New album out today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMLed7lL5CU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2nZ3n8_e3k
Not overly pushed on that first one but I like that second song isolation.
These lads have been on a roll since Dante XXI, looking forward to this one arriving
They're fairly prolific when it comes to releasing albums aren't they? That second song is quality
I love old Seps, but honestly - the post-Max version of Sepultura does not need to regress. That song Isolation is a cracker.
First one to say it's better than Soulfly gets stabbed with a spoon.
A spoon is better than soulfly
A spooning spoon is better than Soulfly.
That Isolation tune is pretty decent.
How's the writing split in Seps these days I wonder?
"All lyrics are written by Derrick Green and Andreas Kisser; all music is composed by Sepultura."
That has been the way for a while, they get in a room and jam out new stuff.
Quote from: Trev on February 07, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
These lads have been on a roll since Dante XXI, looking forward to this one arriving
I have a lot of love for Roorback too.
I realize that they are, effectively, not the same band but my interest in Sepultura waned once they released Roots. Even though the direction they were taking was fairly evident from Chaos AD (an album I still have much love for), it's hard to reconcile the likes of Beneath the Remains with the nu-metal stylings of Roots. I've heard much of the post-split material and while it's reasonably accomplished and all that, it's just not Sepultura to me. That said, it's infinitely better than anything the Cavaleras have put out since, and that first Soulfly is one of the low points of the nu-metal era. I'd forgotten how bad this actually was
https://youtu.be/5uYv5Y8HZnk
They hit their highest highs - but also their lowest lows with Max. Greene has been around for a much longer time than Max was and has been part of a larger, more consistent body of work. Worthwhile Sepultura haven't been Max's band for the guts of three decades now.
The Green material is consistently mediocre IMO, and they were on a downward slide before Max left anyway.
And the spoon is out.
How does Soulfly's shiteness validate Sepultura's output? This argument comes up time and time again and it makes no sense. It's a sad state of affairs if the best thing you can say about a band is that at least they're not as bad as another band.
If Max starts a Garth Brooks tribute act and plays every song on an elastic band stretched around a shoe box that's his business. It shouldn't be used as a point to defend Sepultura.
The question really should be why are Soulfly mentioned at all?
Exactly.
Well... you're the one who mentioned them so... care to explain why? You invite comparisons and then whine like you've a sandy vag when people compare the two. Nobody mentioned Soulfly until you brought them up. You don't want people to mention them? Don't bring them up, ye dope.
I had a listen to a bit of the first song earlier. Not into it but is it just me or does the main riff sound a bit like they lifted 'Five Minutes Alone' and made it a little thrashier?
Actually, I think it was 'I'm Broken' I was thinking of.
I can't say I hear a resemblance.
Sounded to me like a similar little descending run of notes. Might have been my imagination.
After Arise I lost all interest in Sepultura, beneath the remains is a class album too, this current stuff is really not for me
Do people have a word document with the same response ready to go for every new Sepultura album release?? Jaysus
I get caught up in the "Sepultura were better with Max" thinking quite a lot but I always have to remind myself just how long ago that was. While I will always love those early albums (you had to be there) I often hear newer era tracks that catch me off guard and make me realise that 1) 'new' Sepultura isn't that new and 2) some of it is just as good if not better than the old stuff.
Quote from: leatherface on February 09, 2020, 10:56:51 PM
I get caught up in the "Sepultura were better with Max" thinking quite a lot but I always have to remind myself just how long ago that was. While I will always love those early albums (you had to be there) I often hear newer era tracks that catch me off guard and make me realise that 1) 'new' Sepultura isn't that new and 2) some of it is just as good if not better than the old stuff.
You had to be there? I got into metal around 98, I'm fucking obsessed with early Sepultura. The last 3/4 albums have been unreal
Also got into metal in 1998... what an odd comment.
What I meant was that they were HUGE back then, and to be 'there' was exciting at the time. Didn't explain myself very well.
Quote from: leatherface on February 10, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
What I meant to say was that they were HUGE back then, and to be 'there' was exciting at the time. Didn't explain myself very well.
Double post, sorry.
Quote from: Juggz on February 08, 2020, 06:22:01 PM
Well... you're the one who mentioned them so... care to explain why? You invite comparisons and then whine like you've a sandy vag when people compare the two. Nobody mentioned Soulfly until you brought them up. You don't want people to mention them? Don't bring them up, ye dope.
