İt's been 'woke' a lot longer than it's been conservative, people must have forgotten when Rob Halford convinced an entire generation of metalheads to dress like they're going to a gay fetish club  :laugh:  :abbath:.


An aside: the thread title sounds like the name of a Lawnmower Deth song.

I have a Burzum shirt, I want a Satanic Warmaster shirt. I'm not a nazi or racist. I don't care who want where etc.
 I like the music. I respect your right to be offended, I respect you right to offend me. I hope everyone feels safe now.

A new teacher at the local school rocked up in a Gary Glitter t shirt, some of the parents wanted him sacked out of concern for their children's safety, it's utter woke nonsense!  :laugh:.

Quote from: Carnage on October 29, 2024, 08:06:33 PMAn aside: the thread title sounds like the name of a Lawnmower Deth song.

Haha yeah I knew something was bugging me there...Satan's Trampoline or something loopy like that
Wearing jeans and leather, not crackerjack clothes

Quote from: ldj on October 29, 2024, 07:59:27 PMİt's been 'woke' a lot longer than it's been conservative, people must have forgotten when Rob Halford convinced an entire generation of metalheads to dress like they're going to a gay fetish club  :laugh:  :abbath:.



Between him and Freddy Mercury I just don't know how anyone didn't know before they came out. Anyway, my interpretation of woke is being offended on someone else's behalf and I really thought that with the whole rock and metal thing that it would be the last place that would be happening but then again I also don't really care other than to laugh at it. I honestly don't want to know the politics of the music I listen to because I'm sure many of them are pure spas but I just want to enjoy the music

Can people wear Neurosis shirts and whatever that band is where yer man was meant to be beating the shite out of Lingua Ignota? I don't remember seeing them on the list

I just think the word 'woke' has lost all meaning, it's become basically the modern version of hipster.

I have a Neurosis hoodie, maybe I'm a hypocrite, I don't know, but the band don't endorse Kelly's behaviour, they certainly don't promote it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people shouldn't listen to certain bands, if we chose not to listen any music or watch any film that had an arsehole involved somewhere in the process we'd have nothing. I love the first couple of Burzum records, but I also know he is associated with certain questionable movements, I don't assume anyone wearing the merch is a nazi (I assume most of it is bootlegged now anyway, at least the records around mostly seem to be now), but come on, I'd expect that symbolism might not be welcome in certain spaces just like I might be asked to leave my nephews confo if I wore the COF Jesus is a Cunt shirt  :laugh: .

Your nephew sounds like a total snowflake.

I'm listening to Through Silver In Blood this minute and I don't feel any more likely to abuse my family than on a regular day

Quote from: ldj on October 29, 2024, 10:13:28 PMI just think the word 'woke' has lost all meaning, it's become basically the modern version of hipster.

I have a Neurosis hoodie, maybe I'm a hypocrite, I don't know, but the band don't endorse Kelly's behaviour, they certainly don't promote it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people shouldn't listen to certain bands, if we chose not to listen any music or watch any film that had an arsehole involved somewhere in the process we'd have nothing. I love the first couple of Burzum records, but I also know he is associated with certain questionable movements, I don't assume anyone wearing the merch is a nazi (I assume most of it is bootlegged now anyway, at least the records around mostly seem to be now), but come on, I'd expect that symbolism might not be welcome in certain spaces just like I might be asked to leave my nephews confo if I wore the COF Jesus is a Cunt shirt  :laugh: .

All fair and reasonable enough. But the final point is a false equivalence. Wearing a Jesus is a Cunt t-shirt will resonate on more than one level and wind people up simply because of the language used. Plus wearing it to a confirmation makes no sense whereas maybe wearing it to a COF gig would be entirely appropriate, even though there would surely be a number of people at that gig (fans and venue staff) who would find it stupid or offensive. Should you get kicked out of the gig for that?

Depends where the gig is. If it's at Hellfest, it's possible. Would they actually though? Probably not. Excerpt from their 'Terms and Conditions' https://hellfest.fr/en/general-terms-and-conditions-of-sale:

Quote4.5/ Prohibited Items
Political, ideological, religious, or advertising signs and banners are also prohibited.

Violators may be denied access, escorted out, and may face legal action.


Graspop 'House Rules' (page 2) has a very clear list of what is and what isn't allowed, but then they have an additional part where they strongly urge people what not to wear, while not explicitly stating they'll get kicked out for it...
https://www.graspop.be/gallery/overview/download/127:

QuoteAND ALSO...
Clothing and/or other (visible) distinguishing marks advocating extremist views or expressing sympathy for a political
or social movement or group: bad idea. All other outfits: the dafter the better. The organiser can adjust/expand
this list at any given time.

Isn't every band or logoed T-shirt an advertisement in and of itself?

Next people will be shunned for having tattoo's. I find this so fucking lame and seems to be the opposite of metal. What happened to being rebellious wearing your favorite metal band tshirt. Now being censored essentially.

Quote from: Thorn on October 29, 2024, 09:41:50 PM
Quote from: Carnage on October 29, 2024, 08:06:33 PMAn aside: the thread title sounds like the name of a Lawnmower Deth song.

Haha yeah I knew something was bugging me there...Satan's Trampoline or something loopy like that

Having flashbacks to the time you were asked about Satan's Tarmpoline in the Terrorizer letters page, are ya?  ;D

Quote from: astfgyl on October 29, 2024, 09:48:29 PM
Quote from: ldj on October 29, 2024, 07:59:27 PMİt's been 'woke' a lot longer than it's been conservative, people must have forgotten when Rob Halford convinced an entire generation of metalheads to dress like they're going to a gay fetish club  :laugh:  :abbath:.



Between him and Freddy Mercury I just don't know how anyone didn't know before they came out. Anyway, my interpretation of woke is being offended on someone else's behalf and I really thought that with the whole rock and metal thing that it would be the last place that would be happening but then again I also don't really care other than to laugh at it. I honestly don't want to know the politics of the music I listen to because I'm sure many of them are pure spas but I just want to enjoy the music

Can people wear Neurosis shirts and whatever that band is where yer man was meant to be beating the shite out of Lingua Ignota? I don't remember seeing them on the list

We live in a world where German punks will give you shit for wearing a Burzum tshirt, but will also give you shit for denouncing Israel being genocidal maniacs. At this point I'm not sure what "woke" actually means or who the fascists are.