The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[mickO)))]

This him? https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2023/1023/1412511-activist-courts/

Yeah  he is only in his mid 30's and he looks older than my father. I saw a thing that he is on run now and a bench warrant has been issued.

[astfgyl]

And just like that, it's okay to say the Ukrainians are welfare tourists. Amazing neck from politicians and news outlets to actually pretend they didn't know all along while they called us all the far right for suggesting the obvious reality of what their policies were doing. How did they think they got the fuckin cars over here without passing through any other safe countries.

Anyway none of that will change going forward it's just that there's an election coming and other results from Europe aren't looking good for incumbent parties.

The reasons are many of course and for me I think largely economic but they can't really print any more money or provide economic stimulus after the covid years and whatnot so it's time for pretend populism in a last ditch effort to grab a few votes from those leaning a small bit right of centre (or anything other than extreme left tbh).

Watch those shape-shifting fuckers pretend that somehow now suddenly they have listened to the concerns of the citizens and can actually do something about something when they've actually been telling us all along that it's "International Obligations" that means they have to take any Tom dick or Harry that turns up unannounced and their hands and morals were tied.

Look now though suddenly it's in the mainstream discourse without so much as a mention of the fabled spectre of the far right in this country when in reality that foul spectre has long since been outed scooby doo style as being made up of about 4 unemployed lads in tracksuits who have no hopes of ever achieving anything other than to help the government spin the narrative du jour as suitable. Rent a mob shitehawks fulfilling their obligations.

It's in this thread instead of the fucked one or the peeves one because it's the pretend offence that actually got us to this point of not actually holding the political class to account ever and I see the road to here as having been inevitable once the PC shit and reality squared off against each other because one is a corporate push and the other is just what happens when people realise it's all actually worse for them.

Was anyone offended by the táiniste's comments by the way? I was, but for the sheer brazen insincerity of them.

Look! Suddenly they're all singing off the same sheet. Make me fuckin sick the whole lot..

[astfgyl]

I see Aisling Murphys fella has managed to touch on all of the Far Right talking points without offending anyone on the left, strangely enough.

Even the usually very vocal national news sources are just sort of leaving those bits out.

[ldj]

Read the 'censored' bits there, I get he has a lot of grief but while I agree criminals (especially violent) ones shouldn't be allowed in, any sort of suggestion that immigrants or foreigners are inherently a danger is ridiculous. I don't believe in collective judgement, I found it distasteful when the girl had only been dead a few hours and you had the likes of Ruth Coppinger suggesting Irish men are a danger to women, and I find it equally distasteful when I read about that Irish lad a few weeks ago who livestreamed himself killing his step-mother, and people were practically praying that he was a foreigner.

That sort of demonisation doesn't end at immigrants either, it starts at foreigners, and then it gets directed at people on social welfare, then to people from working class areas, and so on.

[astfgyl]

I don't think he was suggesting at all that foreigners are inherently violent. That would be ridiculous. What he is saying is that this bum got to come here and contribute nothing but had everything handed to him, and he's one of many who are treated that way. I know loads of sound foreign lads around the place and they'd feel just as unhappy at the way things are done because they're working and paying their taxes and contributing in many ways.

That whole argument is easily fixed by authorities having some sort of entry and residency requirements other than turning up and being given everything. The way it is at the moment obviously doesn't work. Instead of shitehawks coming in and sponging like that we could have taken some useful imports in their place. Come here and work by all means I couldn't give a fuck where you're from.

The reason the media somewhat shied away from the comments there (somewhat) is because what it brings up is the obvious problem that we have here but are not seemingly allowed to deal with or properly discuss because of "International Obligations".

His point is fair as I see it. However, I agree that his point has been blown out of all proportion by all of the usual suspects on social media and as you say he has grief so will surely have said anything bad he could think of about the chap.

[91/30]

I don't think he was suggesting at all that foreigners are inherently violent. That would be ridiculous. What he is saying is that this bum got to come here and contribute nothing but had everything handed to him, and he's one of many who are treated that way. I know loads of sound foreign lads around the place and they'd feel just as unhappy at the way things are done because they're working and paying their taxes and contributing in many ways.

That whole argument is easily fixed by authorities having some sort of entry and residency requirements other than turning up and being given everything. The way it is at the moment obviously doesn't work. Instead of shitehawks coming in and sponging like that we could have taken some useful imports in their place. Come here and work by all means I couldn't give a fuck where you're from.

The reason the media somewhat shied away from the comments there (somewhat) is because what it brings up is the obvious problem that we have here but are not seemingly allowed to deal with or properly discuss because of "International Obligations".

His point is fair as I see it. However, I agree that his point has been blown out of all proportion by all of the usual suspects on social media and as you say he has grief so will surely have said anything bad he could think of about the chap.