Actually I said I would stab the first person that mentions them with a spoon because it seems impossible for people to talk about Sepultura without using the argument that they're better than Soulfly as a way of defending them. And sure enough someone did.
After you brought them into a thread, willing people to make the fucking comparison, which had no mention of them up to that point.
Quote from: leatherface on February 10, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
What I meant was that they were HUGE back then, and to be 'there' was exciting at the time. Didn't explain myself very well.
I think almost everyone that posts here has to be into some era of Sepultura. BM people love the first EP and LP, everybody loves the 2nd, 3rd and 4th LPs, some like the last 2 with Max and some are into the new stuff.
For me everything up to and including Arise is great. I have a soft spot for Chaos AD as it was my first ever Sepultura album. The Derrick era has some good tracks but also some bad ones and bad albums (Against, Nation). I use to love Roorback the song Apes of God I remember getting that CD for my birthday as a teenager as it was released 2 weeks beforehand. Here and there I have heard some good songs from the current band I remember the Dante album being good as well.
New song isolation sounds ok nothing special. They are playing with Crowbar next month so thinking about going as I haven't seen Crowbar live yet. The last time I saw Sepultura was 2015 I think they played in the Academy brought my mate who doesn't bother going to many metal gigs but loves Sepultura (the Max era) he was blown away he thought they were great live.
Just got the album yesterday. It's sounding fucking brilliant on first listen. Far more immediate than Machine Messiah.
A Marmite band.
Time to bring this thread back from the netherworld.
So I'm looking at these remastered versions of the older albums. Tonnes of extra material. Anything I should be focussing on? Can't believe how good this band still sounds to my ears, even after decades of listening to them. Giving some of the newer stuff a blast too.
I never fail to be completely enthralled anytime I stick on the live in Barcelona vids. The sheer intensity is goosebumps stuff.
That's probably their high point for me. I still remember the buzz I felt when it came in the post from Sound Cellar, and I finally had a chance to sit and watch it.
I know they've released bits and pieces of it in dribs and drabs, as B-sides and bonus tracks on reissues, but has it ever been released in full? I have an audio rip that I downloaded a while ago but it's not the best.
Probably gonna get slated for this but I didnt like anything they put out after Arise and I think they're one of the most overrated bands in metal.
Quote from: Blackout on July 19, 2020, 10:07:27 PM
Probably gonna get slated for this but I didnt like anything they put out after Arise and I think they're one of the most overrated bands in metal.
The first part, at least, is one of the most commonly held views in the underground metal scene.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 19, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: Blackout on July 19, 2020, 10:07:27 PM
Probably gonna get slated for this but I didnt like anything they put out after Arise and I think they're one of the most overrated bands in metal.
The first part, at least, is one of the most commonly held views in the underground metal scene.
Had no idea. Surprisingly enough I dont.hang around with a lot of people who are into metal these days.
Quote from: Born of Fire on July 19, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
I never fail to be completely enthralled anytime I stick on the live in Barcelona vids. The sheer intensity is goosebumps stuff.
I only made a CD of that gig for the car a few weeks ago and it's relentless. Better on video but still relentless on the CD
Watching a few live videos of Eloy Cassagrande... the dude hits like a freight train.
Unbelievable savagery in fairness
Most of those "such and such reacts" channels are shite, but there's one called "drum teacher reacts" and it's the dude who used to play with Belphegor. He just talks through the various bits, briefly talks technique, might break down a few rhythms. He's kinda clinical but chilled and knows his stuff, so listening to him break down Cassagrande was cool.
I have seen that one and, yeah, I am usually allergic to reaction videos too but he broke it all down very well. They landed on their feet when they found Eloy. I liked Dollabella too, though. He was another very heavy hitter, particualy live, even if his parts were probably the most straightforward out of the three drummers. There's little to gripe about with A-Lex. I'm a little less fond of Kairos but many seem to dig it.
Quote from: Ducky on July 20, 2020, 11:10:03 AM
Most of those "such and such reacts" channels are shite, but there's one called "drum teacher reacts" and it's the dude who used to play with Belphegor. He just talks through the various bits, briefly talks technique, might break down a few rhythms. He's kinda clinical but chilled and knows his stuff, so listening to him break down Cassagrande was cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6sfwCvQYdw
Okay, so
now I will definitely check out the last couple of Sep albums!
