Quote from: The Wretch on May 31, 2024, 11:19:48 PMVery true. Hopkins is a very straight player compared to the others. You can tell Cooper really paid attention to Fyfe, he gets how much his approach drove that early stuff and made them stand apart from other bands.

My first listen of High Anxiety had me reaching for the album sleeve to see who was drumming on it as it sounded like Ewing had rejoined them.

How was Hopkins live? I assume he'd have to get able to do Ewing's material justice to get the gig in the first place.

Only time I say them live (much to my shame/dismay) was at Ozzfest, where Keith Baxter (RIP) of Skyclad/3 Colours Red was touring with them.

Quote from: Anvil on May 30, 2024, 10:45:41 AMDon't know if this is controversial or not, but never liked Therapy.  Always thought they were overrated.

To an extent, they are but when they're good they're great

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Quote from: The Wretch on May 31, 2024, 11:19:48 PMVery true. Hopkins is a very straight player compared to the others. You can tell Cooper really paid attention to Fyfe, he gets how much his approach drove that early stuff and made them stand apart from other bands.

My first listen of High Anxiety had me reaching for the album sleeve to see who was drumming on it as it sounded like Ewing had rejoined them.

How was Hopkins live? I assume he'd have to get able to do Ewing's material justice to get the gig in the first place.

Only time I say them live (much to my shame/dismay) was at Ozzfest, where Keith Baxter (RIP) of Skyclad/3 Colours Red was touring with them.

He was meant to be ok live according to mates who had seen them round that era before he fucked off to indie shite and they got Cooper on drums.

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Quote from: Ducky on June 01, 2024, 03:56:00 PM
Quote from: The Wretch on May 31, 2024, 11:19:48 PMVery true. Hopkins is a very straight player compared to the others. You can tell Cooper really paid attention to Fyfe, he gets how much his approach drove that early stuff and made them stand apart from other bands.

My first listen of High Anxiety had me reaching for the album sleeve to see who was drumming on it as it sounded like Ewing had rejoined them.

How was Hopkins live? I assume he'd have to get able to do Ewing's material justice to get the gig in the first place.

Only time I say them live (much to my shame/dismay) was at Ozzfest, where Keith Baxter (RIP) of Skyclad/3 Colours Red was touring with them.

He was meant to be ok live according to mates who had seen them round that era before he fucked off to indie shite and they got Cooper on drums.

Had a few cans with the Therapy? lads a couple of years ago and they were as sound as a brown trout. Started winding up Cooper asking him for Fyfe Ewing's autograph and he was laughing his bollix off calling me a cheeky cunt. Fierce nice chap altogether and the other two were A1 as well. All Andy Cairns wanted to do was talk to me about Chelsea the pure legend

A lot of THERAPY talk there- perhaps ye lads need some actual life counselling sessions more than your controversial opinionated bollox talk on here hmmm  ;)

But YEah THERapy? is pretty cool I guess- I like the Nurse, Troublegum, Inheranus Love records a lot too...but I honestly don't listen to them very often. Some shite albums since too & even especially shite songs on them otherwise deadly aforementioned albums regardless. I have maybe as much interest & nostalgia in them for me as the One Minute Silence records from the same 90s/early 00s Irish altmetalrock era.

Quote from: Danny on May 29, 2024, 03:02:45 AMBurzum is absolute shite...

Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 29, 2024, 03:06:06 AMCompletely wrong in so  many ways.
Well fuck man, fair enough- if you- Andrew McLovin; thee Master record poster of Metal Warfare *& Metal Ireland* say so- it must be so!

Despite your charming concise virtue there & elite talents in midnight gardening listening to Nurse, & you even having my genuine humble respect as a real/respectable Irish scene musician, as a member of the original MALTHESERSIANS lineup & I kinda remember seeing you perform WofH live supporting MAYHEM at some stage?. A wee bit all over the fuckin gaff if I may be so bold, but fvck it I was too. It is fuckin MAYHEM ffs. but in compliment to you, I'd rather be listening to your WotH than poxy Burzum. But yeah you give me no reason why I am wrong. Please tell me then good Sir yourself- nice & concisely;- what are even just some of the SO many things that I am missing about Burzum?

Quote from: open face surgery on May 29, 2024, 09:44:55 AMYou're wrong though. There would be no Xasthur without Burzum so not a valid point.

No; I don't think I Am wrong. Those kinda things really are so arbitrary when you think about it, I don't care to say original is always the best as if we as metal music fans have some poxy duty to be trve or some ol shite! Fuck that. Many fuckin metal bands out there who have blatantly ripped off other bands work have done it better. For example, in Death metal; I find that a lot of the bands especially on the prog/tech/brutal end are intentionally out to out-do each other as in more brutal, tech, extreme, whatever...& a lot of the time they actually DO out-do one another-

to the point I just couldn't be fucked with listening to that other band that did it nearly the same but not as well anymore.. you know? & so many bands for me have just deleted & replaced other bands- so it just comes down to one's unique/personal relationship with music & all that shite ultimately wouldn't you think by this specific mental fuckin thread itself literally proves!

