Lords of Chaos movie

[Juggz]

You say session musician as if he were some pipe-smoking oul fella who came in to read music off carefully written charts 

You really don't think he would have have some kind of knowledge or interest of BM in that era?

[Weltenfeind]

Well hes said himself he has no particular liking of BM so.. anyway being briefly in an influential band doesn't give insight into the actions of teenagers ten years later in a different country. Anyway my point was just that i think too much weight is put into his involvement as it just seems like good marketing tool for lending legitimacy to the film.

[Juggz]

And, in a similar vein, much effort is going into dismissing the credentials of someone who was part of a similar scene as a teenager (he would have been around 17 or 18 years old when he was in Bathory, don't forget -"session musician"  ) and could offer a better insight than most into the mentality of those participants 

[Weltenfeind]

Not dismissing just questioning

[Pedrito]

Is he the guy who directed a Madonna music video? I remember Quorthon talking about it in Terrorizer years ago, also how he had no time for BM and much preferred Madonna himself.

[Tee]

If I remember correctly, Jonas Akerlund directed the video for Candlemass 'Bewitched' which features none other than Per Ohlin (Dead) as one of the headbanging zombie metaller types.

[livingabortion]

Except it was made by a guy who drummed on a Bathory album. There is every chance it actually was some whiny, bitchy, teen drama which got out of hand.

Varg has really got the youtuber patois down to a tee, his carry-on is utterly cringeworthy. He has clearly spent a bit too much time watching some whiny, bitchy teenagers.

Having a slight passing involvement doesn't make you well versed to make film. I remember reading in a few places the book isn't a sound source for facts on what happened, it's more sensational, like Steve Wozniak said about the Steve Jobs film, "It's a good story".
Whatever your opinion on Varg, he is one of the people in the film and so he would be having an opinion, and he's not happy he's being played by someone with a Jewish name.

[Pentagrimes]

Realistically unless one of the Norwegian lads is actually a documentary filmmaker, there is no-one suitably versed to make a film in fairness. The book had an agenda, the film no doubt has an agenda. To be fair the amount of free publicity he's getting via forums probably has him delighted.

Anyway, it's out in just over 2 weeks.

[Juggz]

Having a slight passing involvement doesn't make you well versed to make film. I remember reading in a few places the book isn't a sound source for facts on what happened, it's more sensational, like Steve Wozniak said about the Steve Jobs film, "It's a good story".
Whatever your opinion on Varg, he is one of the people in the film and so he would be having an opinion, and he's not happy he's being played by someone with a Jewish name.

He's also unhappy with their weight, it would appear.

[Pentagrimes]

In fairness you'd understand that - he was a scrawny fucker and the lad in the film has clearly had a few pies. It's not unlikely this might be to wind Varg up.

Read something mental this morning - apparently after a screening in London there was a Q&A with the actors where Culkin revealed all of the cast were shocked that at screenings people in the audience were laughing as they played the film absolutely straight and in spite of there being jokes they don't consider it a comedy.

Make of that what you will.

[Juggz]

I think we need to try to see it in the same light as someone uninitiated with the genre. The absurdness of much of what we are accustomed to must be hilarious to encounter for the first time, especially the aesthetics and posturing.

[Pentagrimes]

Absolutely, yeah. hard as that will be to do. I wonder if part of the reason people are so uppity about this is because it portrays black metallers as deluded twats as opposed to the elitist types they like to think they are?

[Juggz]

 

I think the straighter it is played, the funnier it will be. A kid breathing the fumes of a rotting bird in a bag? Apply that to some grime lad in the UK and you get comedy gold!

[Pentagrimes]

Heap of new clips from this popping up on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeKsxc5tyclY-foOCKiIOlg

[polymer]

How anyone felt that these characters and black metal as a genre and cultural movement would receive a fair hearing in this Netflix/Amazon Studios era is beyond the beyond; fundamentally, it's completely at odds with contemporary narratives.

The debate regarding whether or not Varg et al deserve such a hearing is another argument, really.

Until the Light Takes Us seemed like a genuine effort to understand black metal and its practitioners, but stumbled at several hurdles.

It would be great to see a genuinely invested and interested docu-drama/film examining how and why these obviously talented young people created a form of music wholly antagonistic toward their comfortable, socialistic utopian communities and backgrounds - "the exhaustion of easy life".

On top of this, as much as many of the old guard have cashed-in by now, the genre continues to influence some truly underground acts and movements, from the extreme left to the extreme right. All of this is far more interesting than yet another cheap laugh at metallers.

Despite all, must see this when released.