Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on January 07, 2021, 03:56:20 PM
I wonder did she suffer from 'mental illness'?

No doubt in my mind.

QuoteBabbitt's husband told KUSI she was a 14-year veteran who served four tours with USAF in the Middle East as a 'high level security official,'

That either confirms or refutes your assertion

In a Joseph Heller sense, it would confirm it.

I was leaning towards confirming it as well. Had to look up Heller. Haven't read him but I see where you were going.

#2148 January 07, 2021, 07:04:24 PM Last Edit: January 07, 2021, 07:13:30 PM by Paul keohane
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Pelosi calls for resignation of head of Capitol police, Trump indefinitely suspended from FB and Instagram.

As if it would be any other way.

Do you any of you here think Trump bears any responsibility in the four deaths, incidentally? And those who don't, on what basis?

Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there.  Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if trump is responsible for their fates then so is everything else.

Of course he's responsible. He's responsible for everything sure: racism, covid, hairy holes etc etc etc

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 07, 2021, 10:04:50 PM
Do you any of you here think Trump bears any responsibility in the four deaths, incidentally? And those who don't, on what basis?

Of course he did. He incited it. And his style of language has been inciting this since he took office.

I dunno if incitement works as simply as that. People have to be able to weigh it up for themselves at the end of the day and it only works properly if the people are already ripe for it but that's usually for any amount of other reasons more than the things that actually set it off


Might be the cop who's died of his injuries.

Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 10:41:00 PM
Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there.  Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if trump is responsible for their fates then so is everything else.

You should give football punditry a go man:
"So, the match was an unmitigated disaster. Astfgyl, do you think the manager has to bear the responsibility for that with his choice of a 1-1-8 formation, essentially instructing everyone to go on the offensive?"

"Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said, but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there? Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if the manager is responsible for their fates then so is everything else."

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 08, 2021, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: astfgyl on January 07, 2021, 10:41:00 PM
Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there.  Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if trump is responsible for their fates then so is everything else.

You should give football punditry a go man:
"So, the match was an unmitigated disaster. Astfgyl, do you think the manager has to bear the responsibility for that with his choice of a 1-1-8 formation, essentially instructing everyone to go on the offensive?"

"Yes and no. Yes he was an influencing factor in their decision to be there with the things he said, but then how many things in their lives were factors in them being the sort of person who ends up there? Lots of people are influenced by what they see and hear and if the manager is responsible for their fates then so is everything else."

;D