The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

That German army comment...my toes are curling.

See a podiatrist then:

[pete]

1 guy drove the car, hardly fair to tar anyone else with that brush, regardless of what side they were on, or what their political opinions are.

That German army comment...my toes are curling.

Pete, do you have a roll call of the attendees and an in-depth psychiatric report on their political affiliations? Probably not. Idle speculation.

Your sentence about the KKK makes no sense, Pete. Sorry.

I don't but we know who organised it, a rubbish link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Kessler, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
And we know others who were at it.

I know what you are saying that I don't know everyone who was there, which is fair enough, but I'd be thinking why would you be there? You know?

I just mentioned the KKK one as they were involved in the August one too. And the organisers of the July one.

[Caomhaoin]

You're kind of reaching here. It's the analogy I was mocking.

In any case those look like confederate soldier sin the first one, and the second looks more Soviet than Nazi-era German.

By the way, the majority of the rockstars on those posters are cranks and screwballs, in my opinion, and their politics are for the most part daft and unrealistic. A bit like Marxism. Nevertheless, they are entitled to their opinions, and shouldn't be crucified for them. Neither should you be.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Totally useless, it's an 'estimate' made in advance of the rally.

Come on lad

The point is the functions and titles of the people making the estimates based upon their followers: the word "wizard" appears more than once, but I'd invite you to look up any of the other names you're not familiar with. I, a white supremacist or neo-fascist, estimate that X number of my followers will be there. It was organized by and open by invitation to the KKK, white supremacists, neo-fascists, etc. Explicitly. On what basis did Trump apparently "know" there were "fine people" there? The burden of proof is on him.

[Caomhaoin]

Yeah, a bunch of right wing guys were there, of varying degrees of 'extremity'.

I meant the KKK sentence didn't make sense in that I didn't understand what you were trying to say.

[pete]

Yeah, a bunch of right wing guys were there, of varying degrees of 'extremity'.

I meant the KKK sentence didn't make sense in that I didn't understand what you were trying to say.

Ah sorry yeah. Just meant we know the type of person who was organising these protests.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Trump was, I think quite obviously, trying to find a way to placate everyone, knowing with 99% certainty that the rally attendees were his voters. It was always going to be difficult to balance condemnation and sycophancy, but apparently he did just a good enough job to hoodwink his die-hard supporters.

[Caomhaoin]

Totally useless, it's an 'estimate' made in advance of the rally.

Come on lad

The point is the functions and titles of the people making the estimates based upon their followers: the word "wizard" appears more than once, but I'd invite you to look up any of the other names you're not familiar with. I, a white supremacist or neo-fascist, estimate that X number of my followers will be there. It was organized by and open by invitation to the KKK, white supremacists, neo-fascists, etc. Explicitly. On what basis did Trump apparently "know" there were "fine people" there? The burden of proof is on him.

If you can find such a list of people who were there, rather than being 'estimated', I'll gladly cede ground.

You are shifting the goalposts a bit now. The media did Trump up like a kipper, and deliberately omitted the part where he said he condemns Nazis. The burden of proof is in him? The implication being that anyone with a political opinion which you find abhorrent is evil? You're asking the impossible. Of course, you are, as usual, incapable of recognising a blatant media hoax which tried to portray Trump as some kind of Nazi apologist.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You're kind of reaching here. ...

In any case those look like confederate soldier sin the first one, and the second looks more Soviet than Nazi-era German.

By the way, the majority of the rockstars on those posters are cranks and screwballs, in my opinion, and their politics are for the most part daft and unrealistic. A bit like Marxism. Nevertheless, they are entitled to their opinions, and shouldn't be crucified for them. Neither should you be.

If I'm reaching, what was all that??

I'm not saying anyone should be crucified, I'm saying Trump was justifiably attacked for describing any of them as "fine people". They are, as you put it, cranks and screwballs, but more or less dangerous ones.

[pete]

Trump was, I think quite obviously, trying to find a way to placate everyone, knowing with 99% certainty that the rally attendees were his voters. It was always going to be difficult to balance condemnation and sycophancy, but apparently he did just a good enough job to hoodwink his die-hard supporters.

Yes he's defo a win at any costs kind of guy. I like when he goes with the "i know nothing" approach!!



Tapper, Feb. 28: I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage. Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?

Trump: Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke. OK? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know.

From https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-david-duke-amnesia/

[Caomhaoin]

You're kind of reaching here. ...

In any case those look like confederate soldier sin the first one, and the second looks more Soviet than Nazi-era German.

By the way, the majority of the rockstars on those posters are cranks and screwballs, in my opinion, and their politics are for the most part daft and unrealistic. A bit like Marxism. Nevertheless, they are entitled to their opinions, and shouldn't be crucified for them. Neither should you be.

If I'm reaching, what was all that??

I'm not saying anyone should be crucified, I'm saying Trump was justifiably attacked for describing any of them as "fine people". They are, as you put it, cranks and screwballs, but more or less dangerous ones.

Any of who? It's already been established that you do not know who was there, and he disavowed the Nazi and White Supremacist element. I mean, what do you want? Justifiably attacked? I respectfully disagree. The media, or most of it, and people who swallow it, will use anything, the sniff, the essence of anything, to discredit Trump.

In the words of my man TC, 'this is a serious question'.

Do you think the hoax created by CNN and pals was in fact not a hoax? And they were right to omit his vehement disavowal of Nazis?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

On what factual basis (since apparently that's what Trump was waiting for, facts) does one assert that, at a rally explicitly and solely organized by and advertised to neo-fascists and white supremacists, there were in fact some "fine people" who were not neo-fascists or white supremacists? In other words, who were neither organizers nor in the target audience of the organizers?

[Caomhaoin]

Have you seen all of the advertisements? What is a Neo-Fascist?

And have you ever considered a career in politics? You certainly talk like one.

Regardless, this is missing the point. CNN, MSNBC and others deliberately omitted the part of the conference when he disavowed Nazis. Joe Biden propagated this hoax. Do you think Trump was treated unfairly, knowing these facts?

[Pedrito]

71 million people voted for Trump in this election. A tiny microscopic element of them might have a swastika tattoo or shaved head. As in real life, they're few and far between. Fucking smoke and mirrors, media hysteria that some of you seem to lap up without question.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/opinion/trump-biden-nation-divided.amp.html

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Trump wanted to avoid pissing them off, because he loves being loved, and perhaps because he himself initially overestimated their number. He got what was coming to him over it from the media. The only clouded judgements here are those defending Trump. Personally, I'm not defending anyone; all the media play to their audience, as does Trump. He fucked up here, it went against him, he bounced back. I've repeated loads of times I don't think he's a fascist himself; I might actually respect him more if he was, that old bible verse about better hot or cold than lukewarm, y'know.