This bad boy is finally about to be released. Can't say the trailer does much to convince me it'll be in any way decent.
Anybody planning to watch it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc9G9HsKels
I'll watch it but I'm expecting it to be shite, possibly hilariously so. I never got into the music of the era so I'm not going to take it personally, as others might.
I really dont want to watch it , but im a nosy f*cker so more than likely will then complain of how inaccurate and shite it was.
Reckon alot of the very people who said they will boycott it and want nothing to do with it will watch it.
Varg "Lets find out" vikernes will be one of these very people who will be watching it.
I imagine it must be bizarre to have a film like this made about you. It'd be hard not to watch it.
As much as I'd love it to be a laughably terrible film, I can't help but think it's going to be some Twilight shite. It'll be interesting to see what reviews say
It's likely one or two people here have already seen it as it was screened in Cork back in November as part of a film festival. I know Mark from Soothsayer saw it and wasn't taken by it but he's a big Mayhem fan.
Will 100% watch it. Going on his previous films I expect it'll be a black comedy if anything. The teasers could easily be outtakes from "Spun". It's released online on VOD February 22nd so it'll be all over the streaming sites I'm sure by then - Arrow are releasing it in the Uk. A third teaser popped up on Instagram today which seemed a little darker than these ones though.
Could not give two fucks about how accurate it is, it's a movie, and I just want to be entertained. I did notice there's someone playing Fenriz in it though, which I hadn't seen mentioned before now.
Fun fact: There's a load of Grotesque songs on the soundtrack, which is really odd as they were neither Norwegian nor a Black Metal band arguably.
I've seen it. Dreadful. I went in like Grimes just looking to pass a couple of hours but it doesn't work on any level. A black comedy could've worked but this is just thick. I accepted it was going to be inaccurate but it really felt like it was made by someone having a laugh at the whole thing.
Now I want to see it more. I've a soft spot for terrible rock band movies (the Germs one in particular)
It can never be as bad as the Def Leppard one, so they'll get my money.
I watched the Def Leppard one on telly years ago. It was on in the middle of the night and rightly so. It was a tough decision between watching that or flicking over for two hours of tv infomercials. Utter scutter.
The Def Leppard one is phenomenal,just not in the way perhaps they intended.
Looking forward to the Motley Crue one too
I will watch this no matter how shite it is, love a good terrible film. I always thought the Absurd lads story would make a great Lifetime style movie!
They'll have to apply some artistic licence for the sake of an audience not familiar with the story. It is a dramatisation, after all, not a documentary. The uproar over Bohemian Rhapsody playing with timelines and easing off on the homosexuality has been quite impressive but I expect that will be surpassed by the reactions to the slightest deviations made from the accepted truths here.
I've still not watched Bohemian Rhapsody actually, must rectify that.
Kinda hoping one of these days that we get a Def Leppard/Meatloaf "Movie of the week" style job about either Glenn Danzig or Dave Mustaine.
Suddenly remembered a slightly repressed memory of when I was 19 and briefly studying software development (read: drinking). We had a module called personal development, one of the tests for it was to do a presentation, on anything. Absolutely anything. You just had to present it well. A few lads picked software, most picked their hobbies, I unfortunately had just read Lords of Chaos and some other stuff about the bands, so to my absolute shame and regret I did a presentation on Norwegian Black Metal. And thought at the time it was grand. Fuck me this gets more mortifying the more I think about it
Ha. I did a paper on Norwegian Black Metal for a Sociology class I did as part of my course in WIT years ago. Got marked fairly well for it in fairness.
Nothing cringe in that :)
Quote from: Pentagrimes on January 09, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
I've still not watched Bohemian Rhapsody actually, must rectify that.
Kinda hoping one of these days that we get a Def Leppard/Meatloaf "Movie of the week" style job about either Glenn Danzig or Dave Mustaine.
Thought there was something a couple of years back about Mustaine and his pups doing an Osbournes type show. It was being done to "help" his daughter raise her singing profile. If she sings like her auld lad though it'd take more than a reality TV show.
Back on topic though, I'd like to see this movie but purely from a car crash, morbid curiosity type way. I've always found black metal hilarious in a "what the fuck is wrong with yiz!?" kind of way so the more ridiculous it looks, the more appeal it holds.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on January 11, 2019, 03:10:38 PM
Ha. I did a paper on Norwegian Black Metal for a Sociology class I did as part of my course in WIT years ago. Got marked fairly well for it in fairness.
At least I wasn't the only one so. Yours was definitely a more relevant course though!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 11, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
Nothing cringe in that :)
Most of the cringe comes from how out of place it was, everyone else was talking about Java or doing up their cars and the like, then suddenly a few stabbings and how to know if your riffs are grim sounding.
OK, so this is obviously a black comedy (no pun intended). I'm looking forward to seeing it and have no issue whatsoever with an irreverent take on the subject. I can clearly remember reading about this as a young fella (Kerrang I think) and being in awe of the whole episode, but now, with hindsight, it's apparent that these were a bunch of socially inept teenagers with delusions of grandeur. So a ridiculous story to begin with really.
Yeah I get that. These guys were so up their own holes it was comical but get the vibe right. Some of the stuff in this borders on slapstick.
Not sure I'll bother with this but Deathgasm is worth a watch, mixture of comedy, zombies, demons and metal.
https://youtu.be/VfpwlWzOmNk
Quote from: ochoill on January 11, 2019, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: Pentagrimes on January 11, 2019, 03:10:38 PM
Ha. I did a paper on Norwegian Black Metal for a Sociology class I did as part of my course in WIT years ago. Got marked fairly well for it in fairness.
At least I wasn't the only one so. Yours was definitely a more relevant course though!
I was doing Legal Studies at the time so..
Black metal became a laughing stock because people finally stopped being horrified by it. When it was at it's most obscure, however, and being reported about in metal mags, it was proper sinister. The shit used give me nightmares. All that stuff about Dod killing himself and Varg and all the talk coming out of Norway, it was heavy as fuck at the time. I think we forget that. Just my tuppence worth, but it felt very real. What represents it nowadays, from my outsider perspective, is a kind of pale imitation of that. Big party, beer, festivals, lads roaring about satan, but it's all become very safe and brought into the mainstream, in a similar way to rap music. The original stuff was bonkers, nihilistic, suicidal, madness from my teenage vantage point though, and I was only really into it in a peripheral, JK on the radio, Kerrang magazine sense. Not saying that great art cannot still come from the genre, but the roots of it all were wild out, hard to follow as such.
The movie should be interesting..
This newest teaser trailer seems to indicate Mr Culkin has gone to the Bill & Ted school of acting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-z1CmuItx0
Obviously the awfulness of this is just making me want to see this more now lads. It's either going to be an over the top accidental masterpiece ala the aforementioned awful Germs movie, or it's actually a clever commentary on the fact that black metal is indeed absolutely dumb as fuck. Either way, I'm sold.
Also can I point out real quick that in my limited understanding of the cvlter than thou mindset, there's no fucking way euronymous would have had a "Vanity/Nemesis" poster on his wall surely?
It's a very underestimated album.
Oh I like it, but Surely these lads would have thought it was for posers and that poster on his wall should be a "Morbid Tales" one?
FULL TRAILER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7zrHiqoJ6k
It looks like they added 40 gallons of Dawson's Creek in there. I cannot fucking wait to see it :laugh:
Jesus that looks cat :laugh:
Ha will definitely watch that!
That trailer has definitely piqued my interest, it actually looks quite good.
Made by people who don't understand Metal for people who don't understand Metal..
The trailer actually made me want to see it more, it looks so shit and retarded that it could be hilarious, intentionally or not. I'll be checking it out for sure.
Quote from: vavonia on January 22, 2019, 10:13:13 PM
Made by people who don't understand Metal for people who don't understand Metal..
Yes, I imagine most of the audience for this film won't be either Joey DeMaio or on the autism scale, so you're probably correct. And I can't for one second believe a former Bathory member would have
any understanding whatsoever of metal, least of all how over the top it is.
Just noticed this has popped up on the IFCO website as having recieved an 18 cert and a release date in Ireland of March 29th which suggests it will perhaps be on big screens here? Though I imagine in a limited manner.
"Yes, I imagine most of the audience for this film won't be either Joey DeMaio or on the autism scale, so you're probably correct. And I can't for one second believe a former Bathory member would have any understanding whatsoever of metal, least of all how over the top it is."
