51 AMAll American politicians are cunts, bought and sold long before we ever heard of them. Arguing about who's gonna be 'better' than the other is fucking pathetic.
For fuck's sake grow up you bunch of cunts. All you're doing is embarrassing youreslves by arguing which crook is 'better' or 'worse' than the other.
You're jokes.
Ah it passes the time :)
Quote from: Carnage on October 27, 2024, 01:00:51 AMAll American politicians are cunts, bought and sold long before we ever heard of them. Arguing about who's gonna be 'better' than the other is fucking pathetic.
Think that sums it up really, 350 million or thereabouts in the US and those two are the choices. What a shitshow of a country
Quote from: Trev on October 27, 2024, 08:06:10 AMQuote from: Carnage on October 27, 2024, 01:00:51 AMAll American politicians are cunts, bought and sold long before we ever heard of them. Arguing about who's gonna be 'better' than the other is fucking pathetic.
Think that sums it up really, 350 million or thereabouts in the US and those two are the choices. What a shitshow of a country
Things are a lot worse here at least in the US they have two candidates who have opposing views on almost everything. Here any of the parties that have the potential of winning an election all want to keep things going in the same direction they are currently heading in which we all know is not good.
Quote from: Carnage on October 27, 2024, 01:00:51 AMAll American politicians are cunts, bought and sold long before we ever heard of them. Arguing about who's gonna be 'better' than the other is fucking pathetic.
For fuck's sake grow up you bunch of cunts. All you're doing is embarrassing youreslves by arguing which crook is 'better' or 'worse' than the other.
You're jokes.
I don't think this 1am post was the result of 0° beers :P :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 27, 2024, 01:38:04 AMThe real question would be:
Would you agree there should be a specific law for pregnant women who smoke crack, different to the one that applies to everyone else?
Touché! I didn't think of that
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 27, 2024, 03:19:10 PMI don't think this 1am post was the result of 0° beers :P :laugh:
Guilty. Still though...
Quote from: Carnage on October 27, 2024, 05:35:02 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 27, 2024, 03:19:10 PMI don't think this 1am post was the result of 0° beers :P :laugh:
Guilty. Still though...
Both points are valid here lol
"I want a US President who I can entirely forget about for days at a time."
Another way of framing things.
Well they have a sitting president who can forget about entire days at a time so they're not too far off
Zing! :laugh:
Stop the paedophiles.
Last night's Madison Square Garden MAGA rally has been something else.
You can watch Tucker Carlson here and laugh at his "jokes" about Harris, but read between the lines and what's there is bald preparation for chaos that will make January 6th look as inconsequential as the denialists like to claim it was. In short, he's saying that if she wins, there is no other possible explanation but fraud:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1850655952896463248
So if Trump wins, we'll have a smooth transition of power and then, imo, disaster. But if Harris wins, it looks like it's going to be MAGA-instigated chaos from day one and then... all bets are off. Interesting times in store.
How it has been allowed to descend into such a mire is perplexing. I don't know how you control it but you would assume there would be certain rules attached to running for office- dos and donts that an applicant would be legally obliged to adhere to to prevent this kind of stupidity. Maybe they need to introduce it if it doesn't exist. Maybe they just assumed you would have relatively sane people applying for the job, or at least high functioning psychopaths who can pretend not to be complete lunatics.
This will show those pesky immigrants!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 10:09:15 AMGood point about Whoopi Goldberg and those other harpies loving him when he was just a media personality and turning on him utterly as soon as he got into (the wrong) politics.
Only posting this because you decided to take him at his word on it and call it a "good point", but Whoopi came back on this "with receipts", as they say:
https://x.com/TheView/status/1850924902376751504
37.5 million views on the Trump / Rogan podcast even with youtube / google doing all they can to stop people from finding it.
Still a small chance that Harris may do the podcast but I don't see it happening since it will do her more harm than good.
She's offered a one hour remote show as an alternative. I can only judge her from what clips I see online and the telly, and she seems to be a charisma wasteland, everything scripted, painfully fake and stage managed.
If she just spraffed away for a few hours with Joe as herself without all the bullshit and fake laughing she could win people over. Her handlers won't allow it though.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 28, 2024, 05:33:19 AMHow it has been allowed to descend into such a mire is perplexing. I don't know how you control it but you would assume there would be certain rules attached to running for office- dos and donts that an applicant would be legally obliged to adhere to to prevent this kind of stupidity. Maybe they need to introduce it if it doesn't exist. Maybe they just assumed you would have relatively sane people applying for the job, or at least high functioning psychopaths who can pretend not to be complete lunatics.
Would be nice but how would you even enforce it? It'd be all interpretation and the freedom denialists would be up in arms constantly. There's no such thing as common sense anymore, black and white or nothing. It's why loophole lawyers exist now, they've evolved into an even higher form of scumbag, if that was possible.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 29, 2024, 10:50:23 AMQuote from: Caomhaoin on October 26, 2024, 10:09:15 AMGood point about Whoopi Goldberg and those other harpies loving him when he was just a media personality and turning on him utterly as soon as he got into (the wrong) politics.
Only posting this because you decided to take him at his word on it and call it a "good point", but Whoopi came back on this "with receipts", as they say:
https://x.com/TheView/status/1850924902376751504
Did the receipt mention that they were fawning over him to the usual forced rapturous audience reception?
Huh?
Quote from: mickO))) on October 29, 2024, 03:24:05 PM37.5 million views on the Trump / Rogan podcast even with youtube / google doing all they can to stop people from finding it.
Rogan Trump interview
Top result in both youtube and google videos with that is the full thing. This obsession with claiming censorship...
Jesus H christ it was censored up until today when i guess they reversed it due to the flack. I know this as i tried it. Fucking insufferable clown.
I'm not going to apologize for dealing with reality rather than fabrication or guess-work:
QuoteAfter being first posted, Rogan said his team delisted the video from YouTube, meaning it was no longer visible, to fix what Rogan described as a "glitch" in the uploading process across his social media accounts; he later made the episode available, saying on Oct. 25, "there is no issue with YouTube censoring the Trump episode."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenpastis/2024/10/29/joe-rogan-says-trump-interview-faced-issue-with-youtube-search-heres-what-we-know/
If you want to know what actual censorship looks like, you could take Bezos gagging the editorial team of the Washington Post and preventing them from publishing their planned endorsement:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/10/25/ex-editor-baron-decries-disturbing-spinelessness-of-washington-post-not-endorsing-for-president/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 29, 2024, 07:14:33 PMQuote from: mickO))) on October 29, 2024, 03:24:05 PM37.5 million views on the Trump / Rogan podcast even with youtube / google doing all they can to stop people from finding it.
Rogan Trump interview
Top result in both youtube and google videos with that is the full thing. This obsession with claiming censorship...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I was wondering when you would jump in. Take a look at the comments on the video and look at Rogans own social media. Searched for it myself yesterday, all that was coming up was clips and not the actual interview. But yeah the MSM haven't reported on it yet so it's just another far right conspiracy theory.
I just gave you a link of the MSM (Forbes) reporting on it.
And here's a comment posted within less than 2 hours of Rogan's initial post showing that it was already working again:
https://x.com/TheKiffness/status/1851143556397748452
All very far from solid evidence that they wanted to censor it and only rolled back their efforts when... what? They were "caught out"?
Sounds very like Musk is preparing damage control already to make sure his dupe disciples stay duped even if/when the bullshit hits the fan:
Quote"We have to reduce spending to live within our means. And that necessarily involves some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long-term prosperity," [the world's richest man] stated in the call
https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-ally-elon-musk-warns-of-necessary-economic-collapse-if-trump-elected
I searched for the video myself yesterday after reading about it and all that came up was 3 - 4 snippets from the podcast then a load of other videos about Trump. Even when I watched it the other day I had to go into one of Rogans other videos to get a link to his channel to find it.
A temporary glitch is a glitch. Censorship is censorship. To prove a glitch is the result of intentional censorship, evidence is needed. There is no such evidence. That lack of solid evidence might be good enough for you and Musk, it wouldn't be enough for me.
Funny I watch the podcast regularly and never experienced this 'temporary glitch' before. It didn't seem to affect anything else I watched on youtube over the weekend either. Odd that it just seems to have happened on this particular video.
What do you reckon their plan was? Intentionally limit visibility of the most hotly anticipated and widely talked about YT video of the week and just hope no one noticed?
There was no plan it was just a temporary glitch.
:laugh:
Either way, YT are laughing: already one of the most viral videos of all time, tis all good for them!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 29, 2024, 07:28:25 PMIf you want to know what actual censorship looks like, you could take Bezos gagging the editorial team of the Washington Post and preventing them from publishing their planned endorsement:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/10/25/ex-editor-baron-decries-disturbing-spinelessness-of-washington-post-not-endorsing-for-president/
Here is what Bezos apparently has to say about it:
Quote"Most people believe the media is biased. Anyone who doesn't see this is paying scant attention to reality, and those who fight reality lose. Reality is an undefeated champion."
"It would be easy to blame others for our long and continuing fall in credibility (and, therefore, decline in impact), but a victim mentality will not help. Complaining is not a strategy. We must work harder to control what we can control to increase our credibility."
"Presidential endorsements do nothing to tip the scales of an election. No undecided voters in Pennsylvania are going to say, "I'm going with Newspaper A's endorsement." None. What presidential endorsements actually do is create a perception of bias. A perception of non-independence. Ending them is a principled decision, and it's the right one."
"Lack of credibility isn't unique to The Post. Our brethren newspapers have the same issue. And it's a problem not only for media, but also for the nation."
"Many people are turning to off-the-cuff podcasts, inaccurate social media posts and other unverified news sources, which can quickly spread misinformation and deepen divisions."
"While I do not and will not push my personal interest, I will also not allow this paper to stay on autopilot and fade into irrelevance — overtaken by unresearched podcasts and social media barbs — not without a fight. It's too important. The stakes are too high."
"Now more than ever the world needs a credible, trusted, independent voice, and where better for that voice to originate than the capital city of the most important country in the world? To win this fight, we will have to exercise new muscles."
"Some changes will be a return to the past, and some will be new inventions. Criticism will be part and parcel of anything new, of course. This is the way of the world. None of this will be easy, but it will be worth it. I am so grateful to be part of this endeavor. Many of the finest journalists you'll find anywhere work at The Washington Post, and they work painstakingly every day to get to the truth. They deserve to be believed."
The owners of Youtube are the largest donors to the Harris campaign if what I've read is right.
At the same time, both Raytheon and Lockheed Martin are on the list of Trump campaign donors, which is rather telling as well.
Who do you mean by the owners of YT? (genuine question)
I know Soros, Gates, and Bloomberg are among the top donors to the Harris campaign.
Alphabet, the parent company.
Edit: I didn't even know about the other three but it's unsurprising:
Gates would want to donate to the candidate who won't promote vaccine skepticism (due to link with RFK, certainly not because of anything Operation Warp Speed Trump would do).
Soros would want to donate to the candidate who won't promote the idea that he is the devil trying to destroy western society. (Due to link with Musk, who has been trying to push that idea publicly for some time, and I don't know if trump ever said anything to that effect).
Dunno about Bloomberg I haven't seen anything about that but the other two would have self preservation reasons to be pushing the Harris campaign for sure.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 28, 2024, 04:18:13 AMIn short, he's saying that if she wins, there is no other possible explanation but fraud:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1850655952896463248
So if Trump wins, we'll have a smooth transition of power and then, imo, disaster. But if Harris wins, it looks like it's going to be MAGA-instigated chaos from day one and then... all bets are off. Interesting times in store.
A spate of activities seemingly aimed at preempting cause for undermining the voting system, burning of ballot boxes and stuff like this:
https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/this-is-political-bullst-former-republican-candidate-charged-with-stealing-madison-county-election-ballots/
"The cheating has begun."
Did anyone actually listen to the Rogan interview? I put it on the other day out of curiosity and had to turn it off after 10 mins. I don't have any particular interest in the topic either way but it's a fairly depressing indictment on the state of America overall.
Genuinely bewildered by the whole thing. Does anyone here live in the States or lived there for any period of time? I've never actually been. Are the Yanks really that fucked up?
Slightly unrelated perhaps but I was watching The Last Leg on channel 4 last night for the first time in years. Was quite a big fan of it a while ago but it started becoming quite smug and preachy which put me off.
Bloody hell, for a UK programme it seemed to have become a strong mouthpiece in promoting Kamala Harris (I imagine next to zero people eligible to vote were watching).
Pretty much made out it would be the end of the world if evil super villian trump who is Hitler reincarnated wins and that everyone should vote for Harris who is nicer and kinder than Jesus.
Be funny to see them lose their shit if Trump wins next week....
Thanks, 'The Guardian', for giving me a genuinely new experience - a well written, not retarded, limp wristed or sneeringly biased article from above publication
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/01/us-presidential-election-donald-trump-kamala-harris-winner
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 02, 2024, 07:21:44 PMThanks, 'The Guardian', for giving me a genuinely new experience - a well written, not retarded, limp wristed or sneeringly biased article from above publication
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/01/us-presidential-election-donald-trump-kamala-harris-winner
Still in all he had to mention the idea that the US may not be ready to have a black female president.
Is there one running? Are Indians black?
Maybe they're not ready to have a cackling fool who can't speak without a teleprompter, or someone who is representative of the last few years all over again. Maybe it's looking good for Trump because the other crowd ran about the only candidate who actually gives him a chance of winning. Even Biden won against him ffs. Harris still may win, I wouldn't rule that out at all but the Democrats could have actually made it very easy on themselves and they didn't.
And whoever loses will say the other side cheated, that's a guarantee.
Also, RIP to Peanut, the new poster squirrel of the far right.
They have to say black woman so they can break that 'glass ceiling'.
Apparently defence lawyers in California would high five each other if Kamala was the opposing prosecutor. Ha ha.
Is there more or less evidence for that claim than the claim that Trump wears adult nappies because he regularly shits himself? :)
Meanwhile, verbatim transcript from North Carolina yesterday:
QuoteWhen I say insane asylums, and then I say, Doctor Hannibal Lecter, does anybody know? They go crazy. They say, oh, he brings up these names out of— Well, that's genius. Right. Doctor Hannibal Lecter. There's nobody worse than him. Silence of the Lambs. Who the hell else would even remember that? I have a great memory, but they always hit me. I don't bring it up too much because they have to take such a— he brought up Hannibal Lecter. What does that have to do with this? What is it? It has everything to do with it, right? He was... So I've done something for you for you that I haven't done in 20 speeches. I brought up Doctor Hannibal Lecter and we're allowing him, you watch, you watch these fake people will say again, he brought up Hannibal Lecter has absolutely nothing to do. You know I do the weave, right? The weave. It's genius. You bring up Hannibal Lecter, you mention insane asylum. Hannibal Lecter. You go out, no. There'll be a time in life where the weave won't finish properly at the bottom and then we can talk. But right now it's pure genius. Hey, I have an uncle, my uncle, Uncle John, my father's brother, 41 years at MIT, longest serving professor has so many degrees, he didn't know what the hell to do with them all in the most complicated. I understand a lot of this stuff, you know, I believe in that. Like, I mean, Jack Nicklaus is not gonna produce a bad golfer. Right. You know, that's the way it works. It's just one of those things and it's in the family and it's whatever.
That slogan again, real simple: DNC bad, MAGA worse. Harris bad, Trump worse. Unless you're being cynical or have torpedoed your brain, I don't see where there is any objective disagreement to be had.
Your attitude is symptomatic of the modern left - anyone who disagrees with me is x, y or z.
In other words, you don't see where there is any objective disagreement to be had either?
That Harris is worse than Trump? Or vice versa? There is no objective.
Ye were making a big deal about Harris' poor answers in her recent CNN interview. Grand. Now show me where she has objectively expressed herself worse, less coherently, than the above passage from Trump (which is only one example among many)? Passing off Trump's cognitively worrying nonsense as "just him bullshitting" won't cut it, because that's giving him a get out of jail free card where you don't give her similar. I'm not giving Harris any get out of jail free cards. Fair enough I'm not going in for nonsense like questioning the ethnicity of her Jamaican father, but that shite is only revelatory of your propaganda sensitivities not mine (and is also typical of the kind of thing that distinguishes between MAGA and the GOP of yore, like when McCain rebuked Trump for questioning Obama's birth certificate back in the day, etc.).
Him being shit doesn't do anything to make her any better.
She's a joke of a candidate.
He's a joke of a candidate.
His jokes are funnier than hers.
She doesn't have any jokes.
That's about the strength of it, if the objective is calling them out for talking shite.
You haven't a leg to stand on by saying she is objectively better in any way other than I suppose I'd give her the jump quicker than I would him, but even that's closer ran than it should be
I think he's objectively worse in much the same way that someone who shits themself is objectively worse to have to deal with than someone who pisses themself :)
Throw up a verbatim transcript of the most incoherent thing she's ever come out with there and we can ask a text analyzer to compare.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 03, 2024, 02:39:52 PMI think he's objectively worse in much the same way that someone who shits themself is objectively worse to have to deal with than someone who pisses themself :)
Throw up a verbatim transcript of the most incoherent thing she's ever come out with there and we can ask a text analyzer to compare.
Ah lad, you're on a hiding to nothing with this one. There are so many to choose from.
Here, have this for starters while I go get more:
QuoteI love Venn diagrams. I really do, I love Venn diagrams. It's just something about those three circles and the analysis about where there is the intersection, right?
QuoteThe governor and I, we were all doing a tour of the library here and talking about the significance of the passage of time, right, the significance of the passage of time. So, when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time in terms of what we need to do to lay these wires. What we need to do to create these jobs. And there is such great significance to the passage of time when we think about a day in the life of our children
There's an endless amount of it. Let me know if you want any more but seriously you've picked the most incoherent candidate since Biden to throw your weight behind. :laugh:
Okay, if there's an endless amount of it then it needs to be a passage of speech
comparable to the one from Trump above, i.e. similar in length and also a single block, not various fragments pieced together.
I'll give you the analysis of Trump's passage from yesterday as a spoiler:
QuoteQuestion: Can you evaluate the coherency of the following passage of text?
Answer: This passage is quite disjointed and lacks clear coherence. Here are some points to consider:
Topic Shifts: The speaker jumps between topics without clear transitions. They start with insane asylums and Hannibal Lecter, then shift to personal anecdotes about their uncle and Jack Nicklaus without connecting these ideas.
Repetition: There are several instances of repetition, such as "I brought up Doctor Hannibal Lecter" and "you watch, you watch these fake people."
Incomplete Thoughts: Some sentences trail off or are incomplete, making it hard to follow the speaker's train of thought.
Lack of Clear Argument: The passage doesn't present a clear argument or point. It feels more like a stream of consciousness than a structured speech or essay.
Overall, the passage would benefit from clearer transitions, more focused content, and a stronger structure to improve coherence.
Question: If you had to rate its coherency out of 10, what would you give it?
Answer: I'd give it a 3 out of 10. The passage is quite disjointed, with abrupt topic shifts and incomplete thoughts, making it hard to follow. It lacks a clear argument or structure, which significantly impacts its coherence.
Question: If we assume a person who spoke this passage was aiming to be coherent, might its lack of actual coherence give us any clues about their cognitive state?
Answer: Absolutely. If someone intended to be coherent but produced a passage like this, it could suggest several things about their cognitive state:
Stress or Anxiety: High stress levels can cause disjointed thinking and difficulty maintaining a coherent train of thought.
Fatigue: Being overly tired can impair cognitive function, leading to rambling or incoherent speech.
Neurological Issues: Conditions like dementia, ADHD, or even a mild cognitive impairment can affect one's ability to organize thoughts coherently.
Substance Influence: The influence of alcohol or drugs can also lead to disorganized speech patterns.
Of course, these are just possibilities and not definitive conclusions.
One I found as an example of something derided in the MAGA media (New York Post, etc.) as a "word salad" is this passage from September this year (https://nypost.com/2024/09/14/us-news/kamala-harris-served-word-salad-in-abc-interview-critics/), but feel free to provide your own (analysis below):
QuoteWell, I'll start with this. I grew up a middle-class kid. My mother raised my sister and me. She worked very hard. She was able to finally save up enough money to buy our first house when I was a teenager. I grew up in a community of hardworking people, you know, construction workers and nurses and teachers, and I try to explain to some people who may not have had the same experience, you know, if -- but a lot of people will relate to this. You know, I grew up in a neighborhood of folks who were very proud of their lawn, you know, and -- and I was raised to believe and to know that all people deserve dignity and that we, as Americans, have a beautiful character. You know, we have ambitions and aspirations and dreams, but not everyone necessarily has access to the resources that can help them fuel those dreams and ambitions. So, when I talk about building an opportunity economy, it is very much with the mind of investing in the ambitions and aspirations and the -- and the incredible work ethic of the American people and creating opportunity for people, for example, to start a small business. My mother, you know, worked long hours, and our neighbor helped raise us. We used to call her -- I still call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small business owners. I learned who they are from my childhood. And she was a community leader. She hired locally. She mentored. Our small businesses are so much a part of the fabric of our communities, not to mention, really, I think the backbone of America's economy. So, my opportunity economy plan includes giving startups a $50,000 tax deduction to start their small business. It used to be $5,000. Nobody can start a small business with $5,000. But investing in people's innovative ideas and giving them the ability to go for it. Opportunity economy means, look, we don't have enough housing in America. We have a housing supply shortage. And what that means, in particular, for so many younger Americans, the American dream is elusive. It's just actually not attainable. So, part of my plan is to work with the private sector and housing developers to give them a tax credit to be able to partner with us as the government to build, and my goal is 3 million new homes by the end of my first term. In addition, to help people who just want to get their foot in the door literally. And so, giving first-time homebuyers a $25,000 down payment assistance to be able to just get in the door, and then they will do the work that they need to do to save and to pay that mortgage and to build wealth for themselves and their family. These are some examples of what I mean when I talk about an opportunity economy, and a lot of it has to do with just the community I was raised in and the people that I -- you know, I admired who work hard, you know, and deserve to have, you know, their dreams fulfilled because they're prepared to work for it.
Analysis:
QuoteQuestion: Can you evaluate the coherency of the following passage of text?
Answer:
Topic Shifts: The speaker maintains a consistent theme throughout the passage, focusing on their personal background, the concept of an opportunity economy, and specific policy proposals. The transitions between personal anecdotes and policy points are smooth and logical.
Repetition: There is some repetition, particularly with phrases like "you know" and "opportunity economy." However, this repetition serves to emphasize key points and maintain a conversational tone, rather than detracting from coherence.
Clear Argument: The passage presents a clear argument. The speaker connects their personal experiences with broader policy proposals, explaining how their background informs their views on economic opportunity and small business support. The argument is well-structured and easy to follow.
Question: If you had to rate its coherency out of 10, what would you give it?
Answer: I'd rate this passage a 7 out of 10 for coherency. It effectively communicates the speaker's message, though it could benefit from slightly less repetition and more varied phrasing.
Question: If we assume a person who spoke this passage was aiming to be coherent, might its lack of actual coherence give us any clues about their cognitive state?
Answer: If the speaker intended to be coherent, the passage suggests a well-organized and focused cognitive state. The clear structure and logical flow indicate that the speaker is articulate and capable of connecting personal experiences with broader policy ideas. The repetition of certain phrases might indicate a conversational style rather than cognitive impairment.
Sweet fucking Jesus you just picked an entirely different quote to either of the two I've posted and ran with that instead of just accepting the fact she is a constant shit talker.
Why don't I go find examples of the other lad being coherent and run those through the analysis like? That's ridiculous.
What did you make of the CNN piece where Harris is running different ads with different stances on Israel and Palestine depending on how many Muslims live in one state or the other? So not only is she talking absolute ring constantly, but it's two faced ring at the same time. CNN, no less!!
And you can find all the examples in the world of the other lad being a two faced cunt it still won't make her good
I did first try to find fuller passages that include either of the two examples you gave, but came up with nothing. And I invited you to find and share a similar length passage of speech from her of your choosing. While I was waiting, I went with the first long passage I could find which had been described as a "word salad" by Trump's supporters.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 03, 2024, 03:48:43 PMWhy don't I go find examples of the other lad being coherent and run those through the analysis like?
Good luck finding his coherent examples.
He was crystal clear here imo
"I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
Just saw Michael wolff released his audio tapes interviewing Jeffrey Epstein where he talks about being Trumps best friend for 10 years.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 03, 2024, 05:27:03 PMQuote from: astfgyl on November 03, 2024, 03:48:43 PMWhy don't I go find examples of the other lad being coherent and run those through the analysis like?
Good luck finding his coherent examples.
Funny as that is, you know exactly what I meant. Let's not be too pedantic about which candidate is the greater retard
Quote from: pete on November 03, 2024, 05:44:07 PMHe was crystal clear here imo
"I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
Thank god being an absolute wanker makes the other candidate less incoherent!!
You should run that through the Black Shepherd coherency analysis tool.
Be careful though...
Sometimes the answer is that the questioner is the tool
Quote from: astfgyl on November 03, 2024, 07:08:44 PMBe careful though...
Sometimes the answer is that the questioner is the tool
Its been a long day, what's this mean?
Seems like a Trump quote
It's actually a Harris quote
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 03, 2024, 06:41:29 PMJust saw Michael wolff released his audio tapes interviewing Jeffrey Epstein where he talks about being Trumps best friend for 10 years.
:laugh: And after all they have thrown at him even in just the last year they sat on this and didn't try to use it against him? If they had anything on Trump and Epstein it would have been revealed long ago.
...unless it can't be revealed without spilling over on to certain others (say, the Clintons) :)
I think they could very easily spin that as they have done with other things in the past because something like being properly involved with Epstein is one of the few things that would easily turn everyone against him.
A house of cards is a house of cards, and if the likes of Clinton, Dershowitz, Gates, etc., are at risk of tumbling then that is not a tablecloth they'll be willing to have anyone pull on, even if it meant bringing down Trump. Apart from Prince Andrew, have any other cases been properly looked into? Not so far as I know.
Quote from: mickO))) on November 04, 2024, 03:44:45 PMI think they could very easily spin that as they have done with other things in the past because something like being properly involved with Epstein is one of the few things that would easily turn everyone against him.
Well in the released tapes epstein talks about trump being his best friend for 10 years. Is that properly involved?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 03, 2024, 02:39:52 PMI think he's objectively worse in much the same way that someone who shits themself is objectively worse to have to deal with than someone who pisses themself :)
Throw up a verbatim transcript of the most incoherent thing she's ever come out with there and we can ask a text analyzer to compare.
I'm sure you already know this, and I do think your contesting with the pro-Trumpers is really valuable on here, but overall it's not really about Trump or Harris for them. I doubt that realistically they give even the remotest shit about Trump, and even less about Harris. They're merely avatars for what they represent (similar to when it was Trudeau they all hated and suddenly Canadian politics and policy was important to them). People tend to react to their values being tested or challenged. Their core values. Analyzing text is a hiding to nothing. It's obvious Trump is a loon, but if he represents people's values then they'll support him no matter what he does, as we've seen over the last 8yrs. The more uncomfortable discussion would be
why do you support Trump. And nothing to do with American politics. Is it because of your issues with immigrants? Do you oppose feminism etc etc. There are much more uncomfortable but useful conversations to be had. Even if just with themselves.
If I manage to communicate that any piece of speech which stays on one topic--no matter how otherwise simplistic or repetitive--can never be objectively considered more incoherent than a piece of speech which staggers from topic to topic with no logical connections (while also being simplistic and repetitive)... then I'll have accomplished something :P
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 04, 2024, 04:42:17 PMA house of cards is a house of cards, and if the likes of Clinton, Dershowitz, Gates, etc., are at risk of tumbling then that is not a tablecloth they'll be willing to have anyone pull on, even if it meant bringing down Trump. Apart from Prince Andrew, have any other cases been properly looked into? Not so far as I know.
Andrew wasn't even looked into properly what was it he got a fine or something that his Mammy paid off for him. Then you have everything that went on during the Maxwell trial and her being convicted of trafficking to nobody.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2024, 04:50:38 PMQuote from: mickO))) on November 04, 2024, 03:44:45 PMI think they could very easily spin that as they have done with other things in the past because something like being properly involved with Epstein is one of the few things that would easily turn everyone against him.
Well in the released tapes epstein talks about trump being his best friend for 10 years. Is that properly involved?
When was the interview from before or after Epstein was arrested? Did he mention the Clintons or Bush in the tapes? I have seen the paintings he had hanging in his house of Bill Clinton and George Bush or was it just specifically Trump that was mentioned? Also I can't remember exactly what as it has been so long since I looked at any of the Epstein stuff but didn't Trump have some part to play in Epstein originally being caught? Just seems like perfect timing for this news to come out a few days before the election especially given how Wolff feels about Trump.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 04, 2024, 05:49:20 PMstaggers from topic to topic
Deadly: as a bonus I've now gotten this stuck in my own head for the first time in years :laugh:
Moving from topic to topic... quite hypnotic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo
Quote from: mickO))) on November 04, 2024, 05:56:31 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 04, 2024, 04:42:17 PMA house of cards is a house of cards, and if the likes of Clinton, Dershowitz, Gates, etc., are at risk of tumbling then that is not a tablecloth they'll be willing to have anyone pull on, even if it meant bringing down Trump. Apart from Prince Andrew, have any other cases been properly looked into? Not so far as I know.
Andrew wasn't even looked into properly what was it he got a fine or something that his Mammy paid off for him. Then you have everything that went on during the Maxwell trial and her being convicted of trafficking to nobody.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 04, 2024, 04:50:38 PMQuote from: mickO))) on November 04, 2024, 03:44:45 PMI think they could very easily spin that as they have done with other things in the past because something like being properly involved with Epstein is one of the few things that would easily turn everyone against him.
Well in the released tapes epstein talks about trump being his best friend for 10 years. Is that properly involved?
When was the interview from before or after Epstein was arrested? Did he mention the Clintons or Bush in the tapes? I have seen the paintings he had hanging in his house of Bill Clinton and George Bush or was it just specifically Trump that was mentioned? Also I can't remember exactly what as it has been so long since I looked at any of the Epstein stuff but didn't Trump have some part to play in Epstein originally being caught? Just seems like perfect timing for this news to come out a few days before the election especially given how Wolff feels about Trump.
Interview was dome 2 years ago so I presume after epstein was arrested. Not sure on that tbh. It was conducted by Andrew wolff who was writing a book about trump so the interview is about epsteins relationship with trump.
Quote from: Mooncat on November 04, 2024, 05:00:53 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 03, 2024, 02:39:52 PMI think he's objectively worse in much the same way that someone who shits themself is objectively worse to have to deal with than someone who pisses themself :)
Throw up a verbatim transcript of the most incoherent thing she's ever come out with there and we can ask a text analyzer to compare.
I'm sure you already know this, and I do think your contesting with the pro-Trumpers is really valuable on here, but overall it's not really about Trump or Harris for them. I doubt that realistically they give even the remotest shit about Trump, and even less about Harris. They're merely avatars for what they represent (similar to when it was Trudeau they all hated and suddenly Canadian politics and policy was important to them). People tend to react to their values being tested or challenged. Their core values. Analyzing text is a hiding to nothing. It's obvious Trump is a loon, but if he represents people's values then they'll support him no matter what he does, as we've seen over the last 8yrs. The more uncomfortable discussion would be why do you support Trump. And nothing to do with American politics. Is it because of your issues with immigrants? Do you oppose feminism etc etc. There are much more uncomfortable but useful conversations to be had. Even if just with themselves.
You're bang on the money. It is totally related to values. And it's to an extent an urban/rural divide.
Quote from: Mooncat on November 04, 2024, 05:00:53 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 03, 2024, 02:39:52 PMI think he's objectively worse in much the same way that someone who shits themself is objectively worse to have to deal with than someone who pisses themself :)
Throw up a verbatim transcript of the most incoherent thing she's ever come out with there and we can ask a text analyzer to compare.
I'm sure you already know this, and I do think your contesting with the pro-Trumpers is really valuable on here, but overall it's not really about Trump or Harris for them. I doubt that realistically they give even the remotest shit about Trump, and even less about Harris. They're merely avatars for what they represent (similar to when it was Trudeau they all hated and suddenly Canadian politics and policy was important to them). People tend to react to their values being tested or challenged. Their core values. Analyzing text is a hiding to nothing. It's obvious Trump is a loon, but if he represents people's values then they'll support him no matter what he does, as we've seen over the last 8yrs. The more uncomfortable discussion would be why do you support Trump. And nothing to do with American politics. Is it because of your issues with immigrants? Do you oppose feminism etc etc. There are much more uncomfortable but useful conversations to be had. Even if just with themselves.
That's an intelligent post.
I don't agree that Trump is a 'loon' and people wouldn't vote for him no matter what (he's clearly been the victim of a witch-hunt and his supporters (and deep down his opponents)simply don't believe the shit-slinging) but you make a good point about the avatar.
For me it boils down to resisting or accepting globalism and all that that entails. Trump appears to offer respite from it, just like Farage, Tommy Robinson, Le Pen, AfD etc etc etc do. Whether or not they'll have any success is another question.
I'm resigned to the globalists winning in the end, because right and left worldwide have become so loathsome and retarded in the contrarian view that common ground is about as likely as Harris and Trump doing a Brezhnev style smooch at the concession ceremony. Just look at myself and Chris, Ollkiller Mickooo)) and the fella from Tipp with the name from typing class in first year - probably have a great laugh down the boozer if we didn't know each others 'leanings' on here...
Ah I think when we're shooting the breeze here about our leanings it comes across as far more confrontational than it would in a real life conversation and there's nobody on the board here I wouldn't have a pint with because of their political stance. It's never like social media out there in the real world thank fuck.
Even the odd bit of smartarsery here sounds kinda vicious when it would be said with a laugh in the pub, just an oul bitta craic.
And yeah, Mooncat has hit the nail on the head here about Trump and Harris. I'm not a supporter of either but what the Republicans are telling their lies about seems to align more with my general vibe. I wouldn't be as extremely for or against as that sounds either. I'm a centrist, which happen by a shift to a more conservative viewpoint as I aged, coming from a far more left leaning position
Aye the online world ain't the real world. If we were all in the boozer it'd be a rager of a night.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 04, 2024, 06:14:54 PMFor me it boils down to resisting or accepting globalism and all that that entails. Trump appears to offer respite from it, just like Farage, Tommy Robinson, Le Pen, AfD etc etc etc do.
That's an unfinished thought though: if your turn-tos for "resistance to globalism" are Trump, Farage, Le Pen, AfD, etc., then what it really boils down to is "globalism bad, global imperialism good." I don't think neoliberal globalism is good; I tend to think global imperialism is worse, but I'm more than willing to say it's much of a muchness, especially if that entails better organization of resistance to
both. It's as plain as the nose on your face that the likes of Trump, Farage and Le Pen lie through their teeth about representing the common man when, for example, in France the Front National consistently vote against taxing the super rich (i.e. the masterminds and primary benefactors of global imperialism, in France your Bernard Arnaults, Vincent Bollorés [the French Murdoch], etc.) and vote against raising the minimum wage, etc., instead choosing the tactic of pointing at the brown people big bad
globalism is bringing in, when what they want is to keep the brown people slaving away for them from a good safe distance.
Both candidates are really annoying with their existential threat guff about the other side. Like seriously lads the world didn't end in 2016 or 2020, but this time they really mean it, right? Ffs
It didn't improve either time, fair enough, but certainly the world didn't end as far as I know
My humble prediction...bit more fun this way ;D All about PA really, Pennsylvania is the key to the white house, so many paths to victory with that state, you could give Harris winning WI/MI/GA from that list below and still lose.
(https://www.270towin.com/map-images/9y9bm)
If you want to mess around ->
https://www.270towin.com/maps/9y9bm
In a similar vein, this swing vote analysis from The Onion is quality :laugh:
https://x.com/TheOnion/status/1853505855544574351
Quote from: astfgyl on November 05, 2024, 09:23:43 AMBoth candidates are really annoying with their existential threat guff about the other side.
Quote from: A legalized illegalVote for @realDonaldTrump or the Dems will legalize so many illegals in swing states that this will be the last real election in America.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1853625288615157993
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2024, 01:20:41 PMQuote from: astfgyl on November 05, 2024, 09:23:43 AMBoth candidates are really annoying with their existential threat guff about the other side.
Quote from: A legalized illegalVote for @realDonaldTrump or the Dems will legalize so many illegals in swing states that this will be the last real election in America.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1853625288615157993
There's no smoke without fire re grooming foreign born voters. We see it here too, but the existential shit is annoying for sure and Musk is one of the worst offenders
Yeah Musk should give his mouth a rest.
Existential threats, she's a communist, he said there'll be a bloodbath, our democracy at stake' 'it's ELECTRIC'!.
Tiresome bullshit but sure lookit. The craic will start when whichever of them is confirmed.
Well today's the big day!
Result aside, I do love an election. I finish work at about the time when the earliest states could be declared, so I'll be going home to put on the live coverage and watch it for the rest of the eve with a few drinks. Doubt we'll find out tonight though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2024, 03:48:00 PMYeah Musk should give his mouth a rest.
Existential threats, she's a communist, he said there'll be a bloodbath, our democracy at stake' 'it's ELECTRIC'!.
Tiresome bullshit but sure lookit. The craic will start when whichever of them is confirmed.
There's no way either of them will let it happen too handy anyway, even if one or the other wins by a landslide. Say trump does do it though, it'll be a bit funny to hear Democrats say the exact same things the maga crowd said last time about machines and postal voting.
Isn't it mad how countries, including ourselves, make something as simple as voting and having it counted so ridiculously difficult and not necessarily the will of the greater amount of people? The US seems to be needlessly complex in particular but the UK has it a bit weird as well.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 05, 2024, 10:27:00 AMIn a similar vein, this swing vote analysis from The Onion is quality :laugh:
https://x.com/TheOnion/status/1853505855544574351
Because I'm scared :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on November 05, 2024, 05:49:25 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on November 05, 2024, 03:48:00 PMThe craic will start when whichever of them is confirmed.
There's no way either of them will let it happen too handy anyway, even if one or the other wins by a landslide.
