The media can't even not lie about the weather...  :laugh:


https://youtu.be/S9xwxxVbsf0


Well all these completely unverified accounts with nothing to back up their claims has me convinced

Quote from: Trev on November 07, 2020, 10:27:35 AM
Well all these completely unverified accounts with nothing to back up their claims has me convinced
Nice one Trev. Good to see my hard work is paying off.

How's your cough by the way?


#1641 November 07, 2020, 11:20:59 AM Last Edit: November 07, 2020, 11:24:07 AM by The Butcher
Quote from: Ollkiller on November 06, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: The Butcher on November 06, 2020, 01:23:52 PM
True Biden is not inspiring with zero policy (overall a terrible candidate) but it was Trumps handling of the pandemic along with his idiotic loud mouth that lost him this race despite of his results. Long run for Biden will be retiring in 2022 at nearly 81 years old and leaving Harris to build up as the next candidate..which is a horrible idea I know but this is the democrats we are talking about. I would have preferred Andrew Yang myself if I had to pick but he gained zero traction with what he was saying.

Biden does have policies
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/#

Ah here you know what I meant. First debate the only policy Biden managed to talk about was giving billions to Brazil to stop them burning down the rainforest  :-X I've been listening to him speak during his rallies in the lead up to election day...nothing but inane stories about the soul of the nation tripe and how he grew up in Scranton and mainly a "I'm not Trump, look how bad Trump is at XYZ" lines. The only thing he could make stick was the handling of covid.  He is not a policy person and certainly didn't portray that during the campaign or the debates.

And the talk of Trump not going away....probably won't for the next 4 years...I could see him still holding these rallies and stirring up madness but can also see him f**king off. He will be 78 himself at 2024 next time out and he's already showing signs himself of cognitive decline (probably will be as bad as Biden is now). I wouldn't be surprised if Trump/Biden both croak before then.

Quote from: Pedrito on November 07, 2020, 09:41:02 AM
Back to the neo-liberal pillage of the middle and working classes it is then, while championing changes and pursuing policies that have no positive impact on their lives. Politics needed a kick in the hole. Trump provided it.

The neo-liberal pillage never went away. Politics may have needed a kick in the hole, but if you want to really think about what's been happening, the most likely "conspiracy" at work here, I think, is this:
The wealthiest interests behind both the DNC and the GOP are the same interests, and their bible is an old testament of economic liberalism mixed with a new testament of neo-con/neo-liberal doctrines.
In other words, none of the biggest backers of either party had an interest in the state of the nation, or the globe, getting a genuine kick in the hole.
However, a bit of extra circus when there's not quite enough bread to go around does wonders. So, Trump - a millionaire jester in a suit - is allowed a shot at sitting in the king's chair for a while, because it is known that he will be a laughing stock to half but a hero to others, someone who talks their language.
So, you've now beautifully divided the nation and also reinforced the idea that power does actually reside with the people, since they were "able" to vote in this oddity, and now they have "succeeded" in getting rid of him. So half the people see the other half as "morons" and they, in turn, see the others as "sheep."
But now that Trump's gone, what will happen? Well, the four year experiment was obviously a failure, since the people have "rejected" it, which means it's time to go back to "business as usual" (which, in reality, we never moved away from in any meaningful way) except cranked up just a little bit more.

Personally, I'll be relieved to see Trump go, because I've always hated the circus, but I don't for a second think that anything will be "better" without him, no more than they would be "better" if he stayed. So, if I wanted to go full political conspiracy on it, I would say that Trump's tenure as president was the biggest literal piss-taking mockery of the people ever yet orchestrated in the USA by the real powers that be, those who dwell far above party lines.

Just look, for instance, at how quickly Fox News and the New York Post, two of Murdoch's most treasured babies, are setting themselves up to drop Trump. Both seem to be openly rejecting and criticizing his claims of fraud.