By people who don't understand Metal for people who don't understand Metal.......
Let's be fair, it's quite likely all of these lads were rather obnoxious teenagers taking themselves too seriously and acting the bollox and, if that comes across on the screen, it is a more accurate reflection of events than sage-like youths deliberately pontificating their way to an artistic revolution.
Quote from: Juggz on January 23, 2019, 08:49:05 AM
Let's be fair, it's quite likely all of these lads were rather obnoxious teenagers taking themselves too seriously and acting the bollox and, if that comes across on the screen, it is a more accurate reflection of events than sage-like youths deliberately pontificating their way to an artistic revolution.
This, for sure, that's what I was getting at in an admittedly fairly mean spirited way above. We're really never going to know what these people were really like privately anyway beyond books or zine interviews or documentaries anyway. I get that people are very attached to the subject matter and that but it's been hilarious watching a particular type of black metal internet warriors elsewhere who would have either been toddlers or not even concieved at the time of these events complaining about how this movie is inaccurate in some way. Very different if you're one of the people portrayed in it though. I guess how easy it is to enjoy is based on how seriously you take black metal really.
Looking at reviews over the last while it's mad that the film I keep seeing used as a reference/comparison for this is "Trainspotting".
I wonder if we're gonna get a sequel? "Absurd: the Movie" maybe? I'd quite happily sit through a Jonas Akerlund directedQuorthon movie as well actually. Or a reboot of Spinal Tap with Nifelheim as the main protagonists. Or a "Withnail and I" type comedy romp based on the stories of teenage drinking and partying in the Swedish Death Metal book
Well, yes and no. I totally get the idea that they could very likely have been a bunch of obnoxious youths who were just acting up and looking for attention. Certainly history has a way of making it all seem very mature, creating a mystical aura around it all. What cannot be denied, however, are the serious church burnings and murders, that things got very sinister indeed and far more life and death than anyone could have imagined.
If we look back at most revolutions or wars, we will probably find at their core, quite young and highly idealistic men. Alexander the Great was conquering countries when he was barely a man. The punks were the same..whether by choice or by coincidence, the likes of the Sex Pistols had a huge influence on their generation and subsequent generations. Varg, has proven himself over the years to be a mad mofo, not your run of the mill human being by any stretch. So it wasn´t just a bunch of goths hanging around the central bank and drinking in Fibbers after, it was far more life and death and extreme. The whole truth we will never know but the Dawsons Creek vibe to the trailer seems a little bit too Americanised and out of place.
Sure, but it's a dramatisation which needs to cater to an audience who haven't a fucking clue who any of the kids are, nor where they end up and it'll condense the events of a few years into 2 hours. In order to make a cohesive narrative, they'll massage timelines and events in order to get the story across clearly. They have to. I'm sure there have been enough movies made which include murder and destruction where they didn't explore the depth and individual nuances of a misunderstood white-trash dickhead, but that's the way it goes and we generally let it slide because it's just a movie made to entertain. Getting precious over this is missing the point.
I, for one, am looking forward to that lingering shot of Varg's troubled face as Euronymous walks away where you suddenly realise "He's a bad 'un!"
And let's not lose sight of the fact that your average cinema goer who, when confronted with teenagers acting like cunts, wearing panda make-up and giving themselves names like "Count Grishnackh", will think these lads are fucking spas - just like if you saw a film with some langer from Cork in a tracksuit with the socks pulled up insisting on being called MC Beatz or whatever. No matter how serious it gets, if the protagonists aren't emotionally engaging in some way, the film won't work. No matter how serious it got, they have to make a group of cretins engaging or the movie doesn't work. So forgive them some artistic licence for the sake of it getting made and released.
We all know is that they where just kids when all the sh1t went down, im Just half way through Blood Fire Death book, i knew alot of this little scene but one thing that really struck me was just how massively immature they all where.
For example Varg used to visit Sweden and meet up with IT form abruptum who had set up "The True Satanist Horde" so Jon (dissection) , IT and Varg along with other kids would sit around and just fight who was more "Evil" and say crazy things they would do .One in particular went over to some elderly couple and asked for directions then stabbed him in the throat.
Varg then did all what he did to prove just how evil he really was in my option. Obviously a narcissistic kid, and he still is judging by his youtube channel.
So this film might be rubbish, cringe but the actual factual story seems just as comical. (obviously the Kvlt fans cant see any of this)
Ill deffo be watching it anyways.
Quote from: Pedrito on January 23, 2019, 10:02:01 AM
If we look back at most revolutions or wars, we will probably find at their core, quite young and highly idealistic men. Alexander the Great was conquering countries when he was barely a man. The punks were the same..whether by choice or by coincidence, the likes of the Sex Pistols had a huge influence on their generation and subsequent generations.
Fairly big leap there between a king and a band we know now were partially manufactured to help sell clothes.
On a more trivial note I do wonder did Oliver Stone and Farreller have historians ripping into them on history forums about the accuracy of "Alexander"? Or does Gary Oldman & Alex Cox get flak still about Sid and Nancy?
I believe Oldman did get some grief for a scene in that recent Churchill movie which never happened in reality :laugh:
I should probably watch this movie seeing as I would primarily listen to black metal over all other kinds of music but have the last couple of years been questioning myself over the wisdom and merit of the whole thing. To enjoy and 'get' black metal you have to turn a blind eye to a fair amount of the cringey stuff and look at it as a sort of time and place kind of thing. That said I often wonder now if the majority of what I listen to actually qualifies as a guilty pleasure?!!!
When I was a teenager I would've been much more into the mystique around the Norwegian scene that they built for themselves, then getting older you realise they were just a bunch of scummy kids acting like complete cunts
I've given up on the whole having to "get" black metal thing and just enjoy the music without thinking about the whole kvlt bollocks around some of it
Whatever about Alexander, Oliver Stone definitely got flak about the inventions he threw into the movie The Doors. Don't think any of the surviving members were happy with it.
Looks like an interesting take on the scene, reducing them to undisciplined teenagers. As Montaigne once said, "Even on the highest throne in the world, one still sits on one's arse." However, it does look like the "highest throne" aspect will be utterly binned, in the sense that the undeniable genius of the music they were crafting while all this was going on will not be set front and centre, which is something both Bohemian Rhapsody and The Doors at the very least had going for them.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2019, 03:15:51 PM
the undeniable genius of the music they were crafting while all this was going on will not be set front and centre, which is something both Bohemian Rhapsody and The Doors at the very least had going for them.
^This is my only concern about this movie. Admittedly the whole drama is what drew most of us in initially but pretty sure that we stuck around for the actual music.
That's a good way to look at it and really gets to the point I was making about the Sex Pistols. A bunch of young and idealistic lads, with a deep resentment for authority and society at the time, who basically created a whole artistic and societal movement, that had massive social consequences that can still be felt today. Black metal is not that, but it can't be only boiled down to a bunch of dickheads who just stumbled into notoriety. Some of the monumental albums, the genius aspect to them, the desire to manifest whatever the fuck was going on in their twisted little minds, the carrying out of awful acts of violence, arson, murder etc. It's not run of the mill stuff, and they are not run of the mill people. What would be interesting would be if they could get to some underlying reason as to why a number of teenagers would go so far and lose touch so much with any sense of normality, morals, regard for life etc.
I completely agree. I have no shame in loving black metal however ludicrous it may appear to other people. The acts of violence can be taken in context of the fact that they were enacted by teenagers who may have lacked maturity or wisdom, but you can't disentangle the music of the time from those acts. The phenomenon wouldn't still be living on today if the music wasn't powerful enough to carry it. I am interested in the film but have low expectations after the trailers I've seen. I think that, as a music fan, thee is a lot to explore in the topic and it would be cool too see a slightly more reverential take on it that wouldn't necessarily have to glorify the murders etc.
But the catch22 is that without the crimes,youd have no film. The movie isnt about music or cultural significance,its a true crime film
A true crime film about undisciplined and broody teenagers rather than a true crime film about mystifyingly talented and visionary teenaged musicians (who were also undisciplined and up their own holes).
Indeed, the crimes are what make it a film and of interest to non- fans. I am curious to see how or if they approach the music in terms of its significance, but I'm expecting that end of things to be widely ignored.
