The Donald vs Big Tech

[astfgyl]

See that's the sort of thing I'm getting at. Saw a whole piece based around the quote in The Atlantic with no mention of the rest of what he said but plenty of mention of the leftists' horrified reaction to his misconstrued comments. As I say, I'm pretty impartial when it comes to this but it looks like poor reporting to me and not of the accidental kind.

[Caomhaoin]

The media hated and continues to hate Trump, for the most part, and it's a profession with very little credibility these days because of the complete lack of integrity they endlessly demonstrate. I don't blame Ollkiller for believing that shite, the truth was actively concealed from the public. It's not an isolated incident either.

Quite a few of them will be stuck for a story if Trump's legal challenge fails.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Are you still quoting that Charlottesville thing which has been debunked for months? All the news networks just deleted the part where he said 'I'm not talking about white supremacists or Nazis, I condemn them' right after that quote you, well, quoted. In fact, it was part of the same quote.

He should have done the same for those pimple-faced lesbian vegans on the other side. Cowardly gang of cunts.

Watch to the end

https://youtu.be/3nYLSAgj0Hk

Do your homework and don't become Ducky V2.0!

Isn't that press conference his "explainer" of his initial comments in which he didn't qualify? That whole thing was a clusterfuck, but it's not true that anyone quoting it at the time was "leaving out a bit": they were quoting his original comments.

[Caomhaoin]

You obviously didn't watch the video which debunks that and proves that it was a fabricated 'clusterfuck'.

I invite you to educate yourself on the matter by doing so.

If one misspeaks, for want of a better word, only to clarify ones position in the exact same conversation, it's childish in the extreme to beat the man with a sentence which is bereft of the clarification.

I'm intrigued to see how you will avoid saying 'fair enough' on this yin.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I did watch the video, even though I've seen it before. I'm saying that this video is a few days after the fact, and what caused the real outrage is what he said on the day itself, and that he took a couple of days to explicitly condemn white supremacists.

[Caomhaoin]

Which comments? Can you be specific?

Even if it was a couple of days (I'm not sure if you're confusing this with something he did or didn't say in the first debate), it's completely laughable to bleat on and on about when he has, on various occasions, condemned Nazis and what have you.


Here you have an article which debunks Biden's claims as well as a transcript of that interview which exonerates Trump from the inaccurate  accusations  .
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/

[pete]

The timeline is that on the 12th Trump was signing Veterans Affairs Choice and Quality Employment Act of 2017 and made remarks about Charlottesville. He doesn't mention fine people this day, but they were not happy with him saying violence from both sides I think.

Transcript: https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/aug/14/context-president-donald-trumps-saturday-statement/

Then on the 15th while signing another executive order is asked about Charlottesville, which is the video above where he uses the Fine People quote.

Transcript: https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn't put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

and after some back and forth says the neo nazi bit:

"So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people -- and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."

[Caomhaoin]

There was violence on both sides. It's indisputable.

There you go. The Charlottesville Trump hoax.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Re the violence, only one side had driven a car into a crowd of the other side.

Re the fine people, who? It was an event organized by white nationalists, neo-fascists, etc. It wasn't a "protest the removal of this statue" event, it was a "Unite The Right" event. Maybe, by accident, there were some people there not interested in the views of David Duke, Richard Spencer, and company, but that's who organized it. If you want to split hairs that way, maybe there were some fine people in the German army when it invaded Poland. Okay, but, eh, kinda missing the point, no?

[pete]

When you remove the white supremacists/neo-nazis from the Unite the Right rally on the 12th though, are we left with many people?

[pete]

Re the violence, only one side had driven a car into a crowd of the other side.

Re the fine people, who? It was an event organized by white nationalists, neo-fascists, etc. It wasn't a "protest the removal of this statue" event, it was a "Unite The Right" event. Maybe, by accident, there were some people there not interested in the views of David Duke, Richard Spencer, and company, but that's who organized it. If you want to split hairs that way, maybe there were some fine people in the German army when it invaded Poland. Okay, but, eh, kinda missing the point, no?

Exactly. And only a month previous the Ku Klux Klan organised protest of the removal happened in Charlottesville.

[Caomhaoin]

1 guy drove the car, hardly fair to tar anyone else with that brush, regardless of what side they were on, or what their political opinions are.

That German army comment...my toes are curling.

Pete, do you have a roll call of the attendees and an in-depth psychiatric report on their political affiliations? Probably not. Idle speculation.

Your sentence about the KKK makes no sense, Pete. Sorry.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Pete, do you have a roll call of the attendees and an in-depth psychiatric report on their political affiliations? Probably not. Idle speculation.

Actually...
https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/896178257615351813

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Read the "roll call" of organizers and speakers on the second page closely.

[Caomhaoin]

Totally useless, it's an 'estimate' made in advance of the rally.

Come on lad