The Donald vs Big Tech

[Caomhaoin]

AR-15's are semi-automatic rifles.

Obviously I'm not going to respond to your silly 'go on then'.

The vast majority of gun crime is committed with illegally acquired firearms. Even those pricks at politifact agree.

The only response to attack is immediate and savage counterattack. Cower defencelessly or fight back. It's as simple as that. In that gaff over the way, the state and the criminal subhumans that terrorise the place are armed to the teeth. Take note that illegal firearms outnumber legally held weapons there, so what's a man to do if he intends to defend his family or business? Far fewer of the opportunistic ghouls who looted in the BLM riots would have been as smart if they had a loaded gun stuck in their faces.

Sure go on, defund the polis and disarm the people.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I can see that obviously you're not going to respond using the examples I gave, choosing instead to conjure up a totally different kind of situation. Why? Because the "logic" you're talking about totally falls apart in the face of psychopaths who very often also have suicidal ideations (seems to be the case with Robert Crimo too, who drew pictures of an armed shooter lying dead in a pool of blood surrounded by cops). If someone is fantasizing about a slaughter of randomers which culminates in them getting shot down in what they surely imagine to be a blaze of glory, exactly what use does it do for them to be "afraid" of their intended victim? Zero. Again, your silly insistence on aligning with Republican talking points causes you to lose all grip on reality.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

This report is from May. Actual number of mass shootings is above 300 now, but we know Highland Park and Uvalde at least were also committed with legally procured guns. So, stick that in your GOP pipe: "77% of mass shooters obtained the weapons they used in their crimes through legal purchases."

https://thecrimereport.org/2022/05/17/majority-of-mass-shooters-purchased-their-guns-legally/

[Caomhaoin]

I'm not disputing that most mass shootings are committed with legally purchased weapons.

The 3651 shooting incidents in Chicago in 2021 alone dwarfs that figure, most of them rival criminal gangs shooting at each other. Felons are not allowed to legally purchase firearms, so you can work the rest out for yourself.

The establishment doesn't give a fuck (I thought black lives mattered?) , even though the figures are mind boggling. You can't account for maniacs, but banning guns? Pissing into the wind and targeting the wrong people entirely.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Very few people are talking about "banning guns". This is just another way for contrarians to sidestep the real issues. People are talking about banning things like assault weapons and enforcing much stricter background checks. But the NRA and, generally speaking, Republicans block any such moves. Robert Crimo had 16 weapons removed from him by the police in 2019 over worries about his mental health. But he had no problem whatsoever legally obtaining the weapon he used to kill 7 people (and counting?) and injure many, many more. That is the talking point. Obviously ordinary people are more worried about random explosions of high-powered psychopathy in places like schools or public parades, etc., than they are worried about gangland shootings. There are gangland shootings in Ireland ffs. It's two totally different sociological spheres and you, and the rest of those who insist on thinking like you, really need to get that into your skulls.

[Caomhaoin]

I can see that obviously you're not going to respond using the examples I gave, choosing instead to conjure up a totally different kind of situation. Why? Because the "logic" you're talking about totally falls apart in the face of psychopaths who very often also have suicidal ideations (seems to be the case with Robert Crimo too, who drew pictures of an armed shooter lying dead in a pool of blood surrounded by cops). If someone is fantasizing about a slaughter of randomers which culminates in them getting shot down in what they surely imagine to be a blaze of glory, exactly what use does it do for them to be "afraid" of their intended victim? Zero. Again, your silly insistence on aligning with Republican talking points causes you to lose all grip on reality.

Zero? I wouldn't say that.

Your last sentence is, I hope, ironic considering you are as doctrinaire as they come and makes you a very black pot (careful now!) at the auld kettle.

Incidentally I wouldn't accuse you of having lost your grip on reality, but thinking critically and for yourself? Your posts suggest you've buried them utterly.

[Caomhaoin]

Very few people are talking about "banning guns". This is just another way for contrarians to sidestep the real issues. People are talking about banning things like assault weapons and enforcing much stricter background checks. But the NRA and, generally speaking, Republicans block any such moves. Robert Crimo had 16 weapons removed from him by the police in 2019 over worries about his mental health. But he had no problem whatsoever legally obtaining the weapon he used to kill 7 people (and counting?) and injure many, many more. That is the talking point. Obviously ordinary people are more worried about random explosions of high-powered psychopathy in places like schools or public parades, etc., than they are worried about gangland shootings. There are gangland shootings in Ireland ffs. It's two totally different sociological spheres and you, and the rest of those who insist on thinking like you, really need to get that into your skulls.

So gangland shootings are grand, fuck the plebs, right? I doubt the people who live in those areas align with the 'people are worried about psychopathy etc' or whatever you wrote. Your 'sociological spheres' would be of scant solice.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Lumping both spheres in together and suggesting one and the same solution for both is idiocy of the highest order. That doesn't mean do nothing about one or the other spheres. It means deal with them for what they are: totally different sociological phenomena.

[Caomhaoin]

Under normal circumstances you'd send in the cops mob handed to sort out gangland criminal pieces of shit, but sure that's racist now.

For your other sociological sphere (lol, trying to bamboozle me with fancy talk wha'!), well it's hard to account for the mentally deranged. Background checks yes, of course. Raising the minimum age, maybe. The problem is most (not all) of these cunts fly under the radar, are 'Falling Down' types like Charles Starkweather' or that lad who shot up the festival in Las Vegas. What can you do in such cases, apart from react savagely.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The problem, quite clearly, is the kind of weapons people have legal access to. Domestically speaking, it would be interesting to see the stats on how many lives assault weapons have "saved" versus how many they've ended. Because that's what your "logic" hinges on.

[Caomhaoin]

So we agree that pistols are fine then?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Only people living in cloud cuckoo land could possibly imagine the US will ever introduce a total ban on personal gun ownership. You deal with the reality that's in front of you, whether or not you think it's "fine".

[Eoin McLove]

I have the solution. Guns which shoot a bullet back at you at the same time as shooting at your victim! So simple. It was under our noses all along 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Haha, brilliant! Turn the US from a nation of wasps into a nation of bees.

Not a bad history joke there too, if I do say so myself.

[hellfire]

The American relationship with guns is almost impossible for anyone this side of the pond to understand. The arguments are not as clear cut as taking or having them. The second amendment was written in a very different time and should probably have been removed centuries ago. It wasn't though and at this point in time it would take generations to create a gun free America. It's not a realistic aim so there is no point in dwelling on it. People in Ireland have psychotic breaks at much the same rate as America but don't have access to an arsenal. The mass shooting problem isn't going anywhere.