Yer man Jonas, in an interview, copped out with some kind of thing like "black metal is difficult to listen to", as to why he didn't include more (still remains to be seen how much relevant music is actually in it). It's billed as a horror-thriller, so excluding something from the soundtrack because it may be perceived as unpleasant by many seems ludicrous. Most likely it's going to fall in with many other films that flopped because they didn't have a firm enough vision of what they were trying to be, like Sister Act 2 for example.
In fairness, it could never recaptured the magic of the debut.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2019, 05:45:59 PM
Yer man Jonas, in an interview, copped out with some kind of thing like "black metal is difficult to listen to", as to why he didn't include more (still remains to be seen how much relevant music is actually in it). It's billed as a horror-thriller, so excluding something from the soundtrack because it may be perceived as unpleasant by many seems ludicrous. Most likely it's going to fall in with many other films that flopped because they didn't have a firm enough vision of what they were trying to be, like Sister Act 2 for example.
The soundtrack contains Mayhem,Bathory, Venom, Sodom, Celtic Frost, Grotesque, Carcass, Holy Terror and Sarcofago among others (along with stuff like Wardruna, Dead Can Dance and yes, don't worry, "Take On Me" by Aha also) so I think we all know he's talking absolute shite. I'd guess guess Mayhem was secured for a financial consideration, but he either couldn't or wouldn't deal with Vikernes' representatives for the Burzum music. Again this suggests music is clearly incidental rather than key otherwise he'd not have been able to go ahead without some kind of Burzum tuneage on there. I think the snippets of Mayhem songs are actually played by the actors as well, saw an interview somewhere discussing them having music coaches teach them how to play.
Myrkur is used too which I'm sure will be an even bigger sting for some.
It'll be interesting to see if and how, given the film will I suspect to some degree bring these incidents back in the press for a blip what with the general relase, certain parties may or may not attempt to capitalise on the renewed public (ie: non black metal fan) interest.
I recall watching one of those Varg vids where he's sitting talking shite in his van where he says he was contacted by the makers of the movie about using Burzum music and he rather predictably told them to fuck off. Darkthrone and Mayhem too I thought but apparently Mayhems music is in it. Of those bands listed on the soundtrack in the above post there is a glaring lack of 90s Norwegian contemporaries- no enslaved, gorgoroth, emperor etc which you would imagine they would want to use to add atmosphere and authenticity to the film. Clearly the unruly teenagers are still belligerent in their ould age 😁
Mayhem seem to have done a u-turn on it. Attila and Hellhammer have been pictured on set.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on January 23, 2019, 11:10:45 PM
Mayhem seem to have done a u-turn on it. Attila and Hellhammer have been pictured on set.
shocking stuff altogether
check this one instead, hilarious shit:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7220754/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Mayhem sold out long ago lads. Episodes with celebrity excorsists, regular tours, De Mysteris "full album" shows, their involvement in this movie.... Euronymous is spinning in his grave.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on January 29, 2019, 06:13:44 AM
Mayhem sold out long ago lads. Episodes with celebrity excorsists, regular tours, De Mysteris "full album" shows, their involvement in this movie.... Euronymous is spinning in his grave.
Sold out? You mean making money to feed & educate their kids, pay mortgages, buy food, etc.
That kind of sold out yeah?
You'll see McLove making the same moves now that he's gotten married. Mark my words!
If Euronymous spins does dust come out of the holes due to centrifugal force?
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 29, 2019, 08:45:02 AM
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on January 29, 2019, 06:13:44 AM
Mayhem sold out long ago lads. Episodes with celebrity excorsists, regular tours, De Mysteris "full album" shows, their involvement in this movie.... Euronymous is spinning in his grave.
Sold out? You mean making money to feed & educate their kids, pay mortgages, buy food, etc.
That kind of sold out yeah?
You'll see McLove making the same moves now that he's gotten married. Mark my words!
It's purely coincidence. I've "matured"!
I don't for one second believe Euronymous would have any problem cashing in if he were still alive
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on January 29, 2019, 08:45:02 AM
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on January 29, 2019, 06:13:44 AM
Mayhem sold out long ago lads. Episodes with celebrity excorsists, regular tours, De Mysteris "full album" shows, their involvement in this movie.... Euronymous is spinning in his grave.
Sold out? You mean making money to feed & educate their kids, pay mortgages, buy food, etc.
That kind of sold out yeah?
You'll see McLove making the same moves now that he's gotten married. Mark my words!
Cut yer hair, get a job ye lazy bollixes
Kids mortgages and food, the core principles of Black Metal.
Quote from: Cryptic Stench on January 29, 2019, 05:27:25 PM
Kids mortgages and food, the core principles of Black Metal.
Corpse paint ain't cheap. Trve cvlt rvlez
They probably all use vegan friendly corpse paint these days anyway!
The best paint is made from vegan-friendly corpses.
Quote from: Weltenfeind on January 09, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
I will watch this no matter how shite it is, love a good terrible film. I always thought the Absurd lads story would make a great Lifetime style movie!
Going by the trailer it doesn't even look like a good terrible film. It just looks like it was made by shower of clueless Yanks who completely missed the point and made it like some whiny bitchy teen drama bullshit. Your time is too precious to waste on it on all accounts.
Vargs thoughts on the film (Macaulay Culkin's brother is playing Euronymous :laugh: )
https://youtu.be/MtkHUJ0gRM0
Except it was made by a guy who drummed on a Bathory album. There is every chance it actually was some whiny, bitchy, teen drama which got out of hand.
Varg has really got the youtuber patois down to a tee, his carry-on is utterly cringeworthy. He has clearly spent a bit too much time watching some whiny, bitchy teenagers.
Quote from: Juggz on February 04, 2019, 06:40:42 AM
Except it was made by a guy who drummed on a Bathory album.
I think a little too much is being made out of Akerlund s Bathory credentials. He played on the Scandinavian Metal Attack comp which Bathory contributed 2 songs. Essentially a session musicians who played what Quorthon told him to. Absolutely not trying to dismiss him completely but just trying to put his contribution in some sort of context.
But far from being some American movie randomer who happened upon an exciting script. He's likely to have some insight, wouldn't you think?
Sure, better than Senior Spielbergo, but what kind of insight about Norwegian BM can you expect from a Swedish session musician whos contribution was a decade previous and with a band who was influential but not directly involved? Just sayin..
You say session musician as if he were some pipe-smoking oul fella who came in to read music off carefully written charts :laugh:
You really don't think he would have have some kind of knowledge or interest of BM in that era?
Well hes said himself he has no particular liking of BM so.. anyway being briefly in an influential band doesn't give insight into the actions of teenagers ten years later in a different country. Anyway my point was just that i think too much weight is put into his involvement as it just seems like good marketing tool for lending legitimacy to the film.
And, in a similar vein, much effort is going into dismissing the credentials of someone who was part of a similar scene as a teenager (he would have been around 17 or 18 years old when he was in Bathory, don't forget -"session musician" :laugh: ) and could offer a better insight than most into the mentality of those participants ;)
Not dismissing just questioning 8)
Is he the guy who directed a Madonna music video? I remember Quorthon talking about it in Terrorizer years ago, also how he had no time for BM and much preferred Madonna himself.
If I remember correctly, Jonas Akerlund directed the video for Candlemass 'Bewitched' which features none other than Per Ohlin (Dead) as one of the headbanging zombie metaller types.
Quote from: Juggz on February 04, 2019, 06:40:42 AM
Except it was made by a guy who drummed on a Bathory album. There is every chance it actually was some whiny, bitchy, teen drama which got out of hand.
Varg has really got the youtuber patois down to a tee, his carry-on is utterly cringeworthy. He has clearly spent a bit too much time watching some whiny, bitchy teenagers.
Having a slight passing involvement doesn't make you well versed to make film. I remember reading in a few places the book isn't a sound source for facts on what happened, it's more sensational, like Steve Wozniak said about the Steve Jobs film, "It's a good story".
Whatever your opinion on Varg, he is one of the people in the film and so he would be having an opinion, and he's not happy he's being played by someone with a Jewish name.
Realistically unless one of the Norwegian lads is actually a documentary filmmaker, there is no-one suitably versed to make a film in fairness. The book had an agenda, the film no doubt has an agenda. To be fair the amount of free publicity he's getting via forums probably has him delighted.
Anyway, it's out in just over 2 weeks.
Quote from: livingabortion on February 05, 2019, 09:21:30 AM
Having a slight passing involvement doesn't make you well versed to make film. I remember reading in a few places the book isn't a sound source for facts on what happened, it's more sensational, like Steve Wozniak said about the Steve Jobs film, "It's a good story".
