Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2023, 11:27:26 AMNo way the Russians blew up that dam. Might never know who did like nordstream but it's too nonsensical to be the Russians themselves. However that hasn't stopped all of the Western leaders saying it was them immediately and ramping up the rhetoric accordingly. Varadkar and Martin were straight out of the traps with it. Eejits.

The propaganda is so obvious and dumb. I was watching listening to a pro Russian podcast the other day, they were regurgitating the Russian equivalent, albeit with more talk of 'sabotage' etc.

You'd think people in power would have learned by now not to swallow wholesale the first thing Reuters say in the middle of a propaganda campaign.

Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2023, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 06, 2023, 07:54:08 PMI'm almost certain someone on MI said he brought a 'bird' back to his hostel room and found a handful instead of a nice bit of slop.

'I just laid back and thought of Carol Vorderman'

Iirc there was a couple of lads on mi who said they'd have a go but they were bi rather than just virtue signallers.

Imagine being that committed to being tolerant and love is love that you'd take a mickey just to prove a point.

Is the presumption of the question that 'dating' a trans woman is some kind of pinnacle of (consenting adult) transgression? Like over and beyond being gay?? The respective worlds you and I inhabit are so different Kev, it's difficult to know exactly where you're coming from. But when it comes to aesthetics, transgression is always where it's been at for me. I got into metal because it was transgressive with respect to the musical/artistic and moral norms of my christian upbringing. I always felt repelled by the throbbing vein of homophobia running through metal precisely because it wasn't transgressive but rather completely conservative with respect to those same norms. It's why Crowley was so attractive to me in my 20s. You can claim to be the most anti-christian church burner going, but as long as you're homophobic you're still getting at least one big old gold star from christianity and almost every other organized religion. Are Crowley's writings "woke" propaganda?  :laugh:

So, I don't know about "dating", since I don't live on the set of Friends, but if at any point of my adult life I had met a trans woman who turned me on, and the feeling was mutual, I wouldn't have hesitated to jump in a bed with her and see what kind of experience arose (pun intended). And if that had happened while I was already going out with someone, hey, the more the merrier! "The passions become evil and malignant when regarded with evil and malignant eyes," as Nietzsche (the one homophobic metallers don't read) once said.

Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2023, 11:27:26 AMNo way the Russians blew up that dam. Might never know who did like nordstream but it's too nonsensical to be the Russians themselves. However that hasn't stopped all of the Western leaders saying it was them immediately and ramping up the rhetoric accordingly. Varadkar and Martin were straight out of the traps with it. Eejits.

Blowing the dam shortens the length of the perimeter russia have to defend as you cant cross land that's flooded. So theres a good chance russia did blow the dam. It dosent help Ukraine's advance at all.

Chris, fair enough, but I mean the wokesters who are 100%, or there abouts,heterosexual.

Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on June 07, 2023, 11:27:26 AMNo way the Russians blew up that dam. Might never know who did like nordstream but it's too nonsensical to be the Russians themselves. However that hasn't stopped all of the Western leaders saying it was them immediately and ramping up the rhetoric accordingly. Varadkar and Martin were straight out of the traps with it. Eejits.

The propaganda is so obvious and dumb. I was watching listening to a pro Russian podcast the other day, they were regurgitating the Russian equivalent, albeit with more talk of 'sabotage' etc.

You'd think people in power would have learned by now not to swallow wholesale the first thing Reuters say in the middle of a propaganda campaign.

I'm not even saying Ukraine did it either. There's no evidence for either scenario as it stands only arguments over why each might have done it but that didn't stop our boys coming out with the statements in the slightest.

It's mental that in 2023, we can't get a single neutral report on a major military confrontation. Or is it? Maybe it's a sign of the times.

I have to say I expected no less from the outset. Things are bad enough on a normal day but when you combine standard wartime propaganda with social media amplification it's another beast altogether. I honestly tune out of most of it after 5 minutes of attempting in vain to see if I can deduce any truth from it.

The BBC is the left's Praetorian Guard, the cunts never ever stop. Take a cursory look over their headlines and see.

#1134 June 08, 2023, 08:24:40 AM Last Edit: June 08, 2023, 08:59:19 AM by Black Shepherd Carnage
The same BBC whose chairman resigned a month ago over a potential conflict of interests involving Boris Johnson? The same BBC who repeatedly smeared Corbyn (Panorama specials, etc.) in the run up to the 2019 election that Johnson ultimately won? Without even getting into the accuracy or inaccuracy of that smearing, it certainly was being anything but the guard for the left in choosing to broadcast it when it did. And it could just as easily not have broadcast it at that point in time. Overall, things have become a good bit more complex at the BBC over the last couple of decades than "defenders of the left".

I don't think they're defenders of the left or right, just another facet of the government's nudge unit, whoever happens to be in government. Licence fees and all that, same as rte.

Quote from: Caomhaoin on June 07, 2023, 07:20:40 PMIt's mental that in 2023, we can't get a single neutral report on a major military confrontation. Or is it? Maybe it's a sign of the times.

I'd say this has never been a thing in the history of humanity in fairness? Could be wrong but I reckon when the stakes are high all bets are off in this regard

Was it not you, Kev, complaining recently about the BBC reporting something and including a disclaimer along the lines of, "Our journalists were not able to independently verify this information"? That kind of disclaimer is about the most neutrality you can hope for when key information has its primary sources inside the governments of two nations engaged in an information war.

A lot of the stuff gets confirmed by both sides, albeit with different spin on it and that's about the best one can hope for with it as said above.

There's also stuff like the pipeline and the dam where we might never figure out what happened. In those cases I default to blaming the yanks and then stop thinking about it.

Funny how we all think they're somehow more likely to report the truth when it's not about war though.

Reminiscent of that friend everyone has who can't stop telling lies.

Just had mad weather here. Thunder and lightning like I've never seen - constant (and I mean constant) thunder for half an hour, lightning every couple of seconds for the same length of time, serious rain/hail and wind with it. Felt apocalyptic, like being in Twister. Flooding around the town including a section on a fucking hill. Calm as can be again now. Mad.