The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The side-stepping of the core element, again, is astounding. Trump persuaded his supporters of his biggest falsehood yet, all because he is either too egotistical or too paranoid to accept that he may just have lost. He did this on a daily basis for almost two months. You don't mention what this says about his character or what effect it had on the tinder pile you go to such pains to correctly blame on both sides. For two months he sprayed petrol on that tinder pile with this lie, and he continued even after it had ignited, even after he was telling his followers to stop fanning the flames, he was still spraying on the gasoline of that #StopTheSteal lie. Where exactly does Trump's personal responsibility enter into your equations? I can't see it anywhere.

[Caomhaoin]

^^^^^^

But as for this lad...

[Pedrito]

The outrage over violence when the whole fucking year we've been saying that what's going on isn't the right way. But that's what happens when one side are allowed do whatever the hell they want and the others are meant to stand idly by and accept it. None of it is right, but let's not get up on our high horses about violence now please when we've been condoning it left right and centre all year. And before anyone says it, no, there isn't a difference between looting a Target and walking into a goverment building other than some symbolic bullshit difference. If I kick a guy in the head in a McDonalds or in St Patrick's cathedral, he's still getting kicked in the head.

[Pedrito]

The outrage over violence when the whole fucking year we've been saying that what's going on isn't the right way. But that's what happens when one side are allowed do whatever the hell they want and the others are meant to stand idly by and accept it. None of it is right, but let's not get up on our high horses about violence now please when we've been condoning it left right and centre all year. And before anyone says it, no, there isn't a difference between looting a Target and walking into a goverment building other than some symbolic bullshit difference. If I kick a guy in the head in a McDonalds or in St Patrick's cathedral, he's still getting kicked in the head.

Yes, Trump is responsible but he's far from the only one. It's not Lord of the Rings, he's not Sauron with control over peoples' minds. This is a big beautiful mess that has been fed into without any thpught of where it might end up for the last 4+ years now.

[Kurt Cocaine]

You are a good lad, Pedro

Yes, yes he is. 

[Kurt Cocaine]

^^^^^^

But as for this lad...

Sigh!

[astfgyl]

EVERYTHING that has happened this year has been incited and condoned by both sides. BLM and all that nonsense, the Antifa riots, the zones that they occupied in cities was all condoned and allowed fester for political gain and to ultimately destabilise the presidency. Now we see the opposite side of the coin. The right are showing that they can scream and bitch snd shout too. None of it is good. They all need flushing out. Trump, Biden, Pelosi, the lot of them.

I would argue that Trump, at the very least, symbolised the desire of the people for change. What that change is or was is hard to put a finger on and he was ultimately unable to provide it. All that said, 4 years later we're in an even worse place and god knows where it's going to be in another few years because NOTHING has changed. The same oul bullshitters are still in the positions of power and you can bet everything they do will be a out appeasing their own and pissing off the other side.

They badly need, indeed the world needs, someone with a bit of cop on to come to the fore. Tulsi Gabbard there is a great option but she'll never get in because we all know how these Democrats work. Maybe someone will arise on the Republican side though that's highly unlikely too. It's not going to get better anytime soon by the looks of things. A complete shitshow.

https://youtu.be/_px4BcV88BE?t=34

This popped into my head

[Ollkiller]

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/01/08/the-journey-of-ashli-babbitt/

Very good article about the timeline of the lady who was killed on the day, Alisha Babbit, and her journey from being an Obama supporter into a Trump follower.

[Emphyrio]

^^^^^^

But as for this lad...

I love your sit back and comment approach. 

[Ollkiller]

Yawn!

Have a listen to Tulsi Gabbard here. She went for President in the last election as a democrat. Someone who sees what a mess the whole thing is on both sides and who speaks very reasonably a d without being inflammatory on the situation.

https://youtu.be/Z8mb66RssxA

You don't have to sell it to me but I will give it a listen. I despise the language used by both sides and the blatant political posturing.

[Pedrito]

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/01/08/the-journey-of-ashli-babbitt/

Very good article about the timeline of the lady who was killed on the day, Alisha Babbit, and her journey from being an Obama supporter into a Trump follower.

From that article:

'US politicians have since castigated law enforcement for a failure to keep the mob at bay. On January 7, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer announced that the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms, Mike Senger, would be fired. Speaker Nancy Pelosi also requested the resignation of Steven Sund, the Capitol Police Chief. Sund submitted his resignation letter that same day'.

The absolute hypocrisy of that after everything they did to stoke tensions and criminalise the police this year. Pure scum.

[Ollkiller]

Have they managed to make you like Biden yet?

Nah. He's just the better of the two candidates available.

[Ollkiller]

I would argue that Trump, at the very least, symbolised the desire of the people for change.

And you would be 100% correct. People are sick of the same political bullshit all the time. And Americans thought Trump could change that. I would say the same thing happened in our last election with the strong Sinn Fein vote.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It is the Lord of the Rings! Except he's not Sauron, he's King Theoden, and just as soon as Grima Wormtongue (Rudy Giuliani) stops whispering in his ear, he'll return to being the lovable fella he was in Home Alone 2, in the crossover movie sensation of the millenium!

[open face surgery]

Saw Gabbard on Rogan twice, I think, and enjoyed her both times. She'll never get there though. Too progressive and Sam Harris on a different one alluded to her making a shit show out of something that I can't exactly remember but rendered her somewhat incapable of making and/or handling bigger decisions.

Pfft. Women!? Amirite?