Whatever your opinion on Varg, he is one of the people in the film and so he would be having an opinion, and he's not happy he's being played by someone with a Jewish name.
He's also unhappy with their weight, it would appear.
In fairness you'd understand that - he was a scrawny fucker and the lad in the film has clearly had a few pies. It's not unlikely this might be to wind Varg up.
Read something mental this morning - apparently after a screening in London there was a Q&A with the actors where Culkin revealed all of the cast were shocked that at screenings people in the audience were laughing as they played the film absolutely straight and in spite of there being jokes they don't consider it a comedy.
Make of that what you will.
I think we need to try to see it in the same light as someone uninitiated with the genre. The absurdness of much of what we are accustomed to must be hilarious to encounter for the first time, especially the aesthetics and posturing.
Absolutely, yeah. hard as that will be to do. I wonder if part of the reason people are so uppity about this is because it portrays black metallers as deluded twats as opposed to the elitist types they like to think they are? ;D
:laugh:
I think the straighter it is played, the funnier it will be. A kid breathing the fumes of a rotting bird in a bag? Apply that to some grime lad in the UK and you get comedy gold!
Heap of new clips from this popping up on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeKsxc5tyclY-foOCKiIOlg
How anyone felt that these characters and black metal as a genre and cultural movement would receive a fair hearing in this Netflix/Amazon Studios era is beyond the beyond; fundamentally, it's completely at odds with contemporary narratives.
The debate regarding whether or not Varg et al deserve such a hearing is another argument, really.
Until the Light Takes Us seemed like a genuine effort to understand black metal and its practitioners, but stumbled at several hurdles.
It would be great to see a genuinely invested and interested docu-drama/film examining how and why these obviously talented young people created a form of music wholly antagonistic toward their comfortable, socialistic utopian communities and backgrounds - "the exhaustion of easy life".
On top of this, as much as many of the old guard have cashed-in by now, the genre continues to influence some truly underground acts and movements, from the extreme left to the extreme right. All of this is far more interesting than yet another cheap laugh at metallers.
Despite all, must see this when released.
I can't help but feel some people are taking it far too seriously. To play devil's advocate - would anyone expect a dramatisation of Black Sabbath or Venom's formative years to be some deep, chin-stroking exploration of how some young geniuses revolutionised music, took it to the extremes of the time and continue to influence today, or would it be a cringeworthy tale of some naive young dopes who stumble upon something new and exciting and somehow make a success of it and still influence music today?
Quote from: Juggz on February 13, 2019, 03:01:16 PM
I can't help but feel some people are taking it far too seriously. To play devil's advocate - would anyone expect a dramatisation of Black Sabbath or Venom's formative years to be some deep, chin-stroking exploration of how some young geniuses revolutionised music, took it to the extremes of the time and continue to influence today, or would it be a cringeworthy tale of some naive young dopes who stumble upon something new and exciting and somehow make a success of it and still influence music today?
The subject matter doesn't determine whether a film will be good or bad, if that's what you're trying to get at. Also, Sabbath and Venom were just making music for fun, for distraction, according to themselves. A better question is maybe, how come 'What's Love Got To Do With It?' isn't a cringeworthy tale of some naïve young dope who got herself in with a bad crew but danced funny and had kooky style so let's just have a laugh at that in our film. Ah yes, it's because there actually was stuff happening in Tina Turner's story that is worthy of pause and reflection and serious treatment. Sabbath and Venom were in it for the rock 'n roll only, there's not much chin-stroking to be done in their stories, and we know this from the interviews with them. The lads took themselves seriously, took the themes of their music incredibly seriously, and they did some seriously fucked up stuff. The tone of the movie is clearly off-target for dealing with that properly.
Quote from: Juggz on February 13, 2019, 03:01:16 PM
I can't help but feel some people are taking it far too seriously.
This could actually pass as a press blurb for the poster, and the genre itself.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 13, 2019, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: Juggz on February 13, 2019, 03:01:16 PM
I can't help but feel some people are taking it far too seriously. To play devil's advocate - would anyone expect a dramatisation of Black Sabbath or Venom's formative years to be some deep, chin-stroking exploration of how some young geniuses revolutionised music, took it to the extremes of the time and continue to influence today, or would it be a cringeworthy tale of some naive young dopes who stumble upon something new and exciting and somehow make a success of it and still influence music today?
The subject matter doesn't determine whether a film will be good or bad, if that's what you're trying to get at. Also, Sabbath and Venom were just making music for fun, for distraction, according to themselves. A better question is maybe, how come 'What's Love Got To Do With It?' isn't a cringeworthy tale of some naïve young dope who got herself in with a bad crew but danced funny and had kooky style so let's just have a laugh at that in our film. Ah yes, it's because there actually was stuff happening in Tina Turner's story that is worthy of pause and reflection and serious treatment. Sabbath and Venom were in it for the rock 'n roll only, there's not much chin-stroking to be done in their stories, and we know this from the interviews with them. The lads took themselves seriously, took the themes of their music incredibly seriously, and they did some seriously fucked up stuff. The tone of the movie is clearly off-target for dealing with that properly.
No, not really what I'm getting at. There has been nothing to suggest that the music is a major part of this movie. Is it here to
give black metal a fair hearing? No, I'd say that's highly unlikely. It looks like it's a drama about some kids, some of who go on to do very bad things. As such, it should be expected that many of the same liberties are taken about subject matters in other films we're not so precious about and let slide. It's a big story squashed into 90-odd minutes for the purposes of entertainment. Enjoy/dislike the film for what it is, not what the overbearing expectations of it seem to be.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 13, 2019, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: Juggz on February 13, 2019, 03:01:16 PM
I can't help but feel some people are taking it far too seriously.
This could actually pass as a press blurb for the poster, and the genre itself.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I couldn't care less whether they stick to what "actually" happened or not. But I guess I do care that there was material to inspire a great film there, but this by all appearances is a shit film. I suppose it all boils down to what is being taken seriously.
How seriously they took themselves has no bearing on how seriously everyone else should take them. I agree, there's a great story in there but there is also a lot which is ridiculous to all but devotees.
Quote from: Juggz on February 13, 2019, 04:43:08 PM
How seriously they took themselves has no bearing on how seriously everyone else should take them.
No, but the connection between how seriously they took themselves and the serious (as in, grave) things they did would have been worthy of a great film. Ah sure, we'll see. Maybe it'll turn out to be incredible and I'll have stabbed egg all over my face.
Excruciating interviewer, three minutes before the lad gets a word in :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxL1BLezYk0
Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 13, 2019, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: Juggz on February 13, 2019, 03:01:16 PM
I can't help but feel some people are taking it far too seriously.
This could actually pass as a press blurb for the poster, and the genre itself.
I don't know why you continuously feel the need to take digs at black metal as a genre. It's an incredibly broad church and encompasses everything from juvenile fantasy 'evil' to spiritualism and philosophy and a lot more in between. Thematically it's the home of much of the most interesting ideas in metal as a whole where other genres are largely wedded to escapism.
And no I'm not taking it too seriously myself. Much of the BM I like in the same way as I like Bon Jovi. 8)
Because quite simply even though I find a lot of it, moreso than any other metal subgenre, utterly pretentious in a way that grinds my fucking gears. I find a lot of it just plain silly. I was just as in awe of all these people when I was 15 or 16 and a naive impressionable idiot but I'm 42 now and at this point in my life I can't take grown men genuinely talking about being "evil" to be anything other than theatre. I can pinpoint the exact moment I started to find it utterly ridiculous for you if you like, and that moment was reading "The Sinister Flame" zine.
I could apply the same logic to Power Electronics or hardcore punk if you like? Hell I could apply it to plenty of the newer wave of Death Metal at this point too. All equally up their own arse.
Also c'mon, it's total escapism.
Actually yknow what? Much as I like a lot of metal overall, I really have started to find a lot of the non-musical aspects of it utterly grating over the last year or two generally. So if you want to pick at it,I find it all a bit daft, not just black metal.
And I'm also fairly sure it's War Metal I've been taking the most explicit digs at on here anyway. Which I regard as a seperate thing.
I have a lot of the same problems as pentagrimes with the whole image of metal. So I don't see how a film could be reverent to what is essentially a few troubled young lads who were handy with a guitar. Their problems went a lot deeper than music and how anybody over the age of around 15 could take it seriously is beyond me. The real thing to do would have been to make a full on comedy out of it and really provoke all involved as much as they were at pains to provoke anyone and anything back in the day.