Bullshit. Trump is not only the only one to have precedent in refusing to accept a previous election result, he's also the only one to have had his present campaign already lay the groundwork for declaring that it is only by fraud that his opponent's victory could be possible! Some of ye really just don't pay attention.
Yes he's the first to not accept the result but not the first to make accusations of cheating and even as far as Russian collusion. Don't be trying to make out the Democrats wouldn't pull every trick they could the same as trump would. Watch what happens, he'll get a taste of his own medicine if he wins and the other crowd will drag the shit out of it
Trump beat Clinton by 304 to 227 electoral votes in 2016, though Clinton had a popular vote majority of 2.1%. She called him to concede at half two in the morning on the night of the count.
Biden not only beat Trump 306 to 232 electoral votes in 2020 but also had a popular vote majority of 4.5%. We all know what happened over the following months and has indeed kept on happening until now.
Apart from dogmatic adherence to both-sideism, there just is no basis for presuming the DNC would pull a similar "trick" as arguably the lowest point (with respect to domestic rule of law) the Republican party has stooped to since at least McCarthyism. And I say that as someone who, in 2016, actually thought that Trump wouldn't be any worse than Clinton. I have since updated those priors under the weight of what I consider staggering evidence.
Vance be gangsta! :laugh:
https://x.com/bradbatt/status/1853667413721534591
John King on Cnn with the wall. He's excellent at breaking down the voting and explaining everything. :abbath:
Seth Bluestein, a Republican official, on Trump claiming "massive CHEATING" in Philadelphia: "There is absolutely no truth to this allegation. It is yet another example of disinformation. Voting in Philadelphia has been safe and secure."
https://x.com/SethBluestein/status/1853926611495567694
Looks like he's fairly slaughtering her but maybe she can claw it back on the west coast? Another four glorious years...
Bookies have her at 25/1. Not a good look.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 06, 2024, 05:03:53 AMBookies have her at 25/1. Not a good look.
Trump has it.
Yip, basically in the bag.
Unbelievable. The Democrats are totally spasticated.
Lookit, it's the same failed tactic as they tried with Brexit - the liberal dominated media implied that Trump voters were ill-educated redneck bible bashers who hate women and 'the negro', wheeled out the celebrities and smug academics to tell lads who to vote for. Lads kept their mouths closed until they had to put pen to paper.
It's backfired horribly.
What is more, Trump, shallow, crass and vain as he is, he's a real person. His flaws, and they are legion, are relatable to people. Harris, the career lawyer and politician, barely seems sentient - all scripted. People loved or hated Trump, they pretended to have any emotion either way about Harris, apart from being baffled by her or startled by the shrill fake laughing.
Just saw some exit poll data that shows all major demographics (by ethnicity and gender) followed their 2020 voting trends very closely, except one: Latino men shifted from giving Biden a +23 point majority in 2020 to giving Trump a +8 majority this time round.
https://x.com/NiallStanage/status/1854030085906456947
I do think you have a point in your first paragraph there. Where this election wasn't about left v right, but that a modern more radicalized left alienated the centre.
EDIT: Caomhaoin's first paragraph that is
Quote from: Mooncat on November 06, 2024, 08:18:43 AMI do think you have a point in your first paragraph there. Where this election wasn't about left v right, but that a modern more radicalized left alienated the centre.
EDIT: Caomhaoin's first paragraph that is
There was a bit of that but it's mostly the economy. Cost of living and inflation meant workers felt they'd have more money in their pocket under Trump. So running a candidate in harris that has presided over that for the last 4 years was the Democrats downfall. Should have gone with someone else.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2024, 08:17:00 AMJust saw some exit poll data that shows all major demographics (by ethnicity and gender) followed their 2020 voting trends very closely, except one: Latino men shifted from giving Biden a +23 point majority in 2020 to giving Trump a +8 majority this time round.
https://x.com/NiallStanage/status/1854030085906456947
Fascinating 😂
Ah no seriously though. These shifty Latins, they've put democracy itself in jeopardy!
Don't think that exit poll tracked Arab voters, but support there unsurprisingly (but tragically unwisely) collapsed too. Bibi has already congratulated Trump for one of the greatest comebacks in history.
'Tragically unwisely' (wat😂) or not, the man has survived the gauntlet and then he went and won the fuckin' thing. Ah lads. I won't pretend I'm displeased in the slightest, gas craic altogether.
So when does he give himself a pardon?
Yes Kev, if the shift was on the basis of Palestine, as seems to be the case in say Michigan, then imo it was unsurprising yet tragically unwise with respect to Palestinian and regional ME interests, that Arab American voters shifted their support from the DNC to MAGA. I'm not sure I can express that thought in simpler terms.
Speculation.
Listen I can imagine you're finding this mornings news 'un plato de mal gusto' so I'll leave you off for today :)
Naturally it's speculation. That's why I included the imo. Ask your kid next time you get confused by this new-fangled internet slang :laugh:
Jon Schaffer planning his comeback now
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 28, 2024, 04:18:13 AMSo if Trump wins, we'll have a smooth transition of power and then, imo, disaster. But if Harris wins, it looks like it's going to be MAGA-instigated chaos from day one
Presuming we're in the first scenario here, the fact that both sides of this coin were at once so easily predictable and yet so much ignored or denied by one side speaks volumes. In other words, the mere fact it was obvious to anyone looking on objectively that there was only one side who would throw a tantrum if they lost--who was in fact openly
preparing to throw a tantrum if they lost having already thrown a tantrum last time they lost--should have been enough
on its own, in any nation of vaguely serious people, to ensure the loss of that side. Again, as I also said elsewhere, the DNC didn't run a campaign that deserved to win and that's on them, but holy fuck... what a profoundly unserious nation of people the US truly is. No news there though! :)
What a fucking mess, the next 4 years will be a disaster, lame duck scenario...
Quote from: The Butcher on November 05, 2024, 09:54:06 AMMy humble prediction...bit more fun this way ;D All about PA really, Pennsylvania is the key to the white house, so many paths to victory with that state, you could give Harris winning WI/MI/GA from that list below and still lose.
(https://www.270towin.com/map-images/9y9bm)
If you want to mess around ->
https://www.270towin.com/maps/9y9bm
Looks like I was one state out...which seems obvious now if you see the stat that WI, MI and PA always vote the same way in many many recent election cycles.
Thought those states would be much more closer but in reality she was a woeful unlikeable candidate and democrats can only blame themselves for not taking Biden out two years ago and went through a normal process of selection. That doesn't mean Trump wasn't woeful or unlikeable :P
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2024, 08:30:07 AMDon't think that exit poll tracked Arab voters, but support there unsurprisingly (but tragically unwisely) collapsed too. Bibi has already congratulated Trump for one of the greatest comebacks in history.
Smotrich and Ben-Gvir have also expressed their jubilation at Trump winning.
Wisconsin flip officially announced: they think it's all over, it is now.
Quote from: Trev on November 06, 2024, 09:10:16 AMJon Schaffer planning his comeback now
Shite Earth.
White Girth
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 06, 2024, 07:47:34 AMUnbelievable. The Democrats are totally spasticated.
That's the main takeaway from it all really. It could have been so easy for them.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2024, 01:45:28 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on November 06, 2024, 07:47:34 AMUnbelievable. The Democrats are totally spasticated.
That's the main takeaway from it all really. It could have been so easy for them.
How though who could have beaten Trump? The anti Trump brigade even just on here all thought it was going to be an easy win for Harris up until that recent CNN interview and the criticism that followed then reality started to hit home. Sure didn't you think the calling Trump and Vance weird would have an affect then Tim Walz turned out to be the biggest weirdo of the lot.
Harris had everything including the vast majority of the media behind her but it didn't matter because people were fed up with all the bullshit they have had to put up with over the last four years. The escalation of the Trump witch-hunt over the last few years didn't help the narrative either. Even Rogan he was behind Sanders in 2020, has been taking shots at Trump on the podcast since 2016, for the last four years was adamant he would never be on the podcast and then yesterday he comes out and endorses him.
Jamie Raskin already said a few weeks ago that they won't certify the election if Trump wins.
Quote from: The Butcher on July 22, 2024, 09:54:32 AMAlways thought Trump would win over Biden on age/health reasons alone (not that Trump doesn't have the same issues, just not as immediately pressing as Bidens was), then the assassination attempt I think has sealed his victory now no matter what the Democrats do. They will go with Harris now with a "uniting everyone" slogan but she'll feck that up completely. She is not particularly likeable and her past record is pretty shite for a Democrat. America going full red in November.
*cough* although Harris didn't go with the "uniting everyone" slogan...rather a "look over there! MAGA are Nazis" slogan :laugh:
Quote from: mickO))) on November 06, 2024, 03:35:14 PMJamie Raskin already said a few weeks ago that they won't certify the election if Trump wins.
Did he, yeah? And who the fuck is Jamie Raskin when he's at home? He's certainly no Trump himself or even Tucker Carlson, so already no comparison. Let's have a look anyway... okay, he's a Democrat House Representative for Maryland. Hmm, a Democrat House Representative said "they" won't certify the election if Trump wins? Sounds slightly extraordinary, best have a look...
QuoteA Nov. 5 Threads post said, "Jamie Raskin said, 'Let folks cast their votes for Trump if that's their choice. But mark my words, we won't be certifying the election. He might win, but we'll ensure he doesn't step foot in the Oval Office.'"
The post adds: "Tell me again which party is seeking to destroy democracy and install an unelected candidate?"
To which Raskin already replied yesterday, before the results were in:
Quote"This fictional 'quote' is 100% fabricated," Raskin said in a Nov. 5 X post. "It's one more lie in the stream of right-wing lies designed to undermine our election. Despite this actionable libel and all the disinformation, America is having a free and fair election and Congress will certify the winner."
And two days ago on the 4th:
QuoteAxios quoted Raskin responding to Johnson's comments in a statement, saying he is "of course committed to following the Constitution and certifying the actual results of the 2024 presidential election"
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/nov/05/instagram-posts/no-jamie-raskin-didnt-say-he-wouldnt-certify-the-e/
So a bullshit claim, but thanks for the umpteenth demonstration of a major part* of how and why Trump won: a mixture of wanton gullibility and cynical disregard for reality (turbo charged with the aid of the richest man in the world).
*the other being the DNC not being up to the task of combating MAGA.
:laugh: Ah the good old fact checkers have spoken. I have seen the video of him saying it three times on three different podcasts over the last week. Was the video a deep fake or something? What does Tucker have to do this I didn't mention him anywhere in my post.
He's salty!
So, presumably had Harris won, you'd have drawn similar conclusions about gullibility and disregard for reality and the republicans not being up to the task of combatting the DNC?
Doubtful, because it's not within your comprehension to consider that factors which are unpalatable to you led to this result - concerns about immigration etc.
I ask considering, for example, the relentless stream of bullshit and bare arsed propaganda coming from 95% of the legacy media, which is consumed primarily by 'liberals'.
Have a watch if Joe Scarborough's meltdown earlier. Lie after lie after wanton lie. So who is it, precisely, who is detached from reality?
Quote from: mickO))) on November 06, 2024, 05:50:07 PM:laugh: Ah the good old fact checkers have spoken. I have seen the video of him saying it three times on three different podcasts over the last week. Was the video a deep fake or something? What does Tucker have to do this I didn't mention him anywhere in my post.
I don't know if the video was a deep fake since I haven't seen it and you didn't source it.
I also don't know who Joe Scarborough is. Was he speaking in an official capacity for the DNC?
Tucker Carlson stated at the MSG MAGA rally that if Harris won then the only possible explanation could be fraud and that he and everyone like him should refuse to accept it.
He's that melt from MSNBC, the same lad who said Biden was the best version of Biden ever (shortly before he was ousted in a coup and replaced by an unelected and unelectable usurper). He finished his rant saying 'f you if you can't handle this truth'.
His efforts this morning remind me of when I was 12 and lost at FIFA against my brother.
Right. So an irrelevant TV personality speaking independently of the party. Good stuff Kev, very informative.
He's kind of a big deal (in that world).
You know as well as anyone, those networks are the unofficial propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.
Am I on here talking about everything said on the unofficial propaganda arm of MAGA (i.e. Fox)? No. I mentioned something Tucker Carlson said because he said it from the podium of a MAGA rally. Context.
Anyway. Be interesting to see will Trumps policy of tariffs and bringing business back to America fuck our corporation tax receipts. It probably will a bit but American companies need a base in Europe as well and we're that country thankfully.
I can't wait to see trump's first tax break. I wonder how much the little man will get. As the rich will get a lot. He'll pull.put the Paris accord. That's a given. Even his slogan. Make america great again. He already had 4 years and done fuck all. Did he sort the border. Ha. He'll be judged on whether the working and middle class have more money in their pockets. The first time he was in he inherited a booming economy. He dosent have that now. And as for gaza. Yer fucked.
Quote from: mickO))) on November 06, 2024, 03:35:14 PMQuote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2024, 01:45:28 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on November 06, 2024, 07:47:34 AMUnbelievable. The Democrats are totally spasticated.
That's the main takeaway from it all really. It could have been so easy for them.
How though who could have beaten Trump? The anti Trump brigade even just on here all thought it was going to be an easy win for Harris up until that recent CNN interview and the criticism that followed then reality started to hit home. Sure didn't you think the calling Trump and Vance weird would have an affect then Tim Walz turned out to be the biggest weirdo of the lot.
Harris had everything including the vast majority of the media behind her but it didn't matter because people were fed up with all the bullshit they have had to put up with over the last four years. The escalation of the Trump witch-hunt over the last few years didn't help the narrative either. Even Rogan he was behind Sanders in 2020, has been taking shots at Trump on the podcast since 2016, for the last four years was adamant he would never be on the podcast and then yesterday he comes out and endorses him.
Jamie Raskin already said a few weeks ago that they won't certify the election if Trump wins.
That's exactly it, all they had to do was have basically anything other than the fucking ridiculous duo they came up with and a bit of the weird slogans and play to the centre like they'd be the party of no rhetoric or something. They are totally spasticated for not coming up with something to even run it close against someone as polarising as trump.
According to turnout stats, about 13 million less voted for Harris than Biden, and look at the state of him!
Trump ran a very good campaign and Harris a pathetic one. It's that simple it wasn't even slightly close at all.
If Trump gets Arizona, that'll be three swing states, along with Pennsylvania and Georgia, he's won which several surveys showed weeks ago would only be swung to the DNC if there was a withholding of arms to Israel. Haven't seen similar data for Michigan, but it's generally agreed it's the same deal there. The DNC campaign actually lost a lot of support for being too centrist/right-centrist, including openly trying to woo Republicans. Personally, I believe only exemplary integrity (or a dead ringer for it) could have beaten Trump's blatant dishonesty tactics, and if there's one thing the DNC utterly lack at the highest levels, especially at the moment re Gaza vs Ukraine, it's integrity.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2024, 06:11:27 PMAm I on here talking about everything said on the unofficial propaganda arm of MAGA (i.e. Fox)? No. I mentioned something Tucker Carlson said because he said it from the podium of a MAGA rally. Context.
Yeah but you said that gullibility and detachment from reality are factors in Trump's win. It's highly doubtful you'd have said the same about democrat voters if your preferred candidate had come through.
Well to be fair to the DNC, no matter what stance they took on that one they were always going to alienate a massive amount of voters and I don't know how trump is getting away with it either because I don't see what he's going to do differently there, or indeed what anyone else might do. Do they upset millions of Islamic voters and anti genocide types or do they upset their Jewish donors?
No, I don't think anyone could win with that one. It's more divisive than covid and I didn't think that'd be a thing but here we are.
Harris just performed spectacularly badly with no charisma at all it really did look wafer thin upon any inspection. Had they come out of the blocks early with a Biden replacement maybe the Republicans might have thought twice about Trump. Maybe. I don't live there so can only speculate so much as well.
Well at least that's the end of the Biden and Harris era and hopefully there'll be a few lessons learned by the DNC after this one.
Also, the squirrel... that was symbolic
Oh, and just like everything else ever, I can see how a trump win will inevitably lead to digital ID and a surveillance state.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 06, 2024, 06:53:39 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 06, 2024, 06:11:27 PMAm I on here talking about everything said on the unofficial propaganda arm of MAGA (i.e. Fox)? No. I mentioned something Tucker Carlson said because he said it from the podium of a MAGA rally. Context.
Yeah but you said that gullibility and detachment from reality are factors in Trump's win. It's highly doubtful you'd have said the same about democrat voters if your preferred candidate had come through.
That's because the DNC are imo better characterized by hypocrisy than bare-faced lying :)
I was surprised to see Kamela tweeting for her acolytes to storm the capitol. I didn't think she had it in her. Fair play.
His speech was something else. He started off well enough for about the first 30 seconds, then it just devolved into a bunch of tangential, non-sequitur rambling. He's a little better than Biden, but it still seems like two people that escaped from the old folks home for the day and need to be gently ushered back.
I feel a little bad for the democrats (if not Biden or Harris themselves particularly) because I don't think there was much they could have done about the economy, and this win does feel like the populace punishing the democrats for the cost of living crisis; something that's happening everywhere. That plus there was no way America was ever going to be progressive enough to vote for a woman as president. I think Trump got very lucky with his timing in getting out at the right time with covid and avoiding the two big wars kicking off, plus getting back in as the economy is stabilizing (which he will of course take credit for). Will be very interesting to see what happens next as a big part of his campaign was sorting out the wars and I don't think he's actually going to do a thing about it.
Not seeing many silver linings this morning. Punk rock for the next few years is going to be lit?
Might even get a half decent Ministry album out of it!!
Ha, plenty of fodder there for sure
This is partly what I dread- Trump-obsessed art and music. Fuck me, I can't think of anything more spiritually dismal.
Quote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2024, 09:17:32 PMMight even get a half decent Ministry album out of it!!
Haha,that's a given. Aul uncle AL last hurrahhh.
Quote from: Hellyeah on November 06, 2024, 09:37:49 PMQuote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2024, 09:17:32 PMMight even get a half decent Ministry album out of it!!
Haha,that's a given. Aul uncle AL last hurrahhh.
This time he's definitely not coming back until next time :laugh:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 06, 2024, 09:28:46 PMThis is partly what I dread- Trump-obsessed art and music. Fuck me, I can't think of anything more spiritually dismal.
It's funny because I've always enjoyed the Reagan references in 80s music, but it's weird to now be able to give real context to that artist mindset at the time.
Haha true that. As a kid it was all remote, but now it's all too hum drum.
If someone's got a song about Russian ladies pissing on any lad, I want to hear it.
So....
Musk buys twitter for 44 billion and uses that to buy his way into a position in government by the leverage of using it to promote a trump victory.
Stakeholder Capitalism, anyone? Now where have I heard that before...?
Who'd have thought that the Amish lads would be blowing the trumpets to herald the horsemen of the technocratic apocalypse?
Anyway, I guess that's the end of any talk of Donald vs Big Tech from here on in.....
(https://i.ibb.co/JRbDHgf/IMG-20241106-WA0062.jpg")
(https://i.ibb.co/YcPYhJ9/IMG-20241106-WA0063.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FYJxDs3/IMG-20241106-WA0050.jpg)
Quote from: astfgyl on November 06, 2024, 11:17:16 PMSo....
Musk buys twitter for 44 billion and uses that to buy his way into a position in government by the leverage of using it to promote a trump victory.
Stakeholder Capitalism, anyone? Now where have I heard that before...?
Who'd have thought that the Amish lads would be blowing the trumpets to herald the horsemen of the technocratic apocalypse?
Anyway, I guess that's the end of any talk of Donald vs Big Tech from here on in.....
And get his new orange buddy to impose tariffs on the competition for his other business. Who's in whose pocket again?
I guess the biggest mystery remains what possible advantage paragon of integrity Joe Rogan saw in hitching his ship to the fleet comprised of the world's richest man holding up the world's loudest megaphone to the compulsive liar mouth of the leader of the world's greatest superpower. Leave it with me, this may require deep, deep thinking! :)
Here's a photo that for me sums up the sincerity of MAGA perfectly. As in, you'd want to have been born yesterday to buy it, yet it's racked up over half a million likes. That is where we are at. A new dark ages for rational thinking.
https://x.com/rustyrockets/status/1853950788969611343
Edit: For clarification, that's not just about MAGA and Brand, but also Musk and the likes of Tate, Rogan, etc.; this twilight combination of genuinely irrational morons (e.g. Tate) and those who may or may not be (hard to tell in some instances) cynically weaponizing irrational thinking because of how popular it makes them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2024, 11:29:23 AMI guess the biggest mystery remains what possible advantage paragon of integrity Joe Rogan saw in hitching his ship to the fleet comprised of the world's richest man holding up the world's loudest megaphone to the compulsive liar mouth of the leader of the world's greatest superpower. Leave it with me, this may require deep, deep thinking! :)
It must have just been the right thing to do in the name of truth and justice.
I guess all the freedom fighters really do live technocratic living after all!!
Also, I must say, the Democrats have really let me down with their non event of cheating accusations. I had that badly wrong the dignified bastards
It's not that the Democrats are dignified: it's that MAGA are a bunch of spoiled brat lying, cheating, tantrum-throwing toddlers. This is what you got badly wrong, on this point and many others. In other words: they are not and have never been "as bad as each other." It's always been the case that DNC bad, MAGA worse.
Plenty would disagree.
And plenty of those who would disagree would also disagree if I said, for example, that evolution is a biological fact. And just like that, when I say MAGA are worse, it's not primarily a question of opinion:
Are MAGA worse losers? Objectively and empirically yes.
Are MAGA more brazen liars? Objectively and empirically yes.
We could carry on by other objective criteria.
Plenty who agree with you believe, contrary to every single embryologist in the world, that life doesn't begin at conception so...
Anyways. The lads I don't like are worse than my team because they lie more and are sore losers. It's fairly narrow, if it's even measurable. And a tad petty. Trump didn't start any wars, you could put that in his plus column. He hasn't yet facilitated a genocide yet either :/
The DNC are not "my team" and framing it that way is just an immature way of side-stepping concrete issues. As I've said before, and said on MI at the time, back in 2016 I was solidly in camp 'completely suspended judgment' as to who would be worse between Clinton and Trump. Since then, based on eight years of observation of facts which have occurred in concrete reality, I have updated my evaluation of Trump and consider him and MAGA to be worse than Biden or Harris and the DNC. He has an absolute disregard for the truth, which creates a situation where, if they don't want to contradict their cult leader figure, his followers either have to be or to act stupid, in the very concrete objective sense of acting in ignorance (willful or otherwise) of the reality. That is a big deal as far as I'm concerned. That they're sore losers is less of a big deal per se, but because it is intimately related in fact to the lying that makes it part of the bigger deal.
[btw, biologically speaking, life doesn't "begin" at conception since both the spermatozoon and the egg are already living organisms in their own right.]
Make America Abort Again
Human life does, in fact, begin at conception. So, 'biologically speaking' (and 96% plus of biologists will back me up), you're dead wrong. You may place less worth on human life in its embryonic stage, but considering you're the big science guy, you're making a tit of yourself there.
Call my attitude immature all you like, you're doing a bit of side stepping the wars or genocides or lack thereof. Maybe they are bigger deals than politicians bullshitting.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2024, 02:03:50 PMIt's not that the Democrats are dignified: it's that MAGA are a bunch of spoiled brat lying, cheating, tantrum-throwing toddlers. This is what you got badly wrong, on this point and many others. In other words: they are not and have never been "as bad as each other." It's always been the case that DNC bad, MAGA worse.
No, I still disagree that they're any better but I don't mind admitting things that I did get wrong.
It was always a case of a technocratic outcome anyway with this one, it's just a question of which flavour technocracy one prefers.
Digital id to keep out immigrants or digital id to protect one another through vaccinations or the green agenda.
Turns out more wanted to justify it through the immigrants
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2024, 02:34:41 PMPlenty who agree with you believe, contrary to every single embryologist in the world, that life doesn't begin at conception so...
Anyways. The lads I don't like are worse than my team because they lie more and are sore losers. It's fairly narrow, if it's even measurable. And a tad petty. Trump didn't start any wars, you could put that in his plus column. He hasn't yet facilitated a genocide yet either :/
You're right in that he didn't do any wars. His deal with the taliban was heinous as was Bidens withdrawl. Fight an enemy for 10 years only to give them back power, thus fucking every woman in the country. Whoever is in power their forigen policy is fucked.
Syria, Libya the list goes on. Convincing the masses that Putin invaded Ukraine because he's a psycho full stop so we have to keep arming them and kibosh peace talks. Hilary Clinton, Liz Cheney etc are the real psychos.
A genuine anti-war mass movement is needed over there. Even political commissar Chris and SS LIEBSTANDARTE obergruppenführer Kev could unite for that.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2024, 04:44:42 PMA genuine anti-war mass movement is needed over there. Even political commissar Chris and SS LIEBSTANDARTE obergruppenführer Kev could unite for that.
They tried it already, no dice. Too much control, too many guns, too many warlike people. Attempting to take away their guns or control would likely result in a civil war. Feels very American that a war may be needed to prevent wars.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2024, 04:44:42 PMSyria, Libya the list goes on. Convincing the masses that Putin invaded Ukraine because he's a psycho full stop so we have to keep arming them and kibosh peace talks. Hilary Clinton, Liz Cheney etc are the real psychos.
A genuine anti-war mass movement is needed over there. Even political commissar Chris and SS LIEBSTANDARTE obergruppenführer Kev could unite for that.
I've read a few books on Putin. He's a total psychopath.
If Trump had been president when Bibi came to the US to convince them that Iraq had WMD, would he have gone to war? Indubitably. In fact, had Trump been president in 2023, there might already be troops on the ground in the Middle East. Yes, that is pure speculation. But the point is that historical circumstance has more to do with which presidents go to war and which don't so I don't in any way feel compelled to give Trump any "points" for not having done so. He maintained lethal US foreign policy to the letter and very much favoured the degradation of the situation in the Middle East via his move of the embassy to Jerusalem, as I've mentioned before. If we're doing points, he loses a massive one there. As well as for encouraging the absolute lunatic psychopath mega church pastors to pursue their engineering of Armageddon ideology. Those lads (and lasses) are as bad as Ben-Gvir any day of the week.
[100% of biologists will tell you that spermatozoon are living organisms. Even the bible and Catholic church had rudimentary recognition of this, hence the ban on coming on the ground and more modern means of contraception, respectively. What you're angling after is when the life of an individual human being begins, and that's a much thornier issue which biology alone can't answer. Ask any biologist.]
He may or may not be, and he's not done his image any favours, clearly, but I mean he didn't invade Ukraine just because he's a megalomaniac or an imperialist (he may very well be those things). There are other sinister actors at play.
It's a pity it's young Ukrainian and Russian men paying for it. I was at a makeshift memorial in Moscow when I was there a few weeks ago, all the photos of dead young lads, the candles. Horrifyng.
(https://i.ibb.co/KNdwNrW/Screenshot-20241107-173425-Firefox.jpg)
If anyone thinks the election of Trump is something other than a clusterfuck they are deluded, the next 4 years will be all about him feathering his nest and fucking over anyone who crossed him, nothing more and nothing less. He has zero brains for the nuances of politics.
@Chris.
I'm not angling after anything. I'm pointing out the biological fact (not a thorny issue at all) that human life begins at the moment of conception. You've concocted some slimy word salad to evade that fact. But the fact remains, a new, genetically distinct human life begins at the moment of fertilisation . Take your own advice and ask any biologist.
Under natural conditions, up to 40% of fertilized eggs fail to even reach implantation stage. It is not generally considered that this represents annual deaths of tens of millions of human beings. Under natural conditions, it generally happens unbeknownst to all involved.
Quote from: The Heretic on November 07, 2024, 05:40:31 PMIf anyone thinks the election of Trump is something other than a clusterfuck they are deluded, the next 4 years will be all about him feathering his nest and fucking over anyone who crossed him, nothing more and nothing less. He has zero brains for the nuances of politics.
Just like his first term so.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2024, 05:38:39 PMHe may or may not be, and he's not done his image any favours, clearly, but I mean he didn't invade Ukraine just because he's a megalomaniac or an imperialist (he may very well be those things). There are other sinister actors at play.
It's a pity it's young Ukrainian and Russian men paying for it. I was at a makeshift memorial in Moscow when I was there a few weeks ago, all the photos of dead young lads, the candles. Horrifyng.
I can only imagine. The shit he pulled when climbing the ladder in St petersburg is mental. I call him a psychopath as he has no problem putting hundreds of thousands of his own soldiers through the meat grinder to keep the proxy war going (as America are doing) so him and the cronies can keep their power/money train going.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2024, 06:26:21 PMUnder natural conditions, up to 40% of fertilized eggs fail to even reach implantation stage. It is not generally considered that this represents annual deaths of tens of millions of human beings. Under natural conditions, it generally happens unbeknownst to all involved.
That's all true (believe me, I've done my homework on this), but it doesn't alter the fact that, biologically speaking, as you say, a distinct human life is created at fertilisation.
Fuckin' hell, presumably you're less pedantic when you get pulled up for wet footprints in the bathroom or dirty socks left out at home 😂
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 07, 2024, 06:33:26 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2024, 05:38:39 PMHe may or may not be, and he's not done his image any favours, clearly, but I mean he didn't invade Ukraine just because he's a megalomaniac or an imperialist (he may very well be those things). There are other sinister actors at play.
It's a pity it's young Ukrainian and Russian men paying for it. I was at a makeshift memorial in Moscow when I was there a few weeks ago, all the photos of dead young lads, the candles. Horrifyng.
I can only imagine. The shit he pulled when climbing the ladder in St petersburg is mental. I call him a psychopath as he has no problem putting hundreds of thousands of his own soldiers through the meat grinder to keep the proxy war going (as America are doing) so him and the cronies can keep their power/money train going.
The gigantic national egos of both Russia and the US make it impossible for any climb down that has the merest hint of losing face. A lot more lives are going to be pissed up the wall before a compromise is reached.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2024, 06:38:55 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2024, 06:26:21 PMUnder natural conditions, up to 40% of fertilized eggs fail to even reach implantation stage. It is not generally considered that this represents annual deaths of tens of millions of human beings. Under natural conditions, it generally happens unbeknownst to all involved.
That's all true (believe me, I've done my homework on this), but it doesn't alter the fact that, biologically speaking, as you say, a distinct human life is created at fertilisation.
Fuckin' hell, presumably you're less pedantic when you get pulled up for wet footprints in the bathroom or dirty socks left out at home 😂
Judging by how often you do so on here, presumably you bring up abortion when you get pulled up for wet footprints in the bathroom :)
She takes no notice, she thinks I'm a crank.
I didn't bring up abortion per se, and although I sympathise with the abolitionist boys, the people have spoken on the issue.
Lads, I just come to this thread to masturbate and all this talk of abortion is killing my horn.
Speaking of playing with yourself, I had the Malthusian on yesterday and for some reason I couldn't for the life of me remember your MI/MW username.
The worst thing about this thread is that it now has fuel for another 4 years. I keep peeking in despite myself.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2024, 06:43:33 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on November 07, 2024, 06:33:26 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on November 07, 2024, 05:38:39 PMHe may or may not be, and he's not done his image any favours, clearly, but I mean he didn't invade Ukraine just because he's a megalomaniac or an imperialist (he may very well be those things). There are other sinister actors at play.
It's a pity it's young Ukrainian and Russian men paying for it. I was at a makeshift memorial in Moscow when I was there a few weeks ago, all the photos of dead young lads, the candles. Horrifyng.
I can only imagine. The shit he pulled when climbing the ladder in St petersburg is mental. I call him a psychopath as he has no problem putting hundreds of thousands of his own soldiers through the meat grinder to keep the proxy war going (as America are doing) so him and the cronies can keep their power/money train going.
The gigantic national egos of both Russia and the US make it impossible for any climb down that has the merest hint of losing face. A lot more lives are going to be pissed up the wall before a compromise is reached.
Aye. And when this one ends another proxy way will pop up for the two to engage in. As night follows day. Arms gotta be sold.
Never did I think the metal crowd were such a bunch of leftie tossers. Trump is the only person that can stop all the trannie / woke nonsense being pumped into the kids throughout the world. He's never started a war either, so stop making absolute shite up. Obama sent more immigrants 'home' too, than trump ever did.
Seriously boys , wind your necks in, the next 4 years are gonna rock like fuck
Quote from: Emphyrio on November 07, 2024, 07:38:41 PMThe worst thing about this thread is that it now has fuel for another 4 years. I keep peeking in despite myself.
No, it's actually done. The conclusion is that big tech is no longer against trump in any way shape or form. They probably should be, but then they know what side their breath is buttered on and now trump himself is beholden to Musk, so unless something suddenly dramatic happens and the cunts that were pretending to be against the orange cunt suddenly have an attack of integrity, even the likes of Google who were Harris greatest donors will simply bow down to the coming technocratic inevitability and get on board with the new world champion.
Anyone remember "dogecoin"?
Department of government efficiency?
Trump a new champion of crypto?
I'm starting to think we live in a simulation and all at this stage
The Guardian/ BBC in meltdown, BBC asking " what went wrong?", very condescending and completely out of touch.
Quote from: Blitzer666 on November 07, 2024, 08:13:44 PMNever did I think the metal crowd were such a bunch of leftie tossers. Trump is the only person that can stop all the trannie / woke nonsense being pumped into the kids throughout the world. He's never started a war either, so stop making absolute shite up. Obama sent more immigrants 'home' too, than trump ever did.
Seriously boys , wind your necks in, the next 4 years are gonna rock like fuck
Have you been around much musicians in general. They're a fairly liberal bunch. Not sure if you're just a bot or human. If you're human I'm scarlet for ya...
No no no, metal is for real men, none of this gender bending shit, it's for real men with long hair, who like to wear leather and studs and get all sweaty in a room with other real men, none of this gay shit you see nowadays, it's for men who like to sing along to songs like War Pigs and Hell Bent for Leather, no woke shit :abbath:.
Yep, absolutely nothing homoerotic about any of it :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Have you or anybody you know recently been duped by a fragile but obscenely wealthy narcissist? You may be entitled to wake up and do something about it.
https://x.com/davegreenidge57/status/1855196082524790896
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 09, 2024, 10:58:13 PMHave you or anybody you know recently been duped by a fragile but obscenely wealthy narcissist? You may be entitled to wake up and do something about it.
https://x.com/davegreenidge57/status/1855196082524790896
You are equally entitled to take the ideological beating, realise that your mad ideas are actually in the minority no matter what the bought media said and get the fuck over it
But that's just my thoughts
Accept the technocratic future and fuck up about it
If you're talking about my actual mad ideas, there's never been the slightest doubt but that they're in the minority :laugh: Still that difficulty to grasp that although what I actually want is Z, I can still express a preference between Y and... X. What the video highlights is that Musk, (cynically) claiming to represent the majority, primarily represents a particular minority elite and does so by means equally if not even more dishonest than those he claimed to be cleaning up. Objectively, that hoodwinking is the core thing the neoliberals (e.g. DNC) and the corporatists (e.g. MAGA) have in common. The kind of 'aiming for the concrete greatest benefit of the majority' views I espouse are not promoted by any of the minority elite: neither the Musks nor the Gates, neither the Trumps nor the Clintons. Which is why it's all the funnier when people come on here with propaganda from the corporatist wing of the elite calling the neolib wing of the same elite "actual Marxists" etc.
Looking at my last post in the morning light and it looks like I was disagreeing. I just thought I was funnier than I was and I absolutely agree that musks purchase of twitter was instrumental in getting the lad elected
Quote from: Blitzer666 on November 07, 2024, 08:13:44 PMNever did I think the metal crowd were such a bunch of leftie tossers. Trump is the only person that can stop all the trannie / woke nonsense being pumped into the kids throughout the world. He's never started a war either, so stop making absolute shite up. Obama sent more immigrants 'home' too, than trump ever did.
Seriously boys , wind your necks in, the next 4 years are gonna rock like fuck
You're the worst kind of troglodyte knuckledragger metalhead there is.
Quote from: ldj on November 08, 2024, 07:19:35 AMNo no no, metal is for real men, none of this gender bending shit, it's for real men with long hair, who like to wear leather and studs and get all sweaty in a room with other real men, none of this gay shit you see nowadays, it's for men who like to sing along to songs like War Pigs and Hell Bent for Leather, no woke shit :abbath:.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Here's a bit fromsomething I was reading about the Woke Right. Thought it was good and could also be applied to the Irish situation these days...
QuoteI call em "Woke Right" because they've awoken to the real truth that the rest of us just don't get. They're obnoxious/condescending like the woke left... Not averse to doxxing/mob tactics... Communicate en masse by repeating talking points... And dissent gets you excommunicated
They are the "Real Patriots" So if we disagree, we're disloyal...we're traitors Politics is performative...policy wins are for the RINO scum...anything short of "draining the swamp" is insufficiently woke And anybody that doesn't embrace isolationism is a warmongering WW3 neocon
But they actually hate America...for different reasons than the woke left...yet in the end they reach the same conclusion The US is actually the source of all that's bad in the world. Unsee-able forces have made America evil So we must tear it all down and rebuild in their image
Yet they share a common fatal flaw w/ the woke left. Common sense...truth...reality And some of us on the right aren't afraid to point out the obvious It's not about disagreements on ideology/policy It's a pattern of behavior That's what wokeness is...indulgent self-righteousness
Trump has tipped Mike Huckabee as his ambassador to Israel. First ever non-Jewish pick for the role if that's the case. Instead, this is a raging Evangelical Christian, a former church minister in fact. Has previously been outspoken on Israel's "rightful claim" to the West Bank.
https://x.com/KAGdrogo/status/1856119803548930083?t=94Kn4IkaMD53a2zoytKtyg&s=09
Looks like that's not all he's been up to!
The logical conclusion of Q :laugh:
I need a fucking book or something
Quote from: astfgylI need a fucking book or something
https://archive.org/details/1900orlastpresid00lock/page/9/mode/1up
Found one of the books in the replies. Started reading it. Three pages in and thinking about how it's the same oul shit 100 years later.
Must be time travel
If you're looking for an appropriate book to read at this time, may I recommend the MAGA Middle East playbook: it's called the Book of Revelations.
