The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You're suggesting that once big tech decide who they want to win, that's who wins, as if it's a general rule. But you're grounding your general rule in, what? The impression that they swung this and only this 2020 election? Not exactly a solid foundation. I don't think we should want big tech mobilizing for who they want to win. And I don't think there is any evidence that they have ever done so in the past, even if you personally want to believe they have done so in 2020.

They didn't regulate in 2016 because they didn't regulate, beyond censoring nipples, full stop. They weren't involved, and they didn't get involved even though their systems were automatically tracking the profile info of those who were being targeted by Trump content for over a year. They (FB especially) knew before anyone else, and it would have been easy for them to intervene, whether they thought Clinton a shoe-in or not. But they did nothing, one way or the other, at any point in the run up to the election.

[open face surgery]

MOMENT WOMAN IS SHOT AND KILLED IN DC PROTEST.....****,,,,

https://theync.com/moment-in-which-the-woman-is-shot.htm

There was a longer one that showed her bleeding out. I found it disturbing but it doesn't take away from anything. Being called ignorant by Kev has no bearing on me whatsoever given some of the terms he uses and views he holds which I find abhorrent but sure that's life.

I also appreciate Chris acknowledging the uncharacteristic sensitivity I showed in my description. Haha.

[Caomhaoin]

I said your post was ignorant, as in, lacking authentic information, not you.

I played the ball, not the man

[Pedrito]

I think they have a massive role to play now, like it or not. The BLM thing this year went global because of big tech, we now have kids outside Drogheda Garda station shouting Black lives matter..you can't tell me that social media hasn't had a massive global impact on the way huge swathes of people are thinking now. The Trump frenzy is another perfect example.

Now, we could argue that that has nothing to do with FB or any of these lads. But how can we be so sure that private companies with self-confessed interests are entirely above board in everything they are doing? People talk about algorithms as if it's some sort of mystical, semi religious occurrence. No, it's a definite and human initiated process. If that human is a left leaning liberal in a completely left/liberal company with major vested interests then how is that algorithm not going to have an impact on things?

Trump shook the matrix in 2016 and they mobilised military style to ensure their boy got in. 'Mobilizing': even the word itself is military in its connotations. As for evidence, well the unrelenting, incessant attacks of the past 4 years are all the evidence anyone should need to see that the level playing field has been well and truly nuked at this stage.

[open face surgery]

I said your post was ignorant, as in, lacking authentic information, not you.

I played the ball, not the man

The fact she was there as I outlined in my first response is authentic info for me in this opinion based maelstrom.

[Pedrito]

Hup ye boy ye

https://youtu.be/Trmqc2NJYpA

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

the unrelenting, incessant attacks of the past 4 years are all the evidence anyone should need to see that the level playing field has been well and truly nuked at this stage.

Here's a thought experiment for you. Let's take it as a given that all politicians are, to a greater or even greater extent, liars. Now, imagine that if all social media platforms fact-checked everything politicians posted on their profiles, and if any content was found to be false, however long that took to come out and imagining that this could be done infallibly, it would get deleted, or nuked, if you like. Some politicians, their lies might require lengthy investigations to uncover, so in this hypothetical situation, posts of that sort might stay up for weeks, maybe months, or even longer. But then there would also be politicians like Trump, who regularly post things which are easily shown to be false within minutes or hours, and they are also just as likely to lie about things that may take days, weeks, or months to uncover. That means that, in this hypothetical situation, a politician like Trump would be constantly sabotaging their own level playing field, because - even though the basic rules would be the same for everyone - their posts would be getting deleted much more often and, notably, much quicker than others.

We don't live in that hypothetical situation though, and hundreds of Trump's total bullshit tweets and FB posts, etc., are still up there for all to see and for all unsuspecting types to be persuaded by, and we all have very fresh in our Irish minds just how easily it is to be persuaded by hearsay unless we're actively suspicious of the source.

In short, relative to the "ideal world" of the above thought experiment, Trump has gotten off lightly with his bullshit until very, very recently.

[Pedrito]

All fair enough, but Trump is only the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned. He's a symbol as such. The rot set in for him a long time ago with the fanning of the flames of BLM amongst a myriad of other issues that were all exacerbated to hysterical levels  to get his pasty white ass out of the White House. And anyone who cannot see that is simply choosing to not see it.

[mickO)))]

So do you think in 2016 big tech and big business decided they wanted Trump to win?

They never expected him to win it was almost a foregone conclusion that Hillary would win. Time magazine had a Madame President cover printed up in 2016 that was published and distributed then recalled.

I think the suppression and censorship of the Hunter Biden story before the election which we were told over and over was Russian disinformation yet now we learn that he is under investigation and has been for sometime is clear evidence of what big tech is at. 

[Caomhaoin]

Take the SOMA and stfu is the clear message, and the legions of zombies and psychos doing their bidding is startling.

I prefer yokes to that s-o-m-a muck, but clearly not everyone agrees.

[pete]

So do you think in 2016 big tech and big business decided they wanted Trump to win?

They never expected him to win it was almost a foregone conclusion that Hillary would win. Time magazine had a Madame President cover printed up in 2016 that was published and distributed then recalled.

I think the suppression and censorship of the Hunter Biden story before the election which we were told over and over was Russian disinformation yet now we learn that he is under investigation and has been for sometime is clear evidence of what big tech is at.

What Hunter Biden investigation are you talking about?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Take the SOMA and stfu is the clear message, and the legions of zombies and psychos doing their bidding is startling.

That's the message regardless of which side of the political divide you're on (something I'm thankfully not the only one to be saying in this discussion). In fact, the moment you start claiming that that message applies more to one side than the other, you should already suspect that you yourself are doing somebody's bidding.

[mickO)))]

What Hunter Biden investigation are you talking about?

He is under investigation over his taxes and dealings with China. Apparently has been for about two years something Bill Barr knew about and kept quiet on.

You also have the story of Fang Fang a Chinese spy who was sleeping with high up US politicians including Eric Swalwell who has been screaming Russian collusion for the last four years. Another story the media barely covered and Fang Fang has disappeared since the story broke back in November.

[pete]

I knew about the taxes investigation and during that investigation other things were looked into, but not sure how it links to the blind laptop repair guy and thus proves what Big Tech is upto...

Although in saying that I'm not 100per cent on what we are claiming Big Tech is upto ha. Might stick to the recommended albums thread

[mickO)))]

I knew about the taxes investigation and during that investigation other things were looked into, but not sure how it links to the blind laptop repair guy and thus proves what Big Tech is upto...

The HD contains evidence and references to what went on in China. Put it this way if someone came across a HD belonging to Don Jr. and they alleged it contained information tying him to Russia would Facebook and Twitter have censored it?

They never censored the Russia collusion allegations that are still doing the rounds and four years later we still don't have a shred of proof of any of it.