That was sweet as a fuckin' nut. The one time I saw Sepultura live it was Dolabella playing, and he was good as an Igor stand in, at the very least, but this fella is a step above for sure.
That's the video! This lad is the perfect replacement in that he nails the old stuff with ease (there's a Sick Drummer video of him smashing through Arise - I think - and he just smashes it) but also has his own style. He's a genuine talent on the kit and one of the reasons I've become so enamoured with the last few Sep albums.
Watched that there it was highly impressive. And still sounds like Sepultura drumming, but up a notch here and there
Anyone else notice that on the early material (up to and including Arise), Igor never hit the snare and cymbals at the same time, or rarely at least? As in he'd skip a beat on the snare if there was a cymbal hit. Always stuck out to me - not complaining, I just found it noticable in the way he played.
I've never actually noticed it as a thing, but now it has been pointed out I surely will
Quote from: Carnage on July 20, 2020, 08:11:45 PM
Anyone else notice that on the early material (up to and including Arise), Igor never hit the snare and cymbals at the same time, or rarely at least? As in he'd skip a beat on the snare if there was a cymbal hit. Always stuck out to me - not complaining, I just found it noticable in the way he played.
Interesting. I'm far from a sound engineer but when recording and snare and cymbal are.hit at the same time, often there can be too much going on, one bleeds into the other. I'd say it's more his style but it would add to an explanation of why his drums sound so fkn class.
I always thought he was hitting the cymbaks with his snare hand, but when I gave some of the songs in question a go, it was difficult enough, if not impossible, to get from A to B and back again and keep time when I tried it. Just his style at the time I expect, and I don't think he does it anymore.
1min 20 into this and you can see why all the kvlt lads still worship early Seps. I can't really make out what's going on but that burning upside down cross looks incredible with the band underneath it, bearing in mind it's 1986.
https://youtu.be/FGVaUcrvFJo
As for Igor, good spot! Always loved his drumming, that's the way a lad should be hitting stuff, none of your tappy tappy shite
https://youtu.be/IKzfMiQaJws
Stuck on Under Siege there for the first time since I bought the DVD. Jaysus, decent telly and a soundbar make a huge difference. It was always good but 'tis a wee bit better now.
Quote from: Pedrito on July 20, 2020, 11:25:09 PM
As for Igor, good spot! Always loved his drumming, that's the way a lad should be hitting stuff, none of your tappy tappy shite
https://youtu.be/IKzfMiQaJws
Putting the 'hi' into hi-hat, it's almost at his eye level!
Im really late to the party on Sepultura. In younger days I heard the track "Roots" which I know to be their biggest track and that it was dirt. Then I heard a load of soulfy and was told it was the guy from Sepultura, was just lazy and never ventured any further. Have started getting bet into chaos ad. Have to say though none of the guitar work has blown me away, just the songs have been good and the drumming is amazing. What album should I venture to next. Might just go in order from 1.
Quote from: StrangersWithGuns on July 24, 2020, 12:13:12 PM
Im really late to the party on Sepultura. In younger days I heard the track "Roots" which I know to be their biggest track and that it was dirt. Then I heard a load of soulfy and was told it was the guy from Sepultura, was just lazy and never ventured any further. Have started getting bet into chaos ad. Have to say though none of the guitar work has blown me away, just the songs have been good and the drumming is amazing. What album should I venture to next. Might just go in order from 1.
Beneath The Remains, then on to Arise.
I'd then start with the new album Quadra (2020) and work your way back with all the Derrick Green (vocals) stuff.
The very first two albums aren't really worth checking out imho....
You hush yo' mouth, chile!
Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions are dogshit alright, but Schizophrenia is fantastic, my go-to Sepultura for a while now. Yes, it's still a bit rough compared to the following albums but it's the first quality release of theirs, due in no small part to gaining a guitarist who could actually play. Love it.