In related news:
Trump has nominated former Fox News presenter Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense. Hegseth, who served at Guantanamo and defended the treatment of inmates held there, also has prominent 'Deus Vult' and Jerusalem cross tattoos, both symbols of the Crusades.
Already have that read would you believe :laugh:
Good stuff, then you know the events they're literally endeavouring to bring about. Let's keep going with the MAGA pick for UN Ambassador:
https://x.com/EliseStefanik/status/1856522201593458893
I had saved a long thread on exactly this about a year ago and basically trump was the antichrist in it. I dunno how to search that far back but I might have thrown it in the theories thread here I'll see if I can dig it out
Trump isn't the Antichrist because there is no Antichrist: that's mythology. What there is, however, is people who believe Armageddon (as a prerequisite to the Second Coming of Christ) is not only coming but that they are called to usher it in. The most powerful among those people are part of MAGA. No conspiracy: they happily say it on camera in interviews.
You're not mistaking me for a believer, are you?
No, not mistaking you for a believer, just recalling an important distinction between noise (e.g. conspiracies in which any given individual is identified as "the antichrist") and signal (e.g. real world events nevertheless determined by the known mythological beliefs of some of the most powerful individuals on earth).
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 13, 2024, 09:19:05 AMTrump isn't the Antichrist because there is no Antichrist: that's mythology. What there is, however, is people who believe Armageddon (as a prerequisite to the Second Coming of Christ) is not only coming but that they are called to usher it in. The most powerful among those people are part of MAGA. No conspiracy: they happily say it on camera in interviews.
People who believe in Armageddon and who believe they are called to usher it in, and said so on camera. Please, a link it you have one.
Over the last year, I have several times recommended that people watch Praying For Armageddon, you'll find a couple of instances of this therein.
But who, just regular joes or one of Trump's appointees?
People like Robert Jeffress, the megachurch pastor who is an advisor to Trump and who the latter sent to publicly bless the opening of the US Embassy in Jerusalem (itself taken to be a step towards ushering in the Second Coming). Huckabee shares these beliefs (his belief that Israel has a rightful claim to the West Bank and should do so is also part and parcel of actively working towards the fulfillment of End Times prophecies) and has promoted the writings of people like Max Lucado, another delusional eschatologist.
Watch the documentary and see what you think.
I'll give it a look at the weekend, left the laptop at work.
Huckabee confirmed? You'd hope they don't swing the reactionary pendulum from ghastly wokeness in the army, education etc to delusional evangelism. I think Trump wants neither, he wants to Make America Cool Again like 1986, with wet t-shirt competitions, jet skis, big hair and wraparound sunglasses.
You're being a bit harsh on the defence lad I think. It's true he's part time on Fox but according to Tim Pool he has two degrees from Princeton, he was an on the ground officer, bronze stars etc.Probably knows what he's at. As for the tattoos, sure lookit, Deus Vult is fairly vanilla. Let's reserve judgement.
Well it seems to be impossible for most of the world to reach a consensus on Israel and the West Bank (likely for dollar based reasons, but maybe some ideology as well) so I'll take a wait and see on the results even if it doesn't look great on paper for now.
Regarding trump and evangelical Christians, well I suppose he has to get the voter base from somewhere and the Democrats seem to have the atheist crowd sewn up and the Science Is Your God crowd also sewn up, so he hadn't much of a choice but to pander to that crowd to get ahead.
So far he seems by what he says to be looking to bring a bit of common sense back to proceedings because, let's face it, it had gone so far the other direction as to be just too stupid for the majority. Then again, what a politician says and what they do are usually hard to marry so again the jury is out until he gets in and starts doing things rather than saying things.
Also the fact that we live in a world where many see Donald Trump as the saviour of common sense and good things should give many of us pause for thought (and it probably does for normal folk, but we aren't politicians) and I'm wondering why we had to go so far one way as to make centrism look extreme.
Here's a question:
Who has been running America for the last year if it wasn't Biden (and it obviously wasn't Biden)?
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 13, 2024, 05:37:36 PMHuckabee confirmed? You'd hope they don't swing the reactionary pendulum from ghastly wokeness in the army, education etc to delusional evangelism.
If you weren't expecting delusional evangelism to take over, you haven't had your eye on the ball.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 13, 2024, 05:37:36 PMYou're being a bit harsh on the defence lad I think.
I described him in purely factual terms: He's an (ex?) part time Fox host. He defended the treatment of inmates at Guantanamo. He has two Crusades-worship tattoos.
That you know what Tim Pool said about anything is a bad sign with respect to keeping your eye on the ball. Not so much chewing gum for the eyes as caustic soda for the mind.
Lol, Tim Pool.
Fuck, the list of absolute Stook Ideologues on both sides of the political divide is astounding.
People deserve what they've got for not stopping the rot years ago
Is there any way I could coordinate with your family to get a "both sides" jar going where you have to put a euro in it every time you say or type "both sides"? The proceeds could go towards the yokes for the MW meet-up.
The cringe is simply endless:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856530955709587762
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 13, 2024, 07:57:17 PMIs there any way I could coordinate with your family to get a "both sides" jar going where you have to put a euro in it every time you say or type "both sides"? The proceeds could go towards the yokes for the MW meet-up.
Really? For every Tim Pool you can think of, there can be some other handicap pulled up with democratic ideas that's just as annoying.
So here, have another both sides are retarded along with whoever thinks either of them are cool.
Not only are both sides retarded but also both sides are retarded enough to think the other one is the problem.
I fucking laughed when trump was elected again because it was the logical conclusion to the spasticated far left who bow to all sciences except biology.
Both sides? Neither for me, thanks
You two will definitely have your own wee corner at any prospective MW meet up !
And I'd probably be in a corner making lists
"The US presidential election campaign served to underline what we have considered for a long time: that X is a toxic media platform and its owner, Elon Musk, has been able to use its influence to shape political discourse."
That's what the guardian said about leaving twitter today, in an attempt to call out political bias.
Sweet Jesus
Quote from: astfgyl on November 13, 2024, 09:07:50 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 13, 2024, 07:57:17 PMIs there any way I could coordinate with your family to get a "both sides" jar going where you have to put a euro in it every time you say or type "both sides"? The proceeds could go towards the yokes for the MW meet-up.
Really? For every Tim Pool you can think of, there can be some other handicap pulled up with democratic ideas that's just as annoying.
So here, have another both sides are retarded along with whoever thinks either of them are cool.
Not only are both sides retarded but also both sides are retarded enough to think the other one is the problem.
I fucking laughed when trump was elected again because it was the logical conclusion to the spasticated far left who bow to all sciences except biology.
Both sides? Neither for me, thanks
That's the spirit! If we buy bulk, we might already have our first yoke covered with just that post.
(I haven't the foggiest how much they sell for these days though, so apologies to the kids on here if we gramps are embarrassingly out of date. 3' and 6 they were back in my day!)
Yeah but if you're going to talk about Pete Hagsgrith or whatever the cunts name is in purely factual terms, why not include the stuff like the bronze stars, his respect from subordinates etc, the inconvenient facts? Otherwise it's skewed and lying by omission/insufficient research/ biased and therefore pointless. He has dodgy tattoos though :/
Yeah, they hate Tim Pool and Russell Brand with a particular vitriol because they are Martin Luther and Zwingli, burn the heretics! Bullshitters!
Yokes...THOSE WERE THE DAYS. Lowrys in Tipp Town this summer, surely you know a lad who can make it happen Asty? Or maybe you are 'the lad' 😂
You're asking me why I didn't include LinkedIn profile padding such as "respect from subordinates"? Because I didn't get into his CV details at all. Some commentators have described Hegseth as the least qualified candidate in US history for the role of Secretary of Defense (and that is pretty well underlined if you compare him to current Secretary Lloyd Austin, a four star general with a mile-long list of awards and decorations), but I also didn't include that. In terms of a confluence of elements that demonstrate a potential bias re future foreign policy, the fact that Hegseth defended mistreatment of Arabs at Guantanamo and proudly wears symbols that represent a form of Christian Islamophobia are more interesting to me. By all means fill your boots with the ins and outs of his qualifications with respect to doing the day-to-day job: I'm not saying it's not interesting, it's just of less interest to me in terms of getting an overall idea of what we can expect from MAGA over the next four years. In my opinion, delusional evangelism, as you put it. And, yes, Hegseth is also an Evangelical Christian.
Matt Gaetz, new attorney general. It's all good but, if you're in a hurry, skip to the child trafficking and teenage prostitution part. Maybe it's ok if it's not in a pizzeria?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz
America will be a basket case in 4 years time, if not before.
If you're only going on what commentators said, presumably biased ones if they're calling him the least qualified candidate of all time, you are posting first, researching later. What is the purpose of doing that? What was that line from Mediations? Stop and consider if it's necessary.
The Mathew Hopkins stuff that you're pulling on this thread non-stop, I really don't get it. I get my reaction to it even less so there you go.
Lloyd Austin was perfectly qualified, no arguments there.
Tattoos that are a Christian form of Islamophobia? Give me a break lad.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2024, 09:49:17 AMIf you're only going on what commentators said
I'm responding to you quoting what you heard from Tim fucking Pool! Get the fuck outta here.
I checked it elsewhere, he has bronze stars and Princeton degrees. You're the one coming on here, for whatever reason, to slander the man in the most half—baked, first year arts student way possible. So don't let the door hit you on the arse etc.
The commentator I was quoting was veteran Paul Rieckhoff, and I also then went to check how Hegseth's record compared to, notably, that of the sitting Secretary. By comparison, even including his two bronze stars and his two Ivy school degrees, he's under-qualified for the role. See? I'm not contesting he has bronze stars and two degrees: I'm saying he can have them and still be the least qualified in US history. And there's no slander in what I said either. If I wanted to slander him I'd be going on about stuff totally unrelated to his fitness for the role like, oh I dunno, how he must be an absolute hypocrite of an Evangelical Christian since he's been married three times, divorced twice, and it's well known that he cheated on the first two.
You're implying he's an (I'm loathe to use this dumb, made—up word) islamophobe because of his tattoos. Which is both wilfully stupid and slanderous.
1. He served at Guantanamo and defended the mistreatment of (almost exclusively Arab/Muslim) inmates there. The Islamophobic nature of the abuse and torture he is therefore de facto defending is not really contested. You can contest it if you like, but I'm not really interested in what you might have heard from Tim Pool or a cos-playing SS youtuber about the facts of the matter.
2. On top of that de facto defense of Islamophobic abuse and torture, he has two large tattoos which are an homage to the Crusades in which countless numbers of Muslim and Jewish civilians were slaughtered by "Christians."
Those two things taken together, coupled with the general anti-Muslim bent of Evangelical Christianity as a whole, imply very, very strongly that Hegseth is indeed himself an Islamophobe. A conclusion which is both willfully evidence-based and measured.
The anti-Muslim bent of evangelical Christianity? That's a stretch.
How do you know the mistreatment of prisoners who happened to be Muslim religiously motivated? Yeah, you don't. Just a convenient assumption.
You, supposedly a heavy metal fan, condemning a fella because of tattoos is fucking pathetic. A homage to the crusades? Yeah I'm sure that's why he got it, and even if he did,So what? Does every expression of loyalty to Christianity have to have some sinister undertone? You're tapped lad.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2024, 10:30:18 AMThe anti-Muslim bent of evangelical Christianity? That's a stretch.
Not a stretch at all, you're just under-informed about the true nature of Evangelical Christianity. I was raised in it. Again, I recommend the same documentary, Praying For Armageddon, for a decent introduction to the driving ideologies.
Guantanamo Bay has often been called a symbol of Islamophobia. Like I said, you can contest that if you like, but unless you've got something really concrete to challenge the reams of documented evidence which combine to point in that direction, I'm not interested.
Finally, whatever about being charitable towards the Jerusalem Cross (though I don't feel obliged to such charity), 'Deus Vult' is no more mere "expression of loyalty to Christianity" than 'Deutschland über alles' could be seen as mere expression of loyalty to Germany (though we know by precedent that you would also argue that to be the case if it meant covering your arse after being found out leaning on a Nazi as a source): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_vult
Guantanamo Bay has often been called a symbol of Islamophobia. That's it? Brilliant. A wishy washy ball of shit Sun headline from mr empirical data.Your arguments are often so piss weak, case in point the above, but you are incapable of conceding the point.
You can call Asha logos a Nazi, I disagree and consume his content regularly.
I work with a Ghanaian evangelical minister in a Muslim majority republic. The relationship between him and the locals is beyond reproach. They even made him a citizen. Same goes for his pals. I guess you know all the Islamophobic lads though.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 14, 2024, 10:57:13 AMYou can call Asha logos a Nazi, I disagree and consume his content regularly.
Don't worry: the fact you can and do argue that an openly SS worshiping, historical antisemitic canard citing, Nazi ideology quoting youtuber is not a Nazi and that you consume their content regularly are both painfully evident in your posts.
Now, back to Hegseth. From his book
American Crusade (wee clue in the title there that we're not dealing with mere "loyalty to Christianity"!): "just like the Christian crusaders who pushed back the Muslim hordes in the twelfth century, American Crusaders will need to muster the same courage against Islamists today."
The "same courage" presumably including Hegseth's will to commit war crimes, defend war crimes, demand pardons for war criminals...
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-host-says-he-supports-america-committing-war-crimes-i-dont-care-about-iranian-cultural
https://www.mediamatters.org/pete-hegseth/after-being-urged-fox-news-host-donald-trump-pardons-war-crimes
I know some individual Evangelical Christians who are not Islamophobes too. I know many, many more who are. Either way, Evangelical Christianity as a whole, especially in its GOD BLESS AMERICA variant, has an anti-Muslim
bent.
An openly SS worshipping etc etc is a nonsensical 'sentence'. Can you make a point without hyperbole? If you can find any Nazi or even Nazi adjacent posts (the true sense of the word, not the whatever-conservatives-say-is-Nazi corruption you've adopted) on this board that I've made, feel free to fire them up. Best of luck. Painfully obvious you're up to your usual bullshit.
You mean standing up to Islamists is a hatred of all Muslims? Oh right. I have as little time for war crimes as you, but you're still failing to prove, or come even close to proving he hates Muslims as you suggest. If he suggested being fine with commiting war crimes against, say, Russia, would he be automatically an Anti-Slav? Your presumptions stand up to scrutiny not at all.
If it weren't for Charles Martel and other evil Christian warriors, European civilisation may never have flourished as it did, be grateful!
We went through all this Kev: every single video of his opens with the motto of the SS. Labeling that SS worship is not hyperbole: it's description.
And what is painfully obvious from the content of your posts is just that inclination to argue against incontrovertibly concrete evidence rather than revise your priors and say to yourself, "Hmm, maybe I should actually reconsider consuming from this obviously Nazi worshiping source." It's also painfully obvious from how taken in you are by MAGA ideology, since as I've said before, so many MAGA talking points literally demand rejection of evidential reality. Which is also presumably why they're particularly easy to swallow for people who believe there is a literal Rapture, literal Antichrist, and literal Second Coming of Christ just around the corner. I.e. almost a third of the US population.
You'd like to think I'm just a mirror reflection of you, taken in by DNC ideology to the same extent, but the fact of the matter is that you know the popular liberal commentators better than I do. Sam Seder? First heard of him from you. I don't listen to him. Joe Scarborough? First heard of him from you. I don't listen to him. Rachel Maddow? First heard of her from you. I don't listen to her. But you do listen to and quote Tim Pool, Tucker Carlson, etc., full on MAGA ideologists. In fact, presumably it's through them that you know of the other side of the circus. I do my best to remain informed while staying outside of the entire brain-rotting shebang, to deal instead with the facts insofar as these are directly available, which unfortunately is not as easy to do as it should be in the information age. And imo MAGA-boy Musk is more engaged in actively filling the online domain with noise than any previous "tech-bro", making him the perfect MAGA tool, something like a super-villain version of what Surkov was to Putin.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on November 14, 2024, 09:23:35 AMMatt Gaetz, new attorney general. It's all good but, if you're in a hurry, skip to the child trafficking and teenage prostitution part. Maybe it's ok if it's not in a pizzeria?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz
He won't get it. Already reports he'll be blocked. Thankfully.
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 14, 2024, 09:26:59 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on November 14, 2024, 09:23:35 AMMatt Gaetz, new attorney general. It's all good but, if you're in a hurry, skip to the child trafficking and teenage prostitution part. Maybe it's ok if it's not in a pizzeria?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz
He won't get it. Already reports he'll be blocked. Thankfully.
As if the alternative would be any less divisive....
Who do you think Trump should have picked in his stead? Honestly now, give us a name from the republican party who you think would do a good job at that for Trump
The whole thing is some load of bollix. Half the world thinks Kamala Harris would be a good president of the US. Half the world thinks Donald Trump would be a good president of the US a second time round.
Fair depressing when taking into account the fact that their foreign policy will dictate a lot of the world's affairs for the next 4 years but potentially for far longer given what they might do.
Fuckin eejits with the left right shit and can't just see the bigger picture of a world that has so badly lost its way as to think either was preferable when it's all lobbying bullshit and the cunts that get picked run fuck all at the end of the day.
Who has been running the US while Biden has been senile, even if one thinks that's only a recent thing, who was it actually pulling the strings and throwing him up as the face of it?
Anyone answer that? I doubt it because everyone is blinded by stupid identity politics shit.
Hey it's man u v chelsea but this time it's extra spastic
This is who has been running things:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/cabinet/
For the most part not exactly household names, presumably because Biden didn't select them by pointing at his TV screen.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 14, 2024, 10:22:53 PMThis is who has been running things:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/cabinet/
For the most part not exactly household names, presumably because Biden didn't select them by pointing at his TV screen.
You
actually think Biden selected them?
And you think that just because it was something different that it had to be better? Fuck sake lad
You must be pretending to be so silly, you just have to be.
sam-brinton-during-trevor-projects-trevorlive.jpg
What you've done there is mistaken an obvious and even facile jibe at Trump for a serious comment about Biden and the inner workings of US politics.
Anyone who wants a (slanderous) laugh, check out Fox News and The Spectator contributor (among other things, such as being Meghan McCain's husband) Ben Domenech on Matt Gaetz, Trump's nomination for Attorney General:
https://thetransom.com/p/matt-gaetz-is-a-vile-sex-pest-and
Linda McMahon, celebrity billionaire, for Secretary of Education:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-taps-former-wwe-ceo-linda-mcmahon-serve-education-secretary
'Dr. Oz', celebrity multi-millionaire and known peddler of pseudoscience up to and including (for that good-dollar Evangelical crowd again) "faith healing", to run Medicare and Medicaid:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-appoints-dr-oz-key-hhs-position-new-administration
They couldn't possibly be doing any better to hasten in the era of Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho!
As I said a few posts back..a circus!
Is the Big Boss Man
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 20, 2024, 08:42:58 AMLinda McMahon, celebrity billionaire, for Secretary of Education:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-taps-former-wwe-ceo-linda-mcmahon-serve-education-secretary
Might be showing my age but after this I fully expect to see
Big Boss Man to be in charge of the justice department, Sergeant Slaughter in charge of the Army and Earthquake and Typhoon to be called up in case of Natural Disasters.
Not forgetting Money Inc. in charge of the Treasury!
British Bulldog for chief foreign diplomatic :abbath:
Ladies and Gentlemen... the Secretary for Education! :laugh:
https://x.com/UmaPaginaSocial/status/1859046044983533670
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 20, 2024, 05:14:55 PMLadies and Gentlemen... the Secretary for Education! :laugh:
https://x.com/UmaPaginaSocial/status/1859046044983533670
I just wish it was Stephanie :(
Looking at those clips, I very much agree.
Hot for teacher :laugh:
The young lads would surely be paying attention :laugh:
The absolute fucking state of all his nominees so far. Not a bit surprised though. Now there a big difference between being nominated and actually getting approved by the senate but fuck me.
I love it. He is making the whole thing far more palatable :laugh: :laugh: Absolute asshattery.
Isn't it mad how long they take in the US between the electing and the swearing in.
Gives the current lad way too much time to hamper the chances of the next lad.
Like trump makes noises about stopping the war in Ukraine and then the lads go deeper into the war in the meantime. It's all a bit silly
Was thinking the same thing myself,.it's like a they're going out of their way to make it a complete poisoned chalice for the Orange One
He has 4 years to do whatever the fuck he wants. Anything he fucks up, which will be extensive, will be on him. As he has the senate too. Dosent really matter in the long run what happens in the next two months.
I dunno, escalating the war in Ukraine could leave a pretty bad situation worse very quickly before trump even gets a chance to start pissing people off
Lindsey Graham with the bottom line on Ukraine:
https://x.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1860581239876399469
Let's be fair here now..
Did anybody actually think that any of this was for doing what's right or proper or decent or did we all know it was about profit?
It's mad how people think that propaganda is obvious in history books but not when it's happening to them now.
The yanks are just the absolute worst
After saying he would never do it Joe goes ahead and pardons Hunter not only for his current crimes but it goes all the way back to 2014 during his time with Burisma.
Probably was listening to the Cranberries
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Why hold yourself to a moral standard when it's clear nobody gives a fuck? :laugh:
Or cover yourself because very soon someone will be looking into who the big guy was that was getting all these kick backs.
Yeah, the question isn't so much why Biden used his presidential pardon to get his own son off the hook (something most parents would do) but rather why the fuck a "democracy" has such a baldly aristocratic mechanism in place at all. Ludicrous nation.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 14, 2024, 12:10:01 PMWe went through all this Kev: every single video of his opens with the motto of the SS. Labeling that SS worship is not hyperbole: it's description.
And what is painfully obvious from the content of your posts is just that inclination to argue against incontrovertibly concrete evidence rather than revise your priors and say to yourself, "Hmm, maybe I should actually reconsider consuming from this obviously Nazi worshiping source." It's also painfully obvious from how taken in you are by MAGA ideology, since as I've said before, so many MAGA talking points literally demand rejection of evidential reality. Which is also presumably why they're particularly easy to swallow for people who believe there is a literal Rapture, literal Antichrist, and literal Second Coming of Christ just around the corner. I.e. almost a third of the US population.
You'd like to think I'm just a mirror reflection of you, taken in by DNC ideology to the same extent, but the fact of the matter is that you know the popular liberal commentators better than I do. Sam Seder? First heard of him from you. I don't listen to him. Joe Scarborough? First heard of him from you. I don't listen to him. Rachel Maddow? First heard of her from you. I don't listen to her. But you do listen to and quote Tim Pool, Tucker Carlson, etc., full on MAGA ideologists. In fact, presumably it's through them that you know of the other side of the circus. I do my best to remain informed while staying outside of the entire brain-rotting shebang, to deal instead with the facts insofar as these are directly available, which unfortunately is not as easy to do as it should be in the information age. And imo MAGA-boy Musk is more engaged in actively filling the online domain with noise than any previous "tech-bro", making him the perfect MAGA tool, something like a super-villain version of what Surkov was to Putin.
Daddy's back
The (big) wife is away.
My wife pulled me off the phone, even though I was I right. Your woman should do the same before I make a spastic of you again.
MAGA MAGA MAGA. 😂😂
Come ahead.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 05, 2024, 04:20:31 PMYeah, the question isn't so much why Biden used his presidential pardon to get his own son off the hook (something most parents would do) but rather why the fuck a "democracy" has such a baldly aristocratic mechanism in place at all. Ludicrous nation.
Jesus fucking christ lad you will actually say anything to back up your ideology even when it flies in the face of anything approaching reason. So your favourite senile president has done something that bad and you're blaming the system that allows it rather than the lad who did it? I don't even think he did it btw, no more than I think he did anything else he did during his time. Somebody else did it with him as the front
He's read Chomsky, he's skipped Zinn (aw I've never heard of him!)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on December 07, 2024, 10:51:06 PMHe's read Chomsky, he's skipped Zinn (aw I've never heard of him!)
I actuality haven't heard of him!
Chomsky covered himself in shit during covid as well to the extent I could never take him seriously again despite liking him up to that point
One of the best books ever written is 'a people's history of the USA' by Zinn, a Marxist.
Quote from: astfgyl on December 07, 2024, 10:04:25 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 05, 2024, 04:20:31 PMYeah, the question isn't so much why Biden used his presidential pardon to get his own son off the hook (something most parents would do) but rather why the fuck a "democracy" has such a baldly aristocratic mechanism in place at all. Ludicrous nation.
Jesus fucking christ lad you will actually say anything to back up your ideology even when it flies in the face of anything approaching reason. So your favourite senile president has done something that bad and you're blaming the system that allows it rather than the lad who did it? I don't even think he did it btw, no more than I think he did anything else he did during his time. Somebody else did it with him as the front
"Jfc why do you blame the system instead of the man!? Btw I don't think it was the man."
Solid reasoning there.
I've consistently said I didn't think that he was of sound mind enough to be doing anything.
You tried to say he was in charge.
You now make excuses for him.
Which part of that is hard to understand?
Not making "excuses" for Biden. If he were an exceptional US president he would have made moves to clean up and corruption proof the mechanism itself. Since he is merely a very run of the mill US president he simply used it, as stands, to his own benefit in a very run of the mill way. Trump still abused it more and is likely to do so again since nothing is stopping him, certainly not non-exceptional Biden.
Keeping this as the trashfire of all US related shite, I see Shapiro and Walsh have made their elite loyalties a little too clear to their fan base with videos associating "celebration" of the UHC assassination with "the left" rather than with the absolutely across the board hatred average working (as opposed to pampered rich) Americans have for the health insurance business. Not planning on subjecting myself to the video, but a scan through the comments is interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeRnWYn-GTQ
Don't exactly know where to put this, but most of the Israel stuff is in this here trash fire thread so it may as well stay that way:
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy/artc-israel-to-close-ireland-embassy-open-up-one-in-moldova
Shame we didn't get to give her the boot.
Fuck me, Trump comes out with some shite
Canada as the 51st state and the Gulf of America all in one day. Keep it coming.
Quote from: open face surgery on January 07, 2025, 10:47:18 PMCanada as the 51st state and the Gulf of America all in one day. Keep it coming.
Could even be the 52nd or 53rd, depending on if he annexes Panama and Greenland first
How long before he ditches Elon?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 07, 2025, 10:56:42 PMHow long before he ditches Elon?
After what seems like a capitulation from Zuck today, he may try to play one against the other.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2025, 10:58:55 PMQuote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 07, 2025, 10:56:42 PMHow long before he ditches Elon?
After what seems like a capitulation from Zuck today, he may try to play one against the other.
Which is a fucking mental string of sentences to think about, but here we are
It worth revisiting the first couple of pages of this thread to compare what is going on now to the starting point. Mental indeed.
https://x.com/benshapiro/status/1876719781912453151
The only Europeans who would support this kind of rhetoric, however hyperbolic one may consider it to be, are the far right. Reform, AfD, FN, the handful of mooks in Ireland, Orban, Geert Wilders, Meloni, etc. The offensive to pull Europe into MAGA is on.
Quote from: Trev on January 07, 2025, 10:53:14 PMQuote from: open face surgery on January 07, 2025, 10:47:18 PMCanada as the 51st state and the Gulf of America all in one day. Keep it coming.
Could even be the 52nd or 53rd, depending on if he annexes Panama and Greenland first
Here's the thing, if Canada ever did become the 51st state, it would have a tonne of elcetion votes at election time, and since Canada is quite liberal, they'd probably go to the Democrats.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 08, 2025, 10:55:12 AMQuote from: Trev on January 07, 2025, 10:53:14 PMQuote from: open face surgery on January 07, 2025, 10:47:18 PMCanada as the 51st state and the Gulf of America all in one day. Keep it coming.
Could even be the 52nd or 53rd, depending on if he annexes Panama and Greenland first
Here's the thing, if Canada ever did become the 51st state, it would have a tonne of elcetion votes at election time, and since Canada is quite liberal, they'd probably go to the Democrats.
Canada is nowhere near as liberal as it use to be thanks to 9 years under dictator Trudeau. The next Canadian government will be conservative with Poilievre as PM. Still not great as he has WEF connections but anything is better than Castro Jnr.
It'll be interesting to see what impact MAGA in full swing will have on sentiment in Canada between now and the next election, end of this year?
Elections are suppose to be in October which I think may stay the same as they are doing what they did here when Leo stepped down by having someone take his place. Will be my first time voting over there so I will have to figure out how to do that from overseas.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 08, 2025, 11:20:39 AMQuote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 08, 2025, 10:55:12 AMQuote from: Trev on January 07, 2025, 10:53:14 PMQuote from: open face surgery on January 07, 2025, 10:47:18 PMCanada as the 51st state and the Gulf of America all in one day. Keep it coming.
Could even be the 52nd or 53rd, depending on if he annexes Panama and Greenland first
Here's the thing, if Canada ever did become the 51st state, it would have a tonne of elcetion votes at election time, and since Canada is quite liberal, they'd probably go to the Democrats.
Canada is nowhere near as liberal as it use to be thanks to 9 years under dictator Trudeau. The next Canadian government will be conservative with Poilievre as PM. Still not great as he has WEF connections but anything is better than Castro Jnr.
Didnt know you were over in Canada. My brother is there until June. Are they really into their pronoun business and all that stuff? The only time i hear about it is on the world of social media and not in the real world.
Did something in particular happen in July/August 2024? Looks like that was when the Conservative party started to gain and the Liberals hemorrhage support.
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 08, 2025, 02:47:29 PMQuote from: mickO))) on January 08, 2025, 11:20:39 AMQuote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 08, 2025, 10:55:12 AMQuote from: Trev on January 07, 2025, 10:53:14 PMQuote from: open face surgery on January 07, 2025, 10:47:18 PMCanada as the 51st state and the Gulf of America all in one day. Keep it coming.
Could even be the 52nd or 53rd, depending on if he annexes Panama and Greenland first
Here's the thing, if Canada ever did become the 51st state, it would have a tonne of elcetion votes at election time, and since Canada is quite liberal, they'd probably go to the Democrats.
Canada is nowhere near as liberal as it use to be thanks to 9 years under dictator Trudeau. The next Canadian government will be conservative with Poilievre as PM. Still not great as he has WEF connections but anything is better than Castro Jnr.
Didnt know you were over in Canada. My brother is there until June. Are they really into their pronoun business and all that stuff? The only time i hear about it is on the world of social media and not in the real world.
I'm not in Canada anymore I came back to Ireland in August 2020 with the intentions of going to Australia which I am still trying to get sorted :laugh:.
When I was there it was really bad for PC stuff and was my first time being out in public places where you had to watch what you said. My mate who I always stay with when I go back over has been there since 2014 and he updates me regularly on what's going on I was just talking to him on Monday.
His close mate over there who's originally from Dundalk is married to a Canadian girl who's really PC and the lads are always saying offensive shit and giving out about pronouns in front of her when they are over in the house trying to wind her up :laugh: It's more a case that a lot of Canadians are very naive they don't question things and if something is on the MSM then it must be true.
He told me over the last few months that a lot of people are now openly supporting Trump and speaking out against stuff that is going on where he is which certainly wasn't the case when I lived there. My last job I wouldn't even go into the canteen because all people did at lunch time was bitch and moan non stop about Trump while they had someone like Trudeau in charge.
You were living there, you've been back in Ireland four and a half years, you want to move to Australia, but you're hoping to vote in their next general election?
I am thinking about going to Australia, home 4 and half years and it still hasn't happened yet plus I already got a visa for there that I couldn't use due to the covid shite so now I have to go down a much longer and more expensive route to get there it's not a simple as just applying for the basic visa as you can't do that twice.
I never planned on living in Ireland again it just turned out that way due to covid fucking up my visa. Canada is also now back on the table with the Chairman gone. I have Canadian citizenship so why wouldn't I vote in the election.
If you plan on moving back to Canada come what may, fair enough. If you plan on moving back only if Canada shifts in a direction you deem opportune for you personally, well... what would you say about a Syrian with Irish citizenship who moved back to Syria but continued to vote in Irish elections saying to himself that he'd return to Ireland if and only if his remote electoral contribution helped shift things to, say, a leftist coalition Dáil?
If you mean a Syrian who did what I did in Canada. Applied for a visa, moved here legally, showed a passport in Dublin airport, supported themselves and didn't live off the local tax payers, contributed by paying taxes then jumped through every hoop put in front of them to get both PR and Citizenship then I wouldn't have anything to say to them as they earned the right to vote.
If you want to limit it to those who arrived legally and then obtained employment as rapidly as was legally possible for them, no problem. Good to know anyway. If only more of the anti-immigration Irish crowd were as open-minded as you are!
I have never once said I was anti-immigration so no idea where you pulled that from. If you stepped outside your echo chamber once in a while you would know that the majority of people have no issue with legal immigrants. Plenty of legal immigrants showed up to protests around the country over the last few years are they also part of the anti-immigration crowd because they don't agree with you?
The majority of people have no issue with immigrants full stop. The majority of the minority who (explicitly or implicitly) do have an anti-immigration stance don't tend to take the time to ask themselves whether the "foreign" individuals they're persecuting have entered the country legally or not.
Are you sure about that? Any polling I've seen it's usually a majority support for a more closed immigration policy.
May 2024: An Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll indicated that 63% of respondents supported a more closed immigration policy, 15% favored a more open policy, and 16% felt the current policy was appropriate.
May 2024: A Red C/The Business Post poll found that 75% of people believed Ireland is accepting too many refugees.
February 2024: An Irish Independent/Ireland Thinks poll revealed that 56% of respondents felt Ireland had taken in too many refugees in the past year.
There's a slight but meaningful difference between people who have "a problem" with immigrants and people who (genuinely) only have a problem with volume of immigration. I didn't word very well.
Whereas I'd say Canada is definitely more liberal than the UK and Ireland, it's still about the same mix as anywhere in the world with cities swinging more left and rural areas right. I've lived here for over 10yrs now and it was about the same as anywhere where it was kind of normal when I arrived, took the big left swing like everywhere else, then the backlash, and is now leaning more right (though still a bit more left of back home overall).
Trudeau is obviously gone now either way, but it does look like the liberals are in for what the conservatives got in the UK, a crushing defeat no matter who takes over. I don't think Canadians are super keen on the conservatives or Poilievre, but they 100% don't want the liberals anymore.
As Chris mentions though it will be interesting to see how Trump may affect the voters if his rhetoric continues. There's a small group of people who want to become the 51st state, but overall the overwhelming majority reject it strongly, including the leaders of all the major political parties. Canadians are very proud to be Canadian, and have history with the US on the independence front, so no way that is happening.
The rumours are that it's just Trump's usual clumsy business tactics, IE ask for something completely unreasonable, and then when you ask for what you actually want which would have been unreasonable before, you might have a chance of getting it. In this case all to do with trade deals and money.
Edit: for the record, I think if Trump actually does start to try and follow through on all these claims I think he ends up Luigi'd fairly quickly...
I'm genuinely surprised that the reprehensible sack of orange shit hasn't been Luigi'd starting at least half a century ago.
Bezos, Zuckerberg and Musk will all attend the inauguration and may even sit together, at the bottom of a $1 trillion wealth gravity well :laugh:
Does that mean the swamp has been drained? 😂
I think the "logic" goes that since Soros and Gates won't be there, somehow yes.
We got us a new swamp, far more rootin' and tootin' than the last one, yeehaw!
Mr Biden raised alarm about "a dangerous concentration of power in the hands of a very few ultra wealthy people," warning that "oligarchy is taking shape in America, extreme wealth, power and influence that literally threatens our entire democracy".
It's almost, almost, as if the very thing the MAGAs said they would undo was total bullshit and, instead, have done the exact opposite and the wealthy elite have actually gotten a lot more powerful 🤔
In the interests of openness, I copied the quote from RTE, or MSM Eireann if you will, so there may be a lad in a bedroom somewhere, who may have posted the actual alternative fact quote on your social media platform of choice. Does Biden actually exist? I can't keep up anymore.
As usual it's all about protecting money (be it the red or blue side). Drain the swamp me fucking hole. I do find it interesting and insane how they think trump and musk are for the little man.
On top of three above, Sam Altman (OpenAI), Shou Zi Chew (TikTok), and Sundar Pichai (Alphabet) will also be attending.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 16, 2025, 12:08:17 PMAs usual it's all about protecting money (be it the red or blue side). Drain the swamp me fucking hole. I do find it interesting and insane how they think trump and musk are for the little man.
They are for the little man's votes. Surely that must count in some way.
I've been told I'm both siding when I said one's a bad as the next, but soros and Gates and the left is the exact same digital ID as Musk and zoidberg and the right.
To quote Schwarzenegger:
"I was saved by God to make America great again."
Well, another four years of this starting now. Off we go!
Well, the world didn't end in 2016 or the 4 years after that so we'll be alright really.
I refuse to watch news anymore so hopefully I'll be spared from beholding the incontinent, bloated pig for the duration. That's the main thing, it's all so unpalatable.
Well the mask has certainly slipped ???
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/20/trump-elon-musk-salute
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/8xVnHLXsHN
Quote from: stearl on January 20, 2025, 09:30:23 PMWell the mask has certainly slipped ???
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/20/trump-elon-musk-salute
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/8xVnHLXsHN
I wonder how he'll explain that one away; he Nazi salutes the crowd and then turns and does it again to the flag. Knowing him he'll probably double down and tell people to stop being snowflakes etc, but I'm just not sure what he was trying to accomplish there. Even if he didn't mean it that way, why on earth do it?
Maybe he's not that bad :laugh:
I mean I genuinely doubt it was actually a Nazi salute, but it sure was stupid :laugh:
I was in the kitchen and the trump inauguration was playing live and it cut back to studio. Presenter asked some buck for his opinion on the speech and he goes "Reminds me of the time Father Ted gave a speech for winning the golden cleric award". :laugh:
I wait with baited breath to see what he delivers for the little man.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 20, 2025, 10:20:14 PMI wait with baited breath to see what he delivers for the little man.
Free vaccines, of course, and all RFK endorsed to win over the skeptics
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 20, 2025, 10:20:14 PMI wait with baited breath to see what he delivers for the little man.
Crypto meme coin scams!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-new-crypto-coin-sparks-ethics-concerns-2025-01-20/
So apparently Meta is blocking certain content that may be construed as being left wing (or anti Trump), just searched #democrat on IG and got a message saying 'We've hidden these search results'.
