The Donald vs Big Tech

[astfgyl]

Bush says election was "fundamentally fair". Like his own in 2000 presumably. Not a hope am I ever going to be able to believe that Biden got the most votes in history, beating out Trump setting a new record himself. I think the legal actions aren't going anywhere either but there is a reason that Biden is the darling of silicon valley and doesn't get fact checked every time he opens his mouth and also why stories of how bent he is were hidden by media outlets. I know lots of people here align themselves with the democrats but even so, Trump won with the largest vote ever despite a concerted media effort to make sure he didn't. And the charismatic Joe was so convincing with his policies and personality that he got more votes than that again. Yeah right. I don't give a fuck about Trump but I know a scam when I see one and there are an awful lot of media and internet giants behind Biden's win at the very least which should get most people smelling a rat even if the voter fraud doesn't stick.

[Pedrito]

The scam is the silencing and the complete lack of any fair or balanced media/social media coverage of Trump coupled with a free pass for his opponent. Never has a president enetered office under such little scrutiny. Consent or die.

[Nazgûl]

Obama received just under 70m votes when he got in, Hillary Clinton received 65m votes. This time around, with the way things have gone in the world and the political polarization reaching insane levels and the country being on fucking fire, more people in total turned out to cast a vote. Where is the conspiracy in this!?   

[Ollkiller]

Bush says election was "fundamentally fair". Like his own in 2000 presumably. Not a hope am I ever going to be able to believe that Biden got the most votes in history, beating out Trump setting a new record himself. I think the legal actions aren't going anywhere either but there is a reason that Biden is the darling of silicon valley and doesn't get fact checked every time he opens his mouth and also why stories of how bent he is were hidden by media outlets. I know lots of people here align themselves with the democrats but even so, Trump won with the largest vote ever despite a concerted media effort to make sure he didn't. And the charismatic Joe was so convincing with his policies and personality that he got more votes than that again. Yeah right. I don't give a fuck about Trump but I know a scam when I see one and there are an awful lot of media and internet giants behind Biden's win at the very least which should get most people smelling a rat even if the voter fraud doesn't stick.

Nazgul just explained it there. It's not a conspiracy in any way. Biden got more votes and there was no large scale fraud. Deal with it.

[astfgyl]

Even look at the media coverage over here. RTE running stories of how good Biden will be for Ireland. He will in his hole. How many Biden stories have you seen fact checked? Nobody even bothered to run the laptop story. The media is now a one way street ramming the narrative down our throats. It's an awful pity Trump didn't take on the social media giants at the beginning of his term rather than during the election cycle. I have heard a few people saying the last few days how they are glad to see Trump gone and when I asked them what it was he did that was so bad, they didn't even know why they wanted him gone. Shows the influence of the media if people can feel that strongly about the US presidency and not know why.

Obama received just under 70m votes when he got in, Hillary Clinton received 65m votes. This time around, with the way things have gone in the world and the political polarization reaching insane levels and the country being on fucking fire, more people in total turned out to cast a vote. Where is the conspiracy in this!? 

As I said, I don't think any of the fraud suits will stick in the least, but my gut tells me that it is as dicey as fuck. I also know that Trump had been sowing that seed coming up to the election and I'm keeping that in mind as I go but as Pedrito put it, the media/social media bias has been so strong on this one that it just doesn't sit right. Biden will be in the white house no question, but whose interests are being served won't become apparent for a while. The whole campaign gives me the creeps big time. It's also who actually won. A half decent candidate usurps Trump and it's no surprise, but this creature?

I initially started thinking about it a while back when I was saying Trump was a lunatic, and was asked why I said that (in this thread, I think) and I didn't have much of an answer beyond media hype. I then wondered why I had never heard a single good thing about him in the media here even though one would think they would be impartial, given this isn't the USA. He started no wars, boosted the economy and gave endless entertainment so why the hatred in the media over here? Shit like that gets me questioning although I concede I won't ever get the answer. I'm not a Trump supporter by the way, I just don't like the look of this and it smells fishy.

Ollkiller, you are only saying deal with it because your media darling won. I guarantee if it went the other way, and Biden was getting censored and fact checked every time he tweeted or opened his mouth the Biden supporters would be wondering about the extreme bias as well.  And I won't have to deal with it because as I said I'm not a Trump supporter, but we will all have to deal with this future where extreme media bias paints the narrative for us all. It isn't going to be fun because the internet is ubiquitous and so it will be almost impossible to avoid, given that we are forced to use it for everything. And yeah the irony of me being here isn't lost on me but at least we are debating.

[Caomhaoin]

Desperation is a stinky cologne

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

He was fact checked throughout all the debates, just as Trump was. I think he just has slightly (and I do mean that) better control over the brain-mouth axis than Trump. He says, again, slightly less strikingly bat-shit mental stuff than Trump, but when he has, even after he was official candidate, like when he said if you're not against Trump you ain't black, he has been raked over it. It was a shitty election, with two shitty candidates, and slightly more people came out to say they were sick of shitty candidate 1 who they've had to listen to for 4 years. End of story. No fairytale ending, no conspiracy, just more western "democracy" bollocks. Nothing new under the sun.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It's satire but, I mean, this is the view on the left:
https://politics.theonion.com/jubilant-reaction-to-trump-defeat-quickly-soured-by-new-1845551327

[astfgyl]

Yeah, Trump stinks of desperation and my cologne is despair. The wife hates it.

