The Donald vs Big Tech

[Ducky]

This is it. Pure theatre, I don't think it'll substantially swing things (although Al Gore is said to have suffered with similar reaction to goading from W).

Still though, Trump came off in a very poor light, his tactics were clear, but they did backfire to an extent. Arrogant, dismissive. He behaved like a cock, and his advisors would want to be giving him a new strategy for  round 2.

Since when has Trump ever listened to anyone that wasn't the hamster in his head working the controls?

[Caomhaoin]

It's a decent strategy by the Democrats though, to explicitly cast antifa as merely the moral notion of being anti-fascist, even if it is empirically laughable.

I doubt even Don Lemon would swallow that load of shite in fairness. Antifa is an idea? Come on now lad yer messin'. Daft thing to say, total gaffe.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It wasn't a "gaffe", it was very knowingly stated. I don't think it's a strategy that will work with the majority, but the left are constantly working to normalize use of the label "antifa" to mean only the fact of opposing fascism. Where they succeed, in those minds they persuade, being against antifa will mean opposing anti-fascism. As I said, the wager may well work against them, but it definitely wasn't a "gaffe", strictly speaking. An error of judgement maybe, but on a strategic level, not a heat of the moment fumble.

[open face surgery]

Plus, it's a quote from the director of the FBI who is Trump's employee, by all accounts.

All Biden had to do to look good was not collapse on stage, as Trump had all but declared him dead prior to this farce. A debate with the sole purpose of creating memes.

[Caomhaoin]

Well a gaffe is essentially an error of judgment so we don't really disagree. Most Americans have seen these assholes on the streets, organising, creating havoc etc, dressed in their little gimpy uniforms and waving those oh-so-trendy flags with the German pig Latin slogan. The point being, it's a tad intelligence insulting to tell such an outrageous, outright transparent lie without a leg to stand on with the obvious intent of keeping these wankers onside.

Pointless really, because Marc Dutroux or Jimmy Saville would get their vote ahead of Trump.

[astfgyl]

Fuck man, Jimmy Savile.

The one thing in the world that everyone can agree on. I'd say even the pedos find him distasteful.

[Cailleach]

. Perhaps Biden is a weak candidate in the grand scheme of things but he looked to me like the real deal when contrasted with the flailing clown beside him.

He did not look like the real deal to me at all, it's just that the person he is up against is so crass and inept, all he had to do was stay awake . So in that regard Biden refuted Trump's main line of attack against him prior to the debate. Donald only appealed to his base in this debate,  so in effect, as poor as Joe was, he still came out on top.
I doubt Donald is capable of  swaying  undecided voters in the next two debates. He is just too arrogant and petulant to employ any strategy his advisers might come up with.

[astfgyl]

Trump is such a law unto himself that it is difficult not to enjoy him at times for pure entertainment value and in a way I will miss him when he is gone in 2024

[Cailleach]

Trump is such a law unto himself that it is difficult not to enjoy him at times for pure entertainment value and in a way I will miss him when he is gone in 2024

He might be gone before then.

[astfgyl]

Yeah he might die, it's a risk we all increasingly have to live with as we get older

[Eoin McLove]

. Perhaps Biden is a weak candidate in the grand scheme of things but he looked to me like the real deal when contrasted with the flailing clown beside him.

He did not look like the real deal to me at all, it's just that the person he is up against is so crass and inept, all he had to do was stay awake . So in that regard Biden refuted Trump's main line of attack against him prior to the debate. Donald only appealed to his base in this debate,  so in effect, as poor as Joe was, he still came out on top.
I doubt Donald is capable of  swaying  undecided voters in the next two debates. He is just too arrogant and petulant to employ any strategy his advisers might come up with.

I should clarify my point. He seemed like a politician 

[Cailleach]

Yeah he might die, it's a risk we all increasingly have to live with as we get older

Be a bit more optimistic, with his vast wealth he'll hopefully live beyond 2024. He might not be in the oval office for your amusement until then, though.

[astfgyl]

Ah yeah it's wide open at the minute. I don't even know why I have this sneaking suspicion that he will win out. I had the same feeling last time round even though on the face of it, Hilary seemed a dead certainty to get the job.

[mickO)))]

The debate was a big disappointment Trump let himself down with all the interruptions. He should have just let Biden speak you could see on a few occasions were Biden started to stutter or was about to fuck up but then Trump just interrupted him.

The big question for me is what did they do or give Biden to make him seem somewhat coherent that's the first time since he started running that he didn't get confused when speaking and I don't think a simple ear piece telling him what to say did the  job when he has even been struggling to read from teleprompters in the past.

[Cailleach]

Ah yeah it's wide open at the minute. I don't even know why I have this sneaking suspicion that he will win out. I had the same feeling last time round even though on the face of it, Hilary seemed a dead certainty to get the job.

I think Hilary's mistake was her team took certain states for granted, so ignored them. Also she is intensely disliked by a lot of  people that see her as an elitist, who really did noting for Joe public. Donald could  win, but i suspect he may know the game is up when he is scaremongering about mass postal fraud. 
There is talk of the mics being turned off in the next debate if a candidate keeps interrupting, Donald talking to himself will be funny to watch