It's kind of funny reading the first page of this thread and seeing people worried about the 'far left' Facebook, Twitter, even Joe Rogan, using their platforms to influence elections.
Interesting take on it all
https://rte.social.ebu.io/XXBPOQUPMA
Quote from: ldj on January 21, 2025, 11:31:45 AMSo apparently Meta is blocking certain content that may be construed as being left wing (or anti Trump), just searched #democrat on IG and got a message saying 'We've hidden these search results'.
It's kind of funny reading the first page of this thread and seeing people worried about the 'far left' Facebook, Twitter, even Joe Rogan, using their platforms to influence elections.
Well Facebook did influence the election by censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story. It is funny to see all the complaints on here now about Facebook, Twitter etc who are just doing what they have always done which was fine for a lot of people when it benefited their side.
The Facebook thing may not last that long as it is clear Zuckerberg is only doing this as he is worried the Senate hearings will start up again which they hopefully will. Once that starts I am sure he will change his tune and be a media darling once again.
Maybe the media isn't quite as left wing as you think it is? I mean, you considered Zuckerberg and Rogan left wing 5 years ago, have they just done a complete 180...or were they always right leaning and they themselves (along with Musk) have since used their platforms to make full on fascism mainstream.
I suppose the good thing is dudebros can't act like these lads are 'anti-establishment' anymore.
5 minutes on any MSM channel across the world will clearly show you which way they lean. As for making fascism mainstream :laugh:. The old if you don't agree with me you are a fascist.
I already mentioned in my last post what I suspect Zuckerberg is up to and as for Rogan I have no idea what his intentions are I don't really care either because no doubt they are self serving. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of your post since you had no issue on here when the Hunter Biden laptop was censored and labelled as Russian disinformation. Or the fours years we got from the MSM of Russian collusion and Steele dossier which also turned out to be lies. Lies spread by the media.
One of the richest men in the world just did the Nazi salute, twice, on stage at the inauguration of the US president...how is that not mainstream? :laugh:
In Musk's case it's more the old "if you don't agree with me and you do Nazi salutes and you reply "You have said the actual truth" under bald antisemitic conspiracy theories and you support and amplify not only the AfD and Reform and the Front national but also the most pathetic toilet-bowl scraping racist liars Ireland has to offer too you are a fascist."
Quote from: ldj on January 21, 2025, 02:03:45 PMOne of the richest men in the world just did the Nazi salute, twice, on stage at the inauguration of the US president...how is that not mainstream? :laugh:
Has he said it was a Nazi salute? Did he shout Sieg Heil or White Power while he was doing it? Surely if it was a Nazi salute and he did it in this type of a public setting he won't deny what it was when asked. He's probably working on a modern version of the gas chamber now behind the scenes.
New moral code just dropped: if you don't proudly claim you did something, that means you didn't do it.
Does he need to say thats what it was?? Pretty fucking obvious what it was from looking at it
And no, he didn't deny it, just deflected
QuoteFrankly they need better tricks.The 'everyone is Hitler' attack is sooo tired
Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc.
Lemme guess, there's no war in Ukraine, because the Russians they call it a "special military operation"?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 21, 2025, 02:22:23 PMNew moral code just dropped: if you don't proudly claim you did something, that means you didn't do it.
So what then would be the point in doing it in front of all these people then denying it if that was his intention? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I am not defending Musk I have never trusted him from beginning especially when you look into his background story but unless he is suffering with some sort of mental illness I don't understand why he would have done this.
Just so we're sure we're on the same page, can you watch the full three and a half minutes of the absolute loser in question talking yesterday?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1881547272556777647
Hopefully that will remind you that he's essentially a billionaire 4chan user, replete with Pepe the Frog-worship style juvenile trolling antics: precisely the kind of person who might try to "get away with" doing two Nazi salutes in the way a schoolchild might try to get away with slipping a curse word into a question they're asking a teacher.
The only thing is that, rather than "merely" being a troll, all of Musk's other actions and public discourse are also more closely aligned with what a Nazi salute represents than they are with any Nazi-opposing positions, bearing in mind that you don't need gas chambers to be a Nazi: even the Nazi party didn't have them until towards the end of their existence.
It was clearly a Nazi salute. And there will be no repercussions as Musk answers to nobody now. He is, figuratively speaking, bulletproof.
There's a fun video on Reddit showing Elmo's gesture synced to a bunch of lads in front of swastikas doing their's and wouldn't you know it's the same thing.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 21, 2025, 02:46:46 PMbearing in mind that you don't need gas chambers to be a Nazi: even the Nazi party didn't have them until towards the end of their existence.
Sure I know that even just disagreeing with someone these days can have people calling you a Nazi. I have never had a Twitter account I can't see that video. So, basically Elon did this for a laugh?
Quote from: mickO))) on January 21, 2025, 03:04:05 PMI have never had a Twitter account I can't see that video.
You don't need a twitter account to view a public tweet.
It is asking me to sign in to see just like it does with 99% of the Twitter links I click on.
Strange, maybe a browser issue. Anyway, not exactly hard to find:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjr0tAafxxE
Musk has spent months promoting far right politics on X and just did a Nazi salute to the people, then a second one to the flag on inauguration day.
If he isn't a Nazi he's failing miserably at not actually being one.
To be fair, it's more a pair of generic fascist salutes than strictly National Socialist. As correctly pointed out, he didn't shout Sieg Heil at all, so... come on, like, he could be an Il Duce man.
It's funny the discussion about Musk and Zuckerberg being on the left or the right. Those cunts don't see things that way at all. In their eyes they're either on the side that keeps the money coming in or the side that keeps even more money coming in. They don't have any form of moral compass at all. Any of their recent statements or appearances are purely self serving to keep their popularity/visibility high to make more dolla'
Quote from: The Great Cull on January 21, 2025, 04:55:54 PMIt's funny the discussion about Musk and Zuckerberg being on the left or the right. Those cunts don't see things that way at all. In their eyes they're either on the side that keeps the money coming in or the side that keeps even more money coming in. They don't have any form of moral compass at all. Any of their recent statements or appearances are purely self serving to keep their popularity/visibility high to make more dolla'
Counterpoint: "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power," Benito Mussolini.
Musk is most certainly fascist and thus "right" in this sense, and in fact is even actively aiming to be so on a global rather than just national scale. It should be fairly clear by now that it's not merely about money for Musk at least.
Fuck all these Cunts Trump, musk ,Zuckerberg cunts, metal meeds to stand up
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It'll be an interesting if utterly head melting four years, that's for sure.
Be interesting to see if theyll keep tab on Joe Biden. Now that he's definitely out of the picture, will they bother covering up his mental decline. I honestly can't imagine how he'd do if he didn't step down and actually won.
A selection of responses to the salute from various far right figures around the globe leaves little doubt how they interpreted it:
Thomas Sewell, Australian neo-Nazi, posted the video calling it a "Donald Trump White Power moment."
Irish far-right mook Keith Woods shared it saying "Ok, maybe woke really is dead."
Andrew Torba, founder of Gab, shared it saying "Incredible things are happening already lmao."
One of the Proud Boys chapters simply captioned it "Hail Trump!"
That was right up there with that mad nazi rally shit Biden was at with the red background and the fist shaking shit.
It's entirely unsurprising that politicians will play to the crowd and what we're left with as a crowd in general are people so divided by American style identity politics crap that both sides will cheer for authoritarianism as long as it's swinging their way.
Many things never really change and all of this is one of them.
I have a mad few paragraphs from one of those tabletop covid style exercises that people say were part of the giant covid experiment but never mind all that, it's the fact that this exercise predicted exactly what would happen next after left leaning authoritarianism, that it would lead to a shift to the right leaning authoritarianism, but with extra digital ID.
It's mad stuff, I'll find out and throw it in the random though because I think it shows predictability rather than a conspiratorial master plan
I mean, who could forget how jubilant all the US maoists and stalinists were during that period of "left leaning authoritarianism"!
Quote from: Ducky on January 21, 2025, 02:58:08 PMThere's a fun video on Reddit showing Elmo's gesture synced to a bunch of lads in front of swastikas doing their's and wouldn't you know it's the same thing.
https://bsky.app/profile/lionelpage.bsky.social/post/3lgc26v4smc2y
Quote from: Don Gately on January 21, 2025, 07:22:01 PMFuck all these Cunts Trump, musk ,Zuckerberg cunts, metal meeds to stand up
Don't worry Mr. Gately, metal's got you covered ;)
For all his signed orders that played to the crowd, there was no mention of stopping funding wars or anything truly useful that I could see having a quick glance at a few trump happy accounts.
Simon Harris must have been getting his assistant to write up the message of congratulations through gritted teeth though, so at least there was something funny about it all.
And no, I don't support trump or anyone else who might have gotten themselves into the position he's currently in (because lobbying corrupts them all, imo) but I still think it's a better pick than Harris would have been.
Then again that's like asking which colour handle would you like on the knife you're about to be flayed with so it's faint praise indeed
If you look a little closer at the executive orders, you'll see that the real-world issue is how many actual human beings are going to be "flayed" with said knife.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 22, 2025, 09:40:16 AMQuote from: Ducky on January 21, 2025, 02:58:08 PMThere's a fun video on Reddit showing Elmo's gesture synced to a bunch of lads in front of swastikas doing their's and wouldn't you know it's the same thing.
https://bsky.app/profile/lionelpage.bsky.social/post/3lgc26v4smc2y
That's the one! But yep, apparently people have no idea why a dude who is actively engaging in election interference (in multiple countries) to the benefit of right wing extremists would do such a thing.
Poor Elmo is simply on the spectrum and wants to play PoE2 and Diablo 4, and we're clearly just a bunch of meanies for branding him a Nazi scumfuck 🥺🥺🥺
Tesla may or may not take over "Vorsprung durch technik" or "das auto" for their new car ads.
"Arbeit macht frei" seems more up Tesla's street.
Quote from: Don Gately on January 21, 2025, 07:22:01 PMFuck all these Cunts Trump, musk ,Zuckerberg cunts, metal meeds to stand up
Not a fucking chance of this happening.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 22, 2025, 12:52:02 PMIf you look a little closer at the executive orders, you'll see that the real-world issue is how many actual human beings are going to be "flayed" with said knife.
The illegal ones?
Oul orange head didn't like the bishop's sermon. It was nasty he said. How dare a Bishop talk about the the values of jesus christ in a sermon. And the man child wants an apology over it. :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on January 22, 2025, 05:54:50 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 22, 2025, 12:52:02 PMIf you look a little closer at the executive orders, you'll see that the real-world issue is how many actual human beings are going to be "flayed" with said knife.
The illegal ones?
The ones they plan on making illegal, yes. In either case, actual human beings.
Have a read through what the first orders were and who they'll impact (if and when implemented):
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/21/president-donald-trump-executive-orders-list
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 22, 2025, 06:08:14 PMOul orange head didn't like the bishop's sermon. It was nasty he said. How dare a Bishop talk about the the values of jesus christ in a sermon. And the man child wants an apology over it. :laugh:
Twas a powerful homily, and in a perfectly "blessed are the meek" kind of way. And fittingly enough, Trump is reacting as though he's had burning coals heaped on his head.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 22, 2025, 06:37:53 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on January 22, 2025, 06:08:14 PMOul orange head didn't like the bishop's sermon. It was nasty he said. How dare a Bishop talk about the the values of jesus christ in a sermon. And the man child wants an apology over it. :laugh:
Twas a powerful homily, and in a perfectly "blessed are the meek" kind of way. And fittingly enough, Trump is reacting as though he's had burning coals heaped on his head.
I am genuinely astounded how the religious cohort think he's their saviour. When asked what his favourite passage of the bible was he said all of it. It just goes to show anyway that most religious people are hypocrites anyway who don't really follow their religion.
On policy seen the UN general thanked trump for negotiations re gaza. I wonder what he'll let bibi do re gaza and the west bank.
Some clues on that here:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/government-defeats-opposition-bill-to-apply-israeli-sovereignty-to-west-banks-jordan-valley/
QuoteA source familiar with the matter tells The Times of Israel that National Unity supports the measure because control of the Jordan Valley is a "strategic asset" and it is certain to be part of Israel under any potential future Trump administration peace plan.
Seeing reports from a wide range of life science researchers in the US about major disruptions and shutdowns of whole swathes of activity under the NIH umbrella due to executive orders (NIH = public body responsible for all biomedical and health research). No communication about what the actual reasons are supposed to be or when and under what terms they will be able to take up again. Meanwhile, Trump has announced a $100 billion AI initiative (hello corporate tech bros!). Which also happens to be twice the annual budget of the NIH.
Edit: a write up from Science on the above:
https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-hits-nih-devastating-freezes-meetings-travel-communications-and-hiring
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 22, 2025, 06:27:30 PMQuote from: astfgyl on January 22, 2025, 05:54:50 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 22, 2025, 12:52:02 PMIf you look a little closer at the executive orders, you'll see that the real-world issue is how many actual human beings are going to be "flayed" with said knife.
The illegal ones?
The ones they plan on making illegal, yes. In either case, actual human beings.
Have a read through what the first orders were and who they'll impact (if and when implemented):
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/21/president-donald-trump-executive-orders-list
From what I've glanced at it looks like half the stuff he's signing won't stick but regarding the actual illegals, what's the point having immigration laws if it's legal to break them?
Maybe an amnesty before a certain date would be humane but the birthright citizenship thing looks to be enshrined in the constitution so that'll hardly work
QuoteState of play: He also signed an order withdrawing the U.S., the world's second-largest greenhouse gas emitter, from the Paris Climate Agreement.
Who do they answer to if they withdraw straight away? seriously that seems like one of those world debt questions as in who is the money owed to, exactly?
Anyway fwiw I don't think that a quarter of this shit will stick, given the inevitability of lengthy legal challenges
So we had not faulting Musk for doing a Nazi salute on the basis that he didn't formally state it was a Nazi salute, and now we've got not faulting Trump for what he's formally stated he wants done on the basis that he may not in the end be able to do it. Cool, cool.
Here he is threatening to withhold federal aid for the California fires unless the state of California acts on the basis of a falsehood he has in his head. But he probably won't get away with withholding federal aid, so he's blameless here too and no worse than any other president has ever been or ever could be. Am I doing this right? :D
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/22/trump-hannity-interview/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2025, 12:56:17 PMSo we had not faulting Musk for doing a Nazi salute on the basis that he didn't formally state it was a Nazi salute, and now we've got not faulting Trump for what he's formally stated he wants done on the basis that he may not in the end be able to do it. Cool, cool.
Ah would you ever give up the stupid bias. It's getting knoblike at this stage.
And here was me thinking you had enough of a brain to call a spade a spade.
Then again I just call them all shovels
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2025, 01:30:45 PMHere he is threatening to withhold federal aid for the California fires unless the state of California acts on the basis of a falsehood he has in his head. But he probably won't get away with withholding federal aid, so he's blameless here too and no worse than any other president has ever been or ever could be. Am I doing this right? :D
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/22/trump-hannity-interview/
God forbid any other government or president would do anything like that.
Same crap was said about Biden and the flood wherever it was lately. I can't remember without looking it up but they were all saying some shite about Biden trying to push their shit in that time as well.
It's all just stupid and leads to inevitable outcomes just in different coloured flaying knives for us all.
You really have to grow up a bit about this and that's me saying that while still thinking that everything you think about Trump is demonstrably true on some subliminal level.
You'd be amazed how much we agree other than the fact you think there's a better side leading us all down the exact same path
"Same crap was said about Biden" "they were all saying some shite"
You're equating baseless MAGA accusations (presumably about Helene and Milton) with baseless direct quotes from Trump. The difference is that this is not about what is said about Trump: it's about what he says and orders himself, in his own words out of his own mouth in a 100% unsubliminal manner. Namely, the worst things, worse things than any other president in my living memory. So for the umpteenth time, it's not about the DNC being "better": it's about MAGA being worse. The worst. But if you think you can find direct quotes from another recent former president threatening to withhold federal aid for a natural disaster impacting the very people he was appointed to govern on the basis of a factual falsehood, by all means please do share one of those instances.
Wait now, what's the thing that's so wrong about removing illegals from a country exactly?
We seem to have gotten a bit lost there, do we?
They are fucking illegal. How is his getting rid of them a bad thing?
Other than that, what has he even said he'd do that's so bad? I think you just have the old trump derangement syndrome. There's many reasons to dislike the cunt but I don't see how his immigration stance is one of them
Why are you back on immigration? We were just talking about his direct and quotable threat to withhold federal aid for the LA fires on the basis of a factual falsehood. That you have to keep leaping from topic to topic to defend your refusal to accept that MAGA is worse than both the DNC and the traditional GOP is not a good sign.
I can only imagine how insufferable punk lyrics have become since the emergence of Trump in politics. The idea of metal being polluted in the same way gives me the willies. Keep it Satan. Or if you insist on politics, Hitler :P
Ah I'd disagree, metal is rebellious music, in times of increasing conservatism for the benefit of billionaires, I think there's absolutely room for it if done well (would cross into cringe territory very quickly if too referential to specific people). Certainly more metal than their right wing counterparts anyway :abbath: .
I would take Ministry as a cautionary tale regarding that sort of politics in the metal.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 24, 2025, 10:14:59 AMWhy are you back on immigration? We were just talking about his direct and quotable threat to withhold federal aid for the LA fires on the basis of a factual falsehood. That you have to keep leaping from topic to topic to defend your refusal to accept that MAGA is worse than both the DNC and the traditional GOP is not a good sign.
Not a good sign of what? The first thing you said was about the inhumanity for the illegals. That was what I answered. If you're far enough gone to think one side is morally better than the other over there, well then best of luck to you with that.
A list of sponsors or top lobbyists would soon put paid to notions of one or the other being in any way actually good
Modern metal is too apathetic if anything, all the classics usually had something to say hidden within the metal tropes, what bands now actually have anything to say?
Funnily enough though, I was listening to Number of the Beast last night, and it struck me that if Maiden released Run to the Hills tomorrow they'd probably get lashed out of it for being woke or something :laugh:.
I think you'll find you mentioned "the illegals", not me astfgyl. I am paying close enough attention to conclude that "one side" will lead to worse concrete consequences for more actual human beings than the other. It's not a question of abstract notions of morality.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 24, 2025, 11:35:01 AMI think you'll find you mentioned "the illegals", not me astfgyl. I am paying close enough attention to conclude that "one side" will lead to worse concrete consequences for more actual human beings than the other. It's not a question of abstract notions of morality.
What's abstract about having immigration laws and making them stick? You are the one talking about the humane aspect of it, and I think there should be an amnesty but the laws must be enforced and it looks like that's what he's doing but in a very blunt instrument sort of way. I'm not even saying he's good or I support him but I don't see what the furore there is over the things he said he'd do, especially given that they won't work.
As for the other side, they had enough authoritarianism going for them under the guise of kindness while still being beholden to the likes of Lockheed and Raytheon and Israel, whereas he's doing the same thing just without pretending to be kind about it
The furor I suppose is that his politics intentionally sets out to paint a target on the back of regular people, it's divisive bollocks, as long as people are pissed off about immigrants, asylum seekers, transgender people, abortion rights etc no one gives a fuck about the fact his economic policies are designed to benefit a small number of elites.
All capitalist politics does this to an extent (Welfare cheats cheat us all...), people don't even give a shite about the fact they're being screwed anymore as long as they themselves have someone to look down on, he doesn't even have to mask the hatred and he doesn't have to hide the fact he's screwing his supporters, they'll support him regardless.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 24, 2025, 02:06:55 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 24, 2025, 11:35:01 AMI think you'll find you mentioned "the illegals", not me astfgyl. I am paying close enough attention to conclude that "one side" will lead to worse concrete consequences for more actual human beings than the other. It's not a question of abstract notions of morality.
What's abstract about having immigration laws and making them stick?
Abstract notions of morality refers to you hammering on about "good" and "bad" despite me endlessly repeating that I don't think the DNC are "good." When I say that Trump is the worse option, I'm referring to the net concrete consequences on human well-being of him being in power. More human beings (legals, illegals, in-betweens), including many who were hoodwinked into supporting him, will be concretely worse off under Trump than they would have been under the nevertheless not "good" DNC.
20 odd years ago, were you saying: "What's wrong with spying on and interring potential terrorists!?" I doubt it.
No I was not saying that 20 years ago. I don't get how legally in the country people will be worse off because of anything he's doing. It might turn out that way with his tariff shit but that remains to be seen. I didn't see many reports of prosperity for the majority increasing during the few years under Biden either
Immigration officers trying to raid primary schools...
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/ice-agents-showed-up-at-chicago-school-amid-heightened-concerns-of-raids/3655459/
Various reports of ICE raids on businesses and workplaces, checking for green cards, telling holders to now carry them at all times. Maybe they should get an armband made for them.
There's Pete Hegseth confirmed as Secretary of Defense, head of the Pentagon. Unreal. I can't even imagine the "left-leaning" figure you'd have to imagine the DNC giving that position to to try both sides this selection, given that I don't know of any US media figures who have hammer & sickle tattoos and have written books fantasizing about re-enacting the French revolution, guillotines and all, on US soil.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 25, 2025, 01:45:40 AMVarious reports of ICE raids on businesses and workplaces, checking for green cards, telling holders to now carry them at all times. Maybe they should get an armband made for them.
Yknow what would sort all of that in one fell swoop??
A good old fashioned digital ID!!!
Edit: this will be the trump administration version.
The Biden Road to digital ID was the vaccine passports.
Same flaying, different coloured handles on the knives
https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-investigate-musk-salute-projected-on-tesla-factory/a-71403737
Quote from: astfgyl on January 25, 2025, 12:10:41 PMThe Biden Road to digital ID was the vaccine passports.
Same flaying, different coloured handles on the knives
There was no federal-level mandate for vaccine passports in the US during COVID. There was a lot of bullshit spoken by certain quarters which you paid undue attention to, but no mandate issued by the Biden administration.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56657194
Read there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 25, 2025, 02:43:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on January 25, 2025, 12:10:41 PMThe Biden Road to digital ID was the vaccine passports.
Same flaying, different coloured handles on the knives
There was no federal-level mandate for vaccine passports in the US during COVID. There was a lot of bullshit spoken by certain quarters which you paid undue attention to, but no mandate issued by the Biden administration.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56657194
Ah lad, let's not go there. We all know how that one went, it just didn't stick because it didn't. Was a go at digital ID if you digitally had to go about proving this shite.
Now it'll be digital ID to prove you're a citizen and trump and rfk will want everyone to take as many of the shots as Biden and his handlers did.
Money is powerful. Lobbying with money is more powerful.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 25, 2025, 06:22:20 PMRead there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.
Surely they would be the last ones raided??
Not even joking but where is the logic of that? Was the source biased at all by any chance?
Quote from: astfgyl on January 26, 2025, 02:52:11 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on January 25, 2025, 06:22:20 PMRead there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.
Surely they would be the last ones raided??
Not even joking but where is the logic of that? Was the source biased at all by any chance?
I read it on yahoo news.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 26, 2025, 02:52:11 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on January 25, 2025, 06:22:20 PMRead there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.
Surely they would be the last ones raided??
Not even joking but where is the logic of that? Was the source biased at all by any chance?
They're not white = they might be foreign = they might be illegal = we better lock em up and check
Exactly. The logic is that they're racists. We're talking about the kind of people whose wet dream would be a reinstatement of the Confederacy. That's not even an exaggeration. As for the nitty-gritty:
QuoteA federal judge in Seattle on Thursday temporarily blocked the executive order seeking to end birthright citizenship, calling Trump's action "blatantly unconstitutional."
In defending the constitutionality of the executive order, the U.S. Department of Justice erroneously argued in court that Indigenous people didn't have birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment because they were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, so neither should the children of noncitizen immigrants.
"The United States' connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weaker than its connection with members of Indian tribes," DOJ argued in a filing. "If the latter link is insufficient for birthright citizenship, the former certainly is," the Trump administration argued."
The DOJ cited an 1884 U.S. Supreme Court case, Elk v. Wilkins, in which the high court decided that "because members of Indian tribes owe 'immediate allegiance' to their tribes, they are not 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States and are not constitutionally entitled to Citizenship."
But the DOJ ignored congressional action, the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, that explicitly gave Indigenous people U.S. birthright citizenship and effectively ended the rejection of citizenship that the Supreme Court had upheld four decades earlier.
https://azmirror.com/2025/01/24/reports-of-navajo-people-being-detained-in-immigration-sweeps-sparks-concern-from-tribal-leaders/
Back to good ol' 1884 we go!
What's the end-goal here for folks like this where they obviously can't be deported? Or for countries that don't take planes dumping a load of people?
Internment camps?
The mad part is that pre election, a lot of people wanted mass deportations but I suspect they were thinking more along the lines of gang members and criminals, rather than children and the illegals that have been there for decades working away and causing no hassle to anyone other than the taxman. Amnesty for the innocent would have been a far better way to go about something like this and just go hard-line on future potential illegals. There is a humanity issue there indeed, while at the same time there are immigration laws to uphold.
As usual, the centre seems to be abhorrent to government.
If the same were to happen here I wouldn't support it either, but I would support deportation of criminals and making it harder to get in here. Would not be grabbing innocent kids born here and trying to send them away like that.
That just isn't right, going about it like that, but the fact he got elected saying he would do just that shows how far gone it was in the other direction, where centrism never got a look in, either.
I'm sure there wouldn't be many on here of any persuasion who thinks that foreign criminals shouldn't be deported or immigrants who commit crimes in their host country shouldn't be packed off to wherever they came from.
That would be centrism though, which seems to be abhorrent stuff to most since about 2016. Which, tbf, is a lot of Trump's fault to begin with but the foundations of that crap were well laid before that in the US and the last administration didn't seem like they wanted to usher in a new era of centrism either and both parties only seem to be agreeable when it comes to funding the war machine whenever the chance presents itself.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on January 26, 2025, 11:44:22 AMQuote from: astfgyl on January 26, 2025, 02:52:11 AMQuote from: Ollkiller on January 25, 2025, 06:22:20 PMRead there that a lot of Navajo citizens are getting detained in these Ice raids. Oh the irony of ironies.
Surely they would be the last ones raided??
Not even joking but where is the logic of that? Was the source biased at all by any chance?
They're not white = they might be foreign = they might be illegal = we better lock em up and check
It actually does look as simple as that in this case. I try not to defend the indefensible where I can.
In terms of the notion of western democracy as a whole, the DNC is about the most centrist party one could imagine. Which is not a compliment, just a statement of fact. You keep sucking away at the kool-aid straw that says the DNC are "left-leaning" (if not outright Marxists, communists, etc.) but that doesn't make it true in any shape or form. Liberalism (in the modern sense) just is the centre in terms of "the west."
I'm extremely liberal, I just don't see that whole thing the way you do. I would think we're closer to centrism here in Ireland tbh.
Anyway, the point was that if liberalism was so abhorrent in it's current condition that the US public voted Donald Trump back in, the Liberal side would want to have a good look at that
Apart from war-mongering, what do you see as key differences between the DNC and FF/FG that make the latter more centrist?
Many actually left-leaning US citizens found it very difficult to vote for the centrist liberal war-mongering DNC in 2024. The DNC lost 6 million votes between 2020 and 2024. MAGA gained only 3 million in the same time.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 26, 2025, 03:24:25 PMApart from war-mongering, what do you see as key differences between the DNC and FF/FG that make the latter more centrist?
Many actually left-leaning US citizens found it very difficult to vote for the centrist liberal war-mongering DNC in 2024. The DNC lost 6 million votes between 2020 and 2024. MAGA gained only 3 million in the same time.
It probably does just boil down to the war mongering tbh. Good point. Although our lads were very quick with the rhetoric when it came to the Ukraine war. Never mind that they're right that Russia shouldn't be there, it's the way they went about it was like they were after an invitation into NATO
Here's a question:
If trump only deported known criminals, would that be acceptable or unacceptable to the more left leaning lads on here?
Never mind that he seems to be making a fuck of it, would you support the principle of doing that?
You've probably heard about DeepSeek and how it has sunk a huge hole in NVidia stock. Quick overview of the various dimensions of the story here:
https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/26/deepseek-gets-silicon-valley-talking/?guccounter=1
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 28, 2025, 08:57:46 AMYou've probably heard about DeepSeek and how it has sunk a huge hole in NVidia stock. Quick overview of the various dimensions of the story here:
https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/26/deepseek-gets-silicon-valley-talking/?guccounter=1
Tariffs will sort it, best tariffs ever, beautiful tariffs
Google is changing the gulf of Mexico to gulf of America.
Fuck me
Fuck google
https://x.com/i/status/1884007508731425113
Bit of fun for the thread
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 28, 2025, 03:40:30 PMGoogle is changing the gulf of Mexico to gulf of America.
Fuck me
The title of this thread may as well be a porno, as all the tech companies are queuing up to suck his little dick.
Surely there will be puns to be had here!
Californian secession is being "officially" floated as a potential ballot issue.
RFK's health secretary hearings under way:
https://bsky.app/profile/nikkimcr.bsky.social/post/3lgvdl5bdwc2r
Yeah brilliant good man.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 29, 2025, 04:21:53 PMRFK's health secretary hearings under way:
https://bsky.app/profile/nikkimcr.bsky.social/post/3lgvdl5bdwc2r
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 29, 2025, 04:21:53 PMRFK's health secretary hearings under way:
https://bsky.app/profile/nikkimcr.bsky.social/post/3lgvdl5bdwc2r
I'd love to see who they could pick as a worse health secretary. What a fucking idiot of a man. Actually Dr Nick from the Simpsons. Or would that be worse 🤔
He actually said aids wasn't caused by HIV. Fuck me.
Yeah did he though.
Isn't he an anti vaxxer who got his kids vaccinated?
Worth reading, from one of JFK's kids:
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 06:35:27 PMYeah did he though.
Yes. He did. Amongst other numpty shit relating to health. Did you think I was making it up?
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/11/15/rfk-jr-views-conspiracies-false-claims/
Quote from: Carnage on January 29, 2025, 06:36:10 PMWorth reading, from one of JFK's kids:
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"The American health system care for all its flaws is the envy of the world"
Is it fuck, love.
Still, let's just enjoy the shit show.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 29, 2025, 06:39:59 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 06:35:27 PMYeah did he though.
Yes. He did. Amongst other numpty shit relating to health. Did you think I was making it up?
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/11/15/rfk-jr-views-conspiracies-false-claims/
Also timely there to be directly reminded that these are the no more lucid than flat-earthers mooks who spear-headed the attacks on Fauci:
QuoteIn his 2021 book, "The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health," Kennedy wrote that he takes "no position" on whether HIV causes AIDS — then dedicated many pages to casting doubt on the science.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on January 29, 2025, 06:42:25 PM"The American health system care for all its flaws is the envy of the world"
Is it fuck, love.
Still, let's just enjoy the shit show.
That gave me a chuckle alright, a bit more than flawed it is.
That takedown by his cousin is absolutely brutal. And so it should be with these fucks.
I think the most vile thing from that letter is that he's involved in a lawsuit against the HPV vaccine for cervical cancer. Heineous carry one. That vaccine has saved countless lives of women around the world.
He's a real "where do you even start with this fuckstick" sort of fuckstick.
I think the cruelty others is the entire point of this incoming Donald administration.
Quote from: Ducky on January 29, 2025, 07:44:00 PMHe's a real "where do you even start with this fuckstick" sort of fuckstick.
I think the cruelty others is the entire point of this incoming Donald administration.
Yeah I'm sure he's worried about you, whoever you are, calling him a 'fuckstick' (brilliant).
What? Cruelty to others is the point of the Donald trump administration.
You realise that sounds retarded I hope?
Ah lads.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 29, 2025, 06:53:11 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on January 29, 2025, 06:39:59 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 06:35:27 PMYeah did he though.
Yes. He did. Amongst other numpty shit relating to health. Did you think I was making it up?
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/11/15/rfk-jr-views-conspiracies-false-claims/
Also timely there to be directly reminded that these are the no more lucid than flat-earthers mooks who spear-headed the attacks on Fauci:
QuoteIn his 2021 book, "The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health," Kennedy wrote that he takes "no position" on whether HIV causes AIDS — then dedicated many pages to casting doubt on the science.
Why didn't you post Josh Hawley roasting all your pals over the last four years?
Oh yeah because you outed yourself as 'hard left'.
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 29, 2025, 07:34:54 PMI think the most vile thing from that letter is that he's involved in a lawsuit against the HPV vaccine for cervical cancer. Heineous carry one. That vaccine has saved countless lives of women around the world.
Are you fuckin serious? Take off the blinkers Olly for fuck sake!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 07:56:32 PMQuote from: Ducky on January 29, 2025, 07:44:00 PMHe's a real "where do you even start with this fuckstick" sort of fuckstick.
I think the cruelty others is the entire point of this incoming Donald administration.
Yeah I'm sure he's worried about you, whoever you are, calling him a 'fuckstick' (brilliant).
What? Cruelty to others is the point of the Donald trump administration.
You realise that sounds retarded I hope?
Ah lads.
So if I'm a nobody then that makes you what,exactly? Sweet ad hominem though! Truly scintillating and original.
So tell me, Proud Boy Wonder, what is Trump doing that is fair? Cutting federal funding? Deportations? Firings? Threatening other sovereign nations with land grabs? C'mon, educate me - I say retarded things, so you must be enlightened in ways I'm not.
You sound retarded though. You make no logical points and embarrass yourself.
Shouting and screeching like my ex wife. You're embarrassing yourself, be quiet.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 08:03:10 PMWhy didn't you post Josh Hawley roasting all your pals over the last four years?
Oh yeah because you outed yourself as 'hard left'.
Never cease to find this notion of me "outing" myself as "hard left" or "socialist", etc., amusing. My political stance has been essentially the same since we first encountered each other online or in real life and I've never made any secret about it, to the point that CT even decided to subtitle one of my contributions to MI way, way back when something like "Under the Sign of the Black Marx." Though I was involved in the most recent forum event that resembled an "outing", perhaps that's where your confusion is coming from.
If there are any videos of Hawley pointing out objective lack of qualification for a given government role, good for him: no one should get away with it. Once again, you mistake me for a mirror version of yourself, except I don't have a horse in the DNC vs GOP race so don't need to make a fool of myself by defending indefensible mooks, whatever their party. I recommend it highly.
You outed yourself as'hard left' a few years ago, so all of that you've typed there means nothing.
Own it ya Fanny
If by "a few" you mean 25 or so, grand.
You're cleverer but less mouthy left lietentent DUCKY is coming.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 29, 2025, 08:59:39 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 08:03:10 PMWhy didn't you post Josh Hawley roasting all your pals over the last four years?
Oh yeah because you outed yourself as 'hard left'.
Never cease to find this notion of me "outing" myself as "hard left" or "socialist", etc., amusing. My political stance has been essentially the same since we first encountered each other online or in real life and I've never made any secret about it, to the point that CT even decided to subtitle one of my contributions to MI way, way back when something like "Under the Sign of the Black Marx." Though I was involved in the most recent forum event that resembled an "outing", perhaps k we that's where your confusion is coming from.
If there are any videos of Hawley pointing out objective lack of qualification for a given government role, good for him: no one should get away with it. Once again, you mistake me for a mirror version of yourself, except I don't have a horse in the DNC vs GOP race so don't need to make a fool of myself by defending indefensible mooks, whatever their party. I recommend it highly.
I hope you can be honest yourself. I've made you look a fool many times and I don't try to convert you. Just that you grow up.
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Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 08:17:36 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on January 29, 2025, 07:34:54 PMI think the most vile thing from that letter is that he's involved in a lawsuit against the HPV vaccine for cervical cancer. Heineous carry one. That vaccine has saved countless lives of women around the world.
Are you fuckin serious? Take off the blinkers Olly for fuck sake!
Sorry now but wtf are you on about. He has a stake in a lawsuit against the HPV vaccine.
What blinkers have I on? Or what's your actual point. Do you have one?
You read it, you posted it. Too late you realised you're talking pish.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 10:09:27 PMYou read it, you posted it. Too late you realised you're talking pish.
You're gonna have to enlighten me there bud, as I haven't a clue what you're on about. What is the pish part?
Quote from: Ollkiller on January 29, 2025, 07:34:54 PMI think the most vile thing from that letter is that he's involved in a lawsuit against the HPV vaccine for cervical cancer. Heineous carry one. That vaccine has saved countless lives of women around the world.
Aye, he's a grifting junkie clown.
Got a pardon for Jan. 6th, got himself shot dead by the cops a week later. That fuckin' country, jaysus.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/indiana-man-fatally-shot-deputy-identified-jan-6
That does remind me, do you think Iced Earth will get back together now
The following are not all necessarily causally related, but they did happen in this order:
January 20: FAA director quit/was pushed out by Musk
January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years
Meanwhile, Trump hasn't hesitated to blame the crash on DEI at the FAA in his press conference just a few minutes ago.
Imagine if Herr Trump was an ATC? He's such an incompetent FUCKSTICK (yes I know, "bRilLiAnT") there'd be a 9/11 every day of the week. Very on-brand of him to blame the darkies and wimmens.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 08:46:35 PMYou sound retarded though. You make no logical points and embarrass yourself.
Shouting and screeching like my ex wife. You're embarrassing yourself, be quiet.
You have three people asking you for answers and all you can muster in response is ad hominem attacks and non sequiturs, but I'm the one that's embarrassing myself? Whatever helps you maintain a semi, lad.
Ex-wife? You mean to say she bailed out on a right wing, misogynist, anti-women's choice fella like yourself? Well I never! Who could have predicted it...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 09:07:22 PMYou're cleverer but less mouthy left lietentent DUCKY is coming.
Yessir, reporting in for duty 🫡🫡🫡
Anyways, I'm off to paint my nails with an LGBTQ flag before I get an abortion, then chat about how Little Baby Jesus was never real. Hope your day gets better, hun xoxo.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 08:46:35 PMYou sound retarded though. You make no logical points and embarrass yourself.
Shouting and screeching like my ex wife. You're embarrassing yourself, be quiet.