But likewise, just as Mc Andy Sir is as cryptic & cool as fuck with a statement that doesn't really say shit... -Please feel free to tell me why it is I am wrong & why it is you hold Burzum in such high regard. Even in your usual concise as fuck statement manner is welcome. & yes I guess despite honestly thinkin Bursum's overated shit- I concede as I did previously- I want to like it. Even Lost Wisdom or that first song from the Filosofem record is just boring to me. what the fuck does this do that even fuckin VENOM or BATHORY for prime examples not do- a decade earlier imo way fuckin better in terms of raw deadly evil black fuckin metal already ?

Quote from: Mithrandir on May 29, 2024, 04:05:24 AMThat's a lot of energy for a band you don't like. Also Burzum doesn't sound really like any of those bands you listed so that's probably why people would bother.

No. I don't think it is at all really- when I come on here for a few mins a couple times a week I am usually enjoying VERY rare time to meself, blasting metal enjoyin a vanilla latte like a french cunt & a nice joint recently procured by home delivery from the local weed dealer monglord....& it is absolute a pleasure to read a few lines of Irish metal fans opinions & so on & then what a few seconds to type a reply or start a thread is nothing but near joy.

I take it you have never worked a 12+ hour shift?- That; my friend requires some serious energy; nevermind endurance, patience & discipline. I mean let's just try have a bit of perspective & context or even logic; here; No?

& Honestly I would say No- they do sound pretty fuckin similar & could be filed under "black metal" right?

I dunno Man- I love deeply a lot of of black metal bands & records; but I just don't get anything from Burzum. I am curious what it is though clearly. Actually 2 of my fav black metal bands, Primordial & SHINING, both Alan & Niklas have said Burzum is THE best black metal band-& I have just never seen or got that at all.

Anyway I would say; music is really just some random sounds for your earholes to enjoy during your brief experience of chaos at the end of the(yours & mine & all our) day(s), Sir.
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#1595 June 02, 2024, 04:37:37 AM Last Edit: June 02, 2024, 04:50:12 AM by Eoin McLove
Leaving the controversial nature of Varg's personal life aside and even his huge influence over the subsequent black metal scene, his music stands as timeless and unique. Even among his peers his sound was stripped back and pure. You can hear him finding his feet in the very early stuff, with thrash parts, solos and obvious nods to Bathory littered throughout. Even those parts are made somewhat unique by his howling style of vocals and primitive recording style. But in a very short space of time, and over a small number of releases his sound developed into a manifestation of true vision. Maybe a sound only achievable by a single person with an incredibly vivid vision, maybe only achievable by one of society's legitimate outsiders. His music, though often incredibly simple, is profound. His lyrics are beyond time too. The lyrics to Dunkelheit are stunning, and to consider he wrote them  as a teenager is mind boggling. His music too. It is concise despite being drawn out, it's beautiful and haunting while being raw and ugly. He is a man of paradox who made paradoxical music. His choice of artwork, everything... His best music achieves what all good music hopes to- it stands outside time. And despite a million copycats trying to capture that same magic, and mostly failing (which tells its own story) his music remains untouched and pure.

He always seems to do more with less. I find as well, over time, I'm drawn to different albums by him. That evolution of sound covers various mental states or moods and atmospheres that suit me at different times. Even the prison stuff is growing on me. And I think Belus and Fallen are brilliant as well, and they show some further evolution within his sound.

Where to begin with Burzum? Never listened to them

I've never listened to anything bar the first 4 albums and the Aske EP.  I'd have trouble picking a favourite from Det som engang var, Hvis lyset tar oss and Filosofem and don't think you can go wrong with any of those.   

Debut for me but you'd be as well off working through them in order. There's a notable progression as they go on, Filosofem is a very different beast from the debut.

Hvis Lyset... would be my favourite but they're generally all good up to Filosofem. The last couple are good too but I never got into the prison stuff at all

The prison stuff never did anything for me. But yeah, the first four and Aske are all savage. I really like the post prison metal albums too.

Quote from: The Wretch on June 02, 2024, 05:24:54 PMThe prison stuff never did anything for me. But yeah, the first four and Aske are all savage. I really like the post prison metal albums too.
agree with all except i think Belus is by far the best post prison one. he really did nail some scary vocals on those first few. he said he doesnt like them and much prefers the filosofem vocals. i love both.

Yeah, both are great. The original vocal style suits the early stuff, I think it was perfect for what he was doing at the time, something more conventional wouldn't have been so engaging. And I love the mix of harsh and clean spoken style vocals on Belus.

Sanguisugabogg would be a great band if they didn't have that shit snare sound (and a better drummer overall).

Quote from: The Wretch on June 03, 2024, 08:19:15 PMYeah, both are great. The original vocal style suits the early stuff, I think it was perfect for what he was doing at the time, something more conventional wouldn't have been so engaging. And I love the mix of harsh and clean spoken style vocals on Belus.
yeah, very much agree with that.