The Donald vs Big Tech

[Emphyrio]

It could be argued that at least she had the courage of her convictions, however misguided. Not like the opportunistic thuggery of the BLM rioters. Which is worse, stupidity or scumbaggery?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'd have to answer that stupidity mixed with privilege mixed with scumbaggery definitely trumps!

At the beginning of the live video, RYAN is heard stating, "we are going to f---ing go in here. Life or death, it doesn't matter. Here we go"

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.226032/gov.uscourts.dcd.226032.1.1.pdf

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

She's one example, of course, but I think alongside Kurt Cocaine's "real man" crush with his organic food requirement, it's safe to say the place was full of very privileged folk, and there wasn't much sign of them doing it to stick up for anything apart from "muh freedoms!"

But sure, there were lots of thugs at BLM riots. It's been raised as an argument ad infinitum and no is denying it.

[Emphyrio]

Aye, no arguments here on either point.

[astfgyl]

I can't understand this "Muh freedoms" thing at all. You'd think that there was little to celebrate or ridicule in the erosion of personal freedom. It's another facet to that great left/right switcharoo thing as I see it. The great compliant left, all great citizens except when it suits them. And no the right are no better, they have been switched up without knowing it either. Is calling for defunding the police not a prime example of "Muh Freedoms"?

But I don't really know what the motive was on the 6th and I don't dispute there were many many idiots at the Capitol. The question is whether they were useful idiots or not.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

What do extremely wealthy people in the US have to worry about with regards to personal freedoms? That, specifically, is the kind of person I was talking about just there. 

[Caomhaoin]

Erosion of free speech might be one, undeniable in the digital sense of the expression.

It could be argued that democratic positions on immigration, as in, illegal immigration may drive down salaries, this impeding the prosperity of working class Americans, your darlings.

Whether or not it'll happen to any great degree isn't written, but it's not an unreasonable concern to have, and one shouldn't be labelled racist or what have you for holding it.

[Ollkiller]

It could be argued that democratic positions on immigration, as in, illegal immigration may drive down salaries, this impeding the prosperity of working class Americans, your darlings.

One of my assignments in college was on the effect of immigration on wages, specifically for low paid workers. Immigration drives down wages only in the short term, say 1 to 3 years, mainly about a year. After that though it drives wages higher and the standard of living improves for all. It's a cheap shot that's used often but there's no real basis for it. When I have time I can dig out the literature if u like but it is true.

[Caomhaoin]

If that's the case I'd be happy to read it, although if there is a constant stream of illegal immigration, wouldn't that salary reduction process be perennial as a result?

I don't think it's fair to call it a cheap shot, not everyone has the time or means a lot of us seem to have here to be reading links on a metal forum to corroborate or weigh up arguments either way!

[Caomhaoin]

I'm referring to illegal immigration only, I'm 100% in favour of legal immigration without reservation believe it or not, so I'm interested in the data around the former variety.

[astfgyl]

What do extremely wealthy people in the US have to worry about with regards to personal freedoms? That, specifically, is the kind of person I was talking about just there. 

Fair enough, I actually saw that on reflection

[Ollkiller]

If that's the case I'd be happy to read it, although if there is a constant stream of illegal immigration, wouldn't that salary reduction process be perennial as a result?

I don't think it's fair to call it a cheap shot, not everyone has the time or means a lot of us seem to have here to be reading links on a metal forum to corroborate or weigh up arguments either way!

To clarify I wasn't accusing you of using it as a cheap shot. I meant politicians using it as a cheap shot.

Even with constant illegal immigration (If that even occurs) with an influx of people there's more consumption, leading to higher economic growth, leading to more jobs etc etc. Ill dig out the literature in the next day or two, on zoom beers atm so ain't happening now.

[Caomhaoin]

I'll leave you off til Monday, I haven't seem a single zoom drinking call end well even though I haven't participated in any, you'll need tomorrow to yourself I'd say!

[Ollkiller]

I'll leave you off til Monday, I haven't seem a single zoom drinking call end well even though I haven't participated in any, you'll need tomorrow to yourself I'd say!

They are dangerous beasts alright 

[astfgyl]

Looking forward to see how the QAnon follower crowd reconcile Biden's inauguration with all the "Release the Kraken!" and "Nothing can stop what is coming" lark. Reading around, many are still convinced Trump is going to pull this out of the bag at the 11th hour. Not as many as before mind, but still enough to make it funny.