This is one of the most ironic posts I've read on the internet in quite a while! Thanks for the laugh :laugh:
Kash Patel (Trump's nomination for head of the FBI). Asked if he knows who Stew Peters is [I didn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stew_Peters]. Patel answers "not off the top of my head." Senator: "You made eight separate appearances on his podcast."
Surely the FBI deserves a better liar/snake than this at its head! :laugh:
Actions of a perfectly reasonable human being...
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/immediate-assessment-of-aviation-safety/
Most empathetic human...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-site-aviation-crash-you-want-me-to-go-swimming_n_679bf21fe4b0e1faebeef7e9
Most law-abiding foreign national 🥰🥰🥰
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/
French made documentary here, but there's almost no narration at all beyond the intro, just local folk talking with French subtitles. Taking place in a small town in Pennsylvania, it follows two rival campaigns to get school commission representatives elected, Democrats and "moderate" Republicans on one side up against Christian nationalist MAGA-leaning Republicans on the other. Some of the scenes are just incredible. Notably some of them, if you kept the dialogue the same, word for word, but dressed them up to look like Muslims, people would immediately be saying it was some kind of radicalization/terrorist training group. At one point, a state representative is asked by an elderly man if he would support legislation against military-grade assault weapons being available to the public. Representative says no. Elderly man asks for a valid reason why they should be available, why someone would buy something like that. The representative for the state of Pennsylvania replies, "Hamas come to mind. Like, Hamas coming into your kibbutz. It'd be real nice to have an AR-15."
https://youtu.be/lX35yUAtWuI?si=UNyia0IrU0wpX0To
Hegseth has announced he'll be bringing Breitbart into the Pentagon press fold. Which would be the equivalent, if they were the "left-leaning authoritarians" some would like us to believe them to be, of the DNC bringing Jacobin or similar in. Something which, let me see here... has never happened.
Multiple credible reports of vast numbers of CDC and NIH web pages and resources (evidently all those deemed incompatible with MAGA doctrine) being heavily edited, gutted of content, or whole urls simply deleted.
This started being reported more or less just after this had happened:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-aides-lock-government-workers-out-computer-systems-us-agency-sources-say-2025-01-31/
It's really going to be non-stop for the foreseeable with the unprecedented ripping up of the already thin veil between the political and the corporate. I wonder if and when those who helped usher this in will in fact say... stop!
QuoteThe National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) on Saturday said it will stop e-mailing news organizations and reporters with updates about two plane crashes that occurred earlier this week.
Moving forward, the federal agency tasked with investigating transportation-related accidents and disasters said news organizations and reporters will have to follow the agency's official account on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, where "all NTSB updates about news conferences or other investigative information" will be posted moving forward.
https://thedesk.net/2025/02/ntsb-moves-plane-crash-press-updates-x-twitter/
That Mussolini quote again: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."
QuoteThe U.S. Department of Agriculture has directed agency officials to review and remove content related to climate change from its public websites, according to internal emails obtained by ABC News.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/usda-orders-removal-climate-change-mentions-public-websites/story?id=118312216
Would love love love to hear our resident right-winger justify all of Trump's shit of the last few days.
And also explain how cruelty isn't the point.
C'mon Mr. Superior Intellect, school us woke lefties on how any of the shit going down right now is good for anyone bar Trump and his cronies...
Nothing to see here...
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/01/us/politics/elon-musk-doge-federal-payments-system.html
The American Experiment is a failure.
Most stable of geniuses 🥰🥰🥰
https://www.alternet.org/trump-california-water/
World's richest man granted exclusive administrator access to the US Treasury:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/musk-rips-fraudulent-treasury-payments-reports-mount-doge-has-access-federal-payment-system
Quote"Sources tell my office that Treasury Secretary Bessent has granted DOGE *full* access to this system. Social Security and Medicare benefits, grants, payments to government contractors, including those that compete directly with Musk's own companies. All of it"
the merger of state and corporate power.......
Not looking forward to this trade war with Canada, it feels like that is just going to fuck both countries. Turning on both your neighbouring countries, and in Canada's case, one of your biggest allies, all within your first 2 weeks...
Presumably the main reason for Trump to do this is to bully both Canadian and Mexican citizens into putting MAGA-friendly leaders in power...? I don't really know about Mexico so well, but from what I've gathered there are quite a lot of Canadians who'd be all too willing to blame Trudeau rather than Trump, and I presume there's no shortage of "evidence" flying around as to why that is "in fact" the case...?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 01, 2025, 02:16:01 PMFrench made documentary here, but there's almost no narration at all beyond the intro, just local folk talking with French subtitles. Taking place in a small town in Pennsylvania, it follows two rival campaigns to get school commission representatives elected, Democrats and "moderate" Republicans on one side up against Christian nationalist MAGA-leaning Republicans on the other. Some of the scenes are just incredible. Notably some of them, if you kept the dialogue the same, word for word, but dressed them up to look like Muslims, people would immediately be saying it was some kind of radicalization/terrorist training group. At one point, a state representative is asked by an elderly man if he would support legislation against military-grade assault weapons being available to the public. Representative says no. Elderly man asks for a valid reason why they should be available, why someone would buy something like that. The representative for the state of Pennsylvania replies, "Hamas come to mind. Like, Hamas coming into your kibbutz. It'd be real nice to have an AR-15."
https://youtu.be/lX35yUAtWuI?si=UNyia0IrU0wpX0To
This is excellent.
Got a bit distracted with the mentions of "Kristy Moore" and "Tom Jones" alright though :laugh:
Trump has always been anti-trade, and has never liked the fact that Mexico and Canada both benefitted more from the NAFTA than the US did. It is why he renegotiated the agreement in his first term. He has always campaigned on that premise that trade was bad for all his elections.
AKA he's a dumb cunt and doesn't understand how trade works.
Like he's so old and senile that he'd barely qualify as a Walmart greeter.
He wants to put pressure and get Maga clones installed in both states, when he'll ease off. It's vastly more sinister than ineptitude. He's like a fake-tan Putin.
Let the gaslighting begin!
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/white-house-mexico-is-serious-canada-appears-have-misunderstood-trumps-executive-2025-02-03/
This'd be hilarious no matter who it happened to, but that said... couldn't have happened to a better bunch :laugh:
QuoteThe Proud Boys no longer have control over their own name.
Under a ruling by a Washington judge on Monday, the infamous far-right group was stripped of control over the trademark "Proud Boys" and was barred from selling any merchandise with either its name or its symbols without the consent of a Black church in Washington that its members vandalized. In June 2023, the church won a $2.8 million default judgment against the Proud Boys after the organization's former leader, Enrique Tarrio, and several of his subordinates attacked it in a night of violence after a pro-Trump rally in December 2020.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/us/politics/proud-boys.html
Has this been posted yet? Can barely keep up with these cunts.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-preparing-executive-order-abolish-department-education-rcna190205
Quote from: Ducky on February 04, 2025, 08:31:44 PMHas this been posted yet? Can barely keep up with these cunts.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-preparing-executive-order-abolish-department-education-rcna190205
The last paragraph of that article, where it outlines implementing a new system to certify teachers who embrace patriotic values and removing radicals who have infiltrated the Dept of Education. OK, so McCarthyism is back. Think like us or else.
Also seen there that FBI agents have filed a lawsuit to stop FBI agents being named as working on Jan 8th cases. The FBI supposedly handed over 5000 names to the DOJ that worked on various said cases. A lot of these agents are just posted to a case. Mental stuff.
May as well have a giant, neon sign flashing "McCarthyism" at the rate they're going for sure.
You'd have to wonder does the hamster working the controls in this clown's head ever get a day off?
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-us-will-take-over-gaza-strip-2025-02-05/
This was expected. It's exactly why the worst of Israel (Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Bibi) were wetting themselves at the mere prospect of Trump winning. What I found maybe more interesting is how casually, impassively, he describes consequences in a way that makes it so clear that war crimes were committed, describing Gaza as "a pure demolition site," "a pile of rubble," etc.
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 04, 2025, 10:07:50 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 04, 2025, 08:31:44 PMHas this been posted yet? Can barely keep up with these cunts.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-preparing-executive-order-abolish-department-education-rcna190205
The last paragraph of that article, where it outlines implementing a new system to certify teachers who embrace patriotic values and removing radicals who have infiltrated the Dept of Education. OK, so McCarthyism is back. Think like us or else.
Also seen there that FBI agents have filed a lawsuit to stop FBI agents being named as working on Jan 8th cases. The FBI supposedly handed over 5000 names to the DOJ that worked on various said cases. A lot of these agents are just posted to a case. Mental stuff.
Unsurprising that there is a swing in the direct opposite direction considering how schools have been pushing their own nutty ideologies in recent years over there. I think it is preposterous of Trump to go bull at a gate, but what would you expect from him. Probably would have been good to see a reining in of stuff like diversity hires, gender pronoun silliness and whatever other "progressive" crap was being peddled in schools over there. But this is not the answer.
The politics of revenge and petty grievances is no good.
I've still never seen much in the way of concrete demonstration that DEI was leading to people getting jobs they weren't qualified for. Sure, it's something that's been said a lot, but you almost never see any kind of concrete evidence for it. And given that most of Trump's top ministerial choices are unqualified, you have to realize that attacks against DEI really were never about whether those employed were qualified or not, i.e. the only thing that actually matters. A highly decorated four-star African-American general has just been replaced by a TV personality as Secretary for Defense and head of the Pentagon. Because he's a (white) Christian nationalist. That's the kind of de facto DEI that's dangerous and worrying.
Yes, it's insane. A massive over correction that will lead god knows where. But this is what the people voted for en masse, so people over there are unhappy with whatever the Democrats were up to the past few years. I mean, to vote himself back in despite all of the chaos and divisiveness he brought with him, or exposed, last time doesn't reflect brilliantly on the left. Both sides have sunk themselves into two quite different pools of shit.
There is no left in the US. The Dems are pretty much exactly aligned with FFG, so centre-right economically with a sprinkling of cultural liberalism designed to distract more than anything else. Distract those for it and those against it equally, that is. There's a vanishing minority any of it makes a blind bit of concrete difference to, while the real ball, the things that make a real difference to everyday quality of life, are pushed into the background, by the Dems to do the minimum necessary to keep as many people as possible docile, by MAGA so that they can get away with their own economic and cultural social engineering. Just like the Satanic Panic of the late 80s/early 90s™, except that this time round one party has decided it's in their favour to promote what MAGA are calling "Satanism"/"Marxism" (synonyms in the US anyway).
Not much into politics but all this strikes me as a bizarre version of the movie Big come to life, where an adolescent gets trapped in the body of a President, then sets about doing the kind of 'zany and hilarious' antics you would expect from a 12 year old boy.
I have to wonder if that's part of the plan. As in, look, he's zany and hilarious, when in fact he's one of the biggest threats to global stability.
Now they're rowing back on Gaza going. Oh the president didn't mean they'd leave permanently. Oh no no no. What gave you that silly idea. A bit of rebuilding. No troops, not at all.
What's Musks gain from access to government databases. Just to get inside knowledge to win bigger contracts. Or is he thinking a lot bigger.
The orange cunt is like the ultimate conclusion to "Kicking Bishop Brennan Up The Arse".
What an insufferable sack of excrement.
Fun...
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1iijowa/flag_flown_upside_down_as_sign_of_distress/
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 05, 2025, 08:45:13 PMOr is he thinking a lot bigger.
Chap wants to terraform Mars. Can't get much bigger than that! He even banged on about it at the inauguration. He'd probably happily allow half the world's population to starve or die of disease if it meant he had enough resources to plow ahead with that truly ludicrous idea.
Maybe it's from my interest in sci-fi, but I believe terraforming Mars will happen at some point and someone has to be the one with the drive, and finances, to get the ball rolling. But yes, he would gladly sacrifice half the world's population to do so.
Ironically, if he did wipe out half of the Earth's population then we wouldn't have to go to Mars. Humanitarian crisis on a global scale, perhaps. But think of all the extra elbow room. Kill em all*, Elon!
*the ones from the shithole countries. Cheers.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 06, 2025, 07:56:30 AMMaybe it's from my interest in sci-fi, but I believe terraforming Mars will happen at some point
It may well happen at some point, but not in Musk's lifetime imho
Quote from: Ducky on February 05, 2025, 06:32:42 PMI have to wonder if that's part of the plan. As in, look, he's zany and hilarious, when in fact he's one of the biggest threats to global stability.
Worth revisiting this Adam Curtis extract drawing a line between the Surkov/Putin population control strategy and MAGA's strategies, pretty much the same now as they were in 2016 but supercharged by Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTmSUhkIuNg
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 06, 2025, 09:48:23 AMQuote from: Emphyrio on February 06, 2025, 07:56:30 AMMaybe it's from my interest in sci-fi, but I believe terraforming Mars will happen at some point
It may well happen at some point, but not in Musk's lifetime imho
No, it certainly won't happen that soon but I'm sure he has plans to be cryogenically frozen, or probably something more technological, to be revived if/when it does happen.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 06, 2025, 12:05:54 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 05, 2025, 06:32:42 PMI have to wonder if that's part of the plan. As in, look, he's zany and hilarious, when in fact he's one of the biggest threats to global stability.
Worth revisiting this Adam Curtis extract drawing a line between the Surkov/Putin population control strategy and MAGA's strategies, pretty much the same now as they were in 2016 but supercharged by Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTmSUhkIuNg
Yeah thought of this alright! I know any time I open Reddit I have the feeling of "what now?". The goalposts seem to move by the hour, it's insane really.
Someone needs to put a hollow point in the back of this cretin's skull ASAP.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-national-prayer-breakfast-30ff6f55a2e3c7b8643a15e7b158537d
Wild.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on January 29, 2025, 07:56:32 PMQuote from: Ducky on January 29, 2025, 07:44:00 PMHe's a real "where do you even start with this fuckstick" sort of fuckstick.
I think the cruelty others is the entire point of this incoming Donald administration.
Yeah I'm sure he's worried about you, whoever you are, calling him a 'fuckstick' (brilliant).
What? Cruelty to others is the point of the Donald trump administration.
You realise that sounds retarded I hope?
Ah lads.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/08/world/africa/usaid-africa-trump-musk.html
Ah lads.
Really working hard for the most pressing interests of the average American. Embiggening the brain spoons to own the libs.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjM5p8uWsAAmI4T?format=jpg&name=large)
Great. Tons much plastic waste for no reason whatsoever. Such a clem of a lad.
Considering he loves sexually abusing women and wants to fuck his daughter, this one is interesting.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/trump-nasa-purge-mentions-women
If he though all space stuff was like the end of Moonraker he would have no issues
That plastic straw bullshit (please please god do something like make it so you can have a plastic straw if you show digital ID and watch the "freedom" crowd walk right into that one!) and the fact that many are celebrating the idea just shows how reactionary his re-election actually was. In general I've become pretty bored with the whole thing (took a while, i know!) but I watched a video last night of a democrat senator pointing out some highlights from musks spending audit on USAID and it's fuckin eye watering the level of corruption and pocket lining involved.
Could post the video here if anyone likes but don't want to get into the whole one v the other side thing except to say I would fucking love to see something similar done here with an actual real proper audit of what the fuck the government has been doing with our money and who is reaping the benefits of that.
Twas mad shit, but then again I did try to promise myself to look at the silliness of Irish politics once that election was done and there really could be a damning light shined on an awful lot of it.
Are you sure you're not thinking of Senator John Kennedy, a Republican rather than a Democrat? If there is a Democrat senator who did so too, please do share as that'd be more interesting.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 10, 2025, 02:52:50 PMAre you sure you're not thinking of Senator John Kennedy, a Republican rather than a Democrat? If there is a Democrat senator who did so too, please do share as that'd be more interesting.
I'll have a look again I think I bookmarked it. If it is a republican well then I was just wrong about that part. Fuck it sure let's find out...
https://x.com/SharpRhondaK/status/1888287345239290179?t=hk9xiObd25ctof5w00jAbA&s=19
Well is he Democrat or republican? Is that the lad you had in mind?
I honestly haven't a clue who he is but was under the impression he was Democrat when I was watching it last night.
Look, if I'm wrong I'm wrong I'll just take the inevitable L that comes with being partisan sooner or later.
Anyway I'd love to see Ireland being out through similar scrutiny whether I'm right or wrong about his allegiances.
Yah, that's Republican Senator John Kennedy. I'm sure there was waste at USAID, as there is pretty much everywhere, but it seemed pretty clear to me that yer man had just chosen stuff that sounds worse than it actually is to certain ears. At one point he simply said that money had gone to "organizations in Gaza" on the clear assumption that everyone whose attention he wanted to get would automatically think Gazans don't deserve aid. Also not everything he claims Musk uncovered, in trying to justify Musk's actions, was actually uncovered by 'DOGE' at all, like the $10 million that ended up in Al Nusra's pockets, which has been known about for ages and someone was already charged for last November:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/nov/22/usaid-paid-meals-went-syrian-terrorists/
Oh I only saw that one clip and dunno why I thought it was a democrat then. My mistake. Of course any republican would say what he's saying and I only thought it carried any weight because I thought it was coming from the other side.
Ah like I said, governments everywhere tax us and steal the profit but I just got that one wrong, obviously
Understandable: he does that whole superficial southern gentleman shit of being effusively polite, calling the Democrats his "colleagues" and "friends", etc. But his game is pretty limpid: justify putting a snake in the hen house by listing the few bad, or perhaps just unstandardly shaped, eggs the snake, who's still in the hen house, found.
Aye that's fair. As I says, we have enough shit of our own here it just doesn't seem to be as headline worthy for the most part but surely as bad as anything they'd find over there. I think they've just found their own bike shed and that will soon die down too, tbh, just like ours did
This is the ad Kanye placed during superbowl this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eR--0vYHGc
In it, he just tells people to go to his website, yeezy.com
Which currently has one single item of content: a white t-shirt with a black swastika on it for sale. Or maybe it's a black "my heart goes out to you" symbol.
While there's a lot of competition, I think he is the biggest gobshite walking the planet currently.
He definitely fuckin isn't. He's mental and not actually murdering people.
This whole Superbowl thingy is become more Eurovision like every year, what a farce.
Everything is a fucking transaction for this "businessman".
https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-demands-500b-in-rare-earths-from-ukraine-for-support/
Quote from: open face surgery on February 11, 2025, 10:59:41 AMHe definitely fuckin isn't. He's mental and not actually murdering people.
Not all gobshites are murderers and not all murderers are gobshites, I'd argue.
Quote from: Ducky on February 11, 2025, 12:43:42 PMEverything is a fucking transaction for this "businessman".
https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-demands-500b-in-rare-earths-from-ukraine-for-support/
Hold up there wokeling! Politico might be deemed even more "obscure" than the deep underground Marxist sources that already riddle this thread, such as the AP, Reuters or, god forbid, Channel 4. You're better off going with something more mainstream and reliable, y'know, like Fox News, or this absolute bastion of balance:
https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/us-news/trump-says-ukraine-has-essentially-agreed-to-allow-the-us-access-to-500b-in-rare-earth-minerals/
A gobshite that is murdering people outscores a gobshite that isn't in my book.
I'd consider someone like Trump or aul Benjamin to be way more sinister, and therefore past gobshite territory, than the aforementioned gobshite. He is merely a gimp.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 11, 2025, 01:00:32 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 11, 2025, 12:43:42 PMEverything is a fucking transaction for this "businessman".
https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-demands-500b-in-rare-earths-from-ukraine-for-support/
Hold up there wokeling! Politico might be deemed even more "obscure" than the deep underground Marxist sources that already riddle this thread, such as the AP, Reuters or, god forbid, Channel 4. You're better off going with something more mainstream and reliable, y'know, like Fox News, or this absolute bastion of balance:
https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/us-news/trump-says-ukraine-has-essentially-agreed-to-allow-the-us-access-to-500b-in-rare-earth-minerals/
This wokeling is now a wakeling :laugh:
I take it Janet didn't buy any Trump Coin...
QuoteWe should never be just giving money away. Joe and his family used our money to enrich themselves.
America's favourite (checks notes) unelected foreign citizen...
https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-major-social-security-warning-fraud-billion-week-lost-2029244
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 11, 2025, 04:12:06 PMI'd consider someone like Trump or aul Benjamin to be way more sinister, and therefore past gobshite territory, than the aforementioned gobshite. He is merely a gimp.
I hear ya. I get plenty of entertainment from Kanye, with a clear conscience, so I've got his back 😄
https://news.sky.com/story/kanye-wests-yeezy-online-shopping-platform-taken-down-over-swastika-t-shirts-13307276
Quote from: Ducky on February 11, 2025, 05:37:04 PMAmerica's favourite (checks notes) unelected foreign citizen...
https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-major-social-security-warning-fraud-billion-week-lost-2029244
Everything is "There's so much fraud. Everywhere". But when you ask or evidence it's not forthcoming.
When in the real world there is always a small bit of fraud in relation to social security. But it's nowhere near what he's claiming. I'd be nervous if I was on disability benefit over there.
Quote from: open face surgery on February 11, 2025, 06:10:57 PMQuote from: Emphyrio on February 11, 2025, 04:12:06 PMI'd consider someone like Trump or aul Benjamin to be way more sinister, and therefore past gobshite territory, than the aforementioned gobshite. He is merely a gimp.
I hear ya. I get plenty of entertainment from Kanye, with a clear conscience, so I've got his back 😄
https://news.sky.com/story/kanye-wests-yeezy-online-shopping-platform-taken-down-over-swastika-t-shirts-13307276
I think you should get a pair of these. I bet you'd look swell.
https://ie.sportsdirect.com/yeezy-450-sneakers-125806#colcode=12580618
:laugh:
:laugh: Quite literally mental illness as a shoe.
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 11, 2025, 06:40:08 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 11, 2025, 05:37:04 PMAmerica's favourite (checks notes) unelected foreign citizen...
https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-major-social-security-warning-fraud-billion-week-lost-2029244
Everything is "There's so much fraud. Everywhere". But when you ask or evidence it's not forthcoming.
When in the real world there is always a small bit of fraud in relation to social security. But it's nowhere near what he's claiming. I'd be nervous if I was on disability benefit over there.
I can almost see Trump saying "yes, the best" when asked for the proof. The place is bad enough in terms of social security as it is, but this is into "genuinely bricking it, lads" territory.
Had to double check this wasn't The Onion...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161
Quote from: Ducky on February 11, 2025, 08:35:56 PMHad to double check this wasn't The Onion...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161
That's a parody right?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Ah, to be fair, he does still deliver.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 11, 2025, 09:16:30 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 11, 2025, 08:35:56 PMHad to double check this wasn't The Onion...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161
That's a parody right?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on February 11, 2025, 09:16:30 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 11, 2025, 08:35:56 PMHad to double check this wasn't The Onion...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161
That's a parody right?
The sponsor is a Republican named Earl "Buddy" Carter, so probably not :laugh:
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 11, 2025, 06:40:08 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 11, 2025, 05:37:04 PMAmerica's favourite (checks notes) unelected foreign citizen...
https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-major-social-security-warning-fraud-billion-week-lost-2029244
Everything is "There's so much fraud. Everywhere". But when you ask or evidence it's not forthcoming.
When in the real world there is always a small bit of fraud in relation to social security. But it's nowhere near what he's claiming. I'd be nervous if I was on disability benefit over there.
Sure we have our own enthusiasts here on the matter too - Exhibit A below.
Maybe Varadkar can do a team up while he's lecturing in Harvard :-\
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWdCroKnE1gA-v9EESuxv-Vq5qy61mHbvOtL6w77I3KatiKEkbZrJsX4dx&s=10)
Funny how these religious MAGA FUCKSTICKS are "vaccines = bad", but are tickety-boo with a heart transplant. The dissonance is spectacular.
https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/jd-vance-relative-unvaccinated-religion-34669521
Big JD doesn't understand how vaccines work and, now that RFKJR is in, it's time to open a polio boot factory and get all the $$$$.
Actually, can JD really be trusted now that he is under the control of the Covid "vaccine" nanobots?
Quote from: astfgyl on February 10, 2025, 10:50:10 PMAye that's fair. As I says, we have enough shit of our own here it just doesn't seem to be as headline worthy for the most part but surely as bad as anything they'd find over there. I think they've just found their own bike shed and that will soon die down too, tbh, just like ours did
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/2025-02-13/speech/15/
I was going to say "well....." but I didn't realise they'd actually just start copying the nonsense :laugh:
Sharon Keogan in the Seanad asking for the plastic straw craic. Just lol.
Oh ffs, here's my saying an oul independent (US one is fairly politically biased, I'd imagine, but let's take the idea in the spirit of bike sheds and children's hospitals etc) audit of government waste might be an idea we could take up here in good faith and what do we get only some shite about plastic straws when we've all surely gotten used to the paper ones by now. There have to be better things that a bit of inspiration could be taken from. Ahhhh well..
I suppose it looks like there might be a bit of hope of some sort of ceasefire or something in Ukraine anyway (although how favourable that would be other than Ukraine getting all their territory back for simply not joining NATO remains to be seen) and I suppose if it puts a stop to the deaths for any length of time that'd be good.
Looks like the tariff idea is going to hurt a few pockets over there though in the near future.
Have been watching CNN this morning and that's what I've gotten from around an hour of it
A poignant allegorical parallel of everything that is happening over there at the moment:
QuoteA bald eagle in Massachusetts had to be euthanized after it showed signs of neurological deficits and tested positive for bird flu.
https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/02/bald-eagle-killed-after-testing-positive-for-bird-flu-in-massachusetts.html
This'll end well...
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/02/kennedy-rfk-antidepressants-ssri-school-shootings/
Worth a listen to all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btdY7eFvlNM
Sanders and AOC seem to be the only two sane American politicians.
Damn woke red heads at it again. That'll learn 'em.
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/julianne-moore-donald-trump-bans-book-freckleface-strawberry-1236310153/
Interesting analysis here, all the more interesting through the lens of what's happened in the 3 months since it was recorded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
All that worry about Reset seems to have allowed Reboot to slip by unnoticed. Think I made the modest suggestion a few months ago on here that folk display at least as much skepticism wrt Musk & Co as they did wrt Gates & Co.
They absolutely should be as skeptical of Musk as Gates, or indeed any other multi billionaire exerting their influence on public policy. There's no way in my mind that one is better than the other or will lead to less digital ID tied to conformity to private interests. Probably won't watch any more videos about any of it though, having made up my mind about that sort of thing long before I became the far right.
Musk isn't "exerting his influence on public policy." He's been given carte blanche to get away with whatever the hell he wants by being granted seemingly unfettered executive control to punish and even cripple departments who were justifiably investigating his businesses.
QuoteThe Trump administration has pressured Romanian authorities to lift travel restrictions on the self-described misogynist influencer Andrew Tate, a champion of the US president who is facing criminal charges in Bucharest.
...
Tristan Tate boasted on X in November about the brothers' role in the US election, claiming that "millions of young men in Europe and the USA have a healthy rightwing approach to politics that they would NOT have if Andrew Tate had never appeared on their phone screens".
https://www.ft.com/content/3f951e0b-a9cb-489a-be89-fdf9f996ed27
"a healthy rightwing approach to politics" as per a man who stands accused of grooming and trafficking minors. If you combine US-brand Christian Nationalism à la Hegseth, etc., with the misogynist sex-trafficking culture of the Tates, what do you get if not The Handmaid's Tale?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 17, 2025, 01:28:37 PMMusk isn't "exerting his influence on public policy." He's been given carte blanche to get away with whatever the hell he wants by being granted seemingly unfettered executive control to punish and even cripple departments who were justifiably investigating his businesses.
I might be wrong again but I did see something to the effect that all of this crap he's at this minute is legal because of things passed during Biden and Obama years? I wouldn't believe for a minute that it would be done fairly or without political bias or without it somehow suiting his own business agenda though. He will want some sort of return on his 44 billion investment for sure. I still don't think it's worse than Gates and the WHO but I certainly don't think it's any better in any way either. This shit and him buying his way in seems like a peak of some sort though, a bit more brazen than what we've seen before, perhaps
If you think you might be wrong, try to verify it before repeating it.
Honestly man, I just can't be arsed with putting the time into verifying it all when there's a chance you might just know the answer and school me it'd be way handier. I'm so thoroughly disappointed with everything everywhere these days that I don't even have a favourite and nothing surprises me as to whether what I read or hear is just pure rubbish anymore. I just don't have the heart for winning the odd oul pawn in the eternal chess
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 17, 2025, 02:42:17 PMQuoteThe Trump administration has pressured Romanian authorities to lift travel restrictions on the self-described misogynist influencer Andrew Tate, a champion of the US president who is facing criminal charges in Bucharest.
...
Tristan Tate boasted on X in November about the brothers' role in the US election, claiming that "millions of young men in Europe and the USA have a healthy rightwing approach to politics that they would NOT have if Andrew Tate had never appeared on their phone screens".
https://www.ft.com/content/3f951e0b-a9cb-489a-be89-fdf9f996ed27
"a healthy rightwing approach to politics" as per a man who stands accused of grooming and trafficking minors. If you combine US-brand Christian Nationalism à la Hegseth, etc., with the misogynist sex-trafficking culture of the Tates, what do you get if not The Handmaid's Tale?
Andrew, do you know my pals Jeffery and Ghislaine? The best people. And they could get you the best people. You'd have got on.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 17, 2025, 04:45:24 PMHonestly man, I just can't be arsed with putting the time into verifying it all when there's a chance you might just know the answer and school me it'd be way handier. I'm so thoroughly disappointed with everything everywhere these days that I don't even have a favourite and nothing surprises me as to whether what I read or hear is just pure rubbish anymore.
In the case of what you said, I don't actually know. I do know it was during Biden's mandate that the supreme court (which is nevertheless very much Trump's supreme court) granted the president almost limitless immunity, etc., so maybe it was something to do with that..? But again, that was Trump's handiwork which just happened to go through during Biden's term and the latter couldn't do anything to stop it beyond criticize it as a move. Which, in fairness, the doddering disingenuous prick did.
This doesn't really fit anywhere. Not even in reality.
QuoteJewish man mistakes two Israeli tourists for Palestinians and opens fire on them in Miami
Victims reportedly posted 'death to Arabs' on social media after shooting while suspect held on attempted murder charges
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/17/miami-shooting-israeli-men
:laugh: fucking muppetry.
Didn't Andrew Tate become a Muslim or at least pretend to become a Muslim a few years ago? Which just makes the whole thing weirder.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 18, 2025, 12:23:36 AMThis doesn't really fit anywhere. Not even in reality.
QuoteJewish man mistakes two Israeli tourists for Palestinians and opens fire on them in Miami
Victims reportedly posted 'death to Arabs' on social media after shooting while suspect held on attempted murder charges
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/17/miami-shooting-israeli-men
Sounds about right for today's world.
Actually, I think Tomorrow's World on the BBC back in the day would have been a lot bleaker had they actually predicted the world of today back then!
As if further proof was needed that this fella is one of the dumbest cunts to ever draw breath...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-ukraine-should-never-have-started-it-remarks-war-russia-rcna192710
Quote from: Ducky on February 19, 2025, 12:00:34 AMAs if further proof was needed that this fella is one of the dumbest cunts to ever draw breath...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-ukraine-should-never-have-started-it-remarks-war-russia-rcna192710
Mental stuff it really is, wtf has Putin got on him? Everytime I look for reasoning that's the only thimg I can come up with.
Personally I think it's more that they're two of a kind, same or similar vision of the world. Trump wants his slice of Ukraine, Putin wants his, neither of them give a flying fuck about the Ukrainian people, or any normal people anywhere beyond what they can get out of them.
Quote"Let's be clear about why he wants these mineral rights. This is just about the billionaires that he serves that can make a ton of money in Ukraine if they are taking those minerals out of the ground and selling them globally for a profit. It's consistent with the way that Trump operates."
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3liimyrpalj2o
Trump has tried to destabilise Europe since even before day 1 of his first term. We are competition to the USA in his eyes. There is no "special relationship" when he is in power. Everyone is an opponent to be beaten. The support of Brexit and every other despot is to weaken the EU and weaken Europe as a whole. It's time for Europe to stop expecting to suckle at the teat of the US. That tit is dry and only gives dust now.
QuoteThe U.S. Department of Agriculture said Tuesday that, over the weekend, it accidentally fired "several" agency employees who are working on the federal government's response to the H5N1 avian flu outbreak.
The agency said it is now trying to quickly reverse the firings.
...
On Friday, the administration tried to notify some nuclear safety employees who were fired last week that they are now due to be reinstated — but struggled to find them because they didn't have their new contact information.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/usda-accidentally-fired-officials-bird-flu-rehire-rcna192716
The White House has been occupied by 4chan.
Quote[Official] White House [Twitter account] posts video of immigrants in shackles, calls deportation footage 'ASMR'
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/18/white-house-x-immigrants-deportation-shackles-asmr-video.html
Quote from: The Heretic on February 19, 2025, 06:23:30 AMQuote from: Ducky on February 19, 2025, 12:00:34 AMAs if further proof was needed that this fella is one of the dumbest cunts to ever draw breath...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-ukraine-should-never-have-started-it-remarks-war-russia-rcna192710
Mental stuff it really is, wtf has Putin got on him? Everytime I look for reasoning that's the only thimg I can come up with.
I don't think he has anything, just typical rapist behaviour blaming the victim. Plus he's already spent the last five decades or so proving that no laws apply to him.
I agree with BSC's read on the previous page. This scrote looks up to Putin and wants to pillage everything and everyone he can for his own gain.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 19, 2025, 10:55:06 AMThe White House has been occupied by 4chan.
Quote[Official] White House [Twitter account] posts video of immigrants in shackles, calls deportation footage 'ASMR'
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/18/white-house-x-immigrants-deportation-shackles-asmr-video.html
And the ground-level atmosphere and consequences created by normalization of the above kind of in-your-face dehumanizing cruelty:
QuoteJocelynn Rojo Carranza ended her life after enduring months of bullying from her sixth-grade classmates, who targeted her over her family's immigration status—with some even threatening to report them to ICE.
Jocelynn's classmates allegedly told her that once her family was deported, she would be left all alone in the U.S., per media reports. There is no suggestion that the Carranza family were living in the U.S. illegally.
...
Gainesville Intermediate School was aware that Jocelynn Rojo Carranza was facing relentless bullying, with classmates taunting her about being abandoned if her parents were deported. The harassment became so severe that she met with a school counselor several times a week. However, her family was repeatedly not informed about the situation.
Marbella Carranza [...] only learned of her daughter's bullying after her passing
https://www.newsweek.com/texas-schoolgirl-suicide-bullied-ice-immigration-2033043
Unknown territory time yet?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14413903/Trump-modestly-successful-comedian-Zelensky-spending-terrible-job.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14413903/Trump-modestly-successful-comedian-Zelensky-spending-terrible-job.html)
Trump calling Zelensky a dictator really is unhinged. Then again, the MAGAts are big on self-projection.
Quote from: Ducky on February 19, 2025, 04:41:21 PMTrump calling Zelensky a dictator really is unhinged. Then again, the MAGAts are big on self-projection.
"A multiple bankrupt, mushroom dicked, porn star f*cker" as a potential comeback?
My heart is fucking breaking for the Ukrainian people. It's all just so depressing. I can see a US withdrawal from NATO on the cards and a subsequent invasion of Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania to follow in the coming years.
Quote from: The Heretic on February 19, 2025, 04:47:14 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 19, 2025, 04:41:21 PMTrump calling Zelensky a dictator really is unhinged. Then again, the MAGAts are big on self-projection.
"A multiple bankrupt, mushroom dicked, porn star f*cker" as a potential comeback?
Don't forget 34 times convicted felon!
So is this EO basically declaring himself king?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/ensuring-accountability-for-all-agencies/
Edit - he referred to himself as a king on Truth Social. What a fucking timeline to exist in.
QuoteThink of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn't be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and "TRUMP," will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe's money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn't Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us — We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is "MISSING." He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden "like a fiddle." A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only "TRUMP," and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelenskyy probably wants to keep the "gravy train" going. I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died – And so it continues.....
Even Newsweek fact-checked this propaganda drivel, though even at that not nearly all of it [e.g. Zelensky's approval rating in Ukraine is actually higher than Trump's in the US, Ukrainian constitution dictates that elections can't be held under martial law, etc.]:
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-trump-says-usa-spent-350-billion-ukraine-2033333
Is this referring to himself in all caps and quotation marks, "TRUMP", a new thing?
Quote from: Ducky on February 19, 2025, 05:59:46 PMEdit - he referred to himself as a king on Truth Social. What a fucking timeline to exist in.
A quote which was then promptly shared by The White House's official twitter account along with a faux painting of Trump wearing a crown on the cover of a TIME-esque magazine cover instead titled TRUMP with the caption LONG LIVE THE KING. There can be no doubt anymore that, whatever it was worth to begin with, the constitutional core of the US is compromised.
If it didn't have such international effects, I'd completely ignore what happens in America. If you let it, it's infuriating. I'm not a proponents of murder, but there's no denying the world would be a better place if someone took Trump out.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 20, 2025, 08:25:09 AMIf it didn't have such international effects, I'd completely ignore what happens in America. If you let it, it's infuriating. I'm not a proponents of murder, but there's no denying the world would be a better place if someone took Trump out.
I'm honestly surprised no one has taken another shot at him yet, surely it's only a matter of time
Even I'm surprised at this level of shite from the lad. What the fuck is he playing at there?
Only thing I can think is that they want to carve up the resources in the area between the us and Russia and fuck the Ukrainians one way or the other.
The only acceptable deal as I'd have seen it would be that Russia withdraw entirely from all Ukrainian territories and Ukraine just don't join NATO but this is fucked up the way it's going.
UN peacekeepers by all means but wtf seriously
It's really not surprising. The prediction that Trump, for whatever reason, would capitulate to Putin over Ukraine was a central talking point among his critics (incl Harris herself) during the campaign.
I thought he'd try put a stop to it for economic reasons but the way he's after throwing zelensky under the bus is fuckin crazy.
