The Donald vs Big Tech

[Caomhaoin]

Obviously it's 'mentioned', it's 'news'. I mean, what would have happened if it an unarmed black woman was shot in the neck trying to climb through a police station window during the BLM riots?

What do we know about this woman who was shot?

'Conspiracy theorist', 'Trumper'

Very few, if any headlines this morning mentioning her race or that she was unarmed.

She tried to climb through a broken window. Shot dead. Forgotten in a few days. Mike Brown shot dead trying to take a polices gun. Martyr, ceaseless 'hands up don't shoot' bullshit. Why do we accept such outrageous double standards?

Where are the knee taking pansies now, pigs in a blanket etc etc.

The hypocrisy is astounding, and should startle anyone with a brain.

[pete]

...edit , wrong link.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-mob-deaths/index.html

That's all they seemed to have said about it actually. Has there been any info into what exactly happened? All I heard is she was shot while standing by a window. I can only assume they thought she may have had a gun.

Video of incident here (obviously someone gets shot warning before watching) : https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/

She was climbing through a window to the side of a door.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You said it was "fleetingly mentioned in one paragraph"; I gave you an article which dedicates a lengthy section to her and which doesn't in any way excuse or justify her killing by the policeman. Quite the opposite, it speaks of it being a tragedy and of her dying when she didn't need to.

BLM never invaded a top security government building while it was filled to the brim with top government employees and material (the electoral college votes) of the utmost national importance. So, we'll just never know how CNN would have reported such an incident, will we? But maybe you should review the circumstances of the deaths which led to the knee-taking phenomenon. I think you'll find there is no comparison whatsoever...and yet, CNN in that article still saw fit to publish the police's condolences, measures taken to investigate, and regrets of a witness to the event.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

As for "Hands up, don't shoot!" and Mike Brown, don't worry, the camp you so strongly identify with will no doubt come up with something similar soon; sure you yourself are already instrumentalizing her as a martyr here, though you may not realize it.

[Caomhaoin]

BLM invaded and burnt down at least one (that I know of) police station, presumably full to the brim with armed police officer, an action which would ordinarily carry an extremely high risk of being shot to death. The police just handed it over and watched it happen because that was fine.

They mentioned that it was a tragedy. Clap clap. It would be quite a job, even for CNN, to 'justify' a police killing a civilian, these days in particular.

You are (quite deliberately) not addressing the blatant double standards between this and the Floyd or Brown cases. Both unarmed, both killed by the police. One was a career criminal and an absolute scumbag who held a knife to a pregnant woman's stomach in a robbery. They want to paint this cunt over St.Paul in The Last Fucking Supper! The other, a 14 year Air Force veteran, a non-scumbag who just happened to be white and a 'trumper'.

The reasons for 'taking a knee'? You mean police disproportionately killing blacks in the US? It's bogus! Bullshit. You probably believe on the gender pay gap too.

The undeniable fact is, if Babbit had been of another political persuasion or of any other ethnic group than she was, the reaction from your pals over at CNN and the Guardian would have been very different indeed.

[Caomhaoin]

As for "Hands up, don't shoot!" and Mike Brown, don't worry, the camp you so strongly identify with will no doubt come up with something similar soon; sure you yourself are already instrumentalizing her as a martyr here, though you may not realize it.

Are you serious? If you try to steal a gun from a cop, in the USA, what the fuck did he expect? The whole hands up don't shoot narrative was bullshit, debunked.

I am pointing out double standards. You can't deny them, and of course, instead of acknowledging them, more waffle.

Good man.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

As for "Hands up, don't shoot!" and Mike Brown, don't worry, the camp you so strongly identify with will no doubt come up with something similar soon; sure you yourself are already instrumentalizing her as a martyr here, though you may not realize it.

Are you serious? If you try to steal a gun from a cop, in the USA, what the fuck did he expect? The whole hands up don't shoot narrative was bullshit, debunked.

