Are we all fucked?

[Eoin McLove]

I think the issue is one of cause and effect. There are big changes that need to happen but they all come with a more immediate cost and probably not to us sitting comfortably in the west. Eradicating the use of fossil fuels tomorrow would be fantastic for the atmosphere and even our own well being, but where does it leave developing countries who rely on them too and have no alternatives in place? There's an argument that the west should make these changes while allowing the poorer nations to catch up to us, and that might well mean they have to use the same means as we have used for 150 years. I suppose the hope would be that when we figure out how to harness energy in a fast effective and renewable way we would then share that technology with those countries... but sure... money and power,  bro!

[leatherface]

To quote George Carlin in his bit about the planet:

"The planet is fine, the people are fucked"

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Re third world, etc., interesting comparison graphic of CO2 production according to bottom 50%, average, and top 10% of population by wealth and by nation:
https://twitter.com/GerryHassan/status/1456709246721171458

Note particularly that the bottom 50% per household average in the US is greater than the top 10% per household average in China.

[The Butcher]

Saw one of the targets for us was 1 million EVs by 2030. That's roughly half the fleet now?  That would mean most cars sold if not all sold between now and then would need to be electric. We know what will happen once petrol and diesel cars die off (tax cliff) so obviously electric cars will eventually go up via tax or income tax will go up but a tax somewhere will have to make up for it.

I was hopeful about when solar panels are combined with improved battery tech that would mean selling back to grid etc but I see in Oz once enough people have home generation they wont be able to sell back to the grid - talking here about CHARGING people for generating extra solar, all because the big electricity players are crying about their plants having to shut down for a few hours at times because there is no demand for them/not enough profits ->

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/australians-with-rooftop-solar-charged-export-electricity-grid/100026336
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-03-30/solar-power-electricity-should-owners-pay-to-supply-grid/100035198

[The Butcher]

Here we are: https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/

It's a long read but it's good food for thought. It's also 20 years old so interesting to wonder how things have moved on since then, or not.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/29/yeah-were-spooked-ai-starting-to-have-big-real-world-impact-says-expert?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

[Cosmic_Equilibrium]

All this eco friendly, sustainability, renewable energy talk is fine but it's meaningless unless countries invest in nuclear power in a serious way. If you want to curb emissions while keeping civilization on the road it's the only game in town.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-cant-solve-climate-change-without-nuclear-power/

And we need to drive for fusion as well, never mind the naysayers, the prize is too great (and too urgently needed) not to pass up on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

[Eoin McLove]

Nuclear needs to somehow rebrand itself for the masses to consider it. There's so much fear around it but by all accounts it really does seem to be the only option. Maybe in time wind, water and solar energy technology will reach a standard that it can replace nuclear, but if we are as short on time as the experts say, then we don't really have time to keep burning fossil fuels while we get that end of things right.

I've no idea about fusion or its side effects.

[Caomhaoin]

Fusion, in theory, would create energy without the nasty secondary effects of fission, but there is no breakthrough on how to perform it without consuming more energy than is generated. That's a primary school précis, I'll leave it to the boys in the know to expand on it.

[Eoin McLove]

Well that sounds like a fundamental fuck up 

[Kurt Cocaine]

Cucklife 101.....

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2021/1112/1259424-virtue-club/

[Eoin McLove]

It's a real pity they are forcing you at gunpoint to go to this club, the commie scum. Oh no, look at that- it's not mandatory! What a relief.

[Kurt Cocaine]

Sex and fighting is always better after 20 pints...

[Nixer]

Lads I know I'm a bit late to the party here but trust me climate change is a load of bollox.

There was fucking ice age before and there was no pollution then.

But if I am wrong, my carbon footprint is fuck all anyway so I take no blame. It's all China and India's fault anyway.

Just my two cents.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

But if I am wrong, my carbon footprint is fuck all anyway so I take no blame. It's all China and India's fault anyway.

Re third world, etc., interesting comparison graphic of CO2 production according to bottom 50%, average, and top 10% of population by wealth and by nation:
https://twitter.com/GerryHassan/status/1456709246721171458

Note particularly that the bottom 50% per household average in the US is greater than the top 10% per household average in China.

As to whether we are all fucked, well, clearly the powers that be really are taking the absolute piss: COP28 to be held in the heart of the very symbol of resource mismanagement; Dubai/UAE.
https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/dubai-ruler-says-uae-host-cop28-climate-conference-2023-2021-11-11/

[Kurt Cocaine]

To the OP: yes, yes we are....

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/science-health/954749/first-woman-in-the-world-diagnosed-with-climate-change