Brexit

[Juggz]

He hasn't had the best of starts to his new job. This ruling basically reaffirms the Scottish ruling that he intentionally misled the Queen.

The beheading of a sitting PM would be a massive PPV event if Sky could get the rights to it.

[Eoin McLove]

It's amazing how much more of a complete fuck up Johnson's short term as PM has been, even compared with May. It looked messy and chaotic with her,  but it's like a circus with himself.

[Juggz]

You'll only get so far on bullshit alone. He has been rudely found out.  Surely he cannot survive as PM after this?

[Eoin McLove]

There's certainly that,  but I think it's the ball of shite poisoned chalice of Brexit that's the real issue.  It's something the UK should have discussed,  worked out and planned for long before holding a referendum on it, if they really wanted to do it.  It looks more like a knee jerk reaction against the status quo that has gone horribly wrong but they are so full of their own pride and self- importance as a nation- at this stage people seem to be just getting on board for the sake of it,  despite the whole thing being a massive car crash- that they can't find a way to turn back.  I know there are probably many very reasonable reasons that they might want to leave but this looks like a cluster fuck that might damage at least a generation of people.  And it might well fuck us in the process.

[Juggz]

True, but I think his approach has been responsible for this particular spectacle. It appears he thought he could bluff his way through it. May, as dismal as her term was, at least appeared to be trying to do the right thing by the referendum result. It'll be a thankless task, no matter how it turns out, but to have willingly destroyed your Parliamentary majority and been unanimously found by the Supreme Court to have misled the Queen to prevent Parliament from performing their duty - all in a few short weeks - is a tremendous feat by any standard.

His great acheivement is getting this far with no discernable skills or record of success.

[Juggz]

From BBC

Richard Tice, chairman of the Brexit Party, tells the BBC that today's decision is "seismic, historic" but MPs must think about what happens next.

"As soon as Parliament is recalled tomorrow, Boris Johnson is probably going to have to offer his resignation," he says.

"There may well be a vote of no confidence."

He says the public must now realise that "we're not leaving the EU on 31 October".

"There will have to be an extension. When that penny drops, people are going to be increasingly angry across the country," he says.

Mr Tice says there will probably have to be an election in the first half of November.

"What does it say about the so-called master strategist Dominic Cummings? I trust he will be offering his resignation today."

Didn't the government also spend something like £100m on information and advertising they were leaving on that date? 

[Eoin McLove]

Will the EU allow them to continue to make extension after extension?

[Trev]

Will the EU allow them to continue to make extension after extension?

I'd assume they would as it's still in their interests for the UK to stay with the EU, but then again they're probably getting as fed up with the British government as every else

[Juggz]

I just read an interesting commentary on the Monarch’s involvement in this and the grey areas around the role the Queen plays in Government. Johnson has exposed a massive flaw in how it all functions, how open it is to exploitation, and there are calls for the UK to finally have a written constitution. That would require the role of the Monarch in a democratically elected Government to be very explicitly defined. That won’t go down well.

[hellfire]

The no deal scenario looks set for the end of next month. When the dust settles on that the British electorate will have to take a very serious look at their political class. Nobody on either side has behaved well. It was used by all of them to attempt to score cheap political points instead of looking our for the UK's best interest.

[Juggz]

The political class didn't vote for it, the working class did. The rude awakening will have been earned.

Outside Tommyfield Market in the town centre former cotton mill worker Sid Jones says Oldham was "abandoned" by successive governments.

"People lost their jobs and livelihoods and no one cared. There used to be nearly 700 stalls in this market, and it was very, very active, and then the supermarkets came, and the stalls disappeared."

He believes a return to past glories, can be achieved by leaving the EU.

"We used to have not just cotton mills, there was mining, steel mills, foundries, there was a hell of a lot of work."

"We're restricted because of the European governing bodies, which is wrong ... there will always be people who will want to buy British."

It is a view shared by Susan, a retired school worker who cites Boris Johnson's well worn phrase "lets get Brexit done".

"We need to get on with our lives, and be a great England again," she says.

When asked what being a "great England" actually means she looks to the past.

"We had cotton mills, we had steel, we had everything, and now we've got nothing. It's all been put abroad and we need it back.

"We used to be a great nation, and now we're not. All the other countries are laughing at us, they think we're idiots. We need to get it back, just get on with it."

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0929/1078910-tory-party-conference/

[Eoin McLove]

Delusional bullshite.  Those jobs have been rendered obsolete by advancements in technology,  not because of the bogeyman EU. Do these twits think that the old empire will spring back to life and take over the world by returning to a Dickensian England?? Imagine what a laughing stock they'd be then!

[Ollkiller]

Delusional bullshite.  Those jobs have been rendered obsolete by advancements in technology,  not because of the bogeyman EU. Do these twits think that the old empire will spring back to life and take over the world by returning to a Dickensian England?? Imagine what a laughing stock they'd be then!

Exactly. How fucking thick are some people. Pining for a England of nostalgia, tea and crumpets and good ould coal mines. They deserve a hard brexit.

[Juggz]

It's hardly an unbiased article but mates of mine who live over there say they hear much of the same thing among their friends and work colleagues. They reckon, were another referendum to take place, Brexit would win by a much bigger margin. The absence of a plan and, therefore, a deal is small change compared to the inconvenience of Brexit dominating the news every day. They're tired of hearing about it and wish it upon themselves swiftly regardless of the consequences (which they haven't really thought about).

[Trev]

It's hardly an unbiased article but mates of mine who live over there say they hear much of the same thing among their friends and work colleagues. They reckon, were another referendum to take place, Brexit would win by a much bigger margin. The absence of a plan and, therefore, a deal is small change compared to the inconvenience of Brexit dominating the news every day. They're tired of hearing about it and wish it upon themselves swiftly regardless of the consequences (which they haven't really thought about).

If they're tired of hearing about it now what's going to happen when it continues to dominate the news, their economy, their politics....for years to come