I actually like a bit of BM as well but i had to come to terms with how preposterous metal in general is a few years ago. To me, it is like say an actor playing a character on stage. Everybody accepts that they are not going to be the same person off stage and that is fine.
I will probably watch the movie at some point but i wouldn't go out of my way for it
Have you forgotten the part about the actual murders and arson? That didn't happen on stage. That is why there was an angle for a genuinely dark exploration of the human psyche in this story, which could absolutely have also embraced the juvenile aspect of it all.
Could all the wimps crying about metal being ludicrous and embarrassing please leave the hall. It's fucking pathetic.
Anyone who claims to like black metal but finds the imagery embarrassing should be made to have a sword fight with Rob Darken. Hung, drawn and drowned in a sauna.
I don't think that the imagery is embarrassing in itself, just that people who take it in any way seriously should be embarrassed.
this thread is brilliant. grown men giving out about a bloody movie :laugh:
That makes no sense whatsoever. To the gallows.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2019, 11:18:15 AM
I don't think that the imagery is embarrassing in itself, just that people who take it in any way seriously should be embarrassed.
100%
We're going to need a bigger gallows.
It'll be like the end of Hang 'Em High by the time this thread runs its' course
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 14, 2019, 10:54:43 AM
Could all the wimps crying about metal being ludicrous and embarrassing please leave the hall. It's fucking pathetic.
Anyone who claims to like black metal but finds the imagery embarrassing should be made to have a sword fight with Rob Darken. Hung, drawn and drowned in a sauna.
Rob Darken? Sauna? Fuck that. Dance off round 3.
Aaaaaaanyway, yer man asked a question, I answered, just my opinion is all, couldn't care either way if people take it seriously or not at the end of the day or understand why my take on it puts anyone else out. I'm more of a Cthulu n' graveyards imagery kinda guy than a Satanic Philosopher. Tis all good.
I just REALLY wanna see how they portray Fenriz in this anyway.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 14, 2019, 10:54:43 AM
Could all the wimps crying about metal being ludicrous and embarrassing please leave the hall. It's fucking pathetic.
Anyone who claims to like black metal but finds the imagery embarrassing should be made to have a sword fight with Rob Darken. Hung, drawn and drowned in a sauna.
Agreed..I used to go on like that before, attacking black metal for taking itself too seriously, but with the passage of time, and seeing how everything in life seems to be reduced to these kind of arguments, I find I´m pushing back against that way of thinking. We haven´t seen a movement like it in art previous or since. It deserves to be looked at properly, not in some shit, boiled down, Hollywood way, and the musical context and wider social implications etc etc are all as worthy of a sociological/philosophical/anthropological/whatever investigation as any other artistic, musical or social movement.
On the point about metal in general being ridiculous and pathetic yadda yadda, well, again, we could literally take any art form, any fashion, any means of expression and reduce it down to those types of black and white, and frankly one dimensional, arguments. The genre sprang out of different environmental factors, a huge generational reaction against religion and conservative family values amongst countless other reasons. Again, I was never too into the occult/satanic side of metal, but it exists for a reason, and a very good reason at that.
Finally, the whole cult aspect of metal and people taking themselves too seriously, is repeated across all cultures, across all genres of every type of endeavour that mankind puts his mind to. I know Irish guys who dont sleep after Arsenal or Utd lose. Its what people do. I find it pathetic, but I just ignore it, don´t waste time with it. Lads are precious about their black metal, I dont see what is gained from constantly telling them that theyre wrong. The argument was repeated for nearly 20 years on the old MI and it's not going to change.
Can't believe I'm sticking up for Black Metal..jesus, I have a job to do :laugh:
Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 14, 2019, 11:29:22 AM
I just REALLY wanna see how they portray Fenriz in this anyway.
Varg mentioned Fenriz just sat about drinking beer and didnt really give a shit about what was going on, if true which my guess it is, then will be very interesting to see how they will portray him.
So for any Dublin heads who actually want to see the film in a cinema:
https://lighthousecinema.ie//showing/showing-46357
Don't know if this is just a one off screening or what as there are none others listed as yet. Just my luck I won't be here for it.
16 Min Vid From The film Euronymous Death Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6p4NJBsSZE
Is this video recorded on a phone in a cinema? wtf...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 15, 2019, 09:33:36 AM
Is this video recorded on a phone in a cinema? wtf...
No the whole film is recorded like this to keep that lo-fi BM aesthetic
So much I don't understand about what's happening here. The haircut? The milkshake? What?
This definitely leans towards the "so bad it's good" premonition.
Seems as though Akerlund misconstrued Autopsy procedure for a change of heart on Euronymous's part. Artistic licence and all that.
This film is pure gack but ill still watch it for the craic.....but the fact remains that this period produced some of the greatest black metal albums in our collections. And this is based on the creativity of youth and good musicianship, full stop, nothing to do with ole Beelzebub himself I'm afraid!!!. ...then when you look at the sociological aspect of it, it is laughable in its absurdity. That begins with looking at Norwegian society at this time, these were a bunch of lads barely out of their nappies who were well heeled and wanted for nothing. This scene came about out of pure boredom with their mundane (and very comfortable) lives. When your life is so safe, comfortable and mundane, you have to create drama and controversy out of something to give you some reason to get out of bed in the morning!!!....result = Norwegian black metal.
And the major factor in their boredom is a lack of alcohol or drugs which the rest of us teenagers in western society experimented with and it kept us too busy concentrating on getting wasted or chasing skirt to worry about rebelling in the name of satan.. But these lads, because of their conservative (protestant in the main) society experienced none of the trappings of your normal (for example, Irish youth). So if your that bored as a teenager, and your parents are well off...what do you do? turn to satan and try and rebel!...they were quite sad really, but as I said, we did get some great music!!!
It's an endlessly fecund well to dip into. The form is simple but capturing the essence is difficult. There is an endless flood of average music that falls under the banner but some bands capture the essence. How? Why?
Quote from: Beast Man on February 17, 2019, 12:11:03 AM
This film is pure gack but ill still watch it for the craic.....but the fact remains that this period produced some of the greatest black metal albums in our collections. And this is based on the creativity of youth and good musicianship, full stop, nothing to do with ole Beelzebub himself I'm afraid!!!. ...then when you look at the sociological aspect of it, it is laughable in its absurdity. That begins with looking at Norwegian society at this time, these were a bunch of lads barely out of their nappies who were well heeled and wanted for nothing. This scene came about out of pure boredom with their mundane (and very comfortable) lives. When your life is so safe, comfortable and mundane, you have to create drama and controversy out of something to give you some reason to get out of bed in the morning!!!....result = Norwegian black metal.
And the major factor in their boredom is a lack of alcohol or drugs which the rest of us teenagers in western society experimented with and it kept us too busy concentrating on getting wasted or chasing skirt to worry about rebelling in the name of satan.. But these lads, because of their conservative (protestant in the main) society experienced none of the trappings of your normal (for example, Irish youth). So if your that bored as a teenager, and your parents are well off...what do you do? turn to satan and try and rebel!...they were quite sad really, but as I said, we did get some great music!!!
I can´t imagine growing up without naggins and fingering. Funny, if I think about the lads I knew who were mad into black metal, many of them were well to do types whose parents were extremely strict and very much of the religious persuasion. The whole occult thing never appealed to me in the slightest, it seemed so negative and anti any sort of humanity or fun. I had a couple of friends who would dress up like vampires, pentagrams, the whole shebang and yet go to mass on Sunday with their folks. A kind of passive aggressive `"fuck you" to society. Obviously, the Norwegians took it to a different level, but yes, the "trueness" of BM took on Calvinistic levels of piousness, and could only really work in a country like that. The Irish would just laugh at lads like that, they would never have been taken seriously in the first place. Still, that fanaticism, can lead to great art.
I thought this movie had the kid from Home Alone in it for a while.
Tickets booked 8)
Out now on your local friendly illegal download service. Just watched it. Overall I think it was ok in that it did give a reasonable account of the broad thrust of events. Whether some of the details are accurate or not will divide opinion but, frankly, only the protagonists themselves know for certain. The band and hangers on are pretty much portrayed as eejits throughout - there is very little sense given that rather than being (or possibly as well as being) a bunch of spas going around scaring old ladies, they were creating a new musical genre with genuine worldwide impact.