Is it an attempt to put a stop to BRICS in some way? That's the best logic I can come up with because it's just fucking nuts otherwise
Interesting analysis
https://x.com/vtchakarova/status/1892467855364411588?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1892467855364411588%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url= (https://x.com/vtchakarova/status/1892467855364411588?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1892467855364411588%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=)
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 20, 2025, 08:04:06 AMQuoteThink of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn't be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and "TRUMP," will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe's money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn't Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us — We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is "MISSING." He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden "like a fiddle." A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only "TRUMP," and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelenskyy probably wants to keep the "gravy train" going. I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died – And so it continues.....
Even Newsweek fact-checked this propaganda drivel, though even at that not nearly all of it [e.g. Zelensky's approval rating in Ukraine is actually higher than Trump's in the US, Ukrainian constitution dictates that elections can't be held under martial law, etc.]:
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-trump-says-usa-spent-350-billion-ukraine-2033333
Is this referring to himself in all caps and quotation marks, "TRUMP", a new thing?
That's paywalled so I can't read it, but I did come across this:(Kols is a Latvian MEP):
20250220_140224.jpg
Just watched that analysis and tbh fuck Europe for not doing better than simply banging the war drums as they've done from the start. Diplomacy was an actual option that the EU simply refused at all costs. Couldn't be bothered digging out all the stupid shit the EU have done here but it's little wonder they will end up having fuck all say in any outcome.
Anyway, keeping the sense of humour in mind, twitter auto played this https://x.com/CommodoreBlog/status/1891173709735510395?t=3A119VtJU4cmvRtHo4SbSg&s=09 at the end of that video.
I thought it was perfect
Quote from: astfgyl on February 20, 2025, 01:43:21 PMI thought he'd try put a stop to it for economic reasons but the way he's after throwing zelensky under the bus is fuckin crazy.
Is it an attempt to put a stop to BRICS in some way? That's the best logic I can come up with because it's just fucking nuts otherwise
Trump is and always has been completely delusional/nuts. He doesn't operate in the real world. Whatever little thought that pops into his head - regardless of its grounding in reality - he vocalises it. Nuke a hurricane. Inject bleach. Grab them by the pussy. Mock a disabled reporter. Claim not to know Epstein. LONG LIVE THE KING. Etc.
My guessing is he wants Putin to win so he can cosy up for a slice of Ukraine's natural resources.
Friendly reminder of what the King of America is cool with.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/ukrainian-female-pows-tortured-and-paraded-naked-by-russian/
Impotent little cunt thinks anyone takes him seriously.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jd-vance-warns-ukraine-zelenskiy-204143972.html?guccounter=1
Quote from: Ducky on February 20, 2025, 02:57:30 PMFriendly reminder of what the King of America is cool with.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/ukrainian-female-pows-tortured-and-paraded-naked-by-russian/
As long as they are all perfect 10s Trump will approve
Quote from: The Heretic on February 20, 2025, 04:01:57 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 20, 2025, 02:57:30 PMFriendly reminder of what the King of America is cool with.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/ukrainian-female-pows-tortured-and-paraded-naked-by-russian/
As long as they are all perfect 10s Trump will approve
Gotta grab 'em all!
Like pokemon but even more morally dubious!
Edit: I've never really thought much of that rules of war shit at all and the report could be either true or pure propaganda or a bit of both. I don't believe anything much anymore because it's too easy for it all to be fake, whether it is or isn't.
Like I was saying earlier, the only outcome here that would be proper would be a full withdrawal of Russian troops from any Ukrainian territory and if there was a need for peacekeepers make them ones from the United nations. Seems simple to me but then I'm thick as shit at the back of it all.
The carry on of the fried orange lad here is just ridiculous
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 20, 2025, 08:11:45 AMQuote from: Ducky on February 19, 2025, 05:59:46 PMEdit - he referred to himself as a king on Truth Social. What a fucking timeline to exist in.
A quote which was then promptly shared by The White House's official twitter account along with a faux painting of Trump wearing a crown on the cover of a TIME-esque magazine cover instead titled TRUMP with the caption LONG LIVE THE KING. There can be no doubt anymore that, whatever it was worth to begin with, the constitutional core of the US is compromised.
I see the MAGA scrotes are already piping up about "Project Third Term"/Trump 2028.
The US as we've known it is on life support for sure.
Looks like Trump is about to take control of the USPS and sack everyone. If any of ye boys imported vinyl from the US then good luck with that.
They should probably be looking at their military budget before going fucking with the postal service.
Bit of a tangent, but connected:
How many people such as postal workers will become superfluous to requirements due to advances in ai, and will things like cutting the shit out of staff everywhere become not only normal but basically obligatory? Could see my own job being replaced by a combination of ai and self service within a few years, tbh.
Sort of more for the fucked thread but to keep it relevant to this one, are the lads simply cutting what's inevitably going to be cut anyway and spinning it like they're cleaning up the place with their department of efficiency thing?
They're not maintaining the service and replacing what they're cutting, that's the difference. Even AI is better than gutting out public services to facilitate and protect the power of the rich.
Perhaps they could look at presidential golf trips for waste? The double standards on display are completely ludicrous :-\
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-gold-trips-taxpayer-money-doge-b2701045.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-gold-trips-taxpayer-money-doge-b2701045.html)
https://trumpgolftrack.com/ (https://trumpgolftrack.com/)
His voter base won't care. They've been weaned on millionnaire pastors.
Bannon proposes Trump as President for life (against backdrop of calls to change constitution to let him have a third term), adds in Nazi salute for good measure:
https://bsky.app/profile/joshuaeakle.com/post/3linpqhzrqk2g
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 21, 2025, 02:15:09 PMBannon proposes Trump as President for life (against backdrop of calls to change constitution to let him have a third term), adds in Nazi salute for good measure:
https://bsky.app/profile/joshuaeakle.com/post/3linpqhzrqk2g
The salute looks like he was told to do it and begrudgingly did it at the end. Tosser. If they did change the constitution allowing a run at a third term then Obama should run against him.
America has gone so bad I dunno if I'd be confident about Obama winning.
They're not even trying to disguise how brazen they are any more. The only upside is Trump's age. He won't be fit for another term.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 21, 2025, 02:29:36 PMAmerica has gone so bad I dunno if I'd be confident about Obama winning.
They're not even trying to disguise how brazen they are any more. The only upside is Trump's age. He won't be fit for another term.
Atm Obama is the only one who could galvanise the Democrats and independents. Unless someone better comes along. But I think it's moot. I can't see them allowing a third term. Who knows though.
Honestly I've mostly stopped keeping up with the whole lot other than what I see in here but I was surprised to find my mother reading JD Vance's autobiography today, given that she despises both trump and Musk. Then she gave me a mug of tea in the volodymyr zelensky mug that she keeps there just for me. Funny fucker she loves seeing me get the tay out of that mug
Quote from: astfgyl on February 21, 2025, 05:57:59 PMI was surprised to find my mother reading JD Vance's autobiography today, given that she despises both trump and Musk.
Is it a case of knowing thy enemy?
Quote from: Anvil on February 21, 2025, 10:06:46 PMQuote from: astfgyl on February 21, 2025, 05:57:59 PMI was surprised to find my mother reading JD Vance's autobiography today, given that she despises both trump and Musk.
Is it a case of knowing thy enemy?
Oh definitely. The mother is a constant source of surprise even to me. She taught herself how to speak Russian from youtube during the covid lock downs and can read Cyrillic now and all but only because she had fuck all else to be doing. Well there's a bit more to it but she's a character for sure
https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1893022224119927031
Definition of a man child.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/24/us-news/hackers-play-video-of-trump-kissing-elon-musks-feet-on-cafeteria-screens-at-hud-headquarters-long-live-the-real-king/
:laugh:
Never far from nailing it, this fella
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk0nUUqG_Ag
The only deal I see is Ukraine getting raped to feed the war machine and all associated profiteers. Money makers couldn't have planned the money making any better out of this one.
Edon were lying (again)
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyj1198wy3o
AI generated video Trump posted to his account envisaging what "his" Gaza would look like. Unclear what he makes of the bearded belly-dancers the algorithm produced, but the rest of it looks suitably upper-crust of a brutal dictatorship chic:
https://bsky.app/profile/rpsagainsttrump.bsky.social/post/3lj2qkw3lbs2w
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 26, 2025, 12:25:51 PMAI generated video Trump posted to his account envisaging what "his" Gaza would look like. Unclear what he makes of the bearded belly-dancers the algorithm produced, but the rest of it looks suitably upper-crust of a brutal dictatorship chic:
https://bsky.app/profile/rpsagainsttrump.bsky.social/post/3lj2qkw3lbs2w
This has to be an effort to skew search engine results for "Trump AI video" away from the one of him licking Elon.
It's also completely deranged, but that's par for the course with the orange fella.
Crooked bastards
https://x.com/olddog100ua/status/1894648280778190973
Ah so that's why the EU exists. Thanks for clearing that up for us, Donnie.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/26/trump-european-union-tariffs
USA is pretty much approaching how it's depicted in "Idiocracy"
It's already gaining one up on Idiocracy with its emphasis on outright science and medicine rejection rather than mere loss of understanding: first child death from measles in the US in almost 25 years, unvaccinated, 85 out of 90 of the Texas infections in unvaccinated children, 18 hospitalized, outbreaks in several states, CDC reports that nationwide vaccination rates in kindergarten aged children have dropped below threshold for holding the infection at bay. Perfect time to appoint a vaccine-skeptic weirdo at least partially responsible for 80 measles death in Samoa to the role of Secretary of Health. Here too, it would actually have been less idiotic to take a leaf from Idiocracy's model and instead make the position a prize in a competition!
What a pair of absolute spas. No wonder Putin is playing tunes on them.
https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cdel2npwe50o
I actually couldn't fucking believe what I was seeing. They're like a pair of teenage bullies. That Vance cunt has a face I could kick all day long.
That was somehow even worse than I was expecting.
I encourage any of the guys on here that were saying that Trump was a better choice than Harris to watch that shitshow - what a fucking embarrassment himself and Vance are, absolutely shameless :abbath:
Wild.
Quote from: stearl on February 28, 2025, 08:12:57 PMI encourage any of the guys on here that were saying that Trump was a better choice than Harris to watch that shitshow - what a fucking embarrassment himself and Vance are, absolutely shameless :abbath:
Comrade Caoimhín doesn't seem to have internet access in the gulag of late.
Quote from: Ducky on February 28, 2025, 08:18:19 PMQuote from: stearl on February 28, 2025, 08:12:57 PMI encourage any of the guys on here that were saying that Trump was a better choice than Harris to watch that shitshow - what a fucking embarrassment himself and Vance are, absolutely shameless :abbath:
Comrade Caoimhín doesn't seem to have internet access in the gulag of late.
I do though!
The only difference would have been that Harris would have annoyed slightly less people while still only being the public face of the war machine.
Economic war
Culture war
Actual war
Faces changed but policy still lines the right pockets.
I hoped trump would win
Ah lad you can't be serious? You honestly reckon Harris would be trying to slap Canada, Mexico and the EU with tarrifs? And she'd be rounding up immigrants to ship off to Guantanamo? And she'd be treating anyone that isn't male Caucasian as sub-human? And she'd let a private citizen (who just so happens to be the wealthiest individual on the planet and strung out on ketamine) gut the federal services in the name of "efficiency"? And she'd be in Putin's pocket, slinging total lies about the "three day special operation" at Zelenskyy himself?
I also doubt Harris would have sex trafficking Tate brothers flown in, and I also don't think she'd be friends with Epstein, but here we are.
What a Fucking shitshow.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 28, 2025, 09:39:14 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 28, 2025, 08:18:19 PMQuote from: stearl on February 28, 2025, 08:12:57 PMI encourage any of the guys on here that were saying that Trump was a better choice than Harris to watch that shitshow - what a fucking embarrassment himself and Vance are, absolutely shameless :abbath:
Comrade Caoimhín doesn't seem to have internet access in the gulag of late.
I do though!
The only difference would have been that Harris would have annoyed slightly less people while still only being the public face of the war machine.
Economic war
Culture war
Actual war
Faces changed but policy still lines the right pockets.
I hoped trump would win
Look I'm with ya on most of that. But cmon lad. This is a shitshow of epic proportions. He's a fucking imbecile. Also working class people would better off under Harris.
Totally not Russian assets...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security
We're what, five weeks into this administration? The sheer volume of chaos that's been caused in that time defies belief. Ain't no way that Trump isn't assassinated.
If they do it they can just admit it straight away. No need for the JFK treatment.
He wont be able to run away anyway if he was attacked. Unless there a golf buggie lying around
Yup. And much of the western world would declare whoever pulls the trigger a hero. Even his utter dumb-fuck supporter base is starting to wake up to the reality of what he's doing.
Time to get exercising that Second Amendment that they so feverishly defended in case of precisely what's happening right now actually happening.
Quote from: Ollkiller on March 01, 2025, 12:55:08 AMHe wont be able to run away anyway if he was attacked. Unless there a golf buggie lying around
Reminds me of that mission in GTA Vice City where you have to assassinate some lad playing golf. I remember chasing him in a golf buggy with his bodyguards persuing me in their own buggy... with "Peace Sells" blaring out the in-game radio. Good times :abbath:
Watched the video again there. Coordinated attack. Scum
Yup. And he no doubt thinnks the world is in awe of him for it.
He's so detached from reality that he's effectively a malevolent Dougal from Father Ted.
Just rewatching myself, you can see Zelensky in complete disbelief with the bullshit. He called it out and great to see someone with the balls to do so. I honestly believe he realised it was set up that way.
I'm no Zelensky stan, but he hasn't cowered before Putin so he was never going to cower before anyone aligning themselves with Putin either. "Don't tell us how we're going to feel!" christ on a bike, the sheer microscopic pettiness of character from Trump, exactly as he was last time he was in office. Anyone who has a shred of respect for that man must truly be dwelling in a moral deadzone.
The set up is worse than I saw in the clips. It's like it was all choreographed, including this from the BBC:
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Just before the heated exchange in the Oval Office, Zelensky faced questioning and comments over his choice to wear combat gear from a conservative journalist. The wardrobe question presaged the argument about thankfulness and respect.
"Why don't you wear a suit? Do you own a suit? A lot of Americans have a problem with you not respecting the dignity of the office," the reporter asked.
"I will wear [a] costume after this war will finish," he told the reporter. "Maybe something like yours, maybe something better... Maybe something cheaper."
The question was posed by Brian Glenn, the chief White House correspondent for Real America's Voice, a right-wing network with a show line-up chock-full of Trump allies.
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That guy is Majorie Taylor Greene's partner. So on a big occasion like this with the fate of millions of people in the balance, he's more concerned about the clothing rather than if Ukraine think a deal can be made, etc. What another sack of shit in the Oval Lavatory, plainly stirring things up.
And then the bully boy tactics of grabbing Zelensku by the shoulder. And to finish it off Trump says it would make "great television though", as if he's still looking for ratings for The Apprentice, and people's lives and futures aren't in the balance.
Depressing as hell, you could nearly picture Trump ordering Zelensky to be arrested there and then and gifted to his bud in Moscow.
Oh, and denying he called Zelensky a dictator, but claims his cognitive skills are so much better than Biden who is barely older than him.
Interesting comment from a gerriatrician I happened to meet the other week about the Montreal test for cognitive ability. Trump claimed he could remember all these words perfectly when tested, but none of the words he listed in front of the cameras actually appear in the Montreal test for dementia etc :laugh:/ :'(
Quote from: Ollkiller on February 28, 2025, 11:35:04 PMQuote from: astfgyl on February 28, 2025, 09:39:14 PMQuote from: Ducky on February 28, 2025, 08:18:19 PMQuote from: stearl on February 28, 2025, 08:12:57 PMI encourage any of the guys on here that were saying that Trump was a better choice than Harris to watch that shitshow - what a fucking embarrassment himself and Vance are, absolutely shameless :abbath:
Comrade Caoimhín doesn't seem to have internet access in the gulag of late.
I do though!
The only difference would have been that Harris would have annoyed slightly less people while still only being the public face of the war machine.
Economic war
Culture war
Actual war
Faces changed but policy still lines the right pockets.
I hoped trump would win
Look I'm with ya on most of that. But cmon lad. This is a shitshow of epic proportions. He's a fucking imbecile. Also working class people would better off under Harris.
I actually can't disagree, having seen the carry on so far. And Musk is giving me such bad vibes that I went back to Facebook. Twitter is actually fuckin shite now
Jesus I just watched the trump and zelensky exchange.
I take back whatever I said even though I don't think I've actually said much in support of trump himself but jaysus that's chronic on the Ukrainians.
Then again, the Canadian parliament were clapping in support of an old SS chap not so long ago, so maybe there's a bit of bullshit in the support for zelensky as well.
That Canadian thing is still one of the funniest things that ever happened all the same.
Throwing the Ukrainians under the bus like that though... absolutely terrible, boorish horrible shite.
Quote from: Ducky on March 01, 2025, 12:55:36 AMYup. And much of the western world would declare whoever pulls the trigger a hero. Even his utter dumb-fuck supporter base is starting to wake up to the reality of what he's doing.
Time to get exercising that Second Amendment that they so feverishly defended in case of precisely what's happening right now actually happening.
Unfortunately I don't think this is true at all, they're more in support of him than ever. I think we're all hanging onto the thread that they're going to be rudely awakened by all the madness, but I think as far as they're concerned he's doing exactly what he said he would do and they are loving it. Trump supporters are further gone than we all realized.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2025, 03:04:20 PMJesus I just watched the trump and zelensky exchange.
I take back whatever I said even though I don't think I've actually said much in support of trump himself but jaysus that's chronic on the Ukrainians.
Then again, the Canadian parliament were clapping in support of an old SS chap not so long ago, so maybe there's a bit of bullshit in the support for zelensky as well.
That Canadian thing is still one of the funniest things that ever happened all the same.
Throwing the Ukrainians under the bus like that though... absolutely terrible, boorish horrible shite.
You do realize that they didn't know about his history before the applause? The media storm that followed that one was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. Glorious ammunition for people to manipulate fools.
Quote from: Mooncat on March 01, 2025, 04:54:37 PMQuote from: Ducky on March 01, 2025, 12:55:36 AMYup. And much of the western world would declare whoever pulls the trigger a hero. Even his utter dumb-fuck supporter base is starting to wake up to the reality of what he's doing.
Time to get exercising that Second Amendment that they so feverishly defended in case of precisely what's happening right now actually happening.
Unfortunately I don't think this is true at all, they're more in support of him than ever. I think we're all hanging onto the thread that they're going to be rudely awakened by all the madness, but I think as far as they're concerned he's doing exactly what he said he would do and they are loving it. Trump supporters are further gone than we all realized.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2025, 03:04:20 PMJesus I just watched the trump and zelensky exchange.
I take back whatever I said even though I don't think I've actually said much in support of trump himself but jaysus that's chronic on the Ukrainians.
Then again, the Canadian parliament were clapping in support of an old SS chap not so long ago, so maybe there's a bit of bullshit in the support for zelensky as well.
That Canadian thing is still one of the funniest things that ever happened all the same.
Throwing the Ukrainians under the bus like that though... absolutely terrible, boorish horrible shite.
You do realize that they didn't know about his history before the applause? The media storm that followed that one was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. Glorious ammunition for people to manipulate fools.
Ah yeah but if they were fighting against the Russians in wwii there's a strong chance they'd be affiliated with the nazis. Like, given the azov thing as well, somebody should have done their homework.
Am I right in thinking you live there though iirc? Like I wouldn't have a clue how that went down outside of twitter
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2025, 06:42:47 PMQuote from: Mooncat on March 01, 2025, 04:54:37 PMQuote from: Ducky on March 01, 2025, 12:55:36 AMYup. And much of the western world would declare whoever pulls the trigger a hero. Even his utter dumb-fuck supporter base is starting to wake up to the reality of what he's doing.
Time to get exercising that Second Amendment that they so feverishly defended in case of precisely what's happening right now actually happening.
Unfortunately I don't think this is true at all, they're more in support of him than ever. I think we're all hanging onto the thread that they're going to be rudely awakened by all the madness, but I think as far as they're concerned he's doing exactly what he said he would do and they are loving it. Trump supporters are further gone than we all realized.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2025, 03:04:20 PMJesus I just watched the trump and zelensky exchange.
I take back whatever I said even though I don't think I've actually said much in support of trump himself but jaysus that's chronic on the Ukrainians.
Then again, the Canadian parliament were clapping in support of an old SS chap not so long ago, so maybe there's a bit of bullshit in the support for zelensky as well.
That Canadian thing is still one of the funniest things that ever happened all the same.
Throwing the Ukrainians under the bus like that though... absolutely terrible, boorish horrible shite.
You do realize that they didn't know about his history before the applause? The media storm that followed that one was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. Glorious ammunition for people to manipulate fools.
Ah yeah but if they were fighting against the Russians in wwii there's a strong chance they'd be affiliated with the nazis. Like, given the azov thing as well, somebody should have done their homework.
Am I right in thinking you live there though iirc? Like I wouldn't have a clue how that went down outside of twitter
It didn't go down like the Twitter shit storm, though in fairness nothing does.
It was supposed to be a show of support for Ukraine after Russia invaded and then general embarrassment that they hadn't done basic cursory research into his past before making this public statement.
Of course Trudeau has a lot of detractors for generally being a shit PM, but there's a whole section of them that are genuinely unhinged (the equivalent of Canadian Trump supporter types really) and they latched onto it with the usual fervour and stupidity you've come to expect from them. Hence all the ridiculous Nazi supporter stuff. Any stick to beat an enemy with, you know? The tribal nature of the culture wars of the last load of years rendered common sense obsolete long ago. Mental gymnastics is the only way to attack the other side and defend your own these days, and I include both sides in that.
At least trump also televised and memeified his meeting with putin, in the interest of fairness. Right?
Quote from: ochoill on March 02, 2025, 01:09:00 AMAt least trump also televised and memeified his meeting with putin, in the interest of fairness. Right?
Fairness? With that shitehawk? He's actually after surprising even me with his mock shite on this one. Like the only fair thing to do would be for Russia to withdraw entirely from all Ukrainian territories and leave un peacekeepers in there over the internal conflict that supposedly started it all but now it looks like the US and Russia are going to carve up the resources between them and leave Ukraine up shit creek altogether.
Very bad stuff altogether. I only saw it yesterday after a lad told me about it because I just fucked off twitter pretty much altogether over the politics. I generally only hear any of it on here now and just go on fb watching videos of lads catching pike for me kicks.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2025, 06:42:47 PMQuote from: Mooncat on March 01, 2025, 04:54:37 PMYou do realize that they didn't know about his history before the applause? The media storm that followed that one was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. Glorious ammunition for people to manipulate fools.
Ah yeah but if they were fighting against the Russians in wwii there's a strong chance they'd be affiliated with the nazis. Like, given the azov thing as well, somebody should have done their homework.
Some other homework that should have been done:
QuoteVolodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy was born to Jewish parents on 25 January 1978 in Kryvyi Rih, then in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. [...] His grandfather, Semyon Zelenskyy, served as an infantryman, reaching the rank of colonel in the Red Army (in the 57th Guards Motor Rifle Division) during World War II. Semyon's father and three brothers were killed in the Holocaust. [...] his great-grandparents had been killed after German troops burned their home to the ground during a massacre. His grandmother survived World War II after leaving Kryvyi Rih in an evacuation of Jews to Almaty, Kazakhstan, and returned to Ukraine after the war.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 03, 2025, 05:48:12 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2025, 06:42:47 PMQuote from: Mooncat on March 01, 2025, 04:54:37 PMYou do realize that they didn't know about his history before the applause? The media storm that followed that one was one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. Glorious ammunition for people to manipulate fools.
Ah yeah but if they were fighting against the Russians in wwii there's a strong chance they'd be affiliated with the nazis. Like, given the azov thing as well, somebody should have done their homework.
Some other homework that should have been done:
QuoteVolodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy was born to Jewish parents on 25 January 1978 in Kryvyi Rih, then in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. [...] His grandfather, Semyon Zelenskyy, served as an infantryman, reaching the rank of colonel in the Red Army (in the 57th Guards Motor Rifle Division) during World War II. Semyon's father and three brothers were killed in the Holocaust. [...] his great-grandparents had been killed after German troops burned their home to the ground during a massacre. His grandmother survived World War II after leaving Kryvyi Rih in an evacuation of Jews to Almaty, Kazakhstan, and returned to Ukraine after the war.
What's that got to do with the old SS boy, if you don't mind me asking?
Does make me wonder how zelenskyiiyii feels about the azov brigade and how much powder he had to throw up his nose to suppress those feelings.
Of course if I was on twitter reading the same thing it would be along the lines of "see, I told you it was the jewz etc"
Failing to see your point tbh
The "old SS boy" fought against the Red Army. Zelensky's grandfather was in the Red Army.
Tariff day is GO.
And military aid to Ukraine is NO.
How long before he starts arming Russia?
Jon Stewart particularly astute on things this week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeUZI5RnYGg
Makes it especially clear towards the end that Putin has been echoing MAGA talking points (or vice versa) for a long time now. Again, nothing surprising has happened yet, nothing at all. Trump somehow "both sidesed" his way into the White House, thanks in part to people thinking he was more bark than bite, and now he's biting at all the arteries he said he would. Plus some he said he wouldn't (e.g. when, during the campaign, he disavowed any connection to Project 2025 for the benefit of the gullible).
Edit. Double post
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 03, 2025, 06:47:51 PMThe "old SS boy" fought against the Red Army. Zelensky's grandfather was in the Red Army.
And zelensky was still clapping for him as well. Jaysus nobody at all thought that one through. Mad how it happened.
Because he didn't know who he was. When certain outlets started spreading the "applauding a nazi!" canard, they omitted the important detail that said retired SS soldier would have thereby been a double enemy of Zelensky's own family, who were both Jewish and, at the time, in the Red Army that the old man's SS unit were fighting against. Fabricated scandal evaporated. Mad how it didn't happen that way.
Well it wasn't a fabricated scandal it was just ridiculous that nobody put the 2 and 2 together that if he was fighting the Red Army in wwii, that it might be worth looking at a bit before parading him like a hero. To me it's one of the only funny things that happened since that war broke out because all of the rest of it is just depressing and wrong.
Also for the avoidance of doubt I think Russia should just fuck right off from invading sovereign countries, and even though I think a lot of what came after was propaganda from the US and NATO, Russia and everyone else should fuck off as well unless it's peacekeepers and not surrounding the Black Sea with NATO expansion and missiles on Russias doorstep. There must have been some lobbying going on from the weapons companies that seemingly nobody wanted peace or any sort of agreement out of it all and still seemingly don't. It's mad really. People are dying in the hundreds of thousands and half the world wants to prolong that.
The conflict started in 2014. About 14,000 ethnic Russians killed by Ukrainian shelling caused an uprising of Russians in eastern Ukraine before the Russian army invaded. Other elements in the equation too.
I'm not excusing the behaviour of Putin either, I don't have a dog in the fight. But some of ye lads would want to look into things a little further.
As for the Trump/Vance Zelenskyy spat, it's clear not one of ye watched the entire recording. My Russian is good enough to translate what Zelenskyy said under his breath, picked up by the mics anyway.
The Russian people are desperate for peace, believe me. I had a drone filled with explosives go off before Christmas about 200 yards from my apartment. Whatever about the morality of it, the reality of the situation is probably more prescient.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 04, 2025, 04:33:57 PMWell it wasn't a fabricated scandal it was just ridiculous that nobody put the 2 and 2 together that if he was fighting the Red Army in wwii, that it might be worth looking at a bit before parading him like a hero.
That is why the person who should have done all that, who accepted the request by yer man's son to have him present and who made the live statement that yer man had fought against the Red Army in WWII, resigned afterwards. Because it was a ridiculous error to make.
And thanks Kev but we don't need your Russian or your vagueness to have seen the story about Zelenskyy having apparently whispered what native speakers say can be translated as either "bitch" or "fuck" or even an equivalent to "for fuck's sake", which given what he was reacting to in the moment (notably Vance claiming to understand the situation in Ukraine because he's "seen videos") would be fairly understandable.
He said two words. They're clearly audible.
Did you watch the whole video?
Trump wants all mineral rights. Russia keeps the territory its claimed. Ukraine to hold elections and declare Russia the non aggressor. Ukraine then gets zero security guarantees. Fuck sake seems tame bring in a room with those two.
On the 14000 killed in the 2014 war and thereafter. 6500 Russian amd russian proxy forces, 4400 Ukrainian forces and 3400 civilians. Didn't russian separatists start that? Curious on that
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 04, 2025, 05:22:55 PMHe said two words. They're clearly audible.
Did you watch the whole video?
It's funny and somewhat predictable that those against Zelensky will pick out 2 mumbled words, borne out of pure frustration, and paint them in the same light as the bullying barrage that those other 2 cunts were raining down on him.
It's also quite the consistent script with the anti-Ukraine side that the average person "just hasn't looked back far enough" to when this all started and who is REALLY to blame. It's the Ukraine war equivalent to "I did the research" with respect to covid/vaccines.
The situation is an absolute disaster, and finger pointing solves nothing anyway.
From the Russian perspective, there was a CIA coup against the pro Moscow president, repression of the Russian language (Zelenskyy is a native Russian speaker), the Ukrainians shelling etc. It doesn't excuse the Russian invasion, and the graveyards are full here boys.
What do we have now, 50 year old Ukrainians who don't want to be there holding back he Russian army? Whatever moral position you take, Ukraine will never win. Might be unpalatable but that's the case.
Hate trump as much as you want, at least the cunt wants to stop further pointless loss of life.
Quote from: The Great Cull on March 04, 2025, 05:41:54 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on March 04, 2025, 05:22:55 PMHe said two words. They're clearly audible.
Did you watch the whole video?
It's funny and somewhat predictable that those against Zelensky will pick out 2 mumbled words, borne out of pure frustration, and paint them in the same light as the bullying barrage that those other 2 cunts were raining down on him.
It's also quite the consistent script with the anti-Ukraine side that the average person "just hasn't looked back far enough" to when this all started and who is REALLY to blame. It's the Ukraine war equivalent to "I did the research" with respect to covid/vaccines.
Look, watch the whole video if you have time. I'm pro myself and ending it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 04, 2025, 05:22:55 PMHe said two words. They're clearly audible.
Did you watch the whole video?
Yes, I did watch the whole video. And I know he is said to have said two words. Not speaking Russian or Ukrainian, I can't make them out very well myself, but I'm told it is these two words:
https://learntherussianlanguage.com/cyka-blyat/
QuoteWhenever you hear a Russian scream cyka blyat, he's saying the English equivalent of:
Damn
Fuck
Shit
Not quite, but sure lookit.
Zelenskyy doesn't speak very good Ukrainian, certainly not to native level, he spoke in Russian (as you or I would as Irish speakers would in English ).
Who gives a fuck?
Peace will come at a cost, as it always does. If this Starmer lad could shut the fuck up in an effort to prolong it.
So how about, instead of just vaguely alluding to shit, you state the points you want to make as clearly as you can. The whole video, the whole video, okay, but just for those two Russian words or is there something else? And "not quite, but sure lookit", well then what is it "quite"? I went to a source that was older than the story on purpose, so that the translation given spontaneously wouldn't be coloured by the events happening. And there it is: damn, fuck, shit.
I speak Russian,and have lived here for almost 2 years but I can't explain its intricacies to you right now. Tough fucking language.
I mean, we're just two assholes posting on the internet after all.
As for the whole video, Zelenskyy clearly started the argument.
I'd translate it as 'fucking bitch'
Because that's what you want it to mean in the context.
Where do you place the beginning of the argument? Decent amount of a full transcript here, but if you think the trigger is outside of this lengthy section, then just say where:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/read-full-transcript-of-heated-exchange-between-trump-zelenskyy-vance-at-oval-office/3496679
Just saying at as I saw it.
I live in Russia, it doesn't mean I back one side or the other.
Why would I read the transcript when I saw the entire thing?
I think Zelenskyy started, you disagree.
Move on.
I'm not asking you to read the transcript, I'm providing it to help you show us where you believe Zelenskyy "clearly started the argument." Do you mean here, for example?
Quote from: ZelenskyyWhat kind of diplomacy JD you are speaking about? What do you mean?
Yeah whatever lad.
We should go to Sligo again.
On the market again for a bit on the side? :P :laugh:
I didn't abandon her per se, I just let her do her own thing :)
To this day I've never seen anyone as fucked from drink as you were after day 1. The girl I supposedly abandoned (according to you and all the other liars) commented on how good looking you were with your boring as fuck band :)
All I can say is, tis a pity for her I was so utterly incapacitated :laugh:
Hahahaha. Someone made you a bacon sandwich and a spliff and you accepted it like a homeless.
Fair few lads here thought we were just two annoying fucking pricks talking shit on the internet.
It was a bit annoying that you were Protestant good looking. Fuck off :)
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 04, 2025, 06:45:16 PMHahahaha. Someone made you a bacon sandwich and a spliff and you accepted it like a homeless.
Fair few lads here thought we were just two annoying fucking pricks talking shit on the internet who never met.
It was a bit annoying that you were Protestant good looking. Fuck off :)
Yeah, bacon or sausage sandwich, spliff, cuppa tae. Godsend. Was a girl from up north did that for me, a saint. Louise maybe, or Laura..? Then afterwards I sat in the basin of a running shower for around 30 minutes :laugh:
I wouldn't have helped you later on if I'd have known you'd turn out like you have :)
It was 2007 because Mick Carnun got booed off the stage for saying the football team are doing well' :)
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Yer man fuckin, Giggles, whatever his fuckin name is, must be sickened.
Jesus fuckin Christ lads. I thought I was bad but you two just need to bum the difference out of each other and be done with it.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on March 04, 2025, 07:22:45 PMYer man fuckin, Giggles, whatever his fuckin name is, must be sickened.
Far from sickened! I'm loving the positive vibes in here ❤️
Quote from: Giggles on March 04, 2025, 10:25:45 PMQuote from: Caomhaoin on March 04, 2025, 07:22:45 PMYer man fuckin, Giggles, whatever his fuckin name is, must be sickened.
Far from sickened! I'm loving the positive vibes in here ❤️
What did I miss about how you came into the foreplay between the 2 boys
I have no idea :laugh:
He made a dumb comment about COVID and I quoted him with the cuntish WOW SO COOL and he's called me all the nazis and retards since.
Since we are sucking each others mickeys, you seem to alright apart fae that. Dinnae cross us again though:)
I've never called you a nazi, or a retard 🤷
I don't remember any such covid comment.
I do remember we had a disagreement over abortion one evening about 4 years ago, but sure what of it.
Hi everyone. I just wanted to say it's great to see Biff and Marty McFly go at it.
Can I request that anyone else that wants to get involved in the debate please change your avatars to characters from the Back to the Future franchise to make it less confusing for spectators like myself. Doc Brown would be a good choice if you're siding with Marty, and maybe Needles or one of Biff's gang if you're siding with Biff. Thanks.
Well after the trump administration lobbied for the release of the Tate brothers I did not see this coming. And from DeSantis of all people.
Link https://www.thejournal.ie/florida-launches-criminal-investigation-andrew-tristan-tate-6640296-Mar2025/
Will keep an eye on what the investigation turns up. Could potentially all be theatre at this point.
Can we get a quick roll call on the kind of people who have historically said shit like this?
Quote from: TrumpWe are going to forge the freest, most advanced, most dynamic, and most dominant civilization ever to exist on the face of this earth.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 05, 2025, 03:16:18 PMCan we get a quick roll call on the kind of people who have historically said shit like this?
Quote from: TrumpWe are going to forge the freest, most advanced, most dynamic, and most dominant civilization ever to exist on the face of this earth.
Free as long as you believe what I say. See the crap he said about protests on college campus. He dosent know about freedom of association, that's for sure.
No comrades, cruelty is definitely not the point, and you sound retarded for saying so...
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-plans-revoke-legal-status-ukrainians-who-fled-us-sources-say-2025-03-06/
Genuinely hilarious :laugh:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DG1eV9vog_G/
He's suspending the tarrifs now? What a pathetic, sissy little bitch.
https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-celebrates-womens-history-month-and-irish-american-heritage-with-new-proclamations-oval-office
I'm sure the Irish will give a glowing official appreciation of his continuation of this long standing tradition
Through gritted teeth
Truly the stupidest shower of FUCKSTICKS to ever draw breath.
https://www.newsweek.com/military-remove-enola-gay-photos-dei-rules-2041029
I hope you vote for this guy if given the chance, Chris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmDVrV7QRrU
Quote from: Bürggermeister on March 07, 2025, 06:43:06 PMI hope you vote for this guy if given the chance, Chris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmDVrV7QRrU
Saw this earlier. Very impressive speech
Powerful stuff. Anyone who sides with the orange turd and what he stands for was clearly deprived oxygen at birth.
Quote from: Ducky on March 07, 2025, 01:38:58 PMTruly the stupidest shower of FUCKSTICKS to ever draw breath.
https://www.newsweek.com/military-remove-enola-gay-photos-dei-rules-2041029
Ah yeah, let's just fucking rewrite history. Good lord that really is fucking thick as shit. And I say this as someone who isn't a fan of DEI at all but also thinks being part of a minority of any sort should be any barrier for people, especially those from deprived backgrounds.
He's prevented the Ukes from updating ECM code in the F16s they have. It's not going to encourage anyone to buy US arms if the whim of one cunt can make your expensive kit utterly unusable overnight. It's genuinely saddens me to see the sacrifices of the Ukranians undone so quickly by this cunt, forcing them over a barrel to be fucked by the US and the Russians.
I feel like they were always going to be fucked over by the US to pay back for whatever equipment etc but I think the US didn't have in mind that they would end up sharing the spoils with the Russians at all if they'd thrown enough Ukrainians at it. If it goes the way it looks like it will go, all those dead soldiers will have been for nothing at all and Russia will get what it invaded for in the first place.
Makes me think they should have went with the deal that was on the table after a few days into the invasion but the UK and US talked them out of it, according to Jeffrey Sachs anyway but I wouldn't know what exactly that deal consisted if without looking it up
Partition doesn't work, lads, we all know that ;)
Greatest country on earth 🥰🥰🥰
https://time.com/7266334/us-human-rights-watchlist-civil-liberties/
Hearing accounts that members of the (Enoch) Burke family were seen boarding flight to Washington. Musk has RT'ed some of the worst Irish twitter accounts' versions of Enoch's "plight". Do they plan on putting Martin on the spot? Certainly possible.
