The Donald vs Big Tech

[astfgyl]

I'll find the clip, it's actually ridiculous. Also the "illegal" thing is much like what is done here in terms of numbers of lads that are here to contribute nothing at all. It's just a matter of semantics but the reality is still what it is. And trust me, I see some ridiculous shit in my work about how we are having our shit pushed in by chancers as much as I see the doctors and engineers everyone thinks we're getting. Lads coming at me with fake documents and all - the very definition of illegal and yet the stats would say that's not even a thing. I'm sure it's similar in the US

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Again: the human beings he's calling illegal migrants (i.e. criminals) are not illegal migrants (i.e. not criminals). This is intentional rabble rousing and it never ends up in a good place, not in the US, not in Ireland, not anywhere. Excusing it because you're obsessed with both-siding everything is "handicapped"

[astfgyl]

No, taking the far left position on absolutely everything no matter how inexcusable is handicapped. Both siding instead of being drawn into the American style identity politics and suffering from an utter failure to call a spade a spade is definitely not handicapped. If you don't think both sides are handicapped in their own way then I have to question your level of handicap

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I am calling a spade a spade: a legal migrant is a legal migrant. Ergo, a legal migrant is not an illegal migrant. Calling an entire group of legal migrants criminals (by saying they are "illegal") just because you don't think they should have been given legal status is rabble-rousing and dangerous scapegoating (migrants have very, very little to do with the housing problems, cost of living problems, lack of healthcare problems, etc., of the average US citizen), inviting pogrom-style actions which we know certain US citizens (and Irish citizens and British subjects, etc.) are demonstrably capable of.

DNC does exactly the same when it comes to foreign policy ("human shields" etc.), so they're certainly not "better" in any absolute moral sense, but that doesn't make the very, very, very old game MAGA are playing any less obvious. 

[astfgyl]

Honestly, it seems to me that the MAGA crowd are making more sense than the other side, which should be very worrying to people leaning towards socialism such as I do. It's pretend to care about people stuff, pretending by increasing social welfare instead of making work worth going to, pretend to be inclusive about shit like trans and all that but still someone gets paid to transition the poor cunts rather than it being free, it's pretend to save the world from carbon while greenwashing massive profits into the coffers of multinationals, it's pretend to teach kids about inclusive shit while excluding them from ever buying a house in the future. It's pretend leftist shit in the guise of actually caring when it's the most disgraceful type of capitalism imaginable, pretending to care about Ukrainians when the only real care is towards those in the weapons industry and the money they'll make, it's expanding the definition of legal immigrant beyond all common sense.

It's just ridiculous from any angle one wants to look at it from. And here's me, an actual Liberal thinking left leaning regular person looking at how stupid it all is and in disbelief about the wealth transfer and digital prison that has been built and wondering what the fuck is wrong with everyone to take any side of any of it and yet the response is done both sides shit as if one of them is actually good or less murderous or less thieving than the other because of some long lived partisan shite.

I fucking despair

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You mention that you think transitioning should be free as a point against the DNC when Trump, who you say makes "more sense", said that under Harris everyone would get free healthcare...except that he also meant that as a point against the DNC.

Where is the sense there?

[astfgyl]

You think under Harris that they'll all get free health care? Why don't they already have it then? That's only one facet of the absolute diamond of bullshit we all get served up thinking that any government anywhere will do anything for anyone that isn't actually better for themselves than the public.

Take our own shower, raising the dole over and over. The likely reason for that is because it's only the lads on it that have the time to turn up to midweek protests during working hours so if they get the bread and the rest of us get the fuckin circus well we'll be too busy trying to earn the bread to protest about the circus so another few hundred fuel allowance will sort that, whether they use it for hair extensions or not

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Do you think Trump thinks they'll all get free health care under Harris?

[astfgyl]

No I think Trump doesn't give a fuck about anything or anyone as long as he is the winner, much like Harris or Biden or god forbid Hillary Clinton.

None of them are good people

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

But he says it like it would be a bad thing, you say it like it would be a good thing. He definitely wants to limit it, whereas the DNC want to expand it (certainly not enough, etc.). Either way, hard to see how his position here, on a genuinely vital issue, makes "more sense" to you if you lean towards universal healthcare being good.

[astfgyl]

Not a single one of those people actually care about any of the things they have the rest of the world arguing about. They are far too busy making money and power for trivial things like an odd lad turning himself into a caricature of a woman or vice versa.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Yeah grand, they're both awful, political class masqueraders, yadda yadda, with you on that. But you keep insisting Trump makes "more sense" to you than the DNC. I'm trying to get at how exactly that is. What I see is a man who very blatantly states that he's against things that would undoubtedly help the average US citizen (such as expanding free healthcare, just as one example) while just as blatantly trying to convince the same average US citizen that in reality it's immigrants, not billionaire tax evaders like him and Musk, etc., who are the actual source of their day-to-day material woes... such as not being able to afford healthcare. In a nutshell, I do struggle to see to who, among average US citizens, it makes "more sense" to vote for MAGA in these kind of concrete vital terms (e.g. health, food, housing...).

[astfgyl]

There is actually no core difference in the outcome no matter which one of them is right or wrong or telling the truth or not on any given subject. The world is fucked because we can all see that it's fucked and we all just let it happen because we don't know what else to do other than pretend it isn't happening a

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

To the people right down the bottom, it actually does make a difference who is in power or not, even if the rich get richer in both scenarios. As a caricature, there is a difference for workers whether their workplace is Dickensian or Fordist.

[Caomhaoin]

Contender for the most idiotic tweet of the year. She must have been on the nippy sweeties, or maybe she is that thick.

Funding the destruction and relief of Lebanon, and not a mention of the poor bastards in Carolina, who are getting 750 quid after seeing the whole lot evaporate in front of them. Maybe she doesn't want the gig after all.

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