The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Puska, as you say astfgyl, is not a typical example. But the case is being instrumentalized as an argument against immigration way beyond the simple material fact that he was an immigrant. It's being used, as hellfire and world-renowned champion of women Conor McGregor are using it, as propaganda for immigration policy change. But in itself it's not a very strong case for this. So we'll just flesh out with distortions that very conveniently corroborate two core anti-immigration arguments: 1) That there are numerous criminals among immigrants and we're just letting them waltz in. 2) That immigrants come here with the aim of welfare scrounging and we let them.

Hellfire laid it out perfectly, but I've seen the arguments on social media too. Puska is an "unemployable Slovakian nonce" who's been on welfare for ten years, supposedly. In reality, he worked before he came and he worked for four years after he arrived, so the immigrant coming here for welfare angle is a stretch, and (a detail admittedly) he's only been on welfare six not ten years. But sure not to worry, this is about goals not facts, and he was a convicted criminal after all. Well, he had some kind of official juvenile warning because he had sex with a girl who was under the legal age while he too was under the legal age. That's the act that becomes "we let in a nonce" and the headlines plaster out "Puska was prosecuted for underage sex in Slovakia," conveniently omitting the detail that would make it plain that he was a juvenile himself at the time and therefore, at the very least, by definition, not a "nonce," whatever you might think about mutually underage sex being a serious criminal offense. Which none of the details indicate it was seen as in Slovakia, including that it may well have only been a caution, hence no record.

None of that grossly exaggerated detail helps with anything except further inflaming anti-immigration rhetoric.

[astfgyl]

It's unfortunate really that the whole situation has gotten to the stage of rhetoric due to mismanagement by the government. There's some reason they have it done so fuckin stupid for sure, probably lining their own and their pals pockets would be my guess. We didn't even need Puska to see it's ridiculous tbf. We have Ukrainians arriving from all over Europe for the Irish treatment and lads from countries not at war coming in on the same rules. I'm sure I've said all this long before Puska was mentioned anywhere.

The lads that are here are here now and we may deal with it but if we don't toughen up a bit on entry requirements it'll only get more ridiculous going forward and we will be a suburb of Africa or the middle East before long. I don't like the whole melting pot of culture being literally foisted upon us all over the country. Villages being overwhelmed with lads who really have nothing to offer except a drain on the welfare system isn't good for integration at all but we only have to go back 3 or 4 years and we had lads from all over the world just not to this crazy degree. Its the scale of it over anything else and outside of social media I don't know anyone who supports it anymore.

I keep saying it that it can be solved and it's terrible that the murder of that girl was what got the discussion out of the far right bracket.

We will have to do a run of "not all immigrants" shirts and an oul hashtag for the lads like the poor fools with the "not all men" ones when it happened. That poor girls murder has been politicised from day one

[hellfire]

Allow me to explain what I meant by unemployable Slovakian nonce.

I have no doubt the poor man had to suffer the indignity of a few days work before retiring permanently on Irish benefits. It was not four years. I've seen nobody in media or otherwise make that claim. The end of this article mentions work in the Czech republic but not in Ireland. The fact that he can't have a conversation of any complexity in English speaks volumes about his commitment to work.

 Irish Times Articke

His infirmity was not so debilitating as to prevent him from chasing down a physically fit young woman, subduing her and murdering her. Never mind the massive sprint away from the scene.

He is Slovakian.

Nonce is a derogatory term for sex offenders in Ireland and the UK. Joseph Puska has publicly stated that he is in fact a sex offender. Take him at his word. Nonce admission

Your commitment to talking shit is admirable. It even extends to defending the most reviled man in Ireland.

[The Butcher]

I don't like the whole melting pot of culture being literally foisted upon us all over the country. Villages being overwhelmed with lads who really have nothing to offer except a drain on the welfare system isn't good for integration at all but we only have to go back 3 or 4 years and we had lads from all over the world just not to this crazy degree. Its the scale of it over anything else and outside of social media I don't know anyone who supports it anymore.

Agreed - we should have as a country a direct say on this in terms of a democratic vote. These villages now have people that can vote in local elections and overwhelm the native population vote to a person of their choosing. That spells disaster to me. Some cultures are just incompatible with Western values and to not have proper checks/balances in place is completely insane and will led to huge changes within a one generation timeframe.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'm not defending Puska at all. I just don't feel the need to make up stuff about him, which wouldn't help me revile him any more anyway since the central act is heinous enough. The point I'm making is that adding in the extra stuff is not aimed at making him a more repugnant figure, but rather at mobilizing arguments against immigration. That is their only purpose.

Puska, we're told, has been in Ireland for 10 years. We are told he suffered an injury in the workplace in 2017 and has been on a disability pension since then. Do the maths. Did he invent his injury? Maybe, who knows, but he worked, we are told, until 2017, having arrived in ~2013.