If they do Martin needs to tell them to f*ck off and mind their own business (diplomatically), its as simple as that.
Wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't a Musk sponsored stunt...
Seems the only thing that can make trump more trump than he already was is Musk. He does r/t some awful shite
https://x.com/i/trending/1899883674390454378?t=e7SJQAj3MVQpF402bb4h-w&s=09
Lol, Martin really giving trump a lot of stick on his visit :laugh:
Now to be fair, that's how a representative of a neutral country should be acting and I hope he meets Putin in similar fashion. Maybe we could have Putin beamed into the Dáil, Zelenskyy style (obviously not) but we'll see a change in Irish politics soon I'd be fairly confident of that judging by Martin's body language and general deference
Trump thought of McGregor when he was asked who his favourite Irish person was:
https://bsky.app/profile/virginmedianews.bsky.social/post/3lk6zmadkfq2z
Birds of a feather. Does anyone actually fall for that fake, nonsensical pandering? Absolutely cuntish.
It is absolutely cunting. Seeing Martin meeting trump was the first I knew of Harris not being An Taoiseach as well, which says a lot about how much attention I pay to any of it anymore
Edit: tis a pity Harris didn't get the chance to tell trump he was a gowl like he said he would...
More 4D chess musings. It's totally us taking advantage of the US...
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/13/trump-says-ireland-cheats-the-us-as-its-leader-joins-him-to-celebrate-st-patricks-day
Ah we're as fuckin stupid as he is, just in a different way
#bothsides
Tbh Martin did about as best as he could. No point in arguing with the idiot. Smile and get through it. Theres 50000 people in well paying jobs in this country with american multi nationals. Absolute zero point rocking the boat.
See the Israelis in usa are calling marting an anti semite now. Christ they love throwing that about.
Fox News called him "very socialist" too :laugh:
Guess they didn't grasp the selfish significance of him guffawing with Trump over the housing crisis in Ireland.
The Burkes made an absolute show of themselves at a gala last night. Those hysterical lunatics need a dose of low voltage of the electric chair.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 14, 2025, 07:48:06 AMThe Burkes made an absolute show of themselves at a gala last night. Those hysterical lunatics need a dose of low voltage of the electric chair.
Have they been kicked out of the country yet? People have been fucked out for less I would imagine?
The sad thing is there would be plenty of willing ears to listen to them. I can see Musk paying Enoch's legal bills. And possibly giving him a job.
Poor Enoch himself wasn't there. He couldn't get the time off work to go.
Quote from: Emphyrio on March 14, 2025, 08:25:19 AMThe sad thing is there would be plenty of willing ears to listen to them. I can see Musk paying Enoch's legal bills. And possibly giving him a job.
The only job Enoch needs now is a blow job to release all that pent up religion induced frustration, some tranny porn may help him too.
Aye, he's in need of something anyway.
Quote from: The Great Cull on March 14, 2025, 08:48:00 AMPoor Enoch himself wasn't there. He couldn't get the time off work to go.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Morto for Tesla owners trying to sell right now
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/musk-hitler-murder-public-workers-x-b2714911.html
Quote from: Bürggermeister on March 14, 2025, 11:28:27 AMMorto for Tesla owners trying to sell right now
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/musk-hitler-murder-public-workers-x-b2714911.html
Where's Luigi when you need him.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 13, 2025, 06:33:51 PM#bothsides
Ah will you give it over with that both sides shite. Anyone with eyes can see it's all rotten to the core and everything is only to attempt to placate the masses and keep the money men in money. All the other shit is only the sideshow. If we weren't stupid we'd have a great country but it's only ok, just about, the way it is. As for the yanks, they're a fuckin basket case but we rely heavily on them for a lot of things in the financial sense, which is unfortunate.
Therefore, we are as stupid as them, just in a different way.
Actually no, reading that last line, I guess we're not quite that nuts with our politics yet
French researcher refused entry to US for a conference and then expelled when personal opinions critical of Trump found in private exchanges on his telephone.
https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2025/03/19/etats-unis-un-chercheur-francais-refoule-pour-avoir-exprime-une-opinion-personnelle-sur-la-politique-menee-par-l-administration-trump_6583618_3210.html
Yeah trump is a real megalomaniac this time out, surprising even me tbh. A mad oul world we have now but then I was having the argument with the mother last night that if he puts a stop to a few wars, is he not then a good guy?
She was unmoved, and then lent me a copy of Hillbilly Elegy while demonstrating the bit of Russian she learned from youtube during the lockdown that she didn't believe in.
Haven't a clue how I became so contrarian...
Quote from: astfgyl on March 19, 2025, 07:49:24 PMYeah trump is a real megalomaniac this time out, surprising even me tbh. A mad oul world we have now but then I was having the argument with the mother last night that if he puts a stop to a few wars, is he not then a good guy?
She was unmoved, and then lent me a copy of Hillbilly Elegy while demonstrating the bit of Russian she learned from youtube during the lockdown that she didn't believe in.
Haven't a clue how I became so contrarian...
He dosent give a shyte about wars. Sure he struck the houtis and let Israel go full mental again. Only wants a peace in Ukraine to start doing business with Russia.
But you're right about the meglomania.
He reigned it in last time. Probably thinking he'd be there for 8 years and could go turbo in his second term. Well he has his second term so all bets are off now.
Agreed. Some wars are seemingly fine but not others. Again, a mad oul world we are in. I blame the Internet, but I'd probably have blamed the telly or the radio before that
I despised Trump first time out but couldn't get on board with all the talk of him being a dictator. This time around I despise him again, but I'm also starting to think he might well have aspirations to becoming a dictator. Surrounding himself entirely with loyalists and yes men... spooky. I suppose we'll see how the next handover of power goes in four years, but if the last one was anything to go by, it won't be pretty.
I wonder is this just what we can expect from American politics from now on. Can it ever get itself out of this mire? Will the democrats have to try to up the whacky levels with their next candidate just to get a look in? Can they get their shit together and appeal to the centrists they lost this time around? Can the republican party get themselves back to some level of respectability again or do the MAGA heads now own the party completely (post-Trump II that is)...
I'd say he's looking at Putin and Bibi being in office for decades and liking the sound of that, one plus being he doesn't have decades left.
Yeah, I'm not quite mook enough to be wishing for him to be assassinated, but it's difficult to conclude anything other than the sooner he dies the better.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 20, 2025, 12:03:23 PMYeah, I'm not quite mook enough to be wishing for him to be assassinated, but it's difficult to conclude anything other than the sooner he dies the better.
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QuoteTesla said on Thursday it is recalling 46,096 Cybertruck vehicles in the U.S. over an exterior panel that can detach while driving, after more than six call-backs for the pickups last year.
Tesla is recalling the vehicles over issues of the cant rail - a stainless-steel exterior trim panel - delaminating and detaching from the vehicle, it said.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/recalls/2025/03/20/tesla-cybertruck-recall/82561876007/
Tangentially related to the orange man, but still hilarious/brutal.
https://waterfordwhispers.shop/products/andrew-tayto-waterford-whispers-charity-t-shirt
Have a feeling that one will get cease & desisted fairly rapid, lol
Definitely. Plus it's not fair on Mr. Tayto, he has a stronger chin than Tate.
Andrew Tayto is McGregor though, no?
MAGA fanatics:
QuoteA Trump voter whose wife was detained by federal immigration agents apparently still does not regret siding with MAGA in November.
Bradley Bartell, a Wisconsin Trump supporter, witnessed the arrest of his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz last month. Muñoz had overstayed her visa during the pandemic, but had no criminal history and had recently applied for her green card—something that the couple believed could be enough to keep her from becoming a target of the Trump administration.
It wasn't. Instead, ICE agents tore her away from her husband at the airport as the couple returned from their belated honeymoon in Puerto Rico. But that hasn't hampered Bartell's opinion of Donald Trump.
"I don't regret the vote," Bartell told Newsweek Wednesday.
https://newrepublic.com/post/192989/donald-trump-voter-ice-detain-wife-regret-vote
Good lord. That's right up there with the time the lad died of covid and the daughter it would have been far worse if he hadn't took his vaccine. That level of stupid. Actually no, this lad is thicker again. I do somewhat doubt the absolute veracity of either of those examples but then, is there even an actual depth to how stupid things can get?
If you insist on taking things in that direction, we've some of that too:
QuoteThe Texas parents of an unvaccinated 6-year-old girl who died from measles Feb. 26 told the anti-vaccine organization Children's Health Defense in a video released Monday that the experience did not convince them that vaccination against measles was necessary.
"She says they would still say 'Don't do the shots,'" an unidentified translator for the parents said. "They think it's not as bad as the media is making it out to be."
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/20/texas-measles-family-gaines-county-death/
I find it hard to comprehend the levels of retardation some people reach. Like, how does one become so stupid. And it must be a learned behaviour cos if they were born that way they'd never have made it to adulthood.
Americans seem to be somehow more susceptible to brain washing. Or maybe we are just getting the news about the odd simpleton outlier, which must be part of the story. I do think they have allowed themselves, through making politics a religion, to become vulnerable to being led by the nose in either direction. Don't get too deep into politics, people. Wear it lightly. It's serious business, but it's also a cesspool of complete bullshit and trickery. It's sad when these eejits end up harming themselves and the ones they love the most in the name of some silly ideology. Like, did they wear MAGA hats to their kid's fucking funeral? Tragic in more ways than one.
The unscrupulous behaviour of their leaders is another sickening story. I fear that this is the beginning of an endless downward spiral over there. I really hope the US can find its way back to reality some day soon
I've often wondered if there's a correlation between the level of BS and omission that's inherent to a given country's national myth (as in, the myth of how their nation came to be) and how susceptible its population will be to brainwashing.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 22, 2025, 11:13:18 AMI've often wondered if there's a correlation between the level of BS and omission that's inherent to a given country's national myth (as in, the myth of how their nation came to be) and how susceptible its population will be to brainwashing.
This would make a lot of sense. The whole country is built on lies, theft and genocide.
Reminds me of that Manic Street Preachers song "Ifwhiteamericatoldthetruthforonedayit'sworldwouldfallapart"
The drunkard adulterous Christian nationalist who wrote a book fantasizing about recreating the Crusades and also happens to be the current Secretary of Defense has put himself in it by adding the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic into a group Signal chat where the attacks on Yemen were being discussed. Maybe this administration will actually implode under the weight of its own idiocy.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 24, 2025, 05:55:49 PMThe drunkard adulterous Christian nationalist who wrote a book fantasizing about recreating the Crusades and also happens to be the current Secretary of Defense has put himself in it by adding the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic into a group Signal chat where the attacks on Yemen were being discussed. Maybe this administration will actually implode under the weight of its own idiocy.
His cabinet is full of amateurs who shouldn't be next or near a cabinet position. What a total clusterfuck.
Wonder how they'll try spin out of that one?
I don't even think they'll bother to put much of a spin on it, they just don't give a shite
Some kind of everyone makes mistakes BS at most I'm guessing.
Quote from: Ollkiller on March 24, 2025, 11:40:19 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 24, 2025, 05:55:49 PMThe drunkard adulterous Christian nationalist who wrote a book fantasizing about recreating the Crusades and also happens to be the current Secretary of Defense has put himself in it by adding the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic into a group Signal chat where the attacks on Yemen were being discussed. Maybe this administration will actually implode under the weight of its own idiocy.
His cabinet is full of amateurs who shouldn't be next or near a cabinet position. What a total clusterfuck.
I saw somewhere Hegseth was referred to as the DUI candidate in a play on DEI :-X - not serious people.
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The obvious thing here is that the entire "LOCK HER UP!" debacle was over a far less serious potential security breach. In the present case, highly sensitive information was being discussed by several individuals outside of secure channels (that part is comparable but worse than what Clinton was accused of) and they then dropped a third party with no security clearance right into the middle of it. A journalist who Hegseth, initially at least, tried to dismiss as a radical "so-called journalist" who had been behind several "hoaxes." The White House has since admitted the error and hence that there was no hoax involved. Just idiocy compounded into actions worse than those for which Clinton needed to be LOCKED UP. And has this kind of thing happened before? As in, were other third parties dropped into group chats in which sensitive issues were being discussed illegally by members of the cabinet, etc.?
Oh wait: WH has changed story again... it's Goldberg who's doing spin, everything else is dandy:
Leavitt:
"Jeffrey Goldberg is well-known for his sensationalist spin. Here are the facts about his latest story:
1. No "war plans" were discussed.
2. No classified material was sent to the thread.
3. The White House Counsel's Office has provided guidance on a number of different platforms for President Trump's top officials to communicate as safely and efficiently as possible.
As the National Security Council stated, the White House is looking into how Goldberg's number was inadvertently added to the thread.
Thanks to the strong and decisive leadership of President Trump, and everyone in the group, the Houthi strikes were successful and effective. Terrorists were killed and that's what matters most to President Trump."
https://newrepublic.com/post/193132/white-house-leavitt-deny-war-plans-group-chat
Well that's a fuckin spin and a half!
They would try and tell you up is down if they thought it'd help them. A lot of people would believe them too, and back them up.
True. Sure half the electorate seemingly believes them that "drain" means "fill to overflowing"
After the denials (e.g. Hegseth: "Nobody was texting war plans"), The Atlantic has published the rest of the exchange from the illegal chat Goldberg was added into ("illegal" because held outside of approved secure channels subject to state archiving, etc.)
QuoteLet us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg's cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi "Target Terrorist," was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.
https://archive.is/vnPIk
The worst, stupidest, most dishonest US cabinet of all time? Certainly a contender.
Also worth underlining one element the liberal Atlantic and its former IDF member editor-in-chief couldn't give a fuck about, precisely because it is standard US (and Israeli) practice:
QuoteAt 2 p.m., Waltz responded: "Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend's building and it's now collapsed."
This is the selfsame strategy the IDF call "Where's Daddy?" Wait for a target to arrive home, regardless of whether that's a house or an entire apartment block, then raze it to the ground along with anyone who happens to be in it at the time.
The only way to make it any worse is if some of the dumb cunts reply in the group with "Sorry only seeing these messages now, was bringing the young lad to football"
WH back to calling it a misinformation campaign:
https://bsky.app/profile/nikkimcr.bsky.social/post/3llcc5tr54c2x
I hope some folk are starting to take full measure of what these statements imply: it was all lies, all of it, all along. Unbelievable as it naturally seems, more and especially bigger lies than have ever been seen before, absolutely dwarfing Nixon's shenanigans, for example.
Nixon was innocent. Well compared to this shit he was anyway. What a mess. What the fuck are they even doing in Yemen anyway, for a lad that said he wanted nothing of foreign wars. I suppose that'll be spun some way as well. Ah fuck I dunno why I'm even having an opinion after wanting the cunt to beat Harris.
In a way, I liken the whole thing to the NIN EP trilogy from a few years back. Might find the quote but then might not. Stopping the twitter has certainly done my mind no harm. Well when I say stopping I just follow movie and music shit and some insects eating each other by the faces first but fuck me it's just a mad oul world.
More mixing of sheer cringe and cruelty from the White House, this top hopping on the latest genAI Ghibli style transformations of images, which they've applied to a woman being deported:
https://bsky.app/profile/mollyjongfast.bsky.social/post/3llh33ukt6c2g
As the top cock himself would say: nasty.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 28, 2025, 03:43:49 PMMore mixing of sheer cringe and cruelty from the White House, this top hopping on the latest genAI Ghibli style transformations of images, which they've applied to a woman being deported:
https://bsky.app/profile/mollyjongfast.bsky.social/post/3llh33ukt6c2g
As the top cock himself would say: nasty.
Is the story in the quoted text beneath true? If it is then what's so nasty about it.
Like would it be nastier than supplying the fentanyl? Seriously, which would be more harmful, the cartoon or the damage done by the stuff?
If it was for anything else other than deportations of illegal criminals (leaving out the simply being technically illegal in a country, of which there can be many confounded, of course) well then it would be in the worst possible taste.
Like if it was a murderer, would it still be in poor taste? I'm not so sure
#bothsides!
It's an official communications channel of the White House, not some random edgelord cock on Twitter. The White House should not be mocking up cartoons of visibly impoverished and distraught human beings who, for one reason or another, have found themselves sucked into the US' opioid crisis. A crisis which was created by... wealthy white people.
Are you going to allow yourself to be distracted from the real bottom line picture for ever? Scapegoating is nothing exclusive to MAGA, but I would have thought this was a blatantly dehumanizing enough example from the billionaire-riddled White House that even you would see through it.
Nothing to do with MAGA or any of that shite and nothing to do with taking both sides. Was just looking at it and thinking about it and wondering if the headline beneath the picture was true then you likely wouldn't want to keep them at your taxpayers expense. So a cartoon was made of it. So what like?
It's not an endorsement either
#nosides
It's lowest common denominator stuff aimed squarely at the xHxCx MAGAheads and you would imagine it would be off-putting to the average middle voter. But here we are in season 2 of The Apprentice, so who fucking knows. It's undignified behaviour which is unsurprising coming from the orange lad himself, but more worrying when it is being endorsed by the rest of his cabinet. Again, all bets are off for the future of the US.
I'm surprised they didn't make the skin tone difference a little more pronounced, given they're aiming the message at the kiddies. White=good, brown=criminal, remember it.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 29, 2025, 12:53:11 AMSo a cartoon was made of it. So what like?
Think about that question. Think about why it might be a very, very bad portent of things to come for the White House, the seat of government of the most powerful nation on earth, to be publicly mocking real individual people from deprived backgrounds, whoever the fuck they may happen to be. Recalling that this isn't the first time they've mocked people being deported. Recalling that there are currently many individuals who've been deported to El Salvador yet haven't been convicted of any crime. I really don't like that "wrong side of history" expression, but in this case it applies perfectly: if you're making excuses for this level of dehumanization directly from a government, you are very much on the wrong side of history. "If the Jews really are hoarding the nation's money, what's wrong with calling them untermensch and deporting them to Poland??"
To be fair, I do get that angle too, but I was strictly speaking of the fentanyl element of that particular case and how it seems harder to feel sorry for them in that context. Anyway, I'm sure there'll be plenty more ridiculous stuff to come with no angle at all to see it from with the current crowd
Fentanyl is a cog in their propaganda machine: internalize that fact. If you hear them talking about or mentioning fentanyl, they're in propaganda mode. They turned that cog for the Canada and Mexico border tariffs thing too. The tragic fentanyl/opioid crisis is a 100% wealthy white homegrown issue that they are trying to convince US citizens is actually a problem that dirty brown people are bringing in. Eye on the ball.
"Trinity warns staff not to answer US government request for diversity and equality information"
https://www.thejournal.ie/us-government-universities-ireland-6662142-Mar2025/
Similar requests have been sent to universities in France, UK, and presumably other nations too.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 29, 2025, 11:20:30 AMFentanyl is a cog in their propaganda machine: internalize that fact. If you hear them talking about or mentioning fentanyl, they're in propaganda mode. They turned that cog for the Canada and Mexico border tariffs thing too. The tragic fentanyl/opioid crisis is a 100% wealthy white homegrown issue that they are trying to convince US citizens is actually a problem that dirty brown people are bringing in. Eye on the ball.
Ah look, like all drug smuggling, it's the poorest who will be made take the chances and I'm sure the colour of them entirely depends on which border they're crossing. Yes it could be viewed from a racist angle but you'd have to be looking at it that way. Funnily enough, that part didn't occur to me, not even joking.
Would you still think it was as bad if the cartoon was a white lad at the Canadian border? Hypothetically, obviously, because the cartoon wasn't a white lad. They should just do that next and then it's simply drug smugglers living illegally in the country who would be vilified. Doubt most would be as bothered about that, although without drug smugglers I'd have missed a lot of fun times, so I'm fairly ambivalent about them now that I'm thinking about it
The DEI is another thing that needed to go tbf but I can see how it was a nice idea and the reactionary element of everything now is just the other extreme. I wonder if there'll ever be equality of opportunity without somebody saying they're in a minority, or somebody being accused of being a diversity hire
Quote from: astfgyl on March 29, 2025, 12:59:19 PMWould you still think it was as bad if the cartoon was a white lad at the Canadian border?
If the cartoon was based on a photo of a clearly distraught and, based on appearances, most likely impoverished Canadian white lad crying their eyes out over being arrested, would I still think it was an inexcusably inhuman, crass, and puerile way for anyone, let alone an official government channel, to communicate?
Yes.
Fair enough.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/03/25/florida-child-labor-law-bill-2025/82657143007/
QuoteFlorida SB 918 is the latest bill lawmakers have put forward targeting child labor laws in the state. If passed, it would allow children as young as 14 to work overnight shifts, and allow teens to work overnight jobs during the school week.
Great idea. It should also distract them from the evils of constant masturbation :laugh:
MAGA is out to make the world a stupider place, exhibit 18732A-Y:
https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3lloctu7l422q
Revelling in their own acts of cruelty. MAGA FUCKSTICKS are sub-human detritus.
Cory Booker is well into the 22nd hour of his filibuster senate speech. Record is 24 hours and 18 minutes, set in 1957 by a segregationist protesting the civil rights act. Whatever else, quite a human feat.
Edit: Record beaten, and he's still going.
So many profoundly disturbing little bits in here
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypdy05jl9o
That photograph alone is terrifying. What a world.
Pronatalism as an idea is laudable enough I think. The problem with any good idea is that when it comes into contact with politics it instantly becomes toxified, or it at least loses credibility with 50% off the populace.
Is pronatalism (whether good or bad) not inherently political?
In other news, looks like Musk's million dollar checks attempt at voter fraud to swing the Wisconsin Supreme Court to MAGA didn't pay off.
I wouldn't have seen pronatalism as inherently political, but there's no doubt it will be now. The alternative is a little bleak in places with ageing populations but then of course all those new people will have to eventually get to pension age and the new births enough to support that etc and so on.
Could be a good use for AI, to figure out exactly how many are needed to keep it on a reasonable level, and then offer decent supports for those who do choose to be the baby makers and those who don't, well that's their choice and they won't have to pay for the kids.
Anyway, whatever, watch it being weaponised like everything else lately.
I'm thoroughly impressed with the lad beating the filibuster record. Fair play to him. He should have steamed it on twitch or something
Quote from: astfgyl on April 02, 2025, 12:38:03 PMI wouldn't have seen pronatalism as inherently political, but there's no doubt it will be now. The alternative is a little bleak in places with ageing populations but then of course all those new people will have to eventually get to pension age and the new births enough to support that etc
and so on.
Could be a good use for AI, to figure out exactly how many are needed to keep it on a reasonable level, and then offer decent supports for those who do choose to be the baby makers and those who don't, well that's their choice and they won't have to pay for the kids.
Anyway, whatever, watch it being weaponised like everything else lately.
I'm thoroughly impressed with the lad beating the filibuster record. Fair play to him. He should have steamed it on twitch or something
https://youtube.com/@ushouseclerk?si=jn0C-FrqetFsVyX-
Clerks office has live streams every day. Other channels do too. Fair play
to him. The mad fucker.
Today's Liberation Day. Otherwise known as stupid fucking tariff that helps no one day.
By the sounds of it over here, it will liberate us from having a few bob in the pockets, but I haven't seen any details of anything so far
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So there's trillions knocked off the stock market because of these tarriffs. I'm not up with the stock market and economics and shit like that, but I take it these tarrifs have been a big big mistake and everyone is getting fucked in the ass, yanks and all? Could this not be seen a mile away?
Or is there a positive spin somewhere in this?
Help an idiot out
Positive if you're in a position to seize massive amounts of devalued assets.
What point does it have to hit before the White House is lynched?
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
They were though...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 03, 2025, 04:02:51 PMPositive if you're in a position to seize massive amounts of devalued assets.
That is likely the point of it indeed
So everything is worth shit, guys buy it dirt cheap. Things go up in value, people who bought it are quids in?
Very text book villian stuff. Wasn't that the plot in one of the police academy movies? One without Steve Guntenburg?
Robber baron stuff. It's what happens if you elect a robber baron whose unelected number 1 is a robber baron and whose inauguration is attended by the top five robber barons in the nation.
Somehow many didn't see it coming. Even among those who weren't home "schooled"
Yeah this shit isn't remotely surprising to anyone with more than two braincells, but unfortunately there's far too many people with barely those two.
Crash the market. Buy assets at knockdown price. But trans something something...
LOOK OVER THERE! IMMIGRANTS!
I think things were looking so silly in the other direction that it was simply reactionary that he was elected again.
Had they thrown up any sort of a centrist against him, he'd surely have stayed gone.
Another crash, another wealth transfer. Same as banking crash, same as covid. And now if someone shoots him, it'll be Vance getting in. I guess nothing will really change ever
Harris is a centrist. Biden is a centrist. Liberalism is centrism. It took enormous effort to make liberalism look like communism. And in fact, it never did look like communism. It's just that the target audience was hundreds of millions of meticulously prepared minds lacking in any concept of intelligent reasoning.
And since you mention COVID: if you still haven't realized--even with a lethally dangerous mook like RFK as secretary of the department of health--that at the very least, very charitably, half the stuff you personally ended up believing about the pandemic was in fact an integral part of that preparation, then there's not much anyone can do for you.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 03, 2025, 06:44:06 PMAnd since you mention COVID: if you still haven't realized--even with a lethally dangerous mook like RFK as secretary of the department of health--that at the very least, very charitably, half the stuff you personally ended up believing about the pandemic was in fact an integral part of that preparation, then there's not much anyone can do for you.
I equally think that your buying in entirely to the solution that didn't work makes it that there's not a lot can be done for you not seeing the sickening transfer of wealth involved.
Sometimes I wonder if you're a communist at all
I didn't buy in entirely to anything. I kept my head on me, is what I did. And lo and behold, rather than the majority of the population, the only people currently in concentration camps have been put there illegally by MAGA.
Were they illegally in the country, by any chance? I actually don't even read about it anymore other than what's on here or seeps in through the radio or telly
Some were, some weren't. But still, concentration camps in 2025...
Quote from: astfgyl on April 03, 2025, 11:57:07 PMWere they illegally in the country, by any chance?
Turn around and face the right direction, then you might start asking the right questions.
Thought I was already facing far right as it was :P
I for one at down with the 10% tariff on the Heard and McDonalds Islands. For far too long our Penguin Overlords have ruled the roost on their uninhibited island.
Is that the region where the only human habitation is a U.S. airbase? They really are fucking dullards.
Quote from: Ollkiller on April 04, 2025, 12:59:59 AMI for one at down with the 10& tariff on the Heard and McDonalds Islands. For far too long our Penguin Overlords have ruled the roost on their uninhibited island.
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He's clearly just continuing Bush's legacy and actually taking action to ensure safety for the fish
Quote from: Carnage on April 04, 2025, 01:10:56 AMIs that the region where the only human habitation is a U.S. airbase? They really are fucking dullards.
Don't think there's any humans at all there.
Eerily accurate:
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Seen on social media:
QuoteGenuinely incredible how quickly the right globally has pivoted to unironically going "you will own nothing and you'll be happy"
More juvenile encouragement to be cruel straight from the White House:
https://www.firstpost.com/world/na-na-hey-hey-goodbye-white-house-faces-backlash-for-dehumanising-deportation-video-13877693.html
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 06, 2025, 11:14:25 PMSeen on social media:
QuoteGenuinely incredible how quickly the right globally has pivoted to unironically going "you will own nothing and you'll be happy"
Had that thought myself. Awful bang of great reset off it
104% for China.
Is America going to end up cutting itself off from the world?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 08, 2025, 07:54:46 PM104% for China.
Is America going to end up cutting itself off from the world?
Maybe. See China can weather this for a long time. If times are tough there's no protests against the regime. If prices and inflation rise in America you'll see protests.
I think he picked 104% because of how it sounds in a shocked Chinese accent
Richard Hanania seems to be coming to a realization that the alt-right red pill was in fact just the blue pill but with red food colouring:
https://x.com/richardhanania/status/1909269005866811696
Twitter is down, what did he say?
I see htere's something about Musk and one of Trumps other guys having a public spat on social media. Has the wheels started to come off now..?
Quote from: Richard HananiaThe two most disastrous decisions taken by world leaders over the last few years are Putin's invasion of Ukraine and Trump's tariffs.
Toxic masculinity works as a framework for understanding fantasies of both conquest and factory jobs.
Feminists may have been on to something.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 09, 2025, 12:56:05 PMI see htere's something about Musk and one of Trumps other guys having a public spat on social media. Has the wheels started to come off now..?
Musk and the supposed "mastermind" behind the particulars of the tariff scheme, Peter Navarro.
Yeah thats the fella. Wonder who gets the boot first?
Stable genius...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-claims-nazis-treated-jewish-143613005.html?guccounter=1
Sometimes you wonder if you're reading a parody site
Still, I'd have to see the actual clip first to believe it
Just read it. I think it's another one of those "fine people" ones and slightly misrepresented. Seems more like he's talking about people who helped the Jews rather than the nazis in general but it's still as dumb as fuck and he should have kept that one in his head for a bit longer but then again does he ever keep anything in his head? I doubt it
Further deregulation of crypto, in an atmosphere where Trump is essentially accepting crypto bribes for private meets:
QuoteThe DOJ ordered the Market Integrity and Major Frauds Unit to stop cryptocurrency enforcement and to instead focus on immigration and procurement frauds.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5238617-trump-disband-crypto-enforcement-unit/
China is at 125% and they responded with an 85%
It's like a pair of kids in the playground.
At least he has pulled back on the rest of the world for now.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-09/billionaires-score-best-ever-day-as-tariff-pause-jolts-market
Billionaire wealth jumped $304 billion in one day, Musk alone by $36 billion.
Isnt it illegal to manipulate the stock market for financial gain?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on April 10, 2025, 08:57:45 AMIsnt it illegal to manipulate the stock market for financial gain?
Yes it is. Who's gonna stop them though.
The "pause" yesterday has everything to do with the bond yield market not liking the tariffs.
Pure cult*:
https://x.com/yashar/status/1910040560103989626
That's cult, not kvlt
Tis all great craic where I work anyway. Wait no, it's the exact opposite!
Was taking the laissez-faire attitude to it all but now it's all anyone wants to talk about is these stupid tariffs and why they won't buy what I'm selling..
Will any of this do anything for the EU economy in the longer term though? Like will it increase indigenous production or anything positive at all? Serious question because I've been staying away from most of it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 10, 2025, 01:54:07 PMPure cult*:
https://x.com/yashar/status/1910040560103989626
That's cult, not kvlt
She had him facing Mordor, which is appropriate, I suppose.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 10, 2025, 01:54:07 PMPure cult*:
https://x.com/yashar/status/1910040560103989626
That's not how I've been spelling it, every day you learn something new I suppose
We won't be having any learning something new every day, thank you very much: too high a risk of illegal ideas.
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People reduced to 'it' seems very on brand for MAGA. Reduce them to objects and remove the emotion from it.
They've already reduced their punishment to entertainment several times now, so this seems mild on that front. Hmm... punishment as entertainment: I'm thinking that might be a bit closer to the decadence of Rome than "woke" :D
'Pressed for evidence against Mahmoud Khalil, government cites its power to deport people for beliefs'
https://apnews.com/article/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-university-trump-c60738368171289ae43177660def8d34
Two thought-police leaning stories in one day. But like, literal
policing of thought, not the "woke censorship!" hysteria of the last few years.
https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-releases/dhs-to-begin-screening-aliens-social-media-activity-for-antisemitism
QuoteToday U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) will begin considering aliens' antisemitic activity on social media and the physical harassment of Jewish individuals as grounds for denying immigration benefit requests.
Given current events, this is essentially a cynical means for targeting and excluding those of Arab origin or sympathy.
No US tour for Kneecap, so.
I don't have the vocab to properly articulate what's in my head regarding Trump's current activity. I'm baffled at how well he has duped the majority of Americans into following him in his journey of world domination. I don't get how the republicans of all people who bang on about freedom, who claim to be pro-America and the American dream, think that this guy is the man for them as he blatantly seizes absolute power and amasses more and more wealth for himself and his mates. When comes the republican revolution? They need to march on the White House at this stage and get him out. And as I've said before, if this is where politics is headed in the US, I don't know how the democrats can wrest control back without going full retard. I am stumped.
"republicans of all people"
I think that framing itself goes a long way to explaining how he has duped so many people. Republicans have been the party of militant conservatism for longer than you have been on this planet.
Exactly that. My point is that they are so conservative, so how have they let this radical come in a second time- a person who is the opposite in every way of conservatism, from his demeanour to his bulldozing approach to policies. Conservatives are supposed to be a bit more slow and steady- I know it doesn't work exactly like that in America with their endless entanglements in wars across the globe, but even taking that into consideration he is a wild card. In theory at least the left are more inclined to calling for radical change, tearing the system apart etc. That's my limited understanding of it at least. Trump is so unstable and such a destabilising force; maybe he is the anarchist you've always been dreaming of :-* ;)
The last person to tear things apart to such a radical extent was Reagan, Trump's true Republican predecessor.
Saw some of his cabinet meeting on twitter earlier. Got bored, started thinking about tulsi gabbard's arse instead.
But yeah I still blame the opposition for him getting elected. They got very authoritarian over the last few years in their liberalism. Anyone half decent up for election against trump would surely have beaten him but it was the hapless Biden or the headless Harris, or Donald fucking trump.
A real hobson's choice
They didn't get "authoritarian." What's happening now is "getting authoritarian."
I do agree that the DNC lost more than MAGA won. That imo wasn't so much on either Biden or Harris in particular though, but the entire party and its schtick. But all that "woke fascism" stuff... anyone who bought into that let themselves get well and truly hoodwinked by the MAGA crowd and their useful idiots/moles/dicks like Bill Maher.
Was Maher not a vocal critic of Trump? And vice versa, obviously, cos Trump is too thin-skinned to simply take any form of criticism. Up until this week anyway, when the two of them had a sit down, which was apparently very civil.
Just in the sense that Maher may have done more rants about "woke" over the last few years than even Tucker Carlson, which was ultimately helping no one but MAGA. You just have to revisit any of the pieces he did about the student protestors to remember how conservative he is deep down. Not at all surprising he has discovered he has more in common with Trump than what differentiates them: both unbearable, smarmy, know-it-all-but-thick, self-interested rich-boy cocks.
Much of that is correct but to paraphrase some quote I recently read, what is a party in power supposed to do for their population? Make them better off.
I think we can all agree that the democrats took their eye off the ball and got side tracked with the culture war stuff, instead of making the population better off. Was it a worthwhile fight? Maybe, maybe not but that is what cost them the election and allowed that idiot get in.
I'm all for fair representation but DEI was a very easy stick the Maga crowd could use to beat the Dems with, to just use one example.
I guess what I'm saying is I see astfgls point of view but I'm not getting too involved in the debate. Passive observation is more than enough for me.
We're on the same page, more or less. I don't think the DNC got side-tracked though: it's a party of majority centrist liberals, all on various lobby payrolls, all resisting any kind of deep change; all the "woke" stuff was a very cheap way for the DNC to appear progressive without actually being progressive in concrete resource terms (see also FFG). So "we're good because woke" is just as shallow imo as "we're good because anti-woke", but the latter is still comparatively the crueler of the two positions on a human level. Don't trust or believe anything cruel people say, unless they're telling you about cruel acts they hope to commit. And even at that, don't believe them if they tell you they don't intend to be cruel to you.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 13, 2025, 04:53:18 PMall the "woke" stuff was a very cheap way for the DNC to appear progressive without actually being progressive in concrete resource terms (see also FFG).
All the "woke" stuff by the Dems was fluff. There was nothing really meaningful behind it, nor was there going to be much change. But, I think they got too involved in it. Traditional politics of actual policies was entirely lacking. Harris was clueless as a candidate in that regard.
"So "we're good because woke" is just as shallow imo as "we're good because anti-woke", but the latter is still comparatively the crueler of the two positions on a human level."
Can't argue with that and, much like you, the Dems being the lesser of two evils would have been enough for me to vote for them, regardless of lack of policy, but we're at where we're at.
I'm sure there'll be a sense of buyer's remorse from certain sections of trump voters unless money starts going into pockets very soon.
I do agree that Democrats lost more than conservatives won, and the whole culture war thing was an easy target that Democrats needed to distance themselves from, but they didn't.
Making people who work richer would be good policy, same as it should be here but I don't feel it in my pocket here either
Yeah I think it's less to do with the dems actually being "woke" or not and more that they were associated with it, and woke is currently on the downswing in terms of its place in popular culture, so I think that hurt them a fair bit.
Realistically though people tend to mainly vote based on the economy and rarely are informed as to why the economy is the way it is, so they just blame the government whether it was their fault or not, which is one of the biggest reasons why the dems are out (along with having shite candidates). Trump is currently absolutely tanking the economy in a way that is very obviously the government's fault, so the tide won't be too long before turning on him from all but his staunchest supporters. The real question is whether there will even be a real vote in 4yrs...
Bukele has rejected the notion of helping to return the unlawfully deported and currently incarcerated Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The level of what is commonly referred to as Stalinism has been reached in the US: the party makes no errors, therefore there can be no errors to correct, regardless of the gravity of the concrete human consequences.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/14/trump-kilmar-bukele-el-salvador-prison/83079141007/
Still not surprising. We can say what we like about the shitty DNC, the introspective question, for anyone who didn't see this kind of shit coming from MAGA, remains: Why not? Why didn't you see this coming? What in you was so easily distracted by culture war nonsense that you didn't see this coming? And if you identify it, think about how to get rid of it so no one else can use it to hoodwink you again.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 14, 2025, 06:11:53 PMBukele has rejected the notion of helping to return the unlawfully deported and currently incarcerated Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The level of what is commonly referred to as Stalinism has been reached in the US: the party makes no errors, therefore there can be no errors to correct, regardless of the gravity of the concrete human consequences.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/14/trump-kilmar-bukele-el-salvador-prison/83079141007/
Still not surprising. We can say what we like about the shitty DNC, the introspective question, for anyone who didn't see this kind of shit coming from MAGA, remains: Why not? Why didn't you see this coming? What in you was so easily distracted by culture war nonsense that you didn't see this coming? And if you identify it, think about how to get rid of it so no one else can use it to hoodwink you again.
