Parliament prorouged again by Johnson

Watched the clip just now, a lot quiter and a lot less people there this time around.
Such an embarrassment, more time spent going through the motions of all these silly archaic motions and speech rather than getting shot sorted

There are rumours of another mass Tory resignation on the way. On the positive side, parliament will sit on a Saturday for only the fourth time since 1939. Two were for the outbreak of WW2 and the other for the Falklands. The easiest deal in history, for sure.

Do they get over time for weekends?


https://youtu.be/8injz0HKeYA

Interesting discussion here with Brendan O'Neill (I've never visited Spiked Online so I'm not familiar with him). He makes some very interesting points and observations on the various hot topics of the day- climate change,  Extinction Rebellion,  Greta Thunberg and, probably most controversially, Brexit. I'm not sure if I necessarily agree with everything he is saying,  certainly I think the Brexit issue is still incredibly uncertain in terms of outcome,  but his overall take on things is at least refreshing and atypical compared to what is being pushed by mainstream media. He sounds like the kind of generally reasonable centrist who gets called a Nazi these days which goes to show how far the goalposts have moved in recent years. 

'too long won't listen' summary?

Greta being manipulated by her parents and certain hardline Christian groups in Sweden and presented as a messianic oracle type, armed with prophecies of the forthcoming fire and flood of climate change.  A total abandonment of reason, misuse of scientific findings regarding the climate to whip up fear and panic with an underlying stench of personal profit (producing and selling merch).

The last point tips into the ER movement as well.  He claims it is a bourgeois, middle class movement and likens it to the west hoisting up the draw bridge of progress while 3 billion people still languish in abject poverty across the globe. Also refers to the green movement as a Trojan Horse for socialism or communism.

Puts his faith in economic and scientific progress to both raise the 3rd world out of poverty and solve the climate issues as opposed to ceasing all use of electricity,  cars,  planes etc. 

All of that I'm more or less in tune with.

His stance on Brexit is interesting and he makes some interesting arguments as to why people voted to leave but I'm not entirely sure I'm on board with it. Lack of transparency, not liking the idea of being run by Brussels, but more importantly seeing Brexit as an opportunity to shake up the government they are dissatisfied with. He puts it more eloquently than I ever could and is at least engaging but he doesn't really say that beyond that rattling of the elites,  to what end it is aimed.  How will it reform English politics? No mention of the border,  no actual insights into the economic practicalities etc...

Still,  an interesting listen.

There's also an overall view that the left are no longer operating from the left and,  I'm inferring,  there has been a move from the right to fill that empty space.  Reason, democracy, freedom of speech and racial equality,  sexuality/gender-based equality in its true sense, traditional feminism etc seem to be abandoned and undermined by the hardline lefties. Now to even hold those positions, or question the modularization of all of those identifiers, is so far to the right of their line that to uphold those ideals is seen as right wing or suspect.   It's like the poles have flipped.

Disappointingly,  Spiked looks like utter shite to me.  He comes across as affable,  reasonable and convincing in interviews but the articles on the site (both from him and the few other ones l looked at from other contributors) seem more smug,  combative and repellent in their tone.  Strangely they seem to be aimed more specifically toward a right leaning readership,  even if the content of the articles is generally fairly sensible.  Or at least,  that was my impression.

Yeah, was just curious about his take on Brexit. Nemty posted the vid on FB last week so I'd already tried to follow back the claims re Greta and ER and had found no sources referenced anywhere in the shitty articles linked, so I'll take it it was all just ideas pulled out of the echo chamber which have a ring of plausibility about them but weak, if any, roots.

Hook me up with some reading/ viewing from somebody you'd consider to be convincing on all or any of these topics. Ideally ideology free voices,  if that's even possible with this stuff.

On Brexit? There's no ideology free voices on Brexit. For or against, it's a choice based on ideology.
On climate stuff, different thread innit... but, no, still can't think of anyone. That climatologist in the video interview with the ER woman seemed to have his feet on the ground though, presumably he's written/talked about it in length elsewhere or else they wouldn't have picked him to be on telly.

Boris Johnson has agreed a leave deal with the EU, apparently.  It keeps NI in a European customs arrangement with a border in the Irish sea.  Arlene will love this  :laugh:

So keeping the backstop then? Can't wait to see how similar this is to May's deal that he spent so long pissing and moaning about

I've an amazing mental picture of Arlene throwing a  tantrum and roaring like a man in temper... I'm probably not wrong  :laugh:

Quote from: Wiseblood on October 17, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
I've an amazing mental picture of Arlene throwing a  tantrum and roaring like a man in temper... I'm probably not wrong  :laugh:
S(he)'s some brute alright..  :laugh: