Random Thoughts

[astfgyl]

Anyone reckon that the natural language spoken by someone influences their sense of self? Like if one was of the "I said" persuasion rather than the "said I" one? Was thinking about the Irish vs the English language and the Irish puts the self after the thing you've done but the English places the self right at the start before you've done anything. Those are obviously only two examples but ones I'd be most familiar with and I'm thinking along the lines of what effect the commonly spoken language has or doesn't have on the national tendencies of a population, whether to approach things from a position of dominance or subservience depending on where the self appears in the order of things.

And then if one learns a new language, can that affect their perception of self as a result?

[astfgyl]

That's it, I've finally filled every board without a single response.

[StoutAndAle]

Anyone reckon that the natural language spoken by someone influences their sense of self? Like if one was of the "I said" persuasion rather than the "said I" one? Was thinking about the Irish vs the English language and the Irish puts the self after the thing you've done but the English places the self right at the start before you've done anything. Those are obviously only two examples but ones I'd be most familiar with and I'm thinking along the lines of what effect the commonly spoken language has or doesn't have on the national tendencies of a population, whether to approach things from a position of dominance or subservience depending on where the self appears in the order of things.

And then if one learns a new language, can that affect their perception of self as a result?

I'm not clever enough to get into an in-depth discussion on this - but, like every thick cunt going, I'll still wade in with my thoughts.

As an Irish person who grew up speaking English (like most of us) with working class grandparents, from an under-educated area of Cork - my default mode is to go with "says I". However - being fortunate enough to grow up with parents and an uncle who prized reading and the quality of language skills (probably in their efforts to rise in station if not class from their own parents) that I also learned when and where to use things like "I said".

Perhaps it's because Ireland and the Irish had its language taken away from us that we, in an act of defiance, made English more elastic thank its native speakers.

There's something beautiful about the way Flann O'Brien, Brendan Behan, James Joyce even Roddy Doyle take the words of the English language and bend them so that their meaning can be the same but different or totally different.

I also speak German fairly fluently and some Danish. I was told by a colleague of mine who is from Berlin but works at our Munich office that I speak German perfectly but, in casual conversation, it's in the style and rhythm of a Bavarian farmer - that it is totally devoid of any sense of self or personality compared to when I speak in English.

So maybe when one is learning a new language - the format is that of the lowly educated or underclass perhaps because it is easier. 

[astfgyl]

I often find myself thinking that as the English foisted the language on our forebears that we have the right to fuck with it as we wish.

And we really do

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

So what you're saying is, the worster someone's use of proper English, the better? 

Glad to see you've come around so; stooping to policing how someone has been raised to employ language is never a good look.

[astfgyl]

So what you're saying is, the worster someone's use of proper English, the better? 

Glad to see you've come around so; stooping to policing how someone has been raised to employ language is never a good look.

  

Good strike!

However she was raised though, she was still talking shite as she regularly does.

[astfgyl]

Computer games.

This one came to me while I was having a crack at mirrors edge 2 there a few minutes ago.

So gaming is fun, like lots of other things. We can probably all agree on that.

Thinking about how graphical improvements over the years have made games more immersive an experience by dint of their apparent realism, saying it's far better to score a real looking goal with the little celebration dance or whatever or far better to set a lad on fire when he looks like he really doesn't like it rather than some c64 shit where he looks like he doesn't care if he lives or dies yknow the buzz anyway.

Now, with the advent of hyperrealism in gaming and the potential damage that the well documented addictive nature of something like that potentially has for interpersonal relationships going into the future, should we draw a line somewhere and where might we draw such a line? Should we limit the development of the thing so that the graphical improvements never get good enough to convince anyone that it's actual reality? That's one option.
Should we let it be developed to its most realistic possible outcome so that people can replace their sad lives with it and potentially have a happier existence than they might even possibly have, perhaps even a humanitarian solution when looked at it that way, but not disregarding the potential for the fact that it might ruin the otherwise potential-carrying lives of people who could perhaps have done far better in the perceived real world without this so maybe allow the thing to improve but limit the time that one might be allowed in to experience the false reality?
Next would the best thing to do be to allow both things to happen, ie let games get more and more real until anyone who wishes to do so may live out their days in the games of the future and those who wish not to can do other stuff in the real world?

Like would it be right for us to create basically the matrix and give people the freedom to opt out? Sounds good but then the lads who are stuck with the vr headsets on would be at the absolute mercy of those who were not and then rakes of other dilemmas are raised with either answer but of course there's no absolute answer to any of that because.....

The answer is usually to be found in the common ground and even at that it is never terribly well defined.

Fun times

[The Butcher]

Should we let it be developed to its most realistic possible outcome

Like would it be right for us to create basically the matrix and give people the freedom to opt out?

It won't be computer games people will be talking about - it will be trying to determine the authenticity of video/audio, deep fakes of politicians as an example, we'll get to a point of no return and if we think fake news is bad now, it's only going to get much much worse. At least when we are about to pop our clogs, someone will have redone the entire last 2 seasons of Game Of Thrones for us and done it some justice     

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

ChatGOT

[Giggles]

someone will have redone the entire last 2 seasons of Game Of Thrones for us and done it some justice   

If recent porn search trends are anything to go by, then you'd best believe that in the future we'll be able to climb a virtual tower and admire Jamie Lanister fucking his sister 

[astfgyl]

The redone last 2 seasons does sound rather enticing!    The deepfakes thing is definitely going to cause a lot of shit going forward too. Could be already happening for all we know

[ochoill]

Twitter is already fucked to death with deepfaked videos so yeah it is already happening.

[astfgyl]

Twitter is already fucked to death with deepfaked videos so yeah it is already happening.

https://twitter.com/okeefe_reborn/status/1634728696060977153?t=nbKFle6ftRMWy1WfvTVdQw&s=19

Look on

Edit: hopefully it just stays in the porn industry from here in because it has too much potential to hurt people when it gets outside of that

[Trev]

Noticed a load of young lads lately with a moustache. Not sure if there's some sort of early Movember thing going on or if they're back in fashion

[astfgyl]

Noticed a load of young lads lately with a moustache. Not sure if there's some sort of early Movember thing going on or if they're back in fashion

Yeah they can keep that wherever they put the low cut necks for men. Perhaps a union of the two might be at the cutting edge before we know it