A lot of the more right-leaning folks on this forum
are noticeably conspicuous by their absence on this thread of late...
Especially after what they wrote elsewhere on the forum. "Can't see another point of view"... yeah, sorry I don't agree with the current US dictatorship.
I'm not really thinking about "I told you so": looking forward, folk need to realize that some of their personal unrecognized and unresolved issues are genuine liabilities to society. The RN in France, if they got into power, would do MAGA-esque shit. Ditto for Vox in Spain, AfD in Germany, Reform in the UK, etc., etc. And given the global scale of modern communication, anyone anywhere in the world can either amplify or diminish the chances of that happening. So, as an illustration, the more exposure a cock like Andrew Tate gets in the English speaking world makes it more likely that he'll get greater exposure in other spheres and, hey presto, a boost in popularity for Vox among young males in Spain, and so on. And all those far right* movements know that's how the dynamic works, which is precisely why they're so chummy with each other despite their surface level "isolationism."
*Also hope, in passing, everyone's gotten over their propaganda-triggered confusion over what this term means.
Quote from: Mooncat on April 14, 2025, 06:27:17 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 14, 2025, 06:11:53 PMBukele has rejected the notion of helping to return the unlawfully deported and currently incarcerated Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The level of what is commonly referred to as Stalinism has been reached in the US: the party makes no errors, therefore there can be no errors to correct, regardless of the gravity of the concrete human consequences.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/14/trump-kilmar-bukele-el-salvador-prison/83079141007/
Still not surprising. We can say what we like about the shitty DNC, the introspective question, for anyone who didn't see this kind of shit coming from MAGA, remains: Why not? Why didn't you see this coming? What in you was so easily distracted by culture war nonsense that you didn't see this coming? And if you identify it, think about how to get rid of it so no one else can use it to hoodwink you again.
A lot of the more right-leaning folks on this forum are noticeably conspicuous by their absence on this thread of late...
I'm still here!!
Quote from: astfgyl on April 14, 2025, 07:27:25 PMQuote from: Mooncat on April 14, 2025, 06:27:17 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 14, 2025, 06:11:53 PMBukele has rejected the notion of helping to return the unlawfully deported and currently incarcerated Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The level of what is commonly referred to as Stalinism has been reached in the US: the party makes no errors, therefore there can be no errors to correct, regardless of the gravity of the concrete human consequences.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/14/trump-kilmar-bukele-el-salvador-prison/83079141007/
Still not surprising. We can say what we like about the shitty DNC, the introspective question, for anyone who didn't see this kind of shit coming from MAGA, remains: Why not? Why didn't you see this coming? What in you was so easily distracted by culture war nonsense that you didn't see this coming? And if you identify it, think about how to get rid of it so no one else can use it to hoodwink you again.
A lot of the more right-leaning folks on this forum are noticeably conspicuous by their absence on this thread of late...
I'm still here!!
I actually did consider mentioning you by name as the exception :laugh: Fair play to you for being able to take stock and question previously held beliefs ideas though, not a lot of people would. That's why I'm curious where some of the other folk are landing now. Are they questioning, or are there still mental gymnastics going on. It's not even about completely going the other way and changing your belief system, just about questioning what's happening right now and how you feel about it.
I think Maga did see a lot of this coming and it's what they wanted because they were blaming their being poorer on paying for foreign wars and paying for illegals, or refugees, or economic migrants.. whichever name one prefers to put on it.
It will be interesting if he hasn't dramatically done something by the midterms to make people feel the money
In case of continued failure, he'll just blame it on someone or something else. The millions who voted for him this time all either genuinely believe he had an election stolen from him or are fine with him having acted as though that were the case, to the extreme detriment of US social cohesion. These people are not in full control of their faculties. They are engineered to be uninquisitive in ways that span their entire existences. Do not question: accept on authority, whether that authority be God or Trump, his servant/instrument. Perfectly persuadable minds.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 14, 2025, 08:00:06 PMI think Maga did see a lot of this coming and it's what they wanted because they were blaming their being poorer on paying for foreign wars and paying for illegals, or refugees, or economic migrants.. whichever name one prefers to put on it.
It will be interesting if he hasn't dramatically done something by the midterms to make people feel the money
To give people more money he needs to scrap 99% of the tariffs. What galls me is so many leaders take no stock of history. Look at any time previously where tariffs were introduced. Did they work. Fuck no. It's insane economic policy that makes the working class poorer.
Edit. Also, unless your plan is to tank the economy and buy distressed assets for you and your mates.
Dunno if I'm being lumped in with the alt right brigade here for being someone who despises the woke carry on or not, but I've always detested Trump. I didn't go as far as calling him Hitler in the past as I've always considered him more of a mé féiner, out for what he can get. The current activity I find very troubling on a different level. Surrounding himself with loyalists and bulldozing everything he wants through, benefiting himself and his pals to the detriment of everyone and everything else feels very dangerous. I listened to an interesting interview with Niall Ferguson yesterday that gave me some optimism about possible future outcomes of Trump's reign.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 14, 2025, 10:29:08 PMDunno if I'm being lumped in with the alt right brigade here for being someone who despises the woke carry on or not, but I've always detested Trump. I didn't go as far as calling him Hitler in the past as I've always considered him more of a mé féiner, out for what he can get. The current activity I find very troubling on a different level. Surrounding himself with loyalists and bulldozing everything he wants through, benefiting himself and his pals to the detriment of everyone and everything else feels very dangerous. I listened to an interesting interview with Niall Ferguson yesterday that gave me some optimism about possible future outcomes of Trump's reign.
Is that Niall Ferguson that wrote in The Sunday Times for ages. He's an interesting guy. I do miss his articles in the times. He is a huge advocate for looking at history to avoid making the same mistakes.
Yup. He is an historian so that's his angle.
Did he have anything to say positive about the oul tariffs?
Yes what he's doing now does seem rather like megalomania and it does look like he's simply making his rich friends richer but I do wonder what, if anything, might trickle down to the average US consumer in the medium to long term. Maybe nothing and I've steered clear of too many opinions on it one way or the other but I can see myself how the tariffs announcements were pure stock market manipulation without having to have it pointed out too much.
Another thing is that as much as Democrats were accused of importing voters, his policies could be accused of ridding the place of future democrat voters, although I've no idea of the figures involved like how many have actually been removed and whatnot or what is the change in net migration, has it just been rebranded and continues apace with a few headline cases as mostly distraction? Dunno tbh but some of you lads might
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 14, 2025, 10:29:08 PMDunno if I'm being lumped in with the alt right brigade here for being someone who despises the woke carry on or not, but I've always detested Trump. I didn't go as far as calling him Hitler in the past as I've always considered him more of a mé féiner, out for what he can get. The current activity I find very troubling on a different level. Surrounding himself with loyalists and bulldozing everything he wants through, benefiting himself and his pals to the detriment of everyone and everything else feels very dangerous. I listened to an interesting interview with Niall Ferguson yesterday that gave me some optimism about possible future outcomes of Trump's reign.
What's the gist of the stuff he said that gave you optimism?
To Bukele:
Quote"Home-growns are next. The home-growns. You gotta build about five more places. It's not big enough."
https://www.latintimes.com/trump-demands-el-salvador-builds-more-prisons-vowing-send-more-deportees-home-growns-are-next-580710
Compounding a punitive system, already rife with injustice and profit-oriented corruption, by exporting it to places where the per prisoner fee is significantly lower. As well as the human rights record. And trustworthiness of the justice system.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 14, 2025, 11:00:23 PMYup. He is an historian so that's his angle.
Where was the interview on? Link?
https://youtu.be/EL6DkUOxfSE?si=ctG8lGAvDcwHxE9u
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 15, 2025, 01:01:30 AMhttps://youtu.be/EL6DkUOxfSE?si=ctG8lGAvDcwHxE9u
Nice one.
I see Malachy Steenson was strolling about town with Tucker Carlson and McGregor there yesterday. No doubt there's some quality content on the way from that meeting of mooks.
I wonder if they'll make much mention of trump devaluing my fucking pension the oul cunt
Quote from: astfgyl on April 16, 2025, 09:27:36 AMI wonder if they'll make much mention of trump devaluing my fucking pension the oul cunt
That happened to me as well, had to lock it down so stop the losses and now I'll be making fuck all on it, complete shower of cunts!
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The effect in real time of unbridled MAGA on predicted Canadian election outcomes, based on polling data over time.
Graphs, big graphs, no one has ever seen the like of it before, reminds me of the tennis player, Steffi Graf, great player, German, we kicked their ass in the war you know, we buy their cars but they don't buy ours, so unfair, losers, Steffi Graf is a loser too, ever seen the nose on her, American tennis players are beautiful, all 10's, strong players.....
:laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: The Heretic on April 16, 2025, 12:26:49 PMGraphs, big graphs, no one has ever seen the like of it before, reminds me of the tennis player, Steffi Graf, great player, German, we kicked their ass in the war you know, we buy their cars but they don't buy ours, so unfair, losers, Steffi Graf is a loser too, ever seen the nose on her, American tennis players are beautiful, all 10's, strong players.....
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: The Heretic on April 16, 2025, 12:26:49 PMGraphs, big graphs, no one has ever seen the like of it before, reminds me of the tennis player, Steffi Graf, great player, German, we kicked their ass in the war you know, we buy their cars but they don't buy ours, so unfair, losers, Steffi Graf is a loser too, ever seen the nose on her, American tennis players are beautiful, all 10's, strong players.....
:laugh: very good.
More casual cringe cruelty from the White House twitter account:
https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3ln3vmsxpjk2h
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 18, 2025, 04:48:29 PMMore casual cringe cruelty from the White House twitter account:
https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3ln3vmsxpjk2h
So infantile. And seemingly online plenty of morons lapping it up.
So from what I read this dude was accused of being in that gang years ago, but no case was ever brought forward for prosecution. Supposedly no evidence he was ever in that gang. And he's been living legally for years.
So what we have now is not deportation any more. They're kidnapping people off the street and deporting them without due process. 1984 meets the handmaid's tale.
Comrade Caomhin has gone especially quiet about his Trump Furher, funny that...
Quote from: Ducky on April 18, 2025, 05:42:41 PMComrade Caomhin
Careful: your "leathan le caol" faux-pas there might be enough to bring him howlin' back! :P :laugh:
Boebert on Fox News last night: "Wall Street is full of communists selling their stocks to hurt President Trump."
Wall Street full of communists, from the people who fed you "Harris is a Marxist!" :laugh:
I always wondered how Marxists could be in the pocket of Big Business.
Marxists.
Big Business.
Marxists.
Big Business.
Another fine switcharoo there :laugh:
Sure doesn't everyone know about all the communists on Wall Street ffs
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Just like building the Titanic, when the Rapture comes the catholics won't be invited, going on MTG's post-Pope passing post.
Nothing new about that though:
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 18, 2025, 05:48:36 PMQuote from: Ducky on April 18, 2025, 05:42:41 PMComrade Caomhin
Careful: your "leathan le caol" faux-pas there might be enough to bring him howlin' back! :P :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
He's probably too busy winning platinum medals for the mental gymnastics necessary to not see what's wrong with Trump.
Hello right wing FUCKSTICKS, care to justify this one? No? Okay then.
https://newrepublic.com/post/194245/rfk-jr-disease-registry-track-autistic-people
Oooooohhhh... in a time where sinister goings on have become normalised, that is especially sinister.
I don't get it. Would most countries not have a register of who is autistic or not? I suppose it would be anonymous in other places, or should be anyway.
I'm surprised myself at how many people who were against the likes of the world economic forum are now quite happy to have their privacy taken away because the orange boy and his minions are the ones doing it.
Mad stuff really
RFK is a drugged out mentaller, and they're happy to weaponise this sort of shit.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 23, 2025, 08:41:49 AMI'm surprised myself at how many people who were against the likes of the world economic forum are now quite happy to have their privacy taken away because the orange boy and his minions are the ones doing it.
And how many people who were crying "Lock her up!" over Hilary's emails are now defending Hegseth exporting information of the highest state classification level onto his private phone and then sharing it with friends and family and random journalists.
They're brainwashed, plain and simple. They fell for "the enemy of the DNC is my friend." The only thing I'm still surprised by is how anyone benefiting from the distance of not being a US citizen let themselves get pulled into the same bullshit.
RFK thinks autism is a result of vaccines. At best, this is just utilising the condition to wage war on vaccinations. At worst, who fucken knows what the wacko will do? He has pledged to find the cause of Autism by September.
QuoteWe're going to look at vaccines, but we're going to look at everything," Kennedy later said during an interview with Fox News about the scope of the undertaking. "Everything is on the table, our food system, our water, our air, different ways of parenting, all the kind of changes that may have triggered this epidemic."
In a statement the Autism Society of America called Kennedy's plan "harmful, misleading, and unrealistic".
"It is neither a chronic illness nor a contagion," the society said.
Christopher Banks, the society's president, questioned whether the research efforts would be transparent and said claims that autism is solely caused by environmental factors were "misleading theories (which) perpetuate harmful stigma, jeopardize public health, and distract from the critical needs of the autism community."
Kennedy has also alarmed some over his hiring of David Geier, who has been described by some as a conspiracy theorist, to research vaccines and autism, and on Thursday Democrats in the US House of Representatives wrote to HHS "to express our urgent concern" over the selection of "a biased and discredited individual".
Geier is a leading vaccine sceptic who was fined by the state of Maryland for practicing medicine without a medical degree or licence and prescribing dangerous treatments to autistic children.
The discredited idea that childhood vaccines are linked to autism first gained mainstream attention after a paper published in 1998 in the medical journal The Lancet by British doctor Andrew Wakefield.
Wakefield was later found to have financial conflicts of interest and the UK's General Medical Council found that he falsified his results. The research paper was retracted.
There's not much of an "at best" when "anti-vax" is being combined with "pro-natalism" (as not only MAGA as a whole, but also RFK individually is doing): infant mortality rates will go up, especially among resource deprived populations.
The anti vax thing is fucked. Really fucking backwards bullshit. As I've said before, I think pro-natalism isn't necessarily bad, but maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture. I think the apocalyptic messaging around climate change has spread unhealthy amounts of fear and despair into the minds of younger generations and having a more optimistic view of the future, of humanity, and trying to remind people that having a family is in fact normal and positive is worthwhile. Obviously when the message becomes a political football it gets silly, but as with most subjects there is a level of reasonableness that is potentially useful. In my Nazi opinion, of course.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 23, 2025, 10:58:25 AMThey're brainwashed, plain and simple.
https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lngw2yhdkc2o
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 23, 2025, 10:58:25 AMQuote from: astfgyl on April 23, 2025, 08:41:49 AMI'm surprised myself at how many people who were against the likes of the world economic forum are now quite happy to have their privacy taken away because the orange boy and his minions are the ones doing it.
And how many people who were crying "Lock her up!" over Hilary's emails are now defending Hegseth exporting information of the highest state classification level onto his private phone and then sharing it with friends and family and random journalists.
They're brainwashed, plain and simple. They fell for "the enemy of the DNC is my friend." The only thing I'm still surprised by is how anyone benefiting from the distance of not being a US citizen let themselves get pulled into the same bullshit.
Well I thought the Republicans talked a good game but hindsight is 20/20. Still reckon anyone but Harris or indeed Biden would have won against trump and I don't think she lost because of the democratic party itself, more that she just gave the impression she didn't know what she was doing or had no policies. Now I did read her manifesto after ollkiller pointed me to it, and it wasn't bad either but I doubt many would believe that she wrote it.
The yanks really do seem to double down on their politics in the face of everything to be fair, but surely there's a lot has happened since the inauguration that has made at least some of them wonder how they've ended up with this shit.
I wonder has he done anything good at all yet? I'm not seeing anything about it if he did
As for the vaccines and autism thing..
Like anything it's worth looking at but I don't ever think that could be definitively linked at all at all. It's just as likely to be absolutely anything else you can think of and there's no way rfk is going to find the cause by September whatsoever. He's talking shite there.
The worst thing that ever happened regarding vaccines was covid and it wasn't even the products themselves as far as I can see, it was just that lots of people, including me, don't like being forced to do certain things. Leaving it entirely voluntary would have left all the anti stuff where it was all along and nobody would be thinking about it
Quote from: astfgyl on April 23, 2025, 01:56:03 PMI doubt many would believe that she wrote it.
Sometimes I honestly don't know if you're joking or not :laugh:
Yeah the vaccine thing is worth looking at. Which is precisely why it has been looked at repeatedly and no link has been found.
As for the pro-natalism thing, I don't think climate change is the big factor driving the birthrate down. It's more to do with the global housing crisis, cost of living, shit job prospects, childcare costs, etc. A lot of younger people see raising kids in such an unstable social and economic climate as a bad move, especially when they can barely navigate it themselves.
Saw this recently and it gave me a chuckle at how accurate it is...
QuoteI just love the idea that if news of asbestos being problematic was released today, a subset of people would post up pics of them sleeping in it or snorting it or something
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 23, 2025, 02:22:23 PMQuote from: astfgyl on April 23, 2025, 01:56:03 PMI doubt many would believe that she wrote it.
Sometimes I honestly don't know if you're joking or not :laugh:
No, I played that one straight. I mean you'd believe that Trump thought of whatever he's saying all by himself, for better or worse, but her manifesto was in direct contradiction with everything about her visible personality.
Quote from: Ducky on April 23, 2025, 04:12:15 PMYeah the vaccine thing is worth looking at. Which is precisely why it has been looked at repeatedly and no link has been found.
As for the pro-natalism thing, I don't think climate change is the big factor driving the birthrate down. It's more to do with the global housing crisis, cost of living, shit job prospects, childcare costs, etc. A lot of younger people see raising kids in such an unstable social and economic climate as a bad move, especially when they can barely navigate it themselves.
Saw this recently and it gave me a chuckle at how accurate it is...
QuoteI just love the idea that if news of asbestos being problematic was released today, a subset of people would post up pics of them sleeping in it or snorting it or something
Honestly I don't know how much that has been looked at as I haven't read anything for or against vaccines since the covid days but I think even looking at it is fairly pointless because there's too many other possible factors. It's just as likely to be food colouring or tap water or god knows what
Thankfully those who actually do autism research don't get discouraged so easily.
Between the autism/vax stuff and his beef dripping is better than seed oils, maybe this man is just a misunderstood genius?
I wonder has he considered if beef tallow could cure autism yet? I bet it does...
Quote...more than 47% of the [US] public have a negative view of [Tesla]. Another 27% are positive on the electric vehicle maker. [...] "Where Tesla is strongest is among the people least likely to buy an EV," said Micah Roberts, partner at Public Opinion Strategies, the Republican pollster for the survey.
Reminded me of this :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYeLAwSpYus
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/22/about-half-of-americans-have-a-negative-view-on-tesla-and-elon-musk-cnbc-survey-finds.html
Quote from: Ducky on April 23, 2025, 04:12:15 PMYeah the vaccine thing is worth looking at. Which is precisely why it has been looked at repeatedly and no link has been found.
As for the pro-natalism thing, I don't think climate change is the big factor driving the birthrate down. It's more to do with the global housing crisis, cost of living, shit job prospects, childcare costs, etc. A lot of younger people see raising kids in such an unstable social and economic climate as a bad move, especially when they can barely navigate it themselves.
That's true, yeah, but the point still stands I think. Cost of living, cost of houses etc is surely an argument for partnering up sooner? That mightn't necessarily lead to people having kids sooner and having more kids in the end, but that would appear to be a more likely outcome than if people remain single for longer.
The pro-natalist argument (Louise Perry is good on this subject but no doubt is tarnished as a TERFNAZIERMERGERRRRD!) factors in the pressure women feel in the modern world to be go getters, CEOs, career women... nothing wrong with that as such and everyone should be free to chase whatever their goals might be, but the trade off can be/ appears often to be that by putting off partnering up until later, and thus putting off having kids until later, populations in developed, progressive societies go into decline. Seems like a reasonable and not particularly extreme conclusion to me. I think that the so called meaning crisis must be linked to this. And I'm guilty of it myself. I had no intention of settling down when I was younger and so have ended up in a one and done situation. Totally delighted with the little dude, but delighted to the point that I'm kicking myself we didn't start sooner and have one or two more. Does the fact that I want to solve population decline one orgasm at a time make me a megalomaniac? Yes.
Want to have kids, grand. Pushing the notion that we need more humans on the planet? Not grounded in any concrete justification that I can make out. Sure, there are economic reasons to do with ageing populations, etc., but the fact that that is perceived as a problem is an artefact of an economic system that is already detached from concrete resource usage and distribution. An economic system whose strongest advocates, incidentally, tend to be those aligned with the pro-natalism movement. Curiouser and curiouser.
We need more young people in a society with an aging demographic. That seems sensible. We need a workforce, we need creativity, energy and new ideas to deal with the likes of climate change and to come up with solutions to any other myriad of problems. I imagine pro-natalism is a concept that can be scaled up or down depending on your objectives and as such is easy to dismiss as extremism because you can apply it to different social/ political movements to suit your own ends. I think that without pointing to the outliers who want to have a hundred babies to save the white race or whatever there is something valuable in it. I don't see any value in Western societies continuing to have fewer and fewer kids each generation.
Why do we need more young people in a society with an ageing demographic? The only concrete need I see relates to what is needed to maintain the current economic system. That may seem trite or clichéd or whatever, but it just happens to be true that we have more than enough young hands to provide for an ageing demographic. Were it not that so much of their energy goes into producing and consuming shit whose only purpose is to... maintain the current economic system. The value in there being fewer humans on the planet speaks for itself. Humans and animals whose existence is premised on humanity (livestock, pets, etc.) now accounts for a massive % of the mammalian biomass of the entire planet. If we were aiming to exist in better harmony with our habitat, we would be aiming to downsize, not upsize. Major obstacle there is that it would first require living in harmony with each other :D
(https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2204892120/asset/188a1505-95cb-4f42-a839-40d68d37f905/assets/images/large/pnas.2204892120fig04.jpg)
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2204892120
Yes OK whatever. You win.
I'm not trying to win. I just can't see any other reasons--beyond what boils down to us not being collectively willing or bold enough to radically change our modes of living in a way that would benefit our planetary habitat as a whole--as to why we need to be having more kids.
Needing more kids because of an ageing population is only needed because of the way humans/governments/corporations value money and the way money controls us. We could build a better civilisation but that's hundreds if not thousands of years away.
I don't think we could. I mean, how could we realistically build a better society? We are humans, we are therefore imperfect in many ways. We can imagine better, fairer systems but we could never bring them into existence because as soon as we were all equal and free and not killing each other, there would be sociopaths and psychopaths waiting to exploit us and emiserate our lives. This is the world we have, the only one. It's imperfect no doubt, but it's not a complete disaster. I think the West have got things largely right, and that's taking into account all of the glaring problems. I think that trying to slowly address and fix those problems to make things better is a more realistic option than ripping society apart and starting again. Imagine the devastation that would ensue in the process only to end up back where we are in a few hundred years... anyway... I think that having kids is a good thing, a great thing even. It's a gift you give to yourself and to the world. Simple as that really. More kids, they rule.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 24, 2025, 01:14:27 PMI don't think we could. I mean, how could we realistically build a better society? We are humans, we are therefore imperfect in many ways. We can imagine better, fairer systems but we could never bring them into existence because as soon as we were all equal and free and not killing each other, there would be sociopaths and psychopaths waiting to exploit us and emiserate our lives. This is the world we have, the only one. It's imperfect no doubt, but it's not a complete disaster. I think the West have got things largely right, and that's taking into account all of the glaring problems. I think that trying to slowly address and fix those problems to make things better is a more realistic option than ripping society apart and starting again. Imagine the devastation that would ensue in the process only to end up back where we are in a few hundred years... anyway... I think that having kids is a good thing, a great thing even. It's a gift you give to yourself and to the world. Simple as that really. More kids, they rule.
Not giving out about having kids at all. And we don't live in a terrible civilisation at all. I'm just more on about what "money" is and how it defines our world. Take the example of pensions. We're told we need more young people to pay for the ageing population. But in the morning free money could be created to pay for pensions all over the world. Forever. Free money is created all the time. But not for us. It's for banks or quantitive easing like the EU did.
Well yeah, I agree with you that there is plenty of unfairness and corruption in the world and even in the best run parts of it. That's my point in a way. Even when you have a well run system, a mostly fair system, one that's at least pointing in the right direction and aiming to improve itself for its citizens you still can't get away from the shit parts of human nature. That's why I think this system is as good as it gets. Put in any other system and it will be rife with the same problems. It's just a part of being a member of the human race.
I am against the anti-natalist mindset because I think that life, despite its many and varied difficulties, is generally worth living. Especially if you're living in an imperfect but pretty decent society. I also prefer the option (because that's all any of these theories are) of allowing the geniuses of the future to figure out how to solve global warming, renewable energy, world hunger, the spreading of and improving of democracy etc etc etc. over the more apocalyptic option of reducing the numbers of people of the planet in an attempt to reduce suffering of human and animal life. I think it's a more realistic proposition. We aren't going back to nature. Nature doesn't want us back :laugh:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 24, 2025, 01:30:17 PMWell yeah, I agree with you that there is plenty of unfairness and corruption in the world and even in the best run parts of it. That's my point in a way. Even when you have a well run system, a mostly fair system, one that's at least pointing in the right direction and aiming to improve itself for its citizens you still can't get away from the shit parts of human nature. That's why I think this system is as good as it gets. Put in any other system and it will be rife with the same problems. It's just a part of being a member of the human race.
I am against the anti-natalist mindset because I think that life, despite its many and varied difficulties, is generally worth living. Especially if you're living in an imperfect but pretty decent society. I also prefer the option (because that's all any of these theories are) of allowing the geniuses of the future to figure out how to solve global warming, renewable energy, world hunger, the spreading of and improving of democracy etc etc etc. over the more apocalyptic option of reducing the numbers of people of the planet in an attempt to reduce suffering of human and animal life. I think it's a more realistic proposition. We aren't going back to nature. Nature doesn't want us back :laugh:
Just on the point of future geniuses solving global warming. Yes technological advances will assist but everything you need to halt global warming is already there. It just does not have government buy in across the globe.
And also I get your point about no matter what system we have in place it will have to contend with the shit parts of human nature. Keeping the narcissists and dictators away from power would be a good start.
Keeping dictators out of power would be a great start, but it seems unlikely. Their narcissism and socio/psychopathy puts them at a massive advantage over everyone else. They have no qualms in taking everything and fucking everyone else over so our only hope there is to maybe try to tame them via the open market. Just a brain fart there, but maybe there's something in it. I think when dealing with mankind you have to deal with the devil. Or maybe there is no way of solving the issue of dictatorships through any other means that time and bloodshed. What system could conceivably incentivise tyrants to treat their subjects well and offer them a higher level of freedom?!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 24, 2025, 01:46:27 PMKeeping dictators out of power would be a great start, but it seems unlikely. Their narcissism and socio/psychopathy puts them at a massive advantage over everyone else. They have no qualms in taking everything and fucking everyone else over so our only hope there is to maybe try to tame them via the open market. Just a brain fart there, but maybe there's something in it. I think when dealing with mankind you have to deal with the devil. Or maybe there is no way of solving the issue of dictatorships through any other means that time and bloodshed. What system could conceivably incentivise tyrants to treat their subjects well and offer them a higher level of freedom?!
Don't think there's any system where dictatorships won't want to subjicate the populous. Only way out of dictatorships is revolt or if enough countries formed a trading block that eliminated all trade with dictatorships and only traded with countries with free elections. Tis a pipe atm anyway.
The political push for pro-natalism within a capital growth-based economy is more about increasing the numbers of consumers than anything else. That's really the core of the issue. In the US, the white supremacist pro-natalists and the religious pro-natalists do happen to have more sway than in most other countries (although, both are also very present here in France, for example), but the political pro-natalists, the ones with the real power, it is all about the economy: primarily more consumers, secondarily enough workers. Have a think about how the push for more AI and more automation, etc., connects to the notion that we need more people. It's primarily about consumers. That's what our economy needs more than anything. And what our planetary habitat needs much, much less of.
Humans are fucking up the planet.
More humans will fuck up the planet worse/faster.
Hopefully smart humans can mitigate this to some extent.
In the end, the planet will survive but us eejits won't.
There's a happy thought.
Pro natalism would work fine if we could somehow stop them all getting to pension age
Vaccinate them, especially with the oul Covd vax, surely?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 24, 2025, 11:18:22 AMQuote from: Ducky on April 23, 2025, 04:12:15 PMYeah the vaccine thing is worth looking at. Which is precisely why it has been looked at repeatedly and no link has been found.
As for the pro-natalism thing, I don't think climate change is the big factor driving the birthrate down. It's more to do with the global housing crisis, cost of living, shit job prospects, childcare costs, etc. A lot of younger people see raising kids in such an unstable social and economic climate as a bad move, especially when they can barely navigate it themselves.
That's true, yeah, but the point still stands I think. Cost of living, cost of houses etc is surely an argument for partnering up sooner? That mightn't necessarily lead to people having kids sooner and having more kids in the end, but that would appear to be a more likely outcome than if people remain single for longer.
The pro-natalist argument (Louise Perry is good on this subject but no doubt is tarnished as a TERFNAZIERMERGERRRRD!) factors in the pressure women feel in the modern world to be go getters, CEOs, career women... nothing wrong with that as such and everyone should be free to chase whatever their goals might be, but the trade off can be/ appears often to be that by putting off partnering up until later, and thus putting off having kids until later, populations in developed, progressive societies go into decline. Seems like a reasonable and not particularly extreme conclusion to me. I think that the so called meaning crisis must be linked to this. And I'm guilty of it myself. I had no intention of settling down when I was younger and so have ended up in a one and done situation. Totally delighted with the little dude, but delighted to the point that I'm kicking myself we didn't start sooner and have one or two more. Does the fact that I want to solve population decline one orgasm at a time make me a megalomaniac? Yes.
For me that's a great reason to not have kids. As BSC has pointed out, they want more consumers. Preferably servile ones who simply cannot afford upward class mobility. The housing market in its current total clusterfuck configuration is working a treat for them in that regard.
I'm not pro natalist, and despite deciding to not have kids myself, I'm not anti natalist either. I fall into the middle ground where I believe that it's 100% a personal (couples') choice. Taking 1980 as a rough idea when a lot of us were born, the global population was about 4.4 billion. It's now 8.2 billion. Ignoring how shit the world has become, that fact alone kills off a lot of the urgency that we need to keep reproducing.
Given the raw numbers there, I don't think progressive societies will go into decline, rather they'll hit an equilibrium. Those same societies should be doing their utmost to prevent the young and the bright seeking better lives elsewhere. Quality, not quantity.
Nothing to see here...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-2028-apparel-sale-trump-organizations-online-store-rcna202856
The thing is I don't believe the world has turned to shit so maybe that's part of the issue. It's a perception thing. There have always been and will always be wars. Pollution has been a problem for a hundred years but I think the focus on trying to address it is positive and has only become a massive mainstream issue in the past twenty five years or so, so it's new and somewhat embryonic, and yet the ladies (I meant leaps but I'll leave it there because I think there's a post punk band in the making in Ladies In Technology) in technology give me hope that in the not too distant future solutions will be found for some of the bigger issues. Maybe the real issue concerning people having kids or not, or at least a defining factor, is your outlook on life? If you are generally more pessimistic than optimistic then the world probably appears more bleak. If you ruminate only on the negative stuff then I can see how it might seem like shit but that's why I think you should take the news in small doses and spend a lot more time in nature and doing constructive, creative things in your free time. For me at least it makes life feel like a fun adventure as opposed to an endless battle.
Maybe it doesn't come across very well on here, but I actually love life :laugh: :abbath: :abbath:
Quote from: Bürggermeister on April 24, 2025, 08:20:40 PMVaccinate them, especially with the oul Covd vax, surely?
Doesn't seem to have worked in any direction, that old thing. Neither prevented covid or killed everyone who took it.
Very disappointing for all involved except the profiteers
Nobody ever said it would prevent Covid, merely alleviate the the severity of the symptoms for those who contracted Covid.
Vaccinate them, then they'll develop autism, then we put them on the register, then we disappear them to El Salvador. Simple.
Yknow something, there's no way I'm getting into anything to do with covid or vaccines. Each to their own in that regard, rfk included.
Regarding pro natalism though, that was a serious point I was making in that simply creating more humans will eventually create more pensioners, who will need more humans etc.
I also don't blame anyone for not wanting to go down that road because life has simply changed in that direction and people want other things to fill it up with
Again, it's not the pensioners who need more humans, it's the economy, because the economy is a limitless growth model. Anyone advocating for pro-natalism who isn't being up front about the fact (yes) that it's the needs of the economic model driving that perception is either naïve about it or dishonest about it (or a racist or religious nut whose priorities are somewhere equally detached from concrete reality).
Interested in seeing what kind of arguments I might find, I looked up yer wan you mentioned, Louise Perry (first time hearing of her). In this interview with The Spectator (alarm bells at the ready!), in relation to older people needing to rely on welfare, she calls the welfare state a "Ponzi scheme" and then says "it's already clear that state pensions, the NHS, and the whole welfare state is not sustainable." Doesn't mention the sustainability or otherwise of our economic model itself. Have tried to see if she comments on this, for or against, elsewhere, but no luck yet.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GZSniFfzJZs
So maybe she is also a TERFNAZIERMAHGERD, as you described her, I don't know, it's irrelevant to the subject at hand, but it is pretty clear what side her political bread is buttered on when it comes to the natalism question, and I'm sure she makes herself a tidy little income shilling it.
The pro-natalist pyramid scheme!! :laugh: anything to do with ballooning the population in any shape or form short-medium term is a sure way of degrading quality of life for the rest in the system and devaluing all. To quote Hicks "Remember, short controlled bursts" :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 16, 2025, 09:12:05 AMI see Malachy Steenson was strolling about town with Tucker Carlson and McGregor there yesterday. No doubt there's some quality content on the way from that meeting of mooks.
Even so, bet you didn't see this coming
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2025/0425/1509442-freemasons-dublin/
Quote from: Bürggermeister on April 25, 2025, 03:04:28 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 16, 2025, 09:12:05 AMI see Malachy Steenson was strolling about town with Tucker Carlson and McGregor there yesterday. No doubt there's some quality content on the way from that meeting of mooks.
Even so, bet you didn't see this coming
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2025/0425/1509442-freemasons-dublin/
:laugh: :laugh:
I'd seen the headline but not read it. Now I'm blaming you that I went and looked up the video. Awful shite. Didn't realize one of the Versatile lads had gone solo. Was it the other one who had all the "talent" then? :laugh: Apparently yer man's trying to grab himself a bit of Kneecap's popularity.
Quote from: Ducky on April 25, 2025, 12:08:41 AMNothing to see here...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-2028-apparel-sale-trump-organizations-online-store-rcna202856
Ya, but never forget that the only other option was a literal Marxist :D
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 25, 2025, 10:55:29 AMInterested in seeing what kind of arguments I might find, I looked up yer wan you mentioned, Louise Perry (first time hearing of her). In this interview with The Spectator (alarm bells at the ready!), in relation to older people needing to rely on welfare, she calls the welfare state a "Ponzi scheme" and then says "it's already clear that state pensions, the NHS, and the whole welfare state is not sustainable." Doesn't mention the sustainability or otherwise of our economic model itself. Have tried to see if she comments on this, for or against, elsewhere, but no luck yet.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GZSniFfzJZs
So maybe she is also a TERFNAZIERMAHGERD, as you described her, I don't know, it's irrelevant to the subject at hand, but it is pretty clear what side her political bread is buttered on when it comes to the natalism question, and I'm sure she makes herself a tidy little income shilling it.
What an absolute shitbag. "Most people will not derive great value from their lives without children". Fuck the fuck off. If you want kids belt away. If you don't belt away as well.
As for the NHS and pensions being a ponzi scheme. Again fuck off. Pensions and health care are one of the greatest things humans have done. These cunts would have you working till you die.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 25, 2025, 09:43:25 AMAgain, it's not the pensioners who need more humans, it's the economy, because the economy is a limitless growth model. Anyone advocating for pro-natalism who isn't being up front about the fact (yes) that it's the needs of the economic model driving that perception is either naïve about it or dishonest about it (or a racist or religious nut whose priorities are somewhere equally detached from concrete reality).
Is that not the same thing, as in that paying for pensioners is part of the economy
The cost of pensioners is minuscule compared to the profits being sought from growing the numbers of consumers. So, no, it's not the same thing.
Ah yeah it's the same as universal free health care in that respect but I'm working on the assumption that nothing will be done right or fair ever so less pensioners means less mouths to feed.
Back to the pro natalism thing, well each to their own that way like if people want to have kids or don't I feel very whatever about it
Don't underestimate the power of having a majority thinking straight and concretely about things. For example, by the time they retire, every pensioner in the west, both through their production and their consumption, will have generated capital profit for others that far outweighs any welfare they may need to see them through comfortably to their passing.
You're such a fucken Marxist, Chris :laugh:
A regular Kamala Lenin Harris me :laugh:
It's true though. And means that anyone who understands the economy and yet refers to old people as a burden is... a cock :D
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 25, 2025, 06:59:35 PMDon't underestimate the power of having a majority thinking straight and concretely about things. For example, by the time they retire, every pensioner in the west, both through their production and their consumption, will have generated capital profit for others that far outweighs any welfare they may need to see them through comfortably to their passing.
This is one of those rare times I'm in agreement
Edit: would it not still be better if we killed them all at about 64 though
I see they arrested a milwakee judge for obstruction. As in the judge supposedly impeded ICE officials in arresting a perp. Third world country stuff now.
They've effectively said they'll be going after judges who oppose Trump.
Lord fuckin Jesus...
The American Experiment is a failure. Nuke it.
The arresting of a judge is ominous but in this instance, was what she did morally right but legally wrong? That being the case, is being arrested the normal protocol?
Nope, cruelty is not the point here at all...
https://www.latintimes.com/rfk-jr-end-godsend-narcan-program-that-helped-reduce-overdose-deaths-despite-his-past-heroin-581846