The Donald vs Big Tech

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

That was Senator McCarthy's question during the witch-hunt red-scare hearings of the 50s. I'm indicating, again, that the whole thing is pure propaganda from MAGA and the likes of Musk. Her father was an academic economist who wrote about Marxism, but even he never seems to have advocated any Marxist policies when, for example, he was advising Jamaica on their economy. That's the closest thing I know of that links Harris to Marxism. I wonder how many steps away from Kevin Bacon she is 

[Mooncat]

That was Senator McCarthy's question during the witch-hunt red-scare hearings of the 50s. I'm indicating, again, that the whole thing is pure propaganda from MAGA and the likes of Musk. Her father was an academic economist who wrote about Marxism, but even he never seems to have advocated any Marxist policies when, for example, he was advising Jamaica on their economy. That's the closest thing I know of that links Harris to Marxism. I wonder how many steps away from Kevin Bacon she is 

I feel like the overwhelming majority of people getting their knickers in a twist about communism have little to no idea what it is in the first place, rendering the whole thing moot really...

[astfgyl]

That was Senator McCarthy's question during the witch-hunt red-scare hearings of the 50s. I'm indicating, again, that the whole thing is pure propaganda from MAGA and the likes of Musk. Her father was an academic economist who wrote about Marxism, but even he never seems to have advocated any Marxist policies when, for example, he was advising Jamaica on their economy. That's the closest thing I know of that links Harris to Marxism. I wonder how many steps away from Kevin Bacon she is 

I feel like the overwhelming majority of people getting their knickers in a twist about communism have little to no idea what it is in the first place, rendering the whole thing moot really...

I know what the ideals of it are but it always turns out Animal Farm

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

While we're on Animal Farm, just imagine a world where someone like Trump or Musk would call someone like Harris specifically a Leninist, as opposed to a Marxist or a Communist, and both they and their target audience actually grasped the difference. Now that really is utopian talk!

[Not to say Harris is a Leninist either, though she's certainly significantly closer to that than to a Marxist.]

[astfgyl]

Donald believes its ok to grab pussy but not eat it....or something...

How did I miss that lol   well played!!

[son of the Morrigan]

While we're on Animal Farm, just imagine a world where someone like Trump or Musk would call someone like Harris specifically a Leninist, as opposed to a Marxist or a Communist, and both they and their target audience actually grasped the difference. Now that really is utopian talk!

[Not to say Harris is a Leninist either, though she's certainly significantly closer to that than to a Marxist.]

But surely Lenin was a Marxist, he just wanted to bring about a Marxist society by different means to Marx.
He was a Marxist revolutionary like.
Not looking for an argument here now, just interested in your viewpoint.

[Bürggermeister]

There's nothing wrong with Richard Marx's timeless brand of smooth pop, you fucking philestines.

[Ducky]

I lost faith in Harris after Seventh Son to be honest.

[Mooncat]

That was Senator McCarthy's question during the witch-hunt red-scare hearings of the 50s. I'm indicating, again, that the whole thing is pure propaganda from MAGA and the likes of Musk. Her father was an academic economist who wrote about Marxism, but even he never seems to have advocated any Marxist policies when, for example, he was advising Jamaica on their economy. That's the closest thing I know of that links Harris to Marxism. I wonder how many steps away from Kevin Bacon she is 

I feel like the overwhelming majority of people getting their knickers in a twist about communism have little to no idea what it is in the first place, rendering the whole thing moot really...

I know what the ideals of it are but it always turns out Animal Farm

Same for any social theory really. They're good on paper, then corrupted by people who have the means to.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

But surely Lenin was a Marxist, he just wanted to bring about a Marxist society by different means to Marx.
He was a Marxist revolutionary like.
Not looking for an argument here now, just interested in your viewpoint.

It comes down to the same kind of question as whether you believe someone who forces others to be Christians on pain of death or persecution can still be truly considered a follower of the Christ of the gospels. Lenin's authoritarian vanguard concept was so thoroughly contrary to Marxism that it could (in my opinion and that of many of his contemporary critics) no more have brought about a Marxist society than the Spanish Inquisition could have installed the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Ironically, in the same work where Lenin first conceptualized the imo anti-Marxist vanguard concept, he also disparagingly called people like Eduard Bernstein "revisionists" of Marxism, presumably because the latter wanted to move socialism in an even more democratic and reformist direction which would make it more difficult to weaponize, i.e. away from the Marxist fixation on revolutionary class struggle.

[astfgyl]

[son of the Morrigan]

But surely Lenin was a Marxist, he just wanted to bring about a Marxist society by different means to Marx.
He was a Marxist revolutionary like.
Not looking for an argument here now, just interested in your viewpoint.

It comes down to the same kind of question as whether you believe someone who forces others to be Christians on pain of death or persecution can still be truly considered a follower of the Christ of the gospels. Lenin's authoritarian vanguard concept was so thoroughly contrary to Marxism that it could (in my opinion and that of many of his contemporary critics) no more have brought about a Marxist society than the Spanish Inquisition could have installed the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Ironically, in the same work where Lenin first conceptualized the imo anti-Marxist vanguard concept, he also disparagingly called people like Eduard Bernstein "revisionists" of Marxism, presumably because the latter wanted to move socialism in an even more democratic and reformist direction which would make it more difficult to weaponize, i.e. away from the Marxist fixation on revolutionary class struggle.

Ah I can see your point there man and it seems reasonable.
Its a bit like (but not really) Capitalists demanding equality, Or a ruling party removing an opposition party from the ballot to "save democracy". Contradictions in terms.

[Eoin McLove]

Uncle Don must be feeling desperate after that last debate getting someone else to take a pop at him!

[astfgyl]

Came across this beaut on twitter. Anyone remember the "Up The Arse Corner" from Viz?     

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

No low too low:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1840118070037361072