The Donald vs Big Tech

[Nazgûl]

Whatever TC said on the 6th of November, or any other date for that matter, was right then, and it's right now.

You're so unbelievably biased it's gas.

[Caomhaoin]

Yes but you see I don't really mean that.

[astfgyl]

Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.

Mail in voting has been used for ages in the USA. Between 2000 and 2012 there was 491 cases of fraud in mail in voting out of billions of votes. And it works brilliantly. Just cause Trump cast doubts on it does not mean it is now working. It means he's a sore loser.

How strongly were those ballots audited during those years? I still wouldn't trust it. Certainly wouldn't trust the machines either, not in a million years and regardless of who wins.

[Ollkiller]

Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.

Mail in voting has been used for ages in the USA. Between 2000 and 2012 there was 491 cases of fraud in mail in voting out of billions of votes. And it works brilliantly. Just cause Trump cast doubts on it does not mean it is now working. It means he's a sore loser.

How strongly were those ballots audited during those years? I still wouldn't trust it. Certainly wouldn't trust the machines either, not in a million years and regardless of who wins.

Everytime a ballot is recounted it's within a few hundred votes. Tons of ballots audited per se over the years. There really is absolutely nothing to Trumps accusations.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I don't need to tell you what we used to do to teams who came down from Wicklow to play hurling challenge matches against us or any other school in Kilkenny

Asked them what was happening in the civilized world? 

[astfgyl]

Whoever one might prefer in the race there the whole thing is pathetic. Use fucking paper votes and have them vote in person. Problem solved. Load of bollix the whole lot of it. If someone can't leave the house, have a ballot box brought round to their house with observers from both sides. The fact that the result is even in the slightest way disputable (and no matter who lost it would have been disputed) is actually ridiculous.

Mail in voting has been used for ages in the USA. Between 2000 and 2012 there was 491 cases of fraud in mail in voting out of billions of votes. And it works brilliantly. Just cause Trump cast doubts on it does not mean it is now working. It means he's a sore loser.

How strongly were those ballots audited during those years? I still wouldn't trust it. Certainly wouldn't trust the machines either, not in a million years and regardless of who wins.

Everytime a ballot is recounted it's within a few hundred votes. Tons of ballots audited per se over the years. There really is absolutely nothing to Trumps accusations.

Would you personally trust e-voting?

[astfgyl]

I don't need to tell you what we used to do to teams who came down from Wicklow to play hurling challenge matches against us or any other school in Kilkenny

Asked them what was happening in the civilized world? 

If it's Kilkenny he surely means some Deliverance type of shit

[Ollkiller]

Would you personally trust e-voting?

I like you prefer in person voting. And then mail in for people who cant make it to a station to vote. Because of the obvious reason that e-voting is like any computer hardware, prone to attack.

But America has had e-voting for years. And it works.

[astfgyl]

Would you personally trust e-voting?

I like you prefer in person voting. And then mail in for people who cant make it to a station to vote. Because of the obvious reason that e-voting is like any computer hardware, prone to attack.

But America has had e-voting for years. And it works.

Yeah maybe you're right about mail-in, it's not something I've given any time to thinking about before now tbh. I wonder has the e-voting worked for years though. It puts me in mind of our own e-voting machine fiasco back in the day. Correct me if I'm wrong but was it not refused because it wasn't proved to be secure enough? I also get that most people didn't vote for Biden, just against Trump so it isn't unreasonable to assume the record was set as a protest rather than an endorsement. I dunno though, I dislike both of them and it still feels wrong. I'm neither a left or right supporter btw, I think that a lot of it is marketing and no matter who wins it won't be Joe Soap.

[pete]

Would you personally trust e-voting?

I like you prefer in person voting. And then mail in for people who cant make it to a station to vote. Because of the obvious reason that e-voting is like any computer hardware, prone to attack.

But America has had e-voting for years. And it works.

Most E-voting in the US is in person voting though?

[Ollkiller]

Would you personally trust e-voting?

I like you prefer in person voting. And then mail in for people who cant make it to a station to vote. Because of the obvious reason that e-voting is like any computer hardware, prone to attack.

But America has had e-voting for years. And it works.

Most E-voting in the US is in person voting though?

Sure is. Should have clarified. In person by hand ballot is what I prefer but in person e voting is what USA has down for a while and works well.

[pete]

The definition of e-voting is quite broad! So in person hand ballots like you say are scanned and considered part of e-voting.

"
- Optical scan paper ballot systems: Voters mark their votes by filling in an oval, box, or similar shape on a paper ballot. The paper ballots are scanned either at the polling place or at a central location.[1]

- Direct recording electronic (DRE) systems: DRE systems employ computers that record votes directly into the computers' memory. These interfaces may incorporate touchscreens, dials, or mechanical buttons. The voter's choices are stored by the computer on a cartridge or hard drive. Some DRE systems are also equipped with Voter-Verified Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT) printers, which produce paper records that can be preserved to be tabulated in case of an audit or recount.[1]

- Ballot-marking devices and systems (BMDs): A BMD "allows for the electronic presentation of a ballot, electronic selection of valid contest options, and the production of a human-readable paper ballot, but does not make any other lasting record of the voter's selections." Initially used primarily to accommodate voters with disabilities, BMDs are used by all voters in some locations.[1]
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This breaks it down by state: https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_state

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

In person by hand ballot is also susceptible to fraud. Pretty much every method is. Even once they, presumably, start scanning biometric ID cards at time of voting, people will be demonstrating more or less convoluted ways of tricking the system.

[pete]

Rudy live now.

Case closed, I'm convinced:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1329476009310244864

[Ollkiller]

Rudy live now.

Case closed, I'm convinced:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1329476009310244864

At least it's inside and not beside a sex shop. Still a car crash though. Rudy. The gift that keeps on giving.