I can't see what audience they're aiming at with the film though. While it definitely suffers from a touch of Dawson's Creek, the violence rules out a young audience. And it's not played 'straight' enough to make it the serious drama it probably should have been. The cast do their best but, overall, I just don't buy them in the roles. Overall, I think it would have been better with a different cast and a more serious tone - either that or just play the whole thing for laughs.
Edit: and loathe as I am to include a trigger warning, Deads suicide scene is exceptionally graphic and prolonged and may be upsetting for some.
Almost finished watching it. I cannot imagine what someone with no knowledge of the story would make of this movie. Apart from the members of Mayhem at the start and then Varg, no characters are introduced and it would be difficult to keep track of who is who or what's going on. Terrible acting for the most part, bad comedy but compelling viewing all the same. Funny movie.
Have watched it yesterday evening. Am not really sure how/what to comment, honestly :-/ I had to watch it, there was no way of avoiding it, but it was mostly 2 hours of wasted time.
It was not funny enough to be seen as a comedy, the script, acting and casting were a disaster.....Not all things in life should have a point, but I really see no point, or potential audience for this movie.
Watched it over the weekend.
It wasnt as bad as I initially feared. Would I watch it again probably not.
Yeah it wasn't great and i'd agree that if you didn't know the story you were probably wonder wtf was going on. Very shallow characters, crap acting and comedy and as mentioned a few very graphic scenes not for the faint hearted. An entertaining watch I guess for the metal community but disappointing execution. Nice to see Grieghallen in it.
Lourdes of Chaos
Varg gives his thoughts
https://youtu.be/_SLWWMw4AxQ
Watched it last night, and I did find it somewhat entertaining, albeit quite cringe inducing in parts.
I think the main takeaway for me was realising just how young they were when they crafted something as impressive as De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas. Never gave it much thought when I first encountered this whole thing in my teens, but looking back now from my 30's it really is an impressive feat of musicianship at that age.
I still want one of those I love Transylvania shirts.
In saying that, I've always wondered whether Jon Nodtveidt was tipping the hat to Dead when he said in a letter shortly before his own suicide: "I'm going away for a long, long time. I'm going to Transylvania."
Quote from: Floss on February 26, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Varg gives his thoughts
https://youtu.be/_SLWWMw4AxQ
What a surreal video...him talking about his knife getting stuck in the skull and having to wrench it out.
Quote from: Pedrito on February 28, 2019, 09:54:09 AM
What a surreal video...him talking about his knife getting stuck in the skull and having to wrench it out.
My thoughts exactly. Nuts.
Quote from: Pedrito on February 28, 2019, 09:54:09 AM
Quote from: Floss on February 26, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Varg gives his thoughts
https://youtu.be/_SLWWMw4AxQ
What a surreal video...him talking about his knife getting stuck in the skull and having to wrench it out.
That was probably the bit for me that the film hammered home. It's not like I forget that he's a murderer, but seeing a reenactment of the crime (discounting all the cringey parts the film throws in) made me think of just how brutal it must have been, and how fucked up Varg really is. Same with Faust too
Other than that though...it was ok, better than I was expecting but my expectations were rock bottom. Some nice cinematography, but I don't reckon I'll ever watch it again
Need to finish it tonight. Yeah, hard to know what to make of it all. The whole 'let's be evil' thing kinda doesn't marry up with how much dedication they must have put into the music. The music really is an afterthought..hard to tell, because I know very little about the whole scene and those involved. Varg lashing all the fine women..never saw him as that kinda lad, always thought he was just a bit of a freak who was mad into Tolkien and speaking the language of the orcs..shows how much I know.
Watched it out of morbid curiosity. Wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Acting was fairly poor but the suicide and murder scenes were proper grim, so there was that. I'd love to know exactly what transpired in that scene back in the day but suppose that'll never happen.
I remember reading the book of the same name back after it all happened. I remember going into Easons back home and giving the title to the ould one behind the counter so she could order it for me..
Lady: ok love, can you give me the full name please
ME: Lord's of Chaos, the bloody rise of the satanic underground 8)
Lady:.... :-\ ok thank you
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Watched this at the weekend. Nowhere near as bad as I was expecting, a bit dodge on the acting and fairly hollywood but otherwise decent. Even though I'm well familiar with the whole scene and story anyway, it plays more like it's for people who know nothing of it and does a good basic job of explaining what happened.
Finished it up last night. It's actually a decent watch. The American accents are a bit ridiculous, and it has an odd, but interesting, contrast between humour and really awful, grim, savage suicide and murders. In terms of accuracy, I have no bloody clue. Some nice tits and arses too, but again, kinda jarring.
I go back to some of my earlier points in relation to all this. How do young, well heeled lads go from playing in a band, dressing up like orcs, drinking and havjng the buzz to stabbing your mate god knows how many times, finishing up with one to the temple. Then yer man Faust too..horrendous acts of brutality. The only lad I really felt for in all of it was the singer Dod. Imagine being his parents having to live with that album cover? Fuck! A bunch of mad fuckers who took it all to strange extremes.
The musical side was sorely underplayed. It was as if it was an afterthought, all seen as a bit of a laugh, good ol heavy metal. I really doubt any of them were that blasé about their music..made no sense in that regard. Or maybe it captured it perfectly..i.e. it was all almost accidental...really though? All very mixed messaging.
I managed to see it last night and, have to say, I quite enjoyed it. It has no real interest in the music at all. The music in incidental to what they're really focussing on. It's all about Euronymous and the ominous shadow of Varg and the changing dynamic between the two kids - a talisman within a growing scene and an upstart hellbent on, first, joining and, then, outdoing him. Despite knowing much of the story/legend, it did a good job keeping the tension growing and growing up to the gory end. I understand why it's so upsetting to many. It grabs the myths of the scene and takes a great, big shit on them. If you're precious about your Norwegian black metal, it's one to avoid :laugh:
The acting is a little clunky at times, for sure, and the humour sometimes feels a little jarring in the context of the suicide, murders and overwhelming unpleasantness but I think I understand why they felt the need to shoehorn it in. Spending a couple of hours among such utter ballbags would be too much without some levity. The music isn't used to justify anything in their personalities, neither creative genius or any other artistic flaw. It really is down to the relationship between the main two. They do a good job at humanising Euronymous, too, exposing vulnerabilities every now and then. That you have sympathy towards his character towards the finale is no mean feat. Again, if you're precious about it all, it might not be the film for you, but I thought it was good entertainment for what it is, a drama about the relationship between two very different personalities, and not what it is not, the insightful documentary about the origins of Norwegian black metal it never set out nor ever claimed to be.
I'm not much of a movie watcher, and rarely stream anything but I've a couple hours babysitting to do tonight and might give this a go out of morbid curiosity. What website has this where I can just click on it and play? Or do I need to pay for it through some medium? I don't have Netflix or amazon or any of those things. Thanks
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 06, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
I'm not much of a movie watcher, and rarely stream anything but I've a couple hours babysitting to do tonight and might give this a go out of morbid curiosity. What website has this where I can just click on it and play? Or do I need to pay for it through some medium? I don't have Netflix or amazon or any of those things. Thanks
http://123free.net/movie/LxRlland-lords-of-chaos.html
Quote from: Abandon All Hope on March 06, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 06, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
I'm not much of a movie watcher, and rarely stream anything but I've a couple hours babysitting to do tonight and might give this a go out of morbid curiosity. What website has this where I can just click on it and play? Or do I need to pay for it through some medium? I don't have Netflix or amazon or any of those things. Thanks
http://123free.net/movie/LxRlland-lords-of-chaos.html
Thanks.
Wow.
What a terrible film. Quite the feat to make such a fascinating and unbelievable story into so shallow and boring a movie. I could write a lengthy piece excoriating this worthless fraud but I've wasted enough time on it already. If you like black metal and are familiar with the events and music of the early 90's, steer well clear. You will gain nothing from watching this.
Judging by some of the comments It appears to have some value for non metal heads and casual metal fans but I honestly don't know how anyone could enjoy it what with the directing, script, acting, vibe, atmosphere etc etc etc etc......
An atrocious waste of time.
Is that you, Varg?
You heard it here first lads, if you like this movie you're not a real metal fan.
