The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[hellfire]

I think a lot of the argument against him being here was that he was an unemployable Slovakian nonce. Had there been any vetting a prior sex offence and no employment history would have weeded him out.

I'd agree to not use him as a representative of immigrants in general. But I do think that people who come here for welfare should leave.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

He had sex with an underage girl when he was also underage. That didn't make him a "nonce" ffs. Jesus, the likes of you would be locking up teenagers left, right, and centre. Don't know what you mean by "no employment history"; any accounts I've seen say he worked on building sites before and after initially arriving in Ireland.

[Ollkiller]

Immigration on the whole I find been a hugely positive experience for this country. But having checks on people entering the country, re criminal records, especially sexual offences is a no brainer imo. 

[hellfire]

He had sex with an underage girl when he was also underage. That didn't make him a "nonce" ffs. Jesus, the likes of you would be locking up teenagers left, right, and centre. Don't know what you mean by "no employment history"; any accounts I've seen say he worked on building sites before and after initially arriving in Ireland.

Would he have been allowed into America or Australia with such an infraction?

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Well, if you're going to oblige me to go and check:

USA:
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/imm_consequences_of_delinq_3.30.20.pdf

Under federal law, juvenile delinquency is defined as the violation of a law committed by a person prior to their eighteenth birthday which would have been a crime if committed by an adult.
[...] It is well established that a juvenile delinquency adjudication does not constitute a conviction for immigration purposes, regardless of the nature of the offense. In Matter of Devison, the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) reaffirmed its longstanding rule "that juvenile delinquency proceedings are not criminal proceedings, that acts of juvenile delinquency are not crimes, and that findings of juvenile delinquency are not convictions for immigration purposes."

Australia:
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/character/character-requirements-for-australian-citizenship

The spent convictions law allows people with minor convictions to disregard those convictions after a certain period of time.

A conviction may be considered spent if:

    it is 10 years since the date of the conviction (5 years for juvenile offenders), and
    the person was not sentenced to imprisonment for more than 30 months, and
    the person has not re-offended during the 10 year period (5 years for juveniles)

So, yes and yes. Very unsurprisingly.

[hellfire]

From the link you provided for the US have a read down further where it says a crime involving moral turpitude. Sex offences are covered in that definition. They're about as clear as mud, but no nonces need apply.

The Aussie link doesn't seem to have the text you quoted. However I'm pretty sure that sex offences don't constitute a "minor conviction".

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You have to scroll down and expand the Convictions section to see the quoted text.

Regardless of the rest of your scrambling, a nonce is an adult and sex between "consenting" juveniles (as in, not forced, and the sources say there was no such claim) typically is a minor conviction, which would explain why Puska got probation for it. Or not even. Details aren't even clear: "Puska has no previous convictions, although he was cautioned for having sex with an underage girl when he too was below the age of consent in his homeland." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12765023/Ashling-Murphys-murderer-short-circuit-brain-killed-Jozef-Puskas-childhood-friend-speaks-remote-Slovakian-village-killer-left-brutally-stabbing-Irish-primary-teach-death.html

I can see you're really into the nonce word, but I hope you understand that if, for example, you shifted a 14 year old when you were also 14, that doesn't make you a nonce. You can let that guilt go.

[hellfire]

  He's clearly not a lovely chap who accidentally killed a woman for sport. Cut the crap, we both know he wouldn't have made the cut for any country who screens potential citizens. I've seen highly qualified professionals fail to secure working visas to the US. As usual I'm not going to waste the evening on you.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I haven't said he's a lovely chap. He clearly had something seriously wrong with him. He was a person of interest in an assault in Prague, but that went no further. Maybe it was him, maybe it wasn't. Either way, nothing went on his record. Having moved to Ireland already, he was then also a person of interest in an assault in the UK. That also went no further, but, y'know, at this point if you start putting everything together, which no one was in a position to be twigged to, yeah, probably got a dangerous character here.

The standing point is this though: someone under 15 having non-forced sex with someone else under 15 doesn't make either of them a "nonce" and, depending on the actual details, which are unclear, there is no reason for that fact alone to constitute a formal immigration ban. How easy or not it is to secure a visa for a given country is another separate question again. Fackin' hell chap.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'm not among them, as I was no riper than 18 first time I had sex, but I'm sure there's lads reading you here thinking, "Jaysus, thank fuck this lad isn't making the laws! I'd be in for it for life after what me and Una got up to round the back of the school disco in third year!"

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD! 

[91/30]

I think a lot of the argument against him being here was that he was an unemployable Slovakian nonce. Had there been any vetting a prior sex offence and no employment history would have weeded him out.

I'd agree to not use him as a representative of immigrants in general. But I do think that people who come here for welfare should leave.

A Slovakian Roma, a gypsy.  Ireland has plenty of experience of these hard working, honest tax payers.
He'd be still digging footings but for the unfortunate work accident.  Didn't stop him riding around on his bicycle anyway.

I read his legal team are trying to get him incarcerated in the sex offenders prison, he's not too keen on Mountjoy. 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Cycling is one of the recommended activities for slipped disc    Carry on lads, just make the world anew from scratch with your invented facts.

All I'm saying is that there was nothing in this lads profile prior to him arriving that would have flagged him as an undesirable, barring the kind of draconian measures hellfire is suggesting, according to which half of the lads I know are "nonces" because they had sex before the legal age of consent in Ireland. Ludicrous nonsense.

[astfgyl]

Look lad, I know Romanian lads that would say the same about the roma lads. It's well known the carry on. You can pretend it's all fair enough etc and I do think that one bad egg like that shouldn't tar all the rest with the same brush. There's many many decent lads from all over the world living here and are actually contributing too but we are such a soft touch that it's an international joke. I get that you live out of the country and as much as it pains me to say it, you'd be the sort of lad that we'd happily take were you from somewhere else  .

You can't take a place like this and throw unlimited cultures at it to the extent that there's no integration and then hope for the best with the social order and that everyone will be happy.

Some of the things I could tell here from where I work but I can't because I don't talk about work online in general but fuck me you don't know the half of the carry on and it's all since the Ukrainian floodgates were opened. Funny thing is, you'd hardly notice the Ukrainians and the few of them I know are actually sound enough lads but whatever loophole was opened for them has us over a barrel for every tom dick and Harry chancer from any part of the third world.

And look, I say things because I don't think it's right and i know nothing the government ever do is for the good of the Irish anymore and it's blatant but I've rang the garda station to speak to the chap from ipas in favour of a Zimbabwean person who I had the chance to help and I did help them when they were up against it and i had no reason to other than humanity. I'm not a total cunt and I could see this person was trying hard and working and contributing their tax same as myself and there's nothing wrong with that but there's going too far with one's kindness and there's a load of cunts we've gotten along with the rest so of something isn't sorted we may say good luck to whatever we all thought ireland ever was.

Treasure ireland isn't a made up term by the Irish either. It all needs tightening up big time.

Puska is not a typical example but the point made about him isn't a new one and needs fixing. Most of what we have are not actually refugees.

If in doubt, see Ukrainians going home for Christmas. If you go home for Christmas you are not a refugee and should fucking stay there or apply to come back in the regular non refugee fashion, with a job or a college place.

[The Butcher]

They can also vote in next years elections ->
https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1726656117449875854

"Everyone resident in Ireland can vote in Local Elections, regardless of nationality or visa status."