#1644 November 07, 2020, 12:27:24 PM Last Edit: November 07, 2020, 12:31:52 PM by Pedrito
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 07, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 07, 2020, 09:41:02 AM
Back to the neo-liberal pillage of the middle and working classes it is then, while championing changes and pursuing policies that have no positive impact on their lives. Politics needed a kick in the hole. Trump provided it.

The neo-liberal pillage never went away. Politics may have needed a kick in the hole, but if you want to really think about what's been happening, the most likely "conspiracy" at work here, I think, is this:
The wealthiest interests behind both the DNC and the GOP are the same interests, and their bible is an old testament of economic liberalism mixed with a new testament of neo-con/neo-liberal doctrines.
In other words, none of the biggest backers of either party had an interest in the state of the nation, or the globe, getting a genuine kick in the hole.
However, a bit of extra circus when there's not quite enough bread to go around does wonders. So, Trump - a millionaire jester in a suit - is allowed a shot at sitting in the king's chair for a while, because it is known that he will be a laughing stock to half but a hero to others, someone who talks their language.
So, you've now beautifully divided the nation and also reinforced the idea that power does actually reside with the people, since they were "able" to vote in this oddity, and now they have "succeeded" in getting rid of him. So half the people see the other half as "morons" and they, in turn, see the others as "sheep."
But now that Trump's gone, what will happen? Well, the four year experiment was obviously a failure, since the people have "rejected" it, which means it's time to go back to "business as usual" (which, in reality, we never moved away from in any meaningful way) except cranked up just a little bit more.

Personally, I'll be relieved to see Trump go, because I've always hated the circus, but I don't for a second think that anything will be "better" without him, no more than they would be "better" if he stayed. So, if I wanted to go full political conspiracy on it, I would say that Trump's tenure as president was the biggest literal piss-taking mockery of the people ever yet orchestrated in the USA by the real powers that be, those who dwell far above party lines.

Apart from your last paragraph, you and me are far closer in thinking than you might believe. My stance on the whole thing has always been that Trump was never as Nazi/evil/racist blah blah blah as he has been portrayed in the media. Biden is not some divine saviour come to vanquish evil. He's the starus quo, the same oul thing dressed up as something new and exciting. Everybody could see through the Obama schpiel by the end of his tenure too. Happy families, him and Michelle, total wafflers.

I think Trump voiced something, or at least tapped into something, be it deliberately or not, that had been left unsaid/voiceless for a long time. That hasn't gone away and it won't either. Just look at the complete split in the country after a massive turnout to vote. Trump is not the point here, the emotion and thinking that went along with him is the point. There are real, definite issues underlying these votes, but no politician or party seems to want to get to grips with them. It's got nothing to do with race or religion or any of that bollox. Very few sane people spend their whole day walking around obsessing about these things. It's got to do with quality of life, jobs, security, housing..the basics. Trump, at the very least, seemed to try.

Whether that was all spoof and bluster I cannot say, I'm not on the ground in the U.S. and only have highly partisan media outlets/including youtube to rely on for info. Now it's the turn of JB. That's politics, that's the system, let's see what happens. As for Trump, I wouldn't worry about the man. He's got plenty of golf courses at his disposal and he can ride off into the sunset now having left a big orange mark on history.

Wonder if Jimmy Carter is going to out live a few more presidents.

I do insist on the "if" of the conspiracy theory angle. I don't think any agenda so unified or efficient actually exists.


Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 02:25:58 PM
Lack of self awareness anyone..?


https://youtu.be/oIZUica4h-k

Person collects crazy Twitter quotes and puts them in a video. Riveting. Fuck this count is taking its time. Haven't a clue why they just haven't called it.

Quote from: Ollkiller on November 07, 2020, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on November 07, 2020, 02:25:58 PM
Lack of self awareness anyone..?


https://youtu.be/oIZUica4h-k

Person collects crazy Twitter quotes and puts them in a video. Riveting. Fuck this count is taking its time. Haven't a clue why they just haven't called it.
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