He was fact checked throughout all the debates, just as Trump was. I think he just has slightly (and I do mean that) better control over the brain-mouth axis than Trump. He says, again, slightly less strikingly bat-shit mental stuff than Trump, but when he has, even after he was official candidate, like when he said if you're not against Trump you ain't black, he has been raked over it. It was a shitty election, with two shitty candidates, and slightly more people came out to say they were sick of shitty candidate 1 who they've had to listen to for 4 years. End of story. No fairytale ending, no conspiracy, just more western "democracy" bollocks. Nothing new under the sun.

Here is Biden's tweet:

America, I'm honored that you have chosen me to lead our great country.

The work ahead of us will be hard, but I promise you this: I will be a President for all Americans — whether you voted for me or not.

I will keep the faith that you have placed in me.

Here is Trump's tweet from the same day:

I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!

Except his tweet had this disclaimer under it

Official sources may not have called the race when this was Tweeted

Funny no such disclaimer for Biden, even though electoral college votes are not counted until 6th January 2021. No bias there of course. None at all.

Edit: I get the counting of electoral college votes are not the official sources they refer to, but the point still stands

[astfgyl]

It's satire but, I mean, this is the view on the left:
https://politics.theonion.com/jubilant-reaction-to-trump-defeat-quickly-soured-by-new-1845551327

Lol that sums it up pretty well

[Eoin McLove]

It's clear why the media hated Trump. It's because he hates them and was vocal about it. I don't think it's the job of the American president to provide 'entertainment' and I can't say I found Trump's inanities, his utter lack of coherence, his endless shit stirring in any way entertaining- but that's just me. I have issues with elements of the left as I think anyone with a bit of sense should but regardless of that,  the president is the president of everyone in the country, not just his own fervent followers.

I suppose what it boils down to now in the US is whether there are enough people left in the reasonable middle ground to bring both sides back from the edge, which seems to be where they have polarised to. Social media is cancerous, I honestly believe that; I think it's a huge part of the problem but sadly it's not going anywhere. I think there needs to be a period of calming, if that's even possible. It's probably true that Biden is the wrong person for the job with his fairly corpsy charisma so it's probably high time the Dems got their act together and start developing a real candidate.

The same is true for the Republicans. I think that they have really lost a lot of credibility with having such a wildcard running the show for the past four years and they need to reestablish themselves as being... I don't know... sane would be a good start.

I just hope that this isn't a new era of maniacal politics that we are witnessing the birth of and rather a blip on the radar. I mean, yeah yeah politics is riddled with corruption, of course it is, and even someone as charismatic and relatively uniting as Obama was no angel, and I'm not sure that that is something that will change. But at least don't allow America to rip itself apart and potentially leave the door open (further open?) to China or Russia. Do we really want those loopers running the show??

[astfgyl]

Fair point about the entertainment factor. I was more referring to the coverage of him in this country than where it really matters such as the US and the middle east for example. It seems even the likes of Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping get an easier ride than Trump in the media. Even the Israelis get less shit for the shit they do to Palestine. Has Trump been anything as bad as is made out? Not a hope. Not president material as evidenced by his behaviour, but then what is president material, looking good while being bad? I'm a centrist myself so I hope that the masses who do fall in the middle eventually get a voice. Sure maybe Biden will be it. Won't matter a fuck to me being Irish but it would still be good if I was proved wrong and he set a new worldwide standard for fairness and transparency so that others could follow. If he pops the clogs before term then does that Harris get in and is she the type of candidate needed? She seems like she would be bad as well.

[Trev]

At least Trump never had any Irish connection. The amount of fawning going on about auld Joe from people that are vaguely related to him...ugh

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Official sources may not have called the race when this was Tweeted

Funny no such disclaimer for Biden, even though electoral college votes are not counted until 6th January 2021. No bias there of course. None at all.

Edit: I get the counting of electoral college votes are not the official sources they refer to, but the point still stands

Biden waited far longer than was statistically necessary, as did CNN. Fact checked and passed. This was done strategically so as not to add even more fuel to Trump's tantrum fire. Independent sources called it once the trajectories excluded any further flips that could swing it back to Trump. This election, the sensible sources were ultra cautious. There is no comparison. Trump, statistically, had already lost when he tweeted what he did. Fact checked and flagged.

[astfgyl]

Ah come on, you can see as clear as day the bias even if you can knock me back with the argument. The fact check is one of the new propaganda tools and although you do make a believable point with that one, it has been going on for months where Trump is concerned. Same shit with the covid fact checking but that isn't for this thread. It's like facebook banning David Icke and Twitter doing the same. It's not that 95 percent of what he says might be shite, it's the 5 percent truth that they want to ban. Same with Trump. (and the Icke comparison is intentional). The world is full of headline readers and the tactic works wonderfully. There is definitely a large element of Trump setting up the distrust of the media and voting system in advance here as well and I don't disregard that at all but I reckon as I said before that given the media ownership and the ubiquity of the internet we are in for a bad time over the next few years.