I'm not saying it wasn't bullshit. I'm saying that Brown got his slogan, and I'm sure Babbit will get hers, especially given that your camp are already instrumentalizing her death to fight back against the outrage about how comparatively lightly policed the #StopTheSteal (also bullshit, let's not forget) march was compared to how heavily the Capitol was policed during the BLM riots.

If you try to steal a gun from a cop, in the USA, what the fuck did he expect?

If you try to break into the Capitol Building of the USA, what the fuck do you expect? Calling out double standards me hole; you're just seething and not making sense.

[Caomhaoin]

I don't know whether it's deliberate or not at this point (God only knows with you), but I'm talking about the media reaction to the deaths. A clear double standard based on race and political persuasion which you ignore and waffle off on tangents.

The media also made ridiculous, false claims and excuses for the BLM mob running amok, terrorising whole cities, while condemning and calling rioters  all kinds of bastards during the recent disturbances. I'm not defending the latter, it was wrong and dumb, but no more or less than your buddies from Nike Lives Matter. No balance of any kind.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You can't compare the media reaction, since there were witnesses claiming that Michael Brown had done nothing wrong. It was a complex investigation as a result. This is clear cut. She was very obviously in the wrong, but there was no need for her to be shot. It's nothing like George Floyd's death either. It's nothing like any of the BLM category deaths that I can think of tbh, but you probably have a more encyclopedic knowledge of them than I!

[astfgyl]

I saw the video and there was very little justification for the shooting. Really looks like the officer jumped the gun and apart from getting in the window she didn't appear very threatening. Then again the 1 minute video is easy to take out of context.

But it's also unsurprising that someone would get shot doing what they were doing.

[Caomhaoin]

You can't compare the media reaction, since there were witnesses claiming that Michael Brown had done nothing wrong. It was a complex investigation as a result. This is clear cut. She was very obviously in the wrong, but there was no need for her to be shot. It's nothing like George Floyd's death either. It's nothing like any of the BLM category deaths that I can think of tbh, but you probably have a more encyclopedic knowledge of them than I!

You can and should compare them, considering the apocalyptic reaction to the Floyd killing. Not for political point scoring, but whether or not blacks are going to be placed in a position of eternal victimhood and condescension, and whether injustices visited upon them are somehow graver than those suffered by pale faces. 'Minorities' have become the pets of privileged white liberals, a cause du jour, but for toujours now it seems.

I put the question to you once again, would the reaction have been the same if an unarmed, black BLM supporting woman was shot by the police in either identical circumstances or during an invasion of a police station?

[pete]

I saw the video and there was very little justification for the shooting. Really looks like the officer jumped the gun and apart from getting in the window she didn't appear very threatening. Then again the 1 minute video is easy to take out of context.

But it's also unsurprising that someone would get shot doing what they were doing.

Yeah getting that close to Pence and the others and a guy pointing a gun at you and you continuing just seems inevitable.

But I agree from what I saw that they should not have shot her. It's sad that a conspiracy theory about a rigged election is what led her there that day.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I put the question to you once again, would the reaction have been the same if an unarmed, black BLM supporting woman was shot by the police in either identical circumstances or during an invasion of a police station?

If the reason for the invasion was, say, the Reverend Al Sharpton lying to this imaginary person, telling her that someone in the building was plotting to destroy her country and her future, despite all protestations to the contrary, I don't know how that would be reported. It seems a pointless exercise in impossible comparisons, but you can be guaranteed Sharpton would take a lot of slack for it!

[Caomhaoin]

The answer is 'no' regardless.

Al Sharpton. Ollkiller, would you take him over Trump?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The thing is is that her being shot isn't the biggest story here. In fact, the miracle of her being the only one shot is a bigger story than her being shot. Reasonably speaking, the US Capitol should have been defended with much stronger response. She's not so much unlucky as everyone else, bar the policeman beaten to death and the others dead of various causes, is lucky.