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 06, 2019, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: Abandon All Hope on March 06, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 06, 2019, 01:49:53 PM
I'm not much of a movie watcher, and rarely stream anything but I've a couple hours babysitting to do tonight and might give this a go out of morbid curiosity. What website has this where I can just click on it and play? Or do I need to pay for it through some medium? I don't have Netflix or amazon or any of those things. Thanks
http://123free.net/movie/LxRlland-lords-of-chaos.html
If you like black metal and are familiar with the events and music of the early 90's, steer well clear.
What's the best source for this? The Lords of chaos book is accurate? Cheers
The documentary Until The Light Takes Us gives a decent overview of the events.
I watched Until The Light Takes us before watching the movie, just to brush up on the story and the personalities of the characters involved and, to me at least, I thought the movie covered the series of events quite well. Obviously, it's likely there is much exposition and story development in conversations which may or may not ever have happened but it did a fair job with the major events themselves.
Quote from: liamish on March 07, 2019, 02:11:05 PM
You heard it here first lads, if you like this movie you're not a real metal fan.
No, just means you got shit fucking taste in movies :laugh:. It's awful. How anyone misses that is beyond me. And I don't really watch much film but this is damn obvious!
I don't know how to multiquote, but to the next lad implying that this turd might be as good a source as any for insight into what the scene was like at the time.....
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
There's any amount of stuff out there for you to look at/read and build up your own picture of those events. Interviews (print and verbal), documentaries, zines, etc etc.. You don't end up thinking "necro American Pie".
Jesus, it's a fucking joke of a flick altogether.
I'd like to see it done with a proper dark atmosphere and mood explored. The story is already written. The events are incredible. It just needs an understanding direction. Not a half a teen flick with crowbarred in love story and jock style house parties and "MY NAME IS VARG!" dialogue. Sheesh :laugh:
The irony being, of course, that Kristian became Varg when he was, what, about 17 or 18? Faust committed murder when he was 18 too? The film starts when Euronymous and Necrobutcher are about 15 or 16? It's a teen drama no matter how you spin it :laugh:
Unless you believe that there was no personality development in any of these characters across the years of events the film covers and that Varg appeared, fully formed as Varg of Burzum, famous youtuber, then it’s only logical that there is some emotional and personal growth portrayed on the screen. That means they have to start somewhere not as fully formed as legend tells us they were when the film reaches its climax.
Quote from: liamish on March 07, 2019, 02:11:05 PM
You heard it here first lads, if you like this movie you're not a real metal fan.
I was wondering why I stopped enjoying all my music after thinking it was alright.
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 07, 2019, 11:24:47 PM
There's any amount of stuff out there for you to look at/read and build up your own picture of those events. Interviews (print and verbal), documentaries, zines, etc etc.. You don't end up thinking "necro American Pie".
Jesus, it's a fucking joke of a flick altogether.
I'd like to see it done with a proper dark atmosphere and mood explored. The story is already written. The events are incredible. It just needs an understanding direction. Not a half a teen flick with crowbarred in love story and jock style house parties and "MY NAME IS VARG!" dialogue. Sheesh :laugh:
Being very familiar with all the events before seeing this, I still enjoyed it. It's one side of a view on it, and does go into each of the major events surrounding it. Obviously you're upset that this wasn't close to the picture you had in your head of events. If you remove the glorifying narrative of old zines, docs, interviews and pull back the veil of mystery that kept the events so interesting to us over the years, this is what you're left with; a bunch of teenagers trying to be as evil as they could to present an image of their music, but it all got way out of hand. They were having house parties and trying to "out-metal" each other with stage names, why take it out when it goes to show the sort of thing they got up to?
Fair enough there's a very teen drama element to the whole thing but that's a writing tool for the film, it seems ludicrous to think that these people were just shitty kids in bands until it's presented that way, it's designed to go against the idea we have of it all, while at the same time making it an accessible film for people who know nothing about this whole thing. I don't think it's a great film, but it's not bad.
A film exploring it in a darker atmosphere would be interesting but tough to do, without glorifying the events, outside of a documentary style and we already have Until The Light Takes Us for that (excellent film). There's a wealth of resources online that anyone with more than a passing interest can explore to see what happened, and since this is basically a true crime flick there will be people who do it, and down the line if it sells and performs well you might get a documentary in the style you want. But this was never designed to be that.
Edit: Juggz said it much more succinctly above really.
Here's something I don't think I'd seen before and which YouTube just threw into my recommendeds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c2gBrvOVXE
Going to try watch the film this weekend, after showing herself Until The Light Takes Us first for context.
That video is very good Chris and goes back to my original point that, despite age, these lads were deadly serious about their art, and that for them, art, spirituality, life, expression all melded into one. It's too easy to say they were stupid young kids..of course there's a ridiculous pretentious look to it from outside, but I'm not convinced that they were in fact pretending. They seem like morose, serious people. And all the violence, suicides, murder etc etc backs all that up. Stupid kids get in a band, someone kills themselves and the band breaks up and everyone goes working in a bank. That's not what happened here..it all formed a part of the whole, the music being of maximum priority, married to a way of life and a way of seeing tje world that they forged together. It isn't all consistent, of course, some see things differently to others, but the guy from Darktbrone talking about the silence in which they would walk through yje woods, the ritual aspects, their view of their metal as a continuity of a tradition, a Norwegian, pre Christian tradition..it flies in the face of much of what the film.was saying.
Now I will get slaughtered for this, but a lot of their talk and language almost reflects the national romanticism that we saw in Ireland and in Irish poetry and writing at the start of the 1900's particularly by the Gaelic League. If you ever read the likes of Padraig Pearse, there is a lot of crossover in the way he would talk about Ireland, the romanticism, the tradition, the heroes, etc etc etc. So metal was the tool, the language used, but as opposed to the American big hair way of approaching metal, they used it as a way to honour their tradition, but also set themselves completely against Americanisation. So, again, the film has missed all of this. We fall into these easy explanations of things too easily. Of course there's some truth in it all, but it's scratch the surface stuff.
Gaelic League: even looking at the imagery they employ shows connections in theme. The choice of art style is simply a means to express other deeper ideas. I see similarities all over black metal..
https://www.rte.ie/centuryireland/index.php/articles/the-gaelic-league-and-the-1916-rising
Quote from: Pedrito on March 08, 2019, 03:24:58 PM
but the guy from Darkthrone talking about the silence in which they would walk through the woods[...]it flies in the face of much of what the film was saying.
Yeah, that particularly jumped out at me too. Very strange behaviour, but of a definitely morose bent.
Good couple of posts there from Pedrito and Chris/BSC.
Here's a curio I hadn't seen before sent on to me in recent days. Far more interesting than that travesty of a waste of time, piece of shit fraudulent joke of a fuckin film
https://youtu.be/6YIv6XqOlKY
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 08, 2019, 02:28:37 PM
Here's something I don't think I'd seen before and which YouTube just threw into my recommendeds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c2gBrvOVXE
Going to try watch the film this weekend, after showing herself Until The Light Takes Us first for context.
Cheers for that, it oddly flows well together considering it is only outtakes. Must rewatch the full documentary again, it's been a while. Great watch.
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 09, 2019, 12:38:59 AMFar more interesting than that travesty of a waste of time, piece of shit fraudulent joke of a fuckin film
Take this statement for a second, coupled with your own admission that you don't even watch films, and imagine someone who doesn't listen to metal tell you that's how they felt about an album you like. A bit of less investment in these things would do you well.
It's been a good long while since I read the book. Was the two lads' alibi really that they were watching 'Die Hard 2' on video? 😂
Watched it last night. Lads, it's fucking awful. Absolutely would have turned it off about 40 minutes in had it been about a group of people I had no interest in. Had the director put as much energy into making a good film, with a minimum of genuine atmosphere, as he did into doing everything he could to rile up Varg through his depiction of the character, then it could have been okay. I'm not saying Varg doesn't deserve a character assassination, but the way Jonas went about it absolutely killed his own film; plus the actor would be bad even for yank soap opera standards. Overall, that and the absolute inability to create, let alone sustain mood made it a poor quality TV movie. Generally I'm pretty picky about what I invest time in, so I can safely say this is the worst film/TV I've seen in a very long time.
I'll add one nuance to that critique; maybe yer man playing Varg isn't such a bad actor. Maybe he was actually directed to play the character that way.
Quote from: ochoill on March 09, 2019, 02:09:04 AM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 08, 2019, 02:28:37 PM
Here's something I don't think I'd seen before and which YouTube just threw into my recommendeds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c2gBrvOVXE
Going to try watch the film this weekend, after showing herself Until The Light Takes Us first for context.