Yeah I treat Beneath the Remains as their true debut. Schizophrenia was - at best - formative, MV/BD is straight up dogshit.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 24, 2020, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: StrangersWithGuns on July 24, 2020, 12:13:12 PM
Im really late to the party on Sepultura. In younger days I heard the track "Roots" which I know to be their biggest track and that it was dirt. Then I heard a load of soulfy and was told it was the guy from Sepultura, was just lazy and never ventured any further. Have started getting bet into chaos ad. Have to say though none of the guitar work has blown me away, just the songs have been good and the drumming is amazing. What album should I venture to next. Might just go in order from 1.
Beneath The Remains, then on to Arise.
I'd then start with the new album Quadra (2020) and work your way back with all the Derrick Green (vocals) stuff.
The very first two albums aren't really worth checking out imho....
Nice one man.
Didn't care for 'Chaos AD' at the time, thought it a bit sluggish and dull, still do. That's where I departed from Sepultura to be honest, best for me is 'Schizophrenia', 'Beneath..' or 'Arise', stock answer but hey, just never got into the Derrick Green era either. Some of what I heard from 'Dante' was good though.
can't understand what everyone seems to have against Against.
:abbath: :abbath: :abbath: :abbath: :abbath: :abbath: RoooooTSSSS....
https://youtu.be/yoYryRRByqY
https://youtu.be/iLyaXv1ZhY8
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 30, 2020, 08:51:51 PM
:abbath: :abbath: :abbath: :abbath: :abbath: :abbath: RoooooTSSSS....
https://youtu.be/yoYryRRByqY
Amazing :laugh: you can see all he wants are adult lungs just to roar the frustration out of him..class!
Quote from: Carnage on July 24, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions are dogshit alright, but Schizophrenia is fantastic, my go-to Sepultura for a while now. .
Schizophrenia is great. I couldn't disagree more about the other two.
Ya, I'm with Lamb. First two are far from dogshit.
The drum video of yer man is savage. Derrick Green's vocals, even as background, are terrible.
I have not been able to get into any Sepultura album after Max left due to Green's vocals. Some of the music maybe as good as the Max Era, but his vocals just ruin it for me.
The vocals are certainly not for everyone. He certainly has more range than Max though and allows them to be a lot more versatile in their songwriting.
Tried that latest album again yesterday and it does nothing for me. Great drumming but just don't want to hear it. Any of it. Haha.
The Seps cover of Motorheads Orgasmatron is the greatest cover ever done imo.
was a huge Motorhead fan in the 90s and a mate of mine gave me a Seps mix tape with Orgasmatron on it.
I wore that fucker out, thought it was the best thing Id ever heard.
lead me to get Beneath the remains which remains one of my all time favourite albums.
Crist the 90s were great!
Have to agree with some of the other posts though, I cant suffer Greens vocals at all.
Beneath the remains is my favourite album but I find myself listening to the Derrick Greene era a lot these days, especially Roorback and Quadra.
Quote from: RangerX on September 13, 2020, 11:05:48 PM
Beneath the remains is my favourite album but I find myself listening to the Derrick Greene era a lot these days, especially Roorback and Quadra.
Roorback of all things!
Quote from: open face surgery on September 13, 2020, 03:01:22 PM
Tried that latest album again yesterday and it does nothing for me. Great drumming but just don't want to hear it. Any of it. Haha.
I'm the same. Very uninspiring or something. The vocals are way too samey.
Sepultura stopped at Chaos AD for me,i dont think ive ever heard on note of the Green era Seps.
Beneath the remains and Arise are my to favourite,i did love Chaos AD when it came out,some great songs on it,but havent listened to it in a very very long time.
I've tried some of the new stuff and have maybe 3 CDs but only listened to them a bit and they never inspired a return.
Beneath and Arise with some of Chaos AD still great.
Yeah for the Max stuff BTR, Arise and Chaos AD has all you need. As for the Greene stuff, I think the debate would be a lot different if they hadn't kept the name when he joined.
Quote from: astfgyl on September 14, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
As for the Greene stuff, I think the debate would be a lot different if they hadn't kept the name when he joined.
Yup: we wouldn't be talking about them at all! :P
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 14, 2020, 04:29:41 PM
Quote from: astfgyl on September 14, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
As for the Greene stuff, I think the debate would be a lot different if they hadn't kept the name when he joined.
Yup: we wouldn't be talking about them at all! :P
:laugh:
Very good!
New video....
https://youtu.be/4yNxUYIEkuA