Quote from: Danny on January 01, 2024, 03:12:58 AMI could never understand how anyone that I knew who liked Metallica were post black album haters, just because it was more rock, when these people I knew were also rock music fans, into bands like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden etc...so wtf is the problem then?

My problem is that if I want to listen to rock music, or bluesy rock then I'll go listen to some quality bands who are already well established in that genre. Metallica's efforts were just a bit flaccid for my liking.

I'm sure the cutting of their hair and the sudden wearing of makeup didn't do much to help their thrash fans support them at the time either.

Quote from: Born of Fire on January 01, 2024, 06:28:09 PMBar a couple of songs I've always found Emperor a bit shit.

Arrrggh! This can't stand.

Quote from: Circlepit on January 01, 2024, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: Born of Fire on January 01, 2024, 06:28:09 PMBar a couple of songs I've always found Emperor a bit shit.

Arrrggh! This can't stand.

Yes that's a tough one to take.

Don't want to quote Danny's post because of the length of it but great shout with the opening of Thorn Within being absolutely fantastic. I really like both of those Load Albums, the first being better but had they let it out as a double at the time, Reload wouldn't get such a hard time as a disc 2 as it did being standalone. Good luck to em after that though, the rest is poor. I like a few tunes off Hardwired and 72 Seasons but not enough to go listen to them often or anything.

It's a real testimony to the first 5 albums that we still talk about Metallica tbh, given what came after. They are 5 great albums.

Quote from: Circlepit on January 01, 2024, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: Born of Fire on January 01, 2024, 06:28:09 PMBar a couple of songs I've always found Emperor a bit shit.

Arrrggh! This can't stand.

It's not that I think they're complete wank, it's just that listening to their output compared to that of their peers of the time I personally get none of the same excitement I did from listening to their contemporaries, a small handful of quality songs is plenty for me when it comes to Emperor

Quote from: astfgyl on January 01, 2024, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: Circlepit on January 01, 2024, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: Born of Fire on January 01, 2024, 06:28:09 PMBar a couple of songs I've always found Emperor a bit shit.

Arrrggh! This can't stand.

Yes that's a tough one to take.

Don't want to quote Danny's post because of the length of it but great shout with the opening of Thorn Within being absolutely fantastic. I really like both of those Load Albums, the first being better but had they let it out as a double at the time, Reload wouldn't get such a hard time as a disc 2 as it did being standalone. Good luck to em after that though, the rest is poor. I like a few tunes off Hardwired and 72 Seasons but not enough to go listen to them often or anything.

It's a real testimony to the first 5 albums that we still talk about Metallica tbh, given what came after. They are 5 great albums.

That's it exactly.
That method of song writing using a clip board and grabbing riffs from here and there is the biggest killer for me on the latter day stuff as well as the inability to edit.

#1311 January 02, 2024, 09:36:24 AM Last Edit: January 02, 2024, 09:45:02 AM by jobrok1
Quote from: Danny on January 01, 2024, 05:21:35 PMLulu is not a Metallica album, it's a Lou Reed album so I judge it as such.

UTTER BOLLIX!

Lulu was not a Lou Reed album with Metallica as his backing band.
It is a collaboration album between both and was marketed as such from the start of its tragic inception.
Reed wrote all the lyrics, but the band were 100% involved in the music with Reed.

And if you think for one second that it was Lou Reed's idea to seek out Metallica for the collaboration, then you are truly deluded.
I have no doubt in my mind that the whole debacle was a pathetic brain fart from either Ulrich or Hetfield.

Quote from: jobrok1 on January 02, 2024, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: Danny on January 01, 2024, 05:21:35 PMLulu is not a Metallica album, it's a Lou Reed album so I judge it as such.

UTTER BOLLIX!

Lulu was not a Lou Reed album with Metallica as his backing band.
It is a collaboration album between both and was marketed as such from the start of its tragic inception.
Reed wrote all the lyrics, but the band were 100% involved in the music with Reed.

And if you think for one second that it was Lou Reed's idea to seek out Metallica for the collaboration, then you are truly deluded.
I have no doubt in my mind that the whole debacle was a pathetic brain fart from either Ulrich or Hetfield.

Yep.

Quote from: Giggles on January 01, 2024, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on December 31, 2023, 10:02:57 PMSt. Anger is better than the fucking black album!

But why?

They are both complete shite but at least St. Anger was an attempt at heavyness, the Black album is a fucking bland sell-out designed for commercial appeal.

#1314 January 02, 2024, 12:55:38 PM Last Edit: January 02, 2024, 01:11:47 PM by Bürggermeister
Stanger was an attempt at hitching a ride on the unit-shifting, commercial wagon of the time. The "no guitar-solo" policy, the mission statements, the "Metallica as a garage band" contrivance. They were trying to retain relevance by emulating what was popular at the time. It's 'tallica makes a Korn album.

Just they were incredibly fucking shite at doing it.

If you remember the "stock" scene in the movie, it's easy to imagine Papa Het playing Ratamahatta or some other mongo riff instead, it really wouldn't be out of place at all. That's what they were aiming for, no doubt about it.

Quote from: son of the Morrigan on January 02, 2024, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: Giggles on January 01, 2024, 08:07:45 PM
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on December 31, 2023, 10:02:57 PMSt. Anger is better than the fucking black album!

But why?

They are both complete shite but at least St. Anger was an attempt at heavyness, the Black album is a fucking bland sell-out designed for commercial appeal.

And yet the Black album sounds heavier, some attempt that was!  :laugh:  :abbath:

Quote from: Giggles on January 01, 2024, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: Danny on January 01, 2024, 03:12:58 AMI could never understand how anyone that I knew who liked Metallica were post black album haters, just because it was more rock, when these people I knew were also rock music fans, into bands like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden etc...so wtf is the problem then?

My problem is that if I want to listen to rock music, or bluesy rock then I'll go listen to some quality bands who are already well established in that genre. Metallica's efforts were just a bit flaccid for my liking.

I'm sure the cutting of their hair and the sudden wearing of makeup didn't do much to help their thrash fans support them at the time either.

Nah, the Loads have aged like a fine wine. Hetfield is at his most confessional and sincere on those albums, and the brooding vibe to them is a major plus point. The best songs off Load and Reload on one CD would be second only to Ride the Lightning in Metallica's discography.

Also Reload isn't an outtakes album like people seem to think. They just had a double album's worth of songs and did what GnR did on the Illusions, except that they recorded and released Reload a year after Load.

Also, the endless obsession with the band's image at the time started off a debate that took the focus away from the actual music.

Load definitely has its moments, the more AIC/Danzig influenced bits suits them, but the real issue they developed (and every band in the 90s) was filling the 70 minutes on the cd and diluting the overall product.

And folks'll argue about them for years and years😂

Quote from: Cosmic_Equilibrium on January 04, 2024, 12:44:07 AMThe best songs off Load and Reload on one CD would be second only to Ride the Lightning in Metallica's discography.

Sheer madness. I've done this and it's good, but nowhere near the quality of the band in their prime. It's close to the 'black' album in terms of quality, but the songs themselves are still overlong, the beginning of their unwillingness to self edit.

Site should be renamed Metallica Warfare. Same shite over and over again.