Are we all fucked?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

13.8% in 2022, according to the stats from the article you posted. The 17% was a decade ago, in 2012, so by all accounts the number has net decreased, and significantly, in only 10 years. Plus, the 500k Irish abroad is in the EU only, whereas the 13.8% is all foreign born. Details really matter here.

[Caomhaoin]

'Housing Units'. What a horrible expression, but totally accurate. Life savings + 25 year mortgage for a glorified bedsit. What's the alternative? Competing with 20 and 30 other lads for a room in a house share. You get to a certain stage in life and that's just unfeasable.

Not saying owning a house is the be all and end all (it certainly isn't) but lads would want to start saving after their communions at home if they ever hope to own a decent family home in the looming future, unless something drastic happens to change the situation.

Like I said before, I can't stand listening to Mary Lou and her cronies going on about the current thing(s), but if they have a solid plan to get houses built and get families into them, fuck it, vote the cunts in.

[Eoin McLove]

The thing is, with Sinn Féin they have the advantage of using cemtex to dig the foundations, which speeds up the process immeasurably. And they can use what's left over to blast through any pesky red tape.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The continuity housing plan, they could call it.

[Eoin McLove]

Sounds real enough to me.

[Caomhaoin]

I think it's Semtex, with an 's'.

I'm nitpicking though, comedy gold boyz

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpr/censusofpopulation2022-preliminaryresults/

Occupied homes 1,858,526
Vacancy Rate 8%
Vacant Homes 166,752

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Fuckin' immigrants, coming over here, vacating our homes!

[Caomhaoin]

Yeah sure commute from Leitrim, not a bother.

House prices, rental conditions  and the most basic breakdown of the 'vacancies' are absent.

Sure those queues outside houses for rent in Dublin are just Russian disinformation.

So that proves fuck all.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Here's the breakdown:
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpr/censusofpopulation2022-preliminaryresults/housing/

An important part of it:

More than 30% (48,387) of the dwellings vacant in 2022 that could be linked were also vacant in 2016. And of these 48,387 dwellings, nearly half (23,483) were also vacant in Census 2011.

The queues in Dublin are real enough, of course. At least some part of the reason for them is the long-term lack of development elsewhere in the country. Like, say, in Leitrim! 

Edit: Population of Dublin now accounts for 28.5% of the entire population and rising. That is ridiculous and a major sign of the failure of successive governments to adequately develop the rest of the country.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

13.8% in 2022, according to the stats from the article you posted. The 17% was a decade ago, in 2012, so by all accounts the number has net decreased, and significantly, in only 10 years. Plus, the 500k Irish abroad is in the EU only, whereas the 13.8% is all foreign born. Details really matter here.

Can't find anything more recent than 2016 which set the figures at 1/6 Irish born living abroad but only 1/9 people living in Ireland non-Irish. Ireland at the time had the highest proportion of any EU country's population living abroad. There may have been a bit of difference since then, but highly unlikely the bottom line has changed: more Irish born currently living abroad than non-Irish living in Ireland.

[Caomhaoin]

It'd take some doing, no disrespect to Leitrim.

This is the problem with statistics like those above. Technically correct, but laughable to the thousands who can't get adequate accommodation, especially in Dublin. Maybe a mass social housing programme is a solution, but that brings myriad problems in and if itself. I have a few friends in Germany, and none of them own or are interested in owning a gaff as they have fixity of tenure. Copy the krauts I say.

These FF/FG pricks are paid to solve these problems, and they are failing to do so spectacularly.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There's nothing wrong with the statistics. Overall, they say what Irish people have been saying forever; more development is needed outside Dublin. That this hasn't been done, even when houses were being thrown up all over the gaff pre 2008, is a systemic failure of successive FF and FG governments and nothing to do with recent immigration. Had they fixed it when they should have, we wouldn't be the EU country with the highest percentage of its population living abroad. That's nothing to be proud of.

[Trev]

There's nothing wrong with the statistics. Overall, they say what Irish people have been saying forever; more development is needed outside Dublin.

Yeah, spent a few weeks over the summer out West, going around Mayo and Sligo. The amount of half empty villages, derelict cottages, unfinished houses...pretty depressing.

I was hoping with more people working from home things might improve, but most companies seem insistent on getting people needlessly back to the office a few days each week

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Yeah, and on that it should be pointed out that in the figures of vacant homes, two key categories aren't included: holiday houses (there's around 66,000 of them) and unfinished houses... who knows how many of them there are.