Random Thoughts

[Eoin McLove]

I have single handedly ruined Metal Warfare Christmas, which is like a present in itself 

[astfgyl]

I have single handedly ruined Metal Warfare Christmas, which is like a present in itself 

Yeah man you fucked it up good and proper

[Carnage]

[leatherface]

Steven Tyler from Aerosmith is now in hot water for his rock star excess in the ´70s but how many more are next? There wouldn't be enough time/ space.

[astfgyl]

Steven Tyler from Aerosmith is now in hot water for his rock star excess in the ´70s but how many more are next? There wouldn't be enough time/ space.

Yep I'm sure every 70s rock star is currently shitting it over how much hush money they'll have to pay to complete strangers that they may or may not have fucked about 50 years ago

[Eoin McLove]

Pathetic

[astfgyl]

Tis a load of bollix indeed

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Yep I'm sure every 70s rock star is currently shitting it over how much hush money they'll have to pay to complete strangers that they may or may not have fucked about 50 years ago

The case in hand is quite a bit more tangled than that. There is absolutely no denying the facts of what happened (Tyler recounted them in his own book), so the woman in question is absolutely not a complete stranger either. The fact that she either became or returned to strong catholic beliefs in the intervening period, including becoming a vocal anti-abortionist, is certainly not coincidental in her present actions though.

Were Tyler and others indulging themselves to the exclusion of any regard for the well-being of others? Yes. They were also, for the most part, addicts, Tyler at the time certainly was. And they had teams of people whose jobs were to facilitate both their addictions and their related cravings; to get them their drugs and their girls and whatever else they wanted. They were getting rich, but the record companies were getting much richer. Tyler has his share of the blame, all the more so given what he wrote in his own book, and the disregard with which he wrote it, despite (at the time) almost 40 years of sober hindsight to consider it through. The girl's parents have their share of the blame. And the entire record industry at the time also have their share of the blame, since their active interventions to get the girls and the drugs to the guys is no secret. But if Tyler has to bear his share of the responsibility for his own actions as an addict 50 years ago, it does seem a stretch too far to entirely remove any responsibility from the girl herself. She was a minor from a broken home she seemingly wanted to escape, he was an addict. Neither of them should have been allowed make any life-altering decisions, such as transfer of legal guardianship. But that's what happened. Because that's what they both wanted at the time it happened. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out, but not impossible we see defense for Tyler try to cast Holcombe's accusations as more motivated by her current moral and political preoccupations than by genuine sentiment of having been wronged from the beginning (though it seems clear that if an abortion was strong-armed through by Tyler and team, then this she felt as a wrong right from the start... and if that is the case, then it was just that; wrong. Whatever one may feel about abortion rights, obliging a woman to have an abortion against her will is obviously at least as wrong as obliging her to have a baby she doesn't want to have.)

So, yeah, a particularly complicated case precisely because it's not some random groupie.

[astfgyl]

I had read a bit about it and did get most of that but I was more referring to the inevitable me toos that'll follow for his peers. As regards the Tyler thing, as you say there's nothing simple there and he's admitted as much himself. The abortion part is a bit fucked up but how would anyone ever prove what happened there, 50 years later. It should probably just be left to the two of them at this stage

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I don't think this will open any new floodgates for ageing rock stars that weren't opened by the original me too movement. This isn't a landmark case, and that's because of the amount of non-circumstantial evidence involved. There won't be other cases like it unless someone like Lori Maddox or Pamela des Barres decide to have a complete change of attitude, which seems unlikely. It might inspire a handful of other women to come forward out of the blue, but this is a unique case and so won't help their causes, so I don't think we should jump from it to presuming it's going to be the cause of something you're for the moment imagining will happen and will be "a load of bollix." As Nietzsche never said, be careful when you imagine that others will lose the run of themselves that you also do not lose the run of yourself.

[astfgyl]

Nietzsche never said a lot of things. Maybe it won't lead to anything else but I'm a bit cynical about these things. I still think it should be left to em all these years later

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Normally I'd agree with you, but Tyler shot himself in the foot by dragging her back into the spotlight as a sex object (I'll leave you check the details of his exact words yourself), without consulting her, for the benefit of his own book sales only around ten years ago. There's a decent chance none of this would be happening now had he not done that.

[astfgyl]

Ah fair enough. Sounds like he brought it on himself in that case. You'd think lads would check the legality of what they're admitting to before putting it out in a book. I wonder can he claim artistic licence to some extent?

[leatherface]

I don't think this will open any new floodgates for ageing rock stars that weren't opened by the original me too movement. This isn't a landmark case, and that's because of the amount of non-circumstantial evidence involved. There won't be other cases like it unless someone like Lori Maddox or Pamela des Barres decide to have a complete change of attitude, which seems unlikely. It might inspire a handful of other women to come forward out of the blue, but this is a unique case and so won't help their causes, so I don't think we should jump from it to presuming it's going to be the cause of something you're for the moment imagining will happen and will be "a load of bollix." As Nietzsche never said, be careful when you imagine that others will lose the run of themselves that you also do not lose the run of yourself.

Good analysis, hadn't looked into the case in detail. Thought it was metoo hysteria like astgfyl did.

[open face surgery]

I think with Lori Maddox and the like, they've made money out of the situation through books and other media so may have a much harder time claiming anything out of it.