Cheers for that, it oddly flows well together considering it is only outtakes. Must rewatch the full documentary again, it's been a while. Great watch.
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 09, 2019, 12:38:59 AMFar more interesting than that travesty of a waste of time, piece of shit fraudulent joke of a fuckin film
Take this statement for a second, coupled with your own admission that you don't even watch films, and imagine someone who doesn't listen to metal tell you that's how they felt about an album you like. A bit of less investment in these things would do you well.
I don't know where to start with you. Your replies to me on this topic are all over the place. Maybe not surprising for someone who thinks so obvious a turd of a film is "alright".
I'm gonna leave you and your notions there. Don't have the time or patience to tackle your numerous error strewn posts one by one.
Right so.
A film is released, loosely based on the formative years of a musical movement. A movement which was seemingly designed to push boundaries of taste and to be abhorrent to the mainstream.
The film portrays the events in such a fashion as to be abhorrent to the founders and followers of the aforementioned movement.
Aghast at this travesty, the followers flock to the Internet forums in their droves to declare their disgust.
The followers,.. those who once found solace in this music as their portal to rejection of the mainstream become a parody of the offended masses from which they once strived to isolate themselves.
"how dare you defile that idea which we hold sacred" they cry.
Having paid tribute to the style in the true spirit of the movement, and having unleashed a tide of irony on the target audience, the film sits back to enjoy watching the horror unfold.
In the end, I didn't tell herself anything about the scene before watching the film, just so one of us could judge it without prejudice. She found the story compellingly shocking but the film fairly boring. And it is.
I'm not precious about the BM scene at all, it's just a very poor film about a captivating story it got for free. Making it a very, very poor film.
I'm not a huge black metal fan, and I get the story itself is interesting. However, it's far more interesting for those into BM or metal, than not. This jokey, taking the piss idea is childish. Like an internal joke that very few people will get. Again, it doesn't do enough for me in terms of the music and the power of the scene. It just reduces everything down to adolescent behaviour, which, again, is a blasé and typically modern way of looking at things. It just doesn't add up, and I wouldn't be offended or even give a shit either way.
Going to see this in the cinema on Friday. No spoilers please
Same. Got my tickets just before it leaked online so I've been avoiding threads like this since. Goin with mostly non metal types so be interesting to see what they make of it.
I enjoyed that immensely. Varg was portrayed as a cartoon villain with a ridiculous porcine laugh which was a bit disappointing and slightly undermined the rest of the film. I think he could have been portrayed as the cold lunatic he is without resorting to that and it might have made the film that much better, but overall the tone seemed about right to me. Young lads into metal, making noise, being brash and obnoxious and getting infiltrated by a small number of lunatics who took it all a bit too seriously.
The suicide and murder scenes were exceptionally, unflinchingly brutal. Nothing romantic about any of that. Very ugly and very real.
It was pretty much what I expected it to be tbh. Silly and irreverent which was fine as it was quite funny in parts (intentionally or not). Violence was visceral and kept the pace from flagging and the live Mayhem stuff was done well. Chubby Jewish horndog Varg was hilarious, though I thought it would have been funnier if the actor portraying him had adopted some more of Vargs actual traits/mannerisms which are well documented. I liked that cinema though very classy, and the trigger warning from the staff when collecting tickets was a first.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 30, 2019, 12:04:33 AM
Varg was portrayed as a cartoon villain with a ridiculous porcine laugh which was a bit disappointing and slightly undermined the rest of the film.
Slightly undermined? It destroyed any possibility of it being "okay", and Akerlund deserves all the flak he gets over the movie for being immature enough to go down that path and sabotage the quality of his own movie just to better poke fun at Varg. Every scene he was in was unbearable.
I found it enjoyable I have to say. I think just the novelty of seeing these characters on screen with such a deadly soundtrack kept me entertained. I was expecting it to be awful and apart from fat Varg it wasn't awful! :abbath:
Nah Andy. It was fucking awful. A terrible piece of cinema. They made an incredible, riveting, real life story into a snooze fest. It was quite a feat how boring a movie it was considering the events they were covering. Toe curling acting throughout. Cringey script like the church countdown "10,9,8,7,6,6,6...." ugh.
On a positive note one thing it has done it set me off on an early 90s Norge BM binge since I watched it. Current favourites Enslaved' Vikingr Veldi ' (written by a 14 year old!) and Ancient 'Trolldom'!!
Quote from: Grim Reality on March 30, 2019, 08:30:38 PM
On a positive note one thing it has done it set me off on an early 90s Norge BM binge since I watched it. Current favourites Enslaved' Vikingr Veldi ' (written by a 14 year old!) and Ancient 'Trolldom'!!
Agreed, went home and spun "In the Nightside Eclipse " to remind myself why I like this stuff in the first place! "Kronet Til Konge " on now.
I was expecting this to be absolutely piss poor. Have to say I was pleasantly surprised. The acting was a bit hammy, but I loved the overall tone of the film.
One of the lads will be along any minute to tell you how wrong you were for enjoying it. Take a seat.
I'll have the popcorn at the ready 😂
It got a mention on the recent Empire podcast. The suicide and murder scenes did rather unsettle the reviewer.
Ok guys give me the 4 or 5 essential black metal albums from this era please. I wouldn't be very knowledgeable but enjoy Emperor.
YouTube early Mayhem, DT, Burzum, Immortal, Ulver etc...
Finally got around to watching this,much better than i expected.
Saw it on the big screen. Great to hear black metal in the cinema!
I thought the band rehearsal scenes were great.
And the musical references through out were spot on.
Even down to the posters, patches and vinyls.
Quote from: Floss on February 26, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Varg gives his thoughts
https://youtu.be/_SLWWMw4AxQ
Only just watched this clip now,hes making a bit of big deal about the lies in the movie ,but the only apparent inaccuracies hes focusing on is weather Euronymous had a girlfriend and if he cut his hair?.
He goes through loads of them in other videos. He even made a list as people asked him about this and that element, since he hasn't watched it himself.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 09, 2019, 02:48:08 PM
He goes through loads of them in other videos. He even made a list as people asked him about this and that element, since he hasn't watched it himself.
ah fair enough.
I picked up the Lords of Chaos book. What's the general consensus on this, is it as divisive as the film?
Quote from: Juggz on April 09, 2019, 09:07:01 PM
I picked up the Lords of Chaos book. What's the general consensus on this, is it as divisive as the film?
Now its been around 20 years since I read it but from what I recall it was a great read. very engrossing and full of info that I wasn't getting from Kerrranng at the time :laugh:
Certainly better than the movie :abbath:
Defo better than the movie ;)
Its been about 20 years since I've read it myself but I recall it being a good read. The main problem that people have with it is that its not so much a book about Norwegian BM as it is more about occult themed crimes in general, even the name references a group of American kids with no connection to BM. It's also fairly responsible for reinforcing the myths created about the whole Norwegian scene with its tabloid style sensationalism. I think Varg and others have stated they were misquoted, nothing new there!
If you want a book about Black Metal I'd recommend Cult Never Dies by Dayal Patterson. :abbath:
CND outs cool but it's more of an expanded zine covering the wider BM phenomenon. LoC was enjoyable. Lots of hate for it but I found it interesting.
Quote from: Weltenfeind on April 10, 2019, 08:45:03 AM
If you want a book about Black Metal I'd recommend Cult Never Dies by Dayal Patterson. :abbath:
Yeah i really enjoyed it, must revisit it. Regards Lord of Chaos the book, read it years ago and as far as i remember i did enjoy it but i do remember skipping alot of pages regarding Varg talking sh1te.
a worthwhile buy also is -> METALION: The Slayer Mag Diaries, by Jon Metalion Kristiansen
Looks like someone may have found the film inspirational
https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/holden-matthews/
Quote from: Weltenfeind on April 11, 2019, 07:20:25 PM
Looks like someone may have found the film inspirational
https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/holden-matthews/
:laugh: :laugh: i wonder after he gets out will he kill anyone in his band : "Vodka Vultures" haha what a name !
I was just looking at my bookshelf and I realised that when I recommended Cult Never Dies, I actually meant to recommend Black Metal : Evolution of the Cult by Dayal Patterson.
Metalion :The Slayer Mag Diaries is a great read too.
There was a book about black metal a few years back with a great front cover of a fantastic snatch, what was the album or book ?
This classy act? :laugh:
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Umoral/Umoral/175011