Satan's Fashion Police.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It is a private event, but they're taking flak in the same way they would be if they'd said anybody wearing clothes made by a brand that uses sweatshops would be turned away. You go about these things with a modicum of wisdom or you take flak. And it's counter-productive because it just does play into the trope of "the left, not the right, are the ones doing the censoring these days!" In reality, they both want to censor as much as each other, just very different particular things. Anyway, I want to know why the yoof aren't more down with this kind of leftist tradition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-oV42OMQoE

[Carnage]

Varg Vikernes seems to be a nazi.

I like the first Burzum album.

I bought a Burzum T-shirt from Plastichead this time last year.

Am I a nazi?

Should I be prevented from going to this or that event because of it? With or without my black partner?

[Eoin McLove]

Ah nice, pulling the race card. I knew I should have married ethnic!

[John Kimble]

I assume most of us are sufficiently capable of telling the difference between Cannibal Corpse's cartoon violence apart from a band with genuine belief. I'm sure some people may find an issue with them, which is fine, but I'm happy enough they're not actually out there jizzing blood and knifing clunges until proven otherwise.

You're right, most of us are. But if you were a female, not familiar with the music, and you saw an audience of predominantly white males working themselves into a frenzy while some lad onstage spewed out lyrics about rape, you mightn't find much solace or indeed humour in the assertion that it's just cartoon violence. I get the point that it's not ideologically driven, but plenty of bands have suffered guilt by association even with the most tenuous of links. Didn't Marduk get grief previously for using WWII imagery or something?
Anyway, I think I've exhausted whatever point I was trying to make in the first place. Again, I don't really care for politics in music, I just know what I like music-wise. I'd rather listen to Burzum any day of the week than virtue-signalling shite like Dawn Ray'd who just appropriate Black Metal. If I see someone wearing a Burzum tee, I'd just assume they're someone who happens to like their music rather than someone with dodgy politics. I'd hope that someone running a metal festival would have the same level of insight.

[Eoin McLove]

Although maybe there's a solid argument to be made for (true) black metal being too ugly and antisocial- proper  outsider music- to share a stage with other forms of metal music. Maybe at its best it should be shunned.

[ldj]

Lefties make their intolerance for certain behaviours clear and it's self-righteous, 'woke', condescending etc, righties make their intolerance for certain behaviours clear and they're bastions of free speech, sticking it to the man, bringing violence back to metal!.

If you show up to a Napalm Death gig wearing a Burzum shirt you'll probably get some funny looks (probably mostly by the band if anything), but if a transgender person showed up to an Absu or D666 gig they're probably not going to feel very welcomed either so it evens out.

[mickO)))]

Nobody on the 'right' is going around telling people what they should and shouldn't be listening to or getting gigs cancelled etc. Also no idea what Absu has to do with anything or are you bringing them up because Proscriptor didn't want a transexual in his band? So now they are all of a sudden far right? It's his band and he can have in it whoever he wants. You can hardly blame him for not wanting the band to turn into a joke or should he have just said fuck the band I want to be politically correct.

[ldj]

I didn't say they're far right, but if he thinks giving a long time guitarist the boot because they came out as being transgender it doesn't exactly scream "Everyone's welcome", does it. When a band sacks a member for doing or saying something dodgy they get all the slaggings for being 'woke', so why does the same not apply to Absu at the opposite end of the spectrum?

[mickO)))]

In most cases when someone is sacked for saying something the band usually has to scream it from the rooftops to show everyone how progressive they are in this case it was the lad that got sacked who ran around screaming about what happened in a failed attempt to get the band cancelled. Proscriptor has never even spoken about it in public and most likely just wanted to move on. Saying someone like that would feel very unwelcome at an Absu gig is like saying a Christian would feel very unwelcome at a Deicide gig.

[ldj]

Yeah because when most people are associated with someone dodgy they usually like to make it clear they're not involved in their dodginess, not sure if there's anything dodgy about being a transsexual. Might have taken a bit more balls if they had stuck with the guitarist and challenged their audiences perception of who 'should' be playing black metal, but instead they took whatever the conservative version of virtue signalling is and gave them the sack because they were embarrassed by it.

Whether people like it or not all sub-cultures have their own social rules and codes, if people are putting on a gig or festival and want to create an 'inclusive' atmosphere that is open to people of various races, genders, sexualities etc, then yeah that apart of that 'inclusivity' might exclude t-shirts or symbols that could be associated as hostile to those values. Just like whether we like it or not there are some gigs and events where the 'inclusivity' extends to people wearing certain emblems or throwing out an innocent sieg heil.

If Nazi's feel 'safe' at an event, it's only going to make other people feel unsafe, that's the general idea behind all of this whether we like it or not, and yeah, it's shit that the people getting caught in the crossfire will mostly just be normal music fans who happen to like x band who have done or said something dodgy, but surely we at least understand the reasoning?

[Caomhaoin]

Feel safe? Ah here, what are we even on about here boys.

Ban Middle Eastern looking lads from Ariana Grande concerts and gay discos if that's the true aim.

The reasoning, if you can call it that, is foolish. Making martyrs and cult heroes out of Absurd and Graveland (I'm sure they'd be delighted with the upswing in merch and record sales from NS curious young f'las) for the sake of 'inclusivity'.

Ah here, where the fuck are we going. Over semi-readable band logos on a lads t shirt. Amazing.

[ldj]

I mean, there's certain places all over Europe atm you will definitely be ejected from if you're wearing anything showing support for Palestine so not sure I understand your point.

The idea that 'lefties' should tolerate conservative intolerance is retarded, it doesn't go both ways. But in saying that I still maintain anyone who listens to a band solely based on their political ideology, whether painfully woke or right wing, is dumb poser shit.

[Caomhaoin]

Do people listen to bands solely based upon their political ideology? Earth Crisis and Screwdriver existed so maybe.

I'm not disputing that there are places you should stay away if you are dressed a certain way, jaysus you could list examples all day and I've done it myself. But censoring band tees? At a metal fest? So lads can 'feel safe' as you put it? That's complete, disingenuous bullshit on the part of the organisers.

[Eoin McLove]

I was at NWN/Hospital Fest in Osaka in April. Day 1 was all black metal and day 2 was noise sort of stuff. There were trans and queer types in dresses knocking around among a multitude of dodgy far  right black metal band t-shirts. The vibe was completely cool. No hassle that I witnessed over the two days, just metal and industrial heads who no doubt had a wide range of beliefs all there for a common cause- underground music. Exactly how it should be.

[astfgyl]

The devil's music going woke is actually pretty funny tbf