Agree 100%. The government has failed one of its primary functions, to protest its own people.

Going forward they are going to have to introduce legislation and regulatory changes.

Has the Attorney General and High Court had anything to say about the current set up I wonder?

[hellfire]

The point wasn't about immigrants being violent at all. I think he was more pointing to the sheer ingratitude of Puska who has had his entire family supported by the Irish taxpayer for a decade to repay that with raping and murdering one. He also questioned the sanity of bringing on other peoples criminals.

[91/30]

To answer my own question (and after a bit of googling)

The Immigration, Asylum and Citizenship Bar Association (IACBA) is pleased to announce its upcoming annual conference on Friday, November 24th, 2023. Leading legal experts, judges, and advocates will gather at the Distillery Building in Dublin 7, for a highly anticipated legal conference that will examine and discuss recent developments in asylum cases, changing judicial attitudes on the Irish citizenship regime, and notable European Court of Human Rights case-law. Rossa Fanning SC, Attorney General will lead such conversations as Chair of the conference.

The conference will be followed by a reception in the Sheds, Distillery Building.

Will be interesting to see any glimmer of sense out of that conference.  Some Elements of the Australian immigration system need to be introduced quick smart.

[astfgyl]

That's all that needs to be done is something similar to the Australian idea or Canada where one has to work and not be a criminal to move there. Its just a silly free for all as it is. We have enough degenerates of our own without importing the dregs of other places. It shouldn't even be a hard thing to fix really and doesn't have to be racist or whatever other buzz words are used for reasonable discussion these days

[mickO)))]

That's all that needs to be done is something similar to the Australian idea or Canada where one has to work and not be a criminal to move there. Its just a silly free for all as it is. We have enough degenerates of our own without importing the dregs of other places. It shouldn't even be a hard thing to fix really and doesn't have to be racist or whatever other buzz words are used for reasonable discussion these days

Not much point in doing that when people are being let in with no documents. This has been happening in Canada for the last decade whats going on here. Illegals crossing the border into Quebec because Trudeau gave an open invitation back in 2016. I am just back from Toronto and the place has turned into a complete and utter shithole. It has been a year and a half since I was last there and the difference I noticed this time especially down town was staggering. It looked like when De Niro was driving through the streets of New York in taxi driver.

[astfgyl]

Well to get into ireland one requires a passport to board the flight here, so anyone arriving without them should be put straight back on the next plane to where they arrived from. Simple solution there.

[hellfire]

The obvious answer is to restrict welfare to non citizens who don't have the required stamps built up. Gets rid of the pisstakers without having to inconvenience lads who are working. Deportations are pointless and expensive when you can just remove the incentive to be here.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

A tragic case. Couple of things: Seems pretty weird to be implying that "ingratitude" to a host country is any kind of factor in a deranged individual's decision to murder a random woman. From what I gather, when he arrived in Ireland he worked on building sites for around four years until 2017 when he started claiming a disability pension having, he says, suffered a slipped disc at work. I'm sure the veracity of that claim could be debated (though I haven't seen any evidence that would warrant it), but in general I'd be opposed to introducing any kind of law that would see working immigrants kicked out of the country or financially crippled following disabling injury in the workplace. It may yet be possible to learn something about what led Puska to seek out murder that day. And whatever that might reveal would be of general interest to understanding what leads men, of any nationality, to similar acts. Acts which are very rare, it should be added. Around 90% of murdered women are killed by a man they know. Some right wing agitator was throwing out a statistic the other day that there's been five immigrants who've murdered women in Ireland over the last few years, without mentioning that in four of those cases the woman killed was also an immigrant, notably either the current or ex-partner of the murderer. The murders of those women are no different in nature to the too many annual cases committed by Irish men against their current or ex-partners, most of which we hear little to nothing about.

In short, I don't really see how the immigration angle usefully illuminates anything about Ashling Murphy's tragic murder.

Edit: Just reminded of a mate who's a qualified mechanic, badly threw out his back on the job and has been unable to work for years as a result. An experience which has done him no good psychologically. If there's a dimension of Puska's life in the lead-up to the murder, that might be a good place to start.

[astfgyl]

Those are fair points you've made. The fellas that are here and working shouldn't be punished. The problem is with people getting in. Once they're here and contributing they should have the same rights as I do. Not better not worse just the same. They should have built up some stamps before they get welfare etc, otherwise go back to where they came from and take the welfare there. It's not even a tough problem to solve and take the argument out of really

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

The point of what I laid out there is that the Ashling Murphy case evidently has nothing to do with the "problem of people getting in." Puska came to Ireland able to work and he got to working. So, talk about the case or talk about that problem, but don't mix them up, as they've nothing to do with each other. Her boyfriend gets a pass given the absolute emotional hoop he is surely in.