The Donald vs Big Tech

[Pedrito]

They're not in a school: 'But Sir, he made me do it'. You walk around with a knife in public and get shot it's your own fault. You break into a building wavjng flags and shouting at the police it's your own fault. It's called personal responsibility.

[open face surgery]

My feelings exactly. Ridiculous analogy to use.

[Eoin McLove]

I think she is a hero and a patriot. Just like the BLM looters.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

How far are you willing to carry that logic? Jim Jones had no responsibility for the mass suicide of his followers either? I'm not saying each individual had no responsibility, no more than I'm saying that each player has no responsibility. But when a leader of any sort knows the extent to which their supporters hang on their instructions, and then instructs them to do something knowing that they will do it, then there is a responsibility there. Which in no way negates potential ignorance, idiocy, or whatever involved in being one of those supporters in the first place. If you had an admirer who was constantly telling you that they'd kill for you and one day you ask them to kill for you, you have a responsibility in articulating that command, legally as well as fucking obviously.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You walk around with a knife in public and get shot it's your own fault.

Another example then. Imagine it turned out that George Nkencho's brother had had a run-in with the manager of the Eurospar and wanted to get his own back. Let's say he knows that his big brother is a bit gone in the head and will be easily influenced, so he makes up a bullshit story that the manager of the Eurospar had stolen his wallet and wouldn't give it back and that the police were in on the whole thing. He asks him to go up to the Eurospar and intimidate the manager based on this totally false premise. Now, think about this as long as you like, would the brother have some level of responsibility in everything that followed as a result?

[Pedrito]

Well when you're trying your level best to hang everything on Trump then you'll find every argument under the sun to do so.

Did he specifically ask them to break into that building? If not, then all the rest of it is just speculation.

Could he have toned down his rhetoric: maybe/probably. But it's been the tensest presidency in our lifetime, the opposition going to never before seen depths to ruin the man's reputation and prevent him from doing his job. He has a right to be upset about. Doesn't mean he's a revolutionary or instigating riots. They'll try and hang him for it, like they tried to hang him with this bullshit, made up impeachment, but hopefully ince the dust settles, in a few years time people might be able to look back with cooler minds and realise the assault on democracy that the democrats were responsible for in the past 4 years.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'm not trying to hang everything on him. For example, I don't think a Clinton administration would have managed to achieve better results with COVID, for various reasons not relevant here. But some things genuinely do seem to result from a four year assault by Trump of constantly saying that X, Y, and Z are lying to Americans and are attacking democracy, whereas Fox, Breitbart, and even far more obviously biased sources, were invariably claimed to be the gospel truth. 

When people look back in a few years, with the benefit of hindsight and instant possibility to compare the things Trump told his supporters with the actual reality that was unfolding at the time, they will wonder how people who had instant access to so many easy avenues for comparing information were nonetheless taken in by such obvious falsehoods. And, hopefully, they will be looking back from a situation in which they have already assured that such a tendency is not allowed run riot again. It has been the worst four years in living memory for the state of the collective intelligence of the US; everyone - conservatives and progressives - have come out of it more biased and, therefore, stupider. That's what happens when you put someone with the emotional maturity of a tween in the highest office.

[Ollkiller]

So reading reports that the cop who died was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher. FBI have released photos asking for assistance in identifying individuals who carried pipe bombs into the building and have identified 6 sitting republican politicians who were part of the mob. The best people lol

[Caomhaoin]

There is no comparison between the weight of media bias toward Trump. Breitbart is not mainstream. There are dozens of national and multinational news outlets and corporations, talk show hosts, Hollywood ball bags and woke corporate interests like Twitter, Facebook, Google adnauseum who hate him and give an unfailing anti-Trump narrative no matter what happens.

'Yeah but what about Fox and Breitbart'? He has far, far fewer for him than against him, and that's been the case since before he won the republican primary.

Surely you can see this.

[Caomhaoin]

So reading reports that the cop who died was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher. FBI have released photos asking for assistance in identifying individuals who carried pipe bombs into the building and have identified 6 sitting republican politicians who were part of the mob. The best people lol

What do you mean by 'sitting politician'?

[Pedrito]

There is no comparison between the weight of media bias toward Trump. Breitbart is not mainstream. There are dozens of national and multinational news outlets and corporations, talk show hosts, Hollywood ball bags and woke corporate interests like Twitter, Facebook, Google adnauseum who hate him and give an unfailing anti-Trump narrative no matter what happens.

'Yeah but what about Fox and Breitbart'? He has far, far fewer for him than against him, and that's been the case since before he won the republican primary.

Surely you can see this.

They only see what they want to see. Every cunt under the sun like Stephen Colbert, our buddy Trevor Noah, John Oliver, Jimmy Fallon, the list is endless went on the attack immediately once they got the go ahead from their lizard overlords. The entire mainstream media apart from the usual right leaning suspects went into an all out assault. The Democratic party and its cronies then systematically went about crippling everything he attempted to do and they were never secretive about it. Right from the get go they didn't even attend his innauguration and the assault began on the day one.

Added to this pasty faced 'wannabe' political experts all around Ireland, the usual barstool variety, lads who sell cars in Spain, teachers, hookers, barmen, your oul wan, everywhere you went someone was giving out about him. A sure sign of MASS-HYSTERIA. Instigated, implemented and managed by very powerful media groups, big tech(facebook, youtube, google etc) and whoever else has a big stake in ensuring their puppet is comfortably placed in the White House.

[pete]

So reading reports that the cop who died was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher. FBI have released photos asking for assistance in identifying individuals who carried pipe bombs into the building and have identified 6 sitting republican politicians who were part of the mob. The best people lol

Any links to the "6 sitting republican politicians who were part of the mob" ?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There is no comparison between the weight of media bias toward Trump. Breitbart is not mainstream. There are dozens of national and multinational news outlets and corporations, talk show hosts, Hollywood ball bags and woke corporate interests like Twitter, Facebook, Google adnauseum who hate him and give an unfailing anti-Trump narrative no matter what happens.

'Yeah but what about Fox and Breitbart'? He has far, far fewer for him than against him, and that's been the case since before he won the republican primary.

Surely you can see this.

I don't see what point you're trying to make here. I'm not talking about which side has the greater bias, I'm talking about Trump having communicated more biased and false things to his supporters than any previous president. Not necessarily bigger lies, but many, many more of them, an endless stream of biasing falsehoods.

You rattle on endlessly about how the media is owned by the progressives, and yet at other times you gloat about how certain Fox presenters have the largest viewerships. It's the size of the viewership, the reach, that counts. Even if Fox was the only conservative media, which it is not, if it was reaching as many voters as the combined efforts of as many progressive media as you like, then the potential for biasing would be, in effect, level between conservative media and progressive media.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Half the people who 'hate' Big Donnie ♥️ don't even really know why they hate him.
And that, is scary....

[Yung Led Zeppelin]

So hold on.

Media tells people Trump bad = media responsible for drumming up hysteria, people have not made up their minds of their own volition

Trump tells people election stolen, fight, etc = Trump not responsible for what happened when his loyal supporters hang on his word

Yes I know, this is simplified and a bit dumb but I'm throwing it in, fuck it