Nonce means pedophile. I take Brass Eye to be the authority on this, and you're talking nonce-sense

You want to change immigration policy to prevent people "like Puska" getting in. I understand why: it turns out he was or at least became a twisted murderous man. Nobody wants twisted murderous men coming in. But Puska's profile prior to coming in was an able-bodied builder who lost his virginity earlier than Slovakia dictated to be legal, for which he got a caution/probation. You're playing up that offense as part of an argument to change immigration policy. But ironically, Irish prison authorities are playing it down, on the basis that he was a minor, precisely because they don't think he should be transferred to a sex offenders prison.

[hellfire]

I want change immigration policy to prevent other peoples scraps occupying houses and eating up money. Its not like my stance on immigration started with his trial. I'll even admit that filth of his caliber is a rarity. Where did you get the 2017 date from? I literally can't see it anywhere. I will however state again, he would not have been admitted had we only been importing the good and the useful. And I will in no way retract my use of the term unemployable Slovakian nonce.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

It's what he told the guards and confirmed in court. 2013 arrive in Dublin. 2015 move to Tullamore. 2017 injury on the job.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ashling-murphy-trial-live-updates-31342113

I've seen no pushback on this claim, which can be easily verified both by start of invalidity payments and files of GP who prescribed his painkillers. What there is no evidence for is the idea that he was unfit for work prior to or upon arriving, nor rapidly thereafter either. It's a red herring. And a dog whistle. Just like claiming he was a nonce, or even a sex offender. Would you opportunistically consider a gay man arriving from a Muslim country to be a sex offender due to him falling foul of particularities of laws about homosexuality in his home country? Actually, maybe don't answer that. But whatever details the Irish prison authorities have about this "sex offence," they consider it minor. And as I said, ironically I'm sure you agree with their objective in saying that; making sure he doesn't get any kind of special correctional/punitive treatment.

[Snare]

I want change immigration policy to prevent other peoples scraps occupying houses and eating up money... he would not have been admitted had we only been importing the good and the useful.

Yeah tis only Irish wasters that should be taking up houses and eating up money anyway.

That's nonsense about the good and the useful. Fact is we have tens of thousands of Irish that are neither good nor useful, and hence there's a huge demand for construction workers from abroad here as our wasters won't get off their holes. Therefore he'd be brought straight in no problem, regardless of linking child actions to otherwise adult crime.

[Mooncat]

Had absolutely no idea nonce had a sexual connotation, I always thought it was like the English version of eejit! Will have to be careful about using it going forward 

[Carnage]

It's an acronym from Engerlish prisons: not on normal courtyard exercise. The paedos would be let out separately or they'd be rightly fucked.

[hellfire]

I want change immigration policy to prevent other peoples scraps occupying houses and eating up money... he would not have been admitted had we only been importing the good and the useful.

Yeah tis only Irish wasters that should be taking up houses and eating up money anyway.

That's nonsense about the good and the useful. Fact is we have tens of thousands of Irish that are neither good nor useful, and hence there's a huge demand for construction workers from abroad here as our wasters won't get off their holes. Therefore he'd be brought straight in no problem, regardless of linking child actions to otherwise adult crime.

Irish layabouts are an Irish problem, Slovakian layabouts are a Slovakian problem. Because some Irish people are lazy fuckers does that mean we're obliged to cater for other peoples lazy fuckers too?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There's no evidence to even suggest Puska was a lazy fucker or Slovakian laybout prior to or upon arrival in Ireland. That's the red herring. That's the dog whistle. And it's whistling so loudly in your head that it's showing in your reading comprehension.

[hellfire]

Even assuming what you say is true even though no mention of 2017 anywhere apart from something he said to a Garda while in the middle of a lying spree. Even accepting that as true for a moment he hadn't worked since 2017 because of a feigned injury.

You know what both of you are right. Its a good thing he came here. Its no problem he was living in a council house while nurses sleep in cars. Paying benefits for him, his wife and five children was the right thing to do. He was not a nonce, just a hunter of human females. A valuable addition to the fucking country.

[hellfire]

I want in on the stupid. I'm convinced now. Importing hundreds of thousands of people in the middle of a housing crisis was a good move. There are no foreign criminal gangs in Ireland. There are no foreign criminals in Ireland. The very act of moving here bestows people with a virtuosity that couldn't be claimed of Irish people. Nobody moves here for welfare they're just workers who fell on hard times. Some women have penises and mass Islamic immigration has benefited every country it happened to. What shape is the earth in the gospel according to saint Chris? Are we flat or round?

[The Great Cull]

On to another issue that is about the PC brigade but is also metal related...

Stumbled across this crying cunt of an article the other day.

https://www.loudersound.com/features/pantera-phil-anselmo-op-ed-2023

While it has been a couple of decades since Metal Hammer was anything of any merit, I had to chuckle at this writter trying his best to be "woke as fuck".

 "This broad acceptance of Pantera's comeback would be understandable if Anselmo had spent some of the past seven years atoning for his actions. Yet he seemingly hasn't."

Jesus wept...