Coronavirus

[Giggles]

Wow that unvaccinated bubble is very small in comparison.

It's almost as if all the perfectly healthy young people with no underlying conditions, that would have been in the unvaccinated bubble by default, were somehow coerced into an injection they don't need, as they will never end up in ICU. And now they're literally inflating the vaccinated bubble and it all seems more impressive than it should be.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There's no data to suggest that perfectly healthy young people with no underlying conditions and young people with underlying conditions are not proportionately spread across the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. In fact, people under 60 are the ones over-represented in the unvaccinated group, since the vaccinated group contains ~100% of adults over 60. I think you're not really making an effort here to entertain the idea that you may need to revise the belief you've come to the table with. Here's the latest vaccination rates by age group:

80+ years
100.0%

70-79 years
100.0%

60-69 years
99.6%

50-59 years
97.8%

25-49 years
85.7%

18-24 years
81.1%

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-tracker-how-many-people-have-been-inoculated-in-ireland-1.4481095

[son of the Morrigan]

Wow that unvaccinated bubble is very small in comparison.

It's almost as if all the perfectly healthy young people with no underlying conditions, that would have been in the unvaccinated bubble by default, were somehow coerced into an injection they don't need, as they will never end up in ICU. And now they're literally inflating the vaccinated bubble and it all seems more impressive than it should be.

Yep, add to that the people in the unvaxed bubble that aren't vaxed due to being immune compromised, who of course have a far higher chance of ending up in ICU at the best of times.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Wow that unvaccinated bubble is very small in comparison.

It's almost as if all the perfectly healthy young people with no underlying conditions, that would have been in the unvaccinated bubble by default, were somehow coerced into an injection they don't need, as they will never end up in ICU. And now they're literally inflating the vaccinated bubble and it all seems more impressive than it should be.

Yep, add to that the people in the unvaxed bubble that aren't vaxed due to being immune compromised, who of course have a far higher chance of ending up in ICU at the best of times.

Again, this cuts both ways; Giggles even leaned on this to try and make one of his earlier points - 98% of vaccinated COVID patients who end up in ICU are immunocompromised in one way or another. So, it still doesn't help to account for the fact that the unvaccinated are massively over-represented in ICU.

[son of the Morrigan]

Wow that unvaccinated bubble is very small in comparison.

It's almost as if all the perfectly healthy young people with no underlying conditions, that would have been in the unvaccinated bubble by default, were somehow coerced into an injection they don't need, as they will never end up in ICU. And now they're literally inflating the vaccinated bubble and it all seems more impressive than it should be.

Yep, add to that the people in the unvaxed bubble that aren't vaxed due to being immune compromised, who of course have a far higher chance of ending up in ICU at the best of times.

Again, this cuts both ways; Giggles even leaned on this to try and make one of his earlier points - 98% of vaccinated COVID patients who end up in ICU are immunocompromised in one way or another. So, it still doesn't help to account for the fact that the unvaccinated are massively over-represented in ICU.

My penis is massively over-represented  in my pants, but of course, I am wearing tiny, tiny pants.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Careful they don't cut off blood supply to the rest of your body; could provoke a stroke. Of one kind or another, ooo-err.

[son of the Morrigan]

Oh you naughty boy.
Incidentally, a great way to increase my chances of getting a stroke would be to get injected with an mrna vaccine, the ladies love it,

[warhead]

A really low percentage of people in Africa are vaccinated, yet, there are almost no newly infected.
My brain is too small to follow what is going on around........

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Don't know the Africa situation so well, but couple of things to think about:

Many African countries can't afford a vaccination programme, and similarly couldn't and can't afford a full testing programme, so most cases are presumed to be going undetected (just checked; only about 1 in 7 estimated to be detected in sub-Saharan Africa).
Average life expectancy across Africa for males is 63 compared to 71 in the rest of the world (~79 in Europe and the US, so compared to us that's a large 16 year difference), so less deaths from COVID "possible" since it most heavily targets ageing populations. Of course, "possible" here has explicitly morbid connotations, so not exactly a good argument to roll out in a kind of, "Africa's doing great!" sense.

[The Butcher]

Exactly - Take Ethiopia for example, haven't even tested 2 million people out of their 110+ million population, initially they were sending samples to South Africa to get tests done. Although that's much improved now (72 labs with a total of 13,000+ tests daily) - the whole continent is weakly equipped to test/vaccinate etc, there is no way you could believe that they have "almost no newly infected." It's not realistic.

[The Butcher]

--duplicate

[open face surgery]

Any indication of an increase in their death rates in general?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You can get lots of info about South Africa, but even that is patchy. Here's a graph comparing excess to confirmed deaths in SA during the crisis:


https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/527774/over-260000-excess-deaths-reported-in-south-africa-since-lockdown-started/amp/

Outside of SA, apart from one or two well-equipped North African nations, confirmed COVID deaths will be even lower, and even the excess death rate will be more of an estimate due simply to higher numbers of undocumented people, etc. Was often same with famines, wars, and so on; how many actually died? Can only estimate.

[Giggles]

"Tens of thousands" protesting in Vienna yesterday
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/thousands-some-from-far-right-groups-protest-in-vienna-against-covid-restrictions-1.4734474

[Caomhaoin]

Just throw in the 'far right' bollox with no follow up whatsoever. Just report the news ye gimps.