The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

"Fake news." That's the guy you're talking about here. Everything from CNN, etc., was fake news. Everything from every opinion spinner on Fox was relayed as "fact." That guy. Obama not born in the US. That guy. Not really surprising both that he should become the first prime target of fact-checking, but also that he would fail the checks with such regularity. Is there a mysterious cabal working behind the scenes to simply have blues and reds no longer believe anything that comes from the opposing camp in order to drive division among the masses? It's possible. In that case, the same cabal decided Trump's role was to come to an end by having even Fox "prematurely" claim he had lost Arizona (which they did a couple of days before NYT or CNN, who still haven't declared that state), and then also declare Biden as winner. There may be vagueness about the real powers at work behind the scenes, but there is very little that doesn't make sense on the level you're analyzing, from where I'm looking.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Here's another piece, not presented because I agree with everything in it or everything Klein has said anywhere else, but to show once again that there is no free ride being offered to Biden from within the Democratic party, even at this embryonic stage of his mandate:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/08/joe-biden-risky-candidate-us-election

[astfgyl]

"Fake news." That's the guy you're talking about here. Everything from CNN, etc., was fake news. Everything from every opinion spinner on Fox was relayed as "fact." That guy. Obama not born in the US. That guy. Not really surprising both that he should become the first prime target of fact-checking, but also that he would fail the checks with such regularity. Is there a mysterious cabal working behind the scenes to simply have blues and reds no longer believe anything that comes from the opposing camp in order to drive division among the masses? It's possible. In that case, the same cabal decided Trump's role was to come to an end by having even Fox "prematurely" claim he had lost Arizona (which they did a couple of days before NYT or CNN, who still haven't declared that state), and then also declare Biden as winner. There may be vagueness about the real powers at work behind the scenes, but there is very little that doesn't make sense on the level you're analyzing, from where I'm looking.

Yeah maybe you're right. I'm hyper-skeptical at the best of times. Mostly when it comes to any official version of things. I'd like to hear the argument from a full-on Trump supporter as well just to balance it out. For all I know the media is just doing what it does and sticking arses to chairs and eyes to screens and there truly is nothing to see here. Then there is the no smoke without fire thing and I still have the gut feeling of something being off that I can't shake. It's also quite possible every election ever would leave me with the same feeling if it were to be played out through the web like this one. Maybe the presidency is a moot point anyway and congress and the senate is where the magic happens. I do think whoever controls the opinion of the public must have a massive hand in outcomes though and we are back to my old favourite Cambridge Analytica or whatever is the updated version of that.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There surely is something to see, but not at the level you're looking; not at the openly publicly available level. If manufacture of consent is a reality, then it goes hand in hand with the illusion of public power. Obama being elected appeared a wonder of public power. Trump being elected seemed either a miracle or a perversion, but either way the result of public power. Now Trump's defeat is being sold as yet another feat of public power, and we have people here beating the drum of Trump being "good" for the people. Most likely, all of it is circus, pantomime, the play within the play, Plato's cavern. Read some Walter Lippmann, one of the architects of today's political and economic societal structure. For him, democracy per se was a ludicrous idea and only an elite could decide what was best. Either that idea could be sold to the public and internalized as their own opinion, or else they'd need to be distracted by a simulacrum of participation. He formalized the idea of manufacture of consent. If I thought Obama getting in was theatrics, well it gives some idea of how seriously I take Trump's scene; an Oscar winning blooper reel.

That could all be off the mark, so I'm not 100% invested in the perspective, but at the level of historic, rather than "political" time, it makes more sense to follow the tides rather than each wave.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Straight from the donkey's mouth....

https://youtu.be/WGRnhBmHYN0

[Cailleach]

Ah he's not, he is just very nostalgic. Should go down a treat with the 90s crowd

I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.

The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.

Pennsylvania is going to court tomorrow and I have a feeling Trumps team have even more evidence than they are letting on. I don't think this is over yet. The supreme court overturned the election result in 2000 and gave it to Bush.

