Faith No More Reuniting?

[Eoin McLove]

I heard War? on a Metal Hammer CD and in 98 the nu metal stuff that was flooding in and being pumped up by that magazine was really fucking bad. This stood out a mile in that landscape. Even to my much-less discriminating ear. I think I probably listened to enough good bands throughout the 90s that most of the nu metal bands being hyped were clearly pretty bad, and had me scratching my head. I'm always bummed out that I didn't have an older metal head pal to guide me in the dark arts of death, black and doom back then (although I maybe wasn't fully ready to commit to the dark stuff just yet, either) so I was left to my own devices to sieve through the detritus of MH's recommendations. When SOAD appeared, they had the cool, hip and NOW vibe of the nu metal movement (it didn't have a name back then, though. Woolly hat music was one title I heard used to describe it back then!), but they had the whackiness/inventiveness/unpredictability of prime Faith No More combined with the energy and political anger of punk and a savage production that sounded real and gritty compared to many of their peers. Even the album cover was stark and upfront, unlike the cutesy angle many others were doing.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

defending

Very strong term.

Otto, Borland and Rivers are savage musicians.

I mean, I don't even know which one plays which instrument between "Otto" and "Rivers", names I'm not even familiar with, but Borland is, at best, competent.

[Pagan Saviour]

inventiveness

Ah here!!!! We need a sin bin around here - that's a red card! Listen to that record again, it's so one-dimensional.

[Goosebumples]

Nothing could be clearer to me than why many metallers did and would absolutely despise SOAD. But seriously, if you're going to try and come up with arguments to try to prove that some of their mainstream metal peers were better on some kind of objective genuinely artistic grounds then that could only possibly produce hilarious results. So please, please, please... do carry on! 

I'll give it a go. I think, the lack of any semblance of self awareness in something like Limp Bizkit in terms of how ridiculously bad their lyrics are give em a bit more of a pass in my mind. In a "god bless them, I suppose they're trying" sorta way, and I ultimately am left with apathy, it doesnt horrify me nor does it excite me in any capacity. SOADs nattering manchild at the helm of the band on the other hand is abhorrent on another level. Their attempts to be funny, and likely self aware, fall so short of humourous and are just so far beyond contrived make me want to off myself more than any DSBM album ever could.

Sorry to the system fans in the house for attacking something ye like, Im in foul humour today and this is therapy    I think I may still hold a grudge from when I blind bought one of their cds as a teen...

[Bürggermeister]

SOAD are woegeous, no apologies needed. Let's leave it at that.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Sorry to the system fans in the house for attacking something ye like, Im in foul humour today and this is therapy 

Haha! Vent it out dude! 

[Eoin McLove]

One dimensional it definitely is not. Whacky, yep. I'd be more allergic to a new bands emerging like them now for that reason, but every single song on the album had its own character. The album was full of twists and turns. There's a fucking polka beat a the main riff in one song which was so far away from the simple chuggery of 99.9% of the post-Korn scene. They were drawing influences from their Armenian heritage and the politics and history of that country which was, again, about a far from the doonackfickinackdaddydontbummybumbum lyrics that Davis, and latterly Flobb and friends,  were waffling about. The spooky Marilyn Mansonisms were blatantly absent too, and they were otherwise everywhere back then. SOAD were coming from a completely different angle to the Coal Chambers and.... I'm running out of names... Defenestrations (!), who were clearly trying to jump on the bandwagon.

I can't really comment on their other albums. Toxicity felt to me like a watered down version of the debut- though it probably still possessed a magnitude more creativity than whatever else was being pushed by MH in 2000.

I get why people might well be allergic to aspects of the debut, but to accused it of one- dimensionality just doesn't hold water.

[Eoin McLove]

Am I really spending this amount of energy defending a nu metal band?

[Pagan Saviour]

One dimensional it definitely is no

All the songs are in the same feckin key! As Fr Ted said "It's the same note over and over again".

Cannot believe these chumps are being favourably compared to Faith no More.

[Goosebumples]

Am I really spending this amount of energy defending a nu metal band?

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.

Corpse paint privileges revoked, sorry, I don't make the rules.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

"All the songs are in the same feckin key!"

Haha! Nuking entire stockpiles of classic rock and metal albums here just to get digs in against SOAD 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Cannot believe these chumps are being favourably compared to Faith no More.

I didn't see anyone go this far though. Now that would be ludicrous, tbf.

[ochoill]

Limp Bizkit and SOAD both have good albums and some good songs outside of those albums but FNM are better than both of them combined by about 100 fold.  Is that what the thread is about?  I skimmed most of it lol

[Pagan Saviour]

they had the whackiness/inventiveness/unpredictability of prime Faith No More

[Pagan Saviour]

Haha! Nuking entire stockpiles of classic rock and metal albums here just to get digs in against SOAD 

Relentless.