The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

3 months after having 16 weapons confiscated by police over mental health concerns following death threats made to his own family, Crimo's own father co-signed a firearm owners ID card which was accepted by the authorities because the family hadn't pressed charges, though the authorities knew about the events. Basic things like this haven't been reformed because of the NRA and their supporters.

[hellfire]

Supposing the NRA disbanded today and all legal obstacles to gun control were removed. You're still left with the same basic problem. The country is awash with the bloody things.

[astfgyl]

How would law enforcement go about removing the guns that are already floating around the place even if assault rifles were entirely banned tomorrow? They'd probably have to use their own guns to do it.

The mass shooting thing seems to be a peculiarly American thing anyway. Even if they were to have gun laws like Ireland where people can get semi automatic rifles with a licence, you'd have someone using those to shoot up crowds of people.

Even the suicide thing is interesting in that 2/3 of gun deaths in the US are suicides, yet here in Ireland where pretty much anyone can get a gun if they want one, hardly anyone shoots themselves vs getting on the end of a rope. It's a weird cultural thing that's hard for us to understand over here but I feel there's more to it than simply being able to have a gun. Saying all that I do think it's some sort of madness to let kids have assault rifles before they're even considered old enough to drink, and there should be cross party cooperation in trying to come up with a solution, but I doubt they'll be doing that.

[Ollkiller]

How would law enforcement go about removing the guns that are already floating around the place even if assault rifles were entirely banned tomorrow? They'd probably have to use their own guns to do it.

The mass shooting thing seems to be a peculiarly American thing anyway. Even if they were to have gun laws like Ireland where people can get semi automatic rifles with a licence, you'd have someone using those to shoot up crowds of people.

Even the suicide thing is interesting in that 2/3 of gun deaths in the US are suicides, yet here in Ireland where pretty much anyone can get a gun if they want one, hardly anyone shoots themselves vs getting on the end of a rope. It's a weird cultural thing that's hard for us to understand over here but I feel there's more to it than simply being able to have a gun. Saying all that I do think it's some sort of madness to let kids have assault rifles before they're even considered old enough to drink, and there should be cross party cooperation in trying to come up with a solution, but I doubt they'll be doing that.

First on removing the assault rifles. The only way I see is you ban them. Bring in an amnesty for a few months, minimum sentence for possession of an assault rifle, 10 years or so and go after all the other assault rifles. Will it bring in all the guns. Nowhere close. Will it take years to implement. Yup. Will there be countless killings from black market assault rifles. Yup. But what's the alternative. Do nothing and the same shit keeps occurring.

Next two paragraphs on your point how anyone in Ireland can get a gun if they want one. Now I'm open to correction here. My understanding is farmers can get one, for farming reasons and then if you're in a gun club but there's multiple checks and hoops to go through to get one. Or am in wrong? Or are we talking about illegally procuring one?

[astfgyl]

No, anyone can get a gun here with a few exceptions like criminal record or being of bad character. All you have to do is join a gun club or have permission from a couple of farmers to shoot on their land and you just apply for the licence for what gun you want. You have to fulfill some conditions like a gun safe or trigger guard but it's far easier than most people think. Even at that, people only use them for sport and vermin control here anyway and no-one keeps them for personal protection outside of the criminal class, who have theirs illegally anyway. I'm delighted we don't have the free for all culture like the US.

Your ideas around getting the assault rifles back would be pretty much my own thinking on it. I can't see any reason for anyone to need one of those but I guess there's a certain paranoia among sections of the populace in the US that makes reasonable discussion difficult.

[Carnage]

You have to do a course annually (or bi-annually, I forget) to have a gun licence here, but it's very easy to get through, it's just a couple of hours of basic cop-on. Like the safe pass.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Most people in Ireland (i.e. the urban majority of the population) wouldn't even know where to go to buy a gun. In the US, you can buy them at Walmart.

In a surprising number of mass shooting cases, the gun used was a recent purchase, so although the question of what to do with all the old assault weapons is definitely a valid one, putting a ban in place that would prevent new generations of homicide fantasizing young men from buying them still seems logical. And reinforcing background checks.

[astfgyl]

You have to do a course annually (or bi-annually, I forget) to have a gun licence here, but it's very easy to get through, it's just a couple of hours of basic cop-on. Like the safe pass.

Only done it lately myself, it's very easy indeed.

[astfgyl]

Most people in Ireland (i.e. the urban majority of the population) wouldn't even know where to go to buy a gun. In the US, you can buy them at Walmart.

In a surprising number of mass shooting cases, the gun used was a recent purchase, so although the question of what to do with all the old assault weapons is definitely a valid one, putting a ban in place that would prevent new generations of homicide fantasizing young men from buying them still seems logical. And reinforcing background checks.

I agree with all that

[astfgyl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jerone4Congress/status/1544700948164972546

[open face surgery]

It's really eating itself. Democrates are now the kkk members?!?

[hellfire]

I wonder how many KKK members there actually are? Probably very few. I watched a documentary about them a while ago and they seem like a pretty laughable bunch.

[astfgyl]

Well if that's the argument for keeping the assault rifles, I finally understand.

[astfgyl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WaltonNJohnson/status/1544827427574226951

More Biden gold here. I love how yer man has to act like it's not happening for the photos

[pete]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WaltonNJohnson/status/1544827427574226951

More Biden gold here. I love how yer man has to act like it's not happening for the photos

https://twitter.com/TheIOGuy/status/1544895770347782144?t=LfY_ftoaiiGtmu00qPyEpA&s=19