Has anyone even tried to make an argument why there is a good faith reason to block GOP poll watchers, or are we just supposed to ignore how highly suspicious that seems?

My feeling on it is that if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck then it's likely to be a duck. The blocking of observers is the first red flag and the 120,000 odd votes that suddenly turned up and not even 5 of them Trump is suspicious as well. How the Biden votes kept turning up long after the time. As I said, it will be the new 9/11. Everyone will know it's dodgy as fuck, the accused will find evidence to refute the claims of wrongdoing from somewhere and yet everyone will still know it's dicey. I hope Trump's camp do have some decent evidence, but my gut tells me it will go nowhere.

The problem with this argument is that to pull off a deception/fraud this grand it would require an awful lot of complicit people. Good luck  ensuring  everyone involved stays silent.
No doubt if  the Supreme court reject Donald's evidence, it will be the evidence was there but they chose to ignore it - The Supreme Court was got at.
I suppose that will be easier for his supporters to believe than accepting he lost.

[astfgyl]

Ah he's not, he is just very nostalgic. Should go down a treat with the 90s crowd

I think the election was rigged. I doubt it will ever be proven but I think it was. It will be the 9/11 of the 2020s.

The Four Seasons Total Landscaping was a decent laugh though.

Pennsylvania is going to court tomorrow and I have a feeling Trumps team have even more evidence than they are letting on. I don't think this is over yet. The supreme court overturned the election result in 2000 and gave it to Bush.

Has anyone even tried to make an argument why there is a good faith reason to block GOP poll watchers, or are we just supposed to ignore how highly suspicious that seems?

My feeling on it is that if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck then it's likely to be a duck. The blocking of observers is the first red flag and the 120,000 odd votes that suddenly turned up and not even 5 of them Trump is suspicious as well. How the Biden votes kept turning up long after the time. As I said, it will be the new 9/11. Everyone will know it's dodgy as fuck, the accused will find evidence to refute the claims of wrongdoing from somewhere and yet everyone will still know it's dicey. I hope Trump's camp do have some decent evidence, but my gut tells me it will go nowhere.

The problem with this argument is that to pull off a deception/fraud this grand it would require an awful lot of complicit people. Good luck  ensuring  everyone involved stays silent.
No doubt if  the Supreme court reject Donald's evidence, it will be the evidence was there but they chose to ignore it - The Supreme Court was got at.
I suppose that will be easier for his supporters to believe than accepting he lost.

Tbh that's the stick in the spokes of every grand conspiracy theory. The mechanics of making it happen without it getting out seems an impossible hurdle to clear. Too many actors involved for no one to blow the whistle.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/i-was-asked-to-lie-about-hunter-biden-admits-ukrainian-businessman-853krxgtz?

Now, is this true or fake, or true or false, or true but made up, or false but a changed story...Christ, who knows!

[Pedrito]

Not you now aswell   

[Ollkiller]

Have you seen Donalds grifting to get donations for his fund to help with the lawsuits. In the small print is that up to half the donation to fight the lawsuit will go to paying his campaign debts. Which is probably the real reason for the fund. Grifters gotta grift.

[Nazgûl]

The shameless fucker 

Caomhaoin have ya thrown in your donation yet?

[Kurt Cocaine]

He'll have a monthly standing order like meself.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Even Borat hates Facepoop, Twatter, et al....

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/sacha-baron-cohen-facebook-zuckerberg-b1719720.html

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Fox News hops on the "cutting away from BS from the White House" train:
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1325918849364094987

[pete]

Yeah strange that they had the conference outside of White House and that Kayleigh made sure to let us know that she was not there as Press Secretary. Maybe they've agreed to stop talking nonsense in the White House briefing rooms? They haven't been against doing campaign related stuff from the White House previously.

Although it was a step up from the landscaping place.