The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Whatever about saying things that aren't deemed acceptable, what about the endless obvious lies? And literal public tantrums? And firing of key staff via social media, etc.? If that was his best, isn't it obvious why he never stood a chance and also why people didn't want him occupying the position he did? He was a president who treated the job like he was a contestant on a reality TV show, like it was a popularity contest and "acting cool" was the way to win. If you knew someone like him in real life, you'd only hang around with them for the possibility of getting an over-friendly tipsy hug off their wife down the pub.

[Ollkiller]

Serious question for pedrito and Caomhaoin.
What do ye thing is so good about trumpelstilskin?

It's not Trump per se. He could be anyone else. What fucks me off is how the minute someone comes along with some ideas or a personality that aren't deemed acceptable, the alarm bells go off, the propoganda machine is turned on and they are smashed repeatedly from all sides of the mainstream. The man never stood a chance, though he gave it his best. He's far from perfect, but he's not satan and that's what they'd have you believe.

So, essentially, the message goes out that you need to think and act a certain way or you'll be left out to rot. We see it constantly in these big tech companies, we are seeing it all throughout our media. The minute you open your mouth and say things that aren't deemed 'acceptable' you are a pariah. It used be that the Catholic church held that power over society. Now it's the media, big tech, liberal woke left. A dangerous road we're going down.

Ah he did stand a chance though. He was a president with a majority in the Senate. If he had got a capable cabinet behind him he could have delivered meaningful legislation on a host of issues.  No matter what the media said. But he couldnt hold a stable cabinet through all the resignations and firings. Whatever you think about him as an individual, he was totally inept at getting things done as he was an inept politician.

[Caomhaoin]

Not every time.

[Pedrito]

Hey, he wasn't perfect. No president is. But how can anyone do a job properly when the opposition is impeaching you over absolute bullshit? He spent a third of his presidency fighting that off coupled with having to deal with treachery from within his own camp. People who are supposed to be on your side and helping you but who are actively working against you? If that's how these people want to ensure the best for their country then maybe the system is absolutely fucked and he was dead right to expose it for all the world to see on twitter and the likes. Is that what taxes are being paid for? To ensure that that snakes nest forges ahead with nothing there to rein them in.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Hey, he wasn't perfect. No president is. But how can anyone do a job properly when the opposition is impeaching you over absolute bullshit? He spent a third of his presidency fighting that off coupled with having to deal with treachery from within his own camp. People who are supposed to be on your side and helping you but who are actively working against you? If that's how these people want to ensure the best for their country then maybe the system is absolutely fucked and he was dead right to expose it for all the world to see on twitter and the likes. Is that what taxes are being paid for? To ensure that that snakes nest forges ahead with nothing there to rein them in.

Ahem....

https://youtu.be/xT2m3xWjStc

[astfgyl]

Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there.  Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if trump is responsible for their fates then so is everything else.

You should give football punditry a go man:
"So, the match was an unmitigated disaster. Astfgyl, do you think the manager has to bear the responsibility for that with his choice of a 1-1-8 formation, essentially instructing everyone to go on the offensive?"

"Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said, but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there? Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if the manager is responsible for their fates then so is everything else."

Very good!

[Ollkiller]

Hey, he wasn't perfect. No president is. But how can anyone do a job properly when the opposition is impeaching you over absolute bullshit? He spent a third of his presidency fighting that off coupled with having to deal with treachery from within his own camp. People who are supposed to be on your side and helping you but who are actively working against you? If that's how these people want to ensure the best for their country then maybe the system is absolutely fucked and he was dead right to expose it for all the world to see on twitter and the likes. Is that what taxes are being paid for? To ensure that that snakes nest forges ahead with nothing there to rein them in.

He was never in danger of the impeachment being successful regardless of whether you think it was bullshit or not.

Next what is this treachery from his own camp you speak of. Generally curious as to me the republican party have en masse rowed in behind him.

[astfgyl]

Look at the end of the day for right or wrong it's clear as day that the social media and news networks had stacked the deck against trump from day one and if that isn't clear to anyone by now then they haven't been paying attention. Support him or don't support him it doesn't matter it's there for all to see.

And if I were them I would probably do the same given that he was poking at section 230 and questioning the influence of the media at every opportunity.  Remember I'm saying for right or wrong.

Anyway he is finished now so it doesn't matter anymore, the tech companies and media have their stooge in place and all is right in the world.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Anyone who is going to remember Trump as some kind of enemy of big business is utterly deluded.

[astfgyl]

Oh fuck no, I have always seen him as mister big business long before he was elected and nothing I have seen since has changed that view.  It seems to be just certain big businesses he has an issue with

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Oh fuck no, I have always seen him as mister big business long before he was elected and nothing I have seen since has changed that view.  It seems to be just certain big businesses he has an issue with

Yes, notably the ones who point out his falsehoods (which doesn't imply that they don't lie themselves zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).

[Caomhaoin]

It's big tech and woke corporate media that are his enemies.

[Pedrito]

Look at the end of the day for right or wrong it's clear as day that the social media and news networks had stacked the deck against trump from day one and if that isn't clear to anyone by now then they haven't been paying attention. Support him or don't support him it doesn't matter it's there for all to see.

And if I were them I would probably do the same given that he was poking at section 230 and questioning the influence of the media at every opportunity.  Remember I'm saying for right or wrong.

Anyway he is finished now so it doesn't matter anymore, the tech companies and media have their stooge in place and all is right in the world.

Nail on the head

[astfgyl]

Oh fuck no, I have always seen him as mister big business long before he was elected and nothing I have seen since has changed that view.  It seems to be just certain big businesses he has an issue with

Yes, notably the ones who point out his falsehoods (which doesn't imply that they don't lie themselves zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).

No that's true he hasn't ever been a paragon of honesty but much like many things nowadays there is only one acceptable viewpoint in the mass media and given that the mass media is mostly owned by a small few people, the acceptable narrative is whatever suits those few. Big tech the same thing. Or maybe that's what I've been fed, who knows anymore? It's too time consuming to play follow the money with every single piece of news I read.

Out of interest are there any impartial news sources left? I can't think of a single one

[pete]

It's big tech and woke corporate media that are his enemies.

And Mike Pence