I don't get Chaos A.D. being so highly regarded TBH. It's alright, but it's been decades since I made it all the way through it. You could probably get an album's worth of quality between that and Roots, but it'd be a short album.

I thought Chaos A.D. was their best album when I was 13. I was wrong, they should have stopped after Arise instead of pissing about writing half-arsed tunes with Evan Seinfeld and Jello Biafra.

Don't go dragging Biohazard down now...

Quote from: Carnage on December 13, 2023, 11:39:29 AMIf ye want a good laugh, this is how Metal Hammer ranked their albums:

https://www.loudersound.com/features/every-sepultura-album-ranked-from-worst-to-best?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=metal-hammer&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2x0hVkQPrxqzncj08l-M7iPiNdNkyAxTv_B0iOWuDbICic--l9CV4xU0E


What is it with all these spasticated Metal Hammer writers popping up with these kind of takes lately? It's like reading Kerrang in the early-mid 90s all over again.

I threw Chaos AD on today and listened to it through for the first time in years. It's better than I remember it. Some really good stuff on there. Doesn't have the nuance or depth of Beneath the Remains but it's certainly top 5 Sepultura . Roots as mentioned is a shambles.

Chaos AD was huge for me when it came out. It felt at the time like a step into heavier, darker stuff, which it was as I was soon getting into Deicide and Obituary. Seems a bit funny now looking back as it was a simplification and slight commercialisation of their style, but at 11 years old it was immense. I haven't listened to it in many a year though, and my tape ran away on me over two decades ago.

Chaos AD is still class, although a step down from its predecessors.

Roots on the other hand... Jesus I never got the love for it and in 1996 every metal magazine was writing about it like it was some kind of second coming. Thankfully all the shite aspects of Roots flew over to camp Soulfly and within an album or 2, Andreas showed who the real talent was (although in his day, Max was an unreal frontman and vocalist. He really lost his way for whatever reason by the mid 90s).

Gonna give one of the Greene era albums a go after reading all this. I haven't put Chaos on in absolutely ages, and as Carnage I think said, I don't think I listened the whole way through last time. Still listen to Schizophrenia through to Arise regularly though.

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Arise was that album for me. Seps were huge for me back then. I was late teens for them breaking and it was a classic case of 'my' band. the Big Four had'broke' just before then but Seps were there when I came of age walking those dirty streets of Monaghan, perfectly placed to encapsulate my ire and teenage sense of otherness. First Dublin gig,  ever was them in the SFX touring Arise, still remember the feeling of the heat, the sweat , those guys from the magazine's right there on stage, tearing the Metal world a new one. They were massive. Just peaking. Gods to the godless. It felt like Dublin was at their mercy that night.

But times move on. We've been through the bonga drums and trash heap Max and I've  bought the Greene albums but always seen them as a whole other entity to the band that most defined my teens.
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But just to clarify BTR is undoubtedly their masterpiece.
Also the thread on here about intros  to songs, the segue between Beneath The Remains to Inner Self is gold.
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Always thought ´Chaos AD´ was kind of.. boring, even when I heard it back then, parts of it are good but mostly it just lumbers along. I think I moved on from Sepultura around the time of that release. Not a criticism just opinion as quite a lot of people seem to hold 'Chaos AD' in high regard.

Hmmm, would never call it boring myself, but yeah, preference is for the previous two, so fucking huge back then though, I'd still throw an 8/10 at it.
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Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 13, 2023, 10:19:59 PMGonna give one of the Greene era albums a go after reading all this.

Gave Quadra a listen there. The modern sound is a put off, but it was interesting in places at least. Will prob listen again, but it's certainly not anything similar to anything by classic line-up alright.

That is the beauty of Sepultura, they moved on with every album. Quadra definitely doesn't sound like the old lineup but, then again, it doesn't sound like Mediator, either. Each album is it's own thing and they move on. They're with, probably, only Voivod who managed to go for so long and never get stuck in a creative rut while keeping it quality. That they don't sound like the old lineup is very intentional but, to my ears at least, there's still a very definite audio signature going back to the early stuff which is theirs alone.

Bit of a coincidence they announce their breakup just after the Cavalera brothers released the re-recorded Morbid Visions/ Bestial Devastation isn't it?

QuoteBit of a coincidence they announce their breakup just after the Cavalera brothers released the re-recorded Morbid Visions/ Bestial Devastation isn't it?


To be honest I think it is a coincidence - really don't think Kisser and co give a fuck what those lads are doing. I'd guess maybe it's more to do with the fact Kisser's wife passed away recently enough.