Wouldn't the republicans have been smarter to find bad votes or dead voters that were for Trump instead and work with convincing everyone that it all needed a hand recount and check because they only want legal votes counted. They could have taken the altruistic stance and still got what they wanted. Send in a load of dodgy votes for themselves and then use those to cast doubt if they didn't win

Quote from: astfgyl on November 16, 2020, 05:36:06 PM
Wouldn't the republicans have been smarter to find bad votes or dead voters that were for Trump instead and work with convincing everyone that it all needed a hand recount and check because they only want legal votes counted. They could have taken the altruistic stance and still got what they wanted. Send in a load of dodgy votes for themselves and then use those to cast doubt if they didn't win

So basically commit fraud to find fraud. But wouldn't they then just find their own fraud?

Talk of him running in 2024. Lovely stuff :)

Sure he'll be even older at that point than Biden is now

Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 16, 2020, 05:58:43 PM
Talk of him running in 2024. Lovely stuff :)

Probably as an independent and spilt the republican vote. Now of course he could get the republican nomination again.

Quote from: Ollkiller on November 16, 2020, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on November 16, 2020, 05:36:06 PM
Wouldn't the republicans have been smarter to find bad votes or dead voters that were for Trump instead and work with convincing everyone that it all needed a hand recount and check because they only want legal votes counted. They could have taken the altruistic stance and still got what they wanted. Send in a load of dodgy votes for themselves and then use those to cast doubt if they didn't win


So basically commit fraud to find fraud. But wouldn't they then just find their own fraud?

Yeah I was just bollixing, but we all knew coming into this that if Trump lost he would call fraud. Now I think that some of the claims have foundation, especially the ones around the glitches in the voting machine software but I don't think anything will come of it and there is equal chance that had Trump won, there could be equally valid concerns laid at the door of the republicans. I'm not favouring one over the other with the argument but I personally wouldn't trust anything other than proper paper ballot, in-person voting. Even that can be scammed to a certain extent, but has nothing on the potential of mail-in or e-voting.

Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 16, 2020, 05:58:43 PM
Talk of him running in 2024. Lovely stuff :)

Doesn't he have to lose this one first?

Hang on, it turns out that beyond half of the legal fund donations going to repay campaign debt, apparently all individual donations below $8,000 go straight into repaying that debt. Well no fucking wonder he's not conceding! The scam must play out as long as possible! Ah well, elect a glorified Swiss Tony, expect to be sold a cut-and-shut.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 17, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Hang on, it turns out that beyond half of the legal fund donations going to repay campaign debt, apparently all individual donations below $8,000 go straight into repaying that debt. Well no fucking wonder he's not conceding! The scam must play out as long as possible! Ah well, elect a glorified Swiss Tony, expect to be sold a cut-and-shut.

Yup.

And even though the law suits keep getting thrown out, 'ol millionaire Joe Biden is after a few quid to fight them!?

https://joebiden.com/presidency-for-all-americans/

"Donald Trump is doubling down on lawsuits. We need to be able to afford the legal battles ahead, and ensure Trump doesn't win them just because we don't have the funds to fight back. Will you donate directly to the Biden Fight Fund right now so that we can pay for the new round of legal resources for our campaign and for Democrats across the country?"

Presumably he'll give it back to me when he realises he doesn't need it for Trump's and Rudy's nonsense.

Or...

"Contributions to Biden Fight Fund from persons/multicandidate committees shall be allocated in the following order:

$142,000/$60,000 the DNC, $2,800/$5,000 to the Biden for President Recount Account, and any additional funds to the DNC, subject to applicable contribution limits.

The allocation formula above may change if following it would result in an excessive contribution. A contributor may designate his or her contribution for a particular participant by contacting contact@joebiden.com.

Contributions will be used in connection with federal elections, may be spent on any activity as each committee determines in its sole discretion, and will not be earmarked for any particular candidate. Federal law requires us to use our best efforts to collect and report the name, mailing address, occupation, and name of employer of individuals whose contributions exceed $200 per election cycle. The Biden Fight Fund does not accept contributions from corporations or their PACs, unions, federal contractors, national banks, those registered as federal lobbyists or under FARA, SEC-named executives of fossil fuel companies, or foreign nationals."

Chancers!   :laugh:


Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 17, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Hang on, it turns out that beyond half of the legal fund donations going to repay campaign debt, apparently all individual donations below $8,000 go straight into repaying that debt. Well no fucking wonder he's not conceding! The scam must play out as long as possible! Ah well, elect a glorified Swiss Tony, expect to be sold a cut-and-shut.

And yet, raising questionable legal funds is very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You string 'em along with some half-lies and evasions, mention you need to probe some deep dark holes, and then take all their money.

Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.

It leaves every future election open to dispute. When you have state officials admitting on the news that fraud to some degree will be discovered , you can't but blame the Trump camp. Pollsters have lost all credibility too, and not just in the presidential election. Several republican candidates crushed the opposing democrat despite polls predicting their defeat.

Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 18, 2020, 06:50:32 AM
When you have state officials admitting on the news that fraud to some degree will be discovered , you can't but blame the Trump camp.

Link?

Go on Android Zuckerberg, shut Facepoop down...


https://youtu.be/pOdrPruSnrw

That was...disappointingly dull.